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Pulitzer-Winning Playwright May Script SPIDER-MAN 4!!
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David Lindsay-Abaire, who won the Pulitzer Prize last year for his play “Rabbit Hole,” is negotiating to write “Spider-Man 4,” which will reunite director Sam Raimi, star Tobey Maguire and probably Kirsten Dunst. James Vanderbilt (“Basic,” “The Rundown,” “Zodiac”) previously penned a draft.
Lindsay-Abaire previously co-wrote the GGI comedy-adventure “Robots” with Lowell Ganz and Babaloo Mandel.
The plot of “4” is a closely guarded secret, but I’ll bet Spidey pounds some guy with superpowers. Or some girl if it's Black Cat.
Read all of scifiwire’s story on the matter here.
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I haven't even heard of Rabbit Hole until now, but this Lindsay-Abaire sounds like an inspired choice. Here's hoping we finally get to see some Lizard action!
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She was such a jerk about not wanting to do any more of these movies. And it showed in her performances.
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But what was wrong with Vanderbilt's draft, i wonder?
This can't have been up long as there's not yet a deluge of posts calling Raimi a washed-up hack and saying Spidey 3 was the worst the film they've ever seen. ever.
As a Raimi fan I kind of wish he would move on but after the disappoint of 3 (which is nowhere near the car crash some overzealous 'fans' claim it to be) it would be nice to see him make one kickass Spider-Man film which would live up the promise of part 2. -
...the second one written by some prize winning author? And that was a worthless piece of boring junk.
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one of the movie channels tonight. Definitely the least of the three but still highly watchable I think.
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Compared to FF 2 or GhostRider...c'mon..it wasn't THAT bad. It's just 2 was freaking amazing and they couldn't live up to it...and they blew Venom BIG TIME. I'm still pissed about that. But it's not a "horrible" movie. I'm not sure where they can go now...I just hope to god Mary Jane doesn't get kidnapped AGAIN. 3 times is e-fucking-nough.
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WTF? Are you high? Spidey 2 rocks the mountain tops! As for Part 3, i dig it a helluva lot actually, true, some bits were a bit dicey. But i like it. Hoping the new ones (four and five yeah?) and as fantastic as I hope them to be. But please...no numbers in the title this time. Spectacular or Amazing Spider-Man would kick ass.
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Spider-Man 3 was insanely stupid, lazy, and convoluted. On the otherhand, Spider-Man 2 is probably my 2nd favorite superhero movie, so this can still go either way I think. I'm sure Raimi and the producers learned their lessons though.
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Ain't that a fucking treat? Oh! And Raimi is directing again? It just gets better and better. Spider-Man 3 was excellent. Raimi wrote the script...oh wait. That's right, Spider-Man 3 was a total fucking turd. An abomination. Raimi has no understanding of the the character whatsoever. How about those organic webs that blow right out of his wrists? Go Webs! Fuck it, bring in a new writer! Is he going to eliminate the gooey wrist-webs? I somehow doubt it. Poor writer. Doesn't change the fact that you're still going to be sandbagged with the same crew of incompetent Hollywood douchebags that made the first three Spider-Man films blow goat-cock. And Tobey Maguire is closing on 40. It's a middle-aged Spider-Man! The kids will love that. Wait! Maybe we can get Dunst back too. She couldn't care less about the character of Mary Jane Watson, but fuck it, got to keep up continuity! This entire franchise is an unholy abortion. Steve Ditko must be sick to his stomach. Stan Lee is too compromised to care anymore. Tally fucking ho.
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All these cunts should be fired. after you reread a bunch of spidey comics after spidey 3 and then realize that spidey wasn't even funny in 1 & 2 you know it's time to get fresh.
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He got story credit for his draft of 2.
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Darn superhero movies.
I want one to come out about a normal guy who's just really good at killing superheros andhe kills them all in one movie, superman spiderman batman the flash the hulk even badies like the joker doomsday etc. Its just 3 hours of this guy with no name killing ever fucker.
with a body could of over 100 heroes and villans even thoese out of heroes can be used and canno fodder for all i care.
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PLEASE don't use Kirsten Dunst she was the worst MJ.
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Hell, let him write it too.
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Hes the next Parker, you heard it here first.
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Sorry Sam.
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... is that it felt like they were just re-making the first Spidey movie. Sure, they perfected the formula, but it felt wrong to try and make Doc Ock- a character who was just an asshole that suddenly gained some powerful arms- into another Norman Osbourne type of sympathetic evil.
Spidey 3 just shit the bed entirely trying to cram all that graham, once again trying to utilize the sympathetic villain trope with yet another character that didn't need it (Sandman). -
Ever since the first movie Spider-Man has been on a one-way ticket down. Was the first movie that bad? No, but it set so many bad things in motion and wasted so much good potential that the series was doomed. The biggest mistake was using the Green Goblin and a bastardized version of the Death of Gwen Stacy for the first movie. Gwen’s death was one of the greatest heartbreaks in Spider-Man’s life, and would have added much gravitas to the series. They should of saved Norman and Gwen for the second and/or third movies, than they could have beaten The Dark Knight to the punch regarding the death of a hero’s beloved. Another mistake was how they handled Venom. I personally hate the character, but if you are going to use him, use him right. Have the character develop over two or three movies: first movie the suit appears and Spider-Man somehow rejects it, the next movie Eddie Brock develops a grudge against Spider-Man and finds the symbiote, etc. I don’t completely blame Sam Raimi, I think a huge amount of the blame has to go to Avi Arad, Laura Ziskin and the people at Sony.
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Rabbit Hole, Kimberly Akimbo, Wonder of the World. All really incredible plays. I'd rather Abaire write an original screenplay that is more suited to the world he's used to. But better Abaire write SM4 than Douchie McBagBag. Whoever that may be.
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Actually Doc Oct always was a slightly symathetic villain. The accident that fused his tentacles also caused braIn damage, turning him into a paranoid megalomaniac. Norman Osbourne, however, was an asshole even before he became the Green Goblin - he robbed his partner Stromm and then framed him.
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And who the fuck named him? Sounds like the title for a Desi Arnaz song.
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The first one hasn't been remade five times yet.
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She'll be written the same and they would probably get a Dunst look a like if they really had to replace her anyway. I hope I don't spoil anything but in Spider-man 4 MJ --- gasps -- gets kidnapped in the final act and every one has a good cry.
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Larry David as the Vulture is the funniest thing I've read in the entirety of 2008. Maybe I don't get out much, but Jesus, that's genius! Just think...man! It could work! OK, aborting thought now. So funny.
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Won't save the series...
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...if you read that Harold Pinter was going to script a Terminator movie...excited?No,didn't think so,so why be excited by this?
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I don't think you do get out much as Horace Cox is far from the first person to suggest David as the Vulture. there were even rumours he had a cameo in part 3.
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Goblin Generated Imagery perhaps?
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I wouldn't be excited if I read Harold Pinter was to script anything. A great playwright doesn't automatically equal a great screenwriter, they're two different mediums. I'm willing to give Abaire a shot though; he's got to be better than most of the hacks in Hollywood
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I knew something about this story set my spidey-senses tingling. I just googled it and about a year ago Variety ran a story saying Raimi was attached to direct a film version of Rabbit Hole with Nicole Kidman in the lead. What happened to that?
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meh Black Cat.
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Please, just 1 villain. 2 if they are connected in some way that you can actually explain.
Please don't have an hour in the middle where Parker has an identity crisis. Just go back to basics and give us an action packed film with multiple fights to the death. Michael Bay for Spidey 4! -
1 was good... 2 was really good... 3 was absolute shit... The characters played out.
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why bother getting a comic book writer to write a comic book movie? No that doesn't make sense at all. Fuckin Raimi thinks he's shakespeare. He keeps trying to write all these extra layers of meaning into his movies instead of just writing a good comic book/action movie. I realize that the whole father figure thing is an important part of Parker's life, but I prefer a great original fight scene to another mamby pamby emotional dream sequence with Ben Parker lecturing Peter about how with great power comes great responsibility. Please just give me a few damn good extended fight scenes. SPM 2 showed a lot of promise, but fell apart at the end with the repentence of doc oc. I realize doc's comic character is a sympathetic evil character who occasionally reverts back to his good self, but it completely cheapened the movie and was a complete cop-out. Rather than coming up with a real clever way for Spidey to defeat oc and disarm his weapon lets just have the villian defeat himself and then we'll cop-out some more by having spidey reveal who he really is to mary jane because its just to hard to write storylines that involve him hiding his secret identity from her. No more cliche comic action in climatic action scenes either. Like say Spidey stopping a train using his webbing or a villian trying to force spidey to choose between either saving the lives of hundreds of innocent people or 1 or 2 people he really cares about( unless they absolutely know they're gonna hit a home run with it the way they did in Dark Knight when he had to choose between saving the two ships).
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Superman 3 : CRAP
Superman 4 : Quest for peace
Return of the Jedi: CRAP
Phantom FUCKING Menace
Jaws 3 : CRAP
Jaws 4 ?????
Batman and Robin : CRAP
Batman FOREVER ???
Seriously, just FUCKING STOP IT ALREADY!
That horse is DEAD, it's not gonna get up and run.
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...Like a real spider.
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...is the man. That shit made my morning!
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After the perfection of no.2!?Once it missfires around the halfway mark it starts to grate until by the end your clawing to get out the theatre!Sometimes less is more!
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Or as an allegory for teen angst,out of his cock.
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Point taken. Actually, I think it's more like I don't get IN much. As INto the intricate day-to-day, back and forth of the standard AICN talkback. I love this site, and I love the talkbacks, too. But I somehow missed Larry David as the Vulture. It struck me as funny as hell, mostly because a daring writer and director could really make that super-villain hum.
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... THE worst CGI movie EVER? wow, that's promising :-) anyway, I agree with Herc... watch SPIDEY 1 - 3 in a row on Blu-ray, and the third one really works
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I agree, he'd make a great cranky villian. Actually what'd be really cool would be a behind the scenes mockumentary of David playing the Vulture and complaining about the 3 hours it takes every day to get in and out of the ridiculous costume.
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..and yeah, this news is kinda WTF to me
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Excellent point:
"No more cliche comic action in climatic action scenes either. Like say Spidey stopping a train using his webbing or a villian trying to force spidey to choose between either saving the lives of hundreds of innocent people or.."
That was the point where Spider-Man 2 went wrong. No joke intended - the movie went right off the rails right then. That's why it's not a great Spider-Man movie. His mask is removed. Why? Well, to show Tobey MaGuire's face of course. Hollywood is about face, not characters. The subway riders exclaim, "He's just a kid!" And we see this time and time again through this 3 film series. Spidey's mask is ripped off to show the Hollywood actor's face.
These movies aren't about Spider-Man, they're about Peter Parker -- Tobey Maguire. Yet, the poster says "SPIDER-MAN". These films should be called "The Adventures of Peter Parker (sometimes Spider-Man)" The comics never had a problem with keeping Pete inside that super-cool mask (designed by Steve Ditko) for long periods of action. Yet, the movies, at every available opportunity, de-mask Spider-Man. One can only conclude that Sam Raimi HATES Spider-Man. He just doesn't get it. -
Another worthless pile of crud shown simply because of a pair of tits...
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Seriously. Let's break it down to brass tacks. Eddie Brock hates Peter Parker because he humiliated him a couple of times. BooFNhoo. The Alien Symbiote hates Spider-Man because Spidey didn't want to be bound permanently to it. Waaahwaaah. Put that peanut butter and choclate together, you get a little bitch. Sure, cool looking, but Venom is a little bitch.Sure, he's evolved in the comics some over the years. Now he's an anti-hero that occasionally eats people. That's real character development there, I tellz ya.And Raimi hated Venom going into Spidey 3, and I'm guessing because he understood what a non-character he was in the comics. So he had to do his best to make him a character. That meant changing canon and that meant pissing off a great deal of people. At least Raimi didn't do the Charles Atlas/sand kicked in the face Eddie Brock transformation. Eddie works a lot better as the mirror image Peter Parker. Smart, good at his job and feels no responsibility for his actions. And with no responsibility, comes great cockiness. So when Parker/Spidey bucks back against Eddie, humiliates him and sends him crying to the church, it's clear that he will be a completely willing host for the Symbiote and it feed off his anger. And the Symbiote becomes more of a character when it's clear that Peter is rejecting it for the love he feels for M.J. But still, even with those clearly better changes, that peanut butter and chocolate mix together to make a humiliated and rejected little, whiny bitch.
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Everyone knows Dunst was a bad choice. I like her, but she is no Mary Jane, and hearing her call Parker "tiger" makes me cringe. Also, Maguire is too much of a sad sack as Parker (Parker may be a loser, but he's got a lot of heart), and he has no charisma as Spiderman.
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...to people who revere the character. The majority of cinema-goers are not that discerning, certainly not compared to the people on this site.It's a character they recognise, it's going to involve lots of 'whoop-dee-doo' action, they'll be some love interest and the bady will get taken down. Just like the first one, the secon done and the third one. Those box offcie numbers don't lie, people vote with their wallets and they'll swallow anyhting Spidey related, depite what Raimi 'does' to Venom, Gwen Stacy et al.Avergae Joe don't give a shit for comic book canon, so film producers aren't going to give a shit neither.
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There's a lot in there. I am aware and suitably chastened by my lack of keyboard integrity. Meh.
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To satisfy the fanboys? Venom was a by-product (re: turd) of Jim Shooter's "Secret Wars" comics mini-series that was released in the early 1980s. Raimi shit the bed when he acquiesed to have Venom appear in Spider-Man 3. Venom had grown in prominence in the shit-ball, speculator period of the 1990s - where most young fanfucks thought he was the coolest bad-guy EVER. It's sad to even type the history of Venom. Anyway, Raimi could have built an entire film around Sandman for Spider-Man 3. Instead, he made Sandman the killer of Uncle Ben. Sound familiar? (See the first Batman film by Tim Burton) Hollywood loves to tie its stupid bows, and then stack another bad guy on top.(Venom) Raimi had all the source material before him, all the brilliant ideas developed by Lee and Ditko, and he shat on nearly all of it. How about The Lizard? Hinted at in all 3 films, yet, these submentals went for Venom. These Hollywood fucks are OUT TO SEA. Adrift. Clueless. So, enjoy Peter Parker 4, starring a 36 year-old Tobey Maguire, and hey, if you're lucky, you might to get to see Spider-Man. GO WEBS!
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Marvel's initial ideas, and there were tons of them, were for Kraven the Hunter to be hunting down some of the animal type villians in Spidey's rogue gallery (Vulture, Rhino, the Lizard, etc.) Eventually Kraven would turn his sights on Spiderman and the Black Cat who would play a new love interest and add tension to the heavy romantic angle of the previous movies now that James Franco is gone.
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Are any of you serious when you say Spidey 3 was decent? It was laughably bad. It was honestly tough to sit through.
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Skyboy and Dr. Zap need to be in this movie. Spider-Man 3 should only have had Sandman and the new Green Goblin.
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Would love to see someone like Charlie Sheen or Mickey Rourke play him. Someone who knows the highs and lows of hollywood.
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Seriously, Spider-man 3 ruined the franchise. I can't believe it made so much money. Look, I like Raimi and I thought Spider-man and Spider-man 2 were ok, but he needs to move on. Do something different. The writing credits of Lindsay-Abaire ("Robots"), worries me. I don't know. I just think someone else needs to direct a Spider-man movie. I keep wondering what James Cameron's "Spider-man" would've been like...his script is online.
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...totally gay. Really... keep him away from Spider-Man, he's busy on Avatar and his obsessive underwater IMAX travelogue shit.
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Mysterio's a stuntman/actor... that's why Campbell keeps showing up to hassle Pete as various characters... he's Mysterio stalking Spidey, scoping him out, making plans to take him down... it'd be brilliant!
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The worst thing (although there was a lot of fumbles in part 3)was that Raimi and the writers completely miscast Eddie Brock. I can handle some of the Evil Dead-like shots throughout the movies, but Raimi built Eddie Brock into a bigger whiner than Tobey. I grew up with Venom in the comics, and he worked as a a character not just because he looked cool, but because there was that sadistic, evil feel to him. He was a stark contrast to everything that Peter Parker/Spider Man was. He wasn't just a blonde haired, leather coat wearing clone. He was an intimidating guy before the symbiote joined him. Brock was a misguided guy who gave into the darkness to extract what he thought was a rightful revenge. Topher Grace played him as a That 70's Show Venom, and it was just a mess from the start. I wouldn't mind if instead of doing a Venom spin-off, they brought back the character in one of the next two movies and attached the symbiote to an actor who could could actually command the screen as an evil SOB. Raimi would have to reduce the amount of camp in the movies, though.
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This NEVER, EVER WORKS!
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I'm only semi-joking, cuz I hate Tobey's "silent" spider-man,but I know they don't want to change the people involved. This way Tobey and Kristen could play the same characters at a different age, retired Spidey, etc. and have Defoe come back to fuck with them, only to have their daughter Mayday Parker take up the mantle and save the day. Tobey is too old and been Spidey for too long to play to Riami's strengths (hero's coming of age, out of his depth, exploring his new abilities etc.) I'm not saying Tobey shouldn't suit up by the end. This way we could put this franchise to sleep for a while, while making something different.
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Word.
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Just watched Get Smart and Alan Arkin would make a great Vulture
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Just like the Indiana Pacers' Reggie Miller. At least he retired. We still have to see the creepy Dunst for a few more years.
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I kept hearing how Spider-Man 3 was awful, so I avoided it until just this month. I finally watched it and I really enjoyed it. Sure, they made a couple of dumb choices, but I could see why they did them. I had fun though, and I regret now that I didn't see it on the big screen.
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....that it took the nonsense of spiderman 3 to actually, and finally i might add, turn around people's perception that spiderman 2 was actually a fantastic superhero film.
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I'm fucking sick of Raimi and Maguire's castration of the character. SPIDER-MAN 3 was unbelievably bad and underscored the fact that they don't get why the character has been entertaining people for almost 50 years. Maguire's Peter Parker is a complete fucking drag, with none of the humor or energy that the character demands. And, Raimi is too busy recreating his awkward, lonely teenage years on film to realize that a) Peter is now an adult, and b) that these movies are supposed to be FUN. (Three movies in, and we're still waiting for Maguire to say a single, genuinely funny line.) The endless back-and-forth bullshit between Peter and Mary Jane is a huge distraction. They should get somebody who can construct a decent plot and let the characters live in it, and not the other way around. I simply do not care about Peter and MJ as they have been portrayed thus far. I'm fucking over it. And, all the Pulitzer-winning writers in the world can't save it if Raimi can't get his head out of his ass and allow the character to move on.
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honestly, i still have dreams about how upset it made me at the time. i know im fucking sad, i dont care, that movie felt like being stabbed in the heart. and i think raimi did it on purpose cos they forced venom on him.
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What a great idea - Chuck and Bill's Cemetary. Hey, Chuck, you should've bought an empty one - this one's all full.
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Let's hope he doesn't go down that alley, though I'm not particularly worried.
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It's obvious they have no creativity.
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Raimi has become a corny hack and bringing in a playwright is just a dumb fucking idea.
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...She knows when to bail. Hot AND smart!
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sorry, but I don't get the praise for this film..it is the "ESB" syndrome or something. Spidey 1 was the only good one and it had a lame Green Goblin it it. They haven't done a great Spider-Man movie yet and sadly, probaby never will.
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All the movie companies should do that. "Hey, we've got this franchise that we KNOW makes money, but if we try to make a friggin' FOURTH installment you just KNOW it's gonna suck. What should we do?" How about hiring a Pulizter-winner (or some other highly-regarded literary figure) to write the script. Imagine the Star Wars prequels if Lucas had handed the scripting duties over to a Pulitzer (or Nebula, or Hugo, etc...) winner. Imagine the awful Jurassic Park sequels if such a strategy had been followed. Imagine the Brosnan Bond flicks if they'd been done this way. Imagine Alien vs. Predator, or Doom, or any other piece of shite from the past decade. The possibilities . . .
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Donna Pinciotti is, like, TOTALLY how I always imagined Mary-Jane Watson. Kirsten Dunst played her the way I always imagined Gwen Stacy, only with red hair.
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This is what movie studios used to do back in the 40's and 50's--bring talented playwrights, novelists and journalists to Hollywood to write screenplays, which is why there were so many great movies in the 1940's.
Let's hope he writes a better screenplay than the turd-tastic Spider-Man 3.
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one of the best things about spider man was his web shooters. they looked fucking cool, and they really added to his story.the organic web shooters- what is the point? they lost a really cool storyline by writing them out, and a really cool component of the story. it just doesnt make sense.
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Plays are different beasts from screenplays and the superhero scifi genre requires a particular talent. Pulitzer is nice on the resume but I wouldn't give it that much weight without seeing more of his screenplay work.
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...but what about LORD OF THE RINGS? BACK TO THE FUTURE 2 and 3? Didn't *they* work?
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The first time I watched this in the theaters it gave me goosebumps. I loved it. I can't recall the last time I watched it, but at the time I thought it was a the greatest superhero movie created. I think anyone would have a hard time calling it the best of the Spider Man movies. But 3? Someone above mentioned it was hard to sit through, and I completely agree. Painful and disappointing.
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...regarding MJ. Wasn't she a model/actress in the comic book? Dunst doesn't qualify as a model. As an actress she isn't horrible, but get a better looking MJ please. Not a huge gripe, but it always bothered me. Like how they casted Hugh Jackman, who's over 6 feet, as Wolverine. Isn't Wolverine like 5'4"? I still hate Jackman as Wolverine. He isn't mean or gritty enough, too pretty. Fuck that. Anyways, get a hotter MJ.
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he doesn't have that vibe, all i see from his portrayal is a guy who is getting ready to check his bank statements. When you watch Batman Begins and Dark Knight, it's like watching a Detective Comics arc and Bale's portrayal is a massive part of that, it feels right, the bat dickery all of it. But Tobey. What a sad sack of shit. Read some comics.
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There are some movie conventions I'm willing to accept for film depiction: Batman's tank Batmobile and Spider-Man's organic webshooters. What can I say, I think Raimi's right that even in a movie about a guy who has the powers of a spider it's a little unbelievable that a high school student could develop not only an adhesive that sticks to things AND dissolves in an hour, but also the technology to blast it from small wrist devices in a web-like form.
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the back story already established...we've seen Kurt Conners, Ursula-the landlords daughter- could become the Black Cat...there is a lot to work with..take a look again at the movies, there is more in there if you look for it..
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Seriously. Spidey 1 burned me, and Spidey 2 only did a little to make up for it. I didn't even bother with Spidey 3, and I don't think the 4th time will be the charm, either. Wake me up in a decade when they're doing a Dark Knight style revamp of the series...
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Oct 31, 2008 11:52:20 AM CDT
I do recall a previous draft by a pulitzer prize winning author
by drewlicious
Remember the draft of Spider-man 2 by Michael Chabon? I'm assuming that draft I saw was authentic. It was a mess, and with a weak villain and a really weak climax to boot. I do concede that this was a first draft but still I kind of expected better from a writer of Chabon's caliber. But then again a playwright might have more understanding of writing in the medium than a novelist.
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You guys crack yourselves up! No really, you're funnier than your uncle's botched sex change!! I have enjoyed Raimi's Spider-movies. Sure, I feel they have flaws. I just can't support the ADD-riddled cinephiles who say 3 was an agonizing experience. Really? Hasn't there been enough from ya drama queens? I can see a different director and cast taking over this franchise at some point. By then, I may not care. For now, the story is far from over, and I hope the next one is so good, it shuts the bitches up. But I'm sure even then they'd find something wrong with it.*** Michael Chabon has a truly masterful grasp of pop culture. He should do more screenplays.
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Spiderman 3 was so bad it took away all of my faith in Sam Raimi forever, and pointed up flaws I'd been willing to gloss in one and two. The Spiderman no more musical sequence, for example, always slightly annoyed me, but now I can't even watch it, because it reminds of the three or four musical montages in 3, which made me want to leave the theater.
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If I remember right, it was Avi Arad who pushed Venom on Raimi. He wanted the villains to be the Sandman and the Vulture. They even brought in Ben Kingsley to read as the Vulture (if he played him like he acted in Sexy Beast that would be one scary Vulture).
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Is anyone really that excited about this? They buried the franchise with Spidey 3. The truth of the matter is that they weren't sure if ANYONE was going to come back, so the movie was done as a finale of sorts. That's why no story threads were left to pick up on. If they really wanted to continue with the series, they should have waited many years and refreshed it - or even rebooted it - with new actors and a new director.
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No Spider-Man movie is going to be good until they recast Tobey Maguire. That whiny little bitch is not Spider-Man and never will be.
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Thanks for bringin back the phrase "cram all that graham". Takes me back... Also, I'm a little disappointed that the playwright is the guy who wrote "Robots" and not "Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?". Now that would be a switch in tone.
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Oct 31, 2008 12:59:26 PM CDT
If you liked SM3, then I suppose you like Batman & Robin
by industrykiller!
Because both films are more or less equally character betraying, poorly performed, cartoon jokes who do everything they possibly can to bastardize the comic. Seriously what kind of simpleton falls for this crap? I suppose Fantastic FOur is up your alley as well. The entire Spider Man franchise is mediocre as fuck, yeah even 2 which only impressed because people fell for its false sentimentality, but as Spider Man films they are all pretty bad. The principle actors are woefully miscast and the villains are wasted even of the casting is well done (with the exception of Topher Grace who is, like the leads, horribly cast.) Not only that but the writing is tired and cliche, especially in the wake of great comic films like Iron Man and The Dark Knight. When Spider Man 4 comes out it'll look like a fucking dinosaur in a new age.
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It's alright, I guess. Hated the sympathetic bad guy bullshit. But, even beyond tht, it was just boring. The end just drags on and on and on. Spidey 3 on the other hand, that is HORRIBLE. It would be funny if it weren't so terribly awful.
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What's up? I wasn't sure if you were addressing me or not, but I'll say I loathed Batman and Robin, and leave it at that. I'm a comic purist, but you can't always get what you want, I guess. FF was what it was, a terrible waste of a good concept. As I said, S-M 3 was no masterpiece. They could never do another muscal sequence again and I'd be good. So, I just saw it for the entertainment it was. I guess I'm just not "hip". It didn't traumatize me the way it did some folks, apparently. I've noticed a lot of Tobey-bashing. Out of curiousity, I was wondering was there anyone specific who would be more suitable?
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http://www.cracked.com/article_16716_7-terrible-early-vers ions-great-movies.html
are you happy now? thats the abomination you could have gotten... also.. see the other movies on that list. holy hell. -
http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/s/spiderman-script-scre enplay-james-cameron.html
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that spidey 4 and 5 could correct the course of the franchise. one bad movie doesnt ruin the whole series... especially if they can use 4 and 5 to make 3 better.
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and you're all just nerds who are grumpy from their lack of getting head.
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I've said it here before:
Dr. Connors becomes the lizard and goes on a rampage. Jonah Jameson hires Kraven the Hunter to catch him for a publicity stunt. Spidey has to stop Kraven, because Peter knows Doc Connors is really a good guy. After an initial altercation, Kraven decides the better prize is Spidey himself...mayhem ensues...cue Mary Jane crying alot. -
I just wish they had a better Mary Jane. And it was a crime the way they swept Gwen Stacy aside in 3. Btw, I agree with GavinVanDraven. Things could've been way worse, and if you think they're not gonna ride this mofo til the wheels fall off, you're a retard. Hyde, you have profound insight.
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...I posted something similar last time the topic reared it's webbed head.
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He's affable and handsome without being movie star looking and could probably pull off Peters evolution into a non uber nerd that Macguire seems to think Parker continues to be, which is false. Remember Parker after high school actually becomes a pretty cool guy and ends up marrying a model, Macguire shows absolutely no evolution towards this through three films he just remains a sad sack pussy. Macguire also displays no sense of sarcasm or wit, which is hugely important. Its also a shame we couldnt get Gyllenhaal when we had the chance.
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Dunst is a husk and combined with Raimi's take on Mary Jane is bad enough to make me gay. Kill MJ off and Blake Lively for Black Cat.
Hey Raimi make Peter Parker's women hot damn shizzle like the comics you lover of whiney women.
My girl friends hate KD MJ too.
Get it right this time!!!
And lastly no friggin enemy that has a good heart underneath-finds redemption bullshit! I love Webhead 1 & 2 but don't use the same god damn formula because it cheapens yourself and the your first 2 movies. -
I liked Tobey Maguire fine as Parker but he doesn't seem to be able to give the character the maturity he needs in order for this franchise to freshen up. He's too old and far out of high school to be a nerd anymore. As for actors, I'm not too big on Jim Sturges. Don't get me wrong he's a good actor but way too handsome to play Peter Parker. My first choice would have been Topher Grace but that ship has sailed. Justin Long would be a welcome change, that Spidey wit would be pretty easy for him.
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There are some pretty good ones. I'm not sure if its possible to use the Kingpin or not but that would be a good choice. He already has some great guys to work underneath him: The Enforcers, Tombstone, Hammerhead. I know Hammerhead was kind of a joke for quite a while but look at his most recent incarnations. In the Ultimate series and in the normal series he's monstrous goon who really likes to get his hands dirty. Or just have Kingpin employ the usual marvel freaks of science like Electro or Scorpion. Bottom line is that we need a villain who's more a less an unstoppable force physically and mentally. A movie is only as good as its antagonist. Case in point: The Dark Knight.
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The Spidey wit won't be there no matter who's in the role, because Sam Raimi has some kind of pathological aversion to a witty, fun Spider-Man. He just wants to see him look miserable and cry. He just doesn't get it. Apart from the origin shit in the first film when he's learning to use his powers, Raimi hasn't allowed one ounce of joy into the franchise. Even a simple villain like Sandman, who should have been allowed to just be a bad guy, has to have some maudlin, almost Faustian fucking back story that's supposed to make us feel bad for him when Spidey has to kick his ass. How about a villain whose defeat we can stand up and cheer about? That's what the franchise needs, and Raimi has proven three times that he doesn't have any of that for sale.
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and dancing, lots of dancing, And perhaps Ashton Kutcher as the villain this time...no no the Jonas Brothers! With a special guest appearance by Zac Efron as the new character Spiderman's sidekick Spiderboy! And a more pominent role for the pasty skeleton ... I mean Kirstin Dunst. Sweetness.
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I agree Sam Raimi doesn't seem to have much use for verbal wit but I wouldn't call the movies joyless. He just has a soft spot for physical comedy and it's hit and miss. And as much as I like Doc Ock (and Spidey 2 for that matter) I do agree we need a villain who doesn't need to be sympathized with but at least understood. This summer we saw some pretty good villains and a great one. The Joker wasn't sympathetic but had a very clear point of view, plus he was a criminal genius. The villain in Kung Fu Pand (hear me out) had a pretty legitimate reason to be angry and was pretty threatening. The abomination in Th Incredible Hulk was just an aging soldier who was addicted the rush in battle and went too far. And finally there's Obidiah Stayne, who isn't really that interesting on paper but was made interesting by casting an unusual choice. Never thought I'd see Jeff Bridges be evil.
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You wrote:"DO NOT film Spideys 4 and 5 back-to-back! This NEVER, EVER WORKS!"But Nasty, what about Jackson's epic LOTR trilogy? All of those films were gr... Oh. Yeah. You're absolutely right. This really *doesn't* ever work, does it?
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Pulitzer prize fighting?
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PHILLIES WORLD CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Anyone into Star Wars check out my fire sale on ebay-getting rid of everything to try and pay the bills-bargain basement pricing but every penny counts in these dark times...
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Robots gotta eat. D@mn you Michael Bay.
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But talkbackers gotta eat.
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And it's kinda scary that we think alike about Parker's evolution.
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Bridges was also the villain in THE VANISHING remake. Not a great movie, but he had some good moments, even with the accent.
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Post of the year. No decade.
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She insisted that she was indispensable to the franchise but preferred "more significant" roles. Flash forward: Dunset played the title tole in the big budget MARIE ANTOINETTE. Mega flop. Dunst in rehab. Get a replacement (exempting the overexposed Jessica Alba--unless she finally overexposes herself).
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irrelevant.
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The whole movie could have been written well with the cast they had, they just had no good writers.
I am also sick of this shit about "Oh, it all fell apart when Venom was FORCED onto Spider-Man 3!" First off, Sam Rani could have stood is moral ground and stood his ground until he got his way or kicked off the project. Second, would anyone really see Spider-Man with Sandman and Vulture as the villans. I mean Begins did not revolve around just Scarecrow, it had the awesome Ra's to hold it up. But Sandman and Vulture? That is like a Superman Movie where Superman goes against Toy Man and Bizarro. -
one of the best things about Spider Man is that he has a bunch of villians that keep readers intrigued. they're not the most powerful in the Marvel universe, but their storylines keep them prominent. now, even though I think that a good movie could be made out of a Lizard/Kraven plot, what may help the franchise out is having a story based on a powerful Electro. if you can cast him as an unsympathetic, sadistic character, Raimi could make a movie that gets fans interested again. also, it would be awesome for visual effects.
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Sadly, Superman vs. Bizarro would have been better than the last Superman we got.
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Sidepocket, while I agree with your assessment that Sam Raimi could have stood up to the suits and cast the villains he wanted (and even than that wouldn't have prevented such a bad depiction of Sandman), I disagree about people not seeing a movie with Sandman and Vulture. Sure, to the comic book fans these might not be Spidey’s biggest foes, but the die hard fans of the comics will see it no matter what villains are in it (except for maybe Hypno-Hustler or the Gibbon), as long as the storyline is good. As for the average filmgoer, lets be honest, they couldn’t name one member of Spider-Man’s rogue gallery. The only super-villains that the general public knows are some of Batman’s (Joker, Penguin, Catwoman and Riddler) and Lex Luthor, and only because of the old Batman TV show and the Superman movies. It is only us comic book fans who argue about whether such-and-such villain is really “name recognizable” enough. And I actually think the Vulture would have been an intriguing choice for a villain. I think way to much focus is spent by the fanboys about how powerful the villain is facing Spidey, and not enough emphasis on whether he has a good enough motivation. And Vulture could be such a villain. Imagine if they had Adrian Toomes leave prison as an old embittered man vowing revenge against his ex-business partner stole the designs for his inventions and than framed him for embezzlement. No take some of the Mendel Stromm’s biography, and say that his ex-partner was Norman Osborne and his inventions helped create the goblin glider. With Norman now dead the Vulture can only get revenge by destroying the company he helped build and killing his old partner’s son, and after Spider-Man gets involved the Vulture recruits the Sandman to help him. Now just cast Sir Ben Kingsley and have him channel a little bit of Sexy Beast in there and you have a villain! As for Batman Begins, while you might have thought Ra’s was pretty awesome, I think the general audience was disappointed in him as a villain and actually preferred the Scarecrow (although I personally think he was miscast).
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Period. Spider-Man 3 is such a different movie in all kinds of sense, it never came close to the masterpiece that was Spider-Man 2.
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I've posted this before:Here's a comparison pic:http://tinyurl.com/yrq36z
and, just for inspiration:
http://tinyurl.com/5rtcuh
http://tinyurl.com/57wt4b
The current MJ:http://tinyurl.com/6bu2bs'Nuff said! -
That plot of the Vulture is lifted directly from the Spectacular spidey cartoon show. And I don't think the general audience was dissapointed in Ra's it's just that he wasn't a colourful supervillain but more like a real villain you'd find in an action movie or spy movie. Also he was a little too high brow for a mainstream audience, but the appreciation will come. Besides how many people can fight Batman, beat him and do it without being scared. That's a badass villain right there.
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since she looked like a taller uglier Sophia Myles, just re-cast the role with Sophia Myles. Like that girl has spent time in Europe to study and returns home far hotter. And the triangle this time would be between Black Cat, Spidey and Cat Grant. Villain starts to be The Lizard but then at the end, it turns out to be Black Cat because Peter has to stop her.
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The chick is hot, and the inspiration for my most freakish sex dreams.
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Ok, I don't give a shit about Spider-Man. 2 was decent. 1 was blasé. 3 sucked. What pisses me off here is I noticed as I was skimming the TB that three comments up there's a comment from Dingbatty where he posts several URLs following the guidelines below from AICN for using TinyURL. In an effort to cut down on people stretching the talkback windows by posting long uninterrupted strings of text, AICN now breaks all words/strings over a certain length. Presumably they were supposed to set it longer than the length of a TinyURL URL. Yet above, Dingbatty has two out of four URLs broken due to the shitty AICN bandaid. So how about it, Herc, Harry, do you think you could possibly fix your shitty posting software and give us features that most other boards have had for almost a fucking decade?
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First off, I have actually never seen the show, and I thought of idea of mixing Adrian Toomes and Mendell Stomm years ago when I wrote a script and a couple of outlines for Spider-Man movies as writing examples for work. Damn it. I thought I had something original there (tell me, has anyone shown John Jameson becoming the Scorpion or that he brought back the Venom symbiote from space?). Secondly, I about Ra’s al Ghul, I don’t think it was his lack of color but that fact that he was wasted that disappointed audiences. I have always thought they shouldn’t have used him as the “main” villain in the movie but instead have brought him back later in the series (classic “I thought you were dead” scenario). He is to “big” of villain for Batman to face off with right away. Batman should have to work his way up before tackling him. He is after all a detective, and should have to face organized crime bosses, cat-burglars, master thieves, and psychotic killers before having to take on the head of a terrorist organization.
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Now with double the villains and double the songs.
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was extremely hot in her pink panties in Eternal Sunshine Of The Spotless Mind, what happened?
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