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STARGATE UNIVERSE Concept Art!!
Merrick here...
SciFi.com is featuring a few pieces of concept art from STARGATE UNIVERSE, the second spin-off series of STARGATE SG-1, which itself was a spin-off of Emmerich & Devlin's STARGATE.
The images show a bit of the new ship that will figure prominently in the show. Stargate Universe centers on a simple reconnaissance mission that turns into a never-ending quest as a new crew of Stargate explorers gates onto the Destiny, an Ancient ship that is unable to return to Earth. They will travel to the far reaches of the universe, encountering new races, enemies and adventures.
...says THIS ARTICLE at ScFi.com.
I didn't quite "get" the story's description of the new series, but an older SciFi Channel press release conveys UNIVERSE's concept a bit more clearly:
After unlocking the mystery of the Stargate's ninth chevron, a team of explorers travels to an unmanned starship called the Destiny, launched by The Ancients at the height of their civilization as a grand experiment set in motion, but never completed.
What starts as a simple reconnaissance turns into a never ending mission, as the Stargate Universe crew discovers the ship is unable to return to Earth, and they must now fend for themselves aboard the Destiny.
The crew will travel to the far reaches of the universe, connecting with each of the previously launched Stargates, thus fulfilling the Destiny's original mission. Challenges will arise though as the ship comes into range of Stargates placed centuries ahead of the Destiny and the crew is unable to control the ship's navigational schedule. If someone is left behind, there is no way to go back for them, adding to the drama of encountering new races, enemies and adventures.
You can find the art...
HERE!!!
What starts as a simple reconnaissance turns into a never ending mission, as the Stargate Universe crew discovers the ship is unable to return to Earth, and they must now fend for themselves aboard the Destiny.
The crew will travel to the far reaches of the universe, connecting with each of the previously launched Stargates, thus fulfilling the Destiny's original mission. Challenges will arise though as the ship comes into range of Stargates placed centuries ahead of the Destiny and the crew is unable to control the ship's navigational schedule. If someone is left behind, there is no way to go back for them, adding to the drama of encountering new races, enemies and adventures.
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Didn't Atlantis start off the same way? I don't really see how Stargate has managed it's longevity except that it's filling the void left by Star Trek until Paramount and Viacom get back to making Trek for the small screen again. This artwork looks like more of the same to me, I'm baffled why they are using it to hype the latest spin off. It's not bad work, it's just nothing noteworthy either.
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I think Ive heard of a show like this before.
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Looks like the same ol' crap. Stuff we've seen on Star Trek, X-Men, etc. Yay.
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If this lasts more than a season, maybe two, I will be amazed.
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Am I the only who's made that connection? And what is all this bullshit about a 9th chevron? How many stinking chevrons are they going to add to the gates? In another 10 years, we'll see Stargate: ad nauseam where they figure out the 42nd chevron can take them to Imagination land.
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But the leaving behind of crew could be a nice dramatic touch. But you can guarentee that there will be an alien with a funny forehead of some desritpion.
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zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Secondary characters from cancelled sci-fi shows will converge on a flimsy premise and low budget in hope of finding a small audience that will fill convention halls and purchase shitty merchandise.
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A "B" class Voyager! Just what the doctor ordered. Thank you Sci Fi channel! This is truly inspired. WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
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Why cancel Atlantis and create a NEW show? I really started liking Atlantis and when it started getting good, it was canceled. I bet the planets they stop at are all forest like and look like Canada for some reason. Maybe they should take the Sanctuary route and greenscreen it all to save money on sets. If anything they should create a Stargate show that combines members of both casts in a new situation. Give the fans what they want!!!
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I agree with the whole Atlantis is in its best season, and now it gets canceled!!! are you fucking nuts sentinment
the only thing I like about sanctuary is the hot blond
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Thank yew bonnie hammer
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cos he's a thespian and shit man
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....the Stargate creative team ran out of anything resembling fresh storylines (see Atlantis) a while back. I'm sure the first ep will start big and then what stories do they have left to tell? I'll watch but if they put any whiny geek geniuses in there I'm gone.
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...canadian woods pictured as other planets.
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we get one cool dude, one funny dude, one nerd and possibly 2-3 fuckable chicks with problems. maybe cool and funny chicks, though... television is soo boring
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Let's hope Jewel Stait is part of the new show to keep the Space Cases connection alive.
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Awful. Awful. Awful. I bet the guys who wrote that press release have no souls.
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Just so I'm getting this straight...they're canceling Atlantis, which was finally hitting it's stride and presenting itself as a cool original show that has managed to distance itself from the show it spun off from, to make room for a pretty obvious Star Trek rip-off?
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Because as a Star Trek fan, I finally have a group I can look down on.
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ever complete any of their experiments? This is like the 900th experiment they've abandoned.
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I caught the show on DVD over the last year, and have enjoyed it. I think it builds upon the strengths of classic Stargate SG1, so I have hopes for "Universe." It sounds like it's bringing in more Star Trek elements too.
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We should thank the gods for each year we have more quality genre television. It's better than another CSI spin-off, and ten times better than another lame ass sitcom.
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Which in reality is probably just outside their studio in Canada.
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Is Sci Fi channel creativ bnkrupt now Why is shitlike this getting made when good origianl material like Preacher is put in development hell?! Also Stargate will never garner the respect or longivity due to the fact its just an advert for military gung ho ideas. Sci Fi get some new ideas pronto.
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I'd be a lot more interested if the writers threw Mitchell, Zelenka, McKay, Keller, Jonas and, let's say...Bra'tac, onto the Destiny. That'd be a lot cooler. I'll remain cautiously optimistic though.
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I might be interested, but news that they're ending ATLANTIS season 5 on a bloody CLIFFHANGER which will then require fans to BUY direct-to-DVD episodes to see how it turns out has decided me to skip the rest of the STARGATE franchise if this is how they're going to (miss)treat fans.
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Star Trek is dead, Stargate lives on. I'm looking forward to more 'gate.
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a stargate article on aicn?!?
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GunterMonkey - Atlantis had promise, but they've watered it down, losing focus and starting to meander all over the map. I've given up on it. By partway through season 4 the Wraith really shouldn't be a problem any longer, especially given how the original series ended. Oh, and they've made the criminal mistake of taking to overdressing the delectable Rachel Luttrel's(sp?) character. Shame on them!
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There are important differences. Much as I enjoyed the original TREK, I admit the studio worked too hard to keep it 'frozen' in time. Even the longer series (6 or 7 seasons) saw things pretty much the same by the end as they were at the start. Excuse me? Just look at the pace of technological development now. Yet TREK, even with all the alien contacts are still using essentially the same technologies over 80 years past the original series (OK, holodeck excepted). That's ridiculous. With SG-1, earth's available tech takes major jumps through the course of the SG-1 series. That alone makes it a superior series.
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So I've read that the new Stargate Worlds MMO might tie in to the show. Thought it was odd since the shows be getting cancelled. But this makes a lot of sense because ship travelling out to nowhere and having new worlds would tie into a video game much much better than the Stargate with the Airforce in charge. So the Voyager storyline is just a convinent excuse to have the show be like in a galaxy far away while still holding onto the Stargate name. So knowing that the show might work with the online game I don't think the plot of the show will be getting back home. There will just be faction wars and that stupid crap that comes from the new shitty MMOs.
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Has Stargate not been taking a page out of the Trek playbook since the beginning?
SG-1 I'll be nice to, but boy they should have killed it dead after season 5 or 6, whenever Jack left.
Atlantis == DS9
Universe == Voyager
The Atlantis writers can't ever bring themselves to have meaningful story arcs anymore. Even stories that had GREAT potential ( that "new race" pair of episodes recently... I won't give away the spoilers, but the idea was AWESOME and the execution was hamfisted at best )
The writing on Stargate has always bothered me... for the first few seasons of SG-1 they were intellignet about this... appropriately scaled planet populations, people spoke different languages, humans were so weak and insignificant that the Gould largely ignored them, etc, etc.
Then suddenly they drop every amount of sense of establishing deeper backgrounds and framework of their universe, for cheap morality tales. This worked in its own quaint way, but got old quick... and the Atlantis writers have just been phoning it in for 2 years now. I think there's probably a couple of writers who actually care on the staff still, thats why we get some good episodes every once in awhile.
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That wins, Heckles.
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...really depends which angle they go with, it was always said Voyager would have been a much better show if they had had the crew fighting for their lives against constant alien threats (touched on in 'The Year of Hell' and 'Equinox' eps) instead of hitting the reset button all the time. Hell, they might go one better and be more BSG (episode '33' anyone?) with the pressure kept high-it will be interesting to see what route they take.
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that is all
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MEH!!
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The Stargate has always had 9 Chevrons- just look at any gate that isn't standing up (as the stairs/pedestal it's in on the ground hides Chevrons 8 & 9) like when they're being moved around or floating in space. Chevron 8's function (to connect to a gate network in another galaxy) was discovered in Season 2, but the function of the ninth has been remained a mystery until now. There's an illustration of the gate found here for reference, and you can see all 9: http://tinyurl.com/5omsjb
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star trek sucks...admit it u trekies just mad that u never got a good star trek no once while SG lastd for more than a decade.
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are u egyptian or something?
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i think this will probably end up being the best of the whole franchise. there's enough scope for it to be quite unpredictable, for a change.
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i still dont understand why they canceled it. and why did they blow up the control room :( i like the concept art though for universe. like the industrial crude feel to it.
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the more connection the team has with the air force the better because that gives the feeling of immediacy or earthly defiance. thats what gives it its edge; the absurd nature of seeing the contemporary U.S military deal with intergalactic politics.
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Why are they still shooting bullets with all the alien tech they've assimilated? Hope they at least have energy weapons on the new series. Also hope all the planets don't look like Vancouver.
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spinoff or remake.
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and looks like stanley park
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the concept sounds boring, the art looks pretty ordinary...
where's Tombod-ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ -
...dumb, and will probably vote for obama. Obama is the type of president that will end the stargate program because it costs too much money, what an idiot. fuck off obama, also i think he might be Goa'uld. scary.
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I'd like to thank a network nearly devoid of originality and a legion of mouth breathing fans.
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Looks like what a retard would paint on his arm.
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Agreed, Voyager was the lowest point in all of Star Trek. Even worse than Star Trek V, imo. Enterprise gets unfairly shit on compared to Voyager. Every character on that show might as well have been made out of cardboard.
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The original Star Trek, TNG, DS9, and the most of the movies are far better than anything Stargate has ever offered. That's just a fact. Just because the last two Star Trek shows sucked doesn't mean Stargate wins some "best sci-fi ever" award by default. Your short term memory and bad tastes don't mean a damn thing in the long run.
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Btw.
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Oct 24, 2008 6:50:58 PM CDT
They're supposedly putting a bigger budget towards this show
by thesecondquest
The show was pitched as "an expensive series" and TPTB said that didn't want to do it if they weren't given the proper budget to make it with. I suspect this is one contributing factor to Atlantis's cancelation, so production costs could be funneled into a single show's budget instead of spread out among two.
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of shows have been doing for the last 15 years.. Male characters thick as pig shit and females logical and clever and a saviour and gorgeous and amazing and a leader and shit on the men... blahblah etc.
If it is then I'm gonna have to squeeze some fit birds boobs everytime I see this shit just to make things even. -
He'll croak durring his first oval office blow job
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The first few seasons were fantastic pure sci-fi, then they started in with the goofy camp and it went downhill fast. A few jokes here and there with RDA and Teal'c were ok, but then when they started making all the characters 'show their funny side' it all went to hell. Stargate is a great premise, but its gone horribly wrong since the movie and Season 1 of SG1
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Voyager, while crap, was actually a "success". It had more viewers than DS9 which is why they continued production on it unlike it's sister/cousin/roommate Enterprise (hehe, which my German friend called Enten-scheiss).
The Stargate crew could only hope for Universe to have similar success to Voyager. Voyager was far easier to access than DS9, which translated into a larger demographic of viewers - ie. not just hard-core Trek fans.
Problem is the beauty of Stargate, and by that I mean the first 8 seasons of SG-1, was the way they introduced all these different story ideas in the first couple seasons and then used them as story arcs for the following seasons. This way the show was far easier to access than, say, Babylon 5, but still rewarding for the fans.
SG-1 seasons 9 & 10 only had the one big story arc so it just wasn't the same and wasn't as good. While Atlantis seems to have gotten the same writers who just want to continue the "Michael" storyline and fill the rest of the season with stand-alone character episodes which don't go anywhere. After all, they introduced Ronin to be the muscle, so why do they continue to try to flesh his character out. He's the action guy, we got that, now lets move along with a more interesting story and use him appropriately.
Atlantis was pitched as a more action based Stargate show, less techno-babble than SG-1. I think they succeeded but at the cost of the show's credibility. Honestly, I don't think the current writers have what it takes to do Universe well. Stargate has less fans than Star Trek and so they'll probably use Universe to attract new fans, which will make it less watchable for current fans. That and they probably see any comparisons to Voyager as a good thing.
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Syndication vs Network. Voyager came on the same channel, same time every week in prime time. DS9 and TNG were totally syndicated, they came on whenever the local station deccided to run them, usually late night. By the time Enterprise came around, everyone had deleted their UPN affiliate from their tv because UPN sucked in general, despite Ennterprise being a 'better' show than Voyager.
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a good season of Atlantis.
Love the way they undid the really crummy way the Asgardians were basically dismissed.
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Remember, Stargate is owned by MGM not Sci-Fi so they don't make as much money off of it as they could. So once a series is on for a while I'm sure MGM and the actors start asking for more money. So it becomes cheaper to cancel the series and start a new Stargate series than it does to keep the series going.
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Big Honkin Space Guns
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Stargate is a throwback. thats the problem, the cheesy stuff doesnt work for people anymore. but think about it could anyone watch a whole season of star trek without saying Enough Already? man that shit was boring everytime even though it had a good premise and idea but still its a drag. stargate aint like that at all. plus one more thing: whats not to like about a story centered around a portal that links us to other worlds? and the characters are cool has anyone seen rodney mckay?
isnt it cool being in a world where humans from earth are liberating people in other worlds and helping mankind everywhere? trek was plain, stargate is better at conveying that message and focusing on friendships and the humor is subtle where there is a playful attitude that relieves the story from its seriousness or absurd circumstances. another problem i find in trek is that the enterprise looks like a UFO, doesnt tell u anything at all about the people inside it. if u take a look at atlantis or daedalus u get the symbolism right off the bat. -
finally got her on StarGate and they cancel the show......
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it feels like Jewel Staite would be too old for a part on SG:U
this'll be a younger *edgier* cast.
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she looked hot in uniform, and she she didnt need to show any skin.
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MattmanReturns -- VOYAGER was pretty bad. Mostly due to awful writing. Starting with the first episode, I was able to come up with alternate methods to solve the problem which would leave the crew in far better shape - and this, while-watching-the-episode! Not in retrospect! Heck in 'real time' I came up with three ways the Kaizon/Caretaker Array problem could be dealt with and still have the crew get home right away. Bad writing that when you've got the highly trained Starfleet personnel unable to think of even one. On the other hand, Enterprise was even worse, what with its willfully ignoring TREK continuity. The Klingon Empire ... THREE DAYS from Earth?! And we haven't been conquered yet?!?! Awful.
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Melvin Pelvin - Tattoos? Piercings? On a MILITARY vessel? Not bloody likely.
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is there a single scene on Sancturary that is not crappy green screen?
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because the greatest sci-fi show ever made is Andromeda. End of discussion.
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Her boyfriends had a life expantcy of zero though
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Star Trek Voyager?
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Well, pretty much this entire episode is on a plane that is actually there so yes it seems as if there are scenes that aren't crappy green screen.
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1st season *The Torment of Tantalus* wow'ed me
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It's *worse* - it's SPACE: 1999!!!
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We're launching skateboards over Godzilla with this one.
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Stargate: Universe rules. #1 no Asgard. #2 no Gou'ld. #3 no replicators. #4 no wraith. ONLY NEW SPECIES. Is that so hard to do?
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On Atlantis, women are pretty useless.
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"The crew will travel to the far reaches of the universe, connecting with each of the previously launched Stargates."
Okay, but...
"If someone is left behind, there is no way to go back for them, adding to the drama of encountering new races, enemies and adventures."
Theoretically, if someone is stranded on a planet, can't they just gate back to Earth? Even IF the ship is in another galaxy (thus requiring an 8-symbol address), the ship would eventually make it to planets in the milky way, right? It could create some tension in the short term, but in the long term the idea falls apart from the franchise's own rules and continuity. -
You get a decent graphic on a t-shirt of that. I'll buy one
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in scifi.
It'll be planet of hats stories.
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who read Rendezvous with Rama.
Oh, Oh Man!
This is so cool.
People can get left behind!
It's like the countdown thing on sliders, but way bigger. The whole fucking ship!
So they're like always under the clock.
Dewd, you rule, that totally fucking rawks.
Yeah I know, and like there'll be babes and like they'll be like wearing nothing.
d00d!
Yeah and like every episode doesn't have to have anything to do with any other episodes, co like it like a new planet and new babes.
Oh wow dude, it's so cool that your related to Bonnie Hammer.
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Be prepared for episodes of the characters being dick-teased with a chance to go back to earth but they have to make a moral high ground choice that leaves them lost in space, or someone fucks it up for them.
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The look has never been a problem for Stargate - it's the boring, predictable and unsexy approach to every episode. No one hooks up - there's no interpersonal conflicts, nothing ever happens and nothing is ever resolved. The producers should sit down and be forced to watch Battlestar Galactica before they put pen to paper. Oh, and put Rodney McKay on this one, too.
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You bunch of fucking hacks. The shows have a long life and if either of these problems were true then it wouldn't be shown. Shut the fuck up.
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Dr. Smith will ruin every chance they have of getting home
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BSG is nonsense dont try to idolizing it. and pottymouth3000, are u freaking kidding me? you want a threesome in stargate r something, pretty much sounds like it. BSG is as superficial as it gets lol that show will be forgotten and remembered for its terrible themes. Stargate is above that shit so dont even try you know im right.
secondly, you guys critizing the whole canadian backwoods thing are idiots, whats wrong with that every sci fi show even BSG is done there, its just more prevalent in Stargate coz of the type of adventure story that requires it. and to be frank here i wouldve liked a little Canadian backwoods in the star wars prequels. stargate is down to earth, humans at their best, surprising twists, always new, never ends,a strong friendship is what keeps us going and you only realize who ur friends really are when faced with difficult situations, charting a new course for humanity by stepping through the gate, and most of all knowing that their is meaning to life. cant say the same for star trek or BSG. but BSG is the worst though, it gotta a revolutionary nihilistic style but its stories lack substance. doesnt resonant -
Among the commnets the producers have said about Stargate Unievrse as it's approached production is that it would be more on it's own and not a direct spin-off like Atlantis was.
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As I understand it, the ship departed from the Milky Way (or perhaps Pegasus?) to go to other galaxies and set up gate networks there. If someone is left behind in SGU, I imagine they would be able to gate to other planets within that galaxy's system, but once the ship goes on to the next galaxy, tehre'd be not way to "keep up with the ship" or get back to Earth as doing either would (as you point out) require them to dial an 8-symbol address, but to dial an 8-symbol address you need a ZPM or similar power source, and that's something a recon team isn't likely to have (given the scarcity of ZPMs, they're not going to risk losing one the few they have on an unpredictable recon mission), nor is it likely they're going to find a ZPM on any worlds since the Ancients never went there.
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i like how they say 'plothole' when they themselves know nothing of the show. get this guys: know what the show is about first then you can argue whether there is a plothole. I bet most people here including the people crying plotholes dont even know how long can a stargate wormhole stay open for, normally that is.
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I keed, I keed.Star Trek FTW, BTW.
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Which is a sentence I never thought I'd type in my life. Stargate Atlantis looks fine, they don't need anything redesigned. What they need is for things to happen. They live in some sterile asexual where relationships don't form and there is rarely any serious conflict among the regulars. No amount of cool new gadgets will fix that. Keep Atlantis and hire better writers.
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They need for things to happen?
No relationships or serious conflict among the regulars?
What?? The writing is EXCELLENT on Stargate. No there there aren't fits being thrown like BSG, but there is much more humor and witty writing. Long live Stargate!! -
srry, typed that too fast.
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I love every episode of SG1 and SG:A and this one sounds like great concept. Better than Star Trek: Voyager. Ewwwww. Count me in.
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38 minutes.
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Does anyone really give a shit?
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like blhotz said, if u want relationships and sex go watch a chick flick u losers. wow im amazed BSG ruined all ur tastes. u got an excellent show right in front of u yet ur blinded by stupid conceptions. this is a sad day for nerds. and for the record the writing by far is the best. its rare nowadays to see a show that sticks to its themes and does justice to its characters. but u guys just want to see weird conflicted characters for some unknown reason. but resilient ones--- "NO we cant have that, that would be childish!" but its okay i dont blame anyone the show aint for everyone i suppose. but i cant help but say: fuck u retards go drink ur mother's milkshake!
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The "plothole" post by TheGoddamnSiege showed at least a casual familiarity with the show and it's dialing rules- his only mistake was not recalling (or perhaps not being aware of) the power requirements and assuming the ship would be headed back to the Milky Way; which are understandable. I don't think Stargate has to be compared to BSG or the other way around- they provide different types of entertainment in a similar base genre, that's all.
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TV is TV. i cant compare star wars to Stargate but i can compare star wars tv show to stargate. get my point? what i certainly dislike about BSG is what it did to sci fi shows, look at the sci fi channel and you would see that there is not one producer willing to create a space show because they think it will never compete with BSG or will never achieve the same status. this is also the reason why many here didnt give a shit about Universe even though it is partially catered for those BSG hungry fans. i dont mind the existance of BSG it certainly did good in giving sci fi TV a mainstream audience, but its disadvantage outweigh everything, forget the idea of seeing another farscape or firefly or a doctor who type of show; all these are considered inferior based on the false conception that they are not serious or are not meant to be taken seriously. everything now has been Batmanized and Bournized, if u notice even james bond sunk a new low with what they did to that character. BSG did the same to sci fi TV.
and the guy asked a stupid question...just goes to show u that they only look at stargate at the its surface, not the profound aspects of it. i think stargate holds deeper themes than BSG, but comparable to star trek. BSG is just for fun nothing gained nothing lost, completely forgettable especially after everyone finds out who the last cylon is...reminds me of that crappy LOST show. kids today are growing up watching a threesome with cylons and seeing a world without a glimpse of hope, humanity dead in the water. it would be more prudent for kids in dark times like today with terrorism and all that misdirection, to gain a sense of hope. why do we have to add to our troubles by watching a sci fi space opera show that tries its best to relate to all our daily contemporary troubles. at least stargate offers a true escape. -
...that there's room in this world for shows like Stargate and for shows like Battlestar Galactica. That is all.
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I'm not going crazy if I miss out on a few eps, and occasionally it has some very cool twists/revelations/battles. (The last good thing they did: the lost tribe's identity.) Although Atlantis didn't come together as good as SG-1, I have to admit.
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Maybe I should have phrased it better, but I didn't mean to suggest they can't be compared, but rather it doesn't have to be an either/or situation. There's room for both. I can know Star Trek, love B5 and Farscape, enjoy BSG and be addicted to Stargate all at once :)
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Agree 100%. It's a fun little franchise, and always a good pick-me-up when you're down or need something to look forward to at the end of a long week.
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lol ah there is no room for both, one eliminates the other. SG-1 sadly got OWNED by BSG. so did Atlantis. two shows cant co-exist, one must rule them all. proof of this was the cancellation of shows that wouldve never ended otherwise. see what im sayin, if u like stargate more than BSG then fight for it before it is taken away from you.
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I dont hate BSG i just think its a disease. before it i thought sci fi space shows were immune to crappy TV junk aimed at the stupid masses but then that changed clearly. I hope Universe doesnt become infected.
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Say what you will but you know I'm right. What's the point of watching a show if you can miss ten episodes and not be the slightest bit confused about what is going on? The writing is vanilla and pointless - no one is changed, injured, falls in love, has a bad sexual experience - nothing. You can hate on BSG but shit happens on that show. People die and don't come back. Ships blow up - people are stranded, they get divorced, turn into alcoholics, poison their wives. What happens on Stargate? Oh, the Wraith are back...again. We can't raise the shields, again. We can only get the gate working if we move this glowing blue chip to this glowing blue slot...again. I blame Canada. Look at Smallville, Flash Gordon, all the crap on USA and SciFi - produced and written in Canada - the least edgiest country in the world. These shows are safe and thus, forgettable. Sure, they're on for a hundred years but that doesn't make them good. It makes them inexpensive enough to fill a timeslot.
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what is this - a special episode of Family Ties?
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BSG didn't ruin SG-1. The obvious change in story quality from season 8 to 9 did. Same thing happened in The X-Files and Babylon 5. They finished their main story arc, got another season green-lit, and decided to keep making more money. Not a dumb move, but they certainly didn't reach the same heights as when the series was in full swing.
As to whether you think Atlantis is better than BSG - there's no accounting for taste. It's like comparing House to Scrubs. Both are highly successful, both are about medicine, both are done in very different ways. There have been some bad stuff in all shows, it just depends on what puts you to sleep while you watch it (surely the sign of poor entertainment... or a tired audience).
dixholster is just a Stargate asshole. Like Lost assholes, or Da Vinci Code assholes - ie. people who feel the need to defend these things violently, because they've forgotten it's all just light entertainment. -
Diox- Sci-Fridays used to work pretty well- The holy trinity of SG-1, SGA and BSG had them all co-exist greatly, until SFC broke up them up to try and take on network schedules. Pottymouth- Stargate does do clip shows on occasion, though Atlantis hasn't done one since Season 1. They often tend to end up being really good episodes, surprisingly enough. SG-1's "Politics", "Disclosure" and SGA's "Letters From Pegasus" are some of my favorite episodes, and last night's episode addressed something fans had been asking about for a few seasons (namely, how the greater Pegasus galactic inhabitants feel about Atlantis acting on their behalf without consulatation and all the crap they've caused).; Amy- see, I disagree that there was an obvious change in story quality. IMO, Season 9 was arguably the strongest season of the entire franchise- it had a deliberate pacing and buildup to the Ori threat and eventualy Supergate invasion. The only reason it might feel like a shift in gears was because Season 9+ was supposed to be a new series titled "Stargate Command", but Sci-fi wanted to go for the north american record and so they kept it as SG-1- and this unfortunately is also what killed the show because keeping the SG-1 name meant keeping all the production costs (pay raises, etc) that had accumulated over 8 seasons and that's why SFC killed SG-1 one season early. Had they gone with SGC, the costs would have been significantly lower and the Ori arc would have gotten it's full due.
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being better than previous seasons was it had just the one main story arc. If you like a show just for that kind of thing you could almost get away with that view.
But nothing forgives the drop in writing quality. When Atlantis started everyone thought the Wraith were a joke bad-guy. Long white hair, scary teeth, and they'll eat you - with their hand. Classic monster, yes, but credible enemy for a whole series...
Well, Atlantis was doing better stories in its 2nd & 3rd seasons with the Wraith than SG-1 was in seasons 9 & 10 with the Ori. The loss of Jack O'Neil & General Hammond was a noticeable problem. Mitchell, Vala & Landry just not as interesting or well written. Although Vala was the best character in the show now, which says alot for how they were writing Teal'c (who's SG-1 storyline really ended in season 8), Carter & Jackson.
The wonderful complexity of the simultaneous Replicator, Goauld, Ancients, & Asgard storylines - sometimes separate, sometimes related. All gone. The archaeological discoveries were still there, but the magic was gone. Its like they were writing by numbers.
In short, I just didn't find the last couple seasons as fun to watch. And fun is what Stargate has always had over any other sci-fi show. Wish they'd remember how to do it right again. -
again and again?
Nathan Filion is rolling in his grave. If he was dead. -
I disagree so far as Season 9 goes (I agree Season 10 had some problems, not sure what happened there). The big arc was one thing, but I think the side stories fleshed out some interesting aspects of the show's universe, post-Goa'uld (such as the Lucien Alliance- loved the notion of an underworld faction coming into play). I liked Vala (though I find Ties That Bind the sole weaklink in the whole season, but that could be just the result of a comedic episode following the super-dramatic and awesome "Origin". The Ori presented a different kind of challenge- we couldn't out-do their tech like the Goa'uld where enough bullets and C4 could solve 90% of your problems, nor were the Ori like the Goa'uld where we knew we could outthink *most* of them (obviously there were several like Baal who were quite clever, but Apophis wasn't all that sharp). You had to try to use logic and reason to convince people not to convert to their cause- and a struggle of that nature brings Daniel Jackson's best talents to the forefront. I liked Landry- he wasn't the tough fatherly character of Hammond but I liked that he didn't mind coming across as a jolly old ass every now and then ("feel free to burst into flames"). the rest of the season consisted of episodes like Ethon and Beachhead (IMO among the finest episodes in the series, particularly the former), as well as a very fun Alternate Universe story (Ripple Effect- I love AU stories), an Anubis-followup (I'm also aprtial to telekinetic action sequences, so that was very fun- and the actor playing him was pretty good too, both here and in Blade the Series), not to mention a Last Samurai-esque mini-arc and Baal plotlines. All led up to the great Camelot episode.
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I always thought that clip shows were a way to save money for later episodes. Hopefully, the money saved on this week's episode will go towards the series finale.
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(don't know the code for paragraph breaks, so i wanted to break up my comments at least somewhat). Another thing is I find Season to definitely be superior to at least 7 & 8, so it felt like an increase in writing quality if there was any shift at all. Now, granted, Seasons 7 & 8 had some of the greatest episodes ever- Heroes, Lost City, Reckoning pt 2 and Threads top anything in Season 9, but that doesn't make up for Season 7 feeling full of filler episodes (as they were just trying to fill the artificial gap between Full Circle and Lost City) and Season 8 having several episodes that felt super-rushed (such as Full Alert and Reckoning pt1) as if they squeezed a 2-parter plot into a single episode, followed by the subpar Moebius finale. (which is not to say I didn't enjoy most of Season 8, just nowhere near as much as 9).
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I'm sure that's part of the benefit of a clip show, though in the past it's been used to help catch new viewers up on past events for a season finale (Politics summarizes the bigger things leading up to the Season 1 finale, Disclosure for Season 6's, Inauguration is a direct setup for Lost CIty, etc). Whether Atlantis's clipshow last week plays the same function probably depends on what degree this new pegasus federation plays into things by season's end.
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And your knowledge of Stargate episodes is up there with my B5 knowledge. Well done. -
his or her perspective. That round door is seriously off. Technique is not to bad though.
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i dont know what u guys are talking about but i always loved clip shows,and this fridays one like secondquest said was a special one because it answers all those questions that were on our minds. whether the atlantis expedition caused more harm than good; thing is Pegasus needs us, i mean atlantis nowmatter what, and Atlantis always had noble intentions. I especially liked what woolsey did. and the last scene where they were smoking cigars at the balcony was classic stargate motif "at the end of the day we are still bad asses" i think this episode is one of the best ones this season for sure, i must admit lost tribe couldve been way better even though it had memorable scenes in it. and for the pple who critize the show for not be sexy enough; go poison ur mother and see if she likes it...jk if u seen Lost Tribe they ended the love triangle bit really well much better than BSG, it was a modest ending for something that couldve spiraled into a disaster of sorts. they saved it, but i feel sorry for ronin though. and keller didnt turn out to be an attention seeker, she gained class. thats one more thing i like about this show; they portray women really well and i like them all, my favorite are Elizabeth Weir and Sam Carter. BSG is sexist you cant argue that.
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I know I'm coming in a bit late here, but I can't let this TB end with such a lie.
BSG has a female president, presidential aide, admiral, top-gun, bridge officer, deck officer, religious leader, and that's just off the top of my head.
Stargate may have done it before (although it stands on the shoulders of Star Trek), but to say BSG is sexist is just silly. -
dig deeper... the aspect u mentioned about the show is very superficial. having women run around through the whole show holding high positions isnt what makes a show non-sexist...in fact they are being used as a role-play attraction...much like a strip club
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Those couple lines I wrote are superficial by default. I'm hardly going to write something profound into a list. I was just pointing out that what you wrote was wrong. BSG isn't sexist and I can argue that (you may not believe the first part, but the fact that we're writing this already means you're 50% mistaken - I'll just show why you didn't stop there).
If you see the female characters in BSG being descriminated against - that there is some kind of male chauvanistic behaviour going on in the story writing - you are seeing a different thing to me (and the countless audience members who enjoy the intelligent balance of action and philosophy that is BSG).
While if I see the use of Sam Carter as the token female in SG-1 (you can almost hear the writers thinking "we'll make her smart so she has something to contribute"), Weir as a Janeway ripoff, and Keller as such an unbelieveable choice as head-of-medicine on an off-world expedition that the writers thought "we better give her a love interest, because the only thing believable about her is she's hot and someone will want to do her" - I would be thinking Stargate is the sexist one.
I ofcourse don't think this of Stargate, but I guess you can make any bullshit stick if you try hard enough. -
right here: http://tinyurl.com/2hu4bm
two words: Shock Value....and more words: women are portrayed as bitches. what happened to being professional and responsible. i get that the show is about robots that exploit human's weaknesses but comon. the women in BSG suffer from an over-amplified ego.
---and Sam is smart thats why she got something to contribute, because it sure aint gonna be her fighting skills. at first she was more of a liability to the team because the world out there is tough for men and women but especially for a woman. but i must say it was Daniel that went through many hells. and whats different about Weir is the fact she blended in the role...it seemed right not forced. she was a leader by nature. the fact that she as a woman didnt come to mind at all. -
David tennant has announced that he is quitting Dr who at the end of 2009. He made the announcement while accepting the award for best male performance, He is currently getting rave reviews for perfromance as hamlet with Patrick Stewart. The news that tennant is leaving is something of a suprise. but at least it ends all the speculation. "Dr Who is off the air untill 2009. When the series returns in 2010 it will not be with me. But donr worry you will all the specials to look forward to. I know I said that you would have to drag me out of the tardis as a skeleton but I cant be dr who forver." Russell T davis mentioned who he would like to replace David Tennant. He revealed the name of the actor. BUt I cannot remember his name. Russell something.....
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Joking ofcourse!
dioxholster - are you basing your opinion of BSG on watching the whole show thus far or on that comic con footage? Ads never portray their product properly, just the particular aspect the advertiser thinks the particular demographic wants to see. I could make a clip reel to sell Stargate as a kids show - but we all know it's more than that.
There's alot of anger in BSG because, unlike Stargate, the human race has been pretty much decimated, they're constantly being hunted, and you don't know if your friend could be one of the enemy - and that's just a superficial summation of the plot. BSG is a completely different story from Stargate, done in a completely different style. I think Sam, Weir & Keller in the BSG universe would be letting out a "f**k" or two under those circumstances.
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i dont wanna watch it anyway...but its changing things, its popularity made shitty changes to the genre dont u get it, it walked on our turf.
lets face it, BSG is for stupid teenagers, i know i was one and i probably wouldve liked it too.
but BSG is just too wannabe cool edgy i dont know what to call it, i just think its laughable. i dont know how people take it seriously. and u said something importnt, pple do now after watching BSG think stargate stuff is for kids coz it aint serious dark or edgy, i dont know why that is so. since not so many kids watch stargate anyway and they seem hooked on BSG. even back then. oh i think u meant FRAK! wow nice influence telling kids its cool to say those things. sorry no thanks. stargate and star trek is what inspirational sci fi really is about. BSG is just a sick parody. -
"Brad pitched us the series and its first five episodes and, I have to say, it's a far cry from the shallow confection many fans are imagining," Mallozzi wrote last month. "In fact, in many ways, it's a much more cerebral and mature addition to the franchise. While firmly entrenched in pre-established Stargate mythology, Stargate Universe definitely strikes out in an exciting new direction. It's a series that will delight veteran fans, but also appeal to newcomers who may not necessarily know the difference between an Alteran and an Asuran.
"In spite of what the indicators may suggest, this will definitely not be a Voyager: 90210. The assortment of characters that make up the character breakdown are certainly an atypical collection of heroes, far-removed from the skilled likes of Jack O'Neill, Samantha Carter, John Sheppard, and Rodney McKay -- but there's a damn good reason for that." -
you should like Universe. Good. Thing that interests me is if they can make it more cerebral hopefully it becomes as interesting as early SG-1. Worst case it'll be not so much Voyager 90210, but CSI: Stargate.
BSG has changed sci-fi TV as much as Dark Knight has changed superhero/comic-book movies. Producers are very much aware that these shows attract crowds and crowds equal money, so they naturally want to be in on that. But Dark Knight exists along side Iron Man which sits beside Hellboy, all good superhero fliks done in different styles for different audiences. But they're all successful and just because Dark Knight is "serious dark or edgy" doesn't mean it's changed film making so nothing else works and no one wants to watch anything else.
So let BSG be for stupid teenagers (even though its arguably & evidently not). Gives me something to talk about with them (I can't keep up with the top 40). I'll be watching BSG, Stargate, Fringe, Doctor Who, and a whole bunch of other sci-fi because variety is a wonderful thing.
As for kids being exposed to the horrors of television language... we'll leave that situation to the discretion of their responsible parents, don't ya think? Or failing that we've always got the classification boards to inform us when something contains "Mild Themes"... -
Dark Knight (being darker & more "realistic") is to BSG as Iron Man (being more about fun escapism) is to Stargate. There's room for both.
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iron man is successful because it already has a huge fan base way before the movie came out...and if u heard what Favreau the director said you would know that hes gonna try to mimic dark knight in the second iron man...iron man was lucky to be released first or else it wouldve been less exciting to see it. and talking about realism...dark knight is not realism nothing is real about it but it does a good job at making you believe that...stargate is much more real than batman. and seondquest: never ever talk their word for it...you think they are gonna come out and say oh yeah i think the show that we are doing is crappy. of course not and if u look at history you would know who broke their promises and who lied from the start. stargate fans didnt take Brad's words seriously because they only way they can really know is when the show is aired. but if u look at the casting call u would already know whats coming. apparently realism has been reduced to sadistic existential nihilism.
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...but that they're publically acknowledging the initial response fans have had the concept so early on is promising. It strikes me that if the Voyager claims were too close to the mark, the producer's wouldn't address such notions until after the show was well into it's first season, and just emphasize the positiive spin instead.
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"iron man is successful because it already has a huge fan base" - That's the only reason? Is that even true? I've read a number of reviews where people hadn't even heard of Iron Man before the film. Have you met this fan base? I'm sure it has one, but how huge is it? I'm guessing somewhere between Superman huge & Hellboy semi-decent, yeah?
Thing is, no one knows how a film will do based on a fan base. Look at Daredevil, or Ghost Rider, or The Punisher. All have fan bases, but they didn't do as well in the cinemas because the films weren't particularly good. Iron Man got it right and audiences responded by going to see it more, and telling their friends about it who went to see it. Positive critical and commercial success. Dark Knight has it, so did Iron Man. If the films sucked, they'd have ended up like that Clone Wars flik - and no movie arguably has a bigger fan base than Star Wars.
As for Stargate having more realism than Batman - or Stargate Universe becoming a BSG clone... now I'm the one who's "lol... speechless". -
stargate is about a contained wormhole, operated by the government, that opens our eyes to far away worlds, batman is about a rich guy flying around the city in a bat suit... which is more absurd?
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I didn't mention specifically the need for a ZPM to dial 8 symbol addresses --which anyone who has seen the pilot for Atlantis should know. Or even the first time O'Neil had the Ancient database downloaded into his brain, eventually leading him to create a crude ZPM (though not in name) to dial the Asgard galaxy-- because it wasn't really necessary information for the point I was trying to make.
Unless, of course, not doing so somehow diminishes my "1337 gate skillz" as this "dioxfucker" fellow seems to figure.
What I was trying to say was, if the ship is just traveling around visiting previously-placed Stargates, then any team member "left behind" should be able to simply gate back to Earth. This is, of course, providing they're in the Milky Way. And even if they aren't to begin with, they'll probably end up there eventually.
Oh, and dioxfucker, it's 38 minutes. Notable exceptions popping into my head are: the black hole episode from season 2 of SG-1, and the Pegasus Replicators using that Satellite beam thing on Atlantis.
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