Review

THE WILD WILD WEST review

Published at: June 29, 1999, 12:41 a.m. CST by headgeek

Just got back from THE WILD WILD WEST... A movie that has had a troubled ‘net history’. Bad buzz from screenings, ineffective (for me) trailers and a movie with an attitude just crying to be bad mouthed... but ya know what?

This isn’t “THE AVENGERS” or “HUDSON HAWK” or “THE BONFIRE OF THE VANITIES” or “BATMAN AND ROBIN”. This isn’t a wholesale disaster. The movie doesn’t scrape the cinematic scum from the filmic commode. Nope.

But then, it’s not particularly great either.

Instead it is, for me, a bit of an entertaining film made up of moments.

I anticipated getting ready to let Will Smith have it with both barrels. I was fully prepared to write the most hateful diatribe against an actor I could muster... But Will would not let me. He’s just too damn charming. He plays his Jim West as a Timothy Dalton JAMES BOND with a dash of Roger Moore. His verbal banter with Kenneth Branagh is fantastic, though his physical fighting was too ‘edited’ for my tastes. In the post Hong Kong/Matrix universe of wires and digital stuntmen... Will, frankly doesn’t come across as a Sean Connery whupper of asses. Instead he’s a bit like Jar Jar in his action scenes... Sort of dumb-lucking his way through them.

I liked Jim West. Anytime somebody was about to call him a ‘nigge..’ BONK, he’d knock hell out of them. Anytime the word ‘boy..” was used, KeerRACK somebody’s skull was cracking. He also has no qualms about KILLING.

Now I’m gonna go back and forth between things that worked and didn’t work in this film, so you can get the sort of schizophrenic feeling of how the moments could swing from one extreme to the other.

I like Kevin Kline.... sometimes. And this was not one his better moments for me. In fact the level of his badness is hard for me to put into words. Imagine if you shuffled ON HER MAJESTY’S SECRET SERVICE’s James Bond with CASINO ROYALE’s James Bond as a side kick. Kline is a buffoon in WWW. His entrance in the film is TERRIBLE! It is neither funny nor cool to me. Instead it falls completely flat. The whatever it was he was doing on stage was one of the most forgettable stage performances in history. I kept wishing we would have been treated to the style and grace in the order of Lili Von Schtupp. Alas.... His character has ZERO chemistry with Will Smith in this film. As strange as it seems, I kinda wished during the film that Artemus had been played by... Say Don Cheadle. Now I’m not saying this in a, “a white dude and a black dude just don’t cut it sort of way,” but for me... In this universe of THE WILD WILD WEST, I felt that Will Smith was alone. Kevin Kline never once seemed to admire a thing that Will Smith did or felt. Kevin just seemed to exist... point blank... He just took up time on screen, had no character definition... No reason to exist other than to push buttons... not emotional buttons mind you, but tangible ones... the mechanical types. And after the 8th one... well even this becomes routine.

The characters had two radically different ways of doing things. One was through the front door with guns blazing and charm flying... the other was in a corset or behind crepe hair or with a belly bladder. Will’s character had some actual depth, a bit of motivation and always moved forward.

For me, the thought of Don Cheadle playing the intellectual, costume wearing Artemis intrigued me. Imagine having two lawmen in the old west, post-Civil War. Both working in the South. One is not ashamed of who he is or the color of his skin. He’ll walk right in the middle of a buncha redneck bastards and call em out, while the other (Artemus) hid under make-up. Turning himself white, adding the breasts... trying to be anything but who he is. Maybe not ashamed, but taking pride in being able to infiltrate the highest WHITE society and unravel it from within without so much as a bullet fired, would say... fill him with pride and accomplishment. But Kline can’t cut the mustard here.

Well... they tried it with Kevin Kline... but his character came across as ludicrous with no soul in his eyes and a blank face whilst Will Smith came across as the hero, no matter the skin color. HELLO! Both are HEROES!

Ok, ok ok ok... Back to the good.

Kenneth Branagh. Sir, I love you in movies. Branagh is a jewel in character roles, and as the legless LOVELESS, I do believe I have found my favorite Branagh character yet. Every single moment he spends on screen screams coolness. His accent will undoubtedly chew on some people’s ears till they bleed, but to mine... It was the belligerent over the top rousing Senator Calhoun feeling, just shy of FOGHORN LEGHORN but oh so gloriously over the top. All of my favorite moments of this film have Branagh together with Will Smith (with the notable exception of the belly-dance sequence which was one of the greatest embarrassments on film I’ve seen in quite some time. Reminded me of the Michael Lerner dance number in THE MOD SQUAD)

Kenneth’s Arliss Loveless is the best Bond villain in a couple of decades. He chews the scenery and is always the object of focus even when he’s got a giant mechanical spider shooting flames from it’s flame shooter thingee (sorry for the technical terms).

Now back to the bad. WHEW! Man, I can’t believe I’m gonna harp on the beautiful lovely Salma Hayek but my god what a catastrophe. Her character is simply non-existent. She pops up enough to beckon the question, “Why is she here?” But then gone again so quickly that you go, “Where did she go?” And depending who in the aisle asks the question, another person may very well answer, “Who really gives a shit?”

She is strictly eye-candy in the film. Now I have to admit to admiring the open air ass cheeks of Salma Hayek with a fondness akin to that of seeing a scoop of triple chocolate set in a cinnamin waffle cone. Both are simply delicious... and judging from my waist, three guess which I’ve been partaking in.

However, it feels as though someone has taken Marilyn Monroe and placed her as a chorus line hussy who is completely unaware of her charms... BUT not in that.... ‘oh baby I gotta get some of that’ way. Quite honestly they diffused her of her charisma... She doesn’t feel sensual in this film. She doesn’t walk with the confidence that she wields the greatest weapon to face mankind... and it doesn’t shoot lead or brimstone. Before using Salma Hayek in a movie again, will somebody PLEASE take a look at DESPERADO and see how to treat her with the camera. In this setting I kept being reminded of how much cooler Raquel Welch was in the west.

Salma is taking some high profile roles, but... They just are not doing anything for her. It seems they are all playing to her weaknesses and completely abandoning the charm she so easily wields in person.

Back to the good...

The design of this film is just gorgeous. We have to hail Bo Welch and Tom Duffield as well as the costume design of Deborah Lynn Scott. The film is really really beautiful. Everything having to do with Branagh’s Arliss Loveless and his universe is breathtaking. From his look to the mechanical stuff to his headquarters to his women. The only mechanical thingee I don’t like is the flying device, which I preferred in YOUNG SHERLOCK HOLMES.

The beauty of Victorian gadgetry is one of my most favorite aspects of the old Jules Verne, H.G. Wells universe. I love the concept of old fantastical equipment that was perhaps lost in the shrouds of time. Now while I really really love the various mechanized stuff, this throws the film in competition with movies like George Pal’s THE TIME MACHINE, Disney’s 20,000 LEAGUES BENEATH THE SEA, Harryhausen’s MYSTERIOUS ISLAND and FIRST MEN IN THE MOON. And at that level it loses, simply because the lack of elegance... and one of the problems the film has that keeps it from taking it off (besides Kevin Kline’s abysmal performance) is Elmer Bernstein’s score.

Alright, this is where I begin feeling the stones being hurled at me, but listen. I like the score as a stand alone. Away from the film, I think it works, but inside of the film... it just isn’t WESTERNY ENOUGH. I mean.... This is Elmer Bernstein. The man who scored some of John Wayne’s big scores... He scored one of the absolute greatest western scores of all time, THE MAGNIFICENT SEVEN... And going into this film where I sensed the potential of that classic Western theme... but a possible mixing of the awe and grandeur of say... THE TEN COMMANDMENTS or the comedic beats of GHOSTBUSTERS.... Oh man, I was expecting truly great things from this score. In fact... Against all the bad buzz, I was pulling for Bernstein to save the movie. And he does... but only to a degree, and then he hurts it. The score when West is atop Branagh’s train.... it felt ‘ho hum’. And... ya know... That’s Jim West fighting with a bad guy on top of a speeding train and the score felt... ‘ho hum’? Eeeek!

Now just so ya know, I’m not a follower of THE WILD WILD WEST television show. I haven’t watched tons of them, but my father is a devout follower of Jim West and Artemus. He really disliked the film. He was offended not by Will Smith, but in the goofing around fighting where he seemed to simply luck out. “JIM WEST doesn’t just luck out and bungle around! Jim West is calm and cool and kicks ass. Artemus was the bungler,” to quote Father Geek. He liked the cool effects stuff, but hated the mano a mano fist fights of the film. And frankly I really do agree.

If Barry and Will are going to make ALI.... Well, there is going to need to be some modifying of their theory of fight choreography. Because in this film.... like in MEN IN BLACK, it’s sloppy and lazy and unclear as to the motion of the scenes.

So... If that tells you anything about my feelings on THE WILD WILD WEST, I hope you at least get the feeling that if you do go see it... There is the potential to enjoy the film. It is not an Atomic Bomb. But it isn’t a real completely enjoyable film either. I will be seeing it again though this Thursday up in Minneapolis/St Paul as part of that CONvergence convention I’m going to. (Takes place this Thursday through Sunday)

I feel about this movie, alot like I felt with THE MUMMY. I wanted it to be more than what it was. I felt there were a couple of TERRIBLE performances, though Will Smith and Kenneth Branagh are better than any performances in THE MUMMY. The effects are groovy CGI, but it is CGI and you can feel that. But here, they feel a bit like a Pulp cover moving so that’s kinda cool. The women in both are disappointments. Sidekicks are terrible. Overall fun, but not completely satisfying. It made me come home and watch 20,000 LEAGUES BENEATH THE SEA.... What a great movie that is!

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  • June 29, 1999, 1:03 a.m. CST

    It was worse than that

    by eazygw

    The movie was just flat out bad. It made me sick of Will Smith. I never thought that would happen.

  • June 29, 1999, 2:11 a.m. CST

    arachnophobia gargantua

    by Cthulu

    Why can't movies end with a simple duel between the hero and villain, face to face, like those bond movies of yore? When I saw shots of that giant spider and the airplane come up in WWW's trailer, I just shook my head. The TV show relied on uncommon creativity in order to keep things interesting on a small scale. I wonder what this giant spider's purpose is in the movie outside getting blown up real good... by the, er, airplane, I'm guessing. I think I'll pass on the movie and go to the monster truck and tractor pull instead. TRUCKZILLAAAAA!!!

  • June 29, 1999, 3:02 a.m. CST

    Wild Wild West= CRAP!!

    by Chewy

    I don't need to know of the storylone, character development or bad acting. I know this movie will suck because of two things. One being technological gizmos in the Old West. That is just so bullshit. Hell they were lucky to have muskets and six shooters. But in this fucking movie they have all this shit. Gimme a break!! I guess Will Smith still thought he was doing Enemy of the State. Second being the rap or hip-hop music for the film. I'm not saying I hate this kind of music, its just that it dosen't go good with a westerns. The sad part about everything is the box office money this movie will make.

  • June 29, 1999, 3:19 a.m. CST

    WWW not so bad?

    by BalrogWings

    harry- thanks for letting us know that WWW wasn't the total bomb that we've heard. I have fond memories of Jim & Artie's adventures on the small screen and had been looking forward to the film. Regarding Mr. Kline's performance, I wonder if part of the blame could be as a result of him accepting the role after George Clooney's exit? Perhaps there wasn't time for hime to really make the role his own? Good to know that Will Smith and Kenneth Branagh were up to snuff. As for Ms. Hayek, rare is the summer action film with a well-written female role (thank goodness for Jim Cameron) so I guess she did the best with what she had. I must admit, other than the lush production design and costumes, the other aspect of the big screen WWW that had me excited was the anticipation of Elmer Bernstein's score....imagine how crushed I was to read that it was a sub-par effort from this screen legend! Oh well...again I thank you for the hard facts on this much maligned movie...I'll see it with much more realistic expectations now.

  • June 29, 1999, 3:40 a.m. CST

    Hey, I liked Bonfire of the Vanities

    by paragonian

    It wasn't worth the budget though just like I'm sure this one isn't. I loved the part when Tom Hanks went crazy and started shooting the shotgun to get all those dipshits out of his house. A lot of characters were caricatures but they usually are in De Palma films and Al Pacino's best performances besides Heat, Dog Day Afternoon and Serpico are in De Palma films. I was secretly wishing this and The Mummy would bomb but I know they won't and I'm just gonna ruin my karma if I keep wishing bad fortune on films, especially if I haven't even seen them. Just like Sonnenfeld said "You can't fully judge a painting until all the corners are filled in" or something to that effect about all this bad buzz. I would like to know why Will Smith wants twenty million for Phonebooth, I mean what the hell can you possibly do with that much money, wouldn't you rather make a great film. Just like Bud Fox asked Gordon Gecko in Wall Street "How many yachts can you waterski behind. How much is enough?"

  • June 29, 1999, 4:44 a.m. CST

    If WWW Is Another HUDSON HAWK.....

    by mrbeaks

    .....then we're looking forward to another misunderstood classic, but, from what I've heard, Sonnenfeld's latest is more likely to be another AVENGERS. Great sets, but no narrative coherence..... Jon Peters strikes again!

  • June 29, 1999, 5:04 a.m. CST

    Uh-oh...

    by SS_RAT

    If the trailers are anything to go by (and hey, thats what they're for right?? Unless the film's Arlington Road; in which case the trailer IS the film!!) then this film embodies all thats crap, stale and unimaginative about Hollywood in one big summer blockbuster. You just know its going to make shed-loads of moolah (sigh). I hope Will manages to redeem himself with his next film - he's just too damn likeable to fall out with for too long; but hey, dont push it Will...

  • June 29, 1999, 5:29 a.m. CST

    What do you have against On Her Majesties Secret Service?

    by mcarbone

    Comparing Jim West with Lazenby's Bond to me is a good sign. Though I think Connery was a better Bond, Lazenby had skills, man! I think that was the most chicks I've ever seen a Bond get. A classic movie . . .

  • June 29, 1999, 6:02 a.m. CST

    I loved it!

    by John Maddening

    Wow, Harry - I'm shocked! Anyway, I went into this film rather trepidacious, as I do with all films based on TV shows. However, from the opening sequence (based on the original) I was hooked! The West and Gordon characters were virtually the same, with heavy allowances made for Smith & Klein's personalities; it had the same ribald humor; the same pun fights...I really enjoyed the hell out of it! Oh, well. Harry, I'll see you at CONvergence (we're doing a "Phantom Menace" panel Saturday night)!

  • June 29, 1999, 6:07 a.m. CST

    YOU DID IT AGAIN YOU PIG

    by Stefka

    Yet again I am treated to Harry's appreciation of women rather than a review - just like Austin Powers!!!!! I have nothing against asethetic comments on people - just as long as it goes both ways. I expect a review of Tom Cruise's butt when the Eyes Wide Shutt comes out. For Christ's sake Harry WOMEN READ THIS TO YOU KNOW!!!!! Other than that? What the hell is with all of the Bond? I love Bond but you even say that Kenneth is a good "bond vilian". Wrong movie pal. Ps: Where the hell is the review of Will or Kenneth's or Kevin's pleasing attributes? How come they don't get compared to Icecream. Rake in the hormones or share the space Big Boy. Chicks are here too.

  • June 29, 1999, 6:08 a.m. CST

    Come on, Chewie!

    by John Maddening

    CHEWY: Don't blame the film for the technology, the TV show made that up...it's kind of like a Hryy Turtledove alternate history book with a whole lot of Japanese Steampunk (supercool technology still relies on steam engines) manga. That and the only rap music is Will Smith's "Wild Wild West" song, and that's played over the end credits.

  • June 29, 1999, 6:19 a.m. CST

    In other words, a mediocre star vehicle for Will Smith...

    by Oberon

    A helpful review, Harry, and about what I expected - though clearly better than the early buzz was suggesting. And, as I suspected, it's because Smith is to damned charming and likeable to turn even a dog of a movie into something entertaining. I expect I'll have to see this film this week, simply because it's Will Smith, and this is the Fourth of July weekend, and my other half likes Will Smith. But my expectations lever will be clicked on "Modest."

  • June 29, 1999, 6:37 a.m. CST

    It's bad...

    by Candle

    I saw "Wild Wild West" at a preview last night. It is bad. There is no charm, no story, and wooden acting. If you ever saw the television show, you will be very disappointed in this. But, I suppose Warners doesn't care if you ever saw the television show. It portrays the south as rednecks (again). I guess southerners are the last "safe" stereotype. It was just a mess. It's so sad to spend all that money and make a horrible movie.

  • June 29, 1999, 7:14 a.m. CST

    I have ZERO interest in this WWW tripe, but. . .

    by Peter Franks

    what's with knocking On Her Majesty's Secret Service, Harry? Casino Royale is granted, a garbled mess that should have been made as a serious Bond flick, but OHMSS is IMHO the second best Bond film EVER made. In fact it may well be the only 007 work that can truly stand alone from the pantheon of the series as the incredible work that it is. It follows Fleming's novel closer than any of the other films in the series, and Lazenby does a credible job as our hero. Granted Connery IS James Bond, and had this film been made with him I believe it would have toppled the great Goldfinger from it's perch. . .but it is an incredible film nonetheless. I recommend another viewing Harry. . .I can guarantee a far better experience than sitting through this Will Smith garbage we're forced to endure every Summer. "Mr. July 4th" my ass!! JAMES BOND WILL RETURN

  • June 29, 1999, 7:14 a.m. CST

    WWW

    by Sarcastro

    Good call Harry. The movie had charm. I'll give it that. A kid about 10 yrs old sitting behind me at the sneak preview said "This is the worst movie I have ever seen." If you can't win that audience over you are in deep shit. Biggest complaint that you haven't already touched on: Kevin Kline doing his 'Basil Exposition' bit about every thirty minutes. You lose timing and tempo in an action picture if one of the stars has to stop and summarize the plot thus far and reiterate what they are going to do next. Mindless fun for the Mindless Masses.

  • June 29, 1999, 7:14 a.m. CST

    Done What They Set Out To Do

    by Cpt. Matt

    Its sounds like Barry & Will made exactly what they wanted. They could care less about why the original series was a hit and is still popular. They just needed a jumping off point, an idea stolen from somebody else, to make a movie to appeal to Will Smith's audience, 9 to 21 year olds. Personally, I hope this movie crashes and burns, big time. Maybe it will finally get through Hollywood's thick skull that there are more reasons than a cool title and character names when a TV show is a hit.

  • June 29, 1999, 7:22 a.m. CST

    To Johnny Danger & Dr. X

    by The Monitor

    I'm definitely not defending Jon Peters or extravagant spending practices in Hollywood for crap films but if you two think in any way "WWW" won't make AT LEAST $400 million worldwide(and that's not including television rights,videosales,and other ancillary fees),the both of you need to stop smoking whatever IT is you have and give me some.And what do you have against Smith,Johnny Danger?I can really sense sarcasm in your comment about him.Don't forget everyone's favorite movie of last year("Godzilla")now has even turned a profit.

  • June 29, 1999, 7:24 a.m. CST

    Chewy = Ignorance

    by Cpt. Matt

    Technology is the Old West is stupid, huh? Big mechanical contraptions in the late 1800's is tripe? I suppose Verne's Nautilus in the 1860's is also stupid or Well's Martian Tripods in the 1890's are ridiculous. There's a reason its called science FICTION. Get a life, Verne and Wells wrote about this kind of stuff over 100 years ago and they are still popular. Maybe you need to put down the Nintendo and comic books and read a couple of classics.

  • June 29, 1999, 7:28 a.m. CST

    I don't care if the movie sucks...

    by quiscustodiet

    I'm going to see it for Bo Welch's sets. The man is a god, no, he is God! His sets for Beetlejuice and A Little Princess are unbelieveably gorgeous, Joe versus the Volcano and Men in Black fit the style of movie so well it shames me that I call myself a set designer (theatre not film) because I cannot approach his brilliance.

  • June 29, 1999, 7:49 a.m. CST

    DWD: The Crystal Ball Knows All

    by DwDunphy

    This movie will do huge opening business and astound the industry who know it is a lackluster effort. Why? Because of the cynically "plugged-in" demographics, assuring an audience, for a movie that sounds like it only deserves video recognition, and almost guaranteeing sequel talk. Really. Not kidding here. In fact, I'd stake a claim that it will have the second biggest comedy opening (right after AP2) dropping 'Big Daddy' out of that position. As for 'The Mummy', it was good, damn it! It was entertaining! You want the old Universal Mummy movies, well surprise. Those movies can't be made anymore. Modern Tinseltown simply won't back them. Take the good you're given and stop pining for the might-have-been's. DWD (obligatory boost: Star Wars Ep. 1 is good, dammit. Leave Jar Jar alone.)

  • June 29, 1999, 8:59 a.m. CST

    Look Out Below!!

    by positive

    This is the end of Will Smith's streak. A bad concept, poorly executed. How could they have spent $200 mil on this?

  • June 29, 1999, 9:09 a.m. CST

    RE:WWW,SMITH'S ACTING(?), AND HUDSON HAWK

    by MAGNUM1976

    Ok, first off, what is Smith acting up to par? I gues that means we get another interchangable performance right. I mean after all Bad Boys, MIB, ID4 and even Enemy of the State all had the exact same Will Smith in them. the only 2 movies that displayed any acting ability in were Six Degrees of Seperatrion and Where the Day Takes You, and in both of these films, Smith was amazing. Absolutely incredible. But now all he does is this crap. I knew the second I saw the trailer this was THE movie of the summer to skip. I dont know whats worse, a black secret service agent in the old west, and mind you I'm not racist, but would they make a movie like Amistad starring all white folks? I doubt it. And the soundtrack, come on. How bout a victorian peice next witha kicking techno soundtrack. That seems to fit in as nicely as this soundtrack does. And just to destroy all my credibility, I loved Hudson Hawk, it was fun movie that didnt take itslef serioulsy. Not a great film, but a fun one. This one doesnt even look fun, it looks painful!

  • June 29, 1999, 9:35 a.m. CST

    RE: WILL SMITHS A GREAT GUY???

    by MAGNUM1976

    YEAH MOST GREAT GUYS DUMP THEIR WIFE AND KID AS SOON AS THEY MAKE IT BIG HUH? OH BUT WAIT HE REMADE A SONG ABOUT HIM, BIG FRIGGIN DEAL. AS SOON AS A NIVCER PIECE OF ASS CAME ALONG, BIG WILLY WAS ALL OVER IT AND FORGOT ABOUT THAT WHOLE DEATH DO US PART THING.

  • June 29, 1999, 9:36 a.m. CST

    Is Warner Bros. releasing this?

    by Whitey

    I thought they were. If so, it proves yet again how out of touch, uncreative, and greedy they are. Big stars, big FX, reteam star/director from another hit movie, based on other popular material -- essentially The Batman Touch. I've only seen the trailer and each of the several times I've seen, not once has the audience reacted favorably or even interested. No one seems to get it. Sure, they like the song -- but, as with Celine Dion, it soon outstays its welcome. This is what the Nic Cage Superman film would have turned out like! Thank God they scrapped it. As for Will Smith, sure, he can be charming but this "gentleman" image is just that -- an image. He is known as quite the prima donna in Tinseltown, big entourage, expensive demands, demeaning his co-stars -- this going back to Fresh Prince of Bel Air. His own co-star went on-air blasting him. But he knows how to smile for the camera and we buy it. I like Kevin Kline; too bad he got stuck in this. Smart thinking, George Clooney! Got outta this one before you had a "Batman & Robin"-sized dud on your hands again.

  • June 29, 1999, 9:47 a.m. CST

    The Mild, Mild West

    by Rodzilla

    Harry's review confirms pretty much exactly what I was expecting. I also believe Harry will like this film even less after it sits with him for a while. They couldn't even cut together an engaging trailer for this over-produced disaster. I agree with everyone else regarding the boxoffice take. It will open pretty big ( it's the 4th of July weekend for God's sake), and drop off sharply in following weekend, but still stay in the top 10 for five or six weeks. Worldwide it will show a profit even though nobody will really like it, mirroring last year's "Godzilla." I love the TV series, and I was really looking forward to this project right up until I saw the first production artwork and footage. They just got it all wrong. The giant robot spider is only included for big screen, finale spectacle value, but nobody is really very impressed with it or interested in it. I don't have a problem with Will Smith playing James West, but I wanted him to play Jim West, not Will Smith. "Men in Black" was given WAY too much credit by critics and movie fans alike. It was modestly entertaining, but not groundbreaking or really exciting. I expect the same watered down, tailored to please everyone ( but actaully pleases no one in the process), overproduced ( money thrown like tomatoes at a wall), forgetable mess. Only less.

  • June 29, 1999, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Wild West As Long As Its Not Will Smiths

    by Reel Angry

    God forbid Hollywood ever released a film where a white charactor verbally assaulted and or kicked,punched a black and or latin. Its open season on whitey in tinseltown just as long as we're foolish enough to pay for revisionist crap like WILD WILD WEST. Why is it that blacks can yell cracker,honky,whitebread among others racist remarks but a white dare not utter the dreaded N word not even in jest. Will Smith may this film torpedo both your film career and massive ego.

  • June 29, 1999, 10:07 a.m. CST

    INFLATION OR NOT,"WWW IS MAKING MONEY AND MAGNUM1976 YOU'RE FUL

    by The Monitor

    Regarding what Dr.X said about inflation rates in regards to "WWW" making money:I take a marketing class that frequently discusses big summer movies.Do you know why they suck so bad?Because everybody has their hand in the stew,but this also has a good effect for the studio.If various companies know a movie is going to have a "hot" star combined with a "high concept" they're kicking whatever they need to in exchange for being part of that big machine.Warner Bros. ain't putting out squat for advertising or even prints because companies know a big summer film is a publicity coup.That puts Warner Bros. ahead of the game already;they're going to make money off of this.And on a slightly different note:that's some serious bullshit Magnum1976 said about Smith "abandoning" his wife and kids.Were you fucking there in the house with them?!Do your research also:Smith divorced before he hit it big in film and has custody of his child.

  • June 29, 1999, 10:09 a.m. CST

    BIG WILLIE WEEKEND

    by RodimusPrime

    Guys, guys, whether you love or hate this movie, GUESS WHAT? It will make millions and millions of $$$. WHY? Because it's BIG WILLIE TIME!!!

  • June 29, 1999, 10:41 a.m. CST

    The Wild Wild West is lost...

    by Rebel Scum

    Maybe if Warner's would realize that JON PETERS needs his medicore butt fired. He couldn't even produce a good turd if he tried! THANK GOD FOR THE MATRIX!

  • June 29, 1999, 10:56 a.m. CST

    ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE

    by W. Leach

    Put it this way: you can't call yourself a serious Bond fan without recognizing ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE as one of the top Bond films. George Lazenby is a great 007. It's a shame he didn't continue with the role. The movie is the closest Bond adaptation ever, following the book very closely. The 1967 "comedy" CASINO ROYALE is a piece of shit. Why so many people insist it's a James Bond film is one of the great mysterious of life. This mess was a complete ripoff of the Bond franchise, an attempt to steal the thunder away from YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE, released the same year. Why such magazines such as ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY include it alongside the Eon Bond series is beyond me. Hopefully someday a straight, realistic version of this first Bond novel will be attempted. Like OHMSS, it has a downbeat ending, and it is also one of Fleming's most sadistic and graphic books.

  • June 29, 1999, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Long Live The HAWK!!!

    by mrbeaks

    And damn Peter Franks for screwing up the talkbacks. It's bad enough you had nothing to say, but with your unbroken string of HAHAHAHA etc., you made the talkbacks unreadable. Congrats, rookie! Back to HUDSON HAWK..... such a fun, inventive movie. A disastrous production to be sure, but, hell, they thought CASABLANCA was doomed, too. I'm not saying that the HAWK is that timeless, but I haven't encountered many films that can cross-reference so many disparate pop-cultural sources with such aplomb.

  • June 29, 1999, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Hudson Hawk

    by TVGuy

    HH was a fun movie. However, to appreciate it, you've got to be a guy from NJ/NYC who always wanted to be as cool as Frank Sinatra and the rest of the Rat Pack. Sure, we won't ever be as suave as old Blue Eyes, but it sure is fun trying.

  • June 29, 1999, 11:11 a.m. CST

    REELANGRY IS AN IDIOT...

    by The Monitor

    Hmmm...let's see,more than 95% of Hollywood's decision makers are White males(who will do nothing to belittle their self-worth),including "WWW"'s producer(s),director,and screenwriters yet it's "open season on whitey"?ReelAngry,you're REAL STUPID:yes,numbskull,Hollywood DOES make films where Blacks & Latinos are regularly beaten,defamed,and called obscenities by Whites...just take a look at "American History X"(bet that's your favorite film),"Betrayed","Blood In,Blood Out"(it's about the Hispanic community,so you probably haven't seen it),"American Me"(another you haven't seen),and "Taxi Driver,an excellent film that is blisteringly racist.I could go on and on about racism against minorities in Hollywood;you can find it in "Animal House" and even a "wholesome" family film like "Back To The Future"(the Black musicians are stereotyped as pot-smoking thugs and called "coons"),but what's the point?ReelAngry,get your head out of your ASS,join the rest of the world in progressing or simply drop off the face of the Earth...

  • June 29, 1999, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Mr Beeks. . .Muahahahahahahahahahahaha (nt)

    by Peter Franks

  • June 29, 1999, 11:30 a.m. CST

    What went wrong in Wild WIld West? an epic poem

    by Clomey Josaraph

    Perhaps it was the egos or Kline's too-tight speedos, or just that it didn't have little baby greedo. Perhaps it was Will Smith, he career going poof-tifft with every remarkable fart of a movie he rips. Or pretty little Miss Selma who looked so overwhelma but her acting stank so we need to deodorize the filma. Whatever it was, West, a lost cause, will certainly still make some cash. For even shit, will be a big hit, when Burger King grabs a hold of its ass.

  • June 29, 1999, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Kline & Hudson

    by Alessan

    Kevin Kline gave a bad performance? Mr. "Don't Call Me Stupid" not funny? I'll take your word on this, Harry, but O how the mighty have fallen! As for Hudson Hawk, the film is the working definition of a cult classic. More quirkey than funny, defying logical and physical laws, and chock-full of Hitchcock references (calling Mr. Kaplan!) It also had Bruce nearly returning to his true, Dave Addison self, as well as some incredible usical numbers. All together now: "...you could be swinging on a star!"

  • June 29, 1999, 12:51 p.m. CST

    RE: Wow, Monitor lives with Big Willy...

    by MAGNUM1976

    Apparently so. Granted I dont live there so I dont know the exact facts of his dumping his wife and kid, but I'm pretty willing to bet you dont either, though the way you stick up for him, I'm sure youd love to share a place with him. But he certainly did dump her after he started hiting it big. Maybe your not aware of this, but Big Willie boy hada a few records out way the hell back and was in a TV show as well. During this time period he was married. He was certainly doing well for himself then and somewhere betweenthis time and his intellectually corrosive explosion onto the screen he dropped her like a ton of bricks. And I'm not totally sure about the custody thing, but I do know that in the last year, Will was hauled into court for jipping the mother of his child on his support payments. That makes an asshole in my book. As for this movie, give me a fucking break, my 10 year old nephew saw the coming attraction with me when we went to see Star Wars and he thought the movie looked stupid.

  • June 29, 1999, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Umm, Monitor

    by GodBear

    Listen Monitor, just because a movie has racists in it does not make it a racist movie. Most of those movies you mention have racists in them, sure, but it's all portrayed in a negative way. Deniro's character in taxi driver is a racist, but it's not like the movie is trying to convince you to be like him. And the comment about Back to the Future? First off, how the musicians are stereotypical pot-smoking thugs is beyond me. Sure they are smoking weed in the car, but they are never portrayed by any scene or by any favorable character that it is bad or that it is a stereotypical thing that African Americans do. The only person who says anything is one of Biff's goons who calls them reefer addicts, which seems to make the white dude look even more stupid than before, in the light of modern attitudes toward the ganja. And I think he calls them Spook,not Coon. "Beat it spook, this don't concern you." But once again, this comment is made by someone the audience has no affinity for, the "bad guy" if you will, which if anything makes the audience think that this opinion is wrong, not right. In the end it is the black guys from the band who Marty ends up jamming with, and the other dudes who get manure piled on them (granted it is actually earlier in the film). So I have to disagree with your opinion that this scene has racist content. Any scene which portrays racists in a bad light can't be racist in purpose, can it. Unless you would like to remove all racist comments from all movies,and I don't think anyone wants that. The only thing I can maybe get out of this scene is that maybe musicians in general smoke a lot of weed. And I'll tell you, I know a lot of musicians and they... uh, nevermind. AnywayI agree with you that Hollywood may have a problem with its portrayal of African Americans , but I believe it's much more subtle. Last night I went to see Blade at a preview for a new theatre and it occurred to me why I have never liked any of his other Action Films. They suck! I think Wesley Snipes is a bad mutha and made for action roles but up till now no good action roles have been given to African Americans. There may have been a few but for the most part they aren't the bigger budget high exposure projects. Anyway, here endeth the babbling.

  • June 29, 1999, 12:58 p.m. CST

    MONEY = QUALITY? SINCE WHEN?

    by MAGNUM1976

    Why does everyone want to support the argument that this piece of crap will make money therefore it must be good. One has nothing to do with the other, movies like the English Patient, Army of Darkness, Out of Sight, etc. didnt do all that well at the box office but they were great. I guess this means that movies like Titanic is simply best movie evr made. Absolutely not.It sucked! Take this argument to the absloute extreme and you can say that the Nazi's made a shitload of money by stealing everything from the jews, so I guess they were good too, huh? I can understand if someone likes this movie, thats fine. I can totally respect that opinion, but try to make an argument for why you liked it aside form it'll make money. I have no doubt about 2 things here. 1, the movie will make money, and 2, it'll suck. Make your arguments on what you think and feel, not on reasons that have nothing to do with the quality or lack thereof of the film.

  • June 29, 1999, 1:05 p.m. CST

    trailer and hayek

    by badgerst

    I saw all i needed to in the trailer and Selma Hayek couldnt carry Jennifer Lopezs' or Cath. Zeta Jones' thong. bring on eyes wide shut.

  • June 29, 1999, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Harry you dumbass, OHMSS is the BEST Bond flick EVER, hands down

    by HCaulfield

    "...Loveless is the best BOND villian in a couple of decades" uhhhh, yeah..ok. <nutjob>...

  • June 29, 1999, 1:10 p.m. CST

    RE: MONITOR'S RACISM REMARKS

    by MAGNUM1976

    How can anyone say that American History X is a movie promoting racism? Are you a friggin idiot? Have you seen the movie? It is one of the strongest anti-racist movies I have ever seen. It totally shows how stupid and idiot the skinheads are. And Animal House?? Give me a fucking break, it was alight hearted comedy, not to mention I am sure that if the situation occured where a bunch of rich preppy white boys walked into a bar populated primarily by africans in the 60's, or whenever that was supposed to take place, nothing at all would be said right? Yeah, that wasnt a rough time for race relations in this country was it? No, everyone love done another! If your gonna make a comment about racism, look at a movie like Higher Learning, where we can learn all white men are racist skinheads or date rapers. For god's sake, why is it politically incorrect anymore to even allude to the fact that race relations werent always good. Bad news, there was slavery. It was a horror and a terrible thing, but it did happen. Not liking it and thinking it was a bad time does not make it go away. And african cowboys in the old west was dealt with already several times before in a way that was beleiveable. You know its bad when Posse is the more beleiveable of movies. But also TNT has done quiet a few movies dealing with african cowboys in a way that dealt with the racist beliefs of the times without lingering on them. But in this day and age, I dont understand why the past cant just be awknowledged( wow i fucked up spelling that one) and move on already! We are all equal today, thats great. we always werent, thats bad, but bitching about it isnt going to change it!

  • June 29, 1999, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Listen to me very carefully, MAGNUM

    by Alessan

    I suggest that you be very, very cautious with your Holocaust similes. Some people may find them as cheapening the tragedy. In this case, "some people" means me. Certain subjects should not be taken lightly. This is one of them.

  • June 29, 1999, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Prove my point

    by MAGNUM1976

    I am not cheapening anything, I am pointing out a fallicy in the money means good argument. It is a tragedy but not one that can never be spoken of. Hell, I am half American Indian, how do you think I feel about this stuff? The holocasut happened, deal with it, were practically wiped off the face of this continent, deal with it, Stalin wiped out a shitload of russians, deal with it. Thses are all tragic events. But being so damn sensitive about them that we cant even mention them is so rediculous. Its sad that the politically correct times we live in make it so that nothing bad can ever be spoken of, unless its done by Steven Speilberg and wins academy awards.

  • June 29, 1999, 1:34 p.m. CST

    WWW = SPHERE

    by Devils Halo

    1) Directed by Barry's with really good track records. 2) Films by Warner Bros. - they have a penchant for bringing us some crappy films (except The Matrix). And about Harry's review... Did we see the same film? It was overall bad. Bad acting, bad story, bad score and not all bad vfx (but those greenscreens were kinda awful to look at.) I was there last night and shook my head at most of the film. How can you like Branaugh's Loveless? Unless you were expecting an over the top performance that makes McDowell's Soran look like a real humanitarian. Kilne's Gordon isn't a real good 'sidekick' to Smith's West. He falls flat on most of his lines and doesn't have a real good presence in the film. Hayek's Escobar, well, I guess she's just there for brief glimpses of T & A (as well as Loveless' babes.) Overall, bad bad bad, I'm glad I didn't have to pay to see this, which probably explains your 'mild' review. I hope this doesn't make large amounts of box office revenue. Because Enemy of the State was a much better film and deserved better than it's box office draw. WWW doesn't. Warner Bros. seems out to kill their projects (with the Matrix exception, but just wait till the sequel. And if you're saying, 'what sequel?' just wait, you think they'd pass up the chance to make quick easy bucks at a film's expense? ie. Batman, Lethal Weapon, Superman) Oh and Harry, why are you comparing this film to Bond film's? Shouldn't you be comparing it to Men in Black? Gee, it seemed like MiB had the same amount of gadgets including huge bugs (Ok, an insect and an arachnid.) Only one film had good chemistry between the characters and one did not. One film had a decent story, the other didn't. WWW had a lot of potential but the last credits assured me of who was responsible for a crappy film... Peters Entertainment.

  • June 29, 1999, 2:41 p.m. CST

    the hawk

    by Sponge

    "i guess you won't be attending that hat convention in july."

  • June 29, 1999, 3:48 p.m. CST

    OHMSS

    by RobinP

    I don't know when this God forsaken shitpile of a country is going to have WWW released here, so I can't comment. (Hell, we're stillwaiting for Carpenter's Vampires ! One thing I will say though, Lazenby wasn't as bad a Bond as popular opinion makes him out to be. OHMSS was an excellent Bond movie, Lanzenby gave Bond a depth and a vulnerability Connery could never attain. When Tracey dies, you feel his pain. If you really want a Bond movie to drag backwards through the cesspit, go for Moonraker !

  • June 29, 1999, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Bunny.....ball, ball!!!!!!!

    by Zeus Xerxes

    God Damnit....I respected you Harry. Until you slighted one of the most underappreciated movies of all time, "Hudson Hawk". Hopefully, you are just referring to the troubled times it had, and you actually are a closet fan. Lookee...lookee...almost all seventeen of us "Hudson Hawk" fans have posted on Talk Back. When are people gonna understand the humor of this movie, and when is Bruce gonna do comedy again, and am I the only one who liked "Blind Date" too? jz

  • June 29, 1999, 4:16 p.m. CST

    Harry's 'Review' and my comments on talkbackers

    by Mr Angry

    First of all, Harry can't write reviews to save his damn life. Reading this one was painful. It appears he's too afraid to say what he really thinks until he hears other peoples' opinions; at least that's the way it sounds. Just say what you really think, Harold.. but then again, maybe you are, in which case, sheesh. Normally he just plays safe and likes everything. What the fuck is it with bringing up the analogies to Bond movies? This isn't a Bond movie, not even close to the same genre. Just because it has gadgets and spies means nothing - it's the HG Welles vibe. I think when Harry makes the stupid statement "Branagh is the best Bond villain ever" he's trying to make a clever remark that he _should_have_been_ the best Bond villain ever, _if_ this was a Bond movie, except the simile is dumb and hamfisted. His angle in the review is WWW=Bond, which just doesn't go anywhere. And just weak. --- Now, the talkbackers: "eazygw" and "C'thulu" are smart. 'Nuff said, their points are well seen. "Dr X" has a good comment in his first post. Leave it at that, I agree with him. "Stefka" has a very straight line about Harry's (giving him the benefit) insensitivity (or letting him have it) blatant sexism. Cut it out, Harold, it sounds stupid, at the very least. "DwDunphy" as usual posts perseptive and insightful comments, always worth paying attention to. "SSZero" is, as usual, a total dipshit, second only to "LeiaHumpinEwok" - the biggest fucking idiot to post in these talkbacks so far. OHMSS the BEST Bond flick? Maybe a good one, but not the best. Lazenby wasn't that great, which is why they sacked him. No charisma. Mainly tho', LHEwok's an idiot for being a loudmouth and for saying TPM sucked. You may not have liked it, but it _was_ a good movie. People who didn't 'get' it don't grokk where Lucas is going with SW yet, or didn't understand the (quite well hidden) real plot of the film, which no doubt they finally will in 2005 and go "OOOOh now I get it!" - fuckwits who thought ESB is what SW is all about. Fools. Anyway, enough of that. "MAGNUM1976" is pretty stupid for bringing Will Smith's private life into the talkback, I mean, who gives a shit? He's a bastard because he left his wife? Maybe she was a cunt? Who fucking knows, is the real point, and who are you to judge? Get a life. Staying with someone for the wrong reasons and creating a disfunctional environment for a kid, programming another poor little fucker with negativity and aggression, is even worse than just leaving and letting nature take it's course. Too many damn christians think like this: breeding more brainwashed idiots to populate this sad little planet without ever considering that their values may just be plain fucking wrong. HAH! "Whitey" is right on, WWW is a typical Warner product. "Rodzilla"s comments are interesting and probably correct. "yojimbo" is wrong about Smith being a one trick pony - he is a talented actor, but unfortunately he's whored himself out to his massive ego, it seems, and won't make the likes of "Six Degrees" again until his career starts to Stallone, and probably not even then. I'm not touching "ReelAngry"s racist thing. Only a fool asserts that kind of shit. Unfortunately "The Monitor" is the fool-who-follows-it by not being able to tell the difference between the portrayal of racism and the promotion of it. HAH! I'd like to see more of "Clomey Josaraph"s style of talkback, if only in better metre. "GodBear" points out why Monitor is a moron, kudos to you. "HCaulfield" = Jerk, he sounds like SSZero. "Devils Halo" makes a clever analogy between WWW + Sphere. I like his reference to Loveless=more over the top than Soran. Nice take. Worth reading this guy's post twice. And to the rest of you: HAH!!

  • June 29, 1999, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Wild Wild West

    by MrSarcasm

    Is it just me or is Will Smith like the thespian version of Def Leppard? It's like Def Leppard put out the same music with the same album covers, same sound, same song subjects... it's all pablum and it's like they're scared to change anything about themselves. Will Smith plays the same cutesy roles, same style of movies, always come out on Summer long weekends, all have similar names ID4, MIB, WWW... it gets so tiring. And how about his having to rap on the soundtracks? It's like the movie is done to promote products like sunglasses and soundtracks and his own personal 'rap' career and the soundtrack is done to promote the movie and the glasses are in stores to promote the movie. It's hard to tell where the plugging and shameless promotion ends and the actual 'PRODUCT' begins. Does anyone remember 6 Degrees of Seperation? Back when Will SMith used to act?

  • June 29, 1999, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Smith's film career is a fluke!!!

    by Choda

    Look at his last few movies that have made him a "star". All big CGI summer movies which would have made just as much money with or without him because everyone wants to see the new special effects. I am shocked that the execs in Hollywood can't see that and yet pay him $20 mil a movie for his "star power". You could cast Mark Hamill as Jim West and it would make just as much money as casting Will Smith.

  • June 29, 1999, 7:16 p.m. CST

    the willster

    by JEZEBEL

    First of all, have I logged onto an accounting or marketing website? It sickens me that you people are wasting your time trying to figure out how much the movie costs and how much it will make and how it will do internationally and bla bla bla. DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. Make the decision to go or not go (hopefully most people will choose the latter). Why should no one go? Because Will Smith embodies everything that is awry about movies today, and we should say ENOUGH! Harry, you couldn't give a good review about having shit come out of your ass because all your reviews are in reference to other movies, and no one has made a movie about taking a shit yet. Oh, wait a minute...you just reviewed it! Does that mean you think about James Bond when your in the can?

  • June 29, 1999, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Hudson Hawk

    by Jadeh

    My freinds and I all like Hudson Hawk, but we took a vote and decided to all represent ourselves as only 1 fan, so as not to throw off the 17 fan balance. But as for WWW? I mean seriously, as soon as I heard they had toned-down and removed many of the gunfights and completely rewritten Artemus Gordon after the Littleton, CO shootings, my hopes for this film sank. It's a peice of Fantasy Western escapism, to rewrite, reshoot, and re-edit Artemus to make him anti-guns is ludicrous. The movie was simply 'ok'. My only hope is that someday the 'original' will be released on Tape or DVD so I can really see what this movie was supposed to have looked like.

  • June 29, 1999, 8:23 p.m. CST

    Brannagh is SOOO talented, he could make "A Night At The Roxbury

    by quentin2

    I haven't posted here at Talk Back in a long fuckin while (working on my own site), but I did indeed get to see The Wild Wild West, and I felt I should say something. Harry, I think that half of your brain is pure shit and the other half is pure genius. I find myself agreeing with ya 50% of the time ALL THE TIME! For example, you didn't give into all this bullshit hate of "The Phantom Menace", like many other so-called "critics" did. I liked TPM too (as a matter of fact, it was my favorite SW film). But when you confess RIDICULOUS things like "Toy Story is one of my top 5 favorite films of the 90's", that's the shit in your skull talkin. Yeah, Toy Story was good. it WASN'T GREAT!! I mean, I thought it was alot better than "A Bug's Life" (Kevin Spacey is the only reason I didn't hate that piece of crap), but THAT BULLSHIT COMMENT OF YOURS IS JUST THAT: BULLSHIT. But, forgive me, I digress. YOUR REVIEW OF "THE WILD WILD WEST" IS 100% DEAD-ON ACCURATE. I was really looking forward to this film (Sonnenfield is a good director, Salma Hayek is a fucking sex-kitten, and Brannagh is a great fuckin actor), but I was kinda let down. Will Smith was actually GOOD in this movie!!!! I've always thought that Will Smith had talent. He sure as HELL proved that in "Six Degrees of Seperation"! And he had such talent in "Fresh Prince"... if he would only do LESS COMERCIAL material!!! Ah well. Money drives some people.... But he was good in this movie. I fuckin HURLED my popcorn when he punched that alien in ID4 and said "Welcome to Earth"!!!!! Roland Emmerich and Dean Devlin(sp?) SHOULD BE FUCKIN BURNED AT THE STAKE!!!!!!!! anyway. KENNETH BRANNAGH IS ONE HELL OF AN ACTOR. His version of "Hamlet" is the best film version to DATE! He definitlet made this film better. This is a role only he could play. But Salma, as SEXY as she is, was nuthin but a dumb bitch in this movie!!!!! But, I wouldn't expect much from that hole in the mattress anyway... (sigh) And Kevin Kline?????? He's a good actor!! WHAT THE FUCK IS HE DOING ACCEPTING THIS AWFUL DIALOGUE??? Expect to hate Kline in this film. Well, is it worth seeing? Yep. See it. But, trust me, this ain't one you'll want to even think about seeing on the video. Just see it once on the big screen and then forget about it! Personally, I cannot fuckin wait until TPM comes out on DVD (and the rest of the SW saga, for that matter!)

  • June 29, 1999, 8:26 p.m. CST

    It's a terrible, overblown specatcle film...

    by matrix69

    why did it take Harry such a long review to say that? It's called TRIMMING THE FAT.

  • June 29, 1999, 8:36 p.m. CST

    OH GOD, Talk Back is now a slum full of degenerate, know-nothing

    by quentin2

    I just scrolled up and looked at the names of the Talk Backers above me...just to see if anyone from the ol' gang posted. GODDAMN!! WHERE THE FUCK DID YOU GUYS GO??????? I don't know a single fuckin name up there!!! The only guy left from the Old Gang is JIM RYALTO!!! PS: Sorry Jimbo, but Hudson Hawk was a piece of trash. But DAMN!!!! SERIOUSLY, I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE IN ABOUT FICE MONTHS, BUT HAS EVERYBODY BEEN BANNED OR SOMETHING????? I left right after Lane commited Talk Back suicide, but I didn't expect the place to get like this! Man, maybe that loser lane really did hold this place together! The Old Talk Back was a thousand times better than this shitty dump! We KNEW about movies!! Everyone here had SOME movie credetnials (I'm a film student who used to do a weekly move review show on college radio), but now every dumb fuck who comes to this site can pollute Talk back with their worthless opinions... (God, I'm starting to sound like Lane!)... well, I guess as AICN becomes more popular, Talk Back becomes less...exclusive. Oh well. JIM!! What the fuck are ya doing here?? You're the last true Talk Backer, bro!

  • June 29, 1999, 8:40 p.m. CST

    PS:

    by quentin2

    Oscar and Office Space were indeed good films, Jimbo.

  • June 29, 1999, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Wild Wild West, uh uh, uh uh!

    by Funmazer

    So what? Tomorrow I shall drive to the theatre, listening to that song, and go with an open mind! Why? Well, why not? I liked MIB a lot. It had a subtle humor I enjoyed. There seems to be some lame Titanic-esque backlash against it, well, I say, bah! Barry knows how to make a film. And I would THINK he'd have more clout on WWW than Jon 'I made a good movie last decade' Peters. But who knows? The sets and props of this film make it worth it to me. Hm... if they DID re-shoot because of that school thing, that's sad. Really, Hollywood DOES need to grow a pair. Personally I think movies need to be MORE violent. That's what I liked about Mummy (one of the few things), people actually got shot and died! Instead of the endless 'jump outta the way of THAT special effect, now leap away from THIS one!' As for Harry's OBVIOUSLY (as I predicted) negative review, I could care less. After he recommeded EP1 AND Austin 2, he lost it in my book. PLEASE! If you're gonna trash a film, go into DETAIL! Don't worry about spoiling things! SHOCK! People COME her for SPOILERS! So, give us the dirt! Oh, and EVERYONE PREPARE FOR THE ULTRA-GLOWING EYES WIDE SHUT REVIEW IN 3 WEEKS! "I predict it now!"

  • June 29, 1999, 11:13 p.m. CST

    I'm going to see it anyway...

    by WizardX

    ...Despite all the bad word 'o mouth. Three or four reasons: 1)So far, I have yet to see a Sonnenfeld movie I didn't like. (forgive the spelling, it's post-midnight) Addams Family, Get Shorty, MiB, all wonderfully quirky films. 2)Kenneth Branaugh. I could be riveted watching the guy do an Ivory Soap commercial. Can't wait for his next Shakespeare. 3)Fanciful Victorian machinery. I also love what-if games with old-time technology. (like the Train at the end of Back to the Future III) Even if everyone else in the theatre was groaning when they saw the Spider in the trailer, I loved it. And basically, because it just seems SO wacked-out and goofy I expect to be able to forgive it a lack of plot. MiB's plot could be compressed to about 10 minutes, but that's another case of "The ride, not the destination."

  • June 29, 1999, 11:51 p.m. CST

    Dear quentin2

    by Alessan

    You can't win this fight. The Old Guard never gets much sympathy from the Young Turks, even though many of them may indeed be assholes. Also, I object to your prejudice against non-film-students. This site is for film lovers, not film makers. And love, I might add, requires little training.

  • June 30, 1999, 12:07 a.m. CST

    Wild Worst Movie

    by rollins

    It doesn't take Nostradamus to figure out that Wild Wild West is this year's Waterworld. From the minute I saw the preview some 4 months ago I turned to my friends and said, this movie is going to suck huge. Well, the critics and fans alike have spoken. The film is a piece of shit. Will it open big? You bet. Will it last. NOPE. Enjoy the 75 million box office Barry and Will...don't think it will recoup your 175 + budget. Oh well, back to the drawing board.

  • June 30, 1999, 12:33 a.m. CST

    To Jim Ryalto

    by Goodgulf

    Did I spell that right. My apologies if I messed it up. I'm one of the "new" folks here. I only recently learned of this site because of all the buzz about the Lord of the Rings. So I had no idea that the ranting and raving in Talk Back was new. I figured it had always been that way. You say it's like "screaming in a hurricane", but pissing in the wind is more akin to the tone of many of these posts. If I understand what Harry explained in his "philosophy" of writing a review, it's a wholistic view. References to other films, actors, and who knows what come flowing out of Harry's brain in a stream of consciousness kind of writing. To many, it poor writing. To some it's damn irritating (Come on Harry, just SAY IT...Get to the point!) I like Harry's style most of the time, but if he rambles too long I get to the end of a review not quite remembering what it was he was reviewing. So, the reviews should be a bit more concise, with clear comparisons. But please, don't become too mainstream. There are enough of them around already. I only mention this topic because some one posted a note wondering what all the references to Bond were for. I see The Wild Wild West as a sort of Bond-type film, despite person who said it was an Jules Verne type adventure with spies and gadgets. A bit of both perhaps. But if it quacks like a duck...and has gadgets, spies and a super-cool super agent working for a secret government office fighting a meglomaniac with delusions of world conquest (ala SPECTRE), then I might just suspect that the script writers were influenced just a tiny bit by all those James Bond movies, rather than to Jules Verne or H.G. Wells. At any rate, I hope you "old timers" will stick it out. Maybe the flamers and adolescent types will thin out in time. I encourage you to stay and post because I have watched other boards slowly shift as friends left and a "different" crowd began taking over, and where all of a sudden "I" was the new guy in their eyes (hey, who does this new guy think he is? kind of attitude). But I also know what it's like to see that special place disrupted by (I assume kids) that I would like to throttle.

  • June 30, 1999, 1:01 a.m. CST

    Kevin Kline RULES!!!!!!!!!

    by Droz

    If what everyone says is true about WWW and Kevin Kline, it's truely unfortunate. I think Kevin Kline is one of our time's most gifted actors. Maybe WWW just isn't for him. By the way, what is with Will Smith working opposite great actors that he can't hold a candle to? Kevin Kline, Kenneth Branaugh, tommy Lee Jones, Gene Hackman???

  • June 30, 1999, 5:50 a.m. CST

    WWW

    by Jay Jay

    Well, at least the music video doesn't suck!!!

  • June 30, 1999, 6:47 a.m. CST

    BITCH BITCH BITCH

    by MAGNUM1976

    I love how everyone has their own opinion and thats it? I certainbly have mine and have expressed mine, but I have lso followed it with I respect other opinions as well. But seriously, what a bunch of whining botches in here. Quentin2, the "film" student and host of his own movie reviews in college, whines about new people posting. Deal with it. By the way i took a few film classes in school too, does that make me a film student? I could have majored in that, but I wanted a job when I graduated. And host of your own movie review show. Guess what, at U Penn, the guy who did movie reviews everyweek used to do them drunk, hell a monkey could do this, its a fucking college show AKA no one sober watches it. And talk about a bunch of losers. Racism shouldnt even be talked about huh? OK well when they make a slavery movie starring all white people, then we'll see if racism doesnt get mentioned OK. And as for the dumb fuck who bashed me for addressing Smiths private life, all I was pointing out is maybe he's not as sweet and nice as all you guys make him out to be. Plain and simple, I guess I am an asshoel, because after all I expressed an opinion of my own. What the fuck is with you people, can anyone express an opinion without being an asshole. By the way , this movie looks like shit. You know its gonna be bad when the South Park movie gets 3 1/2 stars and WWW gets 1/2 a star. Later

  • June 30, 1999, 8:12 a.m. CST

    Quentin

    by quiscustodiet

    But Lane is here, he's given himself the name LeiahumpinEwok, which is almost as original as his old nom de geek lukeandleia69. And if that's not Lane the guys just as much of a idiot!

  • June 30, 1999, 12:26 p.m. CST

    THE MONITOR ANSWERS HIS CRITICS:MAGNUM1976,MONTAG606,GODBEAR,MR.

    by The Monitor

    NO,NUMBSKULLS,I made no comment about abolishing all references to race or the tensions that exist...that's actual life and should be reflected in film.I brought up those films for ReelAngry's benefit to show that minorities are easily stereotyped and defamed in Hollywood movies,that are primarily made by WHITE MALES.Now how can I be "racist" and "too PC" at the same fuckin' time?!Please answer that question for me.Also,did I say I disliked "Back To The Future","Animal House","AHX"(nice acronym,Magnum,for a true dumb ass),or "Taxi Driver" in any way,shape,or form?!Yes,a film like "AHX" can have a positive messagebut if can still reenforce negative racil ideas that ignorant people will cling to.Most of the movies I named are classics in my eyes,especially "Taxi Driver",numbnuts.As for the "Back To The Future" argument;I stand ONLY SLIGHTLY corrected...so what's the great difference between "coon" and "spook"(oh please,tell me since I'm a fool like GODBEAR seems to believe).To Magnum1976:no, it doesn't mean a film's good just because it makes a BUTTLOAD of money,my point was that it probably will even though most of the talkbackers say this will be the end of Smith's career(YEAHHH,RIGHT,tell that to Kevin Costner).Smith is damn sure not one of my favorite actors,but judge the films,not the man,MAN.You,"dumb fuck",go out of your way to portray him as a "villain"(and me as a moronic racist...huh?!what?!),but recognize this;if you're a millionaire and you get a divorce from your wife,believe me,buddy,you're going to court,no matter how amicable the breakout is or isn't.So there's no such thing as White neo-nazi skinheads or date rapists(FYI:not all White males in the film are bad)as shown in "Higher Learning"?Who's really the "friggin'" idiot"?Or the racist?But you're right about one thing,Magnum:I wouldn't mind living with Smith,he's fuckin' rich and his wife is sexy as hell!!!And lastly to the cunt repellant who thinks the talkback is full of wannabe critic scum...know what they call a film student dickhead with no credentials?A DICKHEAD!!! MAKE A MOVIE AND MAYBE YOUR OPINION WILL REALLY MEAN SOMETHING...

  • June 30, 1999, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Kevin Kline...

    by Astal

    That's a real shame that Kline sucks in this. He's an extremely gifted comedic actor and I was counting on him to add something substantial to WWW. But I don't think it's his fault. I read that Will Smith took all of Kline's great lines because he couldn't handle anyone else getting the laughes. I take it with a grain of salt but I wouldn't be at all surprised. Everything that Sonnenfeld has said about this project is along the lines of (paraphrased)"Me and Will, the ultimate movie-making team, are back for another kick-ass ride!" Give me a break. MIB was an entertaining diversion but far from memorable. Imagine what Tim Burton could have done with that picture. Now that would have been something...

  • June 30, 1999, 1:01 p.m. CST

    THERE YOU GO AGAIN MAGNUM1976...

    by The Monitor

    Even though I disagree with almost every thing you say(causing me to rant and rave insanely)I have to admit:yes,Magnum1976,you can express your opinion,that is why we're here.But how can you equate the international slave trade with "The Wild,Wild West"?Hmmm...let's see,one is a historical FACT,while the other is PURE FANTASY.Unless you really believe ther were giant mechanical spiders in the Old West?

  • June 30, 1999, 1:07 p.m. CST

    THERE YOU GO AGAIN MAGNUM1976...

    by The Monitor

    Even though I disagree with almost every thing you say(causing me to rant and rave insanely)I have to admit:yes,Magnum1976,you can express your opinion,that is why we're here.But how can you equate the international slave trade with "The Wild,Wild West"?Hmmm...let's see,one is a historical FACT,while the other is PURE FANTASY.Unless you really believe there were giant mechanical spiders in the Old West?

  • June 30, 1999, 1:33 p.m. CST

    getting testy in here kids.

    by GodBear

    Hey, hey, find your happy place there buddy. I never said you were a fool. All I said was that I disagree with your statement concerning the racial portrayals in those movies. And I'm not sure you addressed it in your second posting, except maybe by saying that ignorant people read these things the wrong way and use it to reinforce the negative stereotypes. But what are you gonna do, moron-proof the whole movie business? And excuse me for correcting the line from the movie. Sheesh, you're the one that referenced it, you'd think you'd know it. You take it like I rubbed your face in garbage. Dude. abide.

  • June 30, 1999, 2:39 p.m. CST

    TAKING THE WRONG WAY,GODBEAR...

    by The Monitor

    No,Godbear I didn't say I had a problem with you correcting the "Back To The Future" reference,but the main point I was establishing was that the scene showed Blacks in a somewhat shakey manner,whether or not they were called "coon" or "spook".And just because it seems like I'm irate in my writings doesn't mean I'm want to kill any of you talkbackers.Maybe I'm wrong but I swear you called me a "fool".

  • June 30, 1999, 8:53 p.m. CST

    WWW EH

    by pred

    I went into the movie having read all of the negative reviews , and I felt much the same as with Armaggeddon last year. I liked Armaggeddon and hoped that WWW would live up to at least that. It does not. There are some good things about the film. Kenneth Brannaugh is entertaining as Loveless, and his banter with Will injects the film with some nice energy. Also, the set designs and costumes are great. They create that wonderful fantasy feel which many movies lack. However, the CGI tarantula was very inspiring(note: study the genius work by ILM for Phantom Menace to learn). Also, Salma Hayek was badly underused in the movie. Finally, the film just left me feeling mildly amused by the end, but not excited or joyous. This is the most disappointing movie so far this summer, and this so far has been the best summer, since 1996. Perhaps the best part of the evening was the Deep Blue Sea preview which really got me excited to see this film. Harry let's hear some news on this film please.

  • June 30, 1999, 10:10 p.m. CST

    Barry Sonnenfield and Will Smith's next movie

    by PipsOrcle

    By the way, I read in this week's Newsweek that Will Smith will be playing Muhammed Ali in a biopic, which is to be directed by SONNENFIELD. Does any of this surprise you all or not?

  • July 1, 1999, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Hey Quentin2

    by SS_RAT

    So we're all crap because you go to film school and we're not worthy huh?? Wake up and smell the flowers, dude - I make more money in a year than you probably ever will in 5, maybe ten years. Does that make me better than you - no!! If you want to discuss films then this is the place to do it. Like it or not, we are your peers, dude. The only reason you cite our lack of *film* education is because you're scared. Scared shitless that someone who hasn't had to spend 3,4 or 5 years being taught about movies might actually say something you hadn't thought of. Well, you know what, that's called 'life' you twat! Maybe you should spend some time getting one before coming back here with your holier-than-thou attitude. Dotn forget, that once you get your 'education' and actually begin making films - all us lowlifes here are the ones that are gonna be feeding your fat mouth via our theatre tickets. And, by the way, if I took your attitude, you wouldn't even be fit to switch on that computer you're using; let alone actually be allowed to *bless* us with your film-school educated crap. Its you we-know-what-we-are-talking-about types that thought up Divx and mades such cinematic gems as (and I'm being careful here..) B & R and Ishtar (Surely, no-one can confess to liking that one??)

  • July 1, 1999, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Harry on the Money

    by tucson

    Thanks for being able to put into words all the odd feelings I had for WWW; it wasn't as dreadful as everyone was making it out to be, but I'm very glad I got free tickets for it. I was reminded of Sonnenfield's attempt with the Addams Family--little or no plot to get in the way of amusing vignettes. If there were a sequal to WWW (considering its expansive budget, I doubt that'll happen), I wonder if it wouldn't be better than the original, just as Addams Family Values was.

  • July 1, 1999, 11:40 p.m. CST

    Thanks, Peter Franks (ryhme NOT intended)

    by BigLebowski

    Thank you for defending "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" which is up there in the top 5 best Bond films. Although nobodyelse but me thinks that "Moonracker" was entertaining! I loved it...i love all Bond films except for those select late 70's schlock Bond flicks, and Tim Dalton is nothing to cheer about either! Whats with his "oh-so-80's" pufy hair? It annoys me! Pierce B. is one of the best, up there with Shaun. Anyone agree/disagree?

  • July 2, 1999, 8:17 a.m. CST

    No respect for source material sucks.

    by Cigar Guy

    The problem with too many films is that they show absolute contempt for the original source material. Three examples: The first Star Track movie was JUNK. The second one rocked -- as those involved must have gone back and TAKEN A LOOK at the original TV series (which worked). Then came the AWFUL movie version of Mission Impossible. Crap. Casts aside everything fun from the original movie (teeny spoiler) including the need to make a villian of one of the TV good guys. Then we have Wild, Wild, West. The TV show is WONDERFUL. It is still fresh, funny, and exciting to watch. It seems that every great character actor in Hollywood got to play a villian or guest hero at some point. Robert Conrad and Ross Martin were simply perfectly cast -- and they were given good scripts to have fun in. I get so sick of having today's movie makers rip off all the good memories of something I cherished to completely redo it. If you are not going to be faithful to the source material that made the original spcial -- then just go do your own original movie. The trouble is that the name ID and good memories of the original are seen as bankable. This reminds me of those lame "tribute" albums, where a buncha no-talent wannabees sing Led Zeppalin songs badly. So, either RESPECT the original source material -- or create your wholly own piece of crap. Just don't smear your crap on the original by ripping off it's good name.

  • July 2, 1999, 1:04 p.m. CST

    BigLebowski

    by Orbital

    I agree with you that Pierce ranks up there with Sean. I too like to watch moonraker even though it is probably the most inprobable bond film ever (most of them are anyway, but who cares!)Roger Moore's Bond seemed to get more and more silly and Timothy D. grounded it with very serious type of Bond and then Pierce kicked it back into the shape it was in with Sean's golden age. (Does this make sense?) So I think Timothy D. did contribute to the franchise. Pierce was originaly slated to play Bond before Timothy D. but he was commited to a show or something.

  • July 2, 1999, 3:37 p.m. CST

    "The Monitor" and American History X...

    by BobBarker

    The Monitor? Monitor yourself, fuckwad, before you insult a movie that way. Call someone a racist and acuse this QUITE non-racist, hell, ANTI-racist movie of...agh. You didn't even watch it, did you? Or at least not the whole thing. How, if you did view the entire film, could you possibly call it racist? Stupid, paranoid dipshits like you bug the hell out of me. You're so afraid of stepping on toes that you'd lack the sense or courage to make a daring, outstanding piece of art like American History X. Filmmaking (not to mention Norton's incredible acting) at it's best. And don't you forget it.

  • July 3, 1999, 4:38 a.m. CST

    wild wild west review

    by Mariavah

    Nice review. Haven't seen it yet, but plan to. Your review at least examined all of the elements of the movie.

  • July 3, 1999, 10:16 a.m. CST

    Wild West TURD

    by Sgt_Hulka

    After ordering and paying for my new light chassis, Wil and I went to the movies to see South Park, but Damn It! It was sold out. We went to the 10:30pm showing, damn high school kids, anyway, we had driven all the way up there, and it's hard enough for both of us to get out at the same time so we were determined to see a movie. Unfortunately we picked the biggest turd of the summer, Wild Wild West. This movie is worthless and weak. DO NOT pay to see this movie, it's pure crap. You have been warned. If you are a fan of Wil Smith or one of the others, you should wait for tape and save your cash. This film is Trash. Hey, I'm rhyming here, now where's my beer. STOP IT! Quit doing that!!! http://www.hulka.com

  • July 3, 1999, 6:13 p.m. CST

    IRON GIANT fan club!

    by ricolie00

    Hey guys! I am an animation student at CalArts and VERY excited to see IRON GIANT. I have a fan club that I started and would like to have members. I want to chat with other animation lovers so feel free to drop in! see ya there! http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/irongiant thanks guys!

  • July 3, 1999, 7:02 p.m. CST

    WWW SUX

    by khana

    I should've known something was wrong when Elmer Bernstein opted not to use Richard Markowitz's TV theme over the opening credits. Worse yet, no credit was given to Michael Garrison, the series creator. I guess when Barry said he wanted to make it his film, he really meant it. The film's pacing was ok, but the characters were flat and there was no chemistry. EFX were great, but the gadgets couldn't hold a candle to the original. Geez. What's up with the score? Bernstein = Magnicificent 7. WWW = ??? I guess it's hard to write when the film is flat. Like TPM, I guess you can have a decent story structure, but when the audience doesn't care about the characters look out! If cast right, WWW could have been a contender.

  • July 3, 1999, 7:50 p.m. CST

    THE LORD OF THE RINGS SHOULD BE FILMED SO THAT IT CAN BE WATCHED

    by inagoddadevita

    I return to these pages for some supercilious and happy-go-lucky reasons to remind you all how joyful it is to be read by your eyes.THE WILD WILD WEST movie is the most visually arresting film I have seen since the digitized Star Wars, and as such will have to tide me over until movie this way comes, preferably the digital YELLOW SUBMARINE or the inevitable LOTR trilogy. IF YOU'RE WONDERING LIKE ALICE, I HAVE SEEN ALL TOP 5 FILMS AND CAN ONLY RECOMMEND TO YOU TARZAN AND STAR WARS. My thoughts on WILD WILD WEST are virtually identical to Harry's, especially in revering Kenneth Branagh as one of this world's greatest living treasures. I cannot say the same for Will Smith, however, who fails on screen at least twice, both times while doing comedy, oddly enough, and the best example of this would be the scene "That is a man's head". I was glad to see Harry was not swayed by his acting stint with Selma Hyack in THE FACULTY and gave her a decent review. It is not misleading you at all to say that it has taken me this long to reply to all the pleasant emails that accompanied my posting many moons ago about the meaning behind my moniker. Those who were correct have been rewarded with the knowledge of exactly what Kubrick was doing when he died; those who were a little extraneous in their desires have been sent tickets to screenings of Touchstone's THREE MUSKETEERS (THE SPECIAL EDITION).So, until the Coen Brothers find a way to release THE NAKED MAN or they decide to computer generate poor DeForest with the rest of the cast for an imax feature I will remain the faithful servant of the sith --- er, I mean of Jim Carrey as Elrond --- er, I meant Keifer as Legolas ---- no, no, no (TREKKIES was the funniest film of the year)---the Simpson's Michael Mann--thank you...and Good Night!

  • July 3, 1999, 11:14 p.m. CST

    Amazing

    by taoshaman

    Perhaps someday Harry will learn to use a spell check before posting his reviews. Very pro. heheheheheheheheh

  • July 3, 1999, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Rating: Better than Batman and Robin...

    by Dlhstar

    Well, I work in a movie theatre, so I hope I can comment on this movie. It was OK. Maybe because I missed about a total of 7 minutes of film to get up for refills and such. Part of the problem of this movie was that it felt so removed from the original WWW series as to be a whole new creature. It seems that I've seen this formula at work before in hollywood: Younger/Older guy are teamed up against their wishes, they bicker and get in each others way until a situation arrives forcing the pair into trusting each other, they win the day and end the film on a still rude, yet respectful, comment on the other one. They could have renamed this movie anything else and saved a fortune in licensing alone. Sad but true, the Jonah Hex episode of the B:TAS told basically the same story, but 4 times as well in only a 1/4th the time. The damnest thing is that there was not a single thing in the film that I was REALLY impressed with. The spider should have had me going, "COOL!", but I was a little underwelmed by it despite it's detail. Hell, I'm tired, so I might not be quite clear on my thoughts.

  • July 4, 1999, 7:44 a.m. CST

    Wild, Wild, What the hell are you all complaining about

    by BWare

    Saw the movie Fri night. It starts off pretty clumsily and I was fully prepared to hate it a la Avengers. But you know what? The film really came around for me. It was fun. It was entertaining. Sure some of it fell flat, but same with Austin Powers and everyone's creaming all over that one. Will was cool and Kevin Kline was great. I don't understand where all of the critcism is coming from. He and Will were like oil and water and that was how they were supposed to be. Salma was hot and her bare ass cheeks were greatly appreciated but she didn't have anything to do besides look beautiful. But she does that damn well. I also liked Loveless and it's good to see a movie with a villian. But The Matrix guy is still villian of the year thus far. All in all WWW, a fun overblown Hollywood movie.

  • July 4, 1999, 11:24 a.m. CST

    I liked The Avengers better

    by darius25

    Listen guys, this movie was not at all what I was expecting. From the commercial it looked like a comedy like Men in Black with a Western theme thrown in. This movie is way too slow and not enough comedy/action. Kenneth Branagh was boring and Kevin Kline was just plain dumb. The only good part of the movie was when Branagh took out his mechanical legs.

  • July 4, 1999, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Don't waste the money...

    by Sarcasmo

    Hey there, long time reader first time writer (oh, and yes, I am a film student so I guess I should know what I'm talking about, but everyone is intitled to their opinion. I thought that's what this whole "talkback" thing was for Quentin2! Make your own "exclusive" webpage if you don't like it!) Anyway, I work at a drive-in and I've noticed people actually moving away from the screen that was showing WWW to the other screen (to watch "she's all that") This can't be a good sign. One mother told me the movie wasn't fit for children and that's why they moved over. Let me tell you something, we get all kinds of people at the drive-in but it seems this movie is disliked (the best I hear is it was "okay") across the board. Bad sign #1. Last night I got to see it for free at the local indoor movie place. Bad sign #2 is that even with free grub, friends around, and a theatre to ourselves late on a Saturday night, this movie was only barely entertaining. I liked MIB, I really did. I liked The Addams Family and I like both Kevin Klein and Will Smith but this movie was just too incomplete to be what they want. Instead of giving their characters dimension, they make them angry racists. That's interesting up to a point. The mix of "gosh darn giant spiders!" fun, Hayek's boobs, and racism got tiring. I'm not saying I don't think racism shouldn't have been part of this movie (in historical fact one fifth of all cowboys in the real West were freed slaves - I think that's really interesting) but why try to mix that serious topic with such tripe?! I mean, didn't Will's big speech about his killed family at New Liberty really just sound lame and contrived? Smith was angry, okay, and he at least had a reason for what he did (unlike Arty who just made gagets, or any of the other characters) but I really got tired of all the banter between him and Loveless. It was like they were trying to win the most offensive summer movie award. (South Park must have that sewn up).. I get the value of some of the jokes, they were funny AT FIRST, but it's kind of sad when your big budget movie relies on countless "you're a freaky amputee"/ "yeah well you're an ignorant coon" jokes for laughs. Come on! That has a place, but I thought the witty banter was supposed to be between the "partners" against crime. Oh, that's right, they had no chemistry. I ramble. In short (if you've even read this far) the special effects just don't make this worthy of spending nine bucks on. There is not one interesting character here and I think it's a bad sign that after I finish this talkback I'll probably never think of this movie again. Wait for the video and go see Summer of Sam instead.

  • July 4, 1999, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Magnum

    by Goodgulf

    Recently Shelby Foote was on CSPAN discussing the Civil War. He mentioned that Blacks, unlike Jews, do not seem to want to be reminded of their past as slaves. The Jews celebrate the fact that they were slaves, but have come out of bondage. There doesn't seem to be the same emotion with Blacks and their period of slavery. I thought about what he said, at first agreeing with him. But I think that many Blacks feel that they haven't completely come out of bondage yet, thus there is little to celebrate. Of course many Jews could make the same argument, since there are still bastions of hatred against them, so why there is this divergence between two people is not easily analysed. I only mention this since you had brought up the topic.

  • July 5, 1999, 2:25 a.m. CST

    Salma The Goddess

    by leigh

    All this tripe about racism and James Bond films is clouding my head from the real issue: I would see absoloutely fucking anything with Salma Hayek in it. She is the Goddess of the universe and wipes the floor with Ms Lopez and Ms Zeta-jones any day of the week. Can't wait for WWW to come out on video so I can really get down to business.

  • July 5, 1999, 6:29 a.m. CST

    Father Knows Best

    by Epicetus

    Don't get me wrong. I like Will Smith and all, but he was definitely miscast for this role. In fact, I agree wholeheartedly with Harry's dad. Smith was too buffoonish for the part of Jim West. West was cool, calm, reserved and intimidating. In all the shows I've seen, he rarely spoke above a whisper and his pugilist skills were flawless. Artemus Gordon, of course, was the obligatory comedy relief -- not Jim! I guess this happens when people confuse race for characterization. Still, I don't blame Smith. He'll go on to bigger and better things.

  • July 5, 1999, 5:17 p.m. CST

    WILD WEST and SALMA's BUTT...GREAT STUFF!

    by ILMer

    just caught WWW and was duly impressed! i don't care about all this stupid "bad buzz" that's been clouding all of your minds out there . this is a FUNNY, very odd at times lovefest of Will's cool, Kevin's talents and Salma's incredible body. this is one filmwith enough sexual innuendo and perversion to make a man faint. the story (a slight one, i must admit) was fast moving and paused only enough for the two main stars to do their stand up or show us Salma's faked concerns for her uhhh husband...talk about kinky there! i loved the jokes and the visual design from the word GO was brilliant. we're talking about a rich and layered look worthy of the best of mr. Lucas and friends. ILM does it again with STUPENDOUS effects. the tarantula was menacing and goofy at the same time. so what if it costs $180 million or whatever(why does the director keep denying this fact?), it is worth the price of admission and if Salma's delicious butt cheeks don't stir you ...well i can't say it... WWW is fun and a GOOD film. FAR better than the MUMMY, i might add.

  • July 5, 1999, 8:43 p.m. CST

    movies

    by alcester

    the last great sci/fi movie was "2001", why and the hell cant some director make another sci/fi movie for adults who can think? instead of crap that has to have merchandising tie-ins! HEAR ME LUCAS?!!

  • July 6, 1999, 7:24 a.m. CST

    FROM THE MONITOR:DISTURBED,GET YOUR HEAD OUTTA YOUR ANUS!!!

    by The Monitor

    You picked your name very well,cunt repellant...if you had read ALL my posts instead of ONE you would have seen that I said I thought "AHX"(among other films)was EXCELLENT and disrespected no talent in the film.Yes,as I have said before "AHX" does contain racist viewpoints and I STAND by that statement,but that's the POV of Norton's character.Go back and make sure your facts are straight before you attack someone,dimwit.

  • July 6, 1999, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Take my money PLEASE

    by Ghost Writer

    All I needed to hear was that Salma Hayek's Bare Ass was in it and I'm cashing out my 401K. From Dusk Til Dawn wasn't the greatest movie, but until Salma did her dance. A bizarre Vampire movie, with tons of violence and Salma dancing half naked. What more could anyone ask? "Too see her Bare Ass", I said. Now I've got to go see the greatest part in a movie since Catherine Zeta-Jones sliding through the trip wires in Entrapment.

  • July 7, 1999, 9:26 a.m. CST

    WILD WILD SUCK

    by -Buff-

    I went and saw WWW yesterday. I must say, you were much kinder than I would have been. I was expecting another MIB....not a great film....just something to keep me mildly entertained and maybe give me a laugh or two.I never watched the television show and I did not hear any reviews for the movie, good or bad. The idea of "western-sci-fi" is kinda intersting to me...there's some potential there....it's a nice twist, at least. MAN.....was I waaaaaaay disappointed. 1st of all....if you have seen the trailers (and who hasn't)there is no reason to see this movie because you have seen everything (this seems to be a disturbing trend with trailers in the 90's...but that is a soapbox for another day). Every gag, gadget, or anything else of interest has been shown in the trailer. No surprises here. 2ndly the action is boring. Now that is an accomplishment. I never cared about what was going on. I hit a point about half way through the movie where I was simply waiting for it to end. My friend wanted to sneak out and go see THE MATRIX, eventhough she and I have both seen it 3 times already. I should have taken her advice. By the end, I was wondering "how many more times can these guys get captured?!?!?!?" ZZZZZZZZ. We had to get into popcorn fights just to stay awake....and BOTH of us are damn near 30 years old. Maybe I missed something, but when JIM WEST is fighting the guy with the steel skull-cap.....WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED?!?!?!? One sec the bad guy is going stong....then next steam shoots from his ears and he is dead. Maybe I blacked out from boredom....but it seems that I missed something important there. Oh and BTW....I was kinda expecting to see a couple of cool cun fights....it is a western afterall. Non of that here. I wished that I could sue someone and get two hours of my life back.

  • July 11, 1999, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Don't Blame the Actors

    by UncleSam

    You can't blame Kline and Hayek for what happened to their characters in this film. After seeing it, I would say that they did what they could after being presented with a pretty sh**ty script. How many screenwriters did they bring in to fix this crap, and to what end? The movie was bad, from beginning to end, and a bad feeling started inside of me, caused solely by the shoddy opening credits. Kevin Kline is a good actor, and a pretty funny guy. Harry, give him some credit. In some of your reviews, you tend to do the film makers the favor of kissing their asses. This, I believe, is the case with your review of "Wild Wild West." This film is the fault of Sonnenfeld and his friends, not any of the actors unfortunate to have become involved.

  • July 13, 1999, 8:03 p.m. CST

    WWW

    by Chubb

    How can a movie with the words "Wicky wicky wild wild west" be bad......I just can't understand it..... Those words again: Wicky wicky wild wild west.

  • July 14, 1999, 1:08 p.m. CST

    hee hee

    by justanother

    sorry, everyone, i just wanted to say that chubb is funny. i enjoy reading this piss-rapt wind. it's great sociology. i'm just wondering why we bother ourselves thinknig about a movie that has...well, that's the whole point. like a negro would ever talk like that back then, anyway. the holocaust was a hoax. everything regarding film is complete intuition and i have more than you. my dog told me so. kiss my ass

  • July 15, 1999, 7:37 p.m. CST

    willard smith blows up like the godfather

    by Mefisto

    about time....i hate that motherfugger. If anyone actually paid to see this, they got what they deserved.

  • July 19, 1999, 11:12 a.m. CST

    wild wild waste

    by Docbot

    yes

  • Aug. 4, 1999, 1:29 p.m. CST

    WWW - Kenneth was the best

    by Warnung

    In Austria WWW had it's start on Friday, July 30th. The only reason I went to see this movie was Kenneth Branagh. And I wasn't disappointed, on the contrary. As long as Ken filled the screen, I enjoyed myself immensely. In this case I agree totally with Harry and Quentin 2. But the rest is silence!

  • Sept. 30, 1999, 2:25 a.m. CST

    God I hate it when people spell his name 'Branaugh'!

    by Giggle

    Yep, whoever it is that wrote from Austria, I totally agree. Ken is the best movie villain I've seen in a long time. What an actor! And - I know this may sound weird, but I mean it - HE'S SOOO HOT! Even under that awful facial hair he looks good enough to eat. What a man! He has certainly grabbed this li'l gal by her collar. I want more.

  • Aug. 13, 2004, 6:09 a.m. CST

    I just saw this movie the other day,

    by Conan_the_Humble

    And to quote Jay and Silent Bob, "it licks balls"... Cheers.

  • Aug. 8, 2006, 8:08 a.m. CST

    West Gone Wild --- call now to order!

    by Wolfpack

    And you wouldn&#39;t BELIEVE what these crazy geographical regions did when we handed them the camera!