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Leapin' Lizards!! ABC Bringing Back V!!
I am – Hercules!!
"The 4400" co-creator Scott Peters is penning a remake of the 1983 Nazi-lizard alien-invastion miniseries "V."
Variety describes the premise:
In this case, the new "V" will center on Erica Evans, a Homeland Security agent with an aimless son who’s got problems. When the aliens arrive, her son gloms on to them — causing tension within the family. As in the original "V," several storylines will unfold simultaneously.
Find all of Variety’s story on the matter here.
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Super-hype it up, and I'm sure it could do well.
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What's with this struggling family crap and teenagers that just don't get it? They better be on the ball for scripting this one. And, where the frak is originality in Hollywood anymore?
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damn.
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This is great news!!
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Can't the fucking current regime at Warners Television summon up the brains to realize how V was ruined in the first place? Kenneth Johnson is what made it special in the first place...and he WANTS to work on a new production. Bastards.
No Mike, no Julie, no Kenneth Johnson, no me as a viewer... -
Howard Johnson is right about Kenneth Johnson being pissed.
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And his baggy of flesh tearing red dust!
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But even then the effects were cheesy. Make another Alien Nation TV movie and I'll be happy.
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I can't wait to see this,but please don't make this anti-bush. Choose Nazis, Darfur, Terrorism, etc. There are many other evils to choose from. We have a bajillion anti-republican films and shows out already. V is utter coolness, it doesn't need to go down the well tread road of Bush regime is like Nazis....yada yada.
I will watch it regardless. I hope it gets good funding for nice special effects.
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If I remember correctly, he quit because of creative difference and wanted the second mini-series to be similiar to his last book, V:The Second Generation. So the series did survive without him.
That said, I don't mind seeing a reboot of V, but I am not look for a family drama bullshit. I am also not looking for them to create new character and just steal storylines from the original (the storyline described is similiar to the Mike/Sean father/son subplot).
If they can do more of Battlestar Galatic type of reboot than a Bionic Woman or Knight Rider reboot, then I will be on board. Otherwise, they should just make a feature film or two and go big budget. -
Idiotic. The only way to do this RIGHT is to make a feature film based on the original series. That way, everything from the SFX, to the dialouge, violence and human-on-lizard sex can be ratcheted up several notches!The original mini-series was very good, but this television remake will fall flat on its face, guaranteed.BAD move, ABC... >:(
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I think we are all indebted to Gabby Johnson here for clearly stating what had to be said, and I'm glad the children were here today to hear that speech. Not only was it authentic frontier gibberish, but it expressed a courage that is little seen in this day and age.
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Why not just base it off the original but set it 25 years later? Maybe the lizards have become immune to the red dust or whatever the fuck that shit was. Or maybe after mastering the intricacies of interstellar space travel the dumb fuckers finally invented gas masks or environmental suits that would enable them to visit Earth. Do something new with it rather than rehashing all the old shit.
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if you read the variety article closely, you will notice that there is another executive producer teamed up with scott peters. It is a guy named jace hall.
I looked him up imdb and it is JASON HALL the guy who started MONOLITH!!
Dude, this guy has made some of the best games I've ever played. SHOGO, BLOOD, ALIENS VS. PREDATOR 2, TRON 2.0, F.E.A.R., CONDEMNED.
It's all top rated shit, and Monolith is known for their awesome highly rated narrative games and storytelling.
it is hard for me to believe that this guy would be involved in a tv show like this and it would come out badly or be unoriginal. his track record with games is pretty top notch for the most part. also i found this internet show he does called thejacehallshow and in it he has Gary Graham which tells me something is up with Ken Johnson on this because Gary Graham was the lead detective in ALIEN NATION and Ken Johnson did that show.
so jace hall must know ken johnson and ken johnson must know about this project or be a part of it in some way.
i dunno, there is def a connection.
i just think that this jace hall exec producer guy is making this a little more interesting. i am a fan of the games he does. they are pretty deep. this could be really good or at least different.
i'm skepticallly optimistic.
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Gloms?
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That's a typical Variety word. It was in the original...don't blame the AICN article.
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Yes... The souls of the children give me strength.
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A show about the dangers of glomming
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snort some red dust.
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I remember the fanboy fury six years ago when the remake of Battlestar Galactica was announced, not long after Tom DeSanto's continuation project fell apart. I predict a similar level of fury on the intertubes, though in this instance I feel genuinely sorry for Johnson, who's a good writer and a genuinely nice guy. Still, I liked The 4400 (damn you USA Network!) and I'll still check this out.
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ahahahahahahahaha
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we need a show to totally piss off the wingnuts
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Seriously though, what are neocons?
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Seriously...that socialist is scary, her wide-eyed, dentured smile says, "I will EAT YOUR SOUL!" like those EVIL DEAD demons. Perfect for V!
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First they wanted to do a sequel to the first series. An idea I liked. Then they decided to do a movie. An idea I could live with. And now a remake. A REMAKE!!! My god. Is there any intelligence left in Hollywood?
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Who needs analogy anymore?
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Bloody Hollywood suits! Christ!
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in Battlestar this will kick Caprica's (the spinoff)ass. Unfortunately ABC needs more than 2 million Viewers so chances are higher that it will become as soapy as the first season of Jericho.
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He's been trying to make a follow up for years, why not let him do it?
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they don't do the miracle half breed pregnancy. Woman goes to term in a day or 3. Kid goes to adulthood in a few days or overnite. And has supapowers.
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Gotta say, I'd be a lot more interested in this if it was a sequel series about a second invasion 25 or 30 years later. Have the reason for the second invasion start out as if it was a diplomatic rescue mission for the now poorly treated Visitors that were left behind after the war, and who had helped the humans in the resistance, only to be rewarded with being put in internement camps and/or treated like second class citizens after the invasion was over, despite their roles in helping humanity win back their planet. So the Visitors agree to leave, a ship comes to get them, but really it turns out to be the spearhead of another Invasion, and a somewhat justified one this time, which muddies the dramatic waters, as many who helped us last time only to be punished and badly treated by humanity for it later are now only to ready for a little payback, while others are torn in their loyalties, and even a large degree of sympathetic humans join the invaders against their own people. That way they could both start over with a fresh story in the same basic concept, as well as bringing back a few classic characters from the previous miniseries and show. Hell, s'what I'd do anyway. Fuck it, hire Ironside and Englund regardless of how you unfold the new V, and I'll probably watch anyway.
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I read the first forty pages or so and found out life is too short for crappy sci-fi. I loved the original show though, so if there's a chance it gets better after a few chapters, I might give it another chance.
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but lets be honest, they are dated and to continue from where they left off... either at the end of the miniseries or the end of the series, would just be hokey. the 80's mentality of things, the fear of communism and fascism just wont play well today. it would be like remaking Red Dawn, and Top Gun...or doing a sequel to one of those set in present time.... which do you think works better? a sequel or a remake? NEITHER! so this series needs a FRESH approach if it is going to be resurrected. start over and change the visitors "angle". and beef up the special effects for fucks sake. not a remake, but a reboot.
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just sounds like a shitty take on an all-too-familiar storyline.
ok maybe nobody saw Bionic Woman coming but we all knew Knight Rider was going to blow dog before pen even hit paper and if the Big W can't see what a bad idea this is, they deserve everything they get for making it happen.
Yes there's a small amount of parallel with the BSG campaign ultimately resulting in a reboot - but that show didn't turn it's back on the original plot or characters and decide it needed to go off in some completely new direction.
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although no one could ever adapt Pynchon
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V was awesome ... but cheesy. If they treat this seriously - kind of a mix between V for Vendetta and Battlestar Galactica, it might just work. Of course, the a-holes will plop it down on Thursday night along with every single other show on tv ... so I'll probably never get to see it.
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If they make it BSG good - I say go for it.
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It wasn't that good 20 years ago. Why torture us again?!?!?
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this is the info on Kenneth Johnson's website: Update 10/9/08 -- You may hear reports that Warner Bros TV is attempting to
“reimagine” V as a television series. This is relatively old news. Last fall their
new concept, which Kenny in not involved with, was passed on by all four
networks. Though ABC is again considering the possibility of developing a
TV pilot project, this does not in any way affect Kenny’s ongoing efforts to
remake his original classic as a major motion picture.
Kenny’s prime desire is to bring big-screen production values to the new
movie while protecting the quality, integrity and substance that made his
original V such a critically acclaimed, international landmark.
More soon. Ignore all other rumors -- the real deal will always be announced
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but the sci-fail channel has sci-fi in development. (sorry this shitty D movies don't count)
more power to ABC. I'll watch. -
If they make a V TV series, the V movie is pretty much dead. Just ask Glenn Larson and his attempts to get a Battlestar Galatica movie.
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...Totally gay! This 80s nostalgia bullshit's GOTTA stop!!!
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Come on! Really! Another remake show!
There is no hope for this industry where all that gets done is remakes of old shows or show that are done in other countries.
What a joke there isn't an original idea out there anymore. -
The alien chicks have big hair, I'm in
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I hope you're not serious... If so, wow, our education system has failed more so than the stock market lately. Any president who would rush a shiatty bailout like this $700billion blunder like Bush did, is FAR from a fascist... Actually leaning more towards communist, but I digress As for bringing back V, I remember watching the TV show and reading all the books as a kid. But even back then thinking "Oh man is this over the top cheese!" Good cheese, but cheese nonetheless. Curious if this will be the same, or be more like the BSG revamp. Won't write it off just yet.
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If they are going to bring back a show make it Earth 2 not V. While not as creepy it was far better.
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I like Tom Cullen's idea, but I think the intersting part of V was the inital stance, almost like a global marketing campaign to convince the world that they were harmless. The fake masks hiding the reptilian underneath could me a metaphor for the new series. Oh Alifemede, Fascists in both Germany and Italy used Corporatism quite extensively in their respective regimes.
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Screw revisioning. Stop shitting on fans. Continue the story, ABC!
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I haven't heard that word since Fonzie accused Leather Tuscadaro of stealing his wallet.
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a darker storyline in lieu of the campiness, this could be an interesting series.... FWIW didn't have any hope for BSG, BUT after viewing it, was very pleased.
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What does Kenneth Johnson have to say about this proposed series? If he's not on board, count me out. V is NOTHING without series creator Kenneth Johnson. Just look at what became of the original without his involvement. That's like making a Star Wars movie without George Lucas! The end product just wouldn't be the fucking same!
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Maybe not so cool now.
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Oct 10, 2008 8:30:45 AM CDT
V For Vendetta...Get TORRI HIGGINSON To Play The JANE BADLER Rol
by popparotzi
...maybe I'll show her my trouser lizard...if you know what I mean...and I think you do...
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Oct 10, 2008 8:32:28 AM CDT
V For Vendetta...Get TORRI HIGGINSON To Play The JANE BADLER Rol
by popparotzi
...by the way, "Rol" means "Role"...carry on...
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The aliens need those giant shades. Remember them? No shades? No uniform? No show. Keep the uniform the same, bro.
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And even taught myself to play the theme song one the piano lol
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from the story to acting to (cost effective) production design and sfx etc. But if it can be done with BSG then I have hope. Not a lot of hope since it's on network TV and there will be too many people who want to make sure it's PC and kid friendly and have universally acceptable themes and stuff... But some hope is better than no hope.
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No habeas corpus, no posse comitatus, star chambers, torture, never ending wars, extremist nationalism, politicians unaccountable to the public, and most importantly socialized risk with privatized profits. We are now the textbook definition of a fascist society. Obviously the message of the last V and all those Nazi flicks was totally lost on the American public. I like the up to date message of this one, but making the star a Homeland Security agent kind of flies in the face of it. But I'm sure I'll check it out and hope that it's not Knight Rider bad.
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Just let Kenneth Johnson do his thing with "V". Have it take place after the original invasion where earth has been under visitor rule for 20-30 years.
Also, does that render this IMDB entry bullshit? Because THIS is what I want to see, not some half assed reboot...
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as the messiah! Then half the population loses their critical-thinking ability and turn into mindless zomibies. The zombies can then shuffle around town and instead of saying "Braaaiinns!" it can be "Chaaaaannge!". That would be awesome!!
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You know that scary bitch swallows live mice whole on a fairly regular basis.
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Ow, my sides are hurting. LOL. That fucking rocks man.
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The sequel sounded better and it would introduce new characters as well as retread on the old.Man what BS.BUT THATS HOLLYWOOD FOR YA.
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...you just know all those tiny little, sharp-ass mouse bones gotta hurt like a muthafuckah on the way out!
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Why? Is it harder to continue the story? Would the writers have to think and be creative then? I guess it's easier to to a remake. BURN HOLLYWOOD BURN!!!!
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Finding out they were Reptilians was very unexpected and exciting, when I was a kid.
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Oct 10, 2008 10:49:57 AM CDT
Idiots, the Hollywood remake machine is at it
by grammaton cleric binks
again. Get Kenneth Johnson, and let him do V, the second generation like he wanted. Idiots, ugh.
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Invoking the "It would be like Star Wars without George Lucas" argument might not be the best way to approach convincing people that Johnson needs to be involved. Just sayin.'
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the actors were wearing two masks - a lizard mask over a human mask, for those 'claw and shred the face away to reveal lizard skin' shots. They had no way to make the eyes look real, so they had to hide them with massive sunglasses. With CGI and improved animatronic FX, they could probably do a much better job and not need the sunglasses anymore.
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... that thinks they should either plan to continue the original series or just push a film project with Disney. Whatever happens, they're still likely going to generate more interest in the original series, so why try a reboot? ABC might be better-off combining some of its own lesser-known 80's genre series in a Disney film project, and releasing DVD's of the original airings. This would work especially well for some of the shows that only lasted one full season. If they grabbed one of the top Marvel writers for the initial story concept (and worked with Marvel on the comic version of the show, along with Toybiz(?) on product tie-ins), they could effectively re-boot some characters which they previously *lost* money on. For now, I'm just trying to understand why Kenneth Johnson hasn't been able to get studio support for a "V" movie. Does anyone understand what he's been doing wrong?
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... you're too much, fellow poster. "Burn, Hollywood, Burn"...
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Ken Johnson's "V: The Second Generation" novel is bad. Really bad. The plot starts with a good idea--those other aliens that Julie tried to contact at the end of the first miniseries finally show up. But his writing is awful. It reads like a script treatment, not a novel. It has paragraphs full of physical description and exposition instead of character development. There are wild swings in perspective, and there's a lack of depth or logic to the world. Maybe it would play better on screen, but on the page, it stank.
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Fred always wanted to say that.
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get my balls out of your mouth this instant.
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Sounds like they're taking the skeleton of his ideas, throwing bland story elements and rushing yet another remake out. If you want quality, go with the creator, if they are available. And yeah, its now like the plundering Visitors have us already. Somebody get Marc Singer, quick.
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no care.
seriously...when are they doing another beastmaster? no remake no "re-imaging". give me a shitty sequel with marc and rip and those adorable scamps kodo and podo and i'll gladly pay $12 to see it. -
this was already done to death.
Earth: Final Conflict
Which had the worse final season of any show I can remember -
Masked Reptilian meets Shape shifting reptilian.
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If they wanted to do it right, they'd make it modern day - have the lizards basically win the 80's battles in the end, and now after a generation of lizard living, humans have decided enough is enough, and are serious about a rebellion and have at it in a BIG lizards v humans battle for earth's future.
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I'd rather V than whatever SciFi is on now.
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Too late, you missed it...
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And heres why:
The unique and interesting thing about V was the story of humans gradually accepting a more and more restrictive/authoritarian government and how people either were willing to go along with that or stand up to it. Once you get to the "aliens in charge" stage, its just another humans v alien film. So to recapture what made V great you have to go back to the start... -
They shafted him on that new Freddy film, they better give him a part as ,like, an earth scientest or something in a wacky juxtoposition/give-the-original- guy-his-props style scenario.
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V was done in three series. For there was V: the miniseries. Then came V: The Final Battle. Later came V: The Series which went for one season and brought the series to total closure (Apparently "The Final Battle" was anything but that). The fifth column won control of command of the visitors in the end (with help of the resistance), arrested Diana, and left Earth peacefully and forever (Though they left so quickly they couldn't possibly have dropped off all of those captive humans in the process which could have been one feasible thing to build a sequel off of I guess).
I would lean towards a redo, but after seeing how Battlestar Gallactica got butchered in its reimagining, I'd be afraid to see how the story here would get trashed as well. -
Oh my god this used to scare the shit out of me as a kid! I still to this day have no idea what it was about. Off to IMDB I go.
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I know there are only so many plots in the world, but, c'mon!
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http://www.app.com/article/20081010/NEWS/81010036
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Bad sign since 4400 was shot in Canada. IMO, virtually every American show shot in Canada is low quality crap. And don't make it look like it a Sci-Fi channel original movie.
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This is just some trial balloon that ABC sent up for our reaction; I loved the mini-series, and anyone who's seen the last eps of the show that didn't get broadcast knows it went to crap.
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Yup. Just look it up.
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V:The Final Battle was a V mini-series without Kenneth Johnson and it was still pretty good. Johnson quit that mini-series in the early stages because he did not like the direction NBC wanted to go. If Johnson stayed with project, there wouldn't have been the Ham Tyler character (one of the more popular characters from the series) for example. It is clear that was a character developed after Johnson left the project since he is nowhere to be found in his V:Second Generation book. Not even a mention.
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I remember enjoying the V mini-series, but the TV series was really bad. I predict that we will see some kind of role for Marc Singer, but not for Robert England. He went on to do Freddie and he is too big a movie star now to return to television. There may actually be a Freddie v. Jason v. Michael movie.
By the way, this will be Canadian made all the way. In the future, all TV shows will be filmed in Canada. -
to V: The Final Battle was friggin awesome...its my second fav TV intor music after Twin Peaks....most tv theme tunes these days arent of that atandard....except maybe the Sopranos and Six Feet Under, but they only come marginally close really....maybe Curb-oh and Arrested Developments theme was pretty nifty
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So sad, Mr. Beastmaster was sitting at a table by himself, waiting for people to come up and ask for his autograph. A few feet away, there were literally hundreds of people waiting to get an autograph from the used-to-be-hot-but-now-totally-unrecognizable Jenna Jameson.
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HellKing, my pal, my friend, my fellow scifi lover, where else can they film it? First rule of filming ANYTHING!!!! is, it must be made as CHEAP as possible!!!!!!!!!
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... the 2nd mini-series gave us a top-notch character in Ham Tyler, but didn't it also give us that terrible "Starchild uses her magical glowing powers" ending? That was one of the all-time worst rip-off/cheat/cop-out/sell-out/screw-job endings of the genre. I'd rather have seen Elizabeth use a laptop computer to diffuse the doomsday device. And, yes, that's intentionally anachronistic...
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the "official" ie Ken Johnson V concept is set 20 years later and basically ignores the non-Ken V shows (The Series and I believe The Final Battle too).
So yes, no Ham Tyler (which absolutely was a totally cool character thanx in no small part to Mr Ironside) and also no stupid ass Starchild magical powers - which is exactly what we'll no doubt be getting from BSG btw.
Instead we get the answer to our distress call sent out to the OTHER alien race who could kick the Visitors' ass. I guess they're about 20 lightears away?
They arrive and we find out that as much as we had to fear from the (non-5th Column) Visitors, these guys are FAR WORSE.
I must admit I haven't read the book. From the above description, Ken's writing style sounds a lot like William Gibson's - which is notoriously difficult to adapt to screen. Maybe that's why it's been so hard to greenlight?
Regardless, does ANYONE believe ABC's single mother and troubled teen premise sounds BETTER??
Anyone?
Anyone?
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The ol' Reptilians from "V" vs. Natalie Portman as the new V from "V for Vendetta!" "VvV" would certainly blow "AvP" away, and it be 100% compliant with the secret Hollywood Unoriginality Act. Va-Va-Voom!
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called the Predators to Earth to fight the Visitors? Hey a guy can dream can't he?
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LOL...no I don't think so, just thought it would be interesting to see if anyone actually gets that joke...still have my old V toy laser gun from when I was a wee one. Have the Dvd's and am glad my 12yr old son likes them too! Now, when are we going to get a big budget, David Fincher directed "They Live" remake!!! C'mon Hollywood, the time is now!!!
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too bad there's no talkbacks for it. cool i loved V when i was a small one back in 84.
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In this case, the new "V" will center on Erica Evans, a Homeland Security agent with an aimless son who’s got problems. When the aliens arrive, her son gloms on to them — causing tension within the family.
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Family entertainment does not mean that the program must portray a family.
The network imbeciles mollify pressure group imbeciles with single mothers and teens in shows that should not be aimed at mothers or children.
That's their audience? I'm not in it. -
Oct 10, 2008 10:09:55 PM CDT
we already have a Sci-FI story of a mother with a troubled teen
by the podosphere
on teevee. It's called the Sarah Conner Chronicles.
That being said, I hope they go very dark like the Galactica remake and not stupid Gossip Girly like Knight Rider. If you compromise, you wind up with the Bionic Woman redux, and we all know how well THAT turned out. -
Some of them - Galactica!!!!! - don't suck.
And there area a lot of great original movies and teevee shows out there, many of which - like Dexter - do get some coverage here. -
I work in development for one of the big studios. The problem is we wanted to do a series of HUGE V movies. But Johnson wanted to direct them. He is younger than McCain but not by much. It wasn't gonna happen. Now he went and fucked himself because this show kills his movie. Dumb bastard.
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hit!
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*lol* Yeah, Englund is way to big to go the "back to TV-route" like nobodys as Glenn Close, Tim Roth, James Woods, William Hurt, Ray Liotta, Laurence Fishburne or Harvey Keitel.
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Oct 11, 2008 7:57:15 AM CDT
Non-stop remakes of cheesy 70's and 80's TV shows...
by nasty in the pasty
Does Seth McFarlane run EVERYTHING now?!
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...due to the fact that 90% of television shows (and 100% of Lifetime movies)are filmed there. Hollywood producers are now looking to Mexico as the new destination for filming cheap, shitty looking TV shows and Made for TV Lifetime movies.
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I felt in a lot of ways the second mini-series was superior to the first, but I do agree that the human/visitor hybrid child and the ending were very weak. It was definitely a cop out ending.
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I think the concept of Johnson's V:Second Generation is actually pretty cool idea, but the execution was terrible. The book was not good. I think you can do a movie on it, but I think it would needed to be improved.
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However, the original reasons for the Visitor invasion were absurd. Shipping water off Earth is just daft, and shipping people home for food isn't much better. We could just sell them Enceladus and a couple of rabbits, problem solved. Makes more sense just to say they're just a mean bunch of lizard people who conquer planets just for the hell of it. I for one welcome our scaly overlords.
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Read it back in Feburary and it wasn't bad. I corresponded with Kenneth Johnson via email around the time the original "V" was released on DVD (he left his address at the end of the commentary) I had asked him what his original vision for "V: TFB" was and it was very much like the book. I agree with an earlier TBer that it would've worked much better on the screen, and I believe that was Johnson's intention all along. Too bad no Ham Tyler, though. He was the only good character to come from the post-Johnson "V" stories.
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TVGuy... to this day, I still wonder if the silly Starchild ending was something they came up with on the fly. For such a well-organized show (in 80's terms), that was too bad to put into words... though Maniaq probably said it best. The "new" creators were doing pretty good up until that point. Nomeking... if what you write is true, then that would make sense. Johnson's best bet--- if he insisted on directing--- would've been to get a handle of the exact budget he needed, court a cast that would agree to work at scale, and try to raise a large volume of internet micro-financing. It likely would've taken some time to raise the capital, but it would've been possible. At the same time, he could try to work with a comic company (like a Dark Horse) to give his works new exposure--- thereby boosting his own name--- and subsequently push to have some decision-making power on casting and selecting the director. the later strategy would've likely made more sense, as opposed to strong-arming the very studios known for ignoring most parties that try to strong-arm them.
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when the Visitors talked, and they didn't have that funky voice modulation thing going.
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Hey all, we just finished two years as a Nielsen family. I killed all your favorite shows! Feel free to ask any Nielsen-related questions.
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in "Internal Affairs".
Stephen Collins was a lucky guy. -
Damn, so badass. Really digging it.
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Oct 12, 2008 7:47:03 PM CDT
This time they're just buying up land rights over aquifers
by brandloyalist
You know, like T. Boone Pickens and other water rights land grabbers. These cold-blooded lizard people say they're our friends, but they've got secret plans to feed on humanity and steal its resources. Who needs to pump water up into spaceships when you can just price it right out of reach? Then there was a that leaked Youtube video of Pickens unhinging his jaw to swallow a live guinea pig.
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