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Now We Know When The New 300 Movie Will Take Place...
Merrick here...
A while back we heard that some sort of follow-up to 300 was being readied by Frank Miller, and that Zack Snyder would return to direct it when it was ready.
But...given the ending of the original graphic novel/film...it wasn't clear exactly how this would be accomplished. Would it be a prequel? A sequel? Or, a parallel story (for example, a massive and dazzling naval battle occurred alongside The Battle of Thermopylae - which wasn't incorporated into 300's storyline).
IESB got a chance to speak to Snyder about this yesterday (at a WATCHMEN press event), who had this to say:
Snyder also said it will take place between the Battle of Thermopylae and the Battle of Plataea, the battle that narrator Dilios is at while re-telling the story of King Leonidas and the mighty Spartans to a new group of warriors at the end of 300.
As Dilios says, there's a whole year between Thermopylae and where he currently stands...
...says THIS ARTICLE at IESB.
You can find more about The Battle of Plataea HERE. The Wiki entry says that some estimates suggest Persian forces at Plataea were 300,000 strong. 300,000. A title, maybe?
Snyder also said it will take place between the Battle of Thermopylae and the Battle of Plataea, the battle that narrator Dilios is at while re-telling the story of King Leonidas and the mighty Spartans to a new group of warriors at the end of 300.
As Dilios says, there's a whole year between Thermopylae and where he currently stands...
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Sucks, leave 300 alone.
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i think...
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No, really.
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300 blew balls. this will probably suck too. fuck frank miller. everything he does lately is an extreme disapointment. All-Star Batman, The Spirit. He should pull an Alan Moore and just become a recluse.
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if Frank Miller gives his blessing. If it's being made I'm sure he must be. It took a lot for Rodriguez to get him to allow Sin City to be made.
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Oct 02, 2008 8:37:11 AM CDT
AWESOME!!! YOU KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS!?!?!?
by i_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looking_for
We're going to get a sequel to Meet the Spartans!
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300 was great. Just leave it be.
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more about those animals in that tent. What fucking genius figured out how to teach animals to play musical intstruments? Sure, I'm positive he's going to hell for messing with the natural order of things, but he deserves a lifetime of unclean pagan pussy before it. And, will the Spartans still be wearing diapers? I say, for a sequel, we move 'em up to trainers. Let those little guys feel a little shame when they make a mistake.
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Lick my taint
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Y'know, usually I don't hate movies. While there are movies that I don't like, it takes a lot for a movie to really make me hate it with a passion. Well, 300 managed to do this on first viewing. I even began to hate Pulp Fiction not until I tried to watch it for the third time.
I just couldn't stand the dull dialogue and the endless fights that got slowed down every 3 seconds. The clueless directing and the bad actors. I know, it got lots of Fanboylove because "it looks like the comic", but this isn't the first time in the last few years that I questioned the sanity of fanboys. (I don't know what happened, but I think many of them get dumber every single year.)
I won't say it's "Gay Porn", because it isn't (and you must be one big fat homphobic jerk to think that!). I won't say it's fashist, because while it has fashist tendencies, it's about Spartans and from what I've heard they weren't the most liberal people in history. But damn, this is one fucking bad movie. Not the worst movie ever (It would be unfair to say that 300 is worse than, let's say a typical SciFi Channel Original Movie or Carnosaurus 3), but one dumb piece of shit (with very good special F/X). -
Great movie, no need for a sequel.
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Another homoerotic fantasy.
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Make it so.
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This could work if they do the Battle of Salamis (as Merrick alluded to). Plataea isn't as big of a deal as Salamis is.
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and not some Frank Miller version where the Persians had mutants and monsters in their army.
"Xerxes was curious as to what the Greeks were trying to do (because there were so few numbers) and had some Arcadian deserters interrogated in his presence. The answer was that all the other men were participating in the Olympic Games.
When Xerxes asked what was the prize for the winner, the answer was "an olive-wreath". Upon hearing this, Tigranes, a Persian general, said: "Ye Gods, Mardonius, what men have you brought us to fight against? Men that fight not for gold, but for glory." -
It's hugely expensive to do naval battle scenes, and in the minds of people like myself, they kind of suck. (cf. Master and Commander)
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Battle of Plataea could be done well.
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Yeah! :-p
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...fourteen year old the giant ice cream sunday with mindless revenge nuggets and arterial blood sauce with a bitter spleen on top. As a relatively well adjusted adult I have been neglecting that sweaty little guy for a long time now. Anyway, 300 was enjoyable, but failed to really get that asshole fourteen year old's blood boiling...must have been something wrong with the pacing...
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Send the Spartans to Klendathu so they can take on the arachnids!
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is Cool.
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Nailed it. Nuff said.
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I'm guessing their biggest target audience is gay men.
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Master and Commander was a brilliant film. We need more like it. Action films with character and depth. Not rubbish special effects showcases.
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If youre going to say it sucked explain why. I hate when people bash the fact that it had mutants and monsters and shit. It was fantasy! It didnt have to really have happened. Hell, Titanic had that mutant Billy Zane in it, and Leo in his little bitch days.
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As long as there's an audience for unalloyed male nakedness, freaky looking sex, goats on strings and ultra-fetishistic violence then this movie will be made...it's just a shame there isn't an audience for more original ideas.
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Chill the fuck out dude. I didn't say the movie sucked. I said that people like myself, thought it kind of sucked.
If you can't stand the idea that on a movie site, someone on the internet, might not share your opinion, then can I kindly ask you to grow the fuck up.
You thought the movie was a modern masterpiece. Bravo, I'm fucking thrilled for you. Not every one did, which is why it did less than 100 mill US domestic, after costing 150 mill.
Is box office a sign of good taste? No. But it tells you that some people didn't enjoy the movie. Shockingly, this may have come as a revelation to you, five years after the fact. Live and learn. -
Or maybe just tiresome. I'm not hating on Snyder, I actually think the guy has enormous talent but there's only so much stylized green-screen and CGI blood I can take in that movie.
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fuck history, just show frank miller style all day!
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Oct 02, 2008 10:00:41 AM CDT
The only thing that the box office will tell you...
by i_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looking_for
is that morons know how to get from home to the cinema.
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maybe.
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...that took place in parallel with Thermopylae, it was Artemisium. That was an inconclusive naval battle, whereas Salamis - which was a bombastic Greek success - occurred later that year (480BC). I could go on, but I'll stop being a pedant now. That's the curse of being a massive film fan and history student...
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I hate that whole Frank Miller "style", as a matter of fact.
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This would be a far greater Thermopylae movie. I heard Michael Bay was going to make it once upon time, but it just vanished. I think a movie should be made of Last of the Amazons, another book by the guy that wrote Gates of Fire. That would make a fantastic movie.
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... I hope this project dies. Please, Zeus!
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Not Michael Bay, Michael MANN!! Shit, how the hell did I manage that one? It's that Damn You Michael Bay shit - you say 'Michael', you hear 'Bay'!!
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Except that it used too much slo-mo. I didn't mind the story, the acting, the cgi...all of that was fine. But really, there was too much slo-mo.
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I mean, what's his face talks about "Athenian boy lovers" at the beginning of the movie but damn if the rest of the movie wasn't just as gay as that. I am not criticizing it for being gay, I am just saying the Spartans clearly have some issues they need to work out. They need to just become full blown homosexuals and get it over with already. Hey, maybe that's what the sequel should be about!
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I think Salamis could be really cool. Because the boats are lower, there'd be more ship-to-ship fighting. And some hard rowing!
Cat_Corporation: You're right that Salamis did not take place right around Thermopylae, but it did happen before Plataea, so it could be in 301. -
I personally loved both SIN CITY and 300 - really beautiful looking films with bags of style and brilliant action sequences. What's not to love? Anyway, rather than the battle of Platea what about Snyder turning his attention even more to fantasy and doing a stylised version of THE ODYSSEY, or dare I suggest it (because remake has become a dirty word)what about JASON & THE ARGONAUTS?
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criterion version of happy feet? cause that movie actually rules (i know, i know, i was shocked too) Master and Commander looked boring as hell (don't personally care for naval shit and that time period) but I've heard it's great
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I find myself laughing. A lot. It's the dialogue. I have never seen a more shallowly written movie, at least not one that wasn't pornographic. So much of the narration and story is devoted to telling us just how badass the Spartans are; everything's about how they were born to fight, it's all they apparently do or know. It's a damn good thing it is an overly stylized fantasy, 'cause if you met any of the 300 douchebags in real life, you'd chew off your arm to get away from them at a party. All they'd talk about all night is how they were born to fight, they're the greatest warriors ever, how many people they've killed, yada, yada, yada. I guess that's the main critique of the movie, it's a non-stop, shallow, ultimately completely meaningless barrage of slow motion action sequences and ridiculously machismo dialogue. The "war/gay/homophobe porn" designation is correct at least in that 300 truly is about as close to porn as any major Hollywood movie ever made in terms of writing.
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and badass, if you can't see that you're probably a huge pussy (I know, I know you, but you are so well versed in the cinema and what makes a great film and blah blah blah shut the fuck up) I'm into that shit too but I can also enjoy 300 for what it was, and it did what it did well. (and there was nothing gay about it and if you really think that you should probably look inward cause just by admitting that you think that means you are probably a latent homo...just sayin' :) Not that there's anything wrong with that!
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See what I did there? The 3 looks like a B!
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...the weaknesses of the movie are more evident when you watch it at home on TV. In fact, I think more aspiring filmmakers should study great movies (and not so great movies) on the least flashy TV possible, something like a ten year old 27 inch crt television. It reduces the crutch of visual impact of a movie and you can more easily study the story,editing, pacing and characterization.
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Oh and they should definitely make Gates Of Fire - Michael Mann was attached once to direct - one can dream.
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Count me out.
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Oct 02, 2008 10:45:36 AM CDT
you gotta be a real cunt to be interested in this...
by dannyglovers_dickblood
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According to boxofficemojo 300:Domestic Total Gross: $210,614,939
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How about a bunch of leather clad maniacs driving apocolyptic looking Dodge 300s against the Persian army. You know you want it to happen
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Should've stopped while you were ahead.
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I love this movie. I have seen it 300 times!
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... All of Steven Pressfield's books should be made into motion pictures. They are so cinematic and epic in scope: Last of the Amazons, Gates of Fire, The Virtues of War, etc. All amazing.
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seriously, this feels unneeded, especially with how the first one ended. id love to revisit that world, but it will just feel incredibly forced. the beauty of 300 was it was an event that was remembered for all time... you cant better it, you cant leave a bigger imprint on history using the same characters. especially if its set between the voice over and the events.... surely he spent the year telling the story, gathering the army to fight at Plataea....
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something like this...300, they came up with the title when asked how gay is the movie on a scale from one to ten...MUST Hollywood take something that was successful and pummel it to dirt. 300 has been parodied so many times that a sequel would be a parody upon itself.
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He was great in the first one!
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I, for one, can't wait for this. I love Snyder's style and command of visual storytelling. Fatties need to shut up.
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Oct 02, 2008 11:00:31 AM CDT
Also, lets never bring up M & C in the negative again, mkay?
by dr sauch
Cause it rocked.
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Let's move on already. How different could this movie be? We all know how it ends. M & C sucked giant balls by the way, in my opinion.
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Oct 02, 2008 11:10:11 AM CDT
300's sex scene had Lena Headey, nothing gay about that.
by stereotypical evil archer
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was really good. I was surprised, actually not being a big Russell Crowe fan, myself.
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in regards to history and fact. From Homer to Shakespeare and then on, all have picked and chosen what to use and what not to use. That's how you produce good stories. Why should this director be held to a higher standard?
300 is a work of art about ideas. Ancient Greece is the birthplace of the West. Persia, however great, is not. -
Looks like someone beat me to the fact checking. Cost ~65Mil, Take ~$210Mil domestic, ~$465 Mil worldwide. Not bad. And a lot of hype at the time, so it was NOT just fanboys. 300 may not have been everyone's cup of tea, but overall it WAS well received and, although added it's stylized monsters and such, follows recorded history (for however much you can trust accounts) closer than people give it credit for. Most 'quotable' lines from that film were taken from Herodotus, for whatever that is worth.
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...and no, it's not that they are secretly gay and just can't face it...that's boring and obvious. My theory is that guys how hate (and I mean HATE) 300 are still too close to adolescence and still despise or are embarrassed by their fourteen year old selves. Once you get over that shit you can look back on your teenage self with affection...maybe even through that knucklehead a bone every once and a while (no pun intended) and sit down and watch something like 300.
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..."who". Sigh.
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If they can get Brian Blessed and Gerard Butler in a flashback scene together, I'm there.
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how many people hated "300" but thought "Speed Racer" was the new "Blade Runner?"Heh.
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Flintstones Vitamins: THE MOVIE!
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Directed by Leonard Nimoy. Guttenberg is the wise cracking sidekick. Tom Selleck's mustache is the evil general. Ted Danson plays himself having traveled back in time.
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I don't see this happening.
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but it is one of those movies that you have to be in the mood for or know before hand what kind of movie you are going to watch...like Glory or Cold Mountain.
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get owned
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actually fell asleep in the theater watching 300. It was kind of a snooze fest really.
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I really don't know how anyone watched 300 and didn't see it as total crappy camp. If they did, I don't know how they keep a straight face with all these "it was AWESOME" fanboys. Sorry be all smug about it, but this was just not my movie at all and the love for it is annoying.
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As a filmed translation of Miller's 300 comic I absolutely LOVED the movie but I can see how people with no previous knowledge were put off - same with Sin City. It was thrilling as a reader to see stuff translated so faithfully and forcefully and much of what was exciting about those movies to me was seeing Miller's splashes and compositions on the big screen. I'm not saying that they can't use the style to create something new but it seems like an odd play that discounts some of what made 300 effective in the first place.
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Geez, lighten up "300 is NOT gay!!" crowd. The jokey cliche of sword and sandal epics having homosexual subtext is decades old.
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Oct 02, 2008 12:56:57 PM CDT
They should retell the events from 300 from the Persian perspect
by l. ron bumquist
as they would have embellished it.
That would counter the overtly ultra right wing fascist overtones of the original. Whilst putting the over-the-top stylization into perspective. -
I would say that 300 is actually a metaphor for homophobia, with Xerxes the Man-Queen threatening the manhood of our protagonist Spartan horde...
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Can it be more gay than '300?'
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...maybe a bio of Cyrus the Great, the founder of the Persian Empire. Of course with the Iranians being America's current number 1 "bad guys" (looks like the Russkies are trying to reclaim that mantel, tho) and with the portrayal of the Persians as basically mutated monsters riding around on rhinoceroses in 300, that ain't gonna happen. Maybe the Prince of Persia movie will break the ice a little, tho.
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note to Mr Lee: there wont be any black soldiers at Plataea.
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How about a film of the 10,000 instead?
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I have zero hope and zero interest in this, even with Frank Miller's involvement.
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Zack Snyder should do KING CONAN. Arnie will be out of office soon, and even in his 60s he'll be badass.
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This battle marked the turning point in the war against the Persians, an is even considered by some (e.g. historian Donald Kagan) the most important battle in (Western) history (to understand why read: http://www.jstor.org/pss/191266), though I think that this is only the case because of the contrast provided by events during the Peloponnesian War, particularly the fall of Athens. I think the time is ripe for a depiction of these events, and not just a focus on the heroism of the Greeks against the Persians. In fact, and to be more specific, I can't think of a more insteresting and timely subject for a movie than Alcibiades, who was not only a product of Athenian confidence in the wake of its victory against the Persians, but also represents and helps shed light on the other side of Athenian hubris and its desire for beauty, wealth and glory. Very topical, and should help minimize the effects that 300's aesthetic fetishism may have provoked.
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I'm waiting for the total BS press release statement that there was once an offhanded remark from Alan Moore about Watchmen being a trilogy and that Bret Ratner is just realizing Moore's original three film vision.
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It was so bad that Meet The Spartans was better....and I hate that type of film!!
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Starring Tugg Speedman.
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Um maybe you just shouldn't be watching movies that don't take place in the 21st century dude.
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I'd watch!
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There are so many films that deserve sequels before 300. 300 might just be the crappiest film I have had the displeasure of watching even if I fell asleep 10 minutes in.
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It's like Animal House, but a little gay.
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Screaming every line does not qualify as good acting, nor does leaning on the crutch of slow motion for every action sequence qualify as capable direction. I could care less about historical accuracy or alleged homoeroticism; 300 was merely an amateurish movie made for immature minds.
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Snyder's as hacky as Miller so they're perfect for each other.300 is just a collection of jock douchebags screaming for no damn reason.
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Oct 02, 2008 3:51:53 PM CDT
Kurzinski Valentine was fucking NAKED when he was born
by i_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looking_for
Kurzinski = FLAMING HOMO GAY
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Real, prosthetic or computer generated?
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this movie will be a piece of shit. And also fuck off Master and Commander haters.
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fuck off. it was great.
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A whole movie of a battlefield full of corpses. Awesome.
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It is a tribute.
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It will only be released in San Fran.
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that this will suck.
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..can we please just have an adaptation of Steven Pressfield's epic historical military adventure novel" Gates of Fire"? No bullshit gay porn Twinks in flowing red cloaks with impossibly rock hard abs. No anachronistic ninjas and samurai. No 12 foot tall Trannys. No ogres from Middle Earth with guillotine blades for arms.....the real story is much richer than the film 300. Its more than snarling sycophants raving on about "liberty and freedom" and waves of corpses falling like toy soldiers...read Gates of Fire and see what we're all missing out on in terms of a proper 300 film.
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Half the fun of that movie was Bulter yelling everything. "THIS! IS! SPARTA!" and "TONIGHT! WE DINE! IN HELL!" Meet the Spartans was one of the worst movies of the year, but at least it got that part right.
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The Spartans get a mutant virus and become flesh-eating zombies.
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just to stfu those silly scopians,before make a stupid comment about Macedonia here.
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He's alriiight in my book.
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Interesting cinematography, lame matrix-like slo-mo fx, ridiculous capes/undies. I barely got through it.
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Word.
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Train wreck of a movie.
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300 was just thinly veiled war propaganda.
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Mistake.
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He was pretty much the lifeblood of 300, and the only character you really cared much about. I'm interested in this one, but not sure how it's going to work out.
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Ok, so Im Batman-on-film and I start reading Batman 3 stuff cuz thats how i roll, but I start seeing this crap
"I was told by someone who is, well, __LongTerm__ the __LongTerm__ that there just might be something to all these rumors. According to him, __LongTerm__ been mention of something going down around February of 2009 in Chicago."
Any body who knows whatthefuck __LongTerm__ I swear to __LongTerm__ t-bag, than to ride __LongTerm__ in a champange glass, and fill it all the way to __LongTerm__ on your momma. Word. -
People actually have a problem with the slo-mo in 300? Since when is being able to see exactly what happens to each character during a huge battle scene an issue?
If you don't like the movie, fine. I have to question your manhood, but still fine. But ragging on the slo-mo? Please. -
as in Zombies. Zack needs to do a sequel to HIS dawn of the dead, stat. Word!
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and that's what made it awesome. I think there's enough place in cinemas for Sci-fi, fantasy, western, romcom and screaming fans alike. Bring on screaming 2.
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The problem is not the Slomo, it's the use of it. Something like 75% of the movie is fighting, but you can't enjoy any fight of it because it got slowed down every few frames. A spartan jumps: Slow motion. He lands on his left foot: slow motion. Puts his right foot on the ground: Slow motion. Stabs an enemy: Slow motion. Turns to the right: Slow motion. Stabs another enemy: Slow motion. He screams: Slow motion. Jumps again: Slow motion. Swings his sword: Slow motion. And this the whole fucking movie!
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If they played 300 at normal speed it would've lasted about 53 minutes. Hence the slo-mo.
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After reading through several talkbacks and such I thought I’d through in my 0.02. 300 was a fun time at the movies. I loved the adaptation of Miller’s story. After reading that Wiki you can’t say there isn’t enough to hang a motion picture on. Also, “Master and Commander” was an amazing piece of filmmaking, and as much as I wanted to like it, “Beowulf” was pretty awful and yes, Zack Snyder would make a jaw dropping Conan movie. Jaw dropping. And one more thing, I’ve grown tired of being an Alan Moore apologist – Snyder’s “Watchmen” will rock. Bottom line.
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Have people finally stopped defending that film? Whenever I talk to people about 300 most hate it and those who don't are embarrassed by the fact they like it. At best the film has become a guilty pleasure.
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Parodied brilliantly on South Park.
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Yeah, that's it.
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commentary playing, so I can't take it seriously.
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Master and Commander is the shit. A 300 sequel would be very cool (as long as they do away with David Wenham's nasally narration) and I_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looki ng_for and Kurzinski Valentine you're crackin' me up.
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