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AICN COMICS SHOOT THE MESSENGER: Previews ACTION COMICS, DRAGON PRINCE & DAD! New Feature: OPINIONS ARE LIKE @$$HOLES...!

@@@@ Preview of DAD! OGN, ACTION COMICS #870 & DRAGON PRINCE #1! @@@@ Our very first “OPINIONS ARE LIKE @$$HOLES…” Rant! @@@@



What’s SHOOT THE MESSENGER?

Well, AICN COMICS: SHOOT THE MESSENGER is your weekly one stop shop for comic book news that’s dropped in the previous week. Thanks to Newsarama, CBR, Wizard, etc. for reporting it as it breaks. Click on the links for the original stories. This column cuts the crap to run down all the vital information for those of you who don’t follow it as it comes in, and serves it all up with that special ingredient of @$$y goodness. It’s also the place for interviews, previews, editorials, and special reports.


Hey folks, Ambush Bug here with another peek into the tomorrow with the old Spinner Rack to the Future. First up, we’ve got another peek at the Geoff Johns/Gary Frank “Brainiac” arc which tells the tale of a Brainiac that Superman has never faced before. Check out ACTION COMICS #870, the final issue of that arc…


Look for Superman bowling-balling Brainiac’s head in ACTION COMICS #870 in stores Wednesday!


We previewed Top Cow’s DRAGON PRINCE #1 by Ron Marz and Lee Moder a few weeks ago. The good folks at Top Cow want to let you all read it here for free before making your way to the comic store this Wednesday for issue two. Check out the entire first issue below.






If you like what you see here, look for DRAGON PRINCE #2 on the shelves this Wednesday.


Finally we have an extra special preview from a comic book documentary called DAD! This book from Th3rd World Studios documents the relationship between the book’s writer Scott King and his father who has a terminal illness. This is one of those projects that continues to show the versatility of the comic book medium. It yanks on the heartstrings and will make even the most cold-hearted hold back a tear. This mix of photorealism and actual photographs is a true gem deserving of an audience and I’m proud to be able to showcase it here.



Be sure to check out DAD! from Th3rd World Studios in stores in October.


Are Crossovers/Epic Events for the Casual Reader?

by Optimous Douche

Regardless of whether it’s Marvel or DC, I can always count on the AICN Talkbacks to erupt with topics more violently than Ron Jeremy after snorting Viagra when a new crossover or universe shattering event takes place. As collectors we say we love all comics equally, and I have no idea why we fucking lie to ourselves. We’re supposed to care more about the stories that can’t simply be contained within one title since they have always required more of an economic and emotional investment to truly appreciate their grand scope.
In the past crossovers were doled out sparingly and lasted a mere few months. Any crossing of say more than three titles was never dared more than annually. Afterwards the heroes would go back to their own books and perhaps a few months later there would be a one or two issue spillover.
That was then, and we all are painfully “52, Countdown, Piper Corpse Hand, No More Mutants, Barry Allen is Alive, Tony Stark is a Douche Not an Alien” aware that the times have changed. But with this change and expansion of the crossover and epic event there seems to have been a souring amongst comic’s populace. As collectors in 2008, we are getting more of everything. Not only do stories transcend titles, but they spawn their own minis, maxis, and ultra-fucking-yearlong-gigundies. What I find most interesting amongst the defending and defiling is the rise in voices that actually seem confused and bewildered by the pages of a crossover when they haven’t been reading every title tied to it.
From a wide-eyed, utopian, naïve, child-like, mildly retarded perspective, yes, every comic book should be accessible to a new reader walking in for the first time. Whether the exposition is force fed through an intro paragraph or delicately weaved into the opening panels of the book, ideally the writer should get the reader up to speed so they can revel in the next 20 to 22 pages. Please excuse me while I Hoover out the collective pixie-dust from the asses of the deluded individuals that actually believe that tripe and smack them with my cockrod of reality.
These are comics. Even individual titles are serial in nature, which means you will always be at a loss until you have been with them for awhile. Crossovers and epic events extrapolate the serial concept across an entire universe, so as we look at SECRET INVASION and FINAL CRISIS it is naïve (and retarded) to think that you will get the full picture from merely the titles that bear those singular names. People that were born when Barry Allen died can finally rent a car this year, and there have been more “Secret Invasion” headlines emblazoned across monthlies than without as of late. FINAL CRISIS and SECRET INVASION are part of a bigger picture and if you want to understand every panel, if you want to be in the know for every subtle nuance and turn of phrase, then yes, quite simply, you need to buy all of the titles that tie in to these books. You need to be deeply invested in comics and have the ability to invest deeply if you are going to get the grand picture.
Now, I bailed on SI after issue three, simply because I did not "get" what was going on in the grand scheme of things. I didn’t bitch, I just bailed. Why? Frankly, I just don't read that many Marvel titles. This is hardly Marvel’s or Bendis' fault. I have never cared for the Avengers, the galactic titles do little to titillate me and my love affair with Spider-Man over the years runs as hot and cold as his relationship with the Osborn clan. I'm a mutant guy, and quite frankly my interest in mutants just did not provide enough continuity fodder for me to become truly immersed in the pages of SI. I’m really OK with this and I won’t fault the main SI title for not doing enough work. The fault of not liking SI falls squarely on the shoulders of my reading apathy.
Now, FINAL CRISIS I can speak to. There are a scant few books in the DC universe that I have not read over the past three years. Is this a beautiful crossover or epic event? No, far from it. Reading FINAL CRISIS as a solitary book is enjoyable, but the cross pollination into other titles feels as though as it has been handled by a swarm of retarded bees. This is counting the lead-up books as well as the books churning out during the throes of the main event. But at least I can say I understand what is going on…sorta.
When Optimous Douche isn’t reading comics and misspelling the names of 80’s icons, he “transforms” into a corporate communications guru. Optimous is looking for artistry help, critical feedback and a little industry insight to get his original book AVERAGE JOE up, up and on the shelves. What if the entire world had super powers? Find out in the blog section of Optimous’ MySpace page to see some preview pages and leave comments.

So what do you think? Should books like SI and FC be solitary masterpieces or is it fine to let them simply set the precedent for the larger whole?

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  • Oct. 6, 2008, 7:44 a.m. CST

    My First First

    by HewligansHaircut

    And without any thoughts on the article - shame...

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 8:39 a.m. CST

    Congratulations on being first in a AICN Talkback...

    by Kid Z

    ...Now you must accompany me to Heaven and guide our apocalyptic battle with the invading forces of Hell, young mortal!

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 8:39 a.m. CST

    ...

    by Kid Z

    ...psych!

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 9:04 a.m. CST

    My opinions on the "epics"

    by Err

    Comics introduced multiple heroes in one issue to boost sales. Hey, I used to pay a dime for Supes and a dime for Bats, but now, I can pay a dime and get the whole JLA!<br><br> It seems that these events occur once every year and are used for the same exact reason, to drive sales. It doesn't matter if the storyline is good or bad, it just matters how many comics that are sold.<br><br> Alan Moore, the god that comic people believe him to be wrote Watchmen, The Killing Joke, Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?, LXG, etc. All of these were not "epic" events that occurred in a universe but rather were epic stories.<br><br> Comics are becoming stale in a way. Everyone is focusing on what will give the reader the next big shock. The death of the Ralph and Sue, the redemption of Booster Gold, Batman dying?, Skrulls and more Skrulls, heroes fighting each other, Anti Monitor comes back, Darkseid not dead? etc. etc. etc.<br><br> What would shock readers, is if you actually gave them good writers and good storylines. Storylines can shock and awe in little ways instead of bringing in a bad guy more terrible than the last. What is good for me on a personal level is seeing someone who has been dropped to the lowly ranks and seeing them elevated. That is truly epic.<br><br> You know what else would shock me? Equality in comics. How is it that Batman's back is broken and he's already back to fighting crime, yet Batgirl gets paralyzed by the Joker, recovers just a little bit of mobility but is still wheelchair bound. For Christ's sake, Christopher Reeve showed more recovery improvement in real life than Barbara Gordon has in the comics. And let's not forget the whole women in refrigerators crap that has taken place in comics.<br><br> DC's C.O.I.E. had a point. It needed to clean up the DC Universe and the continuity. Secret Invasion makes a point to do what? Everyone might be a Skrull? Oooooh. I don't care. Batman might be dying? For what? Nothing more than some minor character development.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Barry Allen and Cripples

    by Vincent Gecko

    Barry Allen died in what? 86? 87? Don't you have to be 25 to rent a car? Babs Gordon and Prof. X for that matter stay crippled to represent that part of the community. To many paraplegics, their "handicap" has become part of a cultural identity and not necessarily just some injury that needs healing. Look at like being a minority or gay. Yeah, life would probably be easier in America to be a strait white walker rather than a gay grey roller. Just because a person's in a wheelchair doesn't mean they're inferior.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 10:06 a.m. CST

    The English Language...

    by EverythingEverywhereStinks

    For a 'corporate communications guru' Optimous Douche likes to throw around the word 'retarded' a lot. I wonder if he talks like that at board meetings?

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Math Was Off - Wow I Feel Retarded

    by optimous_douche

    Right on Vince, I stand corrected. Those post Barry babies can only by alchohol.<p> Do I use the word retard in the boardroom? Only if someone says we need to readjust our paradigm or think outside the box.<p> I will be here all day for questions.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Err

    by Snookeroo

    Spot on, friend.<br><br>I have believed for a long time that comic book writers would do themselves a favor if they just tried to tell an intriguing story instead of trying to write the next superhero movie. Quit trying to make each issue the next "Dark Knight Returns".<br><br>EVERY story doesn't have to be the friggin' Apocalypse. And, you should be able to tell the heroes from the bad guys -- if they all act the same, what's the point?

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11:45 a.m. CST

    less is more

    by ian216a

    see sinistro corps war for details

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11:48 a.m. CST

    speaking of which

    by ian216a

    Am I just making this up or did I read in one of DiDio's editorials, well at least an inference, that Final Crisis is part of the "lead-up" to Blackest Night? I can't be arsed to go check - but that sounds like damage limitation to me.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11:49 a.m. CST

    i like Final Crisis

    by newc0253

    and i say this as someone who has a basic understanding of the DC universe but knows sweet fuck-all about the various individual story lines that it's tying together.<p> hell, the only DC title that i've been reading regularly of late is the All-Star Superman and that's not even in the same continuity. but it's also written by Morrison and the man's a crazy genius.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Prof X and Babs Gordon...

    by Err

    Prof X is part of his identity. For Babs Gordon, it has not. You ask most people (in the general world) who Barbara Gordon is and they will say Batgirl before they even say Oracle. Batgirl is more a part of Babs' identity than her inability to walk. Prof. X was paralyzed from the moment we were introduced to him. Stan Lee also made him that way to make a point. How is it that one of the most powerful mutants on Earth is handicapped? I'm sorry, but I cannot accept that explanation. Especially since when Alan Moore asked the heads of DC if he could do that to Batgirl, the response was something to the effect of "Cripple the bitch." Unacceptable.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Speaking of current "epics" (SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER)

    by Err

    SPOILER<br>, SPOILER<br> SPOILER<br> Batman's girlfriend in the current RIP storyline is named Jezebel Jet who turned out to be the Black Glove. Jezebel? Like the girl in the bible? Like through pop culture means a hussy or a wicked woman (Thanks to the devil, wikipedia, for that one). Wow. Maybe we can create a male antagonist and name him Bastard or if we want to go biblical, we'll name him Judas Iscariot!

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Speaking of All-Star Superman

    by Snookeroo

    I hadn't read the series, but there was such a love-in in the last AICN Comics thread about it that I bought issues 1 - 12. I'm currently halfway through and I must give a heart-felt "thanks" to those who recommended the books.<br><br>It is without a doubt the best Superman story I've read in ages.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Glad you liked Snik

    by optimous_douche

    After all of the feed-back I was sorry i waited until issue 12 to tackle it.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Batgirl

    by Joenathan

    How long has she been Oracle and in her wheelchair? Longer than she was Batgirl, so which is more a part of her identity? When was killing joke published? 20 years ago? Also, how many women in the fridge have there been? One? Like 15 years ago? Where the fuck have you been, man? Gilligan's Island? You are incorrect about the lack of good stories or writers, you just have horrible taste, as evidenced by the implication that you wish to return to the smiling Norman Rockwell silver age, where, incidently, women were often tied up or portrayed as crying and useless... <br><br>For someone who doesn't care about comics, Err, you've certainly spouted off enough about them...

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 2:42 p.m. CST

    How could you be confused by Secret Invasion?

    by Reelheed

    Nothing has happened. Nothing has effected any of the major marvel characters. Heres the headlines Captain Marvel (plopped out of civilwar in that heinous 'the return' one shot) is a (dead) skrull, Spiderwoman(who?) is a skrull (queen), Yellowjacket (sigh) is a skrull and Jervis (WTF?) is a skrull. Basically - a bunch of 'who gives a shit' characters are having their moment in the sun. How shocking. How original. Great work Bendy.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Having said that...

    by Reelheed

    the xmen SI mini has been solid so far as have the thor mini and Black Panther and Initiative tie-ins. The FF mini was godawful and Spiderman mini was terrrrrrible just to balance things out it would seem.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Joenathan...to put it simply...WRONG.

    by Err

    I never said I don't care about comics. I said that I do not care for or about the current SI storyline. Second, even if she has been Oracle longer, it doesn't change the fact that most of the people in the world will probably always see her as Batgirl over Oracle. Maybe given more time, but not now. Also, I'm not talking about women in refrigerators, I'm talking about Women In Refrigerators. The latter is a syndrome involving the misuse of female characters in comics. Who said that I wish to return to the silver age? You did. Not me. Who said that I wish to have women timed up as being the damsel in distress? Not me. you did. Epic....fail. You've proven two things, that putting your words into my mouth is easier to do and it doesn't take any competence to be a part of an argument since you did not really debate any of my points, save for the Oracle issue. By saying, yes, there are good storylines and writers out there says really nothing. Give me the evidence. Outside of probably a handful of comics like GJ's GL run and sinestro corps, All Star Supes, etc.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 4:24 p.m. CST

    What Reelheed said

    by WarpedElements

    Except, Bendis introduces a buncha 'new' heroes, but instead of creating a new origin for any of them, they're simply the kids/grandkids/second cousins/half sibling to a buncha second rate heroes/villians/whatever. But I can hardly blame him. The last time he created a character's origin (Jessica Jones) he simply ripped off Madcap's origin, except Jessica Jones isn't/wasn't devoutly religious.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 4:25 p.m. CST

    "Most people"

    by Joenathan

    They don't matter as much as "comic readers" who know her as: Oracle, super cripple. The people who still know her as Batgirl simply haven't picked up a comic in twenty years... like you, apparently...<br><br>The examples of all the good writers and stories fill the racks every week, old man, especially where Marvel is concerned. If you can't see it... tsk, tsk, tsk... thats too bad. Also, why are you even here?<br><br>And quit making up non-existant syndromes. Women in comics are WAAAAAAAAAY more viable and respected now then their counterparts from yester year. Are comics still a boy's club? Yes, but then, you don't see me bitching about Burger's unfair portrayal in Sex and the City... except for right then. <br><br>Myabe I misunderstand you, maybe you're bitching about "the Bad Girl" trend... if so, once again, I'm glad to see that they rescued you from that desert island. Welcome back to civilization. Did you hear? Darth Vader is Luke's father! Oops... spoiler...

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 4:28 p.m. CST

    I though Dragon Prince and Dad was a title...

    by Alkeoholic77

    that would be an awesome comic book I think.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 4:41 p.m. CST

    " The examples of all the good writers and stories fill the rack

    by WarpedElements

    Those are few and far between. Though I do like the new spin on Thor....

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 9:37 p.m. CST

    Joenathan.

    by Err

    Where are you seeing these racks because it is not at my local Barnes and Noble, Borders, or the new comics that have been published by DC and the House of Ideas at my local comic shop (save for a few).<br><br> Ah, yes, the unheard of WIR syndrome. I must be making it up.<br><br> Oops... I'm not. What's that? Gail Simone, writer of Wonder Woman has a website and a list on the website?<br><br> http://www.unheardtaunts.com/wir/index.html <br><br> Women have come a way in comics, but still have a long way to go. <br><br> Why haven't we put forth the time and money to make a good female superhero movie? We've made Bats and Supes. But GL and Flash movies come out before Wonder Woman? HELL, GREEN FRIGGIN' ARROW IS COMING OUT BEFORE WONDER WOMAN. And she's a member of the Big 3 of DC.<br><br> Maybe, you need to expand your mind. I suggest you do some feminist readings of comics and look at that perspective and tell me it's fair in comics. I'm wanting equality.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 11:01 p.m. CST

    err

    by steverodgers

    you want equality for women in comics? I’m sorry but that day is not coming, and you are looking in the wrong place. American comics are not porn but they are close in the sense they are a medium created by men/boys, aimed at men/boys, and they are written by men/boys. there are lots of great female characters that are occasionally written with great care, and are fleshed out with more than just giant tits and a tiny jail-bate costumes and we all as readers applaud them, but until women start plunking down their hard earned dollar religiously every week like most of us fools on this talkback, then it is not going to happen. I think in general comics are in a much better place than they have been in terms of female characters and if one was a smith college academic feminist combing through comics there would be a lot to be excited about, while for the rest of us there is super-girl in her tiny skirt, firing through the atmosphere, ready to take on brainiac, while we all look up to admire both her brave and her bolds (or something like that).

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 1:23 a.m. CST

    are crossovers/epics for regular readers?

    by magsweeto

    Popular superheroes were always popping up in other titles to help bolster interest. What was cool about Secret Wars and Crisis on Infinite Earths was that, after decades of establishing (and yes, admittedly, re-establishing) characters through their own titles, a huge number of heroes and villains were thrown into the mix. Third and second tier characters were there alongside the heavy hitters. Now that there is an epic at least once every year, there is less time for character development in individual titles. Series are dedicated to the wind-up/cross-over/aftermath of each event; the universes have become bigger than the popular characters that helped establish them in the first place, and the epics seem less...epic. It gets redundant to say, "Did you see what they did to Superman/Wonder Woman/Batman/JLA/Spider-Man/Wolverine/Captain America/Avengers?" every few months. Here's hoping the big two take a few years to create consistent characterization, story-lines, and rivalries before doing something drastic to the entire universe and continuity.

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 5:45 a.m. CST

    Well Said Magsweeto

    by optimous_douche

    Thank you for getting the subtext :-)

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 7:51 a.m. CST

    My Last Last

    by HewligansHaircut

    Ah, it feels good, doesn't it... :)

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Err

    by Joenathan

    Oh shit, man, I’m sorry, I didn’t realize someone else had decided that Women in the Fridge was a rampant syndrome. I guess it MUST be real then. I apologize, I no longer consider you as having made it up, but more, simply that you parroted it. <br><br> To me though, the fact that you key in on Wonder Woman as support for your "argument" tells me that you probably wear sandals with socks, turtle neck shirts and go to spoken word symposiums in order to chat up chicks with your ready made bible of women’s lib buzzwords… yawn… <br><Br> Steverogers said it right, comics simply serve and reflect its main audience: Men/boys. And they will continue to do that because they are a business. Its as simple as that. The problem is that certain morons like to think that the simple acknowledgement of this fact makes someone a sexist. It doesn't, it makes them a realist. Sex and the City comes up again as another perfect illustration. Men are treated as villains, foibles, boobs, or sex objects on the show and rarely as characters of similar care and development but that’s okay, because the show is aimed at women. If it were to suddenly focus on men, a extremely large section of its audience would be alienated and disappear. That’s just the way it is, so keep on with your nonsense argument, if it makes you feel good. Its very easy to stand up and rail for something that isn’t ever going to happen, its an easy way to appear morally superior and yet not have to be bothered with the dirty details of actually having to do anything or affect change in any way what so ever. <br><br>The only problem is… You’ve chosen a subject where you are pretty wrong. To accuse comics of being anti-women is patently silly and insulting to a large section of people, both men and women, readers and creators. Many main stream comics are done by names that would be considered stalwart proponents of gender equality in the medium and their work plainly runs with a deep love of women and a respect of their strength. (Whedon's stuff, Bendis's stuff) You should pause and look. <br><br>And finally… for any simple minded folk out there who are unable to understand why Wonder Woman doesn't have a movie... here's why. She sucks. She's lame. She has no supporting cast of note and no key identifiable stories to build a franchise off of. She was created by a guy with a bondage fetish and it is still uncomfortably apparent despite the best efforts of various creative teams over the years. And no one cares. This is what exposes you as a poser, Err. No one cares about Wonder Woman or if she’s mishandled or whatever. No one cares. This is evidenced by a total lack of sales, despite a fairly respected creative team currently laboring away at this Sisyphean effort and gender can’t be used as the reason why since Buffy sells how many comics? How much did Alias sell? What about Runaways? Or Spiderwoman? Let’s not forget Birds of Prey? What about She-Hulk? Shit, even Ms. Marvel sells really well. Calling out Wonder Woman (why oh why doesn’t she have a movie) when all those reasons I stated are patently obvious and when there are many other interesting female characters who may not be as readily identifiable but are perhaps more deserving of the exposure and are more viable for the big screen (both for ease of adaptation and 3-dimensionality of character) and more respectful as a whole to women in general shows you for a poser who doesn’t actually care about the issue in the first place, but wants to appear that you do, look, pal, there’s no chicks here for you to impress with your false sensitivity to women’s issues. Go pussy hunt elsewhere. Nice show, but we can see the little man behind the curtain, understand?

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 10:43 a.m. CST

    "consistent characterization, story-lines, and rivalries"

    by Joenathan

    You mean: BESIDES Captain America, Daredevil, both Iron Mans, Ultimate Spider-man, the new Thor, the Illuminati books, Iron Fist, Thunderbolts and Astonishing X-men... you mean BESIDES those, right? <br><br>Right?

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Two words: Power Girl

    by Snookeroo

    No insignia, just a gaping hole in her costume that serves no purpose other than to show off her overly ample cleavage. Nothing sexist there. Nope.<br><br>Not that I'm complaining, you understand.<br><br>By the way -- Power Girl, the Movie: http://tinyurl.com/ybb3wa

  • Oct. 7, 2008, 10:19 p.m. CST

    5 Words: Putting Words in My Mouth

    by Err

    Again, Joenathan, you fail.<br><br> So me championing a cause or talking about wanting a change in something that has the possibility of never occurring is a bad thing? Jesus Christ. Good thing nobody ever told black people so that speakers like Dr. King and Malcom X demanding equal rights. Just because it is the status quo doesn't mean that it is okay.<br><br> Secondly, I did not say that comics was anti-women. To say that would be to discredit and discount the numerous female characters that comics has created. I am saying that there is an inequality. Inequality does not mean that it is completely anti-women. I'm glad you can follow directions though. Keep putting words in my mouth. I wish to use your statements to continue to point out how much you fail at this discussion.<br><br> For a comics fan, I'm suprised that you cannot point out Wonder Woman's supporting cast. Let's start with her mother, Steve Trevor, amazons, Artemis, Donna Troy, and the entire spectrum of Greek gods and godesses.<br><br> Her enemies? Ares, Cheetah, Giganta, Circe, Silver Swan, Morgana and now the prospect of Genocide.<br><br> Let's talk about the other females ready for the big screen. Supergirl. Yeah, that worked out well. And Elektra. Yeah, that worked out well. I mean, they only put half the budget of Daredevil into Elektra. And we put a little over half the budget of Superman: The Movie into Supergirl. Who helped write Superman: The Movie? Mario Puzo. THE GUY WHO WROTE THE FRIGGIN GODFATHER! Who helped write Supergirl? The guy who did Masters of the Universe. You know who helped write Daredevil? The guy who helped on Ghost Rider. The guy who helped write Elektra was the guy who helped write Last Action Hero. <br><br> I am constantly amused that rather than debate the points, you seem more interested in lashing out insults.<br><br> I like how you avoided discussing the comment about Batgirl from the DC head who said Cripple the Bitch. Or how in comics, Batman told PG to distract Toyman with her breasts. <br><br> Comics may be male dominated but it does not mean that we cannot still elevate the female superhero more than we have.<br><br> Again, Joenathan, you have contributed nothing. Proven nothing. Done nothing.

  • Oct. 8, 2008, 3:14 a.m. CST

    opinions-

    by nilskidoo

    Crossovers are one thing, in a shared world paths can sometimes cross. The epic stuff is another matter. Did Spidey really need to be involved in Secret Wars? Where is the line drawn that sacrificing a character's status quo and believability is alright for sales? Big events should not be so rapidfire. Marvel and DC are overestimating the finances of their readership, if 20 or 30 books need be purchased to 'get' the story. There are exceptions. DC's Millenium made sense unto itself, without all of the tie-ins. Or stories like Marvel's Acts of Vengeance and Inferno- neither of which really had a core, just different titles taking on more of a shared theme. The more recent DC stuff COULD have really worked, if more of the editors and writers involved had been paying any real attention to what Grant Morrison had up his discordian sleeves. The more recent Marvel stuff is just a mess all round. Running on adenaline leads to burnout.

  • Oct. 8, 2008, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Boobs

    by Joenathan

    I’m sorry, is “cripple the bitch” a direct quote? What’s your source? How about we comment on that once its something more than agenda driven, hysterical fanboy hyperbole, alright?<br><br> Ah…lets see… I skimmed your post… nothing there… useless, purposefully obtuse shit… waste of time… Ah! Look, man, I am aware of Wonder Woman’s supporting cast. My point wasn’t that that they didn’t exist, its that they were lame. Which they are. And so is she. That’s why she can’t support a successful solo title.<br><br> I am also aware of the examples of sexism in comics. You know what I do, simpletons? Instead of impotently railing against them on a message board, I… wait for it… I don’t buy them. <br><br> And Daredevil and Ghost Rider were craptastic movies made by retards for retards, just like Elektra and Supergirl. Gender had nothing to do with their immense failure. They were just bad. How much money did the two Underworld movies make?<br><br> I like how you softened your end of the debate. Did my point on how product is determined by its main market demographic actually get through to you? Well, consider me pleased.<br><br> Well, Mr. sensitive pony tail man, allow me to say that I have enjoyed engaging you in this week’s debate. See you next time!

  • Oct. 8, 2008, 9:22 a.m. CST

    Cripple the Bitch

    by Err

    Yeah, that'd be a direct quote. From the head of DC. To Alan Moore. Who confirmed it. If you need a source, pull up the magical Google and type in your magic words. press the magic button called Search. Watch the magic happen.<br><br> How has my stance softened? I said that I ask for equality in comics? Elevating the female superhero is not softening a stance. <br><br> I see. So instead of calling for an end to inequality in comics, you just don't buy them? Hmmm... that's a novel idea. Maybe I should do that. Oh wait... I do and I rail against them. Imagine that.<br><br> And the movies. I'm saying maybe, just maybe, if we hired real writers, and put a real budget into a female superhero film, then maybe, just maybe, we may actually see a decent film. But why? Why do we not put forth the budget or the talent?<br><br> I think I see the problem though in this debate: your inability to read posts...or your inability to actually debate the topics... or your inability to use specifics.<br><br> I mean, for someone who claims to read a lot of comics, I find it amusing that you couldn't name just a few of the many Marvel comics that are flooding the racks with great stories. <br><br> What amuses me even more is that this week's AICN Comics review deals with two epics: Batman's RIP and Secret Invasion and both confirm that it blows.<br><br> Keep grasping for straws though. Keep going.

  • Oct. 8, 2008, 2:27 p.m. CST

    Well...

    by Joenathan

    I wouldn't name Batman as one of the many great Marvel titles flooding the racks with great stories because, well... that’s from D.C. And I happen to disagree with AICN comics view of SI. I'm really enjoying it and its ancillary titles. As for my own personal list of great comics, in one of these old TBs from a week or three ago, I posted my pull list. Please refer to that as a guide to great comics with love from me to you.<br><br> As for the quote, true or not, one man's misogyny is not indicative of a company's mandate. relax.<br><br> And as for your impotent and misplaced war against gender inequality in comics here on the AICN talk backs, I wish you good luck and god speed. Please don't go to source with your complaints, rather keep bringing them up here and soon, oh so very soon, you'll see the change you desire. Why bother with action when you can settle for lip service, am I right? Eh? Eh?<br><br> I see your movie comment as true for ALL movies, not just one specific gender. And your stance has softened as you went from demanding equality now to saying that female heroines need to be elevated, something that is very obviously currently happening. Bandwagon, HO!<br><br> better luck next time...

  • Oct. 8, 2008, 2:45 p.m. CST

    One man's misogyny

    by Err

    When that person is an executive at DC, yeah, it is indicative.<br><br> And you are right, I shouldn't post my comments or opinions on a place that asks for them. Again, you assume that I have never "gone to the source." I enjoy these assumptions. They make you look like a dick.<br><br> How do we achieve equality in comics? How? Do you know? I think you do. It is by........wait for it ........ elevating them! AMAZING! My powers of reasoning are now rivaling that of Sherlock Holmes!<br><br> Sorry buddy, but again, now and forever, you fail.

  • Oct. 8, 2008, 4:55 p.m. CST

    I disagree, YOU fail

    by Joenathan

    HA!<br><br>And I bet the various employees of DC would disagree with your characterization of their corporate policies... <br><br>I find your refusal to admit that the female hero has been and continues to be elevated in many of today's comics to be somewhat suspect... <br><br>And you're right that you shouldn't post your comments, but you're wrong in the assumption that someone asked for them.

  • Oct. 8, 2008, 5:03 p.m. CST

    addendum

    by nilskidoo

    I had previously written this elsewhere, and it better presents my 2 cents. I think fans love continuity, and crossovers help endorse that. Of course, the ancient problem editors face is that too much continuity acts as a cockblocker from attracting new fans. Decades of backstory can be intimidating, especially to the 30 second attention spans shared by the kidz today. As for the scale of crossovers themselves having a place, I think it depends on the subject and general execution. In the late 90's, marvel had a big one called Acts of Vengeance, which had no real central book- only a theme which all of the writers played with. Same with Inferno, although the meat of the story was confined to the X-stable of books. In years past, the epic crossovers were relegated to summer fare blockbusters, or shared-theme annuals. Nowadays, it does seem the Big Two seem overly reliant on these massive arcs, like they are now subject to teevee producers' sweeps months mentalities., nonstop. I would equate this with having nightly sex with Holly Madison. It would be fucking fantastic at first, but eventually, even heaven would dull itself down. Inundation will factor in soon, I bet. Sublime can be an art. Keep the well written stories as commonplace in volume, but save the "epic" for certain books, or for the summertime midget-toss and BBQ's. And I still wonder if John Nee's recent departure from DC was in direct correlation to the company's ignorance of Morrison's framework. If they had treated him as a story editor and followed suit, they would have made a neat playground for the comic community. Instead, the obvious disorganization embarrassed themselves, and comic books in general. Certain writers just think big-scale, like Morrison and Millar and Ellis; so let these types map out the big events for other creators to build from. And above all keep it to at most, a quarterly occurrence. If the regular monthlies cannot function without these constant parades, then hire better creators, or just cancel them already. It is not that complicated.

  • Oct. 8, 2008, 9:28 p.m. CST

    BWAHAHAHA!

    by Err

    I fail? Wow. Thanks for using my comeback against me. You really got me.<br><br> I'm pretty sure that various current DC employees would disagree, you know with hindsight being 20/20 and all.<br><br> I wonder if that horse you've been beating is dead yet cause I'm starting to see brains squish out from the head. To say that the female superhero has not been elevated from when she first started out is naive and stupid. Notice I did not take that stance. Rather, this is an instance, *sigh*, again, *sigh*, where you have put words into my mouth and/or assume that I have taken a stance that I have not. In fact, your responses are becoming so contrite and mundane that I'm really half assing this retort.<br><br> My comment on equality in comics was an extension of a larger argument that comics can shock people by not having big events every frickin' year and that they can shock with good storylines in single issues. They shouldn't have to rely on these big events. All of which is in response to the question at the end of AICN: STM.<br><br> You are epic fail.