Oct. 31, 2008, 9:40 a.m. CST
I'm boycotting this...plus it seems like it will be too sappy....Jersey Girl meets Debbie Does Dallas...no thanks...
Oct. 31, 2008, 9:41 a.m. CST
You should really go see Katie Morgan's entry at imdb. I didn't realize they listed porns.
Oct. 31, 2008, 9:41 a.m. CST
Oct. 31, 2008, 9:42 a.m. CST
I am so tired of election coverage, Silent Bob for president is starting to sound real good.
Oct. 31, 2008, 9:43 a.m. CST
Glad to hear the film delivered.
Oct. 31, 2008, 9:44 a.m. CST
Sometimes the "big word" Kevin can use get tangled up in the actor's mouths. It sounds like that isn't happening here. . . seeing it after work tonight.
Oct. 31, 2008, 9:46 a.m. CST
Seriously, You may have to see it a 2nd time to catch all of his mutterings.
Oct. 31, 2008, 9:50 a.m. CST
Is this site entirely for people who hate all movies? I rarely see a movie not get trashed here. If were up to the people posting, I dont think movies would exist. Instead of ruining your own enjoyment by scrutinizing the smallest detail, why not sit down and enjoy the message an artist has created for you?
Oct. 31, 2008, 9:53 a.m. CST
No, I just hate shit. <p> Kevin Smith + Judd Apatow = Shit <p>
Oct. 31, 2008, 9:58 a.m. CST
by Steve Rogers
Oct. 31, 2008, 10 a.m. CST
especially in the UK how many people want to go up to the counter and ask for a ticket for a film with porno in the title with their date standing next to them. And when it comes out to buy they will drop it off the title guaranteed. All the big stores will not want it on their shelves where some 8 year old looking for High School Musical 3 can see it 'mommy whats porno?' Just sayin mark my words......
Oct. 31, 2008, 10:01 a.m. CST
Officially, mine is Groundhog's Day. Secretly, it's Happy Gilmore. Recently, its 40 Year-Old Virgin.
Oct. 31, 2008, 10:09 a.m. CST
I doubt it, but I'm looking forward either way. Chasing Amy was the anti-romantic comedy. It was the one film that broke the formula and wrote an honest tale that sometimes you find the person you are retarded for, so utterly in love with, and then you fuck it up. Things aren't just magically resolved in the third act because they should be. Some doors just shouldn't be opened. It is beautiful, funny, painful and poignant. If Zack and Miri approach that territory, I'll be very pleased.
Oct. 31, 2008, 10:11 a.m. CST
Haters get praised for their efforts in putting things down. It is easy and popular, where as standing up for something means you are putting yourself out there. Few people are willing to do that. It isn't just this site. I really think the world is full of haters these days.
Oct. 31, 2008, 10:15 a.m. CST
by Bouncy X
not sure if its been on american or canadian networks but commercials for it over here have already omitted "make a porno" from the title, even the website it shows is only zachandmiri.com but that might just be to make it quicker to type.
Oct. 31, 2008, 10:17 a.m. CST
I see way more trashing going on here than anything else. Granted, there is a LOT of shit coming out of Hollywood these days, but even the movies which are good and entertaining seem to get trashed on here in some capacity. I think part of the problem is anticipation, people trash a movie before it is even completed, or pre-judge something, and they are predisposed to hate it, and no matter how good or bad it is, they hate it. Now this is not the case with everyone here, there are plenty of people with good solid views and opinions, but just too many haters who seem to loathe film rather than love it because for those people, NOTHING is good enough for them, unless films are exactly how they think it should be, it's shit to them. Visit my blog- http://movietalktime.blogspot.com/
Oct. 31, 2008, 10:23 a.m. CST
...but I saw Rogen on Jay Leno a few days ago and couldn't think anything else than "Oh, how I HATE this unfunny douchebag!"
Oct. 31, 2008, 10:24 a.m. CST
Oct. 31, 2008, 10:47 a.m. CST
I'm sorry but he just puts me off. I find him highly unlikeable and very unfunny. How he ever got to where is boggles my mind. Every time I hear his voice I want to attack something. Every talk show or radio show I see him on is an instant cue to go and do something else. The very thought of watching this film with him in it is enough to make me not watch it. Which is a shame. Same goes for Jonah Hill, though I think he's quite funny on occasion.
Oct. 31, 2008, 10:53 a.m. CST
Oct. 31, 2008, 10:55 a.m. CST
by Stuntcock Mike
Her not nude = no sale.
Oct. 31, 2008, 10:57 a.m. CST
Do you mean Rogen is a complete fucking douchebag because I've met Mario Barth (I live near one of his NJ shops)and the man is an absolute prick.
Oct. 31, 2008, 11:01 a.m. CST
Oops, saw your earlier post. I find it hard to believe that Rogen can be even a quarter of the douchebag that Mario Barth is. I wanted to key his Lamborghini and punch his silicone injected wife in the face when I left his shop.
Oct. 31, 2008, 11:02 a.m. CST
i think the idea around here is to see who can trash a movie the best. it isnt about if the movie is good or not, it is who can win the trash talking contest. you will find things are a lot better when you look at how good things are. life is too short to spend it always looking for the negative. especially when most of th trash talkers couldnt write two consecutive entertaining sentences much less create a movie.
Oct. 31, 2008, 11:02 a.m. CST
He makes flicks, and there's a big difference.
Oct. 31, 2008, 11:07 a.m. CST
had me laughing pretty much the entire time. capones right, its got a lot of heart too. not many movies featuring jason mewe's balls can say that
Oct. 31, 2008, 11:10 a.m. CST
no Banks titties, no ticket from me. I consider this a heinous bait and switch. It was like casting Elisha Cuthbert as a porn start in Girl Next Door, and then never even showing her ass, let alone a little titty. We know Banks is down with the nudity from her GQ photo spread ... so why not deal a little on screen ? So, in closing, go fuck yourself, you fat little troll, for screwing an opportunity to show all of us all of her.
Oct. 31, 2008, 11:13 a.m. CST
by Mel Gibsteinberg
Sorry, I really have enjoyed Kevin Smith movies in the past, but after 40 year old, Superbad, Knocked Up, etc. It feels like Kevin Smith showed up to the party late. <P>I know that is totally unfair, that in fact he had written this script years prior, its just that he didn't get this made until after those above films sort of broached this subject in all of their films, not to mention the use of Seth Rogen just feels like a grabbing the coat tails sort of excercise. <P>Also, and I know its been said before, but explain to me how exactly this couple is going to make money on a porno, when there is so much free porn on the internet, especially the amateur crap, that this would just get lost in the shuffle. If this was back in the 90's, I think this movie is ground breaking, edgy, and makes sense for the times, but at this time and place it sort of seems a day late and a dollar short. <P>Sorry Kev, I know I know, I'm such a douchebag hater.
Oct. 31, 2008, 11:26 a.m. CST
by Mel Gibsteinberg
Some of you are seriously saying no just because there is no Bank's boobies? Really? That seems pretty trivial, any celebrity poon, ass, or "awesome byoobage" is pretty visible online right away anyway. So even if she did bare the puppies, you wouldn't have to see this movie to see the goods. I am just not that interested because of the content itself, most likely will rent.
Oct. 31, 2008, 11:30 a.m. CST
He was forced by the studio system to rewrite Mallrats as more of a "Porkys" type movie, and they told him to show gratuitous nudity. He felt it was cheap, and unneeded for the film. He has since suggested that he will make an effort to avoid nudity in his films unless it was really necessary.
Oct. 31, 2008, 11:43 a.m. CST
..but the comparison to the current economic crisis is trivial at best. It's not that they CAN'T make things work, they just don't CARE. They put all their bills off and decide to by stupid products instead of paying their bills. On top of the fact that they don't even care about the jobs they currently have and don't seem even slightly concerned about losing them.<p> Like I said, I really loved the movie but I just find the whole comparison to the current financial situation to be unwarranted.
Oct. 31, 2008, 11:46 a.m. CST
by Lenny Nero
...Porky's with a brain, so I don't entirely believe your story.
Oct. 31, 2008, 11:53 a.m. CST
by Stuntcock Mike
That was a dealbreaker unfortunatley.
Oct. 31, 2008, 11:53 a.m. CST
by Stuntcock Mike
What the Hell.
Oct. 31, 2008, 11:55 a.m. CST
by Fa Fa Fooey
Sorry, it was too funny not to re-post.
Oct. 31, 2008, 11:55 a.m. CST
Smith films will never quite the same again. Looking forward to this one quite a lot however.
Oct. 31, 2008, 1:14 p.m. CST
by Speed Fricassee
Then I might have to check this ou--! Oh, wait, this just in: Kevin Smith is still not funny. Guess I won't be seeing this dung grenade.
Oct. 31, 2008, 1:17 p.m. CST
Watch the docs on the 10th anniversary disc, listen to his Q&A sessions, and listen to the commentary tracks. His script he wrote was a big gameshow parody. It opened with TV and closed with TV. The studio demanded nudity and demanded he make a "Porkys" film. He filmed a truly awful opening sequence that was supposed to be something out of Animal House (which he thankfully cut). He has said over and over and over again that he feels really shitty for the forced nudity in Mallrats.
Oct. 31, 2008, 1:17 p.m. CST
That is pretty bad my friend
Oct. 31, 2008, 1:18 p.m. CST
Exhibit B- making a 4 hour borefest with Tarantino and Rodriguez.
Oct. 31, 2008, 1:21 p.m. CST
You need an editor. Seriously. You meant "context", not "contest"; you meant to say you "would not" call it "sophisticated" not "would". These are just two of several. Please try reading your articles out loud to yourself before publishing.
Oct. 31, 2008, 1:37 p.m. CST
You think he has an editor- or readers outside of this site!(besides family) ----I've lived in Chicago my whole life and was a critic too- this guys' a goon.
Oct. 31, 2008, 1:41 p.m. CST
by Jay Mammoth
Keep up the great work Mr. Smith fuck the green eyed haters.
Oct. 31, 2008, 2:03 p.m. CST
"Itchy" says it better than I did...it's just a frustrating tease to put a hot actress in a starring role in a movie with "porn" in the title and then not have her show nudity. It's just a slap in the face to red-blooded males everywhere. I never saw that Cuthbert movie he references for the same reason.
Oct. 31, 2008, 2:15 p.m. CST
by Han Cholo
I hope Robinson says something like this in the movie. That would be dope.
Oct. 31, 2008, 2:36 p.m. CST
You deserve this suceess. Even though Jersey Girl was a flop. At least you were branching out of the Jersey universe. I loved Clerks 2. Yet it was way overdue for you to break some newish ground. I hope this movie is a big hit for you. My gut feeling says this will be your highest grossing movie by a long shot. You are a talented guy. I hope this gives you the confidence to take on some bigger projects.
Oct. 31, 2008, 2:40 p.m. CST
If they are. It would be for the fact they have a reputation in the film business for ripping off and screwing talent. Who have they signed since they burst onto the scene in the early to mid nineties? Name me one talented person they have on their label outside Tarantino. R.R. and K. Smith? Who they signed years ago? I challenge any film maker to read Down and Dirty pictures and then sign a deal with those guys. They'll never learn, look how Fanboys has been handled!!
Oct. 31, 2008, 3:24 p.m. CST
Right now. I can see a thousand different boobies in about five minutes with my FIOS internet. Somehow, I'll manage to have fun today without seeing a thousand and two . . .
Oct. 31, 2008, 3:47 p.m. CST
by Fa Fa Fooey
It's kind of funny to see. It's like everyone likes the guy, and they know most of his flicks are one-dimensional and not very good, yet they are already on record as having been "a fan" of his "work" the now need him to come up with something "kinda good." It's like hoping W. doesn't screw up a press conference or something. Very nice by the way.
Oct. 31, 2008, 4:20 p.m. CST
Just saw your comedy question. <p> Some of my favorites are-- Royal Tennenbaums, Rushmore, Groundhog Day, Bachelor Party, Vacation, and Airheads.
Oct. 31, 2008, 4:32 p.m. CST
Just over a month removed from seeing it, I honestly can't remember all that much about it. It's got a pretty great comedic sense about it though.
Oct. 31, 2008, 4:49 p.m. CST
how many people say they won't see this film purely because Banks does not get her breasts out. If you are so desperate to see breasts, buy a porn magazine. Or go look at a pornographic website. Or get a girlfriend and ask her to show you her mammaries. But for fucks sake, don't lust after a split second shot of the breasticles of an actress! In other news...looking forward to this very much, as a disciple of Smith.
Oct. 31, 2008, 5:02 p.m. CST
Their writing is definitely interchangeable but I just like Smith's characters better.
Oct. 31, 2008, 6:22 p.m. CST
by Snake Foreskin
You think that is the work of a "mature" adult? Gimme a break, you little pussy-weasel. This film is for shit-eating fuckups.
Oct. 31, 2008, 6:23 p.m. CST
by Snake Foreskin
He's fucked up like that!
Oct. 31, 2008, 6:23 p.m. CST
by Snake Foreskin
Oct. 31, 2008, 6:24 p.m. CST
by Snake Foreskin
Which then gets dumped on someone's face.
Oct. 31, 2008, 7:30 p.m. CST
If you don't get it, you never will and there's no way to explain it to you. Unless maybe your testosterone levels increase significantly.
Oct. 31, 2008, 8:52 p.m. CST
I mean it's very very funny at parts, but it's so damn cliche that you could probably write the main plot without ever reading any spoilers. I love Smith but this is the worst of his non-Jersey Girl firms. 6.5/10.
Oct. 31, 2008, 9:30 p.m. CST
This is an important film for Kevin. If it doesn't do well, he'll never be given a budget this large again. Clerks II performed only marginally well.
Oct. 31, 2008, 10:56 p.m. CST
You mean "WOULDN'T" in "And while I would call Smith's script "sophisticated"
Oct. 31, 2008, 11:35 p.m. CST
It's commercial for sure- even cheesy. Slapstick-with-a-message movies I like (SUPERBAD, 40YOVIRGIN). I laughed but I wasn't moved mostly because I didn't buy the romance's progression - HAPHAZARDLY thrown together.
Nov. 1, 2008, 12:35 a.m. CST
Originally it sounded stupid. Teaser trailer was stupid (both actors looked bored). But the more I see about this movie, the better it looks. I think I'll check it out.
Nov. 1, 2008, 1:55 a.m. CST
by Fa Fa Fooey
http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/Movies/10/31/ew.review.zack.miri/index.html But then you knew that already...didn't you?
Nov. 1, 2008, 2:46 a.m. CST
Too inconsistent, too over-the-top, and not believable at all. Funny, but not much else. And I consider myself a Kevin Smith fan, but he clearly expected Rogen to carry the movie, which didn't really happen.
Nov. 1, 2008, 4:30 a.m. CST
by Tipsy McStagger
Nov. 1, 2008, 5:16 a.m. CST
<p> I jokingly said that if Kevin Smith didn't have the balls to show Elizabeth Banks' breasts in a movie about her being in a porno it wasn't going to be good. Sadly, I have to say that I didn't enjoy this movie. I have to agree that all of the "poop" jokes had no soul to them. Ok, yeah, overall it was cute, but I never busted my gut laughing, maybe guffawed if I was lucky. Even the freaking score was out of place (though The Pixies are always appreciated). </p> <p> I defended Clerks 2. I even defended Jersey Girl (felt it was a damn good movie for the genre it was in). But dammit Kevin, I just can't support you on this. Everything just felt too forced. The chemistry was there, but maybe it was the pacing, maybe it was just the fact that the jokes were just flat. Nothing felt natural. I didn't actually feel like they were at the bottom of the barrel. Yeah, the characters told me they were desperate, but I didn't see it, I didn't feel it. </p> <p> Or maybe you need to get out of the comedy business. Stop being afraid of innovation. Stop relying on Jersey, poop jokes, Star Wars references, and Jason Mewes. </p> <p> Or maybe it was just too overhyped. I heard it was going to be one of the funniest first half an hours ever in a movie (Harry maybe said that?) Whatever needs to happen, make it happen, because you are a nice, down-to-earth, chill guy Kevin Smith. </p>
Nov. 1, 2008, 6:29 a.m. CST
by Media Messiah
Kevin Smith is finished. It's now official!!!
Nov. 1, 2008, 8:24 a.m. CST
by dr sauch
Yes, everyone here hates everything. This 'forum' represents like 1% of the AICN, most go to the actual forum, where things are more civilized (somewhat). The TB's are filled with the most socially inept, misanthropic, humanity-hating loonies ever to surf the internet. All of the people here are hate-filled and most likely have serious problems in their personal lives. They all think that they are as qualified to do this job as Harry, Mori, etc, and they all want those same people to notice them. They come here and trash absolutely every movie put out, because they think (as do most mainstream critics) that if they hate everything, people will think that they are deep. You have to ignore these forums, they are filled with the worst kind of people.
Nov. 1, 2008, 8:37 a.m. CST
Everyone thinks they can do it. Well, Kevin Smith clearly can't do it. There's more heart, genuine heart, in the Dracula Musical bar scene in Forgetting Sarah Marshall than in this entire movie. And yes, I know Judd only produced FSM. The difference is nuanced characters. Judd takes the time to develop people you actually care about. Kevin Smith is more concerned with making his 1,347th Star Wars joke.
Nov. 1, 2008, 8:59 a.m. CST
by Gus Van Rant
You heard it here first.
Nov. 1, 2008, 10:34 a.m. CST
In that the first 2/3 work and the last 1/3 not so much. It was funny, it was enjoyable, but the ending kind of fell flat. I know there has to be a progression through a movie, but it just didn't work for me. Plus, the gratuitious (sp) nudity thing is BS. If Smith really felt that way would there be a need to show Mewes' cock and balls?
Nov. 1, 2008, 11:43 a.m. CST
Please look up the definition of gratuitous. Forced nudity because it is expected is gratuitous. Doing something unexpected that plays into that person's character isn't gratuitous.
Nov. 1, 2008, 12:30 p.m. CST
The jokes were funny... the movie was all over the place. It was an SNL sketch.
Nov. 1, 2008, 12:45 p.m. CST
by IndyAbbey Jones
thats what i wanna know, how much nudity and who is the one getting naked?
Nov. 1, 2008, 1:18 p.m. CST
One chick in the beginning gets full frontal naked when Craig Robinson is checking out all the girls. Traci Lords I believe did not, or it wasn't memorable (sorry Traci). The other porn star got very naked with her boobs, but that's about it. We see Seth Rogen's chest and stomach. Jason Mewes balls and dick.
Nov. 1, 2008, 1:20 p.m. CST
In a way it's heartening to see this movie fail. Had it succeeded that would mean there were far more sad, lonely people than I'd like to believe actually exist. Actually, the fact that a Smith movie has never crossed the $30 million barrier is oddly encouraging as well... Smith fans can give all the excuses they want. This movie is R rated people, the trick or treating had nothing to do with it. Young adults are rejecting this movie for the sad, desperate attempt at titilation that it is. Had this been a MUST SEE event, Halloween would not have kept butts out of seats. If anything, more people will go to parties tonight now that the work week hang over has been slept off. For a great review of this film by someone who lives in the real world (and not a mouth breathing basement dweller), see below. http://www.filmfreakcentral.net/screenreviews/zackandmiri.htm
Nov. 1, 2008, 1:33 p.m. CST
Nov. 1, 2008, 2:19 p.m. CST
by Leafy McPlantsalot
I really thought this was going to be the flick that broke kevin smith out, financially at least. This flick is going to open to 8 or 9 million tops... why? Rogen is really on the up right now, the material matches what rogen has done well in. i don't get this. Truly. thoughts?
Nov. 1, 2008, 3:29 p.m. CST
Taking pleasure and glee from the shortcomings and failures of others? Assholes. Smith is one of the more humble and least pretentious people in Hollywood. You have an industry full of egotistical, coke-addled scumbags and you pick on the quiet guy from Jersey? God, what failures the lot of you are. And Airheads? You bag on Apatow and Smith and one of your favorite comedies is fucking Airheads? You've officially lost all credibility, your arguments are meaningless, kill yourself now. Your wife will divorce you, your kids are embarrassed by you. Finally, I think the reason Anderson comedies are so great is the fact that they're not fucking funny. I looked for some jokes in the Royal Tennenbaums, but fell asleep in the midst of suicidal tennis players and old dudes married to flat-chested pretentious bitches. Are Wes Anderson films well made? Yes. Funny? No.
Nov. 1, 2008, 3:43 p.m. CST
by IndyAbbey Jones
really, we should have seen some rogan weiner in other chicks anus..or something like that i', drunk
Nov. 1, 2008, 4:02 p.m. CST
by Media Messiah
Why should we praise someone who doesn't deserve it??? I gave Smith a chance. Mall Rats was an interesting "teen fun" movie, but Dogma and all of his other over-hyped movies sucked, and I, as a consumer, shouldn't have to pay for it, and therefore, I won't anymore???!!!<BR><BR>Smith is now getting "corporate welfare" from Hollywood!!! Most people don't get the second, third and fourth chances this man has gotten, and yet, just like George Bush, he has thrown them away everytime???!!! I am not bashing Smith or enjoying his downfall, it is just an observation of the truth...the guy is a hack!!! He hasn't elevated his game, nor is he trying to do that!!! Why should he when Harvey Weinstein is willing to give him 42 million dollars to make a movie just because he are his close friend, one who bows and scrapes before him, and no other reason? Again, that is called "corporate welfare", keeping your friends employed, to the exclusion of others, even when they...your friends, don't deserve it!!! That is why the Weinstein Company is going broke. They have gotten too chummy with Smith, Tarantino, and Rodriguez and allowed these guys to turn out schlock movie after schlock movie at the cost of the company, with close to zero returns...and not one of the Weinsteins has told these idiots to straighten up...get off the booze and drugs, stop the all the parties, stop fucking the actresses they cast in their movies, and deliver films of substance, or else they will show them the door!!!
Nov. 1, 2008, 4:09 p.m. CST
by Media Messiah
Why should we praise someone who doesn't deserve it??? I gave Smith a chance. Mall Rats was an interesting "teen fun" movie, but Dogma and all of his other over-hyped movies sucked, and I, as a consumer, shouldn't have to pay for it, and therefore, I won't anymore???!!! <BR><BR> Smith is now getting "corporate welfare" from Hollywood!!! Most people don't get the second, third and fourth chances this man has gotten, and yet, just like George Bush, he has thrown them away everytime???!!! I am not bashing Smith or enjoying his downfall, it is just an observation of the truth...the guy is a hack!!! He hasn't elevated his game, nor is he trying to do that!!! Why should he when Harvey Weinstein is willing to give him 42 million dollars to make a movie just because he is his close friend, one who regularly bows and scrapes before him, and no other reason? Again, that is called "corporate welfare", keeping your friends employed, to the exclusion of others, even when they...your friends, don't deserve it!!! That is why the Weinstein Company is going broke.<BR><BR>They have gotten too chummy with Smith, Tarantino, and Rodriguez and allowed these guys to turn out schlock movie after schlock movie at the cost of the company, with close to zero returns...and not one of the Weinsteins has told these idiots to straighten up...get off the booze and drugs, stop all the parties, stop fucking the actresses they cast in their movies, and deliver films of substance, or else they will show them the door!!!
Nov. 1, 2008, 5:06 p.m. CST
I keep going to Smith's movies hoping to see another Chasing Amy, but he gets further and further away from that level every time. This movie is terrible and I'm sorry I was one of the few who saw it. Only Craig Robinson is watchable. Everything else about it is worthless.
Nov. 1, 2008, 5:22 p.m. CST
But almost all of their films turn a profit. Just because Bumfuck McGillicuddy from www.shitstain.com doesn't like his movies doesn't mean that the company isn't making a profit from them. Aside from Jersey Girl and Grindhouse, I can't think of movies they did that didn't turn a profit. So you guys on here can't cry yourselves to sleep that your po-mo soft-core slasher movie that will reinvent the genre won't get a glance from fuckin' Script Girl, and the professionals and others who put their money, time and balls on the line will continue to make good livings doing exactly what they want to do. I'm sure everyone here is perfectly content selling DVDs at Best Buy.
Nov. 1, 2008, 6:51 p.m. CST
How much does that high horse cost? or do you rent?
Nov. 1, 2008, 7:38 p.m. CST
Will wonders never cease?
Nov. 1, 2008, 7:42 p.m. CST
I love how this excuse keeps coming up. Yeah, he's probably a nice guy. Whatever. His movies still suck. I'm not trying to sound "deep" by having a negative opinion. I'm sorry that stating it makes you uncomfortable to the point where you feel you have to analyze me to try and grasp why someone has a different point of view on something than you do. Now go back to watching Catch and Release or Degrassi or whatever the fuck you were doing.
Nov. 1, 2008, 8:05 p.m. CST
Per your suggestion I looked it up. Gratuitous: Synonyms 2. unnecessary, superfluous, redundant; causeless, unreasonable, groundless, unprovoked, unjustified. Mewes' scene at the end did not need to be a nude scene, therefore I think it qualifies. Even if the scene itself necessitated him being nude, the shot of his balls definitely would fall into the definition. Just because it is a man getting naked and not a woman does not mean that it's not gratuitous. They could have had that scene, had it known that Mewes was naked, much like when Miri was in the shower without actually showing it. It was done for a laugh, which is no more or less important than doing it to be titilating.
Nov. 1, 2008, 8:17 p.m. CST
by Media Messiah
Point taken, but the Weinsteins need more than a film or films that barely break even at the box office, or earn a slight profit their or on DVD, they at the studio, need major profits...and we are talking block buster numbers, back to back, to back. I would advise them to make a few low budgeted super hero films to begin with, some family films (i.e. animation), and maybe a by the numbers scare movie like the one I have written (but with a fun twist on the genre). These should be all low cost, high concept projects, and will have high potential for Box Office return...or at least, on DVD and in other after markets, including cable and broadcast television!!!! <BR><BR>The Weinsteins should be attempting to build franchises and they need their big guns to make films that will deliver big profits, ones leaning toward the mainstream commercial demographic, and even films like Pulp Fiction, to net them renewed respect during awards season. It's a fair trade, you get serious and give me 3 or 4 films that I can turn into major profits, and we at the studio, will give you 1 vanity film... versus that 3 or 4 mainstream films. Instead, it has been all vanity project based films from these filmmakers and nothing aimed at protecting the bottomline of the studio, or each other's asses, and that is reckless, so reckless this company may be facing bankruptcy???!!!
Nov. 1, 2008, 8:22 p.m. CST
by Media Messiah
Point taken, but the Weinsteins need more than a film or films that barely break even at the Box Office, or earn a slight profit there, at the Box Office, or on DVD, they at the studio, need major profits...and we are talking block buster numbers, back to back, to back. I would advise them to make a few low budgeted super hero films to begin with, some family films (i.e. animation), and maybe a by the numbers scare movie like the one I have written (but with a fun twist on the genre). These should be all low cost, high concept projects, and will have high potential for Box Office return...or at least, on DVD, and in other after markets, including cable and broadcast television!!!! <BR><BR> The Weinsteins should be attempting to build franchises and they need their big guns to make films that will deliver big profits, ones leaning toward the mainstream commercial demographic, and even films like Pulp Fiction, to net them renewed respect during awards season. It's a fair trade, you get serious and give me 3 or 4 films that I can turn into major profits, and we at the studio, will give you 1 vanity film... versus that 3 or 4 mainstream films. Instead, it has been all vanity project based films from these filmmakers and nothing aimed at protecting the bottomline of the studio, or even at protecting each other's asses, and that is reckless, so reckless in fact, that this company may be facing bankruptcy???!!!
Nov. 1, 2008, 8:49 p.m. CST
True, there are many nice guys who suck at their jobs, including people in Hollywood. However, Smith is not ruining beloved franchises like Ratner or Bay. He does his own shit. Furthermore, what jollies can one get out of going to a place where fans of someone you're not a fan of congregate? I don't like the Yankees, therefore I have no interest in going to a Yankees board and talking about how much they suck. I don't like trannies, therefore I will not join a tranny discussion group and talk about how the people there are disgusting. If you do not care for Kevin Smith, I see no reason to go onto a board where his movie has been given a good review to talk about how he sucks and deserves to be shot execution-style for ever taking a camera away from the next Wes Anderson, Christopher Nolan or Gregory Dark.
Nov. 1, 2008, 8:50 p.m. CST
What's with all the amended posts? Write it out right the first time. Also, you have a movie that can turn a profit? Then raise the money and shoot it your own fucking self. If all these "hacks" can do it and get rich, what's stopping you besides lack of balls or stupidity?
Nov. 1, 2008, 9:32 p.m. CST
This is a perfect example of How the weinsteins have lost their minds-. Everyone knows Smith is a Comic book guru- he loves em, owns a shop in Jersey...Yet why can't this guy get a studio to give him a superhero franchise? Easy- he sucks as a film maker! why would you invest 200 million in a film a hand the reigns to him? ( who knows if that Superman talk was real about him writing it- I doubt it ) But shit- they gave the Director of Simon Birch Daredevil !!!!!! Ha Ha- that must chap his ass. Truth is- his films early on showed these "regular guys" speakign with $10 words & that was annoying. Look- Chasing Amy was gold- but Dogma, J&SBSB were shit- He could have reddmed himself with Clerks 2- but he forgot a very important part of Clerks- mentioning the customers!! He could have really made us laugh by makign fun of fast food customers but he dropped the ball and did the usual star wars bullshit..How can you make a sequel to Clerks and not mention the terrible customers ?
Nov. 1, 2008, 9:43 p.m. CST
saw it today. hilarious from bginning to end. forget the haters. if you are determined to find something wrong, you will always be able to. if you are determined to laugh and have a great time, go see this movie!
Nov. 1, 2008, 10:05 p.m. CST
by The Crystal Skull
Really, really, good. Jeff Anderson getting frosted was one of the funniest scenes in modern day comedies.
Nov. 1, 2008, 10:31 p.m. CST
But he's not a director. Period. Director's don't just decide on camera angles - the help shaper performaces, set the tone. Kevin's films are full of mediocre performances. The guy is a phenomenal writer, and by all accounts a fantastic guy, but not only is he directing his films, he's also editing them?! He needs to give up some control. That's where Judd is smart and Kevin is not. I hope this film makes at least half its money back, but it isn't looking good.
Nov. 1, 2008, 10:47 p.m. CST
Just got back from seeing it. There are some definitely funny bits, but I did feel that it lacked a certain something... it just didn't feel genuine. And I could tell that's what Smith was going for, it didn't feel like a cartoon like Clerks and such, it felt ALMOST real, amidst all the bullshit, but it didn't quite get there. It wasn't the silly stuff, just the dialogue wasn't quite there with regard to the heartfelt stuff. The balance wasn't quite right. But I'd give it a B, not quite a B+ or an A, but overall it was a fun time at the movies. Elizabeth Banks IS adorable though! Too bad she doesn't show any skin (other than bra and panties).
Nov. 1, 2008, 10:54 p.m. CST
they'd have been great gay lovers for the porno
Nov. 1, 2008, 11:01 p.m. CST
*sswipe fanboy virgins who could never lay someone like Elizabeth Banks. In many ways, this is Smith's best. First, I think from a technical perspective, it's far superior filmmaking than before. I don't buy Smith's comments that it only looks better because the porn stars helped him out. The only thing that didn't feel right was his wife, who 3 movies later has not taken ANY acting lessons. SHe was actually better in Clerks 2 for some reason. In any event, I do feel a lot was missing: no Kevin Smith, for starters. No gratuitous cameos. But it was a solid flick, with some of the funniest shtick I've seen in a while. The thing is, this movie works because there is genuine chemistry between Seth "Chewbacca" Rogan and Elizabeth "Nummy nummy num-num Banks". I wish Rogen would drop a few pounds and get braces, cause his face is disgusting. But it's a far more believable idea than Rogen getting Katherine Heigl.
Nov. 1, 2008, 11:02 p.m. CST
Surprisingly, there were very few ta tas in this movie. But as for Elizabeth Banks not bearing them, I thought there was a great explanation for it in the movie. It felt organic to the plot. Contrast that with Rogen/Katherine Heigl. There was no reason for HIM to be naked, not her, and for her to be on top AND wearing a bra.
Nov. 1, 2008, 11:05 p.m. CST
was an amazing movie underrated in its time
Nov. 1, 2008, 11:11 p.m. CST
by Media Messiah
And just because you are in a gang, or have a gun, won't make you, or me, the next John Gotti. Making movies and raising cash for said movies often takes connections, just like being in the mob, and if you don't have them, you don't have them, and you may be the king of your street, but you certainly won't become the Don of New York, even if you are brave enough, and ruthless enough to assume the role. My point is, deserving or not, not everybody is going to be the next whomever. I am sure you know plenty of guys with bands who make the Jonas Brothers look like the joke they really are, but, most likely, your friends, or perhaps you, will never make it, because Disney money, or whomever else's money is not behind you...and it often takes millions to break someone as a star, that is a fact.<BR><BR>So, with those odds, who stands a chance of becoming the next, "It" person, the next Spielberg, Oprah, Obama, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs...or even Uwe Boll, Kevin Smith, or Ed Wood for that matter, you'll notice the different levels of success, fame and infamy, but who knows??? Sometimes you are Joe nobody one day, and through a chance meeting, you become "Joe, The Plumber" the next day...or Kevin Smith...the hack filmmaker, and then you become Kevin Smith the hack filmmaker with a multi-million dollar movie deal.<BR><BR>It is about varying degrees of playing the lottery, and winning it, or just being there, in the right place, at the right time, whether you deserve it or not, all becomes irrelevant, at least to you, because what is relevant is the fact that you won; but that doesn't make you great at what you do, it just means that you got lucky, good, or bad, or just plain indifferent!!!<BR><BR>Oh, and when I make a mistake in writing, out of respect to anyone who may be reading that writing, you in this case, I like to correct my mistakes as best I can. I have a rare eye disease, as well, I have dyslexia, so some things slip through, and when I find them, I like to fix them as best I can.
Nov. 1, 2008, 11:23 p.m. CST
haven't seen clerks2, but the whole theater enjoyed this one
Nov. 2, 2008, 12:37 a.m. CST
Please let this be a Kevin Smith film and not an Apatow wannabe film.
Nov. 2, 2008, 12:46 a.m. CST
You're right. I take that one back. I had heard that his character's ability is get hard, and that they showed his dick. I hadn't seen the film yet and assumed they showed his dick in connection with his character. The Mewes nudity at the end was very gratuitous, especially the ball shot as he bent over. Funny perhaps, but really gratuitous. Having seen the film now I say it is on par with Clerks 2. Touching in moments, really funny in others. Still doesn't touch Chasing Amy. And despite hiring some of Apatow's crew, never did I feel like this was an Apatow film. Actually, this was the most "Hollywood" film Smith has ever done. It varied from the Smith/Apatow type films in which characters rant off topic just to tell jokes. The film was pretty tight and stuck to the plot. The furthest it ventured from the main plot was to focus on the gay couple for two minutes. Smith has often said that his brother feels there is never any gay content that a gay audience can relate with in movies, so Smith took two minutes to demonstrate that a gay couple is like a normal couple.
Nov. 2, 2008, 1:09 a.m. CST
Dang, man. I always thought I'd likely hate your guts in real life, but after seeing your list of fav comedies... shit, we'd prolly be pals. Add in Fletch and Caddyshack and it's dead-on.
Nov. 2, 2008, 1:58 a.m. CST
When you have an entire country freak out over a boob on the superbowl, I think it has repression issues about sex. When arguably one of the biggest comedic stars currently running can't make a flick about porn a hit, I think it has less to do with the quality of the film, and more that y'all don't get people, publicly,going to movies about fuckin'. At yet everybody likes Saw. How bout that.
Nov. 2, 2008, 8:20 a.m. CST
You can do it Mr Smith! Just Apply yourself to another Genre please! Film it and they will come!
Nov. 2, 2008, 9:02 a.m. CST
i bet "red state" is going to be awesome
Nov. 2, 2008, 10:23 a.m. CST
Ender: Wow someone that is civil on a Talkback? Maybe Obama is changing things... TallBoy66: The entire country didn't freak out, the unsilent minority and the press freaked out. Even though it was possible to find someone who was bothered by it most people didn't really care. It was just a titty, no big deal. Lastly I've seen the whole nudity equity thing mentioned here and elsewhere as far as male/female nudity. It's all bullshit. Name 1 mainstream movie other than Basic Instinct that showed female genitals...can't do it. Bush is not genitals. However you can easily name at least a handful of movies that show dicks.
Nov. 2, 2008, 4:55 p.m. CST
by blue meanie
There were definitely lots of funny moments in this movie, but "Zak and Miri" didn't really cut for me, unlike a lot of Kevin Smith's geek pleasing movies. It felt phony. Since Judd Apatow is the new king of movie comedy, it seems Smith is desperate to cash in on his success by aping his version of an Apatow movie. I felt like I was watching Part II of "Jersey Girl" with Jason Mewes doing a Dirk Diggler at the end of the movie. Whenever Smith does his New Jersey shtick with Jay and Silent Bob, the movies work, because they are a microcosm of his world which he knows so well and can genuinely express in his movies. Whenever he tries to go mainstream, he falls into the same cookie cutter comedy formula that the studios dictate. "Knocked up" was funny, but it soon became such a predictable, uninspired drag of a chick flick, and this movie also becomes a predictable, contrived formulaic disappointment. Kevin, stop doing Judd Apatow, and go back where you came from.
Nov. 2, 2008, 5:24 p.m. CST
Fuck all haters. I liked it. It's a funny movie. Sure, it's not his best, but with everything that's been going on, I needed a laugh. My 401K has been cut in half, and no matter who the President is in the U.S., the economy is going to be bent over for a few years, taking it in the constipated ass. Kevin Smith rocks. Go see "High School Musical" again, and leave us alone.
Nov. 2, 2008, 5:44 p.m. CST
Just because someone does his own shit doesn't make said shit not suck. Take David Lynch for example...he does his own shit, and people either love it or hate it as well. I happen to love it. If someone hates it, I don't get offended. That's just their opinion. Anyway, Zac and Miri had gotten a bad review on this page, would I then be allowed to express my dislike? This isn't a Kevin Smith board. This is aintitcool, where people are free to state their own opinion. If you don't like it, ignore it, and don't take it to heart! I don't get butthurt or bash you because you enjoy his stuff.
Nov. 2, 2008, 8 p.m. CST
In the extras of the Clerks 2 dvd KS states that he was approached to do Green Lantern, and decided not to agree to do it due to his limitations as a director. <p> Some directors have a comfort zone, and Smith's comfort zone is smaller fare with little sizzle, but tons of steak. Theres nothing wrong with kn owing your limits...and Smith knows his. <p> Also, I'm a big fan of his movies...Dogma especially...and ALL his movies have distinct subjects and themes that are well explored. And dick and fart jokes. But really, who's too good to laugh at a good dick joke? <P> Why do Smith's movies underperform? Marketing? Bad luck? Most likely it's because Smith has been labelled as the dick and fart guy by people too lazy to actually watch his movies and how he explores each theme.
Nov. 2, 2008, 10:19 p.m. CST
I like some of Kevin Smith's work in the past but I'm not over the moon about films like J&SB Strike back, Jersey Girl & Clerks II. I think this is easily his best movie.
Nov. 3, 2008, 12:58 a.m. CST
This was supposed to be his biggest shot into the mainstream success with Rogan and Banks. Instead he couldn't wake up any more than his usual moron fanbase. I expect he's eaten 89 pints on Ben and Jerry's this weekend.
Nov. 3, 2008, 1:43 a.m. CST
That retard decided to do ANOTHER show with Fox? Because they treated him with so much respect the last time. Good luck on the unemployment line, Joss.
Nov. 3, 2008, 1:57 a.m. CST
Nov. 3, 2008, 4:01 a.m. CST
I have to agree on that one!
Nov. 3, 2008, 4:40 a.m. CST
by Kevin Bosch
You sure do like comas don't you? And stretching analogies to the limit. Are you at all aware of how Kevin Smith made it? He wasn't discovered. He didn't have connections. He didn't win the lottery. And he was a mob boss, which you, apparently, in your infinite wisdom, believe, unequivocally, is necessary, and even mandatory. He sold his comics collections, borrowed money from his parents and maxed out credit cards. He made a quirky little independent film that made it into well known film festivals, where it sold to a distributer, and went on to become one of the highest grossing films relative to budget. This fact does not make all of his films great, but it does at least earn him the right to make movies, if somebody decides to keep giving him money to do so. But if you want to keep thinking that you can't be successful unless your lucky or born with connections, then that will probably be the case with you.
Nov. 3, 2008, 1:22 p.m. CST
by Karl Childers
Zack and Miri Make A Flop! It's good to know that people realize what one-trick ponies Smith and Rogen are.
Nov. 3, 2008, 6:21 p.m. CST
Because it only made 10 million in three days? lol Get outta here. Some of you (who more than likely haven't seen this film and rarely PAY to see any movies) just sound like the haters you are. First, for an R rated comedy with the word Porn in the title, one that was NOT easy to advertise, the opening isn't bad at all. Since the budget hasn't been given yet, we have no idea how close it is to turning a profit. But KS doesn't make ridiculously expensive movies to begin with, and it's well known that his films KILL on DVD. So relax on that already. I mean, really, do any of you know how many Woody Allen movies have turned a profit in theaters? Anybody? For those of you who enjoy his films, does it matter? KS isn't trying to rule Hollywood. He's not even trying to own a piece. Instead, he's made his own path, and those of us who enjoy his writing/directing will continue to support his films no matter what kind of haterade the rest of y'all keep chugging. <br> <br> In regards to the film itself, I really enjoyed it, and I agree with a lot of what's already been said. It WAS nice to have a laugh. It was nice to see a REAL adult comedy. I'd put this in the upper half of Smith's films, but not at the top. Not sure if anybody mentioned it or not, but I'd love to see more with the same characters. I WILL be purchasing the DVD the day it's released. <br><br> The only negative I can think of is also one of the positives, so I'm hesitant to even mention it. But... ya know... I'm gonna anyway. As much as I LOVE that Smith is starting to work with other people (I hope this continues, as JG does not suck either), I think that some people may be suffering from Rogen burnout. I know I was on the way in to the theater. But by the time we were 30 minutes in I'd forgotten that and really started getting into his performance here. I do think the world needs a short break from the man, but I also look forward to seeing what he does next.
Nov. 3, 2008, 6:29 p.m. CST
...is a great one. People "keep giving KS money to make movies". He's not making films with his own money anymore and probably never will. That means there are people out there (hey Weisteins! lol) who feel that Smith is worth the invesment, even though there are uncountable stories and directers out there that would be less of a risk to work with.
Nov. 3, 2008, 11 p.m. CST
When I saw it, it was a near empty theater, and it only did 2 million on Friday. Yet it hit 10 million for the weekend. People went home and told their friends it was a good movie, and word of mouth carried it to a #1 finish for the weekend. That word of mouth signifies that the movie isn't a failure, and that the film is going to turn a profit. It is rare to see movies go up. Usually they go down from opening day on.