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Yeah, that SpikeTV WATCHMEN footage is online. You'll want to see this...
SPOILER ALERT !!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. This footage is mostly a reworking of the Comic-Con footage, but with a few goodies in there for us Con attendees... or at least the 10,000 lucky enough to get into the hall.
The more we see of WATCHMEN, the more amazing it looks. Can Snyder really have pulled this off? I think the answer is going to be a resounding yes... however, we still haven't seen much character interaction and no full scenes played out. But I gotta believe this movie's great. After the test screening reviews and the footage we have all seen now, it just has to rock. Let's hope we can all see it and Fox doesn't fuck it up. If it was any studio that'd some how fuck us out of seeing a good superhero movie, even if it was at another studio, it'd be Fox.
Anyway, here's the footage... and some pretty massive spoilers, I think, if you don't know the graphic novel. Enjoy!
MovieBox.net's capture of the footage up on YouTube here!!!
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Can't wait for this one!
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Most anticipated flick for me now...
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I think they added some stuff from the con. I dont remember Manhattan blowing up that tank, for example. Could be a shotty memory. And they added the music from the trailer instead of some instrumental track. The more and more I see footage, the more faith I get in the hope that this won't suck.
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More please! Gimme this movie now thanks. Alan can keep his head stuck up his ass, I'm seeing this!
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but visually this looks great, as it should considering the director.
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SQUID!!!!
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It looks really comic-booky.
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Can't wait to see this movie
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i've never read the GN but that looked amazing!
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What the hell was the atomic explosion behind Niteowl and Silk Spectre's kissing ? Did I forget something from the comic or is this the dead giveaway for the "squidless" ending ?
I will say this for Mr Snyder , the damn thing looks exactly right.The characters look good and right. To be honest , if everything else is great I will,...sigh.... accept no squid. But I won't be happy while I eat it . -
Can't wait.
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that's not an explosion--I think Dr Manhattan just dismantles the whole thing.. probably reassembling it later..?
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March can't be here soon enough!!!
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That kissing scene is from Dan's dream. On the night he can't "close the deal" with Laurie.
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If I'm not mistaken, the nuclear explosion is from a nightmare that Dan has. I can't remember exactly, but I think it's right after he fails to perform with Laurie.
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Or 3D-Man can just totally beat me to the explanation.
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I'm as excited for this movie as the next guy, but...
That was it??
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I know I'll get flamed on but it looks like ass. It's gonna suck unless you've never read the book. Snyder blew it. I offer an open apology from all of humanity to Alan Moore.
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increasingly tired of Bullet Time Effects used in films. It's a Fad! one that needs to die a horrible death! In the future people will look down on it more than some are now. It will date films. I get that it's used to add some sort of punch to the moment by exploiting every microsecond of the action, but it's really old, unoriginal and lame. I hate it!
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I didn't remember it because it's not really obvious as a mushroom cloud in the book. So still no obvious evidence of a lack of squidness.
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...there was an extra pdestrian running in one of the shots - Gibbons didn't have that many in the original! He's ruined it! Ruined it, I tells ya! Curse that Zach Snyder and...oh what the hell. Why care? I spent many years never expecting this to be made into a movie, many years hearing it couldn't be made into a movie and now I have my movie and I'm going to enjoy it knowing full wll that it isn't Alan Moore's 'Watchman' because his exists in a book. This is Zach Snyder's 'Watchman' in the same way that Mario Puzo's 'The Godfather' exists alongside Francis Ford Coppola's version. And so there's no squid...so go read the graphic novel if you want squid.
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Do you think that somewhere , Sam Peckinpah is laughing his ass off?
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are multiple endings that will be tested...so the squiddy may still be in...and this teaser did absolutely nothing for me
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It's roughly equivalent to taking the extra time to stare at the most striking panels in the comic. Who among us didn't take some extra time watching the Comedian fall to his death?
I like this footage. I think it's beautiful. I can't wait for the movie. -
I'm starting to believe that the whole movie is slow motion and action scenes without any dialogue.
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It's the only series Marvel has whose premise holds a candle to Watchmen. Marvel could crash DC's party by releasing this before WB can do their shit Justice League film.
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Not much footage I haven't seen before. And Snyder is just going to mimic every panel in the comic bookzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Sorry I nodded off. And still nothing resembling an actual scene. Just like 300, I can't get into it as a movie. Looks too unreal.
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I've read about 180 or so minutes, but since this footage makes it clear that it is filmed at 1/6 the normal speed, it should in fact be about 30 minutes. Is the dialogue slowed down, too? And shouldn't it be retitled to "Wwwaaaaaaaaaatttchhhhhhmmmmmmmeeeeeeeennnn"?
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Yes, even now in the dark night of the soul.
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Oct 22, 2008 5:05:09 AM CDT
wasn't that just the trailer that was attached to Batman?
by the power of greyskull
I'm sure I saw the exact same trailer on the IMAX?
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It's practically the same trailer, though sadly not better.
Three shots particularly annoyed the shit out of me : 1. ) Rorsharch suddenly jumping into the window, then, looking straight into the camera like a fuck; 2. ) that horrid zoom-out across the Antartic headquarters, 3. ) Dr. Manhattan's obnoxious hand gestures while after having dismantled the tank; and ( well, this is just a thing of the trailer, anyway ), 4. ) that very awkward cut of Silk Specter running to the camera. I had NONE of these sort of complaints about the first one, which was indeed awe-aspiring and jaw-dropping in its grace, and evoked an assured maturity from Mr. Snyder. So, betwen those and the alleged ending, the film ought to straighten things out, and continue on that initial promise. 'Coz man .... -
You do realise that the Squadron Supreme is just the thinly veiled Marvel version of the Justice League, right? They were originally created when a crossover was planned where the Avengers would meet the Justice League, but after the plan fell through Marvel did the story anyway, they just renamed Superman Hyperion, Wonder Woman Power Princess, Batman Nighthawk, Green Lantern Doctor Spectrum, Aquaman the Amphibian (later made into a woman in the relaunch) the Flash the Whizzer (though renamed Blur), etc. I'm a huge fan of Straczynski's relaunched version, starting in Supreme Power, although it got worse as it went on hence him leaving because in his own words 'it started to suck'. But I really can't imagine Marvel ever going to the big screen with a property that is an unabashed ripoff. It's about as likely as seeing DC coming up with a new property called 'Arachnoboy' and Warner's making a film of it.
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Oct 22, 2008 5:29:13 AM CDT
Probably one of the greatest things ever produced by Mankind!
by orionsangels
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"multiple endings that will be tested..." Uh, you've got a hot, well-known property and then come up with a different ending?! Are these people insane?
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Wack.
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Usually the photographers for promotional movies are done by a completely different set of people. This means different photo directors (if youcould call them that), different photographers who USUALLY have a completely different taste to the tone of the movie. (Note : The Entertainment Weekly cover). Here's hoping Snyder have some sort of control of ANY pictures of THE WATCHMEN taken outside the movies.
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... when I heard the project was really going ahead. I've read good things about it since then, but now this ANNOYING slow-motion effect gets old real fast. And that terrible soundtrack? I think I'm going to give it a miss and stick with re-watching IRON MAN.
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Either that or crying.
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Methinks this will be as classic as the book.
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The violence should not be in slo-mo! It should be fast, vicious and painful. Think Polanski vs. Tarantino. This movie should have been made by someone who has had a loaded gun pointed to their head at some point. Someone who has seen people die. Someone who knows that this isn't a story about how awesome it is to see a guy fall from 40 stories up. Snyder is a really nice guy and that mushroom cloud shot is brilliantly done, but he's all wrong for this.
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THIS IS HOW YOU MAKE A COMIC BOOK MOVIE. Dr Manhattan is 80ft tall walking around and shit. They show it! Unlike the FF2 movie. They can't show Galactus? X-men movies can't show a Sentinal? Weak sauce!
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I'm sure the movie will have some slow motion, but this is a trailer, and I prefer slo-mo over a bunch of rapid shots that I have to pause the trailer to catch glimpses of. Wait until the actual movie comes out to start complaining about slo-mo. Also, if you notice, it kind of syncs with the song (which is awesome), so it is slow appropriately with the brooding song.
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You clearly know by now that the Squidlessness aspect is big one at the moment, and will remain so if it proves true come March. We understand if you guys have signed a secrecy clause with the studio, but if there's anything you can do to give us hope of an alternate ending, rather than just a bunch of yawnfest bombs going off, please do it. I have money..?
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so far. Can't wait till the fanboy bitching begins. O right, that has already started with the Portland screening spoilers a few days ago.
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I'd rather watch women. Eh, what ever floats your boat.
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This is from the non-squiddy version. After the watchhands hit 12 that is Doc and Laurie teleporting BACK from Mars and they ain't in the centre of New York with a Squid. They are on the edge of a ruined freeway looking onto what is in all likelyhood a Gigantic crater of destruction wrought by the Doc "machine" (as I shall call it)
However, lets remember this is a fucking TRAILER. And I doubt even Snyder will go quite as crazy with the slo-fast-mo in the film proper. (he'd better not as too much will just become very annoying.)
I for one think Rorschach's mask looks creeeeepy as hell, like it SHOULD. And FYI in the Comic Rorschach looks STRAIGHT in from the window as he does in the trailer. It is only one of the most iconic panels in the fucking book after all. Karnack does look slightly iffy but I'll reserve judgement till I see more of it. The owlship looks great though. Jon makes a hand gesture to dismantle things in the comic. And Jons hand goin for Ozy is exactly right! Lets hope they keep his dialogue for that bit.
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based on what we have seen so far. The complaining is so anal. It's certainly not gonna be the comic but it sure is looking like it's going to be the watchmen.
as long as he captures the essence then it's all good.
And seriously, who didn't enjoy the fuck out of 300 in the cinema?
You can call it whatever you like but it was a pretty amazing cinematic experience. If you DLed a crappy cam version then you have no right to complain. -
I didn't enjoy the fuck out of 300 in the cinema. Nor did the other 200 people I saw it with who shuffled out of the cinema in complete silence.
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Cause seriously, that gave me a little boner.
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Really? cause every time I saw it (thrice), everyone was going batshit insane.
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...and then freeze frame and then reassemble. All set to the Smashing Pumpkins song from the soundtrack to the Greatest Comic Book Movie ever made. Kewl.
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I enjoyed the fuck out of 300 AND Dawn Of The Dead. So I guess there are TWO of us (Speed and myself) who like what Zack does. Phew, what a relief. I thought i was only fan. Thanks Speed.
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thankyou. woohoo, that's three. wonder if we can make 300?
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Looking again that looks more like a ruined building than a road. BUT it IS Jon and Laurie teleporting back (notice Laurie about to double up and puke. Nice touch!) And if it was squiddytown we would surely see him.
The more I think about "Bombs" or a variant thereof from the Jon "machine", the wronger and less impressive it seems. It's basically saying Ozy solves the instractable problem with a pedestrian solution that involves explosions, exotic machinery and blaming Jon. Hell Ozy could have made some Nukes all by himself easily and still blamed Jon. All we have is a bloodless equation of a dozen or so nuke like explosions of destruction to prevent the thousands of Nukes of a complete Holocaust. The Ending NEEDS to be exotic and strange and horrific and unexpected or the so called Gordian Knot Genius of Ozy is complete fail and we lose the exotic strngeness that the whole story relies on. -
This looks even better. I have no worries.
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Without spoiling anything, the notebook closer is key. It's Rorschach's final move in an incredibly complicated strategy. If it's missing, I'll be pretty annoyed.
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I haven't even seen the movie yet and that slo-mo, fast-mo shit is already tired. This will be loved to death by people who thought 300 was 'the shit' and hated by people who love and understand cinema.
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I didn't really like the squid in the book. I realize some think it was meant to be awkward or goofy in the novel, but I just felt it didn't fit. I think it is more important to get the purpose of the squid across. I like the idea of the Dr. Manhattan factor because to me it makes sense as to why he leaves anyways. I'm hoping they just paint him as rogue enough and maybe he hurts America enough that it makes sense that other countries (Russia) would not blame America for his actions. Hopefully whatever it is makes Veidt look as smart as he is.
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Looks really bloated and serious. What's so good about Watchmen anyway?
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The movie would utterly lose all it's worth if the final notebook scene isn't there. It wrapped up the novel so perfectly. I realize that this is not the novel, but it is such a huge final moment that it should not be left out.
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I'm not sure what was new. The lions share of that was in the movie teaser. I'm not impressed as far as that goes. Looks great though, and I'm totally in. But I'll miss the squid.
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Take your love and understanding of cinema and cram it up your pretentious ass, you dick. It's a TRAILER. Not the entire movie. All the 'slo-mo fast-mo shit' was cut to serve the purpose of the TRAILER, and will no doubt exist in some other form in the actual movie. Do you get it? Trailer. Movie. Feel free to let that one process for a while, dipshit.
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For those of you who didn't read Moriarty's comment in the other Watchmen thread, according to him, the final notebook/journal scenes are intact. See what happens when you take time out from bitching and actually read what others have to say?
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Heh.
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not sure what was so spoilery about that. just seemed like the typical stuff you'd see in a trailer, and yeah sometimes they show too much but i dont feel spoiled. looks cool, that blast at the end was pretty but not as pretty as the one Indy watched. :P
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general silence on all this...
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...Harry & co would be all over it with the rumour-mongering like white on rice...
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Possibly the worst film of the year (well, maybe after Spidey 3). The trailer for it, however, was cool.
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You humorless tit. Lighten up.
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The Smashing Pumpkins song in the first trailer was cool but don't overuse it. Geez, now it's time to, I dunno, give us some speaking scenes. And, no, one-liners don't count.
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Is it just me, or does 90% of that footage seem to be either in slow- or fast-motion? It's just really bothersome. He's developed this stylistic tic that's bordering on the pathological. I picture Synder on the set, gun to the D.P.'s head, screaming, "SLOWER! SLOWER! NOW...WAIT...FAST FAST FAST...".
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why would Snyder want to make a movie with New York destroyed at the end by a large creature when the same thing was just recently done in Cloverfield?
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It will vaporize the Vietcong!
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for snippet coolness, and won't be over-egged in the movie proper.
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...but fucker has no clue what it was ABOUT. Therein lies the problem. It'll be a succession of cool imagery signifying nothing. Get a clue.
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The point of the Watchmen is to follow a group of costumed adventurers in the "real world". Filming should be done to give this story as grounded and everyday setting as possible. That's what would make Dr. Manhattan stand out. Bulletime and over-done computer animation will only take away from its theme.
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Yes, it was funny. But in the same way that Commando is funny.
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This may finally be the film that knocks that POS Titanic off its throne. It looks like Zack really pulled it off.
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Oct 22, 2008 7:46:39 AM CDT
If Rorschach's journal's not given over to print in the end...
by tophat
...the movie is a complete failure. I swear, if they end a WATCHMEN movie on Spectre and Night Owl kissing in the snow...
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They kept Giant Dr. Manhattan after *SPOILER HIDDEN* removed his intrinsic field! That's fantastic.
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Didn't Mori confirm in the last Watchmen thread that it is in the movie?
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"I Can Verify...
by TheRealMoriarty Oct 20th, 2008
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Mimicing the look is not doing a faithful adaptation of the book. The feel and theme of the book must be there. From what I've seen of the trailers, those elements have been replaced by shiney looking effects. That's not to say it will suck. The DVD will do just fine, for me, when I'm not in the mood to read the book again, but ultimately, I don't see this being anywhere near the masterpiece of the book.
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Oct 22, 2008 8:12:34 AM CDT
If you are complaining about something other than the rumored no
by crashbarbarian
then just shut up... this has the tone, the feel, the look, and is exactly what any true Watchmen fan should want in a Watchmen film... for freaks sake people, they said it couldn't be done and it's being done with absolute perfection!
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seeing the impossibly high standards and expectations so many of you have, its just impossible for it to please any of you. i hope i'm wrong and some can looked passed the "that isnt like the book" amd just enjoy it but yeah. course if the movie simply does just suck then alright but i can totally see an X3 result here. where the comic fans will hate it because of all the differences and whatnot and the non comic fans will like it. oh and i love this little gem "...hated by people who love and understand cinema." its that kinda thinking that places so called movie geeks in the low rungs of society that they are. is it so hard to accept that not everyone shares your opinions and tastes? so anyone who thinks differently must have bad taste or is stupid or whatever huh? wow...what a small empty world that must be. i just see that kinda talk here sooo often, its sorta sad.
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Come again?
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I think that the journal scene at the New Forntiersman will still be in it. It's a key plot point and it would be madness to leave it out and I don't think any of what we've seen testifies to madness. Besides, I read other reports that it was still in and that the leak just left it out. Can't remember where, though.Also, the squid was just a device that's been replaced, the plot point hasn't been removed. Does anyone remember that episode of South Park with the metrosexuals and it turns out at the end that they're just a bunch of crabs from the underworld and it was like "what the fuck? Where did this concept come from at this stage in the story?" or the end of Team America when Kim Jong Il becomes a cockroach and flies away in a Star Wars toy? Well that's what the squid would be like in the film. People would react to it in that "where the fuck did this come from" way. People would laugh at it, completely undermining the tones of doom that the whole film tries to establish. And all the fans would have to explain how it worked in the book. And fanboys would be standing up and shouting "why are you laughing? This is not funny... STOP laughing" and it would be very ugly for all involved.Besides, whenever anyone tries to do tentacles using CG, they always look completely fake and insubstantial.
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I can't believe my eyes. A living, breathing, watchmen film. Its everything I ever hoped to see. I don't think anyone else could have done the material MORE justice. As for assuming Snyder doesn't know what Watchmen is ABOUT..how on earth can you make that assumption from just a teaser trailer?
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Oct 22, 2008 8:27:48 AM CDT
You think it's a good idea to use the same Pumpkins song...
by derlanghaarige
...that was also on the Soundtrack for Batman & Robin?
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That's the second time I've typoed "front" in as many days.
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Ummm...yeah. The fakish tank explosion, Dr. Manhattan, the Mar's home, the nuke. It all looks like ass.
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That's just your eyes adjusting - I thought the same at first, but now I can see clearly... the film LOOKS perfect - and I wouldn't have expected that from the asshat who brought that racist piece of shit to the screen last year. Let's just hope Watchmen TALKS okay. Then I can let go, albeit reluctantly, of the interdimensional mindfuck being I'd been hoping for.
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Is this a foreign film or what?
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I want to love this film. Really. But the more I see, the 'cleaner' it is. The new ending sounds great, keeping the original jist intact, but key things are missed. Would Rorschachs mask be so clean all the time? He was a damn grimy guy. Let his mask reflect that, not advertise the version that'll be in shops! C'mon Snyder, you know better.
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Anything Synder changes im fully against and it seems that the Squid is changed and he's adding scenes that weren't even in the book.Plus the slo-mo is getting old.
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Watchmen in its graphic novel entirety has stood the test of time critically and commercially. It isn't regarded a classic DESPITE its B-Movie riff of an ending - the whole thing is the whole thing, each apsect is integral.
Moore has stated that more than being about power, the Watchmen story is about its own structure: it is meant to be recursive, fractal, infinite. That includes the absurdity of the 'alien'. It's of no consquence whether people react to the psychic squid with laughter, revulsion, chin-stroking or all three, because the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. The ridiculous and mundane, the profound and the profane, conjoined - just as they might be considered to be in all aspects of 'real life' (the entire notion of which is itself at least a half-phallacy, according to all scientific understanding of the past hundred years).
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If anyone past this point keeps asking about whether or not this is included, even after Moriarty's affirmation and subsequent reiterations, they are an idiot.
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watch them do an ending with a "Doc Machine" that turns out to be more interesting than the squid. I love how you all care so much about the lame ass squid but have almost forgotten the journal
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Nobody wants to see this shit outside of super-nerds. I'm a movie nerd and I could care less about this movie. There is nothing about it that appeals to mass audiences. Alternative super-heroes? Give me a break.
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Luckily you threw in the winks. Good job, my friend.
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Oct 22, 2008 8:59:27 AM CDT
Still wildly unimpressed with Dr. Manhattan 3D model/animation
by riskebiz
Truly, Dr. Manhattan looks like he was was modeled in Poser (which is really a very good user friendly animation tool), but his movements do not look natural and make him look too much like a 3D model. I get that he is "unreal", but there is no reason he had to look and move like an amateur model animation.
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..more psycho babble bullshit from those that have drank the kool aid in the Alan Moore cult- it's a great work, i enjoy it, but you dont have to go on about it like Carl Sagan discussing the infinitude of the cosmos- its just a story- at the end of the day it's not an essential part of your life- not like food or fuel or shelter or companionship. it's meant to entertain. ..and the ending has always left me cold- too deus ex machina for my tastes. i'm glad they are reinterpreting it for the film.
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...come on its kind of stupid comic or not. I mean Moore goes out of his way to create this gritty and dark story to throw a big giant squid into NYC at the end? I think its a flaw that fans have to go out of their way to defend the squid. Snyder can get away with the squid as long as its not purple and as long as you never see anything but the beak.
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At least the Manhattan figure is already nude. He can be introduced the various Lara Croft nude models running around cyberspace.
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We've had two, two minute trailers, and a group of you start shouting about how "oh yeah it might have the panals in tact but snyder doesn't understand the theme/tone/plot etc". How on earth can you tell whether Snyder understands the deep meaning of the GN from TWO VERY SHORT TRAILERS. Seriously, there's nothing there but the visuals, we won't be able to tell anything else till a longer trailer and the film is released.
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The whole fucking movie is in slow-motion.
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therefore, the movie will suck balls.
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the favorite character for both non-Watchmen and Watchmen novel fans, especially if they show him kicking ass in prison and killing Big Figure
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Didn't mean to come off all Jim(The Leader Is Great)Jones, Bobby, just saying I still find Watchmen pretty thought-provoking, and Moore's points about it interesting - all the more for the fact that he doesn't take any of it remotely seriously, which is more than can be said for Sagan.
Moore mentions he was actually (rightly)embarassed to be writing about superheroes, and because he was going to be doing it for a relatively large audience compared to just British readers, his insecurity prompted him to try and make it come off as 'really clever.' Fortunatey he fucked up - it was far too entertaining to ever be thought of by anyone as 'clever'. -
they could just get rid of that crappy smashing pumpkins song.
His vocals are so stupid sounding.
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Oct 22, 2008 10:12:52 AM CDT
Do people know the difference between Slow Mo and Bullet Time?
by talkbacker with no name
seems a lot don't.
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I loved Watchmen. Have loved it. Will love it. It is, undoubtedly, a classic in comic storytelling. However, I couldn't give a flyin' flippin' fuck about the goddamned squid being in the movie. Christ, people, have you nothing better to do than bitch about something that may or may not be? Wait til the movie's released, go see it (or don't), and then (if you DID see it) comment on it then.
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"Fake tank explosion"
Dude have you not ever READ Watchmen? Dr Man was a clockmaker. The whole novel has subtext that reference clockworkings (gears, et. al.). He didn't "Explode" that tank - he disassembled it down to its individual clockwork components - like a watchmaker would do.
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...to them. Their minds are set in stone and they won't backdown on it now no matter how long they stand in line to see it and enjoy the fuck out of it at the flicks.yeah they will bitch about this and that after it, but inside their pants we know their little willy has just burped.
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"Snyder nailed it?"
HAS ANYONE READ THE FUCKING BOOK?
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understand, we don't hate X3 because it "changed too many things," we hate X3 because it took three compelling stories from the books that we all wanted to see done justice on film(final clash between Magneto & Prof. X, Phoenix saga and the cure) and crammed them all into a 90 min. film that allowed none of them to connect on any level, thus guaranteeing that we will never see any of these plots done right. imagine if Jackson had tried to do the entire LOTR trilogy as a single two-hour movie and you'll start to understand what we saw when we were in the theater.
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That's right I said it I don't care if I get flamed. I read the graphic novel a few years ago, and while it was good I didn't think it lived up to all of the hype of being the greatest of all time. I sometimes get the feeling that people hear everyone tell them that something is great, and instead of coming to their own conclusions they buy into the hyperbole that's being spewed all over the place. So to everyone complaining about the stupid freaking squid ending, get over it! If I saw this movie with no knowledge of the comic and it ended with a ridiculous squid scene. I'm sorry, no matter how serious the movie took itself before that, it would just lose everything right there. The message of the novel does not depend on the squid!! Rorshachs journal entry is important though, and I'm done ranting.
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This does NOT look like Watchmen. It looks like a slick turd.
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Once again, this clip shows how closely Snyder attempted to portray the source material. The trailer, this clip, the pirate story being made. So why, if the rumours are true, would snyder change one very critical and massive part of the story?
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No-one's flaming you dude, we're all friends here... right, guys? Uh... guys...?
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You can't change the ending. And to "The Joker" the Watchmen overrated? Nothing compares to it, save DKR. I sometimes get the feeling that people with poor taste will blame a popular (and informed) opinion on some conspiracy. If you don't get it, read it again. Its the best.
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...because he made 300, and was happy to put his name to that movie.
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YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE ENDING OF WATCHMEN. Have you all lost your minds? Now we are saying the "squid" which is not a squid, is some kind of comedic visual? Millions of people dead, bleeding and an impossibly alien entity teleporting into NYC, destroying it? Are you people goddamn nuts, that shit is chilling beyond words.
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All the arguments over whether the GN was genius/overrated/ entertaining but stupid/whatever. Watchmen was all about how different worldviews and perspectives are exactly that - completely different realities, alternate dimensions, yet all indivisible, together forming a higher hyper- ahhh, fuck it.
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...and think that that mental feat is beyond the movie's creative team. Personally, I think the teaser and trailer footage that we have seen is better than I had anticipated. Yes, I think the actual movie will have dialog. Yes, it will make violence look cool at times, just like the comic did. Yes, it will teach the lesson that sometimes violence solves problems, just like the comic did.
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Whatever fuckstick. It still looked fake whether it exploded or "disassembled." Fuck off and die.
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And you can't change the ending to Watchmen. Maybe I will shut up if SOMEONE SHARED MY GODDAMN OPINION IN THIS MATTER!
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I am the biggest asshole in the world so I'm here to tell you once and for all -- it's not "shotty" it's Shoddy. Okay? Good. Also, this looks awesome and I can't wait to see it.
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Ever consider working at childrens' parties?;)
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really enjoyed Dawn of the Dead, had fun with and appreciated the style of 300 without taking it too seriously (like other dipshits around here) and WATCHMEN, in my opinion, will be his middle-ground film...something in between that will be highly enjoyable and not taken TOO damn seriously (well...not for me anyway). looking forward to March. as for "bullet time" er whatever...i dig it when its used properly and in relative moderation given whats seen in the film...but using it to carry a film and illicit "ooohhhs" and "aaahhhhs" is when its overstaying its welcome...i mean, i WANT to be entertained and all but not in a eye-rolling kinda way...unles its one of those so-cheesey its good kinda movies...which are rare.
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Actually, I think you'll that everyone should agree with MY opinions about everything...
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As a huge fan of the graphic novel, i definitely think he nailed the translaton to screen. this is definitly a "snyder" film- which i dont mind, I like the look of his films.
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He's pretty much one of my favorite characters in the history of everything in the world. Even cooler than the Saint Of Killers from Preacher. It looks like they completely nail him though. Squid or no squid...this looks like it's going to be amazing.
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Has he given his blessing yet? It's a known fact that he's pretty much hated everything made from his books, so I'd be interested to find out what he's thinking. If he hates it, are they going to release that information before OR AFTER the premiere.
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Oct 22, 2008 10:50:42 AM CDT
HoboCode, of course it looks fake, it's a movie with a budget.
by stereotypical evil archer
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Sounds like they did. time to move on with your life.
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...defending a movie they haven't seen on the basis of a trailer while not even having an iota of understanding of what Alan Moore was trying to say/accomplish with Watchmen make me laugh. I'll be laughing even harder when Watchmen is released and they all start screaming "Snyder raped my adulthood!" It's gonna be fun to watch...
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"Actually, I think you'll that everyone should agree with MY opinions about everything..."
I think that you'll everyone shut the fuck up dope-stain.
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"Actually, I think you'll that everyone should agree with MY opinions about everything..."
I think that you'll everyone shut the fuck up dope-stain.
You can't change the ending to Watchmen. -
Let's consider the possibility thatA) Many of the shots were slowed down just for the trailerorB) The balance of slow-mo and explosions to dialogue may be a bit different in the movie, since this is, you know... a trailer.I don't know if you've noticed this about movie trailers, This may be the first one you've seen, but they tend to contain a lot of the "money" shots, and not a lot of the deeper character moments.
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have you not thought for one second in your tiny little brain that the squid has just been replaced with something else and that the plot point remains the same?
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The only thing you should hear in a trailer is
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bang your head against a brickwall. This is the acin forum :)
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I did not think he was about to crack.
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Oct 22, 2008 11:01:56 AM CDT
Moore will NEVER give his blessing, even if the film is amazing
by spyguy
Captain Caveman is all about keeping comic book stories solely in the comic book medium, regardless of how good or bad they are.
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Of how many times these nerds slam a movie they haven't seen based on a trailer, and then it turns out to be a great flick. I'm not saying this one will be awesome -- looks hit and miss -- but I will reserve judgement.
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-- with the stupid knocks on CG. Amazing how people comment on the 'bad looking' CG without having seen the friggin' movie! I still hear people bitch about the 'awful' CG in 'Minority Report.' Cretins. Somebody kill the mic on that isht.
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Oct 22, 2008 11:11:12 AM CDT
A trailer is to get you into the movie in the first days
by real men cry sir. real men cry.
before word of mouth helps or kills it.
Remember the first Hulk movie? The mainstream media was amazed by the fact that it was slammed almost as soon the first showings ended. Hrrrm. Text messaging is a mighty powerful medium now. -
IDIOT!
So they are just gonna cut out all the shit with artists conceptualize the creature, the teleportation, the coming together of nations over a common threat. Sorry Dr. Manhattan does not fill the bill. My tiny brain evidently dwarfs your far more dimmunitive cranium if I can see how much this fucks with brilliance and you CAN NOT. FOAD.
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YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE ENDING.
Sorry if everyone on this board is full of shit, but dems da breaks!
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I admit to not ever reading the GN, but I've flipped through it numerous times, have read the Wiki article, have kept up with every AICN article relating to, and have always respected the reputation of it. I can't wait for this movie, but it does seem to have the entirely wrong tone. Looks too stylized and shiny (like others have said). But I'm just glad the movie's being made.
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Maybe, if we're all lucky Snyder will release "Watchmen: The Squid Cut." That way everyone who loves squid can rejoice, because this is the version for you. You"ll be amazed when the Comedian is pushed to his death by a giant squid. Watch with excitement as Rorsach as he's tossed into a prison filled with... Squid! You"ll be moved with passion as Silk Spectre and Nite Squid make love aboard the Calamari Cruiser. You"ll be haunted by Snyder's haunting squiddy take on Alan Moore's Graphic Novel. The most hardcore Watchmen fanboys are raving' "It's nothing at all like the novel, but at least it has squid!"
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He'll lash his raft with tentacles. He'll ride a squid into town. Hell, the original NightOwl will be killed by a roving pack of squid.
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Those 15000 views so far? Half of them are from me. At the kiss with bomb dream moment, I started openly weeping--it's among my favorite moments in any comic book ever. I am SO cautiously optimistic about this movie!
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It should be noted that Ozymandias is killed in both the Hayter and Tse drafts of the script (and the Sam Hamm version, too, now that I think about it). Chew on that, fandom.
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Space squid, none the less, last Sunday night.
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I think that you'll everyone shut the fuck up dope-stain. I think that you'll everyone shut the fuck up dope-stain. I think that you'll everyone shut the fuck up dope-stain. IIIIIIIIII. Thinkthinkthinkthinkthink der der der.
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Poor Ozymandius, apparently even he would have been surprised to see politicians calculating political advantage and triangulating while the WTC rubble was still smoldering. Oh well, Moore has gotten politics spectacularly wrong before too. Remember when Thatcher was going to turn Britain into an Orwellian police state? Moore does write great characters though, and the Watchmen is an awesome comic, so I'm really pulling for this movie.
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I can't figure out how anyone can say this is going to suck, the slo mo ruins it, or the "soundtrack" is terrible based off of a trailer. Pull the dick out of your ear and relax, you know you'll pay the $10.50 just like the rest of us and you'll probably enjoy the movie. But then most of you will go to a forum or talkback and talk shit about it cause that's what the cool kids are doing these days.
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Will they use a bunch of alternative "sad" bands to sell a bunch of iTunes downloads, or will they stick true to the time (of the novel) and use music that would be spectacularly 80s:
Judas Priest! Warrant! Skid Row! AC/DC! The Crue!
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There are cool kids these days?
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The jokes on you, douchebag. I was mimicking someone else, and sorry if I posted twice. I only hit post once. SO FUCK OFF
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You're either completely retarded or utter trolls. As has been mentioned aboved, and was hammered home at the end of the last trailer, the slo-mo in the trailer is probably there purely for promo reasons and the music sync. It doesn't mean the entire movie will be slo-mo. Why not enjoy the fucking care and precision that has gone into producing it. When was the last time that someone went to such effort???
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It's a book people. They can't all be Lord of the Rings or Fried Green Tomatoes. You keep some stuff, you lose some stuff. You modify stuff to fit the narrative and the medium. In the end, will it tell the story in a cohesive fashion, with a beginning, a middle and an end. Personally, I'm waiting for Watchmen 2, The Squid Strikes Back. Or is that The Phantom Squid? Maybe it's Highway to the Danger Squid.
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...not. The GN the squid is linked to the black freighter portions of the book by the author. Without that connection of the missing author and the conclave of scientists, writers, etc. who ultimately design and make the creature, keeping the squid at the end comes off as random and ridiculous. Imagine at the end of a two and a half hour movie Oz comes out with, "so, i made this psychic squid to kill millions of people and force the governments of the world to come together...smart aint i?" Come on folks! The general audience would toss their popcorn. It would be an abrupt, untellegraphed reveal with no connection to any facet of the story thus far. Without the black freighter, framing Dr. Manhattan makes more sense, and accomplishes the exact same thing. Dr. Manhattan is a walking god who could very well split the atom at a whim, whose allegiance to america is only predicated on allegiances of his former human self. He's allied with america only because it's where all his stuff is, including his woman. The government has as much control over Manhattan as he wishes them to. That's scary.
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It's just a talkback, not an election debate. Let's keep the nasties to a minimum
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"Remember when Thatcher was going to turn Britain into an Orwellian police state?"
yeah i do.... it's been an Orwellian police state for quite a while. Maybe it didn't start under Thatcher, but it was going strong under Tony Blair.
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http://www.superherohype.com/news/watchmennews.php?id=7756
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...blame Dr. Manhattan... it's Dr. Manhattan power-mimicking machines used as alternative power sources (to get in that oh-so-trendy environmental theme that will also fuck up the never-shoulda-been remade remake of The Day the Earth Stood Still). And for the last time... it's not a "squid",it's a psychic, genetically-engineered monstrosity... calling it a "squid" is like McSame and apPAL'INg constantly bringing up Joe the (fake) Plumber... you asshats!
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Oct 22, 2008 12:15:02 PM CDT
Chadley BeBay, Dave Gibbons says it's amazing
by talkbacker with no name
even going as far as to say the changes are better for the movie version. He loves it and that's good enough for me.
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take film wayyyyy too seriously.
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The idea of being watched by government cameras 24/7 while in public makes my skin crawl, but it's nowhere near as bad as what Moore was warning against. You're right though: Maggie broke some unions' backs so we're supposed to think she's the devil, while Labour has criminalized more activity since coming to power than any democratic government in recent memory.
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I don't want to have to try and work out some uninterpretable, stuttering mess!
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Reports are Dr. Manhattan absolutely is blamed for the deaths. Yes, machines are used to MIMIC Dr. Manhattans power and causes the detonations. Now...how else is OZ supposed to do this? He doesn't actually have Manhattans powers y'know. Oh, and..SQUID SQUID SQUID SQUID. A rose by any other name...
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I'm not saying it's WRONG, but I the super-stylized look of this is not how I would do it, nor how I would expect someone who "gets" the comic to do it. I think a straightforward, Kubrick-esque look would be more of an appropriate translation. The images in these trailers are glamorous and romanticized, something the comic never is. I feel like they tried to make a movie version of the color palette in the original, which maybe they accomplished, but the cinematic style is too heightened as a result and I think misses the mark.
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Can't wait even more, now!
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If the reports (and the brief snippet from the new trailer) correctly indicate that Ozy somehow blows up NYC and frames Manhattan, how can we still have the same ending at the New Frontiersman? The offices would have been destroyed along with the rest of the city. Moreover, even if they restarted the NF in new offices after NYC is rebuilt, how could Rorshach's journal have survived the destruction to be deliverable and legible?
That's part of why the squid was a good idea; its delivery killed millions, but caused almost no major property damage (beyond destroying the building it was teleported into). The journal could still be sitting there in the mailbox, waiting to be delivered after the government got NYC going again. If the city is leveled, though? Not so much. -
Maybe they're just testing a version with that other guy playing Hollis Mason? I for one will walk out in disgust if Adam West isn't in this film.
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You are very excitable. I hope you get your squid ending and things work out for you. Try not to murder all of the lovely people in this talkback. Me? I couldn't give a shit about Watchmen if you paid me (damn right it's overrated), but it'll be interesting to see the reactions once this film hits.
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To make it more realistic they are making it mechanical, just like that cool spider from wild wild west!
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Oct 22, 2008 12:39:31 PM CDT
Again, is any of this movie going to play at regular speed?
by subtlety
thats the one major fear I still have. Hopefully the speed of these clips has been rejiggered for trailer purposes.
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It wouldn't take much to turn this into a full-blown rendition of the Venture Brothers. I swear I might have even seen the Monarch flying around somewhere.
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Zack Snyder's next movie to be shot ENTIRELY in slow motion!
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Oct 22, 2008 12:49:12 PM CDT
Please Get Rid Of The Smashng Pumpkins Music From Batman!!!
by media messiah
Nine Inch Nails would certainly play much better over this footage!!! Every time I hear that Smashing Pumpkins song, I am reminded of that horrible Batman movie it was in, denying me the ability to exclusively think about, and focus on, The Watchmen!!!
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you may have found the book to be overated, but no one in the comic or movie industry did, as many are still borrowing plot devices found in those pages...the incredibles, lost, heroes are just 3 examples of projects that would have been nowhere were it not for watchmen...so stfu...you are an idiot
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As for the Squid, as long as the film still keeps the ending ending (the journal being delivered to the New Frontiersman) I'll be fine.
Though hopefully with Snyder's "director's cut" with Black Freighter re-cut into the film, the Squid subplot will return. It would be kinda cool to see it realized.
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Oct 22, 2008 12:54:42 PM CDT
Well, remembering the Smashing Pumpkins tune from B&R..
by anakinsdiapers
..is more of an indictment of the person who paid to see or even sat thru that tripe than whoever thought it was a good fit for the watchmen trailer.
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Boiled squid. Chicken Fried Squid. Squid sandwich. Squid Wrap.
Squid Salad. Squid on rye. Biscuits and squid.
Creme Squid. Squid on crackers.
cream of squid.
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That makes no sense, considering whoever thought it was a good fit for the Watchmen trailer would have had to seen the movie or at least heard the soundtrack as well
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for Baywatch. Gunga Diner for me!
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"Oct 22nd, 2008 07:25:20 AM why would Snyder want to make a movie with New York destroyed at the end by a large creature when the same thing was just recently done in Cloverfield?"
************ SPOILERS *************
The squid doesn't just come and destroy the city, it's warped in, dying in the process and releases a psychic shockwave that kills most of the city. It's great, and the point of it is that it unites the world into defending earth against extra-terrestrial threats when they were on the brink of nuclear holocaust. Without this I would have thought the story will lose alot, it's not really about superheroes beating people up.
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...but the dimension-traveling alien monster really detracted from the brilliance of the rest of "The Watchmen," in my opinion. The story felt very gritty and almost real until that bizarre twist. Anyway, the "Squid" isn't nearly as important as the conveyance of Ozymandias' intention, i.e. to unite the world under the threat of a common enemy. I don't really care how that happens, but I suspect there's a less silly way to make that happen than to have a massive psychic monster appear out of nowhere.
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Hells' Bells by AC/DC
Goes with the whole "watch" theme, especially the bells ringing in the beginning.
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OK; I thought from the last trailer that the actors looked too young to be portraying the circa-1986 incarnations of the Minutemen; obviously that hasn't changed.
Biggest problem with the new footage - What the hell is Rorschach doing running up that scaffolding? He's a psychopathically-driven vigilante - not a way-above-olympic-standard gymnast.
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Many of us said that we wouldn't settle for anything less than what the graphic novel represents. I have no problem with the omission of Tales of the Black Freighter. Even I understood that there was no way you could incorporate that whole thing into a mainstream movie and keep the movie under 3 hours. But there are three main things that are completely freaking me out about this movie. 1) The slo-mo has got to go. When Snyder was selling this movie he kept saying that he wanted more of a "Taxi Driver" feel for the movie. I don't know what version of Taxi Driver he saw because that slowed down shit is fucking absurd already. It was absurd in 300 when Leonidas was banging his wife in slow motion. 2) I know this will sound like a classic nit-pick, but consider this: In all of the production pictures I've seen of the New York street set, I have not seen one electric car or a "spark station" (of which there should be one on the corner with the newstand). And this leads to the horrible possibility of 3) No squid. I know there is more than one ending filmed, and though no one has been certain about the squid or not, some people have hinted that the squid is in one of the endings. The whole "squidless" ending hinges on the idea of renewable energy. This is ridiculous given that in the GN, this is something everyone takes for granted! The birth of Dr. Manhattan allowed for things like renewable energy to become a thing of the past. Without the presence of electric cars or the stations, I'm thinking that Snyder always had the squidless ending in mind, and that's all types of wrong because it's not sticking to the source material at all and turns Dr. Manhattan into something less than what he was in the GN. The thing is that I'm not going to like it if it's not the graphic novel (I can settle for a version that omits the black freighter as well as all the meta-fiction), and there's no excuse for changing anything else that already works. This is the classic Hollywood Mistake: It's not so much what they leave out of an adaptation, it's what they leave in that they always fuck up because they just can't stop fucking with things. If you're gonna change the ending, as well as having Dan present during that scene I don't want to ruin screaming "NOOOOOOOOO" then stop trying to sell this movie to me like you followed the book like it was your bible. Stop lying. I am of the belief that they should have never made this film in the first place. Snyder has a loooooong way to go in order to make me happy. And as for the rest of you who can't stand people nit picking this movie to death: It's the goddamn "Watchmen" you fucking idiots! Weren't you expect this kind of scrutiny already? Deal with it.
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How about growing the fuck up and realizing that someone having the opinion that "Watchmen" isn't necessarily pure genius doesn't make them an idiot. Prissy little fanboy fuck.
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...would you be saying that about ANY other movie that's (hypothetically) 30% slo-mo? Yes, that is literally what slow motion does, but it's also a stylistic choice and has an effect on the overall atmosphere of the thing.
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Where did all these new Talkbacker n00bs come from?! Wasn't there a ban on new registrations put into effect?That being said, I don't really care much for all the WATCHMEN hype (CHUD is literally drooling over ever piece of info). But I hope the movie pleases the longtime fans.
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Oct 22, 2008 1:15:42 PM CDT
On Smashing Pumpkins and Terrorist Trans-demensional Squids....
by goodtimebobby
The SP song is appropriate because Batman and Robin was "the beginning of the end of the beginning" and Watchmen is "the end of the beginning of the end".. see that watchmen-symmetry at play? Also, they should keep the squid, but after it drops, nothing changes..they waste billions on anti-squid security and fight a costly endless war against giant squids, and all thie rfreedoms are taken away in the name of anti-squid protection- after 8 years of anti-squid hysteria, Black Lightening travels through the Bleed and gets elected president and makes everything better again!
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...the one problem I have with Dr. Manhattan being the scapegoat for the attacks in New York City is that he's supposed to represent America. You can't unite a country by turning it against itself... but anyway, I guess it does probably work better on film than a giant telepathic squid.
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"The squid stays in the picture" = ROTFL
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Sort yourself out; Watchmen is a deconstruction of superhero comics. The song used on the shit Batman and Robin film is "The End is the Beginning is the End". The song used on the Watchmen trailer is a deconstruction of the Batman and Robin song, and is called "The Beginning is the End is the Beginning", and was included on the CD single of the original. Using this song on the Watchmen trailer is a fucking clever move by the filmmakers, and a sly jab at shit superhero films of the mid to late 90's.
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Damn your fast fingers!
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That song sucks no matter what the hell it's supposed to stand for.
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... i'm just glad im not alone in this theory....but montag's right, the song- thought it was cool when it came out on the trailer cause i had forgotten about it- but putting on the second clip too- i think im over it already- they shoulve went with something from the actual film score.
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Agreed. Still a good song, still a clever move, but it has been done. And considering it is more than likely not going to be on the soundtrack, should have stayed a one-shot gimmick.
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Don't like the song? That's your choice. Doesn't change the fact that it's an incredibly clever and sly move.
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I like the idea of the fruitless war on squids.
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It IS pretty clever, but again, just like Ozymandias's "intentionally" awful costume... what is the point of lambasting Batman & Robin? I think pretty much everybody agrees that movie sucks, and if Watchmen really is supposed to be a 'commentary on superhero movies' like Zack Snyder's proclaimed it is in the past, then he'd be better off commenting on one that's not over 10 years old.
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I don't know, but I don't find him quite... right in the trailers. Maybe it's the nature of comics, but he seems to be shown in the GN as slow. Not slow-slow, but "Steadily advancing on you and there's no way out" slow. His "chase" of the Big Figure in #8 is a good indication. If Rorschach were running after him, the scene wouldn't be as effective. In this trailer, he seems to literally "leap" up onto the Comedian's window. And later, he's doing a run-up-the-wall bit, isn't he? he should have more of a "I'm coming to get you and you can run but you can't hide" vibe to him, and the two trailers aren't really capturing that. Maybe the movie can't. We'll see.
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Kind of ironic that the end theme tune to the worst superhero movie ever made is on the traile to what many think will be the greatest superhero movie ever made! I appreciate that kind of juxtaposition, and reclaiming shit pop-culture to turn it into awesome pop-culture is kind of in keeping with what Alan Moore was doing with WATCHMEN anyway.
But leaving out the squid... if several of the cities of the world explode in a nuclear fireball, wouldn't that INITIATE a nuclear holocaust - not war, but actual HOLOCAUST? Mutually assured destruction. That ending WILL fuck this movie up, by ruining so many carefully interconnected plot points such as some of those already made: Why kill the Comedian if the ending is the squidless one? Doesn't this mean Rorscach's journal will be lost - burned to a crisp, therefore losing that fantastically dark ending? How the hell does a fake nuclear attack supposedly stop a nuclear war, instead of STARTING one? Whose dumb fucking idea was that shit ending anyway?
Alan Moore adaptations 101, RULE FUCKING ONE: DO NOT CHANGE A GODDAMNED THING. FILM IT WORD FOR WORD, SCENE FOR SCENE, OR DO NOT DO IT AT ALL.
Seems that Zack has fallen for that old "I'm smarter than that Alan Moore dude" trick, following every other shit adaptation ever made. The rest of WATCHMEN will probably look great, will be faithful as hell to the novel, and be as great as we hope. But then to ruin it by changing the end... What's the fucking point? Why bother?
I'm of the opinion that if you can't get it 100% right, don't bother. A 90% WATCHMEN isn't better than nothing - it's a half-assed attempt at greatness. FROM HELL, LEAGUE OF EXTRAORDINARY GENTLEMEN, V FOR VENDETTA - all nearly-but-not-quite adaptations. And you know what? I'd rather not have had them than see the original works sullied by their existence.
This lack of striving for 100% excellence is what gives us dross like Platinum Dunes and the like. I NEVER thought I'd see Zack Snyder - one of the best new genre film-makers this century - fuck up like this...
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Well, it's latex in the GN, so presumably it would be easy to wipe out. In the movie it looks more cloth-like, though.
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You have a valid point. Though I wish they had gone with one of the songs quoted in the GN, I would absolutely throw up if I heard another version of "All Along the Watchtower" attached to anything with moving images.
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You are correct sir! As soon as nuclear detonations are detected the missiles go flying and all hell will indeed break loose! That's why the whole nuclear bomb idea is fucking stupid! It would at least bring the risk of a forced retaliation and why would anyone that put this much time and effort into "uniting" the world risk such a volatile situation. Fine, let's say the squid is just too ridiculous for anyone to accept, then think of something other than framing Doc Manhattan and that whole renewable energy bullshit which only gives me the impression that Snyder skimmed over the book and didn't take in the parts that explain what a remarkable thing the existence of Manhattan is! How much of modern living changed because of his mere existence! Shit, I'm pretty sure his birth is the entire reason as to why it's an alternate world in the first place!
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Like I said - you can breathe a sigh of relief - I think the song in the trailer was just a gimmick for the trailer; there's no way it could be on - or fit on - the soundtrack. Worst case scenario; it'll be on the end credits. Doubt it though.
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Oct 22, 2008 1:49:35 PM CDT
Zack, we know you or your flunkies are reading this...
by real men cry sir. real men cry.
so take it with a grain of squid. Fanboy wants you to make the movie they want and unfortunately, we all know it would not be commercially successful. Sure, you can tweak it in the DVD release, but for the theaters, it needs to be as commercially wide as possible. Sad, but true. I think we sometimes forget that movies are made FOR PROFIT. Yes, I know that movies are made for love, but you usually see those on IFC and in the arthouses.
Moore will hate, but Gibbons likes it. You've all ready won over 50 percent of the creative side. Obviously the publisher loves it, otherwise they wouldn't do it. So, toot on, son. Toot on.
BTW, where's Col Tigh fighter?
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I really hope they're fooling us with a fake ending. I don't see the need for a change. It's an alternate reality - ships with anti-gravity motors are fine for the movie but a genetically made creature is to much of a stretch? Come-on now! It's gotta be a fake ending.
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One of the main ideas behind the story is to take a typical comic book plot with typical comic book characters and imagine, "What if that were to happen in the real world?" Moore and Gibbons couldn't just say "Veidt wouldn't do something as ridiculous as this" because the conceptual rules with which they constrained themselves *required* that the villain plot something heinous and ridiculous--something out of a comic. That's one of the reasons that Moore and Gibbons succeeded so amazingly with Watchmen: while working within that set of self-imposed rules they managed to make a story that seemed real nonetheless. The problem for the movie is that it only has 2-3 hours to do its job and it lacks the supplemental materials that helped the comic achieve its verisimilitude. Also, the movie's audience, like it or not, is much less likely to accept the squid. The squid would immediately make many, many of the viewers realize that oh yeah, they're just watching a comic book movie after all... just when they should be at maximum immersion.
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The Beginning is the End is the Beginning has been used for two teasers so far - and I get the feeling it'll be used in the TV ads - so just put it in the movie already, who cares if its not specific to the time period, it's a great tune that fits with the story / images perfectly. Don't be a bitch and bow to period details, put it in. TBIEIB is *my* Squid crusade.
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Hey, I like being skullfucked by the "alien" squid at the end, that's sweet and crazy.
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there hasn't been one scene not in ultra slow-motion in any of the trailers
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Should I read the Graphic Novel first. It seems a lot of people are passionate about the Novel, yet divided about the movie(even though we've only seen trailers). I know nothing about it, except that it's about superheroes that exist in the real world. Well, whatever. To me, this looks way better than that shitty Spirit trailer.
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Yes, I'd read it first. It's one of my favorites, and I'm sure I'm not alone on that.
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...I get that the slow-motion effect may seem too stylized for some, but let me explain why I like it. Objects in motion are aesthetically interesting when slowed or frozen; you're able to see many of the small movements that make big the action. To me, even the small actions tell a part of the story, whether it be a curling toe, a napkin falling off of a lap as a person stands or the twitch of a muscle as a cat prepares to pounce. To me it's irrelevant if a director uses slow-mo to make his stuff look cooler or more stylish, if the snapshot being offered is interesting I'll appreciate it for what it is. That's basically the only way I derived any enjoyment out of "300," FYI.
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...but I really don't think it will have the "WHAT THE FUCK" feeling if you replace the squid with generic "nuclear bomb/laser beam/energy" destruction. As much as Watchmen draws you into their world, the squid is SUPPOSED to make you go "what the hell, i wasnt expecting that!" whereas if Ozy had just blown up a city it would have been just a regular "oh wow", not the complete mindfuck of "he did what???!!???!"
And using the "audiences wouldnt accept the squid" argument is complete fucking horseshit. Hellboy, Cloverfield, War of the Worlds have all pulled off giant monsters with varying degrees of success. Sure you can change the look of it a bit from the comic - make it darker, more sharp/threatening looking... but what's the point in acknowledging the greatness of the book by recreating specific fucking shots from it, then drastically altering the ending? If you think it's so perfect that it matters if you get every little detail right, then keep the fucking ending Zack. Please. -
make my squid.
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Agent Starling, Squid pro quo
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...I'm willing to bet this use of slow-motion is NOT solely for the trailer. I'll be impressed if I'm wrong.
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The squid that brought the whole room together? Or better yet:
Sometimes you get the squid. Sometimes the squid gets you.
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I couldn't have said it better. Squid has to be in film it's also Ozy motivation and reason to chuck the Comedian out of the window at the start of film - The Comdedian sees the artist plans at the islannd!
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haven't seen many of the electric bubble cars which are driven in the alternate 1985 NY. oh and did I mention squid..............
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YOU are an idiot! Maybe if you could stop jerking off to pictures of Alan Moore long enough to read my whole post, you'd realize I didn't say that Watchmen wasn't good. I just think it's over rated. And to assume every peice of modern day pop culture borrows ideas from "Watchmen" is completely ignorant and makes you look like an ass. "Watchmen" is obviously the love of your life and I just told you that I don't think she's all that great looking and you got all pissy about it. I guess I should be grateful though, that Alan decided to give other writers ideas to steal for generations to come, so I"ll have bad television shows to watch on a weekly basis.
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...and most of them defending the removal of the squid. Curious.
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...Hrrrmmmm... get some Round-Up... Lots of plants...
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but I must disagree... To me the squid was the ultimate primer to end the aggression and to get the countries to start working together - if something so bizarre and unexplainable happened in real life how fast do you think the US, China and Russia are going to best friends? Very fast, because having something like that materialize in a major city trumps every single petty and stupid argument governments have. As someone on another board said you can also say the theme of it all is "grow the fuck up". One world, one people = progress. Anyway, it can be done, if it's written correctly.
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straight outta the book. Fantastic. Can't wait for this. And the squid can kiss my ass. There's a balance between slavish copying of the comic book and accurate adaptation. Moore's comment was a comment on what had become of the superhero genre of comics in the 80s. This movie has the potential to be a comment on the superhero genre of films of the 00s. And that's a post-9/11 period people. Not a coincidence that this movie follows on the heels of the movie Dark Knight, just like the comic and Miller's Dark Knight Returns were so closely aligned in release date and the public imagination.
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Moore already did say he hates the idea of the movie, will never see it, and is likely magickally cursing it from afar (thus, the lawsuits), and this was in a recent New York Times article. At this point, Alan Moore literally whipping it out and pissing on the rough cut will only generate more publicity.
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Also, Rorschach's Journal is found and becomes the key to the beginning of the Giant Trans-dimensional Squid Truth Movement.- people claim that there wasn't even a giant squid and it was all a hoax.
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but it does make me want to read the TP. and it did look very similar to the first trailer. there isn't much new footage. was that billy corigan in the background? that worked really well. I think snyder's a one-trick pony, and he's abusing that trick. the trick, btw, is oversaturated cgi with freeze-frame and slow-mo shots (often rotating the camera while the action is frozen or slowed). it gets old fast. it's useful. but look: I've seen THE MATRIX. what he's doing isn't new (even by major studio standards), and I've seen 300, so this feels like a parody (choreographically? is it still choreography if it's all cgi and camera angles?). anyway, it does look more interesting and epic than 300. it also looks darker, which is a tough thing to do with some of those cornball costumes (even cornball by 300 standards).
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read the book. All of it. Pirate story and chapter endpapers. See the beauty of words and pictures. You can do anything with words and pictures. Better than someone's vision in a movie. Read it, love it and then see the movie. Don't do it backwards. The movie should be a "dessert" to the main course, maybe even a nightcap to the tall drink of water that is the book.
THEN AND ONLY THEN, SHOULD YOU SCREAM FOR THE SQUID.
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I'm with ya; I think the comic is a bit overrated too. It's pretty great, just not THAT great.
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It's kind of important that we see the Comedian's badge with a splash of blood on it as it follows him out of the window, to land on the sidewalk below. Can any of the slo-mo haters explain to me how you'd achieve letting the audience see the detail of the blood on the badge as it falls out of the window following the comedian WITHOUT using slo-mo?
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And a movie without a great ending is not even worth it.
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is that i do have a sense of humor and all, it's just that i'm not a closeted flamingly gay racist. That movie is like a wet dream J Edgar Hoover would have after binging on Tom of Finland's art books.
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You literal minded douchebag, have some goddamn imagination. And you totally miss the point. Ozymandias isn't exactly the villain - that's what Watchmen is supposed to leave you with. The horrible notion that the villain may have been right.
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I'm sorry but the visuals from the book would not sell the movie to general audience. If they stayed true to everything, the studio would get SERENITY audience and nothing more. I wish we lived in a different world but people staying true to source material does not pay, its been proven.
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The way the Comedian says "god help us all" - I don't believe for one second that is the baby killing Edward Blake. Everything else looks like overused shit from the 90s oeuvere of Nine Inch Nails videos.
Just because an adaptation can exactly replicate the look of a panel means nothing. Those literalist visual adaptations are pointless if they don't capture the texture and attitude and thoughts and themes in the book. This looks ludicrous, like a Vegas musical version of Watchmen. All glamour and glitz.
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No one has ever come close to making a decent adaptation of a Moore book, but this does look good, and from the beginning the whole approach has been different. It can never be the book, but I'd love to see this be the best film possible.
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just ask your mother...and hey dumbfuck, watchmen and dkr changed the entire comic book industry...which had been written off as being dead right before they came out....and you dont have to take my word on the impact watchmen has had on pop culture...ask zack or any of the other hollywood creators who have read the book and have used concepts from it in their own works
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I seriously doubt that the film will have the amount of slow motion everyone seems to be fearing. The fact that most of the shots fit (almost) perfectly with the beats in the music, and not just when it cuts to a new scene, suggests that scenes have been slowed down to match the music and so heighten the impact. 2 examples are when Silk Specter is walking in slow-mo down the stairs, she is in time with the music and when she turns her head from the explosion (1:07) it is again slowed down in time with the beat of the song.
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Your 'squid stays in the picture' subject line had me laughing for several minutes. Thanks! Loved the GN. looking forward to the movie. And I can tell the difference between a film and a trailer. A film is something you see (or don't see) and form and opinion of aftewards. A trailer is a device used to try and make me want to go see the movie. SOME trailers give away too much of a movie's plot. I hate those. Other trailers are just a bunch of flash cuts that make it difficult to see what is going on in the scene. I'm not a fan of those either, but I don't hate 'em. This trailer works for me. Because it doesn't give away the entire movie, I can see what is going on in the various scenes (thank you bullet-time) and it makes me want to go see the movie. And THEN I will have an opinion on the movie. For all of you giving your opinions on the movie based upon the trailer, it's time you realize your mistake.
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unless a shot is sourced at a higher overcranked framerate, slow motion effects must be done in post production... and for the level of quality of slow motion on display here (no jerkiness) that requires the creation of CG interpolated frames which is very expensive. Ergo, the film was shot extensively at a higher framerate (which is easy to revert to regular speed by pulling frames thus the speed ramps you see) or they spent a shit ton of money on CG for a Spike Promo.
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I agree with s0nicdeathmonkey. But I have hope it will rise above this trailer, which is awesome looking and has nice momentum, but comes up a bit in love with its own images... Kinda like 300.
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Just putting it on screen is a pretty extreme move considering the amount of blood and carnage in those 8/9 panels alone. Imagine them tranlated onto film; it'd be fucking mind-blowing. However I'm not totally against the omission for the film; he has less than 3 hours to tell the story and there's too much supplemental stuff in order for it to really work on screen. By blaming Dr M, it makes the story a bit tighter and more protagonist related, which in turn may work better for the film. Personally speaking I always saw the decision of the characters at the end to be the most important thing; that the 'villain' completes his masterplan and the 'heroes' agree to go along with it (and the one who displays some fortitude in his beliefs gets splattered), knowing he may be right; that stuff is the essential material that shouldn't be changed. I'd be less pissed about the squid being cut than I would of Nightowl having a heroic showdown with Ozymandias and kicking his ass. It's the murky moral decisions by the characters at the end that always resonated for me and I hope Zack keeps that stuff intact.
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I disagree - you can make a great looking movie without getting slick, and audiences will go for it. I mean, the example I used was Kubrick whose movies are beautiful. There's a difference between slick and stylized.
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But this movie still looks super gay.
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"just ask your mom." Wow, maybe you should start stealing ideas from Alan Moore because that response was weak, and I might be offended, however my mom is a bit of a slut. I'm just wondering how you seduced her? Did you explain to her how Alan Moore's Watchmen is the most influental graphic novel of all time and has influenced everything from "Lost" and "Heroes" as well as "Family Matters" and "The Drew Carey Show." That must've been it, If there's one thing I know about my mom, it's her unabashed love for narrow minded fanboys. To everyone else on this talkback I apologize for continuing this flame war, but I've been spewing hate filled venom everywhere I go today so I see no reason to stop now.
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Whenever you open your mouth, the joke's on you. You still suffer from an annoying diarrhea of the post button. Perhaps sucking on some drano-pops will settle your stomach for you, you posterboy for the Pro-choice crowd.
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He blames it on Dr. M.
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Oct 22, 2008 7:08:52 PM CDT
Maybe it's because I've already seen the first trailer...
by mr. nice gaius
...that I'm not impressed with this one. It just seems very, very slick.
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He's the metaphorical squid that unites talkbackers against him.
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... new catchphrases. Just you wait.
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I'm sitting in the theatre, stoned out of my mind with an icee and some popcorn. Goin in fresh baby...goin in fresh.
You guys do realize it's the only way to go right? 9 times outta 10 trailers take the fun out of seeing movies for the first time. Most recent example i can think of: Quarantine...last shot in the trailer... -
Watchmen could be great or could be a disaster. We don't have anything beyond enticement yet. We need to see full scenes before we judge.
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Looks Good. Looks good. LOOKS GOOD. looks good. LOoKs GoOD. lOoKS GGooooDDD. I am bored and repeating words over and over. We all float down here. @#%^$ &@@!. 300 sucked poorly and I hope that these characters have more to them than battle cries and overextended trailer scenes that comprise the entire film of 2 and a half hours so that no legitimate acting ever happens and therefore causing me to give a craaaaaap about this movie. In other words 300 is only one giant trailer of slo-mo and not a movie. Thus sucking more eggs than Foster Farms would dream of producing. Did I say 300 sucked? 300 sucks. 300 suCKS. 300 sucketh. 300 suckssssss. Yaaaaaaaaaaaaa. "This is madness!" "This is self important!" "Oh no!, 2,000,000 Persian soldiers less threatening than the stormtroopers defeated by ewoks combined with the care bears arch villian. did I say I was bored?
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More than enough time to trash it to the dozens of people I turned onto it before the no squid ending was revealed.
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If there's no Alien at the end, I'm going to tell every single person I know as well as strangers on the street to boycott the fuck out of this movie. SNYDER, I'VE HEARD YOU SPEAK AT TWO COMIC-CONS...THIS IS A SLAP IN THE FACE!
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"This looks like a fucking weaksauce 90s music video"... That's cause its based on the 40s all the way to the 80s, you dumbass!
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Who gives a shit about the alien at the end of the movie? Watchmen looks like it is going to eat thunder and shit lightning.
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These trailers have failed to FLIP MY BATPOD!!!
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Oct 22, 2008 9:45:28 PM CDT
The squid is this year's organic web-shooter and Galactus cloud
by chuck_chuckwalla
That is all.
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Since the new phrase for becoming ridiculous is "nuking the fridge" - I have decided that "cutting the squid" is the new phrase for making changes to source material that piss off fanboys.
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I grew up being familiar with the GN, but I never read it. I had heard buzz on the movie and started getting interested in it when some friends were going nuts about it. Later on, I happened across the movie script and read it. That is my first actual full reading of anything Watchmen. I had read some synopsis of it, but never anything full. When I read the script, I was floored. I loved the story, loved the characters, and everything just felt real tight. From reading the script alone, I could see why this was known as one of the best comic book stories ever written. Call me suprised when I started hearing people bitch that the ending was changed, so in my curiosity, I started to try to learn what was so epic about the original ending. A squid... Call me surprised when I learned that this is what all the backlash was about. Now don't get me wrong, I can understand that reading a comic, and seeing such destruction in those panels, and bodies strewn around the city, would be shocking in the panels of a comic book, but what urks me, is that I jumped on the bandwagon of calling this one of the greatest comic book stories ever, but now I feel that my opinion could mean shit to most of you because the story I read was..."Squid-less". So am I not allowed to agree about the greatness of this story because the story I read had no squid? Thats too bad, because the script I read was fantastic, and I for one cannot wait to see this in theaters.
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Hope they make a better trailer next time. The first one was awesomely cut. The song was a perfect fit for the images. Each sound effect, delivered right on time. This one...the (same) song seems to be just...wrong this time. They should use another tune. "Hey, let´s insert as many as possible scenes, I don´t care about pacing, rhythm or whatever", heh. Greatest joy: the Rorschach big entry into the Blake´s apartment, my favorite scene of the whole book. Greatest pain: whatta f***, in the same scene, his face looked just like the Goddamn Joker(tm). Only the ALMIGHTY SQUID can redeem Snyder now! (Just kidding, loved the new scenes, thanks for the trailer, Zack & co.)
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THe first thing you should probably do is read the actual comic.
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I agree, and plan on picking it up very soon. I am also watching the Motion Comic on Xbox Live. Like I said though, I still came out of the story thinking it was fantastic, but thats with the framing of Manhattan ending, so to me, the squid ending would probably be kinda wierd. Im just trying to explain from the other side of the fence, and agreeing, for or against the squid, it is still an amazing story
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I'm sure you read David Hayter's script. If so, don't read the ending for it's completely different than the way it is in the Comic. Alot of unnecessary dialogues, useless action and useless deaths in DH's script towards the end. Snyder has changed all that and I'm glad he did.
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David Hayter also changed the timeline in his script to modern era with War on Terror and all that crap. Snyder set it back to 1985 with Nixon and Cold war.
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The script I read was written by Alex Tse, i think it says, its kinda smudged
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....what the fuck is up with that exploding tank? It looks like a Saturday morning cartoon quality animation. And the slo-mo works well in a trailer, sure. But imagine watching an entire fucking movie like that. I know I know.....300....bla..bla...bla. 300 fucking sucks, but at least the slo-mo kinda/sorta worked for it because it was one setting and one look. It just seems bizarre to keep that consistent in this where there are so many layers and locations. It seems weird to sit through that much fucking slo-mo.
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Oct 23, 2008 12:00:29 AM CDT
oh...I found this quote from Arcadian DS about the tank...
by dannyglovers_dickblood
"Dude have you not ever READ Watchmen? Dr Man was a clockmaker. The whole novel has subtext that reference clockworkings (gears, et. al.). He didn't "Explode" that tank - he disassembled it down to its individual clockwork components - like a watchmaker would do.
Thats sort of where the whole name of the entire novel is derived from - anyone who sees that tank shot and doesn't 'get' what its showing you, has probably missed most of what the novel is even about." Uhhhhhh...right. So all that back-story is meant to justify why the CG looks so fucking shitty? Gotcha. -
is appearantly the new hot catchphrase.
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Oct 23, 2008 12:06:38 AM CDT
I realize what makes the slo-mo look so shitty....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
...the slo-mo shots might be okay if it weren't for that obnoxious fucking speed ramp bullshit: slow....fast....slow....really fast to emphasize a hit. Fuck that. Its like letting a 12 year old loose at the Final Cut Pro deck.
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http://tinyurl.com/575my5
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I've been asked to let you know that we are not going to respond to your dumbass messages here at acin talkback anymore.
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It's gonna blow peoples' minds.
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It took a perfectly good giant alien squid, painted flames on it, affixed fake nipples, stuffed it in a fridge and nuked it, and thus raped my childhood.
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Squid, no squid: Who cares. It’s a plot device not a character. I care more about the overlapping scene/dialog, the broad themes of power and betrayal and whether anyone comes out of this looking like a “heroic”super-hero. Drop the squid and you don’t have to concentrate on the “mystery island” sub-plot to set people up for a giant synthetic alien ending. Sure, framing Doc M is a dumb idea, but then “giant psychic squid saves the world” isn’t exactly elegant.
Whether you approve of the change or not, It’s a smart move to leave run-time room for the real meat of the story. If you want a word perfect faithful version of Watchmen I point you towards your nearest comic-book store. I’ll be happy if the movie gets anywhere within spitting distance of the multi-layered complexity of the book.
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then I'm sold, period. Well, unless the movie ultimately proves otherwise.
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He's written some of the best comics ever but he'd never admit to liking any film adaptation of his work. Why? Cause they're are all crap. And the lack of dialogue suggests this will be another addition to the crap adaptations of his work.
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I can confirm that the Squid has been replaced with Hulk Hogan as the baddie! "SNARL, HISS, BOOOOOOM, Love and Peace. BROTHER!" -roll credits-
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If indeed, work has been done on the squid as some insist, then here's what you need to do in order to make it make sense: You need two scenes to establish the scientists and such on the island. Only two scenes. The first scene is the one of the comic book writer flirting with the Indian artist drawing the squid. The second is the one when they both sneak onto that ship for a quickie and then get blown up. Both of those scenes together would not take up more than 6 minutes. It's called a reshoot. Don't even dream of giving me a squidless watered down Watchmen or there will be blood.
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You would have to explain who Max Shea and Hira are, what they do for a living, the fact that they have been voluntarily “kidnapped” and a broad outline of the project. The fact that Max worked on Tales of the Black Freighter might not seem relevant but it is part of the symmetry. Are you suggesting they are introduced, set up and killed all in 6 minutes?
You can’t just crowbar that into a quick expositional scene and expect it to all somehow hang together with a giant squid. The mystery needs to unfold.
Seriously Zac can change all he likes if he gets what watchmen WAS. It’s not a superhero book about a giant fucking squid: it’s main theme is it’s structure, be it the structure of symmetry, linear time or power, I’m curious to see if ZS manages to construct something a tenth as subtle and subversive as the book.
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If I stand over here, do you see, and I reach my straw all the way over here, do you see, then I drink your milkshake, and cut your squid. I - cut - your - squid! I cut it out! DRAAAAAAAAIINNNNAAAAAAAAAAGE!!!!
DRAAAAAAAAIINNNNAAAAAAAAAAGE!!!!
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I'd suggest a couple of quick scenes explaining who Max Shea et al are, their voluntary kidnapping and a brief outline of the project they were all hired for, and then - at the end, when the whole plan is revealed - quick-cut a montage as Ozy is explaining the whole plan to Dan Drieberg: as Ozy talks, the quick-cut scenes from back in the movie edited together right up to the scientists getting ready to teleport... SOMETHING (we don't see what)... then go to Ozy's iconic line, Dan's shocked face, then the white-out explosion in New York. A quick look at the scientists, who are happy that their teleport went to plan, then the aftermath in New York. Actually, maybe cut the scientists satisfied with the teleport scene. But it's not hard to use a quick-cut montage of previously unrelated (to the audience, anyway) scenes to explain to the audience what is REALLY going on. Think of the denouement to INSIDE MAN, then the pull-out to Clive sitting down and explaining what's really going on to us.
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Anyone know the name of the track featured in the trailer?
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'The Beginning Is The End Is The Beginning.' Don't mention it.
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totally unncessary and ridiculously stupid "flashback to how it all comes together" montage. the worst has to be the end of the illusionist, as you can see the director off camera calling out to paul giamatti "ok, so you're like whimsically impressed as you realize how it all fits together!"
FUCK OFF, it's watchmen. All it needs are hints throughout that they're doing something on this island, and for Ozy to be triupmhant when the squid blows everyone's minds.
I thought Zack Snyder was all tough n shit "instead of bringing watchmen to the audience, let the audience come to watchmen"... Fucking lameass marketing doublespeak. -
That quote in a nutshell is what's wrong with so much of the content on this site.
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Do you people read up on anything? Teleportation is a fact. Just photons so far, non-fermobut they're matter all the same. Read up on quantum entaglement, superlumincal information and the Bell Theroem, That's TheroEM, not theory (look up the difference).
Read up on cloning and genetic engineering, and Freud's and Jungs's works are always worth a look.
If mainstream audiences can't be fucked to do ANY of that, fine - but while studios are meant to make money with big budget movies, they're not expected to pander outright - otherwise all we'd get is hardcore porn in the cinemas. Which no-one would bother to go and see, because we can that for free these days.
And why the fuck do all the anti-quidder Snyder apologists who say the squid in the comic was bullshit BLATANTLY ignore the most salient fucking pro-squid point of all: Why would audiences connect with superhero costumes, vigilantism, powers, Owlships and alternate timelines but not a alien creature? A faked one at that?
If Snyder's alternate take on the story still holds up, great, but the next person who says the omission is good because the squid is 'stupid' needs to take a long hard look at their own grip on reality, and avoid fantasy fiction altogether. -
Personally I don't think the concept of the squid is stupid but I do think it's executed a bit clumsily in the comic.
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Is not it's a squid, but that it is drawn and coloured so badly, but then again I don't like the artwork of Watchmen anyway.
I just don't think the 'Primary Coloured Comic' style suits Watchmen - I'd love to see how your man who did 'Kingdom Come' would have done it.
Oh and please don't give me any crap about "It's supposed to be like that because it's a deconstruction/satire of... blah, blah, blah" - I know, I just don't like it. My opinion, and I am allowed to have it. -
But, I would really prefer that in the end, the giant being that is teleported into New York is
ALF. The psychic wave generated would bring the world together in order to save our cats.
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...don't you know George Lucas wished he had 0.1% of the "Moore can do no wrong" squid-apologists on his side when he shoved JarJar down our throats? "But see, he's a complete deconstruction of the 'goofy sidekick' so prevalent in Western cinema. No, seriously.....he was supposed to sound that way."
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LOLz!
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a bigass teleported mollusc with an asshole where its mouth should be, that killed 2 million New Yorkers with the power of its mind. Which was nice.
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squid squid squid squid!
wonderful squid, wonderful squid!
Here's lookin' at you, squid.
Squid?! Have you rehabilitated yourself?
Do you feel lucky, squid?
Today's lucky word is: SQUID!
NO LUKE, I AM YOUR SQUID.
THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE!
SEARCH YOUR BIOLOGICAL(!) MIDICHLORIANS, YOU KNOW IT TO BE TRUE.
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squid squid squid squid!
wonderful squid, wonderful squid!
Here's lookin' at you, squid.
Squid?! Have you rehabilitated yourself?
Do you feel lucky, squid?
Today's lucky word is: SQUID!
NO LUKE, I AM YOUR SQUID.
THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE!
SEARCH YOUR BIOLOGICAL(!) MIDICHLORIANS, YOU KNOW IT TO BE TRUE.
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Impressive. Most impressive.
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watched Disney's Beauty and the Beast last week with the kids. Pointed out that it was one of the first movies with CGI. Boy looked at me like "wha?". Told him it was state of the art at the time. Then I showed him my VHS copy of Star Wars. You can see the matte placement over most of the ships (TIEs, X-wings, Falcon, etc). Told him, this used to be state of the art. Told him that if the technology is bigger than the story, you end up with Clone Wars on CN. yuck.
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Did you see Arcadian's response to Hobocode earlier in the TB? Hobo said the tank explosion CG looked fake and Arcadian responds with this bullshit.
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"Fake tank explosion"
Dude have you not ever READ Watchmen? Dr Man was a clockmaker. The whole novel has subtext that reference clockworkings (gears, et. al.). He didn't "Explode" that tank - he disassembled it down to its individual clockwork components - like a watchmaker would do.
Thats sort of where the whole name of the entire novel is derived from - anyone who sees that tank shot and doesn't 'get' what its showing you, has probably missed most of what the novel is even about. ---------------------------------- That quote right there sums up why the mainstream public won't give a shit about this movie and why it will make about $200 bucks when its dumped in the theater on its shitty ass release date.
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"It’s not a superhero book about a giant fucking squid: it’s main theme is it’s structure, be it the structure of symmetry, linear time or power"
The last part of this sentence makes sense, but the first part is ridiculously stupid. Of course the book isn't a superhero book about a giant squid, in fact it's not really a superhero book of any kind. It's a hugely complex exploration and analysis of pretty much the entire history of comic books, from adventure to detective to sci-fi to superhero to pirate to horror. I just don't understand how ANYONE who actually understands the source material can be okay with the omission of an incredibly integral part of the entire storyline and purpose of the book. -
Okay, so a lot of you guys bitch and whine about the squid, and even more bitch and whine about "bullet time" or slow motion. One of you even had the audacity to complain that the slow mo was icky and stupid and that anyone who knew anything about film blah blah blah blah blah....Well, I know something about film. Film is a VISUAL experience. Snyder, who has used "bullet time" in exactly ONE other film, used it correctly in 300. The whole point of "bullet time" is to capture, VISUALLY, an imperceptible moment in time. To slow the symphony of destruction and show, VISUALLY, the artfulness of damage and instant disrepair. I liked 300, not because of Snyder. But I thank him for adapting it. It was a cinematic milestone. I still have not seen a movie shot as beautifully, it was a rolling painting. I am certain that the "bullet time" will be used appropriately in Watchmen. To slow down the environment so that people watching and analyzing the scene can truly appreciate the depth of what is going on is awesome. It sucks that many of you are probably too thick headed to respect that. AND, if no other point is meaningful to you....IT'S FUCKING BASED ON A STILL FRAMED GRAPHIC NOVEL!
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Sorry Jarv but if you want to be amused look at some of the Dark Knight talkbacks BEFORE the Dark Knight was released.
A large amount of the same strange loathing and abuse for TDK before IT was released has seemingly now been transferred to watchmen as the latest large "target". The same kind of irrational hatred for TDK from some talkbackers is evident in those pre-release talkbacks. The same absolutely certain predictions it would be "lame" or shit by a few vocal people.
Now don't get me wrong if you want to still hate The Dark Knight feel free. By the same token if you want to hate the Dark Knight Returns comic or watchmen or Kingdom Come or anything else feel equally free but be in no doubt there is a reason Watchmen is so well regarded as a comic.
Will watchmen be as well realised or as popular as TDK ? Since I haven't seen the Watchmen I'm not going to make any dumbass 100% certain predictions. But I myself DOUBT it will do as much box office as TDK though I can see it doing well enough because I also DOUBT it's going to be the shitfest some here are clearly hoping it will be.
There is enough in there before the "ending" in watchmen to make a great Movie (and correct me if I'm wrong but MOST of the problems that there was with TDK, because it ain't perfect, was with how it ended and the pacing/necessity of the Ferries final "face off" final stretch of the Movie etc. Yet that didn't kill TDK stone dead) Rorschach, Manhattan and even Nite Owl, Comedian and Laurie do more than enough before the ending to make this a superb Movie if it's done faithfully and well.
Simply repeating SQUID! as many times as possible isn't going to change anything either way.
The original ending should be kept IMHO but Rorschach alone will kick the living shit out of all the kiddie friendly Superhero fare of late. -
It'll be under 2h:45m in length because Dark Knight was 2:48 and it was way too close to the edge of the platters for the IMAX system. I would expect they would want to trim 10-15 minutes off for safety's sake.
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Bullet time was great in the first Matrix film but that technique soon got VERY old VERY fast. It's now a cinematic crutch used to desperately instill some kind of "instant coolness" into a Movie and because of that it usually ends up doing the complete opposite now.
I have no problem at all with watchmen using slo-fast-mo SPARINGLY for some of the ICONIC panels like the fall of the Comedian etc. But using it for EVERY fight scene or piece of action is simply overuse and reduces the impact and annoyance factor each time.
And frankly I myself don't give a fuck if some think wanting the original ending is "whining" or not. It worked in the comic and if Snyder can't make it work in the Movie then he'd best accept that his is a re-imagining of the work and take the criticism or praise that his re-imagining will get depending on it's effectiveness. -
For BORING! Hopefully it's massive failure will signal the end of milking comics for films. Most of the comic movies over the last 10 years are complete shit. You're telling me anyone has the following movies in their must-watch-many-times-nerd-rotation-list:Spider Man 2-3, Daredevil, Electra, Hulk 1, Punisher, Superman, X-Men 2-3, Fantastic Four 1-2
I'm sure I've missed some.The only way this movie makes money is for the obsesive-fan-boys to see it a dozen times each. They are trying to sell this as an action-comic flick. As soon as the word of mouth gets around that its a bunch of mentally ill idiots talking for 2 hours, people will go see Beverly Hills Chiuaua for the 4th time instead. -
I, as a full fledged geek, own all of those movies. By "Superman" are you referring to Donner's classic or the abortion Singer put into theaters, completely missing the point of a Superman movie?!?! Also, X-Men 2 was fantastic! Ditto Spider-Man 2. I'm done with this, you're either retarded or 14 or both.
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um, Danny. The reason why your argument doesn't hold water is that the basic premise is wrong. If you expect it to look like an 'exploding tank,' then yeah, it looks shitty. Except it's not. As Arcadian already stated, the tank isn't 'exploded,' it's disassembled. And for that, the effect looks fine.
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Sorry, but if you rewatch those films with any regularity you are a loser.X-2 and Spider-2 are pretty much worthless.Hopefully you and your comic-geek brothers can see Watchmen enough times for it to break even. Most people have no clue what it is and wouldn't give a shit.And I stopped collecting comics at 14. Seemed like mostly soap-operas for teenagers. They sure keep you hooked right? Bet you're there early every week for the new books right?
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Thank Christ every other genre of Movie is consistently excellent.
Because fuck knows what would happen if teen slashers were full of utter shit or teen comedies that were as funny as cancer were doing the rounds or action films and buddy cop Movies weren't without exception pure brilliance or some science fiction Movies were laughably bad or fat suit "comedies" wern't always hilarious or every fucking "remake" of a TV show hadn't been cinematic GOLD. -
Give me a fucking break. I don't give a fuck if the tank is exploding, disassembling or skateboarding down the fucking street. I'm not speaking of just the motion. I'm speaking of everything about it. The texture, the lighting, the blending, blue guy in the shot-- everything about that shot looks like fucking ass. Try to defend it all you want but overall the CG in this thing looks like shit. And notice the one single shot NOT in slomo when the chick is walking toward the camera-- looks goofy as fuck. Snyder is an incapable twat. He is a commercial director and thats what he makes-- commercials. Pretty visuals. Fuck off with this bullshit.
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I'm just pissed with the shit that Hollywood puts out these days. It's not just comic book movies I have a beef with. The Suits love to regurgitate utter shit movies based on proven properties, because most of the creative is done, there is already a built-in fan base and they probably don't have to do near as much marketing.Hollywood takes very few risks these days. The studios are just distribution networks and movies are very much funded by all sorts of third-parties. Just like the music business, the movie industry could give a fuck about actually making meaningful art. It's a miracle that the few good movies made each year actually see the light-of-day.
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You'll need that handy "how it all comes together" montage at the end of the movie, because although WATCHMEN is an extremely intelligent book that works on many levels, and will only really be completely devoured by the really interested and involved readers (usually genre fans), the WATCHMEN movie is in fact being marketed at EVERYONE. Since the vast majority of everyone are slobbering morons, you'll need a few dumbed-down tricks to keep things moving. rather a quick montage to explain how the squid plot works than lose it to some nonsense about how tactical nuke strikes are supposed to unite mankind against the living god Manhattan, rather than (as would happen) CAUSE the nuclear holocaust they're trying to avoid.
So, we could all be elitist (I think I sounded fairly elitist there myself ;P) about WATCHMEN, but I like to think my little montage idea would be a better compromise (and way to keep the squid ending) than the shitty cop-out it seems Zack has planned for us. Hollywood has lost its balls.
Oh, and Doc... RELAAAAAAAAX!!! -
"X-2 and Spiderman 2 were completely worthless"
What the fuck are you even doing on this website? -
I didn't know this site was only for comic book losers and comic-book-movie-adaptations-worshipers. My bad!?
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No Squid=Galactus is a cloud.
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Or do you prefer, I don't know, THE SUPERMAN DOOMSDAY TRILOGY.
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Absolutely right.
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It was a joke. Sorry. And that weird thing about Watchmaker and disassembling tank being partially where the title comes from is horseshit. I know next to nothing about Watchmen and even I know that the title comes from the well known maxim "Who watches the Watchmen?" Silly boys.
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...extreme close-up of Beanie Wells' toe. Ozymandias teleports the giant tootsie into the "Horseshoe" during the Michigan-OSU game, causing devastation and massive loss of life, not to mention months of psychic visions of fungal infections for the survivors. No reports on whether the toe is destroyed in the process, since the extremity is later admitted to an undisclosed slipper at the Betty Ford Clinic.
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