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Will Your Favorite Show Survive Past Mid-Season?? The Hollywood Reporter Has A Ratings Report Card Up!!
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“The Mentalist,” one of the season’s top-rated new shows, just got a full-season pick-up from CBS. But NBC is so iffy on its fall slate that the 4th-place network just ordered more “Medium” scripts with an eye to bringing Glenn Gordon Caron’s psychic series back before its usual midseason debut.
James Hibberd over at the Hollywood Reporter appraises the health of shows as the network execs decide which series to carry past midseason:
GONE:
Do Not Disturb (Fox)
Opportunity Knocks (ABC)
ON THE BUBBLE:
Dirty Sexy Money (ABC)
Easy Money (CW)
Everybody Hates Chris (CW)
The Ex-List (CBS)
The Game (CW)
Hole In The Wall (Fox)
In Harm’s Way (CW)
Life (NBC)
Lipstick Jungle (NBC)
Pushing Daisies (ABC)
Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles (Fox)
Valentine (CW)
MORE LIKELY TO CONTINUE BEYOND CHRISTMAS:
Eleventh Hour (CBS)
Eli Stone (ABC)
Gary Unmarried (CBS)
Kath & Kim (NBC)
Knight Rider (NBC)
Life On Mars (ABC)
My Own Worst Enemy (NBC)
Private Practice (ABC)
Privileged (CW)
Samantha Who? (ABC)
Worst Week (CBS)
All other current shows, including “Don’t Forget The Lyrics,” “Prison Break,” “Ugly Betty,” “My Name Is Earl,” “Private Practice,” “Heroes” and “Chuck,” all received full-season orders before the season began. “90210” and “Fringe,” like the "Mentalist," received full-season orders not long after their debuts.
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Herc that *here* link opens an email to mailto:Herculesaicn@yahoo.com ;p
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is it any good? the movie blew.
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it redirects to your e-mail address. for what it's worth, i actually found "my own worst enemy" to be rather entertaining, despite the mostly lukewarm reviews. glad to see it's got a good chance of returning. my girlfriend, on the other hand, will be quite disappointed if "pushing daisies" gets canceled. i liked it at first, too, but it got just a little too cute for my taste.
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...swoop in and rescue Daisies if abc cancels it?
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I assume Reaper is a mid season but it's easily as good as Chuck (different though it may be).
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Not a fan, and damn did i want to be. Kinda glad to see it might be going. The emo, consistently sad looking John Connor was just too much to deal with week after week.
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Easy Money and Valentine are already canceled. How can this writer not know that? Pushing Daisies, The Ex-List, and Life are also done.
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This is one of the BEST made shows on television! Summer Glau is perfect as the cute teenage killing machine! The writing is intelligent and the characters are likealbe! But, they need to get this show on another night where it doesn't have to compete with sports and junk. The DVR numbers are kicking ass though!
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Is not as good as the first though. They NEED more of the cameron and john relationship (I'm not talking about a sexual way though) that they had in the first season. Also, they NEED to get rid of that half naked pregant lady they keep showing in every other episode. Seeing her big belly is a turn off from the rest of the show! If they want to show a girl showing her belly, well then show the cute terminator girl cameron's hot bod!
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Daisies and Terminator live to fight the future! And here's another hoping that the rating system changes enough to unveil the reason why so many people watch CBS. It really is beyond my comprehension.
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It's too bad these shows are on the bubble. Terminator TSCC is one of the better sci-fi shows to come along in a while (way better than season two and the current season of Heroes) and there's nothing like Pushing Daisies with its wonderful characters.
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Oct. 16, 2008, 5:38 p.m. CST
IF THEY CANCEL TERMINATOR...THEY SHOULD MAKE DIRECT TO DVD FILMS
by Earthquake WestCoast
If they have to cancel it, then make direct to DVD movies (rated pg-13 or "R" for the summer glau scenes). There's enough of a fanbase that would eat up these made for dvd films. After all, the first season dvd set is a big seller right now.
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Oct. 16, 2008, 5:41 p.m. CST
You know NBC wishes they hadn't order a full season on Chuck
by lotusblade
That shows numbers are worse than Terminator but better than Pushing Daisies (which is the worst rated show from the 4 major networks on the bubble list).
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Oct. 16, 2008, 5:42 p.m. CST
Yes, I too hope Terminator: TSCC survives!
by The Gospel According to Bastardface
It's a great action show.
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is not doing great in the ratings but at the same time they are still casting for future episodes. as for this week off, they showed 9 episodes last season from oct 1 to december so having a week off isnt anything new for any show when you usually air 22 episodes for a 39 week period. i think pushing will get its 13 in and it might get a 22 but i also wouldnt be surprised if it got a 22 to wrap up the storyline and not brought back next year.
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They don't take into account the high DVR NUMBERS and the high ONLINE VIEWINGS and ITUNES numbers the show is getting. The idea of shows are to get lots of people to watch, well lots are watching, just not at that very moment. The NEILSEN RATINGS and the way companies rate their shows need to adapt to this new century, otherwise they will suffer in the long run.
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Are not canceled. they've stopped production. will they be canceled? almost certainly, but not accurate to call them that yet.
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Seriously? Terminator is in trouble, but Knight Rider is likely to survive? WHAT THE CRAP?
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it's very good<p> But that Scottish broad poisons every scene she's in
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I like looking at Lucy Liu.
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Sure some of those shows just had production stopped (I mean really when has that ever not resulted in cancellation) and others are being put on hiatus (future episodes in November/December have been pulled from their proposed air dates) and some shows on hiatus have returned on new nights and done well. Most however never return or do just to air the episodes that were filmed, and many times not ever that happens. <p> It's pretty much HollyWood law if you drop under 2.5 on the 18-49 demo and can't cover that with a better C3 rating you're screwed. No show that I know of on a major network has ever survived dropping below a 2.0. Many of the shows on the list are on the 2.5 cusp or below. One is even below the 2.0 number.
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The women are hot<br> the writing, acting and directing are hideous.<p> Someone explain to me, why that when there is a situation, that they start spinning KITTs turntable so that it's a hazard while people are trying to reach their action stations. You know, KITTs out in the field, so they rev up the turntable he recieves maintaince on...
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Only problem with your theory is that Daisies is the worst rated show of the bubble list (from a major network).
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What. Else. Matters?
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I think the show runners at Knight Rider are brilliant. I haven't seen an episode yet, but I have seen stills of their hot women in bikinis from the last few episodes. The women on that show are HOT. Hot women can keep a bad show going slightly longer than it should. At some point that will wear off, if the show doesn't come up with good writing or something by then, then it's screwed. I think that is why Knight Rider only had 4 shows added vs a full season ordered. They know it's riding the gimmick of being a redo of an 80s show and hot chicks. They have no idea when that will run out. <p> Take their hot chicks and replace the two female leads on Pushing Daisies and you'd have a hit.
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Save LIFE send a fruit, a real one not hollywood velvet mafia, to save the show. <p> LIFE gets better with each episode. Donal Logue is an excellent addition. <p> How the fuck does Life on Mars or Worst Week get to live while LIFE tanks?
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I haven't seen Life but i would wager that like Crusoe willl soon find out and everybody knows friday night is a death night. i just do not see how networks can expect a show to do well with 18-34 yr olds on a friday night
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"I think the show runners at Knight Rider are brilliant. I haven't seen an episode yet, but I have seen stills of their hot women in bikinis from the last few episodes. The women on that show are HOT. Hot women can keep a bad show going slightly longer than it should." <p> Funny how both shows have ties with hasslehoff and share the same idea. <p> Bring back Son of the Beach or Late Night with Dick Dietrich. Both were diamonds compared to todays fare.
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I never followed Chuck's 1st season, I caught a few episodes, but I understood the premise of the series. The 2nd season has shown tremendous improvements, plus the hot chick somehow got even hotter this season. And it's a lot funnier too. It's Chuck and House right now for me. Never really managed to catch any of the new shows.
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And acted. <p> It has a long running plot and various threads. It has the right mix of humor and tension. <p> Season one was a real stunner. Season two is a bit funnier, but still maintains an edge.
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that show is pretty dreadful. i watched the entire first season, which was mediocre at best, and gave up on it entirely two episodes into the new season. it's just way too serious for its own good (then again, so is "24"), and is just not very exciting at all. and for the record, lena headey is much hotter than summer glau.
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really hit a stride in the middle of season 1 starting with the episode that rachel bilson first appeared in. Every since then they just been doing good episode after episode and is one of the funnest shows on tv to watch.
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i am not a fan of 24 but it is gonna be real interesting to see how it does when it comes back. every show that didnt air new episodes after the strike has been hit hard in the ratings. It will be over a year since 24 has been shown; i wonder how big of a drop will 24 have?
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It would be a real goddamn shame if Life were cancelled now, especially since it only got a half-season last year due to the strike. Easily the best cop drama on television - or at least on a major network.
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Just because you think it's dreadful doesn't mean everyone else does. I quite enjoy it and hope it gets at least one more season after this. At least it's not another fucking reality show or doctor drama.
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Life is by far the best show to come along in a long time and even better since Donal Logue (sp) joined the show... NBC don't cancel the show that EVERYONE I know is watching!
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Oct. 16, 2008, 6:52 p.m. CST
Fox should do Terminator as a Fall Season 12-ep series only
by TallBoy66
No, really, kind of like how they do 24 in Winter/Spring, but Terminator gets less episodes because they have baseball playoffs in October. I'm down with less episodes - just have it on Mondays from Sept-Dec. and then 24 on Mondays from Jan to May. I'd be cool with that. But, even if they do can it, it'd only be a two-season DVD series set, that'll be less expensive due to the lack of episodes. Just think of it as the longest "Terminator" movie ever.
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From what I understand, it's going to be Dollhouse/24 on Mondays, so that leaves House - Prison Break - Fringe that'll still be on the sked... which'll cut into Fox's hours of reality programing, along with American Idol which is on 3 days a week practically... and what if Terminator comes back too? Things are getting crowded at Fox TV (at least the TV station seems to have more success that it's film division.)
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Venture Bros. got renewed for a fourth season. Thus, everything is going to be all right.
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you know that is a good way to look at a show getting cancalled except for one thing which you might agree with. I love pushing daisies but chances are it will get cancalled and you kno fine it happens and i'll get the dvd but i'm sure like most people the idea of a non-ending is horrible. I wouldnt mind daisies being canceled if they at least were able to get a few more episodes to give it is fairy tale ending. the same would be for terminator. i do not watch it but wouldnt it suck to watch a show that just stops with no narrative finish.
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This show did pretty well last year. What happened? The quality hasn't dropped. It's still one of the most creative shows that I've ever seen on the small screen. This show must LIVE!
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is in a weird situation. I remember reading how Fox wanted to cut down on the order from 22 to 16 episodes. Probably in order to fir dollhouse onto its schedules. But, the production company told FOX that they ordered 22 and thas what they are getting.
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Judgement Day happens, John Connor becomes the leader of the human resistance, they defeat skynet and send the Terminators back through time. Yes, I know kinda weak in the reality of the TV series they're building (which the show would probably end up with them stopping Judgement Day), but if it just flat-out ends then, well, you can already kind of figure out what happens. As for Pushing Daisies...yeah, that would kind of suck.
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yeah i know the general terminator storyline as a fan of the movies even the third one. BUt, you like the show and you have attachment to characters that are just in the show universe and wouldnt that just suck to have no resolution for any of them.
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whats gonna happen to Bones?
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you know i also wonder what the hell is ABC going to do with Scrubs. It is a show that is changing channels and no matter what they say is only going to really air for one season. I just don't see where they plan to put Scrubs and expect it to have any good rating.
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The Sons of Anarchy is high entertainment. Miss it at your own peril.
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Oct. 16, 2008, 7:24 p.m. CST
Life is fun but I won't really miss it but Sarah Shahi is hot!
by BackRiverCatfish
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Really, I haven't.
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Oct. 16, 2008, 7:25 p.m. CST
and Prison Break has been really fun and much better than last s
by BackRiverCatfish
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I can see why it's down in the ratings. It's a tad quirky for some people but I can't stop myself from smiling when I watch it. Much better than I expected. Shred Private Practice instead.
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I am sitting here with my mouth agape. Knight Rider is OK but Life is on the bubble. My God. If this is the case, and Life gets canceled, I am done with TV. Really. Journeyman, Firefly, Arrested Development, and now Life? Really?
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I guess he would have to be. Remember he knows he has to save the world and does not know how to do it. He is not Spider-man who cracks jokes as he gets his ass handed to him in the comics (forget movie).
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I don't watch TV. It's all a waste of time!
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So a lot of my fave shows are fine - Fringe & Chuck especially, but jesus christ, KNIGHT RIDER? I mean, I like it an' all but it's basically the worst parts of Transformers and Baywatch stuck together. There's no way KR deserves to survive when Daisies and Terminator don't (Ok, TSCC S2 has gotten off to a damn slow/boring start, but hopefully it'll pick up soon)
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... and I can easily see it becoming great. It continually exceeded my (initially low) expectations in the first season, and it's still got a lot of potential. There's really nothing wrong with it as long as it keeps going somewhere. It'd be a shame if it got cancelled.
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Pushing Daisies has to survive...it's just too good and too much care is put into the production for it to get the axe.
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It's a great t.v. series! Way better than reality (dumb down our country so we're ripe for invasion) t.v. shows like "dancing with hasbeen stars" or "American gay idols"! But, the 2nd season of TSCC has been weak because of the half naked, whiney pregnant lady they keep pushing in our faces. Show more Cameron in her short miniskirts or goth-like outfits! :)
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According to FOX VP. http://www.tvweek.com/news/2008/10/lackluster_start_to_season.php (remove the gaps in the link).
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Choose Life! Please don't cancel that one. The season 2 opener was brilliant not in small part due to the excellent Damian Lewis. The other bubble shows I watch are Terminator: SCC and Pushing Daisies and of course Chuck. I don't want anyone of them cancelled but I can live with a real closure for Daisies. But I guess the networks are not at all interested in how many watches the shows as the commercials in between and you really don't on DVR.
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The good episodes of Season 2, in my eyes, were 1,4 & 5. 1 because evil Cameron & her speech to John, 4 because it had Cameron's history and Summer Glau vs. Summer Glau and 5 if only because the ending where we found out what happened to the military camp guy in the future war was really affecting - and the Terminator for that episode was pretty old-school phonebook methodical. Episode 2 & 3 were the only clunkers this season.
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Save Daisies. I swear to Lucifer. If that show gets canned, I will lose my shit. I can't have another meltdown like I did when Arrested was canceled. I'm still recovering from that. Oh Michael Blueth. I miss you so.
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I'm really rooting for Pushing Daisies. While it's sometimes a little too, I don't know... adorable?, it's a pretty enjoyable show.
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FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKERFUCKINGFUCKFUCKSTUPIDFUCKASSFUCKWADFUCKERS!!!!!
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...when Knight Rider does well in the ratings.
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if they all get terminated.
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There is no God.
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How in the hell does a show like Worst Week survive? I like Curb Your Enthusiasm because of its wit and originality...this slapstick knock off version of the show makes me cringe. Cavemen was a better show than this.
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They're both decent series, hopefully they'll find an audience.
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And this is coming from someone who loved season one. It was fun when they were referencing Cameron and doing their own shit. Now they're just doing their own shit and that's exactly what it is.
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Are you one of those whiny Sarah Connor Society bitches? American Gay Idol? How smart. The fate of America does not depend on a shitty TV show.
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The entire network. Well....except Supernatural. <p> UPN and the WB separately were better than the CW.
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Also the fate of America DOES NOT depend on a t.v. show. Whoever thinks that is an idiot. But, reality t.v. shows DOES DUMB DOWN Americans. And most guys that watch American Idol ARE GAY! That's a chick's show!
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I really hope it gets to continue, i only because Krause deserves it.
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It's had problems, especially the first 4 episodes or so of season 1, but it's stride is coming along. I enjoy it. Stories have become stronger and, bottom line, I like seeing Terminators back in action.
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Oct. 17, 2008, 12:22 a.m. CST
Fox will probably stick with Sarah Connor for now...
by Prof. Pop-Cult
Why? From what I've read, FOX doesn't have to pay for the show's production -- it's independently produced by the producers of the Terminator movie series with backing by Warner Bros. The FOX network merely pays a licensing fee to broadcast it. To their bottom line, airing Sarah Connor may cost them less than airing a reality show. The series appears to have been created for the purposes of selling it in the international TV market, and, of course, to keep the Terminator brand in the public's awareness throughout the releases of the next three Terminator movies.
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I could hardly bear it if another show I love gets canned before coming to a proper resolution. I'm ok with only 2 seasons of the show as long as they wrap everything up in 22 eps. Also, T:SCC somehow doesn't suck, and I look forward to it each week as well.
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You must have known, deep in your soul, that Terminator would never survive on that shit infested channel.
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I haven't found this season so far to be as good as last season. I think it's because Charlie isn't as quirky as he was and Sarah's character is not getting as much attention it seems. It's all gone to Donal Louge. Not really a fan of his anyway. Also I think it being on the bubble has more to do with them showing it twice a week up until this week. Unless you Tivo it I'm sure most people weren't keeping up.
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need to more closely mimic the cable model. Cheaper, shorter runs that they can show all the way through, regardless of ratings, so viewers won't be left hanging. I can accept it if they can't make the numbers work, but at least give us some resolution and allow the storytellers their time.
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but Knight Rider is likely to survive?<p> in the immortal words of Senator Clay Davis, sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet.
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with this nearly cancelled, what will i watch while i beat my wife?
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Are you fucking kidding me? If you need any further indictment of the viewing habits of the American people that really should do it. Fucking mouth breathers.
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Knight Ryder=Knight Rider Weird typo I know, but my brother's name is Ryder so it's a tough slip to remember.
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I'm amazed at how blah both Heroes and Chuck have become. Perhaps US tv needs to take a page from UK TV some stories are finite and cvan't keep going on and on (a thought that occured to me that I dismissed during Heroes' first season)
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and F the networks. only 2 shows i watch on network TV, PD & Reaper. Reaper is mid-season replacement and PD is struggling in the ratings. <P> guess i can stop watching network tv again after this season. <P> enjoy your reality tv crapfest.
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They showed that The Office gained an additional 4.8 million viewers last week after the time shifting DVR viewers were counted. The same thing with most shows on this list. Grey's Anatomy has "dropped" this season to 15 million viewers, but after DVR was counted for the week it showed 4.7 million viewers watched. So technically it didn't fall off so much with the DVR counted. Terminator has been seeing slow ratings gains week to week, and it's DVR numbers are healthy (around 2.5 million) but the biggest negative going for it is the production costs. The cost of producing the show is high for a show with ratings this low. If anything, Fox should start running the show in January after Idol and only for about 16 episodes a season. That way you save money and give the show a better lead in. Now it has to contend with the growing "Gossip Girl", CBS Monday comedies, and "Dancing With The Stars". And with the bad economy and a predicted scatter market that will not be good for networks, a lot of shows will be doomed.
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You are right about DSM. One of the few shows that I look forward to watching each week. I would hate to see it go.
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What does NBC expect when they move a show to FRIDAY @ 10PM!!!? They should have kept it on Monday @10 after Heroes and started that shitty My Own Worst Enemy on Friday. Life is such a great show, just because of all the weird shit that goes on in it. And Shahi IS hot too...
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movie. It would do well with a big budget and wide screen. There's a lot of talent behind the show but I can understand it "not working" on network TV.
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but this season has been pretty rough. They should tie up all the loose ends, give us a big happy ending, and not try for season 5.
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Oct. 17, 2008, 11:21 a.m. CST
Raymar, Prison Break has been much better this season....
by BackRiverCatfish
last season was really brutal. I do agree they should wrap everything this season.
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Oct. 17, 2008, 11:45 a.m. CST
So with all the bubble shows-does this mean we'll get CSI: Barst
by j2talk
or the EAGERLY awaited remakes of Hawaii Five-O and Streets of San Fransico ???? I ask only a little sarcastically.....
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There is no C7, there is a C3 which is what advertisers use for rating TV shows. C3 is more than DVR, it tracks if commercials are watched. Numbers are actually LESS than normal ratings from Nielsen. Because Nielsen shows how people switch channels. Take Pushing Daisies for instance. It has a 1.9/6 rating for the demo that advertisers pay for (strictly 18-49). That means 1.9% of all house holds watch the episode, while 6% watch part of it. Those 4.1% extra are usually skipping commercials of the real show they're watching. <p> Some shows do WORSE on the C3 list than on the old Nielsen list. For instance on the old Nielsen ratings "The Mentalist," is the best new show on TV. On the C3 list the best new show on TV is "Fringe." "Fringe," is kind of proving that less commercials means more people watch them (especially a demographic that usually skips). <p> I don't know of one show that has more viewers on the C3 ratings than on the Nielsen Ratings.
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I can't post a link to the pay site that lists all the current C+3 data, Live+7, etc. I did find a link though: http://tinyurl.com/5dp5t8 It mentions how no show has a higher viewership on the C+3 List (the list advertisers now use to base what they will pay a show) than on the Live +SD (Same Day) list. Live+7 does have higher numbers. This is not C+7 (which doesn't exist). It is believed in the industry that if there was a C+7 it would likely match the Live+SD at best. <p> Again the problem is that people with a DVR SKIP past commercials. So it makes the Live+7 rather pointless.
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Here's what I dislike: Some of these shows have only been on three times this season. How do you make a decision, especially on a show that clearly has to develop a following like PD or Life, based on three airings? When did network programming execs become such ADD chickenshits anyway?
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...seriously, "Pushing..." is one of the best shows on TV while if anyone can sit through two consecutive episodes of "Life..." they should get an endurance metal.
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America apparently doesn't like Bryan Fuller much. Both "Wonderfalls" and "Dead Like Me" were excellent and under appreciated shows, and they too were not given the time to blossom. America as a whole doesn't like "quirky"; hell, they don't really even like "creative." Sigh... I mourn for my retarded countrymen...
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Joining the "HTF is Knight Rider gonna survive over some of these?!" bandwagon.
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It makes sense that it's likely to be picked up by NBC. There is no accounting for taste in this country. "According to Jim" is still on, as is "Two-and-a-Half Men," FYI.
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which ought to help keep it alive
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thanks for the link. That's encouraging news about TSCC. Why is it no one factors in Monday Night Football except us? OF COURSE it's doing well with DVRs!!
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was a bit too sugar coated for my taste. I remember liking the pilot but I watched this season's premier and barfed a little.
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To Showtime's credit they did try and bring the show back but Fuller wasn't interested. Which lead to Stephen and the others deciding to do a direct to video movie. They've shot the direct to video movie and now Showtime has shown some interest in it. <p>
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DO IT DAMMIT. DO IT. Come on. Fuller already has ties with the network, albeit sour ones. But imagine: Weeds, Californication, Dexter and Pushing Daisies? We have a roster HBO wish they had.
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There's your answer right there for a full season worth of episodes. And you'll have the market cornered on summer TeeVee. You know it to be true! I'm fine with the show not airing the entire year, just keep it on the sked. I hope Prof. Pop-Cult was right about the money situation, cause that would be in the show's favour. I really don't care where it airs, I just want it to keep going at the production level it stands.
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I was really scared a show like that would get shit canned too fast in America.
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That would be the headlines if Fuller was stupid enough to even talk to Showtime. We're talking the same Fuller who left Showtime in the middle of the first season of "Dead Like Me," and was told he could never work with them again. When they offered him an Olive Branch to return to thew show for a 2nd series (not 2nd season) he told them to fuck off. So Showtime now has a "no Fuller," policy.
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cuz people are just stupid...heroes needs to hire him back
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...watching Max Payne. I know, right? Max Payne? What the fuck? Anyway, I was so tempted to ask him if Daisies was getting canceled, but he was talking to his friends and I didn't want to look like the obtrusive asshole fan. FUCK.
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