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HEROES Begins Casting Volume Four: Fugitives!!
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E!’s Wanda Two Saints reports that “Heroes” has hired the great Zeljko Ivanek (“Homicide,” “Oz,” “24”), who just picked up an Emmy for playing Ted Danson’s evil bald minion Ray Fiske on “Damages,” as The Hunter.
He’ll turn up early in the fourth volume of the series, dubbed “Fugitives.”
Entertainment Weekly reported earlier this month that the late Fiske (not to mention similarly bullet-perforated boss Arthur Frobisher) will be back on “Damages” when its new season resumes Jan. 6 on FX.
Find all of E!’s story on The Hunter here.
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if that's true, AWESOME, ivanek was the best part of the show, but...how?
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I've enjoyed this season... far more than last anyway.
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I'm voting for flashback.
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I would say under-rated but that's obviously not the case if he's winning awards.
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did they save the cheerleader yet?
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I thought that the coverage of Heroes on this site was going to go away. Oh sure the show isn't perfect but they are answering some questions and making sure that as many plot holes as possible are filled. Also, and more importantly, the show is entertaining from week to week, and I can't say the same thing about a lot of shows on television. Plus with Heroes winning the 18-49 Demo in it's time slot the show isn't going anywhere this season or next. Plus when Monday night football ends in January, just in time for Feb. Sweeps I think the ratings are going to go up by at least a million, and a few more people in the key demoes NBC wants.
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Who does she think she is?...ScriptGirl?!?
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Heroes seems to like to bring in actors (often more talented than the regulars) to an already overloaded cast, then give them mediocre roles.How could anyone who has seen Damages wonder how Fiske returns? Or did you not notice that much of the first season took place in flashback?
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Somebody grab him and there's your fuckin Fugitive season right there. "I want you to check every outhouse, whorehouse, and henhouse for every 10 miles... for Superheroes." Boom. Somebody give Tommy Lee Jones the part, just like the good old days when he was in every single movie ever.
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hire actors from great films(Star Trek), great tv shows (The Wire) and beloved tv shows (Greatest American Hero, etc) and have them play a series of bit parts in the latest utterly convoluted mess that the team of retarded monkeys they call writers on that show have cooked up.
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That would fix a whole myriad of problems. That guy is a maroon.
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...as Juliet's ex.
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Its amazing how quickly they made it so convoluted.
I mean it takes comic companies like DC and Marvel years to get things in such a mess, they have "events" like Crisis of Infinite Earths etc.
Am a big fan of Hiro and Pete, but their powers for me are the main reasons its become so convoluted.
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hello I dont have any powers oh now I do have powers.
Hi I used to have powers now I dont (or do I....)
Hello I was killed a few episodes ago now I am alive.
I have never been mentioned before, I am alive too!
Oh throw in some big words about oh I dunno being 'chosen' all this is happening as fortold, or we hever thought this would happen etc. there you go.
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Thats what we need. A Heroes 'event.' DO it like survivor, show it over the summer and have people voted off the show. And yes, they can vote for writers too. :p
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"Heroes creator Tim Kring is writing the Fugitives premiere!"
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end of the season then, i wonder who's on the run ?
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Yeah dont actually want an "event", just using that as an example to show how comicdom get themselves out of convoluted messes that they create over decades.
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Too many characters... and this is super hero fantasy... you can always bring someone back in the future pending contract negotiations etc...
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Oct 20, 2008 5:35:36 AM CDT
This is the man that just took the Emmy from the great Michael E
by nalapou
In other words, this is another reason to NOT watch Heroes anymore. Fuck him.
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If the ratings keep plummeting like Britney Spear's gunt, there ain't gonna be a fourth season. Seriously - what they need to hire is not another cast member, but a real life time traveler who can go back in time to the Heroe's writers' meeting where they decided to use time travel as a plot device and kill everyone in the room.
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For someone who has "given up" on Heries, there sure does seem to be more than a little talk about the show.
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once upon a time, Heroes season 1 used tightly-plotted entertaining storylines, building in clever twist after twist.
In Heroes season 3, the main entertainment comes from predicting which character will suddenly betray their core motivation, arbitrarily change sides, stupidly ignore all their previous experience and/or otherwise make ridiculous decisions because the storyline requires it
I still find Heroes entertaining, and season 3 has been slightly more compelling than season 2. But this show is still a mess and there's only so long that one can rely on the goodwill of fans to keep watching.
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Is Season 4 inspired by the show's ratings?
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Heroes is so bad this season, that it's ruining other shows on other networks. GOOD FUCKING JOB, HERC.
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...Cancellation. Hey, I've actually enjoyed this season as sort of a mindless, slightly entertaining background noise, but let's face it...
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Running from "The Company"? Sound familiar? Heh.
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Once they've proven they can write for the current set of characters, THEN they can bring on new ones. Why are writers so untouchable in Hollywood?
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Let's just hope Primatech v. Pinehearst is a little more of a knockdown drag-out slobberknocker than Peter v. Sylar in the season 1 finale.
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The way I understand it, Season 3 is going to be broken down into two "volumes." Volume 3 is "Villains" (which was going to be the second half of season 2 before the writer's strike happened). Now "Volume 4: Fugitives" is going to be the second half of season 3.
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Lost made a HUGE deal to take a break during season 3. This is the same kind of break that Heroes will have, but they aren't promoting it. So, we aren't seeing the same kind of anger in relation to the split season plan. Nice work Heroes.
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I think he sung too
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I will finally jump off this sinking ship.
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It's super dark and I am enjoying it immensely... the 3rd season is MUCH better than 1 and 2!
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Instead of rushing more suckage to the masses, how about if they take a step back and see what made the show decent in the firt place.
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You're in the minority. But good for you.
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He's a great actor and his role will probably be interesting and have lots of potential. Therefore, he will die in the same episode in which he is introduced, because that's what Heroes does to it's good characters. I bet Pa Patrelli lasts about three episodes, tops.
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Oct 20, 2008 9:57:51 AM CDT
Also, add a Terminator or Chuck Talkback, and bail on Heroes.
by brock samson
Herc, you were so close to eliminating these Heroes talkbalks! C'mon, pull the plus and promote a better show.
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Like it did last week, It's time for Chuck to pack it in. Both shows have cratered, Nielsen-wise, thanks to DWTS punking their asses.
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"get canceled. I mean, quit."
"So when the cancellation order came down from the studio because of the poor ratings, well, it was just a nice coincidence really."
"I expect we can bring Heroes to the big screen in a year or two"
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Hey how about they forsee a future where the world is destroyed and they have to save it, yet Peter and Sylar can somehow manage to forget all the other powers they have and get killed/sidelined. Oh wait.
So "Fugitives" implies it's a X-Men 2 kind of thing where the world finds out, tries to destroy them, and they have to hide/fight back? Yawn. -
Judging from casting a character called 'The Hunter' I'm guessing it will be a continuation of the Days of Future Past ripoff with a dash of Mr. Sinister thrown in for good measure.
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Nothing against the actor playing Hiro, but the show sucks because of the character. None of the stories matter or even make sense when you have a guy that can go into the past to change things on a whim. His ridiculous stance that he will never go into the past again after his feudal Japan experience is just dumb, lazy writing. The actors on the show are all great, especially Quinto. But the writers are not smart enough to deal with time-travel story lines. This would not be a big deal if they just got rid of Hiro or took his powers away somehow.
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and his time travel powers.
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She's the only one who can.
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Just kidding. I'm not watching anymore though. And they should start hiring better writers, not actors.
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How about just a Monday tv talkback, a Tuesday tv talkback, and so on? Let people talk about whatever is on that night. I like the Heroes talkback, but would also like a Sarah Connor talkback... Chuck would be fun, but not deserving of it's own whole dedicated thread...
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...she's never been all that good on Heroes. It seems like the show brings the better actors on the show down to it's own crappy level.
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We have to wait just a little bit longer for her to be the Brad Lidge of Heroes - a save situation. Nice Phillies insert there. :)
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Home, that is.
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I posted basically this idea to clean up the mess that is Heroes about two weeks ago. Where is my check Kring?
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She's such a talented actress and plays her part to a T.
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I think it has jumped the shark. That's an extremelly summed up reason, however I don't feel like writing 2 paragraphs right now.
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Just a raging review of Heroes season3 on MSNBC. It actually made sense.
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I assume you mean when he voted against the intelligence bill that would ban the CIA from using waterboarding as an interrogation tactic. The CIA would have to abide by the Army Field Manual, which also prohibits beatings, electric or temperature shocks, forced nudity, mock executions, and the use of dogs? He was honoring the letter of the law by defending the Military Commissions Act, which allows the CIA to operate under different interrogation rules than the Army. he was upholding a law already on the books and regularly enforced. That is not catering to the right. That is being a technocrat.
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I was onboard for the first 3 episodes. I could deal with the brainlessness. Somehow, smack in the middle of episode 4, I stopped caring. The great team that they spent the first season setting up, Hiro, Parkman, Clair, HRG, woule never actually become a team. Superpowered villans are loose and nobody ever bothered to call the other guys with superpowers in to deal with them. Rather they would all go "oh, you have superpowers as well. Ok. Well, I'm going home, let's forget we ever met." I hope to hear it's gotten better. Until then, "Bringing Out the Dead" is a great book...
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Wrong talkback.
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That remark by Tracy, who should have absolutely known about Nathan's assassination attempt in last week's episode just floored me. That was really careless on the writers' part.
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I can trump that, Pennsy. Ando finds out there's two halves of the formula in 3x02. He's in the room when Daphne says it... yet the next week, he seems surprised when she says it again. But if Hiro 'killing' Ando couldn't turn me off the show, I don't think any plotholes can.
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Yeah, that's why HRG is a series regular after starting as a recurring character, Angela Petrella is a series regular after starting as a recurring character, Ando is a series regular after starting as a recurring character... hey wait a second? If you'd bothered to read the article, you'd see that he was booked for TEN episodes.
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christ, you greedy aholes, i hate that .0, .2 things, just wait untill you have the last 10 and put the whole box out. doofus!
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Hate to see you bail, too. :(
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...blows me away (in sheer coolness) in tonight's episode. If no such moment happens, then we're done.
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Save the Kristen, Save the Showthis is for Pennsy
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You know this to be true...
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is the biggest "fuck you" TV has offered in a long time. The writers didn't care a thing about the characters and how their personalities have evolved over the series. They wanted to do something "shocking" and ended up looking stupid and desperate. I expect the ratings for this week to tank.
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Here we go...
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how did this show go so wrong? is it Kringle, the network?
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when your life force is sucked out of you by some telepathic power-sucking 60-year-old dude in a hospital bed.
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Papa Petrelli has ... a very powerful power.
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R.I.P., Adam.
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High five indeed
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Turtle Airlines. But are they fees-free like Southwest??
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but Papa Petrelli taking care of Kensei drew me back in
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It's like Whedon wrote this ep
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LMAO
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Heehee ... I see Hiro still is holding the idiot ball
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They're coming up with some great villains
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if only you'd waited *just a couple of minutes* to say that...
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Uh, hello? They need to resolve Ando killing Hiro in the future. This isn't rocket science, people.
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The commercial is a lie
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That didn't take long, huh
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Sucks to be her right now...
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never mind. I'm sure it's already being written.
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Which blonde will he choose?
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puppetmaster thinks Claire is dead, so Claire can stop him etc etc
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If Claire's mom was shot, and we found out she had a power.
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now all she has to do to beat the bad guys is get shot and pretend to die. they made her so much more compelling.
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But who is Clair's real father? I thought they were going to say that Clair was flame lady's kid and that would make the puppetmaster her father -- unless her father was established in another episode I'm forgetting about.
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My sentiments exactly.
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"Mom. Just not the head." BLAMMO!
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and not puppetmaster
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BTW, loved the scene with Meredith and Claire in the container a couple eps back ... the scanty clothing, the sweat ...
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And you play russian roulette? Oh come on.
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Plus he was hot (get it) for Meredith
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More more more!
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And what's with the fists?
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Great call
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"I am a mawnster. And you are my bride."
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I love Spider-Mohin
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Or is it a temporary measure? I'm guessing it's permanent since he seems to be able to communicate telephathically (I thought Maury was doing the work last week).
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Even the haters should admit it.
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because there's nothing else going to save this show, they forgot to set any rules for their universe and created characters that can subvert anything that happens but make up ridiculous reasons why they don't. It's a shame.
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Mama Petrelli was the one who had Hiro get Adam out ... but she's not working with Papa. So why did she get him out?
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'Cause your back is gonna get sunburned to the bone anyway....
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But had some strong elements. These three eps as a group better than all of last season.
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Because the writers tried to set up something that paid off in basically the very next episode. A juvenile and unintelligent way of writing...
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Papa Petrelli, Maury the K, Fearmonger, and someone I don't recognize with a goatee
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*headdesk*
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as his dad talked and walked in for the hug, i said to myself "can be please for the love of God not be stupid ONCE in his life"...nope.
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Adam dies because he's four hundred years old. So he can't kill Claire that way.
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There. Explanation given! :)
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Have you read/watched the remaining episodes of this chapter?
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The idiot ball has Peter's name engraved on it.
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My bad. :D
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Is that why he wants the formula? To create potential targets?
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Cromwell was gonna be on My Own Worst Enemy?
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What are they doing??!! Peter knows there are people with powers, knows it could easily not be his Dad at all but some doppelganger type, yet he just lets him walk up to him?! The writers need to go back and watch the first half of the first season again.
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Finally. Maybe the writers are listening...
1. Hiro is told to think for a change.
2. Peter, absorber of all powers, loses all his. Does he still have the ability to absorb, or is that gone too? I'm hoping the latter, or at least a very long time until he smartens up enough to get them back.
3. The puppet master should have had Meridith and Barbie into a (potentially) compromising situation. A little mom-and-daughter action wouldn't hurt ratings. I'm only half-serious.
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And they couldn't give him a cajun accent? What's up with that?
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a different Cromwell? I'm taping MOWE now to watch later.
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I was happy to see that Peter finally remembered that he could turn invisible. Could have saved him a LOT of grief in the past if he had used that ability more often (would have saved me a few "WTFs" as well)
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And so should all of you. This season started off decent, and every subsequent episode has been better than the last. I'm back on board.
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That'll do pig.
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But overall strong, and like I said combined with the previous two eps it was better than all last season.
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I would still like some explanation on where the kids in this show went? Last week they did still show us that Molly does still exist but what about Petrelli's kids and wife and good guy Matt Parkman is so over his wife and unborn child (that is probably born now) that he is ready to hook up with a much younger woman?
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I hope he's a permanent addition. I liked the pilot, thought the idea of Edward covertly working sideways to the organization was an interesting take on a traditional role. Adding someone with the gravitas of Cromwell would be cool.
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This season. Petrelli's kids and wife have been written out for now, it seems (although they could very well become a factor later), ditto Parkman's family. The kid wasn't his anyway, so it's unlikely the kid has powers.
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I changed the channel, and will not be turning it back
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I never really thought I'd say this, but after tonight I'm done. This show has gone full retard. The writers don't even seem to be trying anymore.
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Until next time. This is Talkback ChrTh signing off.
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I refer to bringing Adam back only to kill him in basically the very next episode.
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peter: my preciouussssssss
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Nathan Petrelli is Caire's father, or so we've been told thus far.
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sort of, accept peter just copies abilities instead of stealing them. I'm wondering why his copying ability didn't make him as powerful as his dad.
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Glad to hear it's getting another season. I think it's better this year, personally. What ever happened to the Origins mini-season? I'm I the only one who doesn't know? lol
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...he reminds me of Goku in Dragon Ball Z.
He's incorruptible.
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wait...but nathan got his powers altered by a scientist, so how could he have the genetic material to pass on to Clai -- oh what's the fucking use tryin to figure out this show.
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"He's going to save everyone." Hiro, that is. And I totally agree.
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There is some guy on this show who is the 17th member of his family with the same name? WTF? Must be a George Foreman affair with numerous siblings with the same name.
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Volume Five: Plotholes!!
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Claire's birth mom shoots flames. If you're going to point out flaws, make sure they're actual flaws.
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Pirate Emery: But at least he died with good cause. It's not like he came back and took a bullet in the head. If he hadn't been 400 years old, he would've survived the 'attack'.
Magic Rat: Sylar also has the same power, although manifested differently. Peter's power is the most 'evolved' of the three, because he shares powers, he doesn't take them (or kill the person to take them). -
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*rolls eyes*; NBC really doesn't have anything on the bench that the suckfests on their schedule will get free passes no matter how much they try to outdo Sylar. As in brain-sucking every last bit of our intelligence. -
I actually enjoyed that one, while I detested every other episode this season. That was at least season 2 quality anyway. I can't quite put my finger on why, but I'll take what I can get.
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After this from E!'s Kristin Dos Santos tonight: "I'm also hearing of another blond female Hero/Villain (seriously, who can say who's what these days?) whose head is on the chopping block."
If Bell is shown the door, not only does Tim Kring make the Dean's List of 2008 TV Hall of Stoopid Decisions, but I'ma half-stride behind her and will bide my time until January 16 for BSG's final 10 episodes. Here's the URL: http://tinyurl.com/6rogqz. -
I usually rip this show a new asshole every week, it's been pure shit from the first episode. I think what worked was not flying around but instead focusing on a few plots. Really like the Father so far, glad to see Adam die. Liking Tracy a lot more than Nikki, Peter needs to stop doing that same intense mad look head neck tilt thing every episode. Bad over actor. Laughed at the shovel on the head bit, pretty clever.
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idiot ball. He saw Tracy freeze that thing; then when she offers him her hand, he took it. A nitpick on an otherwise good episode.
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Its weird, the only problem I have with this season is that they made Sylar Peter's brother. Other than that, I think all the problems I had with the way the plot has been going have been fixed and I like what it is leadng towards. The episode felt different to me because its the first time that we have the inkling that there is going to be groups of super powered people together instead of just one or two following their own storyline.
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should be replaced by regular weekly Chuck talkbacks.
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Tim Kring wants Kristen full time. Kristen LOVES being on heroes. However, as Tim Kring has explained it and Bell has said: Her career is taking off and she doesn't want to be tied down to a TV show. Kring has said they will try to schedule around Bell when she's available.
Kring is actually pretty good about not getting in the way of actors ability to pursue a career outside of his show.
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The Good: 1) Adam’s powers being sucked away only to turn him into a mortal 3000 year old corpse? That. Was. SICK! 2) …the fact that Claire’s blood can easily heal makes this scene even more wicked/sick. Sure this guy could’ve healed himself with Adam’s blood; he preferred to just steal his powers and see Adam squirm with fear while doing it. Oh yeah; we’ve got a major arch-villain on our hands now! 3) Hiro redeemed himself this episode with admirable comedy relief and, yes, he did not REALLY kill Ando. 4) Claire defeats Puppet-Master-Dork (although I would’ve preferred he was set on fire or something). And 5) This episode was so passable it makes the whole season’s story now look passable. Maybe. *****As for the BAD: 1) Ice-hands Tracy/Nikki simply asks to take Mohinder’s hand and he does? Lame. 2) While it’s nice that the grade school explanation of Hiro “not killing Ando” was right on target, it was still a grade-school solution. Though hey, kids, you were right: Hiro actually goes back in time with fake blood and hands it to Ando. Lame. 3) So Sylar steals powers by touching their brain and Peter just absorbs their powers passively through mid air and now: a big bad guy sucks the “hero” right out of ya. Are we about DONE now with heroes whose “power” is to absorb powers? 4) Speaking of which: this big bad guy’s plan is to mass market powers? WHY? Unless he gets off on stealing powers and wants more people to steal from; there’s no logistical reason to an all-powerful villain wanting to mass market super powers. And the last bad thing: #5) This season is still terribly negative with nobody “new” discovering new powers and using their powers for something good. That said: I’m still hoping that this Villains storyline ends in time for November sweeps and they jump to a story with more heroes and less “villains who ate your brain and now want to be pals.” I at least like the new title: a “Fugitive” story sounds far more interesting than a villains story. After all; this is a series about Heroes, not the villains.
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Well put. It's nice to see a little balance in these talkbacks. I still love this show, but it certainly has it's flaws. Dead on about Hiro though, the getting hit twice with the shovel was comedic genius.
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Everyone seems to come and go as they please now. Please please please--no more Peter, Mohinder, or Parkman. Between the bad acting and bad dialogue, these three are absolutely painful to watch. Kill them all, now, permanently. Do a crossover and have Jennifer Burton take care of 'em.
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As for their powers being similar, they are father and sons.
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Although Hiro getting hit twice with the shovel was not comedic genius; it was just stupid. Someone who freezes time as easily as blowing his nose does not need to sneak up on someone who can see the future.
"I have super powers, but I conveniently forget to use them for comedic purposes! Now hit me on the head with that shovel!!"
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while Future Peter is desperate enough to keep the lid on the existence of super beings that he would kill his brother, Now Daphne casually and repeatedly zips in and out of a crowded airport with her super speed.
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He couldn't have gotten it whilst still having Claire's power, so while he's essentially powerless now's the time.
Surprising (and highly uncharacteristic) amount of forethought on the part of the writers if that's the case, unless they've lucked it out, which appears to be more likely. -
That was an enjoyable episode. There were a lot of call outs to the fans and detractors. Ando: "Just go back in the past one minute before" was an exact takeoff of commentors complaints. People complain that Peter is too powerful so they took away his powers, etc. Best line of the evening: "High Five, Turtle!"
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seriously - could he be any more indecisive and confused ? He's a complete tool.
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On Sylar? He torpedo'd him and then shot him with lightning.
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On Sylar? He torpedo'd him and then shot him with lightning.
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This show has jumped the shark.
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1) I dunno why, but having Daphne be able to grab onto someone's hand and bring them while she's speeding just doesn't seem right to me. Whatever though, not too big a deal. People teleport with others, etc on this time.
2)Daphne speeding in and out of the airport in front of the public was DUMB WRITING.3)So, now Hiro has no qualms with going back in time? And why not freeze time when tryng to sneak up on someone? I know we wouldn't have a show, but the way they treat Hiro's powers is DUMB.
4)All that said, I was entertained. Arthur is pretty badass, kind of sad to see Adam go because I liked the actor. Course this is Heroes, they could probably bring him back if they really wanted to but now there's not really a point. 5)Peter still dumb as a brick. Got what he deserved, he never used his powers intelligently anyway. Maybe daddy will show him how it's done. I really want to see a confrontation between Sylar and Arthur now. -
The stuff about next weeks episde makes it look like thatpetes father can give back the powers he took and that he only took them from peter to teach him a lesson. Seems like he will give them back to peter.
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So I call him Ed Danvers. The episode where his fiancee gets shot in Homicide: Life in the Street should have won him an Emmy, and if it did, then give him an Oscar and a Grammy to boot.
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I forgive Peter for the hug because it's his dad. But couldn't he have snuck in and done a little spying before hand? the Patrelli's are all so damn hot-blooded. Claire wanted to run into Doyle's place without a plan too until her mother stopped her. Maybe it's inbreeding?
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keeps rolling along as a pleasant surprise. I look forward to it more than Heroes now.
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It had Tracy (or Barbara) apparently teamed up with Maury, fear-sucker, and Adam Monroe. But Adam is dead now. Can't see him coming back after that one.
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Claire got her powers from her mother's side, then. Unless it's been established that it only passes from the father or it's a recessive gene that needs to be passed on by both parents. But if Nathan has powers thanks to science, then maybe his genes were tampered with. Then, he would be able to pass on powers. Itchy, I'm not sure but I would imagine a woman riding your johnson at super speed would rub the skin off. Perhaps not, though. But, is it a chance you wanna take?
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Sorry, but the truth hurts. It sucks as a lead-in and is a terrible show to build Mondays around. Heroes' overnight rating was a 5.2 rating, 8 share, down 27% from last year.. Worst Week (6.0/9) beat it. How bad is that?
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was utter crap. Terrible acting, mom tagging along, Noah showing up at the end. The Claire actress cannot play a badass... she lacks the acting chops to be taken seriously. My eyes rolled with every "bad-ass" word she tried to speak. LAME!!
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when Claire and her mom and her mom all go costume shopping.
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Overall I felt this weeks episode was above average compared to the rest of the season so far. I liked the intro of Papa Petrelli, although I felt Adam was kind of a wasted character. Everything with Ando and Hiro was good stuff, Hiro's "That's racist" line gave me a chuckle even if it's an old joke. As someone brought out earlier, Hiro and Ando are the only two characters on the show that are truly likable. I agree with the Puppet Master comments, you know if someone that disgusting and creepy would be seriously using those powers in a perverted way with 3 blondes in the house. I know I made a comment about speedster chick having a fat ass last week, but you can do a lot better than Parkman. I also don't understand why African Isaac wants Hiro to bring him to the villians? What the hell is he going to do, paint them to death? Anyways I still hate mohinder and am hoping that Tracy and Nathan kick his ass next week. I'm also kind of curious as to who the leader of the hero squad will be. The Fugitives title sounds a little sketchy to me. If I know Kring and his affinity of all things X Men, the hunter will be a Boliver Trask character who creates giant robots called... Centinels that are used to track down fugitive heroes. Actually, the more I think about it I'm sure it"ll turn out this way.
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The badass persona is just boring, she was good as a cute cheerleader. Maybe they can use this new unlikable Claire as an excuse to kill her off in order to recover from the drastic mistake of allowing her blood to be able to heal others. Once they did that, I wanted both her and Adam be killed off and it looks like I got my wish on one of them anyway. They need to reintroduce the concept of mortal danger to the show. You can't be considered a "hero" if you aren't really at risk.
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The reason why the dream was the way it was is because the writers are making it up as they go along. Cleary...
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Yeah... yeah, it is...
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Oct 21, 2008 11:56:22 AM CDT
I don't think Chuck gets the blame for Heroes' slide in ratings
by chromedome
27% down from last year is squarely on Heroes' shoulders--if viewers prefer to watch Dancing With the Stars over Heroes, you can't blame Chuck.Chuck has been self-consistent, hits the right tone for what it doing, and has likeable characters, well written dialog.Heroes started to lose me last season when Claire and her flying buddy used their Hero-Powers to humiliate/frame a cheerleader so she could get on the squad herself so she had a plausible lie to tell HRG when she was sneaking out to see her boyfriend. WTF!?!?I fear that not even Kbell can save Heroes if the writing does not improve. Who would have thought that Peter would become more annoying and stupid than Mohinder....?
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Mind you; it's part of a perfect storm that's fucking it and every other show that took a 9-month hiatus due to the cursed writers' strike. Private Practice, Chuck, Dirty Sexy Money, Pushing Daisies, Life and Heroes registered minimum 25% viewer declines with their respective fall premieres vs. last year. Of course, Heroes has frakked around with series canon and more than its share of WTF moments, and not of the 'wow, that rocked' variety. The days of 7 ratings and 11 shares, household-wise, are a thing of the past. Chuck IS part of the problem, but not the main problem.
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Mind you; it's part of a perfect storm that's fucking it and every other show that took a 9-month hiatus due to the cursed writers' strike. Private Practice, Chuck, Dirty Sexy Money, Pushing Daisies, Life and Heroes registered minimum 25% viewer declines with their respective fall premieres vs. last year. Of course, Heroes has frakked around with series canon and more than its share of WTF moments, and not of the 'wow, that rocked' variety. The days of 7 ratings and 11 shares, household-wise, are a thing of the past. Chuck IS part of the problem, but not the main problem.
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The Peter-Sylar fight was awesome, and just enough... Hiro being hit twice was hilarious... and to top it all off, Papa Petrelli owns everyone.
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I'm convinced either Takei or Roundtree should be a regular. Death be damned.
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but the specials get more powerful as they get older so it may explain the difference.
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Papa Petrelli's power is a mix of Peter and Sylar's. They have half of it (Peter absorbs abilities through emotion, Sylar takes them by force.)
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Yes, let's hug the dad who put mom in a coma and is behind all the evil shit going on. That's not suspicious at all. And couldn't you stay invisible and do a little recon work before saying "hey everybody, I dont know wtf is going on but let's fight!"
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She's been lost in the shuffle, big-time. I hope she gets shuffled back into the main plot before long. ;)
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Someone said in an earlier TB that Heroes is plagued by idiot-plots, meaning that the characters act like idiots in order to serve the plot. Last night had sooo many examples of this:
Hiro should have stopped time before getting hit by the shovel instead of traveling back. Yes, a tad amusing, but really more stupid than funny.
2. I can live with Mohinder taking Tracy's hand, but then they just hang around so Mohinder can wake back up. A common incident of stupidity, not unique to Heroes.
Claire has a one-shot taser gun. And of course she just talks and postures instead of shooting the bad guy. Yeah, this is also typical, but it is still stupid.
Peter..well, pretty much everything Peter Petrelli does is stupid. I do like to say his name, though. And soon to be revealved...everyone in the entire cast is a Petrelli! -
How'd Parkman get to an airport?
Followed the turtle, or, more likely, Issac told him how to get to the nearest road or town and he hitchhiked or took a bus.
How did he get back home?
Yep, on an airplane.
Mama Petrelli was the one who had Hiro get Adam out ... but she's not working with Papa. So why did she get him out?
I think she had a few questions for him about last season's killing spree, and, what with his magic blood and all, that Level 5 was where she wanted him, but clearly she overestimated Hiro’s intelligence in sending him alone. (Man, they really need to get some better security on Level 5, for real, but I guess they’re running real low on bodies over there.)
So, does Papa Petrelli keep the powers he absorbs, or is it a temporary measure?
God, I hope not, because the ending seemed kind of like a Game Over scenario, with Papa Petrelli now having complete power over time and space, immortality, pre-cognition, the ability to “figure it all out,” fly, go nuclear, control minds, yada, yada. If he’s really got it all, he’s basically Satan On Ice now, so why does he even need a League of Bad Guys now? How could he possibly be stopped? Oh, sorry, it is not for Plot Hole Apologist Man to question why, but rather to apologize when the need arises.
Peter knows there are people with powers, knows it could easily not be his Dad at all but some doppelganger type, yet he just lets him walk up to him?!
It’s likely that Peter could read his Pop’s mind to the extent that he believed him to be real. It bears repeating that Peter has gone from very confused to seriously deranged, so doesn’t really know what he’s doing.
I would still like some explanation on where the kids in this show went? Last week they did still show us that Molly does still exist but what about Petrelli's kids and wife and good guy Matt Parkman is so over his wife and unborn child (that is probably born now) that he is ready to hook up with a much younger woman?
Yeah, that’s kind of how it goes in a bitter divorce. Just ask 90% of Hollywood actors.
Wait...but Nathan got his powers altered by a scientist, so how could he have the genetic material to pass on to Clai[re]…?
Indeed, this is what we’ve been told, that Nathan was given his powers, and that Claire is his daughter, but there’s no reason that he couldn’t have passed a mutation on once he had been mutated. Or, she did get them from her Mom, or Adam, or…, who knows? What exactly Clairebear is and how she came to be in this timeline has never been fully explained.
What’s with the Speedster zipping in and out of the airport? And how stupid is it that she can take someone’s hand and speed them along?
She’s so fast, nobody even sees her, or believes it when they do. I suppose her abilities are less physical in nature, and have more to do with manipulating the flow of time and space around her.
But couldn't he have snuck in and done a little spying before hand? The Petrelli's are all so damn hot-blooded.
Exactly. Powers manifest themselves most fully in moments of duress, as Monster Mohinder has discovered. When one uses one’s powers, it clouds the mind with adrenaline, a vicious cycle that leads to much idiot balling and casual villainy.
What was up with Mama Petrelli's dream in EP2? It had Tracy (or Barbara) apparently teamed up with Maury, fear-sucker, and Adam Monroe. But Adam is dead now. Can't see him coming back after that one.
The future has “changed” since then. Of course, it’s true that Adam does still exist in the past.
I also don't understand why African Isaac wants Hiro to bring him to the villains?
No, he didn’t, just said that you can either bring me to the villains, as was Hiro’s intention, or you can follow your own path, now that Issac has showed him their faces.
So, now Hiro has no qualms with going back in time?
I guess he’s toeing the waters a bit with little itty-bitty trips where he can do the least damage to the time stream.
And why not freeze time when tryng to sneak up on someone?
Well, he didn’t know where Isaac was, so I guess his idiotic plan was to call him out and then freeze time.
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And NBC Mondays were never "built around" that show. It was the newbie, so it was never intended to carry anything. Their Mondays were built around Heroes. If any show is "to blame," it's Heroes. Chuck isn't to blame any more than any of those other returning shows that are currently in the crapper. The only thing to blame is the damn writers strike. "Pushing Daisies" is back and better than ever, yet it's doing the worst. It's shows like that and Chuck who are the victims of the situation, because they were never given a proper chance to build their audience before the over-long hiatus. For many, Chuck was still "That show before Heroes." Heroes had it's shot, and lost it's audience. Therefore, I'd say Heroes is the show that's failing Chuck (and Monday nights), not the other way around.
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Sylar is now the Best Hero Ever! In a really bizarre development, he is shown front and center in the promos of "heroes" against villains.
Apparently he is sorry? He changes in the future? If only our own legal system were so forgiving: So....you killed how many people to get more power? No matter, in the future you are some sort of totally gay dad, so we will not only forgive you, you can be our leader.
I can only think the Quinto as Spock thing has made the writers decide to give him the lead role Milo has done so poorly. -
Mrs. Parkman found out she was pregnant during S1. S1 spanned eight weeks. The gap between S1 and S2 was four months. S2 spanned less than a week. S3 picked up where S2 ended. S3 has spanned less than a week. Ergo, she has not given birth. Do the maths you cretin!
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Pennsy - dude, stop turning this into a KB fest. Yes, she seems like a cool lady and can act... but the show is not called Elle (thank GOD), and - as others have mentioned - they can't use KB if she's too busy to meet the desired dates. Case in point, her scenes in 3x02 were shot AFTER her scenes in her next (chronological) episode. They are bending over backwards to accomodate her, so please can you stop this 'oh, Heroes better treat her right' bullshit. The fact is, they could've written her off in 3x02 permanently by having her die after the electrical discharge, but they didn't.
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Mohinder took Tracy's hand because there is still humanity inside of him, and he feels he failed Niki... and Tracy/Nathan didn't split immediately because the latter was woozy and barely conscious.
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Heroes Season 3...now with even MORE shark jumping! Plot and characters too complex for you? No problem...we'll dumb it down to "Married With (Special) Children" for ya! Other than True Blood, this has become the WORST example of sci-fi/thriller/horror to hit the small screen...ever. If NBC keeps flogging this dead horse, I'll be surprised.
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Okay, when did it jump the shark? Explain that.
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Oct 21, 2008 3:57:19 PM CDT
anyone else get little ass hairs in their shit?
by dannyglovers_dickblood
It sorta hurts when it initially plops out...like plucking a unibrow....except its a chode brow. Hairy ass fucking chode.
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Nice of you to drop by, sir. Is that an allusion to you not liking the last ep?
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I cannot hate on the show-- I haven't seen a second of it. But I would break that cheerleader in two.
Good day to you Sir Winston! -
At least in my memory, I can think of some worse small screen sci-fi/thriller/horror: Flash Gordon, Painkiller Jane, SURFACE.
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Good day to you, sir. Just defending the show against pointless criticism. Which TB is getting the blood boiling today?
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None really. Its damn quiet around here.....
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I was hoping to randomly criticise CSI: NY in a popular talkback.
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in terms of ratings, but you can't accuse Chuck, or a show like Pushing Daisies to be lacking in execution, or a consistent, coherent direction, like Heroes does often. Oh, and sorry dude, you have zero chance with Kristen Bell, so stick a fork in it already. Sorry, the truth hurts.
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and a new bad ass villian, Robert Forester
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Finally somebody really got killed (and they ain't coming back)
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SPOILERS FOR MOST RECENT EPISODE! Glad Ando didn't take the dirt nap He's my favorite by far, and now that we know he can get the Hadoken in the future, its only a matter of time before he gets to bust it out for really reals. Loving Heroes so far this season and can't wait to see where they go next. Also, I saw someone hating on Zeljko Ivanek because he won the Emmy over Michael Emerson. That's silly, Emerson's role as Ben was truely great, but that doesn't mean Ivanek wasn't better in his role. I'll never understand that part of geeks who think because their favorite thing didn't win that its some great injustice. I'm betting the guy who said that didn't even see Ivanek in his role, making them doubly stupid.
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Didn't really understand that spoilers were pretty much par for the course. Forgive me. But really, there are a lot of nitpicky stuff in this talkback. Peter hugged his Dad because its his DAD. He thought the guy was dead, but now is miraculously alive. His guard is let down, he's overcome with emotion, its only natural he'd want to hug him. After all, he didn't know about his abilities. Mohinder quite obviously hates what he's becoming, he wants nothing else but to try and regain his humanity again, despite his monsterous actions. A momentary lapse in judgement is understandable. Daphne zipping in and out of the airport isn't so bad either when you consider that anyone who saw it would probably just blink once and shrug it off by thinking they'd simply imagined it not, "Hey does that girl have super speed?" Besides, people at airports are generally wrapped up in other business to pay attention to others very much, as they're coming or going somewhere, or waiting for someone. And yeah, Hiro could probably fix most everything if he really wanted to, but that's boring. You gotta suspend disbelief a bit when dealing with him, which is understandable.
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to simply the ratings of those shows who decided to pack it in after the strike started. Just wanted to clarify that. And zooch is right, the last 3 episodes have been a steady improvement.
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Alot of people got into it in the first season and were really pissed off by its ending and season two. It's still one of the most hugely popular non-reality show out there, but people are more wary of what's happening in season three than in most other shows.
Is Heroes a bad show - no. It is entertaining if you like this sort of thing. Thing is it used to be eagerly watched along side Life On Mars (British version). Now it's more on Ashes To Ashes level, if not worse. Sad when a show gets meh, but it happens to the best of them - Hustle, Bones, Scrubs, Stargate... -
The moniker "HRG" was all cool and fan-boyish when this show first debuted, and they were being very coy about Mr. Bennet's first name. It seemed strange to have him referred to as HRG in chat rooms and on boards, but fanboys will be fanboys. But when they gave him a name, that was too much. And now, the NBC voiceover guy is calling him HRG in promos. Admittedly, I'd take this more personally if I had seen any of the last three episodes, but I gave up after the first half of the season premiere.
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it is a bad lead in to heroes...im sure most people not familiar with that turd of a show stop on nbc, see chuck, then almost vomit or slash their wrists, then change the channel... the only thing chuck is consistent at is being annoyingly dumb, hopefully by the end of this season nbc will realize that only the brain dead and people too cheap to pay for porn watch chuck and cancel it.....
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Or make HEROES two hours each week and add Chuck and his hot spy bitch to the ever-expanding cast.
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Just restoring the balance. Back to the fun.
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How do ya figure? Chuck has comedic timing, coherent stories, and doesn't pretend to be anything other than a fun little show. While Heroes has confused character portrayals, lots of plots and plotholes, and pretends to be the best thing on TV (it did it's own red-carpet special for god sake). I'm sure there are things I'm missing, but I'm not completely wrong.
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I think that the low ratings can be attributed more to last year than the quality of this year's work. Its really misleading if one were to think ratings = quality.
So far I think that the show is infinately better than last year just because of pacing. You have to admit that a lot of shit happens each week now. Of course a lot of it is silly shit, and a lot of it is shit that just doesn't jive with the established plot or characters. But its moving by God.
I'm trying hard to enjoy the show and I won't piss on it too much. I'm hoping that once that they have the battle lines drawn that they have produced some of their better work to tie up this arch.
Heroes has been best when there is human charater driven conflict exploding into super human character confrontations.
It seems to me like in trying to fix the lack of compelling conflict of last season that the first several episode of this year are really trying to reset the checkerboard. They have had a few bit plots like the puppit master and the bankheist that get resolved from week to week. But most of the plot is building a groundwork for future events. Are rgey doing a good job of it? I guess if your interested in whats going to happen it would be a good sign.
Right now I'm just as inerested if they can revive the show as I am about any of the plot. Either way I'm still watching for now. -
Learn how to type, Dick.
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the only good character so far this season...
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Starbuck's boobs.
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Why have that when BSG RUTSed Heroes when it came back in season 3 with 'The Story So Far'. It would have better served the show to have a clip compilation of the best moments.
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for the current lack of interest in S3I was getting my wife caught up so we could watch S3--she loved Season 1, and could not hardly stand waiting for S2 dvds---she completely lost interest midway thru the S2 set (and I was finding it torture to rewatch them). The low quality of S2, plus the strike's interruption caused audiences to go find things that they like better.
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Arthur stole Sylar's murderous hunger from Peter now...though judging by the way he treated Kensei, he may already have it, and Sylar will be the one to kill his father and stop his evil plan. It will all be very clever, original, and ironic.
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originally. He simply spliced it into his DNA - that's why he needed the formula. That's my two cents.
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