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Hey folks, get ready for a short column this week. It’s Stones Throw back with a recap of the latest happenings in the funny book world…
@ JONES’ FINAL CRISIS FINALE CRISIS!! The biggest news of the past week or so has been the sad-but-kinda-predictable announcement that J.G. Jones won’t be finishing FINAL CRISIS. After Carlos Pacheco and Jesus Merino tag-teamed with Jones on #4, SUPERMAN BEYOND’s Doug Mahnke will take over #7, due for release in January...
@ CRIMINAL goes INCOGNITO!! Would be a bad pun for the very cool news that Ed Brubaker and Sean Phillips will be returning to SLEEPER-esque subject matter with INCOGNITO, a five-part miniseries about an ex-super villain in the Witness Protection system, while CRIMINAL goes on temporary hiatus…@ OFT-CANCELLED COMICS CANCELLED! Tom De Falco announces the AMAZING SPIDER-GIRL’s cancellation as of #30 on his blog. Marc Andreyko confirms the end of MANHUNTER in a Facebook posting…
@ The Washington Post broke the news of the Marvel’s new, female version of the Black Panther. Will it last as long as the inner-city cop revamp of a few years ago?...
@ Marvel will be running original web-comics on its website, including new Bob Gale AMAZING SPIDER-MAN stuff. First up is the Frank Tieri-written MYTHS, MONSTERS AND MARVELS, a look at urban legends in the MU…
@ Mark Waid on appearing on TV’s LA INK. Check out his appearance here…
@ Hot on the heels of their announcement of January’s release of FEMALE FORCE: HILLARY CLINTON, Bluewater Comics announced this week that they will be publishing FEMALE FORCE: SARAH PALIN, following her attempt to become the first female Vice President. The comic will hit the racks in February and will be produced with two outcomes; one depicting a White House victory, the other a loss depending on the results of the election.@ Garth Ennis and Carlos Ezquerra’s JUST A PILGRIM miniseries gets collected in hardcover by Dynamite in December…
@ Joe Kubert’s done a cover for #1 of writer Arvid Nelson’s CONAN spin-off miniseries KULL, due from Dark Horse in November…
@ Entourage writers Luke Lieberman and Matt Wolpert take over script duties on Dynamite’s MAN WITH NO NAME comic from Christos Gage…
@ Early DAREDEVIL artist John Romita Sr. has drawn a cover for #1 of Alex Ross’s DEATH-DEFYING DEVIL revamp, which’ll be written by Joe Casey and drawn by Edgar Salazar…
@ Check out this interview with Dave Gibbons discussing the hows and whys of drawing THE WATCHMEN over at watchmencomicmovie.com.
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Sorry I just had to do it.
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Someone needs to do a No heroics comic.
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Gotta be the best "hero" created in years.
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They did absolutely nothing to support MANHUNTER. Where were the house ads, especially in a book like BIRDS OF PREY where Manhunter had appeared? DC screwed this book.
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I've seen it all now...
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You should read Marvel's bio-comic of Pope John Paul II. Of course, since it is Marvel, they have the Pope teamup with Spider-Man to defeat Galactus.
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Oct 27, 2008 8:21:52 AM CDT
Didn't they already release the Palin Victory comic?
by blindambition238
I think it's called DC's Final Crisis...
...yea, bite me I'm sleepy...
(cue sympathy applause)
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Just saying.
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Oh wait... I think you mean Kull, not Krull. hehe.
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What was the deal?
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DC is pathologically incapable of hiring an artist to pencil their mega-events who will be able to keep to the schedule... and the schedule waits for no man! (unlike, say, Civil War. Lateness was a bitch but the story still has cohesion when you read it back now).
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A fucking YEAR headstart? He shouldn't have accepted the gig in the first place.
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Oct 27, 2008 9:49:27 AM CDT
Yeah, I'm really sick of these namby artists who can't keep a sc
by ambush bug
And it's not like Jones was turning in his best work in years for FINAL CRISIS either. It was mediocre Jones' stuff at best. I actually applaud Didio for having the balls to say "If you can't finish it, we'll get someone else who will." I like Mahnke, so I'm ok with the relacement. Maybe this huge cut in pay for Jones will wake him up and get him to set down the X-Box long enough to finish a book he had a year to complete. Sure, maybe he had some kind of personal problems. And if that's the case, then we all missed out. But if he wants to make the professional money, he should show up and do the work. I've talked to quite a few writers who, off the record, complain about the extended wait for the colorist or the inker or the penciler while their finished written work is just gathering dust and being forgotten on the shelves. There are plenty of professional artists out there. Good for Didio for nabbing one of them to take over for Miss Priss.
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Nothing against Mahnke, but he's not exactly an event artist. I keep wishing JH Williams III had gotten the gig, but maybe we'd have the same problem. I don't think Doug Mahnke's art syncs up very well with the other artists on board, though. The odd thing is that there's an artist whose style is very similar to Jones's and who seems to keep his deadlines: Chris Weston. He could have done this.Anyway, it could have been something special, and now it's an epic movie with three different cinematographers and three sets of actors playing all the roles. This is why Marvel laughs at DC, and I'm waiting on the tpb.
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Who is providing the art for "Final Crisis" issues 5 and 6?
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i think i read that mahnke is on for the rest of the series. they should of had jones just do the covers - which i thought were excellent.
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5 & 6 will be Jones and Pacheco (as 4 was). 7 will be Mahnke.
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thanks psynapse
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I have purchased all of the final crisis issues, and I have no idea what is going on. Marvel's "Secret War" is much better at telling a cohesive story. I know what is going on when I read it; I have no clue with Final Crisis. This time, Marvel defeats D.C.
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And Alan Moore will whisper no.
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Thanks for the info, Psynapse, and for the attempt, steverodgers (by the way, here is your friendly grammar lesson of the day: It's "should have" and not "should of").
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MisterE, who has failed more in your opinion, Jones and DC editorial, or me and my mistake filled talkback post?
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That particular grammatical error is a big pet peeve of mine.
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Linguistics has shown that language mutates constantly and fastest in urbanized environments. Therefore the insertion of "Should of" in place of "Should've" is actually an expectable phenomenon regardless of grammatical rules. (But grammar nerds like MisterE and myself might call you out on it nonetheless) (*_^)
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These days is for these so called big artists to basically do an issue when ever they feel like it. Bad enough that most of these events are ill conceived bags of half assed suck, but having to wait 3 to 6 moths for the next issue is just inexcusable. Thank god for torrents. I just ignore the Major event til it's over,download it and get the disappointment out of the way in one shot. Honestly, name he last GOOD Big Event in either universe.
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Then: Big Event! Get 'em while they're hot!Now: ANOTHER 'Big Event'. Hmm. Better wait for the trade to see if it's even worth it.Way to go Marvel & DC, you've officially burnt us out.
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Psynapse: While the mutation of language may be an "expectable phenomenon in urbanized environments", I would argue that it is not an "acceptable phenomenon". I would also argue that "expectable" isn't a word, if I was an argumentative Spelling Nazi. :)
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Definitely agree with Laserhead. J.H. Williams has incredible, if not the best, page layouts, in addition to being well-suited for creepy-weird Morrison stories. Just check out the art on his League of Batmen story with Morrison recently. It takes the story to another level entirely.
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The worst part is i don't even live in a urbanized environment anymore. I should have stayed in NYC, if just to justify my wildly poor grammar.
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I'm kind of bummed to hear about the cancellation of Spider-Girl, even though I don't read it anymore. I was a faithful reader for a few years, but it really went downhill when Pat Oliffe left. If he'd been replaced by someone I like, I might still be collecting it monthly. Instead, they got Ron Frenz. I never liked Frenz's art very much, but I must admit that his '80s/'90s output wasn't terrible. As of now, it's pretty god-awful. (Why couldn't Marvel have picked an older and underused artist whose stuff is still good? Someone like Norm Breyfogle or... I'm drawing a blank.)
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–verb (used with object) 1. to look forward to; regard as likely to happen; anticipate the occurrence or the coming of: I expect to read it. I expect him later. She expects that they will come.
2. to look for with reason or justification: We expect obedience.
3. Informal. to suppose or surmise; guess: I expect that you are tired from the trip.
4. to anticipate the birth of (one's child): Paul and Sylvia expect their second very soon.
—Idiom5. be expecting, to be pregnant: The cat is expecting again. It's not wise to attempt to school me in regards to language, because like the Nazis, you'll lose. (*_^) -
A What If...? tale spun off into a series that lasted 130 issues, and gave way to the short-lived 'MC2'line of comics... nothing to be too bummed about. It's remarkable it lasted even that long. You can bet Marvel will still publish Mayday stories every now and then after this title comes to a halt.
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I think stevrodgers just meant to say you sounded like a d-bag.
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MisterE. Whoever. Maybe they both meant to say that.
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Since Jones accepted a contracted assignment to produce the art for "Final Crisis" and he was unable to produce the art within the contracted time frame, I would say that his is the greatest failure in regards to the topic of discussion. DC would not have removed Jones from the book if factors unrelated to his contribution to the project were responsible for the failure. DC's ultimate responsibility is to produce a product by a scheduled date, and they are unable to produce said product if its components have not been delivered by those contracted to deliver the components.
You have failed no one except, perhaps, your English and Grammar instructors. :) -
I was trying to say my grammar is a total mess and hopefully it will be tolerated. Psynapse is cool with me.
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You provided the definition and usage examples of "expect", not "expectable". None of the examples that you provided use the "word" "expectable".
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I think you are right. My teachers were weeping while i was in their classroom, and they are still weeping now, which is really of no consequence. DC on the other hand has totally blown it, and is a massive disappointment to their readers. A quick check on comic sales puts Marvel's market share at over 50 percent and DC barely holding on to over 30 percent - yet Dido still has a job. How long does that last?
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DC at under 30 percent in September: http://tinyurl.com/5qvvnp
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Both steverodgers and MisterE are fairly frequent Tb'ers and would tell me clearly and concisely if they thought I were being a douchebag, not take feeble and puerile potshots while hiding behind someone else's words. Because, unlike you, they're not douchebags.FYI: Only trolls come out swinging on people who haven't said (in this instance typed) a word towards them.Yeah, in case it still hasn't sunk into your impuissant brain, I AM saying you're a douchebag.There, is that schoolyard enough for you?
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WWW.Dictionary.comGo on, type it in and see what you get. (^_*)
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I stand corrected, expectable is the adjective form of expect. Even marketing people who work with copy can read too fast and get it skewed.
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I would say that GREEN LANTERN-SINESTRO CORPS WAR was a good event, but it wasn't. It was FREAKIN' GREAT! Go read it.
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Seconded.
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It was comic book good, not great. To me, it felt like little pieces in between the action was missing.Marvel rules, DC drools!
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wow man you win you are awesome
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and to clarify, I said you sounded like a d-bag. I didn't say you WERE one. which means that I read what you wrote, and you sounded like a d-bag. and now, you sound like an even bigger douchebag.
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Your sentiment is reflected in comics sales that is for sure. Currently DC is drooling... big time.
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I use dictionary.com, too. I looked up "expectable" and got the definition for "expected". Alas, I didn't read the entire entry and didn't see that "expectable" is, indeed, a word. So, I admit defeat. You win!
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All-Star Batman and Robin is far and away their biggest seller. Christ.
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Things look bad, but lets give credit where credit is due - DC did move over 4,000 copies of Scooby Doo in September! Just another feather in Dido's cap.
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I do like DC, its just they don't generally tell stories that interest me. Its like how I bitch about the Avengers having BBQs in full costume, well, to me, DC is ALWAYS like that. DC heroes just don't seem to have "real" civilian secret identities, let alone Civilian clothes, there's Green Arrow, just walking down the street, dressed like a Broadway Robin Hood. DC secret identities always seem more like place holders, more like the hero is hiding behind their civilian ID, rather than having the civilian ID be the driving force of the story. Is Batman the mask or is Bruce Wayne? Does Clark Kent really exist or is he just Superman in glasses? Peter Parker is a real person. Luke Cage is a real person. Wally West is just who the Flash is on wash day.
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...SUCK! Kirby could've pencilled the entire series in a friggin' weekend!
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Gomezvsrufio: My apologies then. It's Monday, I'm on a critical deadline (and stuck waiting for data to put into copy to make said deadline), and I have a very sandy vagina today. (and BTW, I'm a Class-A asshole, mere douchebaggery is too weak for grand bastards such as I)MisterE: Linguistics and Etymology ( along with about a half a dozen other sciences) are lifelong passions of mine. (*_^)
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then he chould have nabbed someone who draws like him. How about Jorge Lucas who owes pretty much everything he does to Kirby? Just sayin' there's a ton of talent out there that could get the job done on time. These artists who dick around and slow down the process should be taught a lesson in professionalism.
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Wildstorm started this trend years ago. I've never understood how its come to be acceptable in the comic book world. Your job is to draw comics. Sit down and draw them. People would kill for that fucking job, what the fuck? At what other job could you just turn to your boss and go: "I didn't get my assignment done." Boss: "Well... that kind of screws up everything, but thats alright I guess... when can I expect it?"You: "Next year? ...maybe? Don't pressure me... jerk..."Boss: "Sorry, sorry, take your time... whew, man, are we lucky to have that guy working for us..."
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Having wait forever and a day a new issue youngblood 2# 3 months wait and still was crap
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...when I see the listings in the monthly PREVIEWS catalog from Aspen comics, which declare 'GUARANTEED in stores , !" I don't keep track of whether they meet their dates, but the fact that they make it a feature of their advertising is so sad it's funny...
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That's "GUARANTEED in stores MONTH DAY, YEAR!". I used parens for meta brackets and they got eaten as HTML...
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You know how to revamp Black Panther? Change his gender? Well, sure. Or you could get a much better writer. I love how in the article, Hudlin says his run has been 'controversial' - which is code for, 'most people thought I sucked.' The revamp started out really well, but as soon as BP married Storm, it was all downhill. Not that the marriage itself was a bad idea. But that whole 'mystical frogs' storyline with the FF was some of the worst crap I've ever read in a Marvel comic. And that's saying a lot. The Killraven stuff was a bit better, but really BP is running on fumes. This whole gender switch is a desperate ploy.
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"Nailin Palin" atleast dehumanizes that moron. (plus it has T&A)but a Comic that glamorizes that bimbo ain't my idea of fun.Well I can always put the pages to good use:*wipe**flush*Fin
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it's all good!
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Oct 27, 2008 6:14:18 PM CDT
The only possible way Sarah Palin has any relevance when that hi
by chewtoy
The only possible way Sarah Palin has any relevance when that hits is if McCain actually pulls this out and then dies before February. Otherwise, at best she's Vice President, and nobody cares about her because there's no way McCain keeps her as close as Bush keeps Chaney. Or they lose, and she's back in Alaska where nobody gives a damn what she says or spends on clothes, and *maybe* the Republicans dig her up in 4 years. If that comic isn't coming out next week, there's zero point to it coming out at all.
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As already stated - Sinistro Corps War for sure. Probably the best comic crossever ever to be honest. The first and last issues were the most jaw-dropping books I've read for years. That last double page spread in the first issue that revealed Superboy-prime, Hank Henshaw and THE FUCKING ANTI-MONITER!!! was just amazing, only beaten in recent memory by the giant bullet phasing through New York in Astonishing X-men. And Ambush Bug - right there with you, there should have been a more Kirbyesque look to the art in Final Crisis. My vote would have gone to Scott Kolins repeating the style he used for the Darkseid/Orion fight in Countdown. Best thing in that series by far.
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Would be the Age of Apocalypse. Ooh, not that recent.
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I'm still waiting for the next issue of SONIC DISRUPTORS!
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look at Quitely stuff on Morrison's Batman - ain't that worth the wait?
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Marvel AND DC need to quit making so many of these shitty little series for these individual characters that nobody buys. When they do that, they spread their talent and quality QUITE thin.
That said, I realize that a lot of people are fans of these minor characters. I, myself, am a big Moon Knight fan. And for the longest time he didn't have a series (and I'm worried his current one will be canceled) - they simply aren't often viable.
Instead, they need to make up new team books, so they can satisfy many fan-wanted characters at one time. Maybe that's not the right idea either, but it's not working the way it is now. These individual series just keep getting hopes up and crushing them when they're canceled. -
And if the Black Panther wasn't viable enough, do they really think making it a WOMAN will do them MORE business?!?! Really?
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I would actually prefer that the original artist stay on a book like Final Crisis. Yeah, the delays are kind of annoying, and delays like this should cost Jones work in the future, but I'd rather be able to go back and read all 7 issues once they're done and see the cohesion that can only come from having the same writer and artist(s) on all 7 issues. To me, I have plenty of comics (some good, some bad) to read on a weekly basis. I'm not terminally ill (that I know of), so - if it takes an extra 3 or 4 or 6 months to get to the end, then so be it. I'll read other stuff in the meantime. I have a hard time with the idea that people are JUST SO DYING to see what happens next that a delay like this is the end of the world. Annoying? Yup. Definitely. Annoying enough to mar the eventual finished product? Not for me.
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I like a cohesive whole, and Jones art has been gangbusters - check out that final page of issue #4 of Nu-Darkside giving his thumbs down - fantastic composition and dramatic and dark. I don't see how a delay is a bad thing - you save money, and there are other comics to read. Stop bitching.
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Oct 27, 2008 9:11:58 PM CDT
"Oh noes, its been 3 months since the last issue of Final Crisis
by tallboy66
"Oh, however will I remember what happened? I wish they had a clusterfuck of art to make it come out on time."
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Why does he have a black box and I do not? FUCK.
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when has DC won? back in the Watchmen days? Maybe Sinestro Corps War but at the end of the day Marvel is taking 50% share of the market and delivering acclaimed comics and even their other comics look amazing, professional yet DC's most important event since the first Crisis has art not worthy of a c grade Marvel hero.
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Oct 28, 2008 1:05:45 AM CDT
However - Sinestro Corps War = greatest superhero story ever
by most excellent ninja
crossover, superhero story. Whatever. Watchmen is the king of comics but Sinestro Corps War is the most entertaining ultimate story ever produced in comics. Fact. The best Star Wars story since Empire.
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he can draw like Kirby too. The best artist in comics should have been on the biggest event.
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haven't read Sinestro Corps War ehh. Like the other two said, the first and last issues were jaw dropping, everything in between was pure awesome.
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May not be all his fault. There were a few blog posts that were pulled because they were potentially libelous. Here's a link to what some have pieced together. Who knows if any of it's true. At any rate DC is huge mess. WB needs to really clean house over there.
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=242665
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however that occasional superheroine makes it sound so awful as if she discovered that geoff johns was the avatar for Darkseid and the end of the world was inevitable.
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It was originally Moore's deconstructionist take on the Charlton stable of characters and nothing more. It was a decent story but nowhere near the Holy Grail of superhero stories that so many make it out to be.Aand the Movie? Oooh it's R-rated superheroes! Big whoop, been there done that.
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The true legacy of Watchman isn't SOLELY based on its very well done story, but its lasting impact on the comic book medium itself. THAT is the main reason Watchman is, and always will be, remembered. It and Dark Knight completely revolutionized the industry. That book opened whole new worlds up. Comics wouldn't be what they are now, if not for that book. Do you REALLY not know that? Or are you just be contrary merely for the sake of some really strange, nerdy scenester perception that taking this stance would earn you some kind of comic "indie" cred? Oooooh, the comic book "cool" kid... Big whoop, been there, done that.
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As much as i want to be annoyed at all the regular folks i see toting around the watchmen graphic novel these days i can't - i hope its a gateway drug for all those folks. This summer i saw multiple people reading it on the subway and i have to say it made me wicked happy. I think the praise of that comic cannot be overstated - it's timeless.
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sinestro corps war, if watchmen is the gateway, sinestro corps is heroin.
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Good to know I'm a deficient poseur for having an opinion that differs from yours and the masses. Since,y'know , you are the expert in all things as you perport to be and all...
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It was the only Marvel book that didn't real like a Russian Novel.
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***DISCLAIMER: This is an unsubstantiated rumor that was posted by someone known as "DCInsider". The original post at blogspot has been deleted likely to legal threatening as it IS potentially libelous.AGAIN, this is a RUMOR and neither myself nor anyone associated with AICN accept ANY responsibility or credit for it's contents.**
Supposedly the reason that JG Jones has gotten so much DC work over the last few years is because Dan Didio is sleeping with his wife, Jann Jones.From Rich Johnston's LITG column dated 10/20/2008: "Which executive gave an artist a phenomenal amount of work over the last two years so that the executive may woo a colleague and partner of the artist, in a manner rather reminiscent of the biblical tale of David and Uriah?"
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As long as you know...
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You are pathologically incapable of disagreement without belittlement. Petty tyrant much?
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Oct 28, 2008 12:54:54 PM CDT
"Do them 52 covers and 3 issues of Final Crisis so I can bang yo
by tallboy66
"Muha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!! I'm so gat-damn evil!!!" Seriously, this is the best shit that the fanboy community can come up with? Rich Johnson is a cock and that's a stupid rumour and the LITG guy is still a cock.
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you poop face.
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It's not the 'fanboy community', it's the 'creator community'. By all means, correspond with Coleen Doran, Valerie D'orazio, Diana Schutz, Gail Simone and any other women that have worked at DC and get them to tell you what kind of bullshit goes on at DC (and Marvel for that matter). BTW, Rich Johnston IS the LITG guy (or is that just a typo?)
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What is it with you prickly fucks? Every time someone disagrees with what you perceive as unquestionable truth, you get to be a douchebag about it--anonymously, of course. I mean, read the last line of your post to synapse to see what a prissy, imperious little ass you are: assuming characteristics about someone you don't know, and then mocking them for it. Hey, I think Watchmen is overrated too, regardless of its historical importance. Must make me a moron. However, I am in total agreement with you on slow artists. This seems to be a mystery that will never be explained.
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I agree with you on my being right. The rest I didn't read.
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That only encourages it to seek yet more attention. After all, when your only concept of humor is to attempt to aggravate and insult people you're pretty one track minded already.
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You are so right. I won't feed into his trolling.
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Joenathan: "The rest I didn't read" Of course you did, sweetie. Nice try though.
And psynapse: good little lap dog, lapping up that belittlement. I'd rather be a "troll" than so ass-backwards I'd defend someone who mocks me.
Good hunting. Yum. You clowns are too easy.
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