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Harry thinks Brolin's W is better than the real thing!
I’m on record of feeling that George W Bush is definitely the worst President of my 36 year life time and arguably the worst in American History. On a personal level, I hate the guy. He may be “Born Again,” but in his eyes I still see the coke-snorting alcoholic Frat Rat that he was in his youth. I hold the Presidency as a place for intelligent, wise and thoughtful folks. Going with your gut bullshit isn’t how to govern or lead this country, much less the world.
That said, George Dubya Bush fascinates me… It is astonishing to imagine that a man that failed at every business he ever attempted, that was a do nothing Governor, that admits to not liking to read… that a man like that could become President, not only that… but a President over a dramatically important sector of American History. A nation in crisis led by a “C” student.
That said, I’ve me W twice, once at a function at the Governor’s Mansion here in Austin, Texas and once while I was being interviewed about Star Wars on a program, that he was also a guest on… again while he was Governor. I didn’t have any Christopher Walken “The Ice Is Gonna Break!” moments. But instead, I couldn’t help but actually feel the man had a “redneck charisma.”
The years I spent in North Texas – dealing with Oil men, rounding up cattle, raising Quarter Horses – and coming from a family that made its money in Oil, Land & Cattle – and constantly being pressured to go into the “family business” I got who George appealed to, at least in Texas. I was just surprised how much further that “redneck charisma” took him. I always thought he’d be perceived as too hick. Kinda how everyone is reacting to Palin these days.
Also of personal note, my father worked in the Texas Republican Party in the late Sixties – working with the George H.W. Bush’s campaigns and even trying to get him on Nixon’s ticket way back when. For those that know my father, the idea that he was Republican is like trying to convince most people these days that Bush was a coke snorting, womanizing heavy drinker. It was just a different era. But I grew up my entire life hearing stories about what a fuck up George H. W. Bush’s son was. How he was an embarrassment to his father in the late sixties and early seventies.
So I walked into Oliver Stone’s W with a lot of Bush baggage. It was something I’ve been dying to see, but having now seen it, I can say with absolute certainty that I didn’t know what Oliver Stone was up to.
W is not DR STRANGELOVE. This isn’t a biting satire ridiculing a man. This isn’t a film about Liberal Revenge – with a mind set to smear the man as a hick Chauncey Gardner. W. isn’t about the Bush Presidency, at its soul, the film is about why a man that started off life wanting to be anything but his father, not only followed his footsteps into the White House, but got the second term his father didn’t. It’s a film about the fire that drives the Bush engine.
And that is an incredibly compelling question. Why would Bush do the things he has done?
There is a moment where you see W wake up. When you realize that he will not let Jeb take his place, when he is completely disgusted by his Father’s loss to Clinton – and the Bush we know today was born.
This film is extraordinary. Compelling from the first frames to the last. In terms of a portrait of a man who became President, it is arguably the best film made. I love Ford’s YOUNG MR. LINCOLN, but this is frankly, just a more compelling story. It has more genuine laughs and emotional beats. Lincoln is obviously a larger life, but here… Brolin’s BUSH does get the excuse to do so much nuance with the character. Through Brolin’s performance, I get why the folks around him admire W.
Josh Brolin will be nominated for Best Actor this year for this part. It is a phenomenal performance that goes beyond mere imitation, to living in the role. There’s a mindset that imitates the look in Bush’s eyes, not just the dim glimmer of dumbness, but when Bush turns on the charm and his eyes light up, that hang dog look, that amused look – and then an entire range of emotion that we haven’t seen from W. Brolin doesn’t play him as a corny TV imitation, but as a living breathing man with motivations, flaws and dynamics. His character shows the President’s gifts – alongside his faults.
But then the greatness of the film expands beyond just the masterful centerpiece that is Brolin’s W. Let’s start with his parents, Ellen Burstyn’s Barbara Bush is not the passive matronly ‘grandma’ that we see standing off to the left of George Sr. She’s got a temper and she’s a sharp willed lady. My father never mentioned that he knew Barbara Bush, but after the movie he said that Ellen Burstyn’s performance was dead on. Barbara was constantly on the scene in the Sixties at the Political offices and was every bit the character that Stone shows us with Burstyn’s tiny but memorable performance. Then there’s James Cromwell’s George Sr. Of all the actors in the film, he’s the shiny penny that doesn’t look right. He didn’t bury himself in make up or hair styles, instead he just played the spirit of George H.W. Bush. It’s a strong part, but given the transformation that everyone around him made, I kinda wish he’d allowed himself to be transformed a bit more.
Next are the actors that form the people around the President. Every last single one of them is fucking great! I’m serious. You take Richard Dreyfuss’ DICK CHENEY… he isn’t the sneering evil cackling Cardinal Richelieu. You very much get the idea that he is a power to be reckoned with at Bush’s White House. He is menacing, but you also see the admiration he has for George, the way George takes what Cheney is moving for and repackages it in a palatable for “Joe SixPack” as we’ve seen Sarah say. Not so much FOLKSYING it up, but by leaving out the REAL ISSUE and framing it with the issues that do concern the average Joe. But Dreyfuss, just the casting of him lends a weight to the role, a solid level of respect and ultimately he’s, for lack of a better phrase, a cocked double-barreled shotgun in the room… You find yourself waiting for him to fire. And you won’t be disappointed when he does.
Next we have Jeffrey Wright as General Colin Powell – most likely the most respected member of W’s initial Cabinet. I don’t know about you, but I love Jeffrey Wright – and I know it is only a matter of time till he picks up his Gold Bald Dude, he won’t get nominated here, but if he were, I’d be delighted. It always felt like Colin Powell was the voice of reason in that White House – and for now and God knows how many years – we don’t know for sure what happened in those meetings leading up to the IRAQ war, but this feels reasonable. Given who resigned and left the administration, this feels right. Wright’s plea for reason is amazing. His exchanges with Rumsfeld and Cheney and Condi… Classic.
Scott Glenn has the exact right level of sleaze for Donald Rumsfeld. There’s scenes where he just looks like a corporate overseer that just wants his way, and Glenn nails it.
Thandie Newton has come a long way since I initially despised her in BELOVED, but her Condoleezza Rice grates me exactly as much as the real thing. Every time she speaks, it’s like fingernails on a chalkboard. This is the exact sensation that I get when Condi speaks. Thandie’s makeup is truly amazing, as at no point did I find myself attracted to her, but rather – I felt complete disdain. HOWEVER, I’m betting if you’re a fan of Condi, you’ll love her.
The last performer that I want to comment on is Elizabeth Banks’ LAURA BUSH. This is a statement I’m sending directly to Oliver Stone. How on Earth could you cast such an incredibly hot, lovable, worshipable actress that I have such an incredible thing for… As Laura Bush. Every moment she was on screen, I was ogling her. But she was W’s wife and that felt INCREDIBLY WRONG. Elizabeth Banks doesn’t have that ballpeen hammer to the forehead look that Laura has… instead, she has that – “I’m the most adorable and lovable femme to ever rule the Earth-look!” That said, she’s amazing in the film.
The film is fantastic. The whole thing. Oliver Stone did what I feel many of us “liberals” could never really do – and that’s make a very even handed biopic on George W Bush, one that shows his merits & his shortcomings. A tragic story of a would be hero, a would be great man. In that respect, W reminds me of ED WOOD - a biopic of a famous mediocre talent that probably never should have held a camera, like that, here you see how Bush became the man he has inflicted upon all of us, these last 8 years.
Oliver Stone has made a truly great film.
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....is going to get ugly real quick. That said, looking forward to seeing this on Friday.
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Whataguy...
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As long as it doesn't roll too liberal, it should meet a wide audience in 27% approval America.
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Harry, thanks for helping me avoid this stupid shit. I'll donate the $10 to McCain's campaign.
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who has a D after their name?
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Thanks for the review, Harry. You've told me all I need to know.
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Harry,
I don't think you would ever say that George Bush is fascinating to you if you had never seen this movie. It's fashionable to hate Bush. The easy thing to do is hate Bush. You say uninformed things about him. You're 36. I'm 35. Even I know that Carter was the worst president in our lifetime. Not W. You're boring and predictable when it comes to politics. You don't do the subject justice. -
I HAVENT SEEN THIS MOVIE BUT IT IS A TRAITOROUS PEACE OF SHIT!!! GEORGE W WUZ THE GREATEST PRISIDENT EVER CAUS HE SAVED US FRUM THE TERRORISTS AND FREED EYERACK! I HATE QUEERBOYS BUTT I WOULD GLADLY SUCKLE AT THE COCK OF PRESIDENT BUSH,BILL ORILLY,OR TOBY KEITH. GOD BLESS AND GOOD NITE!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7VS8dg6mWE
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Oct 13, 2008 10:59:57 PM CDT
Talkback preview: Blah blah blah! I love Republicans! I love Dem
by tallboy66
God, shut up all of you. Stop it.
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and I'm a Bush hating, Clinton & Obama loving dem. I have no idea what I'm going to think or feel during or after this movie, but it intrigues me so.
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president ever, clearly has political motivations. Harry you don't even know all the previous presidents of the United States. Your lack of insight is showing.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I91NpKkhjuY
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awesome
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How is your health now-a-days? I havn't seen an update in a long time and was wondering how the post-op Harry is and how the exercising is going...
Funny thing though, I was not that enthused about this movie for the longest time but in the past month or so I have been dying to watch it. -
Heres is a list of the workst presidents ever. #1 is CLEARLY George W. Bush.#2 is Lyndon Johnson and the #3 worst president of all time is Jimmy Carter-although in accordance with the laws pertaining to Simpsons humor he will still be referred to as "Historys Greatest Monster"
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Can't wait to see it this weekend. That being said...prepare for ultra destruct mode in the talkbacks. Shit's going to hit the fans....like now...lol
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For that I am thankful to him. Otherwise, he's what I think of as the result of millions of idiots who didn't think voting mattered.
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W is lucky if the country doesn't completely flush down the toilet in the next 100 days. If that isn't a measure of his presidency, then I don't know what is.
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If you could read, you'd find that IT ISN'T LIBERAL REVENGE
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stupid fucking video
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tell the fucker who's boos
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Again, I didn't say he was the worst in history, I said that he could arguably be. That means, you could make the argument. Ultimately HISTORY will decide, not me.
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Nailed W with that.
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Yo Harry, I don't know if this is part of your reach. But is there ANY way in hell, us folks in Australia can get to see 'W' before Fenruary of next year without buying a damn ticket to the States or downloading a bootleg? Why should we have to wait so damn long?
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Never understood your pov on Thandie Newton. Always felt the 'Beloved' review was flawed based on your opinion of her performance. After 'Crash' and 'RocknRolla' she seems to get much respect. Your review here suggests she nailed Conde's persona. Has your view changed?
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Well. It is. Isn't it?
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Thanks Harry! Might send in my thoughts.
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Hmm ... lessee ... who could we say was the worst US president ever? We got Franklin Pierce who was a raging alcoholic. James Buchanan who essentially let the nation be torn apart and fall into the Civil War. Then there's Warren G. Harding who slept with a zillion women and also had the Teapot Dome scandal (for which, my 7th grade self curses him. I hated memorizing that boring piece of history.). Let's face it: Ulysses S. Grant was a stooge. Nixon is hated by many, but I liked his movie (wait, that was Oliver Stone, too!). Andrew Jackson was an asshole. Personally, I think GWB's reign has been pretty horrendous, so I'd slap him on the list, too. The sad thing is, two of those guys we have on our money. What up, nation?!!
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What's he smoking? Conservatives won't see this no matter what, and those of left of center don't want to sit through a movie about a President they don't like.
So Stone just basically made this for himself and his friends. Yawn. There's nothing more boring than a political screed dressed up as a movie. -
People will take what they will from politics. Some people will quickly point out how W is the worst prez ever. Others will be quick to defend him. Point is, why bother voicing either side if there's zero chance of changing someone else's mind? I could sit here and saw GW Bush is the worst president in history. If you don't agree, how can I possibly change your mind in a message board?
Here's the thing: There's a movie coming out on Friday that sounds like it can be fun. The rest of the banter should just be put to rest.
As for those who don't like when Harry posts political opinion. Get your own damn site and stop trying to tell him what to post on his -
I am a Goldwater conservative( in other words i don't like the neo-cons either , I think they are psuedo-cons) i was digging your review until you resorted to making fun how people look. In my 35 years of life it's one thing I hear liberals do a lot about the GOP. It really diminishes any argument you may have and is just a cheap shot. Plus , Laura Bush looks like a friends really nice mom who works at the library!
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I'm quite looking forward to this. W has let me down in many ways (and been one of the few presidents to completely alienate both sides of the aisle) but I'm always interested in engaging personal stories. It sounds like a very fair portrait of the man. I hope it's as good as you claim, Harry.
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I'm quite looking forward to this. W has let me down in many ways (and been one of the few presidents to completely alienate both sides of the aisle) but I'm always interested in engaging personal stories. It sounds like a very fair portrait of the man. I hope it's as good as you claim, Harry.
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Dude, you TOTALLY stole that comparison from me!!! Ha. Yesterday I told a friend that I thought, and hope, that W. would be more in the vein of ED WOOD than Nixon or even Strangelove...btw Harry I just got laid off, need a writer for writing's sake???
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It happened one month before the 2000 election.I've come to be downright proud of having been called that by him, in retrospect :-)
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How did that happen?
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4got to comment on the "worst Prez ever" thing. Glad to see someone mentioned Buchanan. He's from my hometown, Lancaster Pa, and he is prob the worst. Jackson may have been an asshole but he ACCOMPLISHED quite a bit. Other than that, I concur. Sorry for two talkbacks in a row.
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O ? OPRAH ? i didnt know she was running for president...but if she did she could offer every american a free car or something if she got elected...if O was for OBAMA, ur seriously smoking.....ive said it before and ill say it again..this country will never elect a black man to the presidency....at least not in our lifetimes...so W is gettin us ready for M
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...It may have said that it "isn't a film about liberal revenge," but the rest of the review paints exactly that...liberal revenge.
Maybe it's just Harry's bias getting in the way...whatever it is...it's a Netflixer for me. -
I was a reporter with a small, independent newspaper and I had an invitation to the Republican rally before the Presidential Debate at Wake Forest University.Bush found out about my being there along with another reporter, and he didn't like it that we were with non-corporate media. You could say that both of our news outlets were "alternative" even though there's a bit of a negative connotation to that term. I can vouch that the outfit I was with certainly had a rep for hard-nosed investigative journalism, but that wasn't why I was there. I got an invitation courtesy of a Republican official who was glad to have me there.Then Bush found out we were there and apparently didn't want unquantifiable reporters who might possibly ask him really hard questions. I heard later that his words were "haul those assholes out of here". One of his goons confronted me, asked for my invite and tore it to pieces. He threatened me with violent reprisal unless I left, and the other reporter and I were soon escorted off the premises at gunpoint (courtesy of the local gendarmerie, on orders from the Bush Campaign goon squad).That night opened my eyes. I told people beginning then that this country would not resemble anything we had come to know, if Bush became President. Eight years later, it saddens me that that estimation was spot-on.For what it's worth, I'm non-partisan to the extreme. And I don't have a dog in this year's hunt either. Not one of the major parties has demonstrated that they are after anything but power. And having not only voted since I was first eligible but also having run for office and been the treasurer of a state-wide campaign, I think I'm more than qualified to make that observation. But what Bush has done in the past eight years, has been far and away the most irresponsible administration in living American memory.
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http://tinyurl.com/2a4mzwMight have been the first time in history that anyone ran for school board by using the Death Star :-P
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Fuck that. Bush is the Ratner of presidencies. Let's get a Brett Ratner biopic. I vote Jonah Hill to play Ratner.
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Uwe Boll: The Boxing Biopic
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About a year too short! Did he just now realize it? Just like how he thought the economy was strong on the day of one of the biggest economic crash. Seriously the man is REALLY out of touch.
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Ollie with his hand up Harry, moving his lips...
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I hope Mr. Stone directs WS2.
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Nah. Racism is about money. Racists will hate for money and steal for money and they sure as hell will vote for money. Racists come in all financial classes. 95% of racists get lower taxes for voting for Obama. Obama is going to win in a landslide and they are going to be calling it the "Obama effect" when a black man wins far more than he polls for because of the racists who won't admit they will vote for him in public, but pull that level for lower taxes in the booth.
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I am looking forward to this movie. And god help us if McCain/Palin win. Might as well kiss your ass goodbye right now.
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Can we see pictures! I'll bet you looked so cute in your chaps and your hat and your widdle boots!I'm not joking or trying to be snide. I am just seriously curious to see if there is any media capturing such a time in your life. And if so, PLEASE SHOW US!
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than this movie. Talk about capitalizing on the times. His presidency isn't even over yet.I'm sure I will see it eventually but it kind of bugs me how much this just seems like a cash grab.
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What's the carbon footprint of this total waste of film? They probably could have saved a couple of hundred kids from starvation with the catering budget alone.What's my point?Stone should have donated the money to Obama rather than waste valuable resources on this Bush-Hater spank-bank film that almost no one will see.NO ONE gives a fuck about what made Bush the complete fuck-up that he is. NO ONE wants to relive any of the moments of Bush's life or presidency.NO ONE EXCEPT the rabid-Bush-Hating-one-note dick riders who salivate over every nasty-bush-is-a-baby-rapist article that they can find. Mental masturbation for those obsessed with hating Bush and blaming him for every ill and wrong in the world.Why was this film made? It's not important, necessary, enlightening, meaningful, or insightful. Was it just so Bush-haters can say "Yeah, he's an idiot and I hate him...but I can see why you'd have a beer with him." WTF
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I know many people who don't, but I still think the performances and film-making standards will be pretty damn high. It's an Oliver Stone film for fuck sake! If you like the man's art, you watch it no matter what it's about.
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Seriously...I cant stand this shit. Nobody gives a flying fuck about your political views. You just alienate a big portion of your audiece when you say shit like this. Ill be reading my reviews elsewhere for a bit.
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...lipstick. If this has proven anything its that people sure do love ignorance, especially if its coming from a pretty face and/or born-again Christian. Oh, and the real reason Banks was cast as Laura? Because Stone, like much of Hollywood and America, has taken up the belief that women are so much better than men, that they are beautiful perfect angels for having to "put up" with them, and thus, excluded from any kind of criticism ...like being so unbelievably stupid to marry a spoiled Texas moron and sitting back WATCHING him destroy the country with a vacant smile on your face.
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that Harry was going to love this movie and than feel the need to squirt his man juice on Brolin. This movie could have been directed by Uwe Boll and Harry would have loved it like he loves 70s Asian porn. As far as the elction, we're screwed either way. Barack is about as patriotic as Benedict Arnold and McCain has one foot on a banana peel and the other in the grave.
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...of some recent McCain/Palin rallies in Ohio and rural Pennsylvania and it is some decidedly disturbing shit. Listen to some of these fuckers. Straight up uninformed, racist, fat-bodies. It's unbelievable how oblivious they seem to the harm they're doing to their own ticket.
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Is much worse then Nixon in my opinion. Carter was in over his head from the very beginning,but worse than Bush? In my lifetime (37 yrs), Carter is the only president who walked the walk when it came to his faith. I'm agnostic myself, but I always respected the way he truly seemed to believe in his God. It's so ironic that the republicans continue to trash a man, who was trying to lead this nation as a true christian as weak, when all they talk about these days is how buddy buddy they are with Jesus. I think all presidents should be Agnostic. Religion tends to cloud the mind, and Bush is one cloudy sumbitch!
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actually, it's not 90% made up. (ironically, you just made that up, didn't you?) it's culled from a lot of memoirs, with mostly just locations and smaller things changed for the sake of brevity and clarity in the script.read for yourself:
http://tinyurl.com/54cs8c
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He's endorsed Bush, campaigned for him, and accepted Bush's endorsement. When is the last time you've heard him talk about what he disagrees with the Bush administration specifically? He never actually said Bush was doing a poor job at running the country, until today, now that he's deperately behind. But we're now buying anything he's selling anymore. He's not the maverick we once knew. He needs to go back to being that guy, it suited him better, and not be President. That's the best thing he could do at this point.
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...other than "League of Nations!" or "WWI!"? Woodrow Wilson was a douchebag of the highest order. He sold out every man woman and child in America (and soon to be the world) to the bankers when he pushed for and signed the Federal Reserve Act. Secondly, he sent thousands of young American boys to their deaths in shithole Central American countries to prop up corporate interests and tin-pot dictators. Thirdly, he opposed women's suffrage until the day he was forced to sign it into law by Congress and the public. He was one of the original cockbag imperial "unitary" executives. "Worst President in History" is a small, but distinguished list. Don't be too quick throw W to the bottom. He's close, sure, but others, like Jackson, Buchanan, Johnson, Nixon, or Grant were just as bad in their own ways and in their own times. Some were incompetent, some were nefarious, some got lots of people killed needlessly, and some were all three.
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Idiots voted the guy in and helped fuck up the country, I don't think they want to make it number one at the box office. Hell, if you voted for this guy I don't think you have any real cerebral intellect anyway. Knock yourself out.
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A governor, a canny, shrewd manipulator with a mean streak who practices politics of division while appearing to be a down home folksy person behind a facade of ignorance and lack of intellectual curiosity. Also, a puppet for the people really running the Republican party these days.
As Patton Oswalt says, Bush fans are like Creed fans. At this point there's just no defense, it's just embarassing.
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You are right. It's those oblivious, disturbing, uninformed, racist, fat-bodies at the McCain/Palin rallys that are driving undecided voters away.
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http://tinyurl.com/3hhwyv
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Ed Wood should and did hold that camera, and his own unique quirks and knacks, the weird singularity of his movies and himself, i wouldn't have them any other way.
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What a fucking surprise. Due to the subject matter Harry would have loved it if Uwe Boll directed it.
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I don't care either way. It's just interesting to me how you always mention that in a political thread.
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He could have included this final chapter with the whole global economy finally collapsing where W comes to his senses and goes against everything his administration had previously stood for in terms of economics in an attempt to fix it.
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It DEFINITELY cements Bush's "Worst. Prez. EVAR" title.
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"I’m on record of feeling that George W Bush is definitely the worst President of my 36 year life time and arguably the worst in American History. ". No. Jimmy Carter. Bush is Abe Lincoln compared to the complete failure that was the Carter administration.
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"You are right. It's those oblivious, disturbing, uninformed, racist, fat-bodies at the McCain/Palin rallys that are driving undecided voters away." Sorry, but all the disturbing, uninformed, racist, fat-bodies are backing Obama.
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...Carter does not remotely compare. You have to go all the way back to James Buchanan. Carter didn't even land you in a quagmire waste of life and resources war like Iraq. Also, while failing to handle an economic crisis, he didn't cause it like Bush. Not that being "not as bad as Bush" is a ringing endoresement or anything.
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I'd like to make a big bet w/ you Harry on that one. Even if Brolins great in the role.
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And before Dems start to unload on me, let me preface by stating that even though I voted for Bush in 2004, I do agree with Vincent Bugliosi's book Prosecuting GWB for Murder. While I have zero compassion for any of the terrorists who are compelled to murder women and children just because God told them to (and please no "We did it to them first" bullshit; listen and read speeches by imams all over the world where they proclaim death to all who do not believe in Islam) and love it when we give them some of their own medicine, I do agree that the whole Iraq war was a bunch of shit and that Bush did start the war with Iraq by making shit up. Bugliosi makes a coherent and fact-checked argument for this and I am not partisan enough to not agree with him when the facts speak for themselves. That being said, while Stone can be utterly insane when it comes to making a historical film where reality does not jibe with anything he throws at the screen (sorry, there was NO CONSPIRACY to kill JFK, again Bugliosi makes an insanely exhaustive argument for this in his bible-like study), I think that his Nixon is a brilliant, brilliant film. For all the talk about slander and liber slant, I think Nixon is a compassionate and deeply moving film about a man who had greatness in him but lost it all when his demons overtook him. I think Stone (and this is reflected in his commentary for the movie) really felt sorry for Nixon and did not see him as a demonic, cardboard figure to ridicule and spit on. Some of the facts are off in Nixon, but I really do love the movie as a tragic character study. And W looks to be in the same vein. Granted, W is far from being a tragic character, and he is much too relaxed and easygoing to make for a compelling enigmatic figure that Nixon was, but his life is pretty fascinating and Josh Brolin continues to impress me more and more with each new film he film he works in. This looks like a really fun movie and I think that people really should reserve their judgment until after they see the film.
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are managers. We are all entering an era of corporate political goverance.
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Mccain has built his political life on a lie. Surely moralistic Republicans will conveniently turn a blind eye to this fact, eh? Of course they will.
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Yeah well, it happened. And it's the kind of thing that's not supposed to happen in America at all. It's not something peculiar to "one side of the aisle" either. People like Bush (and too many other politicians that you could no doubt readily name) come before us alleging that they want to be our *servants*. What do they do with the little power that we trust them with? They run amok with it, get corrupted by it and they DON'T think twice about hurting *anyone* that they perceive might get in their way. "Public servants" my ass...Like I said, it's not supposed to happen in America. Had the politician in question been a Democrat, it would have bothered me just as much. It's well past time that we stop trusting these people solely on the basis of their having an "R" or a "D" stamped next to their names on a ballot.
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Oct 14, 2008 5:02:39 AM CDT
The years I spent in North Texas – dealing with Oil men ......
by masteryoda007
Who the fuck ae you now Harry? J.R. Ewing? You have never done a real days work in your life!
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and KnightShift. Where are the Churchills, Washingtons, Teddy Roosevelts and Lincolns of our time? Hell, even though JFK had his share of problems, there is no question that the man had integrity and honor and deep love and respect for this country. And Kennedy stood up and accepted blame when shit hit the fan. Where is the accountability today??? Where are leaders with backbone and strong moral fabric? Nelson Mandela was in jail for over 30 years for refusing to give up his convictions. Can you imagine ANYONE in politics doing this today? The problem is that politicians are devoted to the party and not the people of this country. They talk like they are, but it's clear they are not. This is not at all related to what this site is about, but I just wanted to commiserate with my fellow movie geeks.
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They were freer men of more desperate and defining times. Today, we leave no chance for anyone to be that level of person. If Washington were around today, we would have court-marshalled him for lack of military results (he wasn't great until near THE END of the Revolution, kids ...)Lincoln WAS the George W. of his day: Hated, reviled, mocked and, eventually, murdered. All for trying to unite a nation and, begrudgingly, freeing slaves. These men were the product of their times, good and bad, but they still shined through.
Now, tossing JFK in there is like tossing a turd in an otherwise edible salad: He's known for getting shot. Everything that came before was dipped in gold once his brain left his head. No honor there. Ask anyone who knows anything about Marilyn Monroe or the Mafia.
Folks, we don't have heroes because we aren't willing to BE heroes. We let other people step in with no discernable opinion of their own, with no credibility other than their self-image, and let them tell us how WE need to be.
(This is aimed at both Liberals AND Conservatives.)
I pray to God Obama doesn't go in as much as I don't want McCain.
I want someone who isn't going to turn America into a new socialist state ("Spread the Wealth?" Lenin would be proud...) as much as I don't want someone who's going to pick fights with the free world.
The more I've studied history, the more I've become dissappointed in our present. And no, I don't blame W. for it. I blame us. ALL of us.
You want heroes again? Be one...
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Now Harry, hmmm. Will the TB's ever forgive him for the debacle that is ScriptGirl?
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Oct 14, 2008 6:33:52 AM CDT
Bush is Bush, you guys voted him in... TWICE...
by unionjackass.webs.com
so..........
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Democracy kicks ass. :rolls eyes:
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you are a fucking idiot and have no clue what your talking about. John McCain was tortured daily for 5 years and even refused to go home when the chance presented it. I wouldnt vote for the guy but he is a hero in every sense of the word.
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They don't make them like they used to - http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/Yalta_summit_1945_with_Churchill%2C_Roosevelt%2C_Stalin.jpg
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And it's one genre he does right time after time...
Nixon,
JFK,
even Salvador
and to a lesser extent Alexander.
He "gets it" and is the perfect storyteller for this project.
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How's the fitness and recovery going after the surgery? Hopefully, okay. Your chosen career though, does not lend itself to fitness....
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That should probably go to Richard Nixon. I think history will record him as having a very successful first term, and an awful second term. I think he's the one president that went from being a good, solid president to a lame duck disaster with dismal approval ratings between 1st and 2nd terms.
BTW, there has never been any actual evidence that Bush did coke. In fact, the guy who wrote the book that came from turned out to be a pathological liar who had tried to blow his wife up by wiring her car with a bomb, told everybody he was writing a new James Bond novel with the approval of the Fleming estate (they had never heard of him) and had even done a vanity publishing version of it, complete with misspellings, to show people. He's admitted to being an alcoholic, though. -
but looking at the trailer, it sure does seem to hit on every liberal stereotype of who they think the Bush administration is. Even Harry's description of Laura Bush reeks of such judgement.
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That fat liberal fucktard Harry liked the movie! Didn't see that one coming.
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Oct 14, 2008 8:58:02 AM CDT
Actually Laura Bush is the best looking 1st Lady all the way bac
by mjayace
And that is a fact whether you are liberal or conservative... Some of they were good looking when they were younger but while in office? Easily Laura Bush...
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Bush isn't the worst president in American history. Why not do a little more research and read about Andrew Johnson or Zachary Taylor? And remember when we look back at history, FDR and JFK weren't all that great either.
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Just to remind you, in the months after the horrible attack on the World Trade Centre, the WHOLE WORLD reached out in sympathy towards America. 'We're all Americans now' etc etc. It was a chance to build bridges, to change the course of history. Within 5 years, America was as hated by the international community as it has ever been. And it's all down to the choices made by the administration.
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Oct 14, 2008 9:19:30 AM CDT
This was one of Harry's better reviews - it was fair and balance
by toadkillerdog
I am often critical of Harry's over-the-top reviews. And without a doubt he too often allows his personal feelings and or relationships with those involved in the films he reviews to eclispse his better judgement. But this one felt genuine. The anecdotes about his father being involved in the Republican party, to his encounters with GWB -and as someone who met GWB, and still did not vote for him, I can attest that he absolutely has the a very winning 'redneck charm' about him. To the way he actually reviewed Stone's direction of being fair and balanced. That jibes with all I have read about the flick, that Stone - perhaps chastened by the negative reaction to his re-writing of history in his past bio-flicks, attempted to make a more realistic portrayal. I may actually see this movie - which is a helluva lot more than I would have expected when I first heard Stone was making it. The only director I avoid more than Stone is Michael Moore.
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Oct 14, 2008 9:33:36 AM CDT
I need to see this film as if my sanity depends on it!!!!
by crashbarbarian
My fellow americans, i am conservative, i feel that abortion is murder and should be abolished, i feel that capitalism with checks and balances is the correct model for a great economy, i feel that limited government and less spending is the only way we can keep our economy strong and our resolve stronger, i feel that a strong military is important in keeping our foothold in a nuclear world, and i feel that GEORGE BUSH has destroyed everything that every conservative spending, small government, responsible military minded president has done to make America great in the past 30 years! I voted for him twice and i need to know why he has done what he has done and for who's sake! I hope this film answers that for us all!
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I sort of took the casting as showing us what Laura would look like in W's eyes.
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Oct 14, 2008 9:48:22 AM CDT
BUSH WAS NOT THE WORST, WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON WAS.
by bringingsexyback
Just kidding. Of course Bush is the worst. You can't hide the obvious.
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The left of the world hate America.
I've been to China, Israel. I have friends who live/ have lived in Turkey, Kyrgyzstan, Peru, The Ivory Coast, Australia... they all say the same thing. Most people love America.
Why do you think Germany, Italy, and France have all elected undeniably pro-American leaders in the past several years?
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I thought it was a pointless exercise and had no desire to see it! I'm not a Bush fan nor a Republican, but I'm just kind of over Bush Parodies and for me, the joke isn't funny anymore. Every preview I have seen of W makes me want to see it more and more. It really does look great! I love Brolin and frankly, I always enjoy Stone's movies (not Alexander though...) and think it is going to be a solidly entertaining movie.
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Sorry but a balanced portrait of the special needs President is not what he deserves. The man who divided the nation in pursuit of oil and world hegemony at all costs needs to be viewed with a critical eye.
I don't give a shit about his personal struggles with Jeb, the bottle, Papa Bush and his mommy, just as they don't give a shit about the people they governed or had killed.
Laura's a fucking robot. I miss the Oliver Stone who made Wall Street and JFK. RIP that guy.
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You can't do a Dubya movie without Jeff Gannon. That's like doing a Bill Clinton movie without Monica Lewinsky.
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I reject this notion as utter bullshit. The past and present has already decided W's fate as the worst President of all time and a war criminal to boot. This is a man who divided the country down the center instead of uniting it in the wake of tragedy, illegally invaded a sovereign nation based on intelligence he had manufactured that has resulted in thousands of deaths, and destroyed any standing or good will the country had in the world. What is there for history to decide exactly?
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Or do we get a fresh one?
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Attractice? Nope. Give me Eleanor! I'd hit it.
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It should suffice for political venting until tomorrow.
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Life is strangely empty without a poli talkback.
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I can't even get the CoC going. And I've written off Zeroes so I refuse to comment there. Shitty day on AICN.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRqcfqiXCX0
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so he won't win the Oscar.
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I've been a really big fan of him along the way, up until about a year and a half ago. (i won't go into to detail about why). But I feel like hollywood in general has given him a hard time. yeah, he's not the brightest man to sit behind the oval office desk. but he's no evil tyrant, like some people want to paint him to be. he's just... slow. has he made bad choices? most definitely. has he done things i don't agree with on any level whatsoever? abso-fucking-lutely. but he has his good qualities too. there's a reason he won two elections. and his approval rating means next to nothing. do i approve of the job he's doing? hell no. but if i had the chance to vote again today, i'd still pick Dubya over Kerry or Gore. all that said, i wasn't going to see this film in theaters, but after reading this review, i most definitely will. Harry, this will be the real litmus test for how biased you are. if i see the film, and feel the same way you do about it, then it will be a great film indeed. i'm checking this one out as soon as possible. and now i look forward to the next four years, as we live under Obama's rule. if hollywood isn't biased, then lets roll out the Obama parody left and right. i want constant nailing by the daily show, i want snl skits laughing (not with) but at him, and i want comedy central to launch a lil' barry spinoff cartoon. ok... i know none of that will happen. because Barry simply isn't as fun to watch as Dubya. But we'll see. who knows?
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We actually look at you like a retarded cousin that we strangely like. The fact you voted for this complete arsehole TWICE is a source of amusement to us, and if this election is even close then all your doing is living up to the global stereotype of America as Lenny from of Mice and Men (big, strong and dim).
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...or both.
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What the hell? An al Jazeera video? Do they have an American bureau? Why was the guy speaking English?
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"I’m on record of feeling that George W Bush is definitely the worst President of my 36 year life time and arguably the worst in American History. On a personal level, I hate the guy. He may be “Born Again,” but in his eyes I still see the coke-snorting alcoholic Frat Rat that he was in his youth. I hold the Presidency as a place for intelligent, wise and thoughtful folks. Going with your gut bullshit isn’t how to govern or lead this country, much less the world."
Because we all know Harry Knowles is the authority on what makes a strong President. I'm not saying Bush is by any means the best ever, but look at the situation he was thrust into. How would you have handled it, Harry? As someone who works for the government, regardless of the political leanings of the administration, I'm going to politely say that you'd have been a fat, miserable fucking failure. Keep the bullshit political posturing out the movie reviews and just review the fucking movie, for God's sake. Your opinions on government have about as much political weight as my shit. -
WHO GIVES A SHIT WHO IS BEHIND THE CAMERA??? The footage itself is truth enough. The reporter didn't even provide commentary until the very last 5 seconds.
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Say what you will about Harry's views on politics, but you're the dumb fuck that takes the time to respond.
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Didn't you read my post? I work for the government. I have all the free time in the world. And I gotta say, you're quite the tough guy on a faceless internet talkback.
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Harry once again demonstrates the hateful, intolerant nature that is quite becoming of the liberal thudocracy.
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You may be fat, but you are a great judge of character. Anyone with half a brain knew that Bush was a somewhat evil fellow and the last 8 years has proved it to some of those half-brained folks who put him and kept him in office.
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Oct 14, 2008 11:09:38 AM CDT
It's just more leftist propaganda bullshit from Hollywood
by curious jorge
When Clinton was in office, we got movies like The American President, Air Force One, and Independence Day, that all show the president in a very positive light. When a Republican is in office, we get crap like W and That's My Bush.
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Despite the typical fiery liberal preamble, this was actually a pretty even-handed review. Good to see that the movie apparently shows both sides of the coin. I'll be checking this out, though I'll wait till I'm back in the conservative confines of Shreveport later this month, where, by the way, this little flick was shot. The Alamo D-house would be a great venue, but It gets a little tiring being the only Republican living in the People's Socialist Republic of Austin.
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Take a pill bro. We're on the same side. Just do me a favor and do not send al Jazeera videos of Republicans to any swing voters. Not helping my friend. Even if the content is there, all any moron will see and hear is al Jazeera.
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I'm not tough at all. Show me one fucking post where I threatened someone or spoke about my toughness? Oh....you can't? Fuck off. When a dumb mother fucker such as yourself opens his ignorant pie-hole, sure as fuck I'm gonna stick my dick in it and call him out on it.
Please explain this line to me....
"As someone who works for the government, regardless of the political leanings of the administration, I'm going to politely say that you'd have been a fat, miserable fucking failure."
As someone who works for the government? So let me get this straight....you attack Harry for stating his personal opinion of Bush and then proceed to state why Harry isn't qualified to do so being a fat, unsuccessful movie writer bla bla bla. So Harry (a citizen of the U.S.) is not qualified to speak on the job Bush has done for the past 8 years, yet you are qualified to speak on the success or failures of Harry's life? Because you are "Someone who works for government" ? Hahaha. Thanks for the laugh man, you hypocritical piece of shit. For one thing it is pathetic you feel the need to drop your credentials to add weight to your post. And the very notion of someone taking the time to post a rant in defense of Bush is just disgusting and painfully hilarious.
If you don't like Harry's political leanings to the left-- then here is some advice. Fuck off. Develop a scorching case of Melanoma and swallow a mouthful of my sweet urine while on your death bed, you stupid fucking TWAT. -
You represent everything the rest of the world hates about our country. You should be proud. You pasty fucking abortion.
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I can't saw what Harry would have done, but I wouldn't have invaded the wrong country for starters, or manufactured intelligence to do so. And if you want to know what makes Harry an authority on what makes a strong President, dillweed, let me tell you. It's called the United States Constitution. You know? The thing the Republicans having been wiping their fat asses with the last eight years?
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I know that is not a definitive portrayal of every midwesterner/rural american republican, but goddamn. I've been an ex-pat for the past 2.5 years so the U.S. has already started to become a kind of bloated caricature of itself in my mind, but if that's any indication of the mindset of approx. 40% of the U.S. voting constituency, then our country is truly fucked.
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im am STOKED for this movie...the trailers are hi-fucking-larious and Josh Brolin nails the voice and swagger of W. itching to see this, it looks like good fun and it'll be interesting to see a movie about the life of a president everyone loved to elect but hated being president. anyway, im gonna go watch the last bit of Harold and Kumar Escape From Guantanemo Bay before i go see this...that impersonination of Bush in H and K was just TOO much.
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...so I'm sure we're all gonna get a nuanced, reasonable performance.
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Discuss the movie rather than the election or Harry's politics, etc.?
Maybe?
Just perhaps?
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Clinton was still in power when Primary Colours came out? If so then your argument collapses under the weight of your mindless party support.
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The tendency for hyperbole inherent in fanboyism has now transcended entertainment and hit the real world. "Worst episode ever" has now become "worst president ever." And it's not surprising--the tendency in our culture towards exaggeration and hyperbole is one of the most annoying things the internet generation is bringing to the mainstream. It's no longer good enough to say someone is "wrong," they have to be "evil." Hence we get such delicious epithets as "the aborted fetus that is Dubya." As much as I love the fact that younger generations today are becoming more politically aware, it disturbs me that both sides lean toward such extremism. I got news for you folks--Dubya is not evil, Obama is not a marxist, Cheney is not the antichrist, Pelosi is not a witch, and Palin is not a hatemonger. But for some reason the cultural climate not only embraces these ridiculous claims, it encourages them. As a result, more and more people get their understanding of political realities from people who have no real political savvy or know-how, since they are drawn to extremist views like Michael Bay to slow motion.
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http://tinyurl.com/46lavd
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Oct 14, 2008 12:04:03 PM CDT
Gasoline is down a buck thirty a gallon...
by half-baked-goggle-box-do-gooder
Now THERE'S a sure sign the Republicans are losing the election...
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Sounds like a Bond villain...
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Oct 14, 2008 12:18:00 PM CDT
"I want someone who isn't going to turn America into a new socia
by shan
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Was supposed to be the last part of that subject line ...
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right ...
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Um...both parties are doing it.
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I'm sure Nancy Pelosi was all broken up about the whole thing...
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Thanks for proving my point.
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... 23 percent approval rating. 3 more words... lower than Nixon. To quote Stan Lee... "'Nuff said!"
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...Primary Colors and Wag The Dog don't ring a bell? Selective memory, maybe? Or is the tinfoil wrapped around your skull getting too loose?
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You have no comparable basis to support your point vis-a-vis Palin. Everything else you said ... okay, it's arguable. I give you that. But Palin is bona fide hate-monger.
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Ofcourse it is. It isn't fun to call people stupid if they don't hear it. Saying this movie isn't just for angry liberals is so that moderate and right leaning people will be tricked into seeing it.
Watch the interviews with actors. They are so angry. This is an I hate Bush and Republicans movie. See it if you need to angry liberals.
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That was awesome! Did your fathers' touch you in the naughty areas when you were children? I know you're just a couple of fat kids sitting in your parent's basement or something, so I can't really get too amped up about what a guy with a reference to cock in his logon name who thinks he comes off as an ironically detached neo-liberal rebel and uses a lot of swear words his dad probably threw at him when he was a kid says about me. Believe it or not, you're actually part of what makes this country awesome: a couple of pimple-faced douchebag ass clowns who thought it was cool to rebel against the parents who undoubtedly paid for everything you've ever owned, probably work at a fucking starbucks (actually I hope so, daddy won't pay for your shit forever, like he did the computer you're typing on) or something and talk like fucking experts about shit they can't even comprehend. Oh, let me beat you to the punch: "Just_John, you're such a twat mother fucker! Please choke on my pee-pee while you ride a goat's fuckhole!! You big pile of afterbirth!!" Or however that was gonna go. What a couple of fucking idiots you are. Here's a news flash: you don't matter, and you never will. No one will ever love you, women will slam their legs shut from coast to coast at your mere approach, and you will die alone. You're flipping out and calling someone a twat on a fucking movie talkback forum. All I did was get pissed that Harry's review was politically rather than cinematically motivated. Jesus, I can't believe I've wasted this much time with a couple of fucking hemrrhoids like you. I'm done.
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Jesus Christ that was a long fucking post. I only got as far as the fat kid in the basement bit and I had to stop. I hope you went on to mention I jerk off to Michael Bay movies and my keyboard is covered in Cheeto crumbs. Its the little details that matter. Either way-- you're a dumb fuck. Your words are like period blood and I can give a fuck what you think about me. Hope you enjoy the next four years under President Obama.
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Has a nice ring to it doesn't it. I'll just call him P.O. for short.
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I love these fuckers that use the "Fat kid in basement" stereotype, suggesting I have no life and then proceed to write a fucking essay detailing why I have no life. Thanks. Fucking loser. Oh I'm sorry...you work for the government, I shouldn't say such things. -
...I'm going to watch Fox News every day and laugh my ass off watching all those neocon pundits heads exploding for the next 8 years. It will be a sight to see.
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sure are fun aren't they???...this is why i don't give a shit about politics, its no different than the politics seen in high-schools with class presidents blah blah blah...a popularity pissing contest and when they get elected, its usually let down after let down. sorry, too much time and energy gets wasted thinking about how this or that moron is gonna "run" the country. sorry, im just not IN to this sorta thing...i'm sure somebody will claim im "part of the problem" for not caring...but you know...WHAT-the-FUCK-ever
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Oct 14, 2008 1:23:20 PM CDT
DEVELOPING STORY ... PALIN HOUSE BUILT BY MALL CONTRACTOR
by bringingsexyback
There's an investigation about her house, which she had built bypassing permits, was built by the contractor (for free) whom she gave the Wasilla mall construction job to. Look for it to come up in next few weeks.
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But he never suspended Habeas Corpus. He never called the Constitution "just a piece of paper." Bush has seriously, and maybe permantly, damaged our constitutional foundation. For God's sake, we're now having a serious debate about which branch of the government the VP is part of! Carter was in way over his head, but he left the foundation of the country intact.
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Harry, you utilize the phrase "that said" almost as much as you do the elipses. But we are here to help. Mix it up a bit by using phrases such as: "setting that aside for a moment...", "but aside from that...", "but nevermind all that because...", "taking the contrary view..." "in any case..." unless, of course, your reviews are actually written by manatees and just pasted together from old language reviews. In that case... carry on!
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"It sounds like a very fair portrait of the man."
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"Read my lips, dotcha know!"
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At least thats what Harry thinks. Right? Riiiiiiiiiiiight? Go fuck yourself. I hate you Harry, I personally hate you. Do you even know anything about history? Then you will know that the Presidency has been full of questionable people throughout history. Ever hear of Andrew Jackson? Dude straight up slaughtered and executed Indians personally. Too early in history for you? How about Carter's stellar presidency? Hot dammit I am sick of everyone that just likes to say "I hate W, he sucks", etc. Fucking think for yourselves assholes! If you love or hate either side wholeheartedly, then you are just another sheep.
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Oct 14, 2008 1:44:38 PM CDT
PALIN UNLEASHES HER HOLIER-THAN-THOU SPIRIT ON OWN SUPPORTERS
by bringingsexyback
AP RICHMOND, Va. — Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin mistook some of her own fans for hecklers Monday at a rally that drew thousands.
A crowd spread across the parking lot of Richmond International Raceway, and scores of people on the outer periphery more than 100 yards from the stage could not hear.
"Louder! Louder!" they began chanting, and the cry spread across the crowd to Palin's left. Some pointed skyward, urging that the volume be increased.
Palin stopped her remarks briefly and looked toward the commotion.
"I hope those protesters have the courage and honor to give veterans thanks for their right to protest," she said.
Some in the crowd tried to shout toward her what was really being said, but she couldn't hear them.
On a sunny day in which many had stood in place for more than three hours without shade, at least 25 people collapsed from heat-related illnesses and three were hospitalized, according to the Henrico County fire department.
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does nobody care that there may be pictures of Harry McFatsypants hustling up some cattle, as he claims he did in his review? By the way, Harry, I love how every single review you have ever done HAS to tie into your own life, with some huge thing that was somehow a huge part of your childhood.
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Oct 14, 2008 1:50:44 PM CDT
AMERICAN CAROL STAR DENNIS HOPPER PRAYS FOR OBAMA VICTORY
by bringingsexyback
Oct 13, 4:14 PM ET
PARIS (AFP) - Dennis Hopper, the US actor-director perhaps best known for the 1969 road-movie "Easy Rider", is praying for victory by Barack Obama in next month's elections, he said on Monday.
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"I voted for Bush, father and son, but this time I'll vote for Obama," he told journalists at the opening of a show on his life and work at the Paris cinematheque.
Hopper is to be handed France's order of Commander of Arts and Letters by the culture minister later Monday.
"I was the first person in my family to have been Republican," he added. "For most of my life I wasn't on the left."
"I pray God, Barack Obama is elected," he said, criticising the current administration's many "lies."
The exhibition on his life includes his films as well as paintings and photographs, and works from his own art collection, including pieces by Andre Basquiat, Andy Warhol, Robert Rauschenberg and Roy Lichtenstein.
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GW is the least qualified person to ever lead an industrial nation. In sports terminology: Even with the great first place handoff he received from his predecessor, GW managed to take his nation across the finish line in last place. GW's performance as a leader is so bad it is threatening to take down other nations who have similar financial structures and followed the US's lead. All of this is unprecedented. I would compare him to Herbert Hoover, but that president was performing without any economic safety nets. What will make GW's scorched earth approach to politics (ie. "shooting from the hip" or "going with my gut") worse than Hoover's is he may very well have torched the safety net which could plummet the US to record economic lows. History will not be kind to this mediocre human who was mistakenly given great power.
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Naahhh. You're wrong W. is by far the worst. No one has done more lasting damage than he. Fuck off.
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Hahahaha, lasting damage? Really? You have a crystal ball or can just see into the future if you imagine it hard enough?
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To forecast the damage done by the wars and the ballooning national debt? One only needs a basic middle school education for that. Maybe less.
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....that he's simply a dumb, clueless, dim-witted fucknut.
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I hope it makes your dick hard when you proudly vote McCain you little puke.
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in regards to Bush's disastrous Presidency is just a set up for the Republicans to once again take credit for Democrats digging us out of another one of the Republican shitholes they've created. In eight years when Hilary is running to succeed Obama's peaceful and prosperous administration, the Republicans will be saying the reason was becasue of W's vision. HORSE. SHIT.
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Bush, surrounded by genuinely criminal motherfuckers like Cheney, Rove, etc. is just a dimwit propped up by Neo-Con agendas that have destroyed the middle-class (Hello, that's me), attempted to abort the constitution (funny, comin' from 'pro-lifers, huh?) and more. Palin is another dimwit with a touch of Delores Umbridge, a reference many AICN readers can relate too. McCain should open a waffle house, especially based on his comments and "thoughts" over the past few months. Is Bush the worst? In my lifetime yes. Even Nixon felt a quaker obligation to the poor - Bush and his ilk don't care about anyone who isn't a millionaire, hell, a multi-millionaire.
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Yeah fiction based on accounts from insiders. Oh, thats not the way it really was? You know this after spending extensive time in the Oval Office?
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/13/great.schlep/index.html
By Patrick Oppmann
CNN
TAMARAC, Florida (CNN) -- "Schlep."
A Yiddish word meaning to pull, yank or tug, schlep is a good way of describing what it took for Mike Bender to persuade his grandparents to vote for Sen. Barack Obama for president.
Bender's grandparents, Kenny and Selma Furst, 90 and 87 years old, should have been an easy sell to support the Democratic nominee for president.
Like many of the estimated 650,000 Jews living in Florida, the Fursts are lifelong, passionate Democrats and a crucial vote for any Democratic candidate hoping to win the battleground state.
But when Bender -- who is not affiliated with Obama's campaign but supports him -- brought up the idea of voting for Obama over Thanksgiving dinner last year, he was met with an uncharacteristic silence.
"Their reaction was, as they said, 'I'm a little meschugah,' " Bender said, adding that the expression meant "crazy."
For Selma Furst, voting for an African-American for president seemed unthinkable. Watch a "few little known Jewish facts" on Obama »
"I grew up with Jewish people and Italian people, but I never lived in a neighborhood that was black," she said. "Somebody said to me, 'What do you object to about him?' I said, well, truthfully, our colors are different."
Overcoming the prejudices of his grandparents' generation would be difficult, Bender realized. But he was not going to be alone.
Ari Wallach, co-executive director of Jews Vote, a Jewish advocacy group, also said he saw reluctance among some older, traditionally Democratic Jews to support Obama.
But Wallach said it wasn't just a question of race. He cited a months-long misleading Internet campaign that aimed to convince voters that Obama is a Muslim or that he would reverse the United States' policy of supporting Israel. Obama is Christian and says he backs a strong U.S.-Israel relationship.
"The older demographic particularly were being hit with tons and tons of Obama smear e-mails," Wallach said. "If you really want to talk to them in a way that will bring them over to the Obama side, you want to do it one to one, ideally with people they love. And grandparents love no one more than their grandkids."
And so the Great Schlep was born. The idea was that young, Jewish Democrats would flood Florida and convince their elders that voting for Obama was OK.
To get the word out about the Great Schlep, Wallach and his colleagues turned to comedian Sarah Silverman. Silverman makes the case for Obama in a Web video in which she attempts to show similarities -- some tenuous -- between an African-American man and an older Jewish woman. She raves about the Democratic candidate's brisket and points out that Barack comes from the Hebrew word for "lightning." Watch the Great Schlep »
The video ends with Silverman advising Obama supporters to let their grandparents know that should they fail to vote Democratic in the presidential election in November, maybe they shouldn't expect many more family visits.
The Silverman video quickly became a Web sensation, garnering about 2 million hits in the two weeks since it was posted on thegreatschlep.com, organizers said. Thousands of people pledged to call their relatives in Florida and more than 100 people volunteered to pay their own way to travel to the Sunshine State to campaign for Obama among Jewish voters, Wallach said.
Bender saw the Silverman video on YouTube in Los Angeles, California, where he works as a writer. Despite the humor of Silverman's call to schlep, the video's message resonated with Bender because of the difficulty he faced convincing his own grandparents.
"I thought it was brilliant," Bender said. He decided to go to Florida and try one more time.
When Bender recently returned to his grandparents' retirement community in Tamarac, Florida, near Fort Lauderdale, he was greeted with several surprises. Months of telephone conversations and his trip had paid off: His grandparents told him shortly after he arrived that they were going to support Obama.
The next surprise was that his schlep had generated interest around their retirement community. A lot of interest. So many other seniors wanted to hear about Obama that the venue for a meeting on the subject had to be changed from the Furst's living room to a ballroom in the community's clubhouse.
An hour before Bender started to make his case about Obama on Sunday, groups of senior citizens were staking out space in the ballroom. Soon there were more than 100 people and no more chairs.
Sporting an Obama T-shirt with Hebrew writing on it, retiree Morty Brill said, "The economy, the war, you think you can trust Republicans to fix them?"
If there were any people in the room with reservations about Barack Obama, they kept those doubts to themselves.
As Bender told the crowd that Obama was not a Muslim and that Obama was a staunch supporter of Israel, he was met with heads nodding in agreement throughout the room.
However, Bender felt the need to drive the point further. If Obama was elected, he said, then Bender would not worry so much about politics and "would have more time to find a nice Jewish girl to marry."
Whether Mike Bender's schlep really changed any minds is anyone's guess, but the applause from the crowd was deafening.
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A 'W' TB and no real vitriol. Methinks this is the result of a too heavy-handed crack down on trolls, pseudo trolls, just plain assholes, and the Troll-killers who smacked them down. LONG LIVE LIBERAL WARRIOR!!!
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Can't we all get along? Oh, I guess not, because you're determined to rant and use swear words to make your point about using swear words. I get it. It's like all those goth kids being different together. I am a 38 year old woman. I don't sit in a basement (originally from Florida...we don't have them there) and bemoan my single state. I have been married, I do social-type stuff, go out, etc. I also vote, read multiple news sources both paper and online and think about the direction we are headed, and where we have been. I do wonder, however, how you think someone could review this film about a major political figure in recent American history and not filter it through your own views on politics? I mean... I thought that the Constitution was "of the people, by the people and for the people". Last I knew, Harry was just like Soylent Green. You know... made of PEOPLE! So, being a citizen of these United States is what enables you to complain AND make better these 50 states. These two factors go hand in hand in my book. Complain, Make Better. Especially if you are of voting age, and do so when offered the opportunity. I have been a registered voter since I was 17.5 years old, and voted in the '88 elections as my first time. I am a fan of due process, learning the facts, not sending others in harm's way if it is not necessary, holding people accountable, and working together to keep the fabric of this great nation together. Saying you work for the Government doesn't excuse your rant. Heck, it makes me think why aren't you doing more? You made a comment about working for the Gov't and having time on your hands to do these ranty-posts... If this is how MY tax money is being spent, please just quit now, save me my $2.50 and get a job on a soapbox. Better yet, become the sandwich-board guy, with your rants posted for all to see. There has been enough divisiveness these last years, no matter who you chose this time out, they both promise to be better at inclusiveness. Let those promises be what we use to put back together what was torn apart 40 years ago. Let America not continue to be the world's Police Force, (with, frankly, less and less moral authority to use its force with) but its friend, helping and not harming. A friend said to me "I believe in the myth of the American Dream". Not the Dream, but the myth. Myth is what inspires writers, students and those with a love of 'what can be' Let's get back to that, can we?
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They were talking about him smoking on CNN the other day and they showed footage from the primary election where he is taking questions from reporters. One reporter asks, "How did you quit? I'm trying to quit myself..." Obama yells "NICORETTE GUM!! Here....try one!" And pulls his pack of gum out of his pocket and rips off a piece and throws it into the crowd at the guy. It was pretty fucking funny.
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I thought about that. I think even some of the most ardent wingnuts have been put off by the sights and sounds of the McCain/Palin campaign and are put off by it. They've realized that the line of decency was crossed into dangerous territory, and they want no association with the violent factions on the Right. To which I say ... thank you.
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But since I'm 27 and was born in 1981 I've only lived through Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton and Bush Jr. Based on what I've learned in history and where we appear to be at today, Bush will probably end up on the short list of the worst Presidents when the dust settles, but any student of history can tell you there have been Presidents that have been just as bad, if not worse. Buchanan basically sat back and let this country descend into Civil War without putting up a fight. More Americans died in the Civil War than during any other war we've fought since. That's pretty damn bad. This country will certainly be better off after Bush than it was after Buchanan provided we get our fiscal situation under control.
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You are an angel....you wouldn't have a pic up somewhere would you? (wink wink)
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...after he spits it out. This one's good for a few laughs too.
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This one is fucking huge.
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This is a game-changer if ever there was one. Been nice knowing you, McCain. Sarah, have a good trip back to Wasilla.
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Looks like Oliver Stone wants to go back to Wall Street.
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Entire article: http://tinyurl.com/4qg2u7
October 14, 2008 02:49 PM
William Timmons, the Washington lobbyist who John McCain has named to head his presidential transition team, aided an influence effort on behalf of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein to ease international sanctions against his regime.
The two lobbyists who Timmons worked closely with over a five year period on the lobbying campaign later either pleaded guilty to or were convicted of federal criminal charges that they had acted as unregistered agents of Saddam Hussein's government.
During the same period beginning in 1992, Timmons worked closely with the two lobbyists, Samir Vincent and Tongsun Park, on a previously unreported prospective deal with the Iraqis in which they hoped to be awarded a contract to purchase and resell Iraqi oil. Timmons, Vincent, and Park stood to share at least $45 million if the business deal went through.
Timmons' activities occurred in the years following the first Gulf War, when Washington considered Iraq to be a rogue enemy state and a sponsor of terrorism. His dealings on behalf of the deceased Iraqi leader stand in stark contrast to the views his current employer held at the time.
John McCain strongly supported the 1991 military action against Iraq, and as recently as Sunday described Saddam Hussein as a one-time menace to the region who had "stated categorically that he would acquire weapons of mass destruction, and he would use them wherever he could."
Timmons declined to comment for this story. An office manager who works for him said that he has made it his practice during his public career to never speak to the press. Timmons previously told investigators that he did not know that either Vincent or Park were acting as unregistered agents of Iraq. He also insisted that he did not fully understand just how closely the two men were tied to Saddam's regime while they collaborated.
But testimony and records made public during Park's criminal trial, as well as other information uncovered during a United Nations investigation, suggest just the opposite. Virtually everything Timmons did while working on the lobbying campaign was within days conveyed by Vincent to either one or both of Saddam Hussein's top aides, Tariq Aziz and Nizar Hamdoon. Vincent also testified that he almost always relayed input from the Iraqi aides back to Timmons.
Talking points that Timmons produced for the lobbyists to help ease the sanctions, for example, were reviewed ahead of time by Aziz, Vincent testified in court. Proposals that Timmons himself circulated to U.S. officials as part of the effort were written with the assistance of the Iraqi officials, and were also sent ahead of time with Timmons' approval to Aziz, other records show.
Moreover, there was a major financial incentive at play for Timmons. The multi-million dollar oil deal that he was pursuing with the two other lobbyists would only be possible if their efforts to ease sanctions against Iraq were successful.
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Dontcha know!
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It certainly makes McCain look like a hypocrit, but I kind of commend those efforts to ease sanctions on Iraq. Those sanctions killed a quarter of a million Iraqi CHILDREN.
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Part of the reason there is no truth is identity and how we use it to define ourselves and our associations; in particular with political parties and their respective candidates.I could say 6 words and with those words, you would be an expert on me, my opinion, and would also be able to "know" everything I say and think. You'd know my life history with just a simple sentence. You'd know whether or not I love America or hate America. You'd know whether or not I want to blow up America with my terrorist buddies or if I wanted to incarcerate all Muslims for being terrorists. You'd know right away if I want to take all of your money and give you a nickel allowance per week or maybe that I want to take my money and go kick some homeless people in the teeth. You'd know if I hate baseball, apple pie, and fireworks on the Fourth of July. You'd know if I love NASCAR, the military, and country music. You'd know at a glance whether or not I'm a racist or a sexist or a religious zealot. You'd know in a moment that I was a fellow parishioner or a devoted comrade. You'd know without asking that I'm a Godless fool worthy of pity or a lost soul in need of spiritual guidance. You'd know right away if I thought the surge worked or if I think Saddam Hussein was training Al Qaida operatives in norther Iraq prior to September 11, 2001.And you'd know whether or not we were friends or adversaries. With just a sentence. 6 words. I bet you already know all the things I mentioned...and I didn't even have to say those 6 words.
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I just read the last bit about it being for the multi-million dollar oil deal. Fuck'em.
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....but what about those McCain supporters screaming "Terrorist!" What are they gonna think once they catch wind of that shit?
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That can't be right ? Can it ?
It would mean the Dems could now easily carpet bomb states with attack ads showing this association to Saddam Hussein as a response to all the Ayres stuff.
Hey BSB maybe that's ALSO why Conservative Bill Krystal called for the firing of the McCain Campaign ?
---FIRE THE CAMPAIGN---
By WILLIAM KRISTOL
Published: October 12, 2008
It’s time for John McCain to fire his campaign. He has nothing to lose. His campaign is totally overmatched by Obama’s. The Obama team is well organized, flush with resources, and the candidate and the campaign are in sync. The McCain campaign, once merely problematic, is now close to being out-and-out dysfunctional. Its combination of strategic incoherence and operational incompetence has become toxic. If the race continues over the next three weeks to be a conventional one, McCain is doomed.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/13/opinion/13kristol.html?ref=opinion
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I don't know how Stones film can possibly match the artistic genius, comedy billiance, critical acclaim and Box Office smash that was an American Carol ?
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Far too mature for most on these boards I am afraid.
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It's spelled "pick-em up". silly boy. Also... I don't. I rock the '96 Metro with the 37 MPG. SUCK IT, you Hummer owners. and BSB...good lookin' out my man.
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Oct 14, 2008 3:46:15 PM CDT
BILL KRISTOL WANTS TO TURN PALIN INTO A NEOCON PUPPET
by bringingsexyback
readying her for a 2012 run. But by that time she'll be 50, a grandmother and won't be able to make dicks hard without passing out Viagra. Kristol is more than welcome to work on her though.
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If this hits the mainstream media with any force, McCain can forget holding any BBQ`s at the White House. He`ll be ON the BBQ. Extra crispy.
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Harry's reviews are always a more revealing picture of his thought process than of the actual film being reviewed. I'm as fascinated with Harry as Harry is of W.
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Not much better though.
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For some reason a guy talking about McCain being barbecued, and having the name BURGER TIME is fucking hilarious to me.
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We saved the bucket just for you....its only half full but damn is it warm. Drink up fucker. -
Your mind reading skills aren't that good, because I don't know who I'm going to vote for right now. I think either candidate isn't great, but I'm sick and tired of people thinking Obama is going to fix all of their problems in hyperbolic fashion. Did Mr. O promise you a nice new bicycle?
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Hadn't even made the connection. But now that you mention it, it is great, isn't it?
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I don't think Obama is gonna fix all my problems. If I did-- I would be looking for a decent size cock come January!!
But seriously....even if you only think Obama will fulfill 1/4 of what he promises.......that is still a hell of a lot better than anything McCain is talking about. McCain is so out of touch with American needs its terrifying. Not to mention his campaign is one big mess cluster fuck....if that is any indication of the sort of cabinet he would put together....ouch. Thats scary. -
I actually think she would be EVEN WORSE than W, aka, the worst president in US history.
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Uhhhhh obviously not those scenes you dumb fuck. Sure not every single fucking word uttered is accurate I'm sure. But most of the meetings and conversations are based on real events.
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Its meant to hurt the party? Most have come out of this fucking film saying they actually like Bush more. It doesn't paint him as a face less demon, its paints him as a complex person. So SHUT THE FUCK UP.
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Oct 14, 2008 4:17:07 PM CDT
Anchorite.....what is not even-handed about the trailer?
by dannyglovers_dickblood
Explain.
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...but this sums up Obama pretty good:
Barack Obama told a tax-burdened plumber over the weekend that his economic philosophy is to "spread the wealth around" -- a comment that may only draw fire from riled-up John McCain supporters who have taken to calling Obama a "socialist" at the Republican's rallies.
Obama made the remark, caught on camera, after fielding some tough questions from the plumber Sunday in Ohio, where the Democratic candidate canvassed neighborhoods and encouraged residents to vote early.
"Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn't it?" the plumber asked, complaining that he was being taxed "more and more for fulfilling the American dream."
"It's not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they've got a chance for success too," Obama responded. "My attitude is that if the economy's good for folks from the bottom up, it's gonna be good for everybody ... I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."
This plumber should have then asked "just what is it that the people behind me lacked that I must make up for?"
Was it education…why didn’t they get one? Was it vision…how do you give them that? Was it because there was no Father figure in the home?
If you don’t talk about that how do you tackle that problem? Just what was it that throwing my money at them is going to do to raise us all up?
You bitches want to suckle at the teet of 'mommy' government....well it looks like that's gonna happen. :D Just don't call yourselves 'men'.
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Raise taxes? Yeah sure. Anyone interested can go to his official site and find out how he is not raising a cent on anyone making less than 250k a year.
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Thats a good plan. And I'm sure most Americans like the sound of it. Most people are fucking broke. The prospect of taking a little bit away from the top 2% doesn't sound too bad.
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How fucking DARE he.. oh wait! that was the Socialists Dubya and Paulson and Bernanke copying the Eurozones measures to combat a global depression.
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You hate all that yet you defend McCain. Do you bother to read once in awhile? McCain is even worse. At least Bush sticks to his guns. McCain will become anything the highest bidder wants him to become......he is a fucking puke of the worst kind.
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Dpn't think the public, as it watches the colossal Bailout of Wall Street and buying up huge stakes in the Banks, will think it's Obama who is the Socialist right now.
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They still think the "Socialist" smear works, just as they still think the term "Liberal" and "Left" work to demonize a candidate. I got news for you fuckers....the country is leaning a hell of a lot more left lately. Take a look at the electoral map. -
Hey, if your down with "spreading the wealth" fine.
But at least have the balls to call yourself as is: a socialist.
Why do you hide from it if you're so proud of your 'noble' stance?
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Say what you will about her husband, it's probably warranted, but I fail to see why Elizabeth Banks is bad casting. Laura Bush from what I've seen is a very wholesome, classy person. If anything she's probably the one really good thing in the Presidents life.
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Daaayyymmm! I thought the average salary for a plumber in the U.S. was about $47,000 ?
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"The prospect of taking a little bit away from the top 2% doesn't sound too bad."
the wealthiest 2 percent of Americans paid nearly half of all the taxes. And now consider this: The wealthiest 2 percent of Americans pay an average of $322,000 in taxes while the remainder of taxpayers (98 percent of them) pay an average of $3,037. That is a pretty big difference.
That's not partisan, it's just fact.
But hey, screw those people right? Like a howling mob we'll rip the rightfully earned fruits of their labor from their hands and spread it to those who WE (the government) deem fit. Great plan.
I usually don't respond to the 3rd grade level tripe you post...but that too ignorant a post not to shred.
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Wall Street Bonuses Hit Record $39 Billion for 2007 (Update3)
By Christine Harper
Jan. 17 (Bloomberg) -- Wall Street's five biggest firms are paying a record $39 billion in bonuses for 2007, a year when three of the companies suffered the worst quarterly losses in their history and shareholders lost more than $80 billion.
Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Morgan Stanley, Merrill Lynch & Co., Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. and Bear Stearns Cos. together awarded $65.6 billion in compensation and benefits last year to their 186,000 employees. That means year-end bonuses, at 60 percent of the total, exceeded the $36 billion distributed in 2006 when the industry reported all-time high profits.
The New York-based firms, which shed 25 percent of their equity value during 2007, have said they're eliminating at least 6,200 jobs amid mounting losses from the collapse of the subprime mortgage market. The payouts come as the U.S. economy slows, with unemployment rising, retail sales declining and new home foreclosures surging to a record.
``To many people, it will be shocking and questionable,'' said Jeanne Branthover, managing director of Boyden Global Executive Search in New York. ``People in New York in the world of investment banking will understand it. It's critical that pay is still there or you're going to lose really good people.''
The industry's bonuses are larger than the gross domestic products of Sri Lanka, Lebanon or Bulgaria, and the average bonus of $219,198 is more than four times higher than the median U.S. household income in 2006, according to data compiled by the U.S. Census Bureau.----
"But hey, screw those people right? Like a howling mob we'll rip the rightfully earned fruits of their labor from their hands and spread it to those who WE (the government) deem fit. Great plan."
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Whenever Harry gives a great review with the preface of "This movie is great but this movie isn't what you think it is about..." = true suckage.
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You think all plumbers make "x" amount?
The guy who owns a plumbing business and employs 6-10 guys is gonna get creamed.
They have to declare what they gross. They have to then make payroll insurance, supplies etc. They file quartely tax reports. Obama is going to tax what they GROSS. Why? Because the plumber is successful and I'm not...so I somehow "deserve" the money HE worked for????
It gets bad enough and said business owner says 'fuck it' and closes up shop. Then he AND his employees must look up to that great teet in the sky and suckle.
"Take care of me mommy...the big bad rich people are being mean to me"
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...are you boys not singing my praises any longer? Dang. Maybe I'll become a socialist too, and get some attention. And while we're at it, there are parts of Socialism that I agree with. The part where we're all in it together and responsible and should all make decisions that will help the most people seems not too terrible. In fact, it seems a wee bit of what those pesky ol' Founding Fathers were thinking, independence from Britain aside. We The People. That means we're all in it together, general jackassery aside. Let's get to it.
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And you didn't say plumbing business owner you said plumber.
The average (you DO know what that means don't you?) salary for a U.S. plumber, NOT the owner of a plumbing business, is bout $47,000. Look it up.
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You seem unusually prickish today. I must have hit a nerve. Fucking loser.
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Don't worry. The CEO's will be just fine putting a little more into the pot.
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Oct 14, 2008 5:44:52 PM CDT
WB refuses to release pro-McCain movie until after election!
by curious jorge
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6056814.html
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And was that really a paragraph about you being a cowboy!?
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Oct 14, 2008 6:04:01 PM CDT
G100, some in the trades: plumbers, carpenters and electricians
by orbots commander
My father started as a carpenter and built a huge contracting business. I know plumbers and electricians who do very well for themselves. Of course there are others who don't do as well. Depends what region of the country you're in, who your main clientele is, etc.
A very capable, in-demand plumber can make from $150,000-$250,000 per year.
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No offense Harry, but a guy who brand himself as 'liberal' calling this movie even handed makes me doubt it. Liberal thought's ideas over what's even handed and what isn't seems to be too subject to their point of view. I would feel teh same if a conservative said teh same thing about a movie on Bill Clinton's life. I'm tired of hearing how Oliver Stone was attempting to being even handed and the release date wasn't meant to influence the election. What an insult to our collective intelligence. If it wasn't important, then why not postpone it? Might as well be Michael Moore with his BS claims. I'm not excited about Bush or McCain but I'm sick of the hipocrisy of the liberal left who don't practice what they preach to an obscene degree.
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Lose weight before you criticize anyone else's intelligence. I mean, getting as fat as you have become, takes extreme unintelligence.
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...hmmm, very provocative...you might find these articles interesting:http://tinyurl.com/4yeokmhttp://tinyurl.com/4tq8vjAnd before you ask (or presume), no I am not a socialist.
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Oct 14, 2008 6:19:58 PM CDT
less than 3% of the country makes over 200k....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
a year. So they will all be fine. I promise. And all of you bitching about the tax hike for anyone over 250k, you do know that the higher rate is only on any income exceeding the 250 right?
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Yeah, and that takes away the ambition for anyone to become succesful. Like Obama told the plumber who cornered him... he wants to spread the wealth around.. which is socialism at its finest. A concept that contradicts what this country was founded on.
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What the fuck ever. McCain will do nothing but further fist fuck the working families of this country. There has never been a more anti-Middle class candidate. If a 2% tax on the rich is a little too much for you to handle...then fuck off. Vote for McCain. We don't need your ignorant ass.
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over a simple phrase like "spread the wealth around".
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Then by all means waive it when you file next year.
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I've been looking for a good Socialist website. Thanks!
Gimme a Wealth!!!
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They've been trained well. They scream SOCIALIST!! Followed by KILL HIM!! Stupid fucking trained dogs. It astonishes me. These brain dead mother fuckers that basically say fuck everything else-- if they entire country is slowly rotting away, jobs are gone, real estate is shit, gas prices, two wars, bla bla bla....what...you're going to keep Bush's tax cuts? Oh. Well fuck everything else, you get my vote!! BRAIN DEAD FUCKING CUNTS!!
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Typical liberal emotional response... sigh... I got nothing but love for ya, bro.. and I respect your choice.. time for you to do the same for others instead of spewing hatred for people you don't agree with. Be well!
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....fuck those cunts that have destroyed our country and wiped their fucking asses with constitution. And fuck anyone ignorant enough to support them. Emotional response? You bet your fucking ass. I'm tired of watching America implode. And I'm tired of that senile motherfuckin' rot-face and his grinning yellow teeth. FUCK HIM AND FUCK YOU.
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It's Corporate Capitalism 101, with a twist. Capital investment / stock ownership is the lifeblood of corporate capitalism. If the system is in a coma - essentially what this credit freeze is - then the gummint needs to inject capital into the system and push the credit machine back into gear.
Personally, I think the gummint should have voting rights in the banks.
And it's not Socialism to advocate a progressive tax system that puts more money into the hands of those who spend it for goods and services. That's good for the economy, and everyone benefits.
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Wow.. you shouldn't be allowe to vote if you're that angry and reactionary.. getting emotional devalues your argument. No wonder you're for socialism. It's people like you that give liberals a bad name. Dannyglovers = converting liberals to conservatives since birth. I heart you.
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Just another case of morons voting against their own interests. What can one do but laugh at the ridiculousness of it all?
Warren Buffett supporting a Socialist?
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..it would be an interesting viewpoint to actually hear from real socialists, who they actually think is a *socialist* and who is not. And what they think of Obama as well. Should be good info for those out there claiming Obama is one of them. No truth when you exaggerate..I think this is more accurate: Obama has certain *policies* that are socialist in nature. If he was a true socialist, he'd be a unknown face on a socialist website.
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Oct 14, 2008 6:48:22 PM CDT
Everyone knows that John Tyler was the worst president
by dapper swindler
duh people
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Oh no my argument is devalued to the 3 people reading this TB right now!! Ooooohhhh noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!
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I'm quite sure you're spewing this hatred elsewhere, and i feel sorry that you let this consume you. That is.. unless you are one who only comes on here where you can get up your 'internet courage' and hide behind a user name. I hope you can get some help with your anger management issues dude. When you want to talk facts instead of emotions, come on back and we can talk about it civily.
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Oct 14, 2008 6:54:56 PM CDT
yeah this is interesting Darth Ralph Macchio....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
From your link.. "The SEP issues the following warning: Neither the Democrats nor Republicans are presenting to the working class their real programs—that is, what they intend to do after Election Day. Neither the Democratic nor Republican candidate cares to acknowledge that this election campaign is being conducted in the midst of the most serious economic crisis of world capitalism since the Great Depression of the 1930s.
But the corporate and financial elite knows full well that the next president—regardless whether his name is McCain or Obama—will almost immediately escalate attacks on the American and international working class. The next administration will drive up unemployment, slash expenditures for desperately needed social programs, support the attacks of the corporations on wage levels and working conditions, and intensify government suppression of democratic rights. A President McCain or Obama will pursue the reckless militarist agenda of the Pentagon and seek the reintroduction of the draft to provide human cannon fodder for the wars now being planned in secret." -
What the fuck is up with this? Anytime I get passionate and drop a load of expletives they always come back with, "Okay internet tough guy...." or "Internet courage." I have never once pretended to be tough. My wife is like 110 pounds and she slaps the shit out of me if I don't feed the dogs when I get home. I'm not trying to be tough or courageous in any way whatsoever. I am simply pointing out that anyone dumb enough to vote for McCain should be urinated on every Christmas Eve by Trent Lott for as long as ye both shall live.
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Where did you read this?
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Is that rich people will basically be paying what they did under REAGAN, that saint of Conservatives everywhere. Yet if a black moderate does it, it's intrinsically socialist and evil. Give me a freaking break people. The economy melted down because of Republicans and their Free Market Fundementalism. Just look at the statistics: The rich got richer and everyone else either stayed the same or lost money. The wealth doesn't trickle down. I would be all for trickle down economics if it actually worked, but it doesn't. So let's keep a progressive tax system going (it worked for Dwight Eisenhower, a conservative president) and stop bullshitting about what we "deserve" and what we don't "deserve".
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Me and AICN are going steady.
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Also I don't like Dannyglover's style, but he's right on one thing: you really are Dumb As Shit if you vote for John McCain, Mr. "Oh Iraq will be an easy victory...oops I just wasted 1 trillion dollars and 4500 American lives on invading the wrong country, duuuuuuh" or Mr. "Watch me pick a MILF who is barely qualified to pick her own nose as my Vice President...p.s. I'm 72 and have had a deadly cancer." How the heck can you vote for this clown unless you are a Team Republican moron.
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Wait a minute...Aint it *LIBERAL* propaganda right? But what a minute! When Danny just said "Me and AICN are going steady." I swear I had a momentary brain dyslexia-fart as glancing it at it read "Me and McCain are going steady." and then I realized that AICN is an anagram for CAIN which means MCCAIN. Which means fucking AICN is in the God damned tank for McCain!! Holy shit! "W" must truly be fucking awesome then, eh?.*Warrior needs food, badly!*
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If you don't speak and talk like this in your everyday life when making your case for Obama, then yes, that's 'internet courage' because you can do it anonymously. Go back and read, and let's see if you are as smart as you claim to be.. I said 'if' you come here and talk as you do, and don't do it elsewhere. Again.. if you want to argue about it, I'll be happy to if you bring facts, and not expletive ridden rants that do nothing to support your choice. Otherwise, I respectfully decline the offer to massage your balls. As you can imagine by my choice of party, I'm not gay (not that there is anything wrong with being gay). To think people's choice is simple as you think, is ignorance in its purist form. Obama is going to win.. I'm certain of that. But.. congress holds the real power, and we haven't seen any change out of them since the Dems took it over.. no reason to think that will change with Obama. If you think his plan is a sound one, let's see if it gets implementd as he's written it.... very doubtful, as congress will have to approve it.
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Oct 14, 2008 7:11:30 PM CDT
Ah, Yes - the Dingbat Right's favorite drum to beat:
by half-baked-goggle-box-do-gooder
"SOCIALIST"!!!
Oh, Horrors! Because "Socialism" can ONLY mean Communism, right? "Socialism" can't POSSIBLY mean, community programs like the Police, the Fire department, the utilities that provide clean water for drinking and washing, public schools, assistance for the unfortunate.....no, it CAN'T mean THAT. Not as long as reactionary, selfish, brain-dead cockwipes like Just_John and anchorite let the Republican Party do their defining for them....
If those two FoxNews-suckers lose their jobs in this economic wipe-out or the upcoming credit card crisis, we won't be hearing them bitch too loudly about "Socialism" while they're collecting unemployment and food stamps, I'd wager.......not because they're intelligent or self-aware enough to recognize their own hypocrisy, but because they won't be able to afford Internet access....Which would just be such a fucking SHAME, now wouldn't it?
Oh, but WAIT - maybe they'll be able to get GRANTS and TUITION ASSISTANCE to go back to school and then they can use the computers THERE to explain to us all the evils of "Socialism". Yeah, that sounds about right....While CEO's keep getting richer by dodging taxes with loopholes and offshore accounts and firing people like anchorite and Just_John, they'll be explaining to us how it wouldn't be FAIR to expect the heads of Exxon or any other huge multinational to not live up to the standards of the American Dream anyway possible....
YessireeBob...Just keep sucking away at the corporate propaganda cock there boys, for as long as you want......just don't call yourselves "men". -
...it's the "Tinkle On" theory of economics. That's right, the rich guys get richer, see, then they tinkle on the rest of us. C'mon, even Archie Bunker figured that out...
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Even though you dont like my style I will say your name is brilliant. If we teamed up and made some kind of sodomy dick blood-- we would be unstoppable.
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"As you can imagine by my choice of party, I'm not gay". There are plenty of gays in the republican party. They just hate themselves for being gay and take a shit on other gays rather than seeing a psychologist and outing themselves. Do the names Mark Foley (gay and a pedophile to boot!) or Larry Vitter ring a bell?
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While I know it's refreshing to rant and rave at Team Republicans or Team Democrats or people who are voting for Bob Barr or Ron Paul, it really doesn't help your case. A little sarcasm is fine, but going on a tear and threatening to shoot your opponent with a large calibur handgun and then fuck the resulting bullet-wound while singing "God Bless America" isn't going to win you any friends and will, in fact, degenerate some of the points you are trying to make.
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Actually, the economy prospered for many years under Bush and a Rep. Congress. Trickle down doesn't mean wealth, but it does mean jobs, corporate spending and business expansion, which simply means more opportunity. A lot of those things happened under a republican administration.. and I'm not saying Reps. are responsible for it,But they are also not responsible for the meltdown. As I'm sure you know, the economy is cyclical and this crisis has more to with where are on that cycle than who's in office. Downturns are unavoidable, and this would have happened no matter who is in office. I'm no fan of Bush, but as far as the economy in general goes, everyone is to blame on both sides of the aisle.
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Jesus Christ-- will you shut the fuck up? I thought you were leaving. Anyone else notice how AICN Republicans are so fucking whiny? You're another Coughlins Law clone-- you continue to claim you're leaving, yet you keep coming back like a nasty rash on the head of my prick.
Okay fine...you got me. I don't walk around in my everyday life screaming REPUBLICANS ARE IGNORANT CUNTS at the grocery store, so I suppose I am an "Internet Tough Guy." There is no need for me to argue with you. I already know your answers to every issue raised. You people are all the same. I'm not gonna change you, you're not gonna change me. This is an anonymous forum of Internet tough-guys that communicate through written text. We are a bunch of stubborn fucks whether it be movies or politics we are discussing. So the best thing we can do now is for you to lay on your back, open wide, and allow me to pour a cup of fresh urine down your throat. Agreed? -
I never said the fuck a bullet hole bit. I wish I could take credit for it, but thats all you baby.
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Yeah, they pretty much think he's a douche bag. Especially for the complete pile of horse shit that was JFK. That version of history has been thoroughly trashed by many top historians.People who say that this movie is 90% accurate are fools. Fucking hell, Stone put in dream scenes of W confronting his own failure in Iraq and facing his father. Not to mention the many private conversations depicted in the film. Lame. Ass. Shit. Why would anyone give a fuck about Bush's life? Are you looking for Stone to give you some closure? Grow a sack losers.I'm sure this is probably a decent, well done movie. And it does seem to try and be a little fair, but I ask again. What the fuck is the point of making this movie? Who is this movie for? Do you think red-staters are going to watch this? If you want to watch this so you can find the truth about Bush and why he did what he did, you're a fucking idiot. If you're trying to get closure, your a pussy.That pretty much leaves you obsesive Bush-Haters. Get off the guy's dick already.
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I am insulted you think you have to be gay to massage another man's balls. When a friend is in need, a friend is in need. We're all brothers here.
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Natch!From a Comicon panel with Kevin Smith, Judd Apatow, Zack Snyder and Frank Miller:Q:How much of an influence or impact do negative internet comments make to you guys?:Smith: I live and die by it. I’ve got no sense of self-worth.Apatow: I track test audience reactions, including how much penis can be shown on the screen before a room is cleared. There is a certain definite amount of penis that can be shown that will completely clear a theater. I read negative comments online before, and would start to feel bad, but then I’d notice the author’s name was something like Danny Glover’s Dickblood. Then you don’t feel so bad.
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You're right, and my statement was too general.. that was just sarcasm as you mention in your post below mine.. I've got no problem with gay people, and its one thing I disagree with most republicans about. I'm a pretty big moderate, but just can't go with Obama because of how far left he is. A moderate from either party would be fine with me.
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Oct 14, 2008 7:29:34 PM CDT
bless you Macchio....I shall share this with you all....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
http://tinyurl.com/3uwjo9
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My, my.. I'm getting to you aren't I? Not my intention. And I'll leave when I want.. this isn't a liberals only club.. so if you don't like it, perhaps you should leave. If your brother likes to massage your balls, that's your business, but i'm not your brother and I'm not going to oblige you in that capacity. Again, you resort to insults instead of answering any real questions, because you can't back up what you're saying with any facts or rational thought. So much for liberals being accepting of all people, races, creeds, or anyone who doesn't blindly agree with them. I respect your opinion that differs from mine, but find it hard to understand what you stand for through all the crap you're posting.
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...I'm sort of burned out on politics. You wanna get all serious debate and shit. Fuck-- we've been doing this for months. Where have you been? If you want to get into a debate about all things Bruce Campbell....lets do it!
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Tell me this doesn't make you wanna vote OBAMA...
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Yeah, I was a little worried about your blood pressure. What I know about Bruce, I like, so not sure we can debate.
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I'm curious why you think Obama is so far left. His tax plan is a tax cut for 95 percent of Americans and basically a restoration of the Reagan-Era tax plan for the remaining 5 percent, which was fine with conservatives in the 80s. He doesn't want to cut military spending, he wants to shift are armed forces to Afghanistan (which NATO recommends). That's all pretty centrist stuff. What is so far left about him? Can you be a little more specific? As a fellow moderate who basically jettisoned the Republican party in 2004 after the Iraq Adventure I've checked on both candidates extensively and would be happy to answer any questions.
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...keep up the good work. You are rational, knowledgeable, and polite. Everything I'm not.....FUCK!
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I usually side with conservative thought on taxes and economic policies. If people have incentive to do better, to try to make more money, they will. Obama's plan is basically saying if you want to sit back and prosper off of other people's hard work, that's ok. I don't agree with that. His tax plan isn't communist of socialist.. but it is born out of socialist thought. Socially, I tend to side with liberals. I'm for civil unions for gay people, and women's rights relating to abortion. Neither issue affects me too much personally. Militarily I think we have to finish the job, no matter the wrong reasons for it starting. I don't like Obama's stance and record on this. I don't think he has the knowledge necessary to be an effective commander in chief. He voted against the surge, and still won't admit that it worked. His voting record from the senate does not show me a track record of where he stands. Beyond those issues, there are many unanswered questions about his radical past. Whether its Jermiah Wright, William Ayers, Tony Rezko or Louis Farakkan, he has not cleared up any records or tried to resolve those past associations to the public in any way. What I don't know about Obama scares me much more than what I do know. If he could adequately refute his associations with those people, and the work he did with them, I would feel much more comfortable voting for him.
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The worst president in the last 50 years is Jimmy Carter! You retards need to pick a history book and stop believeing what the liberal gestapo tells you.
Unemployment in double digits, inflation, interest rates above 20% plus the oil crisis and the Iran hostage sitch.
W is an asshole, but he didn't fuck the economy like peanut farmer did nor did he prevent hard working people from owning new cars and homes.
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I'm well aware that every $ that goes to this film will be seen as some sort of damnation of the current administration, such as my tickets for F911 were used to prop up that idiot Moore.
And seriously guys, despite the crowing .. Obama will not win.
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I may not agree with your weaksauce democratic ideals, but I did pick a fight. I'm still a little sore from being compared to Shia LeBeauf. You understand, right?
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I'm a Libertarian with Conservative leanings, but I do want to see this since W is not nor ever was a Conservative or a Republican.
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What's with that slam on ed wood at the end? Sure his movies are considered to be some of the worse movies ever made but he had more heart and love of film than anyone working in the business today. Oh and The_frog i can see why you wouldn't want to see this but if you really think McCain is gonna win you've got to pull your head out of your a$$, he would have had a chance if he'd gonna with lieberman but by picking Palin he really hammered the last nail in his coffin. Oh an this is coming from someone who really doesn't like obama.
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New Polls 10.13.08: FL, OH, PA, MO, VA, NC, GA, ND, National
Posted by Ashish on 10.13.2008
Things continue to get better for Obama and worse for McCain...
It's another day of very bad poll numbers for John McCain.
-- In Florida, FOX News/Rasmussen has Obama up 5%, 51% to 46%.
-- In Ohio, Marist has Obama up 4%, 49% to 45%, while FOX News/Rasmussen has Obama up 2%, 49% to 47%. This is the first time ever that Rasmussen has shown Obama ahead in Ohio.
-- In Pennsylvania, Marist has Obama expanding his lead to 12%, 53% to 41%, while Morning Call has Obama up 13%, 51% to 38%.
-- In Missouri, SurveyUSA has Obama opening up an 8% lead, 51% to 43%, while FOX News/Rasmussen has Obama up 3%, 50% to 47%.
-- In Virginia, FOX News/Rasmussen has Obama ahead of McCain, 50% to 47%.
-- In North Carolina, FOX News/Rasmussen has the race tied at 48%.
-- In Georgia, SurveyUSA has McCain's lead down to 8%, 51% to 43%. The interesting number from this poll is that Obama is actually winning among people who have already voted (early voting has started in Georgia) and early voters make up nearly 20% of the total vote. This puts a lot of pressure on McCain's ground operation in the state to turn its supporters out on election day, as they now have a deficit in the state that they'll have to make up.
-- And in North Dakota, MSUM has Obama up 2%, 45% to 43%. This is obviously a pretty stunning result considering Bush won this state by 26% in 2004, but until another pollster confirms this, I'd hold off on viewing North Dakota as being in play.
-- In new national numbers, ABC/Washington Post has Obama's lead up to 10%, 53% to 43%. I commented on this poll in detail here. Also, Democracy Corps has Obama up 10%, 50% to 40%.
-- And in the daily trackers, things remain more or less the same, with Obama expanding his lead in Gallup's poll, staying mostly the same in Diageo and Research 2000, and tightening slightly in Rasmussen.
* Gallup - Obama 51%, McCain 41%
* Rasmussen - Obama 50%, McCain 40%
* Diageo - Obama 48%, McCain 42%
* Research 2000 - Obama 52%, McCain 40%
What is there to say? There is nothing good here for McCain. The FOX News/Rasmussen polls were the only guys left showing McCain ahead in Ohio, and now they have flipped to an Obama lead as well. And Missouri seems to have gone from pretty safe for McCain to now leaning to Obama. McCain needs to seriously consider bailing on Pennsylvania, where he continues to spend massive amounts of money yet trails by double digits, and make one final stand with a strategy of playing no offense and hoping he can defend all of these red states where Obama is now leading. It's risky, because it's hard to see Obama not winning at least one of the red swing states, but at this point, it seems as if McCain has a better shot at somehow winning all the red swing states than he does winning Pennsylvania. I mean, neither scenario is at all likely, but if you have to pick one, I'd take the red state defense over trying to make up a double digit lead in Pennsylvania.----
http://www.411mania.com/politics/columns/87706
Oh adn richievanderlow I'm afraid the smearing and scaremongering is ripping the McCain Campaign and Republicans apart as half of them have McCain trying desperately to get back on to the real issues the voters care about like the Economy and the other half thinks that smears ae a magic Rovian strategy that will turn everything around even though the polls are saying otherwise. -
Oct 14, 2008 8:24:30 PM CDT
Holy cow! that's a bunch of talking points, but I'll do my best
by sodomy redux
You sound like a liberterian. That's cool, we actually have a lot of common ground. I myself am a civil liberterian. Anyway here's the deal -- there's no way to train to be an effective Commander in Chief unless you've already been a four-star general. I'm sorry but that's just the fact of the matter. Bush wasn't ready to be Commander-In-Chief, Clinton wasn't ready, Reagan wasn't ready and neither McCain, Mr. "Bomb Bomb Iran, Iraq will be a cakewalk" or Obama, Mr. "I've never served 5 seconds in the military" is ready. It's totally unlike any job and The Founders deliberately gave civilian control to the military for a reason, they didn't want people trained for war making decisions about what to do with the armed forces. So that's something to consider. The Surge defintely was part of some of the success in Iraq, there's no doubt, but it was not 100 percent the solution to Iraq. The Sunni Awakening (which is basically bribing one sect of Iraqis to stay peaceful with another sect) is a big part of that, another was the ethnic cleansing which literally purified neighborhoods along religious lines by killing the other guys. Anyway Iraq is pretty loose still, we have "won" in the sense that overt violence is down but less than 8 percent of people who were displaced by the violence during the Surge have returned to their homes. So yes we won a military victory but we are still occupying an unstable country and violence may break out at any time. Now you say that you believe we have to finish this no matter what, ok that's a personal belief and I can't really argue with sticking with it other than to say that it has cost us American soldiers, 10 billion a month, veterans with PTSS that we will have to treat, all to occupy a country that it turns out was not a threat to us. But if you have weighed those costs and still think we need to stick it out then what can I say?
Lastly I want to talk about what we don't know about Obama. We actually know a lot, because if any of those associations were of substance then Obama would have been kicked to the curb by Hillary Clinton. I am sorry but it's true, he has been campaigning for 2 years now and a lot of leads have been followed and they don't go anywhere. Jermiah Wright was just a racist asshole and Obama publicly took a shit on him. McCain did the same thing with a fellow called John Hagee, btw, this happens in every damn election: somebody endorses a candidate who later turns out to be a piece of shit or has said something really stupid a decade ago and the candidate says "Oh you know I don't support these idiots." McCain did it, Obama did it, Bush did it, Kerry did it, Gore did it, etc. etc. Tony Rezko was some guy who did a fundraiser for Obama, it's a little complicated but there's an article in the Chicago Sun Times about the whole thing here: http://www.suntimes.com/news/watchdogs/757340,CST-NWS-watchdog24.article Is there something fishy there? Maybe, maybe not. It could go either way and so I leave it to you to decide. Now on to William Ayers, the flavor of the minute. Yes the dude is a former 60s radical asshole. He served on a foundation with Obama, that's it, nothing else. The foundation was called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge and it is funded by a super-rich Republican. And William Ayers got Chicago's Citizen of the Year award in 1997. So if you think that Obama being in the same room as this guy is bad and that he is still some kind of terrorist threat to the USA, then you basically are accusing a very rich Republican guy of financing a known terrorist. I want to make something clear here. Is Ayers an asshole? Yes absolutely, he bombed property and is a chucklefuck. Is he a reformed asshole? Chicago seems to think so. I don't know, I don't live there. The city seems to like him.There is a lot of information about Obama out there and you can basically just hit Wikipedia to get 90 percent of it. If you still think that he's a radical leftist after reading all of this then I don't know what to say. He's a mildly left moderate as far as I'm concerned. -
Liberman is a good man, but McCain would have lost the entire Conservative vote by picking him. Palin is liked, I know the downstream media doesn't like to hear that, but its true and she is by no means worse than Biden, who has had an unremarkable Senate life, for the last 35 years. Change? Yeah, right.
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All good points, and many things can go either way. I respectfully disagree about his past associations, and that's what lead to my 'far left' accusation. I don't trust Wiki for solid information, and I hope the Sun Times is being objective. I'll read that article. In politics, actions and associations speak a lot. Obama did very well in refusing to associate himself directly with J. Jackson and Al Sharpton from the get go, and later Jeremiah Wright when that controversy emerged.. and I can't shake why he hasn't done the same with his other former associates. It makes me very uneasy, and while this isn't THE reason I'm voting McCain.. I'd rather vote for the devil that I know, than the devil that i don't know. I still think this is Obama's election to lose. I hope I'm wrong about him. If he gets elected, I'll give him a chance.
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Ayers is a piece of shit! The moment Obama set foot in his presence he should have left and washed his hands of him, but no, he stayed around and now has the stink of radical.
Obama is a Socialist, income redistrubtion for the lazy does not nor will it ever work and I really hate his nasty wife who only now likes her country- the one that gave her all of the opportunities she's taking advantage of. Fuck her with bells on. -
I always thought Nixon would be the template for W. Though Nixon has some faults and was a little too fractured structurally I thought. I dind't really get from Harry's review the complete degree of flashback/forwarding there was in W.
Also it was fairly clear from the get go that this would be a psychological study of Bush and more of a "family drama/personal drama" than a straight up retelling of his White House follies.
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Chicago is such a corrupt political machine it makes the Vatican look like Walnut Grove. Anyone coming out of there is not honest or rational. Obama is a fucking Socialist.
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Oct 14, 2008 8:43:46 PM CDT
Yelnick, I can't stand false equivalencies or your bullshit, sor
by sodomy redux
It's spelled "Leiberman", and he's not a good man. In fact he is a neo-conservative who wants us to get in a war with Iran which is a VERY VERY bad idea. As for Palin being no worse then Biden, well that's certainly debateable. she just got pinched by a Troopergate ethics scandal. She has virtually no experience in Government (I am sorry, if there are any Alaskans reading this, I respect your state but it's VERY different from the "lower 48") because Alaska is nothing like the rest of the United States. She lies chronically about everything (Bridge to Nowhere, plane on Ebay) She has genuine ties to an Alaskan Seccesionist organization. She apparently doesn't know much about anything. I'll give her this - she's attractive and she can talk shit about Democrats. Her running mate is a 72 year old man with a cancer history which gives her a much higher chance to be President than the running mate of a 44 year old dude who just gave up smoking. Sarah Palin is not presidential material, and that's all there is to it. Biden isn't either, but at least he has 35 years of foreign experience and FAR, FAR less of a chance of ever actually being president.
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Look at me, I'm Yelnick McWaWa! Obama is a socialist even though everyone says he isn't! He associated with a huge radical who is so incredibly radical he's funded by a rich Republican! Some former beauty contest contestant who makes me feel funny in the loins should have a chance to be president! I have post-its all over my residence reminding me to close my mouth when I breath! Duuuuuuuuuuh.
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....how can anyone on Earth think there is anything left to know? With McCain's current state of desperation don't you think he would have dug up just about everything? His people probably know the details of how Obama lost his virginity. They got nothing on him.
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Just an FYI though, you wrote "I don't trust Wiki for solid information" well that's cool but you can still check out the Wiki footnotes to go to their sources, that's primarily what I use it for. As for McCain being the devil you know, I too know this: he's a dude with a proven hot temper and access to the nuclear football if he wins the election. And if he dies his weirdo Alaskan running-mate takes over and we know even less about her. Sort of a scary situation either way. But if you really feel like you don't know Obama after 2 years of campaigning and all the stuff on his website...it's your call. Peace.
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Oct 14, 2008 8:52:06 PM CDT
"If he gets elected, I'll give him a chance. "
by dannyglovers_dickblood
Good for you.
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...some guy over on Harry's DVD TB-- just said kids of the future will look back on Indy IV lovingly because it stars Shia LaBeouf, the Brad Pitt of their time. And on that note...I leave you with this:http://tinyurl.com/5ujd6d
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I gave Bush a chance (only during his first term) and I actually thought he did a great job following 9/11 (other than fucking up and allowing it to happen, but who knows if that was even preventable). However once he decided to do the Iraq Boogie he lost me. Every time the US sticks it's face into other people's business we get it farted on. I am almost an isolationist in what I want, which puts me square in the Old School Conservative camp. Most people are pretty moderate when you come down to it.
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Well, I just don't believe that things are always as they appear...and what is apparent about those people isn't good. Obama has not shut that down.. at least not as convincingly as he did with Jeremiah Wright. McCain is using those associations in his campaign, and has been for awhile now, so it's not as if it isn't out there.
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I do believe that's the nicest thing you've ever said to me. Much appreciated.
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you cannot take the surplus that we had when Clinton was in office and make the biggest deficit in american history and not be the worst. He has totally fucked the world's view of america and if you don't believe me, take a stroll through the middle east or even europe with a "born in the usa" shirt. You won't make it two blocks
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I don't think you'd make it two blocks in the middle east with that shirt no matter who was president.
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Just making a point that we have alienated ourselves from the rest of the world.
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Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. That'll work.
No, seriously. PLEASE keep trying to peddle those horseshit smears as you seem oblivious to the effect they are having in the polls and McCains fracturing Campaign.
If only there was a short pithy slogan to sum all this up...
IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID!
Yeah, that'll do.
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I'm with you...dont hurt me. Unfortunately when Obama DOES win, its gonna take more than one term to fix this fuck up and im sure that the GOP will be there to falsely assign blame come 2012
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I'm assuming that was intended for me, but not sure because that's not what I was saying. I'm not saying McCain's idea to attack Obama's associations are working. I agree Obama is winning and that the general public is swallowing his 'plan' as what will hapen after he gets elected. I just don't think that plan is what we're going to see. Congress controls the purse strings and he's got to get his plan through.. not sure he can, but you're right that it's helping him win and he probably will win this election. He's runnign a good campaign.. I just don't see his 'plan'
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So be it.. if I went through life caring what other people think about me, I'd be pretty f'ed up too.
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And he explains why on his blog:
(For those who don't know who this guy is, he is a writer for the ultra-Conservative publication The National Review, which was founded by his father beloved Conservative columnist William Buckley)
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I have known John McCain personally since 1982. I wrote a well-received speech for him. Earlier this year, I wrote in The New York Times—I’m beginning to sound like Paul Krugman, who cannot begin a column without saying, “As I warned the world in my last column...”—a highly favorable Op-Ed about McCain, taking Rush Limbaugh and the others in the Right Wing Sanhedrin to task for going after McCain for being insufficiently conservative. I don’t—still—doubt that McCain’s instincts remain fundamentally conservative. But the problem is otherwise.
McCain rose to power on his personality and biography. He was authentic. He spoke truth to power. He told the media they were “jerks” (a sure sign of authenticity, to say nothing of good taste; we are jerks). He was real. He was unconventional. He embraced former anti-war leaders. He brought resolution to the awful missing-POW business. He brought about normalization with Vietnam—his former torturers! Yes, he erred in accepting plane rides and vacations from Charles Keating, but then, having been cleared on technicalities, groveled in apology before the nation. He told me across a lunch table, “The Keating business was much worse than my five and a half years in Hanoi, because I at least walked away from that with my honor.” Your heart went out to the guy. I thought at the time, God, this guy should be president someday.
A year ago, when everyone, including the man I’m about to endorse, was caterwauling to get out of Iraq on the next available flight, John McCain, practically alone, said no, no—bad move. Surge. It seemed a suicidal position to take, an act of political bravery of the kind you don’t see a whole lot of anymore.
But that was—sigh—then. John McCain has changed. He said, famously, apropos the Republican debacle post-1994, “We came to Washington to change it, and Washington changed us.” This campaign has changed John McCain. It has made him inauthentic. A once-first class temperament has become irascible and snarly; his positions change, and lack coherence; he makes unrealistic promises, such as balancing the federal budget “by the end of my first term.” Who, really, believes that? Then there was the self-dramatizing and feckless suspension of his campaign over the financial crisis. His ninth-inning attack ads are mean-spirited and pointless. And finally, not to belabor it, there was the Palin nomination. What on earth can he have been thinking?
All this is genuinely saddening, and for the country is perhaps even tragic, for America ought, really, to be governed by men like John McCain—who have spent their entire lives in its service, even willing to give the last full measure of their devotion to it. If he goes out losing ugly, it will be beyond tragic, graffiti on a marble bust.
As for Senator Obama: He has exhibited throughout a “first-class temperament,” pace Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.’s famous comment about FDR. As for his intellect, well, he’s a Harvard man, though that’s sure as heck no guarantee of anything, these days. Vietnam was brought to you by Harvard and (one or two) Yale men. As for our current adventure in Mesopotamia, consider this lustrous alumni roster. Bush 43: Yale. Rumsfeld: Princeton. Paul Bremer: Yale and Harvard. What do they all have in common? Andover! The best and the brightest.
I’ve read Obama’s books, and they are first-rate. He is that rara avis, the politician who writes his own books. Imagine. He is also a lefty. I am not. I am a small-government conservative who clings tenaciously and old-fashionedly to the idea that one ought to have balanced budgets. On abortion, gay marriage, et al, I’m libertarian. I believe with my sage and epigrammatic friend P.J. O’Rourke that a government big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take it all away.
But having a first-class temperament and a first-class intellect, President Obama will (I pray, secularly) surely understand that traditional left-politics aren’t going to get us out of this pit we’ve dug for ourselves. If he raises taxes and throws up tariff walls and opens the coffers of the DNC to bribe-money from the special interest groups against whom he has (somewhat disingenuously) railed during the campaign trail, then he will almost certainly reap a whirlwind that will make Katrina look like a balmy summer zephyr." -
you know i wouldn't mind democrats redistributing wealth if they did it with any efficiency. seriously.
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BUSHES NEVER SAY DIE!!!
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Lethal Weapon quality Farce. Hell I'd Say "Epic Movie" quality. I'm with BSB he does not deserve a movie with all the praise the reviewer gave it.
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Oct 14, 2008 10:51:03 PM CDT
Karl Rove looks like Master Billy Quizboy from Venture Bros.
by yotzvonfrelnik
Seriously... BIG head.
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But seriously folks if you're that worried about "the economy stupid" what the heck are you doing in here defending big 'S' Socialism? Hasn't history proven time and again that these things are mutually exclusive? You can have more socialism, or more economic growth, but you can't have both. It's a fundamental disconnect I'm hearing from many Obama supporters here and I suspect this lesson will be hard learned in the coming years.
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But seriously folks if you're that worried about "the economy stupid" what the heck are you doing in here defending big 'S' Socialism like Nationalizing the Banks? We've already had the Wall Street socialism. Hasn't history proven time and again that these things are mutually exclusive? You can have more Tax cuts for rich or you can have more Tax cuts for the Middle class, but you can't have both. It's a fundamental disconnect I'm hearing from many Bush/McCain supporters here and I suspect this lesson will be hard learned in the coming years.
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Honestly I don't think its worth reviewing so I'll just state my peace here. As interesting of cast this film had it feels flat. I was especially expecting to be knocked out by Ellen Burnstein and Richard Dryfuss - but nothing felt amazing from their performances. Josh Brolin was perhaps the only interesting performance in the film. Now I see why Harry hates Thandie Newton, because her performance of Condi felt damn near creepy and robotic. Everyone in the theater was laughing everytime she spoke regular dialogue. Like as if she had some speech impedement or something submissively mental about how she was portraying her. In reflection the whole film and how it was put together felt like a subtle yet bitchy fuck you to Bush and his administration - like as if Oliver Stone perposely wanted it to suck on some level for the view perhaps by just showing things at face value. Even up to the abrupt ending that articulates this point further, but left people in the theater litterally vocalizing "Wtf? It's over?" Someone started an applause that felt lackluster while everyone else had looks of indifference. If at all I hoped the film would succeed in making Bush appear more human and garner some ounce of sympathy, but it didn't. Why I won't bother submitting a review - it just felt overall pretty meh.
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Oct 15, 2008 5:54:40 AM CDT
"Thandie Newton has come a long way since I initially despised h
by suckletrou
And there, flying out the window, goes the last tiny shred of respect I had for Harry's film opinions.
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Oct 15, 2008 7:38:48 AM CDT
"Thandie Newton has come a long way since I initially despised h
by spacesheik
LOL fuck off Harry lol
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Much like the nationalization of our banks = socialism. Much like public education, police, fire is.
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You said, "I hold the Presidency as a place for intelligent, wise and thoughtful folks." Does that mean you didn't like Clinton either?
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Ummmmm Clinton is extremely intelligent. He is all of the above. Just because he likes to fuck doesn't make him any less thoughtful.
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....about Obama. And before you come back with, "But....he is part Socialist!!" Uhhhhh....there are programs in the entire fucking country that are PARTLY socialist. Get a clue fuckers.
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I think it's fucking hilarious to read someone who had to get his goddamned digestive system removed in order to lose weight talking about how GWB is dumb. You're so dumb, you couldn't voluntarily stop killing yourself with food.
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Haha, the only thing worse than the worshippers of the messiah Obama, are the followers of Slick Willy! GW Bush has made mistakes like any other president, but to call him the worst is stretching it. Study history...shoot, go to the library and pull some fiche copies of newspapers during Carter's admin. Look at what he is doing now and it will lock in the worst living President vote. There is nothing wrong with making movies that are deemed controversial, but making a movie about a sitting President that can be picked apart for its less than truthful content is just silly unless you are clearing branding it a satire. The last I checked Stone didn't say it was a satire. Got off topic...Clinton is a nimrod. I would pay to see a movie about him though. You know there would be lots of nudity in that one!
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Oct 15, 2008 9:42:59 AM CDT
Philvis -- there is a movie about him you dumb fuck.
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Ahhh, you have such a nice vocabulary.
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...Save yer breath. If that dolt doesn't already know about the Clinton movies, then there's no way yer gonna educate the happily uninformed prick now....
Even if he does read this post (Philvis, the movie in question is called "Primary Colors", Stupid.), you know he'll never go out and rent it, as it hasn't been pre-approved by the local Fox News channel and Legion of Decency as "Morally Safe for viewing". I'm sure it would never occuur to him to see if his local library can get a copy....
Philvis, you ignorant shit - Stone has made it QUITE clear that "W" is more about Bush's CHARACTER (such as it is) than it is about his PRESIDENCY. As you would know, if you watched anything besides FoxNews and Bloomberg.... -
Wait, John Travolta was Gov. Stanton. Don't call Primary Colors a biography of the Clintons if that is not the characters name. Don't you have some money to be sending to Obama's campaign right now instead of spreading hate. Remember, we need to work together. Now that is change we can believe in!
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How can you compare Primary Colors to W.? Primary Colors is about an election campagin, W. is a bio-pic. Not comparable at all unless you're a drooling monkey that likes to play with it's own poo-poo.
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...splitting hairs again? Because that's the closest you'll ever come to winning an argument? By changing the argument into being about something else, instead of actually winning it?
Philvis: "WHAT movie about a sitting US President besides "W"?"
Us: ""Primary Colors", for one.."
stoneburner: "But "PC" is about an ELECTION CAMPAIGN, not a ..."
Jeezus H, stoneburner, are you a pathetic boob or what...? So, you want a movie about a Presidential Campaign that ISN'T about Dubya? Try "The War Room".
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blatantly about Clinton. Well, analogues to and satirical of Clinton. Stop being stupid, you 2, please.
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Did he cut in line at Hardees and buy the last thickburger you stupid fat idiot? What kind of moron harbors a 'personal level' of hate for someone with whom he has had ZERO PERSONAL CONTACT.
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Bailout = socialismYou live in a socialist state already; it's just that the socialism only benefits corporations and money-lenders.
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Socialism for working families -- Get off your ass you lazy fuckers!!
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That's some new depth of stupidity- "it's still to early to call what we did in Iraq a disaster", when is the right time?
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We have NOT won the war. Not even Gen. Petraues would say that. In fact he said it is 'too early to declare victory'. It was a surge to supress the violence, not to end or win the war. You stupid schumck. Just what the hell do you think the recent escalation of violence and sucicide bombings over there means? It means, the job is far, far from being over. If we simply declare victory and leave, guess who will be waving goodbye while the country explodes into civil war? Only when we can leave a stable country behind, can we say we have won the war. Damn, I can not stand people who talk with the benefit of a brainstem. I have no idea how you do it.
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He just copies and pastes from MoveOn or the Huffington Post. That's what bugs me so much about his political opinions. They show very little critical thinking and would be considered simplistic by a 4th grader.
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It never ceases to amaze me how liberals consider themselves to be such tolerant, sensitive, progressives, yet they then have no qualms about declaring their HATE for Bush, Palin, etc. Isn’t the definition of intolerance hating someone with whom you disagree?
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Democracy is one of those things that a people have to WANT on their own first. It's not something that can be imposed or set up for them. And they have to possess not only the desire for self-rule, but they'd also damned well better have enough enlightenment and sense of responsibility. "Democracy" isn't some magic elixir that can be doled out and then somehow "everything gets better". It takes hard work and initiative on the part of those who choose to practice it. Without those things, democracy self-destructs. It always does anyway over time, but I'm talking *severe* expedited implosion here. And Iraq has never been a suitable place for democracy: too many sects trying to kill each other for control of the place (which didn't even exist to begin with until people like Winston Churchill carved it out following World War I). Iraq is only stable so long as there's a "strongman" figure, like Tito was in Yugoslavia. It used to be Saddam Hussein was the one who kept everyone in check there. Now, it has to be the United States... and we were never supposed to do anything like that to another country anyway.
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It's over no need to keep arguing. Its OVER JOHNNY. Get ready for President Barack Obama! God I'm going love this.
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Seriously, shut the fuck up. It's a bullshit argument that makes no sense. Do you think that our "tolerance" should expand to groups that are intolerent of others? Should we love homophobes and pro-lifers, the racists that hide behind imigration and the christian right in general? These groups have proved themselves to be focused on hating others and making their lives miserable. Why whould we tolerate that kind of behavior? Go eat a bag of dicks, you jizzmop.
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Saying liberals pride themselves on tolerance yet hate their opponents is a misunderstanding of what liberals mean by tolerance. It means that they don't invade other people's lives with the government. It means if you want to wear a toilet seat on your head and walk around outside, as long as you aren't hurting anyone then you can do it. It DOES NOT mean that they allow people to take a shit on them and their beliefs, or behave incompetently, or nominate a barely-coherent nobody for VP. And yes if you call them effiminate traitors or whatever right-wing term du jour they are going to immediately jump to strong language with words such as "hate" or whatever. The same as a Republican would if I called them a fascist piece of shit. Also Coughlins Laws I don't see anyone in this thread saying that Palin should be killed. Even if they do it doesn't prove shit, every political movement has nutcases in it. McCain has crazy people at his rallies screaming "Kill Obama" and "off with his head" and nobody thinks that all Republicans are like that. Mostly because of that liberal tolerance thing. Lastly if you think that Bush is smart, there's no hope for you. An abbreviated biography of the man shows that his father got him into school and he's literally been nothing but a failure since.
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You said and I quote: "We have now finally, clearly won the war." That is what I take extreme objection too. In no way, shape or how, have we 'finally, clearly, won the war'. That is simply absurd. As for the larger context, this was an unnecessary war, that was hatched by the fevered world building imaginations of twisted neo-cons with delusions of granduer. It was a huge mistake, then and now. The result will not be a 'spreading of democracy'. It will be a continuing belief that the United States has only it's own best interest in mind, and not those of the people whose country they invade. And BTW I would be all for that region becoming a free and Democratic, but it never comes about at the end of a gun.
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Let's suppose for a second that you're correct and that right-wingers are an intolerant, hate filled bunch. According to your reasoning then, right-winger intolerance allows you to be intolerant? And a round and round we go. Your "Two Wrongs Make A Right" is flawed thinking. According to your logic, MLK and Ghandi would have been justified in violating their own code of non-violence because their opponents used violence.
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Please read toad's last post. Read it carefully. I can't believe you said we have clearly won the war.
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But boy howdy you sure are delusional.First off, all the things you knocked Carter for have happened under Bush. Maybe not to the same extent, but we've got the highest unemployment in years, economists say we're in a recession whether the numbers support it or not and even though the circumstances were different, I saw gas lines for two weeks in my state.But what Carter DIDN'T do was wipe the Constitution with his ass, increase by leaps and bounds the size of government and the national debt, completely flush our national reputation down the foreign stage toilet, attack a sovereign nation with falsified evidence, take more vacation days than any President in history which is especially disgusting when thousands of troops he sent into Iraq were dying, give the finger to the environment, sit on his ass for a few days while one of his major cities toiled under the second worst hurricane to hit the country and surround himself with the most corrupt and incompetent people to hold public office in modern history.All the conservative jerkoffs who are only able to bring up what Carter did to our economy as a sign that he was worse than Bush considering the laundry list I just named are fruitcakes that should be declared mental defects. And really now, Carter inherited an economy circling the toilet. The U.S. economy, which had evidenced recovery in the first quarter of 1976, subsequently saw the rate of growth again turn sluggish, unemployment and prices rise, and the 1976 trade balance plunge from major first-half surplus to a drastic deficit. Bush on the other hand inherited a freaking massive surplus and the declining economy when he took office is no excuse for pissing it all away.And we've achieved victory in Iraq? That's just a moron statement. First off, we don't have a clear enemy there. The insurgents have no national affiliation, can come from any country in Asia or the Middle East and are only kept in check so long as we have an obscene military presence on the ground. That's like saying the dam is repaired because you stuck your finger in the hole.And lastly good buddy, I gotta completely obliterate any credibility you had by bringing up your oft repeated phrase of "the left being far more vitriolic and hate-filled than the right." If it's anything the recent McCain rallies have proven, it's that the right is clearly the greater source of hatred and racism. What you failed to take into account is that maybe the reason you don't see that side of them online is that those ignorant neanderthals like those slacked jawed yokels at the rallies are about as tech savvy as McCain is, which is to say not at all. They're more likely to use a computer for target practice than to post on a forum.
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Ignoring the history of a region, while simultaneously trying to impose your own beliefs and culture on them (regardless if your intentions are benign)you immediately create an adversarial situation. If I said to you 'Coughlins, your restaurant/business is in terrible shape. It is run down and decrepit. You have no understanding of how a 21st century restaurant should be run. Now, I am going to fix it'. And then without your consent, I went about and destroyed it, while attempting to remake it in my own fashion - even if my intentions were to present you with a state of the art modern 21st century restaurant, just what would you think about that and of me? You would pissed off. Your business (culture) was ridiculed, you were condescended too. Your restaurant (country) was taken over and now I expect you to treat me as a liberator and thank me for exporting and imposing, my belief system on you. Ad, I expect that now every other restaurant in the area will accept my belief system. Democracy is a great institution, but it is not the only one, and even our version is just that - a version! We are a capitalistic/market based Democracy. And recent events should scare the crap out of fledgling democraies that use us as a model. By all means, we should promote freedom of choice, but remember the second word- choice. It is their choice what and if and how much of our brand of Democracy people want. You can not force or impose it.
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The nation was divided before Bush took office. Half the country voted for Gore. The aftermath of 9/11 was a brief respite in the partisan politics that define America. The notion that somehow an Obama presidency is going close the divide is ridiculous.
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"Did he cut in line at Hardees and buy the last thickburger you stupid fat idiot? What kind of moron harbors a 'personal level' of hate for someone with whom he has had ZERO PERSONAL CONTACT.
moron."
So a holocaust survivor (or one of the ones who didn't make it)couldn't have personal hatred of Hitler? Simply because they never came into physical contact with the guy?
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Coughlin-- I'm sorry....but I don't believe there is any comparison between graduating the top of your class at Harvard Law, and graduating 5th from the bottom of your class in a Naval Academy your daddy got you into. After crashing 3 planes, he would have most certainly been out were it not for his father. Obama = self made man McCain = Slime bag opportunist -
Uhhhh yeah. I'm pretty sure I could have hatred for the guy that murdered my mother-- even if it happened two states away. Dumb fucking logic. As a citizen of this country you are absolutely entitled to HATE your President. Their decisions affect your life. So grow a brain you fucking dumb apes.
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The main difference between my intolerance and a right wing wack job's intolerance is that they hate a thing about a person that can't be changed, (race, gender, sexual orientation) whereas I hate them because they have chosen to hate a person for something that person had nothing to do with. By the way, "Assume?" Really? Right away you're trying to distance the right wing from the reality that they are indeed a intolerant, hate filled bunch. You think it's a bunch of tree-hugging hippies with the "God Hates Fags" signs? Did Ted Kennedy say that gay marrige was equal to beastiality? (Psst. It was Rick Santorium. A Republican.) So, wait. So, wait. According to you, You think that I should think that being a racist is okay? That beating the shit of of a guy because he's a fag is normal acceptable behavior? That shooting a doctor that performs abortions is hunky-spunky? Because I can't. I'm not that tolerant, I guess.
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Ben is the man in it!
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1. I’m a Christian and a conservative. Shooting an abortion doctor is wrong, beating up someone who is gay is wrong, racism is wrong. Many of my family/friends are Christians and GOPers and they'd agree with everything I just wrote. I've never heard anyone in my church encourage violence against gays, abortion doctors, etc. So please readjust your narrow minded view of what a Christian/Republican is.
2. Are there some right-wingers who spew a lot of hateful trash? Sure. Same holds true for liberals. But to characterize each party by their bad apples won't get us anywhere.
3. Getting back to our original topic, I disagree with Obama on most issues and consider him to be a mostly empty suit. I think he'll be a lousy president. But I'll never use the word "HATE" in the same sentence with Obama. I'm confident enough in my political opinions and my faith not to hate anyone.
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Good points.And like I said in my post above, the past few weeks have put to rest the whole "the right is more tolerant" myth.Between the hatred going on at McCain's rallies, people intentionally referring to Obama as Osama (and I've seen Obama signs on front lawns that have been desecrated with an "S" over the "B"), Christopher Buckley being forced out because of his Obama endorsement (so that's the right-wing tolerance Coughlin refers to?) and the Sacramento GOP putting up banner ads that say "Waterboard Obama" and "Hugo Chavez and Hamas support Obama", um yeah, the right is far more tolerant than the left.
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Give me a fucking break. Christian groups have never said a nasty thing about gays....riiiiiiiight. What fucking planet are you living on? McCain had it right before he flopped like a gutless piece of shit when he said the "Agents of Intolerance" bit. You personally may not feel violence towards gays is right, but I'm sure you don't believe they should be treated with the the exact rights of any married couple. What the fuck is the difference? Punching someone in the stomach or telling them you don't recognize their marriage still fucking hurts. Intolerant piece of shit.
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Just for a moment, forget his character (however deep or shallow it might be), forget whatever some will claim to be his triumphs or failures, and ask this:Is the country that he asked to be responsible for, in as good or better shape than when Bush first came into office?In the Boy Scouts we have a rule: whenever you camp out, you leave the site in better shape than how you first found it. That's also a damn good rule for anybody to live by. Realizing that you aren't the "owner" of this world. That each of us is a steward of this place, for however long God lets us be here. And that should be the ideal mindset of anyone who seeks public office: realizing that he or she *isn't* owed that office or anything else. That he or she asked for the responsibility, and that there's the obligation to use that power and authority wisely. It requires a forsaking of self, for the sake of those that official asked to serve to begin with.A wise man once noted that a politician thinks about the next election, but a statesman thinks about the next generation.So in light of that consideration: is Bush the worst ever?Personally, I think so. He's done FAR more damage to America than LBJ or Carter or Wilson ever did. No President is going to be perfect, but every President (and every other elected person) should have a sincere desire to serve others. Bush never had that. And it got the better of him. His malfeasance will stand as an object lesson in hubris for the next hundred years, if not more.
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Go back and read my post...I wrote, "Are there some right-wingers who spew a lot of hateful trash? Sure." I'm denying it. And if calling me an "intolerant piece of shit" makes you feel bigger, that's cool. God bless.
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Sorry if you're tiny little pea brain can't discern the difference between a film about an election campaign and a film about a man's life, but there is one, and pointing that out isn't "splitting hairs" it's called "recognizing reality." PS: Get cancer.
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YOU made the distinction, not me - You're a textbook case of the Scientific American article I read a few weeks back: The bottom 12% of the IQ range are the group that are also the most convinced that they're geniuses, that they're in the top 5% IQ range and they're never wrong about anything.
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You're (conveniently) forgetting that East Germany, Ukraine, Italy and Poland, while sharing with Iraq a history of recent dictatorial rule, (In the case of Japan, make that a Divine Autocracy, and in the case of Afghanistan it's a [Dark Ages]theocracy), are all essentially western/European countries that were democracies BEFORE the various tyrants took over, and were happy to restore their squashed democratic traditions with our help..
Japan was simply occupied and rebuilt as a Western-friendly regime, and Afghanistan - are you SERIOUSLY trying to claim that AFGHANISTAN is a functioning democracy? 90% of native Afghans can't even define the WORD "democracy"....
That was one of my favorite recurring chunks of neo-con revisionism, endlessly repeated after the "WMD's" claim got rammed right back up their asses: "We never said we were invading over WMD's _ the people of Iraq were BEGGING us to come over there and give them a big bushel basket of Democracy! Yeah, THAT'S what happened..." -
"Tell that to East Germany, Japan, Ukraine, Afghanistan, Italy, Poland, and countless other countries that would not have democracies without our involvement..."East Germany had a shared identity with West Germany, and was only communist because it happened to be the territory that the Soviets occupied at the end of World War II. When communism finally collapsed (more because of its own unsustainable bureaucratic weight and that it had gone broke) the German people reunited on their own accord.The people of Poland likewise labored and endured for their own freedom from the Soviet Empire, led by folks such as Lech Walesa.The Afghans had already fought the Soviets for ten years. Apart from rendering them military aid (which alone isn't merit for your argument) they crafted their own government (which has had a tumultuous history of its own ever since).Japan was already becoming a democratic state prior to World War II. Their transition into one can pretty much be traced back to Commodore Perry's boys coming into Tokyo Bay in 1854.Italy was also already a marginal democracy before Mussolini took over. And speaking of which, it should be pointed out that Hitler's principle rise to power came about because of democracy.Let's be clear here: if we are going to talk of democracy, then we should understand that this means a people's right to self-government. It does NOT mean that they should have a government in America's own image.Hell, ours is screwed-up enough as it is. Why should we want to inflict it on any other countries?
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Oct 15, 2008 3:34:08 PM CDT
"Tell that to East Germany, Japan, Ukraine, Italy, Poland"
by hawaiian organ donor
You mean countries that don't embrace a religion that is counter-intuitive to democracy and at one point in their centuries or millenniums of history probably achieved democracy on their own at one time or another?
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It's the cold hard truth. Muslim countries make women second class citizens. Until a country is ready to say every person within it's borders shall have equal rights regardless of race, gender or sex, there can be no true democracy and they aren't likely to appreciate the concept.
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Where do you get your 39/29% Dems/Repubs for the polls bits? I read an article last week saying its going to be even more of a land slide because most pollsters are still calling up registered voters 50/50 from each party. And there are far more registered Democrats now.......where is your source? I can't fucking believe you are trying to make an argument how the polls are innaccurate. Dude....Virginia? The mere fact that it is even discussed is fucking shocking. The state has not gone blue in over 30 years. This shows how utterly fucked and out of touch your cunt-rag party is.
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That is not racism at all. It is culturalism. Some cultures operate differently. What the fuck do you not comprehend about that? Oh I get it.....this is the Republican good cop/bad cop thing right? Now we are the racists......oooooooohhhhh okay. EAT DICK FUCKER.
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Need I remind you that if it were up to your party, women would not have the right to do what they wish with their own bodies? This is modern day Women's Suffrage. Its women having to fight for their rights all over again. And what about the Violence Against Women's Act, Abortion Kit Legislation, and Equal Pay Act-- that McCain voted against....you want to get into some of that shit since you're so concerned about women? You are far too ignorant to give me a history lesson motherfucker.
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Show me your source where pollsters were calling 39% Dems and only 29% Republicans.....you talk a lot of shit, now show your source.
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http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/, the best polling site on the web, is predicting a landslide win for Obama right now. They have no political affiliation, so if you're shitting on them too allow me to point you to Steven Colbert: "Reality has a liberal bias."
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What's funny is that the Democratic party is by no means very good, they are a slightly moderate party at most with a shitload of corporatism through them. More at this link: http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/10/15/ruffini/index.html
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About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of Athenian Republic some 2000 years earlier: “A democracy is always temporary in nature: it simply cannot exist as a pemanent form of government.”
“A democracy will continue to exist up until the time voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.”
“From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.”
“The average age of the world’s greatist civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years.”
“During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:
1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
3. From courage to liberty;
4. From liberty to abundance;
5. From abundance to complacency;
6. From complacence to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage
Professor Joseph Olsen of Hamline University School of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota points out hebelieves the United States is now somewhere between the “complacency and apathy” phase of professor Tyler’s definition of democracy, with some 40% of the nations population already having reached the “governmental dependency” phase.
Just a tidbit.
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that if McCain wins, everyone doesn't decide it's because everyone is racist...
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..too busy to immediately SHIT ON YOU, JACK. FUCK you, calling me a racist. Who the fuck do you think I AM, anyway - John McCain? What, have you been drinking out of Chrism's sippy cup again?
Where in the holy hell did you even get the IDEA that I'm anti-Muslim from my post? I went back and re-read it before I started typing here, and for the life of me, I can't see how anybody but an deluded prick with a huge rash where his brain should be could so thoroughly misinterpret that post so as to think that I'm "Opposed" to Arab/Persian/Middle Eastern people in any way....
Let's get something straight, asshole - I'm as big a defender of democracy as anybody you'll ever meet - if for no other reason than it allows dipshits like you to foam at the mouth in a public way that many of us find vastly entertaining.
I think that Democracy would be a pretty goddamn good idea for all mankind - but I also know what Thomas Jefferson said about it: That it's "The Worst Form Of Government On Earth - Except For All The Others." And there are some societies that flat-out just aren't ready for it right now - and I'm NOT saying that they never will be. I'm saying that modern day Wahabiism-style theocracies are perfect examples. As are West Texas Dispensationalist Armageddonists, Asian Steppes freaks that long for the return of Genghis Khan and other similar spiritual termites.
Shit, I give thanks that Arab universities and religious institutions kept the written word and art alive while Europe was going through it's own dark ages 600 years ago. The Persians kept mathematics not only viable, but actually moved it forward while the dogmatic morons of medieval Europe (like you) were trying everything in their power to stamp out learning once and for all. Too bad that kind of backwards thinking eventually poisoned Islam, too.
Racist, am I? You Pig Fucker. The last woman I dated before I met my wife was Punjabi, and she was fucking GREAT, and we had to break up because HER tightassed bigot family wouldn't let her see a caucasian unless he was rich enough - but they'd let ANY violent scumbag of her own ethnicity take a swing at her. Last I saw of her she was moving to Atlanta in a hope to get the fuck away from her relatives and live a free, democratic American life - an act I encouraged her to do, at the cost of our own relationship. So Shove It Up Your Ass, you self-righteous Republican son of a bitch.... -
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Polls are skewed and constantly inaccurate. John Kerry was the projected winner right up to the final vote in 04 and so was Gore in 00.
I have a very bad feeling that this election will be like 00- a month long, protracted result that just pisses everyone off.
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Professor Olsen is being very optimistic at most and horribly naive at worst.We are without a doubt now firmly in the dependency and bondage stage.Look at how many here are hostage to the singular mentality of the "Conservative/Liberal" false dichotomy.If that is not indeed slavery, then I don't know what is.
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Was it because I said I actually like Bush? Or was it because I pimped my blog WeWillMissBush.Wordpre --- AUUUUUUGHHHHHHHH.... no.... nooooo.....
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I dont understand why freedom of speech and thought is a bad thing. Isnt that what America is supposed to stand for.
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Oct 16, 2008 1:25:08 AM CDT
Coughlin Laws magical adventure injesting feces....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
What a glorious cunt you are!!
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Step right up Doctor Who? and Knight Shift. Erudite, reasoned, informative, well thought out, intersting, just good fucking posts. Pity about that complete fucking idiot Coughlins's spouting more of his misinformed shite. Doc- that stages thing is brilliant- if America is currently moving between complacency and apathy, then the UK which is a much older democracy (and passed the 200 year threshohold ages ago)is well and truly lodged in Dependance moving back to Bondage (look it up- 42 day detention, forced ID cards, suspension of Habeus Corpus, etc- I could go on and on with this), the NHS is the third largest employer in the world, over 1/3 of all jobs in the UK are government to some degree. We are what you have to look forward to if you don't do something about you're shitty 2 party system. Great, great work, gents. Have 1,000,000 internets each.
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WHOEVER gets in in this upcoming election will be a close second. Obama or McC.... These next 4 years will be awful.Socialized medicine, destroyed economy, pulling out of the middle east letting the terrorists take over rebuilding countries.... We're in for a world of pain...
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and unbelievbable stupid steps. Our minister for Finance announced on budget day that Medical Cards for the 70s(and over)will be witdrawn and From Now on be means tested. This is going to be catastrophic for all old people in ireland. especially those who cant pay and it will mark bring down the govt and how many old people do you know cant fill out forms and also the govt have taxed everyone. From the wealthy, the middle class, car users, holiday travellers, We know have the largest classes in Europe. They have wrought a path a destruction through irish society. For that Fianna Fail will reep what they sow. Even the education system. They have raised class sizes and once again they have failed provide computers in the class room.
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Aren't you the one who claimed to be the gay lover of John Spencer when he died?
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I agree with more often than not but I kind of find him insufferable when he reviews a film with a political slant. Not so much for his view but for his inability to actually review the movie. He spends more time on the issue that the film is about rather than the film itself. It almost comes off like a free pass. Read the review, he barely mentions anything about the film. It reminds me about his review of Rendition, once again he prattled on about the issue and not about the film which was a terrible piece of work.
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Thank you very much for demonstrating that you are not fit to be taken seriously regarding anything. ACORN has definitely registered fraudulent voters, but you know what? You can't poll fake voters. You can't poll Mickey Mouse, or the same person 10 times. Please explain to me how voter registration fraud affects the polls? It doesn't because you can't poll fake people. And you do understand this is done by telephone, right? They don't call the same person at the same number five times because they show up at five different addresses. Also voter registration fraud happens in every election, it happened to the Republicans in California in 2006. Did you know there has never been a single case of large scale voter fraud, ever? The system we have works great, you have to sign in and verify your residency. Anyway barring some terrible October surprise your grimacing, snorting, and generally un-presidential McCain -- who got where he is by marrying into money and having an Admiral father -- is going to get crushed by a well-spoken self-made black man. And that's what makes America great. Goodbye.
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That's well-spoken, self-made black Socialist.
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Bush has for the most part been a disaster, and this is coming from someone who voted for him. But Jimmy Carter was far worse. The economy has just really started going downhill this year, and there were some good years (economically) in between 2000 and 2008. The term Misery Index was coined for how things were bad under Carter (inflation + unemployment). You had gas lines, the Iran Hostage Crisis, the Russians invading Afghanistan (and we respond with a grain embargo and an Olympic Boycott), the return of the Panama Canal (under threat of violence if we didn't do it). Plus, despite his Habitat for Humanity work, Carter has been the worst ex-President when it comes how he consistently insults and rails against sitting Presidents, mostly Republicans, but it doesn't matter. An ex-President is supposed to be over the fray other than at conventions, but Carter never has followed that mantra. It appears he is a very bitter person inside who knows he was a failed president and can't accept it. I think personally that is why he rips into W the way he does, because he is hoping history will judge Bush worse. And though that could happen, it is doubtful. What is certain is that Carter was judged a failure in his time and history has not changed that view almost 30 years since he left office.
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Absolutely brilliant - most inspired trailer in ages.
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At least vote for somebody. Can't wait to see W.
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Oct 16, 2008 11:06:09 PM CDT
Bush will always be known as the 2nd worse President of the USA.
by w3bzpinn3r
The first will be Obama, should he be elected. Obama will have a Senate and House FULL of socialist democrats, and change this country of ours from a democracy governed by hard work and self sacrifice to a wishy-washy New World version of Eurotrash, where everyone clings to the government for their every need.
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I stand by my statement. Show me the quotes from her that actually monger hate. Show me where she has incited hate on the part of her supporters.
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See the trailer at this site before you wax rhapsodic about Obama...
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Definitely Carter, although an Obama Administration will eclipse even this Palestinian apologist (i.e., Carter).
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... and I don't doubt for a second that it happened. Add to that the fact that I'm NOT a fan of GWB (I voted for him, but it was ALWAYS the lesser of two evils.), but I have to take issue with your statement of how the country has changed so much in 8 years. Both sides love to scare the hell out of people by warning them about how terrible the country will be once so-and-so is president.
Honestly, people, how much has the country changed since GWB became President? Have any of you been hauled off to a concentration camp? Have you lost your civil liberties? (Yes, I hate the Patriot Act too, but I don't know a soul who has been incarcerated because of it, do you?) The President has a LOT of powers, but he can't do anything permanent without the help of Congress... And WHO has been running Congress for the past two years??
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Since when do the liberals have a trademark on that? It's the liberal goon squad that wants to bring back the so-called "Fairness Doctrine" that will allow the 90% liberal media steamroll over the 10% that is talk radio.
There, I opened the can or worms...
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Didn't love it. Everyone was great in it. Great portrayals of Powell, Rice, and Cheney. Dreyfus was great. Brolin was great. But the movie just seemed a bit too broad. Too on the nose. And I'm no fan of Bush and think that Palin/McCain will lead to more economic disaster, pre-emptive warfare in Middle eastern countries, and all out douchebagery for the US.
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...it had been well established that Coughlin's Law is a retard.is the jury STILL out on this? I thought we had verification?
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http://dirtyharrysplace.com/?p=5078
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I'm going to be semi-serious for the first time here.
Harry, you think George Bush is a fuck-up, and granted, he's made some mistakes.
But if you look at the man's track record regarding the single most important issue in our world today, the protection of unborn life, you see that he's saved millions of lives in the last eight years.
Who else can say that? The Obamanation won't be able to, if he's elected.
And you, Harry, what have you really done to help your fellow man? Create a website about movies, where you peddle your biased rants about movies, paid for by studio gift packs and God knows what else?
Please.
Neither you or your pal Ollie Stone have done anything to really impact humanity.
How dare you sit back and bash a man who has?
See Bush's TRUE and most meaningful accomplishments HERE: http://www.priestsforlife.org/elections/consequences.htm.
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Harry, you're also a hateful, racist liberal snob who thinks the South is filled with stupid, ignorant, inbred hicks.
The truth is quite different, except you and your liberal pals, who claim to care so much for humanity, will never see past your hate and bigotry to see it.
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long winded and disjointed!
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Oct 19, 2008 11:00:27 AM CDT
You left out the best supporting performance of the whole movie
by greenleaf1
Toby Jones as Karl Rove was my favorite supporting performance of the movie. He looks like such a teddy bear, but he's really the architect of everything Bush has done. I especially love the scene with the cabinet where he starts speaking and Powell asks what he is even doing in the room. Great great movie.
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..then maybe there'd be room here to actually discuss the merits of this FILM and not whether GW Jr. is the biggest flaming prick in the universe, which even Republican's would have to admit he is. The worst thing is that when I read the back and forth all I can think about is how brilliantly the "us vs. them" structure of modern politics works. "You suck! No YOU suck!" Meanwhile they BOTH suck, we all get fucked and the REAL bosses laugh their asses off that even after hundreds of years the same bullshit works like a charm. Thanks for proving them right suckers, again, and again and again. Hey, let's all agree to meet back here in 3 years to see if anything is actually any better or if it's same old shit. It'll be the same old shit...
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How many unwanted children have you adopted? 'Cause see, that's what always get's me, Right to Life'rs that want every single baby to live, but then accept none of the responsibility for the aftermath. If you haven't adopted an unwanted baby ALREADY then your, and anyone's Right to Life stance, is pure BULLSHIT, end of discussion.
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So by that same logic, how many babys have you killed? End of discussion.
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I'm sorry is it inappropriate to talk about killing children? Because that is what you're advocating right? However, you just probably like to call it "choice".
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Your logic is flawed. I do not advocate abortion,merely the right to individual choice. I can believe in a woman's right to choose but on a personal level believe that one choice is better than another. It's really two seperate subjects, but lumping them together kinda works to make a pro-CHOICE stance a pro MURDER stance. It would be nice if every person who gets pregnant were worthy of having children, but I know many are not, and simply getting laid does not equal a lifelong commitment to raise and nuture another human being. I haven't killed ANY babies to answer your question, nor do I advocate doing so. Unfortunately there are many decisions, great and small, that people make every day that might be better left to someone wiser than those making them, but how are those people ever going to truly learn for themselves if you don't allow them the capacity to do so? I don't have a collosal enough ego to think I'm so goddamned right that I can tell others what to do with their very bodies, I'll bitch a blue streak about ideas, concepts and opinions but lines have to be drawn somewhere, and I reckon a person's body is about the last thing they have to truly call their own. It doesn't belong to a city, state, or church, and it is not subject to my opinions, values or beliefs, nor yours, no matter how strongly held. You can't sell it man, no truly thinking person who really has respect for their fellow human will buy it. Real spiritual and intellectual maturity understands the necessity for free will, whether people exercise it wisely or not, it's part of the process. It's the all mighty creators plan, not mine, take it up with him.
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Your logic is flawed. I do not advocate abortion,merely the right to individual choice. I can believe in a woman's right to choose but on a personal level believe that one choice is better than another. It's really two seperate subjects, but lumping them together kinda works to make a pro-CHOICE stance a pro MURDER stance. It would be nice if every person who gets pregnant were worthy of having children, but I know many are not, and simply getting laid does not equal a lifelong commitment to raise and nuture another human being. I haven't killed ANY babies to answer your question, nor do I advocate doing so. Unfortunately there are many decisions, great and small, that people make every day that might be better left to someone wiser than those making them, but how are those people ever going to truly learn for themselves if you don't allow them the capacity to do so? I don't have a collosal enough ego to think I'm so goddamned right that I can tell others what to do with their very bodies, I'll bitch a blue streak about ideas, concepts and opinions but lines have to be drawn somewhere, and I reckon a person's body is about the last thing they have to truly call their own. It doesn't belong to a city, state, or church, and it is not subject to my opinions, values or beliefs, nor yours, no matter how strongly held. You can't sell it man, no truly thinking person who really has respect for their fellow human will buy it. Real spiritual and intellectual maturity understands the necessity for free will, whether people exercise it wisely or not, it's part of the process. It's the all mighty creators plan, not mine, take it up with him.
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Right. And the earth is flat.
Welcome to the Dark Ages.
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That it came in at #4 for the weekend. Screw Oliver Stone and is self righteous, pro left agenda!!! And I mean that in the nicest way...
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What's up with that?
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This weekend's box office totals had W coming in 4th place...behind that talking/dancing Chihuahua flick and 'The Secret Life of Bees'. I hope hollywoody stops funding Stone's dillusional historical fantasy flicks. Haven't seen it. Don't want to see it. The singing dog flick looks better and more realistic.
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You left out George's gradfather ammassing wealth by financing the Nazis. And that's a fact, look it u. And Bush Sr. orchestrating a savings and loan scam for his cronies who laundered cocaine money through the banks. Deja vu.
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I used to be a Democrat, then I woke up and realized they are allllmost as crooked and corrupt as the Neocons. Need proof? Obama voted yes on the bank heist er I mean bank "bail-out" when what, 99% of Americans were vehemently opposed to it. I wonder why, could it be because it's unconstitutional and sets up a fascist dictatorship for the banks in America?
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It's simple, look at his capaign contributions. Change, indeed.
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ALMOST? The mandate from the sheeple was loud and clear when they booted the Repub's from office and installed a Dem Congress, then that useless nothing Pelosi immediately took impeachment "off the table" and promptly did....nothing. The fix is in, the sheeple lose once again, same as it ever was. Look at the way the media marginalized Ron Paul, a true patriot and the only REAL Republican, everything he said every presidential candidate should have been "me too'ing" to since all he advocated was following the constitution, which they all swear to uphold, but there those fucking dicks stood, rolling their eyes and pursing their lips and squirming like worms on a hot sidewalk at words like freedom, unlawful war and constitution. Drag them kicking and screaming out of their plush offices and high-court chambers and string them all up, nothing less will do, they are traitors to us all and if people can't figure out who the REAL enemies are, the enemies of our great country, then it is truly lost.
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Harry, you're going to lose weight in an Obama presidency because you'll be standing in the US Government soup lines. But, hey, if you like "spreading the wealth around" go for it. I just know I'd rather have someone who knows what he's doing instead of a wet-behind-the-ears-idealist.
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but Dick Cheney and the Project for a New American Century trumps any psychotic socialist conspiracy the weak hearted Democrats have to offer.
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Theres a lot of scary rumblings from the underground media surrounding Obama.
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I dare the Democrats to top that one.
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and people so desperately want someone different than Jr. they'd accept someone with shifting morals and almost no experience. People like Palin because at least she's something hot standing next to that twisted ogre McCain, but his constant brow-beating of "Joe the Plumber" was embarassing, as if he gives a rats ass. Things are being put on the back burner as the election approaches, they'll keep the economy lurching along by hook or by crook, at least until the derivatives come calling and then the REAL shit will hit the fan and no amount of useless paper is gonna snuff out that hurricane of misery. When the dollar tanks to the level they need it to, and they DO need it to, when you're paying $15 for a loaf of bread, when you can get it, and your bank will only give out money on tuesday's and thursday's, if they are open at all, people will be grateful to tears for the new North American Union to be installed, a return to semi-normalcy and the illusion of a solid currency, the vaunted Amero. By that time Is-Ra-El will get their wish and launch an attack on Iran whether we want them to or not because they know their bought and sold Washington puppets will back them and the 50-70% unemployment rate will give them all the soldiers they need to toss aside all pretext and just become the warmongering super-powered monster we've been behind the scenes all these years. Obama knows it, McCain knows it, hell they already know who's gonna win, one of them is just going through the motions the same way John Kerry did. The slide ends in a nice deep cheese grader and your asses are whisking straight toward it people. Molester, sorry about the misnomer.
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There's now government operations and propaganda directed at Russia, you could say that it's similar to the Bin Laden bullshit we were being spoonfed leading up to 911. I also suspect they might scrap the Amero and an official North American Union altogether, they can continue merging our economies relatively surreptitiously and perhaps openly create a new currency merged with Europe(which some European leaders are openly calling for as part of a solution to the engineered economic collapse) I don't know, lol, just thinking out loud. Right now they have the political climate to roll out some economic "solutions," like a new currency, but any talk of an official North American Union is going to create massive resistance from Americans.
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media advisers. McCain is the brave hero with the impeccable war record. obama is the Harvard prof who worked with the poor. If you think that the bill ayers stuff is sinister. ulster unionists in northern ireland have said for years that ex irish leader Charles Haughey help create the most feared para-military group in europe, the Provisional Ira. and of course Gadaffi helped fund the IRA. Fianna Fail denied that haughey helped arm Ira and history will show that fianna fail are wrong.. yet we all know thanks to a superb documentary series called Hidden History that one very senior cabinet minister was a IRA murder. and that Two Nazi war criminals joined the party after the war. they dont mention these things and never have.
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why do republicans loathe the idea that McCain is an angry old man. I only ask cause there was interview with james rubin and Cheri Jacobson. republicans find the term angry old man offensive. Why? odd one that.
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so follow policy folks. I don't want big government, I don't want wealth 'spread around'. We're a country built on capitalism, and I see no reason to let the government take away the working public's ambition to be successful by taking away what they have earned.
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Oct 22, 2008 5:09:35 PM CDT
Bumpersticker presale -- Don't Blame Me I Voted For Mccain
by matthooper8
Get them at www.thecountryisfinished.com
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All hail the messiah
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Just thought I'd pipe in incase no-one had noticed.
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I guess if you're constantly sucking the left's schlong you might find W somewhat amusing. But otherwise, ZZZZzzzzz..........
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Geez, geek molester, time to get a tighter aluminum hat.
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Yeah, it was. Sorry to interrupt your regularly scheduled CNN brain wash.
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Poland was a democratic country durning the short period of 20 years, after the first World War and before the second. Before that, since late XVIII century, Poles were thwarted with the three partitions of Poland (1772, 1793, and 1795) which ended with Poland's being erased from the map and its territories being divided between Russia, Prussia, and Austria.
After secod World War, polish pepole we're sacrificed, and had to endure another 44 years of Russian rules. Because of Roosevelt’s and Churchill’s disastrous foreign policy that casted Poland into Communist captivity.
After the fall of Soviet Union, and thanks to Lech Walensa's movement, "Solidarity" which over time became a major political force, Poles had taken back their freedom (yeah i know it sounds just like line from Braveheart).
I wanted to clear this up, because i’m from Poland. And i want to state that USA had no involement in the collapse of communism in Poland, as someone stated before.
We did it all by ourselfs, thanks.
Yes, you yanks were involved in putting our country back at the world map in 1919 (thank's to president's Woodrow Wilson's Fourteen Points), but to put it bluntly it was only on paper, and polish folks had to fight for their freedom on their own, without any military help from USA, UK or France for that matter.
I don’t mean no dissrespect, just correcting things.
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"regarding the single most important issue in our world today"
Unborn = perfect
Born = Fuck'em!
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Im starting a new trend.
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i believ they had the highest percentage dead of any country. something like 13% of hteir population wiped out from being in the eye of the shitstorm.
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The film felt a bit incomplete, but Josh Brolin was excellent!
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The film felt a bit incomplete, but Josh Brolin was excellent!
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The film felt a bit incomplete, but Josh Brolin was excellent!
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It's been a while.
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It's been a while.
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It's been a while.
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It's been a while.
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It's been a while.
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It's been a while.
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It's been a while.
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I agree with you 100% Harry.
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