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Tuesday Brings McCain-Obama II!!
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Tonight’s debate between John McCain and Barack Obama in Nashville is designed to resemble a town hall meeting.
The Republican nominee has his work cut out for him. Two new national polls indicate Obama has widened his lead over McCain. From Bloomberg:
Oct. 7 (Bloomberg) -- Barack Obama has widened his lead over Republican presidential rival John McCain in two national polls and is maintaining an edge in two daily tracking polls with less than a month to go before the election.
An NBC-Wall Street Journal poll found Obama supported by 49 percent of registered voters, a 6-point margin over McCain. Two weeks ago an NBC-Journal poll put Obama's lead at 2 points.
Obama led McCain 53 percent to 45 percent among likely voters in a CNN-Opinion Research Corp. survey, up from a 4-point advantage for the Democrat in September. Obama's lead widened to 14 points, 56 percent to 42 percent, among registered voters.
He also is ahead by 8 points in a Gallup Inc. daily tracking poll of registered voters, the 10th straight day he's held a statistically significant lead in that survey. A Diageo- Hotline tracking poll showed Obama getting 47 percent to McCain's 41 percent.
All four polls were conducted after the first presidential debate and the vice presidential debate, and after Congress passed and President George W. Bush signed a $700 billion financial rescue plan designed to unlock credit markets and restore confidence in the banking system.
Bush's record-low unpopularity is hurting McCain, said Keating Holland, CNN's polling director.
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An NBC-Wall Street Journal poll found Obama supported by 49 percent of registered voters, a 6-point margin over McCain. Two weeks ago an NBC-Journal poll put Obama's lead at 2 points.
Obama led McCain 53 percent to 45 percent among likely voters in a CNN-Opinion Research Corp. survey, up from a 4-point advantage for the Democrat in September. Obama's lead widened to 14 points, 56 percent to 42 percent, among registered voters.
He also is ahead by 8 points in a Gallup Inc. daily tracking poll of registered voters, the 10th straight day he's held a statistically significant lead in that survey. A Diageo- Hotline tracking poll showed Obama getting 47 percent to McCain's 41 percent.
All four polls were conducted after the first presidential debate and the vice presidential debate, and after Congress passed and President George W. Bush signed a $700 billion financial rescue plan designed to unlock credit markets and restore confidence in the banking system.
Bush's record-low unpopularity is hurting McCain, said Keating Holland, CNN's polling director.
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not first though
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Look, Please right wingers, moderates....please don't ruin the country by voting for McManiac and the Ice Queen.
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How is Sarah Palin even still governor? She had a presence at some crazy secessionist convention? Alaska has the chance of turning into another waco disaster.
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Leave this shit on. It's hilarious.
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C'mon, does anyone REALLY think there will be a world-wide shift based on who gets the WH? It'll be the same-ol'-same-ol' gripe and groan fest that's been going on since the founding of our Republic in 1787. Sit back and enjoy the show.
This is from a person who's first mark on his first ballot was for Reagan in 1984! GO OBAMA!!!
BTW, how does one change his name on here? "stanton29" is kinda lame! I was hoping for "The Dreaded Rear Admiral" or something COOL! -
I come here to read about movie news, not the ramblings of a left winger. I am a ten plus years reader of this site, and I can't stand it's politics, but I keep coming back for whatever passes for "scoops" these days. There should be places where people can go and not have the someone else's politics thrown in their face. You can't pick up a magazine and read an article without some "jab" from the author, or watch a movie anymore without the same.
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It's important to be engaged in this and the debates ARE on television. Therefore I find it very relevant for this site, loserguy.
How anyone can make themselves vote for McCain is beyond me though. Totally irresponsible running mate and horrible financial trickle-down policies that leaves those (everyone not rich) in dire straights.
If you know what's good for you, you won't go for the republican smear and slander machine's propaganda. Especially fox news. blergh.
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Obama's gonna win.. my guess it will take about 7 months before the collective majority of the US goes "oh fuck!!!" .. im looking forward to the shenanigans!!!
although i hope he changes a bit when he gets the job.. wont be cool if he pulls out of IRAQ too soon and you yank boys have to go back in a couple of years. -
its bad enough everytime i turn on NBC i see that retarded bitch tina fey making fun of palin. it was funny once, now its just ridiculous.
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Adam Sandler is a whiny-voiced middle-aged Jewish politician with no hope for advancement. Using the latest latex skin technology, his grandma's glasses, a Wal-mart wig designed to fully cover any area of skin with visible wrinkles, and his own cankles, he turns himself into a whiny-voiced, uber-successful, bible-bashing female politician.
Hilarity ensues. Tag line: "She's in De'man'd" -
Does that mean the Pit Bull is wearing cosmetics, or that it has a doggy erection?
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I doubt he ever has. It's the only way to explain the race-for-the-bottom type of stories this site has started posting in the last few months.
The obnoxiously offensive Script Girl posts, the Palin porno story, Shoehorning politics into every discussion, the entire amazon back catalog (complete with graphics) all linking back to earn the poster 20 cents if anyone buys from that link...
This site has really begun to suck ass and frankly the only reason I'm here anymore is that the talkbacks are often entertaining. -
has a fucked up body.. little up top and huge from the hips down.. oh, shes also not funny and 30 rock sucks balls. thats how i felt before i knew what a nutty leftist she was.. now i really dislike that cunt.
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Support one way or another is biased, loserguy. As often is the view on media.
To call naming Fox News rightist propaganda, I'd say, is not a matter of being leftist or defending anything leftist, is fact. At least for anyone with eyes, ears and a semi-functioning brain in between.
Also, to go a little on your crusade here, I'd say that there are tons of other posts on this site which feature movies and just movies. If you don't like this segment of it, then perhaps you should just simply not go under the political segments?
I do think it's valid for it to be here still. Last talkback on the first debate was past 1k posts in talkback, which means people wanted to talk about it. If I was Harry I certainly wouldn't take it away.
Too, to call the headline to this talkback for 'left wing smear' on equivalent basis to what comes out of the deeply republican media like fox news is the laughable bit. It's not tit for tat. It's not fair and balanced, it's not the same thing.
I've found my standing point and write it so obviously open simply because I don't see any sane person making a different choice. I cannot see a hardline republican like McCain helping the US economy with a trickle-down effect that's been tried and failed before. Someone who will save money anywhere but defense?
I am deeply concerned for Americans that more Republican irresponsible economic policy will drive the US into even deeper debt and recession, especially now that the US debt is passing the: 10,000,000,000,000$ mark.
That's a lot of 0'es and most of them are from the past eight years.
Lastly loserguy, to ask someone not to talk politics in a talkback for a purely political headline doesn't seem too clever. Something with a kitchen and heat and getting out.
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don't read it. It's that simple. If you don't like the talkback it invites, don't participate in it. It's that simple. I never watched Buffy but I never went into the Buffy talkbacks bitching because there was a talkback for it. And for people whose only escape from politics is Aint It Cool News, give us a friggin' break. I follow politics like a religion, and even I get sick of it sometimes. You know what I do when I get sick of it? I don't read or comment in political talkbacks! Fuck...
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get out of the internets you dumbfucks.
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Harold & Kumar 3: Meet The McCain. I know I'm drunk at the moment but I just watched H&K2 and that scene with W was sweeet. So yeah, vote for 4 more years of W-ness so we non-US people can laugh at more of your stoner comedies.
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"What we are seeing is the stuff of a novel, the public corruption of an American war hero. It is painful.
First, there was McCain's exploitation of a symbolic woman, an eager zealot who is so far out of her depth that it isn't funny anymore. Anyone with a heart has to hurt for how McCain has made a fool of her. Never mind the persistent cheesiness of his attack ads. And now this chasm of debt and loss and the gentleman pretends to be shocked. He was there. He turned out the lights. He sent the regulators home.
McCain seems willing to say anything, do anything, to get to the White House so he can go to war with Iran. If he needs to recline naked in a department store window, he would do that, or eat live chickens, or claim to be a reformer. Obviously you can fool a lot of people for a while and maybe he can stretch it out until mid-November. But the truth is marching on. A few true conservatives led the charge against the bailout. Good for them. But how about admitting that their cowboy economic philosophy was at fault here?"
Original story: http://www.alternet.org/story/101694/
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Might as well vote for the black guy to keep your racism card up to date and switch it up to the dummies just to see how little a dif it makes who is in office since big business runs the country.
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almost certainly not. However, i cannot for the life of me see him losing Virginia, North Carolina, and Missouri. Those states are full of traditional, Bible thumper types. when it comes down to it, i doubt they will vote for Obama regardless of whether they think he can save the economy--which, by the way, he would only New deal his way out of anyway.
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is "Tueday Brings McCain-Obama II!" Is anyone here surprised to find some kind of political commentary behind the link? Did anyone posting on this thread NOT have a choice to avoid it in favor of a dozen non-political links? Can anyone seriously make an arguemnt that the entire site is somehow absent all credibility because they put in a link? What are you guys, robot slaves? Ignore the thread, for crissakes. I'm enjoying these threads immensely. They cost you NOTHING, so pipe down and go post on the Batman III thread.
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More taxes to destroy the economy, pull out the troops to give victory to terrorists, and turn the USA into the USSR. Dangerous.
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Nicely put.GeorgieBoy - McCain is dangerous...His tax policy plan and keeping the tax cuts permanent will hurt the economy in the long run per the non-partisan Tax Policy Center, keep the troops at countries we should have never been in forever, spread us too thin, and turn the USA into a real Red Dawn. Plus the crazy woman who cannot speak in coherent sentences will be President after the old man drops dead. Dangerous.
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You are either a teenager, an idiot, or both.
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Oct 07, 2008 8:12:35 AM CDT
I don't understand the "It shouldn't be here" argument
by david cloverfield
From the ten top talkbacks there's one political one - "Nailin Paylin". You want to discuss Batman? Heroes? Dexter? Ghostbusters? Go for it! What kind of man comes to a talkback, to whine about having to read the article attached to it. This isn't a paper, it's not like the extra articles take space away from others. I just don't get it. I know Americans abandoned the John Wayne style of thinking for non-stop whining, (and looking for things to whine about) but c'mon.
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I keed, I keed.
I wish other conservatives on here would make peace with the fact that the fantasy / sci-fi / comic-book / movie industry and fanbase is overwhemingly populated by those who lean left in the political spectrum. I dare say it's the inherent nature of the beast.
Art is about creative expression. It demands one to think unconventionally, to think out side the box, and to challenge the rules of perception. (Actual, literal visual depth in art didn't come right away; It took years of development to get away from two-dimensions).
Science is all about questions. It is about challenging the unknown.
Both art and science, through their own methods, are ways for people to seek an answer--either about self or the world that surrounds self.
I think the ideals that are associated with the left tend to comport more with these groups, and thus you find the association so common.
Do conservatives have these characteristics, too? Sure they do! But I think on a list of priorities, these are not on the top.
So basically, if you're a conservative who enjoys sci-fi, fantasy, and the like, you need to need to work on growing a thicker skin. I myself have been trying to do just that, and I've found that my visits here as of late haven't been nearly as frustrating. Love the art, and tolerate the artist. -
dominated by conservatives would look like. An American Carol would be the standard, and we'd still be living in "Leave It To Beaver" land in terms of TV.
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This looks to be the fifth straight Presidential election where the war veteran loses. Just sayin'...
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getting here (ie. Australia), it'd be hilarious if after all that media attention the Republicans still got in. It'd be like "Look here - shiny thing. See the shiny thing? Isn't it a nice shiny thing." and then the best "Gotcha nose" gag since, well, ever.
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Would actually disagree that sci-fi fans are naturally left of centre due to their imagination and creativity. Lots of sci-fi/fantasy fans suffer from creative constipation of the highest order - they are attracted to highly structured, ordered, hermetically encapsulated, rule-based fantasies which they can obsess over the the nth degree, exert restrictive controls in that little world, and throw a wobbly if the rules are broken. More likely to be left of centre because they have been unfairly dumped on from a great height for a long time by people and organisations asserting the "conservative" status quo.
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a lot more films like Million Dollar Baby, Unforgiven, Letters from Iwo Jima, and Mystic River.
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I'm a liberal. . . but I've known many very creative conservatives who love sci-fi. But still, you're on to something regarding why liberals might be "answer seekers" when reading sci-fi. I see it like this: Conservatives begin with some kind of core premise, some kind of ball of morality, whether it's religion, economic policy, diplomatic stance, etc. That center is essentially a core premise that spreads outward to inform all their ideas. Scientific evicence is only useful to support what you already know and take as a given. Liberals do the opposite. They actually start on the outside of things and try to work their way to a center, using pieces of scienctific evidence to try and cobble together some central theme or moral understanding. It may explain why conservatives are more organized, more focused. It also explains why liberals can never ultimately agree on anything. After all, if your a conservative and you think there shouldn't be welfare, you're essentailly done. You're argument ends there, with no action to take except strike the laws and close the checkbook. For a liberal, they not only have to argue for the validity of welfare. . . they also have to figure out exactly HOW welfare should be implemented. It's an extra step, and you can see this in our governemnt. Ronald Regan, for example, could end his workday at 5pm and George W Bush currently has the record for vacation time. Clinton, on the other hand, busted his ass and usually got about four hours of sleep a day during his presidency. This extra step, the work of government, is what seperates conservatives and liberals beyond their philosophies. Liberals have an extra step, and that step is never supported by a core set of values. And to be frank, few liberals agree on what that extra step should be (believing in public education and welfare is one thing, but understanding how to fix it is somethign else entirely). Sadly, many liberals never consider that there IS another step to take, and tow the line out of instinct. Frankly, it's why the democrats will never be as focused as the republicans. Anyway, the point of all this is that sci-fi fantasy is attractive to liberals, not because they're more creative people, but because such works recognize the sheer complexity of modern issues, and choose to explain human nature and its problems outside of a "moral or philodophical center". It's appealing to see sci-fi tacking the big issues without falling back on some core belief system that ties it together, like religion, nationalism, jingoism, duty, some "core" of human nature, and so on. Unless you're reading Orsen Scott Card.
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Oct 07, 2008 9:08:23 AM CDT
BUSH IS THE ANTICHRIST; OBAMA IS SECOND COMING OF JESUS
by bringingsexyback
McCain is a random asshole.
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Interesting way of looking at it...
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Oct 07, 2008 9:21:58 AM CDT
Mulberry, I'm admittedly working with anecdotal evidence
by shut the fuck up donny
so I can't agree or disagree with you. But I would like to address your first point as to the "rule-based fantasy" negating the left-leaning comment with an illustration:
Hard core Star Trek fans can be notorious for sticking to Canon in regards to directives, technology, etc. That's true. However, these rules they're strivingi to adhere to revolve around and maintain a system far more idealistic (and would probably be labeled more liberal) than what's encapsulated in today's society (for example, no money, tolerance for transgender/transracial relationships, global unity, etc.)
So I think there's still merit to my claim.
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The Kablooey in Saint Looie!
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I think you hit the nail on the head and were able to elaborate the issue far better than I could. My initial goal wasn't to say conservatives weren't creative nor couldn't appreciate sci-fi, but to basically say I think there's generally an inherent framework to those who are more left-leaning that lends to them being more prolific in these areas and also more receptive to the ideas within the works created.
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I'd also like to add that in my experience, hard core fans who obsess like that tend to be apolitical. I play D&D, so I see alot of that. No one at my table cares or has any plans on even voting. I mentioned the VP dbate last Sunday, and two of them looked at me horror at the thought of missing Supernatural. . .
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Regarding Virginia, I'm not so sure that it's going to swing McCain's way. Granted, VA has been a token "red state" for decades (Old Dominion blue-blood and all that). But early polls show Obama either gaining ground or already showing an early lead in VA. And it all comes down to the Northern Virgina area (NoVA).And it's sad to think that John McCain's brother had the audacity to call NoVA "communist country". It's becoming even more clear that these people don't have a clue.
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You ARE aware that many of us visit OTHER sites besides AICN. right?
This site serves as, among other things, a place to read and put forth arguments that go through the TB meat grinder and if they're strong enough, come out a little sharper and better defined....
In other words, some of us don't come here for ANSWERS...we come here for the EXERCISE. There are some folks here with extremely valid viewpoints, irregardless of their political or religious biases, and some of them do a good job of poking holes in somebody else's weak argument. That's just good public debate....
Some of 'em, on the other hand, are just here to smear shit all over the joint. And there's room for that, too.... -
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeehah!!
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so we thought we'd give you your fix!
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Interesting post. There is a Talkbacker (who is conspicuously absent from these recent political TBs) who goes by the names BlackCrippler and RowdyRoddyStriper. (You may know him under his former names ThunderBalls, AnimalStructure, or BraneRobot.) He claims to be a conservative in the old-school traditional sense.Anyway, his take on Liberals vs. Conservatives is that Liberals try to change the world (thereby causing all its problems) while Conservatives try to preserve it. I basically had to tell him that his opinion was the equivalent to the idea that Conservatives are content to "live in a world of shit" while Liberals (in principal) seek to do something about it.It's an interesting comparison; one that I was reminded of while reading your post.
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Oct 07, 2008 9:48:15 AM CDT
Thanks Donny!! And good luck with the New KIds Tour!!
by dannyglovers_dickblood
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Oct 07, 2008 9:51:02 AM CDT
I heard a funny O'Reilly clip this morning....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
He was speaking about moveon.org like they were a terrorist organization saying that, "They are EXTREME LEFT LEANING PROGRESSIVES!!" and then he went on to say they have dropped almost 40 million dollars in an effort to get Democrats to vote!! But his tone is fucking hilarious. He sounds absolutely terrified.
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Oct 07, 2008 9:51:29 AM CDT
oh yeah....O'Reilly said, "They will stop at nothing!!!"
by dannyglovers_dickblood
Hahahahaha.
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Yes, actually BUY THEM, instead of simply ripping them off the web. Because I have a friendly neighborhood record store, staffed by helpful people that actually know something about music, and I'd hate to see them reduced to slinging hash browns at Bennigans.
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No need to watch the debate to see what Barry is going to say, I'll give it away right here:
"I'm going to cut taxes for 95 percent of Americans" (Even though my record as a Senator in no way supports this statement. In fact anyone who knows how to use Google can easily uncover the fact that I never saw a tax hike I didn't like - middle class or otherwise - while I was a Senator.)
"I'm going to cut spending" (except for the 1 trillion dollars in new spending I've proposed)
"I'm going to get government under control" (which, to me, means expanding it's powers enormously)
"The current economic crisis is McCain and Bush's fault" (even though this concept is patently absurd and is not supported by the facts whatsoever. I only blame Bush because he's the only character the majority of the dunces in this country know. The more accurate line of thinking is to blame Pelosi, Frank, Dodd, and all of the social engineering DemocRats who forced companies to lend to unqualified minorities)
"My opponents will try to distract you from the issues. (And when I say "distract" I mean raise legitimate points about my past, given the fact that the only things anyone knows about my past are wholly negative and rather frightening. My entire known biography leading up to my run for president consists of radicals and racists. Myself included. I even funded a retired terrorists attempts to radicalize schools in Chicago, but of course bringing that up is just a "distraction".)
"I love my country" (even though I've slandered the military by making public claims that they were air raiding villages and killing civilians. And even though I slandered small town americans when I was talking to a bunch of late sipping fucktard San Fransico liberals, by saying they all "cling to antipathy towards people who aren't like them". And even though there really is NO proof at all that I love anything other then myself. I couldn't make it to the senate to vote on the most important issues of our time, but I could write to memoirs to chronicle all of the things I've never accomplished.)
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Wow. I'm surprised you haven't used the Hussein tactic yet.
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The "Hussein tactic"? Oh yes, because using his middle name is racist, right?
Ok.
His middle name is irrelevant. What is irrelevant is that half of the country is falling in line for a man who's never accomplished anything positive in his life. He's the greatest fraud in American history. -
You're right, I'm mixing up someone being over-dogmatic and politically conservative. Plenty of left-wing people unthinkingly dogmatic, but there is a vast difference in underlying motivation for the dogma.
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Oct 07, 2008 10:25:34 AM CDT
Sometimes I Guess -- the greatest fraud in world history....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
.......is Jesus Christ. And people still love him.
OBAMA!! OBAMA!! OBAMA!! OBAMA!!
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Next you're gonna try and convince us McCain is all about supporting the vets right? Dude....you are a fucking comedian.
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Can you articulate why exactly Obama is "great"? I mean, cite specific examples of what the man has DONE to make him "great"?
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Ah... a conservative on this site that is criticized for speaking lunacy, when in fact all his points are valid. Just goes to show the blind devotion some people have for Obama...
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Does Fox carry this shit?
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Sometimes I Guess, next time take your own advice and do a little research before you open your ignorant urine soaked mouth. You can find all the info you need on factcheck.org-- a completely non-partisan group that checks the real facts. They in no way favor Obama.....their findings are pretty split on which side is being more honest. On this particular issue of these supposed tax increases, I say fuck off to yee.
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The McCain campaign and the Republican National Committee both claim that Obama has voted 94 times “for higher taxes.” We find that their count is padded.
After looking at every one of the 94 votes that the RNC includes in its tally, we find:
Twenty-three were for measures that would have produced no tax increase at all; they were against proposed tax cuts.
Seven of the votes were in favor of measures that would have lowered taxes for many, while raising them on a relative few, either corporations or affluent individuals.
Eleven votes the GOP is counting would have increased taxes on those making more than $1 million a year – in order to fund programs such as Head Start and school nutrition programs, or veterans’ health care.
The GOP sometimes counted two, three and even four votes on the same measure. We found their tally included a total of 17 votes on seven measures, effectively padding their total by 10.
The majority of the 94 votes – 53 of them, including some mentioned above – were on budget measures, not tax bills, and would not have resulted in any tax change. Four other votes were non-binding motions related to conference report negotiations. -
Oct 07, 2008 10:37:45 AM CDT
I helped a little old lady walk across the street...
by banzai rootskibango
...that makes me a great man.
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Just as long as it ends quickly... I'm tired of this non-stop partisan fighting and the absolute hatred that liberals have for anyone. Then again, the absolute hatred that liberals have for everyone is transcendent of election year, so never mind...
If McCain wins, awesome. We won't be subject to intense tax cuts that utterly destroy our currently feeble economy.
If Obama wins, cool. I don't want the Republican party to be led by a RINO/"Maverick" who would rather fight with the Right than with the Left. Look at the election of 1976... A moderate conservative against a radical liberal. Radical Liberal wins and commences with destroying the economy. He is voted out of office in favor of the father of modern conservatism.
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I can give a fuck what you think. I'm not going to take the time to explain my views to a twat such as yourself. Vote McCain......watch him lose, and then kindly fuck off and gargle my urine.
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CNN's latest election polling map shows McCain would have to win all seven of the current toss-up states to even have shot at winning! Obama is ahead in the polling in SIX of those seven states. If the election were held today Obama would win in an 353-185 electoral vote landslide. Although Obama can win without Florida or Ohio, if he does, it's over, on Pollster.com those states have been taken out of the toss-up catagory and are now leaning Obama.
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How's Obama going to pay for his healthcare plan if he isn't going to be raising taxes?
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Kerry was ahead in the polls too.
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The Obama plan would reduce taxes for low- and moderate-income families, but raise them significantly for high-bracket taxpayers (see Figure 2). By 2012, middle-income taxpayers would see their after-tax income rise by about 5 percent, or nearly $2,200 annually. Those in the top 1 percent would face a $19,000 average tax increase—a 1.5 percent reduction in after-tax income.McCain would lift after-tax incomes an average of about 3 percent, or $1,400 annually, for middle-income taxpayers by 2012. But, in sharp contrast to Obama, he would cut taxes for those in the top 1% by more than $125,000, raising their after-tax income an average 9.5 percent.Including interest costs, Obama’s tax plan would boost the debt by $3.5 trillion by 2018. McCain’s plan would increase the debt by $5 trillion on top of the $2.3 trillion increase that the Congressional Budget Office forecasts for the next decade.And please show me where the Republican regime from 2000-06 was "fiscally conservative". And we all know McCain loves his country so much since he didn't want to capture Bin Laden, rather invade Iraq for those imaginary WMD.
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ohh.. a site that has "fact" in its title so that makes all of it's "findings" indisputable. I see. And I'm ignorant? Interesting. Even if I were to accept the information of a website who's credibility is severely in question, there STILL is no evidence to support Obamas new found "tax cutter" persona. Not to mention, the tax hikes he cops to are patently absurd. Raise taxes on businesses making 250 grand a year? I've got news for you, a relatively successful small business will make that amount or more. So we're going to punish the ingenuity of hard working Americans by taking their earnings and using it to fund useless government programs? That sounds like a great idea. Speaking of "great", you still never answered my question. What about Obama makes him "great"? If you point to his empty rhetoric I will officially declare you a moronic tool and the conversation will be over. Please cite examples from his record. Not rhetoric.
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Per my post above, how will McCain pay for all the tax cuts since the revenue stream will be slashed?
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Oct 07, 2008 10:47:42 AM CDT
You know what lowers taxes for the Middle and Lower Classes?
by pirateemery
Unemployment.
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hate everyone is ridiculous. There's a bunch of hate on both sides of the aisle, but it appears you choose to ignore that.
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Cute links above. Why not link the skit from saturday where they blasted the democrats for this housing crisis? Specifically Barney Frank. Oh that's right, for some reason, SNL deleted the video. I wonder why?
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I live in California. I have to HIDE the fact that I'm a republican because I want people to like me. Trust me... there is plenty more hate on the left than on the right.
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Come on now, he bravely defied the entire democratic leadership in the senate when he opposed the Born Alive Infant Protection Act in the state senate. I mean it passed 98-0 at the national level. How much more mavericky can you get than to tell your entire national democratic assembly to fuck off because, dammit, that mother wanted that baby dead, so we're gonna make it dead.
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Oct 07, 2008 10:53:31 AM CDT
that's fucking bullshit that they removed that skit
by just pillow talk
I tried multiple places, but nada.There is no doubt that the Democratic party is responsible for Freddie and Fannie, if not entirely, mostly in any case.
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Can you possibly tell me that there is a politician that republicans hate as much as democrats hate Bush? If you can do that, then I can safely say you win this discussion.
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as I had actually thought something similar. I predict that a lot of conservatives/moderates will actually sit out on this election to see if: a.) The Democratic Party can deliver the goods, or b.) force the Republican party to reidentify themselves so as to present a legitimate Republican contender in 4-8 years.
Frankly, if the RNC had been smart, they would have built up Palin like they did Reagan in the 70's (i.e., get her face out there and gives some speeches, but let her mature as a politican), then let her enter the Presidential arena after the Obama administration.
But they jumped the gun and I think after this election Ms. Palin is going to burn out into obscurity.
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Currently, no.But...Carter. At least from what was spewed against him in some of these threads.
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Racist? No, more like an effort to paint him a domestic terrorist by virtue of his given name.BTW - I would like to hear why you think McCain is so great. More importantly, I would LOVE to hear why you think Palin is so great. Because as far as I'm concerned, McCain's choice of Palin as VP DISQUALIFIES his candidacy for POTUS.
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Hhhhmmmm....maybe stop spending 10 billion a month in Iraq!! Gee whiz!! I must be an economic guru to figure that out!! Maybe I should jump on board the Straight Talk Express and give 'em a hand!!
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Ok. Do the research yourself. Prove Obama's voting record on those supposed 94 Tax Hike votes is true. We can compare it to factcheck's findings and go from there......
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Obama bravely allowed William Ayers to host a party for him to introduce him to the local political scene knowing full well who he was and what he had done in his past and even knowing what his current views still were. It takes great courage to hang with a dude like that. Honestly, I would be afraid to even be in the same room with him. Obama can walk through fire though!
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I don't know where you got those numbers but you are wrong. Bush was ahead of Kerry in the polls.
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Per Palin, we shouldn't be looking back as to who's fault it is with Fannie and Freddie, or does that only pertain to the Iraq War?
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to cheat on his wife after she got into the car accident. Showed great character and courage. Or does that not tell something about the man's character as well?
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You are right, we are spending way to much of our national treasure in Iraq. We could drop that amount hugely by fighting war the way it was meant to be fought. Just carpet bomb the hell out of any area that gives us trouble. Those smart bombs are expensive, intel gathering technology is expensive, moving troops is expensive. Just blow the fuck out of anything that opposes us with good ole dumb bombs and make the fuckers beg for the right to surrender to us. Trying to win the hearts and minds however, and minimizing casualties and gaining friends is costly. Which way wold you rather play it?
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Hmm... Can you point to where I said McCain is great? Or Palin? Where did that happen?
Unlike yourself and dickblood and so many others I don't have a need to blindly follow a politician just because his rhetoric fits the loose parameters of the party that pretends to hold the banner for my chosen ideology.
McCain is certainly a better man than Obama, and his valor and character has been proven on several occasions, where as Obamas never has. That said, McCain is a fiscal socialist, a social liberal, and an absolute idiot on immigration policy. I am no McCain supporter.
As far as Palin, it's funny how all of the sudden a perceived lack of substance goes from "fresh" when it's Obama, to "dangerous" when it's Palin. Palin doesn't make me jump for joy, but she certainly has more going for her than the puppetman Obama. For Christs sake, she is a governor. Whereas Obama casted a few votes in the Senate. She was a mayor. Wheras Obama was a "community organizer" and his main goal was to radicalize schools with the help of a known terrorist (I know, I know: "GUILT BY ASSOCIATION").
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Oct 07, 2008 11:14:07 AM CDT
redshirt -- uhhhhh, you're a Republican right?
by dannyglovers_dickblood
Your post is completely in line with McCain ideology. You should be proud. Actually-- you should volunteer to be one of his spokespeople....I would love to see a national ad run with the line, "Just blow the fuck out of anything that opposes us with good ole dumb bombs and make the fuckers beg for the right to surrender to us. Trying to win the hearts and minds however, and minimizing casualties and gaining friends is costly. " GO MCCAIN!!
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Yeah, let's just pull out of Iraq without securing the country and thus damning that entire people to a decade of terrorism. I don't know about you, but even believing that this would be a valid option is a horrible thing. I pity you and your ignorance.
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You would be afraid to be in the same room as Ayers? Seriously? You must also believe you can contract the "FAG DISEASE" by shaking hands with a homosexual person, or that witches must be chased out of Washington with the power of Christ.
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You're trying to associated Danny not wanting to be in Iraq with him preferring to carpet bomb? C'mon now...
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Whoever wins, we lose.
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brought the terrorism to them.
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Oct 07, 2008 11:18:08 AM CDT
PirateEmery -- don't misquote me motherfucker
by dannyglovers_dickblood
Did you hear me say one thing about a hasty pull-out? No. Fuck off.
This war has been mismanaged from the start. McCain's ignorance proves it would be driven further into the ground under his watch. I want it to succeed. And I think it has a much better chance of that under Obama....someone who uses their brain and their fully functional arms.
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The Seahawks, really? You did see what the Giants did to them, right?
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Yes, because having a known terrorist host a party for your political ambitions is equatable to shaking hands with someone who just so happens to be gay.
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...that we should stop spending 10B a month in Iraq. I'm sorry, but that is not a misquote.
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...And that was the point of the analogy. Neither team is great, but there is nothing at all good about the Lions, where as at least the Seahawks have some bright spots in their roster.. not to mention their history as an organization.
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No I don't endorse that military approach, but modern warfare is VERY expensive, get used to it. Our military expenses in Iraq are staggeringly high, but our casualties are remarkably low. There is a correlation. Look at Normandy, basically boats just dumped as many soldiers as possible on the beaches in hopes of overrunning the enemy. 12,000 allied troops died that day. That would never be attempted in today's modern world. The tactics and technology deployed today have resulted in 4000 plus deaths. While still horrible, everybody expected that number to be way higher. Same reason why healthcare is so expensive in the US Medical technology is crazy expensive, and our legel system requires that every piece of diagnostic equipment be used to cover the doctors ass for malpractice. Medical costs would plummet if doctors didn't have to order every possible test, or if these expensive procedures just stopped altogether. But do you really want that ? Modern life is expensive for good or bad.
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But I didn't mean we should cancel the one tonight! Don't misquote me, motherfucker!
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His campaign's turn toward errrrr "character-based" message is disgraceful. This man is now officially a air quote wielding piece of shit. How low can he go?And please, I don't want to hear about Obama's campaign being "just as bad". First of all, it hasn't been, second of all it's a sad fact that he feels the ned to return fire the way he does, but it is a fact. Every time these campaigns have gone to BS character issues, it's begun with the allegedly "above that" McCain. The old fucker is shameless, it turns out.
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Oh give me a fucking break. The argument is absolutely desperate and pathetic. He did not meet with a known terrorist about anything terrorist related-- he met with a Distinguished Professor from the University of Illinois School of Education for an anti-poverty, philanthropic foundation! They discussed EDUCATION......I can guarantee Weather Underground or domestic terrorism never once came up....it was all about EDUCATION!!
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"a Distinguished Professor from the University of Illinois School of Education" Holy shit! You my friend, have drunk deep of the kool aid if that is how you describe Ayers. That's like saying Hamas isn't so bad because they do a lot of charitable work. You have to seriously rethink that post!
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Wow, a terrorist discussing education with a politician. Scary...
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Quote: "Unlike yourself and dickblood and so many others I don't have a need to blindly follow a politician just because his rhetoric fits the loose parameters of the party that pretends to hold the banner for my chosen ideology."Wow, that's one hell of an assumption. Like no one else is capable of making a reasoned decision based upon the available candidates at hand. But how noble of you to claim to stand on your proverbial own. Really. Who are you supporting again?So, you don't like McCain ("I am no McCain supporter.) and you don't like Obama. Yet you feel it worthwhile to sling mud only in Obama's direction while simultaneously claiming McCain is the "better man". Yeah, something about your motivation to post here just doesn't add up.
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It would appear that indoctrination isn't all that bad, right?
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My use of the adjective DISTINGUISHED is not my personal opinion. Thats his actual fucking title-- Distinguished Professor.
My point was not to lick Ayer's ass. I'm saying he was meeting with a college professor regarding education. To say he was meeting with a terrorist in his house paints the picture that they were discussing terrorism. This is just not true. So fuck off. -
As a Republican, should I support a Moderate Liberal or a Radical Liberal?
Lesser of two evils... -
Oct 07, 2008 11:33:50 AM CDT
PirateEmery -- you have been trained well....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
You use the word SCARY whenever possible when referring to Obama. I love those classic Republican fear tactics. Elizabeth Hasslbeck (right wing cunt on The View) used SCARY about 10 times the other day when mentioning him.
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Steve Largent and.....????
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You are clearly too ignorant to vote son.....just stay home.Moderate liberal? Are you saying McCain is liberal? Oh fuck off with that. Yeah Palin was a reeeeeeeeeal liberal choice, eh?
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...is embarrassed to admit he is a McCain man. That is sad. Obama supporters are proud of their candidate and speak openly about it. You notice how Republicans claim they don't support either? They are ashamed of their own candidate yet they will blindly vote for him. Classic Republicanism at its best.
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McCain wanted to change political affiliation to Democrat in 2002. Reeeeeeeeeal conservative!
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And as an Independent, I'm going with the smarter guy. It doesn't me I won't get fucked in the end with that choice too, but I'm willing to go in another direction considering the fuckups of the past decade.
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...more than Democrats.
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...in man-made global warming. He wants to put Al Gore in his cabinet.
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for 3 years in a row, expenditures exceeded revenues. And the only way to pay for the sports center was to raise the sales tax, thereby offsetting any positive effect of getting rid of property taxes.
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A Republican in name only that is trying to paint himself as conservative so that the base would vote for him.
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Those are desperate pleas to cater to Hillary supporters you dumb fuck. Show me a link about him wanting to change political party to Dem....
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So if an individual believes in man made global warming then they are automatically LIBERAL? Even if they are strongly social conservative on every other issue? ummmm.......ok.....moving on....
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If you're so proud of him then can you kindly articulate WHAT exactly your proud of? He's a great man because.... Because why? Because he exists? He exists therefore he is great. That's the way you foaming at the mouth liberal minions think, isn't it? I would support McCain with pride if he was a true conservative, but he's not. I already stated the reason why I can't call myself a "McCain man". When you read do you skip every other sentence or something? Put your thinking cap on for a change dickblood, Obama has done nothing, he is nothing, his words mean nothing. He won't release the names of his donors, he won't release his college thesis, he hasn't had any non partisan people from his past step up to vouch for him at all. His only sibling is living in a hut in Kenya. His only executive experience was serving on a board to politicize education policy. When ever he's caught speaking with candor he's exposed as being an arrogant, loathsome, dishonest miscreant. That is Obama. Oh man, I'm steaming with pride. What about you?
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...if you think that "She's a governor!" bullshit is an excuse for her ignorance on national/international issues, you're a fool. She's a farce; one that McCain should be ashamed of for putting her and America through this pathetic display of political maneuvers. I have lost so much respect for the man over the past two months that it's truly sad.And yes, Obama was a community organizer. It's one of the more noble endeavors a citizen can undertake. (Funny how his detractors use it as some sort of punchline while simultaneously calling for people to enter public service...) As such, I guarantee you that he has a more aware sense of what is going on in this country than Little Miss Pop-tart. But let us not forget the fact that the man has also run an incredible grass-roots campaign that has inspired people (young and old) to get involved in the political process and raise their voice on where they want this country to go. He has also been incredibly prescient when it comes to the main issues our country faces today. Hardly a puppetman, SIG. But if you're looking for one of those, I suggest you look no further than Palin. They won't even allow her to speak outside of her now race-baiting rallies...
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Pity about the Iraqis who actually live in Iraq who have been killed in their tens to hundreds of thousands (depending on which figure you believe) since this current war started. That's not even including those who've died because of the breakdown of the infrastructure - that we broke.
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Oct 07, 2008 11:49:25 AM CDT
"His only sibling is living in a hut in Kenya.'
by dannyglovers_dickblood
Wait a minute....what is wrong with this? If it is someone's prerogative to live in a hunt, whats the problem? Is this a racist comment?
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Since Palin's hilarious interview streak will probably be cut off by her handlers - I'd be surprised if she's interviewed by anyone not working for Fox from here on in - McCain has admirably stepped in with some funny shit of his own. I always took his grumpy old man with a temper rep as exaggerated, but he's been playing that role to very funny effect of late. The Des Moines register video was classic. On the other hand his aforementioned liberal use of air quotes helps give a bitchy high school girl sheen to the whole affair. Either way, he's been very good and I hope tonight he puts on a better display than he did in the last debate, when I think all he did was speak with his back as much to Obama as possible, sneer a few times and i think roll his eyes once ...
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As an Independent, I can only tell you to make the most well-informed decision you can. Sometimes, you just have to hold your nose and jump.
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I really don't feel like typing out an essay about why I like Obama. The fact is...I do. You are a hardcore Conservative......McCain/Palin is not Conservative enough for you....therefore you are pretty much equal to a used heroine needle laying in a gutter in my eyes. You are worthless trash. I can give a shit what you think of my opinion, or of Obama. Continue parading around claiming you're no McCain Man while trying your hardest to bring down Obama on the charge that he is a terrorist. You're a joke. Your entire way of thinking is a joke. Your man will lose the election by a large margin and I'll be smiling come November 5th. Now FUCK OFF.
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It's not so much what he has done but what he stands for and what he represents, which is not you or your fucking party or it's fucking backwards, consistently disproven and damaging ideas.
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Nice job ignoring all of my other points. And yes, there is something wrong with the brother of one of the most powerful men in America living in a hut and raking in 12 bucks a year. So Obama cares so much about the middle class.. yet his own blood he lets starve in a mud hut? Isn't there something wrong with this picture? Wouldn't a compassionate man, with the wealth Obama has, go to Kenya and bring this man out of absolute poverty? Once again, Obamas rhetoric and his actions in no way match up. Obama is a fraud. How many more times does it need to be proven? Think for yourself for a change dickblood, you'll be surprised what sort of things might pop into your head.
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It's a well known story in politics. Do a wiki search, a google search... You'll sense grumblings on it. This is a type of thing that doesn't cater to Hillary votes, but dissuades diehard conservatives. McCain has been pushing this under the rug ever since he started running for President under the Republican banner (rather than running for VP under the Democrat banner in 2004).
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/24/us/politics/24mccain.html?n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/People/D/Daschle,%20Tom
http://www.slate.com/id/2064459/
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Nice bit of inane generalizations. You are a good little Obamabot.
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Or are they just racist. No rational, informed person with an income less than $300k a year could possibly support McPalin. This isn't politics. It's basic competence.
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I realize Obama is gaining in Virginia and that Northern Virginia is essentially yuppie democrat country. i expect that part of the commonwealth to go for Obama overwhelmingly. The area guaranteed victory for Mark Warner, Tim Kaine, and Jim Webb. Bit Virginia is like a lot of the South--it likes local Democrats and national Republicans. so i still cannot see why Virginia will ultimately go obama's way.
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Senator Barack Obama has a lot of siblings. One of them is running some kind of business in China. Yes, it's a half-brother (most if not all of them are step siblings) but that should still count.
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If the guy is content with his life and doesn't want any hand-outs....what the fuck are you gonna do? Have secret service abduct him and whisk him to Chicago? You can't forcefully change someone's way of life. If they don't want to change, they won't. But again-- typical Republican ideology.....you guys are good at infringing on the lives of others.
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It is true he lives in a hut in kenya in a slum. CNN went to find and interview him he said that he met Obama a few years ago when he came looking for his father. A woman came up during cnn's interview asking for Obama to help them and his brother. We are supposed to trust this guy to fix the country when he is not even willing to help his own brother. Here is the link if anyone cares to watch it.
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I gotta agree with the pinko lefties on this one, Sometimes I Guess...
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I didn't ignore you. I made it very clear I think you are shit and I don't wish to explain myself to a scumbag such as yourself. How much more clear can I make it? I could write a 10 page fucking essay on why I like Obama....but I'm at work so......
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That's interesting.....further displays what a slimy flip-flop the old buzzard is. He is desperate for support no matter which direction it comes from....that explains Lieberman's balls resting comfortable in his throat presently.
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Whereas McCain adopted a girl needing medical attention after he visited her orphanage in Bangladesh.
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John McCain is giving sweet fellatio to Joe Lieberman.
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I'm not denying its true. I know it is.....the hut thing I mean. I just thought Sometimes' choice of words was sort of bizarre. He makes it sound like Obama is a bad person because he has a relative that lives in a hut in Africa.
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Good points. And while it's too early tell, I think it's because of of guys like Kaine and Webb that VA might go Obama's way. They are well liked and have both endorsed Obama.
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It does not sound like Obama ever offered to help. I seriously doubt he would turn the help down. Obama's wife makes close to half a mil a year thanks to Obama funneling hundreds of millions of tax payer dollars to the hospital where she works. oddly she got a nice promotion and raise after this occured. She now makes 5 times what she did before the ear marks Obama snagged for her hospital. You would think he would have enough money to help his brother out with all this extra cake he snagged for michelle. A few thousand dollars would make a huge difference in africa and Obama would never miss it.
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You argue like a typical internet liberal. Full of insults and slurs while behind your keyboard. You may think it's a good substitute for an intelligent argument, but the rest of us see you for the moron you are. you continue to support my thesis that it takes a truly unhinged idiot to support a sack of garbage like Barry Obama. Thank you for legitimizing my generalities. Now go back to work, tough guy. You've sufficiently impressed us all with your big talk and juvenile insults. The fact is you only support Obama because you're a liberal. That's it. That's the reason. I know ignorance is bliss, but how does unmitigated stupidity feel?
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"John McCain is giving sweet fellatio to Joe Lieberman."I'm from CT and I hate Lieberman.
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Thats gonna be the new headline OBAMA REFUSES TO HELP BROTHER IN NEED!!
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First off PirateEmery, the left isn't so much in hate mode as they are in resentment mode. And you know what, even if the left is full of nothing but hate and vitriol right now, that's 100% understandable after what the right has done to our country these past 8 years.If someone of the right can't grasp the plight of middle class families dealing with layoffs, massively inflated grocery costs, gas that has more than tripled under Bush, our national reputation in the toilet and unspeakable debt being passed off to our children, if that shitstorm of sewage doesn't anger those on the right and force them to admit all the hatred is justified, then those numbskulls need to be dragged to the part of the Earth that's flat, shoved into a bag of ravenous coyotes and drop kicked over the side.And to every one of those mangy, flea-ridden, sleeps-with-their-sister, needs to have their arsehole sewn up and fed Mexican food jerkoffs that calls Obama a terrorist through association, they need to have their eyes gouged out and pushed off the curb into rush hour traffic. But let DannyGlovers have his way with Elizabeth Hasselbeck first. Terrorists? Let me tell you mofos who the real terrorists are. All the people at the top of companies such as Lehmann Brothers, Fannie Mae, Global Crossing, Merill Lynch, Enron, Halliburton, Worldcom, Tyco, AIG, Harken and Bear Stearns are terrorists. These immoral, greedy bastards have destroyed people's livelihood and obliterated their retirement savings. And any politician who associates themselves with these scumbags and knowingly lets it slide (and they all do, they know their "friends" are scum of the earth) is a terrorist as well. And that means just about every Democrat and Republican in Washington. So McCain is no less a terrorist than Obama.Nobody in Washington is clean so to sling mud is hypocritical. All politicians are worthless.And for that Palin c*nt to attack Obama for his terrorist ties when her husband belonged to a party bent on the succession of Alaska (that's treason round these parts you know) is completely disingenuous.
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Because you know exactly what has transpired between the two of them?I guess the whole community organizer thing doesn't count towards helping people?
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whereas McCain constantly cheated on his first wife in the 70's and finally divorced her to marry an heiress while his first wife was in the hospital recovering from injuries from a car acident. Now that's fucking classy. And "honorable". In that special McCain definition of the word which I guess means "opportunistic scumbag."
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Ok thats fine. I'm a moron behind a keyboard. Good thing I'm not running for office. Watch the gap in the polls widen and think of me.....okay? Loser.
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I hate that bitch....but holy shit is that ass FINE!!
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You're talking about how much the Obama's make? Take a look at the McCains please and how much she's worth (yes, I realize there's a prenup) and all the properties they own.
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Are you happy with the job that Bush has done and where the country is at this point in time?
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Oct 07, 2008 12:16:00 PM CDT
pillow....I can tell you what the cunts will say....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
.....they will blame it on a Democratic majority in Congress recently....watch.
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the community organizer thing had a lot to do with working with Acorn and bill Ayres, A radical orginazation and a terrorist. Acorn has a big part in the current housing crisis since they fought for loans to people who could not afford them. they used thug tactics and intimidation even going to bankers homes. obama also distributed hundreds of millions raised by ayres to the community to radicalize young people. The money was disguised as education money but yet no improvement at all in education occurred over these years. yes he helped plenty as a community organizer.
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all right, McCain served on the board of the U.S. Council for World Freedom. I'll just quote from Meet the Press here:
"It was chaired by a guy named John Singlaub who wound up involved in the Iran Contra scandal. It was an ultra conservative right-wing group.
"The Anti-Defamation League, in 1981 when McCain was on the board, said this about this organization. It was affiliated with the World Anti-Communist League, the parent organization which ADL said had increasingly become a gathering place, a forum, a point of contact for extremists, racist and anti-Semites."
And all the connections to Sarah Palin and the seccionist group in AK, etc.
But you know what? THIS IS JUST A DISTRACTING GAME!
This election is about IDEAS, not what happened when Obama was 8 years old or what board McCain served on 25 years ago.
You Repubs out there: defend McCain's ideas without being a pit bull; what are his ideas on the economy? health care?
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Put up your sources.
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Get over their party and their colour and really study what their policies are. They are EXACTLY the same that is because are financed by the SAME people. Has that sunk in? Wake the fuck up. Obama is marginally less of an asshole than Mccain but they are both puppets for the real people who call the shots: the people who own the Federal Reserve. The war will carry on if Obama gets in, more people will die needlessly, he won't shut down the Federal Reserve and more of your rights will be slowly whittled away because he will assassinated by those very same people if he doesn't. That is all, now go back to worrying about who the next Batman villain will be.
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Unless its about a movie or something... quit trying to be RealClearPolitics... stick with the cool news. Oh, darn Michael Bay!
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...prior to the 2006 Democrat Controlled Congress destroying our economy because they refused to do anything about the blossoming mortgage crisis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs
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This is what happens when you post without refreshing the page. Damn you, Dickblood, damn you to heeeeeeeeellllllllllllll.
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hahahaha......send me my fucking Seagal Dvds now!!
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i have no problem with how much you make if you earn it but she did not. Hundreds of millions of our money was spent to get her those fat raises and that is BS. MCCain has never taken one cent of ear marks for arizona but Obama has funneled hundreds of millions to IL in his very short time as A senator and a lot of it was funneled there to help himself. this election year Obama suddenly saw the light and stopped asking for ear marks. please this is just because of the election not any true change of heart.
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If this is all the relationship amounts to, it's such a straw-grab I can hardly believe it.http://tinyurl.com/4b8yclSo they live in the same neighborhood and served on the board of a school reform initiative. And Obama gave Ayers' book a good review! Oh noooooooooo!There doesn't appear to be any relationship there to speak of, or anything to regret on Obama's part - except appearing at the political function at Ayers house. But at worst that's about it.
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"The fact is you only support Obama because you're a liberal. That's it. That's the reason. I know ignorance is bliss, but how does unmitigated stupidity feel?"Hey moron, I hate to burst your bubble of douchebaggery but that applies more to the McCain camp than anyone. Back during the primaries when the right was happy to have guys like Rudy and Huckabee in the race, there were countless Republicans who said they'd rather vote for a potted plant than McCain, but now that he's their only choice, their allegiance has become more blind than a mole colony.Obama has had consistent supporters from the get go. Not that I ever understood their fervor.
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Can't get yall a link as I'm on the Palm but suffice to say it'd be nice if McCain offered one of his mansions for them to stay in. As for Sometimes I Guess ... it's better to be an Internet bully than an Internet pussy. Toughen up sister.
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Well, it appears I just stepped into one giant bear trap.
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Can't get yall a link as I'm on the Blackberry but suffice to say it'd be nice if McCain offered one of his mansions for them to stay in. As for Sometimes I Guess ... it's better to be an Internet bully than an Internet pussy. Toughen up sister.
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Can't get yall a link as I'm on the Blackberry but suffice to say it'd be nice if McCain offered one of his mansions for them to stay in. As for Sometimes I Guess ... it's better to be an Internet bully than an Internet pussy. Toughen up sister.
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"The Good News: Here's a $5000.00 tax credit for health insurance. The Bad News: Health insuracne costs just went up $12,000."
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Heh...
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triple post so embarassing
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It is confirmed they met 12 times......one a month for a year I believe. It was a low income Education board of six people. And Ayers donated $200 to Obama's campaign. So thats where the Republican notion that Ayers, "Financed Obama's start in politics comes from....." Yeeeehah!! GO McCAIN!! Again-- desperate fucking measures man....its pathetic. Lets talk Iran/Contra, lets talking Keating 5.......
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The Left is known for shaking thing up for causes. They are the bleeding hearts. Studies have shown however that the "cold" Conservatives are the ones who actually give more. In other words, don't expect a thing from Obama other than talk.Speaking of talk:http://tinyurl.com/4pfj3n
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Under Obama's plan the corporate tax rate will still be lower than it was when your father of fiscal conservatism Ronald Reagan was in office.
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http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=37026
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/obama_earmark_wife/2008/03/14/80393.html
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...the loudest arguments here are utterly interchangeable. Replace "liberal" with "conservative", replace "D" with "R", replace [token politician on the right] with [token politician on the left], replace talks of "socialism" with "fascism" and so on ad freakin infinitum. seriously...it all sounds the exact same. Liberals spew hate? Absolutely; so what else is new? Conservatives don't? Well that's complete bullshit now isn't it? Hmm, odd how in a Palin rally in Florida when she brings up Obama and someone shouts "Terrorist!" and then when she expresses her opinion of him further another guy in the crowd yells out "Kill him!" (which may actually require an SS investigation of the event by fiat [no, not of palin herself], believe it or not). so yes, everybody is filled with hate and insult over this false-bullshit idiot tennis matches we call national elections. But please refrain from the notion that you're party is simply divine and immune to the mud-slinging bullshit and the lies. Or somehow "not as" dirty as the other guy. Or somehow, "Well, he did it too!" makes it ok. It's obviously bullshit and patently offensive to anyone who has the capacity to think beyond birdbath depths.The party that never slings shit or lies doesn't last a week (presumably). The politician that doesn't go even a little negative doesn't win. The system is fucked, we all know it...but yet we like to pretend that its all YOUR fault and that MY team is pure, honorable, not sleezy, unbiased, always honest, never personal, always on issues and policy, blah blah blah.I have my leanings but I feel I must work from a personal sense of objectivity...yes 'personal sense of objectivity' is an oxy-moron but I feel this is critical when discussing issues. I know there is no such thing as pure human objectivity when it comes to politics but that doesn't mean we cannot try; even if nothing else, the *attempt* to remain objective will allow us to see past our own passions and scrutinize our views instead of marching the party line. Any introspection in partisan politics is a good thing, no? Even Bill Maher, whom quite a few people find reasons to hate without consideration due to his politics, said (paraphrased), "You cannot start with hating Bush...you might end up there but you can't start there." and for the fact that I've, in the past, gone off and ran with what I considered a political zinger only to be made to look quite the dumbass when I found out it was an exaggeration or simply inaccurate. Maybe you have too and acknowledged it or simply overlooked it...but truth transcends us all. We do not own the truth. we want to kill the truth by ignoring it or mincing it into unrecognizable forms. All human deceits, all old news and all of it, always predictable.
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Bullshit.
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You forgot to mention McCain wants to tax your employer-provided health care benefits. Tax my health care benefits?!! What?! Is that very Republican of you John? -
I know it is.
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It's called the Iraq War. Any politician on either side of the aisle who points fingers at pork spending yet voted for that money pit needs to STFU now. No earmark in history is going to cost the taxpayer what that monstrosity will when all is said and done.
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that is complete bull. rates were hi when reagan took office because of carter but were low when he left office. Stop drinking the cool aid and beleiving believing all the rhetoric.
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You're addressing this to the choir, why?
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Even saying they met 12 times somewhat overstates the relationship. Sounds to me as if they only met through this Annenberg Challenge thingermebob (which if I understand correctly was funded in large part by conservatives). Unless the RNC page leaves out some one-on-one terrorist training, or I just missed it.
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I was really aiming it at the Libs.
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Oct 07, 2008 12:32:19 PM CDT
Krigan -- dude when you say the Kool-Aide bit....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
.....I want to punch a hole in your fucking throat. It is extremely condescending and childish. If you used a different choice of words I would read more of your posts....
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Mccain is not taxing any health benefits that is BS spewed by the Obama campaign. Mccain wants to take the credit away from the employer and hand it directly to employeee and let you decide how to spend it. he is just cutting out the middle man.
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fucking debates, i waited a writters strike and all summer..now i just wanna watch my showsand basball playoffs start up too, WTF way to ruin my life network tv
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Ah, ok... Aim away!
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"Krigan--dude when you say the Kool-Aide bit....I want to punch a hole in your fucking throat. It is extremely condescending and childish."ROFLIrony...God's sense of humor showing through.
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Yeah...its a complete joke for them to keep going with this. Thats what I was saying earlier-- he is a fucking Distinguished Professor of Education. He may have been an asshole in the past.....but they were meeting about....you guessed it-- EDUCATION!! They're trying to make it sound like he is some rogue on the run that met with Obama secretly in some back alley and no one knows what was discussed. Its a joke.
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You know how tasty Kool-aid is? I wouldn't take it as an insult...
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(oh fuck it...you catch my drift.)
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A lot of you guys are just firing rhetoric back and forth. All poloticians lie and campaigns especially lie. Here is a site that is fair and unbiased and will point out the lies told on both sides.
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I admit it-- that is funny of me to say because I can be quite a dick. But come on-- fuck that phrase is annoying. And it suddenly popped up all over the fucking place. Its like a political blog catchphrase at the moment.....people think it adds validity to their argument. I would rather someone just say, "QUIT BEING A DUMB FUCK...."
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Phrases I never want to read again:"Drink the Kool-Aide""Made me throw up in my mouth a little..." God I hate that one.
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Seriously. He once was Smeagol, but the pursuit of the presidency has transformed him for the worse. Someone fucking try denying this, I'll have a hissy fit right here in my apartment.
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Good of you to point out factcheck. If you are familiar with the site then you are familiar with the biggest fuckie lie of all-- Palin claiming Obama voted to raise taxes 94 times. Look it up!
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...man I used to love those Kool-Aid commercials back in the day with the giant mutant *walking* Kool-Aid glass pitcher bashing through brick walls, etc (it was kind of an ongoing 'gimick' what he would smash thru on the next commercial). I also loved how he had this great basso-huge-o gutteral, raspy voice and only spoke two words...two words of sheer poetry to everyone in the universe, everywhere:OH YEAH!!!!!
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Iraq War was completely and utterly unnecessary, along with the little fact that they lied as to the reason why we even went there.It was not thought out all the way through, hence the assorted fuckups. Like you mentioned, the national debt has risen astronomically during his terms.Tax cuts do not help the economy longterm.Hurrican Katrina response. Waterboarding and surveillence, which has been deemed by many to be unconstitutional. No Child Left Behind is despised by education systems.Failure to make any progress with social securityA wee bit slow on the environmental front to say the least.Lack of a foreign policy that worked with our allies.None of these bothered you under his administration? I'm not saying he's directly responsible for everything, but it did occur under his watch. Just like the current credit fiasco. It may have started under the Democratic party, but the Republicans continued to turn a blind eye towards it.
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Stop spewing rhetoric and get some actual facts and I won't ask you to stop drinking the ckool aide. BTw everytime i hear someone like you spew this rhetoric i want to bitch slap you. Stop believing everything you hear and take five mins to check it out. both sides slant, spin and lie.
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I don't think either canidate has answered this question: "No matter where you stand on the war, what are your feelings on no-bid contracts including Haliburton and Blackwater, which is essentially a mercenary operation with absolutely no oversight?" Even if you're a republican and even if you're for the war, you've got to admit that we haven't been exactly frugal over there. An embassy larger than Vatican City? No body armor but there's Pizza Huts and Taco Bells in the Green zone that are actually making money off of our already badly paid soldiers? The least those corporate bastards could do is give our soldiers some free taco supremes.
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Rhetoric like the 94 tax increases? Take your own advice and pull it up on factcheck motherfucker. Copy and paste what you find here and we'll see who is spewing bullshit rhetoric. Silly ass motherfucker.
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I have a response to all those... but it'll have to wait until I get back from my lecture at 11.
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for no House or Fringe tonight.
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Oct 07, 2008 12:45:44 PM CDT
so besides Pirate, how do all the other republicans
by just pillow talk
think that Bush has done?
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You may be able to twist and spin nearly all those points....but please don't even fuck with NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND. It is a disgrace. You will only make yourself look foolish by defending that broken, shit program.
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awright.
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He voted to raise taxes a lot. the talking points handed to her likely were stretching the facts including state senate numbers and anything that remotely affects a hike in taxes. Again please listen to me when i say BOTH SIDES LIE! I am sure you are familiar with the multitude of lies Biden told also he beat her in the lie game by quite a bit even claiming Mccain voted for the tax hikes with Obama.
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Oct 07, 2008 12:48:52 PM CDT
Phrases nobody should ever be forced to read again
by hawaiian organ donor
"Best picture winner Crash""Paris Hilton is looking for a new BFF""Screenplay by Diablo Cody""The new Escalade hybrid""Superbowl champion Dallas Cowboys""M. Night's next project"
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And I don't think either will answer that question. Ever. The civilian army makes it easier to wage wars now without instituting a draft.
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Oct 07, 2008 12:51:36 PM CDT
Krigan -- okay you little rat fuck...I'll do it for you...
by dannyglovers_dickblood
You drop the link for factcheck.org and tell everyone to get past the rhetoric and find the truth, yet you refuse to copy and paste the info available concerning the 94 tax increases Palin talked about?! Why? Afraid of what you might find? Slimy ass piece of shit. I'll do it for you....here it is....
The McCain campaign and the Republican National Committee both claim that Obama has voted 94 times “for higher taxes.” We find that their count is padded.
After looking at every one of the 94 votes that the RNC includes in its tally, we find:
Twenty-three were for measures that would have produced no tax increase at all; they were against proposed tax cuts.
Seven of the votes were in favor of measures that would have lowered taxes for many, while raising them on a relative few, either corporations or affluent individuals.
Eleven votes the GOP is counting would have increased taxes on those making more than $1 million a year – in order to fund programs such as Head Start and school nutrition programs, or veterans’ health care.
The GOP sometimes counted two, three and even four votes on the same measure. We found their tally included a total of 17 votes on seven measures, effectively padding their total by 10.
The majority of the 94 votes – 53 of them, including some mentioned above – were on budget measures, not tax bills, and would not have resulted in any tax change. Four other votes were non-binding motions related to conference report negotiations. -
That may be true, but if you follow that to it's logical conclusion, eventually we'll have a 100% private army. Because why make $30k when you can make $100k, AND have full body armor and state of the art armored vehicles to boot. And they will still be accountable to no one. That part scares the shit out of me.
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Yes, both sides lie...but that does not mean you can just pick when each side is lying or telling the truth to suit your point. Nor does it mean everything 'each side' says is a lie or the truth. Just because it's *your party* does not mean it doesn't ever lie. Just because it's "their" party does not mean everything they say is a lie. Just because "your" party has lied, doesn't mean it always lies. Just because "their" party lied, doesn't mean they always lie. Just because you told the truth today doesn't mean you won't lie tomorrow.You guys know this...2nd graders know this (albeit not in a political context) but yet we pretend it isn't true.
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"I've got a wide stance."
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Right you are, and they've already had the problem when things have gone to shit involving Blackwater. If I'm not mistaken, they evacuated some of those members who were accused of killing civilians, though I have to double check that so don't hold me to it.
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http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Story?id=4941052&page=1
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No, you're right. They got those guys out of there and there's been no criminal investigation. I'm pretty sure that they didn't even get fired. Scary scary scary shit, man.
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That is why i posted a place for you to go check out the lies before spreading them.
factcheck.org -
* Palin mistakenly claimed that troop levels in Iraq had returned to “pre-surge” levels. Levels are gradually coming down but current plans would have levels higher than pre-surge numbers through early next year, at least.
* Palin repeated a false claim that Obama once voted in favor of higher taxes on “families” making as little as $42,000 a year. He did not. The budget bill in question called for an increase only on singles making that amount, but a family of four would not have been affected unless they made at least $90,000 a year.
* Biden wrongly claimed that McCain “voted the exact same way” as Obama on the budget bill that contained an increase on singles making as little as $42,000 a year. McCain voted against it. Biden was referring to an amendment that didn't address taxes at that income level.
* Palin claimed McCain’s health care plan would be “budget neutral,” costing the government nothing. Independent budget experts estimate McCain's plan would cost tens of billions each year, though details are too fuzzy to allow for exact estimates.
* Biden wrongly claimed that McCain had said "he wouldn't even sit down" with the government of Spain. Actually, McCain didn't reject a meeting, but simply refused to commit himself one way or the other during an interview.
* Palin wrongly claimed that “millions of small businesses” would see tax increases under Obama’s tax proposals. At most, several hundred thousand business owners would see increases. -
* The Federal Reserve, which slashed interest rates after the dot-com bubble burst, making credit cheap.
* Home buyers, who took advantage of easy credit to bid up the prices of homes excessively.
* Congress, which continues to support a mortgage tax deduction that gives consumers a tax incentive to buy more expensive houses.
* Real estate agents, most of whom work for the sellers rather than the buyers and who earned higher commissions from selling more expensive homes.
* The Clinton administration, which pushed for less stringent credit and downpayment requirements for working- and middle-class families.
* Mortgage brokers, who offered less-credit-worthy home buyers subprime, adjustable rate loans with low initial payments, but exploding interest rates.
* Former Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan, who in 2004, near the peak of the housing bubble, encouraged Americans to take out adjustable rate mortgages.
* Wall Street firms, who paid too little attention to the quality of the risky loans that they bundled into Mortgage Backed Securities (MBS), and issued bonds using those securities as collateral.
* The Bush administration, which failed to provide needed government oversight of the increasingly dicey mortgage-backed securities market.
* An obscure accounting rule called mark-to-market, which can have the paradoxical result of making assets be worth less on paper than they are in reality during times of panic.
* Collective delusion, or a belief on the part of all parties that home prices would keep rising forever, no matter how high or how fast they had already gone up.
The U.S. economy is enormously complicated. Screwing it up takes a great deal of cooperation. Claiming that a single piece of legislation was responsible for (or could have averted) the crisis is just political grandstanding. We have no advice to offer on how best to solve the financial crisis. But these sorts of partisan caricatures can only make the task more difficult. -
An Obama-Biden radio ad hammers McCain for being opposed to stem cell research. Not true. Meanwhile two spots from the McCain-Palin campaign, together with the Republican National Committee, describe McCain's support for the research; they're largely accurate.
By saying that "John McCain has stood in the way – he's opposed stem cell research," the Obama ad seriously misstates the view that McCain has held on this issue since 2001, when he began backing embryonic stem cell research, a position that was out of step with that of many of his fellow Republicans.
The McCain/RNC ads would probably lead listeners to believe that Palin shares McCain's views on this topic. That's not true. But we find that to be a minor flaw compared with the misrepresentation in Obama's ad. -
Oct 07, 2008 1:08:32 PM CDT
factcheck.org on McCain distorting Obama on Afghanistan
by just pillow talk
A McCain-Palin ad calls Obama "dishonorable," while distorting his words and votes on troop funding.
* It accuses him of saying "our troops in Afghanistan" are just bombing villages and killing civilians. What Obama said, in context, was a criticism of U.S. military strategy, and not of American troops.
* It accuses Obama and "Congressional liberals" of voting repeatedly to cut off funding for troops, "increasing the risk on their lives." In fact, the votes were for bringing the troops home, cutting off funding only if the president failed to comply. -
Oct 07, 2008 1:11:34 PM CDT
I agree. You have to be off your rocker to support McPalin...
by versatol
Seriously. If you are willling to even RISK putting the country in the hands of Palin, you are effing insane and have no concern for our nation's future. Sure, let's put a woman in charge of the free world who doesn't read, thinks dinosaurs existed 5,000 years ago, knows absolutely nothing about middle eastern affairs, and just got her first passport after the senior citizen who is one geriatric jump away from waving his cane at non-existent kids on his lawn gets Alzheimer's and accidentally hits the nuclear launch button. Let's have common sense America. See where stupid voting got us the last 8 years? You don't have to love Obama but the better choice is as clear as the bedroom window Sarah Palin looks out of to keep an eye on Russia. [shudder] what a dumb bitch
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* Obama said McCain adviser Henry Kissinger backs talks with Iran “without preconditions,” but McCain disputed that. In fact, Kissinger did recently call for “high level” talks with Iran starting at the secretary of state level and said, “I do not believe that we can make conditions.” After the debate the McCain campaign issued a statement quoting Kissinger as saying he didn’t favor presidential talks with Iran.
* Obama denied voting for a bill that called for increased taxes on “people” making as little as $42,000 a year, as McCain accused him of doing. McCain was right, though only for single taxpayers. A married couple would have had to make $83,000 to be affected by the vote, and anyway no such increase is in Obama’s tax plan.
* McCain and Obama contradicted each other on what Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Admiral Mike Mullen said about troop withdrawals. Mullen said a time line for withdrawal could be “very dangerous” but was not talking specifically about “Obama’s plan,” as McCain maintained.
* McCain tripped up on one of his signature issues – special appropriation “earmarks.” He said they had “tripled in the last five years,” when in fact they have decreased sharply.
* Obama claimed Iraq “has” a $79 billion surplus. It once was projected to be as high as that. It’s now down to less than $60 billion.
* McCain repeated his overstated claim that the U.S. pays $700 billion a year for oil to hostile nations. Imports are running at about $536 billion this year, and a third of it comes from Canada, Mexico and the U.K.
* Obama said 95 percent of “the American people” would see a tax cut under his proposal. The actual figure is 81 percent of households.
* Obama mischaracterized an aspect of McCain’s health care plan, saying “employers” would be taxed on the value of health benefits provided to workers. Employers wouldn’t, but the workers would. McCain also would grant workers up to a $5,000 tax credit per family to cover health insurance.
* McCain misrepresented Obama's plan by claiming he'd be "handing the health care system over to the federal government." Obama would expand some government programs but would allow people to keep their current plans or chose from private ones, as well.
* McCain claimed Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower had drafted a letter of resignation from the Army to be sent in case the 1944 D-Day landing at Normandy turned out to be a failure. Ike prepared a letter taking responsibility, but he didn’t mention resigning.
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..Because many of you White voters will probably go to that voting booth and get scared and pull the lever for the old man. Americans are weak, fat and lazy. The glory years are behind and now the Empire will fall. So welcome your new Overlord and enjoy the next four years living in fear as McCain smacks down the pain on your asses. Thus falls the Empire.
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"let's put a woman in charge of the free world...." and "dumb bitch"....I'm assuming you don't have anything against a female running the country??? Valid concerns certainly, but not because she's a woman.
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I'd respond, but gosh darn it, I'm too tired. Oh look, a donut!
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The funniest thing about that is he was actually meaning that they need MORE troops in Afghanistan. Ground troops....so they can do more precise missions on the ground an less air raids with high risk of collateral damage and civilian deaths. So what say all the "Obama wants to cut the military" crowd? He wants to add a shitload of troops to the ground in Afghanistan. Get it fucking straight. -
Awwwww, sawwy the democratic process has forced you to live in the real world instead of indulging in escapism... you know, for a couple of days...
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Evil spelled backwards is live. Meaning everything that is 'live' is evil...music, fishing bait, speeches, people, nude girls, circus freaks, seals and puppies...all evil. ALL evil! And they all cause cancer too! Nyah nyah nyah!
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Glad to see you are making use of factcheck.org you just might learn something. Just make sure you read everything not just what helps your candidate.
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Maine lobsters, sex acts in Tijuana, I could think of others but ive got to see a man about a horse.
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"Whereas McCain adopted a girl needing medical attention after he visited her orphanage in Bangladesh."
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...far far better than Wiki (duh)...but also evil: people who appear "in person"...uh-huh, err yes...right...i'm sure satan not's at all involved in that!
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Shut the fuck up you hypocritical piece of shit. You name drop factcheck.org, trying to appear all neutral and truth seeking and shit, and when I call you out-- you refuse to post a quote from the very site you endorse.
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COMPARED TO MY HATRED OF THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT."
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and this nation is as divided as ever. So sad.
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http://www.thegreatschlep.com/site/index.html
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McCain link to private group in Iran-Contra case
By Pete Yost / Associated Press
WASHINGTON — John McCain's campaign is criticizing Barack Obama for his ties to a former radical who engaged in violent acts four decades ago, but McCain himself was closely connected to a private group that supplied aid to rebels trying to overthrow the leftist government of Nicaragua during the Iran-Contra affair.
The U.S. Council for World Freedom was part of an international organization linked to former Nazi collaborators and ultra-right-wing death squads in Central America. The group was dedicated to stamping out communism around the globe.
The council's founder, retired Army Maj. Gen. John Singlaub, said McCain became associated with the organization in the early 1980s as McCain was launching his political career in Arizona. Singlaub said McCain was a supporter but not an active member in the group.
"McCain was a new guy on the block learning the ropes," Singlaub told The Associated Press in an interview. "I think I met him in the Washington area when he was just a new congressman. We had McCain on the board to make him feel like he wasn't left out. It looks good to have names on a letterhead who are well-known and appreciated.
"I don't recall talking to McCain at all on the work of the group," Singlaub said.
The renewed attention over McCain's association with Singlaub's group comes as McCain's Republican presidential campaign steps up criticism over Obama's dealings with William Ayers, a college professor who co-founded the Weather Underground and years later worked on education reform in Chicago alongside Obama. Ayers held a meet-the-candidate event at his home when Obama first ran for public office in the mid-1990s.
Obama was roughly 8 years old when Ayers, now at the University of Illinois at Chicago, was working with the Weather Underground, which took responsibility for bombings that included nonfatal blasts at the Pentagon and U.S. Capitol. McCain's vice presidential nominee, Sarah Palin, has said that Obama "pals around with terrorists."
In McCain's case, Singlaub knew McCain's father, a Navy admiral who had sought Singlaub's counsel when McCain became a prisoner of war and spent 5 1/2 years in North Vietnamese hands.
"John's father asked me for advice about what he ought to do now that his son had been shot down and captured," Singlaub recalled in one of two recent interviews. "I said, 'As long as you don't give any impression that you care more about him than you care about any of the other prisoners, he won't be treated any differently.'"
In the Iran-Contra affair, the Reagan White House arranged covert arms shipments to the Contra rebels financed in part by secret arms sales to Iran.
Iran-Contra proved to be the undoing of Singlaub's council.
In 1987, the Internal Revenue Service withdrew the tax-exempt status of Singlaub's group because of its activities on behalf of the Contras.
Elected to the House in 1982 and at a time when he was on the board of Singlaub's council, McCain was among Republicans on Capitol Hill expressing support for the Contras, a CIA-organized guerrilla force in Central America. In 1984, Congress cut off CIA funds for the Contras.
Months before the cutoff, top Reagan administration officials ramped up the secret White House-directed supply network and put National Security Council aide Oliver North in charge of running it. The goal was to keep the Contras operational until Congress could be persuaded to resume CIA funding.
Singlaub's private group became the public cover for the White House operation.
Secretly, Singlaub worked with North in an effort to raise millions of dollars from foreign governments.
McCain has said previously he resigned from the council in 1984 and asked in 1986 to have his name removed from the group's letterhead.
"I didn't know whether (the group's activity) was legal or illegal, but I didn't think I wanted to be associated with them," McCain said in a newspaper interview in 1986.
Singlaub does not recall any McCain resignation in 1984 or May 1986, nor does Joyce Downey, who oversaw the group's day-to-day activities.
"That's a surprise to me," Singlaub said. "This is the first time I've ever heard that. There may have been someone in his office communicating with our office."
"I don't ever remember hearing about his resigning, but I really wasn't worried about that part of our activities, a housekeeping thing," Singlaub said. "If he didn't want to be on the board that's OK. It wasn't as if he had been active participant and we were going to miss his help. He had no active interest. He certainly supported us."
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Oct 07, 2008 1:48:02 PM CDT
Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, also call
by the real jack bauer
Office raided!!!!
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I've been arguing against McCain more than Obama because he scares me more (along with his chosen VP Palin, who is as sharp as a marble) than Obama and Biden.And I listed problems with both candidates' statements/ads in case you didn't notice. Did you read those against your candidate as well?
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post that story every day in every TB you can until election day.
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http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/07/acorn-vegas-office-raided-voter-fraud-investigation/
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LOL because they live in Alaska they must be members right. you are so full of crap. Why don't you compare that line to things Wright said. This is the church Obama went to for 20 years. of course he claims he never heard anything like this. give me a break "20 years"
“We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye.”
“We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America’s chickens are coming home to roost.” (Sep 2001)
“The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing ‘God Bless America.’ No, no, no, God damn America, that’s in the Bible for killing innocent people. God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme.” (2003)
“In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01. White America and the western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just ‘disappeared’ as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns.” (magazine article)
“Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run!…We [in the U.S.] believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God.” (sermon)
“Barack knows what it means living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people. Hillary would never know that. Hillary ain’t never been called a nigger. Hillary has never had a people defined as a non-person.”
“Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill has been good to us. No he ain’t! Bill did us, just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty.” (sermon)
“The Israelis have illegally occupied Palestinian territories for over 40 years now. Divestment has now hit the table again as a strategy to wake the business community and wake up Americans concerning the injustice and the racism under which the Palestinians have lived because of Zionism.” -
Oct 07, 2008 1:51:50 PM CDT
Next thing you'll be telling me..gead people voted!!
by the real jack bauer
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No doubt one cannot go with just one source, nor am I saying that factcheck.org is the one source to answer all questions. However, it was brought up by those backing McCain, so I posted problems that factcheck found to be untrue or questionable with BOTH sides.That is all.BTW, you've got some good quality posts...
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...I guarantee it.
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No. Todd Palin is a registered member of the party and Sarah has participated in events and addressed the party with a welcome speech even as a so-called Republican governor.
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I fear for the Truth. I fear we may loose it completely and then anything goes. Reality will then be whatever the loudest person says it is to be followed, historically of course, by what the people with the guns say it is...and the brilliant idea that is America would have been long dead as her people argued while she bleed to death. The extreme right can kill America just as quickly as the extreme left. Why is it only up to the more moderate left to stop the extreme right and the more moderate right to stop the extreme left? Why can't each side police their own god damn lunatics?!?! (outside of blatant censorship, etc, blah blah)
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Interesting - you have any news about the Republicans trying to cut out voters who are in foreclosure? Or telling Virginia Tech students they're not allowed to vote at school?
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Black box mods to take care of all rabble-rousers.
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He's already got my vote. Unless you ransack Greenwich with your peeps, your vote is gead to me. I mean dead.
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Is this still going on? Jeremiah Wright was a marine for 6 years and received a citation on behalf of the President thanking him for his work with a medical team that treated President Johnson.
Do you actually think he was doing nothing but giving inflammatory speeches for the last 20 years, or maybe the vast majority of them were more mundane - as are most preachers. Furthermore he's done a lot of social work with the poor people of his community. Finally, it's hardly like Barack Obama was in the audience for every single speech he gave for the last 20 years.
To add, given the way the government has been known to treat the poorest sections of society, even if you don't agree with him - you could understand why he's so angry about it.
And before anyone starts a lecture - I come from Sri Lanka and we know more than enough about terror and I by no means condone it under any circumstances. -
You are probably right. Dead people tend to vote democrat especially around chicago. When a state tries to clear the voter roles of deceased people it is often fought by democrats. I cant blame them that is a key voter group for them.
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There are those who are more or less moderate, but who hear whichever extreme side is shouting the loudest at the time, and then go on the offensive because they are so appalled by what they hear. Steamrolling effect begins whereby the shouting reaches a fever pitch.I think what I don't understand is how anyone could still back Bush in any way, shape, or form. Clearly he had companions on this journey to shitville from both sides of the aisle, but he's scared the fuck out of me. My only hope (perhaps misguided) is that Obama has the smarts to think things through and get us back on some sort of "right" track.
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Oct 07, 2008 2:22:57 PM CDT
Krigan, you really are the growth on McCain's face....
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How long ago did you live in Sri Lanka, if you don't mind me asking?
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A black box around my mutha fuckin' name!!
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Wright can say whatever he wants this is america but I also can judge those that choose to listen to it. The fact is that Obama has questionable friends to put it mildly. He kicked off his political career in the living room of William Ayres a domestic terrorist a man that attacked the pentagon bombed homes and was on the FBI's most wanted list for years. He got off on a technicality and now is buds with Obama. more than a little scary in my book. The fact is that Obama has been linked to numerous anti-american radicals and Obama could not even be cleared to work at the most basic levels of the CIA yet we may just elect him president and if you don't think that is scary I don't know what to say to you.
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Oct 07, 2008 2:30:03 PM CDT
Krigan -- wasn't it the kitchen of William Ayers?
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LOL your the one that claimed dead folks were voting democrat i just agreed with you. whats the problem? i am the one that should be laughing.
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...the whole "Obama hates America" thing died the instant Rot-Face named Separatist Palin his V.P. pick. Say what you will about Obama's radical friends. There is nothing more Anti-American than Alaskan Separatists.
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It was a joke. I don't really think Paul Newman will be voting Obama you stupid fucking twat.
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Wizard of Oz. Or am I thinking of last night's Terminator: SCC?
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It sure does not take much to get under your skin, the truth must hurt huh dickblood? So easily manipulated LOL
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Political debating is utterly futile, but I will say this much: I'm so effing ready for this to be over again for four years - one way or the other. And yes, I prefer one candidate to another. But you know what? My life is going to continue regardless of who's in the white house. And I'm going to have to keep doing exactly what I'm doing right now: anything I can to make ends meet. That's going to continue no matter what changes McCain or Obama make in the next four years. So go, vote, voice your opinion on the matter, and let that be that already. ::sigh:: You have but one vote out of millions to cast. I've decided that people debating this junk for months on end are merely trying to convince themselves that they have more than that...or that their words actually matter to anyone else.
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Just got back from class, and I'm going to say this simply: I have no desire to go through and answer Pillow's question like I promised.
I'll let the other conservitards do it for me. I'd rather go watch Sleeping Beauty on Blu-Ray while sipping on a Rum and Coke and eating Spicy Nacho Doritos (c). -
I might buy the 'outrage' at the infidelity of McCain if the same people who are appalled weren't still high-fiving each other over Bill Clinton emptying his nuts on an intern.
That said, it's nice to see Obama supporters who are getting irritated at people who are completely biased postings here. I'm a conservative, and there are things I like about Obama, and things I hate about McCain. Neither one is completely evil or absolutely good. Anyone who thinks so is blind (willingly in most cases). It's good that people have chosen their sides for whatever reasons they see fit...but remember...only a sith deals in absolutes... -
She is the Alaskan Governor and was a mayor before that. Show me one piece of legislation she tried to pass that helped the seperatists. Do it or shut up about it. You morons seem to think if you live in Alaska you must want to secede. Show me some proof she wants to secede or STFU! i always produce links when asked but you guys just spew BS that you can't back up.
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Obama = Scarecrow.
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The truth? You're saying you have proof Paul Newman will be voting Obama? I heard he was a Nader man. But provide the link if you know otherwise.
And speaking of getting under someone's skin. It truly doesn't take much to get under McCain's skin, considering its barely attached to his face. ZING!! -
The McCain campaign has become increasingly desperate and hilarious. The only people voting for him are the rednecks who get their opinions from talk radio, want to bone Sarah and tell racist jokes with their buddies.
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thats what I though you got nothing just empty BS. You are the one that said Paul Newman was voting not me. I just turned it around on you and made you cry. I am still waiting for the links BTW.
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In which case, isn't he voting in Chicago? That's where I hear all the dead people are voting these days...
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Oct 07, 2008 2:44:21 PM CDT
"My life is going to continue regardless of who's in the white h
by hobocode
Don't be too sure.
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Use OR in there, not "AND."
I'm not a redneck.
I don't want to bone Palin.
I don't tell racist jokes with my buddies.
I do get my opinions from talk radio.
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My sentence won't continue because of the AICN talkback syste
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Here you go pal.
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Point goes to the Bloody Dick.
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don't be an asshole, ok? The guy just died.
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Now that is about 3 gallons of my urine comin' your way. You want it all in one hit-- or you wanna do little shots of my piss? You prefer it naturally warm or chilled? Its entirely up to you, but we do need to change this up. I'm tired of making you look like stupid. Really....I feel bad for you.
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LOL I have already seen that but apparantly you have not. She is addressing them not joining them she says your party and makes it clear she is not a part of it. Is this all you got? She addresses them and she must be in bed with them? She is governer and if she was a radical then surely she tried to pass some legislation to help them, that is the link i want, do you have that?
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In all fairness, I brought up Mr. Newman.
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dickblood is the one that brought paul Newman into it he just responded.
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"Sleeping Beauty on Blu-Ray while sipping on a Rum and Coke and eating Spicy Nacho Doritos" You really are too decent of a person to be a Republican.
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Hey, don't be an ignorant, self-glorifying prick that refuses to read the talkback.
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Don't forget the (c)! I'm going to see if I can get anything for advertising...
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Not taking it up the ass.
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Of course she didn't try to pass Separatist legislation as an American politician. Nobody is that fucking stupid. But that doesn't mean she wouldn't try to ease the process behind closed doors....
And you're saying she just addresses them without actually being a member? Okay, well Obama just conversated with William Ayers about Education reform, without being a member of his extremist views on other subjects. So then that is perfectly acceptable right? Answer truthfully without being a fucking hypocrite. -
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you show me an old video everyone has seen and cant stop jerking off over it. So every time a Governer or politician addresses a group it means he/she is part of them? Still waiting on the link BTW that one just made it clear she was not part of them. Those groups are not the worst thing in the world by the way both texas and alaska have groups that want to secede. Why? Oil they know that if they did not have to share the oil they would be very rich countries. it is not like they are trying to bomb the pentagon or anything like obamas buddy.
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Let's see. . . by the end of the Wizard of Oz, it is proven that the Scarcrow already had the most brains of anyone in the room (he actually goes on to be King of Oz), and the Tinman could feel and cry and rust himself into a stillmute like a 4-year old girl. Well played, Pirate. Obama is a genius and McCain is frozen into emotional overload. Maybe these overgenerilzaed analogy arguments ARE true (likely they're just kind of stupid).
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I may be exactly right... we'll see after tonight.
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Oct 07, 2008 3:12:57 PM CDT
I AM A FRIEND OF ISRAEL...NO I AM A SUPERFRIEND OF ISRAEL....
by darfurontherocks
You would think that these chaps are running for the Knesset?!
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Oct 07, 2008 3:13:06 PM CDT
Fox, Drudge now Brietbart.....ACORN up Sh@t creek
by the real jack bauer
ACORN office in Vegas raided in voter-fraud probe
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Oct 07, 2008 3:13:10 PM CDT
Krigan -- you're a blind idiot and a hypocrite.
by dannyglovers_dickblood
There is no convincing you to use your brain. Your hollow skull is filled with the puss like venom McCain's handlers pump out of his cheek every night. Do yourself a favor and swan dive off a freeway overpass you ignorant fuck. I don't blame the Republican politicians for the shambles our country is in-- I blame the dense motherfuckers like yourself that continue to make excuses for them. -
it's Sarah Palin. Useless vapid baby factory. Feel sorry for her husband. Must be like throwing a hotdog down a tunnel.
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Turd ball is growing!
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"I believe in Israel's right for survival.." As such 40 billion dollars will be given to ensure that survival even though they have 300 nuclear warheads...
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Who fucking cares? Are you trying to suggest this has something to with the Obama campaign? Riiiiiiiiiight.
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You guys say that over and over again. . . what do you mean by that? I'm afraid of spiders I guess. . . but I don't understand being afraid of a political figure. Bush has engaged in many failed policies, but I'm not afriad of him. I can vote and I can speak out against him. So can you. So why are you so scared of Obama? You think he's going to swear in and immediately start bombing Israel with Nukes? You think he's going to burn down congress, murder all 535 members, suspend the Constitution, and declare himself some kind of Pharoh God? Sorry, but you guys are paranoid and apparantly afriad of your own shadows. You're Americans guys, cowboy up a little.
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For 90% of Americans and anyone making over 250,000 thousand you will be paying a little more.
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She addressed them in her capacity as Governor because they were holding a major convention. As far as Ayres he did far more than address him he started his career in his home. he got help from Ayres and in turn helped ayres with his radical re-education program.
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and by seeing I mean registering.
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I am surprised that the McCain camp has not resorted that that sort of attack... Perhaps next week? Karl Rove can help I am sure!
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dickblood is the asshole for bringing Paul Newman into this tirade.
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= Association of community organizers for reform now
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..and the Tribulation Force headed by McCain is the only one that can stop him....
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I could totally eat my words. Tha's what I get for trying to make fun of a joke that's making fun of someone else's joke. Perhaps Obama is actually a member of the Lollipop Guild and McCain is actually the multi-colored horses in the Emerald City. Palin can be the oilcan and Biden is Miss Gulch's bicycle. Now THAT'S a mothefucking argument!
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Gee...thanks for the news. Now kindly fuck off. It has nothing to do with Obama. Why-- because its a community organizer group? Ooooohhhh.....aaaaahhhhhh. Eat a fucking dick man.
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Oh you heard Obama say that too. Did you also see where he said he would double capital gains taxes. 65% of americans have investments that will now have much higher taxes. if he is raising taxes on 65% of americans how is it possible that he is only raising taxes on 5% of americans. he is lieing to you, stop drinking the kool-aid. With a troubled stock market that is just what we need more taxes on investments in it. This is the dumbest thing i have ever heard, as soon as he is elected expect more sell offs of people avoiding his hi capitol gains tax.
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....listening to a Tom Waits bootleg from his current tour and Danny's http://tinyurl.com/3jg7l3 smacks me in the face....
YEESH. Try to imagine Palin's smarmy "I-Just-LOVE-Everything-Alaskan" voice suddenly juxtaposed with Wait's proto-Delta howl coming thropugh the media player at the same time...and with HER face on it. Fuckin' YIKES!
Personally, I don't really believe that Palin particularly SUPPORTS Alaskan Independence - I think she's just another opportunistic politician playing it safe by staying on the good side of whatever potentially-popular New Movement might be coming up on her staff's radar....Which STILL makes her a piss-poor candidate for VP.
I bet if she was a candidate in Vermont instead of Alaska, she'd be sucking up to a "reborn" Green Mountain Boys brigade...these "rural populist" candidates are always the fastest ones to sell their supporters straight down the fucking river at the first opportunity....
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A Corpse on Registered Names....
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This IS VERY BIG News, watch this grow, like my pee pee in your pooper.
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Dog lover. Try and brush this off if you wish, even ignore it... This one is not going away and is only the tip. Maybe you should call yourself "Ostrich lover"
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It has all the makings of your "anointed one"
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...condemn Obama due to Wright/Ayers but not Palin due to her husband's association with Alaskan separatists? Personally, I think associations are at best a fleeting instance of a candidates judgment and the rest is just hearsay. Do you now have friends that might have had a shady past? Is there no forgiveness for saying stupid shit? I'd have no friends at all if I ended the friendship over them saying stupid shit (me saying stupid shit too, presumeably).Is this all we can talk about..this petty, arbitrary excuse for ad hominem bullshit and a PURE politicial nothingness?Obama was a member of a church who's pastor said some very nasty things about America. This pastor has a right to say what he did even if you think it makes Obama's judgment questionable (which is a valid point, of course). Democracy at work, folks! This doesn't mean Obama has those same views much less is exactly the same simply because he was "in the room". Todd Palin was a member of a Alaskan separatist group who's leader said some things just as inflammatory about the US government (how is one 'worse' than the other at the end of the day? and then why does it matter...at the END of the day?) and before you condemn me for not calling Obama out for Wright/Ayers....Sarah Palin *married* her secessionist husband while Obama called Wright "his mentor" on occasion. Is one really worse than the other? Unquestionably? Really? Do you think it only means something for the person you don't want to win? Isn't that stretching it..just a little bit?I think both parties are barking up pointless tress if we wish to negate a candidacy based on acquaintances. But I think you must perform a little pretzel twisting , logically speaking, if you think only Obama has problems with his friends and Sarah does not with her husband and his friends. I'm not attacking nor defending either one as I think it's a bullshit argument unless you actually believe Obama and Palin are either muslim or domestic terrorists with slavering fangs ready to take a bite out of America for black or redneck vengeance.The fact that we are arguing over reality tv bullshit and not policy and each candidate's ideas for the future of the country speaks more of who will ever win the "your candidate is a scary asshole cause he's buddy-buddy with this asshole-lier guy!!!" than whether or not one candidate's anti-American friends are worse than another candidate's anti-American friends.Or maybe it's just me and I didn't get the memo that we ignore our own bullshit to point out the exact same type of bullshit in the opponent.
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Palin is fucking moron. Jesus.
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Naaaawww, I'm cool. I say eat a dick or gargle my urine to all idiots. It doesn't mean I'm upset.
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Thats a real douche bag handle you have by the way.
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Only 'cause you can't carry on an intelligent argument
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OBAMA.. Well, you know, I haven't given a firm number. Here's my belief, that we can't go back to some of the, you know, confiscatory rates that existed in the past that distorted sound economics. And I certainly would not go above what existed under Bill Clinton, which was the 28 percent. I would--and my guess would be it would be significantly lower than that.
That is what Obama said lower than what Clinton had it at or Lower.
Once again
if you Make under 250,000 thousand you will get more back under Obama...UNLIKE McCain where he will give all the money to the Rich and hope for the trickle down effect.
Anf Why not KEEP DOING THAT IT HAS WORKED OUT SO WELL FOR US UNDER BUSH!!!
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Zogby poll has Obama leadnig by 3 points. Is McCain narowing te gap?Might I still see a McCain / Palin Administration?
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All stats are overblown
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a 10 point freebie lead
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Giuliani (did I spell that right?) said that Democrats win polls while Republicans win elections.
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Love them or be jealous of them...truth is the rich folks have the jobs to give, It's what helps them stay rich.. Envious that they have money and you do not? Get of you butts and apply yourself so you can hire people and create jobs and make money...sheesh
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You don't even have your rhetoric right. Obama's plan does not say you will get more back if you make less than 250,000 it says your taxes wont go up. which is a lie of course. his proposed tax cuts is for much lower incomes than $249,000. he is also going to repeal the bush tax cuts which will raise taxes on everyone so who is the fool now. Read up and come back when you know what you are talking about.
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Jesus, I thought this was supposed to be a movie/TV news site. Seems like every day there is a new pro-dem article on here. I get that it drives up the hit count and brings in more $ from the ads but please, give it a rest! I don't go to CNN.com to read about obscure Watchmen news and I don't come here to find out how entertainment columnists think I should vote!
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Didn't you get the memo.. you know that Leo, Lindsay, Paris all know more about politics than we do? They know what's best
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Who forced you to read this post?
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Also on the capital gains he is proposing raising it to 28% when we should be getting rid of it all together. Is it really that hard to understand that rasing taxes on capital gains discourages investment? Do we really want to discourage investments at this time? i am not saying we can never bring back a reasonable capitol gains tax but repeal them for now. dont raise them.
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hope you're here tomorrow after Obama wipes his black ass wiht McCain AGAIN.
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Hate the game baby, not the player
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you might sound like you have something to say....
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Oct 07, 2008 4:02:17 PM CDT
Oh, thats right,,,,you tolerant Dems,,,name throwing
by the real jack bauer
is all you've got
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Go ahead,,,, I'll wait......
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Dems never claimed to be tolerant of stupidity. You guys have fun jerking each other off in here. There are three of you now!! Call up Coughlins Law and you got yourself a fluffer.
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Making fun of the name DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD is redundant ... a hopeless endeavor. I mean you honestly think "dog lover" in any way trumps what he has?
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Oh, I meant "Words,,,,just words" B. Obama
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Name calling is all they got man. It shows a low IQ when all you can do is call names, pretty pathetic really.
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it's our choice.
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.......and Hawaiian Organ Donor is a much more eloquent speaker than I. So I will quote an earlier post of his that sums it up beautifully.
"First off the left isn't so much in hate mode as they are in resentment mode. And you know what, even if the left is full of nothing but hate and vitriol right now, that's 100% understandable after what the right has done to our country these past 8 years.
If someone of the right can't grasp the plight of middle class families dealing with layoffs, massively inflated grocery costs, gas that has more than tripled under Bush, our national reputation in the toilet and unspeakable debt being passed off to our children, if that shitstorm of sewage doesn't anger those on the right and force them to admit all the hatred is justified, then those numbskulls need to be dragged to the part of the Earth that's flat, shoved into a bag of ravenous coyotes and drop kicked over the side.
And to every one of those mangy, flea-ridden, sleeps-with-their-sister, needs to have their arsehole sewn up and fed Mexican food jerkoffs that calls Obama a terrorist through association, they need to have their eyes gouged out and pushed off the curb into rush hour traffic. But let DannyGlovers have his way with Elizabeth Hasselbeck first. Terrorists? Let me tell you mofos who the real terrorists are. All the people at the top of companies such as Lehmann Brothers, Fannie Mae, Global Crossing, Merill Lynch, Enron, Halliburton, Worldcom, Tyco, AIG, Harken and Bear Stearns are terrorists. These immoral, greedy bastards have destroyed people's livelihood and obliterated their retirement savings. And any politician who associates themselves with these scumbags and knowingly lets it slide (and they all do, they know their "friends" are scum of the earth) is a terrorist as well. And that means just about every Democrat and Republican in Washington. So McCain is no less a terrorist than Obama.
Nobody in Washington is clean so to sling mud is hypocritical. All politicians are worthless.
And for that Palin c*nt to attack Obama for his terrorist ties when her husband belonged to a party bent on the succession of Alaska (that's treason round these parts you know) is completely disingenuous."
You right wingers go and on about Obama being our Messiah. Fuck that-- HOD is my Messiah!!
ALL HAIL THE HOD!!
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It shows,30 f'n lines of talk back and all they do is throw the hate around.....
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How are you dumbasses getting a pro-Democrat slant from what Hercules posted? It's an article from Bloomberg for chrissakes.
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in a town hall meeting. You know...the kind he has been running from?
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The whole site leans Left. If you can't see that...well...
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I hear a lot of name calling and stupidity... guess I didn't miss much...
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hollywood tittys and lesbo girl flicks and sh@t, but that's about where it ends, they couldn't keep their collective hands off of my wallet on a bet.
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You can't say SHIT? Really?
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Then the oceans will miraculously lower, all wars will cease, and everyone will love us! Yay...
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...shouldn't the phrase be "Democratic Congress-like lows" seeing as they are lower in the polls than El Presidente Bush?
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the market swings up after every presidential election. it is a very short term phenomenon linked to hope i guess. Obama will fix that short term upswing with his capital gains tax if it passes.
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HehKidding!! Put down the bat!
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on my wallet comment????
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Bet you're glad your mother was pro-life. :)
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in office,,,, Dems give money away than drunken sailors, but where do you think that money comes from.
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Good thing the people I was referring to weren't talking about the site. What you're saying may be so but it doesn't negate what I said, so it's an unnecessary and meaningless response to my post. Do you have something to say about what I wrote? Like maybe a quote from Hercules' post that is pro-Dem. (Which, by the way, is what was being discussed, not whether the site leaned left or not. There's a difference.)
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I want to bang Palin really bad. While we're going at it I want her to keep saying the word about. Over and over. God is that hot.
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"Seems like every day there's a new pro-Dem slant here."
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And no matter how anybody spins it, the Republicans will get ALL of the blame. (Rightfully so)
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Is print up a mock newspaper announcing 'McCain Dead! President Palin To Be Sworn In Today!'. And everytime McCain tries to make a point Obama just holds up the Newspaper.
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Oh come on...you're being generous. Surely Barney Frank and his cohorts had something to do with it? No? A little bit?
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NO - he said "Seems like every day there is a new pro-dem article on here." Article. As in this one. Or was he talking about some other one, but perversely posting here. I don' think so. He was talking about this article, which is categorically not pro-Dem.My point is, call it when you see it but not when there's nothing to see. As for relaxing, I am very relaxed right now. I'm about to go for a nice walk I think ...
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The man was generalizing. But enjoy your walk.
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Madonna has Banned Palin from her tour... oooooooh!
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Brigitte Bardot went off on her as well. Seems like everyone is jealous of The Arctic Fox.
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Actually, I *was* referring to the site as a whole, not just this article.
But, since you brought it up... If this article isn't pro-dem, then why was the original Bloomberg article edited for this posting? The following paragraph was ommitted from Herc's post:
"A CBS News poll, however, showed the race tightening. The Oct. 3-5 survey of 875 registered voters gave Obama a 47 percent to 43 percent lead. The poll's margin of error was 3 percentage points. Obama led by 8 points, 49 percent to 41 percent, in a CBS survey taken Sept. 27-30." -
Shoestring skinny, crisp and golden brown and tasty versus plain, white and lumpy, boring but dependable, an American holiday favorite.That makes Biden chili-cheese to Palins milk gravy, but the metaphor kinda falls apart after that.
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News to me. he has run up a record national debt, government spending is out of control, and he has created a hugely expensive new agency at Homeland Security and the largest entitlement program, the prescription drug plan, since LBJ's Great society. Bill clinton could only dream of creating a social program that grandiose. Now Bush has helped turn our economy into a socialist regime with the $ 700 billion bailout.
Exactly what makes him a conservative? The war in Iraq? It is an idealistic nation building experiment. Holding Gitmo prisoners? it isa drop in the bucket compared to FDR's internment of the Japanese during WWII and he is a leftist hero.
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Let's say for a sec that Obama did attend his sermons...well...religiously. And let's say that deep down inside he maybe even agrees with some of Wright's hateful rantings. Why is it a prerequisite for a black president to like white people? Because it's definitely not a pre-requisite for a white president to like black people...
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No? Your guys just covered a lot of stupid execs' asses for writing a lot of bad paper for a lot of stupid home buyers.You hedge your bets in granting absolute power to a stupid treasurer because he's a democrat and you think you have the next 8 years locked up. It's a shrewd yet very stupid move. This from the faction that bitches about all the rights Bush is taking away from us.Best yet, you involve the ultra stupid republicans to go along with you so the whole thing can't be hung solely on yourselves in the coming years once it all goes kablooey. There should have been enough dem votes to completely exclude the republicans.And how do you square community activists exchanging smokes for votes in Ohio (or anywhere else)? That's temporary tolerance of stupidity at the very least.There (should be) so much bad press against Obama that there's no material left to hope for an October suprise. Yet I bet you can tolerate the stupidity of 51% of registered voters until 05NOV08.It appears to me that the dems have tolerance for stupidity in abundance.
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Palin went down on her Husband's business partner.This bailout is bullshit as the rest of the financial world is in turmoil.All cause of greed.As Obama said, "someone wasn't minding the Store".McCain's campaign can hang it up now as the majoe focus is.."the economy stupid".AIG executives going away for an expensive retreat while the taxpayers are footing the bill?!?fucking bastards!
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I think it is great that McCain has adopted the same tactics he railed against when Karl Rove called him dangerous and unstable in earlier elections.
The politics of destruction and fear have led to Republican victories in the last few presidential elections, I am surprised they waited this long to attack.
One of the reasons I think Palin is a sleeper pick for the extreme right is that she would NEVER get elected with her beliefs (no abortions in case of rape or incest, anti-science, the Earth only 5,000 years old), but she could sneak in if McCain wins in November and passes away (God forbid) during his first term. The extreme right would certainly have an open vessel from which to flow instead of a free-thinker, which McCain certainly used to be. -
Sans the White Robes.In this case I condone terrorism: Blow those fucking Rednecks to the four winds!
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You're joking, right? Even blatant segregationists like Strom Thurmond and George Wallace lost big time when running for president in times when the country was much less tolerant. today, political careers aredestroyed even on the hint some remark they made was racist.
But Jeremiah wright is not about racism or even anti-Semetism. it is about the constant "God D*mn America" comments. Obama listened to them for twenty years and never disavowed them until it became politically necessary to do so and even then, it was with a wink, wink, nudge, nudge. Why would anyone elect someone like that? -
Obama is a terrorist because he "hangs out with one" while Palin is NOT a seperatist because she speaks at their rallies and her husband is a member of their group is a bit one-sided and disingenuous, no?
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should they steal..er I mean win the election. Affilations with Ultra right wing racist groups,Sepertists,The Keating 5 and Witch Doctors? Imagine imposing their shit on us.Palin reminds of of that candidate Greg Stillson from the Dead Zone; "The Missles are flying..Haleluah,Haleluah.."!or to a lesser extent that crazy zealot Bitch from The Mist.Ah, Life imitading Art.
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Oct 07, 2008 6:11:15 PM CDT
Immortal_Fish -- oh give me a fucking break...
by dannyglovers_dickblood
The Dems may have been pulling the strings in front of the cameras but it was a completely non-partisan endeavor. Everyone agrees that deal was fucking horse shit. The very fact that the country is in the position to be forced to make that deal is horse shit. So don't try to act like that was some Democratic issue. If I remember right it was Mr. Bush's pet project.
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McCain facing the 'crisis of his career,' Gingrich says
(CNN) — John McCain faces the "crisis of his career," says former House Speak Newt Gingrich, who predicted the Republican nominee will lose the election unless he makes a public break from the economic bailout proposal.
In a column posted on the Web site of the conservative Human Events Tuesday, Gingrich says it is impossible for McCain to catch up in the national or state polls unless he taps into the anger many Americans feel toward the $700 billion bailout of Wall Street investment banks.
"If Senator McCain is not prepared to separate himself from the Bush-Paulson economic program, he has no opportunity to win," Gingrich writes. "The country is deeply fed up with the Bush presidency and angry about the Paulson bailout. If McCain is confused or uncertain about how bad this economic performance is, he will never get the country to listen to him."
Gingrich is the latest prominent conservative to criticize McCain for supporting the bill, which Congress passed last week. Speaking on CNN last week, radio host Glenn Beck said the Arizona senator will lose the election over the vote: I think he lost the election — there was a moment here for somebody here to rise up as a leader," Beck said.
The latest CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll confirms the majority of Americans remain deeply distrustful of the massive bailout package. According to the new survey released Tuesday, close to 60 percent say the plan will not treat taxpayers fairly, and more than half think the government will only get a little bit of the money back. More than half also said they don't think the government will spend the money properly.
"Just as Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan (as well as the House Republicans in 1994 with the Contract with America) created a large argument which led to a decisive result, so McCain has an opportunity to reach beyond the daily attacks and clever tactics and spend the last 28 days of this campaign making a large argument over America's future," Gingrich, a primary author of the 1994 Contract with America, also said.
But it may be impossible for McCain to publicly break with the president on the plan. The GOP nominee suspended his campaign two weeks ago to ensure the economic bailout package was passed. When he cast his vote for the bill last week, McCain said it was "significantly improved" from its original version and now included "strengthened protections and oversight" for taxpayers. Though the legislation did contain billions in earmarks, something McCain said he opposed.
McCain campaign aides have since said they are aiming to turn the narrative on the campaign trail away from the country's financial woes and the unpopular economic bailout — a strategy Gingrich sharply opposes.
"If McCain is prepared to declare that it is time for a fundamental change away from the failure of Bush-Paulson and away from the leftism of Obama …then he has a huge opportunity," Gingrich writes.
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It has been stated as fact on the news shows. Perhaps it is incorrect?
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Write-in....JOKER/DENT this November
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McCain favors the kind of untamed, super-free market posture that is threatening to collapse the entire global economy. Obama went to the home of a once-radical school reformer in order to get contacts for a run at the Illinois state senate. Obama used a terrorist!! Therefore, if the markets are regulated, the terrorists win. A true patriot starts rationing sugar and growing turnips in their window boxes.
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Oct 07, 2008 6:52:10 PM CDT
it is confirmed Todd was a card carrying member....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
...for a few years. Sarah just went to some meeting but wasn't an official meeting.
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They both hung out with terrorist that bombed the Pentagon.
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That pretty much sums up my feelings. I'll probably hold my nose and vote for the former. The thought alone makes me gag.
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Really? You HATE those guys? That seems a little extreme. Don't vote, then. I wouldn't vote for the weaker of the two assholes who beat me up in middle school just 'cause his punches didn't hurt as bad. Seriously, don't vote for either one.
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You listen to Rush Limbaugh!
Btw the Bushies hung out with Osama Bin Laden's dad and i'm assuming you voted them. You know Rush did.
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Osama Bin Laden's family "Suadi Arabia's The Bin Ladens" funded the Bushies Texas oil companies in the 70s and 80s. Pathetic.
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Just like in 2004 when Kerry and (useless) Edwards were supposed to take the election and the country by storm. I'm just sayin' is all...
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Shatner/Hasselhoff '08!
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I likewise live in California, though I'm not Republican, I'm more libertarian (little L). And sometimes the enmity I encounter is STAGGERING.
EXPERIMENT: Stop at a register-to-vote table outside any Trader Joe's and say, "No thanks, I don't vote Democrat." See what level of bile you receive. -
Once again, brilliant post (12:27:53 PM)
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Sorry. Couldn't resist the BSB title."don't try to act like that was some Democratic issue"Who's acting?"If I remember right it was Mr. Bush's pet project."Yep, the most liberal republican in my time... unless of course McCain gets elected.
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Hey, perhaps you may not know and all, so I grant you a little leeway, but, get this...::leans in real close and whispers::...Bush isn't running this year.
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Yep. In case you were wondering who this fellah is, he's the husband of the woman running on the bottom of the republican ticket. Meanwhile, in as few years ago that can be counted on one hand, Uhhbummer, the guy running at the top of the democrat ticket, was rubbing elbows with ACORN, Ayers, Wright, Rezko, Fannie, Freddie, and countless others.Oh! And Todd Palin was convicted of a DUI 25 years ago too.And 25 years ago, McCain returned home from Viet Nam while Uhhbummer was smoking crack cocaine.But why believe your lying eyes when you can read "The Audacity Of Hope" as I have?Bush smoke crack, BAAD! Uhhbama smoke crack GOOOD!
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He mentioned that joke during the first hour of today's show.
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My wife and I just moved to the San Francisco Bay area because of a postgraduate research opportunity at Stanford. If you want to know what kind of "change" Barack Hussein Obama would bring, then look no further than the Bay Area. The liberals over here (socialist hippies?) implement a "big brother" form of government that prevents a big chain (like Wal-Mart) from infringing on their little liberal paradise. As a result of lack of true competition, it is extremely expensive here! Not only is the property expensive to buy or rent (due to enormous liberal property tax measures), but just about everything else is expensive too! A 12 pack of Diet-Coke or Gatorade is slapped with a $1.20 extra tax so the government can spend it on "diet programs" for poor kids -- that aren't even effective (let alone cost effective). The area requires that you buy bicycles for enormous amount of money (WalMart cannot sell bikes) and then charges residents to "register" their bikes each year (a bicycle tax for using the roads that are already paid for). It costs between $4-6 to cross on any of the four bay bridges -- EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE COMPLETELY PAID FOR YEARS AGO. Most states prohibit the government from forcing residents to pay to use roads that are paid for unless a viable alternative road/bridge is already proposed. Not here. The liberals in this big brother government want your money because they think that they deserve to spend it the way THEY see fit. Illegal immigrants are everywhere! As we drive from Palo Alto east (or west) on El Camino Real, you can see them congregated at gas stations as they wait for employment opportunities. I have a heart for immigrants -- who are honest enough to enter via a front door. Of course, I also feel for immigrants who want to come for economic reasons. But that isn't the reason that the liberals in the San Francisco Bay Area governments give them Driver's Licenses. They give them licenses because the rich, elitist liberals want CHEAP, MANUAL TAX-FREE LABOR. The Hispanic population around here is hated by the local population. They turn up their noses at them as they drive by -- unless they need someone to mow their grass. It is all a bit hypocritical, really. The liberal government has its hands in every aspect of our lives! If you apply for a house or apartment (where the median home price is about $1.5 Million), the government allows landlords to obtain ANY information they want! They force you to include your bank account numbers, bank branch locations, credit card numbers, credit accounts and numbers (cars, banks, appliances, department store, etc...), along with nearly every other aspect of your life! Ironically, they don't allow landlords to consider any police records that are older than 7 years, because they worry that it could be an invasion of your "privacy." The local liberal governments in this area reserve the right to check your trash can -- just to check if you have been recycling (or else pay a hefty $2K fine and loss of sanitation services for a year). They also reserve the right to check your pets' "private parts" in order to make sure that they have been "fixed" -- because it is a crime to breed your dogs and cats. These same liberals complain that the White House allows CIA and FBI agents to monitor the telephone calls of suspected terrorists. So this liberal government wants to interfere in EVERY aspect of your life -- except your own personal or national security. The local school districts are extremely liberal in their teaching. Yes, sex education is taught even to kindergardeners! While liberals like Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama claim that this is just to teach 5 yr olds what to do if someone inappropriately touches them, the fact remains that they also try to indoctrinate children in regard to what is "normal" sexual behavior or attractions. Why can't liberals understand that some things are best taught by PARENTS or GUARDIANS? Yet the parents do not have a right to exclude their children from such discussions. Liberals have taken this right away and given it to their own discretion. California law makes it illegal for any child under the age of 18 to obtain an aspirin while at school without parental knowledge and consent. Yet the liberals in these local schools now allow any child between the ages of 10 and 17 to have a secret, tax-payer funded abortion WITHOUT THEIR PARENTS EVER KNOWING! The child will go to school like normal, but the school counselor will then take that child to the abortion clinic and have the procedure done -- regardless of whether the parents know or want it to occur. In fact, it is now illegal for the counselor, teacher or school administrator to even let the parents know that the girl was pregnant in the first place! Thus, the parents will have no idea on how to handle a situation for which they are completely unaware simply because the liberal governments prefer to have that right themselves. A young girl died a few years ago on the abortion table. Her parents were shocked to learn that their daughter was pregnant in the first place -- let alone dead at an abortion clinic. Yet the liberals in the government think that this is the best way. In fact, this mirrors legislation proposed by Obama when he was a state legislator in Chicago. The liberal government in the San Francisco area prefers to define EVERYTHING. The liberal legislators create massive tax and fee propositions that help their liberal causes -- but refuse to give equal time to any other thought. The local "government access" papers and channels are even more liberally slanted than stations like CNN or MSNBC! Yet the liberals pride themselves on the paradise that they are building! Barack Obama, the most inexperienced and liberal candidate to EVER run for the office of Commander-in-Chief, cleverly disguises his "change" rhetoric to avoid any reference to his liberal agenda. Yes, his call for "change" is inspiring -- AS LONG AS YOU DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS! If you want to know what type of "CHANGE" that Obama wants to bring -- just move to San Francisco for about six months. This is a lovely place to visit, but it is a terrible place to live. This is the most ardent example of "big brother" liberal government ideology in the nation. But if Obama is elected, it could be coming to your state. Although Obama claims that he isn't going to raise taxes on anyone other than incomes of $250K a year -- this plan includes businesses. Small businesses (like a local Subway restaurant) typically make that amount and the owners barely squeak by. Who do you think will take up the slack of Obama's tax increases? As the stock market struggles, what money do you think will be invested -- if that money is taken from our pockets by a "blank check" liberal government (especially since the Democrat-controlled, lowest-rated-in-history Congress is so thirsty for your hard earned $$$). The bottom line is simple: AMERCICA NEEDS CHANGE -- BUT NOT OBAMA'S IDEA OF CHANGE. Obama's cleverly disguised liberalism is DANGEROUS! He truly thinks that Europe has a lot to teach America as far as society and economics are concerned. But the last time I checked, America was still the strongest and most free nation on the planet. We don't need Obama's hope for "change" -- a cleverly disguised plan for liberal BIG GOVERNMENT -- to diminish this nation. The change that we need is found in Senator McCain. Even though Obama's minions are constantly repeating the same negative lies about the Senator, John McCain is the only honest, experienced and qualified person running for office. He will stand up to the lowest rated Congress in history, refuse to give them a blank check from our bank accounts, and keep America strong in defense and liberty. McCain will not negotiate with terrorists (Bill Ayers, anyone) -- but will hold them accountable for their evil rhetoric and actions. Obama is just a prick who thinks far too highly of his inexperienced, liberal self. If he thought that the Democrats in Scranton, Pennsylvania were "bitter" -- wait until he realizes that Americans don't want liberals taking our hard-earned money or the inflation that will result from his hyper-liberal agenda! We don't need "4 more years of the last 8" -- but we sure as Hell don't need 4 years of ultra-liberal, "blank check" government in both the White House and Congress. We need change. Senator John McCain and Governor Sarah Palin offer the ONLY change that can make this nation stronger and more economically, domestically and internationally secure.
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What is wrong with bin ladens family? There is a lot of good people in his family. Before Bin laden ruined their reputation they were a respected family around the world. many of his relatives had to flee the USA after 9/11 in fear because of what he did. They are very unhappy with what he did. Just because he is a bad guy don't judge his whole family. You need to learn a little tolerance, what you are saying is just as bad as racism.
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And hissy fits ensue. But why get caught up in the obvious? Anyway...Did you know that the Uhhbummer campaign registered the KEATINGECONOMICS website 25 days before she uttered such words? This from the campaign of the man that claimed that the Keating Five scandal "was not germane." His words, not mine. Google up "+keating +obama +germane" and behold the results.The Keating Five cost McCain my vote. I don't care that it happened over 20 years ago. This is not to say that he couldn't win it back. However, McCain's actions since then obviated him as the liberal he is and I will not cast my precious vote for him.Anyway, McCain was exonerated by a democrat body. He repaid over $100k in campaign contributions. And four out of the Keating Five were not republicans (guess their party affiliation).Did Uhhbummer ever repay his Fannie/Freddie windfalls? Did he ever at least own up to them?
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you make way to much sense for this crowd. these lemmings have already made up their mind. Truth means little.
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And if you are so fucking deperate that you use Hussien in your rant then you might as well head all your posts "complete fuckwitted Douchebag ranting".
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And there is your evidence as to just how influential that fat, pompous ass truly is.He may get 20mil listeners, but that doesn;t mean that they are all lemmings. Unless, of course, PirateEmery has begun his 12-step Soros program.
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Zipidee Doo!
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I call that this one is complete and utter shit.
The sequel is never as good as the original. -
Unscramle the letters to see what the Election will be decided upon.
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Going to watch, listen and absorb instead of bark and bellyache here live.
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...my prize for best seating posture. Did anyone else think that McCain looked like a lame puppet that was laid down on the chair?
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Whoops... guess the secret's out...
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and get the same result......
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and get the same result......
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And it was posted again.
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They're drugged.
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The audience is made up of audio-animatronics.
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Do you ever pay attention to the truth, or do you simply regurgitate the nonsense rhetoric that cleverly disguises Obama hyper-liberalism behind his call for "change?"
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If, in the next few years, there's any noticable changes in the US health and education systems, environmental and foreign policies, and just appearing like a responsible free superpower - then I'll be impressed. Otherwise it's just business as usual, same as my country.
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Looking slick, my man.
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He just spews the same tired rhetoric of "failed policies of the last eight years." He's a brilliant little ultra-liberal, that Obama. He wants to change this nation, alright. He wants a much bigger government to decide what to do with all of the money that will leave your wallet. He will provide a "blank check" to his fellow tax-and-spend-happy liberals in the lowest rated Congress in history. Obama keeps blabbing off his critical talking point rhetoric written by David Axelrod! But on the bright side: McCain actually answers questions!
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Is either one of them a maverick? I'd like to know.
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Not McCain that is for sure....
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What he can't say is that the Bailout is a fraud. It won't work but they had to pass it to show us that they want to do something. None of them know what to do. The best Obama can say is that we have to use that money to help people with their mortages.
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I said it before, his arms are welded in place from laying in a hole for 5 years munching on spiders.
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Oct 07, 2008 8:22:45 PM CDT
James Garner, Mel Gibson, and Tom Cruise are Mavericks
by darfurontherocks
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Obama: "Blah blah blah failed policies of last eight years blah blah blah Bush blah blah McCain blah blah good question blah blah Bush blah blah cynicism blah blah McCain blah blah."
McCain: "This is what I plan..."
Yep, McCain is a real man. Obama is just a talking puppet for David Axelrod and San Francisco's Nancy Pelosi. We need leadership. We need REAL change. We need John McCain. -
Cause then it would be okay.
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The odds are no...
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The government is bigger now than it was when Clinton was in office. Also you've lost a lot more money since the dollar has been devalued. Past 8 years it's been bush spending and spending and letting everything else fall apart. Besides you don't make enough to worry about "tax and spend" - if you did, you wouldn't been on this board.
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Future-proof that is
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You mean Israel and Egypt?
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needs to stop moving around and gesturing. It's like Marvel Zombies McCain
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Osama bin Laden is PRAYING TO ALLAH for the election of Barack Hussein Obama!
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Oct 07, 2008 8:29:19 PM CDT
ccchhhrrriiisssm shut the fuck up with the politics of fear and
by darfurontherocks
Everyday less and less people are buying this balony....
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So why mention them as a positive? Also anyone who thinks McCain is answering more questions than Obama is retarded. It was so obvious McCain wants to appoint Phil Graham to the job currently held by Paulson. And he avoided it. And why isn't McCain talking about his new plans for seniors?
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and have that guy in the orange shirt killed.
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every time McCaincer says "My friends". You are not my friend.
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Is that where you are going to next?
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just do the "smoke a doobie" gesture there?
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I'm not arguing with you there. Bush did create a much larger government than any conservative expected! Yet a lot of that spending was done at the bequest of the Democratic Party. Besides, of the two PRESENT choices, only one man promises to SHRINK the government. Obama promises to create many expensive NEW projects -- which will be paid for by your money. McCain promises to keep the government in check. He won't give a blank check to this worst-rated Democrat controlled Congress in history. We cannot afford Barack Obama!
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Liberal & Labour supporters here in Australia. Lots of words used. Not alot said. Oh, and ccchhhrrriiisssm - pointing out the flaws in one guy doesn't make the flaws in the other guy disappear.
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these dudes to shreds.
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Oct 07, 2008 8:33:22 PM CDT
OBAMA IS SPENDING ALL HIS TIME AT THE ROOF OF THE CNN GRAPH
by bringingsexyback
Meanwhile McCain is flatlining and dipping. Someone get him a defibrillator. Or a witchdoctor!!!!
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...Side by side by ma Piano...
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Or have you wised up and abandoned that insulting charade?
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No, I just think that he is a far-left LIBERAL who cleverly disguises his liberalism behind his "change" rhetoric. If you want to know what kind of "change" that Obama wants, just move to San Francisco and live there for six months. IF you want to know just why it costs so much to live here (in the San Francisco Bay area), then look no further than the LIBERAL government they elect year after year. Obama is a poster child for this sort of rampant liberalism!
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What a great role model.
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this is a town hall meeting. Your specialty, so why aren't you tearing Obama up?
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Congress was controlled by the republicans for most of bush's term. Relax man... don't be afraid of the Black man. He's not wearing a hoodie, he's wearing a suit, he's not going to hurt you.. he's here to help you. You're bleeding and you're going to die, let the black man help you.
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What's the matter? Does your racial profiling prohibit you from believing that a black man can think on his own? Damn -- you're an ignorant racist!
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The rich raped us and now McCancer wants to hold us down for more. The rich can afford a tax hike, the middle class can afford a tax break. Plain and simple.
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That's opposed to an educated racist is it?
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As a black man, I take offense to your remark! I'm not afraid of Barack Obama's black or arab skin. I am deeply concerned, however, about the expensive liberal "change" that he cleverly disguises behind his fuzzy rhetoric. The fact remains: Obama is a liberal!
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it's... stuff.
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Any politician that says to people "My friends" is a dangerous person and is lying through their dentures.
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...Barack Obama getting soundly defeated by Senator McCain? Maybe it is because Obama is a little fuzzy on any details and heavy on David Axelrod's, Harry Reid's and Nancy Pelosi's tired talking points?
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almost like he's begging the public to vote for him.
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This debate was over the moment Obama opened his lying mouth.
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it's not your turn. The funeral hall called, they want their embalming fluid back you fucking zombie. Quit roaming around.
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Then as an African American you really have your head up your ass promoting a republican. You may not like some of the mistakes that the Democratic party may make, but at the core they will not fuck you over on purpose. The republican party just doesn't give a fuck about you or anyone else who isn't rich and/or white. They just don't care. I don't know what twisted you up inside to get you thinking this way, but you are 100% wrong. As for spending money.... we spend it mostly on weapons - because it's easy money for the rich people that make weapons. Yes it creates some jobs but you can't eat a gun, you can't learn math from a gun and you can't warm your home with a gun. We've spent or money on aggression and now it's mostly gone. Money has to be spent to fix the problems that we've been left. If we don't do something to counteract all the wrong that Regan, bush I and bush II have done.
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A Black man voting for a republican is like a Jewish person supporting a nazi. Get your head on strait.
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Oct 07, 2008 8:55:59 PM CDT
McCain - I also need false teeth, diapers. A rocking chair
by orionsangels
A nurse. A Nintendo Wii
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My wife and I just moved to the San Francisco Bay area because of a postgraduate research opportunity at Stanford. If you want to know what kind of "change" Barack Hussein Obama would bring, then look no further than the Bay Area.
The liberals over here (socialist hippies?) implement a "big brother" form of government that prevents a big chain (like Wal-Mart) from infringing on their little liberal paradise. As a result of lack of true competition, it is extremely expensive here! Not only is the property expensive to buy or rent (due to enormous liberal property tax measures), but just about everything else is expensive too!
A 12 pack of Diet-Coke or Gatorade is slapped with a $1.20 extra tax so the government can spend it on "diet programs" for poor kids -- that aren't even effective (let alone cost effective).
The area requires that you buy bicycles for enormous amount of money (WalMart cannot sell bikes) and then charges residents to "register" their bikes each year (a bicycle tax for using the roads that are already paid for).
It costs between $4-6 to cross on any of the four bay bridges -- EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE COMPLETELY PAID FOR YEARS AGO. Most states prohibit the government from forcing residents to pay to use roads that are paid for unless a viable alternative road/bridge is already proposed. Not here. The liberals in this big brother government want your money because they think that they deserve to spend it the way THEY see fit.
Illegal immigrants are everywhere! As we drive from Palo Alto east (or west) on El Camino Real, you can see them congregated at gas stations as they wait for employment opportunities. I have a heart for immigrants -- who are honest enough to enter via a front door. Of course, I also feel for immigrants who want to come for economic reasons. But that isn't the reason that the liberals in the San Francisco Bay Area governments give them Driver's Licenses. They give them licenses because the rich, elitist liberals want CHEAP, MANUAL TAX-FREE LABOR. The Hispanic population around here is hated by the local population. They turn up their noses at them as they drive by -- unless they need someone to mow their grass. It is all a bit hypocritical, really.
The liberal government has its hands in every aspect of our lives! If you apply for a house or apartment (where the median home price is about $1.5 Million), the government allows landlords to obtain ANY information they want! They force you to include your bank account numbers, bank branch locations, credit card numbers, credit accounts and numbers (cars, banks, appliances, department store, etc...), along with nearly every other aspect of your life! Ironically, they don't allow landlords to consider any police records that are older than 7 years, because they worry that it could be an invasion of your "privacy." The local liberal governments in this area reserve the right to check your trash can -- just to check if you have been recycling (or else pay a hefty $2K fine and loss of sanitation services for a year). They also reserve the right to check your pets' "private parts" in order to make sure that they have been "fixed" -- because it is a crime to breed your dogs and cats. These same liberals complain that the White House allows CIA and FBI agents to monitor the telephone calls of suspected terrorists. So this liberal government wants to interfere in EVERY aspect of your life -- except your own personal or national security.
The local school districts are extremely liberal in their teaching. Yes, sex education is taught even to kindergarteners! While liberals like Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama claim that this is just to teach 5 yr olds what to do if someone inappropriately touches them, the fact remains that they also try to indoctrinate children in regard to what is "normal" sexual behavior or attractions. Why can't liberals understand that some things are best taught by PARENTS or GUARDIANS? Yet the parents do not have a right to exclude their children from such discussions. Liberals have taken this right away and given it to their own discretion.
California law makes it illegal for any child under the age of 18 to obtain an aspirin while at school without parental knowledge and consent. Yet the liberals in these local schools now allow any child between the ages of 10 and 17 to have a secret, tax-payer funded abortion WITHOUT THEIR PARENTS EVER KNOWING! The child will go to school like normal, but the school counselor will then take that child to the abortion clinic and have the procedure done -- regardless of whether the parents know or want it to occur. In fact, it is now illegal for the counselor, teacher or school administrator to even let the parents know that the girl was pregnant in the first place! Thus, the parents will have no idea on how to handle a situation for which they are completely unaware simply because the liberal governments prefer to have that right them. A young girl died a few years ago on the abortion table. Her parents were shocked to learn that their daughter was pregnant in the first place -- let alone dead at an abortion clinic. Yet the liberals in the government think that this is the best way. In fact, this mirrors legislation proposed by Obama when he was a state legislator in Chicago.
The liberal government in the San Francisco area prefers to define EVERYTHING. The liberal legislators create massive tax and fee propositions that help their liberal causes -- but refuse to give equal time to any other thought. The local "government access" papers and channels are even more liberally slanted than stations like CNN or MSNBC! Yet the liberals pride themselves on the paradise that they are building!
Barack Obama, the most inexperienced and liberal candidate to EVER run for the office of Commander-in-Chief, cleverly disguises his "change" rhetoric to avoid any reference to his liberal agenda. Yes, his call for "change" is inspiring -- AS LONG AS YOU DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS! If you want to know what type of "CHANGE" that Obama wants to bring -- just move to San Francisco for about six months. This is a lovely place to visit, but it is a terrible place to live. This is the most ardent example of "big brother" liberal government ideology in the nation. But if Obama is elected, it could be coming to your state. Although Obama claims that he isn't going to raise taxes on anyone other than incomes of $250K a year -- this plan includes businesses. Small businesses (like a local Subway restaurant) typically make that amount and the owners barely squeak by. Who do you think will take up the slack of Obama's tax increases? As the stock market struggles, what money do you think will be invested -- if that money is taken from our pockets by a "blank check" liberal government (especially since the Democrat-controlled, lowest-rated-in-history Congress is so thirsty for your hard earned $$$).
The bottom line is simple: AMERCICA NEEDS CHANGE -- BUT NOT OBAMA'S IDEA OF CHANGE. Obama's cleverly disguised liberalism is DANGEROUS! He truly thinks that Europe has a lot to teach America as far as society and economics are concerned. But the last time I checked, America was still the strongest and most free nation on the planet. We don't need Obama's hope for "change" -- a cleverly disguised plan for liberal BIG GOVERNMENT -- to diminish this nation.
The change that we need is found in Senator McCain. Even though Obama's minions are constantly repeating the same negative lies about the Senator, John McCain is the only honest, experienced and qualified person running for office. He will stand up to the lowest rated Congress in history, refuse to give them a blank check from our bank accounts, and keep America strong in defense and liberty. McCain will not negotiate with terrorists (Bill Ayers, anyone) -- but will hold them accountable for their evil rhetoric and actions.
Obama is just a prick who thinks far too highly of his inexperienced, liberal self. If he thought that the Democrats in Scranton, Pennsylvania were "bitter" -- wait until he realizes that Americans don't want liberals taking our hard-earned money or the inflation that will result from his hyper-liberal agenda! We don't need "4 more years of the last 8" -- but we sure as Hell don't need 4 years of ultra-liberal, "blank check" government in both the White House and Congress.
We need change. Senator John McCain and Governor Sarah Palin offer the ONLY change that can make this nation stronger and more economically, domestically and internationally secure.
. . . . Goodnight, peeps! I urge everyone to truly research the issues. This point in history is far too important to simply vote for fuzzy rhetoric about "change" that cleverly disguises a man's expensive liberalism behind words that scratch itching ears. We need an experienced leader to be our President and Commander-in-Chief -- not a far-left Hollywood celebrity. See ya in the morning! -
Put there by Obama and McCain to ask the questions they want to be asked.
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Oct 07, 2008 9:01:56 PM CDT
If this TB is indicative of current attitudes and intelligence
by amy chasing
in the US, then I dare say things will change as much with your new leader as they have in Australia with ours - ie. bugger all.
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but I am watching this debate: McCain scares the fuck outta me - Bush V2.0
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he sends us fear. That's all he republicans have to offer is fear. No progress comes from fear - only totalitarianism.
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Oct 07, 2008 9:06:52 PM CDT
Oh please ccchhhrrriiisssm! Your scaremongering won't work here.
by orionsangels
You don't work for Fox News do you? Did you know that during an interview with a live audience, Senator McCain praised President Bush on his leadership on the Iraq war and said, "I think the president has led with great clarity and I think he's done a great job leading the country, don't you all?" And asked if he think the president exaggerated the case for war, McCain said, "I don't think so. And I think that it's obvious that the 16 words should not have appeared in his speech. He acknowledged that again today. But I think that he made a strong case and I think that case has been verified with discovery of mass graves and the brutality of this incredible regime."
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Shut the fuck up!!!
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You are really a racist, aren't you? You have stereotyped African Americans as the whipping children of the liberals in the Democratic Party? How sad! You really need to wake up to the fact that the Democrats haven't helped any of us -- except to continuing to toss bones of welfare to our people. Last I checked, the balance of poverty has only grown since the majority of African Americans began supporting the Democrats (who, ironically, were the party of slaverty and Jim Crowe). So, no, a black man who votes for a Republican is like a black man in 1861 who wanted to be free. Abraham Lincoln, the first modern Republican President, was an answer to the prayers of many African Americans. I suppose that the difference between Republicans and Democrats is that Republicans really believe that African Americans are equals. Democrats think that we are so inferior that we cannot survive without the bones that they toss to us. It is sad, really. Well, I am off! See ya!
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McCancer, get you as far as possible away from leadership because I know you want to turn Iran into glass.
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I sure do love me some war. Look this colored fellow here can't lead the troops. It's all about white power! White America! We have to grow beards. Drink at bars. Hunt deer and kick ass! USA! USA! USA!
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Everything that one dude says it's true. It is liberal paradise. I love it.
p.s. The "high costs" that one dude speaks of is countered by higher minimum wage. Gas doesnt really matter. Buy a bike on craigslist.
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the vote to authorize the use of force in Iraq, who here thinks he would have voted no?
The guy would have gone the way of Hillary and the vast majority of congress and voted yes. It's so annoyingly convenient that he can pretend to have voted against the war when he wasn't even there, man.
No way he would have gone with the incredibly small # of senators voting against the resolution. No. Fucking. Way. Not in character for him at all.
And the war would have happened anyway (even if he'd voted against it). And he and Biden voted to de-fund the troops. And they didn't support the surge which has been successful (not that Obama has the ego strength to admit that). Obama's a compelling guy, very slick in every way. A media darling. But in the end, an Empty-suit noob. -
Oct 07, 2008 9:13:31 PM CDT
If he has followups i want followups! its no fair! waaah!
by orionsangels
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Your fucking running mate said it himself, you noob.
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Oct 07, 2008 9:15:01 PM CDT
Being white. Drinking at Bars. Hunting deers = Bush Voter
by orionsangels
You know, the dumb vote!
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Both candidates are just trying to have the final say for every point.
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If McCain gets in then keels over dead - holy fucking shit Palin, who I think is stupider than Bush is President of the most powerful country in the world.
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Here's a clue: if you look at the polls, it ain't Obama.
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you can't use the old "racist card" on me, fool. I'm Black too. And once again you're wrong. Dems have helped set up things for Black people to improve themselves, but too many of us have opted to do drugs, sell drugs, have kids and abandon them and shake their asses to music. And wow, what a lame version of history that you have. It was in the mid 1900s where the focus of the two parties changed. Lincoln republicans don't exist now. So yes voting for a republican is like voting for a nazi if you're a person of color. And Dems may have to throw bones because to many of us aren't doing what we should do to improve our lives. Yes... you've been trumped again, oh and if you can't afford to live in San Fran - don't live in San Fran.
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It's as simple as that. Anyone who doesn't acknowledge that is blinded by bias. I used to respect the man. But the disgusting campaign he's run and the absolutely pathetic running mate he chose (which is an insult to America) has run that well close to dry.
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This is my response. http://tinyurl.com/4ezmfg
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Oct 07, 2008 9:20:05 PM CDT
Fuck reps and libs! I'm not part of any biased political party.
by orionsangels
You all fall in line and defend your parties no matter what. You make me sick!
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he was out there speaking against the war, before they even voted.
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And that's your basis for KNOWING exactly how he would have voted? Right.
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Every time he chuckles it looks like the jaws of Alien preparing to extend! Creepy!
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A couple of weeks ago he insisted he lives in Washington DC. Now he sudeenly lives in San Francisco.
I seriously suspect he's/it's one of those spastic right-wing bloggers that Rove hired to harass non-Republicans on the net.
It's completely hopeless with those mouth breathers. Obama could come forth tonight with a 100% free and effective cure for leukemia, and before the debate is over they'd be posting all over the world, "MUSLIM TERRORIST OBAMA VOWS TO DESTROY THE AMERICAN CANCER SOCIETY!" -
Does McCain simply not hear Obama when he explains what he means?
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The man never seems to take the hard road, never saw a democrat bill he didn't like.
Don't you think Hillary would have opposed the war if she could have? She had to vote- go on the record.
Imagine if a ton of WMD's had been found in Iraq- anyone voting no on the resolution would have had egg on their face.
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That neatly summarizes McCain's performance.
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On what he doesn't know.
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McCain fought hard, but this race is over.
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Obama discussing his willingness to speak with Amhedinajhad without preconditions. It is quite explicit, without ambiguity in it's context.
He thought it was a cool answer, because the policy was different than the Bush policy. But he ended up looking like an ass. Now he's trying to revise history in any way to control the damage from his noob statement. Even saying- it's not Amedhinajad, it's the Mullahs who call the shots in Iraq. GIVE. ME. A. FUCKING. BREAK. -
Again, nobody can say for sure. But even if he would have, I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean though. It doesn't seem like a big deal that a politician would cover his ass.
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...not only do I doubt you're black, I kind of doubt you're actually human. Based on your posts here, I would bet that you're some kind of AI bot that runs on bullshit and straw. I hope DGDB saves a gallon or two of his most rancid for your gargling pleasure. Now fuck off.
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before when you were younger and only had two bouts with Cancer and not 4.
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McCain was being a jerk. He was taking shots at Obama all night. He even called Obama "that one".
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Nope. Not at all. Perhaps he does look like an ass. I was referring to when I have seen him explain what he meant.
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I couldn't believe McCain said he would BUY PEOPLE'S MORTGAGES???? Renegotiate interest rates?? He has no clue what kind of turmoil that would cause the market. Banks are already trying to get a handle on their assets and now McCain wants to throw a wrench into the machinery? Fucking idiot.
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Absolutely embarrassed Obama on foreign policy / military affairs. Obama may be ok in some areas, but not as C in C!
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Yeah, and Obama's never done that? lol. They're both getting down and dirty.. it's that time in the campaign.. getting close to election day.
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Ignore that one. He's just a cracker pretending to be black so he can go off on Obama.
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Fox news is actually not speaking well of McCain's mortage plan... so I'm not sure they're calling him a winner.
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Ned Beatty's speech from network.
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/mp3clips/newmoviespeeches/moviespeechnetwork4.mp3
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I agree with two-thirds of Anchorite.
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Oct 07, 2008 9:52:10 PM CDT
"Reject the talking points and start voting independent."
by kurutteru yatsu
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....yeah. Good luck with that on a national level.
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"Do you ever pay attention to the truth, or do you simply regurgitate the nonsense rhetoric that cleverly disguises Obama hyper-liberalism behind his call for "change?"Do you ever pay attention to who the small "c" conservative TB handles are on this website?DOUCHE?!Like McCain himself, you make it so very difficult for the rest of us. Now please try to let me be a good little Sarah and kindly FUCK OFF.
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he needed to have a knockout punch in this debate, and he didn't deliver. not only is he down an average 8 points in the polls, but he's not connecting with regular people.
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Harry. that's AWESOME animation you've got there dude! It took a sec.
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Most of them are good though
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what movie is it supposed to be from?
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It's a wash because this "town hall meeting" straight up sucked. Who the hell clocks responses in a town hall meeting? That's the most ridiculous thing ever. The YouTube primary debates were much better if they had to use a "town hall" format. Apparently, the GOP are already sending out e-mails making the point that this wasn't a town hall meeting at all. So, if McCain loses or even if it's a tie, they have something to complain about.
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It's 1992 all over again. All Uhhbummer has to do is don the shades and play sax. He'll win boner points if he bites his lip.
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For the love of god I know you were referring to the site but obviously you were prompted to write because of this article. Which you again called pro-Dem. If you'd brought up the omitted article in the first place, that'd be one thing. But you didn't so my first point stands: There was nothing in what Herc wrote or quoted that had a pro-Democrat slant.
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True.
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I can not fucking believe what you wrote about blacks. The most stereotypical bullshit that some redneck pretending to be black would write. I would bet my life you are not black . Chrism is a racist dick - whether he is black or not, but you are no better.
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I agree with that.
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Just you watch....
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I just asking, because I don't see it.
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CNN Poll in (for real):
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McCain. Their slogan is "Ahhh McCain, you've done it again."
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Watch the GOP try to link Obama to the Vegas area....
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You're right. He's even cooler....He's the MESSIAH...::eyeroll::
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Russman and Chrism are total assholes.
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I feel dumb.
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This guy has been desperate ever since he got Palin to be a running mate...
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Check Gallup/Rasmussen Reports. Every single polling has Obama up and most have him up by a substantial number. The only news I've been hearing is that McCain is being forced into a defensive position. He has to defend places like NC that are suppose to be "red," or at least "pink." Also, every single report I've seen this weekend even from conservatives like Karl Rove, has battleground states leaning Obama and his lead is growing in those states.
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McCain ... aw McCain. Nice job. Anyways McCain seemed lost until the final third. I mean he was literally wandering around the room when Obama was talking.Nearer to the end, McCain seemed like a coherent leader-type but I think it was too late by then, even though in contrast Obama was getting too loosey-goosey.
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But Node may be right about there being a latent racism involved.
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Be back in a sec.
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Palin should have thrown the towel sooner....
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Oct 07, 2008 10:13:42 PM CDT
John and Barry: Israel is the only nuclear power in the Mid East
by randysavage
Despite the rhetoric, Iran would never launch a direct attack on Israel because a nuclear retaliation isn't in Iran's interest. I can't stand how the "if-Israel-were-attacked" question is constantly brought up as if it were relevant, and Dems and Reps fall over each other to be the first to declare that America would "obliterate anyone who so much as looks threateningly at Israel." I want a president with the balls to say: No. No more billions in aid to Israel until they set GREEN LINE boundaries for a sovereign Palestine and leave the annexed land they've settled. That's the first and most basic step towards a lasting peace. But many in Israel refuse to return to the Green Line... maybe they will when US taxpayers stop paying for their military.
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McCain came off like a crotchity old coot and, more so, a big baby. "Then I get to respond tooooo!!!". Oh and Harry... that is the best animation you've ever had up. Hail the Prince of Darkness!!!
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...to talk about tonight.Other than McCain sucks. As in "wicked" sucks.We're talking Boston-level, Kennedy level "erm, ah, erma" WICKED sucks.I fucking hate that RINO for tarnishing Palin's star. But at least he hasn't taken Romney down with him, so there's still hope.
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I highly highly doubt McCain is or was being racist. But ... an old white man calling a younger dark-skinned man "that one" is going to come off pretty badly to a lot of people. It just sounds bad and racism is obviously a sensitive topic.
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Israel sits on 300 nuclear warheads and all we hear about is their fight for survival. How about the Palestinian right for survival and their land?!!!!
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A. Fucking. Men.
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I'll stop.
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The word 'one' is used to refer to a person all the time.
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In regards to McCain's Melanoma:
"Who would have thought in the first election with a Black candidate we'd be talking about the white guy's skin!"
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Oct 07, 2008 10:19:43 PM CDT
IT'S THE E..ah Fuck it ! if you don't know by now you will in No
by g100
Mortage buying was the McCain Gamble and policy announcement. Sadly it was complete lunacy if we were follish enough to take him at his word (he's lying by the way there is NO way he's going to buy up every bad Mortgage)
Besides what he most likely refers to is ALREADY part of the Bailout Rescue plan as it is. i.e.There IS provision for buying up a VERY small portion of some of the worst foreclosed properties but it's a tiny amount as announcing a buy up of every Bad Mortgage would be unprecedented CHAOS as people defaulted to let the Fed pay while sending houseprices through the floor. -
Okay, cool. Let's talk about it.So Israel points weapons at you. And you thrive.So?...Okay?...China is now pointing more than 700 missles at Taiwan. How do you feel about that?...You know, compare it to your current situation?...Hello?...Is this thing on...?
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American soldiers are dying for what? WMDs? Bin-Ladin? I am not sure... Even if you don't give a damn about Muslims, Arabs, other humans in the world, at least care enough about your countrymen to stop this destructive foreign policy that benefits few people...
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NOT A WHOLE LOT BUT LISTEN TO THE 2 TALK AND YOU'LL SEE THE SIMILARITY. ALSO,OBAMA SOUNDS LIKE THE ROCK!
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There is no way ANYone is going to buy up ANY bad mortgage.
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'One' maybe, although I can't think of an example, but 'that one'?
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Obama is leading by 100 electoral votes right now. The popular vote while important, is less so than where the votes are located.
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It's not sewn up but there's nothing looming that would change things substantially. So the safe bet would be Obama. Things change of course, but you can only go on what you know. Right now it's looking like Obama wins, but etc etc.
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I'd love to go into the whole polling by demographic thing, but I know that you already know all about it, so why bother... unless it were for the TB READERS..!!!!GAWD BLESS THE IGNORANT TB READERS...!!!...oh, the humanity...
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These candidates thread to close to putting a foreign nation's concerns above their own. Case in point, the US's economy is in the tank and yet the government gives billions and money AND weapons to Israel. Israel on top of that returns the favor by spying on the US and attacking US ships (see USS Liberty if you have the balls). Israel kills the US credibility in the Arab world because their inaction to the atrocities of the IDF prove that the US is not concerned with liberty or democracy or rule of law...
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One thing, and one thing only will change the election. A terrorist attack on U.S. soil. Otherwise, it is over.
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They already have. That's what most of the poisoned securites they are intending to buy in the auction contain. And THAT auction "my friends" (hehe) will be a clusterfuck that should be televised.
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Obama stayed for a half hour talking to all the participants.
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I most certainly am!
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As I understand it, the bailout is basically a purchase of a shitload of mortgages that are packaged together for investment. Some of those mortgages are bad; a lot more are good. It's not as simple as making a choice to buy or not buy them, but essentially everyone was freaked out about how many there are. The Fed bought them partially to free up the banks but also to try and kickstart confidence so they can be sold again.
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The first election between Bush and Gore was won by Bush how? And can this happen again?
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He's a busy man and that is taking up all his time now. As well as training Palin to parrot smears before she flees from the big scary reporters lest they DARE to ask her any questions.
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It was past his bedtime too.
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I think that's from John Carpenter's Prince of Darkness
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I think when the voter results start pouring in for each State in November. Righty Whitey will find a way to win this election. They'll find votes under the sofa, in their asses. They'll make up votes.
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It was supposed to be a town-hall style debate. Usually these are free-wheeling Q&A's with audience members, and often the questions are unique and/or unpredictable. The format (usually) works well, because candidates won't have pat answers for these questions, and we get to see how they think.
Brokaw dominated the whole thing and basically did his own open-ended interview of the candidates.
Boring. Boring. Boring. And not revealing at all.
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Are you expecting some primal gratification here?Please do keep expecting. Darwin would be proud.
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He was weaker than Ifill, given how many times he called his subjects to task, unsuccessfully.
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I don't really blame him. He didn't impose the structure, which was kind of antithetical to a "town hall" vibe. He did probably cling to the format longer than he should have, as they were obviously straining at times against it. But to give him credit, at one point he did finally say "fuck it". Kind of a tough spot for any moderator.
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Obama staying to talk speaks to both your points. He has a 49-State strategy that is plain working. He takes no one for granted - contrast that to McCain abandoning Michigan entirely, basically giving the state a fuck you.
And McCain saw people asking Obama to take pictures with them. Poor Johnny, no one wanted to take his picture so he cwied and weft the woom. -
Brokaw is the one that had teleprompter issues! Can't even say thanks for watching without a script. What a tool!
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Brokaw a few years ago said he hated the Internet and thought it ruined how News gets reported. He went on to say he misses how TV Anchor's would report the news. He also said video games are to blame for violence. He's just another bitter dinosaur who lived too long.
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No two ways around my DVR. The newsreader sucks almost as much as McCain!
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http://tinyurl.com/4ezmfg
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It aint over yet. I do not fault McCain for leaving Michigan, it is historically Democratic, and he has dwindling funds to use in order to defend his territory. I saw a troubling thing on CNN - for Obama. People in the audience seemed to like Obama better during debate, but when asked who they would vote for, by a one person majority, they chose McCain. Obama can not get too cocky and take it for granted. This thing is still fluid. I still think unless a terrorist attack takes place, that Obama wins. But we shall see.
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Isn't it a '57-state' strategy? Or is it a tactic? Those terms can be confusing to some.
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pointing out Warren Buffet being an Obama supporter. Thanks for that.
On the other hand, saying he'd make Meg Whitman treasury secretary was pretty damned stupid considering:
- Ebay just announced a layoff of 10% of its workforce
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Somehow I missed McCains statement about the 300 billion and interest renegotiation. Lot's of explaining needed for that. A reminder, however, last week Biden said in the debate that loans should be renegotiated as well. Except he stated the the principle should be renegotiated as well as the interest rate. What the hell was that about? changing an interest rate is a negotiation. Changing the principle amount is thievery.
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That's 12% more than I expected. Good job, Barry!
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And yet, none but liberal TB handles have slammed me since.Gosh, say it ain't so, but I'm itchin like Sarah Palin should swoop down and save my bottom by cracky!
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DEBATE THAT!!! Or don't. I don't care.
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I will be honest enough as a republican to admit it. McCain just supported an unpopular $ 700 billion dollar bailout that derailed his campaign and now he proposes another $ 300 billion--a plan, BTW, Hillary freaking Clinton suggested two weeks ago. he just lost every free market, small government conservative in the country. McCain is going to lose bigger than Dole in '96.
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Obama was the first one to whine about wanting to respond, so pbbbth!
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Oct 07, 2008 10:53:50 PM CDT
We're retarded white America! Walking stereotypes! Yeehaw!
by orionsangels
We live up to that standard. Let's go drink, hunt some deer and watch Fox News. One of them coloreds is running for President? yeehawhawhaw! Guzzle Guzzle Guzzle! Look der honey. It's a colored man on my TV!
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I wish Bill Hicks was still alive. I can't hear the laughter anymore. I miss the laughter.
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I guess they got my memo.
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to form my final opinion, but the footage looks great so far.
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...in an apartment full of college students, where me and an other guy tag-teamed what the ultimate presidential candidate would say at the debate.
You can bet there was a lot of profanity, crude humor, and our candidate specifically told the viewers at home to take a shot. Also, we picked out which of the audience members were characters on Heroes (I totally saw Angela Petrelli sitting behind The Haitian), suggested that the sitting down candidate should be making signs with his pad and paper, and believed that our candidate should walk over to that huge ass guy with the beard and make fun of him because he was obese.
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What McCain is proposing is taking taxpayer money giving to to mortgage lenders who lent money to people who should never have gotten loans to begin with. That means idiot, greedy lenders get rewarded, irresponsible people who took out loans they could not afford get free housing, and the taxpayers foot the bill for all of it.
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I'm just glad Obama didn't throw that stupid mortgage buyout idea out there. Where did McCain get the $300 Billion figure? Out his ass?
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What Orionsangels wrote back there.....uhm, yeah. Why not?...Yeah, vote for what Orionsangels has to say, or else. GAWDdamnit, or else. Yeah.YEAH!...YHeah.
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Oct 07, 2008 11:00:46 PM CDT
Fox News mentioned William Ayers 19 times after the Debate
by orionsangels
Obama and Terrorist in the same senetence 13 times. I was counting. When you think Obama, think Terrorist. Thanks Hannity! The funny thing is, Hannity end his report tonight with the statement. "They know my history on fighting against racism!" Yeah when I think of fighting Racism I think of you Hannity. Hahaha!
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Well that just tells me you're one of them and I hit you where it hurts. I wasn't targetting all white people, but the ones I was, well you know who you are.
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Then America gets a fresh start, everybody has the same amount of money. Like Monopoly.
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thought AICN's election coverage was a bad idea?
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Some of us are native.And since you feel so strongly as you do -- we ultimately agree. And we truly wish for you to get off our lawn.
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Tarantino rules.
http://tinyurl.com/4staux
The Germans' sphincters were already tightened by Valkyrie and now this! Guess they'll never live down that whole holocaust thing. -
That he won buy McCain failing has nothing to do with anything. I HATE WRITING THIS.Welcome back Carter. "In gas lines we will wait according to our license plate, welcome back..."
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Oct 07, 2008 11:20:42 PM CDT
You guys are focusing on the wrong aspects of the debate...
by pirateemery
We should really be talking about that one chick in the audience that looked like Elton John. I still can't believe that I am the only one to have mentioned her.
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Only fools quote ONE SINGLE POLL to prove their "point." If you care about polls at all, you make a poll of polls - a rolling average of the polls that have come out over the last 4 or 5 days.
And secondly, only dumbasses use national polls anyway - the election isn't decided by popular vote, it is decided by the ELECTORAL COLLEGE.
www.real clear politics.com (remove the spaces of course)
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Oct 07, 2008 11:22:49 PM CDT
Nice try Immortal_Fish, but I'm not Mexican, thank God. Hahaha!
by orionsangels
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The point was (since it seems to have sailed over your head)that McCain said he would buy up Bad Mortgages. He was of course vague because it was a DESPERATE last gasp GAMBLE to get some traction on the Economy. (A new Policy GAMBLE some of us predicted he would likely make yesterday before the debate. Did you ? Though not.)
Sadly for him the only people buying up the Bad Mortgages are the Fed and his plan is simply insane if we take it at face value.
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The Bush administration has just about led us to the Gas lines. What the hell are you talking about?
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Sorry, dude. I hope by now you realize the BSB terms of endearment.At any rate, we are in a post 9-11 atmosphere. It will be interesting to see if the climate has room to accept a viet nam radical over a vet that experienced far worse.Our opinions may differ, of course.
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Before and after the recent Hurricanes, States including Alabama, Arkansas, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Kentucky, Michigan, Missouri, North Carolina, South Carolina, Texas, and Virginia are threatening hefty penalties for companies that raise their prices too quickly or too much.
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If your strategy is to lord supremacy over those who have already yielded, well, then, good luck with that and a hearty fuck you too! You've earned it.
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This is a pressing matter and it is shameful that we as Americans are not talking about it!
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mah friends, mah friends, mah friends, mah friends, mah friends." - John McCain
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The same media, that despite Obama twice and Biden once winning the debates in independent voter polls and Obama moving up in the polls post debate, they still don't declare Obama/Biden the winners?
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Funny you should mention Carter era gas prices. It reminded me of the "Carter Doctrine" Remember that? Carter stated that the United States would use military force if necessary to defend its national interests in the Persian Gulf region, specifically regarding oil. It was ostensibly directed at the Soviet Union, but could be generally applied towards any foreign attempt to interrupt the flow of oil into the country. To paraphrase Charlie Gibson, do you agree with the Carter Doctrine that war for oil is OK?
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"Let our position be absolutely clear: An attempt by any outside force to gain control of the Persian Gulf region will be regarded as an assault on the vital interests of the United States of America, and such an assault will be repelled by any means necessary, including military force" Jimmy Carter, State of the Union 1980
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First off, in my opinion, Obama won the debate.
Secondly, my reference to the Bush/Bin Laden connection was to state how hypocritical Rush Limbaugh and certain people like Fox News, Drudge etc... When their candidate has an obivious connection with the family who had a member in it who directed the worst attack on American soil in history, i guess its a none issue to them. Yes McCain is the candidate this year, but what i am saying speaks to the credibility of the right wing media and people who are now outraged by associations. Remember, the right wing media defended the policies of George W. Bush for years. It was only when the polls showed, during a presidential election, that they have to cool their heels and distanced themselves from this administration.
And oh yeah, the US Military trained Osama Bin Laden in the ways of war in the mountains of Afghanistan during the 1980s. Destruction breeds destruction. Our bombs, while they do kill monsters, sometimes also create them.
And I'm sure some of the Bin Ladens are very nice people. I just wish our presidents past commercial ventures hadn't been subsidized by them. Hannity and Rush didn't have a problem with that. Talk about wackness!
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I always thought that Obama would be CarterII. Obama is nowhere near as tough as Carter was.
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Velma from Scooby Doo?
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She's a little blonder than Velma.
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Especially when he said "We will kill Bin Laden we will crush Al Qaeda, that has to be our biggest national security priority" and that if Pakistan was unwilling or unable to move in on Osama bin Laden, he would attack. Yeah Carter would say that.
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blonder or not, sounds like Velma.
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How many times did McCain say that? When I was trying to listen to him it was driving me nuts. Patronizing to say the least.
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only he couldn't remember how the rest of the line went.
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And not a single cent to the middle class, which is exactly what Bill Clinton did, which led to the greatest economic expansion in the country's history!
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Very nice name calling... but you haven't said anything to prove me wrong and yeah, I was lying and I'm right.
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Definitely Michele overall. Cindy can look sweet but there are times that she kinda looks like Jeremy Irons in The Time Machine. Ralph Nader is not even married is he?
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I thought the debate was a draw with the same questions and answers we've heard before. Obama is playing it safe cause he's ahead according to the pools, and McCain did nothing to change the game for him. Look I'm for Obama, but i'm not convinced after this economic mess that he'll accomplish much. He'll get blamed and if he wins if nothing changes and a Republican will win in 4 years. Whites will use Obama to jusge all blacks. I could go on, but aprt of me wants mcCain to win so he can fix this mess that Bush and his croonies caused.
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The polls are to close for my tastes. Obama has an alright lead, but he truth is polls regarding Obama isn't a 100 percent accurate or as accurate as a white candiate. The problem is you have the Bradly effect(whites lie to pollsters not to come across as racist or biased aganinst a black candiate) that will hurt Obama. I still say race is a bigger issue and the media is downplaying it.
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Either everyone's conceding that tonight was a wash and/or irrelevant and Obama has it in the bag, or the whole thing just wasn't that interesting. I did hear a joke that 'that one' is the singular form of 'you people'! Frankly, I don't think it's that big of a deal. But maybe McCain will get a sympathy vote since he looked so pathetic hobbling around the stage. Yeah, I know it's his POW injuries and all that, but that kind of physicality isn't helping his image, I'm sure.
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Oct 08, 2008 1:22:27 AM CDT
Obama aint got it in the bag. I still say it's up in the air
by the founder
I don't know who's going to win. If it was a Hillary clinton or John Edwards running, then i could believe those polls, but a black man? Not so sure all the white people will actually get in that booth and push the button for Obama. Also with all this mudslinging and using that muslim, and terroist crap to pin Obama that it could turn the race. A lot of people already are looking for an excuse to use against obama as a reason not to vote. Most people are stupid and vote for who they like and who's cute a folksy like dear Sara Palin. People dont vote for what's best for them. Il be surprised if Obama wins. really. Not being negative and I for Obama, but I never give the American electorate the benefit of the doubt.
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Oct 08, 2008 1:31:13 AM CDT
Is it possible to be waiting for the final result with interest
by amy chasing
and yet be totally over the whole election malarky. Honestly you Yanks sure know how to drag out a campaign. It's felt like the past year Bush wasn't in office, just a three-way between Obama, Hillary and McCain.
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As we've learned in the past none of these polls mean anything. Case in point, 2004 exit polls had Kerry in the lead. VOTE, geeks, VOTE!
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Given the choice of the major networks and PBS, I opted to watch on C-Span. I love that they show the question on screen during the answer so when either candied date goes all Palin and changes the subject and talks about whatever's in their notes, they look like crazy idiots that didn't understand the question. They also had some great shots of candied dates in front of the traffic lights so you could see them talk through the blinking green, the orange and the red and you knew they could see it too and just didn't know how to shut up or wrap up a point without reciting their practiced answers.With all do respect to our friends in the entertainment industry, if you make a quarter million dollars a year, just shut up and pay your damn taxes and be glad you're not sitting in some mud puddle eating lice.
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Mclame and nobama
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Same old talking points we've heard in speeches, it's getting old. At this point nothing either of them say is going to change anyone's mind.
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I totally agree with you about Ron Paul.
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Hope South Park spices things up tonight.
Douche,....meet turd sandwich.
I think now,more than ever,....I/we should understand why Washington was opposed to political parties.
They do not work for US,....they work for themselves and their own interests instead of everyday people.
If you are an admitted dem or rep,...you are a sheep in the "herd".
Smart and intelligent people do not excell to work for the Govt in ANY nation.
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HE'S A MINDLESS IDIOT!!! Sorry dude. Scaremongering won't work anymore. Go back to 6 years ago
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COMEDY GOLD. wiped that smug grin off mccains face in front of the whole world. mr. mccain, i am looking at YOU and laughing.
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Didn't really accomplish much. More of the same.
And to the guy acting like Ron Paul is the true messiah, and telling everyone to fuck off. The guy's a nut who will never be President for a reason. He wants to repeal Roe v Wade, overturn almost all gun control laws. -
anyone reminded by Phantasm's Tall Man whenver they see McCain especially whenever he grins with those fish teeth of his.
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People will not wake up to reality until there is blood in the streets. That day is near. www.infowars.com
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Overturning gun control laws wouldn't make it harder for anyone to get a gun. It would make it easier.
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Oct 08, 2008 3:46:49 AM CDT
once again -- Senator McCain didn't mention the middle class a s
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After the last one you think he would have....I guess he really does not care about the middle class.
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..and call Obama a N****r.It was loke, any moment now it's either that or he'll say Blacks make for lousy politicians (citing examples like DC Mayor Marrion Barry.)So desperate is he.Well, after he loses this election he can always be a extra in George A. Romero's next Zombie opus.
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Using fuck, pussy and similar expletives doesn't make either your argument more compelling or give you more credibility or make you come accross other than the pathetic pubescent little whiner that you are.
No Ron Paul can save you.
No Barack Obama can save you.
No John McCain can save you.
As a matter of fact, nothing can save you.
All decisions partaining to any future developments of your country have already been made long ago and if you think you're living in a democracy where you have any say whatsoever in influencing these decisions, you need to get educated, which I'm sure you're too dumbed down and lethargic to do, so don't complain about the consequences and blame anybody other than yourself.
You're not part of the solution, you're not even part of the problem as there is no problem as there is only anger at the realization you're not part of anything except as onlooker while events to big for you to either control or understand pass you buy. -
Notice how he, that is McSame, was kinda doddering, zombielike, around the floor, stiffly gesturing with his stubby arms? At first I thought he actually was a zombie who wandered into the studio, but then I realized that he crapped his Depends and just felt uncomfortable. Poor Grandpa Also-Ran, time to retire cause you're done.
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You can disagree with Mccain's politics all day long... but the moment you start attacking him as a person and spouting off your childish nonsense, it makes you seem like an incoherent degenerate. When you say something so stupid... you only do damage to yourself.
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Oct 08, 2008 5:49:12 AM CDT
Actually, I Think I'll Attack Both His Policies And His Person
by laserpants
Its my right as an American citizen. Why do you hate America Alucinator? The baby Jesus is weeping for you now. And so is McSame. Oh, no, wait, he's crying because he forgot wear he lives and can't find his way home. HIs Depends are filled with excrement and he needs to find a changing station. If only those orderlies would help him. Remember the good ole days? Yeah, him neither.
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Even though we won't see any of the oil for well over 10 years, most of that will be exported to other countries, making sure that the price of oil will continue to rise for us. Why? Because of McSame/Bush's policies of deregulating the oil and banking industries. Hey, isnt that interesting that McSAme was also involved in the Savings and Loan scandal of the 80s? The Keating Five? So not only is he old and out of touch, he is one of the primary reasons we're in the multiple headed mess we're in today (and thats without even going into the Iraq situation which McSame has been digging his own (and our) graves for years). Its done, McSame. Check into the assisted living community and bow out with whatever shread of dignity you still have left.
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Rep. VP nominee Sarah Palin's remark about last night's debate overheard while guzzling MGD at a North Florida pub during her campaign stop...
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It is your right to butcher the English language as well. You can say whatever you want about Mccain, it doesn't make you right, or any less of a moron. It's guys like Mccain that allow you to live in a country where you have the freedoms to run your mouth off like a fool.
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When McCain said he went to Washington to work on the bailout, when in reality he sabotaged the thing resulting in billions more in pork. This man is a pathological liar. He just can't stand losing to a darkie.
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Oct 08, 2008 6:28:36 AM CDT
ALUCINOR: MCCAIN IS THE ONE WHO MADE THIS A PERSONALITY CONTEST
by bringingsexyback
Don't make it like he's so innocent.
What exactly is so great about him?
And how is it that "it's guys like Mccain that allow you to live in a country where you have the freedoms to run your mouth off"?
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Totally agree I dont understand at all why people love to bring up the fact he served in the military yet gloss over the fact he crashed his plane 5 TIMES and blew a massive hole through a carrier that killed a lot of sailors (albeit accidentally) before getting captured. Not to mention McCain fought in a war WE LOSS. This idea that democrats (a good many of whom went to vietnam, korea,and the gulf war) dont support the military is got to be one of the WORST fallacies that the republican party spread in a effort to get us into the Iraq war. Its garbage and any republican who spouts it should be tried for treason.
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I didn't know McCain did that. He is a massive fuck-up, and a raging asshole on top of it. This campaign has completely debunked his own myth-making. Fuck that gambling addict, campaign-first, racist son of a bitch.
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Go and tell any politician, Democrat or Republican, that John Mccain is any of the things BringingSexyBack says he is and they will laugh in your face and throw you out of the building. Don't act like you know anything about Mccain when all you are doing is regurgitating someone else's nonsense. I have talked to many people who have actually met and know John Mccain. I'm not saying you should vote for him because he is a great man, I'm saying you should respect him. As for why he deserves our respect? How about being in the military to begin with? What the hell are you guys doing for American that makes you so much better than Mccain? I'm not even going to touch on the whole, getting captured and tortured and never talking thing... or the fact that he stayed behind for his fellow POWs when he could have left... hopefully you have heard about this somewhere? So now he's racist and a gambling addict? Reaching a little too hard there? Are you referring to his "That one" statement? Penn Jillette refers to the Democratic party as the party of hate... for voting for a party that claims to be more tolerant, you guys sure are a bunch of ass holes. All presidential elections are a personality contest. Why do you think Obama tries to be such a nice guy all the time?
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Oct 08, 2008 7:07:36 AM CDT
Reading chrism and russman I'm reminded....
by half-baked-goggle-box-do-gooder
...of a recent article (I think it was in Scientific American) that had the numbers on how the 12% of the population that are actually in the lowest IQ range are also in the top 5% that are convinced that they themselves are fucking geniuses....
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Looked pretty even to me, but I think Lurch had a slight edge over Uncle Fester.
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The explosion and fire aboard the Forester was not McCain's fault. He was a spectator. He did run for his life when others rallied crews to fight the fire. He then left the ship with the reporters who came to report on the fire so he could take some leave.
McCain's heroism as a POW has been embellished. He did talk. He stayed because he would have had to commit court-martial offenses to be released early.
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even better.
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Scares the fuck out of me.So let's see, we'll reward those Americans who made piss poor decisions on buying houses they couldn't afford or getting into variable interest rate mortgages. We'll reassess those homes at lower market rates. So what happens when we do that? Well tax revenues go down for those towns, so what will they do to offset that lost revenue stream? Raise mill rates of course. So for those of us who have been good mortgage payers, we'll end up paying more in taxes. Fuck you McCain.
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figures throughout the debate.Knuckleheads.
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Game over.
Welcome to the White House, President Obama.
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No, I don't even mean "Hussein". His name simply is not Barack - a renowned political analyst recently uncovered that truth:
http://kottke.org/08/03/dmx-hasnt-heard-of-barack-obama
Some quotes from his dissertation to consider:
"What the fuck is a Barack? That ain't no fuckin' name, yo. Get the fuck outta here. Your momma ain’t name you no damn Barack."
Vote Cthulhu.
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http://www.thatone08.com
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Most embarassing moment for McCain was after trounced him on health care JM attempted a joke about fines that fell flatter than Keira Knightley's chest.
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"That one" won't account for the source of MILLIONS of DOLLARS in donations while it is KNOWN that not only is much of the $$$ coming from overseas, but ALSO FROM MUSLIM EXTREMISTS. It's a fact folks - he's been forced to give back about 100 grand already. When he gets in office (yes, unfortunately when) the truth will come out - he'll play dumb and just have to pay it back. Am I saying he's a terrorist? No. That's dumb. But considering Rev Wright, Ayers and this... I do question his sense, integrity and judgement. I'm so fucking sick of the claims of racism in this country.
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That means racisms is dead right? So no longer can these worthless fucks cry about not having opportunities since we can now say...ya know...you CAN become President of the United States. SO GET OFF YOUR LAZY ASS AND GET A JOB!
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Do you also question McCain's sense, integrity and judgment?
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I'm sick of it because the left are the MASTERS of fear mongering. What's worse? Saying something like 911 that HAS ACTUALLY happened already could happen again or saying that THE WORLD IS COMING TO AN END!!!! Unless we control cow farts and and ride hemp bikes.
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Yes. I just happen to barely agree with him more than Obama. Of course, then you throw ol Palin in the mix and I just shake my head in confusion and walk away.
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Oh Jesus Christ what a fucking ass whipping. I did not expect that. There is no argument in McCain's defense. He looked old, ill informed, out of breath, and exhausted. He is finished. Look at the fucking poll numbers coming out of the debate. No way to spin that shit. This was the final nail in his coffin.
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So then why do you go on and on about Obama's lack of judgment/character, and not McCain's? Or Palin's?
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You're a racist piece of shit just like your candidate.
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To see two would be leaders of the world groveling, begging and kissing up to a bunch of common schmucks to get elected. Ceaser would have pissed on this crowd of whiners.
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.....to tear through McCain's face spewing tapioca like right wing venom across the room in rage. That thing would look like the fucking rotten apple head at the end of Evil Dead II.
Remember kids....
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Well, ya'll have done a good job of that already. Seriously. These were facts about Obama that I didn't see discussed so I tossed them into the mix. Plus, the whole That On thing really pissed me off. Was it a dumb choice of words? YES. Because any fool should know that in THIS country if you're a rich white guy you are better off not talking at all. Oh and you should feel GUILTY about being successful too! God damn what has happened to this country?
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Oct 08, 2008 9:21:24 AM CDT
hair transplant joke followed by......cricket....cricket......
by dannyglovers_dickblood
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...like nobody else.And when the left talks about environmental impact, believe me, they have good reason. If you'd open your damn eyes and not be so Americentric, jones1899, you'd see how the environment is having a devastating effect on other nations and is killing thousands. And let's face it, you have a better chance of dying in a hurricane, in a flood, from heat exhaustion, melanoma caused by harmful UV rays or food contamination than you do from a terrorist attack.For many third world countries screwed over by Western influences and industry, the world HAS come to an end, you ignorant cock.
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Haha. That was funny.
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McCain had no response. "I was joking with a veteran." Oh ok. Then it's ok. Pitiful.
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Don't ever use the contraction "YA'LL" in my presence please....
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That joke fucking BOMBED. LOL.
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Did you see Lewis Black on Daily last night? On McCain's melanoma:
"Who would have thought in the first election with a black candidate we'd be talking about the white guy's skin!"
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Oct 08, 2008 9:27:15 AM CDT
who the fuck is telling him to say that KGB bullshit?
by dannyglovers_dickblood
"I saw three letters....the K...the G...and the B." Uhhhhh....old man. Nobody fucking cares. For one thing most of the country doesn't even know what the fuck the KGB is, and those who do don't give a shit considering the fact that you are talking about looking into someone's soul. Shut the fuck up. His same stories he has been repeating to the same crowds for years are getting very tired. I almost feel bad for him. Its like the senile Grandpa that tells the same story of that hot rod he used to own. You've heard it a thousand times but you say, "No....I never heard that one Grandpa," just to be nice.
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"you should feel GUILTY about being successful too"McCain owes all his success to legacy and jumping onto the gravy train. If he had actually got his hands dirty to make his fortune, I'd have some respect for the guy. Unfortunately, McCain smacks of the AIG executive crowd who took an $85B bailout on my dime and then decided to reward themselves by spending half a million smackeroos at a luxury retreat.And to all your dumbass rightwing morons who can't understand why the left is so intolerant of the rich, it's because of crap like this which shows that much of the wealthy in this country are amoral scumbags who feel entitled when they either haven't done a damn thing to earn it or stepped on countless people on their way tot he top.
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You really are a racist piece of shit. That term is thrown around here too often, but it fits you like a glove. You are also a dumbass - Obama has raised 450 Million dollars, and returning 100K is peanuts. Every candidate returns money - Every one of them. Because they can not control which nutcases send them funds. You are a fucking racist moron. And you will deserve all the explosive monkey shit the TB'ers will throw at you. I hope they mix crazy glue in that monkey shit as well - because no one deserves to wear it around here more than you.
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I have never once heard one of these "Bitter Democrats" speak of someone who worked their ass off to get where they are, and led a fair and moral life at the top. Nobody mentions these people. Because they are the true American dream. We mentioned the corrupt scumbags that should be in jail. When it comes to them-- yes, we get pretty fucking bitter.
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that one
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I think the 'Straight Talk Express' lost a wheel on that one."
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Thanks for the link and God Bless America in all its money-making velocity. Truly a beautiful thing.
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http://tinyurl.com/49jkop
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Worthless. Cause of all bad things. Does no good for anyone. Pathetic.
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Oct 08, 2008 9:46:43 AM CDT
And I'm not above pointing out scumbags on the left
by hawaiian organ donor
4 of the Keating 5 were Dems. That Jefferson piece of filth that was stashing money is his friggin fridge. There's a lot of folks on the left who need to be dropped into the woodchipper as well.But it's just that halo of arrogance the right wears when they accuse Obama of being an elitist while wearing $500 shoes and not being able to even guess how many properties they own. Or accusing me of being bitter about their wealth and success when their immoral shenanigans have put the taxpayer on the line to the tune of a trillion clams.I don't envy anyone, but I sure as hell resent more than I can count.
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That Obama won't disclose the source of that much $$$ Again, not saying the dude's a terrorist, but he sure does have enough questionable friends to at least warrant some discussion on both sides? No? Oh...wait...he's perfect? Untouchable? Wow, that is unhealthy.
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How many times did we have to hear him whine about time limits?
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Oct 08, 2008 9:53:09 AM CDT
jones1899 --Yes....compared to McCain....he is perfect.
by dannyglovers_dickblood
I don't need to question him. So fuck off.
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oh yeah, McCain's complete incompetence as a pilot is often forgotten, but McCain's own autobiography tells about how he was insubordinate, hotheaded, out of his league and would have been booted out of the military if it wasn't for his father's influence. Seems like the guy couldn't get into a plane without crashing it. Yes, the carrier incident was an accident, but it did come from his plane and he bailed out and hid under the deck while the rest of his crew scrambled to save lives (even though 134 were lost), after which he took off with a reporter. Talk about not taking responsibilities for his fuckups. He was more concerned with his career than the lives of his crew. It's in his OWN book. Honor, my ass.
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Perfect? Really? That is scary.
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I'm SOMEWHAT playing devils advocate here. While I will vote McCain (i know, i suck) I don't really like the guy anymore than Obama. But things are getting ridiculous here in so many ways. Both of these guys are FAR FROM PERFECT.
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....if its McCain or Obama. Obama is perfect in my eyes and I'm not gonna waste anymore time fucking around and pretending to be objective. One of them has to win. So I refuse to say one word that weakens Obama.
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You think McCain's a swell guy because he served in the military? Maybe you also hold unconditional respect for Reverend Wright then - he is a former Marine. Tell me how much you respect him.
Everybody in Washington thinks McCain's a swell guy? Keep dreaming. His nasty temperament has been the talk of Washington for decades and only until recently, when he's been in the national spotlight has the nation witnessed it firsthand. You obviously haven't been watching the same interviews I have - he's condescending, disrespectful and contemptible. The day you convince anyone otherwise is the day the country has a case of collective amnesia. Good luck with that. -
And I've said this time and time again....the Republican tactic is to say things like "Both of these guys are FAR FROM PERFECT. " Republicans are ashamed of McCain. Even those who will vote for him like yourself, admit to doing it with much hesitation. No one is energized over McCain except for a handful of complete whackos. The general Republican tactic is not to say McCain is better than Obama (because we all know that is complete horse shit) so now they will say things like, "Both of these guys are FAR FROM PERFECT," in a desperate attempt to get Obama supporters to think all politicians are scum. All politicians may very well be scum. But this is a tactic to derail Obama supporters from being so passionate about supporting him. Its not gonna work. This will be a fucking landslide.
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The Racism is dead thing was obviously a joke, though I do think it's takes a bit of wind out of the sails of the whole blaming racism on every problem out there. Does racism exist? Yes. Are some at a disadvantage bc of it? Yes. Does the fact that there's a black Prez mean it may be less a problem at least by a hair than people think? YES. Lighten up folks.
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On his former position of limiting campaign contributions. I mean the only thing that's really going to change anything in Washington is to keep the bastards on K street from bribing our senators and representatives to ignore the public interest in favor of private. Let's face it, it's not Main street or Wall Street that runs this country, it's K Street.
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Y'all.
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Look, you won't find a liberal in the whole US of A who condemns Obama as much as I do. The guys here can attest to the frequency with which I've called him every name in the book.But for all those on the right who are questioning his friends, they need look no further than the man they elected TWICE as his questionable relationships with the Saudis and more importantly, the bid Laden family.Who the hell is Palin to bring up Ayers and his bombings when Obama was 8 years old without reminding the audience how Bush is in bed with the very people who despise this country and probably were dancing in their palaces when the planes hit the buildings. Bush and his father have some VERY questionable ties. Yet only Michael Moore was willing to connect the dots and the right called him a fatf**k fruitcake. Oh, but now they're lapping up Obama's questionable connections like it's chocolate coated pussy juice.So once again, just like their calling Obama an elitist, it's disingenuous for them to question That One's relationships without realizing that the leader of their party (and many others) are in bed with people that not only wish us harm, but are directly related to those who carried out the single greatest attack on our soil.
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I think secretly he's a black Israelite. Those guys are funny.
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It's not really a tactic when I say McCain is far from perfect or Obama is far from perfect. It's just how I feel. I would love to have a candidate that I feel excited by - like Obama no doubt does for you... But there is not one person out there that I would refer to as PERFECT. You can't be serious!
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Oct 08, 2008 10:08:20 AM CDT
jones1899 -- OBAMA IS PERFECT FOR THIS COUNTRY.....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
....right now. We need him.
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The networks did some quick editing last night to cut that out. Personally, I am outraged.
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Oct 08, 2008 10:09:39 AM CDT
IF YOU STARE AT OBAMA'S FACE LONG ENOUGH YOU SEE JESUS
by bringingsexyback
That's why he's got my vote.
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Not when you say racist shit like this: " So no longer can these worthless fucks cry about not having opportunities since we can now say...ya know...you CAN become President of the United States. SO GET OFF YOUR LAZY ASS AND GET A JOB!" You are a racist piece of refried shit.
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We're coming up on Halloween after all.
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So, we agree on that.
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McCain has most assuredly lost this election, but now I'm worried about his legacy. Once, he was a guy who got screwed by Bush's Rovian campaign, someone trusted and credible who might have been president during 9-11. And now, anything he once did for this country, his whole history of service, is going to be eclipsed by September-October 2008. He's not going to win anymore and this negative stuff is shit. It's shit. He needs to come out with new policy ideas and reinforce opposition to new spending, talk to Obama privately and discuss how he can work with him to influence a new foreign policy stance, and essentially try to reboot a shinier conservative image for 2012. Now's the time to raise the level of debate, McCain! As for Obama, there's no need to bring up Keating at this point, drop it. It's stupid bullshit. This election will not be a repreat of 2004. Kerry was afriad of negative ads, so he defended himself and lost. Now, Obama thinks he's learned a lesson. He is afraid of negative ads, so he coutnerattacks with his own. Epic fail. I have a beter solution: Simply don't be afraid. Ignore them completely and reinforce your message. Rovian tactics suggest that independant voters should be turned off and not vote, so neither candidate should be buying it. Keep them engaged, speak to them, and negative ads become pointless fluff that only hurt your opponent.
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I guarantee if McCain was 10 points head in the polls and his campaign wasn't turning to warm pigeon shit.....you and others like you would not be throwing around this, "Both candidates are flawed" propaganda. If McCain was ahead you would be 100% behind him, slamming Obama every chance you get. McCain would be the Messiah and you fucking know it. But since its quite the opposite suddenly every right winger on these boards wants to be fair and say, "All politicians are flawed.....bla bla bla." FUCK OFF. -
No one gives a shit cause he was overtly racist about asian peoples - referring to his captors as gooks. Now yeah, sure, I can't imagine what it's like to be a captor for four years and what that might create in me, but the fact that while running for president in the year 2000 the man saw his captors through the prism of race rather than situation means one thing to me: he's a fucking racist. Period. Even after a stubborn refusal to apologize of course he apologized. Had McCain been captured by Germans in WWII would he say "I will always hate the crackers." Now he's stoking the engines at rallies where the crowd collectively boo the press. His campaign has been fettered with lies and hypocrisy consistently, and now he's trashing it all, avoiding any straight talk about issues for character assasination of Obama. All politicians are dirty or have casual associations with some unsavory people - but the fact is that Obama is one of the least dirty there ever has been. Hell, JFK was dirtier than a coal miner in a shitstorm.
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http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/hongop.shtml
On his campaign bus recently, Sen. John McCain told reporters, "I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live." Although McCain said he was referring only to his prison guards, there are many reasons why his use of the word "gook" is offensive and alarming.
It is offensive because by using a racial epithet that has historically been used to demean all Asians to describe his captors, McCain failed to make a distinction between his torturers and an entire racial group.
It is alarming because a major candidate for president publicly used a racial epithet, refused to apologize for doing so and remains a legitimate contender.
Contrary to McCain's attempt to narrowly define "gook" to mean only his "sadistic" captors, this term has historically been used to describe all Asians. McCain said that "gook" was the most "polite" term he could find to describe his captors, but because it is simply a pejorative term for Asians, he insulted his captors simply by calling them "Asians" -- a clearly disturbing message. To the Asian American community, the term is akin to the racist word "nigger." A friend of mine, a white male Vietnam veteran, pointed out that veterans, especially Vietnam veterans, know how spiteful the term "gook" is. It has everything to do with labeling someone as "other," the enemy and yellow. McCain sent the message that all Asians are foreigners and remain forever the "other" and the enemy.
The perception of Asians as "foreigners" or "the other" isn't new. This sentiment is what led to passage of the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882 and the Japanese American internment during World War II. The internment of Japanese Americans is now recognized as one of the worst civil rights violations in our country's history and a powerful lesson in what can happen when race alone is used as a test for loyalty or who is defined as an American.
We've made tremendous progress as a nation in overcoming racism. That is why it is so disturbing that a major candidate for the U.S. president can perpetuate the stereotype of Asians as permanent foreigners, hurtling us backward to a time and a place where such racial epithets were an acceptable part of mainstream discourse.
What makes this incident even more disturbing is how neither the media nor the other presidential candidates have highlighted that his use of a racist term is unacceptable.
Asian Americans are one of the fastest growing minority populations in the United States. And the media's choice to ignore or excuse McCain's behavior is a painful reminder that Asians remain outsiders on the back steps of national American politics.
McCain's main campaign message is inclusion. What his actions have told me, however, is that his inclusion does not include people who look like me.
I love this country just as much as McCain does, and I am committed to serving my community and my country. That is the reason I have entered a career in public service and why I am committed to making America a great country where equal opportunity and justice for everyone is a reality and not just a vision.
This is also why I am so hurt by McCain's comment: He has reminded me that despite my commitment to serving my country, there are still some people in this country who would first perceive me as the enemy.
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2000/02/18/MN32194.DTL
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I was born in Mexico and came to this country when I was 6. I take offense to your "refried" comment and believe that YOU are a RACIST. RACIST!!!!!!!
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Oct 08, 2008 10:20:26 AM CDT
PALIN WILL GO BACK TO ALASKA WITH HER TAIL BETWEEN HER LEGS
by bringingsexyback
The media will follow her story well after the election. It's over for her. She's made her state a national joke. And you can bet Bristol won't be marrying the walking moosehead. Mark my words, take it to the bank.
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Oct 08, 2008 10:26:54 AM CDT
I was thinking about Palin the other day.....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
...thats gonna be really bizarre for her when they lose and she goes back to Alaska. It might end her run in politics. I could see someone getting so disillusioned with the process and never wanting to go back. But imagine in like 20 years when she is sitting there with her husband saying, "Hey...remember that time when they thought I could be Vice President? That was a weird few months."
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And England suing Iceland over suspension of withdrawals from their banks by British depositors? I sense a global collapse on the scale of McCain's campaign very soon. Or maybe not. Who the fuck knows, but it's fun to speculate.
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Seriously. If it weren't for the campaign....this site would be fucking absolute cold dead shit right now. Zach and Miri Porno news.....OH FUCK OFF!!
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Jimmy Carter's wisdom will be heeded come winter time. If Carter had won a second term, and been able to follow through on his energy-conservation measures and guided the country into a smart program, we wouldn't be in this mess.
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You're lost. Don't fucking tell me what I think or believe. I've been nothing if not honest on this discussion - except the racism joke, but come on! People actually feel that way and think Obama being Prez will fix everything.
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to think how undignified people can become when they are so desperate to get their point across. People on this board are yelling "FUCK YOU" and "IM RIGHT AND THATS ALL THAT MATTERS". Im not for one canidate or another, voting has become pointless, but guys, some of you people express outrage and hatred for these people you've never met, which granted may be warranted but thats THE problem in America, no more unity. I think Barack Obama would make a good president, but I won't spit at someone backing mccain. People....WEEEEE are America, what the world thinks of us and the effects we have can largely come from us, but we never like to take the blame when things go wrong, we choose our Villains and we say it was all their fault, that they're the worst thing to ever happen, etc, When bush was re-elected, people said to themselves "fuck it" america is doomed. People need to stop saying shit like that because of the longlasting effects it has. Don't just give up on your country because it's government isn't running things exactly the way YOU think it should be ran. There are countries out there small and oppressed with governments give no real freedom to their people, but the people would still die for their country, because they realize that it's the people that matter, not the few dignitaries who run things with an iron fist, we HAVE to learn to get along guys. No one man is gonna fix everything overnight, WE are gonna have to start taking some responsiblity and show our fellow man some respect, regardless if they are an idiot or not.(btw sorry for grammar errors) I Love you guys regardless of what you think, God Save America.
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I just want to hear DANNY admit that Obama is not perfect!!
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Thanks for proving my point. Another "Neither candidate is good" argument. Where the fuck does that get you? One of them has to win.
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I think he's alright. Hell I already said I agree with him on a few things, but there have been some questionable actions on his part AND OTHERS including MCCAIN! The fact that some folks can't see that is scary. Oh, and he's black so that sucks... RACIST!!
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Crying and moaning about racism while exhibiting racism himself. And you'll do and say anything to defend Obama, right? Let's not mention the racist preacher Obama is associated with, nor Obama's race-paranoid wife. I'm not for McCain or Obama, so you can put away any thoughts of calling me a racist McCain supporter. Unless of course it makes someone like you feel better.
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....but you're just a fucking twat. I'm leaving now because you annoy me.
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"Like I said, anyone we choose is going to lead us into some very tough times. We're already in them now - it's only going to get worse. Perhaps a lot worse."Thanks for voting for Bush.
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He's good at what he does. No doubt. As far as your comment to anchorite "what good does it do saying neither are perfect and that one has to win" it does all the good in the world. If we were MORE critical of these bastards we'd be in much better shape. BTW DANNY, off topic, but I know you were quite vocal in your Indy4 views as I was - well I'm working on a better cut of the film. head over to the originaltrilogy.com for more.
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No one man can, or will, fix this crisis. No one has said Obama is a miracle worker.
And I have to admit that electoral politics, where you have to appeal to the lowest common denominator, prevents Obama from shining as brightly as he is capable of doing.
Simply - Obama has the best economic advisorship. Period. That, coupled with his leadership and openness, is what will help this country out of the crisis.
What does McCain have? A stable of lobbyists and Meg Whitman? Like I said last night - Ebay CREATES NOTHING, and is now shedding jobs like crazy.
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I quote the great James Ford when I say, "Great plan, Moonbeam. Afterwards we can all sing Kumbaya and do trust falls."
Listen, I understand you wanting everyone to get along, Rodney, but there is a shit load at stake in this election and if you can't see that you're fuckign fool. Tempers are high for this fact alone. And, no I don't have to get along with the zealots, fascists, and capitalist extremists that populate the Republican party. -
Don't get into debates if you can't handle it without getting all emotional. And to think I was going to share my new KOTCS cut with you. Lighten up.
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This isn't a debate. We are posting our opinions. Thats not debating. And I'm not getting all emotional. You genuinely annoy me. I promise.
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You're really doing a phantom edit of Indy IV?
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posting our opinions in response to others opinions. Face it, you've got nothing to go on other than name calling and blind obsession. You and others like you give Obama supporters a bad name.
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I am in no way a "blind supporter." I was a Hillary supporter in the primary....it took me longer than most to come over to Obama. I could write a fucking book on why I like him and what I agree with him on.....but what the fuck? I'd rather just say straight up say I like him. The PERFECT thing was a joke. Obviously I understand no human being is fucking perfect in their decision making. But I would say I agree with 89% of Obama's decisions, and probably 3% of McCain's. So tell me I'm a blind supporter.
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Yup. I've been dying to ever since May 22nd. Check out the website. Some good stuff going on there. Changes to the whole look of the film. Removing that weird bloom effect that every shot has, no more monekys and gophers, etc. Excited about it.
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I don't see where it mentions Indy IV on the site. So you haven't started yet? Yeah....that movie could be cut so much better. These fan edits really intrigue me.
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Understood. But I'm not bull shitting when I say I really do wish I was actually excited about a candidate. Like I said, throw Palin into the mix and I just don't know what the hell to make of it. I too prefered Hilary.
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Oct 08, 2008 11:04:00 AM CDT
I'm still thinking Hillary will get Secretary of State....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
...gig. I don't think she wanted V.P. She wants power.
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You don't really buy into all that "Reagan was a great president" hype do you? Why is it that no one with a basic sense of economics is willing to admit that Reaganomics were a national disaster?The concept that if you cut taxes you would increase federal revenues since economic activity would increase is really pretty on paper. The increase in economic activity would bring with it increased federal tax revenues. In other words the tax cut would be self liquidating and self paying since any lost revenues for the moment would almost immediately be made up by increased revenues in the future. It didn't cost anything to lower taxes and the economy would be stimulated to new heights.Ahem. Wrong. In truth, Reaganomics was a smoke screen for a hidden agenda. Taxes were cut, only in the first year of his presidency, to keep the American public happy while a plan to increase the national debt by $2.5 trillion was being concocted so that the U.S. could outspend the Ruskies on national defense as it was obvious they couldn't keep up. It took Reaganomics only 8 years to increase the national debt from $1 trillion to about $3.5 trillion.Even though it was in the name of defense, Reagan also expanded the federal government by about 90%.And all this terrorism stuff we're dealing with today? Ummm, yeah, he sure didn't help the situation. His administration helped the Khmer Rouge terrorize Thailand, imposed brutal trade sanctions on Nicaragua, funded the Contras, sold missiles to Iran, gave assistance to Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden.And lastly, the Reagan Revolution ushered in the era of evangelical politicians who invoke everything God and Jesus to keep people misinformed and ignorant.Dude, I'm sorry but we already had another Reagan and he's currently in the White House. With the exception of Bush not being a great communicator, he's so much like Reagan it's not funny. He spent like there was no tomorrow, he expanded government more than his predecessor and he embraced the religious right who played a crucial role in putting him into office.Neither one of these guys was/is a true conservative.
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Go to the forums and search for Kingdom of Crystal Skull. There a two page thread on it so far. There are guys on there with more technical knowledge than I have, but we are all throwing in ideas. I was going to just do one myself before I saw this site. These guys are doing stuff I didn't think was possible. It may not be better than the OT, but it will at least earn the right to stand beside them on your DVD shelf. Join the forums and toss in some more ideas. You had some good points on AICN. Aw, see that. All it takes is a lil Indy to bring the two parties together...
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I gotta see it again to throw some ideas out there. I shit out most of the toxins in my body from the Indy IV viewing experience.
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Agreed. Did you read the Darabont script?
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Danny and jones are going at each others throats and only their mutual disgust for Indy IV could bring them together. ROTFL! You see Mister C? Keep hope alive!
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I've been saying that about Hillary since she lost the primaries. As Secretary of State she'll constantly be in the spotlight what with Obama sending her around the world to put out all the fires Bushie started.
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That's the way Danny and I came together. We were ripping out each other's jugulars and then we both realized we shared a hatred for something else and we've been fighting side by side ever since.That Darabont script was mighty weak but I have to say, that bi-plane sequence he wrote was aces. I have no idea why Spielberg didn't keep that in the movie. And I also loved the guys being hanged while everyone around them dined and listened to music.
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(tear rolls down cheek)
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You guys are weird.
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They both mentioned about the national debt... yet both are ramping up new government programs, more foriegn aid, and wars based on dubious evidence and "moral" arguments. According to these guys we are going to engage in a war in Pakistan, Afganistan, possibly Rwanda and a new Cold War. Oh yeah and we're going go solve the energy crisis too.... ALL WHILE THE DOLLAR IS CRASHING!! I don't wanna hear about either of these candidates "understanding the economy" more than the either. McCain and Obama only know how reshuffle debt, borrow, tax, devalue the dollar and get people killed.
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WTF did I say was racist, motherfucker? I ain't running for president calling people gooks, John McCain is. Goddam, go jerk off to your Korn CDs while thinking about how the white man has it so bad now before logging on to Xbox Live to shout the N word while quoting Family Guy or some shit.
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....he's a total prick to brag about how great it was for years. It didn't expect it to ever surface. Now that it has-- I suspect he'll keep his mouth shut about it.
Honestly I enjoyed the martian script and Columbus' script with the African river pirates a lot more. There were some very fun scenes in Columbus' script. Some stupid shit too....but it could have been easily cut. I like the opening in haunted Scottish castle. Thought that was odd but interesting. -
I guarantee it. 2012. She's Bush with a Bush. A phony with no substance whatsoever but who has faux down home folksy appeal who combines Rovian politics - they saw in the primaries that a female candidate can create spin shitstorms that can be used in whichever way they need. And they don't care if a woman is president now as long as she too wants to overturn Roe V Wade, or is retardly naive enough to think that Amercuh go roun batin' on dem peoples isn't like them. I guarantee you she's the new puppet of the GOP. Bush with a bush.
Even funnier, check out debate footage of her run for Governor of Alaska. Her accent and folkisms are totally fucking made up. She used to never act all hillbilly in public. And that winking shit. Girl, I don't want you to suck my dick, I want you to have a level head and to choose the right people to stabilize the deregulated global economy.
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I meant HE didn't.....damn. I've been listening to John McCain refer to people as non-human far too much. Fuck fuck fuck.
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"And that winking shit. Girl, I don't want you to suck my dick, I want you to have a level head and to choose the right people to stabilize the deregulated global economy." hahahahahahahaha....
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Yeah man. Naomi Klein. I'd hit it. LOL.
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I may have argued w/ you elsewhere about film, but we are on the same political page. The last thing this getting-to-be-old guy wants to see in the White House is that doddering fool of a really old guy. Every time he said "friends..." I cringed. He is NOT my friend.
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Yeah I fucking despise that shit, "My friends...." Say what?
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Oct 08, 2008 11:40:28 AM CDT
if John McCain is so concerned about renewable energy...
by dannyglovers_dickblood
He needs to find a way to convert his melanoma cheek tapioca into some sort of fuel. He has to have that shit pumped once a week, so there must be quite a bit of it stored up somewhere in some bunker. If we harnessed the power of Grampy's pudding we could reduce our dependence on Saudi oil by 45% by 2015!!
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Yeah, I was disappointed with the Darabont script too. Ox chewing the ropes like a dog? Geez. Why were they so insistent on having theOx character in there? Great, let's have some cheesy character in there who's already solved all the puzzles so we can leave absolutely NOTHING for the HERO to do. Bi-plane scene was great, if not a bit TOO far fetched. I loved it, but it could have been toned down a tad. Also, I would kill to see a river pirates scene in an Indy flick. Hell I might write it myself.
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I encourage anyone who cares to check out the KOTCS thread in the forums. Toss in any ideas you have and look at some of the work being done. They are even planning on replacing the photos of Marcus and Henry Jones Sr with ones that are from the Last Crusade AND adding a touch of blood to Indy's face in the fist fight.
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...seriously. What's funny is if you look back in history, none of this shit is really new. People were coming up with all kinds of meaningless crap to attack with while basically ignoring the serious issues since pretty much the very first elections. I wonder if there was EVER a time when we spoke soberly about the country, our past, and our future in terms of policies and ideals and where WE want to go as a nation.My guess is: hell no! What fun is there in talking work shit and silly 'pie in the sky' dreamer shit?! Bah humbug I say!This guy knows that guy and that guy thinks you're an asshole so obviously this guy thinks you're an asshole too! How can you vote for someone who smiles at you while picturing a raw human sphincter where your head is?".And, apparently each and every person in the game now, Obama, Palin, McCain, Bush have all had questionable relationships to some extent with other people who invariably think you're an asshole for any available reason du jour.But no question that it's important. Yup. Very important. Saudis, American terrorist, anti-semites, anti-puppiests, people who hate on "Beverly Hills Chiuaua" for no good reason, space-aliens...very important.
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She may run for prez but she'll get eviscerated in the primaries. That down home folksy BS might work for those morons up in Alaska who can be bought off with an oil rebate check but it isn't going to fly with red staters who need slightly more than a winking MILF to reassure them their guns and borders are safe.
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shit is fucking killing me.
also naomi klein woud hate us for objectifying her, but damn if she isn't hot as fuck when she schools Alan Greenspan or explains why Friedmanism is so horribly corrupt only a year before she's proven entirely right by current events. There's something about that just makes a man want to express his own Shock Doctrine.
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Oct 08, 2008 11:54:22 AM CDT
Beverly Hills Chiuaua is so much better than The Departed...
by dannyglovers_dickblood
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No I have not read The Happening. And I have yet to see it....though I will eventually.
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That's the critical mistake the Republicans made with Sarah Palin. They got all their hopes bunched up like a boner caught in a bad pair of jockeys because she stimulated their hardcore base, but that's the thing - I tihnk she's only capable of playing to the base cause she makes W look like a fucking intellectual titan and for a non white such as my own self, she scares the living fuck out of me. No mean feat. Shit it's probably easier to adapt Watchmen.
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THE GREATEST SCI FI FILMS NEVER MADE. Its pretty amazing. Talks about a lot of films that have been in development for 10+ years. Some that have been made much different (I Am Legend) and some that have yet to be made (The Tourist) its very cool stuff.
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...we're playing "5 degress of Osama Bin Laden" or maybe "5 degrees of Jack Abramoff" or "5 degree of [insert looney church guy/girl]"?You know what I'm talking about right? Now, it's direct relationships but when this proves to have no steam after maybe the next election or two, I wonder if (or when) we'll go down the "well, he knew a guy who knew a guy who knew this guy who once was in the same Circle-K at the same time! This guy obviously wants to be president so he can kill us all!!! He wants to kill you now!!!! Aarrgh! LOUD noises! LOUD NOISES!!!"
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pure comedy fuel. my favorite line ever in a script, in all caps no less goes something like "THE TREES STARE AT THE LITTLE GIRL FROM BEHIND THE FENCE" or later "THE CROPS WATCH THEIR CORPSES"
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Alejandro Jodorowsky's Dune, with Orson Welles and Salvador Dali and Mick Jagger and music by Pink Floyd with designs by HR Giger.
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Yeah. That is a chapter in the book. Its fascinating to hear about films we'll never see....
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Did we stop talking about politics? Wow...talk about topic switching whiplash man!Night should have redone "Food of the Gods' or maybe "Night of the Leper" instead of Happening eh? Oh and if the plants actually want to kill us all...well fine...I've got your global warming right here you fucking sappy palm tree, coconuts are a lame substitution for real balls, mutherfuckers!
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I think I'll avoid The Happening. But I'll take a look at the script. Bad scripts are actually an art form.
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I just got into the Little Big Planet Beta. I'm gonna see if I can make an economic system whereby one can create wealth through the manipulation of borrowed abstracts in computer values shifted from place to place and the jump all the fuck over it before it collapses in a fireball.
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Oct 08, 2008 12:08:34 PM CDT
Ridley Scott's I Am Legend sounds amazing....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
Set in Los Angeles. Arnold Schwarzenegger is the main dude.
The creatures are full on vampires in his version. Their skin is rotting and falling off. They are all bandaged and wrapped up and they stink like shit. Ridley said he wanted a swarm of flies around them at all times. They are like packs of dirty, wild animals. He was researching a lot of classic Italian paintings for inspiration for the photography. They say his lighting motif and deep blacks ended up being used in Hannibal when the project didn't go. -
its definitely a bizarre film. The tone is strange and the theme is unclear. I still don't know what its really about. But it is very well shot and well acted. Its a strange dreamy trip. The mistake M. Night made was trying to pitch it as the next Wizard of Oz, thinking kids would love it. It is in no way a kids movie. Not for violence or anything, just because its so odd, slow moving, and cerebral.
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Was there ever any word of the suits giving up the ghost and us actually getting the full (supposedly) 4 hour plus version of Lynch's Dune? A million years ago Sci-Fi channel showed a cut version with quite a bit of that footage...making the water of life..etc...And I couldn't agree more...hearing those behind the scenes stories about undeveloped or even developed stuff is amazing and quite often shocking. We all know Magnum PI was Han Solo only shortly before Ford got the part but did you know that the character of Han Solo was an "alien" about 2 to 3 final re-writes of the SW script? Or how bout the one about the "almost" casting of the Lord of the Rings movies. We all know about Stuart Townsend as a 'too young' Aragorn but did you know that Lucy Lawless was Pete's first choice for Arwyn? (played by Liv Tyler) Of course you probably heard about Sean Connery for Gandalf (who refused thank the movie gods) but that Pete's first choice for Aragorn was either Daniel Day-Lewis or Russel Crowe? Good stuff there...very good stuff! (and I'm not 100% about 100% of the above but some of it is confirmed in imdb, etc)
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And she will be considered the front runner. Do not misunderestimate (A GWBism), her appeal. Unless the Repubs have a better field of candidates - Mitt Romney? Then, she may very well win the nomination. Reagan was considered a lightweight know nothing actor. GWB was a lightweight know nothing Governor. Repubs have a history of electing such. The reason is simple: Power and ideology. Power for the people behind the throne - the ones who have no hope of ever being elected, but still crave power. Ideology: every group wants to be right (pun intended). Every group wants their beliefs validated by having their people in power. Presidential elections are far more about the direction of the country than the Man(or Woman) who is running it. The Presidency is not just about who the best leader is, it is about the impact he has on the direction the courts take, the direction legislation takes, the direction federal appointees take etc. etc. It is also a cultural barometer. There really is a divide between conservatives and those who are moderate to liberal in how they percieve the country and its direction. When Clinton was elected - twice, the conservatives lost their minds in trying to tie him to every conspiracy and scandal they could think of. It was not just him, it was what they feared he represented. If Obama is elected, it will be open season the likes of which we have never seen before. The supreme court is often the boogeyman that conservatives and liberals use to scare their respective bases. Who will appoint the next justices. In this case, the repubs have the advantage. If McCain won, he may have two maybe three vacancies - all on the liberal side. NOw, he can not just appoint conservatives, because the Senate will be dominated by Dems, but he damn sure will not appoint a liberal - so net gain may go to Repubs. On the other hand, if Obama wins, he can only maintain status quo. However, there are also federal judgeships at lower courts that are open, and this scares the willies out of both bases. Politics and culture interwined. Conservatives fear the unknown - the different. Liberals embrace it - perhaps too much. Moderates *ahem* look for balance.
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Holy fucking awesome. Fucking a. I mean, dude, Viggo is the shit and all...
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Bill Clinton must be laughing at his relative picnic to what awaits Obama if he's elected.
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...sounds shitty to me. I wouldn't like the character nearly as much.
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....because he is getting his balls sucked and his ass fingered.....AS WE SPEAK!!
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Clinton will be the greatest resource that Obama can use when it comes to understanding the attacks to come, and countering them - as long as it does not include any Interns that is!
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But Jesus H. Christ, the Republican's have to get their knuckles slapped for fucking up both the World Ecomomy and the way the World sees the US. Consider it a cluster of Golden Parachutes to a four year vacation.
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Oct 08, 2008 12:49:40 PM CDT
increased taxation and increased government spending equals more
by dannyglovers_dickblood
Yes....in the long run it does. Shit isn't gonna get better tomorrow. So more needs to be spent on alternative fuels and education to bring about national prosperity for later generations. And with two chaotic wars still being played, guess what-- that means more government spending. And guess what....that means the rich are gonna take a hit.....
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Long before Matt Damon took on the role of second-generation grifter Linus Caldwell in “Ocean’s Eleven,” Mark Wahlberg had a shot at the part and turned it down. Looking back at it, Mark doesn’t regret his decision to skip what turned out to be a blockbuster franchise. In fact, he told Zoo magazine, he’s better off not having to pretend he enjoyed working on the films.
When Zoo asked the actor if he really refused to work in the “Ocean’s” films, he said, “Yeah — and it was well worth it,” adding, “the second one sucked!”
Apparently Mark's no fan of the Hollywood backslapping that goes on when the material doesn’t merit it.
“People tell George Clooney it's great, but we all know it sucked,” the “Boogie Nights” star said. “I made two bad movies instead — ‘Planet of the Apes’ and ‘The Truth About Charlie’ — but doing that was better than sitting with Brad (Pitt) and George, telling the press how great everybody is! ‘We were in Europe, George was funny, then we had some wine ...’ — that's not for me.”
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Answer: China. There is a reason we do not push for harsher trade against them - they subsidize our reckless spending. Just who do you think is going to pay the $700 dollars for the bailout? It is one thing to talk tough - it is another to know that the entire world economy is linked. Yes, Chinese goods are sold for less here, and gobbled up by American consumers - just go to WalMart and day of the week and see how much. Yes, Chinese have gotten wealthy off of American jobs being lost and manufacturing shipped overseas. This is no different than in the 80's when the Japnese, Saudis and the Dutch (yes the Dutch) owned most of America's debt and real-estate. But if we crack doen too harshly on trade, drive prices up, and drain Chinese coffers, who will pay for Americas spending? Your hero Reagan increased the debt, spent more than we took in. Increased the size of gov't. It is a different time - we are not fighting a cold war, but we are fighting terrorists, and economic collapse. Every country looks to benefit from economic policies. It will take very harsh measures in THIS country, to wean us from the Chinese teat of debt.
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Do you think Palin's Witch-Hunter preacher could maybe exercise McCain's face? It is quite clear the evil wants to be free of its human host. THE GATE MUST BE OPENED!!
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According to the Mayans, the world ends on December 21, 2012, which means she (or anyone else) will be unable to officially take office as POTUS on January 20, 2013.
So okay, kind of a Win/Lose there with the whole "End of the World" thing, but goshdarnit, at least there's a bright side. * Winks to someone off-camera *
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I remember hearing about that date back in the early 90s, and I always thought, "we'll see. . ." It's actually exciting to see if anything strange happens. Most likely, the only problem I'll have is last-minute Christmas shopping for my shiny 3 1/2 year-old. President Obama will not be able to stop an army of tickle-me elmo's. What president could?
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Like I'm going to defend that idiot. I think he was a better president than the moron we currently have but Bubba's epic foibles still anger me to this day.And his behavior of late has been sort of despicable.Our country needs one thing and one thing only: putting Americans to work. We need a modern New Deal. Encourage companies to make products here and get back our textile, car, electronic and raw material industries.Put people to work on infrastructure projects improving roads, bridges, city parks, anything.And rather than lowering people's taxes (we need to pay off this debt somehow), make healthcare more affordable and encourage employers to pay more to the working class and cut back on bonuses and wasteful spending for those at the top.What we need is a mental revolution to show people that the disparity between those at the top and those at the bottom is too great. I'm not suggesting forcing people to hand over their wealth or remove all incentives for people to work hard so they can become a highly paid executive, but rather show them that it will be in their best interests if the wealth distribution is a little more equitable.A guy earning $250,000 a year isn't going to hurt if he agrees to a pay cut of $50,000. But that $50,000 can be spread over 10 employees each earning $30,000 and believe you me, that additional $5,000 will make a huge difference in their spending power.I've said it before and I'll say it again. The number one problem with America right now is the sense of entitlement. A guy earning 6 figures feels entitled to his annual bonus whether he's earned it or not. If he truly believed in "Country First" as *cough* McCain does, he'd forgo his bonus so that the peons could finally do more than live paycheck to paycheck.In countries like Sweden, the CEO of a company will earn 10 times what the guy who empties out his trash can does. In America, it's 240 times as much. We're not doing ourselves any favors with those income gaps.The next great President will be someone who surrounds themselves with community leaders who can finally get this message out to Americans. Greed isn't good, it's a cancer that history has shown eventually is the downfall of every society. Don't stifle a healthy competitive attitude, but also encourage compassion and financial humility. That's someone I want to vote for.
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Oct 08, 2008 1:53:45 PM CDT
IF PALIN CAN SUCK 100 MILLION COCKS IN NEXT FOUR YEARS
by bringingsexyback
she'll win the Presidency in 2012. Time to get started, no time to waste!
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May have to get Bristol to help out.
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I don't have any friends over 50
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Oct 08, 2008 2:08:08 PM CDT
PALIN WILL GO BACK TO ALASKA WITH A DICK BETWEEN HER LEGS
by leafar the lost
I have to correct you on that one BringingSexyBack. A "tail" didn't get her 5 babies with that idiot husband of her's. By the way, I predict she will have a sixth baby with John McCain or her private fantasy Barack Obama...
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Your tax increase only applies to the $30,000 portion over the $250K bracket. So lighten up. I wish Obama would make this clear to everyone. McCain suck a dick.
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And I bet 2 of thos 5 children belong to Todd's business partner whatshisname, to whom Sarah declared her love during their affair.
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I want to nail Palin.
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She can just keep shitting out brats until 2012 and she'll have enough votes fro mthem alone to win the elction. Just a mtter of lowering the voting age.
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Why Americans think that a Democratic win will mean high taxes and bloated government? Since I've been alive, the two largest expansions in US government size and spending came under Reagan and Bush II - two Republican administrations. Also, the US economy, taxes and federal spending seems to be controlled better under Democratic administrations and less so under Republican presidencies - at least in general terms. It's silly at this point to argue that Democrats are completely responsible for high federal spending... especially with a VERY expensive war costing ~$500 billion US so far which has been guided under a Republican presidency. Also, to some, higher taxes are not always a bad thing; Western Europe is notorious for high taxes, but they generally control their federal spending better and have things like free high quality health care, good social benefits, high literacy and education rates and fewer tolls on freeways etc. In general, Europeans enjoy a very high quality of life. I'm not an American and I think McCain is a smart politician, but the republican mantra that democrats will automatically raise taxes and increase spending is overly simplistic at best and completely wrong at worst. Higher taxes or lower taxes for that matter are not ALWAYS a bad thing as long as they are applied responsibly and in a balanced way.
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Repeat a lie often enough and people accept it as truth. Now it's so deeply conditioned into their constituents that NOT relying on the lie would call everything about them into question.
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Cuz guys like Anchorite keep serving up the lies in talkbacks across America. We have to be vigilant in tearing them down. Also too many people play video games instead of educating themselves.
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Makes people stupid as shit.
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Good post. I hate it when people talk about how fucking high Europe's taxes are. France pays, what, 5% more in taxes than the U.S. maybe, and they get free healthcare, free child care, free tuition at every college including the Sorbonne, a minimum of four months of maternity leave with full pay, a mandatory 30 day vacation with full pay, and unlimited sick days with full pay.
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Those fucking commercials piss me off with the bitch in the park telling her BF that corn syrup is ok in moderation and that he's a dumbass. Fine. BUT IT'S IN EVERYTHING NOW. It's unavoidable becasue it so cheap.
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mbeemer: Good point.
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Last night Sen. Barack Obama became the first black president of the USA. The election is a mere formality. Obama looked like a president, and McCain looked like a tired, old man who had to keep writing things down so he wouldn't forget them. It was embrassing watching McCain try to debate Obama, and I wish he would be allowed to bow out gracefully, but of course he won't.
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What's you think of the originaltrilogy.com KOTCS thread?
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Lotta talk over there but let's see it followed up by action. People calling for a lot of cuts in the film but that won't really help. In the end we're still stuck with bad dialogue, two useless characters, a crappy McGuffin, three waterfalls, nuclear fridges, magnetic gunpowder, non-menacing villains and badly CGI backgrounds.
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Oct 08, 2008 2:50:15 PM CDT
haven't you people learned anything? VOTE OBAMA!!
by dannyglovers_dickblood
Lets see what happens.....whether you like him or not-- someone's gotta be President. And he is 10 times the candidate Grampy McCain is....
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To be fair, Clinton had plenty of help balancing the budget and producing a surplus - some would even say the lion share of credit should go to Repubs in the house. I do not go that far, but without a doubt the giant budget battles of the early 90's that resulted in the balanced budget and debt elimination, were instigated by the House. Clnton did not back down, but he did accept the proposals. It also helped immensely that the dot.com was more boom than bust. Massive revenues flowed into the treasury, and no large expenditures - thanks to the budget balancing. Repubs and Dems need one another. When any one gets too much power, it results in greed, corruption, over spending, and simply bad gov't.
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Remember, he kept ensuring a McCain victory and now that his boy is down in the polls and embarrassing himself in the debates, Coughlin dares not surface for fear of being laughed out of the TB.We should stop by his hot dog cart or taco shack to rub it in then.
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Oct 08, 2008 3:13:13 PM CDT
When any one gets too much power, it results in greed, corruptio
by smackfu
And when one particular side gets any power at all, that stuff pretty much happens from day 1 on.
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...Actually, I prefer Berserker King. Raw horse meat cured in horse sweat by being squashed under a saddle during a three day ride. ARRRRRRRRRRGH!!!!!! Good Eatin'!
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is that when good stuff happens when democrats are in power, they take credit for it. Which seems pretty logical. But when bad stuff happens while Repubs are in power, they blame the last democrat term for all their current problems. And they credit all the last democrat's successes to the time the repubs were in power before that. Actually, it's not funny, it's downright HILARIOUS. What a Catch 22 we're in as democrats. Anything we do right, repubs take credit for as a 'delayed reaction' or 'trickle-down' effect from the time when they were in were in power. And anything repubs do wrong when they're in power, they blame on *our* supposed trickle-down delay of shitty governance.
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Coughlins can't come to the keyboard right now....he's got quite a mouthful. SWALLOW MOTHER FUCKER!! I SAID SWAAAAAAAAAAAALOOOOOOOOOOOOW!!
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I'd have to agree with you for the most part. My argument is more about the tendency and general actions of each party... the specifics, as you have pointed out, are always more complex. I guess my point is that one can make general, but accurate, statements and general, but inaccurate statements. The right wings "democrats/high taxes/bloated government/deficit spending" is general but inaccurate in my opinion... even if there is participation from both sides when you look more closely. Using Iraq as an example, it's hard to blame the Bush administration completely for the Iraq war, despite being a cause spearheaded by his administration. The war would never of happened unless Democrats voted for the use of force too. My feeling is that the state of the economy has more influence on an administration than any administration (Republican or Democrat) could ever have on the economy. Taxes go up or down regardless of party.
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.....that maybe - just MAYBE - there ISN'T enough to go around?
That money and the environment and human dignity are all limited resources, and top-level Republicans figured this out years ago, and that's why they cling to power so feverishly? Because they themselves KNOW that the whole goddamn applecart is about to go over the cliff, and they're just trying to hang on to the relatively small amounts of power they already have, hoping it will somehow carry over to the REAL New World Order?
Why do I not include top-level Democrats in this scenario? Maybe because I think that they really do believe (probably erroneously) that there's still hope for us all.....while the GOP have essentially written us all off as a loss.
The human race, let alone America, will NEVER be the egomaniacal conservative dream of a white-run, world-wide Christian monotheocracy, and in their hearts, Republicans KNOW this - then rest is just them flailing around, desperately trying to achieve the impossible - namely covering their own asses AND grabbing all they can of what's left of the world before it all goes down the drain.
Hmmm....Now THERE'S a post-apocalyptic idea I'd like to see developed by somebody with a lot more talent than me. What would REALLY happen if the planetary economy collapsed, back to pre-industrial revolution levels, but with the remnants of 21st century technology still all over the globe? Sure, most of the world won't really be changed all that much - most of it is still Third World level technology - but it's really interseting to think of what will happen to the technocrat class when that particular infrastructure goes to hell.
I've seen too many bad SF novels and comics and movies that try to explain the collapse away in mystical or nuclear or biological catastrophe terms. I want somebody to convincingly postulate how simple uncontrolled greed crashed the whole horsecart.
(In reality, China would be Just Fucking Fine if the rest of the world went down the crapper. They're probably the model for how a post-collapse world would function...)
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is it possible for an independent to actually win the election? I know Ross Perot made it so far. Spending like 60 million of his own money. But lets assume that an independent won the popular vote. Would the "ONLY two party" Electoral College step in and pick either the rep or dem anyway? Isn't the system set up that ONLY a dem or rep can win, No matter how many votes an independent gets?
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...she's 45 now, by '12 she'll be pushing 50 and be a lot less MILFier and that tight li'l ass'll be saggin' (gotta throw her a dropped "g" there... shout outs!). Besides, bitch is a fucking Nazi!
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Voter Fraud?
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True, but many of the things you mention are listed on that thread as areas that need to be addressed (and by addressed I mean CUT!!)It will still be FAR from perfect, but my hope is that its at least a worthy addition to the series. We'll see, but those guys have done god work elsewhere.
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You twisted it right on the nipple...
I am fucking astonished by recent comments on here like, "Bush was doing fine until the Democrat controlled Congress started to fuck things up...."
WHAT THE FUCK?!! EAT A FUCKING DICK WITH THAT STUPID ASS SHIT MAN.
Democrats took control in 2007....so what the fuck happened the first 6 years of Georgie's Presidency? Oh we don't talk about that shit right? I gotcha. Dumb fucking twats. -
NO! NO! NO! The president is a n...BONG!! BONG!! BONG!! BONG!!!
LOL!!!!
OBAMA '08!!!!!
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Uhhhh yeah. Keep trying to link this to Obama. Good luck. The story is getting zero fucking coverage.
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...yeah, and all the tech would be controlled by "wizards", one of whose head would revolve around to display a happy or angry face accordingly. Humans would have friendly relations with their newly evolved (devolved) hairy cousins, who ride around on mutant lizard horses. The environment will be thrown in disarray by a runaway planet that some years before, hurtled between Earth and the Moon... As usual, Jack Kirby already thought of it!
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...and one of the things I learned was the evils of HFCS.
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Zogby has then separated by 2 points after last night.
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Can I completely rip off your concept for a script, if I promise to give you a credit?
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Is there anyone here who would be comfortable with Sarah Palin running the United States of America as president? I'm just curious.
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...I wonder why there weren't that many fat aztecs... all they ate was corn! Well, they did supliment with human flesh from time to time... maybe cannibalism has a slimming effect?
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I would be more comfortable with her running the United States of America than Senator Obama running it.
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Ever climb the pyramid in Mexico? You get one hell of a workout.
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is because Senator Obama is a huge blank. No executive experience whatsoever. No major accomplishments. All he has done is write two books about himself and give speeches. He has run nothing except, sadly, his mouth.
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They did all of their own landscaping and burned off the extra calories.
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Oh get the fuck outta here with that bullshit.....even though Zogby is the absolute minority in the polls, they are the only one you quote because they paint the picture a little prettier for you? Dick move....
Gallup Tracking 10/05 - 10/07 Obama: 52 -- McCain: 41
Rasmussen Tracking 10/05 - 10/07 Obama: 51 -- McCain: 45
Reuters/CSpan/Zogby Tracking 10/05 - 10/07 Obama: 47 -- McCain: 45
GW/Battleground Tracking 10/02 - 10/07 Obama: 49 -- McCain: 45
Ipsos/McClatchy10/02 - 10/06 Obama: 47 -- McCain: 40
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 10/04 - 10/05 Obama: 49 -- McCain: 43
CBS News10/03 - 10/05 Obama: 48 -- McCain: 45
CNN10/03 - 10/05 Obama:53 -- McCain: 45
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...but it's been processed to the point that it's harmful. (That explains the lack of fat Azteks.)
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......but I would trust my fucking gardener in the Presidency more than I would trust that walking lobotomy Palin. What the fuck does executive experience on a resume prove? It doesn't make the person any less of a fucking retard.
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between paragraphs. It always comes out one big bleeding eyes paragraph. How do you space between paragraphs?
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How do you know Aztecs didn't weigh 500 lbs? They could have been fat and beautiful....
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She would indeed. (and yes, she looks hot indeed, too) The whole "objectifying thing... I know this girl who went off on a rant about that to me once, then, few months later, I heard thru back channels that she always wondered why I never thought she was attractive or asked her out. Well shit, baby... wouldn't want to "objectify" you! Even funnier, amongst themselves, women are much, much worse and way more nasty in their "objectification" of males. True fact!
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But, I find it funny that a while back somebody on here said that polls were for idiots (he said this when Senator Obama was down) and now everybody on Obama's side points to the polls.Polls is polls. They may indicate the winner and they may not. You have to remember that a lot of you guys on here have never stood in line for anything other than the Play Station 3. Will you all vote? Seriously, will you?
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Oct 08, 2008 3:48:04 PM CDT
dirtsandwich -- type this without the spaces....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
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I can see your point...but pray...what are Obama's qualifications? His outstanding career in...?
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Maybe Harry needs to offer autographed Bluray copies of The Dark Knight if he wants all these fat asses to get up and vote.
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Well Mel Gibson didn't cast any. (Man I hated that movie...)
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....needs to start up the fryer, because he's gonna be making some bananas foster with my piss in a minute. Of course polls matter. People can pretend they don't...but the truth is polls greatly influence public opinion whether they are accurate or not. If people see their guy is way ahead-- they don't feel it is as important to make it to the polls. And vice versa, maybe McCain is not really that far behind. There will be a large chunk of voters that would have voted for him but see he is so far down the day before election day, they say fuck this-- that asshole is not winning shit.
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Is this still a Republican talking point? Seriously? Shouldn't it be Palin/McCain, if this is the case? McCain doesn't have "executive" experience either.
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If the polls said McCain was down by twenty points, he would still see me in line to vote for him. Lots of my buddies on conservative blogs say the same. Anybody but Obama.Jiggah...I wish!
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Oct 08, 2008 3:58:04 PM CDT
It shouldn't be considered "EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE"
by dannyglovers_dickblood
If your state's entire population is the size of a large suburb outside of Los Angeles. Jesus fucking Christ......what a joke. She is a joke. The jokes on you idiots still supporting old Rot-Face.
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I'm not saying you wouldn't be there. But you know damn well most people really can give a fuck about politics. Most people don't watch political coverage, they don't know whats going on in this election really, and they can give a shit what happens as long as they still have a job and a little cash. And I'm am genuinely sorry you have friends that frequent Conservative blogs. What horrible people they must be.
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Sarah Palin. In charge. Of the entire country. Making the rules. Telling us what's right. Leading the way. That's cool with you?
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Of course thats alright with Blue. He is a Conservative.
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Oct 08, 2008 4:03:55 PM CDT
It sort of amazes me AICN TB'ers can be Conservative....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
...I dunno-- it just seems like such a whacky free-thinking kinda place.
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I am pro gun rights. I am not homophobic.There are quite a few of us out here, you know.A Rolling Stone...yes it is. Much better than Obama and his Chicago Experience.Be back later, gents. I gotta go to work.
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And yes I am pro-gun but I don't "hate fags" - they should have all the rights a straight couple does. I also believe in the woman's right to have an abortion (but just one :)) and I support stem cell research. I think we're doing some good in Iraq. Although I wish we could leave soon, it will take time and time will only tell if we did permanent good or not. I think global warming is a natural process that man isn't exactly helping, but feel that deforestation should be more of the focus. I don't support Affirmative Action, don't like the idea of shared prosperity, but think having more regulations on businesses is vital.I believe in evolution AND God. Oh and as small a government as possible. Damn I'm a Mutt I guess. Speaking of Mutt, stay tuned for the one true version of Indiana Jones and the KOTCS !! Coming soon. Whew.
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You sound pretty level headed. You should do whats right and vote Obama Jonesey.
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People have been talking about the finite resources for years. See, for example, David Korten's "When Corporations Rule the World" where he talks about the need to rid ourselves of a "frontier" mentality and move to a "space capsule" mentality.
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I can't take anyone seriously who defends her. I mean I think you are a very deluded individual if you think she is presidential or even vice-presidential material. I have watched her and read enough where some hint of deep understanding and/or coherence should be revealed.
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There should be some attention given to the QUALITY of the executive experience. In and of itself, it is absolutely meaningless. The Korean guy who owns the corner bodega has executive experience, but he's an ass and I'd never want him to be president. People talk a lot about executive experience, but I've never heard anyone say why it gives one candidate a leg up over another. Not saying it's a bad thing, just overrated, particularly when it's not qualified.
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you have nothing to worry about. Liberals lost that one. Sure, we won abortion and are close to winning gay rights, but we lost guns. Lost big time. It's not an issue anymore, and no one liberal or conservative, will ever be taking your guns away in the forseeable future.
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You mean Mayans? Actually I just got back from Mexico a couple weeks ago and climbed the tallest pyramid on the Yucatan peninsula in Coba. After biking 2 miles on a shitty flat tired bike to the pyramid. Then followed that up with a jungle hike during tarantula season (yes they have a season), paddling in croc infested waters, repelling down a cliff, zip-lining across a gourge, and then the ultimate challenge, eating Mayan habanero pepper sauce. So I guess what I'm trying to say is, "I kick ass!"
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Of course, I can't speak for the rest, but you should instead ask why we conservative TB'ers continue to return here after weathering the incessant demagoguery. Trust me, it ain't all about the gluttony for punishment.
I'm what's called a "local artist." Someone a local paper hires from time to time. There's more than that, but let's just say that I love to draw and paint, and somehow managed to find a way to make a living from it. It's good, honest, independant living. And I often get the "How can a visionary be conservative?" question. To me, it's racism of a different stripe. As if only peoples of a certain minset can create art. Take a look at TB poster Industrykiller for such an elitist example.
I'm pro choice (within reason), against the death penalty (since the government shouldn't be in charge of who lives or dies) and donate my time regularly at my local united way (hardly a conservative organization). Despite this, I was figuratively drawn and quartered in a recent TB for simply recounting how I've helped rape victims realize that they have more choices open to them other than abortion.
What's even more fun than that is being labeled a racist by faceless internet armchair judges in gaitling gun fashion. And as a modest Powhatan native that has experienced real racism firsthand, I can only shrug, grin and bear it.
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Quality of experience? Okay, sure. I think being the Governor of Alaska is pretty good.
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His "That One" comment sealed his fate in my eyes.
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Yes this is a whacky, free-thinking kind of place. My kind of place, actually.How am I conservative? Well, I believe in a person's right to bear arms. I am against abortion. I am pro-death penalty. I am against Affirmative Action. I am against Gay Marriage (So's Obama so put your hand down...) but am for granting them all the liberties they need (hospital visitation, etc.) I don't believe poverty is the cause of crime...many more.I think Immortal_Fish hit the nail on the head when he said that people who expect a certain kind of behaviour from a certain culture are engaging in reverse racism.
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Because you view it as racist or because you view it as a dumb thing to do since he should have realized others would view it as racist?
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I think granpa munster opened a new can of worms, when he should have focused more on solutions for the troubled economy.Yeah there were fingerpointing from both sides,but for the most part Barrack is right and apparently ol' Johnny just couldn't keep his temper in check.Now many Blacks see it as a backhanded racist remark.(I don't really think so, but I wouldn't be surprised.)This geezer has no class and he's too "good" to shake Obama's hand afterwards.What do you expect from a guy who called his benefactor a Cunt.
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does not signal the brain the stomach is full.... Ever sit and think why you can sit down and tear through a whole bag of oreo's????
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so to max out profit... in goes the mass quantities of HFCS.
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(Why we Conservative Talk-Backers return...) As for me...I come back here because I have more in common with 99% of the guys on here than they think. We're in a movie geek place. We love comics, tv shows, movies, novels, etc. The verbal abuse? It pales in comparison to the great info I get about our collective passion. Seriously, you guys think if Anchorite, DannyGlover's Dickblood, HoboCode and I were in a bar we would not get along if politics were left out of the mix? We'd talk long into the night about Cool News.
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the body doesn't know what the fark it needs to do with them......
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I have sat with those kinds of folks and have told stories that have made them shit themselves. (in the good kind of way if thats possible)
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If I were you, I would avoid seeing The Happening as it wasn't "happening" for me. Night's only contribution was TSS and Unbreakable..that's it.I was smart enough to avoid Lady in the Water, but an R rated shamalamadindong movie gathered my interest.Horrible premise,terrible execution and dumbass ending I would suggest re-watching The Mist or even 28 Weeks Later instead of this shit.Oh, you're right about Clinton he has turned for the worst since the primaries...almost as if showing his true colors.I'm very disapointed in him nowadays.
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I partially blame cable news. I mean really. . . 24 hours a day? If there isn't an invasion or a OJ trial going on, what the hell can you talk about for 24 straight hours? The political pundit may not have been born on cable news, but my god they've found a rich habitat in which to thrive and spawn kittens. There are now shows, not dedicated to a debate, but "interview" shows marketed to promote a specific message to please those that already agree with the pundit. Hours and hours of it, mostly justified to make sure you watch the Doan's Back Pain commerical between soundbytes. It's a world of drama, conflict, and narrative arcs called "news cycles," which try to keep a viewer from changing to a work of fiction like a Drama or Comedy on another channel. It's only conpelling if reality can be as exciting as fiction, so it's time to twist the few facts that you know are true into a narrative designed, not to make you think, but to make you feel - feel anger, feel gratification, make you consider who your friends are, and make you hate your enemies. News networks have now perfected this narrative-making scheme, competing with each other, and creating market niches based on ideology: You a liberal? - MSNBC's for you, You a conservative? - Fox baby. I mean, what the fuck is that about? Suddenlt, fabricated tensions among watchers become more pronounced (read: more stupid) because you can now get everything from a specific ideological filter. Anyone working under a different filter simply cannot understand your point of view. The result? The impossibility of any real debate. . . you don't even speak the same language anymore. The very nature of completling ideological filters prohibit it. Instead, you can only make the claim that everyone else except you is somehow "biased" or "stupid" using evidence and examples that are as compelling as a UFO conspiracy website. And speaking of websites, you get loads of them, all dedicated to a specific opinion that's right for you, all of them of course, feeding off the 24 hours cable channels, looking for bytes that support their specific ideology. Anyway, that's just how I see all this, and why AICN is not the best forum for debate (though I still find it incredibly entertaining - perhaps my own demon in all of this).
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was better than mine. I come here for the Batman III news. This political thread is just a fun homework distraction. . .
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Good write ups.
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Needless to say many of my friends,colleagues and family members were displeased.Here's one response: "I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT I REALLY WANT TO SAY ABOUT THIS. IF I DID IT WOULD START WITH THAT STUPID BITCH!"Thanks Mom! XD
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The issues of that Alaska are so specific, and let's face it, so simple, compared to most in the contiguous US. With a population roughly the size of the block I live on and with those specific and simple things she has to deal with, I can't see how being Governor there really ports well to an analogous - not to mention higher - office in the lower 48.In my view the quality of that executive experience is lackluster, particularly with only two years on the job. That being said, it wouldn't be a deal killer but combined with her inability to demonstrate any communication skills beyond the obvious rah-rah moments, it paints a pretty weak picture.
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Well thought out Thunderbolt Ross. Still, you could substitute the word "Palin" with "Obama" and "Governor of Alaska" with "Community Organizer" and "Jr. Senator" and your man is in the same boat. He is great at delivering a speech with all it's rah-rah moments, but seems to stumble when faced with simple questions (Remember Saddleback?).I agree with more of Palin's views than I do Obama's. McCain has my vote and I'm going to be watching that Palin lady.
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OOooo I've heard incredible RUMOURS about that Movie & Script for a long LONG time but nothing solid. So thanks DGDB that's a book I shall have to get.
Greg Bears Forge of God is supposedly in Development hell and MIGHT be part of a trilogy with Anvil of Stars.
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Though, the comparison between small town mayor and community organizer is a fallacy ... They're roughly the same age; when he was a community organizer, she was a beauty pageant contestant, not a mayor. You could say mayor vs state senator though I'll bet his constituency at that time was far greater than the population of her town. Again, though I was questioning the executive experience thing, which is a touchstone that nobody ever bothers explaining. And also again - fair enough, if you agree with her views, you agree with her views. I wasn't questioning anyone's inclination to do so, I was questioning how someone could defend her as being a great VP pick with the vehemence some have.
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I reject the idea that there is an equivalency between them because their lack of experience might be comparable. I had two questions, and the executive experience one wasn't a knock on Palin, just a general question. The knock on Palin was she inspires no faith in me by by what she says and how she says it. It has nothing to do with her politics, really - not that I agree with them, but I can disagree with someone without thinking they're a vacuous twit, believe it or not.
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....Dems? Sounds like you're insinuating the party itself had something to do with it. They were hackers from the hacked group ANONYMOUS, known for its protests against Scientology. You know for a fact the individuals were Dems? Even if they were who gives a fuck....what are you trying to say? You wanna talk about her other email account that got hacked by federal investigators probing the firing of Walt Monegan? Lets talk about that. Were those federal investigators Democrats as well? FUCK OFF WITH THIS BULLSHIT. Its sad....
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No questions on abortion rights
No questions about late-term/partial-birth abortions
No questions on stem-cell research
No questions on judicial reform
No questions on gun control
Not one fucking question on illegal immigration
Basically Mr. Brokaw steered well clear of any topic that could be sticky for Obama. He helped cover for Obama's (very) liberal politics. Getting into these topics, and they are all important to many Americans, would have shown the folks how similar Obama is to losers Kerry and Gore. And Obama's answers, Brokaw knew, would likely fire up conservatives.
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...a question on illegal immigration? Are you fucking kidding me? You mean the issue that McCain completely flipped on to cater to the right? You mean McCain's former pet issue he refuses to speak about now? Oh riiiiiiiiiight. That issue. You're right, Brokaw is all over Obama's cock.
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Oct 08, 2008 7:07:53 PM CDT
and Katie Couric is a Republican you dumb fuck....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
...why don't you do a little "Interweb" research next time before opening your illiterate pie-hole.
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"my fellow prisoners"! And this man is fit for office how? http://talkingpointsmemo.com /archives/222883.php
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And I've read your posts- no objectivity, no give and take, no respect for those with views that differ from your own. I'd watch who you call an idiot, sir.
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...its not that Brokaw is pulling for Obama, Its the fact that every single national poll asking American's their number one concern, and the most important issue that is influencing their vote for President is -- THE ECONOMY! Thats why the debate focused primarily on economic issues you filthy little cum bucket. Seriously....what the fuck-- gun control? Give me a fucking break. Its a dead issue. No one is threatening to take away your fucking guns. Maybe you didn't hear about a little something going on called a $750 BILLION DOLLAR BAIL-OUT. You want a debate on unimportant right wing social horse shit? Do me a favor and suck on the end of a 12 gauge you dumb mother fucker. Or at the very least throw yourself in front of a moving semi-truck so you are in a coma on election day.
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What is the world coming to?
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Not sure she behaves like one. Regardless, the issue was credibility, and she clearly has none. No party distinction necessary. Same with Rather.
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How is that for respect?
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Oct 08, 2008 7:14:35 PM CDT
I'm sick of stupidity being an asset for the Republican party...
by dannyglovers_dickblood
....its embarrassing.
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Oct 08, 2008 7:17:27 PM CDT
Disagreement with your views does not constitute illiteracy
by skinjob69
I assure you, Mr. Dickblood, I'm quite literate, thank you very much.
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and many Obama supporters, I'm sad to say.
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you're illiterate, you're stupid, you're, fuck off and die, and the coup de grace- "Do me a favor and suck on the end of a 12 gauge you dumb mother fucker. Or at the very least throw yourself in front of a moving semi-truck so you are in a coma on election day.".
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After all her glowy reviews with HRC? The heir of Matthau and Rather? Really?I feel like the majority of AICN'ers did once they discovered Chris Wallace was outed as a registered democrat so soon after Bubba jabbed his pointed index finger repeatedly for daring to raise speculation that he may bear some of the blame for bin Laden and 11SEP01.Can't help but speculate if Couric registers one way and checks off the other...
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Again, one side coaxes votes for smokes. The other does not.It goes much deeper than this, but neither of us has the attention span to delve into the details.And I write this as someone that truly believes that you still win if "McSame" gets in.
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You do realize that Palin is runing onthe bottom of the ticket, yes? That it has been over a quarter century since a president was suceeded by a veep, yes? And that McCain's mother is in her mid 90's, yes?"I was questioning how someone could defend her as being a great VP pick with the vehemence some have."Nothing but bad press has made me gravitate toward her for all the same reasons why the dearth of bad press against Uhhbummer has made me withdraw against him.
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Excuses, excuses. No substitute for a valid argument - sorry.
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Sorry, but I didn't see this post until I'd responded to the one after it. Anyway..."The issues of that Alaska are so specific, and let's face it, so simple, compared to most in the contiguous US. With a population roughly the size of the block I live on and with those specific and simple things she has to deal with, I can't see how being Governor there really ports well to an analogous - not to mention higher - office in the lower 48."You guys were really hot for Dean in 2004. Have you run his demographic numbers? Regardless, you loved him so much you made him chair of your party. And how exactly does "Main Street" Vermont compare with the US on the whole?"In my view the quality of that executive experience is lackluster, particularly with only two years on the job."She won more votes in Wasilla than Joe Biden won in any national primary. Besides, Uhhbummer has done nothing in his two years in the senate other than... run for president."That being said, it wouldn't be a deal killer but combined with her inability to demonstrate any communication skills beyond the obvious rah-rah moments, it paints a pretty weak picture."And how, exactly, will Uhhbummer pay for the trillions of new spending he has proposed? You're a supporter. You should be able to paraphrase easily.
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Really? Bad press for Obama would swing you his way? Simple as that, huh? Thanks for the laugh.
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I want to order pizza from him.
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These issues may not be important to you, but I assure you they're pretty important to many other Americans. I agree the bail-out bill and the economy are big issues right now, but do we have to dedicate the better part of two (of only three) debates to it?
Social issues are completely relevant within these debates, and it's appropriate to discuss them as well as the economy and foreign policy.
Believe me, people DO want to know the candidates' opinions on illegal immigration, abortion rights, stem cell research, and gun control. And these issues take on more relevance in light of the fact that one or two supreme court justices will likely retire within the next 4-8 years.
It seems that the media don't want to clearly define Obama's position in these areas. Why would that be? You can decide, but the media's silence on these 'social' issues is deafening. -
If that's all it took, I'd only have to wait as long as it takes for you to deliver my pizza.
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Oct 08, 2008 8:07:12 PM CDT
IF SOMEONE COULD DECIPHER IMMORTAL_FISH'S PIZZA JOKE
by bringingsexyback
I'd appreciate it. I'm at a complete loss here.
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I have never heard a single person talk shit about Mccain as a person... outside of all the "informed" talkbackers who apparently have inside information to the political process and know what politicians are thinking. The more you guys make hateful remarks about Republicans and act like children, the dumber you are perceived. By all means, keep it up. I wish David Palmer could run for president in real life. Now that is a Democrat I would vote for.
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Try Google. That's step 1 towards getting "informed".
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McCain screwed himself on the bailout. I admired his stance initially. "Suspending his campaign" (please, it was to SERVE his campain)... and then the guy that would veto pork and name names VOTED FOR an $850 billion bailout without naming names.It's over. Uhhbummer wins. Welcome back Carter.
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He didn't cover the issue of Talkbackers vs. Sewer Chewers.
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You got all you needed to know about Palin from a 2.5 hour interview that was edited down to under 6 minutes. As if "republican" Katie Couric wouldn't cherry pick. Please.Besides, anyone that has a clue about cooking knows that making a damn good pizza takes much longer than the few minutes required to deliver it on time as you, undoubtedly, have grown accustomed to.
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"Uhhbummer" is stupid.
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Oct 08, 2008 8:18:45 PM CDT
IMMORTAL FISH GETS ONE THING RIGHT. BRING UP THE TROPHY!
by bringingsexyback
Thanks to McCain, who peeled those 12 Reps away from the Yea votes, the $700 Billion bailout became a $850 Billion bailout.
$150 Billion to buy 12 votes.
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Would you mind explaining, like, every other joke you've posted here, ever? As I wrote before, I'd love to swill beer with you some time. You'd be a riot to listen to in a bar atmosphere.
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AsloPalinALSO is TERRIFIED of reporters. She quivers and cries at the sight of them and collapses at the mere sound of Questions.
So how exactly would AlsoPalinAlso deal with World Leaders if (God help us) AlsoPalinAlso became the President ?
Perhaps AlsoPalinAlso would wink at Iranian sympathetic and backed Iraqi President Talbani when trying to negotiate a phased withdrawal avoiding Balkanization or partition ?
Perhaps AlsoPalinAlso could blow a kiss to the Fed chair as she tries to put a wrecked Economy back on it's feet while finally ensuring effective Regulation and Oversight ?
Never mind. We could always try blaming the Media for focusing on this minor Economic hiccup. Biased Fucks! -
You're right. I liked JOhn KErry much better four years ago.
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Agree with your points regarding McCain on the bail-out bill. Ridiculous amount of pork in there, and it further disgaces an already unpopular congress.
Don't think it's over, though. There's almost a month before the election, and that's an eternity in politics. I believe that as the economy issue cools a bit and policies of both candidates are more clearly defined (i.e. if the press does it's job) the polls will tighten.
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Thanks for the essay.
Needless to say, your attempt to insult me falls pretty flat when you have to offer up an explanation for said insult.
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Actually, as bipartisan as McCain has been in the senate and despite his war record and the fact he adopted a little orphan from the 3rd world, he is well known to have a horrible temper... to the point of being verbally abusive to staff. I can't say that makes him a bad person, because no one is perfect, but it does lead to character. And before you get on me about whether it's "fact" or not, enough reputable news organizations have reported on the issue to move it from rumour and speculation to fact. There are concrete examples from the TV media and YouTube as well.
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I must admire BSB as the first liberal to admit the reality of the situation.Unfortunately, he's spun it negatively against his opposition.Hey, BSB... "McSame" gave back his K5 spoils. Did Uhhbummer return his 2F windfalls?
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How do you make separate paragraphs in Talkback posts?
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What does that say about me...
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it's HTML-ish
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foiled again!
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But it's still stupid. So's "McSame" but at least it's no more cumbersome to type.
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What planet are you from? When and where does the ship leave? Is there still room? BSB and DG's DB, et al will gladly foot the bill.
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Really? All you have to do is simply feign ignorance to reboot the impact of, well, like, anything? I shall do that from now on.You have learned well from your Obamessiah.
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the cute nicknames are done. Using them isn't high rhetoric, or even low rhetoric- it's cheap gimmickry that makes the arguer appear a little ingrown and vapid. Just sayin'...
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That's BSB's formula for spin.
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Man, one wonders exactly when it's going to register with some people that $850 BILLION wasn't make believe money and that Jobs and Healthcare and Gas Prices and food prices and Pensions have been an issue for many, many months and are most definitely here to stay as an issue as the Recession deepens.
Even Paulson admits some more Banks are going to collapse and there is no way this will be over in a month. No way at all. -
Your folly was giving me the explanation I wanted. But good to see you're learning. Keep paying attention - I have many more secrets to share, my gay padawan.
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Wow you're all over the place, there. Mischaracterizations, assumptions, bizarre connections, etc. But here goes, for posterity if nothing else:#1, I wasn't a big Dean supporter, I'm not a Democrat, and I'm not even a big Obama supporter. I haven't been writing about how great he is, but about how inappropriate Palin is - and by extension McCain since his VP pick reflects on him greatly. My support of Obama has more to do with the disaster the Republican ticket has become.#2, Since Vermont is part of the lower 48 I've already answered your question. In regards to how many votes Palin got, or what Obama did or didn't do, those facts have zero to do with the quality of her executive experience, and as such are once again not germane.Similarly, however Obama is going to "pay" for the "trillions" in spending and my ability to paraphrase it are hardly a reflection on Sarah's Palin's apparent lack of insight and understanding.
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I think Skinjob needs to spend less time mulling over Indy V and a little more at the Journal. A certain country is just entering bankruptcy, causing a panic among hundreds of thousands of depositors ... and he thinks the economy issue will cool soon. LOL
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Oct 08, 2008 8:43:34 PM CDT
G100- I don't think for a minute this will be over in a month
by skinjob69
But I expect the market will stabilize a bit (albeit at around 10,000). And the saturation coverage of the bailout will subside a bit. And maybe then there will be a chance for voters to get a real, more complete picture of the candidates stance on other issues.
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Typing.
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I'm with your #1 100%.
Sensible moderates are voting for Obama. They just are - he's clearly the more pragmatic and cool headed of the two, and is surrounding himself with serious economic advisors. He rounded out his ticket with responsibility and good sense, while McCain, by all accounts, threw a political hail mary with Palin. That is not the kind of boldness this mostly sensible moderate wants in a president. Barring a stunning surprise, this case is closed. -
That's the time to start buying.
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but for an administration too? Kinda makes all the arguing over flaws in the individual candidates moot eh?
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And Clinton will be faithful, and Edward's illegitamate child will know who his real dad is, Paris Hilton's herpes will clear up and rainbows will shine out my ass.
All I was suggesting (and you're smart enough to know this) was that the 24-7 coverage of the economy will slow down a bit.
Then again, maybe not. The MSM knows that more voters like Obama on the economy, so...I guess it's head-in-the-sand time on BO's far left social stances. -
Oct 08, 2008 8:51:00 PM CDT
I'M GENUINELY SADDENED BY HOW MCCAIN/PALIN ARE INCITING HATRED F
by bringingsexyback
Things seemed so hopeful at the turn of the millenium after Clinton led us to it. Now they're turning the cultural clock back 50 years. So ugly. I guess McCain would rather lose his dignity than lose an election.
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Are you arguing that the news media is being irresponsible covering the historic collapse of the global financial system? That it's newsworthy because their liberal? Huh.
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......Why rip it off? I have no problems with collaboration. You've already seen how I can write...
KidZ - What DIDN'T the King do already?
hst666 - Yeah, I know that oh, say, oil resources are finite - I was talking about the idea that somebody naughty has a VERY accurate idea of just HOW finite they were, and their methods of manipulating that knowledge to their own advantage - and I ain't gonna try to pin that idea on the Bush clowns (too easy); It could just as easily be attributable to OPEC, a closet millenialist Energy Czar, a foreign government's investment in their nation's future, or your stereotypical ruthless industrialist - and those ideas are just about fossil fuels.
I'm more interested in the idea of demonstrating a believable story focused on how sheer anything-goes, lassez-faire Greed actually WRECKS THE WORLD. I do NOT want this to turn into a James Bond villain kinda thing, but a worst-case-scenario about how a cultural refusal to accept any limits or responsibility or the idea of seeing your fellow man as anything other than a potential captive consumer snowballs in unexpected ways into a world-of-shit economic disaster. Sorta like the way that forseeable AND unforseeable factors have combined with corporate and political stubborness and heel-dragging to wind up contributing to global warming.... -
Uhhhhh.....yes. When the country is in financial ruin, still stuck in a war costing upwards of 10 Billion dollars a month, and having to bail out Wall Street for a whopping $750 Billion dollars.....then yes-- the main focus should be the economy. Its real cute to see you would rather discuss your rifle or how you plan to prevent rape victims from access to an abortion, but please man-- grow a fucking brain. The country is in trouble. For once-- forget about your stupid fucking pet social issues and lets focus on what is killing this country right.
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Thx you're a genius!
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not as excellent as GoogleBox
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here's to a day in mid-November when we'll get back to more enjoyable topics on these TB's. Like Turduken, guys getting drunk and cheeting on there wives, and fat kids chest-bumping.
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shit from McCancer pissed me off. Obama should of smashed him in the face.
McCancer is rude, inconsiderate, grumpy, arrogant, just a total fuck.
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And as inspirational as always.
You have no idea what my views are on gun control(I don't own a gun or want to) or abortion (I'm pro-choice), so please stop trying to pigeon-hole me into your narrow view of what a conservative is.
There will be plenty of coverage of the financial crisis- don't you worry Mr. Dickblood. Will it be to the exclusion of every other topic relevant to voters in selecting a candidate? I hope not. And the media will be doing their audience a great disservice if that occurs. -
What topics would you like to see covered more?
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Mccain isn't perfect. Shocking. I bet Obama has zero flaws. Trying to appear blacker to appeal to black people everywhere? Yep. Fist bumps, playing Basketball... ahhh politics. You know if Superman and Batman ran for President they would both come out of the race being ridiculed and appearing to be such terrible people. It doesn't matter who you get to run, they will always be torn apart by the other side. The fact that people actually HATE a candidate amazes me. Mccain and Obama want to make the country a better place and just because they have differing opinions, it doesn't make either one a monster. I love it when people say Bush is evil... he may make bad decisions, but evil? We still get to go online and say whatever the fuck we want in a talkback. I'd say life goes on whether or not Mccain or Obama gets elected.
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as I've said the bailout and the economic issues are big topics now. I check in on this news several times a day. But we have an election coming up, and the economy, dire as it is, is one of many other issues that need to be reported regarding the candidates. Should the candidates' other policy points be ignored completely? People will be able to assimilate all of the information, believe me- their brains won't explode. So let's hear the rest of the story on the candidates, and let's have both of their platform's clarified and publicized for the masses. Wouldn't that be a good thing?
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Yeah! But what topics in general would you like the media to be sure to cover, even in the midst of this financial crisis?
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the media generally sucks. Instead of providing us with smart, serious minded people who can elevate the terms of discourse with sustained, research based conversations, we usually get O'Reilly spazzing at Frank, or Olberman bickering with Mathews at the debate desk. It sucks (with some exceptions). I'm just tying to get a sense of how you see the job of the media, in specific. If you say "Bill Ayers" I tune out.
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Didn't current president bush have 5 years of it before taking oath? Not such a good argument now is it?
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I think what you're trying to say is that Bush isn't malevolent; he doesn't generally make his decisions with malice in his heart. That doesn't make the results any less devastating for the people they affect. And to be so... studiously ignorant or uncaring about the results of your decisions? Yes, that IS evil.
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Well, as I said in a previous post, it seems like the town-hall debate, as moderated by Brokaw, failed to get into the usual social policy questions typical of that format.
It was probably the most boring, least informative debate I've seen in 12 years. There was no real candidate-audience interaction or spontaneous (i.e. non-talking-point) expression of ideas. I usually love presidential debates, but this one was infuriatingly bland.
Besides the economy (yes, extremely important) and foreign policy, I'd like to get down to definite answers from the candidates that characterize their positions on (to name a few):
Illegal immigration
Abortion rights
Stem-cell research
Gun control
These issues have receive absolutely ZERO coverage in the debates. Also, why not have more discussion on the candidates' healthcare plans (another issue with major taxation implications)?
I really feel like the lack of coverage of these and other issues has left me feeling like I don't really know the candidates very well, particularly Obama. I'm sure others feel similarly. I feel like the media are steering away from these issues for some reason. Completely out of character for them, at least when comparing coverage during the 2000 and 2004 campaigns. Ponderous, man. Ponderous. -
Sure, someday we'll put aside political differences and get back to those things that matter, as you said. But seriously, the climate around the country and the world is grim. I think Christmas spending will either boost confidence, or put the gravestone on it. I fear the latter.
I don't agree with you on the cultural issues, if only for the fact that I've always thought the MSM had sensationalized them far too much in the past, and is clearly focused on the important issues now. Shit, I think the MSM is doing a piss-poor job reporting on Iraq right now.
Anyway I just read this article at the Guardian. It says as much to your point as I could hope to:
The world needs the US to get over its cultural civil war - and fast
Timothy Garton Ash in Stanford The Guardian, Thursday October 9 2008
As if there were not enough real enemies to fight, the United States has been at war with itself in recent years. They call it the culture war. It has generated more hot air than most real wars in history. John McCain has now turned to its red army tactics to rescue himself from impending defeat - and Sarah Palin is his Katyusha.
"There is a religious war going on in our country for the soul of America," declared the conservative nationalist Pat Buchanan at the Republican national convention in 1992. "It is a cultural war, as critical to the kind of nation we will one day be as was the cold war itself." Later that year he explained that "the Bosnia of the cultural war is abortion". As Buchanan foresaw, this has been a war for power: not military power, but the kind that comes from shaping the norms, beliefs and values by which people live, and the meanings attached to words like liberalism, patriotism or, indeed, culture. The two sides in this war came to be labelled red and blue, after the colouring of Republican and Democratic states on electoral maps.
No one has generated more hot air in this cause than Fox News anchor Bill O'Reilly, who in 2006 published a book proudly called Culture Warrior. He describes the culture war as a battle between traditionalists ("T-Warriors") like himself and "the committed forces of the secular-progressive movement that want to change America dramatically: mold it in the image of western Europe". Like Europe! God, how horrible.
O'Reilly labels these secular-progressive forces "S-P", and identifies George Soros as "El Jefe of the S-P forces". In a fashion disturbingly familiar to any student of the 20th century, he illustrates this passage with an unflattering photo of the financier-philanthropist, captioned "George Soros, S-P Jefe, puppet master, and moneyman". "Born George Schwartz to a Jewish family in Hungary in 1930," he explains, "Soros assumed the identity of a gentile boy when the Nazis invaded at the start of world war II." This is what they call a Fox Fact. (It was Soros's father who changed the family name in 1936 and the Nazis did not invade Hungary until 1944: three errors in the space of one innuendo.) Anyway, what should that personal history have to do with an argument about cultural and social policies in 21st-century America?
Excoriating "leftwing outfits like the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation and the British Broadcasting Company" (Foxy Fact-checking again: it's the British Broadcasting Corporation), O'Reilly pounds the hot buttons of the culture war with a ham fist: abortion, drugs, gay marriage, not celebrating Christmas, atheism, the liberal or - as he prefers - "S-P" media and elites. The New York Times, he says in an afterword to the paperback edition, has "morphed into a brochure for secular-progressive causes". And so it goes on. And on.
Does this matter? Over the past decade it has mattered a lot. The framing of the political debate in cultural conservative terms - a counter-revolution against the cultural revolution of 1968 - contributed significantly to George Bush's election victories in 2000 and 2004. And one way of understanding the direction taken by the McCain campaign over the past few weeks is this: only the culture war can win it for us now. On Iraq, we lose. On the economy, we lose. But by caricaturing the liberal otherness of a candidate called Barack Obama, perhaps we can snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.
Enter Sarah Palin, the Katyusha rocket of red America. (I trust she won't mind a Russian analogy since, as she has informed us, you - or at least she - can see Russia from Alaska.) The selection of such an obviously under-qualified candidate for vice-president can only be explained by electoral calculation, and that calculation has everything to do with the politics of the country's cultural civil war. Her kind of down-home populist inveighing against Washington elites (add "liberal" or "S-P" according to taste) is part of the well-tried semantic armoury of the red army.
Katyusha Palin now leads the attacks on Obama. This week she has repeatedly tried to tar-and-feather him by association with former terrorist William Ayers. The not-even-subliminal message is: he's not like us, he's like them. The others: elites, liberals, subversives, immigrants and infidels, closet Europeans! Chapter one of O'Reilly's Culture Warrior begins with an imagined 2020 state of the union speech by a president of the United States called Gloria Hernandez: hispanic, and a woman to boot. Worse still, she celebrates the United States as "a diversified nation striving to be at peace with the world". How terrifying. How blood-curdling. Give us President Palin any day.
For Gloria Hernandez read Barack Obama. Or "that one", as McCain disrespectfully referred to him in Tuesday night's presidential debate. At the moment, the tactic isn't working. This election is about the economy, stupid. The pocketbook trumps the prayer book. However much McCain lauds himself as a "maverick", he can't disassociate himself from eight years of Republican rule that are ending in the biggest financial crisis since 1929 and a near-doubling of the national debt. And Obama is better on the economy: clearer, more specific, always bringing it back to the everyday struggles of ordinary Americans. In the instant-reaction polls, a clear majority thought Obama won that debate, as he is winning in most of the polls both nationwide and in key battleground states.
Even if the red-clawed tactics of culture war don't pull Obama down at the last minute, an Obama victory won't spell the end of this war. But perhaps it may spell the beginning of the end. Let's be clear: this war will not finish with a victory of blue over red, or vice versa. It will finish with the accepted, peaceful coexistence in one society of different faiths, value systems and lifestyles - along the lines laid down centuries ago by the classical liberalism of John Locke and others, which so much influenced this country's Founding Fathers. It won't be "liberals" (in the perverted sense in which that word is now used in the United States) trouncing conservatives, but classical liberalism re-made for the 21st century. It won't be blue obliterating red, but red, white and blue - as in Obama's healing promise earlier in this campaign, that there are not red states and blue states, just the United States.
The world needs the United States to get over its cultural civil war, and get over it fast. Not that these moral, cultural and social issues are unimportant. They are among the most important things. But they are also among the most private things. The business of government and the law should be confined to providing a liberal (in the classical sense) framework in which men and women can make personal choices about private goods. That should be only a small part of what government does. By contrast, the central business of government is to provide public goods such as national and personal security, the regulation of markets in which private enterprise can flourish, the international development that is in all our national interests, and a clean environment using diversified, sustainable energy supplies. That's what the United States needs from its new president, and that's what the world needs from the United States.
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And I'd like to see questions about: civil rights advocacy, POW rights/detainment policies, minimum wage, public education reform, higher education incentives, issues regarding the seperation of church and state, stem cell research, and yes. . . much more coverage on healthcare plans. These issues also received ZERO coverage. Tom Browkaw and the conservative media bias is to blame? Or was it Tom Brokaw and the liberal media bias? I can never remember which is which. . .
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McCain is absolutely wasting his time on that (and Rev. Wright, and Rezko, et al.). Let's talk ISSUES. Let's talk about the full PLATFORM each candidate is presenting. This is the kind of stuff the press usually salivates over. Why are they not pursuing these issues in debates and interviews? It's absolutely incredible how large a blind spot is being created for voters- the media seems reluctant to breach any sticky topics this year.
My cynical side says that they don't want to illuminate Obama's liberal views for fear that, if these were better known, they might energize conservatives. Better to leave things vague than have Obama go the way of Gore and Kerry, who were also relatively far-left candidates.
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can you people argue for either one of these idiots? It's like arguing over what church interperts the bible right? They are both evil bastards who will do do nothing for you. Vote for anyone else but these two puppets. Please!
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I like the spirit of it- the 'let's get away from extreme partisan bickering' part. I agree that that serves no one.
I realize that social policies are often the 'wedge issues' in camaigns, and that's not likely to change. I know many folks who vote exclusively on the abortion issue, and this seems ridiculous to me.
Still, voters should be clear on the candidates' positions. Get the information out there, I say. Better to have it all in the open and debate these things actively. I think the debates on these topics will be as emotional as always, but maybe less so in light of the economic problems we're having. I don't know. But it seems to me that it's better to have the information out there, for better or worse, than to leave things so vague. -
Ted Dibiase and the NWO platform. Straight ticket. . . and it did nothing. But at least I voted by conscience.
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Do you believe that like David Gergen mentioned, that Obama might lose 6 points on election day just because he's black?
That when it comes down to it, people that are voting for Obama in the polls, change there vote in the booths. That they get cold feet at the last minute. Like they did in the 1982 California governor race. Tom Bradley was leading in the polls but lost the race.
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Particularly education reform and incentives. I've paid pretty close attention to the candidates this season, but I just realized I have only a vague idea about what either has proposed regarding pubic education reform and tuition incentives. I suppose that the official McCain and Obama websites will have platform discussions, but that's not the same as hearing it from the candidates directly. Hope we see more of that soon.
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I think the reason we always see a decline is because Democrats are more likely to answer pollsters.
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Nope. I think it's 25 years later, and there are plenty of reasons for people to justify not liking Obama directly in a poll, without being afriad someone might play a race card on them. Plus, most recent elections with black candidates have not shown any major differences with polls vs. vote counts. If anything cell phone/youth + new voters (two groupds that cannot particpate in most polls) will swing it a few points the other way.
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John Adams referred to public education as the "fourth branch" of government. The right to vote doesn't matter if your country's population has no critical thinking or basic literacy beyond Cosmo and the National Enquirer. If negative ads for any side ever work, I blame it on a failing public education system.
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I did that on purpose to highlight the importance of the 3 Rs. Yeah, that's the ticket. . .
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ON SARAH PALIN:
"[Sarah Palin] represents a fatal cancer to the Republican party. When I first started in journalism, I worked at the National Review for Bill Buckley. And Buckley famously said he'd rather be ruled by the first 2,000 names in the Boston phone book than by the Harvard faculty. But he didn't think those were the only two options. He thought it was important to have people on the conservative side who celebrated ideas, who celebrated learning. And his whole life was based on that, and that was also true for a lot of the other conservatives in the Reagan era. Reagan had an immense faith in the power of ideas. But there has been a counter, more populist tradition, which is not only to scorn liberal ideas but to scorn ideas entirely. And I'm afraid that Sarah Palin has those prejudices. I think President Bush has those prejudices."
ON JOE BIDEN:
""The New York Times columnist also said that the "great virtue" of Palin's counterpart, Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden, is that he is anything but a "yes man."
"[Biden] can't not say what he thinks," Brooks remarked. "There's no internal monitor, and for Barack Obama, that's tremendously important to have a vice president who will be that way. Our current president doesn't have anybody like that."
ON BARACK OBAMA:
Brooks also spent time praising Obama's intellect and skills in social perception, telling two stories of his interactions with Obama that left him "dazzled":
"Obama has the great intellect. I was interviewing Obama a couple years ago, and I'm getting nowhere with the interview, it's late in the night, he's on the phone, walking off the Senate floor, he's cranky. Out of the blue I say, 'Ever read a guy named Reinhold Niebuhr?' And he says, 'Yeah.' So i say, 'What did Niebuhr mean to you?' For the next 20 minutes, he gave me a perfect description of Reinhold Niebuhr's thought, which is a very subtle thought process based on the idea that you have to use power while it corrupts you. And I was dazzled, I felt the tingle up my knee as Chris Matthews would say.
And the other thing that does separate Obama from just a pure intellectual: he has tremendous powers of social perception. And this is why he's a politician, not an academic. A couple of years ago, I was writing columns attacking the Republican congress for spending too much money. And I throw in a few sentences attacking the Democrats to make myself feel better. And one morning I get an email from Obama saying, 'David, if you wanna attack us, fine, but you're only throwing in those sentences to make yourself feel better.' And it was a perfect description of what was going through my mind. And everybody who knows Obama all have these stories to tell about his capacity for social perception."
Brooks predicted an Obama victory by nine points, and said that although he found Obama to be "a very mediocre senator," he was is surrounded by what Brooks called "by far the most impressive people in the Democratic party."
"He's phenomenally good at surrounding himself with a team," Brooks said. "I disagree with them on most issues, but I am given a lot of comfort by the fact that the people he's chosen are exactly the people I think most of us would want to choose if we were in his shoes. So again, I have doubts about him just because he was such a mediocre senator, but his capacity to pick staff is impressive."
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Oct 08, 2008 10:50:38 PM CDT
LONG BUT INFORMATIVE ARTICLE ON PREPARING TRANSITION TEAMS
by bringingsexyback
Judge for yourselves:
Sam Stein
Obama, McCain Transition Efforts Are Worlds Apart
October 8, 2008 10:46PM
As the 2008 campaign nears its conclusion, the presidential transition efforts of the two major candidates have become a study in contrasts: Sen. Barack Obama has organized an elaborate well-staffed network to prepare for his possible ascension to the White House, while Sen. John McCain has all but put off such work until after the election.
The Democratic nominee has enlisted the assistance of dozens of individuals -- divided into working groups for particular federal agencies -- to produce policy agendas and lists of recommended appointees. As evidence of their advanced preparations, officials provided a copy of the strict ethics guidelines that individuals working on the transition effort are required to sign.
John McCain, by contrast, has done little. Campaign spokespersons did not respond to requests for elaboration. But one official with direct knowledge, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, expressed concern with McCain's approach. The Arizona Senator has instructed his team to not spend time on the transition effort, according to the source, both out of a desire to have complete focus on winning the election as well as a superstitious belief that the campaign shouldn't put the cart before the horse.
Virtually every modern non-incumbent presidential candidate has organized, during the course of the campaign, a transition effort to prepare for the early months of a potential administration. These teams help build lists and vet individuals who could serve in key government posts. They hammer out proposals to facilitate policy making from day one. And they work closely with outgoing administration officials to better understand the true lay of the political land.
Governance scholars consider the process invaluable, particularly as the nation struggles with a major economic crisis, two active wars, and a range of domestic security threats. "Our enemies understand how potentially vulnerable we are in the transition from one administration to the next," Clay Johnson III, former Executive Director of the Bush-Cheney Presidential Transition, said recently at a forum on transition planning. "This is something we need to be very, very seriously prepared for."
With 100 or so days before the next president takes office, Obama's transition effort has been organized into roughly a dozen teams of six to eight people to plot out the approach for each agency, according to a Democratic official. The ethics code governing the process prohibits staff from working on subjects that could be deemed a financial conflict of interests, either to that member or that member's family.
Under the code - a copy of which can be viewed here - lobbyists will be able to serve on the Obama transition team provided it has been more than a year since he or she lobbied on the subject to which they have been assigned. Current federally registered lobbyists will not be "permitted to serve in a titled role for the Obama Transition Project," nor for that matter will they be allowed to "contribute to or collect contributions for the Obama Transition Project."
There is less known about what the McCain campaign has been doing, partially because there are fewer details to unearth. The GOP nominee has tasked his transition to William Timmons, a well-known Washington hand and long-time lobbyist. According to a source close to the effort, Timmons has held conference calls with campaign officials and is plotting out various aspects to the impending transition. There is not, at this time, an ethics policy in place, the source says.
A call to Timmons went unreturned. "Bill does not talk to the press but I'll tell him you called," said his secretary. "Thank you."
The disparate approach that each campaign has taken to the transition process is in some ways a reflection of the personality of the candidates themselves. Obama's efforts have been criticized as presumptuous by the McCain campaign. But veterans of the process argue that the well-organized plan that Obama is pursuing will help ensure smooth continuity between administrations, not to mention avoid embarrassing political hiccups.
"Government is becoming more complex and the time it is taking to put a leadership team in key departments is taking longer," said P.J. Crowley, who heads the Homeland Security Presidential Transition Initiative at the Center for American Progress. "I think that if a campaign is waiting until November 5 to start the transition process, they are going to be behind. It is not being presumptuous -- it is being prudent to be prepared before the election so that you can at least make the transition process effective as possible and be ready to govern on January 20."
The president and CEO of the Center for American Progress, former White House chief of staff John Podesta, is reportedly heading up Obama's transition team.
McCain, in contrast, appears willing to tackle important aspects of his potential transition in real time. It is a stance that fits the Senator's sometimes ad hoc approach to politics, and one that allows him to focus staff and resources on the pending election. McCain's transition would also be less drastic than Obama's since, in all likelihood, there will not be as vast an ideological and staff shifts.
But this approach could create significant obstacles down the road. For example, as Crowley notes, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld had only a fraction of his leadership team in place on 9/11 - roughly eight months after his President Bush took office.
"It is irresponsible not to have a well organized, thoughtful vigorous transition, right now," said Mickey Kantor, a Clinton administration official who was there for the 1992 transition and who has consulted with the Obama campaign about its efforts. "I am surprised that John McCain would take that position. This government is very complicated. And I don't care how many years you have spent on it you don't truly understand it until you get to the middle of it." -
I agree they should probably ease up on talking about it at the last debate. These guys haven't got a handle on it enough to tell us what they're going to do about it. I mean, that's the problem - it's a big fuckin' problem. It's unlikely a magic bullet will be discovered for one of the candidates to deliver in under two minutes at the next debate (though McCain's claim that he knows how to catch Bin Laden makes me wonder ...).On the other hand, I appreciate not getting into wedge issues too much. Not that they're not important but there are certain topics that get people way more riled up than is warranted. They are hot buttons in the culture war as described in that above article, and I'd prefer we stay away from that shit as much as possible and get more into the nuts and bolts of these guys' visions.And no, the economic problem is not going away. Even if coverage subsides, people are gonna be feeling the pinch. I doubt Christmas does anything but worsen things. The market looks how it looks today because people see the writing on the wall.
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Where are those quotes from?
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Oct 08, 2008 11:06:17 PM CDT
THIS CRISIS DOES NOT LAY AT THE FEET OF THE POOR, BUT AT INVESTO
by bringingsexyback
The poor don't abandon their properties readily because they are primary residences. Foreclosures had accelerated by investors dumping properties in which they had zero equity, taking advantage of the no-money down mortgages - and therefore accelerated declining market values across the board.
Here's a CNN article that shines a light on this problem:
CHICAGO, Illinois (CNN) -- Sheriff Thomas J. Dart said Wednesday he is suspending foreclosure evictions in Cook County, which had been on track to reach a record number of evictions, many because of mortgage foreclosures.
Sheriff Thomas J. Dart of Cook County, Illinois, says proper eviction procedures aren't always been followed.
He said many of the evictions involve renters who are paying their rent on time but are being thrown out because the landlord has fallen behind on mortgage payments.
Mortgage companies are supposed to identify a building's occupants before asking for an eviction, but sheriff's deputies routinely find that the mortgage companies have not done so, he said.
"These mortgage companies only see pieces of paper, not people, and don't care who's in the building," Dart said. "They simply want their money and don't care who gets hurt along the way.
"On top of it all, they want taxpayers to fund their investigative work for them. We're not going to do their jobs for them anymore. We're just not going to evict innocent tenants. It stops today."
Dart said he wants the judiciary or the state Legislature to establish protections for those most harmed by the mortgage crisis.
In 1999, Cook County had 12,935 mortgage foreclosure cases; in 2006, 18,916 cases were filed and last year, 32,269 were filed. This year's total is expected to exceed 43,000.
"The people we're interacting with are, many times, oblivious to the financial straits their landlord might be in," Dart said. "They are the innocent victims here and they are the ones all of us must step up and find some way to protect."
The Illinois Bankers Association opposed the plan, saying that Dart "was elected to uphold the law and to fulfill the legal duties of his office, which include serving eviction notices."
The association said Dart could be found in contempt of court for ignoring court eviction orders.
"The reality is that by ignoring the law and his legal responsibilities, he is carrying out 'vigilantism' at the highest level of an elected official," it said. "The Illinois banking industry is working hard to help troubled homeowners in many ways, but Sheriff Dart's declaration of 'marshal law' should not be tolerated."
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...with their long hair and their free love. They should all be deported.
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Get away from there, grumpy old fart...
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missed that one.
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http://tinyurl.com/5u5ec8
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I've stayed out of this, but I remember that piece of utter horseshit from immortal fish, the ninja counsellour. The reason, dickhead, that you got saughtered is that you go down with the rest of your dickhead friends and berate rape victims in an attempt to bully them into keeping the kid. And don't fucking pretend that isn't what you do. You are a grossly insensitive cunt with a moral compass skewed into the stratosphere of self-righteousness. You are also spectacularly oblivious and a complete and utter cunt. Take your fucking hypocrisy and condescension and jam it up your arse.
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http://tinyurl.com/4bcegc
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I love The ninja counsellor painting himself as some sort of victimised, tolerant guy. He isn't. He's a pompous, intolerant right-wing neo-fascist shitbag. Don't be fooled. This message is for TB information and is sponsored by the CoC.
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The thing that bemuses me here is that, despite party differences (thankfully I live in Wales, so I don't give a shit about either party) you guys all want change in the country. This is good. Go with this - try and find common ground for what you want changed.
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That's always part of the Ultra-Christian mindset, isn't it? "No matter WHAT happened to you - Jesus suffered MORE. Which makes Me better than You. It's YOUR fault that you can't see how Humble and Compassionate I'm being here."
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Mate I'm a (non-practicing, as in I believe in the basic gist, but dislike some of the tenants) Christian, and I think if people are preaching to you in that way then they suck. Period. If you want to show that you're a good person, treat people as equals and stop acting above them.
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Oct 09, 2008 6:48:26 AM CDT
Told you so,,,Acorn investigated in Cleveland now
by the real jack bauer
The US Census Bureau reports that the 2006 Cuyahoga County (Cleveland) population count was 1,314,241, a 5.7% drop-off from the 2000 census. The census also reports that 30.7% are under the age of 18. That leaves about 910,000 voting age adults. The number of eligible voters is even lower, if you subtract felons and illegal aliens. ACORN's Cleveland spokesman Kris Harsh reports collecting 100,000 voter registration cards! How? Are we really to believe that ACORN not only found but registered 100,000 legitimate, previously unregistered Cuyahoga County voters? It's prima facie fraud. Again, THIS is what Barack Obama did as a "community organizer".
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I do believe I was addressing the ULTRA-Christian mindset, and their constant need to pretend that they're being persecuted for their beliefs and that nobody can see how laid back and reasonable they actually are.
Now why would that compel you to feel that I was addressing you?
And I don't think I'm ABOVE them - heaven forfend - I'm just in the mood to piss all over to a few religious bigot's self-righteousness and self-love. Hell, I'm ALWAYS in the mood for that.
Trust me, "mate" - I treat everybody as equals from the get-go. Until THEY start hassling me or others about our moral inferiority and their own personal wonderfulness, that is. Wouldn't you agree that "Equality" includes the notion of "Everything is Fair Game"? Can't be playing favorites, no no no.... -
Democrats always talk about Election Fraud but isnt it Ironic Barack Obama formerly represented ACORN and taught classes for their future leaders. While he served on the Board of Directors of the Woods Foundation, that group received about $200,000 from ACORN. When he began his presidential run, Obama paid ACORN more than $800,000 to help 'Get Out the Vote'--although it was not originally reported that way to the FEC..The same people that are being investigated now for voter fraud.Registered the whole Dallas Cowboys lineup in Nevada and same people repeatedly in all the battle states. Can we say the Democrats are Hypocrites?Or is this just another instance of many that Obama did not know anything about it.
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In April, eight ACORN workers in St. Louis city and county pleaded guilty to federal election fraud for submitting false registration cards for the 2006 election. U.S. Attorney Catherine Hanaway said they submitted cards with false addresses and names, and forged signatures.
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Your logic has no traction.....simple
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Yes, they rile me something chronic. And that earlier post was referring to that intergalactic turd Immortal Fish. If I could be arsed (and it didn't make me feel dirty to do) I'd go and dig up the Talkback the ginormous carbuncle is referring to- it's one of the most grossly insensitive fucking things I've ever read. A complete fucking cunt. And then to have the brass balls to say "I'm really pro-choice, but they all picked on me, filthy liberals, and I'm misunderstood" is unbe-fucking-lievable. He's only doing it because this TB is full of people that didn't see the other one.
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All of it, including any improprieties at ACORN. It's deadly serious, and all Americans should know every detail. Every detail. As for me, I have to say "finally!" This finally explains the inexplicable attacks on "community organizers" during the Republican National Convention. I was like, "what the hell? Where did THAT come from?" NOW I get it, NOW I understand. . . nice set up for the ACORN October Surprise. Certainly beats a dicussion of the issues, eh? Obama is a Muslim, a terrorist, and how a Cheater! I guess that Checkma- whoa, not so fast. . . On the other hand, I said Americans should know EVERY DETAIL, so I look forward to learning all about this in the next few weeks. Generalized allegations are not enough, I want hard evidence that there was imporpriety on the organization's level, not just a few bad-apple volunteers (of whom ACORN is legally responsibile to report and apparently did report, several times). Unless you already watch Fox (and I assume you do), this is not a game changer for anyone until someone inside the organization is arrested on proof of voter fraud. By all means, lets have a thoughough investigation of course, the more intensive, the more foolish it becomes if there are no arrests . . . so good luck with that.
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There were arrests, albiet a few, this is only the tip of the proverbial iceberg.. ALL Fraud should be investigated,, meaning both sides. It dilutes all of our collective voting rights
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ALL fraud should be investigated.
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Can't say I'm surprised
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...big F surprise!
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I think there is a mistaken equation of registration fraud with voter fraud.
http://www.slate.com/id/2166589/
After exhaustive effort, the Department of Justice discovered virtually no polling-place voter fraud, and its efforts to fire the U.S. attorneys in battleground states who did not push the voter-fraud line enough has backfired.
In 5-Year Effort, Scant Evidence of Voter Fraud
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/washington/12fraud.html?ei=5088&en=277feccfa099c7d0&ex=1334030400&pagewanted=all
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...a second class citizen is a morally bankrupt belief.I'm not surprised that there are some relatively level-headed (if slightly misguided) conservatives around here and it actually gives me hope that if I'm willing to be flexible on an issue, they'll respond in kind.The issues begin when you tell a woman what she can or can't do with her body. You might see the formless blob of cells in her uterus as a living being but unless you would be willing to carry that child for 9 months in your own gut, then that collection of cells remains inside of her and therefore it is her body.Maybe if the conservative party hadn't allowed themselves to be shanghaied by evangelicals, they wouldn't be so prudish about sex and would make sex education and contraception a national issue. Helping to curb unwanted pregnancies is the first step at reducing the need for abortions.But the minute you tell a woman she cannot make her own choice or that a gay couple does not have the same rights as you and your wife, you are no better than a man from the 1800s who told a woman she was not able to vote. And that's where a liberal like myself cannot see the logic. I have to assume you think slavery was wrong and women's suffrage was good. Yet you still want to tell a fellow human being that they are not permitted the same basic liberties you grant yourself? That does not compute.Someone yesterday brought up a great point. The big difference between a conservative and a liberal is that a conservative wants what they want but don't offer solutions. They push a pro-life agenda but refuse to address sex education. They push a pro-gun agenda but resist the checks and balances that need to be in place to make sure a highly unstable person isn't trying to buy one. They want to kick out all the illegal immigrants but give no thought to how high living costs will increase when employers are forced to pay laborers over the table.With some rhetoric and saber rattling, the Bush administration and the mainstream media convinced conservatives that invading Iraq was the right course of action. They bought wholesale the lies and distortion Bush and Powell fed the world about how it was in our best interest to oust Saddam and try to bring stability to the region.When asked how we would pay for the whole thing, the answer was simple. When the oil started flowing, the invasion would pay for itself. Sadly, that was enough for all conservatives and those idiot Democrats who voted in favor of this mess.But those wacky liberals like myself considered the bigger picture. Rhetoric simply wasn't enough. We saw the probable outcome and it wasn't the rosy picture Rumsfeld painted.I remember telling people in 2003 that the war would be the catalyst that would ruin our economy. Gas would skyrocket and then goods and services would follow. And I wasn't the only one who realized this. So excuse me if I sound like the king of arrogance, but I tend to think modern liberals are a little more free thinking the current crop of neocons. One need look no further than the Elizabeth Hasselbeck types to see they are only capable of sputtering out Fox News talking points without doing any real research of their own. Does Obama have some shady acquaintances and questionable choices in his past? Hells yeah. But so does our current president (bin Laden family and the House of Saud), a guy they voted for TWICE. And let's face it, both Obama and McCain are in bed with people who knowingly destroyed our retirement funds and allowed the current crisis to happen.Amy Chasing brought up what everyone seems to ignore. People don't just vote for the president but for the administration he's going to surround himself with. If George Bush had called his cabinet into the war room on 09/12/2001 and told them he wanted to invade Iraq, no ands, ifs or buts, it would not have happened if everyone in his administration refused to back him. If Cheney and company had told George to STFU and go back to playing with his Lego set, Saddam would still be alive and in power today.So a vote for either Obama or McCain is a vote for the people they will surround themselves with. All of McCain's experience or Obama's lack of it won't matter when they consult with their advisers. Yes, the president makes some tough decisions but he's really only as useful as his administration and Congress allows him to be.The president's main job is to comfort the American people. That's something Bush did plenty of back in 2001 and 2002, but he's been absent since the primaries and inexcusably so during the financial meltdown over the past few months. In that sense, he's failing miserably at his job. Lastly, McCain surrounds himself with jackals like Lindsey Graham and Phil Gramm who are so out of touch with what the lower and middle classes are going through right now you wonder if they snub talking to people who make less than they do. McCain, and his people, strike me as a clan who are so dismissive and bitter that they would fiddle as Rome burned.Obama may be a snake oil salesman but at least he'll give us reassurance by knowing how much we're paying for a gallon of gas and that we're in anything BUT a mental recession.
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No one is denying ACORN is in trouble.....the investigation will spread. But this will never be linked to Obama or his campaign. Keep wishing.
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And just the fact that your side needs some sort of scandal to have any chance in hell at beating Obama. That is fucking pathetic.
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Keeping up the good fight I see.
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I think you just earned yourself a bonus.
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Your point about a vote for candidate is also a vote for his administration is right on the money. I am confident that Obama will put together one of the greatest administrations this country has ever seen. McCain like you pointed out, will surround himself with the same right wing jerk-offs out of touch with working America. -
Its not so much that I want to continue talking politics day after day.....to quote the great Richard Gere, "I GOT NO PLACE ELSE TO GO!!!!!!!!!!!"
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Damn. And I hate that fucker.
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Greg Sargent noted on Wednesday how the McCain campaign seems to want it both ways when it comes to using William Ayers as a campaign issue. After suggesting that it was "off the table" and that it couldn't compete with economic issues, the campaign has dispatched Sarah Palin to make repeated references to Ayers.
Now it appears, however, that the campaign is coming down firmly on the "pro" side of whether or not to use Ayers as an issue -- with the release of a 90-second ad titled, simply, "Ayers." Produced exclusively for the web, it appears designed to fight with the economic crisis for cable news coverage.
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Oct 09, 2008 9:34:28 AM CDT
Hobo....you need to make an effort to resurrect the CoC....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
You were wrong saying its zhura that ruined our group. Its the FUCKING ELECTION!!
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Oct 09, 2008 9:35:21 AM CDT
holy shit....how weird.....we had the same thought...
by dannyglovers_dickblood
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I dunno. Not many of us around lately. My theory is the unstable economy and massive job loss and prospect of unemployment....all that shit is contributing to TB'ers fuck around on the internet a lot less these days. Probably 75% of the people I see around now are brand new. And I know so because they comment on my name like they've never seen me.... -
I hope so because that post took me two hours to write.
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Scroll up to 8:53:31 pm last night....
Y'know what REALLY pisees me off about the bailout? It's that these reckless cocksuckers get a pass and there is absolutely no requirements for them to make any restitution to the hundreds of thousands of investors that got fucked by their greed. None. No plan to set aside future earnings to restore the losses suffered by the innocent, no demand to Own Up, just "HERE ya go - PLEASE don't fuck it up AGAIN." -
Oct 09, 2008 9:44:38 AM CDT
U.S. Officers' "Phone Sex" Intercepted, Recorded, Shared Across
by dannyglovers_dickblood
Despite pledges by President George W. Bush and American intelligence officials to the contrary, hundreds of US citizens overseas have been eavesdropped on as they called friends and family back home, according to two former military intercept operators who worked at the giant National Security Agency (NSA) center in Fort Gordon, Georgia.
"These were just really everyday, average, ordinary Americans who happened to be in the Middle East, in our area of intercept and happened to be making these phone calls on satellite phones," said Adrienne Kinne, a 31-year old US Army Reserves Arab linguist assigned to a special military program at the NSA's Back Hall at Fort Gordon from November 2001 to 2003.
Kinne described the contents of the calls as "personal, private things with Americans who are not in any way, shape or form associated with anything to do with terrorism."
She said US military officers, American journalists and American aid workers were routinely intercepted and "collected on" as they called their offices or homes in the United States.
Another intercept operator, former Navy Arab linguist, David Murfee Faulk, 39, said he and his fellow intercept operators listened into hundreds of Americans picked up using phones in Baghdad's Green Zone from late 2003 to November 2007.
"Calling home to the United States, talking to their spouses, sometimes their girlfriends, sometimes one phone call following another," said Faulk.
The accounts of the two former intercept operators, who have never met and did not know of the other's allegations, provide the first inside look at the day to day operations of the huge and controversial US terrorist surveillance program.
"There is a constant check to make sure that our civil liberties of our citizens are treated with respect," said President Bush at a news conference this past February.
But the accounts of the two whistleblowers, which could not be independently corroborated, raise serious questions about how much respect is accorded those Americans whose conversations are intercepted in the name of fighting terrorism.
Faulk says he and others in his section of the NSA facility at Fort Gordon routinely shared salacious or tantalizing phone calls that had been intercepted, alerting office mates to certain time codes of "cuts" that were available on each operator's computer.
"Hey, check this out," Faulk says he would be told, "there's good phone sex or there's some pillow talk, pull up this call, it's really funny, go check it out. It would be some colonel making pillow talk and we would say, 'Wow, this was crazy'," Faulk told ABC News.
Faulk said he joined in to listen, and talk about it during breaks in Back Hall's "smoke pit," but ended up feeling badly about his actions.
"I feel that it was something that the people should not have done. Including me," he said.
In testimony before Congress, then-NSA director Gen. Michael Hayden, now director of the CIA, said private conversations of Americans are not intercepted.
"It's not for the heck of it. We are narrowly focused and drilled on protecting the nation against al Qaeda and those organizations who are affiliated with it," Gen. Hayden testified.
He was asked by Senator Orrin Hatch (R-UT), "Are you just doing this because you just want to pry into people's lives?"
"No, sir," General Hayden replied.
NSA awarded Adrienne Kinne a NSA Joint Service Achievement Medal in 2003 at the same time she says she was listening to hundreds of private conversations between Americans, including many from the International Red Cross and Doctors without Borders.
"We knew they were working for these aid organizations," Kinne told ABC News. "They were identified in our systems as 'belongs to the International Red Cross' and all these other organizations. And yet, instead of blocking these phone numbers we continued to collect on them," she told ABC News.
A spokesman for Doctors Without Borders, Michael Goldfarb, said: "The abuse of humanitarian action through intelligence gathering for military or political objectives, threatens the ability to assist populations and undermines the safety of humanitarian aid workers."
Both Kinne and Faulk said their military commanders rebuffed questions about listening in to the private conversations of Americans talking to Americans.
"It was just always, that , you know, your job is not to question. Your job is to collect and pass on the information," Kinne said.
"By casting the net so wide and continuing to collect on Americans and aid organizations, it's almost like they're making the haystack bigger and it's harder to find that piece of information that might actually be useful to somebody," she said. "You're actually hurting our ability to effectively protect our national security."
Both former intercept operators came forward at first to speak with investigative journalist Jim Bamford for a book on the NSA, "The Shadow Factory," to be published next week.
"It's extremely rare," said Bamford, who has written two previous books on the NSA, including the landmark "Puzzle Palace" which first revealed the existence of the super secret spy agency.
"Both of them felt that what they were doing was illegal and improper, and immoral, and it shouldn't be done, and that's what forces whistleblowers."
A spokesman for General Hayden, Mark Mansfield, said: "At NSA, the law was followed assiduously. The notion that General Hayden sanctioned or tolerated illegalities of any sort is ridiculous on its face."
In a written statement, Gen. Alexander said: "We have been entrusted to protect and defend the nation with integrity, accountability, and respect for the law. As Americans, we take this obligation seriously. Our employees work tirelessly for the good of the nation, and serve this country proudly."
Asked for comment about the ABC News report and accounts of intimate and private phone calls of military officers being passed around, a US intelligence official said "all employees of the US government" should expect that their telephone conversations could be monitored as part of an effort to safeguard security and "information assurance."
"They certainly didn't consent to having interceptions of their telephone sex conversations being passed around like some type of fraternity game," said Jonathon Turley, a constitutional law professor at George Washington University who has testified before Congress on the country's warrantless surveillance program.
"This story is to surveillance law what Abu Ghraib was to prison law," Turley said.
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"McCain's Final Act Of Desperation"?
D-Man - they're just warming up - you'll be seeing photoshopped pics of Obama gnawing the legs off of baby white girls before November the 4th. And Hannity, of course, will be screaming, "I'M JUST REPORTING THE NEWS! HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO KNOW THAT PICTURE OF BIDEN KICKING AN ELDERLY JEW IN THE NUTS WAS FAKED?" -
Bitching about the debates focusing too much on the economy?!! Holy mother of all fucks!! He actually believes Brokaw was pulling for Obama because he wouldn't bring up gun control? Oh fuck off with that lame ass horse shit. Anything to divert the attention away from the issue that is destroying McCain right? Get your head out of the diseased pussy of right wing social issues for one fucking second and think about the state of this country for once. Country First, right? Isn't that old Rot Face's slogan?
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I read through that whole article and cry SHENANIGANS on you Dickblood. There was no sex in that at all- it was some rather dull and unsurprising surveillance shit. And the CoC will never die. The Election bores a lot of us to tears, and fucks up AICN with endless threads of the same shite but we're still about. Even lost brother kloipy returns every now and again. Have faith in the power of Burt's stache, The Chin, and 2true's sharpened pencil and all will be fine. Don't make them send Warwick, the Holy messenger Dwarf to reaffirm your faith
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1. The event that gave the BE its name -- the 1982 California gubernatorial election, when Tom Bradley, the black mayor of Los Angeles, polled well and then lost resoundingly -- took place 26 years ago. Don't you think the world has changed a little bit since then, especially regarding tolerance? Consider a prejudice once thought to be even more intense than racial prejudice: If we've made even a quarter of the progress in racial matters that we have in issues regarding sexuality, that alone turns the Bradley Effect on its ear.
2. There are 60 million Americans of voting age who hadn't yet reached the age of eight in 1982. Don't you think their racial attitudes are different from the people who have disappeared from the voting roles in that time -- namely, their dead grandparents?
3. Tennessee, 2006: The Democratic candidate for the Senate was a black man, Harold Ford. Tennessee hadn't elected a Democrat to the Senate since 1990. George Bush carried the state in 2004 by a 14 point margin. Republicans ran an ad, right before Election Day, suggesting that Ford had a taste for white women. In this very red state, with a black population of only 17%, Ford lost by just 3 percentage points. More to the point, he did better in the election than in the pre-election polling.
4. One recent, ill-conceived analysis suggests that 6% of people polled will not admit that they will not vote for a black man. Ask yourself: even if this were accurate, how many of them would be likely to vote for a liberal Democrat anyway? How many of them live in states that McCain is going to carry no matter what, like Texas or Mississippi? How many live in states that Obama is going to carry no matter what, like New York or California?
5. Finally, and most importantly, isn't there another shoe to drop on this issue -- namely, the number of people who will vote for Obama because he's black? I'm not talking about white voters who think it's time for a black president, or who want to feel good about their own racial attitudes -- those are Democratic voters in any case. I'm talking about the increased turnout among black voters. In recent elections, 51% of registered blacks voters showed up at the polls. Do you think that number will be up 10%? 20%? More? So do I. And that's just registered black voters. Registration of new black voters in states like Virginia and North Carolina has been one of the Obama organization's most notable accomplishments.
As a result, I'm looking for the debut of the Obama Effect -- a level of increased participation among black voters that may change the electoral map for years to come.
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Oct 09, 2008 9:55:28 AM CDT
I'm sorry Jarv...wish there was more phone sex as well...
by dannyglovers_dickblood
I was hoping to get some detailed transcripts....FUCK!!
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McCain and Palin whipped up recently in the Midwest? They seemed shocked by the reaction themselves. McCain asked "Who is the real Barack Obama?" (once again implying he's a muslim terrorist) and the the place explodes into jeering shouts.
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Great post! I think the choice of Biden for Obama and Palin for McCain confirms your last point perfectly. The Obama cabinet will be full of brilliant men and women in their fields, not a bunch of cronies and Bush pals. I live near Houston, and it's funny how people around here point to recent FEMA problems as a sign that government will always be incapable. I always point out that Republican Government is DESIGNED to be incapable. If you don't respect the position in the first place, you're going to appoint a series of dumbasses who turn their position into a self-fulfiling prophecy. Bush cabinet and high level appointments have crystalized that sad fact. You're right, HOD, That's a major difference that gets little attention.
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Oct 09, 2008 10:52:23 AM CDT
MCCAIN STICKS IT TO THE AMERICAN TAXPAYERS ONCE AGAIN
by bringingsexyback
McCain changes homeowner plan Mike Allen
Thu Oct 9, 12:29 AM ET
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) made an overnight change in the homeowner bailout he proposed at Tuesday’s presidential debate, making it more generous to financial institutions and more costly for taxpayers.
McCain's staff says it was always meant that way.
When McCain sprung his surprise idea at the start of the debate in Nashville, his campaign posted details online of his American Homeownership Resurgence Plan, which would direct the government to buy up bad home mortgages, allowing strapped people to keep their property.
The document posted and e-mailed by the McCain campaign on Tuesday night says at the end of its first full paragraph: “Lenders in these cases must recognize the loss that they’ve already suffered.”
So the government would buy the mortgages at a discounted rate, reflecting the declining value of the mortgage paper.
But when McCain reissued the document on Wednesday, that sentence was missing, to the dismay of many conservatives.
That would mean the U.S. would pay face value for the troubled documents, which was the main reason Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) gave for opposing the plan.
A McCain campaign official explained the change: “That language was mistakenly included in the initial draft and it’s been corrected. It doesn’t reflect the intentions of the initiative, which necessitated the correction and the removal of the sentence. A simple mistake.”
Obama Campaign Economic Policy Director Jason Furman said in the campaign statement opposing McCain's plan: "John McCain wants the government to massively overpay for mortgages in a plan that would guarantee taxpayers lose money, and put them at risk of losing even more if home values don’t recover. The biggest beneficiaries of this plan will be the same financial institutions that got us into this mess, some of whom even committed fraud."
The McCain campaign estimates in both documents that the plan would cost about $300 billion.
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I'm the first person to admit that the Democrats have really let me down since 2003. They all got behind Bush and voted for the war and since they've been in control of Congress, they've catered to many of his whims. Clinton has let me down with his a-holish attitude and Reid and Pelosi are hateful jerks I want to smash in the face.But for all my rhetoric over whoever wins we lose, let's be frank. There is some difference.Gore would not have involved us in Iraq and you know his response to Katrina would have been instant. Gore's a tremendous hypocrite who needs to gargle Danny's discharge, but you have to think he'd be more compassionate than the current crew who only seems interested in pilfering the coffers further before they have to vacate.You notice how no one, not even Bush, is talking about his legacy these days? It's like even Bush has given up any hope of being remembered as a semi-competent president. I saw him addressing a crowd on C-Span last night and it actually surprised me to recall that he's still our president considering what a non-entity he's been since the primaries. It was like, "Oh yeah, I remember this guy!"
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McCain/Palin know damn well what they are doing. They are trying to rile up their base in a frenzy of racism and fear. They are basically encouraging violence toward Obama. Shit like KILL HIM and TERRORIST being screamed from the crowd is not fucking cool. It is sad desperation at its worst. They are horrible human beings and this is becoming more and more clear. Its not funny anymore.....they are the scary ones.
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Clearwater, Florida, where a man was heard to shout "Kill him!" when Palin referenced Obama and his "close association" to Ayers.Here's my cheapie: I'm sure it's Katie Couric's fault, or the utterly 'liberal' media in general (and those same zealots...er..uh, followers at the rally were shouting taunts and racial epithets to members of the media who were present! wtf!?).I'd say Palin isn't directly responsible for the comment but she speaks of Obama, by inference, as being a terrorist. Even if that isn't the objective truth, and I'll grant you that it is not an absolute; she did not chastise the person who made what is obviously a depraved statement. What's that? She didn't hear him? Oh of course; that makes sense doesn't it? No problem; but why then didn't she or McCain say anything about it after she heard about the incident? Considering the Secret Service is investigating, there is simply no way you can convince me she knows nothing about it.I don't care who you want to win, if you cannot see that as either stupidly reckless or just arrogantly oblivious, then you've moved from the realm of reasonable and honorable debate to...well..you may as well start beating the shit out of your opponent (read: enemy) instead of doing anything resembling civilized behavior. Fuck it right? These people want to destroy *your* America so you better go and beat the shit out of them every day. I won't speak of killing people as talk of barbarism closes one half of the argument. But that's the point...these nutcase zealots aren't true conservatives or republicans. All they know about policy is the "Liberals HATE America and want to take all our money and our guns!". Some of that is valid for debate and some of it is bullshit but it doesn't matter. You know the saying: the size of the mob is inversely proportional to its intelligence. But let's add another...humanity. The size of a mob is inversely proportional to its humanity.True republicans/conservatives: you are too intelligent and obviously civilized to fall for this bullshit but then you are also likely not to be dangerous to people who disagree with you. Reasonable people aren't obviously! But then we're not talking about intelligent or reasonable people here. We're talking about the mob. And mobs have been known to tear another living human being limb from limb. I think a non-response from the McCain campaign on this issue is quite sad. Any other Republican hopeful in past elections (including circa 2000 McCain) would have immediately seen past the partisan nonsense, recognized the danger implicit in not utterly condemning such depraved hostility and murderous intent, and called it out for what it was, a dangerous precedent undeserving of a place in America or any other civilized nation.
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Becasue he travels the world in a jet to talk about climate chnage. What the fuck is he supposed to do, flap his arms to get the world on board? Lame argument.
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Gore would have never gotten us into the Iraq mess, and frankly, I don't think MaCain (pre Y2K) would have done so either. I think the real problem is that we just haven't been electing policy makers and people who LABOR in governemnt, who WORK at administering policy and results. Ideology (conservative or liberal) is nice on paper, but believing in something on principle doesn't mean your competent, nor does it mean that you're willing to work hard and take your appointments seriously. We see that all the time, electing ideologues who simply "hold the post," talk a goo game, and fail to take the work of government seriously (Pelosi is horrible post-holder). One thing I think no one can argue with is that Obama truly busts his ass. He truly does. He has worked through the most difficult primary in American history, and didn't break stride after he got the nomination. In a governemnt full of "post holders," elbow grease counts for something. I think if Obama continues to work half as hard and as creatively in his first administration as he has during this grueling campaign season, I think we're going to find our way out of this mess, liberal/conservative nonsense aside.
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Especially the part about McCain not condeming that type of talk.
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......is that he consumes 83% of the world's Coca Cola supply.
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For fuck's sake.
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I know he counters his carbon footprint, but why can't he limit his carbon output to begin with?He lives in a 20-room mansion and in order to cool or heat that much square footage, he's going to use a lot more natural gas than the average American household. I know he's an ex-Vice President and an important person and all, but why does he need that much space?By contrast, look at Ed Begley Jr. You know what's funny? Little old working stiff struggling paycheck to paycheck me lives in a bigger house than Ed. Ed truly lives by his code. He has limited any and all extravagances to live on solely what he needs to get by.Now I don't expect Gore to get on a bike to power his toaster, but if you're going to preach to the world that we need to conserve, move your ass into a more reasonable residence.And a private jet? Dude, he can travel on a commercial jet with the rest of us. When you look at his presentations, they are so bare bones, it's not like he's lugging around stage equipment. All he needs is his laptop, some clothes and he's good to go.The problem is people buy into this whole "I'm a VIP so I gotta live the lifestyle" nonsense. Show me one American CEO who drives a Camry or lives in a 2,000 sq. ft. house or flies coach.I'm asking for a little friggin humility. I don't think that's too much, especially when you're asking me to join you in saving the planet.
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I see your point but just to play devil's advocate here Gore has installed solar panels and uses compact fluorescent bulbs in his home. Enough? Perhaps not, but it's not like he and Misses are retired. He frequently hosts events and dignitaries at his home in an effort to raise support and funds for his cause. This requires space.
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And get mobbed everywhere he goes? I wouldn't want Gore on my palne and have three hours of assholes buzzing about it the whole flight.
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Oct 09, 2008 12:12:16 PM CDT
McCAIN -- THE MOST FLAWED PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE IN HISTORY
by dannyglovers_dickblood
Long fucking story....but worth the read. Learn a little something about "The Maverick". ----------------
JOHN McCAIN
THE MOST FLAWED PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE IN HISTORY
It is now clear that what is left of the Republicon Party, after being fatally poisoned by the Bush administration, intents to commit suicide by nominating Senator John McCain (R-Hanoi) for the presidency. Where do I start?
THE EARLY YEARS
McCain spent his boyhood in exclusive boarding schools where staffers were paid to put up with his tirades. We all did some immature things before we matured. But with McCain, the tirades continue today.
Had he not been the son and grandson of admirals, there is scant chance he would have been admitted to the U.S. Naval Academy. Given his behavior patterns and academics, had he not been the son and grandson of admirals, there is little doubt he would have been thrown out. Instead, in 1958 he managed to graduate 894 out of 899. Had he not been the son and grandson of admirals, he is no chance he would have been accepted into the prestigious naval flight training program over far better qualified officers. On his way to becoming a North Vietnamese ace, the aviator lost 3 expensive aircraft on routine, non-combat flights. Little was made of all that, because he was, you know, the son and grandson of admirals.
McCain’s most horrendous loss occurred in 1967 on the USS Forrestal. Well, not horrendous for him. The starter motor switch on the A4E Skyhawk allowed fuel to pool in the engine. When the aircraft was “wet-started,” an impressive flame would shoot from the tail. It was one of the ways young hot-shots got their jollies. Investigators and survivors took the position that McCain deliberately wet-started to harass the F4 pilot directly behind him. The cook off launched an M34 Zuni rocket that tore through the Skyhawk’s fuel tank, released a thousand pound bomb, and ignited a fire that killed the pilot plus 167 men. Before the tally of dead and dying was complete, the son and grandson of admirals had been transferred to the USS Oriskany.
As a rising naval officer, McCain was surrounded by rumors of numerous adulterous affairs, such as used to be called “conduct unbecoming an officer.” Author and biographer Robert Timberg has detailed several of McCain’s sexual relationships with subordinates when serving as a Squadron Leader and an Executive Officer. I think we all know such behavior is a clear violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, in other words, a crime.
When McCain’s application to the National War College was rejected, according to noted author and researcher Joel Skousen, he whined to daddy who pulled strings with the Secretary of the Navy.
PRISONER OR HONORED GUEST?
McCain’s 5½-year stay at the Hanoi Hilton (officially Hoa Loa Prison) has ever since been the subject of great controversy. He maintains that he was tortured and otherwise badly mistreated. One of many who disagree is Dennis Johnson, imprisoned at Hanoi and never given treatment for his broken leg. He reports that every time he saw McCain, who was generally kept segregated, the man was clean-shaven, dressed in fresh clothes, and appeared comfortable among North Vietnamese Army officers. He adds that he frequently heard McCain’s collaborative statements broadcast over the prison’s loud speakers.
On October 26, 1967, McCain’s A-4 Skyhawk was shot down over Hanoi. The fractures of 1 leg and both arms were reportedly due to his failure to tuck them in during ejection. According to U.S. News & World Report (May 14, 1973), McCain didn’t wait long before offering military information in return for medical care. While an extraordinary patient at Gi Lam Hospital, he was visited by a number of dignitaries, including, to quote McCain himself, General Vo Nguyen Giap, the national hero of Dienbienphu.
Jack McLamb is a highly respected name in law enforcement circles. After 9 years of clandestine operations in Cambodia and unmentionable areas, he returned home to Phoenix where he became one of the most decorated police officers on record. Twice McLamb was named Officer of the Year. He went on to become an FBI hostage negotiator. This man has stated that every one of the many former POWs he has talked with consider McCain a traitor. States McLamb, “He was never tortured…The Vietnamese Communists called him the Songbird, that’s his code name, Songbird McCain, because he just came into the camp singing and telling them everything they wanted to know.” McLamb further quotes former POWs as saying McCain starred in 32 propaganda videos in which he denounced his country and comrades.
The Glavnoje Razvedyvatel’noje Upravlenije is the Soviet’s military intelligence division. Numerous sources confirm that during the Nam Era, the English-speaking Vietnamese who conducted interrogations of American prisoners were always overseen by Russian GRU officers. The ranking GRU officer at the Hanoi Hilton had a multilingual teenage son who was tasked with translating all interrogation reports into Russian. He would become known only as T.
According to T who interpreted all interrogations and notes pertaining to McCain during the latter’s stay from December, 1969, to March, 1973, when a well-fed looking McCain’s was released, privileges were extended. These included time at a furnished apartment in Hanoi – furnished with 2 prostitutes. McCain would attribute such absences to solitary confinement.
It has been widely reported that following his father’s appointment as CINCPAC Commander-in-Chief of all U.S. forces in the Vietnam theater of operations, McCain was offered an immediate parole. McCain insists that he refused such a preference. Others insist that his father refused to allow such a preference. In any event, such an offer would have required the approval of the Soviet masters, and T would have seen documentation. He has no recollection of such an offer.
In 1991 the Soviet Union was in a state of collapse. People and things were up for grabs. During that thaw, a mass document swap took place between the KGB and CIA. All T’s translations were included. If these dots are really connected, it is small wonder that McCain had fought consistently to keep all files sealed, block any attempts to retrieve POWs, and establish the friendliest of relations with his former tormentors.
Imagine the possibilities. A Clintonian leak during the presidential campaign. Or, in the unlikely event of a McCain victory, blackmail of the Manchurian Candidate.
It is public record that Admiral McCain was on hand to greet his son upon return. According to Major Mark A. Smith (USA Retired), a Green Beret and former POW, a trusted friend of his accompanied the Admiral that day. Later, when the friend referred to that meeting, McCain became enraged, volunteered that he had received “no special treatment,” and then denied that his father was there.
In 1989 legislation known as The Truth Bill was introduced in the U.S. House. It required the Department of Defense to publish the names and information on all unaccounted for POWs, MIAs, and KIAs in WW II, the Korean War, and Vietnam. It languished and was resurrected 2 years later. Then came the McCain Bill, promptly enacted, that blocked such information. The DoD does not even have to acknowledge confirmed sightings of live Americans.
TEMPER AND TEMPERMENT
The senator’s temper and temperament remain in question. His biographer quotes him: “At the smallest provocation I would go off into a mad frenzy, and then suddenly crash to the floor unconscious.” Has he moderated over time? Apparently. Somewhat. Senators who have had McCain scream hyphenated obscenities at them nose-to-nose include Rick Santorum, Richard Shelby, Thad Cochran, and James Inhofe. Most colleagues decline comment. The man has been called psychologically unstable.
BIRDS OF A FEATHER?
Four years ago McCain loudly defended the glorious hero of the Vietnam War, John Kerry. That would be the young naval officer who hid out in an office until he took command of a river patrol boat for a few weeks. He put in for a purple heart every time he got a scratch or bruise. With 3 of those, he rotated out with the intention of running for public office as a war hero. When Kerry saw the level of anti-war sentiment, he quickly morphed into an anti-war hero running for public office and later married the widow of an extremely wealthy, conservative senator who died under highly suspicious circumstances. Swift Boat Veterans for Truth have not died. Their affiliate is Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain, headed by former Sergeant Ted Sampley, who also serves as vice-president of the half-million member Rolling Thunder Motorcycle Rally.
Sampley has spent years working toward the return of Vietnam era MIAs and POWs abandoned by our government (which is invariably the case at a war’s end). McCann has thwarted him at every turn, dismissing 1,600 credible first hand sightings, 14,000 second hand sightings, and countless radio intercepts that supported the observations.
In 1991 a Senate Select Committee held hearings on the subject of Vietnam POWs. Tracy Usry, honored Vietnam veteran and former chief investigator for the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, testified that American POWs were routinely interrogated by Soviet intelligence officers. Several times, an enraged McCain interrupted, shouting that, “…none of the returned U.S. POWs released by Vietnam was ever interrogated by the Soviets.” He knew better. So apparently did Bui Tin, former Senior Colonel, NVA, who testified that he had been privy to all Soviet documents pertaining to American prisoners. He supported Usry, refuted McCain, and offered his personal records as added proof.
In short order, Usry and all participating staff members were fired. Jack Wheeler, Republicon insider and master strategist, attributed that to McCain’s behind-the-scenes pressuring.
Add to that McCain’s despicable treatment of families of POWs. Is that based on guilt or is the man simply despicable?
A LITTLE HISTORY LESSON
In the 1920s, the Bronfman family of Montreal rose to power and wealth based particularly on its Seagrams liquor business, which had as its Prohibition Era partner Meyer Lansky, American Mafia boss. Bootlegging profits were enormous. The family branched into many areas, including media. In recent years, Bronfman acquired a major chunk of Time-Warner.
Michael Collins Piper is the author of several books including FINAL JUDGMENT and THE HIGH PRIESTS OF WAR. According to his research, Jack Ruby, Texas nightclub manager and silencer of JFK’s alleged assassin, was a Bronfman asset. Piper identifies Ruby as “a key player” in the smuggling of arms stolen from U.S. military bases to Israel.
In the years prior to World War II, the move into Arizona was made. In 1941, Gus Greenbaum of Phoenix started a national wire service for bookies. When he shifted to Las Vegas in 1946 to oversee Meyer Lansky’s casino interests and subsequently replace the infamous, violent Bugsy Siegel, Kemper Marley was appointed crime syndicate boss of Arizona. According to sources within the Marley group, it was Bronfman who put him in the liquor business and enabled him to build a statewide monopoly. In 1948, the feds sent 52 employees to prison for liquor violations. Rumor has it that Marley remained untouched because one of his lieutenants, James Hensley, took the fall and did a dime. Piper reports that Hensley’s attorney and dealmaker was William Rehnquist. Yes, that would be the Chief Justice who later pulled his former girlfriend onto the high court and spent his last decade on the bench hallucinating on drugs. Upon release, Marley gave Hensley one of the biggest Anheuser-Busch distributorships in the country – certainly the biggest in Arizona. Thank you for your faithful service.
Then one day in 1981, an obscure, newly retired naval officer rode into the land of sun, cacti, and retirees. After his first wife, who had raised his children and waited for him became crippled in an accident, John McCain had dumped her overboard and married his mistress – Cindy, daughter of James Hensley. The next year the “straight talker” was installed in the U.S. House of Lords. Four years later he moved to the senate.
So who owns honest John McCain? The mob that runs Arizona? The big Vegas money that continues to contribute heavily? The Israeli connection? You be the judge.
UNDERSTANDING ECONOMICS – WHO NEEDS IT?
Not long ago, McCain stated to a journalist that, “Economics isn’t my strong suit.” But, he added, he is reading Greenspan. That would be Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan who, during his tenure, expanded the money supply more than in all the years since 1913. The Greenspan who kept the printing presses running at warp speed, turning out little pieces of paper called money and backed by the promises of politicians. Alan the Inflator fueled the dotcom bubble, the stock market bubble, and more recently the real estate bubble. It is no wonder that the LONDON ECONOMIST recently pegged 2007 true U.S. inflation at 17%. Just what we need – another president who is an economic illiterate. It’s small consolation that McCain admits it, because if elected, he’d appoint the wrong advisors.
MCCAIN VERSUS THE CONSTITUTION
McCain, also known as senator hyphen around D.C., frequently partners with members of the far left. The McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Reform Bill was an obvious, full-frontal attack on the First Amendment – perhaps the most blatant since the Sedition Act 200 years previous. Specifically, it outlawed the most protected of free speech, political descent. This alone should be a deal breaker. Anyone voting for the bill should have been impeached and removed from office. George Bush, when he broke another of his pledges and signed the odious legislation, said he had problems with it but that the Supreme Court might very possibly strike down parts. Apparently, his thinking was (1) this is bad law, but why should I worry, and (2) I don’t need to do my job because somebody down the line might do it for me.
Accordingly, it is entirely logical that radio talk show hosts are in strong opposition to McCain. They understand how much he hates free speech, and they don’t want to see a return to the deceptively named Fairness Doctrine that used to force broadcasters to devote matching time to the promotion of liberal views to balance conservative. At the core is the liberals’ fear of exposure to the marketplace of ideas and free discourse. To them, it is not enough that you have a dial and an opposed thumb. If we’re going to have a Fairness Doctrine, let’s carry it all the way out. For every 80 anti-gun news stories, I want to see 80 (easy to find) pro-gun stories. Not 1. For every male bashing commercial, mandate one female bashing. Let’s limit the number of black players on college and NBA teams to 12½ percent, reflective of the population. Et cetera.
McCain also works to destroy the Second Amendment. John McCain does not trust you with a firearm, regardless of the plain words of the Constitution. He would bar you from defending yourself from marauders and certainly from an out-of-control government. The Gun Owners of America rates McCain F minus. Although the National Rifle Association is far softer in defending gun rights, its president has termed McCain the “worst Second Amendment candidate.” Example: McCain sponsored an amendment to S. 1805 that would destroy gun shows by outlawing private gun sales at such events, although they have been proven to not be a significant source of criminals’ weapons. A next step would be the outlawing of private transfers. A father would be unable to pass down a family treasure without government blessing. The unconstitutionality of all this is of no importance to the senator and his ilk. Check his record. This alone should be another deal breaker.
Just about everybody loves a maverick, right? Spirit of America and all that. We often impute a certain sense of integrity to someone who turns on his own. Is the senator from Hanoi really a maverick? Sure, but from what? Honor? Duty? The Constitution he works so hard to make irrelevant? But as a career politician and long-time member of the Council on Foreign Relations, McCain is also a one- worlder and a senior insider.
CAMPAIGN FINANCE
I’m sure the sponsor of the so-called Campaign Finance Reform Bill wouldn’t mind if we took a cursory look at his donors. They include the sinister international currency manipulator George Soros, JP Morgan Chase & Company, Citigroup, Goldman Sachs, and Lehman Brothers. In other words, McCain is backed by most of the usual suspects who back “the competition.”
According to WorldNetDaily, since 2001, this candidate has receiving funding via the Reform Institute of Alexandria, Virginia, founded to launder money from George Soro’s Open Society Institute and Theresa Heinz Kerry’s Tides Foundation. Let’s just know who owns whom. All this only makes sense. The senator is a long-time member of the Council on Foreign Relations, a one-worlder, an ultimate insider.
Funding scandals? Sure. We have them too. Does anybody remember the Keating Five debacle from 1987 that cost depositors and taxpayers $160 million? Charles Keating owned American Continental Corporation and its subsidiary Lincoln Savings & Loan. Facing multiple federal indictments, he called on the recipients of his largesse – Senators Alan Cranston, John Glenn, Don Riegle, and from the great State of Arizona Dennis DeConsini and John McCain. Strings were pulled, but, in the end, Keating was convicted. In 1991, the Senate Ethics Committee (I know, such an oxymoron) ruled that McCain hadn’t quite done anything illegal. But by his own standards he was corrupt.
D.C. FOLLIES
Recently, the New York Times ran a piece suggesting that McCain may have had an affair with lobbyist Vicki Iseman that went back 8 years. Ms. Iseman is a partner in Alcalde & Fay, who represent Carnival Lines, several broadcasters, and municipalities. The Times, along with Drudge and the Washington Post, had been sitting on the story for some weeks. The allegations are unproven, and, the senator has exhibited extraordinary self-control when denying them. I can only say that he has a history of this type of Clintonian behavior, both in the military and, admittedly, during his first marriage. Apparently it is acceptable anymore. In any case, I question whether the Times should have run with this.
Influence peddling? Sure, McCain rode Lowell Paxson’s jet several times. It would be asking a lot of a high-profile senator to walk through a crowded airport and climb on a commercial flight. Maybe he wrote Paxson checks at the commercial fare rate. He did accept $100,000 donation from Alcalde & Fay. And he did write 2 letters recommending that the FCC approve Paxson’s purchase of a Pittsburgh TV station. Only two? Lobbyists lobby. I don’t have any finger to point here.
THE GREAT CONSERVATIVE
Taking a page from Bill Clinton’s Attorney General, McCain has called Christian leaders “agents of intolerance.”
McCain often crosses the aisle to block the confirmation of conservative judges with strict construction leanings. His record on taxes is clear; he likes them. Senator hyphen has co-sponsored ill conceived legislation that would boost gasoline prices by more than half a dollar a gallon. And he supports radical global warming measures that would significantly disadvantage the U.S.
COME ON UP. HERE’S A CHECK.
Teaming again with Teddy Kennedy, at al, the senator from Hanoi sponsored an amnesty bill for illegal aliens. A top aide, Juan Hernandez previously held a cabinet level position with ex-president of Mexico Vincente Fox. This dual citizen is on record as favoring “Mexico First.” McCain supports open borders. Well, until he caught sight of the prize. These days he’s auto-phoning into Ohio, promising that “first I’ll close the borders.” He’d still like to see Social Security money paid to the sneak-ins. Another deal breaker?
DISCLAIMERS AND CONCLUSIONS
The presidential frontrunners have a curious commonality. Not one has any significant administrative history. None has headed a company, none has managed an organization, and none has ever had to meet a payroll. Their experience has been totally devoted to throwing other people’s money at problems they created (often for that very purpose), and they’ve run nothing but their mouths. Seriously, if you owned a large business enterprise, is there any chance that you would pick one of the candidates to manage it?
As for the illegal, immoral war in which we are engaged, Obama is clean, Hillary is implicated, and McCain says he’s fine with another hundred years.
Personalities aside, I’m not certain how much difference it makes. McCain has essentially endorsed Hillary. According to him, “She has integrity,” and “I have no doubt that she would be a good president.” He likes, really likes the woman, and says, “I think she’s a very good person.” Meanwhile, Barack Hussein Obama’s policies differ not one whit from Hillary’s. So that’s a popularity contest.
Then there is the matter of the label. In his way, George Bush has done to the Republicon Party what Bill Clinton did to the Democrat Party in his way. In the last congressional race, the Rs did poorly; yet their D replacements have fixed nothing. The congress’s approval rating is 22 percent. As the legatee of Bush, what does baggage does McCain bear? Here are just a few bags: unrestrained spending, huge trade deficits, illegal wars of aggression, empire building beyond our capacity, abandonment of our fallen veterans, war crimes, the elimination of civil liberties with war as a pretext, the death of habeas corpus, favoring Israel over the U.S., the stock bubble, the real estate bubble, collapsing home values, permanent core job losses, true 10 percent inflation, debasement of the currency (They won’t even publish M3 numbers anymore.), torture of prisoners (On October 6, 2006, McCain voted to exempt the CIA from restrictions.), prisoner rendition, deconstruction of the Constitution, opening our borders to everybody and anybody, violations of separation of powers, corruption, and incredible incompetence. I could go on. My question: Is the Republicon nomination worth more than 15 cents? Even if McCain puts nominal Democrat Joe Lieberman on his ticket to demonstrate bi-partisanship and pull in Dems and Independents?
Are you a genuine social conservative? Do you believe in our wonderful Constitution? Are you opposed the Iraq War and its precursor strategies that have killed hundreds of thousands of innocents? Are you fiscally responsible? Do you truly understand the principles of republicanism? Do you believe in marital fidelity? Are you a supporter of free speech? I submit that if your answer to any of these questions is yes, you cannot vote for John McCain and retain your integrity. The lesser of 2 or 3 evils is still evil. In this case, not by a measurable amount.
The party of Ronald Reagan left me years ago. America’s bright beacon of hope, so loved by much of the world for over 200 years, is being reduced to a faint glow in the eyes of the true believers.
We have had some incredibly unqualified and inept people run for and sometimes win the top job. But John McCain must be the most flawed and compromised candidate in our nation’s history. -
If Christian fuckin Bale can fly commercial....Gore will be just fine. The private jet thing is quite disgusting considering the amount of pollution.
I understand him living in a mansion and living lavishly, he has earned it. He has made his fortune pretty honestly and he can do what he fucking pleases with his cash. The problem is people start getting resentful when you try and tell them how to live their lives. I am all for the environmental thing....but I understand how it can piss people off when you are saying change your lifestyle while I eat like a pig in my massive compound. He can buy offsets, that's real fucking nice. How many ordinary citizens can afford that shit? In the end-- all it does is weaken his image. He should get a slightly smaller house..... -
I'd be more impressed by the environmentalist who hosts a gathering down at the bingo hall than in his 20,000 sq. ft. palace.I don't believe in phony presentations. If you're holding a fundraiser for poverty, tell people to show up in regular clothes. The first posh bitch that rolls up in a limo wearing a $10K necklace gets stuffed into a burlap sack filled with mayonnaise that's been sitting in the sun all day and flung from a medieval catapult into a sewage grinder.The way you bring awareness to the cause should reflect the cause itself. If all these dignitaries and sponsors feel the need for glamor and pampering while trying to climb aboard a worthy cause, they probably aren't worth the effort in the first place.
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I realize you and I are both on the same side of justice and equality in the world.
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Oct 09, 2008 12:31:48 PM CDT
the real issue is Supply and Demand boys.....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
Gore has admitted in interviews to having a serious problem with his Coca Cola consumption. When he is on his Global Warming tours he drinks it like a madman, sometimes 2-3 six packs PER DAY!! I myself am an avid Coca Cola drinker. I notice whenever Gore is on tour-- Coke prices soar. Coincidence? I think not. Supply and Demand boys.........simple economics.
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Fuck Ron Paul.
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Al's a hypocrite.
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I've heard most of that same shit from other sources. Especially the POW stuff.
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...entire jet airliner industry in the first place? Does it even hold a candle to the real culprits? I don't know for sure but my guess is it is nothing compared to the output from cow farts, continuous factory outpouring of noxious fumes (regulations for these have been practically completely removed in many cases), and an overabundance of cars the world over.Granted, I'm not backing this up with any facts as I don't know for sure but it stands to reason don't you think?
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I've read many studies suggesting that car pollution is extremely exaggerated. They say planes are far more harmful. There are some crazy numbers if anyone can find it...
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...we used to have car inspections for exhaust. But only for cars...not large trucks, buses, semi-trucks, long haul trucks, diesel trains, etc, etc...I used to sit in line watching dump trucks driving by belching black smoke into the sky whereas my car at the time had never so much as farted a puff of white smoke (yes, color and density makes a difference in terms of soot, particle concentration, etc).Seems a little ass-backwards, no?
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There may very well be truth i nthe article. I don't deny that. But the article, in my opinion, suffers credibility issues due to it's lack of cited sources and it's overreaching accusatory tone. Not to mention the use of "Barack Hussein Obama" in the article's conclusion.
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It also goes along with all those studies that buying a hybrid car is far more harmful to the environment overall than just buying a good mileage used car. There are a lot of harmful chemicals used in the production of hybrids. And really we if we all gave up buying new vehicles and stuck with older cars for awhile-- it would be a huge help. Its not just the actual manufacturing of the car but also the cost of transportation that is a huge factor in measuring the footprint of a product.
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Sorry. Just Node or Hobo is fine.
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In fact I heard the biggest causes outside of natural ones is the beef and dairy industry, hands down. Check the numbers there and it's like HOLY SHIT!...seriously. A single cow requires so much feed per day and so many acres and it comes out to specific environmental impacts based on how much beef you eat, etc...(I don't know all the specifics)Which really sucks cause I love the occasional cheeseburger dammit!
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Yeah its definitely not Pro-Obama. It is just Anti-McCain. If you research the shit about McCain's early life Pre-Politics, you can find the same shit all over.
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Oct 09, 2008 12:46:22 PM CDT
yeah...if you look up the environmental impact...
by dannyglovers_dickblood
...of the beef industry in South America it is fucking horrifying. My wife and I actually gave up beef a year ago partially because of this and partially because we like cows.
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I find that expression useful because (with the exception of his wife and mother) it marks anyone that uses it down automatically as an irredeemable asshat, that is also a closet bigot but is to ashamed to own up to it. Seriously, what are you trying to achieve with that? I'll pluck an answer out of the ether- you are trying to link Obama to radical islam based solely on his middle name. And if he'd changed it you'd be even worse. Grow up, asspickles and find an adult argument.
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Oct 09, 2008 12:50:30 PM CDT
Indeed....simply inflating your tires to the correct..
by darth macchio
...psi would save you more money than all the "DRILL! BABY! DRILL!" idiocy would now or in ten to twenty years when we might see a 4 to 10 cent savings per gallon (don't take my word for it...look it up and stay away from the more biased sources if you can).
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Sorry planet,But aside from that, my carbon footprint is tiny.
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Bill Ayers, former anti-war/terrorist from the 60's, has endorsed Sen. John McCain for president.
According to a written statement, Ayers wrote, "I hate Obama, and McCain is the only option for president. I know that McCain shares most of my beliefs in his heart, and Obama represents everything that I hate. Let me repeat, I hate Obama, and I am voting for McCain."
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Yup, modern agriculture is the worst environmental offender which is why I gave up the cow and chicken years ago.But let's face it, everything is to blame. We have too many fuel inefficient cars on the road. Planes, boats, factories.....everything is pumping out crap at greater levels than the planet can currently process.Just go into a Wal-Mart and look at all the cheap crap people are buying and you'll see it's all plastic. Plastic that requires lots and lots of oil.Curse us for being so stupid that we believe we need to consume to be happy.
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...just to give the Alaskan Independence Party a shitload of revenue to fulfill their prophecy and split from the Union. Lets get that worthless fucking state off our books. Fuck 'em I say. -
...Its actually really easy. Pass a federal law that no American can purchase a brand new vehicle for the next 10 years. America and Europe join forces and become 100% vegetarian. We tell Palin to stop being a fucking cunt and support the cruel practice of shooting innocent wolves from a fucking helicopter. ....and we tell Japan to stop being fucking cunts and brutally slaughtering whales just for kicks, under the pretense that its "For research." Motherfuckers.....in Japan "RESEARCH" is code talk for, "How the fuck am I gonna eat it?" Follow these simple steps and we save the planet! -
...that we, a single species out of many on this planet, are environmentally destructive. It is perfectly natural and we're not even the only ones...the catch is that, unlike other species on this planet, we're sentient so we understand the consequences of our actions (if we care to), thus it becomes paramount not just for the Earth and all other life on it but for our own as well.
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Oct 09, 2008 1:04:09 PM CDT
Man....if there was no fucking war and no fucking Bail-Out.....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
The government could have saved social security AND put solar panels on the roofs of every motherfucking house in America. Why is solar power not powering every fucking house in America by now?! What the fuck? They started developing solar technology in the motherfucking 1860s!! Thats not enough fucking time for it to be mainstream? Jesus fucking Christ. -
I relaize you were probably joking Danny, but I literally cannot be a vegetarian. I'm allergic to both legumes and soy and I'm lactose intolerant. What the fuck am I supposed to get protein from? Eggs? Fucking hate them and they're high in cholesterol. This is why PETA can suck my cock when they tell me to go veggie.
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Can we please all stop posting to these political stories. I try hard as I can to practice what I preach but there's no reason this story should have so many posts, there's no vampires, werewolves, superheros or lightsabers mentioned anywhere. I realize this one post is adding to the problem but it has to be said. Let's all leave the politics to somewhere else, we're a bunch of geeky movie fanboys, let's leave it at that. I'm all for freedom of speech, but really there's a time and a place. Also, for all you that disagree you're absolutely right, I concede in advance if you don't post back and I super concede and will admit you have a bigger cock if you post elsewhere instead of a freakin Republicrats story.
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Didn't that cunt Guiliani make fun of the iflating of tires as well?
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...to stop eating the entire fucking ocean. Jesus Christ. Try SOME CHICKEN-- MOTHERFUCKERS!!
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Have you seen the disgusting little creature that John McCain has become? He has a fucking face growing out of his face!! And it HISSES!! If thats not genre film....I dunno what is.
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I stumbled across something I'd never heard of before this summer - Seitan. It's wheat gluten (protein), gathered in the process of making gluten-free products.
I found it in my local upscale market next to the tofu. I haven't tried it myself, but it's an alternative you might look at. -
Really? Deviled eggs? Come on...those are the bomb.
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...and I'm not disagreeing...I've done my share of polite mocking of political TB's in the past(BATTLE ROYALE, NATCH!!!!) but there is a time and place for political TB's and that time and place is in those same political TB's.Guilianni? I must refrain from speaking about that guy. I try not to wear my politics too broadly on my sleeve but I'm afraid I cannot react to Giulianni in any way other than to say "FUCK!!!!" and then tightly grasp my the sides of my head so it's doesn't explode...sorry about that.
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Oct 09, 2008 1:48:08 PM CDT
I like when McCain says, "BLOOD AND TREASURE."
by dannyglovers_dickblood
Its fucking hilarious.
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Similar to McCain in that he says "Fuck my views, what can get me elected?!!"
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And many people have it but don't know it or admit it. I eat any dairy and I get cramping, bloatedness, constipation, and gas (save the PMS joke). Fatass fucking Americans think this is a normal state but it isn't. Part of the problem is pasteurized and processed dairy products that are lactase free. Lactase is a naturally occuring enzyme that helps people digest lactose.
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Thanks for the tip.
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Oct 09, 2008 2:12:10 PM CDT
I'm assuming you've all seen this already....
by half-baked-goggle-box-do-gooder
http://www.boingboing.net/2008/10/08/drew-friedman-mccain.html
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Oct 09, 2008 2:26:35 PM CDT
I'm not saying lactose isn't real....I just think its freakish..
by dannyglovers_dickblood
Bloating and cramping? That seriously fucking sucks. I can say that without a doubt.
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It's a bit much ... I've read similar things about Obama and a lot of it is misrepresentation usually. I gotta take that kind of four-to-the-floor screed with a grain of salt. One thing that was interesting to me was the war hero inversion. I can see that. It would make sense for Kerry and McCain to be backing each others' stories. It's a funny thought anyway.
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People were talking about this before, and I found it somewhat humorous the guy's name is George. Anyway, here's the factcheck.org article:http://tinyurl.com/43bf7h
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What the fuck-- the guy born in America gets the name BARRACK....while the guy born in Kenya gets the name GEORGE? hehehehehe.......
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At least we know where chrism got off to.
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Palin or British serial nurser?
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Have a link?
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Oct 09, 2008 3:37:05 PM CDT
THOSE PALIN/MCCAIN LYNCH MOBS ARE GETTING UGLIER BY THE DAY
by bringingsexyback
So much irrational blood-thirsty hatred, and on the day of the biggest percentage drop in the market in history.
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Was it you who posted that article about the Republican writer that said he would put in a shot at the Dems at the end of the story to make himself feel better and Obama called him out? And he discussed that author for 20 minutes on the phone.....was that you?
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Ya 'twas me.
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It's a doozy today. Palin looked like Goebbels on that stage. She was taking extreme pleasure by the outpour of hate.
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You have the link...or how I can find it? I enjoyed that story.
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http://tinyurl.com/4yeh6r ... with some video of him too.
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+10 years of watching Fox News did that. What we're seeing is the natural extension of a narrowed perspective . . . hatred and fear. Americans at the Ohio rally? Try chickens.
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Open question for you guys though. What nthe hell does "you have to use power while it corrupts you" even mean?
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http://tinyurl.com/548arf
Diane Tucker
Posted October 9, 2008 | 02:05 AM (EST)
Younger Military Families Closing Ranks Around Obama
QUANTICO, Va. -- One of the largest U.S. marine bases in the world is located in Quantico, a tidy town with scant election fanfare. Everyone who lives here just assumes Republicans have a lock on the military vote. And so when Obama signs began to appear, tongues began to wag.
"At first I was worried about how my neighbors would view it," said former marine corporal Dawn Jennings, 31, who bravely put an Obama sign in the center of her front yard. Jennings told OffTheBus that Quantico is the "kind of place where they'll ask you to remove an Obama bumper sticker from your car."
Barack Obama is promising to make college affordable for all Americans, and this appeals to Jennings. "I can't imagine telling my two kids, "No college for you, because I voted for McCain." She emailed all of her military friends, encouraging them to register two new voters. "It's time to take a stand," said the marine vet. "I want us to be like Michigan -- I'd love to see John McCain quit campaigning in Virginia, too."
Jennings isn't the only Obama supporter in Quantico -- not by a long shot -- and this should raise a red flag for the McCain camp. In hotly contested states with large military populations, these voters can make an impact because they turn out to vote in higher percentages (79/64) than the general public, according to a Rand study.
"Everyone I talk to wants change but on base you can't say certain things. At a bar or a party, everyone tells me they're voting for Obama," said Thomas Singleton, 27, a former military telecommunications specialist who was speaking to OffTheBus outside the National Museum of the Marine Corps. Perched on a hill in Quantico, the museum's stunning roof line can be seen for miles. Its design -- a 200-foot tilted mast atop a huge glass atrium -- was inspired by the famous Iwo Jima flag raising of World War II.
"My military friends are tired of being lied to," said Singleton. "They're told to deploy for six months, but it ends up being a year. And when they come home, they can't find a job. One of my friends is staying in the Army only because he can't find a civilian job."
The genuine patriotism these young people feel is complicated by events in Iraq, and grumblings about military miscalculations. "I was proud to go to Iraq, but when I got there all we did for weeks was play cards. We were unprepared. We had the wrong supplies," said Skye Spann, 27, a former medical specialist. "It didn't seem like we had a clear mission."
Deployed Troops Give Four Times More Money To Obama
People in all branches of the service are getting tired of repeated deployments. "I think more of them will vote for Obama than McCain," said Jennings. According to the Center for Responsive Politics, deployed troops are putting their money where their mouth is: they've given four times as much money to Obama as McCain.
"Any assumption that the military vote is overwhelmingly in favor of the Republican Party -- based on demographics alone -- is suspect, at the very least," said Donald S. Inbody, a retired Navy Captain who is on the political science faculty at Texas State University. Inbody also is a doctoral candidate at the University of Texas in Austin, where he is researching the political attitudes and behavior of the American military enlisted person.
For years, the Republicans have enjoyed a reputation for taking care of the troops. But now, at all levels of the military, there's a general dissatisfaction with the lousy leadership in Washington. Inbody told OffTheBus, "We know from several studies that the officer corps, especially senior officers, identify strongly with the Republican Party. But it is more likely that junior officers and enlisted personnel more nearly mirror the general American population when it comes to party identification and voting behavior."
This could result in a 1.2 to 1 advantage for Obama in military communities, according to Inbody, especially if the campaign "isn't tone deaf" to the inroads that are possible.
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As for Hobo ... I have no idea what Obama and Brooks were talking about with that Reinhold guy. And that's great, because I want my President to be smarter than a fifth grader.
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Obama is going to win...easily. I live in DC so we get ads aimed at northern Virginia and the surrounding areas. Obama has the market completely saturated with great non-negative ads talking about what he wants to do and not why McCain sucks.
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Obama's paternal family and I speak the same language. We are from the same region of the African continent. We both speak Swahili...
How cool is that?
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Did anyone see The Daily Show last night with guest Michelle Obama. I would vote her for VP, no questions asked.
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what ethnicity are you...if you don't mind me asking?
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Yes! New Party/ Democratic Socialists of America!AINO = Americans In Name Only!I want a BMW so bad! I've had a Hyundai for the last EIGHT years! The only loan I can get has a 29.99% interest rate! I'll take it! I don't care what the effects will be on my life and finances! It's sad when you genuinely want something so much that you're willing to take anything or anyone without being objective or looking at all possible consequences. Wake up, my little bastards...
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Where the fuck have you been?
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Oct 09, 2008 4:25:24 PM CDT
Democratic/socialistic - - I've never heard of this party....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
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Yeeeeaahh riiiiiiiiiight.
The sheer blind panic and obvious DESPERATION is actually getting pretty amusing now.
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Think it will be good news ?
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Do you mean why haven't I posted in a while? Or that you already knew of the New Party/ DSA and that I'm really late to the party (no pun intended)?
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I think you have to have power to know how to use it while it corrupts you, so most if not all TBers won't be able to answer that question ...
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Your bit about Alan Keyes was one of the more bizarre things I've read on here in a while.
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No I mean I haven't see you in awhile. Probably like 6 months.
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Oct 09, 2008 5:50:26 PM CDT
Yeah Add to Friends.....I don't even get your angle....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
....so do you like black people or not? Or do you only like black people that act white.....or do you not think there is any such thing as "Acting White" or "Acting Black". What the fuck was that post about?
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your fact Butbeing afor american myself I can honestly Say I dont hold a paticular grudge against Black republicans because there black but because there inept. I hold Rice, Powell in the same regard as Rumsfield and Cheney. ONly Difference is Powell Can Handle a gun better. (Due to military training not being Black.)
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Your Facts but Being Afro American myself, I can Honsetly say I dont Hold a particular grudge against Black Republicans because ther black but because there inept. I hold Rice and Powell in the same regard as Rumsfield and Cheney. Only Difference is Powell can handle a gun better then Cheney. (Due to military training not being black.)
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I wish he would go ahead and endorse Obama. That would be sweet.
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Lieberman endorses McCain.
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Can you give me some examples of "vicious attacks" from the left against Colon Powell or Condi Rice? Are liberals claiming that either are a terrorist because of some hyped up association and a "weird" middle name? Because to me, that's what a racially motivated "vicious attack" sounds like. . .
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When a doctor, a medical professional, claims that you're in good health. . . and then you find out that she missed a completely obvious problem and they misdisagnosis makes you sicker, is it your fault? Or is it the fault of the professional? When some dumb bastard asks for a car loan, and the lending PROFESSIONAL behind the desk claims that "you're in fine financial health," "you can drive it off the lot TODAY!" Who's fault is that? Granted, not the perfect analogy, but surely you can't believe that the irresponsible buyer is 100% to blame . . . poorly regulated, predatory lending practices are partially at fault here. And where did you get the Socialistic party nonsesense? Conservapedia?
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I think you might have missed my point. I'm not saying all black republicans are inept. Just the ones you chose to list. Before Powells UN Debacle I thought he might be the 1st Black president and The 1st Republican I would vote for. McCain, almost had my vote but he lost to W. If he had won the primary 8 years ago he probably would have had my vote alas this is a different McCain then the one from 8 years ago. Living in large City I know At least half a dozen inept black democrats hell Our (Philadelphia's) last mayor was one the most inept people I've ever seen did you think I would say other wise. My problem with your statement is you made a stereotypical generalization of Afro-Americans that we automatically associate "Black Republican" with "uncle tom" and thats simply not true.
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you're kidding, right? Keyes is a joke. Besides, we already had that matchup in Illinois, and Keyes was trounced. It kinda helped Obama that Keyes was both not even from Illinois and he was batshit insane.
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Has my vote. I can't believe I supported McCain back in 2000. He'll say and do just about anything to get elected. He now makes me sick.
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Oct 09, 2008 8:16:44 PM CDT
Asian Markets are in freefall. Is another Bush "plan" on the way
by g100
Cause the first draught of the insane Paulson Bush Bill "plan" was fucking Genius wasn't it ?
Either that or Bush's announcement will merely more "helpfully reassuring" words from a President no one trusts and his own Party wishes was invisible. I'm sure the Dow will rally by a 1000 points at least.
How many do you think there are in the Republican Party and McCain Campaign who are wishing McCain had went for Bloomberg as VEEP right now ?
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Obama Rated as Winner of Second Presidential Debate Debate watchers say Obama won by 56% to 23% USA Election 2008 Government and Politics Americas Northern America by Jeffrey M. Jones
PRINCETON, NJ -- A one-night USA Today/Gallup reaction poll finds a random sample of debate watchers saying Barack Obama (56%) did a better job than John McCain (23%) in Tuesday's town hall debate.
The poll was conducted Oct. 8, the night after the debate at Belmont University in Nashville, in which Obama and McCain answered questions posed by a group of uncommitted voters. Sixty-six percent of Americans reported watching the debate, up from 63% for the first debate on Sept. 26.
Obama also was rated as the winner of the first presidential debate, though by a lesser margin (46% to 34%) than for the second presidential debate.
Gallup has measured public reaction to most presidential debates since 1960 -- either on the same night immediately after the debate or (as is true for the current results) in the first day(s) after the debate. More often than not, those who have watched the debate have rated the Democratic candidate as the winner, so Obama's perceived victories are not unusual from a historical perspective. However, his 56% to 23% victory for the most recent debate is one of the more decisive Gallup has measured, similar to Bill Clinton's wins in the 1992 town hall debate versus George H.W. Bush and Ross Perot, and in both 1996 debates versus Bob Dole.
While most who watched the debate say their opinions of Obama and McCain have not changed much, the movement that did occur tended to be in the positive direction for Obama and the negative direction for McCain.
The results for Obama are similar to what Gallup measured for him after the first debate (30% more favorable, 14% less favorable, 54% no change). But opinions of McCain seem to have deteriorated more after the second debate than after the first (21% more favorable, 21% less favorable, 56% no change).
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So much momentum in this downturn. Scary shit.
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They can't even spell "candidate" right. Utter fucking morons.
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Has anybody been watching FRONTLINE this week. DAMN.I can't be believe these fucking McCain-Palin rallies. In his botched effort to win the office of the Presidency, McCain has stirred the proverbial hornets' nest and exposed a truly ugly and ignorant slice of Americana. I can't believe the depths this man has allowed himself to sink to. Those attending his rallies are about one step away from burnign effigies. Unbelievable.
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And what's up with my typing lately?!
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10 characters
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I don't think it's a case of McKKKain sinking to new depths, but sa we learn more about him, it's clear he's showing his true stripes. And he sure picked the perfect running mate to lead the lynch mob.
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MAKE SURE TO BRING YOUR FUCKING WHITE HOOD.
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My post that you responded to had nothing to do with auto loans/ predatory lenders whatsoever. It was only an analogy dealing with the current political climate. I was trying to be somewhat vague. I guess I done good.The New Party / Democratic Socialists of America has been much talked about across the Web these last couple of days.
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Oct 09, 2008 10:23:37 PM CDT
SALON AND RACHEL MADDOW DOING THE SECESSIONIST PARTY STORY
by bringingsexyback
Hopefully 60 Minutes and the MSM will pick it up soon and take the questions right to Sarah's face.
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Oct 09, 2008 10:26:26 PM CDT
MAX BLUMENTHAL'S IN-DEPTH STORY ON SECESSIONISTS HERE
by bringingsexyback
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/10/10/palin_chryson/
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It would appear that the myth is shattering. Quite a shame.
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"Indeed, Chryson boasted that he and his allies urged Palin to focus her campaign on slashing character-based attacks. For instance, Chryson advised Palin to paint Stein as a sexist who had told her “to just sit there and look pretty” while she served on Wasilla’s City Council. Though Palin never made this accusation, her 1996 campaign for mayor was the most negative Wasilla residents had ever witnessed.
While Palin played up her total opposition to the sales tax and gun control — the two hobgoblins of the AIP — mailers spread throughout the town portraying her as “the Christian candidate,” a subtle suggestion that Stein, who is Lutheran, might be Jewish. “I watched that campaign unfold, bringing a level of slime our community hadn’t seen until then,” recalled Phil Munger, a local music teacher who counts himself as a close friend of Stein.
“This same group [Stoll and Chryson] also [publicly] challenged me on whether my wife and I were married because she had kept her maiden name,” Stein bitterly recalled. “So we literally had to produce a marriage certificate. And as I recall, they said, ‘Well, you could have forged that.’”
When Palin won the election, the men who had once shouted anti-government slogans outside City Hall now had a foothold inside the mayor’s office. Palin attempted to pay back her newfound pals during her first City Council meeting as mayor. In that meeting, on Oct. 14, 1996, she appointed Stoll to one of the City Council’s two newly vacant seats. But Palin was blocked by the single vote of then-Councilman Nick Carney, who had endured countless rancorous confrontations with Stoll and considered him a “violent” influence on local politics. Though Palin considered consulting attorneys about finding another means of placing Stoll on the council, she was ultimately forced to back down and accept a compromise candidate.
Emboldened by his nomination by Mayor Palin, Stoll later demanded she fire Wasilla’s museum director, John Cooper, a personal enemy he longed to sabotage. Palin obliged, eliminating Cooper’s position in short order. “Gotcha, Cooper!” Stoll told the deposed museum director after his termination, as Cooper told a reporter for the New York Times. “And it only cost me a campaign contribution.” Stoll, who donated $1,000 to Palin’s mayoral campaign, did not respond to numerous requests for an interview. Palin has blamed budget concerns for Cooper’s departure."
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The banks have refused to accept Mccain's notion of a Gov bailout of buying the bad mortagages up at face value. The banks want the value of the mortgage they lent up, therefore they will get back their losses and shifting those losses to us the taxpayers. McCain does not care and he is out of touch. Obama aint perfect, cause i got a few problems with him, but he;s better then mcCain and that horriable Palin woman.
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People love to assume or say that most of the mainstream media is in the tank for Obama. Truth is they are in the tank for Mccain. Not the reporters or pundits you see on tv, but the heads of the media are conservative and they do indeed dictate what is feed to us americans. I have yet to see a negative story on mcCain and Palin really stick. I'm talking real one. Like the group that palin's husband was a member of up until 2002 that wanted to break off Alaska from the US and become it's own country and who leader or fonder sprewed anti american remakrs. What Mccain's questionable connections in the past. The mainstream media is helping McCain and the RNC shift the focus off the economy and on to this Bill Ayers guy to drag down Obama. I really hope the American electorate doesn't fall for it, but I wouldn't be surprised one bit.
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Oct 10, 2008 6:44:13 AM CDT
Also saw another bit of Palin rally footage..
by half-baked-goggle-box-do-gooder
...Miss Priss is getting ready to speak and some guy yells out something unintelligible but apparently of a "heckling" nature. Palin whips around, points her finger at him and screeches something very close to: "Listen, sir, my son is over in I-Raq right now fighting for your right to protest!", the crowd screams along with her and drown the guy out.
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I guess so. Congratulations on your apparant game, set, match. *shakes head* Anyway . . .
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I think Founder's right. The MSM needs Ayres to make this an intersting race again. After all, if people make up their minds on who to vote for, then who's going to watch the 24-hour election year special coverage? They're in the tank for ratings, all of them. Faux News is especially about ratings, as they have built a wonderfully loyal market niche out of some mentally inept people. But don't forget CNN and MSNBC, because without controversy and a virtual tie going into November 4th, they can sell the drama.
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Somebody just gave me "World War Z" for my birthday, and I remember hearing somewhere that the prior "Zombie Survival Guide" might be required reading before jumping into "WWZ".
Anybody got anything on that for me?
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Oct 10, 2008 7:55:16 AM CDT
You guys see the YouTube vids of the Ohio rallies?
by hawaiian organ donor
And I thought we only had world class ignorant racist rednecks in the south.
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http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=KjxzmaXAg9E
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Shouldn't be required reading for WWZ. It provides background and sets the mood up a bit, describing how zombies operate and how to protect yourself against them. There are anecdotes about a couple of attacks and how there were resurgences after people thought the outbreak had been contained. Haven't read WWZ, but it should cover things in enough detail that the Survival Guide would only serve to whet your appetite for the main course.
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One base talks about fiscal conservatism, the stimulation of economic growth, the need for a limited government role in social issues, the rights of individual states to make policy. . . all in all reasonable. The OTHER BASE is full of punks and thugs, who think Jesus is coming in their lifetime, who are angry at the MSM's "obvious" liberal bias, who talk about patriotism and anti-American acts, who are angry and fearful and oblivious to any news or persepctive outside of the specific market niche that Fox and Rush created "just for them." Now that the first base is starting to leave McCain, we see the fruits of the other base at the Ohio rally. . . a dirty remainder of sad, ignorant people that would be funny if it weren't so pathetic.
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Oh yeah. Make no mistake. My home state of Ohio is RED NECK man. I come from a small northwestern coastal lake town in the state so I managed to get out alive, but just barely. It's BAD. Especially some of those Cleveland suburbs like Strongsville. And it only gets worse the further south you go. There's a brief respite as you near Columbus but it fades fast the closer you get to Kentucky.
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You asked and I'm not sure why but I am white. Like many in DC I am a transplant. Though I've been here 11 years now which pretty much makes anyone an honorary native. Hell I even find myself rooting for the Redskins sometimes, mostly because the Browns and Lions suck ass and everyone else in the NFC East is pure evil.
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I was just curious. I always thought you were more ethnic for some reason....I guess because you get so passionate about social issues dealing with poverty and shit. I suppose that is prejudice of me to think you have to be ethnic to care about the poor.....
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It was just impenetrable.
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I think I have hit bottom with my disgust for this guy. I've said it before, but he started out seeming viable to me. This latest round of absolutely despicable ads and rally speeches, etc. just take the cake. Beyond disappointing. I am repulsed by his campaign at this point.
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But you know what? His base is eating that shit up, hook, line, and sinker. I can only hope this latest ploy does not work. I'm seriously very sad, angry, and depressed all at once. Wake the fuck up America!
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Oct 10, 2008 10:20:04 AM CDT
PALIN ACTUALLY CALLED OBAMA AN UPPITY N*GG*R!!!!!!!!!!
by bringingsexyback
Okay, she didn't (in public) but I bet none of you had a moment's doubt when you read that.
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McCain called him that. He said it in code as "that one".
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I think some people are just hellbent on keeping America ignorant and hateful.
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The recent Republican rallies have been a sad example of what happens when a clueless campaign goes into the gutter. And the ignorant rage that has been incited there has supposedly caused "concern" among McCain's advisors. Well, I guess that's what happens when you get people lathered up to a point when the Secret Service might actually have to step in and take a look. How crazy is that?! Idiots.Obama and Biden have essentially thrown down the gauntlet by calling McCain-Palin out on saying these outrageous things to Obama's face. It's so blatantly obvious now that Obama is underneath McCain's skin that when the final debate rolls around, I've got a feeling McCain might go ugly. Super ugly. If he does, I really hope that Obama has got his response cocked and loaded.
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A big shiny black one.
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I fear you are correct, and McCain will attack Obama over Ayers, Wright, etc. There will be no discussion on any pertinent issues. At all. At least that's what McCain promised to do in Wisconsin. I'm surrounded by these very same idiots at work, who are blindly following McCain and eating up every negative attack.
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As ugly as the rallies are, they're a tiny fraction of his supporters. Hell, if Obama called on me to pull Palin's skirt down, I'd do it. But thankfully he's a gentleman and would not abuse his authority over me like that.
Anyway, swing voters HATE negativity and he's already alienated a lot of Conservatives with the hate-mongering and ridiculous proposal for a bigger bank bailout.
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Watch the polls go into double-digit Obama leads across the board. People don't want this shit. They want the country to heal.
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I agree with BSB. What we are witnessing in the recent McCain-Palin rallies is the death throws of a desperate party on the decline. This is their last push before the election. The only thing that can save McCain now is the capture/death of Bin Laden. Which will no doubt happen. They have really upped the bombings on the Pakistan/Afghanistan border of late. Good thing OBL is actually staying at the Four Seasons in Georgetown.
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Hobes - I used to be a lot like ya. Very Progressive, daily BAI/Pacifica listener, so I know exactly where you stand. Keep up the fight. I've moved towards the Center since, but I appreciate those who stand firm with justice as their priority.
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Well, the good thing is that when McCain gets riled up, he becomes less coherent. (I'll say nothing at his attempts at deflective humor...) However, if he decides to go ballistic, it could cause quite the scene; a disgraceful one that could make for some of the most cringeworthy TV in quite sometime.And while I have little doubt that such an episode would work in Obama's favor, he's such a cool customer that it's hard to gauge just how he might respond to such an attack.Man, I wish there was another VP debate. I'd LOVE to see Biden go after Palin on just this issue.
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I don't think the capture/death of Bin Laden would really help McCain. Unless, of course, McCain captured or killed Bin Laden by himself. Didn't he say he knew exactly how to get him? I wonder what's holding him up...OBL was in Georgetown, eh? I'll have to hit a happy hour up there and recon the scene.
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Keating 5, Gambling lobbyists, Cindy drug addiction, Palin secessionist ties and agenda, McCain's son who left Board and internal audit committee of Silver State Bank in June, before the bank shuttered its doors just 2 months later.
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We'll save that for November 2.
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That'll invigorate his base like you wouldn't believe! Do it Johnny!
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I think that's a good buy. They're cash-rich, and positioned to battle MS and Apple on software and hardware.
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How to capture Bin Laden..how to fix the economy...my friends.
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Really? You don't think bin Laden being captured would be a gamechanger? I think the national dialogue would instantly shift away from the failing economy and the right would pull out all the stops to use the capture/killing of OBL as justification for their foreign policy the last 8 years, even if it is bullshit. Hard to say how the country would react.
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Mind if I ask what moved you to the Center?
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NY Post today:
1 VOTER, 72 REGISTRATIONS
'ACORN PAID ME IN CASH & CIGS'
PAWNS IN 'FRAUD': Freddie Johnson, yesterday in Cleveland, and Lateala Goins told of filling out voter registrations multiple times in the ACORN scandal revealed by The Post yesterday.
CLEVELAND - A man at the center of a voter-registration scandal told The Post yesterday he was given cash and cigarettes by aggressive ACORN activists in exchange for registering an astonishing 72 times, in apparent violation of Ohio laws.
"Sometimes, they come up and bribe me with a cigarette, or they'll give me a dollar to sign up," said Freddie Johnson, 19, who filled out 72 separate voter-registration cards over an 18-month period at the behest of the left-leaning Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now.
"The ACORN people are everywhere, looking to sign people up. I tell them I am already registered. The girl said, 'You are?' I say, 'Yup,' and then they say, 'Can you just sign up again?' " he said.
Johnson used the same information on all of his registration cards, and officials say they usually catch and toss out duplicate registrations. But the practice sparks fear that some multiple registrants could provide different information and vote more than once by absentee ballot.
ACORN is under investigation in Ohio and at least eight other states - including Missouri, where the FBI said it's planning to look into potential voter fraud - for over-the-top efforts to get as many names as possible on the voter rolls regardless of whether a person is registered or eligible.
It's even under investigation in Bridgeport, Conn., for allegedly registering a 7-year-old girl to vote, according to the State Elections Enforcement Commission.
Meanwhile, a federal judge yesterday ordered Ohio's Secretary of State to verify the identity of newly registered voters by matching them with other government documents. The order was in response to a Republican lawsuit unrelated to the ACORN probe in Cuyahoga County, in which at least three people, including Johnson, have been subpoenaed.
Bribing citizens with gifts, property or anything of value is a fourth-degree felony in Ohio, punishable by up to 18 months in prison. And it's a fifth-degree felony - punishable by 12 months in jail - for a person to pay "compensation on a fee-per-registration" system when signing up someone to vote.
Johnson, who works at a cellphone kiosk in downtown Cleveland, said he was a sitting duck for the signature hunters, but was always happy to help them out in exchange for a smoke or a little scratch. He'd collected 10 to 20 cigarettes and anywhere from $10 to $15, he said.
The Cleveland voting probe, first reported by The Post yesterday, also focused on Lateala Goins, who said she put her name on multiple voter registrations. She guessed ACORN canvassers then put fake addresses on them. "You can tell them you're registered as many times as you want - they do not care," she said.
ACORN spokesman Kris Harsh said the group does not tolerate its workers paying people to sign the voter-registration cards.
ACORN's political wing has endorsed Barack Obama for president, but Ben LaBolt, a spokesman for the Obama campaign in Ohio, said ACORN has no role in its get-out-the-vote drive.
During the primary season, however, the Obama camp paid another group, Citizen Service Inc., $832,598 for various political services, according to Federal Elections Commission filings. That group and ACORN share the same board of directors.
In Wisconsin yesterday, John McCain blasted ACORN.
"No one should be corrupting the most precious right we have, that is the right to vote," he said.
It's a right Johnson will exercise. "Yeah, I've registered enough - I might as well vote."
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Seriously, if the Republicans were caught doing this shit, there would be a non-stop screaming from the media. Remember Florida in 2000? Holy fuck-the whining from the left still hasn't ended after that. Even after the NYT did it's own recount and concluded Bush won using any and all vote counting methodologies.
This ACORN shit is disgusting- where are the Dems in decrying this behavior? Where is the MSM?
Guess it's ok because ACORN is supporting Obama.
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I still listen to Amy Goodman and a host of other BAI programs, but some of it is just a little too ... idealistic and emotionally charged. You know what I mean? I think the country has to be pragmatic and view compromises as the best solution. That's where the middle/center lies.
But again, I don't discount the Progressive movements in the least. I just don't adhere to them en total. And Pacifica is a fantastic source of information. Shit, Amy had an economist on this morning who blew all the other analysts away with his explanation for the credit crisis and possible ways to correct it. -
I don't like what ACORN did. No Liberal I know does. But the Republicans have played with mass voter purges in past elections and are doing so again. Taking legitimate voters off the rolls. Are you outraged about that?
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Or "my fellow prisoners". Depends on how he's feeling that day...Hobo - if the economic crisis wasn't happening now, it might be a gamechanger. But in the end, it doesn't matter who gets him as long as he's taken care of. And due to some messed up policy decisions (ones that McCain can't step away from), it has taken far too long to do so.Speaking of which, anybody else see that "Dalton Fury" Delta Force guy on 60 MINUTES? VERY interesting and frustrating stuff on the effort to eliminate OBL. I think he's got a book coming out.
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Oct 10, 2008 11:23:17 AM CDT
SKINJOB - ANDERSON COOPER AND LOU DOBBS COVERED ACORN LAST NIGHT
by bringingsexyback
The MSM is all over this story. What are you so outraged about? I don't know if you noticed but the global economy is in full meltdown. That's of greater concern to, well, all of humanity outside of the McKKKainiacs.
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Oct 10, 2008 11:28:49 AM CDT
It's a sad state of affairs if fraudulent voting 'doesn't appeal
by skinjob69
There should be serious outrage from both sides. It should be blasted by BOTH sides, publicly. Obama would enhance his credibility if he came out against this shit, especially since he has past ties to ACORN.
And, BSB, I am outraged whenever people try to fuck with the vote. I just want the real result, whatever it is.
There have clearly been all types of voter supression by both parties- remember the attempt by Dems to supress overseas ballots (mostly soldiers) in 2004? Disgraceful. These people are fighing for our country and they can't fucking have their votes counted?
That was outrageous, but it's in the past. ACORN is now. Where's Obama on this shit? Have you no sense of decency, Senator? At long last, have you no sense of decency?
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God damn right Skinjob. Now fuck off. don't you have a lynching, I mean McCain rally, to get to?
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so let's ignore voter fraud? Come on, man. I think we're capable of discussing all of this, in addition to the economy, and not blow a mental gasket. Right?
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Can't you argue issues instead of throwing out personal attacks? Master Dickblood has taught you well.
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You and your bretheren have proved time and again you are immune to a logical discussion of the issues. In that vain, don't start crying if the Dems have finally wised up and have started pulling from your playbook. This is WAR.
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Farrakhan welcomes the V leader as the Messiah! Then half the population loses their critical-thinking ability and turn into mindless zomibies. The zombies can then shuffle around town beating up anyone who disagrees with them and instead of saying "Braaaiinns!" they scream "Chaaaaannge!". That would be awesome!!
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Please, Code. And your 'bretheren' have been nothing but rational, soft-spoken and open-minded these past few months?
Weren't you the one who told me to 'Fuck off'? Was it not you who suggested I'd attend a 'lynching'?
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Yeah. Meddling with voting is for cheap, sneaky assholes, no matter which side is doing it. NOBODY has driven that point more home in the last couple of elections than the Republicans.
Now, I'm expecting you'll allow for the overzealous boneheads at ACORN to go hide behind Obanma's ass and never receive any kind of punishment for it, just like Rove, Ken Blackwell and that little scamp Katherine Harris did?
Speaking of cheap sneaky assholes, how do you feel about the way McCain/Palin haven't said a goddamn word about stupid rednecks at their rallies screaming "KILL HIM!!" when Obama's name is brought up? That doesn't ignite your righteous fury quite so much, I take it? -
His base is eating it up like they're starving ... However I don' think it's going to get too much traction. It's just static at this point, and eventually the Ayers stuff will be cleared up - maybe at the next debate if McCain's got the balls to say something - and Obama should be able to pretty easily dismiss.The Rev. Wright stuff is harder to deal with and is pretty strange, imho. But either way these are minor issues, unless you think Obama is really running for president because he hates America, which to me is just conspiracy theory BS.
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Don't equal multiple votes. They fill out the form to shut up their pursuer, but how does that automatically mean they can vote more than once? They're just giving the same information over and over again. Anyway, how this reflects on Obama is a mystery to me. Is he responsible for the actions of everyone who's ever mentioned him by name too?
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I don't think you're the same breed of slobbering Foxhound as some of the spastic knee-jerk conservatives in here, so I'd really like to hear your feelings on Palin's silencing of a heckler at that recent rally where she essentially acknowledged his "Right To Protest", and ballyhooed her son's willingness to die to defend that right, and then gave the crowd a Big Smiley Thumb's-Up when they shouted the poor schmuck down.
You do see my point, I take it? "Sir you have the right to protest, and my son may die for that right - but I will be God Damned if I LET you protest - and I'll let this cranked-up mob do my dirty work for me!"
Fuck, even ED MUSKIE had the balls to challenge hecklers, and to debate with them right there in front of everybody. But not our Eva Pero - sorry, I mean Sarah Palin, eh? No No No, musn't take a public chance with THAT Artless Dodger.... -
I have tried time and again on these boards to have rational, calm, mutally respectful discussion on the issues. You've been TBing for what, two weeks? You wouldn't know would you? But just to humor you:
Yes. I'll admit voter reform is needed. Any system that pays workers to register voters is going to be subject to people committing crimes in order to meet or inflate quotas. Obviously this is wrong. But I object to the right's demonizing of an organization that helps low-income people take part in our political process. Make no mistake, the Republicans don't give a shit about the integrity of the voting system (they've proved that time and time again). No they simply want to shut down an organization that they perceive increases Democratic votes. I could give you a hundred examples of Republican voter fraud if you like.
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Clint should change his name to CLINT EAST SHIT. Then....and only then-- would he have the power to give us The Bridges of Madison County 2: Back In Da' Habit.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itEucdhf4Us
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Give their rallies all the exposure they want. Get the MSM to interview all their supporters and give them lots of camera time. Give them an opportunity to show America their value set.
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You are absolutely right, any fraud associated with the voting process is a horrible, horrible act, and should be investigated into the fullest.Just like it's a horrible, horrible tell sign on someone's character who appears to encourage the mob mentality that screams Obama is a "terrorist" or "kill him". Doesn't that cause one to hang their head in dismay and contempt at McCain/Palin for essentially condoning that behavior?
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That's even worse than the Ohio video.
"Do you think they (Obama-Biden presumedly) should die?"
"Everyone dies don't they?"
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I've never donated money to a campaign in my life (don't have much) but these fucking videos are SCARY man. I will not let these nutcases dictate the future of our country. Here comes my check Obama.
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but I wouldn't expect you to know that. I know what the TB's are generally like, but that's not how I post (please google to confirm). So you can drop the sarcastic "just to humor you", ok?
Here's me not giving you a suggestion for what to eat for lunch. -
Just because you refrain from cursing or name-calling doesn't make you right.
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The illegal registrations by ACORN is the problem. The mission of the organization isn't in question. Their methods are.
And you might be suprised that I'm frustrated with the negative talk at McCain/Palin rallies. They're wasting time with the character attacks, and they'd be much better off if they stuck to pointing out the real and substantial differences between the candidates' platforms.
I don't have a problem with calling out a heckler, though (it's her rally, after all). And fundamentally, Palin's point about the military ensuring our rights is valid. And shout-downs at rallies are nothing new, and not specific to any party. -
I never said I was morally superior. You were wrong when you said conservatives can't have a reasoned discussion. So here's your chance to have one.
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How do you feel about the hatred of Obama being generated (and encouraged) by the McCain campaign? Doesn't it make you angry that they would warp his image to conform to him being a terrorist? If that's the case, then Bush hasn't made the country safer if a terrorist could become a Senator.
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Go to barackobama.com and donate there. That's what I do.
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As hardcore as you are? Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeet. I send that fool $50 bucks last week and ordered a shit load of stickers. WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT HAPPEN!!
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I did just that. Got me a car sticker too, even though I don't have a car.
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Kind of funny. "When did you first hear of Barack Obama?" "Never."
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Kinda scary ... "Everyone dies, don't they?"
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McCain's strategists have apparently come to the conclusion that 'going negative' should be the tactic right now. I don't think it's going to work, and it will seems like it's backfiring based on the polls. Again, I think McCain would do better if he just pointed out the differences betweeen his platform and Obama's. There are major differences between the two (approach to healthcare, energy production, social policies, etc.)
Fundamentally, it comes down to two views of the government's role in this country. More or less. McCain should focus on his own policies.
What do you think about the video of the college freshmen declaring their "allegiance to Senator Obama", etc. Or Farrakhan's eqating Obama with the Messiah? Or James Carville insinuating there will be riots if Obama is up by 5% in the polls yet loses the election? This kind of stuff scares me- probably in the same way you are by the unhinged folks at some of Palin's rallies. -
... he decided to forego the experience angle. That was the best message for him because it was one he could honestly and forcefully broadcast it. Since he dropped that message, it's been one contrivance after another. I understand it's a "change election" but you gotta go with your strength. What is the point of attempting to beat Obama at his own game? During the debates, particularly the Town Hall one, McCain should have been setting the tone, but it was the other way around. I think the reason is because he is out of his element as far as what he's running on. He's such and old hand at this, yet has come across supremely uncomfortable, like he doesn't know what to do with himself. Maybe it's pushing it but I think that may also have something to do with a knowledge that he's taken such a cynical path.I'm not saying he'll definitely lose, but I'd be surprised if he didn't, just by how terrible his campaign has become.
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McCain's proposal of buying all the bad mortgages, reassessing people's homes to ensure that those people dumb enough to get themselves overextended, is disturbing. Again, this will lead to towns losing tax revenue, so they'll just raise the mill rate to offset the lowered home assessed values, and those of us who have paid their mortgages will pay higher taxes. Thanks government.I haven't heard of the "college freshmen declaring their allegiance to Senator Obama". Do you have a link? I'll try and search for it. I do not like James Carville one bit, and if he said that he's a fucking idiot. And Farrakhan...well that's yet another ridiculous statement that could influence those weak minded enough to actually believe it. While completely and utterly shit, at least it's not wishing physical harm against the other candidate, yes?
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I don't care what Rush Limbaugh says. It's funny, because during my lunch break, I went ahead and flipped to his station in the car, just to see what he's saying, and of course, "ACORN, ACORN, ACORN" . . . coloring it as the biggest scadal in American history, and somehowclaiming that Obama and ACORN are single-handedly responsible for the entire economic disaster. Suddenly, an hour and a half later, like clockwork, here comes an emboldened Skinjob69 to explain "the facts" to us. Rush also mentioned that if we start offshore drilling now, we can fix the currently ailing economy and get 2 trillion in government revenue. Oh, he also quoted Obama from the Tuesday debate, but the quote was literally "And of course Obama said urrr. . . uh, blah, blah, blah, uh,uh, blah." That Rush. . . in depth, man . . . in depth. Next predictable response from Skinjob69. "You don't know me!" or "I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh" or something along those lines. Right.
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We can bat names and public embarassments back and forth all day long - "Allegiance to Obama", yeah, well....a Bush rally in Albuquerque in 2004 did the same thing - wouldn't even let ticket holders in the joint unless they swore a "pledge of eternal allegiance to George Walker Bush" (I wonder what THEIR National Colors were?), and Farrakhan - you're trying to score points by quoting THAT asshole? I wouldn't believe that fucker if he was describing the weather. You ain't doing your argument any favors with that tactic....and if the Repubs use vote fraud and voter suppression to win THIS election, like the last one - then you tell me exactly what's so goddamn BAD about a riot. Exactly how many shit sandwiches ARE people required to swallow before they're allowed to get good and sick of it?
Of course there will always be excitable dipsticks that go overboard for their most recent object of worship. So WHAT? That's politics via celebrity cult, and both sides get the good and the bad that comes with it. But I really want to hear you try and deny that in this election, that Obama has taken the high road. Or that America NEEDED that. You don't LIKE his policies, but that doesn't make them FALSE or IMPOSSIBLE - unlike McCain's insurance bill or pork-filled Iraq pullout bills.
The real pragmatic problem with McCain's negative approach is that they've had to flat-out lie and distort so much to accomplish so little, and they've been so amateurishly BAD at it, that it makes anybody with a flea's ass worth of common sense wonder what kind of flagrant bullshit they'll use on US, if they get in. -
The Bank collapses Worlwide have triggered an awful lot of them and the next few weeks will see if the insurance industry can actually handle paying them all back.
But the Markets are in panic mode and it's gone beyond the credit crunch into fears about how deep a Global Recesion could be. There are talks about the G7 collectively underwriting and securing and insuring interbank lending now and this thing needs a Global response to mitigate it's worst effects.
All Bush did today was underline how totally ineffective and weak he is.
All this horseshit about Ayres or Acorn is frankly laughable in the face of what is a complete cataclysm that will not go away in a week, a month, a year, and if worst fears are realised TEN years.
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That's scary? It's a bunch of kids saying that Obama inspires them to be what they want to be in life. There is nothing scary about this video in the slightest.
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completely wrong for the teacher to have them do that. I'm not sure what any of that had to do with higher learning. Nor do I know why the teacher decided to post it on youtube. What scares me about that video is if those kids were acting on their own freewill, meaning the teacher told them what to say and hence they are not thinking for themselves. I don't get the military angle. What type of school is it?And sorry, but there is no hate being said in that video, unlike the first video from Ohio where the mob called out to "kill him". There's no comparison.
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Do not get overconfident. So far, the ACORN,Ayers,Wright, Son of Satan etc. etc. attacks have not made any traction. That is because the economy has dominated all. If wall street bottoms out in the next few weeks - and that is two weeks maximum. And if stocks begin to rise(my 401 really, really, really needs it). Then McCains negative campaign may gain traction. That would leave him only one week for it to work, but consider that it was early September when Obama seemed dead in the polls. I still believe that Obama wins, but I am not ready to count McCain out just yet. If the election is close, I gurandamntee that ACORN will be center stage, in a republican lawsuit.
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FUCK SUPERBAD. Shitty rental DVD won't work on my laptop. Politically, I hate the fact that Barack is mildly bette than McCain. Political leaders SHOULD inspire us, not be 'the lesser of two' unfit leaders.
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Never! No posse comitatus anymore!(by signing statement of course); a full millitary brigade stationed in the states under active duty for "emergencies". Rumors (yes, rumors only so far as I know) that there was a threat of Martial Law if the bailout was not passed.Some of the stuff I've read says that the brigade being stationed in the states is only answerable to the president. That means that, if the president so chooses, he can order them to arrest congress. Congress could not legally stop him. He could theoretically order them to fire on anybody he wants and if the service men and women refuse, they could be facing 5 years in prison.Before you go "Oh boy, here we go again...blah blah..Bush is gonna kill us all..blah blah...you crazy anti-Bush people are really flying to fantasy eh?"...allow me to ask you this...you feel ok with Obama or maybe Hillary Clinton with the ability to order the military to do whatever Obama or Clinton wants anytime they want?My problems don't stem from it being Bush but being alarming in the sense for the amount of power it gives the executive branch. No other branch of the government can so easily be turned into a tyranny as it all goes up to one individual. For Cheney to ignore Article 1 and state that he is not a member of the executive branch is alarming. For Palin to agree completely is alarming. This isn't partisan bullshit people...this is either idiots dismantling our constitution for their own ends or, worst case, a path to a closed society and American Tyranny through an omnipotent president (and no, a "benevolent dictator" is not acceptable in a democratic republic, ever).One person who legally has the power of life and death over the American population at large on nothing other than his or her whim. PotUS claims you an enemy combatant...he commands the military to drive a couple Abrahms down your block and lob shells into your house. No one would have the legal authority to stop him/her. This is fucking nuts people.And please please (PLEASE!) correct me if I'm wrong. I WANT to be wrong on this! I'm not saying closing America is the intent but that it is something that could happen as the laws on the books allow it...please tell me that the president and congress did not give a single person the power to take over the country without viable legal resistance.
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It was a CHARTER school meaning it is not subject to the rules and regulations of regular public schools. The student population of that school is 95% minority and its stated mission statement is to teach kids to celebrate their ethnic heritage. Given this, I think making a videotape of students rallying around the first viable Black candidate for President and having them express their hope that this candidate will help them be who they want to be is fine. I'll admit the fatigues are a bit scary but it may have ben part of the school's uniform.
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But in two weeks, ACORN will have done all the due dilligence, and the feds will have fully investigated them. Everybody wants an investigation, and I welcome it happening as quickly as possible, mostly to ensure that real voters don't get their valid registrations todded aside. If I had to agree with Skinjob69 on anything, it's that Obama should go ahead and volunteer everything and anything he knows about it proactively. Granted, there is a small, deperate sphere of America that will kneejerk negative, but they aren't voting for Obama anyway. Up until the day of the election, this ACORN thing will still be center stage on Fox and Rush, but once the real news cycle is done manhandling it, it'll go away to somethign else (though not necessarily something better). In the meantime, I think McCain is doing irreperable damage to not only his campaign, but to his entire legacy as a public servant. That's pretty sad.
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I can't even imagine being the subject of such a dangerous and threatening wave of hatred from McCain/Palin. I'll be going to the Hofstra debate - to stand firm for decency.
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Oct 10, 2008 2:31:33 PM CDT
Darth. As a former member of armed forces -Proudly a Marine
by toadkillerdog
I say: Chill. The. Fuck. Out. This is the United States of America. No President in it's history (outside of the Civil war)has ever commanded U.S. troops to fire on U.S. citizens. And Kent State does not count, because those were, scared, and woefully under-trained National Guard units. And even if some fruit cake President ever would do so, troops are not only encouraged, but forced by military law to disobey an unlawful order. It would be unlawful to fire on American troops unless Martial law were declared, and even then, you would have to find commanding officers who are more loyal to the President than to the Constitution - or the careers, that would implement it. because after Martial law was over, heads would roll. Here is an illuminating piece on how martial law works - Article 1, Section 9 states, "The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it." Habeas corpus is a concept of law, in which a person may not be held by the government without a valid reason for being held. A writ of habeas corpus can be issued by a court upon a government agency (such as a police force or the military). Such a writ compels the agency to produce the individual to the court, and to convince the court that the person is being reasonably held. The suspension of habeas corpus allows an agency to hold a person without a charge. Suspension of habeas corpus is often equated with martial law.
Because of this connection of the two concepts, it is often argued that only Congress can declare martial law, because Congress alone is granted the power to suspend the writ. The President, however, is commander-in-chief of the military, and it has been argued that the President can take it upon himself to declare martial law. In these times, Congress may decide not to act, effectively accepting martial law by failing to stop it; Congress may agree to the declaration, putting the official stamp of approval on the declaration; or it can reject the President's imposition of martial law, which could set up a power struggle between the Congress and the Executive that only the Judiciary would be able to resolve. NOw, do you really think that the most unpopular President of all time, would be able to get Congress to agree, or the courts? The military is not a pawn, it does not act as a brainless servant. This aint Hollywood. And just what pray tell set you off thinking about this?
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Oct 10, 2008 2:33:24 PM CDT
That video is scary? Why because its militant Negros?
by dannyglovers_dickblood
Give me a fucking break you fearful little rats.
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It's almost over. I'm not afraid of the angry malcontents at rallys, or any possibility of "martial law". The only reason we're seeing their voices so loudly now is because it's literally all the campaign has left. Believe me, any martial law that stops a legal election on Nov 4th will be met with swift resistance from the entire American population. Massive rioting, and it won't stop until Bush's head is hanging from the Lincoln Memorial. Remember that they are in office based on OUR consent. The mliitary and police in this country are not automotans either, they're Americans too. If some politician thinks they he can suppress the American people with our own armed forces, he'd better think again. I believe in the basic goodness of our military and our police force, and I know in my heart that as Americans, if ordered to start detaining random citizens and shooting into a crowd, they will simply say "No." And by some horrible miscalculation on my part that I'm wrong, you and I'll have to grab a simple pitchfork and die fighting them like brave little Hobbits. . . . but we can't be afraid.
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And said it better.
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That sounds good but how many commanding officers are really that knowledgeable of the Constitution? And don't tell me they study it. I studied Constitutional Law....I forgot 98% of what I learned about a month later.
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Oct 10, 2008 2:38:00 PM CDT
CAN YOU IMAGINE HOW OBAMA'S DAUGHTERS FEEL RIGHT NOW?
by bringingsexyback
I hope Michelle is shielding them from the coverage.
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They had military type garb you can say, but that's it. I just was hoping that it was the kids expressing their own opinions, not that of just the teacher. So many people just regurgitate what they hear without actually thinking about what they are saying or what it means. Thanks node.
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It'd be nice if people were that concerned about the innocent members of Palin's family, but that's asking too much now - isn't it?
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Uhhhh don't be foolish sir.
It is Palin responsible for citing this hatred and riling up the crowd. She is an evil fucking whore. I'm sure her kids know this....they live with her. -
Next time you hear an Obama rallyer scream something in kind at McCain/Palin, I'd share your outrage.
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When did the video come out of someone at an Obama rally screaming "Kill her!" after he mentioned Palin. Must have missed it.
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It does not take a scholar on law to know that it would be career suicide not to mention possible execution, if an officer in the United States military did something as stupid as firing on U.S. citizens - let alone Congress! Especially within U.S borders. Consider this - we have a free press for a reason. Within minutes of declaring martial law, every pundit in America would be weighing in on the constitutionality of the declaration. Unless the military took control of Congress, and all major broadcasting outlets - at the same time, not to mention shutting down the internet, there is no way that such an order could be implemented without any officers questioning the legality. Sure, some juinior officers might be dumb enough to try, but the senior officers would know better. Like I said, the military is not brainless. We are not kneejerk. This is not a movie. In limited, islolated situations, you might indeed get over-reaction by the military. But we are talking about martial law being declared by the President. That is about as big as it gets. No, way. No how, would that escalate unless a true emergency - asteroid hits, or, The Bates goes on a rampage.
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I hope Todd is shielding them from the coverage.
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Families should be off limits, completely, when it comes to politics. But that'd mean having elections based on policy rather than character assassinations.
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....but there has been quite a lot of evidence in the past and as of late to suggest military can be both knee jerk and brainless. They are human beings......holding deadly weapons. Of course stupid shit can happen.
I just don't understand why you would so matter of factly think this is an impossible notion. Crazier shit has happened. Look at the fucking Holocaust. Holy shit....imagine trying to warn people of that predicament 10 years before it happened. People would be like, "Uhhhh yeah. Get the fuck outta here. Nobody is gonna yank me out of my fucking house. This is Germany." -
Oct 10, 2008 2:49:35 PM CDT
Her children probably don't need to see this either . . .
by wereplatypus
happy?
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I think someone yelling 'kill him' in regards to Obama is disgusting. I'm not condoning it - I'm just saying that it has to be a two way street.
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...we're supposed to feel sorry for Palin as if she is being attacked in the same manner as Barrack? Not quite.
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Agree to disagree, last thing I want is to go round in circles here.
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Oct 10, 2008 2:56:23 PM CDT
Man, have election campaigns ever made me glad to have a dvr....
by half-baked-goggle-box-do-gooder
Lets ya skip right past the brain-melting horseshit, that's what a dvr does. It lets you see attack ads in their proper persective: On "The Daily Show". Yippers!
"As far as the low-rent bigotry of McCain/Palin goes.....I guess that if McCain couldn't scrape together the balls to stomp the mortal fuck outta Karl Rove for calling his adopted daughter a n****r baby, then McCain must feel that racial insults just aren't that big a deal."
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In which the military is culpable. You have kids, 19,20, 21 year olds, some scared, some relying solely on swagger -not unlike a college football team getting pumped up for a game - only this aint a game, and everyone is holding deadly weapons. You have people trying to kill them for no other reason than they are Americans. So, yes, isolated incidents do occur. But we are talking about martial law within the United States. Something like that does not occur overnight. That takes a build uop, and a brigade aint gonna do the trick either. That would be unprecedented. Using Germany and the Jews is instructive. What happened there did not take place overnight, and many, many Jews saw the writing on the wall or the windows being broken, and they got out. Like I said, military not brainless.
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....and I hope you're right.
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Her party is the one preaching "family values" and also the one trying to make personal decisions for us (abortion, marriage) so what her kids do and do not do is not off limits.
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Is this something that is taught in the military, toad, because to me it has no place in the armed forces. Is it something that motivates them or gives them courage? Is that the thinking? Becasue to me it's slipepry slope between swagger and potentially dagerous insolence or arrogance.
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I don't have a full understanding of it, granted, but it takes a lot of stupid people to be able to outlaw abortion and gay marriage, right? It's not just a done deal because the Vice President wants it?
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Oct 10, 2008 3:21:40 PM CDT
Disquieting, to say the least - Skin Job,
by half-baked-goggle-box-do-gooder
EXACTLY why the fuck do you think the "Liberal media" won't look at a story like this?
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Just like my football analogy. Swagger is not dangerous, neither is braggadocio, but most of that is limited to the kids .18,19,20,21 year olds are kids. Away from home for first time. With people trying to kill them. Witnessing their friends being killed and maimed. So, yes, a certain swagger develops, but the older you get that swagger wears off and is replaced by confidence and awareness.
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Whether she has the power to change it is regardless of the point. She is a walking hypocrisy....she would ban all sex education in public schools if she could. That is beyond fucking ignorant. That is absolutely brain dead. And then she can just smirk and wink about how her daughter is pregnant and 17 and handling the situation A-Ok. Well not everyone's mom is a fucking Governor you stupid fucking whore. How many lives is that going to effect if you outlaw sex ed in schools in urban lower income areas with a teen mother living in a one room apartment with 4 siblings. Grow a fucking brain you dumb bitch!! Start caring about other people for once. Jesus Christ.....thats all it fucking comes down to. Give a shit about someone else for a change and you find many of your views conflict with that of the Republicans. So Zeddemore....that is why her daughter's pregnancy is fair game. Not to be cruel to the daughter for kicks, but to point out what a failure the Conservative Ideology is. It doesn't work. Sarah Palin's daughter is the poster child for the failure of an abstinence only mentality.
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It is dangerous. That is what leads to knee jerk decisions where innocents are killed. But I also think it is necessary. How else would you convince someone to put himself in a situation where he could be killed and is killing others? This is not normal behavior to partake in. You gotta fuck up someone's head a little bit to get them to do this....
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The daughter is a contradiction, yes. I don't blame people for targetting that (even if, personally, I find it disconcerting), but what about her young son? Are the questions about his parentage really fair-game? That's the sort of thing that bugs me, if I'm honest... and I'd say the same if people went after Obama's family, even if the guy strikes me as a used car salesman who - should he become President - will do an adequate job and not really be as proficient in Office as people expect. Better than McCain, granted, but not by a lot.
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What is the issue with the son's parenting? I haven't heard a thing about this and basically all I've been reading for the past month is political coverage.
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I'm 23 and abstinent. But my parents were insane and didn't demand I be abstinent. Teenagers rebel about anything, the more you demand a certain mode of behaviour the less chance you'll get it.
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An actual used car salesman could do a better job running the country than that fucking scumbag McCain.
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There was this uproar over her young son (the one with Downs Syndrome) - people claimed he was the daughter's kid, and it just made me sick. Not so much whether she was or wasn't, but because it seemed a malicious attack on an innocent child. Palin gives enough room for criticism, that just crossed the fucking line.
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There was this uproar over her young son (the one with Downs Syndrome) - people claimed he was the daughter's kid, and it just made me sick. Not so much whether she was or wasn't, but because it seemed a malicious attack on an innocent child. Palin gives enough room for criticism, that just crossed the fucking line.
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23?! What? You're telling me you've never bent the piss fenders?
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I'm not in a 'panic' state over this but to answer your question as to where I got this information, it is definitely a "progressive" writer, Naomi Wolfe, but it's not an opinion piece. What IS intersting is her correspondence with a retired Air Force Colonel David Antoon:"If the President directed the First Brigade to arrest Congress, what could stop him?""Nothing. Their only recourse is to cut off funding. The Congress would be at the mercy of military leaders to go to them and ask them not to obey illegal orders.""But these orders are now legal?'""Correct.""If the President directs the First Brigade to arrest a bunch of voters, what would stop him?""Nothing. It would end up in courts but the action would have been taken."
"If the President directs the First Brigade to kill civilians, what would stop him?""Nothing."
"What would prevent him from sending the First Brigade to arrest the editor of the Washington Post?""Nothing. He could do what he did in Iraq -- send a tank down a street in Washington and fire a shell into the Washington Post as they did into Al Jazeera, and claim they were firing at something else.""What happens to members of the First Brigade who refuse to take up arms against U.S. citizens?""They'd probably be treated as deserters as in Iraq: arrested, detained and facing five years in prison. In Iraq a study by Ann Wright shows that deserters -- reservists who refused to go back to Iraq -- got longer sentences than war criminals.""Does Congress have any military of their own?""No. Congress has no direct control of any military units. The Governors have the National Guard but they report to the President in an emergency that he declares."
"Who can arrest the President?""The Attorney General can arrest the President after he leaves or after impeachment."
[Note: Prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi has asserted it is possible for District Attorneys around the country to charge President Bush with murder if they represent districts where one or more military members who have been killed in Iraq formerly resided.]"Given the danger do you advocate impeachment?""Yes. President Bush struck down Posse Comitatus -- which has prevented, with a penalty of two years in prison, U.S. leaders since after the Civil War from sending military forces into our streets -- with a 'signing statement.' He should be impeached immediately in a bipartisan process to prevent the use of military forces and mercenary forces against U.S. citizens""Should Americans call on senior leaders in the Military to break publicly with this action and call on their own men and women to disobey these orders?""Every senior military officer's loyalty should ultimately be to the Constitution. Every officer should publicly break with any illegal order, even from the President.""But if these are now legal. If they say, 'Don't obey the Commander in Chief,' what happens to the military?""Perhaps they would be arrested and prosecuted as those who refuse to participate in the current illegal war. That's what would be considered a coup.""But it's a coup already.""Yes."..[sorry for long post]So, no, I'm not 'panicking' but I am concerned. Any time even a hint of threat to our democratic republic comes up I think it is our duty as citizens within that dr to seek answers.And let me be quick to respond to your statement about the military: I agree 100%. I have tremendous, nearly absolute respect for the military and though I have never served myself, nearly every male in my family has going way back so believe me, I neither think the military are robots nor automatons. I think we do far to little for those who say they are willing to die to serve this country. I think that shame is something all of us should carry and simply expel those of our "leaders" who do not support our soldiers but I think we are in "uncharted" waters here with the power given to the executive and that uncertainty has me nervous. -
Yep, completely serious. See The Zone for proof, I post as 'Chilli.'
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http://tinyurl.com/3pa2nqWell...you can take Sherman's word for it or not...but it's not a "rumor".
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You got to let some things go. That was over two months ago, and it came from a few UFO hunting conspiracy theorists. That was never a story picked up by anybody credible, and it was never believed by anybody credible.
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Will do, just making a point!
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You are a noble human being. I could not say no to hole for that long.
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Thank you a from the very bottom of our national heart for your service to this nation. I say this with absolute sincerity and appreciation.Hate McCain, Bush, Obama, Clinton, blah blah...it's all nonsense...We must do right by the soldiers in so many ways that it's simply shameful when we do not. Serious honor, gratitude, and respect to you, the enlisted men and women of the US Armed Forces.
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You son of a bitch....thanks to you I'm packing my fucking bags right now and heading to Sydney. I have family. Fuck this..... (tires screech)
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I'm not noble, I just find nightclubs to be degenerating and soul-sucking Hell holes... and in this Uni town, that's where most the pulling takes place.
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Hhhmmmm......do you masturbate like a squirrel?
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Anyone else ever watched NCIS? I'm watching it, and I'm hoping that whoever turns out to be President can make a phone-call and get it cancelled. FUCKING ATROCIOUS!
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Not as much as I used to. Don't get me wrong, I like the ladies... I'm just one of those rare guys who honestly isn't fixated on one thing.
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Damn, good for you. I wish I was more like you. I am unfortunately fixated with the pussy......it is an incredible little clam.
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I probably shouldn't have posted that (it might lead to another banning), but I'm bored and NCIS is SHIT!
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I have no idea about politcal leaning or motivation of that Col. But it appears to be very anti-Bush. And even though he answered truthfully, he did not answer fully. Yes, the President, upon declaring martial law - and upon it being accepted, could indeed do all of that. But it is contingent on a Congress doing nothing, on the Courts doing nothing, on the free press doing nothing, and on the military being brainless. And mostly on the President being completely Mad. All of that would have to take place for the scenario you posted to become reality. That is a bit far-fetched in this enviroment. If we had months of wide-spread civil unrest - and I mean open armed rebellion that local police could not handle, if we had months of escalating violence, that made leaders nervous, then maybe we could get a declaration of martial law that the military would follow. This is not a banana republic. The military has checks and balances for this type of behavior. The joint chiefs would be involved - they are nothing if not political. No one, Repub or Dem wants a madmen with military power loose in the United States. No one. It will never happen under the scenario you posted.
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Oct 10, 2008 3:59:03 PM CDT
interesting Machio but Bush wishes he was anywhere but the White
by g100
You will never see a President more eager to get the fuck out of there than Bush is right now. He's barely there as it is. He's already clearing brush in Crawford mentally if not physically.
Are those things a menace to a free society ? Absofuckinglutely. But every Executive tries to claw more power to itself. It isn't new but it must always be monitored.
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Toad-- you just described a McCain Presidency. Now I'm really packing my bags....FUCK!!!
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I feel just as you do...but I do think that so much of this is important to discuss but not reason to loose our composure. Same thing with the financial crisis and that WILL affect people directly but still, the scenario described above is absolutely a worst case "nightmare" scenario but nothing to be dismissed as simply pure paranoia. Those things you bring up about what must occur for this horrible scenario to take place are not outside the realm of possibility. But not a guarantee that it will happen. However, there is a need for due diligence and civilian attention beyond what the 'profit/scandalous'-biased media (read: free yes but worthless in terms of informing citizens of the real issues for the most part) is actually going to report on...
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Reagan - who had alzheimers, did not destroy the U.S. so neither would McCain.
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Mr. Puddles! Mr. Puddles! I have snausages!
That was SERIOUSLY one of the funiest things I have seen on the Daily Show in quite some time. (and that's saying something!)
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The hyper-left are fully expecting Bush to cancel the elections and declare martial law and instill himself as "President for life". It's laughable.But you start changing the constitution or using 'signing statements' to ignore this or what or whatever you feel like ignoreing (which both dems and repubs have used) then I start getting nervous.
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Yeah...I forget which host...but there is some guy on America still saying he absolutely does not believe the election will happen. He thinks something is gonna happen keeping Bush in office for another year or so.....
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...after Seagal's character in Attack Force -- MARSHALL LAW!!
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Oct 10, 2008 4:19:00 PM CDT
Platypus: wtf are you talking about? I never mentioned Limbaug
by skinjob69
WTF. I'm working most of the day and I post during breaks in the action. Not listening to Rush, so I have no idea what you're talking about. Honestly.
And what is with:
"You don't know me!" or "I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh" or something along those lines."
Again, WTF. 1) How does that relate to your Limbaugh quotes, and 2) I have never mentioned Rush in a TB, and 3) You're misquoting me, but I had told Dickblood yesterday that he was assuming too much about me in one of his posts.
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Oct 10, 2008 4:20:48 PM CDT
oh Jesus Christ....SkinJob69.....parties over....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
....you just reminded me I gotta empty my shit-bag. I'm fucking out.
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This went south quickly.
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Read your Salon article. I'm sorry, but I think this whole secessionist story is a useless canard. No better than the Ayers or Rezko shit. Maybe that's why the media aren't covering it? Because, in the weeks after Palin's selection, the MSM certainly showed no restraint in their coverage. They even went with the story that Palin's Down's syndrome child was secretly her daughter's baby. Disgraceful- that utterly ridiculous and demonstrably false garbage came from a left-wing blog. A fantasy from some douchebag's blog- direct to cable news. Absolutely insane.
And that's just one example of the out-and-out frenzy of bullshit that the media dredged up back then. Basically, the MSM saw the potential for Palin to change the game, and they wanted to marginalize her in any way possible, as soon as possible. No wonder Fox and CNN are consistently tops in cable news, and sleaze-mongers like MSNBC and flamingly-biased NYT are at the absolute, scum-sucking bottom. -
Come on, they may be dressed in military garb, but physically they're not that intimidating. Some are close to 300lbs, and my 11 year old niece could probably outrun them all.
What's scary is their rote recitation of their oaths, which are about a US senator. A lot of people are inspired by Obama, but few go to this degree to demonstrate it. So if you want to characterize this behavior as normal, I think most Americans would disagree.
Also scary, at least to me, is the fact that many of Obama's supporters are bordering on a cult of personality. The folks fainting at rallies, the Messianic descriptions of Obama, etc. It's more than a little freaky. And his cadences during speeches, often reminiscent of a preacher delivering a sermon on Sunday. And when people are surveyed on the street and asked about Obama's positions on the issues..."I don't know, but he's for change that's for sure." Ridiculous.
So, yeah, when Carville insinuates a riot could come about if Obama loses I think he's probably right.
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Oct 10, 2008 5:11:24 PM CDT
"No wonder Fox and CNN are consistently tops in cable news" ROFL
by g100
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Hahahahahahahahahahaha! Hoooooooooo Mommma! That's some REAL Fucking Comedy Right There!
Do you write for the Colbert report by chance Skinjob ?
The only alternative would be that you REALLY ACTUALLY BELIVE FOX News isn't the complete joke everyone knows it is.
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Look at the nielsen ratings. Am I right? Those are the two top cable news networks. Period. MSNBC is consistently last (except Matlin beats Larry King in her timeslot).
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And see how fucking effective that has been and will continue to be for McCain the Republicans and FOX.
Because even FOX can't pretend the Economy is doing fine or it isn't the biggest story and most financialy far reaching event for decades.
As for the Nielsons. So fucking what ? We aren't talking about American Idol we're talking about NEWS. You remember NEWS right ? It isn't predicated on sensational ratings or dimwitted ranters like O'Reilly. It's predicated on something called JOURNALISM. Investigative journalism, respectability, a wide variety of sources and reporters. INTEGRITY in short.
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I don't watch it too much, but I'm always impressed by its ability to live up to its reputation. You don't have to watch for more than 15 minutes to find some outrageous bias. I'll never buy the idea that, because reporters and editors have an inherent bias, that the way to correct that is having an OVERTLY and actively biased news network. I think the majority of major news outlet professionals at least try to keep their biases in check, and I prefer it that way. Fox News is like a sign of surrender, that journalistic integrity isn't even worth attempting.
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Have the largest markets. This means that Fox and CNN earn more from the commericals between the swill because more people watch them. Exactly how does this legitimize the actual content? The Oscars have incredible worldwide ratings, so does that mean what Sean Penn and Babs say on the red carpet during the Oscars preshow is "extra true"? BTW SkinJob69, I was out of line with the Limbaugh stuff. I was still listening when I saw your posts, and I swear it was almost word for word. Apologies. A campaign season has many emotional highs and lows and listening to that lunatic for a couple of hours was bad news for me. Next time I comment on one of your posts, I'll stick to your. . . eh, shall we say. . . "content?"
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When someone is looking for news, reported accurately, who they decide to view is reflected in the ratings.
And are you actually suggesting Fox is somehow not covering, or belittling, the economic crisis? Are you serious? All the cable news nets are running the economy story 9 of 10 on-air minutes.
Also, I don't always agree with O'Reilly, but why would his ratings be so high if he was in fact "dimwitted"? So the millions who watch him are all somehow dimwitted as well? Oh, right, you disagree with his opinions, so he must be dimwitted. You give me and many millions of Americans too little credit.
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is also a Brand. And the whole "liberal media bias" thing is a way to instill brand loyalty. It's like Captain Crunch telling you that Count Chocola is a terrorist and a biased far-left lunatic. As a result, we got a lot of dumbasses in America right now who eat nothing but Captain Crunch.
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Pathetic motherfuckers. This is absolute desperation, and the most blatant racism in modern politics we've seen in a long time. We knew this would happen. We knew they would throw everything at him they possibly could. These tactics will go down in history displaying the slimy treachery of that party that once existed called Republicans.
For anyone voting for Obama on these TB's....its time to stop fucking around and being wishy washy. Stay strong.
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not what the network says about their competitors. Anyone with cable can flip flop between all the networks with ease. Somehow, when they watch the respective networks' reportage, more often than not they settle on Fox or CNN. MSNBC not so much? Why is that, do you think? I'd say it's because they wear their left wing bias on their sleeve. It is their 'brand' now. They are such a piss poor news outlet that they actually had their editorial commentators (Chris "Obama gives me a tingle down there" Matthews, and Keith "Unhinged" Olberman) covering the 'straight' news for them. They were subsequently removed from this role, in case you haven't heard.
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Whatever. You're an idiot. You're posting for your own pleasure. TB jerk off is what it is.
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"The hyper-left are fully expecting Bush to cancel the elections and declare martial law and instill himself as "President for life". It's laughable."
I agree. Bush does not want to be President any more - there's no need. He's already drained the treasury to fill the pockets of his family and business cronies. There's nothing left to steal, so "mission accomplished".
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I live in NY, and this state hasn't gone red in decades (the one exception being in 1984).
And are you suggesting this was some sort of Republican conspiracy? Both sides have admitted responsibility:
''No question this is an honest mistake innocently done,'' said Edward McDonough, the Democratic commissioner. ''We catch almost everything.''
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"Read your Salon article. I'm sorry, but I think this whole secessionist story is a useless canard. No better than the Ayers or Rezko shit. Maybe that's why the media aren't covering it? Because, in the weeks after Palin's selection, the MSM certainly showed no restraint in their coverage. They even went with the story that Palin's Down's syndrome child was secretly her daughter's baby. Disgraceful- that utterly ridiculous and demonstrably false garbage came from a left-wing blog. A fantasy from some douchebag's blog- direct to cable news. Absolutely insane."
1) Not covering the secessionist story doesn't mean there's "nothing there". That has never stopped them before. If the MSM was truly a "liberal media" they'd have gone after it like a hungry dog thrown a steak.
2) Palin got put under a microscope because she was a cipher - nobody knew anything about her, so they pulled out the stops to find out who the hell she was.
3) Having said that, the baby story wasn't covered by the MSM. They stayed the hell away from it, other than to report that some nutcases were bantering it around on the web.
Again, if there was actually a "liberal media bias" you'd have been hearing about that 24/7 from all corners. I think your definition of MSM is... somewhat expanded in this case. -
So I'm afraid your talking out of your ass there. Not ONE of the Big News Networks ever claimed that story was true. (And FYI I also called BULLSHIT on it at the time in AICN)
So perhaps you should have actually chosen a story that was TRUE for your "example of the out-and-out frenzy of bullshit that the media dredged up" Because piling on more and more horseshit simply don't fly.
And I loved your little rant about the cult of Personailty. Are you so completely oblivious and out of touch that you haven't noticed PALIN trying to ride a cult of Personality FAR more than Obama ever has ? He's been campaigning for what ? bout 2 years ? And this peabrain pops up a few weeks ago and is still too shit scared to face a few reporters in a press conference. Yet we are somehow supposed to believe she is ready to become the President at a moments notice and tackle 2 intractable wars and a shattered Economy ????
Nope. Nobody serious is buying that crap. She can wink and blow kisses all she likes because the overwhelming majority of people have IMPORTANT things on their mind right now. That's why some Republicans have already called McCain out on his fruity folksy Hockey Mom Gamble.
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It's not often on TB's when someone admits to being wrong.
On the ratings issue, I have to disagree. There's an error in your logic as all things are not equal when considering viewership of news vs. entertainment, such as the Oscars. People aren't watching the Oscars to get information about the world's goings on. They go to network news for that. And again, for whatever reason, Fox gets more viewership. BTW there is a fairly even split between fox viewers who label themselves as 'republicans' as there are 'democrats'. -
nice post, well reasoned, and you didn't curse me out for disagreeing with you. How refreshing on this talkback! See, Dickblood? It can be done by everyone! Yes We Can!!
But seriously, beemer, are you being honest with "nobody knew anything about her (Palin), so they pulled out the stops to find out who the hell she was."?
So what was being done was purely a search for objective news on the governor? I'm sorry, but the news was frequently delivered with a negative slant (esp. the NYT). There was a borderline hysterical reaction from the MSM regarding Palin, again because she was perceived as a threat to their 'narrative' of Obama winning easily. Don't take my word for it, there are many discussions of the Palin coverage on news-watch sites, and surveys reveal that a large majority of Americans feel that Palin was treated unfairly by the news.
The fact that it was regarding a woman, in many cases, revealed the double standard on the left. For example, a female liberal comentator actually said, "She should stay home and take care of the kids, not run for office." Holy shit with the sexism on display in those weeks. So the dems purportedly support women's rights and progress in society, but apparently only for the 'right' women. Again, disgraceful.
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Oct 10, 2008 6:19:48 PM CDT
SkinJob69 -- oh fuck off....I have a filthy fucking mouth...
by dannyglovers_dickblood
...and I love to release it on worthless racism condoning motherfuckers like yourself. Its not an issue of them trying to win New York. Its a tactic of spreading the poison of racism into the cracks. Its working. Look how fucking jazzed the Nascar crowd is. They are making it acceptable to slam a candidate based on nothing but his race.
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But some of us actually remember how FOX and some of the other Networks treated Hillary and despite this she wasn't afraid of reporters.
Oh and someone else attacked Hillary for "whining" about her treatment from the Media.
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because there was more than enough negative coverage at the time for me to chose from. And I am pretty certain that MSNBC reported the baby story as more than just "look at this blog B.S."
I disagree on Palin's following being 'more of a cult of personality' than Obama. The number of Obama zealots far outweighs that of Palin. The Barackopolis in Denver with the 70,000 people? It was like a rock-star performance. And again, his policy positions are unknown to many of his loudest supporters. It's image over substance every time, and his fellow Democrats (including Biden) all said as much during the Primaries.
Palin resonates because she is a WOMAN, who came from a relatively AVERAGE background, who got into politics starting in the PTA. She strikes liberals as 'stupid' because she has a country sensibility about her. That doesn't fly with the elite liberals or the media. She, unlike many folks running for office, really is an outsider in D.C. And haven't people wanted that for a long time? Her election would help women's progress. And honestly, she'd bring a breath of fresh air to politics in general (sorry, but Biden is as stale as they come).
I'm sure I'll get blasted for saying something positive about Palin here. Bring it on. I can take it. But I like a self-made womn who doesn't come from a rich or political family running for high office. She's inexperienced, but so's Obama (again, ask Biden or Clinton).
And G100: "The thought of Palin trying to negotiate with the G7 a comperehensive Global Economic Solution that involves International Monetary Treaties and co-ordinated action on interest rates and InterBank Lending is PURE SATIRE."
Funny, because I honestly feel the same way about a guy who'd only been in the Senate for 2 years before running for the presidency. He's a decidedly green guy to have gotten so far. Why that is, I'm not sure. Maybe because the field is pretty weak on the left, and Obama gives better speeches than most. Sorry if you're offended by that, but that's how I honestly feel about the guy. The presidency is "not the time for on-on-the-job training".
Palin's just the VP nominee. She'll have time to gain experience.
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I must repeat, "Are you SHITTING me?"
Palin was not on the national stage until McCain selected her for the VP slot. Her name was floated but that's about it - she was so remote a possibility that she wasn't reported on. When she was selected, everyones' heads snapped from the force of their double-takes, and media scrambled to have something to say about her. And I don't recall saying anything about "objective". (They had news hours to fill!) But even with the coverage of her daughter's pregnancy, they stayed clear of the speculation of her son's parentage.
You've created your own narrative on what the media covered and their motives, and used the opinions of like-minded people to bolster it. "If a thousand people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing." Opinion is not fact. That goes for both whether Palin was mistreated by the press or whether Fox is a credible news organization because lots of people watch it.
You're also quick to inflate "a female liberal commentator" into "the dems". HUH?
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While vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin and her supporters have bitterly accused the media for treating her unfairly, in this short video, Palin criticizes Hillary Clinton for also whining about the media!
It’s a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black!
http://tinyurl.com/3qxle5
What a hypocritical Douchebag !
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Oct 10, 2008 6:44:21 PM CDT
Dickblood- I don't 'condone racism', so 'fuck you' right back
by skinjob69
Where have I made a racist comment here? That's right, nowhere.
I'm sick of the left labeling those who criticize Obama as "racist". The media and left-wing individuals are finding "racism" everywhere it seems (even where it doesn't exist).
Fuck racism, AND race-baiters.
Honestly, it's Obama's inexperience and far left ideology that should be the focus, not his race. The former should be more than enough to say, "the guy may be good someday, but maybe he was pushed into a presidential run too soon." In time, and with more experience, he could be a formindable candidate. He needs seasoning first.
Let's have a grown-up, with a grown-up's wisdom in office.
McCain/Palin '08
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I never said you've made a racist comment....so thanks for putting words in my mouth motherfucker.
You as well as that fuck toy Palin sit idly by while this campaign continues to spiral deeper and deeper into fear mongering and hatred. Hatred for the guy that just so happens to be a person of color with a very un-American name which is brought up accidentally every 30 fucking seconds. Screaming he is a fucking terrorist at rallies is fucking disgusting. And yes...it is fucking racist. There is no way in hell they would be saying any of this shit if it were just another white dude. There is an overall sentiment of disrespect and hatred completely dependent on the fact that Obama is not white. You-- like most Republican pieces of shit will say not one fucking word to condone this. I do not call all McCain supporters racist. I hate that shit as much as the next guy...blindly throwing the term around. But this campaign has clearly turned to racist/Xenophobic tactics and you and people like you wouldn't dare say a negative thing about it. SO FUCK OFF COWARD... -
BwaHahahahahahahahaha !
Level with us skinjob. You are a writer for The Colbert Report aren't you ?
Either that or you have been trapped in a Bubble for the last couple of years.
You SERIOUSLY don't remember Hillary and Obama fighting neck and neck for months in one of the most hardfought battles ever for a Nomination ? Was that because they were 2 "weak" candidates ? Or is it because those in the real world, and not the Fantasy world of FOX News spin, know that they were BOTH formidable campaigners and candidates ? whereas McCain was SO good he was virtually out of it and written off by many Republicans in his race.
We know as AT LEAST as much about Obama's Policies than we do McCains. Or were you still in your Bubble when McCain decided to abandon the Issues and deperately try for the pathetic smears by association instead of campaiging on the Issues that matter to voters like the Economy ?
And McCain has admitted he really should know more about the Economy wheras Obama has been campaigning on the Economy LONG before this clusterfuck ever happened. He also had the foresight to get Warren Buffet on board as an Economic advisor long ago and even McCain had to admit Buffet is a huge Economic boost for Obama. -
Oct 10, 2008 6:52:24 PM CDT
SkinJob69 -- so what you have seen on stage...
by dannyglovers_dickblood
....at the debates. The lost old man pacing around, you call that wisdom? Okay. I gotcha. Just because you're old....you're wise. Got it.
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And that's EXACTLY what the Voters and the GROWN-UP'S want it to be about. Buuh-bye skinjob.
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But that's a GOOD thing , right skinjob ?
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Nice partisan beatdown. I suppose when people (like skinjob) are so ingrown into ideology and mesmerized by the succinct shininess of well-polished talking points, then reason and compassion need to go pray quietly in the corner while partisan passion drops a roll of nickels into a sock and starts swinging. That's a talkback for you, and I understand the fury. I'll say a sincere prayer for skinjob all the same. May we all get well soon.
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You don't think there are millions of dimwits in this country? Wow.Now I don't actually think O'Reilly is a dimwit, but he is an ass and not half as smart as he thinks he is.And to say the ratings are high because people look to Fox News for accurate reportage is ridiculous. It's not as simple as that - SOME people do, maybe. But where people get their news doesn't reflect where they think the most accurate news is necessarily. There are a host of other things that attract them: the personalities, the presentation, etc etc. It's well-known that muckraking and yellow journalism, rabble-rousing, controversy, and hell good old fashioned LOUDNESS typically attract more people than dry, fact-based reportage. Also, people often like to see their own worldview reinforced and Fox comes on stronger than any other network in reinforcing a certain worldview.
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Cindy McCain is a rich elitist who doesn't give a fuck about Americans who've suffered. Her husband was right to call her a cunt and she sure looks like one. McCain isn't bi-polar but is so addled shuffles from one view to another and back again, a doddering old man. My father, 75, is far more coherent. Far more. Wisdom? Not in my universe, Skinjob you moronic child. Have you endured, after a happy 20 years with one company and seven with another, three - THAT'S THREE company cutbacks/layoffs in the past seven years?? So stand in my shoes you fuck. Or come to where I live and I WILL POUND YOUR FACE because I'm not a 'timid liberal' you sack of shit. I'm angry one and I will not turn the other cheek to wavering opportunists like McCain (ditched his first wife for the rich ankle -that's three feet lower than a c...t- the religio-fascist aw shucks used car saleswoman Palin and everyone around them. And I saw those brain-dead idiots at that McCain rally today shown on TV. "He's a Arab"...."I'm sick of those gosh-durned socialists"..."bomb him" (like all those in the civil rights movement in the '60s bombed, tortured and murdered). There's your America skin-boy and you can have it.
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...anytime. Then, we'll just argue film and it'll be a hoot
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Okay so you like Palin in theory. Can you say with a straight face that she doesn't very often spout uninformed-sounding near-gibberish? Not in a speech, not her prepped answers at the debate - half of which were gnarly anyway. How can you defend her, much less advocate for her? On what basis does she instill any confidence in you? Blue-Demon more less fessed up that he agrees with her politics, and that's why he supports her. I don't see how an intelligent person could do any better than that, but I'm willing to give it a chance anyway.
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Anyone see footage of him telling the crowd they should be respectful or that Obama was a good man? When he did, the crowd booed ... They don't want him to be a decent man anymore. They want to revel in their negativity. What a bunch of sick fucks.McCain could barely get the words out. I couldn't tell if he didn't believe them or if he was that nervous about the way things are headed. I wonder if it's even possible he said it out of some kind of honorable place. My guess is he thought he had to because of the bad press the ugliness has been getting, or because he realized someone might take a shot at Obama and he'd get blamed for it. Rightfully, to an extent.
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Oct 10, 2008 10:13:51 PM CDT
OPEN LETTER FROM FRANK SCHAEFFER, FORMER MCCAIN CAMPAIGN MANAGER
by bringingsexyback
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bal-op.mccain10oct10,0,7557571.story
McCain's attacks fuel dangerous hatred
By Frank Schaeffer
October 10, 2008
John McCain: If your campaign does not stop equating Sen. Barack Obama with terrorism, questioning his patriotism and portraying Mr. Obama as "not one of us," I accuse you of deliberately feeding the most unhinged elements of our society the red meat of hate, and therefore of potentially instigating violence.
At a Sarah Palin rally, someone called out, "Kill him!" At one of your rallies, someone called out, "Terrorist!" Neither was answered or denounced by you or your running mate, as the crowd laughed and cheered. At your campaign event Wednesday in Bethlehem, Pa., the crowd was seething with hatred for the Democratic nominee - an attitude encouraged in speeches there by you, your running mate, your wife and the local Republican chairman.
Shame!
John McCain: In 2000, as a lifelong Republican, I worked to get you elected instead of George W. Bush. In return, you wrote an endorsement of one of my books about military service. You seemed to be a man who put principle ahead of mere political gain.
You have changed. You have a choice: Go down in history as a decent senator and an honorable military man with many successes, or go down in history as the latest abettor of right-wing extremist hate.
John McCain, you are no fool, and you understand the depths of hatred that surround the issue of race in this country. You also know that, post-9/11, to call someone a friend of a terrorist is a very serious matter. You also know we are a bitterly divided country on many other issues. You know that, sadly, in America, violence is always just a moment away. You know that there are plenty of crazy people out there.
Stop! Think! Your rallies are beginning to look, sound, feel and smell like lynch mobs.
John McCain, you're walking a perilous line. If you do not stand up for all that is good in America and declare that Senator Obama is a patriot, fit for office, and denounce your hate-filled supporters when they scream out "Terrorist" or "Kill him," history will hold you responsible for all that follows.
John McCain and Sarah Palin, you are playing with fire, and you know it. You are unleashing the monster of American hatred and prejudice, to the peril of all of us. You are doing this in wartime. You are doing this as our economy collapses. You are doing this in a country with a history of assassinations.
Change the atmosphere of your campaign. Talk about the issues at hand. Make your case. But stop stirring up the lunatic fringe of haters, or risk suffering the judgment of history and the loathing of the American people - forever.
We will hold you responsible.
Frank Schaeffer is the author of "Crazy for God: How I Grew Up as One of the Elect, Helped Found the Religious Right, and Lived to Take All (or Almost All) of It Back." His e-mail is frankaschaeffer@aol.com.
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We on the Left have a candidate who, every time he speaks, delivers on the promise of giving us hope and optimism. The force of his presence and the content of his words gives me great comfort and pride in my country and fellow citizens ... whereas on the Right, they have a candidate who can only feed them hatred, anger, fear and paranoia.
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That, too, gives me great hope.
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But it was clear to all it was getting out of hand (as your informatve article shows BSB) and keeping that sort of gutter hysteria going for two or three weeks is not only supremely dangerous and irresponible but is never going to claw back the undecideds he needs.
He's just adding rocket fuel to an already half crazed base that thinks all the despicable things Palin and McCain are now so desperatly giving credance to with their reprehensible insinuations and smears about Obama being a terrorist are actually true.
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McCain had to call off his OWN supporters today.I can't believe that fucking idiot has actually put himself in a position where he has to defend Obama. Funniest shit ever.
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Oct 11, 2008 12:01:45 AM CDT
FRANK SCHAEFFER: FOUNDER OF PRO-LIFE MOVEMENT SUPPORTS OBAMA
by bringingsexyback
Just traced this article - written in February - after reading his open letter to McCain. So illuminating and uplifting. This is one worth forwarding. You clueless wingnuts who profess to being pro-life need to read this more than anyone else ...
http://tinyurl.com/2skwmv
Why I'm Pro-life and Pro-Obama
Posted February 7, 2008 | 10:46 PM (EST)
I am an Obama supporter. I am also pro-life. In fact, without my family's involvement in the pro-life movement it would not exist as we know it. Evangelicals weren't politicized until after my late father and evangelical leader Francis Schaeffer, Dr. Koop (Reagan's soon-to-be Surgeon General) and I stirred them up over the issue of abortion in the mid-1970s. Our Whatever Happened to the Human Race? book, movie series and seminars brought the evangelicals into the pro-life movement.
(Dad's political influence persists. Last week one of my father's followers -- Mike Huckabee -- was interviewed by Katie Couric, along with all the other presidential candidates. Couric asked the candidates if they were to be sent to a desert island and could only take one book besides the Bible, what would that that book be? Huckabee answered that he'd take my father's book Whatever Happened To The Human Race?)
Fast forward...
In 2000, we elected a president who claimed he believed God created the earth and who, as president, put car manufacturers and oil company's interests ahead of caring for that creation. We elected a pro-life Republican Congress that did nothing to actually care for pregnant women and babies. And they took their sincere evangelical followers for granted, and played them for suckers.
The so-called evangelical leadership -- Dobson, Robertson et al. also played the pro-life community for suckers. While thousands of men and women in the crisis pregnancy movement gave of themselves to help women and babies, their evangelical "leaders" did little more than cash in on fundraising opportunities and represent themselves as power-brokers to the craven politicians willing to kowtow to them.
Fast forward...
Today when I listen to Obama speak (and to his remarkable wife, Michelle) what I hear is a world view that actually nurtures life. Obama is trying to lead this country to a place where the intrinsic worth of each individual is celebrated. A leader who believes in hope, the future, trying to save our planet and providing a just and good life for everyone is someone who is actually pro-life.
Conversely the "pro-life" ethic of George W. Bush manifested itself in a series of squandered opportunities to call us to our better natures. After 9/11, Bush told most Americans to go shopping while saddling the few who volunteered for military service with endless tours of duty (something I know a little about since my son was a Marine and deployed several times). The Bush doctrine of life was expressed by starting an unnecessary war in Iraq that has killed thousands of Americans and wounded tens of thousands more.
The society that Obama is calling us to sacrifice for is a place wherein life would be valued not just talked about. As he said in his speech delivered on February 6 in New Orleans, "Too often, we lose our sense of common destiny; that understanding that we are all tied together; that when a woman has less than nothing in this country, that makes us all poorer." Obama was talking about the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, but his words also apply to our overall view of ourselves.
Regardless of the official position of the Supreme Court on abortion, a country in which all Americans are offered some sort of dignity and hopeful future would be a place conducive to the kind of optimism each of us must hold in our hearts if we are to welcome children into this world. But if our highest aspiration is to be a consumer with no thought or care for our neighbor, we will remain a culture in which abortion is not only inevitable but logical.
What we need in America is a spiritual rebirth, a turning away from the false value of consumerism and utilitarianism that have trumped every aspect of human life. To implement this vision we need leaders that inspire but to do so they have to be what they say they are. It's not about policy it's about character.
Obama's rivals for the nomination -- the Clintons -- do not inspire. When the Clintons were in the White House they talked about humane values while Bill Clinton betrayed every single person who voted for him by carrying on an unseemly sexual dalliance in the Oval Office with a young woman barely out of her teens. Since that time the Clintons have enriched themselves through their connections to a point where they're able to make a $5 million personal loan to their campaign.
For someone who says she has spent "the last 35 years of my life as an advocate for children" and/or "fighting for healthcare" that's a lot of money to have collected through doing good works. Presidential Mother Teresa wannabes shouldn't be doing deals with uranium mining outfits in Kazakhstan while schmoozing with the likes of President Nursultan Nazarbayev and wealthy mining magnates -- not if they want the moral authority to lead.
Similarly the Republicans have also been hypocrites while talking big, for instance about their pro-life ethic. But what have they achieved? First, through their puritanical war on sex education they've hindered our country from actually preventing unwanted pregnancy. Second, through the Republican Party's marriage to the greediest and most polluting earth-destroying corporations they've created a climate (both moral and physical) that has scorched the earth for-profit, with no regard to future generations whatsoever. The Republicans are to the pro-life movement what the Clintons are to selfless public service.
The real solution to abortion is to change the heart of America, not the law. We need to stop seeing ourselves as consumers. We need to stop seeing ourselves as me and begin to think of we. Our country needs someone to show us a better way, a president who is what he seems, someone with actual moral authority that our diverse population can believe in who has the qualities that make us want to follow him. Obama is that person.
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And Paris Hilton is an actress.
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Seems pretty obvious to me.
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I suppose by that comment you also mean fuck McCain as he is a Racist.See above post: McCain and the "G" Word.I would hate for you to further contradict yourself.
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Thanks for the Schaeffer. I didn't know there was someone like him, like me, out there. That is an encouraging revelation.
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McCain's defense of Obama as a decent man was admirable, and frankly, not an easy thing to do in that environment. He said "Obama is a decent man who I just happen to disagree with on fundamental issues." That's good stuff. More than anything, I want to believe that McCain is also a good man with whom I just disagree with on the fundamental issues. I think he did some work to sway me in that direction last night. McCain will lose this election, but it is quite posible that his legacy will be to stand up and say "No" to negative campaining and character attacks. That would be a coup that will help both parties, it'll help America itself, in 2012. To McCain's ignorant campaign staff and to the power-hungry evangelical and neoconservative wings of the Republican party - you lost yesterday. McCain got to be the real McCain for once, and if felt pretty damn good.
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I agree that it was probably difficult to go against the crowd and say Obama's a good man, etc. Not sure he'll get credit for it here ("he was the one who riled up the crowd in the first place"!), but it looked like a genuine moment for the senator. I hope the negative campaigning drops off now as well, so we can focus on the issues.
You sound pretty certain McCain will lose. The polls certainly look that way, and the Palin ethics ruling isn't going to help either. But I don't think it's in the bag for Obama yet. He should really be blowing McCain out of the water at this point, but for some reason he can't close the deal.
People are pissed at Bush, and Obama's done a good job suggesting McCain will be Bush 2.0, I'll give him that. But when it comes down to it, the majority of Americans are still "center-right" in their politics. I don't think this has changed much since 2000. And the fact that it's going to come down to the same old group of swing states bears this out.
Obama's politics are quite liberal. He is at least as left-wing as Gore or Kerry, despite his feigned movement toward the middle. If McCain focuses on Obama's politics, rather than the Ayers/Rezko/Wright dramas, he may yet have a chance. -
Did last night's mutual stroking session tire you all out?
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I wouldn't even try to defend McCain on the whole "gook" thing. It's unfortunate he's used that word, and I'd like to see him apologize for it publicly. This would neutralize that issue, similar to Obama disowning Rev. Wright.Again, I'd like to put this stuff behind us and get to the real issues and contrasts in the candidates' platforms.
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I appreciate the even handed, civil response! Thanks! Now that said, dude. . . don't be a dick. You talk a great game about being against the name calling, but "last night's mutual stroking session?" C'mon, seriously.
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Well, it would be nice to know where McCain stands on them, then maybe there would be a basis for such a discussion.
More good news this morning - yet another Conservative boards the Obama Express. Bon voyage, Mr. Buckley ...
CNN
October 10, 2008
A Buckley endorses Obama
Posted: 11:08 PM ET
From CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney
Christopher Buckley, son of William F. Buckley, is backing Obama.
(CNN) — No, hell has not frozen over, but a Buckley is backing a Democrat for president.
Christopher Buckley, the son of the late conservative icon William F. Buckley, said Friday he's decided to back Barack Obama's White House bid, the first time in his life he will vote Democrat.
“It’s a good thing my dear old mum and pup [sic] are no longer alive. They’d cut off my allowance," Buckley, a columnist for the conservative National Review, wrote on the Web site The Daily Beast Friday.
Buckley, who praised McCain in a New York Times Op-Ed earlier this year and defended the Arizona senator's conservative credentials against wary talk-radio hosts, said McCain is no longer the “real” and “unconventional” man he once admired.
"This campaign has changed John McCain," Buckley wrote. "It has made him inauthentic. A once-first class temperament has become irascible and snarly; his positions change, and lack coherence; he makes unrealistic promises, such as balancing the federal budget 'by the end of my first term.' Who, really, believes that?
"Then there was the self-dramatizing and feckless suspension of his campaign over the financial crisis," Buckley added. "His ninth-inning attack ads are mean-spirited and pointless. And finally, not to belabor it, there was the Palin nomination. What on earth can he have been thinking?"
But Buckley made clear he's not just voting against McCain, praising Obama for his "first-class temperament and first-class intellect."
"Obama has in him—I think, despite his sometimes airy-fairy 'We are the people we have been waiting for' silly rhetoric—the potential to be a good, perhaps even great leader. He is, it seems clear enough, what the historical moment seems to be calling for," Buckley wrote.
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Yes, reading Schaeffer's letter and article is a reminder that the Center is not so elusive - after all wingnuts have been dispatched to oblivion.
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Term seems kind of vague.
Love how CNN is making this endorsement out to be some kind of major deal. It's not like William Buckley has come out for Obama- now that would be something. His son, not so much. Sounds like he has been leaning Obama for some time.
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But it's interesting you saw it as a "big deal". When you're down by double-digits, every minor glitch must be a big deal, I suppose. The proper term for me is "moonbat". Welcome to the debate.
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Forgot William F. was dead- oops! Wonder how he would feel about his son's comments.
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Well...it's off to work for me.
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What’s more unfortunate is that his campaign has turned for the worse especially when I see a disenfranchised crowd calling his rival candidate “Terrorist” and “Arab” along with shouting “Kill him”. I can imagine “Nigger” would be the next thing to come from those ignorant bastards’ mouths.
McCain tried to do the “noble” thing by defending Obama while scolding those within the rally, but too little too late. Especially with all the mudslinging that has been said. Thunderbolt Ross’ assessment was dead on: Should some dumb ass hick actually follow through with an assassination attempt on Obama, McKKKain will be held responsible as well as the “Stupid Bitch”. (remark courtesy of my faux “Mom” response to BSB’s links. See above.)
Had Johnny been magnanimous throughout the campaign, I would have had more respect for him regardless of his political affiliations; in this case it’s actually the opposite as I have nothing but disdain for the man. Obama, on the other hand has more class as he’s stating the obvious which is McCain/Palin’s comments about Ayers is a ploy used to sidestep the real issue which is the economy.
John is making Barrack’s job all the more easier as the polls are further widening. He should focus more on the issues as opposed to being a dick. "That one" doesn't sound like someone(his opponent) as being a "Decent man whose done good things".
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Just ...wow.
The anger one this site just gets racheted up every day.
The anger heard at that McCain rally is EXACTLY the kind that can be read on this site daily.
Purple faced rage and rightgeous anger.
Not to mention an eerie adoration and almost hypnotic intoxication with Barrack.
Stay calm people. He's just a politician. And a very green one at that.
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By the Alaskan legislature.
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I see very little evidence of either in this TB.Not to mention people are always animals on the internet because they're anonymous and they're chickenshit. These maniacs at the McCain/Palin rallies are ominous because they are doing it in broad daylight.
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From BSB: "We on the Left have a candidate who, every time he speaks, delivers on the promise of giving us hope and optimism. The force of his presence and the content of his words gives me great comfort and pride in my country and fellow citizens ... whereas on the Right, they have a candidate who can only feed them hatred, anger, fear and paranoia.
So sad."
That type of over-emotionalizing and almost cartoonish view of each side makes me shake my head.
If you care for the height of hate speech just visit DailyKos.
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Once again Danny is proven right by pointing out the Republicans new tactic is to say all politicians as slime so you might as well not vote. Well fuck you and your hate-filled racist party. You're fucking done. Tuck tail and crawl back to your hole.
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If Sarah Palin has been proven guilty, she's worth less of a damn than Spanglish. What a SHITTY fucking film that is!
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...with respect, is that Obama/Biden supporters have received no enticement from their candidate to up the level of hate and mistrust. The crap from the left starts at the pundit, the crap from the right starts at the candidate. This is not a subtle difference. I don't recall hearing about any Secret Service investigations to what people are saying at Obama/Biden rallies. (the investigation into Palin's Florida rally turned up no specifics but the damage is done; a percentage of McCain/Palin followers truly believe Obama is an alarming and specific danger to this country..he's a "terrorist", he's "Arab", he's a secret Kenyan terrorist cell of one blah blah blah).Newsweek are assholes for doing their extreme closeup of Palin and maybe it's partisan (wouldn't surprise me)...but it's not telling Obama supporters that McCain or Palin, by inference, is anti-American and a "pal" of terrorists and, again by inference, a danger if he becomes president. After 9-11 and our war on terror, how is even the vaguest suggestion that any American candidate running for PotUS is a terrorist is their absolute height of recklessly dangerous behavior and divisive politics and should have no place at the table of American politics. McCain, 2 days ago, finally came out against this kind of talk and was booed by his own supporters!Before you say it's not a big deal, I invite you to review the history of Yitzhak Rabin, who was assassinated after the extreme right in Israel portrayed him as a 'danger to the country' in very similar manner as to how McCain/Palin has portrayed Obama by inference(until the last couple days from McCain anyway). As well as the shame of McCarthyism and his 'guilt by association' witch hunt of the late 60's.It is simply the realm of the unthinking reactionary and it is not patriotic nor truly representative of the historical GOP. All I can say is that if some depraved nutcase does the unthinkable, your party is done. It will live with the scar of whipping up this small-minded, hossstile paranoid rage, whether it's true or not. It would be the death of the GOP and believe it or not, I think that would truly be a sad thing.
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I find great people inspiring. That's why humanity celebrates heroes.
I'm sorry you don't find McCain and Palin inspiring. Believe me, I understand. But that's your own fault for viewing Obama through a prejudiced (politically or otherwise) lens.
I know it's tough when you feel left out, dejected and hopeless, but don't crash our party over it.
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Well, that denial might mean something if she had testified under oath. Since she refused to do so, it's obvious she's a liar. No credibility.
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I think you might find this take on the Newsweek cover brouhaha interesting:
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Inspiration has no political affiliation. I also called Frank Schaeffer's article, which I posted above, "uplifting".
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Remember when Obama referenced the "shining city on a hill" in the first debate? He was quoting Ronald Regan. The "city on a hill" was a symbol of why America should be a beacon of hope and freedom that the rest of the would could emultate - the very notes of this, Regan's speaking ability, changed policy, it changed perspectives both domestically and internationally. It was an important part of who Regan was as a president (The "Great Communicator"). Using your oratory skill to inspire is a presidential trait, and a damn important one. 8 years of Bush Jr. has made you forget what a great president can do with oratory. Being vocally inspiring is not a liability, it's a strength.
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You've been buzzed out. Any reference to "Daily Kos," "Media Matters," "George Soros," or any other "far-left enemy" jargon you've been getting from the O'Reilly "two-minute's hate" over the last ten years is an automatic disqualification of credibility. I'm sorry if you're afraid of public forums that you disagree with. . . but maybe you and O'Reilly should just be a little braver.
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Troopergate is much ado about nothing. Palin broke no law and is not even going to be fined, much less impeached. State troopers at at will employees who can be fired by the governor for any reason that does not violate the employee's civil rights. the trooper in question has a record of disciplinary problems and a history of domestic violence. She canned him. End of story.
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I have to agree 100%, and frankly, I've never thought she or her family did anything wrong. Even if it was illegal by some strange technicality, I find nothing unusual or immoral about it. Wooten was an asshole, from what I've read, and if she crossed some imaginary line, I think it may be warranted. IMO, this whole story does nothing but distract the nation from her utter incompetence to serve as U.S. President. THAT should be the real story, if the MSM (CNN, FOXNEWS, MSNBC) had any balls.
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seriously, i may be a cynic, but all Politicians are corrupt, why else would they spend the time and MONEY to get the job that pays so little ????
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"All I can say is that if some depraved nutcase does the unthinkable, your party is done." First of all it's not "my party". Secondly, no political party will be 'taken down' if some lone fucktard does something crazy. You can't make concrete connections to crazy peoples motivations .
"It will live with the scar of whipping up this small-minded, hossstile paranoid rage". That already exists and has existed before. it's not 'created' by any one.
Don't infer that all is 'sweetness and light' with the democratic party. The pure hatred for Palin is on display...for her religious beliefs, pro life stance and *gasp* she fired people. The reason people got angry at that rally is because they want McCain to draw attention to (which I don't think he will) to Obama's relationship with Ayers. A relationship which would prevent Obama from even getting a periphery job with the FBI if he applied.
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I watched part of her sketch. Can someone explain to me where the humour is? Not that she wasn't doing a good impression, but it seems she forgot to throw in anything other than 'Oh yeah, I'm Sarah Palin.'
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Because McCain is a reasonable man. He may not be running a reasonable campaign, but I believe he's going to draw the line somewhere, and a ridiculous association between Ayres and Obama is not reasonable. Sorry.
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"I find great people inspiring." So do I. I just don't throw the word around as loosely as you do. What one achievement can you tell me of Obama's that constitutes his greatness? i'm willing to listen.
"I'm sorry you don't find McCain and Palin inspiring. Believe me, I understand. But that's your own fault for viewing Obama through a prejudiced (politically or otherwise) lens. Nice inference of racism dude. Very charateristic of the angry left..."Don't agree with my opinion?...you must be an intolerant racist. End of discussion". Fine. And I don't particularly find McCain/Palin inspiring. Just more sane policy ideas. See, I try to leave 'emotion' out of it. I'm able to see that I like Obama as a speaker MUCH more than McCain (who has great shortcomings in this area) yet do not let something as 'cosmetic' as that sway me.
"I know it's tough when you feel left out, dejected and hopeless, but don't crash our party over it." Now your projecting. If Obama wins, fine. Nobody died or got hurt. It's just politics. I will go on with my life (albeit taxed more). If McCain wins I'm sure you and many like you will let it crush your very existence and declare the start of a brutal facist reign overseen by an ironfisted theocracy. Again, high emotion and hysteria aren't my bag. My life and happiness doesn't hinge on the level of government involvement in it.
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Excellent point actually. And there are other paralells too...Reagan was coming in on the heels of an abysmal Carter administration and swung the pendulam the other way. The country rebounded. Obama is coming in on the heels of the Bush years with an equal plan of swinging the pendulam the opposite way idealogically.
Hard America/Soft America. Ebb and flow. Too far in either direction is no godd. It's in constant flux. My problem with Obama that no one really seems to be scrutinizing is that he wants to swing that baby farther than it's ever been. The ultimate Mommy state government involvement. The classic "We Know Better" elitist concept. -
Oh my, people at a political rally are expressing dislike towards our anointed savior Barak... These are the same idiots who've spend the last eight years in a state of constant rage, where everything from America's single worst natural disaster to it's single worst terrorist attack are the sole fault of their Goldsteinian idiot-devil nemesis. If these frothing political fundamentalists manage to get both the presidency and the house you can look forward to European/Canadian-style gelding of allowable political speech and thought. Good luck getting those rights back when when buyers remorse sets in.
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I don't think that quote you used was eerie nor intoxicated sounding. Believe me, I have heard and read and argued with people who go nutso for Obama and I find it irritating at best, but BSB's words sound like those of someone who's been inspired. By the measure you seem to be using, you leave little to no room for enthusiasm, which is unrealistic and, I think, stingy.
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Ok, allow me to elaborate. I say "your party" in reference to your support for McCain/Palin, who are obviously identified with a party, and no other reasons. By your support, I presume you are voting for them, hence "your party". I mean nothing else directly or indirectly.You are right that you cannot reasonably make absolute connections with the actions of lunatics but I believe that there would be a consensus that the inferential rhetoric of Palin, in particular, would be looked down upon and played up as being directly responsible from the hyper-left punditry. Read up on Rabin after his assassination and see how the country reacted; to think that something similar would happen here in reaction to said nutcase's actions is not outside the realm of possibility.You are right in that 'hostile paranoid rage' has always existed; which is precisely why I think that kind of rhetoric is both foolish and careless. It does not take much to rally the mob; they're always eager for retribution, always looking for someone to hate (either side of any argument). I think it would be horribly bad for Republicans if something terrible happened because of the actions of one zealous jackass. I don't relish the damage this would cause the Repubs whatsoever; on the contrary, we need balance if we're only to have 2 parties and too much of one or the other can lead us astray (as I think we're seeing now).I agree with a variety of conservative principles but I wouldn't know which ones McCain/Palin support by their latest round of talk. Telling me Obama is a 'pal' of terrorists does not tell me how you are going to fix any one of the myriad of troubles we are facing. I feel that McCain would be in a tremendously different position today if instead of having Palin talk about 'palling around with terrorists' he'd actually bring up his plans and policies. I've read about them, none of them are invalid and all of them deserved to be heard.Half the reason I wouldn't vote Repub now isn't because I disagree with all of the historical policies but that I strongly disagree with those to whom the party is primarily appealing to and the lack of coherent policy in any form of conceptual delivery. This is, of course, solely my opinion.I also did not nor have I ever ignored the crap coming from the left. In fact, my post to you was to point out that the difference is the stirring of hate from the left comes from the pundits (and certain Hollywood actors) but lately, the stirring of hate from the right comes from the candidates themselves. Hate is a given; the candidates themselves stirring it is not and is, in my view, a shameful tactic.You, I, and many others might see eye to eye on a variety of both conservative and progressive policies but when all one party can say is their opponent is a danger to America, then I must infer logically that that party has either no policy or has abandoned it to work purely from the realm of fear.The problem with that is there is lots of fear to go around lately and people who are afraid tend not to think rationally. Irrational people can do stupid and terrible things. If the inference about Obama causes something horrible, the stupidity that resorts would be the death-knell to the Republican party in its current form in the eyes of many.You are, of course, welcome to disagree.
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Darth_Inedible, either you haven't seen any footage or you are incredibly disingenuous, or you are just thick. Cause the people I heard and saw haven't been merely "expressing dislike" ... I'm sure that's a common thing in the history of political rallies - expressing dislike of the opponent. This is different - why the fuck would people be taking notice? Obviously this negativity is of a different stripe.
And please don't call "conspiracy".BTW If someone takes a shot at Obama between now and the election you can bet your ass McCain will be covering his bases post haste. YES there are hateful loonies out there with or with out McCain and Palin stirring them up. But if you don't see how they might be chumming the waters with their rhetoric and message of late, you're kidding yourself. -
Wow they sure are interested in voter fraud all of a sudden. They set up an email address so people can report voter fraud if they think they see it. How can anyone call this network anything but a Republican Party mouthpiece is beyond me.
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..is that they had a controversial measure to pay homeless people in food to get people to register to vote. This is a controversial practice because many of those looking for meals would create false registrations through a variety of means. None of them would likely actually be counted as some of the names were "Idfkj Diojdfund" and other meaningless or famous names. I'm not sure if they still do it or not but yes it is a careless thing to do but hardly as severe as it is being made out. As I understand it, it is not fraud by intent but by accident. Now, perhaps you know more than I do and I'd be interested to hear but as I understand it, this is the big thing with them and Obama's association is fodder for the news.Coincidentally, this is absolutely ripe for a topic, perhaps not 24-7 coverage, but certainly valid, if not critical, item for discussion. Just like the news yesterday about Palin being accused of Abuse of Power by the Alaskan SC is also fodder for the conversation.Inferring that this or that candidate is dangerous for America is absolutely a dangerous and stupid thing. The examples in history of assassination due to stirring this kind of hate are not unique.
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Oct 11, 2008 4:28:02 PM CDT
IMF warns world is on the "brink of systemic financial meltdown"
by g100
Sorry to tear the idiots away from their fantasy world where they think Ayers is actually important and not a pathetic smear but in the REAL World things are going from bad to worse.
The world financial system is teetering on the "brink of systemic meltdown", the head of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) has warned in Washington.
What part of that statement do poeple find difficult to comprehend ? But by all means keep talking about trivia because like it or not Big Government is here to stay with this Cataclysmic failure of the Free Market. Or do you think the "all powerfull" invisible hand of the Markets has been much in evidence lately ? Hmmmmmm ?
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You are doing very well here. Keep layin' it down.
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The Ayers stuff is a complete waste of time. The story has been around since the Democratic Primary, and nobody really gives a shit about it.
The IMF story is certainly alarming. Personally, I feel somewhat helpless when I read stories like this. My sense is that we haven't reached the bottom on the economic situation yet, at least in the world market. Guess I have to have faith that the bail-out will eventually help turn things around.
That being said, I feel we haven't really seen a clear picture of the candidates' platforms as yet (at least in the debates, rallies or ads). Here's hoping the media do their job and start laying out the candidates differences in policy so voters have a clear picture of what they will be getting in January. -
the media suck, but the responsibility to get the message out belongs mostly to the candidates. Why doesn't Palin go on meet the press and lay it out for us?
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Obama does give great oratory, and you saved me the trouble of explaining myself to DocWho - which I really don't feel an inkling of obligation to anyway.
As Liberal as I am, I never go to DailyKOS. Not my cup of tea. funny that DocWho does though. Pretty masochistic if you ask me.
Inedible, spare us the overly-dramatic paranoia. Should Obama ever designate you an enemy combatant, strip you of your rights, deny you habeas corpus and send you to Gitmo or Syria to be tortured, I'd be first on the talkbacks to give you my support. -
I'm pro-choice, but this is a relevant topic of discussion in this election. At least it's an Ayers story or some other personal attack. I'm liking the change in tactics. Get the candidates positions out there for the voters. The truth shall set you free.
From the AP today:
...Palin said it was about time that Obama was "called" on his abortion views.
"Please, it is not negative and it's not mean-spirited to talk about his record," she said.
In the Illinois Senate, Obama opposed legislative efforts in 2001, 2002 and 2003 to give legal protections to any aborted fetus that showed signs of life. The 2003 measure was virtually identical to a bill President Bush signed into law in 2002 that unanimously passed the U.S. Senate.
Obama and others who opposed the Illinois bill said the state already had a law to protect aborted fetuses born alive and considered able to survive. They contended that the proposed legislation would have undermined abortion rights in ways that the federal law would not.
Palin called Obama's ideas and votes on abortion "radical."
"In short, Sen. Obama is a politician who has long since left behind even the middle ground on the issue of life. He's fighting with those who won't protect a child born alive," she said.
"A vote for Barack Obama is a vote for activist courts that will continue to smother the open and democratic debate that we deserve and that we need on this issue of life — that's OK, that debate — at both the state and federal level," she said.
Palin did not raise, as she has recently, Obama's ties to William Ayers, a Vietnam-era militant who helped found the violent Weather Underground. A week ago, she told supporters that Obama was "palling around with terrorists," touching off arguments over whether Obama's work with Ayers, now a college professor, on nonprofit projects several years ago was pertinent to today's campaign.
Although audiences at Palin and McCain events had been getting angrier as the GOP campaign's attacks on Obama became sharper and more personal, the Johnstown crowd was largely in check. It booed Obama several times, including when Palin referred to his comments about rural people clinging to guns and religion.
"We prefer candidates who don't talk about us one way in Johnstown then another way in San Francisco," she said.
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I expect she'll make some gaffes, but the more she does it the better she'll get. Presenting well on T.V. is a skill which can be learned like any other. Obama and Biden have a big head start on her with this skill-set. She and her handlers need to risk making some mistakes if they're going to get the message out.
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If I were a chick.
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Witness, not only Warren Buffet, but Nouriel Roubini professor of economics at New York University. He is also the chairman of RGE Monitor, an economic and financial analysis firm.
If people want to get educated on the salient, important and crucial details of this whole clusterfuck then go to his superb site
http://www.rgemonitor.com/
In particular his recent update **"The world is at severe risk of a global systemic financial meltdown and a severe global depression"** which has SOLUTIONS. It gives detailed steps to avoid a Global Depression AND proves he knows exactly what he is talking about with his prediction of Fridays Market Freefall.
Barack is already ahead of the game with Warren Buffet on board but Roubini should also be put in a position to do some good perhaps even right now in the SEC or the FED as, in complete contrast to Bush, Paulson and Bernanke he saw all this coming tried to warn about it and clearly knows what he is talking about.
The Campaign that gets this guy on board will be well armed in the next Presidency to tackle the incredible problems and hardships that are now here and have smashed Politics into one unprecedented subject. An all consuming fight to avoid a Great Depression. -
McCain Letter Demanded 2006 Action on Fannie and Freddie
by Human Events
10/10/2008
Sen. John McCain's 2006 demand for regulatory action on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac could have prevented current financial crisis, as HUMAN EVENTS learned from the letter shown in full text below.
McCain's letter -- signed by nineteen other senators -- said that it was "...vitally important that Congress take the necessary steps to ensure that [Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac]...operate in a safe and sound manner.[and]..More importantly, Congress must ensure that the American taxpayer is protected in the event that either...should fail."
Sen. Obama did not sign the letter, nor did any other Democrat.
Full letter here: http://tinyurl.com/3tscn6
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Maybe when the Dow hits 5,000? Is AICN public? I wanna buy some shares of Harry.
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This Week could use a does of sexy.
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of the Pro-Life movement, he's good enough for me. Palin? She's in bed with secessionist militia. Who the hell is she to be talking? Whoops I said the S word!
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FFS MUST I REALLY repost all the PROOF that this IS NOT down to just Fannie and Freddie or some fruity right wing blogger conspiracy about the CRA ???
Go to the RGE Monitor site READ that update. Get EDUCATED on the UNPRECEDENTED SCALE of this thing. The Shadow Economy, CREDIT DEFAULT SWAPS and the Toxic securities. The Bailout was for Wall Street. Fannie and FReddie were simply an early (but certainly not the only) Domino.
IT IS NOT AND NEVER WAS JUST A HOUSING BUBBLE.
Jeeeeeus Christ look around you ? Bubbles burst they do NOT EXPLODE like a Nuclear BOMB. Warren Buffet named the Toxic Securities FINANCIAL WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION! He was correct.
The G7 and the IMF are now scrambling to enact GLOBAL Policies because (and this may be some small comfort but I doubt it) Most of the Western World was pushing irresponsible loans, mortgages and ludicrous credit while dealing in these Toxic Secirities not just America.
The sooner people get on board with the true SCALE of this thing the better prepared we will all be to DEAL with it. Wall Street and the rest of the Financial centres of the World are now looking desperately to western Govrnments to prevent a Global Depression. That is what the Markets are praying for now.
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Debit cards along with a strict budget is the only way to go.
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I know the problem obviously extends beyond the Freddie/Fannie situation. That was certainly one big piece of the meltdown picture in the U.S., and I think it's worth pointing out that THAT problem had been identified previously (by McCain).
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I truly wish I didn't have to. But this going to completely subsume the next Presidency WHOEVER gets it.
Yes Iraq and Afghanistan can never be forgotten but they are ALSO problems that would tax the Wisdom of Solomon and are inextricably tied to the Economy.
Whoever gets in will have no time to do anything other than damage control for most of their term. If they are mostly succesfull and turn things back from the Abyss they will get a second term to keep things recovering. If they cannot someone else will probably have the same problems.
The chances of a V shaped quick 6 month Recession have now evaporated. Keeping a Recession down to 2 years will be a Herculean task. I just hope whoever gets in is up to the job. -
Oct 11, 2008 5:45:35 PM CDT
NOW WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO START A LOAN SHARK BUSINESS
by bringingsexyback
There's always a silver lining.
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I shall seek that one out on the internets. And I recommend the Nouriel Roubini site to everyone.
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Your comment on voter fraud is either disingenuous or thickheaded, in regard to my post AND Fox News' sudden and active interest in preventing voter fraud. I really hope it's the latter because if it's the former you are somehow wasting my time at a level beyond that which is inherent to TB participation.
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It's funny that she's lowered the bar for civil discourse so much in the last week that accusing Obama of killing BABIES seems reasonable by comparison.
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You shouldn't put so much stock in that dude. While his "socializing the risk, while privatizing the profit" rants are dead on... many prominent economists have been calling this bullshit for up to a decade. Why do you think ridiculously large Golden Parachutes have been so prevalent among the Wall Street CEO contracts? They were bribing guys to throw their reputations on the line to build confidence among shareholders, ie volunteering to be captain of the Titantic... No one wants to be the head honcho of a financial entity offsetting CDS liabilities with CDO assets when they all knew the housing bubble would pop in the immediate future.
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Maybe there have been plenty of other Economists warning about this but they have been strangely quiet if they have.
Roubini has been a prominent critic of mainstream Ecomomics, Economists and the predictive power of some of the models they use. So I can certainly see why he pisses alot of people off and was labelled DR. DOOM so dismissively (by Economists in particular)
But if this catastrophe has proved anything it's that mainstream Economists and "business as usual" Economics simply didn't work and has stood impotently on the sidelines as the World crashed around them.
I defy ANYONE to read this New York Times article and tell me shouldn't be listened to.
http://tinyurl.com/4slytz
And the fact of the matter is he IS being listened to by some important people if not enough of them.(yet)
As for the Golden Parachutes, well you are dangerously close to suggesting that there is some kind of Super Conspiracy among every major financial institution to let the Economy smash to pieces while walking away with the loot.
I'm not QUITE that cynical myself Stevie. They took Golden Parachutes and incredible Bonuses because they could and profits were soaring.
I don't myself buy that many of them knew this was coming and ejected with the cash. Most of them were caught asleep at the wheel and simply had no idea what was going on. At best some sensed a Housing Bubble might burst and have some Economically bad consequences. But I seriously doubt many if any of them knew what was REALLY coming and on the scale of what has occured. Roubini did.
Certainly as the dominos started to tumble a few would have realised they were standing in a house of cards but by then the damage was done and the cancer was widespread.
CEO's are not Superhuman but nor if they knew what was coming would they sit idly by as their Corporations and the Economy headed over the cliff.
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Nothing disigenuous at all about my post. Read what you said again, please. Your post was complaining that Fox was somehow right wing because they set up an email to report voter fraud. The practice of voter fraud is clearly a problem in both parties. So either, a) you did not understand my post, b) you think only Republicans watch fox so only they would know about the email to report voter fraud, c) you think Republicans are the only ones commiting voter fraud, d) you think Democrats never commit fraud, or d) I'm missing your point
I firmly believe in reducing voter fraud, regardless of who is commiting it or for which party. So who cares if fox puts up an email address for people to report it? How is that in any way partisan, as your op suggested. Sounds like foxnews had a good idea to me- sorry if you don't agree.
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Someone call the internet cops!
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The Campaign has an extra bonus check for you in honor of your good fight here on AICN. You can pick it up anytime.
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The problem is that when it was Republicans using vote fraud in 2000 and 2004, Fox were at the front of the Wall of Bullshit - "Voter Fraud?! In AMERICA?!IMPOSSIBLE!!! DIRTY POLITICS BY THE LIBERALS, DIRTY POLITICS BY THE LIBERALS!!!"
These days, of course, when they get to play the innocent victim, they're all over the story like stink on shit...and I think you goddamn well know that.
Are you going to sit there and SERIOUSLY try to tell me that if Fox was flooded with reports of GOP voter fraud in the next few weeks that they wouldn't downplay or flat-out ignore those complaints? I know you're too smart to be that gullible, so don't insult both of us... -
Have you forgotten that Palin already HAS a background in TV performance - the Sports Anchor thing?
Shit, she SHOULD be more comfortable on-air than any of the other candidates - but she still shies away from any scenario where she can't use stunts and tricks to drown out her opposition...interesting. -
My last post was a statement and a test. You are still clearly a partisan, socialist/Democrat hack, and a joyful one at that. He hasn't been correct all of the time, specifically because he has a long history of being wrong. Basically he's the Jim Cramer of economic forecasts; he's right half of the time. I'm not assuming that someone who sees a "super conspiracy" in boards of directors hiring executives with good reputations to bolster confidence among investors as being anywhere near rational. The fact that you haven't acknowledged unemployment and well-fare benefits being federally mandated legitimate sources of income in lenders' considerations of mortgages says a lot. This isn't a failure of the free market: this is a direct result of encouraging "home ownership among groups that have been historically deprived" of said benefit (ie, Feds mandating loans be made to people who banks, otherwise, would never give loans to). Plus, add legislation that allows speculators to go crazy via the derivative markets (SPECULATORS, why the fuck should they be bailed out?). Fanny, Freddy, Ginny should be dissolved, and Wall Street needs to take the hits to not only avoid the Ayn Rand Socialist nightmare Roubini has correctly warned against, but prevent the market diving head first into FED led insanity.
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but you are the same G100 that supported the ban on shorting citing the "predatory" shorters that magical Friday... when everyone with half a brain knew that shit would inject volatility in a market suffering a shortage of confidence (via cascading speculative bubbles). Also, anyone with half a brain would realize the point of that ban was to attempt to freeze the value of those CDO's roughly close to real equity, not the off-load as fast as fucking possible price they are around, and land those institutions tax-payer money backed prices.
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For pete's sake, dude, I already covered the time-wasting irony. "you are somehow wasting my time at a level beyond that which is inherent to TB participation." That means I realize this is a big waste of time, get it? Sheesh.As for the Fox thing, let me spell it out for you once more: Fox News is suddenly interested in voter fraud - with no precedent - only because the current "controversy" centers around a Democrat-leaning organization, and because the Republicans are behind in the polls. Every election there are various issues of this type, but Fox News becomes active only when the Republican Party is is threatened (which it's not, by the way).So yeah that's right - Fox is "somehow" right wing. All other issues aside, trying to defend Fox as a bastion of unbiased reporting is doing you no favors. Everyone knows where they're coming from. If you really insist on this point of view, then I don't know what to say. It's ridiculous and I won't argue it any further.This is regardless of preventing voter fraud. Your writing as if I somehow object to its prevention is a complete straw man argument; I never said anything of the sort. I'm talking about Fox's Republican bias and incredibly obvious opportunism. Also , I don't really care that they're doing it, it's just another example of their ridiculousness. If this baseball game would end, I might actually stop writing ...
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As I've mentioned there's been no actually voter fraud, just fraudulent registration. As long as the voting board does its job, it's nothing more than an inconvenience. If you can't figure out to only give one vote to someone no matter how many times they fill out a form, or figure out how NOT to let- Ben Dover from Hershey Highway (phone number 666 666 6666) to have a vote, then I think you're in the wrong line of work.
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Sadly, FoxNews is the least biased news source. There have been an ongoing parade of political science studies that have shown the airtime given to issues regarding which party was actually pushing them in Congress... show FoxNews is actually the least biased. I never watch FoxNews (a direct result from having watched it every now and then), but I do read academic journals... and somehow, Fox is literally far less biased than any other news channel via the prism of covering timely, partisan congressional issues. I was bewildered to upon reading the papers, they are all about coverage of topics regarding legislatives initiatives, not whether partisan talking heads are partisan or not.
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And you and me both on the election battle getting old. Ironically, a large number of folks haven't even started paying attention and won't until the last week or so before the vote. Regarding Fox and voter fraud: there is certainly some hypocrisy at FNC, I'll give you that. But they're not the only news organization guilty of double standards, I assure you. Regardless, I imagine you, like me, want the 'cleanest' election possible- where all votes are counted accurately, etc. The system will never be perfect, but when there's such an obvious violation, such as the ACORN incidents, I'm all for reporters running that shit into the ground. ACORN looks absolutely flagrant in their malpractice, and regardless of party, I think any American should be outraged. And, yes, I would absolutely say the same thing if the shoe were on the other foot. Avoiding obvious fraud will decrease the chances of a 2000-style legal battle, which I'm sure we'd all like to avoid.
BTW: Still waiting for Obama to decry this ACORN garbage. Why would it be so difficult for him to make a statement about it? It would be a PR boon for him, so I just don't get it.
God, I hope this next week has some substantive discussion of the issues. And I hope Wednesday's debate is actually a debate, rather than a 90-minute exchange of tired talking-points. We'll see. Maybe the level of emotion this year is getting in the way of rational debate? I don't know. But it's really unfortunate for the country, as no candidate will come through unscathed (in fact, they are likely to have been partially dismembered and in need of a transfusion). -
Oct 12, 2008 12:56:38 AM CDT
"This isn't a failure of the free market" Oh it's a SUCCESS is i
by g100
Laughable. But not quite as laughable as this "You are still clearly a partisan, socialist/Democrat hack". Yes, clearly because I'm talking about the Economy I'm a hack. Perhaps you should get a job on FOX News Stevie ? They hate talking about the Economy too and frequently try to blame all this on the "historically deprived homeowners".(and we ALL know what THAT is code for but at least have the balls to say it like FOX do.
And I'm a hack because I recommended an Economist who foresaw almost every aspect of this ? Or did you even BOTHER to read the New York Times Article ?
Tell you what I'll post the pertinent bits and let OTHERS judge AS A TEST if this guy is "right half of the time" or whther he was accurate ?
On Sept. 7, 2006, Nouriel Roubini, an economics professor at New York University, stood before an audience of economists at the International Monetary Fund and announced that a crisis was brewing. In the coming months and years, he warned, the United States was likely to face a once-in-a-lifetime housing bust, an oil shock, sharply declining consumer confidence and, ultimately, a deep recession. He laid out a bleak sequence of events: homeowners defaulting on mortgages, trillions of dollars of mortgage-backed securities unraveling worldwide and the global financial system shuddering to a halt. These developments, he went on, could cripple or destroy hedge funds, investment banks and other major financial institutions like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
Well I'm no fucking Economist Stevie but that seems pretty fucking ACCURATE from where I'm sitting ?
But here's where you go WAAAAY of the reservation. "This is a direct result of encouraging "home ownership among groups that have been historically deprived" of said benefit (ie, Feds mandating loans be made to people who banks, otherwise, would never give loans to).
HORSESHIT. It's a CREDIT CRUNCH. And it's GLOBAL. Fanny and Freddy were eclipsed LONG ago. EVen rescuing the Banks has been overtaken by events and now the all the Market wants to hear is exactly HOW the Western GOVERNMENTS are going to help them out of this hole (like good free marketeers) and avoid a GLOBAL DEPRESSION.
Tell you what would you like me to REPOST some of the stuff that disproves this Ludicrous theory of the pooor ickle Banks being FORCED to make INCREDIBLE profits off the back of their grossly irresponsible loans and Mortgages ? Or do you still have enough sense to realise that no-one FORCED the Banks to do ANYTHING of the sort ?
Perhaps youthink everythings hunky-dory and the Dow will Rally by a few hundred points when it re-opens and that will be that ?
Wishfull thinking. The RECESSION is HERE. Almost EVERYONE accepts that now. It is the LENGTH and DEPTH of it that is now at stake. And why don't you tell the IMF how this was all down to Fannie and Freddie and some FORCED loans to "historically deprived groups" ? They'd laugh you out of the fucking room.
It's no longer about shareholders or those watching their 401k's dissolve before their eyes. It's about having a Banking sytem the WORKS again and geting out of a DEEP Recession.
If you think this would be better if the Government stepped aside and let the Market and Banking System completely collapse then I hope you have some form of Barter System worked out to help you out when the Cash Macjines stop working.
Nobody is saying Bail the Speculators out. Those CREDIT DEFAULT SWAPS are EVERYWHERE now, and in the next couple of weeks as more of them are triggered they ARE going to take out some Banks and perhaps even Corporations.
And get you facts correct I'M not the one who somehow thinks there is a conpiracy that CEO's were "volunteering to be captain of the Titantic". YOU are. Where is your proof any of these CEO's knew all this was about to happen ? In fact where is your proof "many prominent economists have been calling this bullshit for up to a decade" Because you neglected to post it.
But if you think knowing a Housing Market is cyclical is Nastradaman like powers then well fucking done I'm sure there's hundreds of Economists who have said as much.
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It's true. Fucking old man racist. It's funny that I flipped a coin to register as Repub, but will be voting Dem.
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As does anyone sane. But like a good little partisan you foolishly think that posting links to an Economist who saw this coming and has SOLUTIONS is somehow "You are still clearly a partisan, socialist/Democrat hack, and a joyful one at that."
You are full of shit Stevie NOBODY wants a deep recession. Not ME, not the voters, not the grossly incompetent Paulson or Bernanke and certainly not McCain, Obama, the Republicans or the Democrats.
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Economists View : April 18 2008
Ezra Klien and Robert Gordon
Yet Again, It Wasn't the Community Reinvestment Act
E.K. As Robert Gordon shows, however, this is crap. First, there's the timing. CRA came in 1977. The crisis came in 2007. Indeed, by 2004, the Bush administration had weakened the CRA -- and after that (though not, presumably, because of it), bubble lending really took off. Further, CRA only governs a certain class of federally insured banks. Problem is, half of the subprime loans came from mortgage companies with no CRA involvement at all. Another 25%-30% came from companies with very little CRA exposure. For those who left their abacus at home, that's 80% of the loans which were fully or largely outside CRA jurisdiction. More than that, the non-CRA mortgage firms made subprime loans at twice the rate of CRA-covered firms. Which basically leaves a stake in the heart of this particular theory. Indeed, until now, some conservatives have been moaning that no one is talking about the CRA part because it's so racially charged. Poppycock. It's just a false charge.
R.G. In the mid-1990s, new CRA regulations and a wave of mergers led to a flurry of CRA activity, but, as noted by the New America Foundation's Ellen Seidman (and by Harvard's Joint Center), that activity "largely came to an end by 2001." In late 2004, the Bush administration announced plans to sharply weaken CRA regulations, pulling small and mid-sized banks out from under the law's toughest standards. Yet sub-prime lending continued, and even intensified -- at the very time when activity under CRA had slowed and the law had weakened.articlehttp://tinyurl .com/65fqsx
And tell me how letting the Market sort this out will improve the interbank lending that has ground to a complete halt ? Sure the ATM Machines not working is an extreme case but even Paulson has admitted more Giants will fall before this is over.
If you have been paying attention we have been lurching from extreme case to extreme case for weeks. Most folks money will be relatively safe with the Government and FED backed guarantees but business needs the Banks to start working again for Payroll and Inventories. The Market ISN'T going to sort that out with an invisible hand. -
Yet I DID at least see the writing on the wall waaaayyyy back on August the 5th.
CDS Credit Default Swaps. Remember the name
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CDS Credit Default Swaps. Remember the name
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Think the Economy can't get any worse ?
The Banks are currently terrified that all the C.D.S. currently in play and looking shaky will make Fannie Mae and Feddie Mac look like a mom and pop bail out.
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But no doubt with your deeper knowledge of the Economy you too predicted this and can show me as much ?
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Poor Bastards.
It's horrifying to see them struggle so manfully under the direct result of encouraging "home ownership among groups that have been historically deprived" of said benefit (ie, Feds mandating loans be made to people who banks, otherwise, would never give loans to).
Alternatively of course if the sub prime loans and "ninja" debts were such bad news for the Banks and others or they were somehow all "FORCED" and mandated to make them, then why did they keep issuing them again and again and again ?
We KNOW why. They were making the Banks and those who used them in pig in a poke financial "products" (CLO's & CDO's) unbelievable amounts of cash in the boom times and the fact that they were a huge gamble mattered little to these brave free marketeering folk.
Though at least you acknowledge the SPECULATORS were clearly at fault as was the pitiful lack of REGULATION and grossly irresponsible DEREGULATION "that allows speculators to go crazy via the derivative markets".
But please tell us how this isn't a failure of the Free Markets as blaming it all on mandated loans and deregulation (I'm presuming you of course acknowledge the obvious incompetence and Greed on Wall Street) still doesn't cover what happened AFTER the shit hit the fan and the Free Market came begging to the Government to help them out ? What on earth is Free Market about that if I may ask ? And why isn't it a failure ?
But then I'm not assuming that someone who thinks FoxNews is the least biased news source as being anywhere near rational. However you try and reframe the bias question it's a farcical statement. Common sense tells you all you need to know about that. But by all means please post all these scientific studies you speak of that prove such a amazing sweeping statement and generalization wrong. -
I could use that check. Economy is sinking faster than an Alaskan glacier.
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http://culture11.com/blogs/theconfabulum/2008/10/02/foreclosure-alley/
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Oct 12, 2008 10:04:30 AM CDT
ALASKAN MALLRATS ARE MORE POLITICALLY ASTUTE THAN WINGNUTS
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Not surprisingly ...
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Oct 12, 2008 10:16:00 AM CDT
POLITICAL SCIENCE STUDIES ARE IN THE TANK FOR FOX NEWS
by bringingsexyback
Simple as that.
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Oct 12, 2008 10:21:04 AM CDT
POWERFUL. TED KOPPEL JUST PLAYED A CLIP OF JAMES TIGER KNOWLES
by bringingsexyback
on audio, supporting Barack Obama. Knowles is a former Klansman. Can't wait to find the Youtube on this later.
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Oct 12, 2008 10:26:05 AM CDT
VIDEO: CHRISSM SEEN HOLDING MONKEY DOLL WITH OBAMA STICKER
by bringingsexyback
When he realized camera was on him he took the sticker off and passed the racist doll on to a child. Nice going, Chrissm. Maybe you can learn a lesson from former Klansman James Knowles.
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Wall Street Bonuses Hit Record $39 Billion for 2007 (Update3)
By Christine Harper
Jan. 17 (Bloomberg) -- Wall Street's five biggest firms are paying a record $39 billion in bonuses for 2007, a year when three of the companies suffered the worst quarterly losses in their history and shareholders lost more than $80 billion.
Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Morgan Stanley, Merrill Lynch & Co., Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. and Bear Stearns Cos. together awarded $65.6 billion in compensation and benefits last year to their 186,000 employees. That means year-end bonuses, at 60 percent of the total, exceeded the $36 billion distributed in 2006 when the industry reported all-time high profits.
The New York-based firms, which shed 25 percent of their equity value during 2007, have said they're eliminating at least 6,200 jobs amid mounting losses from the collapse of the subprime mortgage market. The payouts come as the U.S. economy slows, with unemployment rising, retail sales declining and new home foreclosures surging to a record.
``To many people, it will be shocking and questionable,'' said Jeanne Branthover, managing director of Boyden Global Executive Search in New York. ``People in New York in the world of investment banking will understand it. It's critical that pay is still there or you're going to lose really good people.''
The industry's bonuses are larger than the gross domestic products of Sri Lanka, Lebanon or Bulgaria, and the average bonus of $219,198 is more than four times higher than the median U.S. household income in 2006, according to data compiled by the U.S. Census Bureau.----
http://tinyurl.com/4ye4s6
Remember kids - This isn't a failure of the free market: It's Victory!
When Stevie can show us how he predicted this clear Cataclysmic Economic Clusterfuck with the same accuracy as Roubini did in 2006, THEN I'll take listen.
Because at the end of the day I'm NOT an Expert and don't place much faith in the Economic models and Economists and likes of Bush Paulson and Bernenke who got us into this mess. And I certainly don't intend to make a fucking career out of Economics.
I'm just trying to make sense of this Catastrophe by finding the best sources I can. But even I can smell Economic Horseshit by now. So I'll stick to listening to guys like Roubini and Buffet who clearly saw this unprecedented clusterfuck coming thanks. -
It is kind of humbling to consider some people will only start paying attention in the near future. Maybe it's a little late in the game, but on the other hand, it does make me cringe at my over-attentiveness. So much of the back and forth is repetitive, redundant and kind of compulsive. Aside from the debates, there's no reason you couldn't make an informed decision without paying a lick of attention until a week before the election. Actually, you can watch everything on YouTube anyway.
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From NYT today:
http://tinyurl.com/487oz8
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For American's to finally realize Republican's don't give a shit about them
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I used to vote Republican, until Bush the first uttered the words, "A thousand points of light..." and I realized it was a smokescreen for gutting social programs so money could be put into other people's pockets. The scales fell from my eyes.
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The First Great Depression signaled a seismic shift from right wing conservative politics of greed, avarice, and incompetence, and ushered in an era of forward thinking progressive liberal policies like the New Deal under FDR -- hands down the greatest president this country ever had. Looks like truth will out again as Obama takes the White House and helps setting the country back on track to being a world leader rather than a world embarrassment. Of course, if McSame / Nailin win, which is unlikely, but possible, you may as well kiss this dying contry goodbye, because that, my friends, would be the final nail. Thankfully the wind seems to be blowing in the direction of Obama / Biden, so, it looks like we'll be back on track soon enough.
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As BSB already hinted there's a point at which the Dow MAY hit bottom and the bargain hunters will feed voraciously.
Problem is where exactly IS the bottom ?
Buffet looks to the Medium and Long term every time and I'm sure he's fairly certain down the road he will be proved right however far that is.. But when the IMF warns The world financial system is teetering on the brink of systemic meltdown, I don't put that into the category of the usual scaremongering and I doubt the Market will either.
The Markets responses to the various Bailout and other measures to solve this crisis has been less and less positive as time goes on. They will be reponding to the co-ordinated efforts of the G7 finance leaders to enact a Global response to stop the rot when they reopen and I just don't know if they are going to be impressed or not, but the mood music so far hasn't been ecstatic sadly. The Governments are fast running out of options but I suppose there may be a point where the Market might take a long hard look at itself and decide the values are not warranted, but right now sheer unbridled Panic seems to be the main Market driving force not sober introspection.
I'm sure there may well be some bargains right now but it's going to take those with balls of steel to go for them.
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---Among those agreed measures, acting on national basis, would buy into banks to boost their finances and temporarily guarantee bank refinancing to ease the credit crunch. Eurozone leaders said each member state would recapitalize financial institutions by acquiring preferred shares or other instruments including non-dilutive ones.---
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...even though I've never bought stock in my life, it strikes me as a perfect example of ruthless opportunism cloaking itself as "Making The Smart Move" to buy stock in anything that is going through a murderous depression right now....exactly the kind of "entrepeneurism" that got us in this fucking mess to begin with.
Look: I bought the issue of "Rolling Stone" with OJ on the cover when it came out in September of '77, seven years before he gacked Nicole and Goldman, and I sure as fuck didn't feel the slightest urge to try and sell that magazine to some highest-bidder pervert "collector" - I feel the same way about prowling the stock market for "Once-In-A-Lifetime" deals right now..., -
I'm not saying it's a moral thing to do (Markets are amoral and Wall Street has proved that with a vengeance of late) or even the right thing to do, but sooner or later the Markets will have to return to some kind of sanity and that will be preceded by the bargain hunters I would think.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHrExRHZnm0 Awesome. They know what the US is all about.
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I apologize for getting sand in your 'gina... but the housing market isn't the direct issue, and I never said it was. If banks held the subprime mortgages that were defaulted, then liquidated the homes, we're talking about a quarter trillion dollars loss, tops. The real problem is the debt financial institutions hold, which is estimated around 14 trillion dollars via DERIVATIVE markets. And, yeah, shorting is essential to any healthy market. We are not in a healthy market (credit channels have been clogged for at least a year now), and you didn't even acknowledge that you had any clue what CDO's or CDS's are or their relevance or their importance to any discussion involving the finanicial sector (at least, you didn't in response to my posts). Instead, you went on multiple, self-righteous, pissy little rants, but you never demonstrated any actual understanding of economics or, more, importantly, common sense. Economics isn't something you pick up reading blogs or NYT's articles. But, your wish is granted... for one night I got really bored went politicin' here... and your sheer refusal to think critically (or at least do some basic research) and ignorant/partisan bullshit has reminded me why I stopped posting under my politicn' name to begin with.
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Citing sources does not equal understanding. In a few years, when you start college (hopefully), you will learn that the hard way.
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You really are struggling aren't you ? Not to worry I can well understand why you are so upset and forgive your predictable NeoCon style wailing, smearing, namecalling and stamping your little feet impotently as all your touchingly blind faith in the Markets to fix everything and all your past assumptions dissolve with every passing day.
For someone who claims superior knowledge and of the Economy (and unless i'm mistaken actually has been STUDYING Economics) you DO spend most of your posts in laughable childish namecalling (that you hilariously seem to have simply pasted from previous rants. Try stretching yourself eh ?)
Dodging the main questions that your "superior" Economic "knowledge" should have prepared you for. Because it's one thing to be strangely proud that you might well know how to set up a Hedge Fund or Toxic Derivative, it's quite another to display the simple common sense almost everyone else now acknowledges that all that has occured has turned decades of Ideology and Dogma about the power of the Market on it's head.
Was this a SUCCESS of the Free Market? A simple yes or no would suffice.
Did YOU predict (like I did, someone who doesn't STUDY Ecnomics and has the humility to admit he is not an Expert) the coming hurricane that would make "Fannie and Freddie look like a mom and pop bailout" ?
Again a simple yes ot no would do if you can manage it.
Were the Banks FORCED to make all these mortgages, loans and credit or does the very fucking obvious profits I posted PROVE exactly why they were making them again and again and again ?
I of course realise your obvious idealogical reasons for desperately trying to shift most of the blame away from Economists and Wall Street, but it simply won't fly.
The public and the Politicians certainly aren't buying that particular pile of Horseshit.
Sure the Government has a massive share of the blame for the staggeringly stupid deregulation that allowed the bundling of these Toxic securities and the credit rating agencies who so foolishly labeled them AAA can hardly act like they were doing the correct thing, but that CLEAR failure of oversight and regulation is accepted by all but the most deluded rabid deregulators now.
And you stil haven't posted the "PROOF" that "many prominent economists have been calling this bullshit for up to a decade." Why is that ?
Tell me which is worst ? many prominent Economists knowing about this bullshit (though Catastrophe is what most are calling it) OR Economists scrambling to cover their ass because in fact they just went along with the business as usual Economics and forecasts and were caught looking totally unprepared and impotent when this happened ?
Either way they don't look to clever right now.
There might even be a amusing saying in years to come. "As usefull as an Economist before the Economic Pearl Harbour of 08"
Roubinis accurate prediction stands there for all to see. If you or those Economists you worship REALLY do have such a superior knowledge then PLEASE show us all YOUR predictions.
They must after all be so much better than his was. Put your money where your mouth is.
Roubini, who lest we forget, you had the arrogance to label as "has a long history of being wrong." without of course posting any proof of this to counter his accurate prediction because lets face it ALL you ever do is assert something and foolishly presume that makes you right. Which in your strange litle mind is what passes for "understanding".
Oh and what part of "CDS Credit Default Swaps. Remember the name" that I posted from Aug 5th, didn't you understand ? Seems to me I was highlighting their relevance and importance long before you jumped into this thread to namecall.
In fact I'm fairly sure I may even have raised the importance of CDO's back in MAY or thereabouts with (of all people) YOU. AND I'm almost certain I pointed out to YOU that CREDIT DEFAULT SWAPS were a grave concern even THEN.
Should I look and see Stevie ?
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Success or failure of the Free Market Steve ?
The Government and Fed spending BILLIONS buying up MASSIVE stakes in these Banks and Institutions (sounds suspiciously like Nationalisation to me) Success or Failure of the Free Market Stevie ?
But you aren't intersted in any of that are you Stevie ? Your posts are nothing more than an attempt to assert that you are right about any given subject combined with namecalling of those you disagree with.
Why not put your Economic studies to some actuall use instead of the bitter ranting ?
Even my limited knowledge has been used to highlight the relevant issues like the the Importance of the G7's co-ordinated measures by Injecting Capital into the Banks and guaranteeing Interbank Lending along with plenty of other posts on how this was all developing.
Since you claim the Expertise why not outline how the Recession will now play out and begin to start REALLY hitting HARD at around Christmas and the first quarter of 09 ?
I only know the generalitities and would gladly be reminded by someone who claims superior Economic knowledge how, in numeric and specic detail, this will affect foreclosures, Jobs and the larger Economy.
Because one thing I DO know is that the pain for Main Street is only going to get MUCH worse and as times get far harder the understandable anger and questions about this Catastrophe, and the staggering amounts of Money involved, will not simply go away but get FAR louder and more intense. -
See even I can acknowledge if I overstate something in haste ? Why not try it yourself ?
Your namecalling hasn't been verbatim repastings I admit. My error. But they are amusingly similar each time, so the main point stands.
Try a little variety as your touchingly amusing assumption and constant repetition that I am some kind of "kid" is no doubt the best you can manage as you attempt condescension but it lacks the force and gravitas to back it up so I'm afraid it just sounds incongruous.
It's almost understandable as the desperate ad-hominem flailings and attacks of someone under pressure. I've already said I don't blame you and readily forgive you for trying it again and again since it's clearly something you habitually use when all else fails. Sadly it backfires spectacularly since it sits squarely within your own namecalling posts and childish attitude. -
----"but the housing market isn't the direct issue, and I never said it was." "This isn't a failure of the free market: this is a direct result of encouraging "home ownership among groups that have been historically deprived" of said benefit"---- DOH!
I can see you clearly don't bother reading anyone elses posts, or you wouldn't have made such a fool of yourself trying to claim I didn't raise the importance of the Credit Default Swaps and Toxic securities when the proof I did is there in black and white, but at least try to read your OWN posts. Amusingly snide little doucheposts though they may be.
Don't worry it's pretty fucking clear WHY you are behaving in such a hilarious manner and though I do enjoy slapping down hard and at length your obvious errors and having more to say than a subject than short rants full of childish blind assertions of superiority without backing it up, I'm sure once you get into the real world and leave behind your cloistered Economic Studies you'll begin to mature.
I know it must REALLY smart that such an amateur like myself can make fairly accurate predictions and constantly highlight the relevant issues like the Toxic Securitities before you do but don't get yourself into such a state.
Nobody really thinks Economists are much fucking use these days and you could always say your blind worship of the free market and failure to see the coming Catastrophe the year the State took over the Banks was a "phase" you went through.
And next time you post at least TRY to answer some questions ? You can't Dodge questions all your life.
Who knows ? Next time you reply I might even have found more proof that I was indeed warning about this as long ago as MAY or even proof that as Economic "expert" like yourself seemed remarkably unconcerned by it all.
I'll be sure to post this proof after your next short namecalling rant so you can whine about that too. -
I had no idea that I crammed so much sand in your 'gina.
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What a fucking twat.
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Believe it or not, I'm on a first name basis with some of the economists whose papers got some media attention, which you then learned of via the media prism... Don't bother complaining about economists not being takin' seriously... they all know they aren't takin' seriously seriously unless they whore themselves out for politicians. I used to be like you, spending a lot of time posting (except I posted actual data and some basic interpretation/s and analysis). But, I've realized it's pointless. My career path is geared towards self-employment, and, sadly, I know that I need to be a liberal Democrat throwing money around everywhere to get the massive Fed grants to get rich quick. Fuck all that free market bullshit: offering a product or service people voluntarily purchase cause it's better or cheaper or some combination, I'd make more money in the wind-energy route. I didn't back up anything I posted cause 1) it is pointless, most every here is married to one party or the other 2) You define idiotic partisanship. BTW, I'm a libertarian, not a neocon.
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keep telling yourself that, otherwise... you might actually learn something.
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