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'We Follow All Ten!!' Herc’s Seen The Religulous PUSHING DAISIES 2.3!!

Published at:  Oct 15, 2008 1:23:09 PM CDT

SPOILER ALERT !!

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Pushing Daisies 2.3 FAQ

What’s it called?
“Bad Habits.”

Who’s responsible?
Teleplay is credited to Gretchen J. Berg & Aaron Harberts (“Wonderfalls,” “Women’s Murder Club”).

What says ABC?
“Chuck, Emerson and Ned go undercover as a Catholic nun and priests and pass themselves off as investigators from the Vatican to help Olive prove that her best pal at the nunnery (Mo Collins as Sister Larue) didn't kill herself, but was actually murdered.

“Guest starring in "Bad Habits" are Field Cate as Young Ned, Samantha Bailey as Young Olive, Diana Scarwid as the Mother Superior, Michael Hitchcock as Father Ed, Mary K. Devault as Sister Mary Christina, Mo Collins as Sister Larue, Graham McTavish as Hansel Von Getz, Diana Costa as Mother Snook and Marc Raducci as Father Snook.”

Father and Mother Snook: parents, clergy or both?
Parents.

The big news?
We get to see what Chuck looks like as a blonde.

What else is ABC not telling us?
Chuck decides this week to learn more about her roots.

Does Ned’s dad return?
Referenced but unglimpsed.

What about Emerson’s daughter?
Ditto.

What’s great?
Chenoweth generally and “You’re killing me!” in particular. The size of Olive’s pickaxe. The corpse entrance. Emerson’s disobedience. “I knew this afterlife stuff was bullshit!” “We follow all ten!” “Top-shelf fem care!” “I’m busy.” “That’s not even good gibberish!” “We’re motorin’.” Olive’s finger over Lily’s eye. Pigby’s hooves.

What’s not so great?
Anna Friel looks so good as a blonde I was disappointed when her new look turned out to be a wig.

How does it end, spoiler-boy?
“I thought you might want to fill it in.”

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    Readers Talkback

  • Oct 15, 2008 1:18:46 PM CDT

    Prelude

    by tar heel

    Dead nuns. Great warmup for the last presidential debate tonight.

    Reply to Talkback

  • Oct 15, 2008 1:19:07 PM CDT

    Most adorable show on TV

    by scrivener

    I love Pushing Daisies. <3

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  • Oct 15, 2008 1:24:31 PM CDT

    Where. The. Hell. Is. The. FRINGE. TB?

    by hobocode

  • Oct 15, 2008 1:27:42 PM CDT

    Amazing Episode

    by jrlamps

    Was on some random ass channel in Canada last night. My favorite of the season so far and one of the best of the series.

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  • Oct 15, 2008 1:58:30 PM CDT

    A great show destined for...

    by ninja nerd

    ...an early trip to the scrapheap by ABC. Count on it. I love this show, but it's certainly not for everybody. It's a little too intelligent for most of the ADD-afflicted idiots out there. AND YES HERC....WHERE IS THE FRINGE TB??? It's not the Second Coming of The X-Files, but it has some potential to be a good show.

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  • Oct 15, 2008 2:05:36 PM CDT

    Gives me the warm fuzzies

    by drewlicious

    I actually went "Awwwww" once....and hoped that no one actually heard me or saw me.

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  • Oct 15, 2008 2:31:53 PM CDT

    FRINGE sucks. PUSHING DAISIES is glorious.

    by stereotypical evil archer

  • Oct 15, 2008 2:34:02 PM CDT

    DAISIES is the best show on the tele after...

    by stereotypical evil archer

    Californication and Sons of Anarchy.
    The Office and Always Sunny are good to. Metalocalypse for honorable mention.

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  • Oct 15, 2008 2:39:53 PM CDT

    Great Genre Television

    by regenhund

    Daisies, and Fringe both rock in their own ways, but thank God we don't rely on AICN for the best shows life or death, otherwise we'd have no Supernatural. How bout it Herc? well? WELL?!

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  • Oct 15, 2008 2:40:34 PM CDT

    fringe posts:

    by hercules

    http://www.aintitcool.com/section/term/21208

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  • Oct 15, 2008 2:53:21 PM CDT

    Best night of television ever.

    by billypilgrimisunstuck

    McCain v. Obama Numero Tres! Daisies! Whoo! Come on people! Watch this shiz! It needs ratings! I doubt it will get cancelled this season. 13 episodes already in, and Lee Pace said in an interview that ABC has large support for the show, and are willing to stick with it. I see another season, at least, but it wont go past season three without viewers. COME ON

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  • Oct 15, 2008 3:39:39 PM CDT

    billypilgrimisunstuck

    by erichaislar

    If they do get one more season after this and it looks like they will get cancelled i hope they let them finish the story. I will die a little inside if i do not find out how Chuck and Neds story ends.

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  • Oct 15, 2008 3:49:20 PM CDT

    i hope they expand the scope of the show

    by lex romero

    i love it and all, but i think the "murder mystery" each week could get a bit stale. I'd love for them to expand on the show, does anyone else have powers like the piemaker? Did he get them randomly? What if it became public knowledge that he can bring people back from the dead? etc

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  • Oct 15, 2008 3:49:27 PM CDT

    Blond Chuck... Yesssss, my precious.

    by stereotypical evil archer

  • Oct 15, 2008 4:56:41 PM CDT

    Californication

    by frozen01

    ... is a soap opera for guys. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

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  • Oct 15, 2008 5:13:07 PM CDT

    Daisies

    by nudeandaroused

    Is really well written. The dialogue is snappy and, at times, very deep. Chi McBride is excellent. This is one of my favorite shows.

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  • Oct 15, 2008 5:34:55 PM CDT

    Save this Show

    by larry of arabia

    Like Arrested Development and Firefly before it, the show is too quirky and original for network TV. Please get your friends to give it a try. They may outright hate it's unique style and tone, but those who can tune in to it's wavelength will make it appointment TV.

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  • Oct 15, 2008 7:48:04 PM CDT

    a littler weaker ep, but still great

    by br1947

    I'm still laughing from last week's clown car wreck

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  • Oct 15, 2008 8:01:50 PM CDT

    No, not weak

    by larry of arabia

    Different. Serious in tone. Sad and kinda beautiful. I'm in love with everybody in the show in a genuine way. I can't be an impartial observer any more.

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  • Oct 15, 2008 8:14:26 PM CDT

    More character development = NOT weak

    by flickchick85

    Yeah, this ep has less funny than most, but it had some genuine (non-cutesy) emotional moments. The characters are actually moving forward, which frankly, this show needed. So while not the funniest episode ever, it was still very good, and very important. I just hope they haven't brought in this emotional through-line too late to build viewership again.

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  • Oct 15, 2008 10:10:10 PM CDT

    We're motorin'. BWAHAHAHAHA!

    by err

    More Night Ranger references please.

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  • Oct 15, 2008 11:51:53 PM CDT

    re: Herc's "fringe posts:" link

    by amy chasing

    That'll shuttem up.

    bwahahahahahaha!

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  • Oct 16, 2008 12:14:24 AM CDT

    HURRAH!

    by billypilgrimisunstuck

    Greay eppy. Progressed the character development. Loved it. WATCH IT PEOPLE! Go get season 1 on BLURAY. It's amazing. Like watching people interact through an open window.

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  • Oct 16, 2008 1:04:11 AM CDT

    Slowish episode, and what about Eli?

    by gislef_crow

    I've found the whole nunnery thing to be somewhat of a waste: it just doesn't seem to make sense Olive going there. So at least we're out of there for good, hopefully. Tonight's just demonstrated it's better to have Olive involved in the investigations. The trio are so... laid back, she brings a little frenetic energy to the whole thing. And hurrmm, no TB for Eli Stone? Maybe it's a bit too religious, but last night's bit with Sigourney Weaver as... God(dess)? Pretty good. We got an Alias in-joke. And that show keeps moving forward. Most shows would spend 3+ years with "Everyone thinks Eli is a nutjob and/or he hides his vision." With the 2nd season, they actually seem to be looking at how a modern-day prophet known to the public would be thought of.

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  • Oct 16, 2008 2:13:27 AM CDT

    Cancelled!

    by lotusblade

    The producers of the show just got the notice they will not be getting money for anymore episodes. This news should be public shortly.

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  • Oct 16, 2008 2:36:46 AM CDT

    LIES

    by billypilgrimisunstuck

    that's a bold faced lie!

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  • Oct 16, 2008 3:44:46 AM CDT

    I sure hope this show continues...

    by imagikafan

    because I really enjoy it. And yes, Season 1 of PD on Blu-ray looks and sounds amazing. :)

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  • Oct 16, 2008 5:12:31 AM CDT

    Too good for network TV

    by the mcpoyle clan

    But I'll enjoy it until it gets replaced by According to Jim reruns.

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  • Oct 16, 2008 5:31:30 AM CDT

    i'm loving this show

    by palewook

    only show on network tv that has me. and hasn't let me down yet.

    hope fuller gets to keep making PD for years to come.

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  • Oct 16, 2008 6:29:30 AM CDT

    Hey, less exposition this time!

    by drath

    I was grateful for the lessening of the expository interludes. It was nice to see the characters' faces in the moment rather than flashing back constantly to action we saw in previous episodes. Also, Mother Mary Mary was great, hope she comes back. Also, lotusblade, please get help.

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  • Oct 16, 2008 10:25:07 AM CDT

    The Fringe is garbage

    by scrivener

    I had high hopes for the show, but after three sleep-inducing episodes, I couldn't stand it any more. It's absolute trash. I've said it a million times and I'll say it again, Pushing Daisies is EASILY one of the two best shows on TV... the other being Battlestar Galactica. House is also fantastic, but it's got nothing on Pushing Daisies.

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  • Oct 16, 2008 11:11:25 AM CDT

    Show is Cancelled People

    by lotusblade

    Ratings were abysmal for the season premiere and have only been worse. It has finished 4th in its time slot, and 10th overall for the night. It's only getting worse. It's also expensive.

    I know people from the Production, they were specifically told they had to do well last night, and the show tanked again in Ratings. It's over. Gone.

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  • Oct 16, 2008 11:26:49 AM CDT

    This is depressing. I'll cherish these last episodes.

    by lovecraftfan

  • Oct 16, 2008 11:41:02 AM CDT

    its not cancelled

    by palewook

    http://tinyurl.com/4eau2p

    only person saying that is the same talkback troll posting him anonymous friend of friend of something he once knew rumor.

    in short, ignore the TBT until there is a press release stating otherwise.

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  • Oct 16, 2008 12:27:39 PM CDT

    palewook, it's cancelled

    by lotusblade

    Your link shows it got a worse rating than the previous week. All numbers were up for people waiting for the debate. It still finished 4th in its time slot and finished 10th for the night. That is 10 out of 12. Only CW shows did worse.

    Let me repeat despite more viewers it did WORSE, getting a 1.9/6 compared to last week's 2.0/6. Also in the incredibly important 18-34 it has dropped to a 1.7/6 which means cancellation. No show can survive numbers that bad.

    In addition in the most important 18-49 category it LOST viewers. This means old people wanting to watch the debate turned on their TV early. About 1M of them from the looks of the numbers.

    The Press Release will be coming, right now they're fighting for the show. Which is being reported by news services now (that they're fighting to keep it on). Heck, the site you linked to has an article saying "Pushing Daisies Most Likely To Be Cancelled." Yet I'm a troll?


    Shows that nobody watches don't stay on the air. Finishing 10th on Wednesdays isn't good enough. Knight Rider and Bones are killing this show.

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  • Oct 16, 2008 12:40:07 PM CDT

    I hope they fight for it

    by buffywrestling

    beacause this show is worth fighting for. Nothing else like it on TV and I've stopped watching Bones this year because of it. I adored last night's episode. There was just so much great character progression. And it wasn't an anvil to your head about it - just small steps like Olive standing up for herself, Ted's mannerisms in the dinner scene and how far Chuck's guilt and depression actually goes.

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  • Oct 16, 2008 12:52:26 PM CDT

    This is being beat by Knight Rider?

    by skimn

    Playoff baseball I can see, but Knight Rider? The American viewing public deserves the bad TV of dancing, singing "reality" shows and multiple CSI's it gets.

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  • Oct 16, 2008 1:00:00 PM CDT

    Screw Knight Rider, Old Christine is Beating Daisy!

    by lotusblade

    It's sad when "The Old Adventures of New Christine," is kicking your ass. "Pushing Daisies," got lucky that it was up against Baseball, because Bones was kicking its ass too.

    Bones, Baseball, Old Christine, and Knight Rider are beating Pushing Daisies in its time slot. The numbers are bad. The official word is that the show is going "on hiatus," after next week's episode.

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  • Oct 16, 2008 1:04:50 PM CDT

    Why are people watching Knight Rider

    by lovecraftfan

    Seriously that show is awful.

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  • Oct 16, 2008 1:08:50 PM CDT

    Pushing Daisies gained ~740,000 viewers last night

    by palewook

    lotus feel free to troll away. but you're doing little more than rambling your opinion. i'll stick with the math and the official press releases.

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  • Oct 16, 2008 1:09:48 PM CDT

    Staying on the air

    by gislef_crow

    The show was going on hiatus in a few weeks anyway because of the Country Awards and... something else. So there was going to be a two-week hiatus no matter what: that's been in the works since before the season premiere. Anyhoo, I'm not sure I buy the fact the show wasn't promoted a lot (ABC seemed filled with ads for it, compared to... oh, say, Eli Stone). IMO the mistake as several of the reviewers at the link above noted was that they started off with the nunnery thing, and Olive being separated from the rest of the group. Splitting up your cast: not a good way to start off a show already likely to be hurting in the ratings. And she's one of the two stronger performers on the show anyway (McBride being the other). I also have to admit I don't find the Aunts that appealing: if they're part of the mystery, okay. But Vivian's "oh whoa is me" and Lily's sometimes bizarre scheming suggests they could go out and come back in as Special Guest Stars. Rather than be part of the regular cast with an obligation to use them whenever possible.

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  • Oct 16, 2008 1:14:44 PM CDT

    Tuesday slot?

    by gislef_crow

    Once Dancing with the Stars goes off the air, put PD in the 9/8 central slot. That puts it up against Fringe, but pairs it off with Eli Stone. I think the Bones competition is what's hurting PD right now: Bones was strong enough for them to split it off from House and make it part of Fox's Wednesday night strength. Against Fringe, PD would have a chance: against Bones, nuh-uh.

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  • Oct 16, 2008 1:18:45 PM CDT

    Pushing Daisies Drops in Ratings!

    by lotusblade

    Palewook, that is a FACT, not an opinion. It dropped to a 1.7/6 in the most important demo, and thus is getting canceled. No show can survive that number, it is BAD.

    TV By The Numbers the site you quoted just reported the news last night was "Bad News for Pushing Daisies," the 740,000 new people doesn't matter when other shows went up by 1M viewers in your timeslot, and the 18-49 Demo FELL and the 18-34 Demo FELL.

    Also the OFFICIAL press release states "Pushing Daisies going on hiatus." There is currently no schedule for a return.

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  • Oct 16, 2008 1:27:41 PM CDT

    Tuesday would be worse for Pushing Daisies

    by lotusblade

    The problem Gislef is the 9/8 central slot is dominated by The Mentalist right now. Fringe is 2nd behind The Mentalist. Eli Stone btw has much better numbers than Pushing Daisies.

    Pushing Daisies is getting rocked by Old Christine, Knight Rider, and Bones. How do you think the show would do against The Mentalist, Fringe, and Biggest Loser? Tuesday Night is not the answer. The only night that PD's numbers would be acceptable is if they were Friday or Saturday numbers. Perhaps after the "hiatus," the show will be moved to Friday?

    I just don't see any reason why Disney would want to keep paying for it. The numbers are beyond bad. No show with worse numbers survived cancellation last season. In fact many shows that were canceled had much better numbers. Jericho and Moonlight had better numbers. Does that enlighten people any?

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  • Oct 16, 2008 2:32:02 PM CDT

    Hiatus

    by gislef_crow

    Where's the official press release? But there was a hiatus scheduled after the 10/29 episode anyway. *shrug* As for nights to show, there's almost never a night to bury a "weak" show. Cripes, what does ABC even show on Fridays?

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  • Oct 16, 2008 2:43:21 PM CDT

    On the note of being cancelled

    by billypilgrimisunstuck

    ABC isn't FOX. Let's remember that. First, the fact is more people were watching television last night due to the Presidential Debate, and while the share probably doesn't reflect well, about 700,000 viewers added is always a good thing. So Yay. Second, Daisies isn't getting ratings that are disastrous, it's hanging in there. It's getting the same ratings that The Office got for the first half of the second season and 30 Rock still gets, and that is because NBC execs believe in the show. Third, and this segways from the second, Lee Pace, in a recent interview, stated that ABC believes in Bryan Fuller's vision enough to keep the show going. It's only been three episodes, they are hopeful that it will build an audience. The first season showed much promise and strong viewers, they can capture that again with time. If ratings dont improve, or God forbid worsen, then I hope we at least get a season three so Fuller can complete his masterpiece. OR have Shotime or HBO pick it up. Becuase it really is a genre-specific show, perfect for premium cable. And remember when Showtime made a bid for Arrested after it got cancelled? Anyway. WATCH THIS SHOW. I don't want to start a campaign of sending 10 million daisies to ABC to get this back.

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  • Oct 16, 2008 3:47:25 PM CDT

    billypilgrimisunstuck put down the crack pipe

    by lotusblade

    30 Rock's WORST episode ever was viewed by 5.4M people. The worst episode of Pushing Daisies was viewed by 5.5M people. If you just looked at that you'd have something. Except that isn't a "Rating." Nielsen bases their ratings on the 18-49 Demo. The same that advertisers care about.

    30 Rock's worst rating was 2.6/7. Pushing Daisies worst rating was 1.9/6. 30 Rock is also blessed with being the number 4 rated show on TV on the "Affluence List," which is ratings for people who make over $100,000. This is an important list for advertisers. Pushing Daisies is 71st on that list.

    The Office was getting around 8M viewers and 4.0/10s in its second season low points. The worst episode EVER of the The Office was watched by 5.7M people and scored a 2.2/10. Compare that to the 1.9/6.

    To say that Daisies isn't getting disastrous ratings is to live in denial. To say ABC isn't FOX and is thus more willing to keep a show on the air that isn't watched:

    Cashmere Mafia: Canceled after 2.0/5 rating (again in the 18-49 demo). 5.25M people watched that episode.

    Women's Murder Club: Canceled after 1.9/5 rating. 8.1M people watched that episode.

    October Road: Canceled after a 2.0/9 rating. 5.3M people watched that episode.

    Men in Trees: Canceled after a 2.1/8 rating. 5.8M people watched that episode.

    Boston Legal: Almost canceled until the producer of the show bought the rights to "Life on Mars," and used that to guarantee another season for Boston Legal. When notified the show was "in hot water," the show was a 2.6/9 and had 9.2M viewers. They recently got notified again that they had to pick up numbers. What were there numbers before being "notified?" (just like Pushing Daisies was notified after last weeks ratings). 2.1/8. With over 8.1M viewers.

    To suggest that ABC will keep a show that is doing worse than shows they've canceled in the past is denial. In fact you can't find one show on ABC that does worse or did worse than the shows I listed that they have kept.

    As for Lee Pace interviews, tough luck. At the time that may have been true. ABC had high hopes for the season premiere of Pushing Daisies. It flopped. When Lee was told ABC believed in the show it was in reference to advertising heavily for it despite the numbers being low at the end of season 1. The problem? The numbers got worse, much worse. You can't have a 1.9 in the 18-49 and remain on the air on one of the big 3 networks. You definitely can't have a 1.7 in the 18-34 demo.

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  • Oct 16, 2008 3:56:57 PM CDT

    Firefly had better numbers

    by lotusblade

    Does that give any of you any ideas? FOX cancelled Firefly despite a 2.9/5 rating and more watchers than Pushing Daisies. Of course Firefly was more expensive.

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  • Oct 16, 2008 4:18:42 PM CDT

    That's all very insightful

    by billypilgrimisunstuck

    What was Arrested averaging before it got cancelled? Where do you get your figures from? Zap2It has numbers but they make it hard to search for. Anyway, the Lee Pace interview was after last week's episode, Circus Circus. I think it was from Watch with Kristen on E! or Ask Ausellio on EW, I forget which. While the numbers are dismal (I still wouldn't say they're disastarous), I take refuge in the fact that Daisies is critically acclaimed and has received numerous accolades (i.e. 13 emmy noms). Moreover, last year's ratings were over the 10 million mark (i know Pie-lette had a 13 million premier) and I think ABC knows that it has the potential to generate a large audience. I read an article in, I think EW, talking about how there is a causal effect between the shows that didn't come back after the writer's strike and their dismal ratings now (i.e. Daisies, Private Practice, Chuck). I digress. Point being: I hope ABC has enough creative clout to keep the show running.

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  • Oct 16, 2008 4:30:15 PM CDT

    Having faith...

    by gislef_crow

    Plus, at the end of the day, what else is Pace going to say? "Oh my God, ABC hates us, we're hanging on by a thread, and if the next episode bombs we're out of here." So yeah, a certain amount of thanking the hand that feeds you is to be expected. But yeah, the Emmy nominations might keep it on the air a bit longer than the ratings indicate.

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  • Oct 16, 2008 4:54:12 PM CDT

    ABC has creative clout

    by lotusblade

    That is why they just put the show on hiatus. The question will be will they bring it back on a new night? Monday against Chuck would be a good idea. Friday it would be against Ghost Whisperer. It may have a show on Mondays. Going against Bones isn't good. I bet they share possible viewers. Monday would be much safer. Chuck is already on the ropes.

    The numbers ARE disastrous. You can't find anyone to name a show that didn't get the axe after dropping under 2.0 in the 18-49 demo from the big 3 networks (ABC, CBS, NBC). In fact going under 2.5 is a good sign you're about to get in trouble. Go under 2.2 and you're on the hot seat.

    For instance Pushing Daisies was almost canceled last season. It dropped to a 2.3/7 and about 7.5 million viewers. It rebounded with a strong tie in the next week however to a 3.8/9 and 10M viewers.

    The problem is this season hasn't been kind. Two 2.0/6s followed by a 1.9/6 isn't going to cut it. 6.3M viewers was the high for the premiere. Official numbers now have last night's episode finishing 11th for the night compared to finished 10th for the night the previous two weeks. 18-34 demos are dropping too. Last night's was a 1.7/6.

    The worst news is that viewership continues to DROP in the 2nd half hour. This is rarely a good sign for an hour long show on the ropes.

    Arrested Development was canceled in November right after 2 episodes were aired back to back. They were rated 2.4/5 and 2.3/5 in the 18-49 demo. 5.6M and 5.3M tuned in respectively. After cancellation the show would drop to 1.9s and 1.8s and around 4M viewers. However those shows were largely unadvertised and aired sporadically until the final 2 hour congestion of 4 episodes.

    The shows that didn't come back after the writer's strike have been hit the hardest. The problem of never airing repeats didn't help them either.

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  • Oct 16, 2008 4:54:48 PM CDT

    lotusblade- Is there a reason your so hostile

    by lovecraftfan

    Seriously the tone of your posts is very weird. You seem to not really like the show or actively want to go away. Chill out.

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  • Oct 16, 2008 4:59:29 PM CDT

    Winning Emmies Doesn't Make Advertisers Pay

    by lotusblade

    Sad but true. Arrested Development actually won for best comedy series! Still canceled! Pushing Daisies is ranked one of the 10 worst scripted shows on TV on the C+3 list. For those not in the industry, that list is the rankings of people who watch commercials during the shows. So Pushing Daisies has bad demo ratings and horrible commercial ratings. Compare that to something like The Mentalist which is killing in viewers, etc. but is getting smoked in its timeslot by Fringe where more people watch the commercials. That could be the biggest news of the year. Fringe and its limited commercial breaks of 60 seconds and 90 seconds are making it a top 10 show in the commercials watched category.

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  • Oct 16, 2008 5:06:50 PM CDT

    Lovecraftfan

    by lotusblade

    I was called a troll. It was implied I have no idea what I'm talking about. Then it was implied that the show actually doesn't have bad ratings. The ratings are in fact pretty bad. Obviously someone pointing out that a show is doing poorly is going to ruffle feathers. The truth may sound hostile to those who fear the truth.

    I have my own theories on why this show failed. The show rated well with people, and 3 of the 4 main stars rated extremely highly for a pilot. The problem imho was poor casting. When a show revolves around a couple you have to cast that couple well. Lee Pace was brilliant casting. They didn't do a good job of casting Chuck. In fact I'd be willing to bet that if they'd cast that part better the show wouldn't be on the rocks. Chuck was the weak link in the cast and Chuck needed to be one of the strongest casting jobs.

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  • Oct 16, 2008 5:13:06 PM CDT

    Lovecraftfan

    by palewook

    agree with you. i've just started ignoring him. he just wants attention in the worst way. he'll find another TB to haunt.

    as for his chicken little posts about PD, *shrug*. Just opinions, the show will go on until it doesn't. ABC has been rather public about it's support for PD during the 2nd season 13 episode run.

    beyond that, it's anyone's guess at this time. we're only 3 weeks in.

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  • Oct 16, 2008 5:14:53 PM CDT

    palewook, you're in denial

    by lotusblade

    "hiatus," official word from ABC. That is usually the kind way to say "canceled."

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  • Oct 16, 2008 5:28:11 PM CDT

    I thought the hiatus was planned on Oct 29th to begin with

    by billypilgrimisunstuck

    Am I wrong? Or is there a new hiatus? And with what lovecraftfan says, your "author's tone" is slightly hostile, almost didactic. Yes, the ratings are dismal, but the fans who hold it dear (i.e. me) will undoubtedly deny it, rationalize it, accept it, and hope for the best. Out of everything that has happened, I still think (or hope) that Daisies will get an extra push by the network, due to the critical accolades and promise they saw in season 1. When it comes down to casting, Lee Pace, Anna Friel and Kristen Chenoweth were perfectly cast, in my opinion. Chi McBribe grew on me, and the aunts should be relegated to recurring co-stars, which, despite cast credits, I feel their screentime solidifies that. I wouldn't say, despite your humble opinion, that the casting of Chuck is the causal link to the dwindling ratings. If that were true, then season 1 probably wouldn't have gone past "Pigeons". Plus, casting Anna Friel was a strategic move I feel, since she has a huge UK following. If we want to find causal links to why season 2 has been dwindling, I, from the beginning, found it odd that Daisies was getting a 8pm prime spot without any lead in. I'm not sure about season 1, but I'm pretty sure that Daisies premiered behind an already established show. I assumed Daisies, in S2, would be put behind Grey's, or something to the extent of that, but instead it provides the lead in to Private Practice and Dirty Sexy Money. Here's hoping that they'll move LOST back to Wednesdays in front of Daisies to provide a lead in. Wishful thinking. But that'll be a fun night of television.

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  • Oct 16, 2008 5:37:19 PM CDT

    Hiatus

    by lotusblade

    Yes, the break was already planned. A hiatus is when a company puts a show on hold. Pushing Daisies is on hold. So is Valentine, Easy Money, Life, and The Ex-List. The thing is all are really canceled, but there might be a chance that Pushing Daisies will return on a new night. Currently ABC has no plans to air any episodes after October compared to a week ago when there were episodes planned for November and December.

    Amusingly Herc just posted a list of shows on the bubble including all the shows that have been put on hold.

    Also it wasn't my opinion on Anna Friel it's how she scored in the pilot (the weakest of the 4 mains). Viewing and opinions I've heard by many males confirms it. Cast a younger hotter actress and the show might still have 10M viewers.

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  • Oct 16, 2008 5:49:34 PM CDT

    So what are the specifics?

    by billypilgrimisunstuck

    They're still in production now but won't be aired by ABC? Is the funding for production cut off now? And why did the casting call for 2.11 just come up and why did they just announce David Arquette for a recurring role?

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  • Oct 16, 2008 6:07:56 PM CDT

    Hiatus specifics

    by lotusblade

    All shows planned for November and December have been pulled. Meaning the execs are trying to reach a decision about what to do. Since 13 episodes were paid for it's up to the Production Company to halt production. They may well be continuing production for the DVD season pack. They are HOPING that ABC will decide to either shake up the lineup and move them or just decide that continued investment may pay off later.

    Realistically there isn't much hope if numbers don't bounce significantly next week. The numbers are the lowest of the bubble shows. Plus the show is not cheap. If the show was to lower regulars down to just the 4 mains, they may be able to entice ABC to pick up a few more episodes. In otherwords eliminate flashbacks to young chuck (a series regular now) and remove the Aunts from the storylines (but bring them back occassionaly).

    If you know people that have cable boxes or Nielsen boxes make sure they watch the commercials next week too. The Commercial Ratings for Pushing Daisies are horrible. If those were mediocre to good that would overcome the lower viewer ratings.

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  • Oct 16, 2008 6:12:40 PM CDT

    Well then, hoping for the best

    by billypilgrimisunstuck

    I hope ABC hangs on to this. They need to grab onto an investment, and this seems like the best possible path to tread. Lost goes off the air in two seasons, and all they'll have for original programming is Greys. Ugly Betty is starting to dwindle as well. They need to start pushing Daisies (ahaha. that was so unintentional), Brothers and Sisters, Samantha Who, and even Eli Stone. But Daisies, out of all of them, have maintained their status as a critical darling. Hope that's enough to carry it through.

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  • Oct 16, 2008 7:12:01 PM CDT

    Lotus

    by stuckinthepresentpaused

    where are you getting your hiatus information from? i seen you prasing supernatual on that talkback ( well semi-talkback since its really for SNL but the supernatural guys will take over there) and hating on pushing daisies numbers which you are right they are comparable in share but not total audience. I think that alot of the strike ridden shows are going to be given a full season order to try to gain an audience and than canceled as used as summer fodder(which is quite possiblyy pushing daisies fate) but all the casting info outthere seems to show that daisies is not haltin production.

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  • Oct 16, 2008 7:27:42 PM CDT

    Stuckinthepresentpaused

    by lotusblade

    ABC. ABC has removed the show from its time slot for November and December. The show has not halted production. The show continues to be produced. 13 episodes were paid for. They are currently shooting the last episodes of the order. ABC will make a decision soon. Pushing Daisies is the worst rated scripted show on the Big 3. If it gets canceled (highly likely) then the producers will get a chance to re-write the 13th and final episode and write closure.

    Also I hate on Herc who runs Co-Ax like it's his personal fanboy site for certain shows. He gets requests from numerous people to give other shows equal coverage and he never does. Unlike the rest of AICN, the coaxial side is extremely biased and limited in coverage. Supernatural is the 3rd/4th best show on one network and has just as many 18-34 year olds (AICN's base) practically watching it. Yet they get treated poorly. Unlike the rest of AICN, Coaxial seems to just be Herc. There are no other personalities writing about TV. It's a shame.

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  • Oct 16, 2008 7:36:13 PM CDT

    Lotus

    by stuckinthepresentpaused

    i concur with you about the coaxial. i was in here a few weeks ago trying to do the same thing for daisies( which got one) and chuck (which hasn't). and i agree the site is suppose to be aimed at a certain demo that supernatural and chuck cater too but get no love on the site. i saw the season premiere of supernatural and thought it was good but i hadnt seen any of the previous seasons and didnt want to go into it cold turkey. It seems weird though that ABC just released a press release praising daisies for its numbers with women and than removes it from the schedule.

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  • Oct 16, 2008 8:15:32 PM CDT

    It makes all the sense in the world

    by lotusblade

    Think about it, you're not sure if you're canceling it or moving it. You are hoping that it rebounds to at least Season 1 numbers. Yet, you have to show investors that you're doing the right thing. At the same time you don't want to scare off possible viewers. You have invested in 13 episodes after all. You also don't want to alienate the production company. So you remove the Nov/Dec shows from your schedule while you consider the future. Then you release a Press Release praising whatever you can find that is worth praising. In hopes that the decision is made for you either way by viewers.

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  • Oct 16, 2008 8:45:27 PM CDT

    Television is like...

    by billypilgrimisunstuck

    ..the stock market. You invest in a company you feel will generate long-term interest and you stick with it. Daisies seems like a solid investment; albeit the short-run detriment, there is enough confounding factors for the show to keep going past the initial 13 episode run. Let's take what Lotus says is true, and they are taking the show off for Nov and Dec, I can only hope that they will have time to retool the schedule, give Daisies the lead-in it deserves so it can build a substantial audience. If this all fails, then start writing to Showtime to pick up the show. It would be perfect along side Dexter, Weeds and Californication.

    p.s. the episode was great.

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  • Oct 17, 2008 7:45:13 AM CDT

    This show is great

    by rbrog77

  • Oct 17, 2008 9:16:45 AM CDT

    Eli Stone

    by novajimbo

    Pushing Daisys and Eli Stone reming me of each other. Whimsical anthing can happen feel good stuff.

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  • Oct 17, 2008 9:54:33 AM CDT

    Press release?

    by gislef_crow

    Was still waiting for a URL on that press release. Abc.com doesn't seem to have it. As to Anne Friel, on the one hand I can see how she doesn't score well. On the other, I don't think a hot young actress would really work. For one, I don't think there's any really out there that are up for whimsical Dr. Seuss comedy. Also, the part needs a certain... gravitas? You don't want Angela Lansbury. You don't want Meryl Streep. But you don't want Nicole Ritchie, either. 29, the age Chuck is supposed to be, seems to be about the right age and what's required for the story they're telling, but I suspect that's a leading-lady age demographic that doesn't score well no matter what. You either want them young and hot. Or (relatively) old and mature.

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  • Oct 17, 2008 10:01:44 AM CDT

    Only bright spot in the crappiest TV season ever.

    by _maltheus_

    I'm kind of resigned to this being canceled, but I think it's the most special thing on TV right now. Dexter use to be my favorite, but PD has overtaken it this season. If Knight Rider has better ratings then I simply have to accept the fact that this country is unredeemable. Idiocracy is a primer, not just a movie.

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  • Oct 17, 2008 5:57:05 PM CDT

    Gislef

    by lotusblade

    Friel is 32 going on 40. She didn't score as highly as the others. It was a bad casting decision. I remember Fuller said she was the choice and if it was the wrong one he'd sink on the same ship. Fuller has made interesting female lead choices in the past that were wrong too. Dead Like Me comes to mind.

    You just cast a hot young actress around the age of 25 to 27 and you have no problems. Instead he hired an Irish actress who didn't score well. Obviously some people love her and share the opinion of Fuller. The problem is Fuller's taste might not be the best.

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  • Oct 17, 2008 7:21:54 PM CDT

    Friel

    by gislef_crow

    Problem is, a 25-27 hot young actress doesn't suit the character. I think Friel does fine as the character: the problem is the character isn't that believable. A 29-year-old woman who never experienced life for the first 28 years of her life? And the character doesn't really contribute that much to the murder/detective plots. She's... there, and sometimes she does... something. And she gets in danger from bees and bell towers. I think the character is the weak link in the show among the regulars. Really, it's more that I can't imagine watching the show in two years, or them having much to still say in two years. How many "Ooh, secrets and lies" plots can they have? Of course, that's never stopped Smallville...

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  • Oct 17, 2008 8:29:04 PM CDT

    Chuck

    by billypilgrimisunstuck

    To objectify something as subjective as a woman's beauty is a bit futile, and kind of sexist, in my opinion. To my understanding, Friel scored the lowest out of the four principles, and I would agree that is true. But to compare Friel to Pace, Chenoweth and McBribe, is slightly unfair; they're all great, Chuck is just relegated to the damsel in distress, the plot device for the PieMaker's journey, and risk and consequence personified. Pace and McBribe get the meaty mystery part of the show while Chenoweth is there for comic relief. So I don't find it surprising that Chuck is the least affable of the bunch. However, she does serve her purpose well. She brings some substance to the character and she's as cute as a button.

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  • Oct 18, 2008 4:45:27 PM CDT

    Friel/Chuck

    by gislef_crow

    Which was kind of my point. I don't think any actress appropriate to the role that Fuller has written, would have scored well. Most hot young actresses would make the character... a hot young girlfriend to Ned. The storyline doesn't require a hot young girlfriend for Ned. Now there's a few exceptions there, hot young actress who can play innocent/wide-eyed waifs trying to come to terms with weird shit in their lives. However, Summer Glau's busy on Terminator. Fuller could have written the story for Ned to have a hot young girlfriend... but then it wouldn't be Pushing Daisies as we know it. *shrug* He could have cast all four leads as hot young (relatively talented) actor/actress and scored well.

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