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Published at: Oct. 3, 2008, 3:01 a.m. CST

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James Hibberd at the Hollywood Reporter has compared the season-premiere ratings (for adults 18-49) of returning shows against those shows’ premiere ratings last season. Most improved year-over-year premieres were CW’s “Supernatural” and CBS’s “Criminal Minds” and “How I Met Your Mother.” Biggest decliners so far are ABC’s “Pushing Daisies” and Fox’s “Terminator” and “Don’t Forget The Lyrics.” As Hibberd points out, some returning shows, including "CSI," have not yet started their new seasons. Find all of his story on the matter here.


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  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:41 p.m. CST

    debates

    by lb_12

    What everyone too busy watching debates?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:41 p.m. CST

    oh and first and second

    by lb_12

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:41 p.m. CST

    First!

    by sn2214

    Heck-a-va-lot!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:41 p.m. CST

    Supernatural's ratings improving?

    by jim

    And in tomorrow's news, the CW has just cancelled Supernatural.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:43 p.m. CST

    Those shows that stayed away when the strike started

    by Pennsy

    and didn't come back for 7 or 8 months are taking it up the ass the most. Not just Heroes, but Pushing Daisies in particular. Knight Rider AND Gary Unmarried beat it head-to-head. That's a direct result, IMO, of ABC's decision to hold back the show until September instead of jumping back into the fray sooner.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Good for Supernatty!

    by D_T

    We discovered it after S1 (via DVD) and have been enjoying it ever since! The market share is obviously still small, but it's terrific for a CW show.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:55 p.m. CST

    Perhaps they could have cultivated a following

    by Big Bad Clone

    for these shows by using the tried and true method of showing reruns instead of throwing up a bunch of taletless hicks on a stage or mansion or some shit. The reruns would give us a chnace to see shows we might have missed. The reality shit just drives people away from TV. <p><p>Pushing Daisies may be a hard sell, but I love that show and will go to great lenghts to punish any asshole who tries to get it yanked off the air.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:05 p.m. CST

    None of the new premieres have interested me.

    by F-18

    When one does, I'll probably wait a while to start watching when I think it might not get canceled. <p> So far, I've just continued to watch the same shows I've always watched.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:09 p.m. CST

    Terminator

    by picardsucks

    Should be about a big ass scary Teutonic killing machine not a waifish Radio Disney overtly sexual cyborg They really can't help themselves in hollywood can they trying to shove everything into the whole pretty people, youth culture, mtv-ish, vapid dumbed down model. who really cares at this point??

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Hopefully

    by StuckinthePresentPaused

    these networks will give some of these shows some leash before they get the axe because shows like pushing daisies is only gonna go up with word of mouth its such a good show thats well written

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:15 p.m. CST

    WOOO!!! SUPERNATURAL!!!

    by Shermdawg

    Herc, c'mon mannnnn...throw the show a bone. It's only got two more seasons, you've seen how it usually overtakes the Smallville discussion (and usually causes those to rank in the top three most popular talkbacks), we know you guys want clicks, you'll get it with this show.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Glad to see Supernatural is building up

    by Lyghthouse

    Hell, I kind of even like it better than the X-Files. Its a helluva lot more fun.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:17 p.m. CST

    So more people are watching Criminal Minds,

    by Amy Chasing

    90210 gets a full season, and ratings for Pushing Daisies go down. World's going to hell in a handbasket people. I'm going to get a beer. Anyone want anything?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:28 p.m. CST

    I imagine Don't Forget The Lyrics' main problem is

    by TroutMaskReplicant

    That Wayne Brady doesn't get to choke any bitches. Always a shame, I think.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:34 p.m. CST

    Terminator needs more kick ass eps to win the fans over..

    by Aloy

    ...before they do the back story character development stuff. I still really like what they're doing but time is running out... Good on Supernatural, always liked that show.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:37 p.m. CST

    Support Pushing Daisies

    by Lovecraftfan

    This is really distressing. Such a great unique show that nobody's watching

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:38 p.m. CST

    by Lovecraftfan

    Well not enough people I should say

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:38 p.m. CST

    Daisies really should be on cable...

    by Paul T. Ryan

    Why are these niche-audience shows even pitched to the majors? As for Terminator, it was a pointless idea to begin with, and I don't care if that one gets cancelled.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Daisies is too expensive

    by Mr. N

    It really should be on cable, only 13 episodes a year or so. It can't do this 20-23 times a season. Not without becoming drab.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Yea Mitch

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    Liked him since he was The Skinman<br> This was a great role for him<br> Too bad it probably can't be a reoccurring

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Terminator is still such a dumbass show.

    by IAmJack'sUserID

    I watch it, and somewhat enjoy it, but they need to actually re-read what they write and ask themselves how stupid some of their crap is. I mean there are moments when something so idiotic will happen that I am pulled out of the show and I find myself wondering why someone did this or didn't do that. John Connor fixes Cameron's chip by cleaning it? Or that whole following part where Cameron nearly kills everyone but she's out of service or whatever, and so let's turn her on again because I am sure my cleaning cloth has defeated any microscopic damage to this super-advanced computer chip.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:54 p.m. CST

    It wasn't the chip

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    it wasn't busted, a cold reboot reset some other process<br> When she came back on line the terminate command was present until it was overridden by another process

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:54 p.m. CST

    I'll pay for more episodes of Pushing Daisies

    by snowpuff

    It's time for someone to try the direct pay model.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:57 p.m. CST

    I appreciate Pushing Daisies, but

    by TVguy4566

    I tired of it quickly. I'm really not into that style of show anyway, but I did appreciate it for what it is and how well it was put together. Unfortunately, I agree with the poster about it being kinda repetitive. I felt it was a little too much style over substance.<br><br> As for Terminator, I enjoy it as a guilty pleasure, but won't be devistated when it is canceled after its 13th episode this season. I just hope they wrap up the storyline rather than just leave the show hanging. <br><br> I am glad to see How I Met Your Mother doing well. Maybe it won't be a bubble show yet again this year.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Ha Ha! Doc Brown in the Supernatural Back to the Future

    by jim

    And Dean driving a Gremlin (or was that a Pinto?).

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10 p.m. CST

    And Heroes is dying! BIG TIME!! YEEAHH!

    by Speed Fricassee

    Silence that fucking show and its fucking fucker writers and fucking bad fucking actors!!! AWFUL!! AWFUL!! AWFUL!!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:06 p.m. CST

    heroes...

    by StuckinthePresentPaused

    has been better but there are some things that i personally don't lie ( not knowing how to write peter becasue he is too powerful so they just take him out of the story) but from what i understand it still is doing great in the demographics so sorry it prolly isnt going anywhere

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Supernatural

    by Cobbio

    I just started watching "Supernatural" this season, thanks to a friend pushing me into it, and I'm glad I did. Great writing, excellent acting, scary as hell action sequences, and unexpected twists all over the place have pulled me in.<p> Now I just need to watch the first few seasons on DVD...

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:17 p.m. CST

    TERMINATOR TSCC IS GREAT! FANBOYS ARE GAY!

    by Earthquake WestCoast

    Whoever thinks that Terminator should be about a big ass scary Teutonic killing machine not a hot sexual cyborg must be GAY!!! ARE ALL YOU FANBOYS GAY!!! YES. That's why you're afraid of girls and like movies featuring big musclear sweaty men wearing little shorts in the movie "300". Or how you like films about comic books featuring men in tight spandex or black leather. GAY!!! THE SARAH CONNER CHRONICLES is the best show on television! How come this new generation of young guys are so gay and girl like? The Russians are going to have a field day with you all once you get drafted in the upcoming war! Have a nice day.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:19 p.m. CST

    MOVE SARAH CONNER TO A BETTER NIGHT!

    by Earthquake WestCoast

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:20 p.m. CST

    Big drop for Heroes yet it still has the highest numbers!

    by Mr. Moe

    Nice!!!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:31 p.m. CST

    No Kristen Bell until AT LEAST the October 27 Heroes...

    by Pennsy

    She's not in the guest star listing for episode 6, whose story summary was released by NBC this morning. The show will have an ep 10/27, then resume 11/10 for the stretch run of the Villains arc.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:35 p.m. CST

    On the other hand...

    by Mockingbird Girl

    PUSHING DAISIES, SARAH CONNOR and HEROES are exactly the type of genre shows likely to improve drastically when timeshifted viewing (i.e., DVRs) is taken into account. It's probably premature to count them out just yet.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:51 p.m. CST

    I'm pretty sure Terminator is pulling in more viewers than Priso

    by TallBoy66

    That's what I'm pretty sure I see on Zap2it. So why is Fox ready to pull the plug on Terminator and not PB? Eh, even if it's done this season, hopefully it'll have a non-cliffhanger, somewhat cohesive ending. Two small, inexpensive DVD sets will fit nicely on the shelf between T2 and T3.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11:12 p.m. CST

    He actually mentioned Supernatural!

    by superpan

    Can we have a Supernatural talkback please?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11:13 p.m. CST

    TallBoy66

    by TVguy4566

    It is generally accepted that this is the last year of Prison Break. Also, Prison Break isn't as expensive as a show because Terminator uses a lot more CGI and other special effects. That is why Terminator is more likely not to get picked up for a full season.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11:18 p.m. CST

    I've finally officially dumped Heroes

    by digitalcos

    There's just too much good shit on television for me to waste my time with a show that has consistently insulted my intelligence.<p>The core issue I have with Heroes is that the plot has always driven the characters, instead of the characters driving the plot. Every character keeps making dumb ass decisions, not because it makes sense for that character based on what we've learned about them as a person, but based on the fact the writers need the plot to advance from point "A" to point "B".<p>So, suddenly Suresh is going to forget everything he's learned about the dangers of the blind pursuit of science over the last seasons and just inject himself with that shit? Why? Because the writers needed that puzzle piece to advance their plot. Well, I'm done tolerating that crap. I've removed it from my DVR.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11:19 p.m. CST

    Shermdawg:

    by Regenhund

    What's this about Supernatural going only 2 more seasons? I'm not opposed to a great show having a set termination point, but I hadn't heard that.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11:21 p.m. CST

    terminator

    by digitalcos

    It's too bad the season started out as weak as it did, because last week's episode was pretty kick-ass. The rough start may have killed it though.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11:54 p.m. CST

    Terminator has too much horrible drama

    by PornKing

    I still watch TSCC, but it has to be with the DVR so I can fast forward just about any scene Lena Headey is in (sarah connor). It's the most boring drama bullshit you've ever seen whenever she's on screen. Not even a hint of the hardcore Linda Hamilton.

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 12:09 a.m. CST

    Holy Mackeral!

    by Goody2shoes

    They full on Back to the Future-d Supernatural tonight. Then threw in some Episode V action with Mary's backstory (I mean the shock of it, not like she's really their father or something). Underrated doesn't begin to describe my feelings for this show. Pitch-perfect writing and characters.

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 12:23 a.m. CST

    C'MON!

    by DocManhattan

    Pushing Daisies is one of the most enjoyable shows I have seen in a long time. Although I do agree that it should stick to a shorter season than 22 episodes. 12 or 13 episodes would be about right. The production design, music, writing, pretty much everything about it is great. While I also like the Sarah Connor Chronicles, Pushing Daisies is the one show that I'd be really pissed off about if it got cancelled.

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 12:25 a.m. CST

    Don't care how bad Knight Rider is....

    by Ka Dargo

    That lead woman (forgot her character name) is so freakin hot it's ridiculous!!!! The eyes, hair tight ass body.....one of the most perfect flat tone stomach's ever!!

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 12:26 a.m. CST

    TSCC is pretty fun.

    by Toonol

    The writers love the movies, you can tell, even if they can't always measure up to the quality.<p> And those of you, any of you, rooting for TSCC or Pushing Daisies or Heroes to be canceled are sad, unhinged, people. Neurotic to feel that insulted by the very EXISTENCE of a show.

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 12:26 a.m. CST

    TVguy4566 and others are right about Pushing Daisies

    by Monkeybrains

    I have tried to watch every episode, EVERY episode and about the 45 minute mark I end drifting off to another section of the house. It's too unique for it's own good. While that may work for a 2 hour movie or even for a couple of episodes, it becomes maddening week after week. <p> Plus there are too many fucking commercials during the last half hour, like every 6 minutes. It takes me right out and I end up bored with the whole thing. <p> Props for what they tried to do but in the end, fail

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 12:27 a.m. CST

    Terminator is currently my favorite show on TV...

    by NinjaRap

    ...the only show I've managed to get into heavily since Buffy and Angel left the air. The characters are great, I love the deep mythology and the interpersonal relationships, and it's even developing a cool arc and sense of humor. My friends and I love discussing each episode... I really would hate to see it go now.

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 12:34 a.m. CST

    Monkeybrains

    by StuckinthePresentPaused

    i can understand where some of the problem with PD is because if u tink about it it is like any other procedural show in a disney wrapping. and yeah it is a little too cute which i thikn is what makes it enjoyable but aas for the commercials i dont kno about last season becasue i saw most of it on dvd but as for the season premiere they did the first 20 minutes without a commercial and had to obviously do the commercials somewhere it wont be a regular occurence they just were trying to inform the new audience and get them invested in that episodes story before a commercial

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 12:52 a.m. CST

    Pushing Daisies

    by Toonol

    I've seen two episodes, and they were great, lots of fun, but I have very little desire to watch it again. A weird opposition to Heroes, which has all sorts of problems, but keeps me coming back without fail.

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 1:11 a.m. CST

    Terminator remains my favorite show

    by Zedul

    I don't care that it's not perfect. At least I am not watching that fetid crap that passes for "Emmy Award" winning television these days. AKA Grays Anatomy and Mad Men and every other prime time soap opera on TV. Why don't they just leave that shit on during day hours with General Hospital and all that?

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 1:15 a.m. CST

    Toonol

    by digitalcos

    Getting crappy shows cancelled frees up production money and airtime for other shows and sends a signal to the industry that we want quality.

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 1:21 a.m. CST

    Supernatural is kicking ass

    by Cotton McKnight

    And it's better than Buffy the Vampire Slayer ever thought about being.

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 1:23 a.m. CST

    digital

    by StuckinthePresentPaused

    the problem is that its not only crappy shows getting canceled. now i have a weird taste in shows and im not gonna hate on somebody for there tastes in show but there is a big difference between shows that are crappy and shows that just dont appeal to certain people. Thas my problem with the CW network. i like the show Reaper which actually was a better rated show than gossip girl but because the CW wants to cater to teenage girls all the reaper fans have to wait til midseason to be brought back.

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 1:33 a.m. CST

    I love Pushing Daisies, but...

    by Crimson King

    They need to find a way to make it a more serial show as opposed to just keeping it episodic. I don't know if I'm using the right lingo, but whatever. I mean, if they stick to the same formula over and over, people will get bored...and apparently that's already taking place...

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 1:39 a.m. CST

    HIMYM deserves this...

    by DanielKurland

    I think Pushing Daisies LOOKS impressive as hell, with just gorgeous cinematography, and I do enjoy the characters and situations, but I don't think I'd really be that crushed if it were to be cancelled.

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 1:46 a.m. CST

    crimson

    by StuckinthePresentPaused

    i dont think thats the case because every show has a formula they stick too for most episodes especially a procedural show like CSI which PD is just with a candy coating. I never seen HIMYM and i was interested in checking it out when i seen Sarah Chalke was doing episdoes since i like scrubs butfrom rumors i hear about who is the mother probably related to the fact that if im gussing right that sarah is the one brought back to scrubs if ABC keeps it for another year i lost interest

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 1:47 a.m. CST

    Not Surprising

    by jebuslovesyou666

    The fact that TSCC is doing poorly is because the show is fucking terrible and insulting to viewers who appreciate the genre. I really liked it last season and was looking forward to it this year, but it blows. Its lame and they're doing a half-ass job of creating a show based around the franchise. As far as Heroes goes...I don't believe they even have storyline thought out. They make it up as they go, its garbage, Season 1=awesome. Season2-3= garbage. By all rights, it should be the most incredible show of all time. Instead it just became convoluted steaming pile of shit. Now there's clones???!!! Ali Larter has been cast as the most uninteresting fucking character of all time, that just happens to have super powers.The show terrible and the writers are just giant douchebags for even coming up with such horseshit storylines.

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 2:25 a.m. CST

    Daises is Always Enjoyable

    by TOASTERslayer

    I may be in the minority here, but Pushing Daises is such a nice change of pace from other shows, I always find it enjoyable. "Heroes", "T:TSCC" and "Lost" are all so serious that its SO NICE to watch a show that is light and entertaining and most of all, FUN. I agree that it can be repetitious, but the characters always bring me back. And also this premiere (which got the lowest ratings) had the most to do with a serialized plot, so I feel like many of you are off your mark.

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 2:30 a.m. CST

    Agent Johnson

    by TOASTERslayer

    I'm sorry about anyone who say Pushing Daisies is "not compelling enough in its storytelling" simply doesn't watch the majority of television out there. What's better? I'll give you LOST, and maybe BSG, but other than that you've got nothing...

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 2:47 a.m. CST

    Supernatural

    by MonkeyManReturns

    ...is a great show. Compelling characters...a great story line...and some nifty acting....the two leads are brilliant and its a crying shame that this show is overlooked...Pusjing Daisies - hmmm...it is nice and quirky, and the performances are great, but the show is hardly compelling...and as for Terminator - the producers need to stop this sexy robot fantasy and give us some crazy ass machines, or its going to be dead very very soon.

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 2:50 a.m. CST

    Terminator is my favourite thing on at the moment

    by photoboy

    So that means it's definitely going to be cancelled. :(

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 2:58 a.m. CST

    Winchesters

    by deanbarry

    Haven't seen boys of that calibre in a show about monsters before. They are the big guns! It has been improving with every season. Word!

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 3:07 a.m. CST

    Supernatural! How I met your mother!

    by David Cloverfield

    Someone's been paying attention, those are two shows I hoped will get a bigger viewership to avoid cancellation. Although HIMYM isn't that good this year so far. Supernatural however could carry it's own SUPERNATURAL NETWORK.

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 3:34 a.m. CST

    At Earthquake West Coast- I hear you! When will Cameron put ou

    by Particularly Hard Vato

    Hey- I agree- I mean, when will this robot put out? If she were my terminator pet, I would teach her well!

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 3:40 a.m. CST

    This Sucks!

    by The Outlander

    Pushing Daisies & Terminator are my two favorite shows and I have no interest in Supernatural or Criminal Minds.

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 4:46 a.m. CST

    That's great news about Supernatural.

    by Imagikafan

    It's been outstanding this season, so far.

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 5:24 a.m. CST

    Pushing Daisies - quirky gets irritating after a bit

    by Yeti

    Think Biork.

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 5:52 a.m. CST

    Supernatural

    by David Cloverfield

    I think the fact that it's not overhyped like Lost or Heroes helps it a lot. They don't have to drag out storylines, they keep it tight, knowing cancellation can come at any moment. They still keep to the Five Year Plan, but everything that happens matters. They've killed of John and YED (Azazel) before they overstayed their welcome. Same with the FBI guy. Or Bela. Or that little girl hunter. There's not a single episode or character I hate or feel it drags down the story. That's very rare. The show's writing is just tight as hell right now.

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 5:56 a.m. CST

    Good to see Heroes going down...

    by Gezoes

    Overrated BS... shame about Terminator though, but I've stopped watching as well since episode 2 of season 2. One thing I don't get is... enough Grey's House Hospital and NSICSISNCIS let's-solve-a-murder with a few out of touch B-actors series already!

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 6:20 a.m. CST

    Last night's Supernatural was outstanding

    by Jack Black

    It's good to see that a show in it's 4th season is turning it up a notch. Agree with lot's of folks about Pushing Daisies. I hope it succeeds because it's diffferent and the cast is great....but I never want to watch it.

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 6:25 a.m. CST

    I Am Pulling For TERMINATOR and PUSHING DAISIES

    by Red Dawn Don

    I Am Pulling For TERMINATOR and PUSHING DAISIES. (Like my help has ever helped.) TERMINATOR for me and my Summer Glau addiction and PD for my family's viewing. Sidebar: Swoosie Kurtz (the eye-patch "aunt") has one of those extra long tongues in real life. Go to youtube to see it. It is epic, you'll be amazed. Now everyone should go and have some PIE. Negative posters please SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE.

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 6:28 a.m. CST

    Special Note To Swoozie Kurtz:

    by Red Dawn Don

    Special Note To Swoozie Kurtz: If this mainstream acting thing ever dries up for you, please do porn movies. They need a tongue like yours over there.

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 6:46 a.m. CST

    Save TERMINATOR

    by Volllllume3

    FFS I love that show. I'm ecstatic that Supernatural is doing well but I don't want TSCC cancelled. By FAR the best sci-fi show on television right now, some episodes make Battlestar look like teenage soap opera in space.

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 6:56 a.m. CST

    SUPERNATURAL

    by Toby___Wong

    I am so glad the ratings are up. This show, that is not overhyped, kicks ass more than ever. And the Winchester Brothers are some of the most badass characters ever on television. And Bobby oozes coolness.

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 7:19 a.m. CST

    Mitch Pileggi

    by GaiustheBrave

    did a good job last night, imo. Especially in the last couple of scenes, sitting at the table..."Of course it's personal. You're trying to kill me." The whole bit with mommmy Winchester making her deal with the devil. Awesome. Great episode. The only thing I don't like about cosmic battles in film, cinema, books and religion is the whole battle between good and evil having to involve humans. Castiel (sp?) told Dean (I'm quoting as well as I can) "Take care of it or we will." Well, then, why didn't ya'll take care of it in the first place? Why all the mystery and possible failure? "If so powerful you are, why run?"

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 7:31 a.m. CST

    Terminator is great...

    by Judge Briggs

    It sux it's up against Monday night football... WTF?!

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 8:12 a.m. CST

    But Smallville...?

    by Gislef_crow

    Part of the Supernatural success might be attributable to Smallville getting their heads of out of their asses. After dumping Gough & Millar, at least the newish folks are bringing their B game to the table (I don't think they've ever had an A game.)

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 8:37 a.m. CST

    Watch Pushing Daisies

    by dictatordaniel

    I'm happy to see that How I Met Your Mother is doing well but distressed at the same time for the news about Terminator and Pushing Daisies.

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 8:54 a.m. CST

    TV is dying

    by MrFloppy

    The networkt need to jumt to the next step: On Demand. Forget Hulo, and other sites to see series. Forget TV rating (obsolete) forever. Just give us free episodes (with ads) on something like TiVo On Demand or iTunes (you watch for free with ads, or you pay for no ads), or PS3, Xbox...

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 9 a.m. CST

    Yay for Supernatural!

    by Psynapse

    Got roped in during S3 and have enjoyed every episode I've seen. It's like Buffy for guys without the preachy moral attitude. Just 2 brothers trying to make the best of a truly shit situation.

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 9:23 a.m. CST

    I Stopped Watching Terminator

    by BilboRing

    It got waaaaay to stupid. Okay, we just had a gun fight, crashed cars, are bleeding, and we killed some people. Let's go home. John has school in the morning. Oh, and I'll just go and get a job at the local nuclear power plant. Should only take a day to do that.

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Terminator is really good.

    by SantiagoAtez

    I admit, I thought it was retarded when the pilot came on...still think the pilot sucked. But almost every ep. since has been a winner IMHO. Did you last weeks? One of the best so far. No, I'm not saying that this series is on the level of The Wire or The Shield, etc., but compared to the majority of TV is it way up there.

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 9:46 a.m. CST

    If anyone watched the premiere of PD its clear theyre are

    by Lovecraftfan

    overarching storylines such as the reappearence of Ned's dad.

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 10:26 a.m. CST

    People complain about PD, but suck Gilmore Girl ass?!

    by Darth Bauer

    Ridiculous. Pushing Daisies is one of the most original and entertaining shows on tv right now.

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Neilson Ratings are inaccurate.

    by Reverend Toast

    The only way to be a Neilson household is to have a landline. I, and many others like me, only have a cell phone. Pushing Daisies is one of my favorite shows, along with Chuck, Psych, and Burn Notice... how many others are there like me that enjoy these shows, but don't fit into the Neilson demographic? There needs to be a new system for show ratings because to me it is pretty obvious that the current system is severely outdated.

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 10:43 a.m. CST

    Don't Forget the Lyrics is such a lame title

    by I am_NOTREAL

    Let's change Deal or No Deal to "Don't Pick Too Many High Dollar Amounts on the Board and End Up With a Low Offer from the Banker or Only One Dollar."

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Supernatural is getting awesome

    by v1cious

    the new season has been great so far.

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Yeah, Supernatural is definately on

    by Raymar

    I just hope they don't forsake stand-alone episodes in favor of mytharc ones.

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 1:04 p.m. CST

    How I met your mother

    by ItsDiaperTime

    I was extremely skeptical of HIMYM at first but I gave it a chance last season and was pleasantly surprised. I think it's the best/only laugh track show i can watch on TV right now

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 1:45 p.m. CST

    8 pm wednesday=Bones...

    by j2talk

    pushing Daisies gets taped to watch later....

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Gaius "Take care of it"

    by A for Aristocrat

    Castiel can take care of it by killing Sam. He doesn't want to do that. I think they brought Dean back because he is the only one that can save Sam without killing him. Also, whoever defined Supernatural as Buffy for guys.....brilliant.

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 3:03 p.m. CST

    A for Aristocrat

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    Just because something claims to be an angel, doesn't mean it is.<p> Last nights episode could have been for the purpose of driving a rift between the brothers.<br> With the added bonus of bring pain and torment to Dean.<p> Castiel could be one of the big olde tymey demons.<br> One of the ones who went thru the fall.<br> Was an angel before becoming a demon.<p> The demons in the series have said they've never seen any of those also.

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 3:05 p.m. CST

    PD is gonna get canceled for the same reasons as AD.

    by flickchick85

    It's too smart and too unique for "Middle America." Remember, these are the people that made CSI and other procedurals the highest-rated shows on TV, and shows like Two-and-a-half Men the highest-rated "comedies." They are the same people that have been responsible for the deaths of all the greatest TV shows for over a decade.<p> I'm now officially on board with the viewers paying/subscribing for shows model now. No one actually cares enough about these procedurals/law shows to pay to keep it on the air, but I can guarantee you those shows with small-but-passionate audiences are the ones that will prosper. In other words, Good Television. It would probably go a long way in killing off the abortion that is reality TV, too.

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Melvin_Pelvis

    by A for Aristocrat

    I agree there is probably more to Castiel than meets the eye. They always twist characters around. He might be lying, he might be a fallen angel, he could be one of those crazy christopher walken prophesy angels. For right now though the set up is Dean with the angels Sam with the demons. I'm sure all of that will be flipped on its head by the end of the season.

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Earl

    by digitalcos

    Not surprised in the least that Earl took a hit. After last season's misguided detour, I nearly gave up on it. Looks like they may be back on track this season. May be too little too late though.

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 3:25 p.m. CST

    terminator is fucking fantastic

    by FamousEccles

    move football to tuesday

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 3:28 p.m. CST

    as for heroes...

    by FamousEccles

    can someone explain why future peter tried to murder his brother rather than just telling him what would happen? where the going for a who shot JR/Mr Burns thing. some hope.

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 4:31 p.m. CST

    FamousEccles

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    the plot called for it<p> There is no real characters in heroes.<br> There are powers and plot devices with faces attached

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 5 p.m. CST

    Why does Pushing Daisies set off my OWN Gaydar?

    by Cheif Brody

    I kinda love this show...but does it make me gay? Lol!! I've never been a fan of "whimsy"...and the season premiere was the most "whimsical" episode ever for that show. Chenoweth in a nunnery?!! Doing 'Sound of Music' spins on top of a mountain? <p> PING....PING....PING!! Sorry...my Gaydar goes off when I even think of that!! <p> But, the production design...the writing (it's the 'Moonlighting' writing that I'm a sucker for)...the cinematography...the special effects...(The creepy 'bee man' suit'? Outstanding!) the overall "look"...Geez...I have no idea how they can possibly crank out 22 of these a season. <p> But, yes...they have a formula...and are sticking to it. I really wanna see them break the usual pattern a few times this season...Where Ned doesn't touch the dead person until the END of the episode...Like...they try to solve the mystery FIRST...then wake the dead guy at the end to see if they were right. Just change it up. <p> And, as always...they need to put in more Digby. <p> PING...PING...PING!!! There it goes again!! Sorry!!

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 5:59 p.m. CST

    I'm suprised Supernatural isn't covered here

    by tbransonlives

    I started watching the dvds last month(thanks Timetravellingbunny!) and I'm 7 episodes into season 3. It is the 2nd best geek show(after lost) on tv right now. Does Herc not watch the show is that why it doesn't get a tb?

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 6:30 p.m. CST

    The only way to save Terminator

    by ThrowMeTheIdol

    Is get rid of Sarah. How can John be a hero when his mom is always around him being tougher than he is? <p>Too bad about the title which prevents them from changing it this way.

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 7:03 p.m. CST

    Wait a minute!

    by VicSage

    Let's see here. One data point (one week's ratings) and we're already playing the Dead Pool. Is everyone truly that impatient? Are reporters so lazy with no real news to repeort that this qualifies? ( I already know the answer to that one, see the last 5 years of Paris Hilton coverage). I expect this mentality from the networks, but the fans better watch it or they'll be no better. Maybe we get what we deserve.

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 7:52 p.m. CST

    I cannot say enough about Supernatural

    by My Pretty Pony

    It's so clever and well-written. The producers, writers and directors are so on the ball, you can tell they really care about putting out a good show every week. There are only 2 stars, but they have such tremendous charisma, chemistry, not to mention talent, that they have no problem carrying the show. The recurring characters and even the guest stars are always excellent. It's no wonder the show is doing so well this season. I swear, it just keeps getting better and better w/ each new season. Kripke has stated that the show will only be 5 seasons long, but I really think he should reconsider and plan for a 6th season. They're on their 4th and haven't lost any steam at all, plus we got gypped last season due to the strike. "Buffy" has been my favorite show for many years now, but SN is giving it some serious competition, and coming from me, that's saying A LOT...As for "Sarah Connor Chronicles", I really hope they give the show a chance this season. I really enjoy watching it, but they do need to step it up a notch or two. It seems like they've been playing it a little too safe and so far, we haven't been seeing nearly enough of Derek.

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Heroes / Terminator #s may be skewed because of MNF

    by TallBoy66

    Sure, Monday Night Football is on ESPN, and that's cable, but EVERYBODY gets ESPN so broadcast or not it's going to kill in the ratings. but MNF ends in Jan. and then the monday nighters get room to breathe ala 24 (moving the show to mid-season non-stop was the smartest thing FOx ever did). They'd both probably pick up by then.

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 8:22 p.m. CST

    Terminator and Supernatural

    by Jack_Bauer

    Are the best things on television at the moment. Supernatural is 3 for 3 in quality episodes this season, and Terminator is 3 for 4 with only the power plant episode being a bit duff, it isn't perfect televison, but it's damn entertaining and the avenues they are starting to explore now could get REALLY interesting towards the end of the season.(FOX you'd better fucking give them the back 9) The introduction of angels in Supernatural has given a great sense of foreboding to procedings that just wasnt there before, it seems like an end of days good vs evil battle is on the way and it's amping up the tension no end. Great stuff. Whoever said that the charecters on heroes being stupid in accordance with the plot is bang on, because that show could be destroying the competition at the moment but it's such a convoluted mess. I'm still watching as it's just about falling on the right side of entertaining thanks to high production values and decent performances, but for god sake step it up heroes writers, you've got godlike charecters, a rediculous effects budget and you're wasting time on soapy plot twists. Remember back towards the end of season 1 where we were all waiting for the knockdown dragout peter vs sylar fight? I want THAT level of anticipation back please. Just please don't fuck it up this time.

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 8:23 p.m. CST

    Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles

    by jim

    Is there a more awkward and clunky title than this one? I really like the show but hate the title. It's due to my dislike of the use of "chronicles" in a title. It is used way too often and, in most cases, comes across as simply pretentious, like they're trying to make it seem more important or classier than it is.

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Terminator: Fight the Future

    by TallBoy66

    There's a better title, and it may get some misdirected X-Files geeks to tune in...but judging from the performance of I Want to Believe, not that many.

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 8:39 p.m. CST

    Terminator: The Female Cyborg Loves Mini-Skirts

    by TallBoy66

    I take that back, THAT'LL help ratings. Anyone wanna take an in-continuity stab at why Cameron is wearing mini-skirts every other week? Does it make her leg movement marginally more efficient?

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 10:40 p.m. CST

    If Pushing Daisies gets cancelled...

    by billypilgrimisunstuck

    ...I will lose my shit. The same way I lost my shit when Arrested got cancelled. Hopefully, ABC has enough foresight to stick with the show despite its ratings. I feel that word of mouth hasnt reached far enough yet. None of my friends have heard of it and we watched it on Bluray and they all loved it.

  • Oct. 3, 2008, 10:58 p.m. CST

    Supernatural is a mind blower.

    by SID 8.0

    Glad it's starting to grow it's audience. It deserves it, the best show you're not watching. Last night's ep was heartbreaking. It shed the light on their family history like who the hunter in the family was. This season has a large black cloud hanging over it. And I can't wait for it to break wide open. Man that deal with Azazel, did not see that coming.

  • Oct. 4, 2008, 1:46 a.m. CST

    Supernatural is THAT good

    by lostbat

    I am a fan since the beginning. And it only gets better and better... My perfect television night this season so far : Supernatural, Fringe, the Mentalist, the Shield and as dessert: SG Atlantis. FLOP 3: Heroes, Smallville and Prison Break and I used to be a big fan of all 3 of them...... Sarah Connor could be great, but the cast is awful

  • Oct. 4, 2008, 2:44 a.m. CST

    thats because Bret Ratner

    by Series7

    Terminator is fucking lame. I've thought about it and thought about it, and even though I know McG is making the new Ter not Rush Hour, the show is just fucking boring. The inclusion of the once famous androgynous worst bond song singer ever is useless. And everyone tries to come off way to serious. Kind of sad when the character who plays a robot is the most expressive character on the show.

  • Oct. 4, 2008, 2:48 a.m. CST

    I don't get the love

    by Series7

    For Pushing Daisies. Sure its ok and easily Tim Burton lite. But its kind of lame. The whole show would be better if Chi McBride was the main star. Lee is a fine star, but he's kind of boring. I loved him in the Fall, and my fiancee is from Chickasha, but he's probably the one star from Oklahoma without a water tower with his name on it.

  • Oct. 4, 2008, 4:17 a.m. CST

    Terminator Season2 has been a mixed bag.

    by Reelheed

    SPOILERS! <p>I have really enjoyed some of the eps so far but the writers really need to up their game and get back the shows consistency and narrative direction. Season 1 had a really nice thread driving it but that seems to have been erased. <p>Its actually really easy to get this show right. <p>1)Stop making JC so fucking pissy. I get it. He doesn't like what the future may hold. So have him get a grip and try to change that future. He should be a character wanting to bomb computer labs and sabotage AI experiments rather than rebelling by going shopping for period costumes? (WTF?) <p>2) Less reactive story lines. You have 2 characters from the future helping 2 characters who want to change the future. This should be simple enough story generating device. <p>3) Garbage girl is a terrible terrible actress so wrap this shit up asap or morph her into another character more often. Also I'm kinda sad to see a T1000 in the show. You'll never recreate T2 and it was just too fucking obviously going to happen. <p>4) No more clean slates. Every episode needs to feel more part of continuity even if the events stand alone. Whats with the mess in the basement already? Is the future Derek remembers different from the future Cameron remembers? There are lots of threads being discarded all over the place and it's ridiculous that the characters just sit about waiting for shit to go wrong so that they can have something to do. <p>Come with me if you gotta eat...

  • Oct. 4, 2008, 4:53 a.m. CST

    Supernatural strikes again

    by Toby___Wong

    What a wonderful episode. I laughed my ass off. And what an intense ending.

  • Oct. 4, 2008, 4:57 a.m. CST

    Thursday is a great night

    by A for Aristocrat

    New episodes of Supernatural and Its always sunny back to back. Even good shows have a hard time with season 4, Im glad these two shows have pulled it off so far.

  • Oct. 4, 2008, 7:01 a.m. CST

    Damn, Supernatural kills everything

    by David Cloverfield

    I was already a fan, but this season destroys everything in it's way. I'm so glad to see it's following grow. How many shows can pull off a time travel episode without fucking it up or make it seem filler? This was the right ep in the right time. Also is it me, or Smalliville is slowly getting watchable again?

  • Oct. 4, 2008, 7:47 a.m. CST

    Started watching Supernatural on dvd...

    by Big Dan

    not only is it the best geek show on tv but it is one of the best shows on tv PERIOD. If you're not watching you're missing out.

  • Oct. 4, 2008, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Oh yeah glad to hear about Criminal Minds too.

    by SID 8.0

    Another great show that's building an audience. Good interaction of the cast and good stories. Thomas Gibson as the agent that never smiles is fantastic.

  • Oct. 4, 2008, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Supernatural

    by flickchick85

    I watched the S4 premiere of SN online, and I wasn't too impressed. Mainly, I think it's the leads. They are way too "pretty boy-ish" for this type of show. And yes, I'm a girl, and yes, I find Dean very hot, but I'm not that shallow. This kind of gritty demon-hunting show seems like it needs more rugged, manly men types. Also, it could use less FX, because some of them look great, but some look like, well, like they're on the CW. <p> THAT SAID, I realize how dumb it is to judge a show that you don't start from the beginning (I initially made that mistake with what are now 2 of my favorite shows of all-time, Veronica Mars and Battlestar Galactica), and what I saw certainly intrigued me, so I'm gonna Netflix S1 before passing further judgement. Because as I've said before, I'm always looking for good TV. Especially now that Chuck and Pushing Daisies might bite it soon.

  • Oct. 4, 2008, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Daisies plummet

    by Napoleon Park

    is that one of the Biblical plagues?

  • Oct. 4, 2008, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Brody's Gaydar

    by Napoleon Park

    Wait, the thought of "putting in more Digby" sets off your gaydar? I admits it's a double entendre and he's a male dog, but still, that's bestiality, not gayness.

  • Oct. 4, 2008, 3:59 p.m. CST

    I really enjoy Term

    by LarryTate

    but I can agree the powerplant episode had an IQ of about 3. Still, I enjoy it and don't want it canceled. Football is tough competition.

  • Oct. 4, 2008, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Napoleon Park

    by LarryTate

    that's bestiality AND gayness

  • Oct. 5, 2008, 1:01 a.m. CST

    hmmm

    by wyvern

    Glad to see himym growing in ratings.NPH is awseome on the show.He is the star of the show at this point.I do like Marshall just cause he seems alot more like me with where I am at in life. Sorry idk how to seperate paragraphs.. Anyways Supernatural just gets better and better every episode.I Had to kick my wife's greys anatomy off our hd dvr for Supernatural this year.

  • Oct. 5, 2008, 11 a.m. CST

    paragraph breaks

    by digitalcos

    enclose a "p" between this "<" and this ">" where you want to make a paragraph break.<p>http://tinyurl.com/4khy3c

  • Oct. 5, 2008, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Well, I didn't really think that through did i?

    by digitalcos

    Yeah, that didn't work out so well. Sure would be nice if we could edit TBs huh? Anyway, check out the link, and ignore what I wrote. I'm not real good at these internets.

  • Oct. 5, 2008, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Terminator stories should not be this boring!

    by Citizen Sane

    Is it any any wonder? It was clear on the web last year that the viewers wanted more action from T:TSCC, and what do they deliver? Three yawn inducing hours of (mostly) uninteresting new characters and a backstory about a robot's origin. At least Summer finally wore a mini-dress. If she had worn high heels with it instead of boots, I may not have drifted into unwanted slumber. These guys better kick the show into overdrive if they want to avoid cancellation. Probably it may already be too late.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 7:50 a.m. CST

    Pushing Daisies needs to be...

    by Drath

    1. Rerun because you miss ONE episode and you're lost. Cable gets this, they don't force people to catch one showing or DIE. 2. Probably needs to be a little more formulaic for the start of a season because the loads of exposition are tedious to viewers who caught previous episodes and probably just disorienting without being THAT helpful to new viewers. 3. Season 1 needs to be shown again, they SHOULD have shown it over the summer, because a lot of people don't have DVR or Tivo and didn't catch how the show ended so they're now lost as season 2 starts. Writer's Strike delays and confusion didn't help all of this, and season 1 ended like 9 months ago. I for example had nearly forgotten the real ending and for a while thought the show had ended when Chuck left Ned's apartment!******************************** If things continue as they are, I predict the show will not survive season 2 because of the increasingly convoluted story. It's already quirky in a way that alienates a lot of people, it shouldn't be overly complicated as well. We're way past the simple premise of Ned waking up dead people to collect on rewards for their murders. I think that premise needs more focus at the start of every season. Look to Buffy the Vampire Slayer to see how to balance arcs and formula. The big arcs usually didn't kick in until the second half of the season, and only hints were dropped in the first half where Buffy mostly slew monsters of the week. Note also that most arcs were resolved every season--that helps a lot.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 7:52 a.m. CST

    OMFG, SUPERNATURAL GOT MENTIONED AGAIN

    by turketron

    GIVE THIS SHOW A WEEKLY TALKBACK PLEASE. It's probably my favorite show airing right now.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Drath, I agree about the reruns

    by jim

    At least show the final episode again the week before the new season premiere. I was going to say the same thing about Heroes but then I remembered they did have that recap before the new season that I didn't watch. So I'd forgotten that Nicky was dying from the Legacy Virus, or whatever they were calling it. I'm trying to remember but cannot recall what happened to Nicky's son's cousin. As far as I remember last we saw her she was in a burning house. Did that ever get resolved.<p>Sure, one could probably find "reruns" on the web. However, the people that the networks are targeting are those that only watch TV on TV. Those that use the web to catch up are more likely to bypass regular scheduled broadcasts with DVRs and torrents.

  • Oct. 6, 2008, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Thursdays!

    by superpan

    When Supernatural first started, I thought it would be Charmed, but with guys. I thought it would be a poor man's Buffy. But I was desperate for nerdy tv after Buffy and Angel were gone, so I gave it a try. Now it's the only show that I just can't miss. I wish Herc would give it a talkback. Also, Smallville hasn't made me want to cringe as much so far this season

  • Dec. 17, 2008, 11:38 a.m. CST

    by CharyouTree

    like <p> this?