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Evidence That Nolan Is 'On' BATMAN 3 (Or Whatever It'll Be Called)??

Published at: Oct. 6, 2008, 10:12 a.m. CST

Merrick here...
We've never heard one way or the other whether Christopher Nolan would return for the next BATMAN movie (which isn't likely to have "Batman" in the title if I understand correctly). We've heard that Nolan was "on vacation" and had yet to return to discuss a new project. We've hear whispers that he wouldn't come back , and that alternate directions for the franchise were being considered. We've heard there's been little-to-no talk of another BATMAN movie at all. Last week, AICN received a few e-mails indicating that a BATMAN film was gearing up to start production early next year in the Chicago area, but Nolan's name was nowhere to be found on the project's preliminary information. AND, in a recent interview I can't seem to locate at the moment, one interviewee from Warners revealed that (I'm paraphrasing) Nolan's return was clearly desirable, but was in no way assured (if anyone knows of a link to said interview, please post in Talkbacks below). Well, the usually reliable Production Weekly (HERE), which (according to its front page) provides the entertainment industry with a comprehensive breakdown of projects in pre-production, preparation, and active development for film and television., has now listed a BATMAN 3 as going into pre-production early next year - with Nolan directing Christian Bale, Morgan Freeman, Michael Caine, and Gary Oldman. It's...uncommon...to hear this kind of news without first hearing noisier allusions from other channels, so it's probably prudent to take this with a grain of salt until further & officialer details come down the pipeline. However, Production Weekly isn't known for going off half-cocked, and we've previously gleaned information like this from far funkier sources. One example: before Len Wiseman was officially announced for LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD, some guys on a plane were discussing his attachment to the project...they were overheard by a passenger who then wrote in to tell us the news. So, it may not be wise to completely dismiss this new Nolan information either. Can't wait to see how this shakes out. More news as more comes in...
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  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:08 a.m. CST

    oh please

    by tiltandflip

    make it now!

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:08 a.m. CST

    3ATMAN

    by IAmJack'sUserID

    And Sandy Collora sucks.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:09 a.m. CST

    2010 or 2011 release

    by Samson_K

    Hooray<BR><BR>Two, maybe three years of Talkback emotional rollercoaster as people worship TDK / loathe TDK - as the word haters is bandied about and as each new casting piece of news comes in.<BR><BR>

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Old News

    by HeyImLewWV

    Yeah, I read this on IGN and LatinoReview like last week ... this site is losin it.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:11 a.m. CST

    That Alex Ross inspired Batman in that youtube clip...

    by 11ZOMBIES

    ...is so damn lame. I'd seen that short a while back, but didn't remember how bad it was. Good production value, but everything else in it is just silly. Still have yet to see TDK.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:12 a.m. CST

    David Tennant as The Riddler

    by Anna Valerious

    This had better happen...although BBC still needs to find Doctor 11 if this will happen...

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:13 a.m. CST

    what the fuck...

    by mr_macphisto

    was that shit embedded at the end of this post? aliens, predators, the lamest joker in history?!? thank god we got nolan and not whatever hack shit out that crap.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Riddler as a dour, quiet, humorless villain

    by chrth

    Compelled to submit riddles to the police, but not all the riddles lead to him.<p> I really love TAS Mr. Freeze, but I don't see it working in the Nolan universe yet. Not with Bats on the run. Maybe in the 4th film, once Bats is back on the side of angels. <p> That said, they could involve Mr. Freeze is the next film, almost like Scarecrow in TDK, except towards the end of the film, not the beginning. The Riddler, captured and in Arkham, could point out that Batman hasn't solved all the clues he sent out. <p> Batman (deep gravelly voice): Tell me what I missed<p> Riddler (walking away from the door, condescendingly): When you figure it out, it'll chill your bones.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:22 a.m. CST

    wait a minute- there was a Batman film released this year???

    by Jugdish

    I must have missed it

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:23 a.m. CST

    mark strong for penguin

    by thinboyslim.

    awesome actor needs a big break.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Oh...

    by Quintus_Arrius

    ... ok...

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:24 a.m. CST

    I'm not sure I want another Batman so soon...

    by cdubbs727

    Dark Knight was a fantastic movie and possibly the best interpretation of the character on the screen. I don't see how a third movie could be anything but a disappointment. I've always thought it might be wise to flash the series forward about 20 years and do a loose adaptation of The Dark Knight Returns, where Gotham has deteriorated to the point where Batman needs to come out of retirement. Eliminate the stuff with the mutants and the naked nazi chick and bring back the Joker and you could have a fascinating movie that closes the trilogy.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:25 a.m. CST

    I vote Superman.

    by Joker Gordon Levitt

    I know some people consider Superman too silly for Nolan's world, but I think the potential for a "Man v God" story is there. <br><br> Imagine, in the 5 year abscence of Superman, the public is subjected to the acts of a brutal vigilante. But when their super-hero returns, the people demand Batman be brought to justice. Superman must choose between serving the people's needs, or condoning the actions of a masked crimefighter. <br><br> For Batman, his struggle evolves from fighting pure evil, to fighting pure good.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:28 a.m. CST

    Here we go. Now watch as everyone...

    by IndoorPlumbing

    Here we go. Now watch as everyone begins stating who they think the villain should be, what actor should play him, and why Robin can/can't ever be in it. First people will begin speculating the Riddler and arguing who should play him and how he should be played, then it will go to minor Catwoman talk, and then people will begin stating what the title should be. We've been through this before. But alas I assume it will be another one of THOSE talkbacks. So on that note...CGI a 1986 Kirk Cameron for Robin, the Boy Wonder!

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:28 a.m. CST

    John Lithgow as the Mad Hatter or Simon Pegg as The Riddler

    by Johnny Smith

    End of story.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:28 a.m. CST

    IndoorPlumbing: You'd rather it be another political TB?

    by chrth

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Uh oh.

    by HoboCode

    I will piss on WB if anybody but Nolan directs. Don't even bother if he isn't on board.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:30 a.m. CST

    But also...

    by Johnny Smith

    Robin would be an awesome villain if they could figure out how to do it right...some sociopathic nutball kid who figures out Bruce is Batman and tricks him into thinking he's an orphan and taking him under his wing...or cape...

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:31 a.m. CST

    No Mad Hatter, and if Riddler (as already stated)

    by chrth

    humorless. Look, you can't top Ledger's "funny" villain, so don't even try, otherwise it'll just smack of parody. So you need a new angle.<p> You have Batman on the run from the cops, the Riddler committing crimes (at the behest of the Joker?) and both Batman and the cops trying to stop him. Hints of Mr. Freeze in the 4th film. But you don't need a second villain. You don't need Robin. Batman vs Gordon vs Riddler. Ta da.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Nolan's stalling for more money

    by fastcars

    Of course he's going to come back and finish the trilogy. The "rumors" are just to get a higher salary. The real questions are what villains should be in Batman 3? And should they include The Joker, with another actor playing him? The Joker's story clearly wasn't done at the end of The Dark Knight.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:31 a.m. CST

    David Tennant as The Riddler?

    by NeilF

    Are you £$%*$%**%* kidding? Blah!

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Simon Pegg

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    WRONG. Keep him away from the film.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Actually, the Joker's story *is* done

    by chrth

    It ended when neither Ferry blew up the other. Gotham defeated the Joker, and without Batman's help.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:34 a.m. CST

    "I have had it with these muthafucking hacks on this muthafuckin

    by The Equalizer

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:34 a.m. CST

    PLANE!!!"

    by The Equalizer

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:35 a.m. CST

    Don't Make the Riddler a P_ssy

    by bushsux

    The reason why Dark Knight was such a great movie was because Heath Ledger played the Joker like a tough guy instead of a sissy like he was in the first Batman movie with Nicholson.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Ray Liotta as Clayface!

    by EriamJH

    No makeup needed nor nuthin'!!!

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Hm... I was hoping for a three year break

    by mefrog

    I mean, all in all I'd prefer to just leave the series on the high note that it is currently on, but I know another Batman is inevitable. I just hope they really really dedicate lots of time to it... like three years or so. That's also about a year or so break of extreme hype and anticipation which, frankly, was a little exhausting. Then let everything start up again.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:38 a.m. CST

    If Fox was doing Batman 3, you know it would be

    by jim

    "Rise of the Riddler" or "Gotham Crime Chronicles". And it would suck.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:39 a.m. CST

    I dunno.

    by Juggernaut125

    Maybe we should ask Moriarty if he thinks this rumour is worth spreading or not before everyone goes off half-cocked in all the excitement.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:39 a.m. CST

    chrth

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    The Joker's story isn't done. He helped make Dent insane (stupid as that plot point was), and has Batman on the run - the guy could come back in hundreds of ways.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:42 a.m. CST

    That embedded video

    by ChezKing

    Wow, that was actually entertaining. The fight choreography, although looked funny, was really not bad. Especially for that time. Did I hear the James Bond theme in there?

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:43 a.m. CST

    Mr. Zeddemore: But to do what?

    by chrth

    Cause more chaos in Gotham? The people of Gotham refused to play his game. Attack Batman? Why? The Joker needs Batman.<p> Can The Joker return? Of course. But it would be a new story. And if he didn't return, well, that's ok too. Like I said: Gotham beat the Joker. That story is over.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Riddler is basically a watered-down Joker

    by sean bean

    with an obsessive/compulsive disorder. He's too similar to be in the next film. But I honestly don't think there's many classic Batman villains that would fit into Nolan's Gotham. Penguin, Catwoman and Riddler, possibly. But the supernatural/superpowered ones are out of the equation. Compare this to the universe Raimi created for Spider-Man and there are loads of villains that would fit right in: Lizard, Electro, Kraven, Black Cat, Vulture, Scorpion, Mysterio...

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Oh Get Real

    by toxicbuddha

    All of us here should be savvy enough to know that Hollywood is driven by the bottom line and with the money the last one made there was never any debate about there being a third. And no way the suits running WB are stupid enough to do so w/o bringing back all the principles. Maybe Nolan held up to make sure he got paid, but at the end of the day there was no way this wasn't gonna be green lit. Thanks for the info, but let's not act as if this is a revelation.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:46 a.m. CST

    William H. Macy as The Riddler

    by Pongo

    It's the only thing that would work.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:47 a.m. CST

    sean bean: That's why I said don't play Riddler

    by chrth

    like the Joker. Play him the exact opposite of the Carrey incarnation.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:48 a.m. CST

    I think Scarface could work as a villain

    by jim

    but not as a major one. More as an example of how, like vigilantes emulate Batman in the second film, the underworld looks for Joker-type leaders. With the underworld turned upside down and up for grabs, someone as psychotic and insane as the Ventriloquist could rise up. If done right, Scarface could be a very scary and effective villain. But not as a main villain. <p>For that I predict The Penguin. Not Tim Burton's perverse fish-eating, black-bile spewing Penguin, but like he has been done recently in the comics - an arms dealer who sells to feuding street gangs, letting them kill each other off, then buys whoever's left and takes over.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Heck, you want to do a complete mindfuck for the fans?

    by chrth

    BRING BACK CARREY TO PLAY THE RIDDLER. But to play the exact opposite of his earlier incarnation. Carrey has the acting chops to pull it off, and it would add a level of Meta that would confound all.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:49 a.m. CST

    NONE OF THE FOLLOWING

    by Joker Gordon Levitt

    NO CLAYFACE<br>NO FREEZE<br>NO BLACK MASK<br>NO ROBIN<br>NO BATGIRL<br>NO MAN-BAT<br>NO HUSH<br>NO BAT-MITE

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:51 a.m. CST

    It's a shame Nolan fucked up Ras so badly in Begins

    by chrth

    Now would be the perfect time to introduce him and Talia.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:51 a.m. CST

    RIDDLER = VEIDT

    by Joker Gordon Levitt

    Grand scheme to ruin Gotham through social conditioning.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:52 a.m. CST

    chrth

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Of course it'd be a new story. I think we got our wires crossed though. The logical thing to do would be to have Batman ask The Joker for help catching someone worse - that way you can have Batman confront his dark side while The Joker confronts a different channel for his chaotic mindset.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:53 a.m. CST

    Yeah...get any hack to round up another Batman...stat!

    by mister death

    I now have my answer to the question if Paul W.S. Anderson (recent bomb...Death Race) made a Batman VS. Predator VS. Alien. Why'd ya take that YouTube link down? What's with the 1972 Commie-Batman? Me thinks Batman needs a rest. No need to rush a stinker. There's a stack of comic books somewhere in some production office that needs a movie made out of it. Iron Man proved you don't have to have a character that your grandma knows to make a half way decent return and a watch-able movie.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Mr. Zeddemore: Please not 'worse than the Joker'

    by chrth

    We went down that road with that Hannibal abortion. No one should ever be worse than the Joker. Ever. It steals so much from the Joker, and it's not needed.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:54 a.m. CST

    "You talking Rottweilers...

    by ponysystem

    or chawawers. It should do fine against CATS." Said Lucas Fox to Bruce as they both tried not to smirk at the obvious clue to who Batman will face next. MMMmmm Batman 3 = Nolan directing and Jolie as Catwoman - its should be called Batman - Spank My Monkey.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:56 a.m. CST

    One other note I forgot to mention: Full-on Detective Mode

    by chrth

    With the Riddler as an antagonist, we can go full-bore Detective. Shit, how about an entire movie without the Batmobile/Cycle/etc? I can't be the only one who thinks a Detective movie be great (TDK had some detective work; with Bats on the run from the police, we have the potential for a lot more)

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:57 a.m. CST

    *smacks forehead* Duh, of course!

    by chrth

    Riddler isn't leaving clues about himself and his crimes(well, some are). He's trying to get Batman caught as well. He's trying to lead the cops to Batman.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Underrated Movies

    by The Colonel

    Any thoughts on this list of the 10 most underrated movies since 1990? http://www.intrepidmedia.com/column.asp?id=3265 Some omissions but some gems in there.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11 a.m. CST

    Batman in Turkey was played by Gaz Coombes from Supergrass?

    by thefrood

    Inspired casting!

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11:01 a.m. CST

    chrth

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Okay, 'not worse.' But different. The Joker goes by chaos, what about having someone who is more inclined to benefit from the corruption of Gotham. Have it go back to the way it was - with Batman gone, Gotham goes to Hell. Someone like The Penguin profits from it, and Batman has to really go full-blown to bring him down outside of the law.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Nolan Returns and Turkish Batman Rocks!!

    by thot

    I've no doubt Nolan will finish up his trilogy. After that it's anyone's guess. I like the idea of Clayface, could be very interesting. Turkish Batman has some skills! He likes to use pro-wrestling moves and obviously loves the ladies. Dig the Bond theme at the first part! But, where were Batman's ears and cape?

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11:03 a.m. CST

    I don't like the idea of Gothan going back to hell

    by chrth

    It undermines everything from TDK. The whole point of TDK was to bring Gotham back from hell. To have it return just doesn't work from me. But that's a personal preference.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11:05 a.m. CST

    chrth

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Thematically, they have to have a way to show Batman that he can't run away from Gotham, even when it's a matter of sacrifice. He did bring about the rise of The Joker et al, but he managed to the corruption. Remove Batman, and what stops said corruption from reoccuring? Thematically, it rounds out the trilogy by having Batman succeed by understanding that when 'the good do nothing, everything falls apart.'

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Hangin up the cowl

    by David Cloverfield

    and regaining again could work wonderfully. After TDK he has enough reasons to stop batmanning. I want Nolan's Riddler and Penguin though. There's one aspect they can't top from the Burton movies, and that's Catwoman. She's been done perfectly, no reason to use her. (She was tons more interesting for me than comic book Catwoman.)

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Of COURSE there's going to be another Batman

    by Snookeroo

    And yes, Nolan will be at the helm. You don't make a billion dollar movie and walk away from it. Nobody does that. And that's not even counting the merchandising.<br><br>Expect everything that WB does for the next ten years to be some version of "the Dark Knight". It's just how they operate. They have no idea why this movie was so successful -- but they DO see dollar signs.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Bane

    by Animation

    I think Bane would be a cool villain for the next movie.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11:13 a.m. CST

    The title should be something simple and classy, like ...

    by Henry Jones Sr

    Gotham City.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11:13 a.m. CST

    No need to Rush

    by dvdbob

    At least in the eyes of Nolan - I'm sure the studio wants to get the next film moving ASAP as there is plenty of money to be made. I'm hoping Nolan can convince the studio to let him do another film in between. Look at what he and Bale pulled off in between Begins and TDK. The Prestige was amazing! Part of me wishes Nolan would actually move on to other things. Memento is one of the best films of the past 20 years and I hope he doesn't get consumed in the "comic book" world and never makes a film like Memento again. Granted, TDK and The Prestige are almost as dark as Memento and one could argue just as well directed but I just don't want Nolan to end up like Bryan Singer. X1 and X2 were very good and I'm sure everyone has an opinion about Superman Returns but none of these films is anywhere close to The Usual Suspects - again one of the best films of the past 20 years. It will certainly be interesting to see what the future has in store for Nolan, Batman and the villains. The combo of Nolan, Bale, IMAX and Ledger made TDK almost impossible to top - and maybe they just shouldn't try. I guess we will just have to wait and see.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11:14 a.m. CST

    THE RIDDLER & THE PENGUIN...

    by Banzai Rootskibango

    Riddler as a very dark, Zodiac-like killer who sends in his riddles/clues to try to pull the Batman from out of hiding. - Johnny Depp fits. <P> The Penguin as an arms dealer making things difficult for Batman by keeping what's left of the mafia armed to the teeth as they regroup. - Phillip Seymore Hoffman or Paul Giamatti fit. <P> Joker is done. No Ledger, no Joker. Don't ruin what they put up in TDK with Ledger. Leave it as it is and move on.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11:17 a.m. CST

    One Villain...

    by Judge Briggs

    And Two-Face shouldn't be dead... Batman villains don't die... that is so stupid to say they do... Two-Face should be in the background killing people while Batman deals with that and being hunted...

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Riddler all the way

    by Obscura

    and go the other way with it... a completely calm villian who knows every outcome and answer,a John Doe from Se7en kind of attitude.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Buscemi for Riddler

    by Droid

    But that may end up too close to Ledgers Joker. I would prefer they stay away from another "taste for the theatrical" villain. But maybe i've just got Carreys Riddler embedded in my consciousness. GET IT OUT! GET IT OUT! Done correctly, as a more low key, genius schemer, a Buscemi Riddler could work. Just don't try to one-up the last one by adding a shitload of villians! I don't envy Nolan trying to follow TDK.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Yes, Nolan will be all over the next Batman like...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...a monkey on a bananna. It's only a matter of time, planning, and writing. I'm not sure who I would want to see as the next villain but it will be cool to see how the "rogues gallery" emerges from the chaos created by the Joker.<P>"You've changed things."

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Oh, and somewhere out there...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...Jeff Albertson and I am Batman (moviemack) are weeping. Heh.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11:25 a.m. CST

    No Riddler, NO Penguin

    by Gungan Slayer

    Alright folks, we all know Batman has more than just the same eight bad guys. Let's include someone we've never seen on screen before. I like the Riddler, but prefer he stay out of this, and the Penguin is just flat out lame. And Judge Brgiss...I agree. Two-Face shouldn't be dead. Batman never kills anyone, and he certainly wouldn't have just left Harvey to die like that. No. I BELIEVE IN HARVEY DENT. Two-Face fucking lives on.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Even without the Joker they could still bring in

    by jim

    Harley Quinn. Her backstory could happen offscreen. Although I can't see her carrying a film as a villain, and she's never as interesting as she is when she's with the Joker. Still, it would have been interesting to see the fanboy reaction if that guy had gone through with his prank photos earlier this year. But he chickened out fearing the backlash.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Pruitt Taylor Vince for Penguin

    by Droid

    Just don't Schumacher this SOB, Nolan!

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Riddler...

    by badboymason

    I like the William H Macy angle... play to his strengths, not an ice-cold John Doe like serial killer, but a put-upon everyday, neurotic loser who snaps... but is still a neurotic loser. Even the same kind of origin as Carrey's in Forever would work: The quiet scientist who gets canned and/or screwed out of credit for his brilliant inventions... he sets out to bring down Gotham and ruin Bruce Wayne/Wayne Enterprises... Batman is already on the run from the law, if the Riddler destroyed Wayne's reputation too - maybe even the "Bruce Wayne: Murderer" angle. Have Wayne get arrested...leaving the streets without Batman...

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Gungan Slayer

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    My theory? That wasn't Harvey Dent, or Two-Face. It was Clayface. Harvey Dent got burned up, but The Joker replaced him with Clayface.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11:30 a.m. CST

    @snookeroo

    by badboymason

    "You dont make a billion dollar movie then walk away from it." Sure you do, go ask James Cameron...

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11:33 a.m. CST

    He should hold out for more cash...

    by LORDRANDO

    If anyone deserves the 500 ga-jillion dollars TDK brought in its him and Heath Ledgers daughter.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11:34 a.m. CST

    It has to be Freeze

    by subtlety

    Riddler is way too similar to the kind of way the Joker was used last film... and besides, Riddler, thematically, doesn't have much going on. Nolan seems to like that Batman villians have emotional themes to them... ie, Scarecrow represents fear, two-face/joker represent madness... the most logical place for the franchise to go is Freeze, who represents loss. Bruce has just lost the love of his life, the only person who might be able to make him a person again. Freeze represents one possible outcome for Batman, since losing his own love has turned him from a man into a monster. less likely but also possible would be Mad Hatter, who represents the control which has been slipping through Batman's fingers. <br><br>To me, that's the perfect place for the franchise to explore now. Other villians, like Penguin or Catwoman, are pulpier and less evocative, so unless their story is radically changed, I don't see Nolan being interested. Riddler would be great, but they have to wait at least one mroe movie to bring back the kind of elaborate planning that Joker represented in the previous film. Then again, I still say bring on Man-Bat MAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNN BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!!!!!!

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Mickey Rourke as Clayface

    by Droid

    For funzeez!!!

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11:38 a.m. CST

    The Caped Crusader

    by Rat Fink

    That's what the title will be. And your foolish if you think Nolan won't be back to make another. They'll give him all the money in the world to do another.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11:41 a.m. CST

    badboymason, you were hoping for a Titanic trilogy?

    by jim

    Or "Titanic: The Early Years"? Maybe "Titanic: The Rose Chronicles"? Perhaps "Titanic: Iceberg Rising" (told from the iceberg's point of view)?<p>(I kid, I know what you meant)

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Batman is a actually town in south eastern Turkey

    by newc0253

    don't believe me? google it, bitches.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11:43 a.m. CST

    ANNE HATHAWAY FOR CATWOMAN

    by superhero

    She rocked it on SNL this past week...SNL is usually garbage but she actually showed that she's got more talent than most of the cast combined...Hathaway would be an awesome Catwoman.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Lithgow as Mad Hatter could be amazing...

    by DanielKurland

    Makes me think of his great serious work in De Palma's early films. Obviously this goes without saying, but it's going to be hard for Nolan to top himself. I'm surprised he's not doing a film in between.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11:44 a.m. CST

    ***** Send in the boyscout SUPERMAN. *****

    by JDanielP

    The interplay between Superman and Batman is ripe for the big screen, if you know your comic book and animation history. Nolan, please look into it.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11:49 a.m. CST

    THE DARK KNIGHT and THE MAN OF STEEL

    by JDanielP

    A title like that, coupled with an incredible (Nolan) follow up,...and ticket sales just might surpass THE DARK KNIGHT.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11:50 a.m. CST

    I_am_not_the_droid

    by fartedinthefaceofhollywood

    Mickey Rourke as Clayface???....bwahahahahaha PERFECT!!! seriously, take the persona of his character from Sin City...blend in style of Batman...and POOF!!! Clayface...BUT...(thats thats a HUGE but) that character would be SO out of place or so it would seem that way given the style of direction for these newer batman films. good idea though.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Next year? No way.

    by ricarleite

    I call it bogus. At least for now.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11:52 a.m. CST

    I BEG OF YOU! NO THIRD NOLAN BATMAN!!!

    by Err

    Do you honestly believe that the third Nolan Batman film, if made, will live up to the expectations or that it will be as good or better than TDK? No. Just end it here and now.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11:53 a.m. CST

    It's obvious who it's going to be. I mean, he was in TDK

    by chrth

    BATMANUEL!

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Jim Carrey as riddler.

    by dr sauch

    Thats right, this could be the big dramatic break he's always wanted. Nolan could control him.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11:56 a.m. CST

    I'd hate

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    to be the actor following Ledger's Joker.<p> Maybe The Ventriloquist and his murderous puppet Scarface....?

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11:58 a.m. CST

    No, the Philippines didn't have anything as high-tech

    by quentintarantado

    as a YOUTUBE video of James Batman. There doesn't seem to be any around (though the DVD is available). Just several fond reviews like this one: http://tinyurl.com/5y7bzf We should gather all these movies from all over the world and have a festival of these flicks.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Would be fucking cool...

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    ...but make it 120 minute runtime this time plz.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, noon CST

    Next villian is... KILLER MOTH!

    by Boneyard

    Actually, I'd be fine with Penguin, Catwoman Riddler, Ventriloquist or Hugo Strange. They'd all work fine in the Nolan-verse. Just as long as there's not more than two - though I'd prefer one personally...

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Well I hope Nolan does another one

    by CherryValance

    I don't know what his intentions were for a third film, but I hope they can work around it or come up with something completely different. It seemed to me like they were setting up an eventual villain team up movie, which couldn't happen without the Joker. Whether they were or they weren't, there are plenty of other things they could do. But to go ahead without Nolan would make it a completely different thing, almost as if they were rebooting. And I'm really sick of reboots.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Batman vs. the Other Batmen

    by tonagan

    They could flesh out that bit at the beginning of The Dark Knight, and have all the actors who previously played Batman running around Gotham causing trouble. It'd be kooky.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Snookeroo:

    by raw_bean

    "You don't make a billion dollar movie and walk away from it."<p>Tell that to James Cameron. There was lots of idle talk for how to make another Titanic film, all oof which sounded rubbish, and all of which came to precisely nothing. That said, I've no doubt there'll be another Batman film, the question is whether Nolan comes back. I hope he does.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Content to wait

    by chewyou812

    Nolan & Company took their time with The Dark Knight and it turned out brilliantly. I love reading some of the casting suggestions, but it's a futile effort I'm afraid as no one would've picked Heath Ledger for the joker. Give it time and Nolan will likely come back for one more and while it likely won't be as good as The Dark Knight, it'll be brilliant anyway.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Damn You Michael Bay

    by MCMLXXVI

    Damn You Michael Bay

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Two Words: Suicide Squad

    by ChocolateJesusMan

    Since batman is on the run now and Gotham needs someone to hunt him dow, They almost fit perfectly into Nolans universe, if we could get Jenifer Hudson as "Amanda Waller" I think it could work...Tell me if I'm wrong Talkbackers

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 12:17 p.m. CST

    raw_bean, James Cameron didn't make it but

    by jim

    there was another Titanic movie. It was called Pearl Harbor. However, attempts to duplicate the success of Titanic by using certain elements of that film and shoehorning them into a movie about Pearl Harbor didn't work so well. "Instead of a love story we'll include a love triangle which will make it 3 times as good and earn 3 billion at the box office"

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 12:19 p.m. CST

    New Title Should Be...

    by Cyrus Clops

    Since the second film took a cue from the comics (i.e. "The Dark Knight"="The Dark Knight Returns" and/or "Legends of the Dark Knight"), why not continue in that vein? Call it "Shadow of the Bat." It continues the naming trend, is a nod to the comics, and the Warners marketing people will have an easier time of it with the word "Bat" actually in there.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Yeah, don't rush it

    by BizarroJerry

    I'd hate to see another flick rushed into production. Unfortunately, studio execs don't have patience enough to not make a quick sequel, for fear they will lose the momentum of the past film.<p>I do think that a Mr. Freeze story could be made in such a way to fit into the world of these films. Just turn down the sci-fi angle and make his suit and equipment look more like something that could be made with current technology. The dark Animated Series Freeze is the starting point. And yes, Freeze's loss of humanity can be played in a way that has Bruce fearing he's losing his humanity, as well. Also, I even think Robin could be done right.<p>And finally, "The Dark Knight Returns" should never be made into a movie. I've always seen that story as a kind of alternate reality future Batman. Leave it where it is, in comics. I think WB wouldn't want to do a non-mainstream Batman movie, anyway. Besides, how much darker can things get than this past flick?

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Nolan and cast returning

    by welsh_bullfrog_goon

    Don't Bale and th rest of the actors sign up for roles a good year or two ahead ahead of production? so even if pre-production begins next year, nolan has to produce a script, and it would have to be very good to match tdk, this all sounds rushed to me, personally i don't think we will see a third batman film for atleast 3 to 4 years and that seems adequate to me because i don't want nolan rushing anything, he should take his time.

  • Too many people will bring up the memory of the Frank Miller novel.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 12:35 p.m. CST

    POISON IVY

    by zom-bot.com

    a brilliant powerful and cunning woman.... possibly an eco terrorist with a grudge against wayne enterprises or one of it's arms..also possibly (another side?) a professional madame (think lady heather from CSI) who is making a list of names of high end clients, luring them in just to destroy their careers as heads of ruthless eco-unfriendly companies.<P>i don't see her as a movie LEADER, but she'd make an interesting side note.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 12:36 p.m. CST

    What was that psycho's name?

    by Codename V

    who had all the marks all over his body? Zasj or something... I remember reading his storyline a long time ago thinking how cool a movie it would make. Batman using his detective skills chasing a serial killer... Plus, he escaped in Begins...

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 12:36 p.m. CST

    I just want to see the Dinosaur and the Giant Coin

    by RobertBaron

    in the BatCave in 3rd one. I don't care about anything else after that.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 12:37 p.m. CST

    starting pre-production next year

    by IndyAbbey Jones

    starting pre production next year is not out of the ordinary for a 2011 movie, set and props need to be built filimg wouldn't commence untill end of summer or early fall 2009, but the contruction part and planning part would be expected to start as easly as feb or march next year <P>you people make it sound like you think that cause it's starting next year it'll be out next year, whts wrong with you<P>as for villans, riddler is too close to joker, i say use penguin as an arms dealer taking over the mob in batmans absense and indroduce mr freeze as someone who's lost everything and want to make gotham pay, also use scarcrow again, not overdone but use him in some aspect<P>mr freeze can be indroduced and still have a real world feel, just tweak the science a little bit, i mean we've already seen reality being bend a little with all the gadgets that batman has.. theres no difference from a freeze machine and batmans memory fabric cape

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 12:38 p.m. CST

    "Shadow of the Bat" would be a great title

    by jim

    Alludes to the increasing effect Batman has had on Gotham, both good and bad.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 12:39 p.m. CST

    SHADOW OF THE BAT- agreed.

    by zom-bot.com

    it has bat in title. execs will pee with delight. it's a nod to the comics..and it's very symbolic of batman in hiding, on the run, and those left in the shadow of all the things that happened in dark knight. <P>also, if it's true that 'night is darkest before the dawn', well- there are no shadows at night, so a shadow would indicate at least the start of the light.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 12:40 p.m. CST

    I just can't see how this would be good

    by shitstorm23

    They blew their load on TDK. Batman's greatest 2 villains, Joker & Two-Face, are both gone. While they could bring Joker back, it would be so difficult without Ledger, and seem kind of phony. But, they did it with Rachel's character, so you never know. <p> The Joker's story is done, the only thing left would be his trial, but you lose out on having Two-face show up during it, and you couldn't wrap an entire movie around the trial, it would need to be in the background of a larger more important story. Catwoman is a little silly in Nolan's world. The only bigger thing in Batman's life is Robin, but I can't see them going in that direction. <p>Although, if you lifted a few ideas here and there, the Dark Victory beginning, maybe even a little from ASB&R, with Robin almost killing someone (not GL, obviously). It wouldn't be terrible, but it just couldn't top TDK.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Batman Strikes Back

    by eggart

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 12:42 p.m. CST

    with a hammer through all your windshields

    by eggart

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Guy Pearce as the Riddler

    by JRcanReid

    Search your feelings. You know it to be true.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Look, we can all agree it can't top TDK

    by chrth

    So, the goal would be not to. Think (and Bat) Different.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Yup

    by JRcanReid

    http://www.reelfellas.com/images/memento.jpg

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Please, be smarter than Fox.

    by thedarklinglord

    If they seriously want to keep milking Batman as a franchise - a SUCCESSFUL franchise - then they should do whatever it takes to keep Nolan in the game as director and writer/co-writer. While I think it's unlikely that they'll ever be able to top the success of The Dark Knight - unless another major actor kicks after filming (Caine or Freeman wanna take one for the team? I'm kidding! I'd hate to lose either of those guys, especially Morgan Freeman) - Nolan is really the only guy with the passion, the vision, and the skill to continue the Batman story as we've come to know and love it on the screen. Going into a third movie without Nolan would be just as bad as going forward without Christian Bale. <br> If they're absolutely set on having a Batman project in theaters and Nolan isn't ready/willing right now, I'd strongly suggest they go in a different direction by possibly starting a Batman Beyond franchise. It's still Batman, still Gotham, still the same dark and noir style, but it doesn't have to impact what Nolan has already established. Of course, if they wanted to keep the connection, and if Bale was interested, they could always keep him as Batman and just age him with make-up (which would, in my opinion, be better than casting an older actor who might potentially die, forcing them to recast if the first film is successful enough to warrant a franchise). So long as they don't cast that ingrown pubic hair Shia as Terry McGinnis, it's all good. <br> Just, please, don't pull a Fox/Rothman and clusterfuck what finally has the promise of becoming the James Bond of comic movies. Only, you know, with actual substance and acting.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Shadow of the Bat.

    by UltimaRex

    That's what I want the title to be. Everything else I leave in Nolan's very capable hands.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 12:57 p.m. CST

    "Batman's absence"

    by BizarroJerry

    A bunch of people here have posted assuming Batman will be absent for a while. I didn't get that idea from the end of the film. He's just now becoming a full-fledged outlaw, like Robin Hood or somebody. I don't think he's leaving.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 12:59 p.m. CST

    THE DARK KNIGHT IN METROPOLIS

    by JDanielP

    SHADOW OF THE BAT is cool. With a Robin origin (and odds are, THAT won't happen), I like... UNDER THE WING OF BATMAN. But I've put enough thought into the possibilities...and I REALLY wanna see Superman and Batman be enemies first, then friends. And I do soo0OO00ooo want to see Nolan give it his life-like magic.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 1:01 p.m. CST

    I want it to be called THE CAPED CRUSADER...

    by unionJACKass.webs.com

    ... and either Seymour Hoffman or Bruno Ganz as The Penguin, and Paul Bettany as The Riddler!!

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 1:03 p.m. CST

    THE PENGUIN = = SEAN ASTIN

    by Squashua

    Go see "Borderland" and my rationale will be revealed to you.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Johnny Smith

    by unionJACKass.webs.com

    As if Chris Nolan would have Simon Pegg in one of his BATMAN films?!?! That idea sounds fucking horrible.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 1:05 p.m. CST

    worst thing dark knight did

    by zom-bot.com

    was kill two face.<P>they really shot themselves in the foot, painted themselves in the corner, whatever...they could have had him be totally M.I.A...he could have been secreted away to arkham to save face (ahem, no pun intended), and if you don't like the idea of harvey dent being held in secret, they could have made the accident and everything have brought out harvey-two-face in full, pushing the good personality into submission or amnesia...until drama requires batman to force him to 'look inside himself' at some crucial moment.<P> the second they show that harvey was dead, i lost respect. they pulled a burton schumacher. if anyone can explain why he had to die, please do. <P>not only that, how many times have we seen batman disarm a suspect without pushing him off a building before. it wasn't needed. he could have pushed him to the floor or lunged and grabbed the gun...or taken the bullet. it was a cheap idea. that's my two cents.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 1:11 p.m. CST

    I HOPE IT'S AS GOOD AS THE BOURNE MOVIES

    by BringingSexyBack

    Less talking, more shaking!!!

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 1:12 p.m. CST

    GET RID OF THE BAT VOICE!!!!!

    by BringingSexyBack

    It's irritating!

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 1:13 p.m. CST

    "explain why he had to die" ... how's this:

    by chrth

    the purpose of the skin is to protect the body from infection. Once Two-Face refused the skin grafts, he effectively sealed his own death warrant. Two-Face didn't want to live.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Joker should be played by CGI de-aged Nicholson

    by su12345

    seriously. the only thing that can out-hype ledger's joker is this. studio sure loves hype.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Er, *signed* his own death warrant (and the voice)

    by chrth

    The voice didn't bother me, because Frank Miller mentioned it in Year One (I forget the exact line, something about a growl)

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Hey BSB: Loved the What's Eating Barney's Frank line

    by chrth

    LOVED IT

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 1:15 p.m. CST

    shadow of the bat is kinda a lame title

    by IndyAbbey Jones

    it sounds "fan filmy" to a certain degree, plus it doesn't have the same punch or even roll off the tongue as easy as the first two movies, <P> It's a shame Batman returns was already used because that would be a perfect title<P>the title should be simple and describe the events or atmosphere of the movie, or describes a certain character. like if they go with mr freeze then call the movie "Sonar chill" or if the villan is riddler then call the movie "Nocturnal mysteries" <P>i mean those 2 suck and i in no way actually think thats what they should call the movie, but i can't think of any decent ones so i used those as example of how the title needs to relate...i actually think "3atman" would look pretty cool . if nolan doesn't return give shumacher another shot, he'd totally call it 3atman...and add 2 nipples to the top of the M

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 1:17 p.m. CST

    by deadboy1313

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 1:18 p.m. CST

    THANKS CHRTH

    by BringingSexyBack

    Gay porn always brings out the best in me.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 1:18 p.m. CST

    This should be a no-brainer for WB

    by moviemaniac-7

    Come on, give Nolan a three picture deal (final cut, budgets up to a 100 milion no questions asked, etc.), but tell him his next movie has to be Bats 3 (The Caped Crusader being a solid title, I think). Bring the trilogy to a decent close. We all saw what happened to X-Men if the original talent leaves & the studio takes over. Warners should be (and is) smarter than Fox in that department.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Harley Quin

    by jazzdownunder

    Nolan's Gotham is a REAL city. Nolan's Batman is inspired by, but not dogmatic about, the Canon. Arkham is a recurring fixture in Nolan's Gotham. The Joker's own story is done, but the Joker has other stories. Dr Harley Quin, assigned to the case of The Joker after he is committed to Arkham, falls for The Joker. There is no need to see this. We see Harley Quin - the RESULT of her exposure to and infatuation with The Joker and the man she believes he was or could have been. She sees Batman as responsible for his fall. She's on the "inside" of institutional Gotham - she can be a villain (working against Batman) whilst being a good-guy - working with the police against Batman. The potential for richness and (plot) tension in such a storyline is fairly clear I would have thought. No need to have her prancing about in an actual Harlequin costume. For the necessary variety and criminal underworld dimension, add in a realistic Penguin (portly, beak nosed criminal mob boss - no flippers, no squawking, no actual goddam penguins) thinking - wrongly of course - to exploit the lawless void created by Batman's being "on the run".

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 1:20 p.m. CST

    nocturnal mysteries?!

    by zom-bot.com

    isn't that what happens when a teenage boy creams his sheets?

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 1:20 p.m. CST

    They ought to do the Venom story

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    Not where Bane breaks his back, but where Batman gets hooked on Venom<p> What was the tage line? *He'll do anything to fight crime. This time he's gone to far* or something like that.<p> It would provide the backstory for Bane to appear in a future movie.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Man-Bat

    by deadboy1313

    You want to top TDK? Try going back to those gothic Neal Adams stories from the '70's and bring in Man-Bat plus Ra's Al Ghul and Talia.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Production early next year...

    by Reckoner

    is BS. They haven't written a word of the script and Nolan is taking a 6 month vacation. It will take a few years for a movie of this scale to be completed...

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Riddler = John Malkovich

    by JethroBodine

    'Nuff said!

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 1:34 p.m. CST

    dvdbob, I heartily agree...

    by Logan-X

    That was the first thing I thought of after reading this article, but more about Nolan being able to take his time with this, and less about the history of his movies. I pray that Warners does not go the way of Fox and push so hard to have this movie out yesterday that they push Nolan away from the property. The only difference here is that Nolan really is the main creative push for Batman, while with X-Men it was a combination of Singer and Tom DeSanto (who was also conspicuously absent from X3). As for villains, I'm partial to Catwoman. She's sexy and an outlaw and would work well in this world that Nolan has created. The Burton Catwoman was a joke (resurrected by cats? Please.) and I would love to see the Catwoman from the Animated Series, the socialite who steals from other socialites, thrown up on the screen in the form of Angelina Jolie. I'd pick Jolie because she simply oozes sex appeal, and she's matured enough as an actress to be seen as a WOMAN not a girl like a lot of other actresses being bandied about, and you need that for this Batman universe. However, Nolan has always had two pots on the stove, and Catwoman would serve as the personal conflict for Batman/Bruce Wayne (because if she's a socialite, he probably knows her out of costume as well). He'll need a threat to the entire city as well and I think he should go with Talia Al Ghul, played by Rachel Weisz. She's in town looking for revenge on Batman or is simply trying to complete the work her father started. The love triangle that would develop would add a very human dimension to Batman/Bruce as he copes with the death of childhood sweetheart, Rachel. Also, if Nolan is looking to get out with the third movie, it brings the whole thing full circle with the first movie and Ra's Al Ghul. I agree that "Shadow of the Bat" would be the best title for this third installment. Then, once Batman has redeemed himself by toppling the League of Shadows, call Batman 4 "The Caped Crusader" and bring in the Riddler, possibly even with a new director and Batman as I'm sure Nolan won't go past three films and Bale has stated he's not interested unless Nolan's involved.

  • ...DARK VICTORY. Make it happen, Nolan!

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 1:37 p.m. CST

    guy pearce is the riddler!!!

    by Six Demon Bag

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 1:37 p.m. CST

    If they go riddler, catwoman, penguin, etc

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    they may as well go bat nipples<p> The nipples can shoot out trailing a wire and act as a taser, also double as an emergency grapple

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 1:38 p.m. CST

    if batman is now the villian then #3 needs a hero.

    by alice 13

    duh.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 1:39 p.m. CST

    I said it before & I'll say it again...

    by tj donkey show

    Ra's Al Ghul returns to destroy Gotham and Batman But this time he brings his new disciple Bane. And Bane is just as good as Batman only younger, stronger, and without Batman's moral inhibitians.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Batman 3: Bat Harder

    by Banzai Rootskibango

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Batman With a Vengeance

    by Banzai Rootskibango

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Batman Meets The Wolfman

    by Banzai Rootskibango

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 1:43 p.m. CST

    J Danny P, I'm with you re: Man of Steel

    by Joker Gordon Levitt

    I have bad dreams of a Superman reboot starring a Superman dressed in black, fighting a Kryptonian Lex Luthor. Blech...<br><br>I trusted Nolan with Batman; I trust Nolan with Superman.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 1:44 p.m. CST

    The Dark Knight 2: Electric Boogaloo

    by Banzai Rootskibango

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 1:45 p.m. CST

    OPRAH WINFREY *IS* THE RIDDLER

    by BringingSexyBack

    Nuff said!

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Tennant

    by enderandrew

    The problem with Tennant is the same problem with guys like Bettany. At first they sound good because they might fit in with what we picture when reading comics. Nolan's vision is very realistic, very gritty, and not so colorful. I think the Macy suggestion very much fits in with Nolan's universe.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Sue me if I'm wrong...

    by BiggusDickus

    ...but this movie WILL have Joker as the bad guy and it WON'T be old clips of Heath.<p>No-one is bigger than the franchise and Nolan will be recasting. There's too much money floating around not to. Watch this space, homies...

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 1:51 p.m. CST

    ...and TJ,

    by BiggusDickus

    Bane is just a bad joke.<p>Was in the '90's. Is still now.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 1:51 p.m. CST

    THE DARK KNIGHT: GONE BATTY

    by BringingSexyBack

    You would too if you had to keep up that stupid bat voice!!!

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Dark Knight should have ended

    by blindambition238

    with Harvey in the hospital, Joker still on the loose, and Batman completely dejected. <p> The last 30 minutes of the film could have easily been expanded to do a third chapter, instead of akwardly crammed into a bloated finale.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 1:52 p.m. CST

    TODD PALIN AS ONE OF RIDDLER'S HENCHMEN

    by BringingSexyBack

    He looks that part!

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Who knows how the contracts were laid out?

    by GQtaste

    Correct my if I"m wrong but didn't' all the key people sign a three picture deal?

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Len Wiseman... he makes Uwe Boll look like Spielberg.

    by Damien Chowder

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 1:58 p.m. CST

    On the subject of Batman, Talkbackers sound like...

    by JethroBodine

    On the subject of Batman, Talkbackers sound like they are telling The Aristocrats joke. "You take Batman, and cast him to be played by Andy Dick, and his villans can be The Penguin played by William Shatner, and the The Mad Hatter played by Flavor Flav, and they have all kinds of fights and adventures, and who cares if it's complete and toal shit, it's Batman! Oh yeah, and and you can title the thing The Aristo-Bats!" ~Seriously, I think that's how the Joel Schumacher Batman films were created, so why not let the Talkbackers have a go at it this time around, surely they couldn't do any worse.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 2 p.m. CST

    I disagree Damien Chowder.

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Uwe's movies are fucking hilarious. <p> Len's movies have no emotional effect on me whatsoever. He is incapable of making me laugh or cry. Watching a Len Wiseman movie feels like watching someone hose out the inside of a dirty ice chest for 2 hours.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Title:

    by badboymason

    -"Caped Crusader" is a lame title. seriously. -"Shadow of the Bat" is OK, but agree it doesn't have a nice a ring as "Batman Begins" or "The Dark Knight". -My suggestion: "Knightfall"

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 2:06 p.m. CST

    its gonna be GOTHAM....

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    isn't this known somehow?

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Chris Tucker for the Riddler

    by fastcars

    Do you hear them? The words? THAT ARE COMING OUT OF MY MOUTH

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Batman 3 title: 'Gotham City'

    by Joker Gordon Levitt

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 2:07 p.m. CST

    gothamburning.blogspot.com

    by Joker Gordon Levitt

    movie posters

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 2:07 p.m. CST

    hmm...seems a bit rushed

    by RockLobster800

    I mean Im all for a new one (TDK is the film of the year....you all know this to be true) but consider how long Nolan took to come up with it-he made another film inbetween for Godssake! I think they should take their time here-TDK is a tough flick to follow, especially seeing as it set up a fantastic recurring villain who would be difficult to bring back now...throwing a third into production due to the success of TDK is a mistake-give them some time to come up with the goods. They took 3 years for the second one but that baby's script was friggin airtight(seriously no matter what problems you have with the story, writing wise it is a fatastic script-even the opening line says something about the story and thats alays a good sign in my book)

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 2:07 p.m. CST

    dark shadows

    by zom-bot.com

    just combine the best titles to get 'dark shadows. and then call bruce Barnabus. and make him a vampire. and have it be like a soap opera.<P>oh yeah, that was done decades ago...somone better tell tru blood.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 2:07 p.m. CST

    nevermind, I like Dickblood's better: GOTHAM

    by Joker Gordon Levitt

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 2:08 p.m. CST

    BATMAN DIES... that's the best possible title.

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    That's the best title with "Batman" in the title that could pack the theaters.<p>Here's my thoughts that no one will read:<p>Batman is constantly hunted by the police, so Harvey Dent's martyrdom won't be in vain. Oswald Chesterfield Cobblepot would be the villain, an obese or overweight but always impeccably well dressed and manicured wealthy inheritor of an arms dealing company who is fighting his own war on Gotham's terror but ultimately funding and supplying the criminals with lethal weapons. A headline could read "From Eagle of Freedom to Penguin of Crime."<p>Batman is forced to escalate his methods but the people that embrace him as a hero begin to mimic him, but they use Cobblepot's readily available weapons. And people die dressed as Batman and kill dressed as Batman (this ties in to the foreshadowing of the vigilante gang in THE DARK KNIGHT) There is some crazy media seeker Batman want-to-be vigilante who calls himself Man-Bat.<p>Bruce Wayne must consider what he has created. Batman and Gordon are at a loss, innocent people are dying.<p>BATMAN: There needs to a light to shine on the good people of Gotham.<p>GORDON: The problem with light is the shadows. Too many Batmen in the shadows these days. Even my daughter runs around the house with a cape and mask.<p>BATMAN: Shadows... <p>GORDON: Many of these shadows are trying to do the right thing, like you. But there's too much disorder. It's too easy to get guns and weapons. These Batmen are in league with the wrong shadows.<p>BATMAN: The League of Shadows...escalation.<p>I warned you about escalation, but you did the right thing. If we could escalate less death, escalate less crime, but the people in shadows... <p>BATMAN: Most people are good. They have Dent to thank for that.<p>GORDON: They have you to thank for that.<p>BATMAN:Dent must always be the Gotham's White Knight, the shining example of what is good.<p>GORDON:What about the darkness? What about the downtrodden? What about those in league with the shadows?<p>BATMAN: You warned me of it. Escalation. The League of Shadows need a new leader. The Dark Knight.<p>GORDON:This is going to get worse before it gets better.<p>Basically Bruce Wayne allows a massive amount of Wayne Enterprises non-lethal weapons into the hands of the Batman impersonators, cheaper and faster and ultimately forces Cobblepot out of the market. The violence escalates. Batman becomes the DARK KNIGHT, leader of the League of Shadows. It gets worse before it gets better. Bruce Wayne can take no more. Batman can take to more. Too many people are still getting hurt.<p>Unless Batman dies... by doing the right thing and the League will follow.<p>Ultimately Batman is killed. He is a martyr. He is THE DARK KNIGHT. The city mourns. The League of Shadows heals the city, citizens doing the right thing for others. Cobblepot mysteriously disappears. Lucious Fox uses a device that makes the non-lethal weapons deactivate.<p> Gordon looks down on the shining city from atop the roof of the police headquarters.<p>GORDON: Things are looking good, things are getting better.<p>A businessman stands behind him.<p>GORDON: But it got worse before it got better. (He looks at the man behind him) But it's better. <p>The businessman begins to walk away.<p>GORDON: But there's still some shadows...<p>The businessman step into the light, it's Bruce Wayne, the audience gasps because he's supposed to be dead!<p>WAYNE: There's always shadows, just a lot less of them these days. Batman is dead. DNA analysis proved that Cobblepot was Batman.<p>GORDON: My little girl still runs around the house in a cape and mask. What happens when she gets older? What happens if the light dims?<p>Bruce Wayne steps back into the shadows.<p>WAYNE: Then THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS.<p>Fade to black and run credits.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 2:09 p.m. CST

    so, about Superman

    by Joker Gordon Levitt

    anybody think Nolan CANNOT make Superman a relevant character?

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 2:11 p.m. CST

    In a perfect world Nolan would...

    by wowsah156

    Watch every single season of HBO's The Wire. He would cast Brad Dourif has the Riddler. Nascar-beast for the new "Tumbler". Grey combat suit; black cape. Full batcave in operation with computers and science lab. Gordon with the grwey hair due to work related stress. Mr Szazz being huntee down by The Bat. And a coy reference to "the alien" who we know is Supes/Ka-El.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 2:12 p.m. CST

    DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD ok then

    by Damien Chowder

    Len Wiseman... he makes Ratner look like Kubrick. <p> And fuck Chris Tucker and his stupid shrill voice up Jackie Chan's ass.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 2:12 p.m. CST

    oh and Sean Maher as The Riddler...

    by RockLobster800

    ...he can do cold calculating, super intellignet and a little smug in his sleep....actually Philip Seymour Hoffman would be a great Riddler too, but everyone is set on him for Cobblepot...I think Black Mask (a natural progression from gothams gangsters in freak villains is there) and the Riddler pushing bats to his limits could be cool....alas, its still no Bats versus Mr. J which is always automatically compelling :(

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 2:14 p.m. CST

    TDK & 9/11

    by Joker Gordon Levitt

    Calling The Joker a terrorist, and various other references to our era made TDK less about comic books, and more about maintaining a political climate. <br><br>If this movie is released around 2010, 2011, then I presume the major issues will be the environment, and the economy. <br><br> Superman and Ra's al Ghul would address these issues closely. (No Mr. Freeze/Global Warming from Nolan)

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 2:15 p.m. CST

    FUCK RIDDLER! BRING BLACKMASK!

    by most excellent ninja

    Nolanized Blackmask. Like a brutal freak mob boss.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Batman 3: Rise of the Fallen

    by Damien Chowder

    Fuck you Hollywood I love how crap you are.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 2:18 p.m. CST

    anybody else catch 'killer' croc in TDK?

    by zom-bot.com

    i don't know if it was MEANT to be him, or if it was just a nod to killer croc since we'll never see a lizard guy on screen...but one of the joker's goons, a black guy in a green surplus jacket...he's billed as 'croc' and his hair was cornrowed in a very particular way: one thick row in the middle, with the other rows getting thinner as they go down the sides, like the pattern of scales on an aliigator (or croc's) back.<P>it would have been cool if that goon had some bad skin or scarring too, but oh well.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 2:19 p.m. CST

    'killer' croc: scene

    by zom-bot.com

    oh yeah, he's most notable in the scene where the joker is brought in the bodybag, he's on the screen right.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Turkish Batman

    by Kentucky Colonel

    After seeing that...well...why not just release that straight to theaters? An instant classic!

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 2:27 p.m. CST

    I misread Merrick's first line as "Batman" was in the title.

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    Oh well, I sorta like my synopsis for a film that will never be.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 2:30 p.m. CST

    give us a BATMAN movie.....

    by j2talk

    The Dark Knight was good- I said it- but the twists could have been seen a mile off....Gordon,Rachel,the Ferry anyone not see those coming??? Ledger was good as the joker but to say he's the ONLY person that could have done it or that he couldnt be replaced? PLEASE, the only remarkable thing about the performance was the fact that none of his previous work hinted that he had it in him- not saying it wasn't a good performance just he did what he was hired to do..And now on to batman 3....lets focus on batman this time,he's the reason we go to the movie, he should be on screen and should be the focus of the tale....seriously was Batman in film other than the first/last 10 min?

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 2:32 p.m. CST

    knightfall is a pretty good title

    by IndyAbbey Jones

    its one word, connects to the second film by using the word knight and is suitable for the character<P>oh and if they go with riddler, i second guy pierce..but play him as very neurotic, even lose weight and become very skinny and sickly looking..not a psychopath like joker, but a man so smart that he never fit in socially, and hates the world because they never included him, its perfect for nolan as the riddler would be a social outcast of his own doing, and angry at others all the while it is himself that never allowed him to be accepted<P>if pierce doesn't want the part then daniel day lewis would be my second choice

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 2:40 p.m. CST

    all the best riddler concepts..

    by zom-bot.com

    i've read here or made up myself have all the same good things in common. a reclusive, intelligent outcast. like a unabomber type, posing moral or social riddles to society as a whole. intricate crimes that turn a mirror on society and expose or kill (by their own fault) those he has judged. unfortunately the baddie from SAW has kind of done this first, but who says these have to be dark, gory crimes? they can be very mocking and non-violent, but no less dangerous or troubling. i want a riddler who we never see in full glory until the end of the movie. any scenes during will be teases. a mouth on the phone, a hand making a bomb, his emaciated back as he works out religiously (but no no use- as he stays in hiding) in his hideout...etc...it will be a great challenge for the right actor to emote what needs to be expressed with nothing but vocals and closeups. Spacey wowed us this way in se7en, i say we need a SE7EN for the 2000's.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Why not invent a new villain?

    by animadictio

    I trust Nolan to add to the Batman universe. Certainly, lesser comic book writers have done so. Why limit himself to retreads of old stories?

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 2:49 p.m. CST

    another reason for the riddler...

    by zom-bot.com

    is that is will bring detective skills to the forefront and be a good test of bruce's own mind. the riddler isn't a guy who does a bunch of corny puns and riddles that ceaser romero's joker would have turned down, he should pose some real tough questions, leave totally obscure (it seems at first) clues...after all, he thinks he is better than everyone else. he leaves clues because he thinks no stupid gothamite or cop will ever figure it out..and somehow because he hopes that someone will sometime, and be his mental equal, and he will not be alone in the world of idiots..he has to have such a high IQ that he is socially . everyday life and people repulse him. he doesn't understand them.he feels above them.. they are so banal. they eat sleep shit fuck and die....etc....meanwhile the irony is he has shut himself off from the world in his bunker or something, orchestrating plots and manipulating other people's lives because he doesn't have his own. GIVE US A DARK RIDDLER!

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 2:50 p.m. CST

    a you Riddler called Kiddy Riddler

    by Damien Chowder

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 2:54 p.m. CST

    meant to say:

    by zom-bot.com

    ..'he has such a high IQ that he is socially...RETARDED'..kind of..heh heh

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 2:57 p.m. CST

    A newly invented villain?

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    No fucking way. Why the fuck would they do that if they have 20 + cool villains to choose from.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 3:04 p.m. CST

    You know what might be the reason to speed this....

    by The Dum Guy

    At least one reason, is the age of the actors. Freeman could'a died in that car crash, and Caine ain't young.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 3:04 p.m. CST

    no new villains.

    by zom-bot.com

    it would require toooo much on the writer's part and would be rejected by the public no matter how well it turns out. what they can do is mix and match, combine traits, or keep tying characters to each other, which can be enriching. say, Kurt langstrom and Victor fries worked in the same lab on various aspects of life extension or physical rehabilitations...maybe they'd work together again sometime, or maybe they hate each other. Selina Kyle and Poison Ivy used to run in the same eco terrorist groups, but had a falling out- selina was just in it for the rush and Pamela takes the movement too seriously...etc..

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 3:06 p.m. CST

    I wish I could have seen the same movies...

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    ...everyone else who watched TDK and Indy 4 saw. It would be cool to be getting excited about all of this.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Bane is to Batman what Venom is to Spider-man

    by jim

    A decent character when first introduced back in the day but, other than a couple of good stories, is way overhyped as a villain.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 3:09 p.m. CST

    ARKHAM

    by Malicoire

    Hugh Laurie as Joker, Charlize Theron as the person that ends up being Poison Ivy, Cillian Murphy reprising his role as Dr. Crane, more fear toxin shenanigans, Wayne calls in Theron's character, a world renowned biologist to help figure out the fear toxin. Poster: http://i35.tinypic.com/o08glu.jpg

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Daniel Day-Lewis = The Riddler

    by eXcommunicated

    Eva Green = Catwoman

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Two - Face is not dead

    by dirtsandwich

    An interview with Aaron, he said that he didn't know if it was appropriate for his character to come back, now that Heath haddied.(implying he was suppose to along with The Joker continuing). He said that was up to Nolan.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 3:16 p.m. CST

    There are two problems

    by christpunchers2007

    1. How to make Batman an interesting focus again... TDK wouldn't have been as good if not for Heath's amazing Joker. This time they have to make the primary focus, the Batman, as a villian that the new villain tries to undermine. This is where Riddler is perfect. 2.How will the new villain(s) be better or at least on par with Joker? They have to look the other way, not to outdo Joker's craziness, otherwise people will keep comparing the new guys to Heath. Have Riddler infiltrate Police department, trick them into believing that he's on their side. I want to see a "hero" praised for bringing Batman in. Maybe Bane could work if Ras comes back and corrupts the Police once more.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 3:18 p.m. CST

    cool...Daniel Day doing a Sean Connery impersonation..

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    ....wearing a green suit with question marks on it. FUCK YES!!

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Batman should be more nuts than usual...

    by L. Ron Bumquist

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 3:23 p.m. CST

    "New direction" and Nolan-less

    by Charlie_Allnut

    Yeah that would be a brilliant move. BTW that clip is hilarious. James Bond music, batman driving an old sedan!

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 3:28 p.m. CST

    here's a new villain:

    by zom-bot.com

    in the same vein of the riddler, hugh grant is THE STAMMERER!<P> "I um, er, that is to say, I wish to ask of you, that is, erm, if i might be so bold, asking of you, a man drerssed as a rather large but handsome i should say, flying rodent as it were, to ah, riddle me this, i do say?

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 3:29 p.m. CST

    like I was going to say

    by L. Ron Bumquist

    Batman should be more nuts than usual. With Rachel dead he doesn't have much reason to be Bruce anymore and Batman is taking over his mind. Fox has turned his back on him so he doesn't have those resources and he's now wanted by teh cops so he's keeping a low profile, beating up street level thugs in the most run down part of town. Enter a more 'year one' style Catwoman. They should kill off Alfred too. He's played too fatherly, as is Fox. Dark Knight was like an episode of My Two Dads at times.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 3:35 p.m. CST

    ~~~~~~~"HUNT THE DARK KNIGHT"~~~~~~~

    by The Marquis de Side 3

    I strongly feel "HUNT THE DARK KNIGHT" is such a good title, it sells itself -- we know what we're in for. Kinda has that "oomph" to it like "EMPIRE STRIKES BACK". Definitely should have the Riddler but also Rupert Thorne as the mob boss with a young Tony Zucco at his side. With Catwoman after Batman, definitely set up Sarah Essen after Gordon, and no one comes out clean.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 3:41 p.m. CST

    The Night is Darkest just before the dawn.

    by kaiser117

    here's the plan..... Batman is on the run from the cops. Wayne Enterprises is in trouble from a rival mega-corporation. And the mobs of Gotham are in financial ruin and out for Batman's blood. Wayne Enterprises is being bought out by none other than Talia Al Ghul. The mobs trick a mercenary from South America to take on the Bat. Bane (not a freakishly strong and muscular hulk, but a very strong, drug-addicted master strategist) goes to work for the mob. Talia and Bruce have that nice sexual tension. Bane fights Batman and either busts him up good or snaps his back. the cops show up and arrest the broken Batman. Gordon makes sure no one takes off his mask but eventually the broken Batman escapes. Bane comes to collect his dough from the mob and finds out they dont have the cash. So a recovering Batman (aided by some awesome robotics from Lucius) has to come to the Mob's rescue. Meanwhile Talia has almost crippled Wayne Enterprises and Bruce finds out she's behind his company's imminent demise. Batman defeats Bane and rushes to find Talia...and her father. Batman discovers Ras and Talia's plot to destroy Gotham and Batman. When Talia finds out that Bruce is Batman she betrays her father and helps Batman stop his destructive plan. Somehow the public finds out about Batman's heroics and they reconsider the whole murder thing. And Gordon and the police and everyone are involved too. maybe involve Coleman Reese and do a "visit" to Arkham to say hi to the Joker, but not give the Joker any lines. Also, no Robin. please. The End Call it: "Batman Vengence" or something cooler

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 3:46 p.m. CST

    I wouldn't mind a new direction.

    by Knuckleduster

    Something ridiculously gothic with a Batman that looks like the one Kelley Jones used to draw.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Opening: Harvey revives on a slab with a wind sucking stereotype

    by Its a LION

    Fade to black. "Six months later" flashes on the screen and the movie commences.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 3:52 p.m. CST

    talia doesn't 'buy out' waynetech

    by zom-bot.com

    but they do business together- until bruce finds that through these transactions he has secretly been funding...da da da duhhhhhh- the league of shadows!<P> synopsis:Bruce ditches the batman act for awhile, goes back to being bruce wayne, industrialist. the merger with talia's company seems solid and she and him are falling for each other. the things that thr riddler is doing (exposing and ridiculing the lives of gotham's elite) brings out some interesting facts - waynetech is funneling money to terrorists. bruce realizes talia is an al'ghul, and dons the suit again to fight the league of shadows and uncover the riddler's other plots.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 3:58 p.m. CST

    if it has anything to do with Al-Ghul horse shit...I'm out...

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    ....thats exactly what made Begins suck donkey dick.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Riddler can be threatening, without goint all joker

    by David Cloverfield

    There's a Riddler story, where he just starts exposing the secrets of people (celebrities, politicians, etc.) which throws the city into chaos (riots, shootings). Another one, where he becomes obsessed with Gotham's history, and puts Batman through this crazy occult ceremony, trying to prove that Gotham is Batman,and Batman is Gotham. And at the end of the day, he should just try to pull off the Heist of the century. Now that I think about it, Die Hard With a Vengeance had a great Riddler. Joker wanted to prove Gotham is just like him. Riddler wants to prove he's smarter than a whole city.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 4:07 p.m. CST

    I like Bane as much as I like Clayface

    by Joker Gordon Levitt

    ... not too much, actually.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 4:08 p.m. CST

    D Cloverfield

    by Joker Gordon Levitt

    would Riddler want to be smarter than the whole city? Or just Batman?

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Barry Pepper for The Riddler

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 4:17 p.m. CST

    THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS

    by lostbat

    Keep it simple folks. NO SIDE KICKS. NO CAT WOMAN Riddler: Guy Pearce /William Macy/ Steve Buscemi Pinguin: Philippe Hoffman Seymour / Jack Black (1st time bad ass) Bane: Mickey Rourke /Billy Bob Thornton Thats it!!

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 4:18 p.m. CST

    oooh, Barry Pepper, I like it.

    by Joker Gordon Levitt

    I can see an obsessiveness there...

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Bane....Mickey Rourke? Oh fuck that.

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Thats some Sin City bullshit. Keep Bane the fuck out of this...

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 4:20 p.m. CST

    Love interest

    by Joker Gordon Levitt

    does Batman need one? <br><br>Catwoman<br>Talia<br>Ivy<br>

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 4:25 p.m. CST

    but Barry Pepper ist the man?????

    by lostbat

    talking bout bullshit.....

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 4:35 p.m. CST

    They could get Hector Elizondo to play Bane

    by Joker Gordon Levitt

    he already does the voice, I think he could bulk up, he's still pretty young.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 4:37 p.m. CST

    Javier Bardem=Bane

    by odo19

    If he can bulk up enough that is.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Riddler

    by jackalcack

    Why does everyone keep suggesting Johnny Depp for this role? Don't get me wrong, I don't hate the guy or anything but recently his output has been so damn weak. Willy Wonka, Jack Sparrow, Sweeney Todd. I don't think I can take the guy seriously anymore and to me he feels like an awkward fit for Nolan's world. I'd like someone genuinely creepy like Michael Emerson or Steve Buscemi

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 4:42 p.m. CST

    BAT TO THE FUTURE

    by turketron

    great scott!

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Hey Dickblood, how come you hate Ra's al Ghul?

    by Joker Gordon Levitt

    I always thought he was out of place in the mythos, but was used effectively in the film.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 4:43 p.m. CST

    BRUCE ALMIGHTY

    by turketron

    oops, already been used...

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 4:45 p.m. CST

    hell yeah MICHAEL EMERSON

    by turketron

    Just cast Ben from Lost as the villain, with no explanation for why he shows up in the damn batman's universe. Have him beat the shit out of Batman with that extendable baton before having Batman awaken in his bat-plane, which crashes on an island in the south pacific.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Film it back to back to back with Batman 4 & 5

    by snowtires

    and do Knightfall.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Dickblood

    by odo19

    Right on about Uwe Boll movies. In the name of the King was the best comedy of the year. I found myself out of breath laughing more than a few times. I'll take hammy performances from Ray Liotta and Burt Reynolds and inexplicable ningas over Forgetting Sarah marshall and Hamlet 2 anyday.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 4:55 p.m. CST

    longest talkback ever

    by Timahh

    for something where no real news is discussed.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 5 p.m. CST

    the only true actor who could handle riddler is

    by Joker Gordon Levitt

    Christoher Walken. Riddle. Me this.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 5:02 p.m. CST

    You could bring the joker back

    by Dapper Swindler

    Just get someone to wear the makeup like Heath and emulate Heath's performance. Heath gets credited for inventing that joker performance, but now that it's been invented it can be emulated by someone else. Therefore, don't worry about casting someone big for the joker, just get someone who can act like heath acting like the joker.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 5:04 p.m. CST

    like joespeh gordon levitt?

    by Joker Gordon Levitt

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Why are they trying to rush this?

    by Arteska

    I know that it's obvious because of the ludicrous amount of money that DK made but for God's sake it's pretty obvious how long and hard Nolan and his team worked to make this one. Haven't they earned a respite and haven't they demonstrated that they are the ones to deliver another installment when they are ready to do so? If they keep pressing forward without Nolan or pressuring him to commit his life to these without time for him and his collaborators to incubate another they will live to regret it and they will have ruined what they purport to want to create in the first place.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 5:05 p.m. CST

    I think Joker should appear without makeup in 3

    by Joker Gordon Levitt

    if he shows up at all, he'd be in Arkham. I doubt they'd give him the makeup while in custody.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 5:07 p.m. CST

    And since people keep throwing theirs out

    by Arteska

    I'd say Jennifer Connelly as Catwoman as rendered by Adam Hughes.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Batman Beyond the Cartoon didnt have..

    by emeraldboy

    the joker. But it had the jokers gang plus the picture of the joker was everywhere.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Replacement Joker...

    by Ronimus Prime

    And a more serious, psychotic Harley Quinn. Who rivals the Joker in crazy, and is willing to take him by force if necessary. THAT would be pure win.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Batman Beyond DID have The Joker.

    by Johnny Smith

    There was a DVD movie called Return of the Joker, where Mark Hamill reprised the role.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 5:28 p.m. CST

    And Jennifer Hudson as Amanda Waller? Are you on heroin?

    by Johnny Smith

    CCH Pounder, who voiced Waller on JLU, is perfect for the part in live action, too.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 5:42 p.m. CST

    ruven...

    by Joker Gordon Levitt

    the joker is not riddler. Edward Nygma is The Riddler. <br><br>Also, Batman could be Batman at night, but in the daytime, he's Superman. That could work too, since you're raping origins.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 5:42 p.m. CST

    I agree on Levitt....

    by westie

    I think he would make a great Joker, not play it his own way, but emulate Ledger's part. As for the Riddler, I thin Nick Stahl or Ryan Gosling. Both have the acting chops, even though I think Stahl has that creepy way about him.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Ben Foster anyone?

    by Joker Gordon Levitt

    Riddler?

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Is it too early to break Batman's back?

    by Joker Gordon Levitt

    Should we wait til after Matthew Fox is cast for part 4,5,6?

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Yeah, but I don't think one character

    by Joker Gordon Levitt

    should be another character. Unless its Clayface pretending to be Jason Todd, pretending to be Hush. <br><br> Origins *are* raped all the time, and it blows. I don't count the Joker, because we never knew his definitive origin to begin with.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 6:01 p.m. CST

    still, ruven

    by Joker Gordon Levitt

    props for coming up with a story anyway. I know I sound like a squabbly douchebag, but I dig that you came up with something anyway. <br><br>for the record, I think a 20 years ahead idea is not too shabby. It allows Nolan to begin *AND* end the series. All the other films/directors/sequels become separate as long as Nolan gets his trilogy.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 6:01 p.m. CST

    Seriously, the villain for Batman 3 should be...

    by versatol

    Ras Al Ghul (again), Bane, or some other less famous character. Perhaps throw in a colorful fan favorite as a MINOR character for kicks. Wre need to stop acting like a better Batman movie can't be made because the Joker was the best villiam. Some of the best Bruce Tim cartoons I remember didn't even involve the Joker and some of the best Batman comics I read incorporated minor villians. The movie will definitely NOT top the Dark Knight's performance because of the whole Health's/Joker/Two Face box office gold combo value meal, but a great if not BETTER movie can be made. Even though the DARK KNIGHT is the second movie, it plays like a first movie (hell, many people I know had never even seen Batman Begins). So this third movie can play like the second movie (or the first real sequel). And in superhero movies, part two normally surpasses part 1. So theoretically, the third one can be the best one of all. Less humor. More shock and suspense

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 6:06 p.m. CST

    List of Demands for a 3rd Batman flick:

    by ebonic_plague

    1. No Bane. Bane is lame, even in the comics and cartoons. No Bane, non negotiable. <p> B. No Mr. Freeze. Talk about cartoony. You might as well have Clock King show up. <p> Third- As much as I hate to say it, don't do Harley. Harley works as a second banana to the Joker, and since I doubt we're getting more Joker for the next one, the inclusion of Harley would be forced and kind of ridiculous in Nolan's Bat-verse. <p> IV- I think the only real way to top the high water mark of TDK is to do The Man of Steel vs. The Dark Knight. There's a bit of a set up in the idea of Batman as a dangerous outlaw from the end of TDK, and there's no better way to show that Batman is just a mortal man than to put him up against the big blue boy scout. Bats had his will tested in the first movie, his ideology tested by the Joker and Two Face in the second... the only way I can see them top that is by testing his resilience by putting him up against a status-quo enforcing god from space... and Batman still triumphs. As Frank Miller said in some interview, Batman is a guy who believes the natural state of things is entropy, that the world only makes sense when you force it to... and Superman believes that the world's natural state is in balance and therefore he only seeks to enforce the status quo... these two people would not get along. I think that's the kind of real-world dichotomy that Nolan is good at exploring. <p> 5th- I forget what my next point was so let me just reiterate: No Bane, no Maxie Zeus, no Harley, no Clock King, none of this fanboy-service crap that keeps getting tossed around in here. The biggest suspense of disbelief in these movies should be the guy in the Bat costume not getting killed.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 6:16 p.m. CST

    dear god Matthew Fox would have rocked.....

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    To me Bale is the weakest link in this series.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 6:17 p.m. CST

    what the fuck is up the Ras Al Ghul love?

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    He fucking blew in Begins. Jesus.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 6:23 p.m. CST

    i heard word...

    by Noddy93

    that they're going more the Gaslight road

  • I'm just sayin'

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 6:37 p.m. CST

    ebonic_plague I disagree

    by Animation

    I think the best think they can do is GO with one of the more comic-book "can't exist in our world" villains. Otherwise, this isn't Batman. If you leave out that element, then this franchise is nothing more than a revenge flick franchise with bat ears.<br /><br /> What makes Nolan's universe unique is that it is grounded in a realistic "feel." It means that characters are taken seriously even when they are wacky. It does not mean that the science has to remain grounded. They could totally do a Mr. Freeze or a Bane story and do it well.<br /><br /> Also, I think that doing Batman vs Superman is too soon and is too much like copying the most recent film. Dark Knight (the movie) was already a direct translation IN TONE of the unstable nutjob version of Batman in The Dark Knight Returns (comic book). By doing the very story whose tone you've already done in the previous film, you are just dooming yourself NOT to merely a serious Batman take, but one in which the main character continues to have villainous traits as much or more than heroic ones.<br /><br /> Frankly, the shadow of Frank Miller's non-canon Batman over the franchise (and all of comics) is played out. I don't want to see the movie franchise falling into the same trap. By doing the Superman story from that very series, you pretty much seal it up.<br /><br /> Let the take on Batman remain solemn and gritty, but lets prevent him STAYING in Hell. We don't need more of Frank Miller's character perversions making it into the mainstream take. Batman should be a hero.<br /><br /> On a related note, I also find it disconcerting that the Marvel folks are trying to figure out how to put magical characters and more outlandish Marvel characters into the same universe so they can be in the Avengers movie. I find that frustrating as hell. The technology in the Hulk and Iron Man isn't any more outlandish than the technology in the Spider-Man movies, and there is no reason they can't put Dr Strange or Thor or some magic-wielders in the same universe. Just DO IT.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 6:40 p.m. CST

    no riddler? i kinda like it

    by zom-bot.com

    about as good as never getting to see the riddler is that if the riddler does not exist....as one man. the only thing about having a group of people taking turns or working together as the riddler is that the chances of someone slipping up, getting sloppy, or getting caught and blabbing go up exponentially.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 6:44 p.m. CST

    Ras Al Ghul

    by christpunchers2007

    I don't think that will make a good story.... it could but I definetly don't feel that the audience will care much for another of those mystical stories.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 6:47 p.m. CST

    I'll have to wait for the movie

    by Mockingbuddha

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 6:48 p.m. CST

    I'll have to wait for the movie

    by Mockingbuddha

    to make a final judgement, but the footage I've seen so far is pretty cool.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 6:49 p.m. CST

    The only decent casting choice

    by Mockingbuddha

    is Bea Arthur as The Riddler. And it turns out if you hit enter after the subject line it posts it. Sorry.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 6:54 p.m. CST

    multiple villains could be soooo easy

    by zom-bot.com

    if you didn't devote much time to them. what fans want to see is teases and cameos...the ventriloquist playing a club in the backgroun of a scene. news report about child abductor jervis tetch, episodes of vandalism and ecoterror throughout the movie by poison ivy and crew...etc<P> none of the secondary characters need to drive a movie, but fans will appreciate the morsels and threads woven into the big picture.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 7:07 p.m. CST

    ~~~to Versatol: You're Right -- Batman Begins is Prequel~~~

    by The Marquis de Side 3

    Truth is, I feel like "BATMAN BEGINS", as good as it was, plays out like a decent prequel, with none of the power the rest of the "DARK KNIGHT" franchise should have. "THE DARK KNIGHT" really defined how this franchise should be. Not as much money will the next film make, sure. But a BETTER film? Absolutely possible. Especially if our attitude is "this is not part three, this is part two".

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 7:07 p.m. CST

    LEGEND OF THE BATMAN

    by Chishu_Ryu

    A possible title, being that Ducard states that a "legend" is what Batman needed to become to truly strike fear in the enemy. That way, Batman goes from "Beginnings", to being the "Dark Knight", to the final transformation of being a "Legend" in the third film.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Bale

    by christpunchers2007

    I too felt Bale, though physicall he fit the role, the material he has given led to some very two-tone/wooden acting for the most part. As Bruce he was either too serious (no tormented soul behind his eyes, no feeling of a true psycho like Keaton), or much too carefree (a lighter version of patrick bateman)... as the Bats he was just trying too hard, too serious, where as Keaton's Batman was just cool calm and collected. I think Bale has so much more potential but at times he is just trapped in these last 2 movies, there's not much room for him to do his thing (beyond just looking the part).

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 7:12 p.m. CST

    I guess what I really want to see if Bale

    by christpunchers2007

    going nuts, as Bruce AND Wayne, throwing stuff off the dinner table cuz he can't take Rachel's death and the downfall of Harvey (probably dead). Sure, he's a ninja, but please, let's make Bruce more HUMAN and his Batman more raged, almost unpredictable, boarderline NUTS.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Chishu

    by christpunchers2007

    Why not Gotham's Legend or Legend of Gotham? I like the word "Legend", I hope they can use it cleverly without being corny. Shadow of the Bat is just very corny. Taking the world Bat out of batman and finding a word that associate with Bats (they dwell in the shadows). Might as well call it Revenge of the Batmen, when they come out of the woodworks to avenge the death of their leader Brian whatever his name was.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Batman, the Turkish Knight

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Holy Shit, Batman! You really can find EVERYTHING on YouTube...

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 7:28 p.m. CST

    Anthony Hopkins as Dr. Hugo Strange

    by Nacho.Jones

    Not another criminal 'monicker'. If Nolan is basing this in reality, a brilliant psychotic Dr could do some crazy shit in Gotham.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 7:28 p.m. CST

    I wouldn't count on Joker for the 3rd film...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    The most you'll get is an intro Joker cameo a la Scarecrow in "Dark Knight", probably from behind, incarcerated in Arkham, and complete with an impersonation of Heath's voice and laugh. That's about all you should get...

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 7:33 p.m. CST

    christpunchers

    by Chishu_Ryu

    I, too, like the word "Legend", however, I also think the title needs to have a solid reference to Batman himself. Either Batman, Caped Crusader, Dark Knight, Flying Mouse, something. "Legend of Gotham" doesn't sound so much like a Batman movie as a spinoff or something.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 7:39 p.m. CST

    I heard that

    by Series7

    Johnny Deep and Phillp Seymour Hoffman, where actually going to direct and star in the movie. Hoffman and Deep are both going to be Batman and the Riddler/Clayman from the cartoon show. You know that guy who got the special makeup that made him like a big ball of clay. THAT GUY.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 7:42 p.m. CST

    Clayface is too cartoony....

    by Chishu_Ryu

    ...better suited for like a Tim Burton Batman movie maybe...couldn't see him in a Nolan Batman movie...

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 7:45 p.m. CST

    Why all the Sandy Collora hate?

    by BobaFetish

    The guy spent 35,000 of his own money to do the dark, brooding Batman thing, way before Nolan ever did. Granted, you can't compare the two films, but not giving Collora props for having the foresight and vision to do on film, what no one had done before him, is lame. We have the Nolan films because WB saw the reaction to Collora's film, proving a much darker, gravely voiced, serious take on the character. All the things everyone loves about Begins and TDK, were apparent in Batman Dead End. The dark tone, the color palette, the rain, the voice... Sorry people, Collora did it first. Hate all you want, even I agree that the Alien and Predator angle was stupid, but Collora's very talented. I for one, am really looking forward to his feature.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 7:50 p.m. CST

    I'd count on a Nolan Batman universe Catwoman...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Definitely. The story is wide open for a new romantic lead. Batman is now considered a villain, so he'd, in a way, relate to Catwoman. I know it was done well in Batman Returns, but count on an updated Nolan Brothers version of that relationship, just like we got an updated Nolan Bros. version of the Batman-Joker feud from '89 Batman. Catwoman in the third Batman film. Take that to the bank, or maybe not...

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Animation, you ignorant slut...

    by ebonic_plague

    Eh, just kidding, those aren't bad points, but I disagree with your disagreement with me that the tone of Nolan's Batman movies requires the use of more far-fetched villains in a realistic setting. I think the genius of his approach so far has been that they take what is usually over-the-top comic book canon and present it in a "real" style, ie- that guy who pointed out that Killer Croc was just a fancy name for a uniquely styled street thug, rather than a disbelief shattering hybrid human/reptile thug. It's a nice homage without being so fanciful as to ruin the reality as it is presented. I think Raimi could get away with a lizard-man in the Spider-Man movies, because the established "rules" are a bit more cartoony than actual reality, but not so much in Nolan's Bat-verse, where things (aside from a successful vigilante dressed as a bat) are much more grounded in a comparatively mundane reality. Honestly, I can't think of any scene where a character in Nolan's world could even say the name "Mister Freeze" with a straight face. Even having a crossover with Superman is pushing the limits of the reality that Nolan and Co. have established... not because he's an alien and can fly, but because we're supposed to believe Nolan's Batman would be fooled by a disguise consisting solely of a pair of glasses? A Batman that can take out an entire SWAT team is, IMO, a cut above a Batman that loses a fist fight with a roided out Mexican wrestler. Too far in that direction and you end up with Batman fighting Aliens and Predators and you kill the franchise again. There is a place for that kind of fanciful overkill in the Batman mythos, but I think it's entirely out of place to have that stuff in this "realistic" portrayal of Batman. <p> I do agree with you that it's kind of early to involve Superman and take the whole thing towards Dark Knight Returns, but the reality is that A) WB just made a mint on a "dark" superhero film, so you KNOW that "dark" is the new studio hack blueprint for superheroes for the foreseeable future (remember that note from the WB about their new "dark" direction for all upcoming superhero movies?), and B) "Batman as rogue/troublemaker" would be the only way I can think of to one-up the intensity of the last flick. So if that's the route they're already decided upon, might as well go whole hog and reboot Superman via their existing tentpole superhero, Batman. I'm not suggesting a slavish, Zack Snyder adaptation of DKR, but with all the speculation about what villains could potentially turn up next time, IMO, the really interesting choice would be to take the ultimate good guy and cast him as the unwitting antagonist. To me, that allows much more room to play around with the contrast between these two characters, which is the most interesting thing in these movies, rather than another average 3rd act slugfest between cardboard cutouts (I'm looking at you, Iron Man) that reveals nothing about the characters. We've seen enough navel gazing, I want to see Batman have some fun being the cranky old fascist bastard he truly is at heart, and there's no better foil for the complexity of that character than good ol cornfed Clark.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 8:10 p.m. CST

    I'd count on some version of Robin, too...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Maybe at the end. Something. Sorry, but you can't have Batman without Robin. To not do so would be like ice cream without the cone, like macaroni without the cheese, chicken soup without the rice. Bruce Wayne needs to train a successor to continue the fight for Gotham's soul. And if Bruce Wayne is to grow as a character in these Nolan films, why not grow into a mentor, a teacher? I'm not saying for the whole movie, but it might be a cool way to end the Trilogy, where he begins the training of Dick Grayson...

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 8:25 p.m. CST

    "Riddler" as Reporter

    by Mal Carne

    Try this one on for size: The "Riddler" as a tabloidish, glory-seeking reporter, determined to get to catch Batman and reveal his identity to the world, in the pursuit of justice after Batman killed all those people. Not only does it knock the old interpretations of Riddler back on their heels, it also brings up questions of good and evil in a manner than Dark Knight Returns di so very well.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 8:36 p.m. CST

    The Nolans should bring in a new writer, too...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    At times, the writing of DARK KNIGHT seemed too conscious of itself, particularly with the villains. Perhaps a talented outside writer could keep the Nolan's wordiness in check, and maybe inject some honest emotion into the film. DARK KNIGHT had loads of intellectualism, little true emotion. Maybe, finally, we can truly feel Bruce Wayne's love for whatever new romantic interest pops up, most likely Catwoman. hear that, Nolan brothers? Less talking and philosophising and monologuing, more emotion.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 8:48 p.m. CST

    Bring Back Keaton

    by GeorgieBoy

    He was the best Batman anyway. Give the man a role in the next one.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 8:53 p.m. CST

    John Malkovich as Mr Zsasaz

    by darthvol

    Perfect fit nuff said!

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 9:06 p.m. CST

    Nolan can do anything

    by trombone

    Mr. Freeze: A serial killer who uses liquid nitrogen on his targets. Or who leaves the bodies in freezers. Or even someone who "freezes assets": could be an FBI agent on the cops' side trying to cut off Batman's money supply. <br> <br> See what I mean? No problem turning any villain into a realistic world.<br> <br> No, the villain will be whatever the story--and the Real Batman--the one we saw with his mask off in the cave, riding the motorcycle (not the batpod) in the middle of the day to stop the mayor's assassination, and talking to Rachel on the balcony (party Bruce Wayne and the guy in black are BOTH fronts)--the villain will be whatever that Batman needs to confront.<br> <br> Getting a new actor to play Joker is no problem--remember we only saw him very briefly without his make-up. That's how he would be in jail. So there are a lot of choices, if the story demands it.<br> <br> What we DO know is that his moral compass--in Rachel--is gone. And we know that the superhero formula demands a new love interest. Will that love interest be Vickie Vale? Catwoman? Talia? Or another woman from the League of Shadows?<br> <br> We know that the mob is in disarray. What will happen to the mob in the next movie? What villain is a mob boss? Penguin? Scarface? I can picture a pretty terrifying Scarface in Nolan's hands. Be a trick not to go the Chucky route. <br> <br> So Batman is hunted by the cops. How does Batman stay a hero when the world hates him? Wants to kill him? What "villain" will emphasize that? Do the cops hire Bain? Or that gun-guy in Gotham Knight? We still don't know what happened to the League of Shadows.<br> <br> I personally think it would be VERY ballsy for Nolan to bring in Superman as the villain--Brandon Routh and all. Don't think WB would let the Boy Scout go like that, though.<br> <br> One villain I really like is Blight from the Batman Beyond series. Whatever happened to the Rutger Hauer character from Begins? Doesn't seem to fit any of the themes going on, but still a great villain. <br> <br> The fact that we're all guessing and have no idea where this is going is great. It means Nolan did it right in TDK. It means he's broken new Bat-ground. I'm looking forward to where this is going to go.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 9:10 p.m. CST

    JesusMerrick, putting an "Is" at the start of that query

    by half vader

    woulda been a lot more honest. It's weird when a mod can also be a troll...

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Riddler's only point is to use Batmans "detective" side...

    by KongMonkey

    Hey a riddle! Let me use my sherlock holmes computer to solve it. Big fucking deal. And leave the penguin out too, how exciting is a guy who has umbrella guns. Go with catwoman, she can play on both Batman and Bruce Wayne's story arc. As long as it isn't Halle Berry.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 9:40 p.m. CST

    Part of me wants to see...

    by Ravetin

    ...Nolan just completely abandon hope and make "Battyman"; three hours of Bruce Wayne wearing only the mask running around the beach, shitting in people's towels. Either that or a movie featuring Hush.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 9:43 p.m. CST

    keatonbatman>>>balebateman

    by Prossor

    search you feelings, you know it to be true.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 9:56 p.m. CST

    What if Batman died?

    by Organs

    You know, as a martyr? I don't know what feasible villains are left, but Nolan could bring the focus back on Batman and see how he ends rather than begins. <br> <br> Well, I think it'd have potential...

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10 p.m. CST

    the case for multiple villains

    by The Only Woj

    so that Batman's detective side can be played out without the doer being obvious to the audience. multiple villains keeps the audience guessing.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:06 p.m. CST

    If the Nolan Bros. are smart . . .

    by Royston Lodge

    . . . they'll shoot number 3 as The Dark Knight Returns. THIS is how you bring Robin into it. Skip ahead 25 years. The Robin years OCCUR, but are never seen ON SCREEN. Between The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Returns is an unexplored expanse of time (like The Clone Wars SHOULD have been) that the viewer NEVER gets to see. In that time, Bruce Wayne takes a ward (perhaps to sooth his loneliness after losing the one women he truly loved). Also in that time, The Joker escapes from Arkham and murders Mr. Wayne's ward. Again, the viewer never sees any of this, but boy does it ever have en effect of Bruce Wayne. The curtains part, and Bruce Wayne is old. He has retired as Batman. Commissioner Gorden is about to retire. Gotham has turned to shit. Commissioner Gordon and Bruce Wayne are having dinner as old friends. They've had a few too many glassers of really expensive red wine. Commissioner Gorden makes an off-handed remark that once he retires Gotham will need Batman back. Cut to an extreme close-up of Christian Bales's eyes. - - - I tell you, this would be ONE HELL OF A WAY to cap the Nolan Bros' Batman trilogy...

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:13 p.m. CST

    Ben Foster as the Riddler

    by Drath

    would be cooler than Dr. Who, though I love him too. I also think Toby Jones (Truman Capote in Infamous) is the ideal Penguin, though I think the only way to do the Penguin is to write him like Hannibal Lector in Silence of the Lambs, someone so darned brilliant and monsterous beneath a dapper though caged exterior, but that's just me. Also, YESS to Joe G. Levitt as the Joker now. Though to me the biggest role next is still Catwoman.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:20 p.m. CST

    What about Eric Bana as Bane?

    by westie

    He may not be the best actor, but Bane doesn't have to be. Plus, he's like 6'4, and has already shown he can bulk up in Troy. I always thought Bane was one of the most underrated characters, and misused. The way he did nothing but fight and learn to kill, read books, and feed his mind to become a "paragon of human achievement" I always thought he was like the darker side of Bruce Wayne anyway.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:39 p.m. CST

    I repeat, if Nolan wants this to a true Batman Trilogy...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    ...Robin must appear in the third film. The arc of Bruce Wayne growing from son of Gotham to orphan of Gotham, to student, to Gotham's protector, must end with Bruce himself becoming the father to the next orphan of Gotham, that is Dick Grayson. It's the logical character arc that's been there since the early 1940's. If Nolan doesn't find some way to do it that fits into his "gritty, realistic, man's world" Batverse, than his Batman Trilogy won't be a "true" Batman Trilogy, fine films to be sure, but not true to the mythos.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:44 p.m. CST

    trombone, the Nolans can do anything...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    ...as long as Hans Zimmer's familiar Bat-score accompanies it...

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11:02 p.m. CST

    It should be Catwoman and Prometheus (or Hugo Strange or Azrael

    by JonQuixote

    Batman is "on the run". Catwoman - the LONG HALLOWEEN type, out for revenge - tempts him further into the "Dark." And the main antagonist should be an anti-Batman to serve as a mirror-image, pushing against the "forces of light" as cheesy as that sounds as hard as Batman pushes against the dark underbelly.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11:10 p.m. CST

    "Detective Comics"

    by nytivofan

    should be the title for Batman 3. And +1 on the few talkbackers who want a movie focusing on Batman's detective skills. Very little special effects, almost like a CSI episode, only with The Batman tracking down a serial killer whom the Gotham tabloids call...the Riddler. Warners can bang a movie like this out in less than 2 years and spend 1/4 what it took to make Dark Knight.

  • It is a fuckin Batman movie after all, even though they won't have the word "Batman" anywhere in the title.

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 12:08 a.m. CST

    ^villain

    by F-18

    Even if it hasn't gotten cut off, I misspelled it.

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 12:14 a.m. CST

    Knightfall

    by Ckuouka

    Perfect title for a third movie. And yes, it should focus on Bane and Azrael. Both of them could very easily work within Nolan's universe. Venom doesn't have to make Bane get physically bigger, just stronger. It's like super steroids or something. Bane's mask can be more gas mask than wrestling mask. Azrael doesn't have to have any of that genetic engineering thing. Just make the Sacred Order of St. Dumas some rival order of the League of Shadows. They had left Gotham City alone previously until they heard that Batman had turned.<BR><BR> Bane is hired to finish off Batman at the same time Azrael arrives in town. Bane does some serious damage to Batman (don't have him actually break his spine because there's no way you can have him recover from that in a 2 and a half hour movie) and Azrael is given the mantle by Bruce, who just wants to be done with Batman. Lucius Fox is against the idea of giving this kid access to the technology, but Bruce is to damaged to think straight. Azrael/New Batman kills Bane, and in the process kills a lot of innocent people. Bruce realizes that there can only be one Batman and it has to be him, so he goes after Azrael and finally accepts that he is Gotham's only savior.<BR><BR> Nolan could very easily make that into a great film. Hell, add Talia to the mix and Azrael doesn't even have to be after Batman when they first meet. But the whole point of the movie is that Bruce Wayne realizes no one else can be Batman and it takes having Azrael bringing shame to the title for him to realize that.<BR><BR>Riddler and Penguin aren't interesting enough villians to carry a whole movie (as minor villians, they would work, but not as the focus of the story) and Catwoman, while sexy, wouldn't work within Nolan's universe.

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 12:54 a.m. CST

    Jon Hamm would be a cool Riddler

    by NoHubris

    He's ideal for Nolan's Gotham.

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 12:57 a.m. CST

    Since we're all throwing in ideas

    by Adelai Niska

    Pick up where TDK left off, with lots of imposter Batmen (Batmans?) running around fighting people in Gotham. The actual Batman is fighting some villain that fans want, like penguin, early in the movie. A Batman imposter, really young acrobatic kid, actually intervenes and helps out Batman. batman tells him to fuck off. Later, the kid intervenes when Batman gets in real trouble fighting some other villain, like Riddler. This time, Batman asks him his name, and the kid says "Jason." Batman tosses him some body armour as a thank you and then leaves. Meanwhile, Harley Quinn is falling for the joker, and eventually she busts him out of Arkham. Batman is using his detective skills to CSI his way to the JOker, when Jason randomly stumbles into the Joker's latest crime. Joker recognizes the armour and beats the piss out of the kids. As Batman arrives, Joker tosses the bloody armour in front of him and blows up the building. Batman later looks up the dead kid's info and finds out that the kid lied- his real name was "Robin." Then Batman fights it with Joker in an abandonned amusement park while a bunch of hostages are strapped to a roller coaster that has a big gap in it, eventually saving the day and kinda redeeming himself in the eyes of the city. Oh, and throw in a mention of Joker gas, and at one point have Batman open a lead box, that glows green inside, and tell Alfred to keep it just in case the one in Metropolis gets out of hand.

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 12:57 a.m. CST

    Sorry

    by Adelai Niska

    Dont know how to paragraph

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 1:02 a.m. CST

    nytivofan: You have the best idea I've heard so far.

    by Royston Lodge

    I fully concur. Why MUST we see the villian until the end. It would be SUCH a new way to go if Batman didn't swing a SINGLE punch thoughout the entire movie, and we didn't see the villian (named The Ridder, natch) until the VERY VERY end. Why NOT make it a traditional cop-chasing-the-unseen-serial-killer movie, but the cop JUST HAPPENS to be a millionaire who dresses up like a giant bat? This is SUCH a brilliant idea for a third Nolan Batman movie - - - that it will never, ever happen. No idea that good can ever actually happen.

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 1:05 a.m. CST

    Adelai: With respect, I swear, but . . .

    by Royston Lodge

    . . . the recurring lesson when it comes to any franchise SINCE the first Batman in 1989 = don't throw too much into it. Your ideas would all work on their own, but you couldn't put them all into ONE movie.

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 1:08 a.m. CST

    Back to nytivofan's idea...

    by Royston Lodge

    ... I am TOTALLY imagining The Bone Collector with Batman as the investigator...

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 2:04 a.m. CST

    These are all....

    by ebonic_plague

    ...terrible ideas. Even mine, in retrospect. But, seriously, you guys want to follow up TDK with Azrael and Bane? The surly french chromium Iron-Man-Batman imposter and a GHB fueled Nacho Libre? I hope Nolan ignores all our advice like he did last time, with similar results.

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 2:06 a.m. CST

    Actually, though...

    by ebonic_plague

    ...Agent Johnson's idea is pretty good. I'd watch that.

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 2:10 a.m. CST

    Batman 3 Should Be ' Dark Knight Comic !

    by rickdeckard1

    Put it in the future! The movie should be an adaptation of Miller's Dark Knight! Bale bulked up with 'old' make up, Ellen Page as Robin, maybe Jude Law as 'old' Joker ? Miller as consultant? It will RULE!

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 2:23 a.m. CST

    Call me crazy

    by StuckinthePresentPaused

    if we follow the lead that nolan has been going with the films a good theme for batman 3 would be to see what happens if batman goes to far or goes the wrong way. i'm sure no one wants to hear this but the victor fries story seems to follow perfect for a third film in this trilgoy. a man who loses his wife (like bruce loses rachel) and uses all his powers to try to save her. mr. freeze would be a reflection to batman and what happens if he lets what happens in the world effect his batman persona. after batman and robin i dont see them using mr freeze but i am not too keen the riddler idea. the riddler in the way i can picture it if anyone else ha more ideas enlighten me but to me it would come off as a joker lite. the riddler would be trying to outsmart batman and not really comeinng to fisticuffs like the joker and the tdk. im also all for a female being introduced in the movie as a love interest but not neceesarily a selina kyle but someone that helps him in the storyline get over rachel but also help bruce realize he needs a balacne in his life between bruce and batman

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 2:24 a.m. CST

    It's stupid. It's obvious Nolan will be back

    by MrFloppy

    since the days of Batman Begins. He planned a trilogy with Goyer. End of story.

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 2:42 a.m. CST

    Keaton

    by PrincessLeias_Poohole

    Shut the fuck up about Keaton as Batman. Bale is far the best Batman, Keaton looked like a hobbit in a bat suit.

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 3:35 a.m. CST

    Clearly

    by kwisatzhaderach

    any third film would be about Batman redeeming himself in the eyes of the public (even though he didn't do anything). The Dark Knight isn't a masterpiece though comic book fans. That ending with Gordon's family being kidnapped by Two-Face is terrible.

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 3:43 a.m. CST

    Bane is a pimp

    by a rolling stone

    Javier Bardem plays a South American prisoner, son of a blind martial artist, who grows up in prison, becomes an obsessed, dark, anti-Batman, then escapes prison and travels north to America, where he takes Bale on. Bane was a mastermind. Who else deduced Batman's identity, kicked the shit out of him in his own cave, then broke his back in his own house? Pimpin.

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 4:40 a.m. CST

    New Direction

    by malificus

    Dark Knight Returns starring Brian Dennehy as Bruce, the annoying blond friend from I Carly as Robin and Robert Duvall as the Joker.

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 4:46 a.m. CST

    Oh, and can I mention

    by malificus

    how violently I was attacked by panning Dark Knight here on these boards like a month ago, now posters are already starting to wipe the Heath Dazzle from their eyes and acknowlege that the flick was good, not great, fine but flawed.

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 4:48 a.m. CST

    Turkish Batman kicks ass!

    by pokadoo

    Hope Nolan's taking notes from that clip, we want groovy choreographed tag-team wrestling moves, not unwatchable shakey-cam fights! POW!!!

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 4:52 a.m. CST

    trombone had a great idea earlier

    by sonofjay

    Freeze is just a serial killer with liquid nitrogen. This would give opportunities to push the gross out factor (as they did with Twoface) by showing the real effects of freezing skin (just google frostbite). Most importantly though they need to incorporate Batman's inner monologue. This is one thing that made Bale's character so interesting in American Psycho and was used to great effect in The Dark Knight Returns and Batman Year One. I want to hear what he's thinking throughout the story and this would solidify Batman as the undisputed central character of the story as we are seeing everything unravel from his point of view.

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 4:59 a.m. CST

    How about "Dude, Where's my Batman?"

    by Giant Ape Balls

    He's on the run, he's good at hiding being a ninja and all. Perfect title.

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 5:04 a.m. CST

    That's the current trend in Comics nowadays sonofjay.

    by Stalkeye

    Self narative which me than likely started from Miller's Daredevil and TDKR.Yeah we know that it's from those Noir/crime Movies, but Frank made it so cool.Yeah, it would be nice if Bale could incorporate batman's inner dialogue,however he overdoes it with the growling voice.Kinda sounds like Snake Plissken takinga shit.

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 5:21 a.m. CST

    Stalkeye

    by sonofjay

    That's exactly it. So many people are annoyed with the Batman growl voice. But as was said before, that's not his voice that's just the fear inducing disguise voice he uses. If we heard his inner monologue it would be his regular voice (the voice he uses to speak to Alfred or Rachael). It would be a relief to hear his real voice while in the batsuit so that we (as the audience) would better identify with the character. Also just from a geek standpoint I'd love to see a fight scene where you hear him assessing the various injuries he's giving and receiving in real time. I'm almost ashamed to put too much focus on fight scenes when the series is trying to be more high brow but really Batman was always an action adventure concept. No one ever became interested in Batman because it was a crime drama (even though that is such an important aspect of the overall appeal)

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 5:50 a.m. CST

    Hopefully

    by Dingbatty

    Batman is in the third one.

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 6:09 a.m. CST

    Dark Knight Returns

    by christpunchers2007

    Is for me, the only reasonable way for them to "top" TDK. Sure you could bring in Riddlers, Banes, and Catwomen, but they'll always be compared to past villains and especially Heath's Joker. If you do DKR, without Robin or Supes, just make it about a film with flashback to Batman's struggles since TDK and eventually show us why he stopped fighting, it'll be quite interesting. Imagine this opening scene. Old Bruce (Bale with makeup) sits in the lonely Wayne Manor, Alfred has passed away, Bruce's face is illuminated by the moon, he realizes he's not alone, behind him is Ras, who is as "young" as ever thanks to the Lazurus pits. The two have conversations about "the past", things that followed TDK. Ras offers the pit to Bruce, to give him a fighting chance so his best student doesn't end up rotting into a rocker chair. Bruce declines, he watches the city burn and eventually he decides to go at it once more. I'm sure Nolan & Co will want to take a lot of risks if they want to beat TDK.

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 6:49 a.m. CST

    The Problem with a Third Movie

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    The problem is that TDK so set up the Joker as in integral part of the equation. They pretty much have to have him in there to continue with the themes as they've established them. I think they just need to bite the bullet and recast. It's a thankless job, but that's the best solution they have.

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 6:54 a.m. CST

    Thunderbolt Ross

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Poppycock! How is Joker an integral indelible part of the Batman equation? Continue with what theme? That the Joker is the only villain that Batman ever can and ever will go up against? Bollocks. Give Joker a rest and bring on Catwoman...

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 6:55 a.m. CST

    Another problem

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    All of Batman's other villains suck. The Joker is great and Ras al Ghul is all right. But you're not going to do much better than chaos vs order. Oh really? Order vs flightless bird? Or order vs difficult question to answer? Naw, just doesn't have that same ring to it.

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 6:55 a.m. CST

    Another problem

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    All of Batman's other villains suck. The Joker is great and Ras al Ghul is all right. But you're not going to do much better than chaos vs order. Oh really? Order vs flightless bird? Or order vs difficult question to answer? Naw, just doesn't have that same ring to it.

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 6:55 a.m. CST

    Another problem

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    All of Batman's other villains suck. The Joker is great and Ras al Ghul is all right. But you're not going to do much better than chaos vs order. Oh really? Order vs flightless bird? Or order vs difficult question to answer? Naw, just doesn't have that same ring to it.

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 6:56 a.m. CST

    Chisu

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    The equation in the last movie. See my terrific TRIPLE post for more clues ...<p>The Riddler

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 7:24 a.m. CST

    Christopher Nolan should be fired from Batman

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    He is ruining this character with his asinine insistence on taking Batman so seriously.<p>Why oh why would anyone want such a boring Batman film? Batman is not boring. Batman fights crime in a daffy costume and occasionally grimaces. He is exciting and kicks much ass. He does not have the fighting skill of a pedestrian stuntman in a so-so episode of the A-Team, as Nolan would have you believe. Also, there is no evidence to suggest (as far as I can tell from the comics I have read) that he speaks like a ten year old child trying to frighten his younger sister.<p>No. Batman should be fun to watch, not dreary and ass-deadening.<p>I demand they bring back Joel Schumacher to save what's left of this series of films. I also demand that the next villains be The Mad Hatter and Killer Croc. And get fucking Robin in it! Batman is lonely without Robin.

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 7:41 a.m. CST

    Schumacher?

    by rbrog77

    Please - step away from the crack pipe.

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 7:45 a.m. CST

    Michael C. Hall (Dexter) as Zsasz

    by Cletus Van Damme

    I've said it before, I'll say it again. I could see throwing in Hugo Strange as a profiler to whom Batman is referred by Gordon...Strange becomes obsessed with Batman and gains insight into his identity as they persue Zsasz.

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 7:50 a.m. CST

    Robin and Catwoman...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    ...are the only two characters left in the Batman universe who can make Bruce Wayne develop as a character and as a human being in these movies. If this Trilogy wants to have any kind of a serious character arc for Bruce Wayne, those two indelible characters of Batman's world have to be there.

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 7:52 a.m. CST

    Yes, Schumacher

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    He is the guy we need to rescue this series of films from their gloomy pit of murky over-seriousness.<p>And he will do that by making it more gay. Gay is not serious. Gay is not dour. Gay is the way for Batman, and you know it will also allow for Robin to make his way into the story.<p>P.S. Didn't that guy from James already play Mr Zsasz?

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 8:16 a.m. CST

    Christopher Nolan would never let Batman fight a shark

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    That's just the kind of guy Nolan is. I'm not saying he's a boring asshole or anything, but all of us proper fans know that fighting sharks is a big part of what Batman is about. Otherwise, why would he have developed his own Bat shark repellant? But Nolan will let that Bat shark repellant go to waste.<p>And that is a shame. A crying shame.<p>Also, how come Batman does not use ropes to walk up the sides of buildings anymore?

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 8:22 a.m. CST

    "Would Never Let Batman Fight a Shark"

    by subtlety

    ha ha ha ha! Classic. That's exactly why I fucking read these talkbacks. Beautiful. <br><br> But... does that also mean Nolan wouldn't let him fight a half-man/half-bat?

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 8:22 a.m. CST

    One problem with Ledger's performance

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Everyone knows the Joker has a magnificent mustache concealed beneath his greasepaint, but that was an important part of the Joker's character that I felt Ledger neglected.<p>I looked and looked, but I could hardly see any mustache at all. Not even a little stubble or some kind of bum fluff deal.

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 8:23 a.m. CST

    malificus

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    A month ago I hadn't seen TDK but if I had, I would have been at your side panning the movie. I've never been more stumped by universal praise in my life.

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 8:31 a.m. CST

    Cerebral? Don't you people read comics?

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Batman is not a cerebral character. He has plastic pointy ears on the top of his head!<p>Why does everyone want an adaptation of Batman that appears to be ashamed of its source material? Batman & Robin may have been unutterable shit, but at least it had good self-esteem. These new Batman films stare longingly at Heat and then play about with their hair to try to make themselves look more like Al Pacino.<p>That's just fucking embarrassing.

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 8:55 a.m. CST

    I like the idea

    by GaiustheBrave

    of a Zodiac Riddler. I'd like to see someone who could calmly up the ante. Whereas the Joker was all about watching the world burn, maybe Riddler can be all about seeing other people suffer and enjoying it in a dispassionate way (which to me is always creepier than someone who gets excited.)And, he gets off on making Batman squirm while people die under his nose. It probably won't happen, but I think it'd be neat to see a hard R on this one, with a very creepy Riddler slicing people, all the while with a creepy stare and an emotionless face. Maybe even carving riddles into his victims' bodies...No daddy or mommy issues though, please, just a Carpenter Myers.

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 9 a.m. CST

    If you don't call it LEGEND OF THE BATMAN...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    ...call it ROBIN BEGINS. Actually, just kind of joking, but I think perhaps, the third film should mirror BATMAN BEGINS in some way, where Young Grayson begins to step into the world of Batman's own League of Shadows...

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 9:09 a.m. CST

    The Dark Pedophile Returns

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Yes, bring on Robin, by all means.

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 9:17 a.m. CST

    anywhere hear any news on that Pixar Super Mario Bros.....

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    ...thing? It sounds fucking crazy. I always thought thats how it should be shot-- real actors in a green screen CGish world.

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 9:20 a.m. CST

    No, seriously...Robin...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    The third film could mirror the end of Dark Knight Returns, where Bruce Wayne goes underground with his army of Mutants, Sons of the Batman, and the Carrie Kelly Robin to rebuild and prepare for the new war for Gotham. Perhaps the third film could somehow conclude similarly with Bruce facing some sort clamp down on costumed freaks, he goes underground, a la League of Shadows, Batman becomes a legend, and he begins training Young Grayson maybe with Selina Kyle as an ally ... Trilogy concludes...Nolan can make his proper exit...and set up for a new filmmaking team to take Batman in a new direction if they want with Robin or Superman or DKR or Justice League or whatever they want...

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 9:25 a.m. CST

    no typecasting

    by zom-bot.com

    no dexter for zsasz. they already cast zsasz and he looks just like the comic. if someone is good in a particular part right now, why would they take the exact same sort of role? most good smart actors try for a range of things. there are some that get typecast rightfully because they are great character actors...hackman,freeman, etc..but who would have thought that the kid from 'knights tale' could have reinvented joker? I didn't....have some faith in casting outside the box.

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 9:34 a.m. CST

    THE DARK KNIGHT DETECTIVE

    by JDanielP

    There you go!

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 9:39 a.m. CST

    no jolie as catwoman

    by zom-bot.com

    two reasons. angelina jolie is angelina jolie in everything. her status overpowers her acting, even when good. nolan picks more moldable actors <P>second- her lips. the only pair like them in the world. instantly recognizable and memorable if you just met her....So, donning a cat mask wouldn't hide her identity one bit. even more so than in batman returns, if you kissed those lips in costume or in daylight, you would know who you were dealing with. i wouldn't be surprised if they did away with the cat mask entirely in nolanworld, so, maybe that doesn't matter.

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Let's dig up Richard Pryor!.....

    by rotgut1

    ...... because you know after two really good superhero movies, there must be a way to F up the third one!

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 9:45 a.m. CST

    who will play Mario in the Pixar movie?

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Why don't you people fucking care?

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 10:07 a.m. CST

    Mario:

    by Joker Gordon Levitt

    Jesse Metcalf

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 10:17 a.m. CST

    "Gotham"

    by Joker Gordon Levitt

    Obsessive madman terrorizes the public, threatening Gotham's economy. <br><br> Batman is getting weary. His run ins with a sexy cat burglar seem to cloud his moral judgment, pushing him further into his dark persona. Alfred and Lucius are worried. <br><br> The wealthy band together to save their city. Talia Head leads the charge. Bruce becomes interested in her, and vows to help. He hopes to end his vigilantism, but is afraid he may never be rid of it. <br><br> Batman is implicated in several violent crimes, while Bruce Wayne is receiving death threats in the form of riddles. The US Government demands Batman turn himself in. <br><br> End: Talia is the head of the League of Shadows. She hires Riddler to help destroy Gotham. Catwoman helps him catch Riddler, Talia escapes. <br><br> Final act: Superman battles Batman. Bruce fakes his own death to trick the Man of Steel, then goes underground.

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Dexter is unfamiliar to a LOT of people

    by Cletus Van Damme

    Only a fraction of people in the US even have Showtime, and maybe half of them watch Dexter, so he's in no danger of being typecast (see Six Feet Under).<p> Appearance true to the comic counterpart isn't paramount in terms of importance. This iteration of the Joker was not a literal translation from the comic.<p> I'm with you in terms of Ledger's somewhat humble acting beginnings not tipping his hand to reveal his talent, but have some faith in great actors (such as Hall) to use their immense talents in roles like this and NOT be typecast.

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Batman 3 = GOTHAM

    by Sovikos

    Batman 3 will definitely be called GOTHAM! I've been saying it for the last year! "GOTHAM"

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 12:19 p.m. CST

    If they call Batman 3 "GOTHAM", then...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    ...the film must reflect that title. It can't be just about Batman, but have a broader scope to it, that includes its citizens, more Batverse characters, etc. Rule One of screenwriting: Your title must make a promise, and the film should deliver on that promise...

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 12:36 p.m. CST

    by the way... No Nolan = Brad Anderson.

    by 5_day_forecast

    Mentioned it elsewhere, but this seems like a better place to bring it up.

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 1:33 p.m. CST

    "officialer" are you kidding me?

    by Nizzuts

    WTF...is that even a word?

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Save Brad Anderson for Superman please

    by Joker Gordon Levitt

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Shadow of the Dark Caped Knightfall Bat Crusader: Year One

    by JediSean81

    Okay, let's face it. Some of these ideas (while being filled with genuine, infectious enthusiasm) are a little rediculous and it's really obvious why some of the people on here don't work in Hollywood. However, after reading all of these nocturnal mysteries, I have to put my two cents in. What I like about Chris Nolan's Batman series so far and the Dark Knight in particular is that he keeps it realistic while having plot twists that blow your mind like practically everything the Joker did, espeacially when he threatened to blow up the Hospital if no one killed the guy on TV who was critisizing Batman. The thing is that all of the characters feel like the way they were always meant to be in look and style, except the creative team behind the movies has managed to flesh out all the little details that were originally left to the imagination with plausible explanations. Meanwhile, a character like Two-Face still is aesthetically true to the way he looks in the comic. So I feel that the way Nolan and his team have interpreted the whole Batman universe lends itself to endless possibilities as long as they the same sensibilities about the production. As long as the movies remain consistent with what has already been established, I don't see why Nolan couldn't bring Robin successfully in the fold or any other character. Whatever his interpretation is of any of the previously unestablished characters, I'm sure that he'll manage to make them plausible if he sticks to his own rules. The great thing about this Batman series is that it is entirely unpredictable, but in a very good way and I think it's something that doesn't lend itself to speculation as long the same creative team returns. That's the important part. They already have a track record. We just need to hope that the studio executives allow the creative team behind The Dark Knight to return and continue to push the limits of what we believe can happen in a Batman movie, because the last one sure did.

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 3:15 p.m. CST

    OFFICIALER or PORONO-- which is more funny?

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Batman 3 will HAVE to suck.

    by W3bzpinn3r

    It's the official curse of Superhero movies. Look at X3, Spider-Man 3, Superman 3, Batman Forever, Blade 3... The last film of a trilogy generally sucks.... Return of the Jedi, Jurassic Park 3, Alien 3, Terminator 3, Matrix Revolutions, etc... Third is NOT the charm...

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 5:34 p.m. CST

    we all know

    by Murkish

    that rocky 3 broke that curse a long time ago

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Batman vs Bateman

    by RobertBaron

    Christian Bale takes on the dual roles of his two most iconic characters as the Dark Knight hunts down crazed, Huey Lewis-loving serial killer, Patrick Bateman.

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Golden Age villains only!

    by Continentalop

    I know a large number of talk-backers will disagree, but I think Nolan should only use the Golden Age villains. No Mr. Freeze, no Man-Bat, no Bane, no Poison Ivy, no Harley Quinn, no shape-shifting Clayface. Why? Because they are all SUPER-Villains in the truest sense, villains created to face a Batman whose comic competed with or existed in the same universe as other super-powered individuals. Nolan's Batman doesn't, his Batman isn’t a super-hero so much as he is modern take on the costumed vigilante, whom closely resembles his predecessors and influences: Zorro, Scarlet Pimpernel, Shadow (magazine, not the radio show) and the Spider. So they should use villains designed for such a hero. A costumed vigilante with film noir influences sworn to fight crime should face arch-CRIMINALS: the Joker, the Penguin, Two-Face, Catwoman, the original Clayface, Scarecrow, etc. Villains that represent actual facets of crime in the world: irrational crimes (Joker), organized crime (Penguin), the allure and sympathetic criminal (Catwoman), the criminal as a victim (Two-Face), etc. I know everyone is going to say Joker is a super-villain. Yes, the Joker is a super-villain as defined by the dictionary, but in the Nolan-verse he is a Super-Villain who closer resembles Prof. Moriarty, Dr. Mabuse & Flattop than he does Dr. Doom or Gorilla Grodd, a psycho criminal writ large not an individual who possesses powers beyond our comprehension. This is why Ra's Al Ghul didn't work so well in the first movie and saved for later; he was a James Bond international super villain being used in an urban, neo-noir detective's story. Terrorism is scary, but it is a slight leap to go from avenging your parents’ death from street crime to taking on international war criminals. Maybe after Batman gets better established you can start breaking out the actual super-villains, but until than I hope he will face an ingenious and ruthless crime-boss with a funny appearance and nickname or a femme fatale cat burglar whom he is attracted too.

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 7:32 p.m. CST

    No Depp!!

    by BigMick

    I know everyone loves Johnny Depp, and I'm not against the guy at all either. Absolutely love his work, but I don't think he should play a role in these movies. <p> If they decide to use The Riddler as the villain in the next film, there are many more choices that I think would fit better than Johnny Depp. The sad thing is that no one is really coming to mind right now. <p> I don't know, it just seems like everyone wants to use Johnny Depp in every movie possible these days, there is just a lot more talent in Hollywood that would be much more inspired casting than just using Johnny Depp because it's Johnny Depp. <p> On another note, Paul Giammatti or Phillip Seymour Hoffman would be really great casting for The Penguin. <p> And I'm not really sure how they would be able to follow up The Dark Knight with having Catwoman as the villain, I just don't think there is enough there to develop a dark and gritty and compelling story like Begins of TDK with her as the villain. And get someone else than Angelina Jolie to play her, yea she's hot and it would be awesome to see her in the Catwoman costume, but I don't think she'd bring it the way Bale and Ledger and everyone else has in the last 2 movies. It seems more like she would do the movie simply because it would look great on her resume and she can say she was part of something the Ledger helped create. Again, there are much more talent in Hollywood that would be just as inspired casting as Angelina Jolie.

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 7:58 p.m. CST

    zooey deschanel as Zatanna

    by zom-bot.com

    nuff said. Bruce and her flirt while he is visiting/investigating the Iceberg lounge where both her and the ventriloquist perform occaisionally. there...three classic characters in one sentence.

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 8:32 p.m. CST

    more reasons for zatanna

    by zom-bot.com

    since they've (nolan and co) already screwed the pooch with bruce and a female childhood friend (rachel) zatanna could become enough of a friendly crush that gives bruce focus again. she'd bring innocence, humor and hope back into his life...and hey, maybe he'll learn a few escape tricks and showmanship so he can ease up on all the tech shit.

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 8:55 p.m. CST

    Reasons for Zatanna better for Catwoman

    by Continentalop

    Unlike most women he meets, Selina Kyle would be in love with the Batman persona and not his Bruce Wayne persona (rich, spoiled snob). Sure Batman would feel conflicted - on one side she is a criminal, on the other he finds someone who is attracted to his real personality and not his front - but conflict makes great stories.

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 11:37 p.m. CST

    i thought nolan said no catwoman

    by zom-bot.com

    ..and that there was 'decades of other characters to mine from' or something. <P>i know a ton of fanboys that would prefer zatanna to catwoman. plus she's obscure, and nolan seems to have a thing for magicians already<P>;)

  • Oct. 8, 2008, 12:57 a.m. CST

    Odd that Scarecrow wasn't disfigured.

    by Dingbatty

    OR was melded to his mask. I thought that's the direction they were going with having him getting shocked/burn on the mask in the first one.

  • Oct. 8, 2008, 1:44 a.m. CST

    TAKE THE SCRIPT AWAY FROM HIM!!!!

    by necgray

    Dear god, please let SOMEbody kick Nolan's ass, figuratively, if he fucks up the script again. TDK's story was overhyped garbage. Beautiful to look at, well-acted garbage. The man needs someone to fucking filter him.

  • Oct. 8, 2008, 3:18 a.m. CST

    RE: ruven76

    by Continentalop

    While I agree with that you can make almost any of his foes more realistic or grounded in humanity, I just think his earlier, golden age foes fit that criteria already. Sure many will have to be updated and re-imagined, but that so far has been one of the joys of the series, to see how Nolan brings Batman and his foes to the modern era. That is why I am hoping for the much-maligned Penguin in the next movie. At one time the Penguin was tied with the Joker as Batman’s greatest foe. While many talk-backers mock him as a ridiculous character out of touch with modern audiences, remember the Joker was a harmless, cheesy trickster character in the 50’s & 60’s until Denny O’Neil, Steve Englehart and Alan Moore went back to his darker, psychotic roots. The same roots that Chris Nolan acknowledges as his source for the Joker (a psychotic killer with no name, origin or remorse). The Penguin could undergo the same back-to-his basics approach: a comical-looking criminal mastermind known only by his funny nickname (he wasn’t named Oswald Cobblepot until years after he started appearing), whose sophisticated speech and classy attire hide a genius mind willing to use deceit, blackmail, bribery and violence to get his way. Like the Joker he was bloodier when he first appeared, killing three people in his first two appearance (and would of killed the caped crusaders if he could have). Imagine a combination of Sydney Greenstreet from the Maltese Falcon, Edgar G. Robinson in Little Caesar, Joe Pesci from Casino, and Marvel’s the Kingpin of Crime. And if Nolan wants it to fit his current trend using the movies as a metaphor for terrorism, remember what the fear has been in Iraq, Afghanistan and even Britain and the US: that people are more than happy to accept the security of tyranny in exchange from the fear of anarchy. I could easily see this applied to the citizens of Gotham, especially after the Joker. I know Chris Nolan has said he can’t imagine using the Penguin, but I tell him to check out the fake Orson Welles’ Batman trailer to see a general idea of how the Penguin can be done: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu5tJGfZsgc

  • Oct. 8, 2008, 7:47 a.m. CST

    tough penguin

    by zom-bot.com

    i'd like to see it too....kind of a weak picked on kid who learned to toughen up by being cunning, manipulative and prone to violence. asthmatic (occaisional fits of wheezing) maybe walks with a limp, has some other odd twitches or mannerisms. but don't wrong him, or he snaps and bashes your head in with the end of his umbrella (which he uses like a cane for his limp) like that scene in the untouchables with the baseball bat.

  • Oct. 8, 2008, 9:58 a.m. CST

    RE: zom-bot.com & ruven76

    by Continentalop

    I agree with both of you, except I don’t think the Penguin needs to be British. Remember American gangsters have just as colorful nicknames (Sammy the Bull, Jimmy the Gent, Tony the Ant, The Mad Hatter, Lucky Luciano, The Chin, Big Pussy!!!) and many are impeccably dressed. And they are also very dangerous and violent when need be. He could be a thug who hides himself behind a mask of respectability and sophistication, like John Gotti and Al Capone tried to do. And he could have gotten his moniker the Penguin because of his short, cubby stature and his walk (I imagine a waddle like Vito from the Sopranos).

  • Oct. 8, 2008, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Ray Winstone huh? I dig it

    by Joker Gordon Levitt

    Pengers would be one violent SOB. Mr. French V Batman? I'm down. Still not enough to be a MAJOR villain though (same w Catwoman). I still vote an incredibly intelligent, obsessive Riddler.

  • Oct. 8, 2008, 4:17 p.m. CST

    christian bale sucks balls as batman

    by Prossor

    his batman sounds like mcgruff the dog without any personality, too serious, bland as fuck. his bruce wayne is a subdued patrick bateman, one of the reasons nolan even fucking cast him was beacuse of american psycho. joyless, unwatchable, a void of interest. michael keaton may have had a creeping widow's peak, short and unathletic looking but by damn did he make a better batman and bruce wayne. his batman was just cool, his bruce you could relate to as a regular joe. and whenever he smiled it looked genuine, not like bale whose forehead vein appeared and looked like he'd pick up an axe while hip to be square played.

  • Oct. 9, 2008, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Keaton was good as Batman

    by Joker Gordon Levitt

    Whoever they get after Bale should look as psychotic as Keaton. "You wanna get nuts... lets get nuts!"

  • Oct. 10, 2008, 2:24 a.m. CST

    BILL MURRAY = THE RIDDLER

    by HowieMandela

    Bill Murray MUST be the Riddler in the next Batman. He is the ONLY actor who could make this interesting, who could possibly match the magnetism of Ledger's Joker. Depp will ust be dark, dark, dark and boring as shit. Murray will be funny--and bring is such pathos. The role's tailored made for him, and with the series needing a topper (or atleast match) to the Joker, the Murray Riddler works perfectly.