Oct. 26, 2008, 6:57 p.m. CST
by dr sauch
Best of 2008, IMO Also, First?
Oct. 26, 2008, 6:59 p.m. CST
by dr sauch
Oct. 26, 2008, 7:33 p.m. CST
by drew mcweeny
... so would I if I had more than 12 minutes. You make do with what you have.
Oct. 26, 2008, 7:38 p.m. CST
This film definitely deserves the raves its getting. A classic in its own right, it's a chilling yet sweet ride that leaves you satisfied.
Oct. 26, 2008, 8:28 p.m. CST
I always though that Eli was sexually abused at some point her life, but I NEVER would have guessed she was once a boy. I've only seen the film once and it was five months ago at Tribeca, so I'm sure with another viewing things may be more clear. What was your opinion based on that quick shot, Moriarty?
Oct. 26, 2008, 8:40 p.m. CST
The movie doesn't say much of this at all, and it's very easy to miss. Read the book though, it explains the whole thing a lot more thoroughly. Also, it's a great read.
Oct. 26, 2008, 8:57 p.m. CST
by Serious Black
...I'm just sayin', it's a weird title.
Oct. 26, 2008, 9:33 p.m. CST
by dr sauch
I'm just a little obsessed with this movie right now. I'm going to read the book.
Oct. 26, 2008, 10:42 p.m. CST
..going to get a "wide" release? Seriously. I want to see it.
Oct. 27, 2008, 12:53 a.m. CST
I caught this last night. Very understated and visually memorable. SPOILERS I did not get that castration angle at all. When she said she wasn't a girl, I just assumed that she meant a vampire isn't really human. As for that quick flash of nude Eli, there really wasn't enough time for me to assess it. It was so quick that I thought that's what prepubescent vampire girl parts might look like. I had another question - who was the guy that Eli was originally with? At first I thought Eli must be a recent vampire and that he was "her" father. A century of time's passage would imply that he might be playing the role that Oskar might play in another fifty years. That left me questioning why he's such a sloppy killer. Was his enthusiasm waning such that he was becoming subconsciously self-sabotaging? END SPOILERS Anyway, it was an interesting, well-told story, and I liked that the film alone left some elements ambiguous. I want to check out that novel, though.
Oct. 27, 2008, 12:53 a.m. CST
...for the interview. Enjoyed it.
Oct. 27, 2008, 1:27 a.m. CST
SPOILERS! In the book you get a full backstory on Eli's "father". He's a pedophile teacher that gets outed some years before the events in the book/film and Eli finds him when he is down and out, and makes him a servant of sorts with an implied and never fullfilled promise of a sexual relationship. He does what he does because he loves Eli and sometimes get to sleep next to him/her and hopes to one day realise his love to him/her. Eli it seems has no intent of ever letting that happen but kind of strings him along to get what she/he needs: Someone who can act as an adult caretaker as to not raise suspicion and to help get blood so Eli doesn't risk getting outed. I got tickets to see it tonight and I can't wait to re-read the book again, this is great horror!
Oct. 27, 2008, 4:55 a.m. CST
The novel is just outstanding, and actually made me cringe from the uncomfortable pedophile parts, I can't wait to see how they pulled this off in the film.Can some one tell me if Hakan drops acid on his face in the movie and become a vampire/zombie???
Oct. 27, 2008, 7:57 a.m. CST
by The Marquis de Side 3
essentially the story about the vampire is one of loss and love, hope and fantasy, violent release of rage and a whole lot of loneliness. I like this film a lot more over any vampire movie I've ever seen. if you watch it, you'll find yourself connecting to it in ways you often don't in films. It's a true expression of growing up and the challenges of adolescence, the weirdness of preteen youth and youth culture (school, parents, home friends), and the difficulty of being loved. I honestly think this film is the best vampire film ever made because it is not an action film -- it is a drama, with funny moments. it's about two people who want to be together, but think they can't. and it is so full of stillness and silence and snow that it will actually warm you. I guess the only way quality work can be made is if it comes out of Europe. if this had been an American big-budget studio film, it would have been crap (not looking forward to remake)...
Oct. 27, 2008, 9:58 a.m. CST
thanks for clearing that up, I actually had the same questions as DarthCorleone. I just saw it two days ago and it's a great movie. I would say though, I think it may be getting overhyped now. All the amazing things people are saying about this movie are true. For me, there are a few things that kept it from being the masterpiece people say it. This movie is a character study more than a thriller or horror movie, and in movies like this, it's never about the actual plot and more about the characters' relationships, which of course was remarkably well done. However the plot that was there, sometimes didn't stack up to the quality of the rest of the movie. The bully angle worked really well setting up the character, but after it was seemingly resolved at the lake, i kept thinking why we were still folowing this bully thread? It leads to the great scene at the end, but what did it have to say about the characters? The side characters who are trying to find who killed their friend Jocke is interesting, but a definite step down from the main storyline. The brief scenes following the bitten lady are again interesting, but didn't amount to anything since she wasn't a character I really cared about. I did feel some sympathy for her boyfriend though, as he was given a little more to work with. Anyway, just a few points. Everybody should see this movie without a doubt, but be cautious of the mounting hype surrounding this. Not a masterpiece, it's just a very, very good movie.
Oct. 27, 2008, 2:10 p.m. CST
JackLint>> Well said. When I think about it, I do have the same reservations that kept the film from complete greatness. As a whole, though, it still worked for me.<br><br>SPOILERS jebus>> Yes, Hakan pours acid on himself, but he did not become a vampire or zombie. Now you've got me curious about that angle in the book. END SPOILERS
Oct. 27, 2008, 2:53 p.m. CST
by dr sauch
Oct. 27, 2008, 2:54 p.m. CST
by dr sauch
I want to read it myself, and will eventually. I'm mid first-semester at law school, so pleasure reading is not really an option. What is the backstory with the castration? Why did they castrate him? Was it pre or post vampire?
Oct. 27, 2008, 4:21 p.m. CST
BOOK SPOILER Eli was castrated by the vampire who then sired him back in olden times, pre vampire. It isn't really explained, what I got was that the evil vampire ruled the land and the people had to offer up their children to him. He cut of their penises and drank their blood. I can't remember if it then describes Eli becoming a vampire or not... HERE ENDETH THE BOOK SPOILERS-ETH.
Oct. 27, 2008, 4:50 p.m. CST
by dr sauch
Appreciated. Can't wait to read this.
Oct. 27, 2008, 10:38 p.m. CST
From what I can tell, there are some significant parts lacking from the movie which would have delivered a little bit more of a frightening aspect to the film. I can't wait to see it still, but it kinda bums me out that Hakan as a vampire/zombie has been left out.
Oct. 28, 2008, 1:58 p.m. CST
I saw this last night and when Eli says she's not a girl you just think that she means she's a vampire. And that less than a second flash of her downstairs is so fleeting that all you see is hair and what might be some kind of scar. But then it is never again addressed so it's a totally lost moment. The film is excellent, but it sounds like the filmmaker should have left this idea from the book out of the film. It just doesn't bring anything to the movie as is. But other than that it is a wonderful movie with excellent subtle CGI... except the cats. The cats look terrible, but only in that one scene. You'll know when you see it.
Nov. 3, 2008, 2 p.m. CST
by Brannagins Law
Nov. 9, 2008, 3:09 a.m. CST
How small this talkback is. See this movie, guys and gals!!! It's one of the best "vampire" flicks ever made. It's quiet, yet loud... subtle, but in your face... moving and emotional, yet distant... A true piece of art that had me laughing, crying and longing for an age I'll never be able to get back to. Best movie I've seen in a long, long time.
Nov. 15, 2008, 4:24 p.m. CST
finally saw it last night at a packed show. Absolutely wonderful film!
Nov. 19, 2008, 10:36 a.m. CST
Why does he look like a girl in the movie, and was his appearance described as feminine in the book?
Jan. 16, 2009, 4 p.m. CST
I agree with your well-stated points, JackLint. The moive is very, very good, but not perfect for those reasons. I also had the same reaction as DarthCorleone to the ambiguous crotch reveal of Eli. I just figured that was a representation of inhuman vampire privates. Not knowing the castration backstory didn't bother me though. I actually liked leaving the movie with some questions unanswered. It added to the implied reality of the world depicted. Showing flashback shots of the vampires backstory would have disrupted the realistic, present day atmosphere of the film. The CG was good, except for the few crappy cat shots.... as -guyinthebackrow mentioned...
June 14, 2009, 8:31 p.m. CST
Eli does dress like a girl in the book and wears his hair long - other characters upon first meeting him see him as anything from a pretty girl to being unsure about his gender, but not as a boy. I think this angle should have been made a little clearer in the film - it's an integral part of Eli's condition as traumatised, diseased, abnormal but still fundamentally human, and it's a big part of Oskar's unconditional acceptance of him. I agree with the criticisms of the cats scene, but still think the film was absolutely brilliant - the acting, the score, the photography, etc.
June 15, 2009, 9:03 a.m. CST