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Massawyrm thinks he might kinda like Daniel Craig as Bond if he can get over how awesome QUANTUM OF SOLACE is!!!

Hola all. Massawyrm here. Daniel Craig IS James Bond. No, that’s not a statement of fact for those five people still living under a rock that haven’t heard about Casino Royale. Nor is it some kitschy cool intro to a faux trailer to get you all ramped up. No. It is my new answer to that age old question “Who is your favorite James Bond?” Look, I love the living hell out of Connery and I pretty much grew up on Roger Moore’s campy take on the character. But no one, NO ONE has brought the depth, cool callousness and sheer brutality to Bond that Craig does. He’s the James Bond we’ve been waiting for. And his two films with the mantle have rebooted the series in a way we’ve wanted for quite some time. Oh, and while I’m talking about how ridiculously cool Daniel Craig is, I might as well mention how positively awesome Quantum of Solace is. Picking up right where the last film left off, Bond is still embroiled in an international plot involving La Chiffre’s boss, the money man ultimately behind the death of his girlfriend. The film explodes into a frenetic, Bourne Supremacy style car chase that then sets the mood for the pacing of the entire film – and then it’s off to effectively continue the story. One could easily sit down and watch this back to back with Casino Royale and find the experience more of one extended story than two individual episodic ones like previous Bond films. But that’s not to say that the films lack differences. They are, to a certain extent, VERY different – it is just that they are consistent enough in all the right places to make them perfect companions. All of the major complaints people had about the last film are gone entirely. There’s zero card playing, the action beats happen much faster, there’s no sappy love story and most important of all, there is no mysterious fourth act that springs up just when you think the movie is over and done with. No, Quantum of Solace is a fast paced action packed Bond film that actually feels very familiar. Almost too familiar in fact. If Quantum has one flaw, it is this: it is identical in structure and feel to the Bourne Identity series. From the brutal fights in confined spaces, to the rapid cutting – right on down to the ACTION SCENE followed by five minutes of plot that gets interrupted by an ACTION SCENE followed by five minutes of exposition interrupted once again by ANOTHER ACTION SCENE and now we’re running through the streets of some distant locale. This breathless, never bored for a second action style isn’t just reminiscent of Bourne, in one scene it seems directly inspired by it. Personally I don’t think that’s a bad thing. The worst Bond films are the ones that suffer the crime of being dull – and even the harshest critics won’t be able to say that here. Instead they might try to invoke the old ADD Editing defense – and they wouldn’t exactly be off the mark. But if this film was only about Bond on the run like Bourne, then it might be worth taking the piss out of it for the comparison. But it isn’t. In fact there are three very distinct things they are doing with the franchise that I am whole heartedly in love with. First and foremost, they are seriously developing the relationship between M (Judi Dench) and Bond. Those playful moments tempered with seriousness get further attention here as M has to deal with a loose cannon and Bond continues being Bond. Secondly, and very much tied into the first, is Bond’s penchant for killing rather than subduing his foes. Long a cliché parodied for decades, here they’ve turned it not into a glorification of violence, but into something of a handicap. Bond kills without thought, and that fact leaves him with few clues and even fewer friends. The tension during scenes with M every time she gets a report of another corpse-of-interest begins first as comic relief only to gradually build to a frothing boil. There comes a point when you begin to wince at Bond’s violent streak, if only because you know he should probably ask the guy a few questions before putting a knife in his neck and throwing him off of a roof. And finally, one of the greatest elements of the new Bond is the fact that this is one continuing story with simply a number of radically different missions. Quantum of Solace has a resolution, but Bond never single-handedly brings down a multi-nation criminal organization. There’s no big round-up or magical island raid to wrap things up neatly. If you’re paying attention you’ll notice that there’s more to do and while it doesn’t end on a cliffhanger (nor leaves you wanting), you have a very solid idea of what the third film will no doubt be about – if only somewhat. Chock full of plenty of inventive scenes, great dialog and a couple of “oh fuuuuuh-ck meee” moments, Quantum of Solace is every bit the Bond movie it should be. It is fun without ever being goofy and thrilling without loading up on cheap gags. Director Marc Forster, one of the most diverse directors working today, has picked up where Martin Campbell left off and continued to let James Bond evolve without sacrificing the fun that goes with him. Sure Bond is still the cocksure, brazen misogynist we’ve all come to know and love. They’ve just made it believable. He’s not a Saturday morning cartoon anymore. Those days are gone. I love those old movies. They are very much a wonderful product of their time. But times have changed. And it was time for a new, improved Bond. Daniel Craig is that Bond. And after Quantum of Solace he is officially my favorite. Until next time friends, smoke ‘em if ya got ‘em. Massawyrm
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  • Oct. 31, 2008, 9:55 a.m. CST

    praying the first one wasnt a fluke

    by mygirleatsbannanas

    Daniel Craig is the best bond since Connery

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 9:56 a.m. CST


    by my liege

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 9:56 a.m. CST

    sounds kinda good

    by Rupee88

    the love story in the first one was a needless distraction. Give us hot chicks, but Bond should bang them and not fall for them. He should be smarter and tougher than that.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Craig is a great Bond

    by Droid

    That is all.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 9:58 a.m. CST

    I can't wait to see this movie

    by rodnunley

    With Craig's first go at the franchise I really felt like all my hopes of what a Bond movie could be were coming true. If they managed to improve on that first film at all I can't imagine it not being anything less than the best Bond movie ever. I think Craig is by far the best Bond. And I hope to god he keeps at these movies for a long time to come.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 10 a.m. CST


    by onaps6453

    The "needless distraction" in Casino Royale is the very thing that makes James Bond what he becomes... It's called story. Look into it.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 10:02 a.m. CST


    by NateWave

    I think the love story in Casino Royale was there to build character... It sort of explains why Bond is such a misogynist.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 10:03 a.m. CST


    by NateWave

    Yeah, what onaps6453 said.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Fuck yes!

    by Stuntcock Mike

    2 weeks to go.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Fuck yes. Finally something to be pumped for!


    This looks bad ass. And I love the theme song.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Theme Song

    by rodnunley

    The new theme song has got to be in the top five for best Bond songs. Just a bad ass tune for a bad ass Bond.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 10:08 a.m. CST

    yeah its very good


    Right there next to Goldeneye and Diamonds Are Forever for me.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 10:11 a.m. CST

    I think this is the FIRST positive review I've read

    by tylerzero

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 10:11 a.m. CST

    All the stuff that those anonymous people were complaining...

    by rbatty024

    about, were some of the things that made the first film great. I liked the card playing. I also liked the fourth act a lot. It was very ballsy film making to move away from the basic action film story structure. <p> After Connery's films, the franchise has always seemed hallow. Sure, there were a couple of movies I kind of liked, but not full heartedly. That finally changed with Casino Royale. Craig is easily number 2, and we'll see if he can best Connery.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 10:11 a.m. CST

    This review made my day.

    by Angry Mike

    When the third one comes out, you just might be able to make an argument for it being the best trilogy of all time.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 10:14 a.m. CST

    card playing in Casino...


    That is the one thing in that film that annoyed the fuck out of me. Far too much time spent on the card game. But then again-- I hate playing cards and I hate watching people play cards even more. And I thought it was goofy as shit they made it Texas Hold 'Em. Just out of place. <p> Quantum-- no card games = FLAWLESS FILM

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 10:15 a.m. CST

    don't really fancy the Bourne comparison....


    I find those films repetitive and full. And Craig would rip Matt Damon's fucking head off with his bare hands.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 10:15 a.m. CST

    I meant DULL not FULL


  • Oct. 31, 2008, 10:16 a.m. CST

    But is it still a Bond film?

    by Seacor

    Massawyrm, With the lack of style, glamor, humor, bond music, gadgetry, Q, moneypenny, witty one-liners, characterization, gunbarrel missing at beginning of film... the question I have for you is this... With all the changes they have made to the Bond world, is this really still a James Bond film? Could you put any other action star in the title role and remove the name of James Bond and have the film play just like any other action film?

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 10:16 a.m. CST

    "Major complaints" about CASINO ROYALE?

    by LoneGun

    Personally, I loved all the card playing in CASINO ROYALE. There was a lot of drama in those scenes. And Bond's exceptional poker skills are why he even gets his mission. (In the book, the card game was Baccarat.) I think it would have been less compelling to watch Bond go from one action sequence to another. Also, the love story wasn't "sappy" but quite essential to the film. Her betrayal and demise makes him a harder, colder agent at the end. Anyway, I am heartened by this review and really looking forward to QUANTUM OF SOLACE.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 10:17 a.m. CST

    I completely agree that Casino Royale is much better...

    by rbatty024

    than the Bourne movies. I enjoyed them as stripped down action films, but they didn't take the same chances that Casino Royale did. Likewise, the films didn't reap the same rewards.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 10:23 a.m. CST


    by robamenta

    casino rayale was sooooooooo boring. it barely even resembled a james bnd movie ive never understood why people want a gritier james bond..i love all the gadgets etc

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 10:26 a.m. CST

    I'll see it in 1 hour (Europe)

    by no-no

    I was able to wait for the 5th showing (as it started at 9.30 this morning) but I can't wait anymore! Thanks for the review, it got me pumped.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Holy Smokes Massawyrm!

    by Darth_Kaos

    Now you really got me fired up to see this joint! Craig is slowly becoming my favorite Bond, and from this review it seems he will become my favorite after I see the movie. <br><br> My fears are now set aside in regards to Marc Foster taking hold of this movie. My favorite Bond Movies are -GoldenEye - Live and Let Die - But I have a feeling this one's going to replace one of them.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 10:32 a.m. CST


    by jamestewart007

    I'll be pissed if you're full of it. This review made all my bad feelings for this movie go away and now I'm really looking forward to it. I cringed when Forester said he tried to put the humor back in Bond. And all I could think was a Roger Moore movie with brutal action. And Robamenta, people like CR because it what Bond is really like. He is just a guy who can take more of a beating than any other guy and shoot a gun damn well. Add in a little luck and a couple of women (far fewer than you would think!), and you have Ian Flemming's James Bond.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 10:32 a.m. CST


    by nathan0774

    I wold just like to say that the Bourne movies stole most of it's action from early Bond movies and what the film makers thought was missing from Bond movies. Either way Bourne is simply a rip off of Bond! Sean Connery's Bond had plenty of fighting in confined spaces!!

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Complaints about CR

    by rogueleader66

    Ok, I kinda get why people were complaining about the love story in CR, but, this is essential to the character, the fact that Vesper is killed is probably why he becomes a guy who just wants to bang chicks and toss them aside when he is done, with them. It seems logical that this is why he is the way he is, he doesn't want to feel the pain of lost love like he did in CR, so he becomes a player. Rock on 007!!!! Cannot wait to see Quantam, it's gonna rock. Visit my blog-

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Craig is the definitive 007

    by sarajevobot

    He plays the character closest to the way he's portrayed in the Fleming books. Connery's a blast as Bond but ya gotta remember that the Bond movies were, at the time, considered almost an Austin Powers-style parody of Fleming's books. Dalton was the first guy to play the character straight, but those movies weren't that great and Dalton didn't have the frightening charisma needed to pull off a literally interpretation of the character and still make it fun to watch. Craig does, and Casino Royale had a great tone and some of the best action I've seen in I-don't-know-how-long. I'm leery about this new one, but I hope it's good, because Casino Royale was freakin' awesome. It honestly was the Bond movie we'd been waitin' fer....

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 10:33 a.m. CST

    you are pushing things a bit much....

    by j2talk

    each time an actor takes over as Bond people have said that X IS Bond...and people by into it for a bit...then given time the Truth will out...Connery-the classic Bond, in the end his Bond came off as a bit of a thug, all brawn no brain, Moore-Smart but a bit Prissy, never really seemed to have any muscle and needed the gadgets to make up for it, Lazenby-ok, didn't really get the chance to make his mark, Dalton- stiff and a bit wooden in the role, Brosnan-right mix brawn and brains-good start,let down by unmemorable villains, Craig, back to Connery's thug, but lacking the charisma,humor and style of the original, both films while good action movies lack the key elements of the Bond Franchise..a BOND for the Bourne Generation....

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 10:34 a.m. CST

    I was getting worried...

    by photoboy

    ... that all the action scenes in the trailer plus all the reviews talking about the action scenes that this film would be a return to the excesses of the Brosnan era, with its invisible cars and CGI tidal wave surfing. <br><br> Although I liked the pacing of Casino Royale, had no problem with the tense card game or the love story. So hopefully they haven't moved so far from the feel of CR that it's lost what I liked about it.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Casino Royale definitely had pacing issues.


    It's nice to hear that this one doesn't, but I'm so used to Bond movies being too long. That's part of their charm. I'm sure I'll love this anyway.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 10:35 a.m. CST

    Casino Royale was a snore fest

    by ArcadianDS

    The bad guy was stolen right out of Inspector Gadget, and please somebody tell me how they were gripping the armrests when that bearded guy was giving an audio sample from Poker for Dummies at the bar.<p> "oooooooh, there are three spades on the table! ooooooh. If he has two more, then he probably wins. How riveting!" *zzzzzzzzzzzz*

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 10:35 a.m. CST

    Bourne didn't invent fighting in confined spaces....

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD don't act like Bond is stealing from Bourne now. You see the fight on the train in From Russia With Love, Massa? Confined and violent as fuck.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 10:36 a.m. CST

    PS: nuts are showing from under your skirt, queer.

    by ArcadianDS

    just an fyi

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 10:37 a.m. CST

    the problem with the card playing

    by rodnunley

    The problem wasn't that he played cards ... it shouldn't have been Texas Hold'Em. The whole point of him being used (in the book) is that not many people can play (and even fewer are good at playing)Baccarat. M didn't want to use him ... she had too. And the card scenes in the movie were shot so that a mentally challenged 5 year old would understand them. "oh ... he went all in. He could loose everything." Ugh. Just poorly executed poker playing scenes.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 10:37 a.m. CST



    Thats an interesting observation. I've thought about this as well. How much can you remove from it and change it before it becomes an entirely different franchise, and not Bond at all?

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Comparison to Bourne

    by The_Bat

    Am I the only one that thought the Bourne movies were silly and overated? I think that Greengrass has an eye but the plots are irrelevent in those films. This very structure that Wym is talking about is the reason I find then tedious and actually makes me nervous for SOLACE. I hope that the Bond script is smarter and ANY of the Bourne films. I love Craig and want to see him on screen more often.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 10:39 a.m. CST

    I just got excited for this.

    by HoboCode

    Unleash the Bond.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 10:41 a.m. CST



    I totally agree. They were fun the first time but I have no desire to ever see them again.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Bourne had some good action, but...

    by rbatty024

    for the most part the films were disposable. This doesn't mean I didn't enjoy them, but they all kind of blend together after a while. They should probably stop while they're ahead with just three movies.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Nothing says plot twist

    by ArcadianDS

    like someone faking their 'tell' at a poker table. Oooooooooh, so clever.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 10:44 a.m. CST

    will the whinging twats from

    by Gabba-UK

    please stand up so we can properly humiliate the stupid tits!!! Saw it this morning and saying it's not as good as Royale is like saying vanilla ice cream is not as good as chocolate ice cream. They're two different flavours but they're both still ice cream..... and bloody good at that!!

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 10:44 a.m. CST

    I have not seen Casino Royal


    count me as number 5. Don't know why I have not seen it.. But at the same time I'm not really into bond. Goldeneye was the last one I enjoyed. Sean Bean mostly... I won't go out of my way to see this one either. changed the channel when watching the last Bourne Film. Fucking boring..

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Dracula, you should give it a try.

    by rbatty024

    I agree that Bond has mostly sucked for decades, but Casino Royale is not just a good Bond film, it's a flat out damn good film. If you like action movies you will like Casino Royale.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 10:51 a.m. CST


    by maddox

    "it is identical in structure and feel to the Bourne Identity series"<p>Well, that's where I stopped reading. That's all you had to say to guarantee this film is not going to be better than Casino Royale.<p>...and I thought the card playing, love story, and mysterious 4th act in CR was awesome. Obviously I don't know any better.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 10:53 a.m. CST

    I hate the shakycam and strobe editing of Bourne.

    by Mr Nicholas

    Why did they have to cross-pollenate? Bond is not Bourne. Everything is more elaborate. I enjoy the fight and stunt sequences of a Bond movie, but Bourne's sort of filming and editing will just ruin them.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 10:55 a.m. CST

    P Diddy is Bond


    Take That, Take That, Take That, Take That, Take That, Take That, Take That, Take That, Take That, Take That, Take That. <P> It's All About The Pentiums Baby!

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 11 a.m. CST

    I'm down

    by ballyhoo

    Can't wait for QOS.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 11:01 a.m. CST

    So glad we can say there's a BOND better than CONNERY.

    by Yotz Von Frelnik

    I agree that Connery rocks all and owns much, but geez, I've been so sick of the idea for so long that NOT liking Connery makes you a heathen in the way that not liking modern war makes you unpatriotic.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Glad to hear a positive review

    by Raymar

    Most have been lukewarm so far.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Before Goldeneye my last favorite bond was


    Roger Moores A View Too Kill. Duran Duran Opening Song, Mr Bean cameo. That She-Man Vamp, Demolition Man Music video, Boomerang- pussy, pussy, pussy pusssssssssssssieeee and fucking Christopher "Needs More Cowbell- I haven't killed anybody since 1984" Walken.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Real Bond

    by DaKnifeOrDaGun

    Even if you aren't a Bond fan you have to give it to Craig for putting his all into the Bond character. Hell he does most of his own stunts which adds a seemless quality to many of the action scenes. You know thats him taking that fall and it does catch your breath. It doesnt matter that Bond may have borrowed from The Bourne movies. It's a form of flattery. Bourne was inspired from Bond and now it's returning the favor. Times change movies evolve. It's pretty remarkable that a franchise this old still has legs and can continue to give the new action genres a run for the money. Cheers to you Craig. Keep it going. When you leave the franchise people will be bitching how YOU can't be replaced.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Son of a bitch!

    by John Maddening

    Why the hell do we have to wait until November 7th in the US?<br> <br> Should have been released on November 007th, just like V FOR VENDETTA should have come out on November 5th!

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 11:25 a.m. CST



    Man, who the fuck doesn't like that rockin' Duran Duran song? I forgot about that. That one is my all time favorite. Greatest fucking chorus ever! <p><p> <p> Until we dance into the fire <p> That fatal kiss is all we need <p> Dance into the fire, <p> To fatal sounds of broken dreams <p>

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 11:26 a.m. CST


    by frankenfickle

    i'm there, and i'm buying it when it comes out too. twice maybe.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 11:26 a.m. CST

    I'd take Casino Royale over any Bond since Spy Who

    by Stuntcock Mike

    Loved Me.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 11:28 a.m. CST

    The Spy Who Loved Me...

    by The_Bat

    Is the best Bond song. I don't even remember the Duran Duran song. And I was there when they burnt SF city hall for the film.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 11:32 a.m. CST

    If you don't like bond...

    by mighty boosh

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Bourne now = Flint then

    by g-ride9000

    Look there will always be the Saints, Flints, Bournes and Spy games. There is but one bond..and he can be played by and bad ass with a posh accent. The fact is some have played him better, and he is the arctype for all other spys in the movies. It's about how all these copycat movies are or aren't like bond. Are any of them as good as the best bond films? NO<P><P>You can stop giving every intelligent person on the internet the idea that you are a complete chode. How? Stop comparing Bourne to Bond.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 11:48 a.m. CST

    BNAT 10?

    by The_Bat

    I love discussing Bond but where is the BNAT X list?

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 11:55 a.m. CST

    A solid idea...

    by Embeedeuce

    ...if only somewhat. Sharp writing, my brother.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 11:59 a.m. CST

    The Saint


    I'm the only guy on the planet that liked the Val Kilmer movie. I always wanted a sequel. They need to restart that series. Very interesting character.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Not that good. Sorry.

    by King_Knut

    Saw it earlier today at the Phoenix in Oxford. I suppose the best word to describe it would be "directionless". Marc Forster was a poor choice of director, tantamount to Fox's misstep of hiring Jeunet for Alien 4. Sure, Dan Bradley handles the action fairly well, but you've stopped caring by half an hour in. Leiter might as well not be in the movie, Mathis' involvement feels completely contradictory to his part in the previous film, and Gemma Arterton ought to be court martialled and shot for crimes against acting. Amalric does okay as Greene, although he is really given absolutely nothing of any significance to build any threat into his character. SPOILERS: The movie utterly failed to go in the ghostly direction many fans were hoping it might, and it doesn't seem to leave any doors wide open for a sequel in the same way as Casino Royale did. OK, White's still alive, but who gives a fuck any more? This film did nothing whatsoever to advance the franchise or plotlines.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Couldn't disagree more

    by Dr Gregory House

    I usually dig the hell out of Massawyrm's reviews and opinions, but not in this case.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 12:23 p.m. CST

    The film is a mess

    by migmog

    You guys will have to wait 2 weeks for it. We will all still pay our money- it's Bond but nothing to savour here. Shame- feels abit like a Fox Senior Management guy walked in half way through the movie and said no more money until you put my daughter in it. \I hope the Directors Cut will show the "direction"

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 12:23 p.m. CST

    by migmog

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 12:28 p.m. CST

    Danny |Glovers

    by migmog

    hmmm the smell of fresh green leaves rising from the earth via a strong stalk PLA.....SURELY NOT mixed with a MTv attention span!!-have we seen the same movie or are you just easily pleased? Perhaps you are the Villain of the third film - either way enquiring minds need to know?lol

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 12:29 p.m. CST


    by codymr

    I'm a HUGE Bond fan even if many of the films are hit and miss, but... <P> What's with the hate for the Bourne movies. I thought they were great and when the first one came out, I thought to myself "it would have been great if they made a Bond film this way". If I remember there was a lot of speculation at the time if Brosnan would return and I think there was even a rumour that a one shot was being looked at where they would make Bond retro. <P> Anyway, I think there is a direct connection to the Bourne series (in feature films) and 24 (on TV) and the rethink of the look and feel of Bond for CR. And it worked: Brosnan's Bond films were successful and made money, but they were not blockbusters. All things point to QOS being a huge hit... at this point I'd say the film is almost critic proof.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 12:32 p.m. CST


    by codymr

    Really? That is shitty.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 12:36 p.m. CST


    by migmog

    The hatred as you call it is rather like those who love the Fantastic Four Comic and hope for a faithful and quality big screen translation, looking over at "The Incredibles" and thinking we have been out done here. Bourne inspired Bond to raise it's game and it's ok to like both folks - I do-lol

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Don't be afraid to slap a "Spoiler" band around this topic

    by Cletus Van Damme

    for those of us that want to stay pure.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 12:43 p.m. CST


    by King_Knut

    Yup. I dunno, it opened well, with a great driving sequence, but then the much-talked about White interrogation sequence was cut short by more unnecessary action just when it looked like it was going to get interesting. That affliction curses most of the film - whenever anything threatens to become interesting, along comes another explosion/chase/fight. One of the nicer, if slightly arty, beats in the movie is the gunfight/chase that intercuts with an opera performance, all scored by the opera itself. Reminded me of the Pyramids sequence from The Spy Who Loved Me.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 12:43 p.m. CST

    I never understood, "Fuck Me..."

    by sott68

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 12:44 p.m. CST

    I never understood, "Fuck Me..."

    by sott68

    Does that mean you want to be fucked? Fuck, I am stupid, so go ahead and F me. does it mean You are gay, Fuck me... Someone explain!

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Fuck me...

    by just pillow talk

    me neither.<p>I'm psyched to see this now, as it seems to be getting more good buzz now. And I loved Casino Royale, and the 4th act was necessary in the grand scheme of the Bond universe to further understand his distancing from women and more of the cold hearted bastard he is.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Danny Glover 2

    by migmog

    Clearly Goldfinger is the best theme song Thunderball is up there too. A View to A Kill is ok but it is of its time where as the above two are timeless. T|hey have higher production values. John Barry is on record as saying that Tom Jones passed out having delivered that final note in Thunderball - that's why it's on my list

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 12:56 p.m. CST

    baccarat vs texas hold-em

    by drave117

    I always thought it was utterly stupid that baccarat was used as the game in the book, because baccarat isn't actually a game of skill. That's the whole point of it. It's a dick-waving exercise, where rich people show off how much money they can risk on a bet that has roughly the same odds as a coin toss, and just as much control over the outcome. At least Texas Hold-Em actually involves strategy and people-reading skill rather than pure luck. I have no problem with them changing which game Bond is good at, because it isn't actually possible to be good at baccarat.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Tom Jones passed out....


    ...not just because of the final note-- but because of the fact he just finished up eating the asshole of 12 Swedish chicks before crawling into the recording booth.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 1:10 p.m. CST



    I'm with you on Thunderball-- because Tom Jones and his chest hair are all sorts of bad ass. But Shirley's vocals on Goldfinger really fucking annoy me. Diamonds is far superior.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Texas Hold 'EM


    Just dates the film with this current Poker watching generation of young kids thinking they gots all the skills from watching the fucking Discovery Channel Poker shows. Its fucking annoying. I can give a shit what game it was. But Texas Hold 'Em is just cheesy. Why not make it something exotic sounding at least?

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Generic is the new ground-breaking!

    by Spandau Belly

    Alright! Another Bond movie that just cuts and pastes from everything else on the market! I hate the distinct flavour of those "old" movies! I'm so glad that whole era of personality is done! Originality sucks, I hope they let the dude who does Family Guy direct the next Bond flick and we can finally kill off anything that aids in identifying Bond from any other movie.<br><br>But what's with the original theme song? Couldn't they just remix The Dark Knight's score and get Nelly to rap over it? Since the rest of this movie sounds generic and forgetable, I'm going to let that whole original theme song thing slip as a mild infraction, but in the future try to keep that stuff under control, guys.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 1:17 p.m. CST

    I loved The Saint too!

    by abovo

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Spandau Belly -- I think I understand what you're saying....


    Willow is the greatest film of all time, and Tarantino needs to felate the barrel of a shotgun. Got it!

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Massa, Craig is great, but Connery is best because

    by toadkillerdog

    He combined all the elements of the Bond character into one seemless package. In the Sixties, Bond was suave, debonair, worldy, witty and deadly, and with Connery at the helm, you easily believed that he could make love to a woman one minute and klll that same woman the very next if duty called. And it did. And he did. Connery could do it all, was asked to do it all, and as much as I like Craig (he is my second favorite already moving ahead of Lazenby) he does not possess the charm or wit that Connery had. Craig is a great brutal Bond. But Bond is more than a killing machine. Bond is iconic because of what Connery invested in him. From the cars to the tuxes. From the casinos to the carribean. From the brutal beatdowns to the beautiful women. Connery will always reign supreme. There really is no comparison. It is not even close.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 1:24 p.m. CST

    no, no, no Danny...

    by just pillow talk

    He's not only saying that Willow is the greatest film of all time, but that Warwick Davis is the best actor of past, present, and future.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 1:26 p.m. CST


    by The InSneider

    That's because the movie really isn't very good and I'm kinda shocked at the enthusiasm on display here. Trust me, this is a MAJOR letdown from Casino Royale in every conceivable way. An undeniable disappointment and a huge step backwards for the franchise. It has more in common with Brosnan's Bond movies than CR. Can't believe anyone in their right mind would call it awesome. Check out Devin's review at Chud for a more reliable take on the film. Sorry, Massa. Agree to disagree on this one, BIG time.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Warwick Davis should've been the new Nick Nack

    by Spandau Belly

    And Quentin Tarantino can play Scaramanga as a more muttering chatterbox.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Hey, I liked the card playing

    by Freakemovie

    Card playing and Bond go together. That was one of the things that made Casino Royale feel vintage and new at the same time.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 1:34 p.m. CST

    I liked the Saint as well.

    by HoboCode

    Good flick.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 1:35 p.m. CST

    DANNY, cut it out man!

    by Stuntcock Mike

    I'm trying to eat my fucking lunch over here. Your Tom Jones talk is making me choke on my chicken fingers.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 1:41 p.m. CST

    I agree Freakmovie

    by toadkillerdog

    The card scene was great. It is what makes Bond who he is, and not simply a retrofitted Bourne.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Any "Q"?

    by BizarroJerry

    I'm just curios if there's any "Q" character to speak of yet? I realize we have yet to see him because they don't want to turn this into silly gadget movies, but spies really do have some cool shit to play with. A scene with "the quartermaster" doesn't have to be silly.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Bond is not a misogynist

    by Rupee88

    He doesn't hate women. So he f*cks a lot hot does that make him a woman hater?!...some of you are messed up in the head.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Spandau Belly

    by Rupee88

    Yeah good shows how sad things have become that I don't even have any hopes for a good story in this film. That is just too much to ask for these days. But I only go to the theater two or three times a year, so I am not the target demo.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 1:52 p.m. CST

    when people say misogynist...

    by BizarroJerry

    at least in Jimmy Bond's case, they mean he uses 'em and walks away when ever he feels like it. Granted, that's really more of a womanizer, I guess. Cuz he doesn't mistreat them. He just often dismisses them. Though he treated Vesper well in Casino Royale.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 1:54 p.m. CST


    by MamoVaka

    misogynist's have sex with women all the time.. it has nothing to do with their level of respect or hate towards women in general.. As a matter of fact they use sex as a weapon against the women they hate so quite often.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 1:54 p.m. CST


    by MamoVaka

    misogynist's have sex with women all the time.. it has nothing to do with their level of respect or hate towards women in general.. As a matter of fact they use sex as a weapon against the women they hate so quite often.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Wait no gun barrel sequence???

    by TylerDurden3395

    It's absence was forgivable in Casino Royale (although we kinda/sorta got one, but not in the traditional sense) but there better be one in QOS.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Lest we forget

    by peter skellen

    This site gave Die Another Day a similar rave back in 2002. I saw QOS this afternoon and it's a plotless 100 minute action film that will give you a headache and have you looking at your watch after half an hour. Not quite as bad as 007 Magazine's Editor Graham Rye's 1/10 verdict, and incidently Rye has forgotten more about Bond than anyone here will ever know, but a loud mess of a film that, a la the third act of Brozzer's films, throws endless generic second-unit action at the screen to mask having no story. Daniel Craig is depressingly one-note and about as much fun as a knee in the groin after a hernia operation. He is truly THE Bond for fifteen year-olds who hate James Bond films and like using the word 'Badass' a lot. To repeat myself, the Bond of the books dislikes killing but will do so if ordered. He isn't f*****g Jason Statham. Contempt for the gunbarrel and the James Bond theme adds to the generic feel.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 2:16 p.m. CST


    by codymr

    ***SPOILER*** <P> I've read that the gun barrel sequence happens at the end of the film for some inexplicable reason.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Craig promises Q and Moneypenny next time!

    by IAmMrMonkey!

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 2:27 p.m. CST

    I guess that the reason the gunbarrel (SPOILER)...

    by IAmMrMonkey!

    ..occurs at the end is to show that he has finally become the Bond we all know. That would make perfect sense I think

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 2:29 p.m. CST


    by TylerDurden3395

    I thought that him saying "Bond... James Bond" at the end of Casino Royale was to show he had become the Bond we all know.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 2:30 p.m. CST

    I guess he should say, Bournde. Jameson Bourne.

    by TylerDurden3395

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 2:34 p.m. CST


    by codymr

    Oh... very clever. That never occurred to me. <P> Thx Mr Monkey!

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 2:39 p.m. CST

    The Boring Supremacy

    by fitzcarraldo2

    When I heard how good the Bourne films were I hired the DVDs. What a load of cak! Jason Boring. Zero personality, zero interst, just running around and fighting. Did anyone care aboout Jason Boring and why he was always running around and fighting? Yes, many of the scenes were well done but were reminiscent of the brutal (for the time) Bond/Red Grant fight in From Russia With Love.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 2:42 p.m. CST

    I've never seen Supremacy or Ultimatum

    by TylerDurden3395

    The first one didn't do anything for me so I stopped watching them. It's weird though how I'll stop watching the Bourne movies one the first one, but I will sit down and watch every single Leprechaun sequel that comes down the chute.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Gun barrel's at the end. Personally I loved QoS.

    by Novaman5000

    It was great. Great action, great characters (though villain is kind of weak), just alot of fun.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 2:48 p.m. CST

    No sappy love story? It's already less than Casino Royale.

    by Sith Witch

    I'm of the opinion that Bond adventures should have even less over-the-top action and instead dig deeper into what makes Bond tick. When Fleming wrote his novels, he included pages of description on Bond's idiosyncratic hygiene, his creature comforts, his ritualistic-yet-practical routines in solitude. I love all those "down-beats" because they make the big stuff seem that much bigger when it arrives. If we're climaxing every five minutes then I can tell I'll very quickly become desensitized to it. If only Kubrick had made a Bond film...

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Daniel Craig IS NOT James Bond

    by Damage_Inc

    'Nuff said.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 3:16 p.m. CST


    by IAmMrMonkey!

    It would make sense as this is a continuation of CR and, from what I've read in the various reviews, he's still in the process of "becoming" Bond. It's the only reason I can think of as to why they would do it.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Rupee88 - better late than never....


    You're right. That was a crap relationship handled poorly. That movie is waaaaay overrated. Then again, welcome to the world of Bond.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Did I watch different Bourne movies?

    by I Hope You Die

    All these reviews keep saying Quantum is non-stop action "like the Bourne movies." Yet the Bounre movies I saw were non-stop brooding and phone conversations occasionally intercut with frenetically filmed scenes of going to a train station or meeting someone in a public place. That's not action. Moreover, the only bad part of Casino Royale was that the action sequences went too long, all the card playing and the love story were done to perfection.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Actually Daniel Craig IS James Bond

    by IAmMrMonkey!

    It says so in the credits for Casino Royale and Quantum Of Solace according to IMDB.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Fitzcarraldo2 - How dare you lie!


    You know you couldn't even see what was going on in the 2nd and 3rd Bourne movies! So don't tell me they were boring! Boring? What the fuck were we even watching?!

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 3:24 p.m. CST

    I can't be the only one who loves Bourne AND Bond?

    by IAmMrMonkey!

    I keep reading negative feedback about Bourne on these Talkbacks with people making statements about why one franchise is better than the other.<p>I love Bond but I also thought the Bourne movies were great - it's one of very few film franchises that managed to make an almost flawless trilogy in my eyes (in fact, I prefer the third movie to the first which is a rarity for movies and me). Each of those movies was fantastic and there were some great sequences in there, from the thrilling car chase in Moscow to the brilliant sequence at the train station where Bourne is trying to manoeuvre both himself and Simon Ross (Paddy Considine) to safety.<p>But that's just my opinion.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 3:31 p.m. CST

    IAmMrMonkey! Your not. I love both as well.

    by Stuntcock Mike

    Bond is not Bourne. Bourne is not Bond. XXX is not good.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Bond vs. Red Grant in the train compartment

    by NoodlesHahn

    in From Russia With Love is my favorite hand-to-hand fight scene in the entire franchise. Fighting in confined spaces has always been a Bond thing. Can't wait for Quantum of Solace.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Bourne was looking for his identity

    by skimn

    Bond is always in denial of his identity. Well kind of. How many times has he gone "rogue"??

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Bond song: the great, cool and the feh

    by crankyoldguy

    John Barry theme, entire Dr. No soundtrack ("underneath the mango tree....") and of course, Shirley Bassey (three, count 'em, three great theme songs) all rule #1. But also cool: Tom Jones Matt Munro Nancy Sinatra Macca and Wings Okay at best: Lulu Rita Coolidge Then, pretty good were: Carly Duran Duran and even Sheena Easton Terrible: Tina Turner (not her, the song) Sheryl Crow (ditto) Madonna (she's terrible half the time w/ 'her own' music Ah-Ha (Oh no) Gladys Knight Chris "has always been way, way over-rated" Cornell. We'll see about Jack and Alicia.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 3:59 p.m. CST

    fuck Bourne...


    ...I can't stand the fucking character. They are well made films and the fights are fun. But fuck Matt Damon, and fuck that mopey ass pussy character. I could really give a shit if he walked into a room 10 minutes and someone shot him in the temple -- ROLL CREDITS. I really had no emotional connection to anyone in those films. Thats the difference.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 4:01 p.m. CST

    and if they can't get Shirley Bassey again

    by crankyoldguy

    maybe Amy Winehouse if she's still out of rehab, since she copped a good part of vocal style from Bassey anyway.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 4:02 p.m. CST


    by NoodlesHahn

    Next time I'll read the TB before posting. I defer to DGDB who mentioned From Russia With Love at 10:35:57 AM.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Bond would mop up Bourne

    by crankyoldguy

    easily, even the Roger Moore Bond. Connery, Dalton and Brosnan would take him out quickly and then go have sex with the appealing Julie Stiles and Joan Allen together.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 4:06 p.m. CST

    critics are morons this is the best movie of the year

    by earlfist

    just got back from a screening. Firstly, I couldn't agree more with the review. I personally think this pisses all over casino. The whole movie is like one extended pre credits sequence. Imagine a that has that and some blackest of black humour. Craig is an animal. Short, tight and awesome. Bloated box office action fests beware. This is how it's. Done. Minor gripes. One character dies too early and it's hardly from Russia plot wise. DANIEL CRAIG IS JAMES BOND.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 4:10 p.m. CST

    NoodlesHahn -- best fight ever....


    sloppy and raw as fuck.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Yeah this film...

    by davebaxter1989 fantastic. Saw it tonight (Britain) feels good to get it first.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Re: From Russia train fight

    by skimn

    And to top it off, it was Connery fighting Robert "fucking Quint" Shaw, looking built like a brick shithouse. CLASSIC

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 4:29 p.m. CST

    relationship between M and Bond

    by Cedar_Room

    in the novels - it develops it a lot further and the bond they share (no pun intended) is quite substantial and has never really been explored in the films. I like that they are playing this up - it adds a lot more depth than having M as Bond's surrogate father forver telling him off like a naughty schoolboy. When you're constantly dealing with death, and putting people into harms way - you would develop something deeper than most casual work colleagues so it seems only natural that the relationship between the two is an important one TO THEM. All in all, its things like this which really show character development in the Bond reboot and make me very thankful they've gone in this direction. Can't wait to see QOS now.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 4:33 p.m. CST

    More "Bond fighting in a confined space" scenes...

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    Roger Moore and the hook-handed dude in Live & Let Die and Moore vs. Richard Kiel's Jaws (EEGAH!) in The Spy Who Loved Me...both of which share the weird distinction of being in train compartments, like Connery vs. Robert Shaw From Russia With Love.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Also forgot to mention...

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    ...Connery fighting that guy in the elevator in Diamonds Are Forever (the ONLY decent scene in that movie).

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 4:36 p.m. CST


    by NoodlesHahn

    Absolutely. It didn't rely on choreography or editing, just two cold-blooded assassins doing their job using their environment in a natural way. Reading your comments about the characters Bond and Bourne I tend to agree with you. Bourne is pretty much Brosnan's Bond. Highly capable but too sensitive to really survive more than a couple missions. I'd love to see an action star without a conscience again. I hope Craig makes a hundred Bond films.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 4:37 p.m. CST

    Connery is the best

    by Prossor

    agreed with what toadkillerdog said. Craig may have all the realism to him, the humanity and all that stuff, but agree or not his performance is itself influenced by waaay too many factors, by Connery, Fleming, Bourne, and he ties it all up but still doesn't nail the right balance (lacking natural charm/smoothness) the fact is it doesn't ring true as Connery who did it his OWN way, it's that weird singularity of Connery's Bond where he absolutely said "fuck it" and just didn't act but played himself which comes off the screen so effortless, his own tough life beforehand and personally being smoothed over by the bon vivant director Terence Young pretty much made him a living breathing incarnation of the character. Even to this day Connery is a total smooth gentleman from that experience. It's the brilliance of his contrast, he melts the ladies but can do a 180 and use them as human shields a true sonovabitch. The fact he's so smooth and dapper increases the effect of his brutality. Craig is brutal all the time which deludes the effect, the same thing with Dalton who acted pissy and grim all the time but sitll doesn't seem as tough as Connery or even Lazenby.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 4:42 p.m. CST

    can someone tell me about the opening

    by IndyAbbey Jones

    do we get the gun barrell opening and is the cold opening done royale lacked that, i hated the gun barrel after the should be the first thing we see in a bond movie after the MGM how is the soundtrack, CR didn't use the bond theme enough in my opinion

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 4:47 p.m. CST


    by skimn

    You have to give Diamonds credit for Natalie's sis Lana Wood's onscreen appearance, with her special attributes.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 5:20 p.m. CST

    I know Lazenby gets a lot of crap for IHMSS

    by skimn

    But I rewatched it this past weekend, and though he and "Kojak as Blofeld" are the weakest links, it still has some great skiing stuntwork and the ending never fails to get me teared up.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 5:30 p.m. CST

    thats nice, now somebody make a BOND film...

    by j2talk

    can we get a Bond film, now that they are done "reimagining" things for the new millennium....

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 5:40 p.m. CST

    I saw it

    by vadakinX

    I saw it. I reviewed it. I gave it a 4 out of 10...very disappointing.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 5:40 p.m. CST

    @ angry mike...

    by jason baum

    best trilogy of all time?! dude, come on. i'll just throw out lord of the rings and wook's revenge trilogy off the top of my head - both easily beat this series. yes it is an amazing series, but not the best ever.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Remember kids:

    by JumpinJehosaphat

    Every movie made sucks. Nothing is ever good ever ever, and I'm here in the talkbacks to yell my fool head off about it!

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 5:53 p.m. CST


    by codymr


  • Oct. 31, 2008, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Fighting in confined spaces

    by Massawyrm 1

    Once you guys see the film you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. It isn't the FACT that they are fighting in a confined space - it is the way the fight progresses and is handled. It all should look very familiar and the comparison will be self evident. I in no way believe or intimate that this is a creation of the Bourne series. Just that the way it is handled here is borrowed from Bourne.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 6:18 p.m. CST

    Does he sit in a shower and suck on a chick's fingers?

    by Snake Foreskin

    'Cause nothing says mysoginistic, cold-blooded killer better than a dude sitting in a shower, sopping wet in a tux, sucking the blood off some bitch's digits. You think Snake would've done that pussified shit? No! For one, because he didn't want to get his mullet all watered-down! James Bond is a pansy and you know it! Although I suppose he is pretty tough for a British guy.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 6:18 p.m. CST

    What about farting in confined spaces?


    A favorite of mine during the holiday season.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 6:21 p.m. CST

    Snake Foreskin


    After all the McCain racism against Asians going around-- I swear to Christ I thought your title read "Does he sit in a shower and suck on a chink's finger." Needless to say I just spit my skittle. Fuck...last red one.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 6:24 p.m. CST

    I just can't say he's better than Connery

    by br1947

    I can't, but Casino Royale was damn, DAMN good. Never liked Moore or any of the others, just Connery, but Craig has definately knocked it out of the park. As far as I'm concerned, there are TWO James Bonds. What I'd love to see in the next one is Connery in a cameo role talking about his days as 007, basically revealing 'James Bond' as a codename that has been passed like a torch.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 7:15 p.m. CST


    by Earthquake WestCoast

    Q could easily work. It would bring some much needed humor. They can do it so it's not cheesy, but actually fun. And the gadgets could work too. Look at THE DARK KNIGHT. Batman used gadgets in a cool way. You know that MI6 has cool tech, along with other nation agencies. They can bring John Cleese back as Q, this would lighten Daniel Craig's bond up a little. After all, isn't he human? doesn't he feel emotion such as anger, love, sadness, and laughter? We've seen all the other emotions except the more light hearted side of him. If Bond is always a dark, depressing guy in all his films, then it's going to get old quick. THE OTHER BOND FILMS ARE CLASSICS UP TO THIS DAY. BECAUSE BOND WAS A LIKEABLE CHARACTER THAT PEOPLE CARED ABOUT. Craig is a good Bond, but I'm afraid if we don't see the lighter side of him soon in the third film, then people are going to get bored. DARK FILMS are the in thing now, can only remain in the dark for so long before the light comes in.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 7:27 p.m. CST


    by tubuku69

    Anyone into Star Wars check out my fire sale on ebay-getting rid of everything to try and pay the bills-bargain basement pricing but every penny counts in these dark times...

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 7:31 p.m. CST

    Earthquake Westcoast

    by odo19

    Craig said Q would be in the next Bond. Someone up there had the link. I'm going to go ahead and say it should be played by Hugh Laurie, if for no other reason then that it will insure that he will always be able to get work.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 7:32 p.m. CST

    But who would play Q?

    by IAmMrMonkey!

    It's a shame that they already managed to waste John Cleese. He would have been great.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 7:33 p.m. CST

    Yeah, here's where Craig talks about Q and Moneypenny

    by IAmMrMonkey!

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 7:38 p.m. CST


    by odo19

    Actually now that I think about it. Maybe it should be Ian McKellan.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 7:55 p.m. CST

    There was always a Bond better than Connery...

    by workshed

    ...and he was called George Lazenby - the Bond Lovers' Bond. O.H.M.S.S. has never, repeat NEVER, been topped. Best Bond, best tunes, best Bond girl (Rigg), best 'mountain lair' and the best car/chases/baddie/plot etc etc etc. Now leave it out..!

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 7:59 p.m. CST

    The Problem With...

    by codymr

    Q & Money Penny is that they appeared in nearly EVERY film even if the story didn't demand it (although Q never did show up in Live & Let Die). An occasional cameo once in a while works well, but sometimes it brought the pacing of the Bond films to a complete stop. sometimes less is more.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Pacing Issues? FOURTH ACT?

    by captain_kirk

    You know, one of the coolest parts of that movie was that we're in a position where we expect some type of closure and watch as Bond is totally f*cked over while in a state of lessened sharpness. I agree it was an odd moment, but it was a great finish to the movie.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Simon Pegg as Q.

    by captain_kirk

    Why the f*ck not? Make Q more pissy.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 8:43 p.m. CST

    Gary Oldman as Q

    by Seacor

    He mentioned it an interview a few months ago that he would jump at that opportunity if it presented itself.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 8:55 p.m. CST


    by codymr

    Oldman as Q would be brilliant casting! He can play it quirky or straight. It never would have occurred to me to cast him in the role.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 9:04 p.m. CST

    Oldman as Q...

    by captain_kirk

    Great if he's Oldman from True Romance

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 9:05 p.m. CST

    Oldman as Q...

    by captain_kirk

    Great if he's Oldman from True Romance

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 9:08 p.m. CST

    Next Baddie: Ian McKellan

    by captain_kirk

    Perhaps he could develop some type of electronic, no electromagnetic...magnetic device. And they could call him: Man-gnet.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 9:33 p.m. CST


    by codymr

    That is the funniest fuckn' thing I've heard all day. Thx

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Wrong wrong wrong: Bond was not inexperienced in CR

    by kabong

    "why people were complaining about the love story in CR, but, this is essential to the character, the fact that Vesper is killed is probably why he becomes a guy who just wants to bang chicks and toss them aside when he is done, with them. It seems logical that this is why he is the way he is, he doesn't want to feel the pain of lost love like he did in CR, so he becomes a player <p> <P> Bond, in the novel, was a "player" before he met Vesper. Bond was more mad at himself for not realizing she was a Smersh infiltrator, but that the fault of the Head of the Soviet Desk, who directed her. <P> There was no great poker in CR. Bond got a lucky draw. <p> Quantum is the other part of CR, apparently, the part with all the good Bond stuff -- I hope.

  • Oct. 31, 2008, 10:58 p.m. CST

    Hugh Laurie as Q is a GREAT idea

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    And it wouldn't even interfere with his House gig because he could probably knock off a Q scene in one or two days. Also have a new M in the next film who introduces Bond to "my new secretary, Miss Moneypenny". But who to play a secretly besotted, mousy-yet-appealing Moneypenny?

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 12:35 a.m. CST

    David Tennant as Q.

    by thedarklinglord

    Since he's not going to be Dr. Who anymore. He wouldn't quite have the cranky, stiff, seriousness of Desmond Llewelyn, but he can play serious, even dire, when needs be. Plus, he can definitely come across as a slightly hyperactive, somewhat eccentric, imaginative fellow who clearly loves his work at crafting creative gizmos and gadgets - the sort of chap who's maybe just a bit too unpredictable and unhinged for field work, and thus his talents are put to better use in a laboratory.

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 4:11 a.m. CST

    Saw it last night and was a little disappointed

    by Mr Writer

    Great opening title sequence and the song actually works in context, action-packed from the first minute to the last, super stylish, and extremely fast-paced, I also liked the "new" Spectre in the form of Quantum. BUT there was definitely something missing. It lacked the emotional resonance of Casino Royale and the script was so stripped down that at times it revealed the plot to be extremely flimsy. If the action sequences borrowed heavily from Bourne's car chases, hand-to-hand fights and rooftop battles, the scriptwriters seemed to follow Ultimatum's "make it up as you go along" style plot. You can get away with a flimsy plot is the character development is strong, but there just wasn't enough here. Bond has very few introspective moments and his relationship with M ends just as it started. As with Casino Royale she inexplicably loses faith in him in the middle of the movie then does a U-turn at the end. Bond too isn't particularly changed by the end of the movie either. Sure he's learned a couple of new things, but I didn't really buy the revelation about Vesper and he certainly doesn't have any closure. And while this may be intentional its as unsatisfying for the audience as it is for Bond. And while most of the action is spectacular the end seemed to come too soon and felt a bit anti-climatic. I was definitely disappointed by the reveal of Dominic Greene's masterplan too. Even by Bond standards it was not only silly, which is forgivable, but unfortunately slightly dull. The Bond girls were pretty and stylish, fun at times, but overall a little shallow, which pretty much sums up my thoughts on the movie. It was Bond. It was action-packed. And I enjoyed it. But there was something hollow about it.

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 4:23 a.m. CST

    Oldman & Laurie

    by DiamondJoe

    Jesus, that's a couple of fucking great shouts for Q - take a bow gentlemen. With either of those 2 actors I could totally buy into the reintroduction of Q. If they just make him the bumbling tit that Cleese was it won't work. As for Moneypenny - Emily Watson? Samantha Morton? Can't believe some people dig the song though, it fucking sucks ass.

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 4:33 a.m. CST

    Supporting characters dont need known actors

    by Prossor

    gary oldman? cmon now because he's such a prolific actor that he would bloat the role past its limit. well known actors for bit parts draws the attention way too much off of the main character. the script has to shoehorn more lines to their role because of their stature, maybe studio or director-enforced since he "always wanted to work with him" then because these are master actors they have to overplay the simple part, offsetting the balance of the part's importance. that's the problem with the nolan batmans, all these great actors filling little bit parts where some unknown hungry actor could have made it his own. michael caine may be a star compared to the previous alfred but by dammit the previous alfred was the BEST.

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 4:51 a.m. CST

    Nice balls, Massawyrm...

    by Dead Megatron

    ...That said, I have to say I liked the card playing and the misterious fourth act in Casino Royale. And the sappy love story was necessary to establish the character (such is the woe of origin movies)

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 5:54 a.m. CST

    Bill Nighy As Q

    by IAmMrMonkey!

    Okay, I've probably just spelt his name wrong but I reckon Bill Nighy might make a good Q.<p>P.S Captain Kirt - Man, that was awesome. You made me chuckle there.

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 5:55 a.m. CST

    Um, I meant "Captain Kirk"....

    by IAmMrMonkey!

    Damn you AICN and your lack of an edit function.

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 6:19 a.m. CST

    Massawyrm Stop bragging about how you fucked that fat ugly chick

    by dioxholster

    "Quantum of Solace is a fast paced action packed Bond film" <P> "f Quantum has one flaw, it is this: it is identical in structure and feel to the Bourne Identity series." -----thats all i needed to hear, this movie sucks balls just like what Mass said. nothing makes me want to watch such utter crap. a drama director ups the ante by directing a an action-movie. great.

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 6:22 a.m. CST

    Bond was always Sci-Fi

    by dioxholster

    not "silly realism". and at least CR had moments of DRAMA!!! the card game was a good contrast to the mindless action. now its just mindless action one after the other. no foreplay just assfucking.

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 6:26 a.m. CST

    Buuuuullshit on the TDK casting Prosser..

    by DiamondJoe

    ..How can you say that the casting is wrong? Fuck, Oldman, Caine and Freeman are three GENIUS casting choices for the supporting characters. Especially Oldman - a guy known for playing total batshit-crazy psychos all his career suddenly playing the most decent man in Gotham City, and you totally buy it. And yeah, Caine is just playing Caine, but that's all he needs to do. You totally accept him as Bruce Wayne's surrogate father and there's a warmth in the relationship that you didn't get from the other movies because they spent no time establishing it or fleshing it out. Alfred was always just fucking hanging around with the odd line or two and apparently, miraculously building all of Batman's high-tech shit for him off screen.

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 6:28 a.m. CST

    M should DIE!!!!!!!!!!

    by dioxholster

    M needs to Die in the next movie (if she didnt die in this one, i didnt see this crapfest yet)

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 6:39 a.m. CST

    Is it me?

    by garypleace

    Im a bond fan and no-one is more happy than me to see this franchise rebooted in style - but not ALL the style is appreciated! I rtalk about the stupidly relentless and hyper-editing style that leaves you completely out of the loop dramatically as you strain to get any reference points on the scene you are viewing. By the time you work out where a characteris/was/has done then the moment has gone! Peter Hunt PLEASE come back from up there and take these computer-game playing nerds away from the edit suites!!

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 6:47 a.m. CST

    The only Fuuuuck Me is how dull QoS was

    by Brody77

    Saw it last night and I was gutted. And I wasn't alone - NOBODY leaving the cinema (and it was sold out) was talking about the film! I've never seen that before, a hall leave quietly from the showing. You may as well have digitally stuck Jack Bauer in there instead of 007. As others have said - now can somebody please make a Bond film?

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 7:46 a.m. CST

    Saw it - it rocked

    by wildphantom07

    Brody77 - your sold out audience would have had alot of mainstream goers there that are all about the jokes and the wit. Me, and I think alot of people on these boards, want this stuff taken seriously. This is a pissed off Bond on the rampage. On a technical level it is absolutely fuckin awesome. Guys, it will blow your minds. <p> I LOVED it. I enjoyed Casino Royale, but this is the most daring Bond movie since early Connery. Exhausting, brutal - doesn't insult your intelligence. A ride. <p> If word of mouth is mixed from a mainstream that want it to slow-down and get more jokey then so be it. This is a proper James Bond spy movie. Be excited.

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Really good.

    by Keith Maniac

    I watched it last night and it is really good. Maybe just a tiny little smidgen behind CR in the quality stakes, but only just. Creepy villain, check, multiple and unusual locations, check, blistering action, check, gorgeous totty, check, best Bond since Connery, double check. Don't get over excited, don't watch clips, just avoid it until you go and watch it and if that works for you as well as it did me you'll love it.

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 10:22 a.m. CST

    I grew up with Moore, and thought he was

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    the best. But, as I matured I realized how campy he played it. Don't get me wrong, I like Moore, but looking back I'd have to say my favorite is not him, or Connery. It's not Brosnan or Dalton though both were respectable. Craig was great, but I liked one hit wonder George Lazenby. After seeing On Her Majesty's Secret Service a few times over the years I realized he is the least campy, most mature Bond. I don't know why they didn't use him again.

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Sounds good

    by DarthDillweed

    But why no mention of the Trek trailer, give us the goods Massa!!

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 11:27 a.m. CST

    GTA BOND!!!!

    by dioxholster

    I love GTA bond hes so awesome and violent and deadly and ruthless and stupid.

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Bond needs to fight Aliens!!!

    by dioxholster

    that would be the coolest james bond movie ever, having him fighting bad guys who are working with aliens. its X-files meets GoldenEye.

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 11:50 a.m. CST


    by Brody77

    Can't agree there - I'm a huge bond fan, and I didn't talk about it. I doubt the hall was full of these "mainstream" people whose opinion doesn't seem to count. The film is not technically awesome by any stretch. In fact, I think it's a goddamn mess. Who edited this, Stevie Wonder? I love Casino Royale, but the fact seems to be that Marc Foster is pish at action scenes. Compare the freerunning chase from CR to any scene from QoS - not even the same league. As a side note - when did MI6 buy the console from Star Trek TNG? Lastly - the theme tune is still a piece of rancid shite.

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 12:08 p.m. CST


    by caltsoudas

    I'm shocked to discover that all these reviews have been DEAD wrong. I don't know what the hell these critics are talking about. The only disappointment is the opening credit sequence. This is so refreshing in the way that it's been shot. This is not a blockbuster action movie, it's an arthouse action film. An action told with new stunning visual language through perhaps the most impressive cinematography I've seen all year since The Wackness.

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 12:25 p.m. CST

    by caltsoudas

    Also... It's hardly comparable to Bourne. The only similarity I can think of is the very quick editing style, which I enjoyed here. But it has a refinement, a finesse, if you will, that Bourne lacks. I also thought that the character development and plot were satisfying. It was just delivered in a non dumby-proof, less is more kind of way. A lot of things comes across through the visuals rather than through anvil heavy exposition.

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 1:01 p.m. CST

    The new Q should be

    by earlfist

    David Mitchell

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 1:24 p.m. CST


    by Earthquake WestCoast

    entitled to their tastes and opinions, but....MOST PEOPLE WANT a James Bond film that is fun to watch, and they want James Bond to be likeable. Not some dark, brooding depressing guy. James Bond FILMS (not the books) are SUPPOSED to be escapist entertainment! That's why the connery and Moore films were so great and why millions of people became fans!

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 1:31 p.m. CST


    by Earthquake WestCoast

    The Daniel Craig films are NOT a proper Bond film. They're BORING ART FILMS! Most people aren't Self-hating geeks that only enjoy dark films, most people want to go to the movies to escape the reality of the darkness that life is giving us right now. It's fine for a film to have DARK moments, but for a James Bond film to be so boring and dark is a crime. Bond isn't Batman!

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 2:16 p.m. CST

    OK Bourne, adequate Bond

    by rabidratboy

    The music was not good, but neither was the editing. A Bond movie where the theme and gun barrell don't come in until the closing credits just don't cut it. You could watch the superb CR and Bond 23 or whatever it will be and miss nothing plotwise, because the plot doesn't move forward much if at all. The climactic 'fight' with Mr Green is piss poor, which is a shame. The number of shots that just don't match up at all is hack filmaking. Craig is good, but it could easily be any of the other JB's about these days.

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 2:27 p.m. CST

    VERY misleading review

    by Sinnerman

    Don't normally disagree with Massa but I do on this. Loved Casino Royale but very dissapointed with this. This film completely fails to get the balance right, sacrificing story and er just about everything to do with James Bond. Craig is excellent but the direction is sloppy. Action sequences that you don't make sense and er that's about it. Where Casino Royale quite brilliantly avoided playing the bond theme until the credits to emphasise the fact that Bond had evolved into the character we know and respect during the film and now desrved the theme, in this the lack of bondness is just frustrating as hell. As I said Craig is excellent but they should let him be Bond not Bourne. This film is utterley charmless and just not a Bond movie.

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Dissapointing Film

    by The Penultimate Gunslinger

    A generous 6 out of 10 from me. Not awful, just not great.

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 3:10 p.m. CST

    I can only assume you Yanks have...

    by BiggusDickus

    ...a different cut of the film to us Brits, 'Cos I've just got back from seeing this and, frankly, it was dull.<p>Not a patch on Casino Royale. Five out of ten at best. Apparently, this is the shortest Bond film ever made. It didn't bloody feel like it to me...

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 3:23 p.m. CST

    it wasn't disappointing in the slightest...

    by wildphantom07

    I stand by my technically astonishing statement. I thought the way the film was edited was stunning. Exhausting, but hugely impressive. I'm not going to criticise the movie for not being what it isn't. They never set out to charm our socks off; but to assault our sense. <p> This one is going to split audiences right down the middle. But kudos to Forster and co for not playing it safe and sticking to what is an obviously paved out plan of movies. This is merely the next chapter in a huge story arc.

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Mamma Mia! has become the biggest British movie ever

    by IAmMrMonkey!

    I'm getting out of this country.

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Excellent film, see my awesome review

    by Chris Wood

    Saw it yesterday and it rocked! Here's my review:

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 4:40 p.m. CST

    "realistic" Bond movies

    by Prossor

    there are no such things as realistic Bond movies. Sure a movie here and there may not have a killer satellite or a guy out to nuke fort knox, but they're still FANTASY spy films. That's why the Craig movies are snooze inducing and voids of fun. That's why movies like From Russia With Love and On Her majesty secret service while more realistic are still fantasy oriented and truckloads more fun and enjoyable to watch than the grim soulless craggy-faced craig and his "emotions".

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 4:54 p.m. CST

    I just saw it tonight - excellent

    by Ray Gamma

    I'm gonna stick my neck out and say it's better than "Casino Royale". Daniel Craig IS Bond now, the whole film was perfectly cast, and the unravelling of this mystery about just who the fuck this new organisation is, was handled cleverly and kept you hanging on the edge of your seat. I love the new Bond style, and I also love the fact that this Bond CAN get hurt. The whole thing has made the stakes feel so much more real and the 'world' in Quantum of Solace feels like they are painting a new canvas with a backdrop of secrets and it is riddled with creeps, liars and sinister groups. It was perfect. Yes, better than Casino even.

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 4:59 p.m. CST

    I still want Aliens

    by dioxholster

    James Bond was born to fight Aliens.

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Dont Hate Me for Saying This

    by dioxholster

    James Bond was supposed to be exciting, im gonna say this and i know pple will bash me for it but here goes: the last time i felt i saw an actual exciting Bond film was Die Another mightve been a mess, it was, but it had that familiar james bond feel the one that makes u anticipate James Bond's every move. and makes u jump up and down inside whenever an action scene where Bond chases the bad guy or when Bond is being chased and somehow he kicks ass in style. And he was a likable womanizer; you as the viewer also never knew whether he was seducing women because it was part of his work or purely for his amusement, sometimes it was for love. the character was unique in every way. this however is bland and boring.

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 5:11 p.m. CST

    bond shouldn't be fun and light

    by gomez33

    read the fucking books you retards, He a fucking killing machine who fucks alot of women. Theres nothing remotely fun about the character, that was added for the films. Craig is an excellent Bond, the closest you'll get to the books and the film was good, i think it suffered a bit from a shitty bad guy. Also watched one of Brosmans films the other day and he beat the shit out of someone with a towel. What fuck thinks Bourne came up with those close quarter fights with random objects, Bond's been doing it for over a decade.

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Die another Day shit

    by gomez33

    it was the worst Bond film I've ever seen.... ever.

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 5:14 p.m. CST

    these are movies not books

    by Prossor

    you fucking idiot. two different mediums. If they went by the book the series would never have gotten off the ground.

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Nobody cares about the Books

    by dioxholster

    no one read them save for a few douchebags. everyone was introduced to Bond from the films not books. big difference. thats like saying Temperance Brennan on TV is the same as in the books, no and the TV one is better.

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 5:32 p.m. CST

    Nobody cares about the books?

    by IAmMrMonkey!

    Really? Then why on the talkbacks for Casino Royale were people protesting the change in the card game? Or when you say "nobody" do you mean Hollywood? I think you're wrong there too. If they didn't care then they wouldn't have rebooted the franchise with a story BASED ON ONE OF THE BOOKS? Why did Casino Royale not get such critical and commercial success if not for the fact that it felt more like the Bond from the books? What I actually think you mean, when you say "nobody" is "I don't care about the books". Which is a shame because you'd probably enjoy reading them.

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 5:36 p.m. CST

    You idiot hollywood is outta ideas

    by dioxholster

    of course they are gonna start getting their ideas from the book now, they got no ideas left no orginality left these asses are doing nothing but remakes, reboots, sequels and prequels.

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 5:44 p.m. CST

    *SPOILERS*James Bond fighting Aliens?*SPOILERS*

    by dioxholster

    ---so that was the Quantum of Solace twist... wow i wish i saw it before i knew that. this gotta be the coolest Bond ever!

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 6:30 p.m. CST


    by IAmMrMonkey!

    And there I was thinking that the studio had gone back to the books because the movies had become criticised for moving too far away from the original Bond movies (i.e the ones based on the books). But you obviously have insider information that I don't so yeah, I'm an idiot.

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Bond in the movie medium has been mostly shit

    by odo19

    Until Craig. You know it's true.

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 6:40 p.m. CST


    by odo19

    LOl, so the previous Bond films, which were all rehashes of each other where the exact same thing happened in every fucking movie, were original then? God your fucking stupid.

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Dioxholster I meant

    by odo19

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 8:19 p.m. CST

    Craig is Connery's Bond turned up to 11..

    by quantize

    ...which is why he is perfect..and people who dont buy him as Bond are way more into the poncy, campy cocktail version than they realise. Moore was funny, but never cold like Connery.

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 8:24 p.m. CST

    Solid movie - but feels a bit transistional

    by TurdontheRun

    Just got back from seeing Quantum of Solace. Its good - not Casino Royale good - but it'd easily make the top 10. they haven't blown it. Craig is as good as ever - even more brutal and uncompromising than in CR - although given the nature and structure of this particular entry he's rarely given time to breath and demonstrate the more emotional beats that's he capable of and that really fleshed out the character in CR. there's one bit involving a character from the last movie where he does and its a bit of a shock because he's been so relentless and single-minded up to that point. but his absolute no bullshit approach to the role continuse apace. The thing about this movie is that it feels like a bridge between CR and stuff to come - his character arc here sort of dictates that the movie be a bit one-note and furiously paced. he still has some way to go on his journey to becoming the fully-rounded embodiment of the character (as well as uncovering the larger plot and villains of the Spectre-like 'Organisation'). so, without rambling on further, what this means is that Quantum is a good Bond movie that lacks the extra colouring of CR, but promises a lot more to come. I was left wanting more, but then that's probably a good thing. oh, and Massawyrm, anyone who dismisses the romance in CR as a 'sappy love story' or unnecessary,really didn't understand that movie at all. it was an absolutely essential component of it.

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 8:54 p.m. CST

    I agree....fuck the books.


    They are great literature. But the books are the books. Its a whole different thing. They have never been a direct adaptation like say Harry Potter-- they are more inspiration.

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 9:03 p.m. CST

    You know how we can trust the "I just saw it" reviews?

    by Johnny Law

    Because they spell it "organisation."

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Johnny Law

    by TurdontheRun

    I'm from the UK so yes, it can be spelled OrganiSation, instead of OrganiZation (just like prioritise or any similar word), if that indeed is your pedantic point. And yes, I'm also aware that we find out in the movie that the Organisation is called 'Quantum'. now if you're casting doubts on whether I saw it or not (and its sometimes difficult to tell online), I can assure you I have - the movie is on general release in the UK right now (US release 14th Nov I beleieve?), so you can put that shit to bed, jack. Or perhaps my opinion didn't match what you've decided the movie's going to be like? but that doesn't mean someone is lying.

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 9:25 p.m. CST


    by Earthquake WestCoast

    The only reason people were protesting the change in the card game in Casino Royale on the talkbacks is's a website for fanboys! Fanboys of Bond HAVE READ the books! The millions of mainstream Bond fans HAVE NOT! If the connery bond films were like the books, it would NEVER of been a hit. There wouldn't of been of 40 years of Bond films. People DON'T WANT A SUPER SERIOUS BOND. They WANT A BALANCE BETWEEN SERIOUS AND FUN!

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 9:28 p.m. CST


    by Earthquake WestCoast

    All the Connery, Moore Bond films posters made the movies look entertaining. Bond with girls-Check! Bond with gun-check! Bond surrounded by bad guys-Check! Quantum of Solace poster looks like an ad you see at MACY'S or some gay perfume ad in Cosmo. The poster doesn't make someone who never seen a Bond film want to go see it.

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 9:30 p.m. CST


    by Earthquake WestCoast

    Bring back SPECTRE for the organization. Quantum sounds gay for an organization's name! You know it does,'re gay, then you probably like it.

  • Nov. 1, 2008, 10:29 p.m. CST


    by wontyouletmeknow.

    Absolutely the first positive review I have read. And I am going with it. Very pumped.

  • Nov. 2, 2008, 12:34 a.m. CST

    How have so many people already seen this?

    by SmokeFilledTavern

    Just once I'd like a movie to be released to nobody in advance. So there could be no false hopes and superficial hype. The truth is...there is a lot of negativity out there about this film. That's a bad sign. AICN tends to favor anything that's a big franchise. They will find a way to like it. Go in with hope, but stay realistic. It could be as bad as you've heard.

  • Nov. 2, 2008, 1:19 a.m. CST

    The endtimes must be here...

    by odo19

    because I think I just heard people on AICN say fuck the source material of a franchise!!

  • Nov. 2, 2008, 1 a.m. CST

    the poster is shiiiiiit

    by Prossor

    what an embarrasment that this is what bond posters have become. seriously two glum fucks walking in a desert? it's just generic and lazyness and make ME depressed staring at that bland shit. comparison to the connery/moore posters which made you want to go see the movies, they were true works of art, action, girls, bond, locales in the most creative cforms ever.

  • Nov. 2, 2008, 1:15 a.m. CST

    let's use The Shining as comparison

    by Prossor

    for those to understand different mediums. Kubrick took a pretty mhch average book by King and used it as a foundation to create a cinematic masterpiece, changing it around to benefit cinematic purposes, the movie became better than anything the book ever dreamed of being. Meanwhile King whined and wanted it just like his book, so he got his shitty tv-series which was just like the book yet was a joke, bland, uninspired. this is why book=/=movie. no surprise why the daltons had the lowest gross of the whole serie, no one gives two shits about how dalton analyzed the books to get the character right. his interpretation is downright snooze-inducing.

  • Nov. 2, 2008, 1:31 a.m. CST

    Agreed about The Shining

    by odo19

    And I'm a Stephen King fan. However, if you are going to deviate from the source material that much then the movie should at least be good. Not boring campy shit.

  • Nov. 2, 2008, 3:13 a.m. CST

    Another Reboot?

    by dioxholster

    or not yet? frankly if i made a Bond film i will put aliens in it. at least mutant soldiers...

  • Nov. 2, 2008, 3:21 a.m. CST

    maybe they can still end it in fantasy

    by dioxholster

    maybe the third film can have more revelations about Quantum and that Bond discovers that they are smuggling alien materials to a remote location that harbors a secret device, when activated it can unleash a series of earthquakes that cause great tsunamis around the world. that or at least have Bond jump off a dam...

  • Nov. 2, 2008, 3:45 a.m. CST


    by Motoko Kusanagi


  • Nov. 2, 2008, 4:10 a.m. CST


    by wbrownley

    if u want aliens, there's always Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.

  • Nov. 2, 2008, 4:40 a.m. CST


    by Russell T Davis

    Saw QOS yesterday - I thought it was a bold direction to take for a Bond movie after CR -it would have been so much easier and predictable to take a straight forward CR like approach to this story but full credit to everyone for not only making a different Bond film but an excellent action film as well. My only gripe is that the action is too fast and frequent - it needed another 20mins additing to it in order to develop the characters & storyline and to pace it right. The pre-credits sequence is done very well ,we're straight into the action and the song fits in very well (I had my reservations). SPOILER ALERT: Yes as mentioned the gun barrel is at the end but when you watch this movie you understand why - we now have Bond as we know him and he's ready to make some major in roads into exposing this organisation. I would agree with the critics who say that this feels like the second film in a trilogy - this story is in no way finished and is set up beautifully for the next film where I am sure some more familiar elements of the Bond series will be introduced as per the gun barrel at the beginning. So enjoy, try not to dissect the story too much (otherwise you will fell frustrated) and let's wait for Daniel Craig's finished version of the Bond character in the next film. James Bond will return....

  • Nov. 2, 2008, 6:06 a.m. CST

    Fuck the source material of every franchise!!!

    by dioxholster

    lets go nuts and mess with everything. happy odo19?

  • Nov. 2, 2008, 8:25 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    It's a-ha, not ah-ha. Duh. Just saw the film, its ok. Bad guys are rubbish and the whole thing is a bit underwhelming. The first half hour is a BLATANT rip off of several action sequences from The Bourne Ultimatum. I had no idea what was happening in the opening car chase, the geography is very confusing. Coolest sequence was the opera sequence. Forster has added some nice arthouse touches. Way better than any of the Brosnan films so no reason to complain really. Broccoli and Wilson need to think about what direction to go in now though. The writing is the weak element, there's no memorable dialogue on the go here. Time to jettison Purvis and Wade and get some good writers in.

  • Nov. 2, 2008, 8:46 a.m. CST


    by toxicbuddha

    I am geeked over Craig as Bond. And as much as everyone carries on about Sean's take, go back and watch those films without your 60's glasses on: He's smacking bitches around and generally being the world's most dangerous pimp. Yes Connery had a manly smoothness to him, but his treatment of women is so buffoonish it's almost a parody. I love the fact that this new iteration is taking it back to the foundation and showing you what makes Bond what he is.

  • Nov. 2, 2008, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Yeah, Connery's Bond was a bastard

    by BillEmic

    but he was just so cool. You wanted to be him. Craig's Bond is too tortured to idolize. But I still like him a lot, 2nd only to Connery.

  • Nov. 2, 2008, 3:40 p.m. CST

    The confind Space fisticuffs is sooo Bournish...


    I think he even grabs a pen!(what the hell!? i mean shoot it kinetically in the bourne style done't lift actual bits!!!) but the Skafolding fight is franticatastic!<P>I don't like the old Bond movies so to me Daniel Craig is way the best bond simply because he's in the 2 best Bond Movies I've ever seen no matter how cool Connery is Daniel craig is a superb 007.

  • Nov. 2, 2008, 4:39 p.m. CST

    "From Russia With Love" book and movie

    by kabong

    are very much alike. <p> What annoys me is people who like Crapsino Royale saying that it's faithful to the novel; no, it's not. <p> Then other people say they like Crapsino Royale because it's not trying to follow the novel. <p> What both groups mean is that they like Crapsino Royale . . . because it was a chick flick . . . with some action added.

  • Nov. 2, 2008, 5:49 p.m. CST

    the next title---

    by captain_kirk

    In all seriousness, I think the broccoflower clan will be recycling past titles. And why not? Casino Royale was used at least 1 x before. Why not start with Never Say Never Again just to piss off McClory

  • Nov. 2, 2008, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Once again, Massawyrm is completely...

    by deanamatronix

    incorrect. Way off the mark. Couldn't be more wrong. Quantum of Solace is an incoherent mess. Bad direction, sloppy editing and a horribly muddled script. A really bad film. End of story.

  • Nov. 2, 2008, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Oh, and one more thing...

    by deanamatronix

    ... I really like Craig as Bond. Shame he has this muddled mess as his follow up to the genuinely entertaining Casino Royale.

  • Nov. 2, 2008, 8:38 p.m. CST

    Craig is a GREAT BOND for this era.

    by Continentalop

    I hate bringing up one of the worst clichés, but Daniel Craig works as the Post 9-11 Bond. It is easy to imagine him as an ex-SAS agent now recruited into MI-6. The scene in Uganda where James is shadowing Mollaka seems like something out of Blackhawk Down, or seeing a CIA SAD agent like Johnny Spann in action. Sean Connery (who will always be my James Bond) was perfect for his era, representing a Kennedy-esque figure: dashing, charming, and intelligent, yet dangerous and cool. It wouldn’t be hard to imagine Sean’s Bond winning Britain’s highest medal for heroism on a PTO boat. And yes, I know I mentioned two American events (9-11 and the Kennedy presidency) but lets not kid ourselves, American events probably shaped James Bond in the movies more than almost any British event has.

  • Nov. 2, 2008, 8:56 p.m. CST

    Casino and Quantum aren't REAL Bond...

    by pdennett316

    They don't follow that particular series' conventions at all, instead 'borrowing' a style from the Bourne movies. Nothing wrong with that if, like me, you weren't really into the older Bond movies. <p> While they aren't REAL Bond in that sense, CR to me was a beter Bond. I really enjoyed that movie a lot, probably due to the Bourne-yness of it all. I hope this one follows suit, I really do. But to argue that the new Bond isn't lifting wholesale from Bourne is a hollow argument. The Bourne trilogy was incredibly successful, the Bond producers looked at the underperforming Bond's of recent times and changed direction.<p> If it wasn't for the Bourne movies, this Bond wouldn't exist. If it wasn't for the Bond books...Bourne wouldn't exist.<p> Wierd!!

  • Nov. 2, 2008, 9:12 p.m. CST

    Bond needs a mentor in the next movie

    by Manatee

    An older, more sophisticated agent (with perhaps a shadowy motive or two) needs to teach Craig's Bond the finer points of being a 00. I think this could provide an emotional jolt, while setting up Craig's fourth and final installment as Bond.

  • Nov. 3, 2008, 1:56 a.m. CST

    by ReelMan

  • Nov. 3, 2008, 5:14 a.m. CST

    Saw it last night..

    by DiamondJoe

    ...and its good, but not great, and its really a bit of a missed opportunity. They've basically reverted to type - daft plot, explosions, an indestructible Bond (unlike the human being from Casino Royale), hideout going up in flames at the end. Oh, and a truly shit song. It has some nice touches and good scenes - everything with Mathis, for example, and the scenes between Bond and M are all excellent. But its too loud, fast, crash-bang-wallop. None of the subtlety or elegance of Royale, and it doesn't involve you the way Royale did. From the first scene you just think, hmm...explosions. Still, Craig is terrific, and so is Olga Kurylenko or whatever she's called. Couple of BIG fuck ups: Why are any shady government depts like the secret service always protrayed as having the kind of computers NO ONE IN THE FUCKING WORLD HAS, with Matrix-style user interfaces and holographic projections? Fucking pisses me off no end when they've touted this Bond as grounded in reality. Also, I won't spoil anything, but I think killing off one of the characters was a big mistake, as they could have been an effective recurring ally. All in all - could do better.

  • Nov. 3, 2008, 5:43 a.m. CST


    by Die_Hardest

    Go back and watch From Russia With Love, or Goldfinger. Connery is the best Bond. I do agree with whoever was espousing Lazenby's merits. He was great in On Her Majesty's Secret Service, but Connery will always be the best Bond. That being said I though Craig was fantastic in Casino Royale.

  • Nov. 3, 2008, 6:30 a.m. CST

    Seen it twice and it is sh!t

    by Mr_P

    Had tickets in advance for both showings. Direction is awful and Foster needs his shaky cam rammed up his erse. Couldn't see a thing that was going on, I have seen the scene with the boat chase twice now and still have no idea what Bond did and noone I have spoken to does either. I love Bond, DC is my 2nd favourite Bond and I have never ever said anything negative about a Bond film so soon after seeing it (often living in denial for months where Brosnan was concerned) but this was seriously awful. I am so gutted and disappointed it is incredible. At least the Vesper killing herself sits a bit more comfortably now and the story is probably ok but the action sequences gave me a headache both nights and really ruined it for me. Put me in the mood for watching a Bond film which this most certainly did not feel like. Oh and one last thing the mood in the cinema at the end as people got up to leave was very very flat so it wasn't just me - and my date, and my friends who thought it was disappointing.

  • Nov. 3, 2008, 6:48 a.m. CST

    kabong with respect...

    by codymr

    I see you point, but I think what people are getting at when they say that the "CR film is faithful to the CR Fleming novel" is that elements of the novel were transposed in the same spirit that is the novel... but that it is not a carbon copy of the original material. <P> Sure it was updated and events were dropped or moved around in the narrative, but much like Peter Jackson's LOTR trilogy, the spirit of CR was faithful to the book. <P> Especially considering many Bond films share absolutely nothing in common with the original novel other than the title... including QOS it seems.

  • Nov. 3, 2008, 7:44 a.m. CST

    It's Amazing !

    by dude_gimme_tabs

    Saw it yesterday and I think it's amazing. The more I think about it, the more bits of genius I remember. Starts with a hell of a bang and never let's up. Craig is beyond great in this, and every scene with Judi Dench is a marvel. The consensus in the office here is that it was great, only that it maybe could have been 15 minutes longer and used this time to have a teeny bit more exposition, particularly around Mathis and Bond at the end of the 2nd act. It is tough as hell (as it can be for a 12A certificate). Craig's opening 2 lines - directly pre and post title sequence - are fantastic. And I really, really thought he was going to pull that trigger during the fire at the hotel scene with Camille. The way he deals with Greene is brilliantly realized and his confrontation at the very end with a certain Algerian, the quiet menace being exuded from Bond, makes the hairs on the back of your neck stand up.

  • Nov. 3, 2008, 8:27 a.m. CST

    MR P..

    by DiamondJoe

    ..Agree with you on the boat chase, I couldn't tell what the fuck was going on. Or in the opening car chase. And I saw it in a packed theater and the mood was flatter than a witches tit at the end.

  • Nov. 3, 2008, 9 a.m. CST


    by dude_gimme_tabs

    I think the mood is subdued at the end because it's not nice. It's bleak, it'as dark. It's not happy, there is no floating off into the sunset playing tongue hockey with a hot as hell Bond girl with a midget captive strapped to the mast. People are dead, Bond has been fucked up completely. He may have drawn a line under the Vesper situation but he has found found his measure of comfort (Quantum of Solace) is not in a woman, but it is in a fairly repellent job with very few friends who can really be trusted. When he walks away from M at the close of the movie he is till not on a good place.

  • Nov. 3, 2008, 9 a.m. CST


    by dude_gimme_tabs

    I think the mood is subdued at the end because it's not nice. It's bleak, it'as dark. It's not happy, there is no floating off into the sunset playing tongue hockey with a hot as hell Bond girl with a midget captive strapped to the mast. People are dead, Bond has been fucked up completely. He may have drawn a line under the Vesper situation but he has found found his measure of comfort (Quantum of Solace) is not in a woman, but it is in a fairly repellent job with very few friends who can really be trusted. When he walks away from M at the close of the movie he is still not on a good place.

  • Nov. 3, 2008, 9:11 a.m. CST

    A 'grown-up' review that ringer truer than bullshit

    by Mr Gorilla

    (THIS WAS WRITTEN BY PHILIP FRENCH IN THE UK SUNDAY PAPER 'THE OBSERVER') The director, his cinematographer, editor and writers have set out to outdo the Bourne trilogy, and the picture sacrifices everything to maintaining a breakneck speed. The camera moves with dizzying rapidity, the cutting is frantic. There is no coherence, humour, affection, reflection.

  • Nov. 3, 2008, 9:22 a.m. CST

    Bourne Supremacy was fun, Ultimatum was boring

    by Mr Gorilla

    Yo do eventually need story, characters who have relationships and who you can invest in, humour etc. A dude running around kicking people in the face will eventually get boring.

  • Nov. 3, 2008, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Connery IS BOND

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    The reviewer fails to understand that Craig's portrayal of 007 needs to evolve into Connery's. It is all good and cool for 007 to make mistakes...... on his first mission. However, he cannot continue to do so as his character progresses. He will become suave and debonair. He needs to. The review needs to give Connery his due and respect the filmic 007.

  • Nov. 3, 2008, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Chris Pine IS Capt James T. Kirk

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    Why is it that everyone automatically assumes that origin stories are guaranteed to be stellar? I liked Batman Begins. I loved Casino Royale. However, that does not mean that everything prior needs to be diminished...

  • Nov. 3, 2008, 10:56 a.m. CST

    flaws?? CR was perfect! did not need more action

    by FleshMachine

    hard to top. too much action = yawn.

  • Nov. 3, 2008, 3:38 p.m. CST


    by dude_gimme_tabs

    I dunno, this was was rammed and packed full of action but I still really enjoyed it. If this is a trilogy then it makes the perfect act II and set's up a great 3rd chapter.

  • Nov. 4, 2008, 12:58 a.m. CST

    Bourne films are great, Craig's Bond is Great too..

    by CeejayNightwing

    All the other Bond films before Casino Royale are mostly they're own interpretation of the character and apart from a few films, have very little of what the Books presented as James Bond. Because of that we have several generations of so called Bond fans who basically only know Bond from the films as some womanizing, gadget laden, sports-car driving English gentleman who keeps saving the world and getting the girl. Timothy Dalton was the first to get the character right but the time was not right to re-educate the public so the films flopped. Daniel Craig was more fortunate in his attempt and now we have a whole bunch of people who simply don't get what's happening. They're expecting traditional Bond film cliches and are instead being presented with the very human and vulnerable character from the books in a true progressive story which has nothing to do with saving the world every 5 minutes or throwing billion dollar gadgets at bad guys with secret bases and odd sidekicks. Bourne and Bond are completely different characters and stories. The Bourne films are about a man who is trying to redeem himself for his past activities with what little fragments he can remember. Bond is an agent with a license to kill and an objective to take down the organization that was behind the death of the woman he was hoping to marry. The new films higlight this as his driving force, a hidden agenda he can barely admit to himself yet it haunts his every private moment. By the end of QOS you'll see why the events of Casino Royale were ALL very important to the grand scheme of things. Bond overcomes being a blunt instrument in the first movie and in this film he overcomes his emotional involvement and aspires to true professionalism in his line of work. This is the second act of the chronicling of becoming the Bond that the world only glimpsed in little detail with some early Connery films and the Timothy Dalton Movies. If you liked Roger Moore of Pearce Brosnan, don't hang around too long, we won't ever be returning to the English head waiter type Bond who can't keep his dick in his pants! QOS is a supereb follow-up to CR, it has very tight, brutal action scenes directed with motion filled camera work similar to the Bourne films but not the same. The movie progresses the relationship between Bond and his allies for future establishment, Both M and Felix overcome their programming to allow Bond the leeway he needs to gain perspective on his path of vengeance. The unraveling of clues that are brining to light the existence and nature of the enemy organization they discovered from the first film, finally pays off at the end of this movie. It makes for a really eventful third act movie that will finally have Bond vs the powers that be from SMERSH (if they're still called that) with all the backing from his bosses at MI6 and his friends at the CIA. Forget what you think you know, lose all expectations and embrace the new Bond doing things the way they should have been done in the first place without making the character a cliched comic book!

  • Nov. 4, 2008, 3:27 a.m. CST

    Just the review I hoped!

    by onezeroone

    Now, don't let me down. After I saw CR, my first thought was "Best Bond since Sean Connery"...<p> And Bourne-ish Bond is not a imitation, but a reflection of the sort of spy who would live in a world like today. You no longer have a face for the "enemy" [not even Laden]. Earlier Bond was a relic of Cold War era... this new Bond, even though Bourne-ish, is a Bond of our times. If you wanna fight terrorism, you have to fight it out in those narrow alleys.

  • Nov. 4, 2008, 3:34 a.m. CST

    CeejayNightWing! Thanks!

    by onezeroone

    Forgot to mention in my post, you summed up most of my thoughts pretty well there, esp the Dalton part.

  • Nov. 4, 2008, 4:51 a.m. CST


    by dude_gimme_tabs

    .....has pretty much nailed it there! Pay attention to the man, he knows of what he speaks.

  • Nov. 4, 2008, 4:54 a.m. CST

    Additional point.....

    by dude_gimme_tabs

    Which is that by the end of QoS, M has FINALLY managed to start trusting Bond, his judgement and his decisions. This will lead to the relationship from the original movies where M just summons him to the office on Regents Park and then sends him on his way, free to accomplish his mission, his way.

  • Nov. 4, 2008, 7:57 a.m. CST

    Ahhh, so it's the 'middle one of a trilogy'.

    by Mr Gorilla

    'Setting up things nicely for the next episode.' An excuse often used to excuse shitness - i.e. The Two Towers (listen to P Jackson's apologetic yak-trak on the DVD). People forget that good middle chunks do that - and manage to be brilliant films too. (Empire Strikes Back, etc etc)

  • Hey guys, went to see this last night and boy was I and many others I think disappointed. There are somethings that I can accept being left out of a Bond movie (like the one liners) but what I expect first off is a bad ass opening sequence that delivers a punch. Instead we get a cool driving scene but no definitive punch at the end. Then cut to title sequence of what has to be one of the worst bond songs ever. I mean what the fuck? Ok so back to the movie and must say from here on for about 20mins theres some good action sequences that deliver especially bond on a rope shooting a bad guy. I saw that and thought now that could have and should have been the opener somehow. After which we go off on a journey all of the place which is cool in a way but the dialogue is sometimes difficult to keep up with meaning you get lost but have to just go with it hoping that it all makes sense in the end. The main bad guy doesnt really seem bad enough although I like the idea of exploring the idea of a global organisation exploiting that most precious of resource. I also liked being suprised that I didnt realise what that resource might be until into the film (I wont spoil it here by saying what it is) however, both Bond girls although beautiful never really give the film much. In-fact I didnt really care for their story at all although toward the end I did feel the main girl stuck in a fire for bond to save played well because of her past which comes out well in the scene. Theres a nice plane scene to and at this point I think I can conclude by saying this: This movie is about individual action scenes that do not always tie up well with some working better than others. The end sequence I felt was also dull and i came out thinking that ok I love that Bond has been reimagined, I loved what they did with Casino and I hoped this new movie would just kick ass Bourne Ultamatium style. It just doesnt and that is sad. Its going to make a shit load of cash of cause but thats more to do with the fact that people loved Casino and hoped this was gona be better. Its sad that it isnt but for all these problems let me also say this: Daniel Craig is a fantastic Bond. Totally ruthless in a way that has not been seen since Connery played the role. All I can hope is that in 2 years time we get a better script for him to go with. Finally let me also say the music soundtrack is uninspiring throughout as well. Lets hope next time is better! Oh by the way you come out the movie thinking of so erm exactly what is the Quantum of Solance? But if they do another one we may find out great!

  • Nov. 4, 2008, 9:21 a.m. CST


    by TurdontheRun

    Well said, sir. I think you've hit the nail on the head. So many people don't have a clue what the character is really about, therefore its no surprise that there's complete confusion and surprise when the true James Bond is presented. Its like Batman fans expecting Adam West and getting Chritian Bale's authentic version of the character. Let them stick A View To A Kill in their dvd players one more time, and the rest of us will enjoy an accurate and mature portrayal of Bond for once!