Book revolves around a soldier who battles an enemy in deep space for only a few months, only to return home to a planet he doesn’t recognize some 20 years later ...Find all of Variety’s story on the matter here.
Oct. 12, 2008, 10:32 p.m. CST
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Oct. 12, 2008, 10:35 p.m. CST
Other film projects Ridley's got on his plate?
Oct. 12, 2008, 10:36 p.m. CST
by mr dark
I look forward to a great book filmed by a great director..As Irohelix said How can this fail? Lets just hope the suits don't find a way to screw this up..
Oct. 12, 2008, 10:40 p.m. CST
Oct. 12, 2008, 10:43 p.m. CST
should direct a remake of Running man that's closer to the novel than the schwarzenegger pic was. That booked kicked some serious ass.
Oct. 12, 2008, 10:50 p.m. CST
is there a role for him? Haven't read the book.
Oct. 12, 2008, 10:50 p.m. CST
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Apparently, that challenge is now in the hands of Todd Field (IN THE BEDROOM). Strangely enough, I'm somewhat relieved.
Oct. 12, 2008, 10:52 p.m. CST
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Oct. 12, 2008, 10:54 p.m. CST
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Oct. 12, 2008, 11:04 p.m. CST
William Mandella, the Taurans, Marygay, and an entire room of mad scientists.
Oct. 12, 2008, 11:06 p.m. CST
is hard at work on the script for The Forever War II.
Oct. 12, 2008, 11:06 p.m. CST
I give it two months.
Oct. 12, 2008, 11:09 p.m. CST
cover pic looks like James Franco and Benecio Del Toro had a kid and then it was adopted by borgs
Oct. 12, 2008, 11:15 p.m. CST
by Gun Man
Richard and Ridley have been trying to make a deal on this for YEARS. Back when Ridley was Directing GI Jane, he would show the crew members storyboards he'd had prepared for the FOREVER WAR. I was supposed to write the script at that time, and when negotiations fell through, I ended up writing the script of the Sci-Fi channel mini-series which in a pre-Battlestar environ was seen as too "space battle-ish" for the channel that had done TAKEN, and shelved. I know that I speak for Richard Edlund when I say that it is fantastic that a deal has finally been struck. It may well be the Ultimate Sci-fi film directed by the ultimate Sci-FI director.
Oct. 12, 2008, 11:15 p.m. CST
by The Funketeer
I'd love to see that. They did a crappy TV movie a few years ago but I'd love to see it get the treatment it deserves.
Oct. 12, 2008, 11:16 p.m. CST
by Amy Chasing
Who's going to tackle directing Canticle For Leibowitz?
Oct. 12, 2008, 11:24 p.m. CST
That is a very good observation. It really does look like Franco and Del Toro. Weird.
Oct. 12, 2008, 11:28 p.m. CST
Does that cover scream 'Benicio Del Toro' or is it just me suffering from 'Che' hangover?
Oct. 12, 2008, 11:30 p.m. CST
by Media Messiah
It's time for an Ender's Game, movie and a smart director like Ridley Scott or his brother Tony needs to direct it!!!!
Oct. 12, 2008, 11:38 p.m. CST
I love this book...epic...and a great ending. The Forever Peace is pretty sweet too.
Oct. 12, 2008, 11:38 p.m. CST
HOLY SHIT THAT WAS WEIRD!!! I saw the pic and immediately thought of Franco, then I was like, wait a second, looks a little like Benicio del Toro...I better make some joke about them assimilating each other in some Borg-orgy (Borgy?)...I go to write it in, and you beat me to exactly the same joke. that is seriously weird. <p>I guess all talkbackers DO think alike...
Oct. 12, 2008, 11:39 p.m. CST
anyone else goes near it and I will buy a sniper rifle and learn how to use it.
Oct. 12, 2008, 11:41 p.m. CST
by Amy Chasing
I also look forward one day to someone adapting Doktor Sleepless by Warren Ellis.
Oct. 12, 2008, 11:50 p.m. CST
by Nasty In The Pasty
Oct. 13, 2008, 12:07 a.m. CST
Scott is the wrong guy for this. He's all visuals ('Blade Runner' looked great, but was lifeless and missed the ENTIRE point of the book. Scott is NOT the guy to adapt a complex book. This will be a big disappointment.
Oct. 13, 2008, 12:29 a.m. CST
by Sappers Forward
This could be good. I'd also like to see a movie based Steakleys "Armor". Troopers, TFW, Armor, all have one thing in common that, since the release of IRON MAN, we know can be brought to the big screen.
Oct. 13, 2008, 12:34 a.m. CST
...or does the guy on that book cover look remarkably like james franco?
Oct. 13, 2008, 12:35 a.m. CST
I, Robot was a travesty and Blade Runner is a masterpiece. You, sir, are full of it!!!
Oct. 13, 2008, 12:38 a.m. CST
Man, I hope that's the first line in the movie. I've been tinkering with an adaptation for 13 years, seventeen drafts... I feel like I've already seen this as a movie. Huge cinematic potential. Going to be extremely interesting to see what they do about the Chronic, the monotonous trips to the collapsars, the unexpected seperation of main characters, which, cinematically, is fairly detrimental to the emotional throughline, and the somewhat hokey advent of Man, and how that affected the war's end -- to quote Mandella: "I wasn’t convinced, but I’d accept up was down if it meant the war was over." Can't wait to see what happens with this... though I'd always dreamed of a Cameron-helmed production.
Oct. 13, 2008, 12:42 a.m. CST
Just kidding, but looks like him.
Oct. 13, 2008, 12:43 a.m. CST
Oct. 13, 2008, 12:53 a.m. CST
they're going to change the story to make it more of a parallel for American troops coming home.
Oct. 13, 2008, 12:56 a.m. CST
for any of these projects. nottingham sounds like a complete wash. the concept is stupid, and no one really cares about crowe as a heroic lead any longer.<p> on the other hand, Scott doing something like this is awesome news.
Oct. 13, 2008, 12:56 a.m. CST
Oct. 13, 2008, 12:57 a.m. CST
FINALLY that 3rd sci-fi from Ridley. Imagine if it's as good as the first two...
Oct. 13, 2008, 1:21 a.m. CST
Benicio Del Toro...
Oct. 13, 2008, 2:01 a.m. CST
he's got to have 8 projects going at once, if only so he can get one going when he's free.
Oct. 13, 2008, 2:03 a.m. CST
Oct. 13, 2008, 2:07 a.m. CST
I thought it was a somewhat out of left field suggestion BUT apparently a couple other folks actually saw Del Toro! My mind...simply astounding.
Oct. 13, 2008, 2:10 a.m. CST
I thought the exact same thing. Major WTF moment.
Oct. 13, 2008, 2:14 a.m. CST
Time to finish Scott's SF trilogy in style with one of the best war novels ever. Can't wait.
Oct. 13, 2008, 2:24 a.m. CST
It will be as bad an abortion as Starship Troopers was. Plus the book could be viewed as homophobic.
Oct. 13, 2008, 3 a.m. CST
so long as he keeps Russell Crowe away from it, I'm down
Oct. 13, 2008, 3:07 a.m. CST
by The Outlander
He really is the only director that could make an awesome Dune movie.
Oct. 13, 2008, 3:09 a.m. CST
the same way Avatar will??
Oct. 13, 2008, 3:28 a.m. CST
WTF are you talking about? Tony Scott is about as far from being 'a smart director' as possible. Your post was a wind-up right?
Oct. 13, 2008, 3:49 a.m. CST
Oct. 13, 2008, 4:22 a.m. CST
It's a parody of the novel, sure. But it is still brilliant filmmaking.
Oct. 13, 2008, 4:40 a.m. CST
And yet not very apt. Having a war during the social upheaval of the 60s is the entire point of The Forever War. The act of coming home and finding your country changed forever. Nowadays you get youtube videos of soldier killing animals. Sounds to me more like their going to combine it with elements of Starship Troopers. It's funny isn't it, that there's a genre of science fiction based around the philosophical effects of war with insectoids? Ender's Game being the third obvious example.
Oct. 13, 2008, 4:48 a.m. CST
the guy on the cover looks exactly like James Franco to me. my boyfriend says "yeah.. a bit". Amirite? P.S. someone may have already said this lol
Oct. 13, 2008, 5:11 a.m. CST
i think that would be a kewl film. if you cant get the novel there was a pretty good manga version too. of course, you can always dream of some kinda foundation movie series...siiiiigh! well i am looking forward to more scott in space again! :op
Oct. 13, 2008, 5:23 a.m. CST
by Motoko Kusanagi
nothing else matters
Oct. 13, 2008, 5:32 a.m. CST
I'm in heaven (if it comes off). That is all.
Oct. 13, 2008, 6:09 a.m. CST
by Media Messiah
...and now these days, he is a much better director than Steven Spielberg who has been making a series of largely forgettable films of the last several years. I'd trust Tony Scott over Spielberg with any film project, especially after seeing Indiana Jones 4, the final stake in Spielberg's coffin, I'd say it is his Star Wars: Phantom Menace, or at least, almost as bad!!!
Oct. 13, 2008, 6:48 a.m. CST
by The Amazing G
I've been thinking for YEARS that Scott should really return to sci-fi, best news I've heard in awhile
Oct. 13, 2008, 6:58 a.m. CST
Cool news. Definition of.
Oct. 13, 2008, 7:01 a.m. CST
Goes without saying, matey!
Oct. 13, 2008, 7:25 a.m. CST
I agree the suits could screw this up pretty easily, 1. Too much CGI 2. Build to the required huge explosive climax with even more too much CGI.
Oct. 13, 2008, 7:32 a.m. CST
I almost forgot the essential 15 edits per 10 seconds of running time, shaky hand-held camera look and bleach bypass desaturated colors with a blue-green tint to everything...
Oct. 13, 2008, 7:38 a.m. CST
Seriously, don't get your hopes up. It's FOX.
Oct. 13, 2008, 8:08 a.m. CST
Jesus Christ, I know you guys are real fanboys. but it's Ridley Scott for fuck's sake!
Oct. 13, 2008, 8:15 a.m. CST
Fox Searchlight doesn't seem to have to deal with him so much. Wait is Fox 2000 just a stupid name for 20th Century Fox? Does Ridley Scott have enough Cameron style economic power to avoid Tom Rothman's director molestation?
Oct. 13, 2008, 8:28 a.m. CST
I was just talking to my wife a few nights ago how I wish Mr. Scott would do another Sci-Fi film. Well alrighty then!
Oct. 13, 2008, 8:31 a.m. CST
And for all your powered-armor junkies, have you read John Ringo's Gust Front? If not, read it for free here: http://tinyurl.com/4rd7jv
Oct. 13, 2008, 8:36 a.m. CST
cause he let the studio run roughshod over kingdom of heaven and he let orlando bloom play the lead, he made hannibal a grotesque piece of shit that no one could enjoy, he somehow made american gangster less than the sum of its parts, he did that wine movie with russell crowe which was uniformly panned, and he just got his ass kicked by a chihuahua. <p> oh, and nottingham sounds stupid conceptually and russell crowe is over - no one gives a shit about him any more ever since he bullied a journalist and threw a phone at a hotel clerk. he's considered an arrogant bully.<p> In fact I was reading an interview with Scott in which he said he can crank the movies out these days cause he knows he's right on set and everyone else is wrong. well if that's what's been the problem lately, fuck it. blade runner was made under incredible duress and look at the results.
Oct. 13, 2008, 8:54 a.m. CST
by Gungan Slayer
Been waiting to hear news like this for a long time now. Just please, please don't cast Russel Crowe in this.
Oct. 13, 2008, 9 a.m. CST
Lovely book. Mixed feelings about this news. IF it is made, I will probably see it. <p> And Variety ticks me off; Forever Peace is NOT a sequel (or prequel) to Forever War. <p> And personally, I hated Forever Peace. Neato setting and idea, sloppily executed. Just my opinion.
Oct. 13, 2008, 9:01 a.m. CST
that book cover is super cheesy.
Oct. 13, 2008, 9:57 a.m. CST
Posting the shittest cover for the novel they could find, and put off the typical VF from reading the fucking article at all! By the way, the film should be made, but not by Scott. He used to be the Holy Grail of any scriptwiter, but what has he done in recent memory that hasn't be a reactionary, overlong snooze?
Oct. 13, 2008, 10:07 a.m. CST
Scott is extremely busy still but, judging by recent output, he's significantly dropped his artistic standards.<p> The documentaries with the "Alien" DVD re-release show how hard Scott worked to turn a routine project into an outstanding movie. His brilliant story-boarding alone doubled the funding!<p> "Alien", its predecessor -"The Duellists" (still one of his best films), and "Blade Runner" (not the lame, dumbed down studio version) show what he was capable of when he was still artistically committed.<p> "Hannibal" was inexcusable. "Matchstick Men" was embarrassing. "Kingdom of Heaven" looked in places like a slavish copy of Peter Jackson.<p> The Scott/Crowe team is sadly inferior to Scorsese/De Niro or, for that matter, Spielberg/Hanks.<p> IMHO, Scott's true strengths are Cinematography and Set Design -he's a mediocre director of actors. He'll never be Pollack or Lumet so let's hope he gets back to what he's brilliant at - Astounding Visions on Screen.
Oct. 13, 2008, 10:15 a.m. CST
by Sick Fixx
House On the Borderland, Voyage to Arcturus, Shadow of the Torturer, Stranger in a Strange Land
Oct. 13, 2008, 10:17 a.m. CST
...but the production value has rarely if ever been the problem. Editing out of his control and sometimes awful scripts have been the major issue imo. If he gets a good adaptation of this, I expect the movie to be excellent. But I think anyone who knows the process of large budget filmmaking knows how incredibly difficult it is for a great script to make it through into production without being fucked to bits by profit minded hacks.
Oct. 13, 2008, 10:21 a.m. CST
for years? It reminds me of announcements of Stranger In A Strange Land being made eons ago.
Oct. 13, 2008, 10:33 a.m. CST
Now find a script and director for Altered Carbon, the greatest scifi novel of the last 15 years
Oct. 13, 2008, 10:34 a.m. CST
He's a Top Five director and he seems to be a producer of most of his recent movies (with his wife).<p> If he's directing weak scripts, it may be at least partly his own fault.<p>
Oct. 13, 2008, 10:35 a.m. CST
. . .and say that recently, Ridley Scott has had a pretty disappointing run. I haven't seen all of his works, but I really loved Blade Runner and Gladiator, while Kingdom of Heaven was flat-out terrible. My concern is that the sheer depth of the material will be glossed over by lot of CGI and explosions. Oh well. And why is Forever War going forward when Ender's Game is STILL in limbo?
Never read the book but I'm hoping it's better than Haldeman's "The Accidental Time Machine". Fucking deus ex machina ending.
Oct. 13, 2008, 11:24 a.m. CST
It's amazing how different and timeless those films look with their production value, and mostly the artistry of their lighting. Ridley has forgotten this in his recent dreck which looks like it was made for a 24 hour film challenge. Take your time and light the way you used to, Ridley.
Oct. 13, 2008, 11:32 a.m. CST
again? And the dunderheaded thriller Eagle Eye made just a bit less than Body Of Lies? Which opened at number 3?<p>I seriously believe if The Godfather was released nowadays, it would be a giant flop.
Oct. 13, 2008, 11:39 a.m. CST
Come on, it's a satire of the War On Terror four years before the war even started! It's an excellent black comedy.
Oct. 13, 2008, 11:52 a.m. CST
Despite the cheap effects and bad acting, the most recent sequel was even more pointed in its satire, with the singing general (shades of John Ashcroft) and the idea of "our god is better than your god".
Oct. 13, 2008, 12:01 p.m. CST
Oct. 13, 2008, 1:02 p.m. CST
As for Scott. He's VERY hit and miss. He ranges from great (Alien, Matchstick Men, Black Hawk Down) to ok (Gladiator, American Gangster) to shite (Legend, Thelma & Louise, GI Jane and Blade Runner. Yes, I said Blade Runner! Tried to watch it twice, theatrical and DC and its fucking awful. And how many versions of the same fucking film does he want to release? If you can't get it right the second time, you're not going to get it!). The theatrical version of Kindom of Heaven was terrible. I read that he regretted letting the studio trim it by almost an hour! What the fuck does he think is going to happen to a film if you trim almost a third of it? Anyway, watched the directors cut and its A LOT better. But the main problem with that film is Orlando Fucking Bloom. He CANNOT carry a film and the only thing he was good in was LOTR. As for this, I'm hoping it'll be great, but he should wait a few years because Avatar is going to come out and join the benchmark created by 2001 oh so long ago. Over and Out.
Oct. 13, 2008, 1:10 p.m. CST
Uhhh....you list Matchstick Men, and Black Hawk Down in Ridley's great category......Gladiator and American Gangster in okay......and Legend and Blade Runner in his shit? WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU? You're list is completely flipped on its ass. Matchstick Men better than Blade Runner? Uhhhhh.....yeah. I can never read on of your posts again. Unless you're telling a dick joke or something harmless like that. But opinion based? Fuck no. Your taste is absolute shit.
Oct. 13, 2008, 1:20 p.m. CST
Mytzylplx called, he wants you to return to Bizzaro dimension
Oct. 13, 2008, 2 p.m. CST
by Sick Fixx
Even the theatrical version was better than other fantasy tripe of the 80's like Lady Hawk and Dragonslayer.
Oct. 13, 2008, 2:07 p.m. CST
This is fucking fantastic news. The best news I've heard on this site, ever!!!! My favourite sci-fi book, nay favourite book, ever being brought to film by a very, very competent director. Count me happy!! Fuck yeah!
Oct. 13, 2008, 2:11 p.m. CST
I realise many people masturbate incessantly over their love of Ridley's 'Do Androids...' (i pre-empted that in my post). But to me, great visuals does not mean a great movie. I was fucking bored because it was FUCKING BORING! I even gave it the benefit of the doubt and tried it again. The DC was still FUCKING BORING! Yes, i think Matchstick and BHD are great films. Matchstick, like House of Games and The Sting, is a great con artist film, and they are hard to pull off successfully. Just watch the shite Oceans films. But if you're trying to tell me that you believe Legend is not an embarrasing piece of shit, then you are not one to question anyone else's opinion. Not to mention Hannibal! Scott COMPLETELY fucked up a character thats IMPOSSIBLE to fuck up. Even Ratner couldn't completely fuck it up. Over and Out.
Oct. 13, 2008, 2:58 p.m. CST
mattes. And film scratches for laser effects.
Oct. 13, 2008, 3:16 p.m. CST
There is more pure cinema in the title sequence of IJATKOTCS than in a handful of Tony Scott films.
Oct. 13, 2008, 3:18 p.m. CST
Blade Runner is awful? That's an original point of view I guess.
Oct. 13, 2008, 3:20 p.m. CST
1. Blade Runner 2. Alien 3. 1492 Conquest of Paradise 4. Kingdom of Heaven Director's Cut 5. Legend
Oct. 13, 2008, 3:58 p.m. CST
quote for their ID not liking Blade Runner. It could be said that Harrison Ford's performance is dour, Sean Young acts like she couldn't act her way out of a paper bag, it's slow ... either you get into the mood or you don't. And Droid? I can safely say about 98% of viewers "get it".
Oct. 13, 2008, 4:23 p.m. CST
Now I could go for that!!
Oct. 13, 2008, 4:25 p.m. CST
...boring. It makes you look like an ignorant kid with A.D.D. like Merrick's 12 year old son.....but whatever. <p>But Legend being shit movie? Give me a fucking break. Its some of the best photography, make-up effects, set design in film fucking history. Only a brain dead ape would say Legend is a shit movie. You could find it bizarre and uncomfortable as many do....but saying it is bad just makes you look stupid.
Oct. 13, 2008, 4:36 p.m. CST
Talkbackers have gone too far. I know you're starved for attention, but this is no way to receive it.
Oct. 13, 2008, 4:52 p.m. CST
<br><I>The Forever War</I> is one of my favorite books ever and I still read it.</br> <br>If this is true and not some fanboy's wet dream, then I hope that Scott can do it justice.</br>
Oct. 13, 2008, 4:57 p.m. CST
As I said previously, there is a lot of Blade Runner inspired masturbation among the geek community. Let it be so. And I can safely say that if by being in that 2% means I don't have to sit through BR again, then count me in!
Oct. 13, 2008, 5:07 p.m. CST
Point taken, hey, to each their own. I will agree that Matchstick Men is an overlooked gem. The casting of Alison Lohman and Sam Rockwell make it all the sweeter.
Oct. 13, 2008, 5:31 p.m. CST
I also see the guy from Burn Notice..Jeffrey Donovan.
Oct. 13, 2008, 5:32 p.m. CST
This is incredibly exciting news! That is, for me, Mr. Nice Gaius' post that Scott has bowed out of cranking out his adaptation of that other "unfilmable" masterpiece: "Blood Meridian." But Todd Field!?! With all due respect, I'm not so sure that he's a better choice. I still think that they should just save it for John Hillcoat. "The Proposition" was pitch-perfect, and "The Road" will rule this year's Oscah's.
Oct. 13, 2008, 5:38 p.m. CST
Ridley Scott directing the Forever War - It's just so perfect!
Oct. 13, 2008, 6:32 p.m. CST
Read this book in high school, loved it. Glad that Ridley Scott is taking a run at it. About time.
Oct. 13, 2008, 7:01 p.m. CST
Since Ridley forgot how to work with anyone else...
Oct. 13, 2008, 7:09 p.m. CST
Oct. 13, 2008, 7:12 p.m. CST
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Unfortunately, I think John Hillcoat may have already inadvertantly made his BLOOD MERIDIAN with THE PROPOSITION. While it's a really good movie, there is so much borrowed from McCarthy's book in terms of tone and atmosphere, I really don't see how he could do it again.<P>I think Todd Field's involvement is a VERY interesting development. He may be able to get away with more of the book's central themes and infamous scenes than the now more commercial Ridley Scott. Let's hope he has got a good grasp of the material. Apparently, it's still slated for a 2009 release.<P>As for THE ROAD, I've been searching the web for any and all new updates. Since it opens next month, we should be seeing our first glimpse sometime soon. I anxiously await to see what Hillcoat's done with that one!
Oct. 13, 2008, 7:14 p.m. CST
Black Hawk Down, Alien: masterpieces. Yet Gees he's made some movies that sucked. Better form please Ridley. I like the sound of this one.
Oct. 13, 2008, 7:17 p.m. CST
American Gangster was a real letdown. I expected something grittier. Even if they had to make shit up. I ain't paying $24 to watch no biography I want entertainment.
Oct. 13, 2008, 9:40 p.m. CST
Wait. There are actually people who liked this movie? Tom Cruise was laughable, the story was tediously boring, and the only good thing about this horrible piece of crap was Tim Curry. All of my friends and I were stoked to see it in the theater, and all of us walked out thinking it was the worst move Scott ever made.
Oct. 13, 2008, 10:11 p.m. CST
by half vader
Huh? Wouldn't there be ten thousand books with that kind of "tone" and "atmosphere"? It sorta comes off like you're saying McCarthy has copyrighted a feeling. I'm not having a go at you, great post and all, but that was a bit weird dude. <p> And he HAS done that "tone" before (and therefore again), but I'm guessing you're not Australian, or typically American (wait, don't take offence yet) in that you've only seen the ones that got mainstream U.S. release and haven't sought out earlier ones, and haven't seen Ghosts of the Civil Dead, which he also worked with Cave on, which is similar in "tone and atmosphere". BTW, American audiences have also missed out on some of Russell Crowe, Eric Bana and Heath Ledger's best stuff (especially Crowe, who hasn't topped what he did back then). Like I say I'm not having a go at you MNG, just saying that unfortunately that's usually the way it goes - most here on AICN judge these directors and actors from the time they hit Hollywood to they point where they say "EVERYTHING in their career to date"... etc., meaning Hollywood. With rare exceptions. Chopper and maybe this being two of them - although Guy Pierce and most of the actors in The Proposition have long Hollywood track records... <p> But yeah, are they keeping The Road that quiet on purpose? It's not like your average geek will have even read it, so they're not going to have the knives out... <p> Cheers!
Oct. 13, 2008, 10:13 p.m. CST
by half vader
... for the run-on sentences. Good God!
Oct. 14, 2008, 2:32 a.m. CST
Just my opinion.
Oct. 14, 2008, 2:39 a.m. CST
He's too cold, caluclating. Blood Meridian needs Alejandro Jodorowsky or Walter HIll.<p> BTW, American Gangster is nothing but a completely subpar two hour movie of The Wire with nowhere near the depth of character, theme, and authenticity or import.<p> One last thing about Crowe - Crowe has failed the essential leading man test. Women don't want to be with him any more, and men don't want to be him.
Oct. 14, 2008, 2:40 a.m. CST
Now that would be fascinating
Oct. 14, 2008, 5:36 a.m. CST
by half vader
... I'm still waiting for his reply in another thread to educate me about a film I actually worked on!
Oct. 14, 2008, 6:36 a.m. CST
Alison Lohman and and Sam Rockwell put in strong performances, but they didn't have a chance.<p> Scott seemed unable or unwilling to exert any discipline over Nicholas Cage - who turned in his worst, scenery-chewing, twitching, eye-rolling, schtick since "Vampire's Kiss".<p> It's not as if Cage can't act - "Leaving Las Vegas" and "Bringing out the Dead" show what he can do in the hands of a strong actor's director.<p> Scott himself admitted that Matchstick Men was "just a quickie" but that's a sad excuse from a director with his ability.
Oct. 14, 2008, 10:32 a.m. CST
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Cheers to you, sir. Long time, no talkback!<P>As for your thoughts on Hillcoat, no worries. And for the most part, I agree with you. I honestly don't recall and doubt if I've ever seen any of Hillcoat's other movies aside from THE PROPOSITION. So, I can't really comment on his work beyond that. (I think the first film I ever saw with Crowe was ROMPER STOMPER...)<P>However, I am curious...have you ever read BLOOD MERIDIAN? (It's unique among McCarthy's work. Few books can match its tone or its depravity. As a novel, it's about as dense and bleak as it gets.) Because I definitely think Cave and Hillcoat read it before they set to work on THE PROPOSITION. Strangely enough, I discovered BLOOD MERIDIAN by reading reviews of THE PROPOSITION - it was so heavily referenced as an influence, that I decided to check out the book. And from what I understand, it's Hillcoat's familiarity with McCarthy that led him to doing THE ROAD.<P>As for the point I was trying to make earlier - it's not that Hillcoat couldn't do an adaption of BLOOD MERIDIAN, its that I think he has sort of already done it with THE PROPOSITION. In my opinion, it's VERY familiar territory.<P>Word on THE ROAD has been rather quiet...at least on this site. But there have been some recent newspaper articles with photos and CHUD has run an update every now and then. I've got a feeling that things will change though once the first trailer hits. The book was a monster hit and there will be a LOT of people interested in seeing it on the big screen no matter how depressing it may be!
Oct. 14, 2008, 10:52 a.m. CST
by Mr. Nice Gaius
I admit that Field was an outta left-field development. But as for him being too cold and caluclating, that's exactly what BLOOD MERIDIAN is. Cold and merciless!
Oct. 14, 2008, 4:06 p.m. CST
is not calculating at all, or clinical, it is an orgy of all that is wrong in man. i don't think stanley kubrick himself could've done justice to blood meridian - it's far too biblical as opposed to intellectual. honestly it needs someone insane. the closest we'll ever get to blood meridian that has any proximity to the book is probably jordowsky's El Topo.<p> And seriously, Ridley Scott, you're fucking amazing, get your shit together. You're turning into the highbrow George Lucas.
Oct. 14, 2008, 4:38 p.m. CST
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Well, the story of BLOOD MERIDIAN could definitely be described as an "orgy of all that is wrong in man". And yes, it is very Biblical in scope and brutality. Everyone in the book (with the exception of the Judge and maybe the Kid) seems capable of nothing more than brute instinct.<P>However, the manner in which the story is told is another matter entirely. McCarthy's language (a mash-up of arcane, Biblical, and Faulkner/Melville-style flourishes) especially in terms of describing the violence is cold and matter-of-fact. I think it's this matter-of-fact telling that makes the impact of the violence so disturbing. It's like the idea of bloodlusting insanity told through an indifferent and callous voice.<P>I think if the film were "told" in an insane manner, it would border on FEAR AND LOATHING IN LAS VEGAS territory = total sensory overload and incoherence. And while some of that is essential to the story, it should never lose the matter-of-fact or indifferent perspective to the viscious horror taking place on the screen.<P>BLOOD MERIDIAN is not an easy property to adapt...but I think a cold and calculating director (i.e. Field) might have as good a chance at making something truly disturbing.<P>Thanks for mentioning EL TOPO. I'll check it out.
Oct. 14, 2008, 6:06 p.m. CST
I'm so goddamn sick of Ridley Scott's earthbound movies. They fucking suck. 10 years ago I was screaming, "Enough! Get back into outer space where you belong, you shithead! No one wants to see your boring movies about earth!" Fuck that fat pig russel crowe and boring di caprio. Fuck leonardo's 'serious role' facial hair. Gladiator was fine but Scott was born to direct certain movie genres and 'realism' is not one of them! Jesus fucking Christ, thank god he's going back to sci-fi where he belongs. Iraq movies, gangster movies, russel crowe vacation travelogues...stop the madness!! Back to space with you...and stay there!!! (Or fantasy is fine too.) Goddamn it!!!
Oct. 14, 2008, 8:40 p.m. CST
In its scope, it's truly impossible to film every single chapter exactly as it leaps from the pages. If Fields has it in him to pull this off, I have not seen it yet, but I'm hoping it's in there alright. If he does, Blood Meridian is going to be one hell of a movie. <p> What drturing is saying, I think, is that the clinical narrative does give way to several scenes of extreme surrealism, horror and madness (carnival in the night, whore's banquet, ending, etc...) <p> I think someone like Herzog would have gotten the humanity/depravity right, but he would have been reluctant to do it on the scale it demands. <p> As for Hillcoat, I think that, while The Proposition was certainly influenced by Blood Meridian, the stories, characters and locations are really quite different. The tone and pacing of the film does serve as a perfect template for how one might adapt Blood Meridian properly. <p> Again, whatever we get will have to be abbreviated, and who knows if anyone can really pull it off. I was hoping for a big-budget HBO miniseries directed by the Coen Brothers, but, this too, is madness. <p> You'll see that Moynahan is no longer attached, with Field writing the adaptation himself. The great Scott Rudin (No Country for Old Men, There Will Be Blood, etc...) is producing. I sincerely wish them well and hope they have all the time and money that this project deserves.
Oct. 16, 2008, 11:53 a.m. CST
by half vader
Glad you took the post in the spirit it was intended. No I haven't read it (well I started to while in a bookstore, forgot the time, went onto other things and then walked out of the shop without it!!) I know what you're getting at though. I just thought that if he could do the 'familiar territory' first with Ghosts, then again with Proposition, maybe third time's a charm eh? <p> Yeah Crowe was great in Romper Stomper - and went straight from that to playing a gay guy in The Sum of Us. There's a stretch for ya. The great Jack Thompson was his Dad. He does have a temper though. Almost ran me over once in his fancy Porsche 4WD, too (I think the speed limit was like 20kph, too - not whatever he was doing). And I saw him blow seven bells out of a journo... still, shouldn't confuse the singer with the song I guess. Shared a dressing-room with Thompson too - he's cool. O.K. enough being a wanker for now...