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A brief description of the SLEEPY HOLLOW trailer!!!
Maaaaaaaaan, I want to see this trailer NOW!!! I tell ya folks, this movie is going to be sooooooo cool. Them trees he's describing... I know it sounds lame to talk about "How cool the trees are" but dammit, you just haven't read the descriptions about the trees moving out of the Headless Horseman's way and how EERIE they are supposed to look... TOOOOO COOL! I'm excited. Dammit... Guess I'm lining up for that SOUTH PARK movie up in Minneapolis/St Paul sometime Wednesday! If you hear about it popping up online... let me know! Although keeping an eye on ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT over the next couple of days might be a damn good idea... Paramount does produce both!
You probably alread know this, but I thought I'd let you know anyway.
The first 'Sleepy Hollow' teaser is attached to all prints of South Park.
We recieved the prints tonight at my movie theater and as soon as I saw
that the trailer was attached I cut it off and ran it through the
projector. It was stunning...a 'Star Wars' style teaser in that it was a
full two minutes and fifteen seconds. 'Don't close your eyes...' it
warns, but how could we when the images presented in this trailer are so
awe-inspiring? Remember the old Disney cartoon, and how the forest
looked? It looks just like that. The cinematography is gorgeous. It is
classic Burton; the images, the sounds, the logo rising out of the
mist....everything is played straight, but when you see the way Johnny
Depp raises his eyebrow when he is told that the heads of the corpses
were never found...you know this movie is going to have a twisted sense
of humor. Go see South Park, just to see this trailer.
By the way, the music was definitely Elfman--or else a damn good rip
off. Some of it sounded familiar, but a lot of it sounded new...and it
all sounds incredible.
You are going to love this trailer, Harry. And if you've already seen
it, you know what I mean!
David the Ghost-Boy
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Well, I didn't know for sure if I would end up seeing the "South Park" film this summer but after reading that it has a "Sleepy Hollow" trailer attached I realized that I had no choice! I've loved all of Mr. Burton's films and always felt that of all the modern american filmmakers, he was the closest to what I would consider a "kindred spirit", at least in respect to his choice of projects, his "dark' artistic sense and his oddball sense of humor. "Sleepy Hollow" has a shot at being Burton's best yet in a career of gems...thanks for the heads up (no pun intended) on the trailer for his latest!
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When does this baby come out- I play on the HSX and it seems to be a pretty good investment!
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And damn, did it look creepy. It also didn't hurt that Mary Hart shut her piehole and let the trailer do most of the talking.
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I remember that, as a child, The Legend of Sleepy Hollow animated flick gave me many a sleepless night. The eerieness and creepiness gave me a SEVERE case of the willies. I am SO looking forward to this live action version being released. I haven't seen the trailer yet, but I'm keeping my eyes peeled. *ouch*
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I didn't realize just how good that movie was until Batman and Robin came out. give me Burton over those other hacks any day.
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This movie is going to rock. Burton, Elfman, Depp.. what more do you need? I cant wait for the quicktime trailer.
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Looking forward to seeing "South Park" as well. Anyway, who listens to "Batdance" by Prince anymore?
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...to see this film, everythimg about it sounds amazing - Burton, Depp, Ricci, cinematography...
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I am really looking forward to this puppy. Normally I get my mitts on a script and i get through the opening couple of scenes and go no way not seen the finished product yet. The script to this though is good stuff, and i was stuck on a train with nothing else to occupy so it got read. Nice sense of menace and just the odd sense of a nod and a wink. In the hands of Burton, Elfman and Depp this should be fly. But alas i am here in the UK so have no idea when we get to see it. Any dates gratefully accepted.
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he forgot to write a good script or to come up with any decent dialog.
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Hope it's a good script -that's all Burton needs.
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Star Wars Ep.I: The Phantom Menace was *fantastic*. The best summer movie in a very long time. A worthy successor to (or predeccessor of) the original trilogy. In twenty years people will remember when they lined up for THIS movie the way they remember the original Star Wars today. The CGI was flawless, the characterizations dead-on, and that music while the Jedi battled Maul was unbelievable. When Ani beat Sebulba I cheered, and when he blew up the Droid Control ship the entire theatre cheered. You DUMMIES who put Episode One down are really starting to piss me off. Get a clue and check the box office figures. Phantom Menace is now the #4 movie of ALL TIME. Soon it will be #3. Everyone loves this film: families, women, older adults. The only ones who DON'T like it are FANBOY NERDS and COMPUTER GEEKS like yourselves. I got a chuckle when Lucas said he didn't like fans who want "Star Wars to be like Terminator" and he would do his utmost best to *never* try to please those types. Star Wars movies were and are fun, family pictures with an uplifting message and breathtaking vision. They are not cheap thrills for angst-ridden teenage rejects. I've seen Phantom Menace five times now, with my fiancee, my nephew, my two young neices, and with friends. I GUARANTEE that this CLASSIC will endure long after the idiotic crap like Austin Powers, Big Daddy, and etc. are long forgotten. Keep it up George, write em all yourself and screw the unwashed masses of geeks and nerds. Give us Gungans and Midi-Chlorians and Toydarians. I can't wait for Episode II, and I hope to God there's not one WHIFF of Boba Fett.
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What did grunter mean by censorship of Eyes Wide Shut? Did I miss something? I admit I've kept my eyes wide shut on this movie as far as plot etc... but I haven't seen any non-spoiler reports that said anything about this. Help!
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November can't come soon enough for me. The script by Andrew Kevin Walker is a great read. The atmosphere literally dripped off the pages as I read it. I can't wait to see what the Headless Horseman will look like! Tim Burton is one of my favorite directors (give me MARS ATTACKS! over INDEPENDENCE DAY any day of the week), and I consider ED WOOD to be his masterpiece. Johnny Depp is one of the best actors working today, choosing quality over predictability, and Danny Elfman...well, what could I say? A modern-day Bernard Herrmann. The kind of composer you could hear just a snippet of music from, and you know who it is. I remember in 1989 when the BATMAN trailer came out, attatched to the abysmal Clint Eastwood flick PINK CADILLAC. I had no intention of seeing the comedy, but a friend told me that the theater was showing the trailer to the dark new BATMAN movie. Before you could say "Holy cream in your pants, Batman!" I rushed to the theater, and saw Jack Nicholson in white face cackling "Wait'll they get a load of me." Those two minutes were more entertaining and exciting than anything that followed. I have a feeling that on Wednesday history will repeat itself. I have no desire to see SOUTH PARK, but...
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I agree with you 100%, buddy. The only people who hated The Phantom Menace were the nuts who made Star Wars their life while waiting for the movie to open. And while we're mentioning EII characters, let's see the Trade Federation again! Viceroy rocked! "We must work quickly to disrupt all forms of comoooonication."
Er, oh yeah, Sleep Hollow is gonna be great too. I've even enjoyed some of Burton's less respected films, so I doubt it will take too much to impress me here. It looks like a great cast for the most part. Isn't that Starship Troopers idiot in it though? Does he have a very big part? He's the only thing that I could really see hurting the movie. -
I was reading some British movie magazine yesterday and I'm pretty sure I read that Sleepy Hollow comes out there in December. As for the "censored" Eyes Wide Shut, Stanley Kubrick himself (well, not physically himself) digitally added figures or objects during the orgy scene to cover any NC-17-attracting genitalia. There you go. It wasn't just the "producers", it was the producer, Stanley Kubrick. And by the way, Phantom Menace had a more complex plot and far better acting (overall) than A New Hope.
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On Tim Burton... he proves that the visual skills he learned as a Disney animator can be valuable tools as a live-action director. All of his films seem to have a strong visual style that does an excelent job in setting the mood (doesn't he draw his own storyboards?). On Eyes Wide Shut "censorship"... while I haven't read the Time article, yesterday's cinescape.com report indicated that the "editing" was performed by Stanley Kubrick (not the producers). On George Lucas... the thing that gets me about the "Phantom-Menace-haters" is that many don't get the point of the film. It's actually analogous to the tendency of people (Gungans and humans) to bicker over petty differences while Faust-like evil men (the Senator) plot and plan to "undue" us all.
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Phantom Menace did rock!
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Compared to that absolute HACK Joel Schumacher, Tim Burton is some kind of god. He may have made mistakes with Batman, but he didn't take an umnitigated diarrhetic CRAP all over the character, like Schumacher did. Ol' Joel completely donkey-fucked the entire franchise. The corporate numbskulls who own the rights to Batman may have made a slight mistake with Burton, but when they hired Schumacher they bent right over, spread their asscheeks, and let him bugger them ten ways from Tuesday. I hope someone smears Joel Schumacher's ass with peanut butter and throws him into a cage with a sexx-deprived, horny male Grizzly bear in the near future. I'd gladly pay $8.50 and get a big ol' bag of popcorn to watch that!!!
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I love Tim Burton films (although Batman Returns was pushing my loyalty to extreme limits), and this is classic Burton territory. And with Christina Ricci and Johnny Depp, this film will rock!!
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If any of you guys want to red the script (I don't know what rewrite it is, and I would assume it's the real thing), go to http://members.xoom.com/deppster/sh1.html. This is from Andrew Kevin Walker, the guy who wrote Se7en, and believe me, it is GOOD. If there is one thing Burton is good with, it is atmosphere; Batman had that in spades. With the screenplay by Walker, and the atmosphere by Burton, it's pretty hard to imagine this one going wrong.
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Jun 29, 1999 5:56:01 PM CDT
The moron who has to hype "Star Wars" in a "Sleepy Hollow" Talk
by mrniceguy
First off, permit me to apologize to everyone for addressing "Star Wars" in this particular forum. I feel obligated, however, to rejoin the "Star Wars" debate because of the antagonistic remarks made by "Rodimus Prime". Mr. Prime: You are an ignorant moron, and it is as simple as that. "Star Wars" has no greater intelligence than "Godzilla". Can you understand that? I doubt it. Any person who could dare to call "The Phantom Menace" is obviously so mentally impaired that even the simplest notions are undoubtedly beyond their comprehension. "The Phantom Menace" was an amateurishly-staged, awkwardly-written piece of fantasy trash that does not even approach the coherence and idealism of the first three films. I'm not even going to concern myself with Lucas's crass commercialism -- it's not as though he's the only person who milks his films dry. That's just good capitalism. What is offensive is when the true unwashed masses -- i.e., you Mr. Prime -- feel compelled to shout to the heavens about Lucas's artistry, where in fact there is none. Sure he has a story -- but it's difficult to find in all the elitist politics. Upon finding this story, this discerning viewer is certain to retch. Anakin _accidentally_ blows up the big, bad mothership, thus saving the day? What compelling plot dynamics. ID4 was a more stirring, dramatic, and cleanly executed film. You describe "Star Wars" as uplifting. Curious. Personally, I've never found genetic determinism (seen "Gattaca"?) all that optimistic. Similarly, I don't particularly fancy the notion that the ideal form of political leadership is the enlightened monarch. It goes back to Hobbes, except he called it the enlightened despot -- and let's not forget that he described human existence as "nasty, brutish and short". Hobbes is the ultimate cynic in political philosophy -- and George Lucas is a devout Hobbesian. So don't try and feed me this crap about "The Phantom Menace"'s optimism. How about Lucas's portrayal of the institutions of democracy? Really flattering: what the Senate needs is firm leadership, not accountability! Amidala declares, "I will not let my people die while you discuss this in a committee!" Lucas seems to have a lot of faith in democratic procedure, doesn't he? I've never heard a more depressing political message in my life -- and from the "rebel" that made "American Graffiti", no less! No, "Star Wars" is neither optimistic nor intelligent. Of course, had the film been superbly executed, with a riveting story-line, all of this could potentially be excused. It doesn't, of course. The whole movie's exposition, in service of two things: Episode II (gee, great), and the two major action sequences. Lucas seems to have forgotten all about pacing in service of his perverse politics. "The Phantom Menace" will not be forgotten, but it will not persevere as the first films did. It is, in short, a sequel by nature (if prequel by name). By the way, "Sleepy Hollow" looks superb. Undoubtedly Burton's best film since the excellent "Batman".
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I didn't check my last post, so I left out a key word. It should read, early in the post: "...anyone who would dare to call 'The Phantom Menace' a masterpiece is..." Sorry about the confusion. I imagine it's rather difficult to understand without the word "masterpiece".
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Does anyone else feel that you should have to actually have a reason to post in these talk backs? I am really interested in this film so I read the artcle. Then I get to the talk backs and foolishly think that there might be some good discussion about it or Burton. What I see is some people trying to have discussions which are then ruined by assholes who apparently have no good reason to even be posting. All you ever read in talkbacks are cutdowns on other people, film makers, movies, and Star Wars episode 1. Someone like Jellobo just doesn't seem to be so bright. If you don't like Tim Burton then why the hell are you even reading an article about him, let alone taking the time to post a "he sucks" message? What a waste of time. There are plenty of movies that I could give a rats ass about, and you know what? I IGNORE THEM. If you don't like or care about the topic then quit wasting everyones time. I am also tired of hearing about Star Wars in every unrelated area. give it a fucking break. a lot of people hate it, and a lot of people love it, and nobody is going to change anyones mind, so shut the hell up, especially when it has nothing to do with the topic. Everyone has to learn to have common courtisy, and to realize that not everyone likes or hates the same things you do, so if you don't like something don't try to ruin it for the people who do by filling their talkbacks with hate and urelated topics. I'm almost hoping that Harry gets rid of the talk backs because people obviously aren't cival, and even perhaps intelligent enough to make them a worthwhile function.
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Tim Burton's contributions to cinema have been innovative and, at times, moving. While you may complain about the "two Prince videos" in the movie Batman, you can much more likely attribute those to Jon Peters and Peter Guber than to Burton. And even if Burton was solely responsible for involving Prince, so what? Prince was and is one of the most dynamic artists of the last two decades, responsible for at least three classic records. Other than your personal comic-book-fan disappointment over "dubious" casting decisions, can you think of a single misstep in either Batman film by Burton? Besides, how can you begin to classify a director as a "hack" based on your opinion of two of his films? Burton also directed Beetlejuice, Edward Scissorhands, PeeWee's Big Adventure, and Ed Wood (the last two of which are arguably classics). I understand that you may be disappointed that he didn't make your favorite comic book into the classic story that is depicted on your favorite cartoon, but Tim Burton is definitely not a hack.
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...i cant krappin wait! this is one of me's most anticipated krappin movies of the year....
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...Burton's no hack.
i wipe my ass w/ everything that jelloboy said. this movie will be nothing short of genius.
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Dreakhead7... The Phantom Menace's negative hype makes a person afraid to try to voice their interpretation of it. I wonder... when the bulk of the audience doesn't comprehend the true meaning of a film, does that mean that the director failed or that the audience missed it? Well, at least Tim Burton has a classic in Sleepy Hollow. That way, he and the screenwriter have a slightly easier task of adding an additional interpretation to an already existing work of art.
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What determines what a good movie is? Critical acclaim is one way and popularity is another. People genuinely enjoyed "The Phantom Menace" and "Titanic", just look at the grosses. Does it mean they suck? NO. I'm also pretty sure that "Apocalypse Now" was not a box office success. Does it suck? NO. "Citizen Kane" was black listed, even boycotted. Does it suck? NO. I loved all these films, with the exception of Titanic maybe, but that doesn't detract from my movie going experience. What does bother me are the people out there that will go to extraordinary lengths to ruin other people's fun. Like MrNiceGuy who's STRETCHING so far to make his arguments. As for the Joker being tall and skinny? Is that written in stone somewhere? To me, the Joker is a psychopathic murderer, which I thought was portrayed well on the big screen. It seems this superficial attitude to film these days is really hurting what movies are all about. It's not all about looks. And to bash Nicholson cuz he's not "physically" right for the role may mean that YOU SHOULD START LISTENING to what is being said instead of failing to understand that film isn't just visual. Don't get me into "so-and-so doesn't have the right look for Anakin..." The age of the silent film is over. Damn. Which finally brings us to Burton. I think he did a wonderful job on Batman. It's his version of Batman, a darker telling of the story. If you want to see a thin Joker, then fuck it, go watch the 'toons or read the comics. If you're a purist, and would rather see a dark Batman in a comic book, read "The Dark Knight Returns". If you want a cowardly, tall, skinny, red-headed Ichabod Crane, then fuck it, go see the Disney version. It's great animation! But if you want to see a dark, creepy live action take on Sleepy Hollow, then FUCK IT, go see Burton's version! That's why these stories keep coming back! Because someone retells it just a bit differently! Everyone always fucking complains about lack of originality, but then someone like Burton tries to put his spin on "The Legend of Sleepy Hollow" and everyone's panties bunches up! What the fuck?! Grow up, expose yourself, or if you prefer, you can stay where you are...
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MrNiceGuy, I quoted the box office totals as examples that the average moviegoer loves The Phantom Menace. No movie becomes the #3 movie of all time and makes over 350 million dollars if it has bad word of mouth. I also said that it will go down as a classic, that people 20 years from now will remember seeing it the way people today remember seeing Star Wars Episode IV in 1977, and that it was a fantastic summer movie. I also said that the majority of people putting Phantom Menace down are adolescent computer geeks and unmitigated NERDS of every stripe. Thankfully, in the greater scheme of things, these idiots are few, and their opinions count for nada, zero, zilch, jack shit. They, including you, MrNiceGuy, can continue to rant and rave on the internet all they want. They don't matter one bit to me, and they sure as Hell don't matter one bit to Mr. George Lucas. By the way, MrNiceGuy, how old are you, just out of curiosity? Were you even BORN in 1977? If not, exactly what gives you the right to compare the theatrical experiences of Episode I and Episode IV?
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Here we are on a Tim Burton talkback and we've got what, maybe two actual comments about his films? Star Wars was Star Wars. No one cares about that here. I won't express my opinion here, because like Matthew Modine any answer I give will be wrong and the drill seargents will hit me more. Did Star Wars make your dicks shrivel up and fall off or what? Jesus Harold Christ! I saw this movie today called "Ernest Goes to Camp". Anyone wanna argue about it's relevance regarding Burton's work? Didn't think so. Shut the fuck up about TPM and form some new opinions. I wanna hear about Sleepy Hollow, not the endless ravings of the Star Wars debate. By the way, any of you that call Burton (or any other directors) a hack can feel free to mail me your latest film. I prefer DVD format, so no tapes please. I'll be certain to give it a fair and unbiased review since I know how hard it can be to get a script published when you never leave the house. Get a fucking clue and learn to respect the opinions of the others around you. I'd love to hear all about your humble opinions of TPM. Just let me read them on the Star Wars pages o.k.?
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I agree to a degree about Star Wars, but I feel you can go to either extreme. it wasn't crap, but it wasn't perfectly great. it had some problems, and some flaws, which I hope will be rectified with the next one. Even if they are not, I will still enjoy the next one, as I enjoyed Episode I. That's all. Oh...yeah, GO SLEEPY HOLLOW! I'm not paying to see South Park though.
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You can find it here http://www.movie-list.com/s/sleepyhollow.html
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I may have to eat my words on this, but my word on the music on the trailer is that it's not Elfman-- it's Ronan Hardiman, a relatively unknown Irish composer best known for his work on Michael Flatley's "Lord of the Dance' Irish dance rockstravaganza (and before you start snickering *yawn* I've heard all the bad MF jokes already). The song is 'Nightmare' from the soundtrack Of LOTD. Most of Ronan's previous work is New Aged cheddar, but his work on LOTD is deadly, melding trad Celtic dance rhythms to a synth rock score-- not an easy thing for anyone, and he put it together in 6 weeks. This guy has brilliant potential for scoring, and though I'm REAL picky about Lord of the Rings stuff (NOT happy about the thus-far casting at all, but trust PJ to do it right-- hopeIhopeIhope), Ronan's on my short list for composer. Anyway, she blithely blithers on, I see South Park tomorrow under protest (primitive animation coupled with sophmoric gutter humor-- ooooo, my ideal of Ars Gratia Artis, yeah!), and I'll check it out for myself. If it gets me kicked outta the theatre for doin' a treble-jig in the aisle-- it's Ronan.If it's Elfman-- well, that gets me kicked outta Talk Back!
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Let's face it--Tim Burton is a filmmaker that I can only describe as absolutely riveting--each one of his movies (with the exception of MARS ATTACKS--woops!)are undisputed gems--brilliantly and more often than not movingly filmed. What dumbass could look at the trailer for SLEEPY HOLLOW and think that they're not going to be in for some kind of memorable experience. BATMAN looks a lot better these days, doesn't it cynics? EDWARD SCISSORHANDS was a staggering vision wrapped up in a porcelain pretty story. BATMAN RETURNS, I think his best so far, is the only big budget spectacular that I can truly call an art film--whose grandiose visuals and complex emotions are something that a PHANTOM MENACE can only hope for (although it probably would have been achieved if Burton had filmed it). And as for ED WOOD--come on people--the great underrated, underseen movie of the decade! And even MARS ATTACKS had a true vision behind it--it just wasn't funny. A minor qualm in a a career of a director who's basically batting 1.000. So how can Sleepy Hollow not be good? Johnny Depp who always gives consistently excellent, off-kilter performances. Christina Ricci--I don't think SHE'LL be dull. And Christopher Walken finally getting to play an icon of the very devilishness that he puts into all of his performances (no matter how straight-laced they may be!). And behind it all will be the guy whose very mind we can see onscreen with those twisted trees, lurking shadows, and creepy images we see in the trailer. What do you want America--Joel Schumacher? Michael Bay? Simon West? for God's sakes--Roland Emmerich? Love Tim Burton or DIE! Now...I must dance.
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You know the eerie music that comes on as Depp enters Sleepy Hollow and is talking with Jeffrey Jones and such? That is straight off the soundtrack from 'Beetlejuice'. Go pick it up at your local music store, it's track 6 called 'Lydia Discovers'. That part, we know, is Elfman. The rest, however, is questionable, because several times a trailer will use music from a different movie. "A Simple Wish" with Martin Short played the 'Beetlejuice' theme in its trailer, and 'The Nightmare Before Christmas' played an excerpt from 'Edward Scissorhands'. However, the music in the second half of the trailer is questionable. But if you've heard much of Elfman's music (see Music for a Darkened Theatre Vol. 1 and 2) the trumpet parts with the crescendo (yattata yattata yattata yattata) remind me of Mission:Impossible; and the floaty rotating music in the background (buh AAH buh AAH buh AAH buh AAH buh) sounds a little like Burton's N.M.B.C. So I wouldn't be surprised if this is real original music from the movie........ I swear, i saw the trailer tacked on to blair Witch yesterday, and i was humming with the music and reciting the dialogue. "Murder needs no ghost come from the grave...the assassin is a man of flesh and blood, and I will...find him." I got a lot of strange looks from those sitting around me...... One more thing to say, I read somewhere at Corona that Andrew Kevin Walker was not happy with Burton's take on his script... is this something to worry about?...
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