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The last time we saw Dick Whitman he was ripping the last page out of “The Sound and the Fury.”
Tonight:
An old friend and Don renew acquaintances; Pete's personal problems impact a major account; Joan introduces her fiancé around the office.
Next Week:
Season finale. Things at Sterling Cooper don't run as smoothly while Don is away; Betty receives some upsetting news.
Titles for season two:
2.1 For Those Who Think Young
2.2 Flight One
2.3 The Benefactor
2.4 Three Sundays
2.5 The New Girl
2.6 Maidenform
2.7 The Gold Violin
2.8 A Night To Remember
2.9 Six Month Leave
2.10 The Inheritance
2.11 The Jet Set
2.12 The Mountain King
2.13 Meditations in an Emergency
10 p.m. Sunday. AMC.
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That should be interesting.
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Missed out on reading last week's talkback, so sorry if this ground has already been tread upon, but at the beginning of the season, when Don mailed Meditations in an Emergency to someone, didn't he sign it "D—-" That could be Don or Dick. You think the person he mailed that to is the same person he called at the end of the last episode?
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It's nice to see a quality show that didn't go off the rails in it's sophomore season.
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Then only about a month of "the Shield" and then a few months waiting for "Lost."
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force me to miss sunday night football.
damn it.
love this show though. -
They've made that mistake in two different issues. I'm glad it's not true. Love this fucking show. Hopefully season two of Damages will be just as strong.
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I have a feeling Jon Hamm won't seem as cool once those writers on SNL feed him those shitty lines. The sketch writing on SNL is so dreadful that I hate to see someone I dig, host the show.
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I must ask- because the people in the show, aren't saying their lines with that kind of excitement!! See what I mean??! It makes no sense to have these kind of exclamation points when your quoting from the show!!! Just saying!!
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herc confuses the hell out of me with those exclamation points sometimes. And yeah, the book reciever is the same as the phonecall. and dollars to donuts says its the chick that knew he wasn't don draper at car lot. three unsolved mysteries and the answer to all three is the same thing. tonight we get to find out what all those things mean i bet. (partial)flashback episode perhaps?
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don is sitting in the pool with joy late at night. he stares for a long time at his glass and then the camera looks at the glass. We're talking at least 7 seconds devoted to this half empty cup. Next time we see don he wakes up and immediately makes the phone call............theres something to that.
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were being used imporperly last week too!!! I know the characters on the show don't end every sentence with such unbridled enthusiasm!!! But it could be said that te exclamation points actually refer to the great feelings of anticipation the viewers(us) have when contemplating what significance those quotes have.
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Why is Lee staring at Starbuck's rack??
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I will bet you are right. She is the only person who brought up the Dick Whitman/Don Draper issue this year. Good call on that one.
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Re: Hamm on SNL. I know what you mean. They'll probably have him wear some zany wigs (a la Josh Brolin), comedy gold!
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He was floundering at work, has some gin and "wa-la," he's suddenly a corporate cutthroat genius. You could almost here the same music as when Popeye downs a can of spinach.
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Rape?
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on the TV, funny (since Hamm is in the remake).
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that is funny
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What was with Betty getting her period on the couch? Maybe it was there to remind Betty that she isnt an old woman. She was talking a lot to Sally about not being there for her someday. Maybe it was to eliminate thought that she might be pregnant again.
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I love how this show seems to reveal new layers and information in such unexpected yet clever ways. Glad to see little odds n' ends come back to the foreground, too (i.e. we now know who received the book from Don/Dick).
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Poor, poor Joan...
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What a spectacular episode. I love Peggy's, "I'm sleeping with Don. It's really working out." Priceless. I love the comfortable affability that we see between Peggy and Pete. But Poor Joan is right. Peggy is such a perfect counterpoint to her in this episode. Both are caught in the tension of the time's expectations of a woman, and where Peggy is excelling you have Joan getting just degraded. Awful. And Betty! What a delicious turn during the phone call. And as for Don, could you not just feel the change in him when he's around Anna? You see how everyday he can be and how stifled he really had become in his own home. And it also shows how good Jon Hamm is. What a show.
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but if you check like ten posts ago, i called pretty much all of that.....except for some nonsens about a cup i dk don't watch mad men high kids. oh and is BERT COOPER GONNA TAKE A HEADER OUT THE WINDOW?
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is Ari gonna take over Warner Brothers. Does this show really want to kill it self ala Bert Cooper?
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Manipulating her friend like that, locking the kid in the closet, basically she's a prettier Joan Crawford.
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Yes, I immediately liked Don a lot more once he started interacting with Anna. I wonder if his dip in the Pacific will bring about a change for the better.
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No worries; you weren't the only one who called that.Looked like Betty was signing Don's paycheck. I wonder if she'll bother doing a little financial investigating and find out where some of his money has been going...
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Some thoughts and observations...
What a wonderful friend Dick has in Anna.
I always thought that tarot readings was an artifact of the late sixties. Silly me, of course the tarot has been around for centuries. And that was some reading Anna gave.
The shots where we gaze out the draped window have a nice cinematic quality.
I recall, as a youth, the hot rod and funny car craze. (I grew up in Southern California.) The call of the Sunday, Sunday, Sunday races in Long Beach or Irwindale raceways had been buried until this evening.
Speaking of cinematic shots, the rug level shot of Don's office whilst Joan was being raped were also compelling.
Man Men is a gem! -
Hod rod and Funny cars still rock SoCal today, albeit in a slightly lesser form due to loud mouth complainers who have moved next to places like Pomona speedway. A bunch of asshats the lot of 'em.
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I loved all the insight into the Dick Whitman/Don Draper dynamic. I thought it was genious the way they used light to show the difference between LA and NYC and how much younger and more care free Don seemed. Maybe Betty might be getting back on the rails since she started to treat her daughter decently.Peggy rocks. Everbody at Sterling Cooper better watch themselves. She rounding out nicely, landing accounts, getting a premire office over every male, She's learning to operate. Man poor Joan, that's all I can say. Lost the TV gig, lost face in the office, now her fiance is a shit bird. I hope she figures a way to get back at that limp prick closet case.I need to build a new chopped and turned out car.
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That is all.
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Of course in 1963, consent wasn't even a word. This show pwns.
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someone down below?Wow, Pete was on fire!
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...that Betty has been putting up a front just like Don this whole time? We saw glimpes of her true self last season (her shooting the birds) and explained them as her being a typical repressed 1960s housewife. But, after how she's been acting while Don has been away, I'm starting to believe she acts this way, not from repression, but because this is how she really is and she's been acting a different person just like Don. Also, does Joan's fiance have erectile disfunction? Is that what they were talking about in bed? I think he just can't have a confident woman like Joan be on top, so, he forced her down.
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Betty is buying her daughters affection. It happens in divorce cases.
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The daughter caught smoking, and boldface lying about it at such an early age..and children of divorce at that age..oh yea, looking at a pair of future alcoholics/drug addicts.
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Great episode but I have to give a special shoutout to my boy Roger who had the funniest line of the season last night. Looking at the partner wit hthe mink scarf: "I'm sorry, I'm not sure whose eyes I should be looking at." LOL!! Awesome. Thoug hshe got him back with the jab about Jane being his second child. Poor JOAN.
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I'll focus on Pete. Probably his best stuff this season in this episode, and I'm sure we'll see it continued in the finale. Also, that Joan rape had so many shades of Lynch in it. Just from the ambience to the focusing on the arbitrary objects. Don will be so pleased to see Peggy excelling when he turns. It's fairly clear that Don is the main charcter. But really, it's not difficult to mildly slant your perspective and watch this as Peggy's show or Betty's show.
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The scene at the end was interesting. It almost seemed like Pete actually respected Peggy.
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I don't really get all the Pete worship here - he's a spineless, manipulating wuss. He never measured up for Daddy and now he never will. He took Peggy when she was extremely naive and vulnerable, and now circles her warily like he's waiting for her to strike back. Of course he "respects" her now - she's clearly got her hands on the power levers. Aside from being mildly interesting in context, he's a despicable character.
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Betty, OTOH, is showing herself to be an evil witch. That setup of her friend and the horse guy was one of the nastiest, coldest things I've seen outside of the grittier eps of Sopranos. She has a really twisted streak under that Barbie do. (By the way, anyone notice that Don's check - presumably monthly - was $16k?)
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BTW, anyone not familiar with the title piece should go give it a listen. It was the perfect mood-setting piece for both the ep and the season. It's a relatively simple riff that builds and builds from a basic line to a thunderous orchestral punch - a motif for something growing and spinning out of control.
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Why did Roger and Joan break up? Was there more detail between the relation of "the real" Mrs. Draper and Dick?
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Skimn, you can rent the show DVDs. I'd suggest you do, as no short summary is going to give you more than a muddled idea of what's going on. Also, both questions you ask are completely second-season issues.
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Roger had two heart attacks and the sobering reality of it I think drew him back to his wife for a bit, but it didn't last.
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I know, but I'm a cheap bastard. And I hate paying/renting DVD's for programs that are on network or basic cable..I just wondered if Don and Anna slept together. It wouldn't make sense, because of their bond, but, Don can hardly keep it in his pants for anything in a skirt (Asian waitress notwithstanding)....sooo their NOT sleeping together makes their relationship all the more special...
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You know as much about Anna as we do. We saw her in that brief flashback in the car dealership, and that's all until this ep. There are a couple of things that now make sense (who Don was sending the book to, f'rex) but otherwise the whole Anna thing was in last night's episode.
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I don't think that people think that Pete's a great guy, but a great character. And the way Kartheiser (sp) plays him, he's not a prick with a secret heart of gold, no. He's a prick, pure and simple.
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...was for $947.75. It was dated October 11, 1962. I couldn't tell if that was weekly, every two weeks or what.
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I don't think he's all that great a character, either - he's just a foil for the more genuine characters. A foil, a puppet, a whiner, a sniveler and a backstabber. I see him as a tedious necessity for dramatic purposes but no great shakes on his own merits.
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You're right, it was $947. I was looking at what must be the YTD figure. OTOH, $16k in October means something like $20k a year - which isn't all that high and isn't close to the $45k he got early in the year. (I recall my Dad making around $11-12k at the time as a GS-12.) The real money must be coming in dividends and partner shares - so Betty isn't as smart as she thinks.
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Betty getting her period has several facets with respect to the story line and show drama - plus, as my wife commented, it's something you NEVER see on television except for occasional crude humor. I can think of several reasons for that inclusion, but here's the most important: she's either not pregnant (important to close that story door after their roll on the floor)... or she's had an early miscarriage. Stay tuned.
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Oct 20, 2008 1:34:53 PM CDT
Pete's a "foil, a puppet, a whiner, a sniveler and a backstabber
by skimn
Sounds like management material to me. I wouldn't be surprised if Weiner has plans like that for Pete.
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Losing the account because of his arrogance, is going to come back to bit him in the ass.
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I don't see Pete's actions as arrogant. No, he doesn't want to adopt a child, and he's sticking with his choice in the face of some heavy guns. Only by some ooshy-smooshy "family values" standard can you call him arrogant by refusing.
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With the bleeding, the first thing i thought was “miscarriage” but she didn’t have any cramping or anything beforehand so... I really don’t get the point if it’s just her period though, unless to show she is always cool calm and collected? She is turning into a really creepy character, what she did to her riding friend had my jaw on the floor. Shooting the pigeons, her “relationship” with Glen - what’s next??
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I think our friend Betty has a hairline crack that runs real deep. I think we'll see a complete blowup/meltdown/breakdown early in the next season.
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I guess I mean arrogance, in that he reacted in a "oh yea, well fuck you then" manner, when he probably could have smoothed things over with his father-in-law just to save the account. Yes, his father-in-law was a weasel for dangling the account for "review", just because his daughter was unhappy, but I would think in the world of Sterling/Cooper the bottom line is the account, family comes second.
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Why is the guy on the Galactica box cover above staring at the blonde's tits? I mean, I'd stare too, but not on the packaging...
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Yea, maybe he can be as dignified as Josh Brolin during the "fartface" sketch..
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alot of religious/spiritual imagery going on with this episode. Love Peggys popsicle poster with the virgin mary handing out popsicles. And Dons baptism at the end. Could Bettys little accident signify the stigmata...haha....oh & poor Joan, horrible scene. This show can do no wrong.
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Good call on the Popsicle Mom. Peggy did mention the "ritual". That could be why the client thought she looked familar.
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The time is now.It's based on his performance on Alias that I say this. Eli Stone is garbage.
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He would be a natural on live TV.
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I think the character is more nuanced than some of you guys give credit for ... In fact this episode made me think that specifically; that the "good guy" Don/Dick is seriously flawed, and the "bad guy" Pete has the capacity to redeem himself or be redeemed. What's true of them both is they are messes, in general - very human messes.
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and perfectly sets up next week. Can't wait. Don will obviously come back but I hope that he's at least a little bit happier about his life when he does. Betty is cold and cruel and I could see divorce happening but not yet, it's too early and it'll have to be instigated by Don (cause Betty would never go through with it). I love how this show has two couples that just bristle with tension (of the sexual nature), Pete and Peggy & Roger and Joan. If Joan really does get married then both couples will have the attraction but be unable to act on them openly. I eventually see Peggy outgrowing Pete (which she sort of already has) while he still remains interested in her. Her deliver of the "sleeping with Don" line was incredible. Poor Joan, Hendricks deserves awards and more for this episode. Joan deserves to be her own woman which she won't let happen. I think she'll hook up with Paul (since he's single now) again and leave or kill her husband (hereafter known as Dr. Rugrape).
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She may be smarter than Don. That brilliant line at the end of the Popsicle strategy meeting, "The Catholic Church knows how to sell things." Interesting to see if she will use her growing influence and power to help Joan and other women.
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I love this show...
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The idea of raising someone else's kid is just sending him over the top.
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Not to mention pressure from his family to produce a male heir...
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I thought Pete's mom just wanted a grandchild of their blood, not necessarily a male. And SHE was the one putting pressure on him, no one else. Pete has ridiculous Mommy issues. But yeah, it wasn't a male heir, this show is in 1962, it's not the Middle Ages where rights were only passed down to males.
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