Oct. 31, 2008, 6:08 a.m. CST
Oct. 31, 2008, 6:17 a.m. CST
i know you said the first one is character driven, but how's the action? Is it just like a Romero zombie shoot em up or is there more to it than that?
Oct. 31, 2008, 6:23 a.m. CST
Personally, I think Dogville is one of Nicole Kidmans best ever performances. <p> It's difficult for someone so grounded in movies, I guess, to see something which amounts to a play, where all the scenery is replaced by the ability of the audience member to become a roving omnipresent point of view. This POV is taken for granted in movies, but not in plays. <p> It really is a different genre. <p> And yes, Kingdom is all kinds of awesome, but that's just my opinion. Yours will no doubt vary.
Oct. 31, 2008, 6:36 a.m. CST
by Boba Fat
But haven't seen 2 in a loooong time, 20 years?, and remember being unimpressed. I will give it another go, two decades later, on this strong recommendation and the death by sun-bed scene still sticks with me, but remember being more cheesy than scary. So, do the other Halloween titles go back into the AMAD list or do they disappear? I'm guessing it will be hard to link them all together, but was looking forward to a Mother Of Tears review and The House With Laughing Windows. Which I'm planning on watching tonight.
Oct. 31, 2008, 6:39 a.m. CST
by Dr Eric Vornoff
so Bride of Frankenstein, the Old Dark House, The Raven, Abott and Costello meet Frankenstein etc, etc don't count?
Oct. 31, 2008, 6:41 a.m. CST
"tight pussy, loose shoes, and a warm place to shit.” ----> that's a line (and hilarious song) from Kentucky Fried Movie, Quint. Furthermore this movie isn't Dogme since von Trier started the whole Dogme thing years after completing this movie. Having said all that.... yes, it isn't very good & you should have watched "the Kingdom", "the Element of crime" or "Europa" instead
Oct. 31, 2008, 6:53 a.m. CST
5 letter word for stuff like... 5 letter word for stuff like... <P>Horse head bookend dude sorta looks and sounds like Russell Crowe but creepy like. Love the lacquer job on the finished horse head. Movie is fucking dumb as hell, but funny. A meowing piss farting dog. Fixing a broken piece of chicken with a rubber band. Gum on stairs. Galoshes, Death by eggplant, paper clip, horse head book end. Jizz running out of the talking end of a phone. The blind leading the crippled. warning captions posted for unlocked doors. fuck theres even a scene were sign language interpreter hands pop up in the right hand corner of the scene. Fuck... If that doesn't scream 1980's (no closed caption back then kids). The film just doesn't fucking stop. The humor of the breather- as my dad puts it is a little bit Jewish for some taste. Fuck it, I love this movie. It's just wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, but in a good way. Fuck theres even a scene that riffs on the PBS bloodhound gang "Whos the Killer"..
Oct. 31, 2008, 6:54 a.m. CST
Meaning the Dogma-movement started in 95, eight years after Epidemic. Epidemic is just a part of Von Triers Europe Trilogy. Epidemic is just Von Trier being, Von Trier. Don't like it? That's fine, but don't call it a Dogme when it isn't.
Oct. 31, 2008, 6:55 a.m. CST
I hate being out of the loop.
Oct. 31, 2008, 6:56 a.m. CST
How can a movie from 1987 be part of the Dogme ('95) movement? And yes 'Dogme' is the Danish spelling. And yes, they're mostly crap.
Oct. 31, 2008, 6:57 a.m. CST
is the first film to parody the Slasher Genre. Not the first Horror Comedy.
Oct. 31, 2008, 7:01 a.m. CST
started in...1995! Not sure what the point of your Dogme rant was. Epidemic is not a Dogme film. Period. You also seem to have some misconceptions about the Dogme movement.
Oct. 31, 2008, 7:08 a.m. CST
by Dr Eric Vornoff
It may well be but on the box it says 'The World's First Horror Comedy', which is clearly bollocks.
Oct. 31, 2008, 7:14 a.m. CST
I'm a Lars Von Trier sceptic, but he didn't make more than one Dogme film before moving on. It was just an idea they had, I don't think it's any coincidence that the movement came out after the birth of the cgi blockbuster. It was really about provoking thought and bringing some balance to filmmaking. The originators of the movement were certainly less irritating than the proponents of so called Mumblecore.
Oct. 31, 2008, 7:22 a.m. CST
ludicrous and annoyingly earnest.. he virtually apologizes for the film in the extras.
Oct. 31, 2008, 7:22 a.m. CST
Been a long time since i've seen it, but didn't it end with a helicopter falling the roof of the cinema so people could escape or something? What the fuck was that all about?
Oct. 31, 2008, 7:23 a.m. CST
by Dr Eric Vornoff
my earlier comment was aimed at DRACULA_WANTS_THE_AMULET not evolvingsesblty
Oct. 31, 2008, 7:25 a.m. CST
Oct. 31, 2008, 7:29 a.m. CST
...but of course this just means that nobody has signed that weird manifesto by then. So just because Lars von Trier didn'T have a name for that lazy ass filmmaking (And yes, I 100% agree with you!), doesn't mean it sucks as much.<br> The funny thing is that this kind of filmmaking made it really much easier to make a movie. You don't have to care if your audience likes it or if it looks amateurish. All you have to say is" No, it's art! Probably just too smart for you!" It even already moved into the mainstream! Look at BSG! Camers is always shaking and we even get out-of-focus close ups of actors, while they are talking! Not too long ago I was working in a small advertising agency. Most of the time I was cutting the commercials that we shot, but from time to time, I had to take over the camera. Well, my problem is that I have a very weak back and because of this had problems to to keep the camera steady (even if it just was a XL-1). One day my boss seriously yelled at me after he saw what I shot, because it looked like...well...BSG! (Without the focus problems). He said I ruined it and he will lose lots of money and don't want to explain the customer why he have to re-shoot it! Okay, in the end it wasn't THAT bad, because after the commercial was cut together, the customer liked it. (Like I said: A small agency, which means small customers. And if you tell these people that "it looks like a professional comemrcial", they believe it.) And even if my boss was an asshole anyway, he was right about this! It looks amateurish! I appreciate the idea of Dogma, because even I thought from time to time stuff like: "Why does a movie need music?", but it's just unnecessary. They could have tried it once or twice, end then let it die!<br> Happy Halloween, by the way!
Oct. 31, 2008, 7:29 a.m. CST
by Boba Fat
Yes it did, and also managed to chop a few Demons heads off in the process. It's fucking crazy,but that's why I love Italian Horror cinema.
Oct. 31, 2008, 7:42 a.m. CST
by Dr Eric Vornoff
...just a politicized form of Cinema Verite, which has been around a very long time. And what's with this narrow-minded definition of 'cinematic'? I'm guessing guessing Quint doesn't much care for Blair Witch or Cloverfield or REC or any number of other deliberately unaestheticsized films.(is that a word? it should be). Just because something's made to look artless doesn't mean there's no artistry involved.
Oct. 31, 2008, 8 a.m. CST
But calling it the First Horror Comedy is Just Inaccurate!! Does Anyone Remember Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein??? or The Munsters?!?!?!
Oct. 31, 2008, 8:07 a.m. CST
It is still A Better Comedy than Any of The Scary Movie Film!
Oct. 31, 2008, 8:09 a.m. CST
... your comment that just because the manifesto hadn't been signed yet doesn't mean that it can't be a Dogme movie is fine and correct as far as it goes... except the movie under discussion has very few similarities with Dogme movies beyond a certain familial resemblance that's more due to having the same director than being part of the same movement. It's obvious Quint hated the movie - which is fine, it's my least favourite of von Trier's earlier films - but it is NOT Dogme. It's like lumping cinema verite in with the French New Wave. Sure, they have a few similarities, and there's some genetic connections that are interesting, but anyone who watched Pierrot le Fou or Jules and Jim or Hiroshima Mon Amour and said "See, this is why I hate cinema verite" would be barking up the wrong tree. Wouldn't change the fact that they hated the movies, but they'd still be wrong on the classification. Quint hated it - not going to argue the toss on that one - but correcting his misconception isn't about trying to change his opinion on the quality or lack thereof of the film. On the other hand, agree 100% with the critique of the shakycam aesthetic you made. Get a damn tripod for heaven's sake! Or rent a Steady Cam for a couple of days!
Oct. 31, 2008, 8:12 a.m. CST
by Shut the Fuck up Donny
I could write pages about what I love about that movie. I'm glad you brought it to life so other people could see it. <p> I'm not going to say it's a "good" movie, but it totally belongs in the pantheon of Fun Italian Horror from the 70's and 80's. <p> I'll have to watch Demons 2 again, but I never got the impression that part 2 actually took place after the "Demon" apocalypse in the first one. I thought it just went "meta" in the fact that instead of watching a movie in a theatre, there was something coming through the tv, and the movie on tv was actually taking place after the events in the first Demons.
Oct. 31, 2008, 8:21 a.m. CST
I'm fully aware of when Dogme was coined, but if you look at this film with its seemingly all natural lighting, sound recorded in the room with no looping later, giving it that echoey amateurish quality, and minimalist production value I don't see how "different" it is. Just because it wasn't named yet doesn't mean that's not the style. But I don't pretend to be a professor of film styles, so I'm sure there's something in the mis en scene or film stock or something that makes me wrong in calling it dogme, so I apologize for the generalization, but you have to cut me a little slack. It's not like I called it a cinemascope IB Technicolor film that I hated. Trier did start the Dogme movement and this film epitomizes what I hate about the movement, so that's why I lumped them all together.
Oct. 31, 2008, 8:25 a.m. CST
Demoni 2 does not come close to the badassness of Demoni 1; still fun though.
Oct. 31, 2008, 8:26 a.m. CST
by Grammaton Cleric Binks
Yes, Student Bodies was the the original. As far as Epidemic, I think I'll stick with the original Andromeda Strain. Good work again Quint.
Oct. 31, 2008, 8:35 a.m. CST
I really liked Von Trier's DEAR WENDY, a great underrated flick. Breaking the Waves and Dancer in the Dark are both depressing as hell and effective because of it. Demons - now there's a horror series!
Oct. 31, 2008, 8:35 a.m. CST
It should say before there was Scary Movie, and The Worlds First Slasher Comedy.
Oct. 31, 2008, 8:49 a.m. CST
Here's the origin of that demented monologue: Earl Butz was the Secretary of Agriculture under Nixon and Ford. According to Wikipedia: "News outlets revealed a racist remark he made in front of entertainer Pat Boone and former White House counsel John Dean while aboard a commercial flight to California following the Republican National Convention. Time magazine (October 1976) reported: "Butz started by telling a dirty joke involving intercourse between a dog and a skunk. When the conversation turned to politics, Boone, a right-wing Republican, asked Butz why the party of Lincoln was not able to attract more blacks. The Secretary responded with a line so obscene and insulting to blacks that it forced him out of the Cabinet last week and jolted the whole Ford campaign. Butz said that 'the only thing the coloreds are looking for in life are tight pussy, loose shoes and a warm place to shit.'"" This is what the KENTUCKY FRIED MOVIE and EPIDEMIC were referencing - but it's use is a lot more unexpected (and bizarre) in EPIDEMIC.
Oct. 31, 2008, 9:17 a.m. CST
Quint, sorry you're ending this with Student Bodies. In my opinion, it's not a very good film by any stretch of the imagination, let alone one to watch for Halloween. But I guess when you make the rules, you have to abide by the rules. Just wash it down quickly and throw in an old favorite. Quickly.
Oct. 31, 2008, 9:19 a.m. CST
by Bouncy X
i only saw it once back in the 80s...we rented it cuz it looked neat and even back then i remember finding it terribly boring and cheap. i think we didnt even finish it, i wanna say its because i had high taste even as an 11yr old but i liked Elm Street so. lol
Oct. 31, 2008, 9:48 a.m. CST
Lars Von Trier is a fucking dud. I've had chronic diarrhea more interesting than his films, and yes that includes the shit with Bjork dancing like a fucking idiot. <p> But Quint my lad-- I like how you seem to be getting a little angrier in these reviews. Thats good. Let it fly. This sites got too many nice guys. Its time to funnel some love from THE DICK BLOOD!!
Oct. 31, 2008, 10:52 a.m. CST
by a goonie
I love those three movies. I hated Dogme filmmaking for a while, too, but I came to love Lars von Trier when I saw the above-mentioned movies, because it was the story that pulled me in. I wasn't a big fan of Dancer in the Dark because, while the musical numbers were intriguing, it felt as though von Trier was dragging Bjork's character through the mud and beating her down just for the hell of it. The drama wasn't compelling because I didn't believe it. But Breaking the Waves was incredible. So I do recommend those flicks, Quint, if you're ever interested in giving von Trier's work another look.<br><br>That said, I haven't seen either of these Demons flicks! They look and sound fucking awesome!!! Can't wait! Keep up the good work, Quint. This ongoing column continues to impress.
Oct. 31, 2008, 11:16 a.m. CST
by Drunken Rage
"Demons" is a terrific little movie; wish the whole thing took place in the theater, but.... And, yes, I'm one of those who prefers von Trier to Gilliam. Not sure I'd like "Epidemic" but know I hated "Brazil."
Oct. 31, 2008, 11:25 a.m. CST
Probably the best film about writing this side of "Naked Lunch". Honestly. Love this movie to death. We all fall down.
Oct. 31, 2008, 12:39 p.m. CST
by Matthew Martinez
I remember I rented this one night because I'd read so many comments of high praise from horror fans about it. I watched it with a couple friends, and let me just say that they probably would have stoned me to death had I not also picked out Black Christmas (the original, not the shitty, shitty remake) for that evening's viewing. I don't know if I'm just overthinking it, but I couldn't get over how illogical and... well, stupid it was. Okay, so there's this movie that has some sort of curse upon it. My question is, did a group of demons actually go out and shoot this thing? Did they hire a union crew, or did they use other demons? Are the actors in the film demon worshippers, or did they not know beforehand that they were making a cursed movie? Or are we supposed to believe that this movie was somehow just magicked into existence? Honestly, I think the whole movie-reflects-what's-happening-in-reality thing had a lot of potential, but it never really felt like it was fully explored. I'd like to see someone like Charlie Kaufman write a remake of this,--not that I think he would--because I'm sure he'd be able to really explore the concept in a better fashion. My other question is why the demons decided to use implements (i.e., knives, ropes-as-garrottes, etc.) to kill people when they already had huge claws and teeth. Sorry, I'm just not a fan of Demons. Between this and Devilfish, I think it's safe to say that he didn't inherit his father's talent.
Oct. 31, 2008, 12:47 p.m. CST
on your list for this month? It was definately entertaining, with crazy cultists and boobage, but the ending scene/shot was huhhh???
Oct. 31, 2008, 2:38 p.m. CST
by Boba Fat
I felt like they were laughing at me in that last shot for sitting through he film! I hope Quint gets round to it at some point I's be interested in his views
Oct. 31, 2008, 3:11 p.m. CST
to me, that one was a near miss. It has a great apocalyptic buildup, but then the end... it all ends so easily, and so inexplicably. I don't mind Argento's disinterest in plot as long as he can create that nightmare atmosphere, but the climax, to me, really fails to do that. Its just kind of small and over quickly and easily (plus, we never get any indication that she uses her "power" whatever that may be) SPOILER******* and the end, where they both laugh, was just awful and out of place. I really, REALLY wish he had stuck with the color and style of Suspiria and Infero for the final one in the trilogy, because it looks and feels completely different and even unrelated. I would argue that the stylized world he created for Suspiria and Infero would have bumped this into a classic, instead of a just not-as-bad-as-I-feared. It actually has a pretty good plot, unlike Inferno, but lacks the overt, impressionistic style to quite convert that into a masterpiece. Still, has some dynamite bits to it, especially the monkey, which makes a killer antagonist (better, in fact, than the nude and awkward third mother herself).
Oct. 31, 2008, 3:26 p.m. CST
Doesn't work as a horror movie at all, but it's a HELLUVA comedy. One of the most ridiculous, idiotic movies I've seen in a long time...
Oct. 31, 2008, 3:28 p.m. CST
- Student Bodies
Oct. 31, 2008, 4:24 p.m. CST
The dogme film movement isn't about "realism"; in fact it's quite the opposite. The movement draws attention to the artificial techniques cinema uses to replicate reality (i.e. sync sound, multiple audio tracks, invisible editing, etc..). By refusing such norms, the dogme movement seeks to present cinema in its pure form- as a machine of artifice.
Oct. 31, 2008, 6:59 p.m. CST
by Adelai Niska
Movies are supposed to be visual, to consider aesthetics. When you remove "the crutches" that directors use to tell stories, you also remove anything that could possibly indicate whether the director has talent or not. I'd rather have Michael Bay using every technology at his disposal to big a big, stupid visual feast than have some lazy-ass filming in his garage with shit sound and bad lighting in his "intelligent" movie.
Nov. 1, 2008, 2:57 p.m. CST
Paul Greengrass and Recent Ridley Scott movies do. But seriously, its cool if you don't like Dogme movies Quint - I personally don't like multi-million dollar films that can't mix in a tripod, or a shot that lasts over 2.2 seconds. And I really can't stand films that have titles that don't mean anything, like Quantum of Solace. So you go easy on Dogme (and watch Julien Donkey-Boy if you haven't seen it), and I'll leave jittery action films alone too.
Nov. 21, 2009, 2:58 p.m. CST
Demons 2 is still fun, but it's not as good as 1 and both movies are surprisingly scary