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Biden!!
Palin!!
Thursday!!

Published at: Oct. 2, 2008, 9:45 p.m. CST by hercules

I am – Hercules!!
We’ve seen senators Obama, McCain and Biden in something like 417 debates over the last two years, but now it’s time for the governor of Alaska to weigh in on the issues. Gwen Ifill, moderator of tonight's Joe Biden-Sarah Palin debate, is in such a tizzy she broke her ankle on Monday carrying research materials for the event! Here’s a question Ifill may not pose. A teacher in Wasilla claims Sarah Palin once told her that dinosaurs roamed the earth alongside Adam and Eve less than 6,000 years ago; if the teacher's tale is true, don’t we all feel a little less concerned about Mitt Romney’s use of magic underwear? 9 p.m. ET / 6 p.m. PT. Thursday. Every Channel Except The CW.


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  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:45 a.m. CST

    should be a bloodbath

    by Spaz Medicine

    MMA got nothin' on this.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:46 a.m. CST

    Who are these people of which you speak?

    by Xiphos_2

    Never heard of 'em.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:49 a.m. CST

    Speakin of ifill not posing questions

    by EyeofPolyphemus

    It seems she did not ask anyone if it was Okey dokey to moderate the debate when she is writing a book called AGE OF OBAMa which will earn $ 500,000 more if obama wins the election. <P> You have to love our corrupt, in the tank media.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:51 a.m. CST

    A dinosaur roams the Earth now.

    by F-18

    His name is John McCain.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:13 a.m. CST

    CW is running the debate....

    by Nuking the Fridge

    depending on the affiliates, I suppose. It is in my area at least. And yes, I want to see Sarah Palin get owned. It is going to be brutal.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:15 a.m. CST

    EyeofPolyphemus - purple kool-aid on Friday

    by doctordefiance

    Gwen Ifill's book deal was announced in July, several weeks before she was approved BY BOTH CAMPAIGNS to be the moderator of tomorrow's debate. Sorry it couldn't be, oh, say Bill O'Reily or someone else from Fox News. Let's face it, Republicans are petrified and grasping at any straw possible to try to make excuses for Palin's performance - AND SHE HASN'T EVEN done it yet. The line for purple kool-aid forms for you on Friday morning when the first post-debate polls come in.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:28 a.m. CST

    Bring the popcorn and Twizzlers, this should be good!

    by bb6634

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:29 a.m. CST

    What Would Jesus Do?

    by stanton29

    Would he ride a Triceratops or a Braichasaurs to church? He was into non-violence, so no T-Rex. Definitely a plant-eating dinosaur for Him.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:30 a.m. CST

    EyeofPolyphemus doesn't know who Gwen Ifill is

    by s00p3rm4n

    Everyone mock the man who's probably never seen a second of public television in his life, much less taken the time to actually research the moderators of Presidential debates himself, much less researched the context behind the silly crafted narratives that so many people in partisan demagoguery outfits spew. Enjoy your Michelle Malkin-fed eternal anger, friend-o. We in the thinking majority of the country (Republican and Democratic) will move on to better things, like the issues actually facing us in the world and the choices at stake in this election. Enjoy being a Betamax douchebag in a Blu-Ray world. haha Nuking the Fridge... if CW is running it, will they cut in dramatic contemporary pop music and replace the candidates with hot brooding teenagers? And will Gwen Ifill be replaced with Jackee?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:32 a.m. CST

    EyeofPolyphemus...fuck you and your wingnut talking points

    by bacci40

    the mccain campaign knew who was moderating the debate when they made the agreement with the obama campaign...and they knew that ifill was writing the book at the time...the fact remains that palin doesnt know shit about national issues...and while herc was good enuf to post the 20 year old clip of biden acting the fool, he neglected to post one clip of palin and her "blizzard of words" answers to relatively simple questions...mccain thinks that the run for prez is a big fucking joke...and he is right...his run is a big fucking joke...and palin is the big fucking punchline...and she better pray to her false god that she wins...cuz when she returns to alaska, she is in for a big surprise....i would suggest that she google "impeachment"...hope she enjoys womens prison and that todd is as good a house hubby as he says he is...cuz that is where that bitch is headed....guaranteed

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:36 a.m. CST

    krack...another wingnut liar joins the talkback

    by bacci40

    dumbass piece of shit...biden said he was "forced down" in afghanistan...never said he was shot down...he was forced down by inclimate weather....get your fucking facts straight...oh ya, and he thought that roosevelt spoke to the nation on tv and forgot that roosevelt wasnt prez in 29...wilson the ahole who caused the depression was....and how did wilson cause the depression...but pulling the same shit that bush has with this fucking bailout....look it up...use the google....stop listenting to rush...he has rotted your already tiny little mind....I HATE WINGNUTS...I REALLY DO...NOT ONE HAS ONE REDEEMING QUALITY...AND WHEN I AM KING...OFF TO GITMO THEY AND ALL THEIR TOOTHLESS, INBRED, CHILD MOLESTING COUSINS GO

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:41 a.m. CST

    Got to love...

    by SithScorp

    How political discussions bring out the oh-so-best qualities of people. If you are unable to make a statement without slinging insults, it demonstrates a lack of objectivity and rationale discourse. Making unflattering comments about the other side does not prove your point.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:48 a.m. CST

    Thanks for the magic underwear crack

    by krushjudgement

    There are mormons (like me) that visit this site you ass. (I still love you though.)

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:49 a.m. CST

    My, my, my

    by EyeofPolyphemus

    Enlightened, intelligent liberal discussion here, no? Heh. You people do the political left so proud. <P> Anyway, Palin is aggressive, competitive, and can zing with the bst of them. she will do fine in the debate. Her detractors on the left and right have done nothing but prove their affection for the middle class (wo)man cannot survive actually meeting one. <P> You all stay classy, now.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:50 a.m. CST

    Iron man Vs. the Shining. Well done Herc.

    by heavenlykid

    Though the sad thing is, all Sarah Palin has to do is 'okay' and she'll come out with a 'moral victory'. Judas Priest am I glad I'm Canadian.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:52 a.m. CST

    holy shit

    by David Cloverfield

    That last video is The Office levels of uncomfortable.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:54 a.m. CST

    Biden is the definition of arrogance

    by Angry Mike

    I hope this comes out tonight.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:59 a.m. CST

    Wow

    by Chaka!

    Palin is an absolute insult. Seriously, she is unable to answer any question without falling back to catch phrases and buzz words. She has no understanding of our constitution, supreme court rulings, or even environmental issues. This is a person we want in public office? Can someone just make one LEGIT reason why she'll be qualified? All we have so far is that she can "Zing" with the "bst of them". It's not about being "classy", it's about taking a good hard look at the people we want running our country.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:04 a.m. CST

    compared to palin, biden is fucking gandalf

    by drturing

    if you support this woman after her appearances this week, you're a fucking moron. she's a liar who's way in over her head. she may not be a bad person, but she's bascially bush with a bush.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:06 a.m. CST

    Sarah Palin: Bush with a bush

    by drturing

    sheeit, that's my new line

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:10 a.m. CST

    Derivatives and Liquidity reform proposals from Palin

    by G100

    "That surely dooes sound like a mighty big mess that needs a fixin guys and gals."<p> <p>And America breathes easier knowing Palin is a heartbeat away from being in charge of this Cataclysmic Economic Clusterfuck.<p> <p>BTW she's had at least 22 debates already but they are purely Alaskan Local Politics. So Yes, she knows how to give the non-answers and soundbites fed to her by her handlers but will that be enough with 2 intractable Wars and a disintegrating Economy to deal with ?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:25 a.m. CST

    Palin isnt as polished as Biden.

    by Sakurai

    She hasn't learned how to side step a question like a pro. That will come in time.

  • So why the surprise that the far right bloggers McCain staffers and Fox News types are trying to smear Ifill before the debate begins ?<p> <p>Before the night is over if she tries to get a straight reply out of Palin or one that requires more than a Yes No answer the McCain Campaign and their "little helpers" will be screaming that she is a "SEXIST! Douchebag!" while they are screaming that Biden and the rest of the "Gotacha" Media are the same for picking on a poor defenseless Pitbull.<p> <p>We all know this to be true.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:33 a.m. CST

    Interview Palin

    by drbad

    http://interviewpalin.com/

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:36 a.m. CST

    Herc, you forgot this short clip:

    by BadMrWonka

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8__aXxXPVc <p> just about sums it up perfectly...

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:43 a.m. CST

    If we're playing that game of false equivalency ...

    by Shan

    ... where 1 mis-step of the Democrats = 1 mis-step of the Republicans regardless of what we're comparing ... <p> For your viewing pleasure, "The Many Lies of John McCain". <p> http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain <p> To pre-empt the accusations that The Rolling Stone Magazine is far leftist - is it? Is it really? I hadn't noticed.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:44 a.m. CST

    Ifill is not being smeared

    by EyeofPolyphemus

    Conservatives are asking a legitimate question about her impartiality. You may recall earlier in the year Democrats refused to participate in a debate run by FOX news even though there were not going to be any Republicans on stage. It seems pretty fair for the republicans to have the same concern. At least Palin is not afraid of the prospect like the democrats were, not that she will getany credit for it. <P> I am absolutely certain if Brit Hume were moderating this debate at the same time he was writing a book on McCain, leftists would be more up in arms than any conservative has been about Ifill. they would demand he be removed, and if that did not work, demand Biden boycott. Liberals would applaud him for doing so, as well. They do have a history of turning tail and running from conservatives, you know.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:47 a.m. CST

    Cafferty is fuckin' pissed in that clip

    by caruso_stalker217

    And a little offended, I think.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:48 a.m. CST

    the lefties have a prob here

    by chipps

    the bar is so low with this clown has been so bad so far that not fucking up will be a victory. they are not looking for a real win. they are looking for a not fuck up. I think they'll get it. I think, given the rules of the debate she'll be passable. then watch the right wingers here bang on. all your left wing predictions will have come to nought. it is about expectations. the left has high expectations for biden and low expectations for palin. under these circumstances what in reality is a win for biden can quickly be interpreted as a win for palin.

  • read on ... <p> http://www.progresspolitics.com/2008/10/01/should-tom-brokaw-moderate-the-next-presidential-debate-or-is-he-a-mccain-mouthpiece-who-will-attempt-to-sabotage-obama/ <p> The question that is being asked by a few bloggers is whether Tom Brokaw of Meet the Press will be objective when it comes to his moderating duties in the second presidential debate on October 7th. The second debate will be a townhall meeting format but apparently the moderator will have some power to determine the direction of the meeting. Many are suggesting that Mr. Brokaw may attempt to sabotage Sen. Obama after viewing Meet the Press last Sunday. Further, Media Matters points out Brokaw’s blatant bias for Sen. McCain. The New York Times says that Brokaw is some sort of special “liason” for the McCain campaign. You be the judge. The following was sent out by MoveOn.org: <p> Sunday on Meet The Press, Tom Brokaw moderated a debate between McCain strategist Steve Schmidt and Obama strategist David Axelrod on topics ranging from Iraq to the Wall Street bailout. At the end, Tom Brokaw did something strange. He opted to give himself the last word and told the audience: In fairness to everybody here, I’m just going to end on one note. And that is that we continue to poll on who’s best equipped to be Commander in Chief, and John McCain continues to lead in that category despite the criticism from Barack Obama by a factor of 53 to 42 percent in our latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll. Gentlemen, thank you very much.1 <p> We checked, and the latest NBC poll actually has no question about Commander in Chief.2 We contacted NBC about this, and it turns out Brokaw was referring to a poll taken weeks ago–right after the Republican convention and well before Friday’s big national security debate.3 And in each of NBC’s last two polls, Americans chose Obama over McCain.4

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:54 a.m. CST

    EyeofPolyphemus

    by Balcony Fool

    Gee, did someone watch O'Reilly tonight?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:11 a.m. CST

    Balcony Fool

    by redshirt

    Yeah,I saw O'Rielly tonight. Dick Morris was on. He said that Bill Clinton had no foreign policy experience when he ran for president. Maybe you should have watched it too. Unless you are a pinhead.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:13 a.m. CST

    Hoping McCain and Palin get elected

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Will mean that your country is completely f@#ked, but as a foreigner and a fan of Bill Maher and Stephen Colbert, their shows will have so much material, they will be in top form. <p> On a more serious note as a foreigner it baffles me how there is even a contest. The chance of Palin becoming president alone makes it a no contest.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:17 a.m. CST

    PRESIDENT PALIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by alice 13

    COMEDY GOLD.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:18 a.m. CST

    Ifill

    by redshirt

    She admits she didn't tell the debate commission about her book. That was unprofessional and appears to be a conflict of interest. A professional would recuse herself. McCain, being the classy guy he is, said he has no problem and he expects her to be fair. If she isn't, she has seriously damaged her career.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:21 a.m. CST

    Palin wants to Phone a Friend

    by Eh-Nam

    This chick is a Moron...

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:26 a.m. CST

    Slow Joe Biden

    by MarkWhittington

    Let's not forget, Joe Biden remembers how FDR went on TV to calm the nation after the 1929 stock market crash.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:28 a.m. CST

    loserguy3000

    by caruso_stalker217

    You know you don't have to read this shit, right? I mean this IS America, last time I checked.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:30 a.m. CST

    bacci40

    by redshirt

    You, sir, are flat out wrong with your attack on Krack. Here is a quote from Biden from the youtube presidential debate. "Number one, you take all the troops out - you better have helicopters ready to take those 3,000 civilians inside the Green Zone, where I have been seven times and shot at. You better make sure you have protection for them, or let them die." BIDENS WORDS! YOU are a dumbass piece of shit. Now tell Krack you were wrong and he was right.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:32 a.m. CST

    "dinosaurs roamed the earth alongside Adam and Eve"

    by newc0253

    "No way. T Rex in the Garden of Eden? Adam and Eve would be runnin' all the time, scared shitless. But the Bible says it was paradise."

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:37 a.m. CST

    ColWTH

    by caruso_stalker217

    "Biden is one of the most stupid, stupid men I've ever seen make it as far as he has." <p>Bush is the other one, right?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:39 a.m. CST

    Bidens lie

    by redshirt

    Here is the quote "If you want to know where al-Qaida lives, you want to know where (Osama) bin Laden is, come back to Afghanistan with me. Come back to the area where my helicopter was forced down with a three-star general and three senators at 10,500 feet in the middle of those mountains. I can tell you where they are." That, my friends, is called a lie of omission. He is clearly implying his helo was forced down by terrorists for dramatic purposes. He admitted later that it was due to the weather. Would you accept it if VP Biden to spoke to the nation with the same level of honesty? or do you forgive his falsehoods because you like his political bent?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:42 a.m. CST

    OK a defense of Biden

    by redshirt

    He said he has been brushing up on his debating skills by watching old camera obscura of the Lincoln-Douglas debates, so I expect big things from him...

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:44 a.m. CST

    "watching old camera obscura of the Lincoln-Douglas debates"

    by caruso_stalker217

    Ha-ha!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:46 a.m. CST

    President Palin

    by fastcars

    would be a hilarious TV show, and a terrifying reality. I can't believe people actually support this person.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:51 a.m. CST

    Chaka: 1 qualification

    by redshirt

    As a governor she has a 80% approval rating, and her state runs a budget surplus. What has Obama got? He a member of the senate that has a 10% approval rating, and he is from a state in huge trouble. Who did he help? Himself.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 4:15 a.m. CST

    Brokaw

    by EyeofPolyphemus

    Tom Brokaw was--unwisely, I think--trying to balance out the reputation NBC and MSNBC are getting for being in the tank for Obama. Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews are not going to be allowed anchor duties on election night because of their open bias towards Obama at times when they should have shown objectivity. <P> I did not see the point of it since MSNBC is like FOX--the entire network has an open bias towards a political party and its audience expects to hear when they watch.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 4:27 a.m. CST

    Palin is a dumbass plain and simple.

    by Stalkeye

    uh-the-um-America-um-United States-we-will-defend-um-eh-America-When I get an answer I'll get back to ya.<p>oh yeah, it's gonna be fun tonight.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:11 a.m. CST

    Gwen Ifil = Bob Schieffer

    by darth pants

    Did anyone squak back in 2004 when Bob Schieffer moderated one of the Kerry/Bush debates? You know, Bob Schieffer, the guy who is family friends with the Bush clan, and whose brother Tom was even business partners with W...

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:11 a.m. CST

    I'm sitting this one out.

    by Negative Man

    <p>We've turned politics into such a joke in this country. For Godsake, AICN, ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT, and their ilk cover politics now. Each one giving their opinions with a wink and a nudge or in overt ways. All I ever wanted out of these types of outlets is what they were originally designed for, entertainment news! But I guess there is no getting away from this election. I’m tired of being told what to think, how to think, and getting insulted if I dare think differently.</p><p>So screw it. I'm not voting. I don't want to be called a neo-con, racist, liberal, or socialist (all oft-misused and overly used terms) because I voted one way or another. I'd rather be that jerk that didn't vote. The guy that you say shouldn't bitch because I didn't make a choice. Fine. I'll be that guy. I'm okay with it. And guess what? I think that’s how a great deal of Americans are feeling. Just look at the low ratings for the first debate.</p><p> Nearly every F’ing place I go, the questions always come up. “Who’re ya voting for?” “Did you listen to the debates?” “Don’t you hate that McCain?” “How can anyone trust Obama?” “Isn’t that Palin stupid?” “Did you hear what that idiot Biden said?” In supermarket lines, in bars, comic shops, movie lines, or wherever. Man, am I tired of it. Seeing friends insulting each other over their choices. Couples breaking up and people stop dating because they differ on the candidates. Watching people point out a sign on a lawn and making contemptuous insults about the homeowners. The campaigns have gone on for so long that people have lost reason and stopped questioning their own points of view. People seem different this election. Everyone seems brainwashed. If you dare question their candidates manifesto, you are part of the problem. You’re not a fellow American with a differing point of view; you’re a first-class A-hole and should die of cancerous AIDS.</p><p>I really just don’t care anymore. No voting for me. I’m exercising my basic rights. Leave me out of your focused-grouped, marketed and televised revolutions.</p>

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:31 a.m. CST

    A baby seal clubbing, this is gonna be...

    by Pennsy

    And how about Katie Couric stepping up to the plate and basically shredding Palin on the installment plan?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:35 a.m. CST

    Well I'm gripped by the whole thing

    by bellwether

    It's comedic gold. If only there could be a dinosaur question. And my house is next to a road, making my an expert on transport policy.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:36 a.m. CST

    Biden's plagiarism

    by Lost Jarv

    the worst thing about this, and it's all pretty bad really, is who he plagiarised: <P>That massive failure and laughing stock Neil Kinnock. <P>Twat, although, to be fair, he's marginally less insulting than Palin.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:44 a.m. CST

    I hope this debate....

    by Varakor

    is worth masturbating to. Seriously the Mccain/ Obama debate while good, left me limp... not in a good way. I had to finish by watching porn. PORN DAMN U *cry* ahem. anyhoot this should be a damn good debate, which are words I don't think has ever been said about any debate.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:05 a.m. CST

    Michelle Malkin...

    by PTSDPete

    Holy Christ.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:17 a.m. CST

    Darth Pants

    by EyeofPolyphemus

    Indeed, the left did. But since CBS had been part of those false documents regarding Bush's National Guard service, nothing came of it. a balancing act, I guess. But unlike Schieffer, Ifill has a book to promote that would benefit from an obama victory. <P> It does not matter. Both McCain and Palin are fine with her. it is just the rank and conservative supporters who are making a fuss over it.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:17 a.m. CST

    HERC - WATCH THIS CLIP

    by BringingSexyBack

    and embed it it your post please!! <p> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =KTkqosRiyYo

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:23 a.m. CST

    MICHELLE MALKIN IS A SHRILL UGLY PIG

    by BringingSexyBack

    Gwen Ifill is the consummate pro, the standard to which young journalists aspire. She'll be unquestionably fair. <P> And her book is about post-Civil Rights era black leaders, profiling Obama as just one of hundreds of subjects. <p> Much ado about nothing, as usual.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:26 a.m. CST

    REDSHIRT

    by BringingSexyBack

    Palin's approval rating in Alaska has dropped to 68% in the last 3 weeks. There are now 4 governors with higher approval ratings than her. Chalk it up to the truth about her being exposed.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:28 a.m. CST

    BILL CLINTON WAS A RHODES SCHOLAR

    by BringingSexyBack

    Comparing Palin to Clinton now? You have to marvel at the mind-numbing twists of logic coming out of the far Right.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:31 a.m. CST

    RE: Loserguy

    by VoxMillennium

    First of all, if a reader is clever enough to make up his/her own mind, another opinion shouldn't disuade them. Second, nobody forces you to read the political tb's. From the amounts of responds to each of them, clearly there is a definite interest also among tb readers to discuss matters other than cinematic. Third, it's an illusion that one can be non-biased; everybody is, including you which is clear from your respons. Fourth, your comment that Pallin should have been asked familial questions so she would have done ok is of a level of lunacy unfortunatley not unique from the gop side of the political spectrum. We are talking about a woman who could one day be president and you're saying that the level of questions put to her should be restricted to staying in her comfort zone? You can honestly demand this with a straight face? I guess one can only if one considers a geographic proximity to a foreign country counts for experience in foreign policies.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:31 a.m. CST

    "Stand up, Chuck!"

    by Pageiv

    I love Biden, every day I wake up and look to what he said that will lift my spirits. McCain needs to let Palin pull her head out of her six point of contact and kiss some, you know?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:31 a.m. CST

    VIDEO OF SARAH PALIN'S GRADUATION CEREMONY

    by BringingSexyBack

    She was the salutatorian. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSdFIDygFwM

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:36 a.m. CST

    Michele Malkin is hot...

    by cripeman

    There I said it. <P> She's a lying, vicious, baiting scumbag ... but I would SERIOUSLY turn her inside out.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:44 a.m. CST

    I don't like either of these people

    by BizarroJerry

    I don't think Palin knows what she's doing, and I think Biden is a smug wiseass. For some reason, I may still wanna watch, though. It'd be interesting if Palin DOESN'T embarass herself.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:46 a.m. CST

    I should add one thing

    by BizarroJerry

    Quayle debated Bensen back in 1988 and Quayle mostly got his ass kicked. Didn't stop Bush from winning.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:49 a.m. CST

    The Obama Hitler Youth will sing a song...

    by Big Dumb Ape

    ...to open the show and set the mood for Ifill. Oops, I meant to say those really cute and precocious Singing for Change kids will give a heartfelt performance.<p>Seriously, what the fuck is up with that video? That has to be one of the CREEPIEST things I've seen in ages. The little girl who opens it has such a vapid, wasted look in her eyes, probably from her own Mom slipping her some sort of mind altering drug in her kool-aid. But I suppose indoctrinating the youth to sing on behalf of "The Leader" is something that makes Obama smile. Nice to know David Axelrod has Kim Jong-Il on speed dial...

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:49 a.m. CST

    The Dick Morris who said Obama won the debate ?!?

    by PTSDPete

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:54 a.m. CST

    Big Dumb Ape

    by PTSDPete

    It's not just a name, huh ? Like ' Sarah Palin ' ?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:11 a.m. CST

    Biden needs to wipe the floor with her

    by lunalu

    She makes Dan Quayle look like a genius. It is pretty sad that the Republican party is pushing her because they think they can get the female vote. I hope that undecided women realize the only one of those two who actually cares about them is Biden. His bills protecting them more than speaks for itself. Palin made rape victims pay for their own rape kits. Nothing like blaming the victim.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:13 a.m. CST

    Thanks for reminding me!

    by chrth

    I just went and reserved Iron Man from Redbox to watch tonight instead of this crap. Thanks AICN!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:20 a.m. CST

    Any chance for a topless debate?

    by sott68

    OMG - I love Sarah Palin. I want her to sit on my lap and whisper foreign policy points in my ear.... that would be hot.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:24 a.m. CST

    Krack

    by Shan

    That was a rhetorical question I was asking about Rolling Stone Magazine. We Australians do tend to lay the sarcasm on pretty thick but it may not always be completely apparent in text. <p> I read somewhere that Dan Qualye is worth 500 hundred million dollars. <p> There is no God.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:25 a.m. CST

    That should read Quayle.

    by Shan

    I don't know why my usually reliable spelling skills go fubar on this site.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:25 a.m. CST

    Lets all Hope...

    by redfist

    That they give each canidate 2 mintutes to talk and watch Palin destroy herself with him mindless chatter. I know water cooler politicans that can talk a point better than her. Palin is just a demographic template, she was to be seen as a maverick choice, woo the Militant Hiliary Dikes and get the pro-lifers in for McCain. No one bothered to really talk to her and notice that she IS A FUCKING RETARD. "one 72 year old's heartbeat away from being President" indeed.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:29 a.m. CST

    Stanton29...

    by Kid Z

    ...but according to the Christers, all animals lived peacefully until Eve munched into that apple and brought sin into the world. T-Rex was a peaceful plant-eater who used his 6-inch long, serrated, daggerlike teeth to crack open coconuts so Eve could bake up German chocolate cake for everyone... or some such loony shit.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:30 a.m. CST

    Damn You Michael Bay

    by MCMLXXVI

    Damn You Michael Bay

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:34 a.m. CST

    Let them debateand then you decide -- NOT the media

    by Big Dumb Ape

    First of all, to BizarroJerry and following up on your post, keep in mind that historically the so-called pundits in the media felt Reagan lost to Carter, that Quayle had crippled and ruined all of Bush I's chances, and that Bush II lost resoundingly to Gore AND then lost badly to Kerry, too...<p>...And yet on Election Day, as you pointed out, the American people showed that they didn't agree AT ALL with the so-called intelligentsia.<p>Personally, that's why I don't give a crap about the post-debate shows -- to be fair and unbiased across the board -- because they ALL start spinning so much that it's rather pathetic and disheartening. And headache inducing, so keep your Tylenol handy. Actual discussion goes out the window on behalf of pure punditry and what's the point of that? Seriously, do you really think you're going to get a balanced opinion from EITHER Sean Hannity OR Keith Olbermann?<p>The worst part of this being that we've now reached the ridiculous point where the freakin' media starts calling something BEFORE it's even taken place -- be it politics or a sporting event or whatever. For crying out loud, why can't today's newscasters just DO their fucking job and report things accurately and then leave the discussions to the American people at large? Seriously, does anyone just simply report the news anymore on any of these so-called news channels or is EVERYONE a paid commentator these days?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:37 a.m. CST

    sott68

    by just pillow talk

    Show her your pipeline. That'll throw her in a tizzy.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:38 a.m. CST

    The rape kits thing...

    by Kid Z

    ...I mean, how can anyone be such a complete neanderthal, not to mention asshole douchebag, to actually make rape victims pay for their own evidence collection kits? Where is the outrage? The reason she did it is because most rape kits contain the "morning after pill" to ensure the victim doesn't get pregnant. The Christers are against the morning after pill or any form of birth control. Can't have that 8-cell blob of undifferentiated tissue (in Christer-speak: "pre-born baby") getting flushed out of the ambulatory womb (Christer view of women)! Also in the Christer worldview a woman who was raped was asking for it. It's amazing how much the Christers are similar to radical Muslims. They even like to blow up buildings (Timothy McVeigh) just like their cave-dwelling cousins in Afghanistan!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:42 a.m. CST

    Big Dumb Ape...

    by Kid Z

    ...W DID lose resoundingly to Gore in the 2000 election. The Repubs then staged a coup using the judges they bought on the Supreme Court and their talking heads in the Repub-owned MSM to smooth over all discrepancies. Kerry would have won in the Electoral College count if the Repubs hadn't rigged the vote in Ohio. Go read a book instead of getting all your info from Rush Limbaugh!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:44 a.m. CST

    Kid Z: Yeah, your sources sound much more reliable

    by chrth

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:46 a.m. CST

    Malkin is also a racist...

    by Kid Z

    ...hates all immigrants and anyone lighter-skinned than her lesbian lover Ann Coulter. Which is odd considering she's a freaking Phillipino.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:48 a.m. CST

    "Palin made rape victims pay for their own kits."

    by Big Dumb Ape

    Lunalu, for crying out loud, if you don't like a candidate at the very least do some minimal research to find out the TRUTH as opposed to continually spreading BULLSHIT LIES.<p>She did NOT try to charge rape victims for their kits. In fact, this whole rape kit story has long since been debunked, and it isn't even a Palin story.<p>The Chief of Police in Wasilla (NOT Palin) had a policy of asking a victim’s Health Insurance Company to pay for the rape kit as part of their ER visit. And for the record, that's actually a policy employed in several states. This became an issue only because the PREVIOUS governor of Alaska (NOT Palin) signed a bill forbidding it. It was signed into law BEFORE Palin was even Governor.<p>Ultimately, it boils down to something very simple: rather than sticking the cost of the kit to the victim OR even to the municipality and the local taxpayers, the Chief of Police in Wasilla (NOT Palin) wanted to charge the PERPETRATOR of the crime for any and all costs -- which frankly makes the most sense from a criminal justice standpoint. Seriously, send the bastard to jail AND stick him with all the legal/medical bills of the victim.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:48 a.m. CST

    Keeping an eye on Russia

    by Gozu

    The thing is that she hasn't really been making verbal gaffes, but rather just seems to be completely out to lunch.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:48 a.m. CST

    Chrth...

    by Kid Z

    My half-wacked, senile, Uncle Joe is a more reliable source than Limbaugh.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:50 a.m. CST

    "intelligentsia"

    by WerePlatypus

    Strike Three. Yellow Card. Technical Foul. You may as well have said "idiotarian." Thanks for playing!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:58 a.m. CST

    rape kits

    by just pillow talk

    It is completely unknown how she felt about the matter. One can argue one side or the other. She did not come out against the police chief who was completely for that practice of billing out the cost of rape kits to the woman and/or insurance companies. Nor did she come out and condone that practice either. <p>I don't see how it's proof either way. We just don't know.<p>But I do disagree to an extent that it's not a Palin story, since she was mayor during that time when the police chief was very forthcoming in how he felt about the practice.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:02 a.m. CST

    Big Dumb Ape

    by Lost Jarv

    re: Rape Kits <P>Palin knew full fucking well that uninsured rape victims would potentially be charged for the rape kit. This, admittedly, is not the same as presenting a rape victim with a bill, and not one victim was ever charged. <P>However, it is bad enough that she was aware of the potential for this to happen, and lack the sympathy/ compassion to do something about it. <P>BTW, the perpetrator being charged thing is absolute hogwash- you cannot enforce this bill until he would be convicted- which could be months or years down the line. In the meantime the victim was going to have to foot the bill. <P>The rape kit thing is the one unequivocally appaling thing on her record (everything else can be argued about)- and personally I think it's dreadful enough to disqualify her from the race. <P>Mind you, I also think lots of the arguable things are dreadful enough to disqualify her as well.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:10 a.m. CST

    pillows

    by Lost Jarv

    no that only works if you show her your pipeline and then whisper "god made it" in her ear.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:25 a.m. CST

    You Know It doesn't Help

    by HermesTrismestigus

    Putting a tool like Matt Damon on this political site, I like my entertainment separate from politics, oh oops they are the same thing.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:26 a.m. CST

    Funny stuff

    by DaKnifeOrDaGun

    I haven't laughed this hard in months (from the various comments) but I appreciate the 'passion' of both sides. I think this debate will mark a significant crossroads in the election. From the accounts I've read, Palin should not be underestimated in debates and can most certainly hold her own. I dont anticipate a KO. However 90 minutes is a long ime to maintain. It's possible as the debate wears on, she may drop her guard. Unfortunately she will have to practically score a KO against Biden to lift public confidence in her. She will only have one VP debate so she will have to make it good.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Kid Z, you are calling people racists

    by Shut the Fuck up Donny

    but arbitrarily throw the word "lesbian" around at women you don't like, along with deriding and collectively labeling a whole group of people you disagree with as "Christers." <p> At least you're not attacking the "'coons" and "chinks," huh? <p> There are obviously some major differences between a racial group and a religious group, but the act of isolating and demonizing a group of people to marginalize their beliefs and arguments is petty and no more than intellectual cowardice. <p> Hell, just writing something off as "liberal propaganda" can be just as bad. <p> I hope you're joking, because I can't take you seriously. And I don't even have a dog in this Palin/Biden fight! <p>

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:32 a.m. CST

    Augh, I promised myself I wouldn't get involved with politics

    by Shut the Fuck up Donny

    on this damn site. I'm just throwing gasoline on the fire. <p> I LIKE SUPERMAN, STAR WARS, BOOBIES, AND KRAFTWERK.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:32 a.m. CST

    Jarv

    by just pillow talk

    and tell her you'll "drill baby, drill".

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:37 a.m. CST

    or

    by Lost Jarv

    that you're all for deforesting the Alaskan wilderness.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:38 a.m. CST

    Thanks for the Flame War

    by Oceanlizard

    What's next? Is the PS3 blu-ray player better than the 360 HD player? Oh, hello all you dumb-asses making your bullshit political amateur commentary.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:42 a.m. CST

    OBAMA AND MCCAIN ARE BOTH LOSERS!

    by Dick Bahls

    Both of these guys showed us last week how neither one of them is a leader. We have this financial crisis, one showed up and made a fool of himself, and the other just said call me if you need me. Neither one of them has any business running for president. One guy's claim to fame is that he got captured, and the other one has been propped up by the Chicago underworld. This country is in serious trouble. This will not change untill the people rise up & start seriously voting for independents.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Palin's Biographical Movie will be called......

    by redfist

    Walk the Pipeline... Clear Cut.... I read whatever is put in front of me... It's about Trade and Putin's Ugly Head...

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:51 a.m. CST

    Dick Bahls

    by redfist

    Ron Paul lost, just accept it.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:08 a.m. CST

    Sarah Palin Nude?!?!?!?!?!

    by bobsjohnson

    Probably not. But I'm certain that the McOldy camp picked someone that could easily be called "in the tank" for Obama just so they can claim that Sarah Palin's horrific performance in the debate was some kind of "media bias." It's the same kind of BS the RepCons have been pulling out since Reagan's decrepit evil ass. http://tinyurl.com/3sjqcy

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Oceanlizard

    by just pillow talk

    It's a thread devoted to the debate. People will come here and throw around their views, right or wrong. It's still their right to express them in a POLITICAL thread. Why did you come to a POLITICAL thread and decide to take a shot at everyone? Why not go to Vern's Seagal thread and tell everyone what a worthless prize it is next?<p>Dumbass.

  • Well, actually isn't GW Bush meant to be the leader at the moment with this crisis? <p> How's that working out by the way?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Palin debate FUNNIER than Earl and Office.

    by knowthyself

    This chick is hilarious to watch. The more she speaks..the more I laugh.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:24 a.m. CST

    This will be the most entertaining thing...

    by StovetopStuffin'

    on TV. If Palin doesn't have an "emergency" which causes her to back out at the last minute.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:41 a.m. CST

    But pillows

    by Lost Jarv

    that prize would be useless for me as my region 1 DVD player went the way of the dodo last week.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:41 a.m. CST

    BREAKING NEWS...Palin says thanks but no thanks to...

    by knowthyself

    ...NOT looking like an idiot. Says she prefers to appear dumb since it makes it easier to sneak up on the moose that way.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:47 a.m. CST

    PALIN = FARCE

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    People need to be honest with themselves and just accept her for what she is - a reckless political/strategic choice that disqualifies her senior running mate from Presidential consideration.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Let's not start sucking each other's dicks quite yet.

    by HoboCode

    Palin's going to bring her A Game. She's fine when she is prepped and versed o ntalking points which is all debates are now. Expect a battle.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Rickey says "thanks but no thanks!" the The Bridge to Tarabithia

    by Rickey Henderson

    Sooooo.... there's some sort of debate tonight eh? How curious! Rickey is fascinated to hear this! What's the over/under on Jesus appearing in the middle of the debate and rapturing away Caribou Barbie?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:52 a.m. CST

    goddamnitalltohell, Rickey fucked it up

    by Rickey Henderson

    that title should've read: Rickey says "thanks but no thanks!" to the The Bridge to Tarabithia. For fuck's sake, Rickey can't even tell a joke properly...

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Matt Damon is so smart...

    by Banzai Rootskibango

    ...I really think that guy's smart. I wonder why he didn't decide to run for president. He's so smart. He's Matt Damon.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Matt Damon...

    by Banzai Rootskibango

    ...Matt Damon.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Matt Damon?

    by Banzai Rootskibango

    Matt Damon!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Hillary vs Palin

    by knowthyself

    Its amazing to me the stark differences between the two. Hillary was a good presidential nominee who just happened to be a woman. Just like Obama running for president. Palin is a woman running for VP of the USA. Woman first. Nothing she does convinces you otherwise. Everything she says is cringe inducing and embarassing. They can let her loose and stop hyping up these individual interviews to distasterious results. Or continue to keep her on a short leash and thus making each single interview that much more news worthy. Either way they lose. Tonights debate will only further expose her inability to speak honestly. The more she tries to tell you what she THINKS you want to hear the worse she looks. She's so green it makes me embarassed just watching her.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Why wasn't Hillary

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    tested for GSR after Vince turned up dead?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:59 a.m. CST

    90 Second Answers

    by StrokerX

    I doubt we'll get any fun back n forths...they made it so they only have 90 seconds to answer each question. WTF is up with that? Pandering to the newb?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10 a.m. CST

    Joe Biden will Swallow Sarah Palin Whole in Broad Daylight!!!!!

    by Rickey Henderson

    PS: Rickey would direct your attention to the only debate preview worth giving a damn about:<br> <br>http://tiny.cc/eiNMg

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10 a.m. CST

    I think that if you have financial institutions...

    by Banzai Rootskibango

    ...falling apart on election day or the day before...then Obama has a good chance of winning...if this bailout calms things down then I don't think he's going to win.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:02 a.m. CST

    By the end of the night, Joe Biden shall be...

    by Banzai Rootskibango

    ...but an infant, begging to suckle at Sarah Palin's magnificent bosom. Mark my words.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:04 a.m. CST

    IT'S QUITE POSSIBLE PALIN IS A CLOSET EINSTEIN

    by BringingSexyBack

    and she would be triumphant tonight. I'm anxious, and hoping Biden is able to rise to the occasion against this formidable chick.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Gwen Ifil will service Obama in broad daylight!

    by DoctorWho?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Palin's voice.

    by HoboCode

    Not sure I can stand it long enough to watch the debate.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:06 a.m. CST

    I SAID THANKS, BUT NO THANKS, TO COFFEE AND DESSERT

    by BringingSexyBack

    I prefer to eat out my wife after a nice dinner.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:06 a.m. CST

    HoboCode

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    The debate rules aren't really going to allow for a "battle". This works in Palin's favor because they allow her to spout off her recently memorized talking points in perfect sound-byte style without threat of confrontation or challenge.<P>As for Biden, I think the best thing for him to do is to just act like Palin isn't even there...which is sort of true anyway.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:07 a.m. CST

    where is Coughlin Laws?

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    I need to find a warm, inviting mouth to urinate in....

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:08 a.m. CST

    yep, BSB

    by Rickey Henderson

    She's a fucking genius. Going on Katie Couric and being completely unable to name one Supreme Court ruling she disagreed with.<br> <br> Rickey does agree with you in that the media has set the bar incredibly low for Palin. If she shows up for the debate and manages not to poop in her Star Trek outfit, it will probably be considered a win for her.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:09 a.m. CST

    "Let's not start sucking each other's dicks quite yet."

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    I haven't heard that line since the 3rd Grade.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:10 a.m. CST

    Rickey Said "thanks but no thanks!" to the Bridge on the River K

    by Rickey Henderson

    Fuck yes, here we go bitches....

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:10 a.m. CST

    MNG

    by HoboCode

    That's what I meant.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:10 a.m. CST

    Iron Man! Jack! It's on!

    by kafka07

    I think Jack find a weak spot in Iron Man's armor and win.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Rickey said "thanks but no thanks!" to

    by Rickey Henderson

    The Bridge on the River Kwai!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:12 a.m. CST

    DGDB

    by HoboCode

    So you're 13 years old? It's from Pulp Fiction.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:12 a.m. CST

    I'm curious about something.

    by jsm1978

    Can any of you give a LEGITIMATE reason that her possible creationsit beliefs affect her ability to run the country? Other than just "because it's stupid and/or crazy to think that" because many great, intelligent people in human history have believed in creation (even after Darwin came along).<p> Accepting creation or evolution has nothing to do with foreign policy, with the current economic situation, or any other major issue facing this country.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Rickey said "thanks but no thanks!" to

    by Rickey Henderson

    The Bridges of Madison County!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Rickey said "thanks but no thanks!" to

    by Rickey Henderson

    The Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:16 a.m. CST

    Coughlin's Laws= Stupidest poster here

    by Lost Jarv

    and that's saying something.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:16 a.m. CST

    BringingSexyBack

    by redshirt

    Palin dropped to only 68% approval? She's only top 5 now? Well damn then, I guess you are right about her then. Bullshit! Most Pols would kill for that high a rating. Oh, and it was Dick Morris making the comparison to Clinton, not me. Rhodes scholar? So what. Cecil Rhodes was gay and only created the scholarship to keep his stable full.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:17 a.m. CST

    DannyGlover

    by EyeofPolyphemus

    You sucked dicks in the third grade? what kind of school did you go to???

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:18 a.m. CST

    jsm

    by Lost Jarv

    The obvious answer is that in this allegedly enlightened day and age to believe in creationism seems to be either unbelievably stubborn or a sign of stupidity. <P>The question being do you want someone either that stupid or so stubborn in the face of all available evidence available as President.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:18 a.m. CST

    I SAID THANKS, BUT NO THANKS, TO A BRIDGE TOO FAR

    by BringingSexyBack

    The cost overruns would be immense!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Lost Jarv

    by redshirt

    Rape kits. I am glad you care so much about victims. I can only assume you agree with me that Obamas opposition to Born Alive Infant Protection Act disqualifies him as well. For Christs sake, he thinks it's OK to leave a delivered baby to die. No other way to spin it. Don't believe me? You tube Gianna Jessen.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:21 a.m. CST

    REDSHIRT

    by BringingSexyBack

    Point #1: Palin is no longer most popular governor in Ameerca. That's now a false claim. <p> Point #2: 12 point drop in Alaska in only 3 weeks. That's significant. <p> Point #3: Rhodes Scholarship. Your average 10 year old can use a computer. But you don't compare him to Steve Jobs.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:22 a.m. CST

    jsm1978

    by toshiro-solo

    I would argue that her reported SPECIFIC creationist belief would mean that she wouldn't be fit to run the country. Note that I said specific. It's a different thing to be a creationist who simply believes that there is a God who was responsible for the creation of life on earth than it is to believe specifically that humans and dinosaurs walked the earth simultaneously and that the bible is a LITERALLY TRUE accounting of the history of the world. To me, a belief that humans and dinosaurs were on the earth at the same time is indicative of being either uninformed, incurious, or unintelligent. Me? I'd prefer a leader of the free world who is informed, curious, and intelligent. It's not so much about issues per se as it is about the ideological underpinnings of the candidate, and I think that's fair game for whomever is running for an office this large.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:22 a.m. CST

    jsm1978 -- here's my legitimate reason....

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    If you are a true believer of creationism, and if you truly believe the earth is between 6,000 to 10,000 years old....then you are fucking idiot.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:22 a.m. CST

    List

    by jsm1978

    Here's a list of modern and historical scientists who would probably resent becing called "stupid or so stubbon in the face of all available evidence". http://tiny.cc/1cpoq

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:24 a.m. CST

    MAYBE GOD PUT DINOSAURS IN A TIME WARP

    by BringingSexyBack

    It's possible. With God, anything is possible.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:25 a.m. CST

    "sucking each other's dicks" line

    by Klytus_I.m_Bored

    Isn't it from Reservoir Dogs?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:26 a.m. CST

    I SAID THANKS, BUT NO THANKS, TO A PAIR OF HARRY'S USED UNDERWEA

    by BringingSexyBack

    Love ya, Harry, but ... no thanks!!!!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Toshiro, re: being "incurious"

    by jsm1978

    Saying that someone lacks curiosity or is uninformed... have you ever taken the time to read creationsit claims or information? Not trying to make it a personal attack, but if you're going to use that line of reasoning against someone else, it stands to reason that you should be curious and open to reading about other people's thoughts yourself.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:26 a.m. CST

    I agree Agent Johnson

    by DoctorWho?

    She's been on a small stage in her 10 yr political career. This is a HUGE stage she's on now and her whopping 2-3 interviews are the only thing people (outside if Alaska) have to size her up. We've yet to see her A game.<p> Biden has been sitting the Foreign Relations Committee for what...30 yrs? He's a Washington dinosaur and a known commoditee. We have years of commentary from him. <p> Obama and Palin are the 2 lightweights in these campaigns...but I don't buy the'lack of foreign policy experience' slam for either of them and here's why: If Obama is prez (or Palin hypothetically)they will be advised and brought up to speed by hundreds of advisors, specialists and experts. Within 1 year they will be up to speed on everything they need. The president does not make decisions in a vaccuum

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:27 a.m. CST

    SUCKING EACH OTHER'S DICKS

    by BringingSexyBack

    That was in the Craig-Foley Act of 2005. Didn't pass, thank God.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:27 a.m. CST

    redshirt

    by Lost Jarv

    that is bullshit and you fucking know it. <P>Fuck's sake.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Somebody help me with a debate drinking game

    by Tar Heel

    Take a drink anytime Palin says Alaska, hockey or media elite. Drink when Biden says change, Bush or Iraq. Any other suggestions?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Palin is a Hamas supporter

    by wash

    Google "Palin Appeared To Endorse Hamas In Couric Interview"

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Dinosaurs and man

    by jsm1978

    Not to get competely off track, but regarding dino's and man living together... <p> The creationist model calls for rapid speciation after the garden of Eden. There wouldn't have been the variety of dinosaurs (particularly flesh eating as everything was initially vegetarian) at the start. Life spread rapidly across the face of the earth, and natural selection factors led to the diversification of all the animal kingdom. <p> Things spread out in all directions, with humans staying primarily close together. So there could have been very little actual interaction. <p> According to the biblical creationist model, the dino's would have died out rapidly after the flood due to drastic changes in the global climate.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:30 a.m. CST

    redshirt

    by HoboCode

    That act is just a stepping stone to outlawing abortion and you know it. It's not leaving "delivered" babies to die. It's not allowing attempted aborted fetuses to die against the wishes of the person requesting the abortion. And how often does that happen? Almost never.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:31 a.m. CST

    TAR HEEL - I HAVE A SUGGESTION

    by BringingSexyBack

    Anytime Palin says "Ameerca".

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:31 a.m. CST

    jsm

    by Lost Jarv

    that's hilarious. You put up a link to a cretionous Genesis site. <P>Wow, I'm convinved now.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:32 a.m. CST

    although it would appear that I can't spell convinced

    by Lost Jarv

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Ameeerca & Worshington

    by HoboCode

    Get used to it.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:33 a.m. CST

    or cretinous either

    by Lost Jarv

    which is ironic.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:33 a.m. CST

    McCain is a Nazi

    by PlasmaOrb

    Now that i have your attention... anyone who votes for McCain and Palin hate America. They dont truly care about America like they say they do, all they care about is making money off of hard working americans to line their pockets and so McCain can buy a few more houses to keep his trophy wife happy. Even with all that being said.. how could you honestly vote for a creepy old man like him... he reminds me of a pedophile at times... has that devious smile... like the cheshire cat on crack. Palin is a complete moron.. she has no idea what she is talking about. They pushed her into McCains compound to fill her empty head with their so called facts, so its like she is craming for her midterm, hoping she doesnt fail. But when her answers come out and she really doesnt know what she is talking about, the people will see this and fail her. Being the Governor of the 2nd least populated state doesnt mean you have experience. A mayor of a major city like Los Angeles or Chicago would have more experience, since the population of a city is 10 fold over the state of Alaska. Plus she is a moron for even saying she can see Russia from her home... maybe she can if she has x-ray vision and has eagle eyes that can see through mountains and a country a couple hundred miles away across a ocean. It would be like me saying i can see Chicago from my house in Detroit... its fucking moronic.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:36 a.m. CST

    I don't care if she believes...

    by DoctorWho?

    ...the world is only 6,000 yrs old. I MYSELF THINK IT'S LUDICROUS. <p> But isn't it just as ludicrous to believe in Noah's Ark; world creation in 6 days; the Virgin Birth; God giving His message directly to Mohammed; Moses parting the Red Sea? etc.<p> Our greatest presidents and other office holders believed just that...it doesn't make these things true.<p> Frankly, her believing the Earth is only 6,000 yrs old has as much relevance to me as what she had for dinner last night.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:36 a.m. CST

    you're a good lad PlasmaOrb.....

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:36 a.m. CST

    jsm1978

    by toshiro-solo

    Yup. I have. Generally speaking, the "literal creationists" (there are many different belief systems that are labeled creationist, but I'm focusing on this one because that one is the one most closely aligned with what Palin is reported to have said) generally believe that the earth is somewhere between 6,000 and 10,000 years old. They believe that all fossil evidence was planted simultaneously at the time of the great flood. They believe that all existing animals are descendant from the animal pairings that Noah brought on the Ark. They believe that man and dinosaurs were co-existant. These are the general beliefs of what I'm calling a "Literal Creationist." The problems with these beliefs is that when viewed against the evidence that exists in the natural world (i.e. carbon dating of fossils that clearly go back much farther than 10,000 years and that clearly show different time periods for dinos and men, ice cores that show annual cycles of thawing and re-freezing that go back much much farther than 10,000 years, etc.), these beliefs cannot literally be accepted as true unless you discount MOUNTAINS of data. Again, I'm not saying every creationist believes these things, but from what Palin's reported as saying, it sounds like she's one of the ones who does.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:39 a.m. CST

    A moderated debate isn't necessarily

    by veritasses

    the best format for testing a candidate since you don't really get two people directly confronting each other on each issue (something Lehrer tried with Obama and McCain) but rather we just hear them falling back to their usual talking points. The Sunday morning talk show circuit, one on one interviews and answering questions at a press conference are far better. These formats usually allow the person asking the question to dig a little bit beyond the default talking points. And for the real test, Obama/Biden should go on Fox News (I know Obama's been on O'Reilly) and McCain/Palin (I don't know if McCain's been on MSNBC since the Republican convention) should go on MSNBC in a series of one on one interviews.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Earpiece hidden in glasses

    by StrokerX

    you know the Repubs got a new hi-tech reciever in her glasses to help her along tonight...

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:41 a.m. CST

    HoboCode

    by redshirt

    Sorry, it is allowing "delivered alive fetuses" to die, if that language makes it easier to swallow for you. Read the account from the nurse who discovered a baby left to die in a closet. It happens more often that you would think. Also, the same legislation passed in the US Senate 98-0. Are you telling me that Obama saw it right and EVERY democrat in the senate was wrong? This is an indefensible position my friend. Admit it.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:41 a.m. CST

    StrokerX

    by HoboCode

    Reminds me of those photos from back in the day of the square on W's back during the debate. He was being fed lines too.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Shheesh, Palin speaks with an accent...

    by DoctorWho?

    Disqualified. And Obama says "uh" and "um" a lot when his teleprompter is off.<p> What a buch of school girls.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:42 a.m. CST

    PlasmaOrb

    by Lost Jarv

    Although that comment about being able to see russia was stupid, you wouldn't need to be superman to do it. <P>Russia is only 3.5miles (I think) away from Alaska ta their nearest points.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:42 a.m. CST

    I say 52 million will watch

    by dirtsandwich

    And I expect it to be kinda blah...... I don't think there be any fireworks. McPlain made sure that the rules were tight. Only 90 seconds to answer with little time to debate. They thought it would be to dangerous for Fail-in Palin to have to much time so she doesn't spew her psycho babble.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:43 a.m. CST

    ahA! hobocode

    by StrokerX

    i never knew that...does not suprise me at all. I'm gonna be keepin an eye on you Palin!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:44 a.m. CST

    redshirt

    by HoboCode

    Provide me with the link to that alleged account and maybe I will. And, yes, every other Democrat was wrong. And spineless.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Lost Jarv

    by HoboCode

    From Anchorage or Wasilla she would.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Baby left to die in a closet

    by Lost Jarv

    this line pisses me off. There was immortal fish, the ninja counsellor, on the other day waffling on about nurses putting foetuses in fucking tumble dryers or what ever stupidity. <P>What. A. Load. Of. Bollocks.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Toshiro

    by jsm1978

    But see, that ignores arguments againt carbon dating and the claim that ice layers are annual. Such as the "lost squadron" of World War 2 that was found under hundreds of feet of ice.<p> Carbon dating is highly questionable. There are many cases of it giving VASTLY different dates for the same sample, or of giving dates to the effect of "1 million years, give or take 1 million years."

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Lost Jarv

    by jsm1978

    Yes, it's a link to a creationist site giving a list of current known scientists who accept creation. Who else would put up a list of scientists who accept creation, when the evolutionist claim is that "all scientists accept evolution"?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Oh, I know

    by Lost Jarv

    She's correct by accident, and it isn't what she meant.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:46 a.m. CST

    McGooCain

    by HoboCode

    < p > without the spaces. Look into it.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:47 a.m. CST

    bringingsexyback

    by redshirt

    I'll give you the point, no longer #1, but at least you admit that she was at one point. That's something. Tell me, when were Biden of Obama #1 at anything? Well, Obama was # 2 in terms of money donated from Freddie mac and fannie mae. That's almost as good. Also, reread my post, it was Dick Morris making the comparison, I was just letting you know what he said.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:47 a.m. CST

    touche

    by Lost Jarv

    I believe that the whole universe was created by some giant space being sneezing and I live in fear of the coming of the handkerchief.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:48 a.m. CST

    And with that

    by jsm1978

    I have to go to the dr then get to class. Feel free to go back to your regularly scheduled republican/creationist bashing.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:48 a.m. CST

    I for one

    by bismarckf

    am looking forward to the coming Obama police state.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:48 a.m. CST

    1 million years give or take

    by Lost Jarv

    is still at least 900,000 years longer than her belief system will allow.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:51 a.m. CST

    jsm1978

    by HoboCode

    Will do.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Obama police state?

    by HoboCode

    Meaning? Bush is the one that signed the PATRIOT Act and created the DHS which is akin to Nazi Gewmany's SS.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:53 a.m. CST

    HoboCode

    by redshirt

    Look it up yourself, any link I send you you would dismiss as right wing nuttiness. Joe Biden voted for it, so if he is wrong and spineless, how can you support him?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Hobo

    by Lost Jarv

    You'd be surprised at what an allegedly left wing government gets up to. <P>Look at the UK for what is going to happen, because believe you me Obama=Blair.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:58 a.m. CST

    redshirt

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Oh go fuck yourself. You got one thing on our guys...and you're gonna try and convince us we shouldn't support him. Yeah....sure. I'll be sure and listen to you. I would vote for Kim Jong muthafuckin' il before I would EVER consider voting for McCain. He is the lowest form of slime. He will lose....and idiots like you will shut the fuck up...eventually.

  • FOR GODSAKES! I dont care if she only "ASKED" about banning books, but the fact that she even considered something like that should SCARE THE HOLY FUCK OUT OF ALL OF YOU!! If this woman becomes prez, there will be no more aicn no more movies no more tv, except 700 club, and veggie tales

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Tar Heel

    by just pillow talk

    You guys are going down Saturday night!<p>Go Uconn!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11:02 a.m. CST

    I agree Jarv.....liberal control is dangerous as well...

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    ...any government with too much power is dangerous. If liberals had absolute control of all government in the late 80s/ early 90s....they would have banned all violence in video games. ALL violence.......fuck that.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11:02 a.m. CST

    DOWN WITH VEGGIE TALES!!

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Use the cucumber to fuck yourself in the ass!!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11:03 a.m. CST

    6000 Years Thing

    by KDog629

    I voted for the first time for Bob Dole (proudly), and for the second time for Bush (questioningly), and for the third time for Bush (to my everlasting shame), so I've been conflicted for the past several years as I began to feel less and less like a Republican. I was undecided and iffy on McCain five weeks ago, and he lost me completely when he chose Sarah Palin as his running mate. This has everything to do with her being inexperienced, incurious about politics, and seemingly completely disengaged from current events. This has NOTHING to do with her believing the book of Genesis to be literal truth. Believing the book of Genesis to be literal truth, by the way, demands belief that dinosaurs and man co-existed. It does not demand that it was 6000 years ago that this happened, as the Bible gives no date for Creation, and scholars have simply infered this from the simplest possible reading of the text. Anyway...believing in the literal truth of Genesis is a crime that up to SIXTY PERCENT OF AMERICA is guilty of. With all the wars that Christians, Jews, and Muslims have fought over their beliefs, all three are right in line on believing the literal truth of Genesis. All that to say, there are dozens of reasons why Sarah Palin should not be Vice President of the United States. Belief in a religious principle that a majority of America agrees on (no matter how backward and dangerous intelectuals may call it) isn't one of them.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11:06 a.m. CST

    DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    by redshirt

    I was arguing the "one thing" against lost jarv's "one thing" the rape kit story. He said( first) that the single issue dq's Palin, I countered with 1 issue against Obama. "Shut the fuck up" Hmm, a brilliant debate technique. Did you learn it during your online GED class? If you would really rather have Kim Jong as president, well then Obamas your man. He will set us on that path.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11:06 a.m. CST

    where do you get your 60% from?

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    I think that is rubbish.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11:07 a.m. CST

    redshirt

    by HoboCode

    I found your story on a pro-life blog. And your language of "left to die in a closet" is misleading to say the least. First off it happened in 1985. Who knows what procedures are now. Regardless the aborted fetus was put in a bedpan and taken to service room where all aborted fetuses were taken. Your language conjures images of the fetus being swept up and thrown on the floor of a janitor's clost next to a wet mop. It's dishonest. To say nohting of the gaps in logic in the account I read. The "shivering, whimpering, gasping infant" was taken to the service room where a nurse took it and cleared it's air passages" Really gasping with uncleared air passages? Gotcha.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11:07 a.m. CST

    bismarckf

    by smackfu

    I find that statement pretty ironic considering you just spent 8 years gradually losing your liberties to the Patriot Act and dozens of other Republican measures to restrict your liberties and spy on you. All of which the democrats fought against. You guys can be so delusional it's mindblowing sometimes.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11:08 a.m. CST

    redshirt

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    I'm not here to debate. If you are defending John McCain than you are a functioning retard. Grow a fucking brain and think man. McCain is a piece of fucking shit. I'm tired of hearing people defend this asshole. Let me guess....you worship him because he is an American hero and puts COUNTRY FIRST-- right? Oh fuck off. There are my debate skills....and here is my penis-- now blow.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Yes, I don;t believe a word of that story

    by Lost Jarv

    Sounds like complete propaganda horseshit. <P>And I've said all along that I think Obama is a shit candidate. I just think he's better than Palin.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11:16 a.m. CST

    HoboCode

    by redshirt

    Well, If you think being put in a bedpan alive is OK, I guess there's nothing else I can say to you.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11:21 a.m. CST

    redshirt -- typical Republican tactic

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Put words in the mouths of others you foul sack of period blood. Nobody is saying this sort of behavior is acceptable. Hobo is saying it could be grossly exaggerated or just pure propaganda as Jarv has pointed out. How the fuck do we know these accounts to be true? Why-- because a conservative blog said so. They would never lie or exaggerate right? Fuck that. You go ahead and have your fun running around telling everyone that Obama supporters love killing babies. Yeah...fuck you. <p> Obviously if this is happening it is disgusting and needs to be fixed. Obama should have never supported something like this.....but does that mean I wouldn't vote for him? Fuck no.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11:23 a.m. CST

    smackfu

    by bismarckf

    If you believe Bush was bad at restricting freedoms (and I agree that he has, though maybe not to the degree you believe) then wait till Obama gets in power. He's already showing a predilection for stifling dissent.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11:25 a.m. CST

    incidentally, smackfu

    by bismarckf

    Where did I state I was a Republican? Link please. Because for all of my life I've never EVER put a D or R after my name.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Almost 85% of REPUBLICANS secretly hate Palin as VP pick

    by ShiftyEyedDog2

    <br><br>...and this is from a survey done by a Republican publication! Republicans see just how bad she is, how she's completely unqualified, and she's making HUGE blunders that are further hurting their chances. Oh, they'll defend her to others and try to spin things to say why she's a great pick and qualified, but behind closed doors they're like "McCain...WTF did you do??!!!?"<br><br>

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11:25 a.m. CST

    DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    by redshirt

    OK you say it's disgusting, and you say that Obama shouldn't have (opposed) it. You and I agree it's disgusting. Why didn't Obama? What do you think his thought process was? That's what bothers me about him. Stop screaming invectives at me for worrying about this issue. Try some thoughtful contamplation.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11:27 a.m. CST

    We Need James Gardner in this

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    He is after all an original Maverick

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11:27 a.m. CST

    redshirt

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Okay. It is good of you to show concern over this issue. I agree with you...shit like that is wrong. I don't know Obama's thought process on this and I don't claim to. But I do know I agree with him on 85% of his other views.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11:29 a.m. CST

    its JAMES GARNER.....

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    How can you fuck up the name of the guy with the biggest dick in the industry? They used to call him "The Pressure Washer" back in the day.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Palin is just Awful...

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    This is not a Democrat vs. Republican issue. This person is simply too inarticulate, inexperienced, and dim to hold the VP post. This is perhaps best shown in her Good guys vs. Bad guys dichotomy of Middle Eastern politics...

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11:32 a.m. CST

    Sorry James Garner....

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    I loved him in Grand Prickx....Grand Prix

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11:33 a.m. CST

    why are conservatives such crybabies?

    by v1cious

    sheesh, and you guys say liberals are bad? all you guys do is whine. "ZOMG the media's out to get us! it's all a big conspiracy!" maybe if the GOP would stop fucking up, you would get better press. funny how they were all over Mccain's nuts after he announced Palin. don't blame us cause no one likes you, blame Mccain and his need to support your boy Bush's failed policies.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11:34 a.m. CST

    How will Obama restrict freedoms?

    by WerePlatypus

    Just curious. How does a little more regulation in business and a little more attention to education and job creation translate to some kind of locked-down communist state? Please, someone give me a clue here. . .

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Harry Reid believes in magic underwear

    by Immortal_Fish

    "if the teacher's tale is true, don’t we all feel a little less concerned about Mitt Romney’s use of magic underwear?"<P>Harry Reid is a morman. Hence, he also believes in magic underwear. But he's a Democrat, so that makes it all okay.<P>We should be way more concerned about the man that thinks he's talking to a little boy that lives in the bottom of a well. The same man that honestly believes he will bring about the apocalypse. But the Obamessiah has decreed that Iran is a small country that poses no threat, so it's okay, so that makes it all okay.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11:36 a.m. CST

    jsm1978 - Satisfying your curiosity:

    by mbeemer

    "Can any of you give a LEGITIMATE reason that her possible creationsit beliefs affect her ability to run the country?"<p> In exercise of her confirmed creationist beliefs she demonstrates that she either does not understand or care to abide by the principle of separation of church and state. She has publicly stated that she thinks 'intelligent creation' should be taught in school as part of the science curriculum. This is nothing more than a ploy by creationists to promote their religion in the schools.<p> Believing in creation theology is not necessarily a problem. Using a position of authority to promote it is.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11:36 a.m. CST

    v1cious

    by WerePlatypus

    The Conservative whining about everything since 2003 has been so shrill, I think I lost the ability to hear the tone altogether.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Platypus, Because if Obama Wins Then the Terrorist Will Have Won

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    Scare tactics 101

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11:36 a.m. CST

    James Garner is a fuck machine....

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    I heard he slammed Kathy Bates' piss fenders until they were blue. He fucks until he's numb. The only thing that can stop him is a commercial free broadcast of Big Trouble In Little China.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11:37 a.m. CST

    Conservatives OWN talk radio, Fox News, many pundits, etc.

    by wash

    Fucking crybaby shit heads. There's no dearth of sources for their propaganda, they just want to have it all.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11:37 a.m. CST

    You know what's sad?

    by toshiro-solo

    The McCain of 2000? I had respect for that guy. I still probably wouldn't have voted for him (in what SHOULD be the bedrock difference between Repubs and Demos - the size of the government and its proper role in serving its citizens - I generally come down on the Democratic side of the line), I at least felt like the guy wasn't kowtowing to some bullshit right wing that's made the Republican party less about smaller government and more about different big government. In his 2K run, he had some of his own ideas, and he wasn't afraid of that. Then the G.W. campaign swift boated him and sunk him, and ever since, it's been a slow process of capitulation to the new "ideals" of the Republican party - especially in the last 12 - 18 months. The McCain of 2000 didn't freak me out; this year's model really does.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11:43 a.m. CST

    McCain makes me hate the elderly....

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    ...and that's sad. I usually enjoy the company of those crusty old fucks.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Matt Damon?

    by richievanderlow

    I get what he's saying about Palin, but does he really believe Obama is any more qualified than Sarah Palin? Apparently, he doesn't realize that the bigger concern is that Obama will be gaining the presidency, not the vice presidency. I want to know more about what Obama supports, why he didn't vote on bills that he should have.. those speak louder to me than someone's religious views. Further proof that celebrities have no idea how to speak to the common populace of this country.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11:47 a.m. CST

    I explained Dinosaurs to you idiots last week...

    by turketron

    Maybe if I break it down in bullet form it will be easier for you simps to digest.<p><p> 1)Dinosaurs are robots created by humans in the future from an alternate timeline.<p><p> 2)They were sent back in time billions of years to the past to battle Xenu, and prevented him from stacking humans around volcanoes and blowing them up with hydrogen bombs.<p><p> 3)Once they accomplished their mission, the dinosaurs lived with the freed humans until they eventually broke down and died. They have a limited operating life, much like a light bulb. <p><p> 4)Dinosaurs operated on a special fuel from the alternate future, their bodies were able to reuse this fuel indefinitely (until they "died"). Once dead, over billions of years their bodies broke down, leaving only endoskeletal remains. Their fuel seeped deep into the earth, and became the "fossil fuels" that we use today.<p><p> Read between the lines and you can figure out where Palin gets her claims about dinosaurs and humans living together, figure out how Scientology isn't true (but it was in an alternate timeline), etc. It's not hard folks.<p><p>

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11:49 a.m. CST

    WerePlatypus

    by bismarckf

    Truth Squad. Annenberg vs Kurtz. Accountable America. His days as an "unopposed" state legislator. Seriously, if the party-affiliation were reversed, half the people on this TB would be screaming "this guy's gonna bring this country in a police state!"

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11:51 a.m. CST

    turketron

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Could we possibly use that fuel technology to fuel our cars? Maybe this is part of the cover up. Palin wants to "DRILL BABY DRILL!!" and tear down every bit of Alaskan wildlife in site. If the fuel source of the dinobots was every discovered...it would be game over for the oil industry and dear old Taaaaad Palin would be out of his cushy consulting gig with big oil. She fucking hates those dinosaurs. She probably gives the finger to Spielberg and Crichton every time they cross paths.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11:52 a.m. CST

    toshiro-solo

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Well said. It's a sad notion to think that John McCain (as evidenced by his increasingly irratic and rude behavior) will now say and do anything to get elected. ANYTHING. It makes me wonder if the country ever really "knew" the real man behind the war-hero/maverick mystique.<P>What's funny (and sad) is that the guy can't believe he's having such a hard time with Obama. It's written all over his face. Anyone who saw his little press conference yesterday can see just how frustrated he has become over the current state of his campaign and poll standings.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11:53 a.m. CST

    richievanderlow

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    I don't give a fuck about experience really. McCain seems to have all the experience in the world. He's been around for fucking ever....that doesn't change the fact he's a delusional cunt with a nasty attitude and a shit voting record. Experience isn't always a good thing. I don't judge Palin on her lack of experience...I judge her on her apparent lack of a brain. Obama has shown he can hold his own with McCain....so what's the problem?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Palin

    by dirtsandwich

    Did you cheat on your husband with his business partner? Did you abuse your powers and fire a police official? Did you let a road to nowhere be built for 25mil of taxpayer's money? Did you take credit for saying no to the bridge to nowhere, and still keep the 330 mil for your state? Did you exaggerate that you sold a plane on EBay? Did you try and have polar bears removed from the endangered species list just for a natural gas project? Did you ok the right to shoot wolves from planes because they were a threat economically? Did you say that "We have to make sure it's God's plan in Iraq?" Did you have a witch doctor expel demons from you at a church? Scary shit!What other kind of stupid baggage do we need to be aware of?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Remember Superman 2?...

    by AnakinsDiapers

    ...when Superman confronted Zod at the Daily Planet and they started giving chase around Metropolis? Everyones looking up at the spectacle and one spectator says with excited interest: "this is gonna be good." Remember that? That's where i am now.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11:56 a.m. CST

    toshiro-solo

    by toadkillerdog

    McCain senses his mortality. He is 72 years old. This is it for him. The last crack at the brass ring. He is mortgaging his legacy on this last try at the White House. I do not think that he has fundamentally changed, but I do believe he has compromised his integrity. The Palin gambit is perhaps the most galling example of selling out completely. He knows she is not qualified to be President of the PTA let alone, the United States. But he is gambling with our futures and could give less than a damn what happens to America if he dies in office and she takes over. As long as she can deliver conservative voters that is all that matters. That to me shows utter contempt for Americans and a total lack of good judgement. <p> I too once admired the man, but he has succumbed to the temptation of the office. Everyone who runs for the Presidency, has a massive ego. But it takes a very strong willed person not to surrender his or her integrity in pursuit of it. Sadly, McCain has done so.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Palin makes 200,000 a year..McCain has 12 homes..

    by knowthyself

    ..Cindy McCain dresses like a park avenue heiress. What exactly is "small town" about these people? What on gods green earth were they mocking at the republican convention? These folks are more Cosmopolitan than Obama and Biden. Not all of us have tanning beds in our mansions. Lord knows those things cost enough for small town folks like us.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Redshirt

    by HoboCode

    No I don't think it's OK but I guess my point went in one ear and out the other. Even if this story is true (which it's very possible it isn't), it's exagerrated for an emotional effect.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:01 p.m. CST

    McCain could still win? Obama just stole FLORIDA for god sakes.

    by knowthyself

    A state McCain had LOCKED DOWN for months. Obama is headed toward a landslide election on his behalf. McCain is so far behind he may never recover.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Palin has been cramming for debate as if it is a mid-term

    by toadkillerdog

    So, if she does a credible job of spewing the answers from memory, without really understanding what she is saying, I fear she will be given a pass. The dust-up of Gwen Ifill, is just the Right trying to launch a pre-emptive strike: If Palin screws up, it will be because Ifill asked her 'too tough' of a question. <p> My gut tells me this will be a very boring debate, and neither will make a mistake. The questions will not be so difficult or out of left field that Palin should be surprised. Palin probably will come out of the debate without any damage at all and maybe even slightly ahead. And the Right will trumpet that as a triumph. Do not expect anything much from tonight. Biden actually has more to lose than Palin.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:03 p.m. CST

    DannyGlovers

    by richievanderlow

    That's all good for you...but my post is about Matt Damon. He's being a hipocrite. Blasting Palin for lack of experience... did he even look at Obama in that regard? I think not. Fuckin' celebrities are political idiots.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Sorry, Palin is NOT "the most popular governor"

    by eXcommunicated

    New poll out: Palin approval plunging 12% in Alaska in 1 month. 4 other Western state governors have better approval ratings. HOW MANY TIMES ARE YOU REPUBLICANTS GOING TO TELL THE SAME LIE?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:04 p.m. CST

    this is fantastic

    by ArcadianDS

    "Seriously, she is unable to answer any question without falling back to catch phrases and buzz words. "<p> thats not the change we need!<p> thats not the change we want!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:05 p.m. CST

    The Rude Pundit

    by Friendo

    http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2008/10/what-biden-ought-to-say-rude-version-if.html 10/02/2008 What Biden Ought To Say (Rude Version): If at tonight's debate, Gwen Ifill asks Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden whether he thinks Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin is qualified to be president, and he doesn't say, "Gwen, let me speak for the vast majority of people in this country when I say, frankly and honestly, 'What the fuck?' No, really, What. The. Fuck. I mean, everyone's seen this goddamned idiot over here running around and playing national candidate dress-up. And isn't it embarrassing? Isn't it just so depressingly, godforsakenly embarrassing? C'mon, Republicans, you gotta hate yourselves for having to constantly defend her when she says something utterly incomprehensible or just plain friggin' dumb. You gotta hate yourselves for how far you've devolved. "Really, what the fuck? And don't gimme that fuckin' little sour-faced sneer, Sarah, where you look like just sucked a sweaty hobo's cock. 'Cause you know it's true and every time you get asked a question that stumps you, which is every fuckin' question, and you get that look in your eyes like the deer laying on the road way after the headlights have gone by, you gotta wonder, 'What the fuck?' yourself. You're in over your head, and there ain't no life preserver here. "Last week, we all had to watch while John McCain treated Barack Obama like he had just fucked McCain's daughter's lily-white snatch with his big black dick. Barack Obama fought for months to win the votes of his party to win the nomination. What the fuck did you do, Sarah? You ran a town that's the size of a Super Wal-Mart? You're a governor? Of fuckin' Alaska? Jesus fuckin' Christ, that means your only job is to see how much you can get away with fucking up the environment to squeeze a little more filthy oil lucre out of the wheezing earth so you can please the corporations that fuckin' own your state and to see how much you can afford to bribe the citizens there with Exxon's profits. And you're on stage with me? At best, you should be the second focus group-ready questioner in a townhall meeting, you know, the crazy Christian chick from a rural state no one gives a fuck about but we all have to pretend matters because of the electoral college. "And you wanna make fun of me? Saying you were in 2nd grade when I was first in the Senate? Fuck you. You know what I was doing then while your daddy was showing you how to rip the intestines out of a moose or some such shit? I was trying to stop the Nixon administration from blowing the fuck out Cambodia. And when you were sashaying your ass around a stage in a swimsuit and heels, wondering if you could just handjob the judges backstage, I was facing down Ronald Reagan for his insane policies, including in Lebanon. But that'd be history and that requires you to think about more than whatever talking points John McCain has been jamming up your twat and down your throat for the last couple of months, which is the only time you've given a shit about more than how to use your office to get jobs for friends, take revenge on ex-in-laws, and get pretty, shiny presents. "I don't wanna fuckin' hear about this dink anymore. I don't wanna know about how she went to five different safety schools before squeezing out a vanity degree like a turd from a constipated old man. I don't wanna hear about her retarded baby. I don't wanna hear about her knocked-up teenage daughter. I don't wanna hear about her fuckin' redneck husband. Fuck them. They are the ones who need to be led, not the ones who need to be leading. So I don't give a fuck about what Bush with boobs here has to say about jack shit. And you know what else? I don't wanna hear about the wisdom of small town America. You know where the Founders spent their time? In the cities. In Paris. In London. Small towns? That's called 'isolation.' And it's bullshit political talk for 'white,' Gwen. Oh, do I sound elitist? If it's elitist to want to elect people who actually have a thought in their head about more than whether or not to name the next child 'Remington' or 'Colt,' then, fine, fuck me, it's elitist. "This ain't a fuckin' game, Gwen. It ain't a fuckin' beauty pageant where you can give a cross-eyed hummer to a flute and charm your way to second place. We already played let's-put-the-idiot-in-charge. How'd that work out, huh? So it ain't funny that we are actually having a serious discussion about someone who is caught off guard when asked for a newspaper she reads. It's not funny. Not when the top of her ticket is Old Geezer Grumpy McStrokeEye. So, no, Gwen, even if the economy was so good that everyone was knee deep in cash and pussy or cock, even if Osama bin Laden told all his people to go back to goat fucking and then killed himself, even if all of a sudden we discovered we could all power our cars cleanly with pig shit, even if the streets were paved with gold, Gwen, this fuckin' idiot, who couldn't discuss a foreign policy even though her soldier son's life depends on it and who couldn't even name the Exxon Valdez case, fer chrissake, oughta be arrested if she sets foot in Washington, DC," then the whole thing will be worthless. // posted by Rude One @ 9:46 AM| DiggIt!| Del.icio.us|

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:05 p.m. CST

    exactly Danny

    by turketron

    The dinobot fuel formula CANNOT be discovered. It would most definitely spell game over for Big Oil. And as for her dinosaur hatred, you're right on the money. She probably owns every Turok: Dinosaur Hunter game ever created, from the first two good ones to every other crappy sequel.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Agent Johnson

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Rasmussen has it at 51-44.....Gallup, 48-44......CBS news, 50-41......Washington Post, 50-46. <p> You can go ahead and claim Obama's lead isn't impressive all you want. The fact of the matter is a young, fairly inexperienced, supposedly most liberal politician in the senate is beating McCain-- the maverick with 26 years of experience, in every poll across the country. He is picking up speed in key battleground states where McCain must win. This is shocking the hell out of the McCain campaign. You can tell by the old bastard's grouchy demeanor that he did not expect this. He expected an easy victory. The country isn't buying his bullshit anymore. He is finished. Go ahead and pretend otherwise....but you know this to be true.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:09 p.m. CST

    JOHN MCCAIN'S CLOSE TIES TO RUSSIA

    by BringingSexyBack

    http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081020/ames_berman

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:10 p.m. CST

    knowthyself - it is way too early for that

    by toadkillerdog

    It is too early to predict such a thing. Rememeber, the polls where headed McCains way just three weeks ago. What changed? Two things: The luster has worn off of Palin somewhat. She has time to get some of it back, and tonight will be big step in that direction. But probably not enough to get her back to the post convention bounce. Secondly, and most importantly, the Economy took front an center. Dems are thought to be better at the economics this time around, and McCain has taken a huge hit. <p> But this could change in an instant. Consider this: A terrorist attack on the United Ststes, will wipe out all of Obamas gains, and put security front and center. <p> Bottom line, no one saw Wall street mess happening so quickly. And no one knows if we will be attacked before election, or some other game changing event.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Palin-tology Will Join the Ranks of Seagalogy

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    This cult is really moving up the charts!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:10 p.m. CST

    richievanderlow

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    I agree with you. Celebrities need to keep their fucking mouths shut about politics. Even if they are on my side-- I'm smart enough to admit nobody gives a fuck what those cunts have to say.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:13 p.m. CST

    MCCAIN GAVE OBAMA THE COLD SHOULDER LAST NIGHT

    by BringingSexyBack

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/02/mccain-chilly-to-obama-on_n_131126.html

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Hobo, What's up with THIS:

    by DoctorWho?

    "DHS which is akin to Nazi Gewmany's SS"<p> DUDE???

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:14 p.m. CST

    IS IT POSSIBLE THAT MCCAIN HATES BLACK PEOPLE?

    by BringingSexyBack

    He did vote against Martin Luther King Jr. Day. Hmmm...

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Agent Johnson

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Ok ok....you're right. He hasn't locked it up yet. I don't think locking up is possible in modern day politics...unless photos of Obama in drag butt-fucking Rudy Giuliani surfaced. Then it would be locked up for sure-- Obama wins!! Everyone knows this country was built on vaudeville and show-tunes!!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:15 p.m. CST

    DannyGlovers

    by richievanderlow

    They're counterproductive to teh cause, I think. It turns quite a few people off. While I am voting for McCain, I think Obama will win it. People seeking a new perspective outweigh those voting down party lines. I wish the solution were that simple. I don't think Obama is the man to effectively do it. He scares me way more than McCain. Lesser of two evils in my book.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Damon upstaged by Benning

    by ArcadianDS

    ""We really want to hear her views, and I’m sure she’ll do very well in the debate. She’s obviously a very accomplished woman," Bening said. "I’m a Democrat, I’m a supporter of Barack Obama but she certainly deserves our respect."<p> -Annette Benning

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:17 p.m. CST

    I'm playing the Plain drinking game tonight

    by ATARI

    Take a drink everytime she says "It's about the jobs" or "John McCain says..." or "maverick".<br> <br> Chug the entire bottle if she says "I'll have to get back to you on that."

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Its either the bailout or another depression.

    by knowthyself

    Only an idiot would vote against the Bailout. Thats why both McCain and Obama support it. Anyone who knows even alittle bit about the economy can tell you that once banks can no longer loan out money for cars or small businesses we are finished.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:24 p.m. CST

    REad Friendo's post

    by Lost Jarv

    it's worth it. Just for "when you were sashaying your ass around a stage in a swimsuit and heels, wondering if you could just handjob the judges" <p>Funny shit

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:25 p.m. CST

    knowthyself

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    I dunno man. I don't claim to be an expert about this....but I have heard several economic professors say the bail out will do nothing but put the nation further in debt. Its basically gonna be like the stimulus package according to them....it may perk things up for a few months but it will return to the same situation very soon.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Jarv

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Where the hell is that post? And where the hell are you today? We're in the Twitch TB.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:26 p.m. CST

    The only answer is Steven Seagal for President in 2012.

    by Stuntcock Mike

    Keith David as VP. Finally the world can breathe a sigh of relief.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:28 p.m. CST

    knowthyself

    by richievanderlow

    EXACTLY... none of us should be happy about it, but the only thing our congress should be doing is making sure we get our tax money back when its all done. We shouldn't have to be doing this, but its this or the economy completely tanks.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Stuntcock Mike -- AMEN.

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Agent Johnson -- don't be an ass.....

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    You seriously think a country must believe in a higher being to function properly? Give me a fucking break. It just so happens to be like that from thousands of years of religious conditioning. If there was no such thing as religion-- the world would be a far better place IMO. Of course....no one will ever know. It is already tainted. <P> A higher being belief is fine. It would be pretty sad to think there is absolutely nothing out there.....but I have a feeling when you say belief in a higher power you are referring specifically to Christ. <p> And England is almost an atheist nation now....they seem to be okay.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Burt Gummer as V.P.

    by just pillow talk

    No, only an idiot would blindly support a plan that is being rushed for no reason. I have very little confidence that the money will used appropriately. The fact that we have no control over our financial institutions makes our global image look like utter shit and us as utterly hypocritical. Especially since we've told various Latin American countries to tighten up their financial system, and ours is a complete joke. <p>The impact on the world scale in terms of how much the U.S. has pull will be very interesting to see. Not only is our military stretched, but now it looks like are financial power is up in smoke.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:33 p.m. CST

    The experience myth ...

    by Shan

    Being around a long, long time does not equal "experience". <p> Furthermore, showing you have a clue counts as important, if not more important than experience. Taking what knowledge and past experience you do have and synthesising it into an appropriate plan (ie judgement) is even more important. <p> So far, Senator Obama and the Democrats seem to be demonstrating that to some degree, while the Republican campaign currently careering all over the place does not.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Agent Johnson -- oh yeah...and I do agree....

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    FUCK CHINA.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:34 p.m. CST

    DannyGlovers

    by richievanderlow

    I can't say that won't happen, but if this bailout doesn't go through, it is known that businesses and the economy will not recover for a long time. We'll be as close to a depression as we have seen.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Has anybody noticed...

    by Darth Macchio

    ..that there is literally ZERO accountability anymore? When Bush actually fucks up there's a parade of bobble-head asswipes to repeat endlessly that it's the fault of the democrats or the fault of the media or the weather or anything to distract you from the truth. When Clinton fucked up, we got this whole thing about how it wasn't him but instead this massive right-wing conspiracy and then everybody goes fucking bananas and retreats to their own corners where we glare at each other and throw sloppy piles of shit at each other. It's like we're not people anymore but a gang or group...a multi-bodied organism that defends the entire body even if it's a fucking useless appendix. ALL of our leaders are either criminally negligent, catastrophically incompetent, or closet extremists actually looking to take over the planet. Right vs. left seems more of a distraction for the sleeping masses than anything else. The current parties are practically unrecognizable from their origins. But it doesn't matter. I've got my starbelley tattoo which means you suck because you don't have a starbelley tattoo. Who favored the deregulation that is the cause of the economic madhouse? Guess what, BOTH parties are to blame! Even if one is more to blame than the other does it mean it's ok now? The guys who caused less trouble get off? Bullshit! You fuck up, you get fired. But not in government. Nope, gotta stick with the assholes for lack of other assholes to take their place. Look how much we hate each other just in general. Doesn't matter what you do...people insist on mindless loyalty to fucking nincompoops or some ambiguous party affiliation and I'm sick of the consensus championing fucking ass-backwards stupidity or smug arrogance. And I am absolutely talking about the entire political process in the US...BOTH parties!!!<p>Once upon a time there was honor in this nation. Now what we have is hyper-'reality'-TV government..either incompetence or fascism, either cronyism or partisan bullshit. It all equals 'fiddlin' while rome burns' to me.<p>I believe my greatest fear in this fucking mickey mouse bullshit idiocy we all participate in has not only already come to pass but is actually old news at this point. We just haven't acknowledged it yet.<p>Truth is dead. Sorry folks but I think it's all over but the shouting. Only having 2 parties is bad enough, after this election, whomever looses is going to loose BIG and then we've got yet another imbalance of these hyper-extremist views. Take your pick, socialism or fascism...cause apparently that's all we're being offered if you listen to each side's respective bobble-head pundits.<p>Again...it's all over but the shouting...which is exactly what a TB like this one is...no? Don't get me wrong, I'm not attacking anyone here, even those who speak only in insults. Most of you make great points and speak with respect and courtesy even with your passion and your rage; this is the essence of democracy but I'm speaking of the larger picture here. I'm speaking of the "system" and how it's totally and completely out of fucking control.<p>So, how's the weather in New Zealand anyway?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Agent Johnson

    by just pillow talk

    So then there's no problem when God faring citizens purchase goods made by your aforementioned Chinese child labor?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Sweden is 85% non-believer, atheist, agnostic

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    You know how they make up for it? Ridiculous amounts of sex.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:36 p.m. CST

    nice post Darth Macchio

    by just pillow talk

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Palin's gonna get FUCKED UP

    by BurgerKing

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:38 p.m. CST

    BurgerKing

    by richievanderlow

    That's because Slick Willie Clinton is popping ruffies in her water at the podium.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:39 p.m. CST

    McBeemer

    by jsm1978

    Just because someone espouses christian/creationist beliefs doesn't mean they would completely regard any separation of church and state (however debatable that topic may be). <p> As far as teaching creation theory in schools... yes there are people that push for that, but a lot of creationists simply want the major problems of evolutionary theory explored as well, and the fact that there is opposition to it. As of now, evolution is taught as dogma in the religion of secular humanism, and any questioning of it is shot down immediately.<p> A large number of creationists realize that it would never get a fair explanation in the schools, and that people would flip over the "church and state" issue.<p> Merely presenting the fact that there are problems with evolutionary theory and that there are alternative schools of thought is simply opening the door for genuine open discussion and debate.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Patton Oswalt Reconsiders On The Sarah Palin

    by Friendo

    This is from comedian Patton Oswalt's myspace blog. - - - - LET’S ALL NOT BE MEAN TO SARAH PALIN! - - - - I've been saying bad things about Sarah Palin before right now in the past ago. But that's only because I thought she was an unqualified, passive-aggressive, hypocritical cunt. However, I was hit over the head 11 times with an amber paperweight this morning. Then, seventeen minutes ago, I got my head trapped in a big plastic bag, and was not able to get any oxygen into my breath-hole for several minutes. And then I paid the mailman to give me a screwdriver lobotomy. And so now I see things different and also clearer than before back then. For first things, everyone who's laughing about her on the TV with Couric needs to understand that, when it comes to the country's money and bank outlook, we need to consider what Sarah said about jobs making and also the shoring up of our proud country and the mountains of glory and tradition that we, as a people, have forever held. And don't forget the health care which for the body of Americans as people and as a whole is critical. Do you remember the people who died in the towers? And to qualify more than Obama? Let me count on more than one hand! Obama went to smart-school Harvard only, which is shown by studies to be only a single school with a curriculum. Sarah spread her mind over five different colleges for more than that many years. Do you need a fancy school to know a thing or two about a thing or two? Ask a Democrat about the movie TRADING PLACES, where Eddie Murphy, with only street smarts, takes down a whole building of smart-school elites, and makes them poor. But that's because Democrats are racists and also Republicans freed the blacks which they also don't want you to know. Now to bring into a finish, Sarah's foreign policy expertly. Obama spent years all over every part of the world except America with Muslims and terrorists. And where was Sarah? She was in America, knowing everything about our proud country and you can bet if foreign leaders come here she'll know tons and tons about our country, and will set them straight! And Obama does not wear a metal flag on his clothes, which is a signal for brown killers. And also the troops babies eagles 9/11. I type everything I do now and now I just boom-boomed in my sweatpants. http://www.myspace.com/pattonoswalt

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Agent Johnson

    by richievanderlow

    Unfortunately, there aren't any other options. I can live with the ramifications if I can keep living a decent quality of life.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Darth Macchio has a point

    by WerePlatypus

    A very good one. Uh-Merica has some troubles, and we're all so freaking arrogant that we simply can't accept any solution that doesn't start with the phrase "America is the greatest coutnry on Earth, so I propose -" That is the definition of fidding while Rome burned. Of course, there are two solutions to this problem. . . engage in the process and work for change, or disengage all together and say "fuck it". What's it gonna be? Do you think we can educate the next generation, and seriously give them the critical thinking skill necessary to dissolve all the BS in politics, or are we going to let everything slide into opposing ad campaigns?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:45 p.m. CST

    very nice, Darth Macchio

    by jsm1978

    While I personally could have done without the profanity, I agree with statements. There is no accountability at all anymore. Government, business... it's all ridiculous. <p> The government officials who made thsi mess pointing fingers to play the blame game.<p> The business men who made this mess getting millions in salary to run these companies into the ground, getting million dollar buyouts of their contracts, and I read somewhere (though I'm not claiming this part as truth as I don't know if what I read was right) that some of them will be getting hundreds of thousands in government subsidies with the bailout.<p> This lack of accountability bleeds into the public life as well. "It's because he played that violent video game or watched that viloent movie," etc.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Homer Simpson Tries To Vote For Obama

    by Friendo

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aBaX9GPSaQ

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:47 p.m. CST

    GOT DAM INTERNITS!!

    by Friendo

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aBaX9GPSaQ

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Creationism Proposal

    by WerePlatypus

    Creationism isn't science, so obviously no to a science classroom, but what about Literature? As an atheist, I'd still be behind Creationism in Literature. Honestly, how can you discuss Shakespeare without Creationsim? Perhaps that's the proper forum. . . what do you think?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:49 p.m. CST

    The Bail out has nothing to do with rich or poor

    by knowthyself

    The rich will stay rich and the poor will stay poor. What the bail out does is keep our economy stable. At this point we can snowball our way into the worst economic crisis since the great depression. People think thats hyperbole but its truly not. LOANS people. Its our economy works. Student loans. Car loans. Small business loans. Home loans. Already GE is feeling the effect of fewer cars sold because car loans have to be so strict because of the bank crisis. US buys these failed loans, sell the homes hopefully for a small profit, and while we still have to work our way out of these troubles we can have some confidence that the constant bank failures will cease.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:49 p.m. CST

    See, when Seagal is President............

    by Stuntcock Mike

    the only bailout you will ever hear about is when he kills an entire Boeing 747 full of Jamaican/Columbian/corrupt cops/drug dealing terrorists. Then, after killing the flight crew(after realizing they had killed his first 2 wives), he realizes he is only trained to fly a Huey Cobra. Oops, time to BAILOUT!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Agent Johnson

    by richievanderlow

    What other conceivable options are there? Who else can float that note? Maybe the Chinese? I don't see any other viable options. I'm no apologist for Bush, but if he didn't push for this to go through, he'd be branded for not doing enough. He's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. I'm tired of Bush, but he's right on this one. The Republicans better get on board or Obama will have more fuel their fire.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Also, regarding parties

    by jsm1978

    Washington was against political parties, because he felt they were too divisive. Looks like he was right. People split down party lines so strongly. No longer is it "My country, right or wrong", it's "My party, right or wrong."<p> I can't help but wonder if economically and politically we are on the verge of driving so far off the road we will never get back again. Karl Marx always claimed that the capitalistic society was doomed to self-destruct... looks like we might be getting close to that if we can't find a way to change the way this country operates on a massive scale.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:52 p.m. CST

    "While I personally could have done without the profanity"

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    What the fuck? Have you ever been on the internet? Who is this....Charleton Heston is that you?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Obama is a fucking STUPID IDIOT

    by bismarckf

    who shouldn't be allowed to run AMERICA. (This message brought to you by McGooCain, who apparently is away from the keyboard for a minute.)

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:54 p.m. CST

    wereplatypus

    by jsm1978

    That will never happen, because that would still allow an anti-evolution viewpoint into the school system in some way, and that "rock solid" theory just can't be allowed to be questioned in any way, shape, or form.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:54 p.m. CST

    I agree with just pillow talk

    by bismarckf

    Good post, Darth Macchio

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Danny

    by jsm1978

    Yes I've been on the internet, and yes I know there is a large majority of people who have no problem with it. Particularly here. I'm simply saying I agree with the viewpoint without neccesarily agreeing with the exact manner in which it was delivered.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:56 p.m. CST

    is this the scary black lady?

    by punto

    I hear she runs a tough no-bullshit debate.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:57 p.m. CST

    jsm1978 -- you are pure gentleman.

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:58 p.m. CST

    jsm1978: Yaaawn...

    by mbeemer

    The fact is that evolution has been established by scientific observation. Creationism is solely based on religious belief. They can't be taught side-by-side; they're not even the same topic! RELIGION IS NOT SCIENCE. That doesn't mean "RELIGION IS FALSE". It doesn't even mean "RELIGION IS BAD". It means RELIGION SHOULD NOT BE TAUGHT AS IF IT WERE SCIENCE.<p> Pretending otherwise is dishonest - and the same religion that teaches that the earth was (literally?) created in 7 days also teaches that THOU SHALT NOT LIE.<p> If you have to *LIE* to promote your beliefs, that's not an act of faith, it's an offense against the God you supposedly believe in.<p> (And yes, for all your sophistry, you're lying.)

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Agent Johnson

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    It is nasty and shady....and its ridiculous that both Presidential candidates have to sign on quick out of fear of looking too partisan or risky in these tough economic times. But just look at the way in which both of them handled the situation. McCain is a scumbag. He really thought he would come out the hero-- whisking off to Washington to take credit for negotiations that had nothing to do with him.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:01 p.m. CST

    what was Shakespeare thinking when he wrote the Bible?

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Surely....he was smart enough to know this whole creation bit would be dissected in years to come. Maybe he found it all quite funny....

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Agent Johnson

    by richievanderlow

    Of course that guys going to say that.. and he's right... we're heading towards big banks shutting down because they can't back their loans with the minimums as required by law. Haste is paramount. The only other option is to find an entitiy with extraordinarily deep pockets to take over, and there is no other option in America. This situation is so very fragile. Right now everyone is waiting to see whats going to happen with the bailout. If it doesn't happen, a lot of big banks will fold, and we'll be screwed. This isn't about stock market performance. Its about our banking systems staying intact, and that's critical to our country's economic future. If it fails, it will take many years to repair itself.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:03 p.m. CST

    I would fucking freak out....

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    ...if my kid's school started teaching them Creationism side by side with Evolution.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:05 p.m. CST

    mbeemer

    by jsm1978

    How am I lying? I have yet to say anything that I don't believe to be true, or that goes against what has proven to me to be true. <p> As for scientific observation... that one is tricky. We have seen things change, yes. But change within the species. We've seen birds become birds, canines become canines, all through natural selection, or artificial selection by humans breeding for specific traits.<p> Evolution as pertaining to origin has not been observed, nor can it be. There is no way for us to observe what happened in the past (whether that past started 6,000 years ago or 100 billion years ago).<p> No mutation has ever been found to add genetic information, which is what would be neccesary for evolution as an origin of the species.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Creationism v. Evolution

    by richievanderlow

    Evolution = proven fact Creationism = Religious in origin I don't care if they teach both as long as they state the above as part of it. It's possible to believe in God and recognizing the facts... I do. That's all I have to say about it. Attempts to argue with me will not be answered.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Agent Johnson

    by jsm1978

    I hate to play word games, but I think I need to a little bit... <p> It comes down to a difference between evolution and Evolution. Little e states that things change over time (generally through the process of natural selection). That's fine. That is obvious as we see mutations resulting in things like wingless beetles, antibiotic resistant bacteria, and things to that effect.<p> Big e pertains to origin science, not operational science. That has not been observed, nor is what has been taught as fact observable because it happened in the (increasingly) distant past.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:11 p.m. CST

    FORGET ABOUT EVOLUTION, CREATIONISM, DINOSAURS AND GOD

    by BringingSexyBack

    It's the witchcraft we have to worry about!!!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Gravity

    by jsm1978

    Yes, gravity is a theory, and it's something that can't truly be proved (one of the things about science is that it can't actually be used to disprove or prove anything, which always seemed odd to me), but it CAN be observed, as you said. I have nothing against science that can actually be observed and tested.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Palin Advocates Creatinism.....

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    She is stupid.... No amount of Partisan banter can hide that....

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Honestly...

    by jsm1978

    I'd almost be more in favor of not teaching any origins science, as it is all speculation. Evolutionists will believe their side, creationists will believe their side, and never the two shall meet, save to bicker.<p> Of course, then the problem with that is, any hairbrained thought could be allowed to gain credence...

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:14 p.m. CST

    McGooCain

    by EyeofPolyphemus

    It was a joke.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Hilarious

    by mascan42

    Between Palin's babbling non-answers and Biden's drunken rambling, this debate should be comedy gold.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Palin is so done

    by oisin5199

    after tonight, it will be official. Her 15 minutes are almost up. Her own party is losing confidence in her. She's so out of her league it's laughable. I love how the funniest bit in the Tina Fey sketch was the rambling speech that was almost word for word what Palin actually said. And having McCain 'defend' her in another interview with Couric (and when did she grow such a pair?)? Further evidence that she can't handle herself. And this whole thing with Biden and the FDR comment is just so overblown. Yeah, it was dumb, and a total gaffe, but he was thinking of the Fireside chats, and most people who make fun of it are missing the point of what he was saying, which is legitimate: there was a time when the President could talk to the American people, communicate with the masses and reassure them, which Bush has not been able to do, McCain can't do, but Obama can.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:14 p.m. CST

    and with that...

    by jsm1978

    Back to class I go. I'm sure I'll be back in a few hours.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:16 p.m. CST

    I'd be fine with them teaching Seagalogy in schools

    by Stuntcock Mike

    Seriously

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:18 p.m. CST

    evolution vs. creationism

    by oisin5199

    Sure, teach both. But teach evolution in a science class, and creationism in a religion class. I'll never understand why evolutionary theory is such a threat to religious folk. Why does it preclude the existence of a Supreme Being or a Prime Mover? Why can't we have both if we want? Why can't religious folk look at the complexity of evolution as evidence of divinity if they want, and atheists can take God out of the equation if they want. This debate is so freakin' 19th century. When will people wake up?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Politics on this site is ridiculous

    by Toonol

    I once heard 3rd-hand Obama is Muslim. Can you put that unsubstantiated crap up in your summary? No? Why not? Because it's unsubstantiated, partisan crap. Just like 90% of everybody's snide bitching about Palin. And McCain. And every political figure. The electorate gets the government they deserve.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:20 p.m. CST

    IT'S THE EEEEEEEEEEECONOMY STUPID!

    by G100

    Anyone who SERIOUSLY thinks Wall Street and the Economy are going to magically reverse after the Bailout isn't paying attention. It MIGHT stop the Dow Jones plummeting for a while (and the only reason the Market isn't plummetting right now is because Wall Street thinks some kind of Deal is inevitable) But the recession is here, has been for a while, and it's hitting people in the pocket every day. The only question is just how deep and lasting the Recession will be.<p> <p>And the Dominoes of Banks and corporations certainly haven't finished falling either. This is a Credit Crunch not just a housing bubble and the other half of it could prove as Catastrophic.<p> <p>Amusing though Palin will no doubt be (even if she doesn't fall over and can adequately deliver glib generalities and rehearsed sound-bites for 90mins) the most pressing Question on voters minds will be, Can she take over from McCain, possibly without any notice, as President and tackle and Economic Cataclysm and 2 intractable Wars ?<p> <p>Because that's why there are an increasing number of Republicans gagging on the Palin kool-aid and coming out publicly against her.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Seagal Loves the Environment

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    He should be prez. He could kick Kyoto's ass....

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Seagal's Environmental Record: Fire Down Below

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:25 p.m. CST

    About Gwen Ifill

    by Toonol

    She may very well do a fine, impartial, objective job moderating the debate. But it is absolutely unprofessional for her to be put in that spot. It speaks poorly for everyone involved in the decision making process that it didn't raise a red flag. She would directly financially benefit from an Obama presidency.<p> That said, I think, especially now that the issue has been publicly raised, she'll be scrupulously fair. The trouble is that now, either side can claim bias if they lose the debate, truthful or not. That's why she should back out.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Seagal's Stance on the Supreme Court: Out for Justice

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:27 p.m. CST

    HEEERREEE COMES THE ZINGER!!!!!

    by uberman

    When can I get my zinger in? I've been practising it all week. I just need an opening....

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Seagal's Stance on NASA: Into the Sun

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    I will stop now...

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Well the Voters rate the Economy as the Number 1 issue

    by G100

    And have done consistently for a long, long time BEFORE the past few weeks clusterfuck.<p> <p>So you can be absolutely sure that it's going to be the number 1 issue by an overwhelming margin from now till November.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Vote Obama

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    and the Zombie Platform<p>

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Seagal's Stance on Golden Parachutes: Above The Law

    by DoctorWho?

    DarfurOnTheRocks you inspired me!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Ain't It Cool Polutiks

    by Friendo

    Can we get back to inane trivialities and fanboy infantalism please? This site is better at debating the homoerotic implications of the tailoring of Superman's underpants. Jesus is Magic.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:37 p.m. CST

    I had a nightmare

    by a rolling stone

    I have the shivers. In my dream, McCain dies of old age, bare moments after they swear him in... and it's President Palin, anyone? Oooh, I just gave myself the shivers again (brrrr). I'm going outside now. I need to sit in the sun and hug my dog.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Above the Law...

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    By Rassilon, that was good :)

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Seagal fucking hates the McCain/Palin ticket.....

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    ...because he heard McCain casually uses the slur "GOOK," and because Palin is all for destroying Alaskan wildlife for big oil. We all know the pony-tailer one is pretty much an honorary Asian-- he is know worldwide as the Dalai Lama of ass-kicking. And come one-- did Palin see On Deadly Ground?! You fuck with Alaskan wildlife....you fuck with SEAGAL!!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Some answers for you guys.

    by gboybama

    First out of the gate. Let's get to Palin's experience. She has more than Obama in my mind, by far. She's certainly accomplished more. So, worst case the GOP #2 has a little to learn, but the Dem #1 does as well. I know which situation I find less unsettling.<P> Next, I hear a lot of guff about the media from both sides. In case you guys didn't know, all subsidized (state run) media in this country (PBS for example) is hardcore leftist. You won't find one person in their leadership who has ever voted Republican. NBC, CBS, ABC, NYT, LAT: They all might as well be called subsidized as well. They can't make a profit in a market situation and are propped up by their stature and public perception which was built up in less partisan days by good newsmen. Again, they are liberal mouthpieces (which is obvious to anyone to the right of Ralph Nader. Anyone to Nader's left thinks Castro didn't go far enough and their opinion can be pretty much thrown out as outside the mainstream)<P> On the other hand, so-called conservative outlets like Rush Limbaugh, Hannity and O'Reilly had to build up their followings one convert at a time armed with nothing but an idea and a microphone. Their message sells, and sells big, not because people hear the Pied Piper and become mind numbed robots. Rather, they hear a message they agree with and one that differs from that of the subsidized/state media which previously held an absolute monopoly. What a breath of fresh air Fox News is to me, because I can tune in and actually hear both Susan Estrich and Michelle Malkin in the same hour! Then, I can decide for myself which had the better points. If only MSNBC and CNN could learn from this, they could climb out of the ratings basement.<P> Now, let's talk about that old leftist canard, the fear of the right wing fascist. I hear a lot of cries about the Department of Homeland Security, abridgement of our Constitutional rights and general abuse of government powers under Bush. OK, I'll grant you the point once you can produce *ONE* example of an AMERICAN CITIZEN who was wrongfully intimidated, spied upon or had their right of free speech revoked. If you can't even think of one, pardon me if I call your cries of "the sky is falling" for what they are, utterly without merit.<P> As for the dinosaur thing, I actually find it funny. Personally, I'm a strong believer in evolution and the fact that the universe is billions of years (or more?) old. Doesn't conflict with my Southern Baptist beliefs at all, in my mind. So, if Palin thinks otherwise and prefers a more literal interpretation of scripture, I find that a quaint throwback at worst. It's obviously nothing to get our panties in a wad about.<P> In conclusion, I'd like to take a more philosophical bent and point out the tone of the liberals on this talkback. While calling conservatives shrill and hateful, they rant, curse and throw ethnic invective like it's going out of style. Even if the rest of my note reads like nonsense to you, I would hope that this one fact at least gives you pause and makes you consider who's using rational thought and who's simply parroting a mantra.<P> Cheers!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Seagal's Stance on Euthanasia: Today You Die

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Sigma Finance = IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID!

    by G100

    The "SHADOW BANKING" system worth TRILLIONS is on the verge of TOTAL Colapse.<p> <p>The Bailout doesn't affect this system but when it goes totally under you WILL see utter carnage.<p> <p>Unregulated Private Equity and Hedge Funds are falling into the Abyss. Right Now.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Bacci

    by nyj_et

    Wilson was not president when the Great Depression hit. Hoover was. You fucking douchebag

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Palin Thinks euthanasia is part of the Largest Continent...

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:47 p.m. CST

    McCain loves the term GOOKS....

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    On his campaign bus recently, Sen. John McCain told reporters, "I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live." Although McCain said he was referring only to his prison guards, there are many reasons why his use of the word "gook" is offensive and alarming. <p> It is offensive because by using a racial epithet that has historically been used to demean all Asians to describe his captors, McCain failed to make a distinction between his torturers and an entire racial group. <p> It is alarming because a major candidate for president publicly used a racial epithet, refused to apologize for doing so and remains a legitimate contender.<p> Contrary to McCain's attempt to narrowly define "gook" to mean only his "sadistic" captors, this term has historically been used to describe all Asians. McCain said that "gook" was the most "polite" term he could find to describe his captors, but because it is simply a pejorative term for Asians, he insulted his captors simply by calling them "Asians" -- a clearly disturbing message. To the Asian American community, the term is akin to the racist word "nigger." A friend of mine, a white male Vietnam veteran, pointed out that veterans, especially Vietnam veterans, know how spiteful the term "gook" is. It has everything to do with labeling someone as "other," the enemy and yellow. McCain sent the message that all Asians are foreigners and remain forever the "other" and the enemy.<p>

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:48 p.m. CST

    DoctorWho?

    by HoboCode

    What do you think the SS was? Schutzstaffel means "Protective Squadron" in German. It was set up to protect the authority of Hitler's power and thus the State by suppressing any and all dissent. Homeland Security is already the third largest Cabinet position and is charged with protecting the U.S. from external and INTERNAL forces. It's not hard to imagine this organization slipping the way of the SS and becoming loyal to the President and not the people. It controls the National Guard, the Coast Guard, FEMA, the Secret Service, TSA, Civil Air Patrol, and immigration enforcement agencies so that prospect is indeed scary.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Seagal on McCain's health: MARKED FOR DEATH

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:51 p.m. CST

    http://www.campaignmoney.org/keating

    by HoboCode

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:53 p.m. CST

    McCain and the term Gook

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    His use of the word does not bode well for how he would deal with foreign policy issues.... If he is facile enough to view cultures in terms of binary opposites then heaven help us....

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:53 p.m. CST

    gboybama

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Hey, did you know that if you remove a few letters from your name it spells OBAMA?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Life, the Universe, and everything...

    by Darth Macchio

    ...is, has, and will always be up to all of us. Until some overpowering alien race comes down and dictates life to us, we are simply the ones in control. Anything else is an excuse or some pathological compensatory psycho-babble nonsense.<p>This is why I so dearly love creative works: movies, books, art, music..all of it.<p>If some conscious entity came to know the human race outside of our awareness...what would be our worth? What would we have done to make ourselves noteworthy? Not as a universal contributor but for the sheer gratitude of being alive. My thinking is all the technology, wars, philosophies, advances, causes, etc, etc...are all fleeting..and usually a reaction to the way we treat each other.<p>Our only claim to true objective beauty and worth is ONLY in our creativity. Everything else is a means to an end or simply nonsense blown way out of proportion to it's actual effect.<p>My point? Simple: politics is up to us. Life as a whole, for good or bad, is up to us. Chicken shit, or chicken salad...up to all of us. Right?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Agent Johnson -- whaaaaaaaaaat?!

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    You're into piss drinking and shit like that? You struck me as a calm and collected accountant or something of that nature. But if its gargling urine you're into...I can set you up with Coughlin Laws. Where is that diseased used tampon?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 1:58 p.m. CST

    wow

    by chokinonrhodes

    most enjoyable talkback in awhile..thanks everyone.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2 p.m. CST

    Van Damme as Seagal's Running Mate: Second in Command

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:03 p.m. CST

    krushjudgement

    by Bob Loblaw Law Blog

    Amen, brother! ;)

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:04 p.m. CST

    "Palin is all for..."

    by Toonol

    ...destroying Alaskan wildlife for big oil"<p> Hey, so am I, 100%.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:04 p.m. CST

    DAMN YOU MICHAEL BAY

    by Shut the Fuck up Donny

    Because really, he's not been damned enough lately.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Nice Gaius

    by gboybama

    Much love for you man! Haha.<P> And HoboCode, please see my challenge above. Peddling fear about the government in this way is so pointless.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:05 p.m. CST

    I'm for destroying all life for oil...

    by just pillow talk

    except the giant worms that live beneath us of course. We need some mode of transportation.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:06 p.m. CST

    If the writers of AICN were real journalists

    by Bob C. Cock

    they wouldn't vote at all. no joke.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Dinosaurs and Evolution

    by jzarbaugh

    Evolution has never been called a "proven fact" - even from it's biggest supporters. Evolution is a theory, and a shaky one at that. The only reason it is so widely held is that it is the best science can come up with. Unfortunately, it doesn't explain the origin of matter or what caused the "big bang". Nor does it explain how mutations - which are always destructive and degenerative- could continually go against nature to enhance millions of species to their current state. Evolution doesn't even begin to address what happened if / when a negative mutation inevitably killed off an entire species because it just wasn't beneficial. Would the entire species go back to the genetic soup and hope for the random positive mutations to happen all over again? Even with hundreds of billions of years, the odds are against evolution producing even a half-dozen species. As far as dinosaurs and people co-existing, I really don't see what the big deal is. Since evolution cannot be scientifically proven (as that would require successfully repeating the process), why is so threatening to acknowledge the possibility that evolution may not have all of the answers? Is there no room for other theories? It is well documented that there are several places in America where human tracks can be found embedded in the same surface as dinosaur tracks. Tuba City, Arizona and Glen Rose, Texas are two such places. The theory of evolution would say this is impossible, and would require that these prints be separated by layers and layers of earth. Though some may claim that these "cannot" be human prints, that conclusion is merely based on their refusal to consider anything else. The existence of these tracks alone demands room for another theory. Is it possible that the legends of dragons originated from a few actual eye witnesses? It is not as unrealistic as you may think.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Evolution

    by just pillow talk

    I really wanted to like that movie more than I did. I haven't seen it in so long though, maybe it's better than I remember? Or not.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:12 p.m. CST

    jsm1978 - Creationist sophistry

    by mbeemer

    "How am I lying? I have yet to say anything that I don't believe to be true, or that goes against what has proven to me to be true."<p> You're either lying about believing in some of the things you've posted, or have swallowed the creationist kool-aid whole. You're using every tactic - excuse me, every *DEBUNKED* tactic that creation apologists have been using for decades. So, you're either being dishonest or you're incredibly selective in what you CHOOSE to believe.<p> The crux of it is what I've already noted - RELIGION IS NOT SCIENCE. Treating evolution and creation as if they are competing theories when if fact they are addressing entirely different topics (metaphysics and physics) is dishonest in itself.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Toonol: "...either side can claim bias..."

    by mbeemer

    "That said, I think, especially now that the issue has been publicly raised, she'll be scrupulously fair. The trouble is that now, either side can claim bias if they lose the debate, truthful or not. That's why she should back out."<p> Either side WILL *CLAIM* bias if they think it will help them in the polls, REGARDLESS of whether any bias existed or not, and REGARDLESS of whether Ifill moderates or someone replaces her (at the last minute). That's why she SHOULDN'T back out.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Seagal on Palin's twat: Under Siege 2: Dark Territory

    by Stuntcock Mike

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Seagal on Obama: Black Dawn

    by Stuntcock Mike

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Evolution was way better than Dinosaurs.

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    Evolution was like a bad remake of Ghostbusters, but still far superior than Dinosaurs.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:20 p.m. CST

    gboybama

    by HoboCode

    Well we know that the telecom companies allowed the NSA to perform illegal wiretaps without a warrant so you can take one of the people spied on in violation of FISA as your ONE example if you like.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Tonight at 9:05...that's no earthquake...

    by Kentucky Colonel

    ...that will just be me, repeatedly falling out of my chair, clenching my sides as my lungs sear with the burning pain of laughter. That's not thunder, either, that's my orgiastic guffaws as my mind reels at the unbelievably fatal judgement of the McCain campaign and the feeble attempt to sway the masses with a cute lil vice presidential minx. That's not Continential Drift...that's all the undecided rushing towards the left in a desperate last-chance bid at saving what little face America still has with the world. <p> But just in case I've been reading up Dr. John Mack's "Abduction" and thumbing through my Hitchhikers Guide in cae I need to thumb a lift with the Vogon Constructor Fleet. <p> Please dear Lord hear my prayer.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:24 p.m. CST

    jsm1978 - Thank Thor you don't run ecucational policy

    by eXcommunicated

    jsm1978 - Thank Thor you don't run ecucational policy. You don't even know the difference between Evolution and Abiogenesis.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:27 p.m. CST

    jzarbaugh

    by shut_the_fuck_up_Donnie

    Are you fucking serious?! From your description of evolution you seem to have no idea what the theory of evolution actually is. Its not a mutation that suddenly happens to all members of a species and if its good they survive and if its bad they go extinct. Its small variances on a singular level, that if helpful continue on due to that specific gene-pool having a better chance at survival. And as for not being proven because the process cannot be repeated, what about Dog breeding? There are several cases where breeders have taken wild dogs or even wolves and through the selection of ones with specific qualities that the breeder wants, within even 5 or 6 generations they can come out with a completely different breed of canine with physical attributes tailored to what the breeder wanted. There's your proof of evolution.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:28 p.m. CST

    You Go Too Far Stuntcock Mike...

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    :)

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:28 p.m. CST

    I meant Dinosuar, not Dinosaurs; though Dinosaur had Dinosaurs.

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:32 p.m. CST

    My bold prediction...

    by Alonzo Mosely

    Nobody will deliver a knock out blow, nobody will self-destruct. The 90 second format and the intensive cramming will help Palin, who will use her winsome charm and folksy 'I'm just a small town mom' ways to further charm the Republican base and infuriate Democrats.<p> Biden will be hampered slightly by the 90 second format, and will struggle to get all his points across, still his experience and knowledge on the issues will delight Democrats and piss off Republicans.<p> Both sides will claim victory. Fox News will determine Palin the clear winner. MSNBC will declare the debate a clear victory for Biden. Polls will suggest a tie. Nothing will change and on we go...

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:35 p.m. CST

    jzarbaugh has some "always destructive and degenerative" mutatio

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:38 p.m. CST

    jzarbaugh is too evolutionarily advanced for this talkback.

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Agent Johnson -- boyyyyy you crazy.

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Lets assume

    by dirtsandwich

    that the bible is true and that God created the heavens and the Earth, and man in his image. And that we will have the rapture, Armageddon...blah,blah blah. So what does this mean for an intelligent species on another planet somewhere in our galaxy? Are they left in the dark? Where's their Bible? If the same God created their world do they have their own version of what took place? Did God create them in his image too? What happens if their planet has a different make-up/mixture of elements and how much? They can't be like us. They will have to evolve according to their environment. The WHOLE concept of what the fuck happened is an egotistical, center of the universe, bullshit fantasy. Humans are seriously flawed in the brain department. Everything we do and say revolves around us and for the moment. There are humans on this planet that have never met anyone outside of their own tribe and culture. Never heard of Jesus, they worship their own things. Are they going to hell for it?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:42 p.m. CST

    jzarbaugh's seed will kill God. jzarbaugh! Forever! with nipples

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Of course they're going to hell

    by shut_the_fuck_up_Donnie

    Along with evey puppy and kitten in the world. They think they can just go around being cute and not have to go to church and repent. Ha! their day will come, then they'll See!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:45 p.m. CST

    jzarbaugh is the TROLL under this bridge.

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    I'm just his conscientious objector.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Leave it to loserguy to be an irate ass

    by IndustryKiller!

    Why don't you man up and defend your idiot of a vice presidential candidate instead of hitting the Republican talking points. Wow in his 30 some odd years in the senate joe Biden has had a few off color remarks? Considering none of them, in 30 years, come even close to the pathetic display Sarah Palin has managed to put on for us all after one month in the spotlight probably tells you something. Joe Biden is obviously, by anyones estimation, and incredibly intelligent guy of real character and there are far more instances of that than the opposite. Palin is a backwoods ignorant hick, and I can say that because I also come from a similar place and there are certain brands of stupid that just have no place in the public discourse and that is one of them. I dont care that she isnt experienced enough, I care that she isnt smart or informed enough. this is George W. bush part 2 here and its disgusting how Republicans keep piling these dangerous assholes on us all. <P> And if you dont like the political stories here then dont click on them. This is a site about art and people who love art and guess what, all that art is created by liberals, and as taxpaying citizens they have a God given right to speak their minds however they see fit, as they should when the country is going completely to Hell. So if you cant take it, fuck off.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:45 p.m. CST

    AP: McCain abandoning campaigning in Michigan

    by Pennsy

    I eff you not.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Here's the proof:

    by Pennsy

    http://tinyurl.com/4d5slz

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Gwen Ifill is a political journalist, morons

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    therefore if she writes about a major figure in her field they're pretty likely to belong to a political party. That's not bias, it's DOING HER JOB. Or maybe you'd be okay with it if she wrote a book about a Republican at the same time, nice and fair and balanced, right? Simpletons.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:48 p.m. CST

    I like McCain.............Fries that is.....

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    0% transfat yet somehow full of pork...?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Evolution = Sex. Creationism = Incest.

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    Lilith, now she was hot. She could make be forget about the fact of evolution.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:51 p.m. CST

    I would pay so much money for the chance...

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    ....to take a dump on John McCain's face. It would be fantastic.....and they could wash off my mess by waterboarding him clean.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:51 p.m. CST

    by DoctorWho?

    " It was set up to protect the authority of Hitler's power and thus the State by suppressing any and all dissent." And Bush is leaving office this year so I guess DHS reallydropped the ball. Unless of course you think he'll pull an Inagural Day coup with black helicopters gunning down people in the streets?<p> "It's not hard to imagine this organization slipping the way of the SS and becoming loyal to the President and not the people." That's quite a lot of imagining there. You're also assuming the worst possible intentions to countless people in those branches you listed above. They would all have to be spineless lap dogs to fall in line with such chaos.What about the other two branches of govt? would they just follow blindly?<p> But more to the point, I don't care how fucked up you think ANYTHING in this country is...comparisons to Hitler's Germany is Whack! Talk to me when were at least bulldozing emaciated corpses into mass graves. Dude.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Warwick Davis 2012!

    by just pillow talk

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 2:56 p.m. CST

    DoctorWho?

    by HoboCode

    I love your moronic logic Doc. I didn't say DHS was like Hitler's SS now did I? Hence the "slipping into" I mentioned. And the goal is to PREVENT the bulldozing of emaciating corpses into mass graves, asswipe. You want me to speak up after that happens? Talk about being a spineless lapdog. Excuse me if I take a cautionary attitude.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3 p.m. CST

    Why should Ifill have to ask? They approached her.

    by Novaman5000

    McCain should have done his fucking research. He agreed to her placement several weeks ago. Had he properly vetted her (something I'm beginning to wonder if he's even capable of in the first place) then he could have gotten someone new to be the moderator.<p> This is not Ifill being corrupt, it's McCain being incompetent.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Fair and balanced...

    by HulkSmashNow

    Wow, this post and these videos really show just how leveled and non-partisaned this website really is. Wait a minute, it's never been that way...

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Obama is KILLINH McCain

    by ShiftyEyedDog2

    <br><br>The national polls have Obama ahead by 5-7%, but if you look at the Electoral Map projections (you know the votes that COUNT) based on polls, Obama currently has 259, McCain only 163, and 116 are "toss-ups". That's a pretty thorough trashing! <br><Br>http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain <br><br>And check the trends, almost all the tossup states are moving more and more to Obama.<br><br>

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Obama is KILLING McCain

    by ShiftyEyedDog2

    <br><br>The national polls have Obama ahead by 5-7%, but if you look at the Electoral Map projections (you know the votes that COUNT) based on polls, Obama currently has 259, McCain only 163, and 116 are "toss-ups". That's a pretty thorough trashing! <br><Br>http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain <br><br>And check the trends, almost all the tossup states are moving more and more to Obama.<br><br>

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:12 p.m. CST

    DocWho:"would they just follow blindly?"

    by shut_the_fuck_up_Donnie

    Germany before the war was not a nation of retards, nor was it a dictatorship, Hitler was elected much like Bush. It wasn't because everyone else in the nation were retards or lapdogs that they followed Hitler, it was because he worked them up into such a fervorous sense of national pride and falsely made them feel that everything that occured was for the greater good of the country. That does sound familiar! I don't like to compare the current administration to Nazis but all I'm saying is that where the US is now in many ways is where Germany was a short time before the war.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:13 p.m. CST

    If his IQ is so high...

    by Samus Aran

    Why in the hell does he not know that FDR was not president at the breakout of the great depression, and that FDRs fireside chats were on the radio, not TV? I am as old as apparently Joe Biden has been a senator of the United States, and I have known that FDRs fireside chats were on the radio and during WWII for a very long time. <P> How is it possible that I knew more about american history than this guy? How? He represents america and I was just some kid. <P> And this is not the first senator who demonstrated an amazing ignorance of WWII, Obama had no idea that Soviets were the ones who liberated Auschwitz, how can a harvard graduate who now serves in the US Senate not know that? And how does someone with such a GIGANTIC gap in his knowledge of history presume to lecture ANYBODY on war? <P> And I have yet one more liberal senator who's knowledge of WWII is astonishingly bizzare to me. A few years ago Harry Reid said that we had been in Iraq longer than we had been in World War II. Astoundingly rediculous since that wasn't true on any level at the time. For one, we had been in Iraq for only about 3 years at the time when he said that while we were in WWII from December 1940 to Summer 1945 if I know my history right. Then the next point is that we had only been in war in Iraq for like two weeks, the rest has been occupation. And although I don't know exactly how long our occupations of Germany and Japan were, I know that they lasted for several years. Either way, Harry Reid didn't know what he was talking about. <P> How is it that United States senators don't know the most basic facts about World War II? Basic. Maybe since they believe that war should never be engaged in- they likewise refuse to study the history of war. <P> They put their hands over their ears and refuse to even acknowledge the fact that war EVER existed. I seriously don't know what is going on in the senate- but these are not trivial facts that they are unaware of. These are some of the major details about US history that US senators should know. <P> I don't know how Sarah Palin is going to fare against Joe Biden, but he is not a fountain of knowledge- this may not be as cut and dry as most liberals seem to think.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:15 p.m. CST

    This will be funny

    by Sithdan

    I gotta get my popcorn ready for this one tonight. Biden is going to wipe the floor with Palin's silicone. "I can see Russia from my HOOSE!" LOL LOL LOL

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Denny Crane and Alan Shore in '08!!!

    by Alifemde

    We need a massive write in!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:20 p.m. CST

    If Gwen Ifill had a book about McCain coming out

    by bismarckf

    (and that's a HUGE "if" -- like, "never") I would expect the Democrats would raise a hue and cry. AS THEY WOULD HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO DO. If Ifill is a conscientious journalist, then she'll see the apparent conflict of ethics and bow out.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:20 p.m. CST

    What kind of diversion will McCain pull tonight?

    by dirtsandwich

    He'll fake a heart attack at 8:45pm EST. He'll fake an assassination attempt. He'll hire some homeless person to drive a car bomb to the site of tonight's debate. He'll fake his own kidnapping and say it was a black dude. He'll have a dude beat his ass, looking all bruised and fucked saying it was an Obama supporter. He'll have Bush taken out.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:24 p.m. CST

    PS

    by Samus Aran

    People who compare Bush to Hitler seem to be demonstrating their lack of knowledge of history as well. <P> I think comparing Obama and his BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY to Hitler is far far more accurate. Hitler came to power by citing the greed and corruption of jews as the causes of the problems of the poor Germans. Now we have a canidate that at church blames the white devil (and according to black liberation theology ALL white people are devils- no exceptions) for the plight of the poor american people. Unfortunately for Barack he can't speak so plainly, and is fighting an uphill battle because his beef is with the majority population- but he does indeed have similar viewpoints. <P> If Bush launches a coup- NOBODY in this country would support him, and that includes the military. You are retarded if you think that is anything more than science fiction. We are having elections, and we are getting a new president, and I will support Barack Obama for a new president long long time before I support Bush to take over the country- that is freaking RETARDED- you conspiracy theorists. Yikes.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:26 p.m. CST

    WHEN Palin gets her ass kicked in this debate...

    by ShiftyEyedDog2

    <br><br>and that's WHEN, not if.... Republicans will immediately keep repeating the whole "Ifill is Pro-Obama" distraction, despite the fact that she will be offering NO commentary. ALL she will do as moderator is ask the questions - the SAME questions to both candidates. So there goes that excuse, losers.<br><br>

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:27 p.m. CST

    This just in

    by bismarckf

    Gwen Ifill cleared of ethics charges. http://tinyurl.com/3nlgqx

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Only a T-Rex can save Palin

    by DocManhattan

    It'd have to burst in out of nowhere Jurassic Park style and chomp down on Biden, while a 'When Dinosaurs Ruled The Earth' banner fell down across the stage... Mr. McCain, after careful consideration, I have decided NOT to endorse your running mate.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:29 p.m. CST

    DocManhattan

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Didn't you read the Dinobot/Palin theory. She fucking hates dinosaurs dude!!!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:30 p.m. CST

    Before you speak of science or theories...

    by Darth Macchio

    Please appraise yourself of the concept. I cannot speak intelligently on the precepts of Creationism or Intelligent Design other than what I've read but I've studied a variety of sciences extensively. To say that all mutations have only negative effects simply reveals that you have absolutely no idea what you are speaking of with respect to the theory of evolution, much less science.<p>From what I know of Intelligent Design, it is a very compelling *hypothesis* but ultimately does not lend itself to theoretical testing; it exists instead, in the realm of scientific conjecture and observation. Does that make it an invalid scientific hypothesis? Of course not, unless we allow human bias to color science which is the end of science if we do!.<p>But does that mean it is remotely a theory much less can stand shoulder to shoulder to the actual Theory of Evolution? Of course not, unless we allow that same human bias to not only deny hypothesis based on nothing more than opinion anymore than confirming theory on nothing more than opinion. But you wouldn't know that much less recognize it if your understanding of science, and how an observation becomes a hypothesis which in turn may become a theory if given some validity through independently repeatable experimentation, is colored through unscientific motivations or sheer bias.<p>One fundamental goal of science is to remove, or reduce to insignificance, the ever-present human error and tendency for human bias. This simply cannot occur if we redefine what, when, and how an observation skips over all experimentation and simply becomes a 'theory'. For a scientist to accept a valid hypothesis as a theory simply due to its compelling nature but without actual experimentation, undoes the entire scientific method making it impossible to even define the concepts with their now fluid definitions.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:30 p.m. CST

    Samus Aran

    by HoboCode

    Oh please. Obama didn't so much not know the Soviets liberated Auschwitz, as he did confuse Buchenwald with Auschwitz. That's a "GIGANTIC" gap in historical knowledge? Confusing two concentration camps from 60 years ago? Really?<p> And how you made the leap from that to claiming Senators don't believe war should ever be engaged is simply astounding. That is as moronic a claim as I've ever heard on this site.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Well when a T-Rex saves her ass

    by DocManhattan

    She'll be eating her words.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Samus Aran -- dude you are beyond lame.

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Why even bother coming back? You're fucking finished....old Grampy McSame is done!!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:35 p.m. CST

    bismarckf - I agree . . . if only reason had

    by Guy Gaduois

    a kerosene cat's chance in hell. A moderator with a vested interest in one side performing badly. Doesn't seem moderate at all, does it. <p> But you know, you can't reason with someone who doesn't see the surface conflict. Most folks take the "wait and see if she says anything biased". If you can't see the obvious conflict, you won't hear any problems, either - and that's a little bit of closing the barn door after the barbecue, isn't it? <p> There's so many sites that aren't supposed to be centered on political discussion having political discussion that I want to climb into a cave and not come out until March. <p> Lookie here - one party had the Oval Office for 8 years, another had it for 8 years, and the first guy (Clinton) is now reviled because he won't drink Obama flavored Kool Aid and the other guy from Texas is a world class fuck up. Grand total of 16 years of everyone having a chance at this thing and it's still jacked. So we'll go back and forth and want to kill each other for a bunch of lying whores who want nothing more than to gain, maintain and perpetuate their own personal power. They don't give a shit about us - why should we start crapping all over our sports' talk, our movie talk - our fucking escapist entertainment and ruin even our moments of respite with this continual line of assfaces. <p> We are operating outside of reason by ruining our escapism with all the political bullshit. Guys, we're only hurting ourselves: Neither Obama nor McCain would piss on any of us if we were on fire. It doesn't matter if Palin's got a freezerful of dead eskmoes or if Biden tells you he wrote the Magna Carta. They don't care about us, they only care about their power play and we're ruining the fun of yelling about movies and giving more time to these vermin. Stop the madness. <p> I feel like Chucky Heston at the end of 'Planet of the Apes' as I troll through these ruined talkbacks . . .

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Samas

    by shut_the_fuck_up_Donnie

    Just to clarify, I do not compare Bush to Hitler, I compared pre-war Germany to current USA. There is a big difference. I do not think Bush is at all disturbed or evil in the way Hitler was. I don't agree with him in most things he does, but I don't think he's actually EVIL. Secondly, if you really think Obama is of the "kill Whitey" mindframe, well, I don't what to say to that. That's just retarded. You really think he believes his mother is a devil?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Samus

    by HoboCode

    On your follow up. One slight flaw in your Obama/Hitler comparison. Aryans weren't the minority in Germany, the Jews were! I think that throws just a bit of wrench in that theory.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:38 p.m. CST

    HoboCode

    by Samus Aran

    well Buchenwald would also be a lie anyways, since his grandfather didn't liberate Buchenwald. <P> But no, I do not believe he mixed those two up. Auschwitz is far more well known than Buchenwald. That is like mixing up General Patton with General McAuliffe. Nobody could mix up Patton and McAuliff, nobody could mix up Buchenwald and Auschwitz. That was just something their campaign put up their to cover up his amazing ignorance. And at the time I was far less concerned with his lie and more concerned with his ignorance.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Bailout bill full of PORK

    by zooch

    And McCain voted for it! That's odd for someone who has actively campained AGAINST it.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:40 p.m. CST

    shut_the_fuck_up_Donnie

    by Samus Aran

    All I said was that Obama is in line with Black Liberation Theology since that is what his church is based on and does teach. If you are comfortable with him being in line with Black Liberation Theology then fine. I never said that Black Liberatin Theology teaches to "kill whitey", and in fact it does NOT. But it does teach that all white people are devils, and if barack goes to church to learn that- then I would say he believes all white people are devils.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Samus Aran -- you are a fucking freak dude.....

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    And you represent the Republicans well. You convince me that my hatred toward your way of thinking is justified. Thank you. <p> Hope you enjoy the next four years.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:43 p.m. CST

    HoboCode

    by Samus Aran

    You did not read my post right- I was pointing out that this was the big difference. In Germany Jews were the minority, and in United States, whites are the majority. I think I was clear on that. <P> Black liberation theology. Look it up- if you dont like what it teaches, then look how obvious Barack Obamas connection to that philosophy is- it doesnt take many lines to connect the dots- just the slightest bit of research. Almost no effort at all. I don't even have to direct you anywhere specific- it is all there.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Palin's Husband looks like a whipped lap dog.

    by Stuntcock Mike

    The guy has my respect though. She's a MILF but Christ, when she speaks, erections will fall. "Yeeeeaaa"

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:45 p.m. CST

    DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    by Samus Aran

    And what way of thinking of mine is it that you hate? specifically?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Has anyone noticed how much Palin looks like Harry Truman..?

    by workshed

    Take a look - you'll see what i mean.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Samus Aran

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    You spew lies to prove your point and you're a fear monger. <P> And you're the guy that said you'd be very interested to hear who Ben Netanyahu endorses right? You were pretty much saying you base your vote on whoever is better for Israel? Thats you-- right?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:48 p.m. CST

    QUESTION for Hobo and Donnie

    by DoctorWho?

    Name ONE of your personal rights or freedoms which you have been denied.<p> HOBO: Quote "Bush is the one that signed the PATRIOT Act and created the DHS which is akin to Nazi Gewmany's SS" AKIN: allied by nature; having the same properties.<p> "I love your moronic logic Doc. I didn't say DHS was like Hitler's SS now did I?" Um, yes you did. And you don't have to be a dick.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Samus Aran

    by HoboCode

    I meant his great uncle, Samus. And there is absolutely no proof that Obama's great uncle wasn't serving in the 89th Infantry when they liberated Buchenwald. NONE.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:48 p.m. CST

    white people a majority in america?

    by Bouncy X

    wow....we havent been a majority in canada since the early 90s...it must be nice.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:50 p.m. CST

    DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    by Samus Aran

    tell me one lie I just said?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Samas

    by shut_the_fuck_up_Donnie

    OK, if you want to "connect the dots" like you have with Obama, lets do it with John McCain: he has stated that he is Catholic. Catholic belief and teachings are based on the Bible, which states that slavery is OK, sacrificing of animals is expected, and menstruation is a sign of evil.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:52 p.m. CST

    I look forward to an Obama presidency

    by bismarckf

    And I'm not even voting for him. But I've been so tired over the past eight years of all the carping from Democrats about how Bush has screwed up the country. I say, hand the reins over to a Democrat to show us how THEY can fuck up the country.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:52 p.m. CST

    DoctorWho?

    by HoboCode

    Yes, akin, dumbfuck, not exactly like. Which I clarified in the statement below the one you didn't c&p.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Damn, I noticed the same thing Stuntcock

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    Everyone watch! Everytime she raises her hand too fast to wave at the crowd, he flinches and cowers his head down, making small wee-wee drops in his pants.<p> Damn, there is nothing sadder than an animal with its spirit broken.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Still waiting Hobo...

    by DoctorWho?

    Name ONE of your personal rights or freedoms which you have been denied under this brutal, repressive Patriot Act. <p> Just one.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:54 p.m. CST

    DoctorWho?

    by HoboCode

    I probably wouldn't know if my personal rights or freedoms were violated now would I? My phone could be tapped right now for all I know. It's not like they are going to broadcast that they are spying on the populace. And it's still wrong even if it isn't my own personal rights and freedoms being violated.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Doc

    by HoboCode

    And I alreayd provided an example above of others rights being violated by the PATRIOT Act. The illegal warrantless wiretaps conducted by the NSA.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:56 p.m. CST

    DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    by Samus Aran

    wow, I really don't care very much who Ben Netenyahu endorses. I honestly dont worry about Israel, it is not a major issue to me. But if I did care about Israel, why would that make me look bad? Are you honestly trashing on me for caring about the welfare of Israel? Again it is not something I hardly ever think about, but why would it be bad if I did care about Israel?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Palin is a dumb CUNT!

    by crackerfarmboy

    But this country is so fucking stupid and backwards her ticket will probably win anyways. Stupid Jesus loving, science hating, gun loving, war mongering, hate spreading, big business supporting backwoods shitheads.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:56 p.m. CST

    DoctorWho?

    by shut_the_fuck_up_Donnie

    Doc: "Name ONE of your personal rights or freedoms which you have been denied." Well, none of mine have because I live in Canada. I'm just fascinated with that clusterfuck of a political mess to the south. Seriously, I couldn't give a fuck about Canadian politics right now because everything's hunkey dorey, but I can't believe some of the stuff that's gone on south of the border in the last, oh, 8 years or so.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:57 p.m. CST

    DoctorWho?

    by Samus Aran

    Exactly, People are just imagining that the Patriot Act has had a negative impact on their lives. I don't know for sure if the Patriot act is good or bad, but I do know that my life is exactly the same as it has always been.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:58 p.m. CST

    ChittyChittyGangBang

    by Stuntcock Mike

    Too true. "I told you to SMILE, you worm! That's the strap-on for you when we get back to the hotel, Hubby!"

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 3:59 p.m. CST

    shut_the_fuck_up_Donnie

    by Samus Aran

    Are you drawing a comparison between Catholocism and Black Liberation Theololgy? Are they both equal offenders in your book?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 4 p.m. CST

    Becasuse blind support of Israel...

    by HoboCode

    puts the U.S. in the crosshairs of fundamentalists and terrorists. That's why you should care.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 4:02 p.m. CST

    In the Tank

    by ZooTrain

    As soon as I hear the phrases "in the tank" or "under the bus" I know you're a fucking moron that can't rub too original thoughts together.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 4:02 p.m. CST

    low expectations for Palin

    by zooch

    Seriously all she has to do is appear competent enough and she won't lose. THAT'S WHAT IT'S COME TO, it's insane.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 4:02 p.m. CST

    bismarckf

    by Samus Aran

    That is exactly how I feel. I almost want Obama to be president just so that the news media will stop telling everybody how bad the economy is (thus actually helping it to really become bad). If we have a president that the media likes, then the media will start telling us nice things about our country again, and that will have a positive psychological effect. Media decides our presidents, this is the world we live in. As someone who is mostly concerned with the tangible results, I just want a happy media that will allow us to also have happy lives.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 4:02 p.m. CST

    Samus

    by shut_the_fuck_up_Donnie

    Yeah, i agree, the limiting of personal freedoms is fine as long as you're not fully aware of it. Just like its OK if your girlfriend is fucking your brother as long as they keep it a secret from you. My god, man, are you one of those people who think that the end of 1984 is a happy one?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 4:04 p.m. CST

    HAHAHAHA

    by bismarckf

    "Thank goodness that in 3½ months George Bush will be on a bus back to Texas and our long national nightmare of suppression will be over, as President Obama ushers in a new era in which everyone's free speech rights are respected. (Does not apply to bigots, sexists, homophobes, Islamophobes, gun nuts, right-wing radio hosts, Fox News Channel or anyone who questions Barack Obama's patriotism.)" - James Taranto

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah Stuntcock

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    I can hear her on the phone calling him.<p> "You stay your ass right goddamn there in that hotel! I'm coming straight over there and I'm going fuck you in the ass! RIGHT IN THE ASS!!! Also you do not get to bite down on the stick this time and there is no safety word!!!"

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Samus - You're not fooling anyone any more.

    by mbeemer

    It's obvious you're a hack, or a troll.<p> It's also obvious that shut_the_fuck_up_Donnie was not comparing Catholocism and Black Liberation Theology, but the two arguments themselves. He was using his bad argument to illustrate how bad your argument was.<p> And that is perfectly clear to anyone interested in an honest discussion. You obviously aren't.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Stupid news media.

    by HoboCode

    How dare they report on the continuous failure of our financial institutions.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 4:05 p.m. CST

    HoboCode

    by Samus Aran

    Ok fine, anyway, I really never cared too much for what Ben Netenyahu thought. That is all I can say. I'm sorry I offended people so horribly by caring about the opinion of the former president of Israel- I can see now that you guys hate his guts. I don't know why, but again- I can't stress this enough- I REALLY DON'T CARE. I feel like I am Stan and Kyle explaining that over and over again during that one Okama Gamesphere episode. Shut UP I DONT CARE.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Samus

    by shut_the_fuck_up_Donnie

    "Are you drawing a comparison between Catholocism and Black Liberation Theololgy? Are they both equal offenders in your book?" Actually, Catholocism is a worse offender in my book due to the hundreds of thousands of deaths that can be attributed to it throughout history.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 4:06 p.m. CST

    vote

    by NudeandAroused

    More than anything else. More than any issue, please, if you consider yourself a patriotic and caring American, vote. Have a say, do something. Vote! It is the most patriotic thing any American do.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Nice try Hobo

    by DoctorWho?

    Recording phone calls between US the Middle East is hardly usurping your personal liberties<p> WHAT RIGHTS HAVE LOST AS A RESULT OF THE PATRIOT ACT?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Rights and liberties....

    by Darth Macchio

    Free speech zones. Warrantless wire-tapping, suspension of Habeus Corpus (right to a trial and to know what you are accused of, etc) and yes the rules allow the gov to process American citizens in the exact same way...not just foreigners. And all presidents from now own will have this right to claim anybody, foreign or domestic as an 'enemy combatant' and then you're simply done; no courts, no attorneys, no reason, no laws. Confiscation and intrusion of personal laptop computers with no warrant and no reason/suspicion from US citizens traveling abroad....new fancy airport x-ray machines that violate our privacy by basically seeing us naked (ok, privacy isn't a "right" per se but damn well should be). and the list goes on...<p>Doc, I'm sorry my friend but I must respectfully call you out on this notion of ignoring even a HINT of anybody in power taking away or 'curbing' our rights for any reason under any circumstance EVER. I think if a president you didn't agree with had that power that you might balk as well..I would hope you would anyway! So many of our "leaders" have either wanted to or actually attempted to take away our rights and those same rights, including the right to bear arms, are the only reason I consider the US government to be one of the greatest governments ever created by humanity. Our government granted rights (some of which are indeed 'self-evident') is EXACTLY what makes us fortunate to live here and to dismiss even a hint that some asshole might want to take them away, as they get in the way of individual demagoguery, is more than I can stomach. To take your eye off that most precious of concepts is a dereliction of your citizenship, in my respectful opinion.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 4:11 p.m. CST

    DoctorWho?

    by HoboCode

    Jesus. It is if it's for legitimate reasons, Doc! And I've already answered your question with an "I don't know." What else do you want me to say?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 4:11 p.m. CST

    mbeemer

    by Samus Aran

    no he was in fact comparing the two. He said that McCain should be associated with Catholocism as much as Obama should be associated with Black Liberation Theology. I say fine- go ahead and associate them both. I don't see any problem with being catholic. I do see a problem with being a black liberation theologist or whatever you want to call it. I am not being a troll, I am asking people to pay attention to the philosophies of our canidates. Perhaps you noticed that I am white, and I don't want a president who is fine with being preached to about how ALL white people are the devil. <P> People either don't think it is possible that Obama might think that, and so they don't even bother looking into it, or they don't think there is anything wrong with that. <P> I don't want people to vote for Obama without understanding this aspect of his character. I don't think there are a lot of black people who have this same belief system- but Barack Obama really seems to. Tell me where I am lying.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 4:14 p.m. CST

    shut_the_fuck_up_Donnie

    by Samus Aran

    Well that is a very extreme point of view, and I am sure there are Catholics reading your post who would take issue with you on that. All I can say is, give Black Liberation Theology it's chance. They base their beliefs on very doubius principles and "truths" so I am sure that given the power and lifespan of the catholic church they would provide you a very interesting historical performance as well.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 4:24 p.m. CST

    ChittyChittyGangBang

    by Stuntcock Mike

    The safety word is ......Obama.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Black Liberation Theology

    by Samus Aran

    Here is an excerpt from Wikipedia for those of you who refuse to look into it. This is from the criticism section of that article... <P> Theologians such as theology scholar Dr. Robert A. Morley take a dim view of black theology. Morley's paper "The Goals Of Black Liberal Theology" is one widely quoted paper citing specific criticisms of black theology. <P> He states that black theology turns religion into sociology, and Jesus into a black Marxist rebel. While making statements against whites and Asians, it promotes a poor self-image among blacks, and describes the black man as a helpless victim of forces and people beyond his control. Black theology calls for political liberation instead of spiritual salvation. <P> Fundamentally, it is not Bible-based, Christ-honoring theology from this critical viewpoint. Anthony Bradley of the Christian Post interprets that the language of "economic parity" and references to "mal-distribution" as nothing more than channeling the views of Karl Marx. <P> He believes James Cone and Cornel West have worked to incorporate Marxist thought into the black church, forming an ethical framework predicated on a system of oppressor class versus a victim much like Marxism. <P> Stanley Kurtz of the National Review criticizes black liberation theology, saying, "A scarcely concealed, Marxist-inspired indictment of American capitalism pervades contemporary 'black-liberation theology'...The black intellectual's goal, says Cone, is to "aid in the destruction of America as he knows it." Such destruction requires both black anger and white guilt. The black-power theologian's goal is to tell the story of American oppression so powerfully and precisely that white men will "tremble, curse, and go mad, because they will be drenched with the filth of their evil."

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 4:30 p.m. CST

    I'm with you Darth Macchio

    by DoctorWho?

    Thanks for the great post<p> But until I see some evidence of the civllian population being subjegated as such I'm not going to rage about it. <p> I know it's possible I could go into the woods and get killed by a Grizzly bear too. It's quite possible. But I won't spend my time wringing my hands over it. I despise hysteria of this sort and should these things manifest I will be the first one to raise hell.<p> These things didn't arise in a vaccuum. 9/11 spawned much of this and with good intentions. There is always an ebb and flow with these things. We locked up Japanese citizens during WWII...we didn't cling to that bright idea very long did we?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Homocde

    by BackRiverCatfish

    Bin Laden was more pissed about us being in Saudi Arabia.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Samus

    by shut_the_fuck_up_Donnie

    Acutually, I'm Catholic. At least I was born and raised Catholic. And I was fine with it until I got out in the world, started learning some world history, started paying attention to world politics that I realized that the Catholic Church on a worldwide stage was doing more harm than good and going against the basic teachings of Jesus I learned as a child. Things in history like the hundreds of thousands of women burned to death because they showed signs of intelligence behond what was expected of women and therefore must be witches, the refusal even to this day to help stop the spread of AIDS in Africa by banning condoms, the crusades, the constant attempts to ensure homosexuals are not given the same rights as the rest of us, and the preying upon the weak and destitute to take their money "for God". By no means does every church take part in any one of these things and there are many many decent human beings doing good work in the name of Christianity out there, but the amount of bad extremely outweighs the good on a world scale when it comes to Christianity. Christianity in principle is great, its the people who abuse and manipulate for their own needs or discriminations that bothers me and why I have distanced myself from my catholic background.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 4:32 p.m. CST

    debate

    by JDOSIRIS2

    biden is an ass. bought and paid for by washington insiders. obama is in fannie and freddies back pocket. evolution is a theory. creationism is a belief. they can not be compared to each other. Stone's W looks like a piece of shit. That being said I cant wait for Watchmen. Peace out you bitches.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Samus Aran -- oh its not Bible based?

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Thank God....I fucking hate Bible based horse shit. And Obama is associated with this because.....why? Oh thats right-- Rev. Wright, eh? Thats all you got. Fuck off you cowardly little puke. <p>I'm talking to you Samus. You are a delusional twat. You spread all your right wing propaganda horse shit to defend the cancerous toxic scum that is McCain. You should be ashamed of yourself.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Ben Franklin said

    by crazybubba

    "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." I would love to see Bush take a test on WWII or even Palin now that i think about it. I'd put Biden's expertise on the era up against anyone conservative senators. Some of these talkbalkers are yappin about black liberation theology as if they are experts are on it when i'm sure they've never studied anything about it at all. Name one source other than Rush Limbaugh that says ALL black liberation theology preaches hatred of the whiteman. Please point out as many black liberation theologists as you can who actually preach this and when they said this.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Doctor Who?: <crickets chirping>

    by Le Vicious Fishus

    Darth M, nice synopsis of how our civil liberties have been damaged by the fuckheads in control of this country (and, incidentally, I include many spineless dems for their participation as well).

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Black Liberation Theology -- pathetic desperation

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    ...on the side of the Republicans. This is absolutely all they have to cling onto. McCain is finished. He knows this. We know this. The cancerous growth eating away at his face knows this.....

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 4:48 p.m. CST

    excommunicated

    by jsm1978

    When did I say anything about abiogenesis? I never said anything about spontaneous origins of life. The only thing in that regard I talked about was mutations.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 4:50 p.m. CST

    shut_the_fuck_up_Donnie

    by Samus Aran

    If you no longer follow Catholic teachings then you are not a catholic. I myself am also not a Catholic and I don't feel like arguing about Catholocism. I am simply asking you to learn what is going on with the church that Barack Obama attends (well he did attend it until he conveniently left it as soon as he decided to run for president- showing that he knew just how inflamatory his attendance was in the first place). For all intents and purposes he STILL subscribes to black liberation theology, and because of that we should know what that means. <P> We already know what it means to be catholic. So if that is a major point against a canidate to be one in your book then fine. For those of you who dont get mad about someone being catholic, please now learn what Barack Obama believes. <P> I go to church, and since I do that, I know how much of an effort it is to do that. I then also know that it is highly unlikely that Barack Obama does not fully understand and then believe in the basic teachings of his church. <P> Barack's church has a HEAVY political agenda- and as such it is obvious that his church is deeply desirous for his election into the powerful presidential office. I don't know what he can do with that power to aid in his church's goals, but I do believe he will do whatever he can to aid them. His church has some very extreme political goals that are not good for americans, and this is what concerns me. Marxism, Racial Segregation, and the political goals of Malcolm X are all in Trinity United Church's to do list. Tell me why this doesn't concern people. <P> None of you Obama supporters have known Obama any longer than the time he has been running for office. Your first exposure to him was when he recited some very moving platitudes at the DNC in 2004. I don't see any evidence that liberals in general care to look at Barack Obama's past, and to analyze his deep beliefs. Of course looking at his past and his associations in THE PAST are the ONLY way to understand who he is as a person. But most people only pay attention to his behavior during his campaign- as if that is the true window into a person's soul. <P> Please people, don't be so foolish. We are getting really close to this election and most people voting for Barack Obama don't know anything about Black Liberation Theology. I don't know what he is going to be able to do when he gets in office, but I doubt it would be a good idea to elect him. <P> Please choose the lesser of two evils in this case.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 4:50 p.m. CST

    shut up donnie

    by jsm1978

    That is artificial selection, which mirrors natural selection. Did you start with a canine? Yes. Did you end with a canine? Yes.<p> Get back to me when someone starts out by breeding a dog and winds up with a whale or a horse.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 4:57 p.m. CST

    DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    by Samus Aran

    He went to the church RELIGIOUSLY for 20 years. That isn't enough connection. I don't give a damn if his church is bible based or not- how retarded of you to think that part is what matters. How about the deep connection to marxism- the destruction of america as we know it, and the white man will tremble and go mad for the filth of their own evil. <P> Here is a quote from James Cone's Book "Black Theology and Black Power" pg 39-41 which Jeremiah Wright cites as inspiration for his church- <P> "Theologically, Malcolm X was not far wrong when he called the white man "the devil." <P> Do you understand that Malcolm X religiously believed that ALL white people were devils- no exceptions. Not just some- you, if you are white. If you feel that is true, then there is no arguing against you on this. But if you feel that is not true, then please take care not to rush into electing Barack Obama. His church is based on THESE principles of belief.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Samus

    by wash

    You bring up good points, but you're being VERY disengenuous here. Lay off the handpicked talking points for a second. Frankly I think people care more about who knows more about current events and world conditions. You know, stuff like Hamas, Sunnis and Shia, Supremer Court stuff, etc.<br><br> Biden would kick Palin AND McCain's ass in a open and unrestricted foreign policy debate.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5 p.m. CST

    The McCain camp is getting desperate..

    by crazybubba

    the tide has turned and the nation is no longer enamored of Sarah Palin. McCain lost the last debate on foreign policy which was supposed to be his biggest strength in the race. America is preoccupied with the economy now, and most Americans have more faith in Obama on this issue than they do McCain. So how do the conservative bloggers respond? Smear tactics. Let's smear Obama because of his name. Let's rehash the past, because we don't have a leg left to stand on.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Supreme*

    by wash

    yeah yeah

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:02 p.m. CST

    DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    by Samus Aran

    Pathetic denial. Truly amazing how you refuse to pay attention. <P> I now see why none of these facts have had any impact on people like you. It is just simply a rigid maintainance of ignorance. <P> It is really true, Liberalism IS a religion. No facts that I present have ANY effect on you, because I am arguing against your deep faith. And faith can never be swayed, faith in liberal gospel. <P> But you have not told me ONE lie that I have told, you just simply ignore it. <P> You are a true zealot.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Samus Aran....wikipedia???

    by bacci40

    palin is an evangelical...she believes in the end times...she has an israeli flag in her office...now why would that be? well, because all evangelicals have the israeli flag somewhere, because they believe that israel will be the center of the great conflaguration that will bring back jesus...she thinks she has been chosen by god to do that...and if she gets into that president's chair, its gonna be like the dream sequence from dead zone...you dont believe me? why dont you google israeli flag and evangelicals...you are so afraid of black people, it is sick...think obama will reinstitute slavery for white people and you will have to call him massa and fetch his slippers? that might be a step up for you....FETCH MY SLIPPPERS....BOY

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:06 p.m. CST

    wash

    by DoctorWho?

    Biden has been wrong his whole career on the foreign relations committee. He wanted to partician Iraq into 3 equal parts under a weak central govt. It would have been a blood bath. <p> He voted against the first Gulf War which everyone from Bill Clinton to Al Gore thought was the right move. And he voted against the surge.<p> The guy just has bad judgement. Meeting lots of world leaders doesn't make your judgement better. Nice guy though.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:09 p.m. CST

    About that"sucking each other's dicks" line

    by Stalkeye

    It came from Pulp Fiction in which Wolf (Harvey Keitel)assited Vincent and Jules with getting rid of the bloody "evidence" in Jules car.(The Bonnie Situation chapter)<p>I just lovvvve Movie trivia.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:10 p.m. CST

    hmmm.. who to vote for... here's a thought!

    by richievanderlow

    First of all, each man & woman's choice is their own, and I don't think many of us will change anyone's mind.. sounds like we've mostly made up our mind. But no one has mentioned homeland security. When the terrorists return to attack us on our own soil, and they will, they are waiting for a soft commander-in-chief like Obama, who wants to abandon our effort in Iraq, where Al Qaeda has some operations now. As soon as we let our guard down, they'll return. I'd rather have McCain calling the shots when that happens.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:10 p.m. CST

    wash

    by Samus Aran

    thank you for at least listening to what I have to say, and acknowledging it. <P> But how am I being disengenuous? <P> This issue is the second biggest gripe I have with Barack Obama- I genuinely feel this is a major issue. In that case, how can I be disengenuous on this? <P> My main gripe is what Barack Obama said in his debate against Hillary when asked about his intention to raise the capitol gains tax from 15% to 28% even though the facts showed that revenues increased as taxes came lower. I have no vested interest in this since I am not a stock holder. My main concern is that I translate the power of the stock market almost directly to the power of the economy, and as a human being who depends on the US economy, I care greatly if his tax plans will help or hurt the economy on which my life is so dependant. <P> There is nothing disengenuous about my concerns about Barack Obama. I believe that he will make my life harder than McCain will. If you are in the same boat as me, (and most likely you are), then your welfare is in jeopardy as well. You should be looking out for number one, as should ALL voters.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Make them take acid first...

    by yomomma

    That would be entertaining. Who watches this crap anyway? No real questions will be asked or answered because they don't want to make it too obvious that neither side really gives a fuck about their constituents, they just wants to be in power so they can control the money-hose while pointing fingers at the other totally corrupt and incompetant party and pretend they're not really cooperating in driving this once fine nation into the ground so that their donors can continue to destroy the middle class and steal the riches of the nation. Screw this noise, I'm voting Green.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Open Question to Catholics: Dinosaurs

    by shut_the_fuck_up_Donnie

    I haven't gone to church for a while so maybe someone can answer this for me, just out of curiosity: Is the official Catholic stance on Dinosaurs that they did in fact exist but only for a couple hundred years before Jesus was born? It seemed a while ago that Dinosaurs were a hoax in Catholic eyes, has that officially changed to acceptance? Did the Pope have to actually give some sort of decree or speech on the topic? Or is it still some sort of grey area that each Catholic kindof finds his own explanation for?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Samus Aran...the fireside chats

    by bacci40

    started well before ww2...they started almost as soon as roosevelt took office...and he did go on radio the day after the crash, to talk to the citizens of ny....so you still dont know shit

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Samus Aran...the fireside chats

    by bacci40

    started well before ww2...they started almost as soon as roosevelt took office...and he did go on radio the day after the crash, to talk to the citizens of ny....so you still dont know shit

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Wash - YOU pay the taxes

    by yomomma

    ...That those rich fucks avoid with the lowered capital gains tax. It was higher during the Clinton years, and guess what, the economy was in much better shape. Next time some rich asshole tells you that giving him more money and letting him pay less taxes is going to somehow make you better off, try looking up "gullible" in the dictionary.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:15 p.m. CST

    bacci40

    by Samus Aran

    Don't you even accuse me of being afraid of black people. How dare you. I haven't said anything that supports that. <P> I am afraid of a particular person that truly seems to have hidden racism because of his church and associations. <P> I would be equally against a canidate who had equally huge connections to such potent racism against blacks. <P> Dude, you are way out of line accusing me of that. <P> I am not going avoid pointing all these details out just because I might get criticized by people like you the way you just did. You are a coward. A true TOOL.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:18 p.m. CST

    bacci40 "Fireside Chats"

    by Samus Aran

    Oh, so are you saying that Biden knew what he was talking about?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:23 p.m. CST

    yomamma

    by richievanderlow

    If you think Clinton was responsible for the economy being good, you're crazy. The economy has been just as strong, if not stronger, during the heart of the Bush years, until the past year or so. The economy is cyclical and has very little to do with the presidential or congressional admistrations.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:23 p.m. CST

    This Is Going To Be The Comedy Hit Of The Decade: BIDEN PWNING P

    by LaserPants

    Tonight, oh my brothers, is when the Retard Nazi Xtian MILF goes down in flames, HILARIOUSLY. Can't wait!!!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:24 p.m. CST

    bacci40

    by Krigan

    Thats quite a stretch there. I bet you believe we faked the moon landings, am I correct? So Palin has strong religous beliefs. Obama does'nt? he spent years, over 500 visits to a church with a pastor that hates jews, whites and says the USA deserved 9/11. No thanks, I will take my chances with the girl that believes in creation over the guy thats extreme left wing and hates Jews, whites and the USA. Lets also not forget shes running for VP and hes running for President.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:26 p.m. CST

    anchorite

    by Samus Aran

    Dead Freakin' ON!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Anchorite, Are Your Out Of Your Mind?

    by LaserPants

    Don't bother asking, its a rhetorical question -- like when Palin asked if she could ban books from libraries for Jebus. That said, where in the name of high holy fuck did Obama EVER say anything even remotely racist? NOWHERE. You're fucking insane. Luckily, you and your ilk are in the ever-shrinking minority as the scales of fit tip ever more strongly in favor of Obama. Hope you can deal with a black man as President. We all know how you feel about "those people."

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Samus - do you have any idea how motarded you sound?

    by toadkillerdog

    So, according to your brilliant deduction, Obama hates whites. That would include his mother. And most of his close friends and advisors. He would have had to be the worlds greatest actor as well, to fool so many people - especialy those whom he relies on the heaviest in his campaign. But lets say you are right, he hates whites, and he gets in. What are you afraid he will do? Last time I checked a President can not pass legislation on his own. So he would need the consent of the mostly lily white congress. That also includes federal appointees. So, let me get this straight, you are broadly implying that Obama hates white people. Yet the only way he could govern is with the consent of the white congress and the white majority in the country - who would be looking out for the slightest hint of favoritism to blacks or minorities, no matter how benign. <p> Samus, you are a moron.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Obama is an old fashion

    by Krigan

    Snake oil Salesman & You are all his suckers.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:30 p.m. CST

    jsm1978

    by shut_the_fuck_up_Donnie

    "That is artificial selection, which mirrors natural selection. Did you start with a canine? Yes. Did you end with a canine? Yes. Get back to me when someone starts out by breeding a dog and winds up with a whale or a horse." So, jsm, if you admit that going from one type of CANINE to another is possible, so you must also admit that going from one PRIMATE to another is possible (this includes homosapiens). So then do I take it that you admit evolution within a specific Order (be it Primate or Canine) but not between them?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Assholes, The PASTOR Said That Stuff, NOT OBAMA

    by LaserPants

    And when he was faced with these comments, Obama officially decried the man and left his church. NOW, on the other hand, McCain is well acquainted with an ultra-rightwing, ultra-racist, homophobic, fundie-freak pastor AND STILL GOES TO HIS CHURCH and NEVER made an official against him. <br><br> Let me guess why this doesn't bother you neocon freaks?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:32 p.m. CST

    Biden is no brainiac

    by toadkillerdog

    And he is subject to some horrible gaffes and outright lies.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:32 p.m. CST

    ANGRY MIKE

    by Six Demon Bag

    Palin is the definition of ignorance

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:34 p.m. CST

    richievanderlow

    by yomomma

    ...Except when an administration is so corrupt and morally bankrupt that they repeal almost all regulation, and wage class warfare to a point that our economy becomes so imbalanced that it collapses. Happened with Hoover, happened with Bush. Here's a clue: you take away all the money from the middle class and make them pay all the taxes and do your best to make sure that the standard of living for most of the nation decreases, and guess what? The average citizen loses the ability to keep buying worthless crap, and our consumer based economy comes apart at the seams. I hate Clinton, but at least he wasn't totally short sighted. He DID start us down this path, but it was the GOP's recent contempt for non-millionaires that is tearing our economy to shreds.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:34 p.m. CST

    And MCSAME's UltraRightWingNut Racist Homophobe Priest / Witch D

    by LaserPants

    How come nobody is up in arms about that? And how come the so-called "liberal media" never went after him with the same kind of gusto? Because the liberal media DOESN'T EXIST, or at the very least, is only as "liberal" as the conservative billionaires that own and run it.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Laserpants LOL

    by Krigan

    He went to the church for many years and even let the racist marry him after his 911 comments. He only left the church when he was forced to a few months ago. He was in danger of losing the nomination over it. Also I think you are full of it over this mccain pastor stuff link please? i would be glad to provide you with rev right links. Provide a link or STFU.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Agent Johson

    by richievanderlow

    You made me think of something, but it doesn't really apply to you, because you have educated yourself. I think people that are not educated on the candidates should not go vote for the sake of voting. I'm so tired of hearing you have to vote... you don't.. and if you don't know where the candidates truly stand, you shouldn't vote at all.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:38 p.m. CST

    Gwen Ifill

    by bismarckf

    "The host of PBS' 'Washington Week' and senior correspondent on 'The NewsHour' said she did not tell the Commission on Presidential Debates about the book." So much for conscientious journalism... :\ http://tinyurl.com/4xtvfa

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:38 p.m. CST

    Laserpants LOL

    by Krigan

    So Ted Turner is a Liberal according to you? Most of the owners are liberal and so are most of the reporters. Talk about clueless.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:40 p.m. CST

    toadkillerdog

    by Samus Aran

    No you are talking like a moron now. You seem to assume that it is impossible that he hates whites. <P> Why again is it impossible? What evidence do you have that he doesn't? Because his grandparents are white? Because he has to work around white people to get elected? <P> Yes I am saying that he may very well be an actor, and not a very good one at that. He doesn't really even seem to like white people that much anyway. He's not doing a superb acting job. But yes, I am most definately calling him an actor. And it doesnt take an amazing actor to pull off the performance he has been offering us for the last couple years. Big deal, he is trying to atain the presidency. Why wouldn't he be willing to act his heart out for a while? <P> Yes indeed I am implying that as a possibility. And the evidence in his past STRONGLY supports my theory. <P> I have seen no evidence that he has strong regard for his white grandparents anyway. He wrecklessly accused his grandmother of being a racist citing a story of when she didnt want to go to the bus stop where she was continually being harrased by a black vagrant. Where is the evidence that he holds his grandparents in high regard? Where is the evidence that he has ANY positive feelings towards white people? <P> I don't know why you think it is impossible for a black man to hate white people.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:41 p.m. CST

    ted turner

    by Krigan

    correction:So Ted Turner is not a Liberal according to you?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:41 p.m. CST

    Yomamma

    by richievanderlow

    That's not true. The economy is in the shambles because of socialist types of programs built into the loans that Freddie and Fannie were REQUIRED to make to low income applicants. It started in the Carter administration, and was reinforced in the Clinton Administration. These should have been repealed, but weren't, and now these entities crashed as predicted by many economists. Also, the rich do pay more taxes, not the middle class... but they are taxed at comparable rates. You tax the rich, the little guy still pays because they control goods and services and that costs get passed down. Don't believe the hype.. everybody's taxes are going up.

  • Before the Debate has even BEGUN.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Voting McCain/Palin... really?

    by ebonic_plague

    I still can't imagine there are still people so monumentally naive that they would actually support this farce. Einstein was right when he said the limits of human stupidity are infinite.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:47 p.m. CST

    ebonic plague

    by richievanderlow

    That's nice. Calling people stupid because they don't agree with you. Not everyone stands in your shoes, and feels as you do about the issues. Are you that much of an elitist that everyone who doesn't agree with you is stupid? That's naive.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Republicans

    by yomomma

    Own most of the wealth, and run the government (in spite of, or with the help of the puny Democrats), and have run everything for years. Where do you assholes get off complaining about a bias against you? Have you paid attention to anything Bush and Co. have been doing for the last 8 years? There were political litmus tests for just about every government job. It makes me ill when you rich, white, ignorant dipshits complain about how rough you have it. We'll all bend over so you can stick it in a little deeper if it will keep your mascara from running.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:51 p.m. CST

    Don't make me debunk the far-right CRA talking point

    by G100

    The CRA wasn't responisble for the glut of subprime mortgages the GREED of those who made a FORTUNE was. And the CRO only oversaw a FRACTION of the total of sub-prime and oter bad debts.<p> <p>And when did the CRO force all the Banks and Corporations to take out the shit securities that infect the Economy like a Cancer ?<p> <p>Not even McCain is crazy enough to try and Blame the CRA. It's a desperate last gasp attempt at a distraction for those on the far right who would rather blame poor people or anyone else rather than the greed of those on Wall Street or the incompetent deregulation presided over by Bush.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:52 p.m. CST

    yomamma

    by richievanderlow

    I would agree that Bush has outlived his usefulness, but that doesn't that doesn't mean a new republican president will do the same things. The notion that McCain would be four more years of George Bush is the craziest notion I've ever heard. It would be phenomenally better.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Biden right after 9/11

    by simndermot

    Didn't he want to give Iran $200 million right after 9/11, no strings attached? So much for his foreign policy expertise.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:53 p.m. CST

    richievanderlow - stupid is as stupid does

    by yomomma

    Some people just call it as they see it. If that makes everyone in the nation with a triple digit IQ 'elitist' then I hope they finally get back in power and put you salt of the earth types in institutions where we can keep you from hurting yourselves with sharp objects. Maybe if you could put together a coherent argument that wasn't directly regurgitated from some right-wing blowhole with too much money and a microphone, or disagreed on ANY of the scandalous nonsense that sprays out of our GOP politicians, we'd respect your IQ's a little bit more. As it is, I think you're a bunch of pod-people who lack the ability to form an opinion of your own due to childhood trauma or perhaps genetic damage, so you try to boost your self esteem by believing the utter horseshit the rich feeds you so they can steal your money. Eat it with a smile, dum-dum!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:53 p.m. CST

    Samus - you are a complete nitwit

    by toadkillerdog

    I thought better of you at one time, but not anymore. Disliking Obama on the issues is fine. Becoming irrational to the point of stupidity, is a kettle of different colored fish entirely.<p> I suppose Oprah hates white people too - she was a member of that church as well.<p> And I was being sarcastic, because I do not think that church espouses hatred of whites as much as it espouses self-reliance. Sure some blacks hates whites. Some whites hate blacks, Some Koreans hates Japanese.<p>I asked you what you were afraid of if a Black man - a lone black man, came to power - with a mostly white congress. Apparently you can not answer that.<p>

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:54 p.m. CST

    toadkillerdog

    by Samus Aran

    If there truly was a black canidate who had strong anger and even hatred against white people, how would that look different than Obama's presidency- this is hypothetical. <P> Are you imagining him saying racist stuff in front of camera's? Are you picturing him only surrounded by a black entourage like Malcolm X? Do you think that his campaign promises would be loaded with ideas like creating a seperate black nation? <P> Now you asked me a valid question. What do I think he is going to be able to do against white people? I already said before, I think he is going to be able to do very very little. I don't think presidents are supremely powerful, thank god for the balance that congress and the judicial branch offer. I am not suggesting he will be capable of initiating a monumental effort to further the Black Liberation Theology agenda. <P> I am just saying, it is not a good idea. If he has as radical philosophies as I am saying he does, and we elect him, and he doesnt have the power to do any harm- then we might as well literally elect anyone, because ANYONE would be equally harmless. What exactly was your point when you pointed out that he would never have the power to do horrible things? Why elect such a guy in the first place?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Yomamma

    by richievanderlow

    WOW. Delusion is the first sign.. might want to check yourself into a facility before your ego causes your head to explode.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:58 p.m. CST

    toadkillerdog

    by Krigan

    i am afraid of Obama. I am afraid he will raise my taxes which he has promised to do. I am also afraid of the effect his bigger government, higher taxes and weaker military will have on the economy and the world.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 5:58 p.m. CST

    toadkillerdog

    by Samus Aran

    Oprah. She might. Why is that so impossible to imagine? <P> The Church teaches that ALL white people are the Devil. The people who go to that church do NOT find that inappropriate.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6 p.m. CST

    Richievanderlow

    by ebonic_plague

    Well, yes, if you support McCain/Palin, you are most likely stupid or have some other kind of problem that impedes you from thinking clearly. I thought I made that pretty clear. Although I suppose stupidity isn't the *only* answer... greed, racism, and insanity could be other factors involved in the decision to vote republican. I have no patience for sugar coating the obvious to prevent hurt feelings on the part of talkback dipshits. It's "No Sympathy" night. It's "You're Wrong" night.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6 p.m. CST

    Krigan: You make over $250,000 a year?

    by mbeemer

    What are you doing here? You should be doing blow or a call girl with that kind of income!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:02 p.m. CST

    Samus Aran

    by richievanderlow

    If that's true.. thats sad. It sounds all too familiar... like the way the 9/11 terrorists view the western world. We're all evil. Glad to see tolerance is alive and well in our nation's churches.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:06 p.m. CST

    toadkillerdog

    by Samus Aran

    I'm sorry you lost respect for me. I know I am offering a very dramatic argument. But I have offered this argument before. Perhaps just not with so much vigor. <P> For a while I kind of forgot how scary this Black Liberation Theology was. But then I got on youtube recently, and I listened to an interview with Malik Zulu Shabazz with Jon Gibson in which Malik said that Barack is definately pretending to not agree with his church for the time he is doing his campaigning, and Malik said that Barack and Farakahn are definately closely connected. Does this not alarm you? <P> Malik Zulu Shabazz is a CLOSE friend of Louis Farakahn, and a strong supporter of Barack Obama of course. Associating Obama with Farakahn can ONLY hurt Obama's campaign. But Malik is like Jack Nicholson in "A Few Good Men", he is too proud to deny the truth because it makes him sick to have to deny what he believes in. <P> But then again, the more I watch what is going on, the more I realize that even if Louis Farakahn was actively participating in Barack Obama's campaign side by side- most democrats wouldnt care. Louis Farakahn has been staying back to avoid hurting Obama, but he might as well just go ahead and drop the charade- Democrats simply DON'T care. simple as that.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:06 p.m. CST

    ebonic plague

    by richievanderlow

    You guys and your egos. I'm sorry you have such low tolerance for people who don't agree with you. Doesn't the liberal left preach tolerance and acceptance for all colors / races / sexual orientations? So how are you a liberal if you can't accept someone who feels differently than you? I'll pray for you and your higher taxes next year :)

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:07 p.m. CST

    I'm sure this has been posted somewhere, but...

    by Novaman5000

    I'm playing Palin Bingo tonight!<p> www.palinbingo.com

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:08 p.m. CST

    Krigan

    by toadkillerdog

    I have reservations about Obama, but he is not stupid, nor can he act on his own. It takes working with congress for any legislation to pass. In these economic times, it would be political suicide for any congressman or President to expand gov't programs - which is why taxes would be increased. Also, he has said time and time again, that 95% of Americans get a tax CUT. <p> As for the military, I am a former Marine, and I would never support any weakening of our military. But I do not support sending men and women into harms way for nebuloous geopolitical purposes either.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:08 p.m. CST

    Oprah

    by Samus Aran

    Is it because she is a celebrity that it is impossible to believe that she might hate white people? <P> I believe Michael Richards hates black people even though I watched him on Seinfeld (and still do) for so many years. Celebrities can be racists just as well as anyone else. That is not absurd.

  • And thinks Hurricane Katrina was Gods punishment for a "sinfull New Orleans ?<p> <p>Because that's what Batshit Insane Pastor Hagee thinks and he Endorsed McCain publibly and with warm appreciation from McCain.<p> <p>Yeah, lets all worry that McCain secretly harbours the identical views of John Hagee like...<p> <p>The Catholic Chuch is the "whore of Babylon" and a "Theology of hate", called literature such as J. K. Rowling's Harry Potter contemporary witchcraft, and of course said "I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God, and they were recipients of the judgment of God for that."<p> <p>Despite ALL this and after weeks of it being pointed out that Hagee was Batshit crazy McCain STILL didn't reject his endorsement instead McCain said that it was "probably a mistake" to court and accept Hagee's endorsement, although he was still glad to have it.<p> <p>Only AFTER it came to light that Hagee had said Hitler had been sent by God to hint Jews & God sent Hitler to cause the Holocaust did McCain finally realise he had sought out and been endorsed by a babbling loon.<p> <p>And if that example of "good judgement" wasn't enough his SECOND endorsement by a Religious Right extremist was also eventually rejected when he realised that depite having called Pastor Parsley a "spiritual guide" he simply couldn't live with Parsley's hate speech.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:09 p.m. CST

    mbeemer LOL

    by Krigan

    That is funny sincerely, but unfortunately no I do not. My business does and it will qualify reducing my income. Also he is raising capital gains tax and repealing the Bush tax cuts. So essentially he is raising taxes on everyone that has any income or investments. The line that I will only raise taxes on 5% of the population is a huge lie but everyone seems to be drinking the cool aid.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:11 p.m. CST

    capital gains tax

    by Krigan

    Do you all really think the stock market as volatile as it is can take a huge increase in taxes on capital gains. One of the dumbest things he has proposed by far.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:12 p.m. CST

    No truth.

    by Darth Macchio

    No truth.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:12 p.m. CST

    Samus - Look up Malik -and not on wiki

    by toadkillerdog

    He was thrown out of NOI because he wanted too much power and espoused even more hatred than Farrakhan could tolerate - and that is saying something. He and Farrakhan are not buddies. You are grasping at straws to rationalize why you do not want to vote for a black man.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Anyone else find this disturbing?

    by Jared

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUEQz5dltmI

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:14 p.m. CST

    richievanderlow

    by Samus Aran

    I believe it is true. But look into it for yourself. Research Black Liberation Theology. You can almost end your homework their, because that should be enough. <P> But for more information see what Malik Zulu Shabazz has to say about Obama, and Farakhan. Look how proudly Jeremiah Wright espouses the tenets of Black Liberation Theology and the writings of James Cone in his Book "Black Theology and Black Power". After all this, consider the glaring fact that Obama attended that church for 20 years, and ask yourself what that means. What does your common sense tell you?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:16 p.m. CST

    Richivanderlow

    by ebonic_plague

    Why should I tolerate bullshit? That's all I've been hearing from the right wingers on this site... not informed, well reasoned positions, but disinformation and nonsense that amounts to pure, unsubstantiated bullshit. I have respect for people, but I have no respect for their bullshit... however, unlike yourself, I can differentiate between the two. Pray for whatever and whomever you'd like, I'll be hoping that people like yourself wise up and stop regurgitating bullshit.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:17 p.m. CST

    toadkillerdog

    by Samus Aran

    I have been paying attention to Malik for a long time and I have never heard such a thing. However, I am happy to learn more, and I will look into it more. <P> And what? Do you think Malik would actually try to sabotage Obama's campaign? <P> And why have you not come to fear the same things that I have if you are informed enough to know who Malik is? Malik is not the cornerstone of my argument?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:19 p.m. CST

    toadkillerdog

    by Samus Aran

    Besides, there is hardly any information on Malik on Wiki? And by the way, wikipedia is not a bad place to start for information- it is a lot more reliable than just some random blogger anyway.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:20 p.m. CST

    G100

    by chipps

    woohoo! that's some good crazy.

  • Jesus. Wake the fuck up.<p> <p>And small businesses are far more concerned that they have reliable functioning Banks so they can deal with Payroll and Stock levels week in week out at the moment.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Taxes are going to have to be raised

    by yomomma

    The government is going bankrupt. We've gone from $5 trillion in debt to over $11 trillion (or 16 if you count the bad loans we got with Freddie and Fannie) in 8 years. Either that or we hack the heck out of the military budget and end the wars. We'd probably have to raise taxes eventually anyway.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Samus - yes, I believe Malik would sabotage Obama

    by toadkillerdog

    First Blacks are not a monolithic group think. Some dislike Obama intensely - See Jesse Jackson and cutting his balls off. Second: Some blacks distrust Obama for being Too white. Obama was trailing Clinton in Black support before the primaries began.<p> I am a Catholic - lifelong, do I agree with everything my church has said and done? No. Nor do most Catholics - see the whole contraception issue. Bottom line, people pick and choose things to believe in or not - and they make deals with themselves when they see a greater good. Regardless of what I or anyone thinks or Rev. Wright, Trinity served its community very well with its charities and outreach. Obama may have ignored some of the pastors outrageous and inflammatory statements, because he saw a greater good. These are my words not his.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:28 p.m. CST

    Mindless Sheep

    by killianx

    It distresses me that so many of my fellow actors and movie buffs get caught up in the Hollywood Liberal Lock Step! Just because the Rich and Powerful like to cram this Liberal Agenda stuff down out throughts and use McCarthiast like tactics in Politics(i.e. you just about blacklisted in H-wood for being a conservative or Republican or both!) It does not mean you have to just follow along midlessly with it. You can disagree with Palin Politically but every time someone from the left tries act like she is dunb or get her on a GOTCHYA! question they end up looking foolish. Except of course to the Mindless Sheep that follow their orders to back it up! Palin is a strong and itnelligent woman that came from a regular background like any of us and has been successful. However because she is a Repeublican the mass Media want to tear her down. I hope those of us who like to claim we are independant thinkers will start acting like it! I am not saying who you have to vote for but for Pete's sake dont just buy into this Propaganda that certain media people are trying to shovel into everyones head!!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:28 p.m. CST

    toadkillerdog

    by Samus Aran

    From my previous discussions with you, I respect your opinion. You seem to have a level head, and because of that, I am strongly curious what you think about what I am proposing here. <P> I know it is dramatic, but that doesn't mean it's not accurate. <P> I accept that it is possible that I might be wrong, but I do know that I haven't lied about anything here. I have offered an argument based on facts that I have been paying attention to for a long time now. If my facts are wrong in any way, please tell me. You already did suggest that I was wrong that Malik and Farakahn were friends and that he left NOI, you may be right, I will have to find out for myself- I am curious. But that was not the crux of my argument. Tell me if I am wrong on any of the facts that I have presented that are the main body of my argument. <P> To accuse Obama of being a racist is definately a very bold statement I know. But I didn't come to this conclusion then search for facts to back myself up, it was a conclusion that I slowly came to over the last couple years as I learned what was going on. It is very possible that he is a racist- there have been MANY prominant black figures in recent history that were. Obama has come farther than any of them by keeping his rhetoric sober- this is my argument. <P> I hope you consider what I have to say without dismissing it out of hand just because it is too dramatic for you to take in.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:29 p.m. CST

    ebonic_plague

    by bismarckf

    Just for clarification, you're saying that right-wingers regurgitate bullshit, but not left-wingers? Is it because they're not open-minded?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Oh and P.S.

    by killianx

    What the hell does matt Damon know about what it takes to handle Putin? I admire his work but i think his opinion is about as relevant as anyone elses. Being a skilled actor doesnt make you smarter than everyone else

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Watch for Palin's "Nipslip Distraction" Gambit

    by Flim Springfield

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Samus - how can you say you were paying attention to Malik

    by toadkillerdog

    For a long time, and not know about his falling out with NOI?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:34 p.m. CST

    toad

    by chipps

    i don't really have an opinion here but reading your debate ive been thinking something. you're dead right that there is a huge range of opinions in the catholic church and that many catholics cherry pic which things they go for (within reason - there is a church in brisbane that is getting kicked out) but see, one of the things we cherry pick is our priests. Some priests are boring, others idiots others inflammatory many are good. You can be a catholic and change priests, and this is what i keep coming back to. there are some crazy mo fos in the catholic church, but see, i avoid those guys and go to a church with a sane pastor. I wouldn't go back to a service where the priest railed against blacks, i would stay a catholic but switch to a different priest. Though i am not sure of the details here.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Why Biden's Gaffes Don't Matter

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    ... as much - at least relative to Palin's uber-gaffes/incoherent babbling: Because Biden, as gaffe-prone as he is - and he is a blowhard - has a lot more on the record to counter it. His idiocy is a small part of his overall oeuvre, so to speak ...<p>Palin's "oeuvre" on the other hand is much smaller, so the any moronic moments she's had take up a large percentage of her total output. So yeah Biden is an old fool at times, but she is a young moron A LOT of the time.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:35 p.m. CST

    That's "Wardrobe Mafunction" Flim Springfield

    by G100

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Isn't "white devils" a NOI thing?

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    I'd be surprised if a Christian church picked up on the same mythology of an Islamic offshoot. Show me the money!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:36 p.m. CST

    toadkillerdog

    by Samus Aran

    In my religion we don't pick and choose what we like and don't like. So I guess I am not coming from the same place you are. Personally I don't even come close to understanding why someone would follow a religion unless they regarded that religion as perfect. <P> If most people are like that, then I can accept your argument. I consider Malcolm X to be an example of someone who only followed his religion because he felt it was perfect and complete. The moment he realized it wasn't, he left. At this point I would feel more comfortable with Malcolm X running for president as the somewhat reformed man he ended his life as than Obama. <P> If Obama left his church, it was political posturing- that is what my common sense tells me. <P> And you may be right, his church may have been a whim for him all along. I don't understand casual religious beliefs, but I know they exist, and I am open to the idea that he is just one of those. <P> But consider that your catholic religion does not offer you such hateful concepts as that which says that "ALL white people are devils". I feel even casual church attenders would leave immediately should they be confronted by such nasty doctrine- if they disagree.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Matt Damon might be a douche

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    But I'd rather have him as VP than mushmouth/witch hunter Palin.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Thunderbolt Ross

    by Samus Aran

    Trinity United Church is BASED on Nation of Islam, at least from what I have been able to understand. <P> Nation of Islam teaches, however, that black people can not be christian. Trinity United Church takes most of NOI concepts and grafts in christianity. There is your money. Just read about it man. Please. Don't rely on me to give you these answers.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Samus - it's possible Obama is an Alien from outer space too

    by toadkillerdog

    I am sure some people must believe that. But just because they think it, does not make it true. You have had a persistent problem with the facts and truth - as we explored in past posts. Remember the dictators? You come up with a thought, and because you have a sliver of inforamation, you then jump to conclusions. Then, when presented with evidence to the contrary, you back -pedal furiously.<p> Like I said, being against Obama on the issues is fine, but creating a false rationale for voting against him, is not only intellectually dishonest, it is stupid too.

  • SEXIST! SEXIST! SEXIST! SEXIST! SEXIST! SEXIST! SEXIST! SEXIST! SEXIST! SEXIST! SEXIST! SEXIST! SEXIST! SEXIST! SEXIST! SEXIST! SEXIST! SEXIST! SEXIST! SEXIST! SEXIST! SEXIST! SEXIST! SEXIST! SEXIST! SEXIST! SEXIST! SEXIST! SEXIST! SEXIST! SEXIST! SEXIST! SEXIST! SEXIST!<P> <P>Just getting Practice in for the Debate.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:44 p.m. CST

    bismarckf

    by ebonic_plague

    Right wingers don't have a monopoly on bullshit, but, as you and some others here demonstrate daily, they sure have a natural talent for indulging in it.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Samus Aran

    by chipps

    see i think this is something people don't give catholics credit for. we truly do examine the alternative positions to our own and accept the possibility that we are wrong. one thing that reviewers keep mentioning about the bill maher doco is the priest at the vatican who accept the flaws of the religion but belive anyway. I think anyone who considers a faith or denomination of a religion flawless is stark raving mad because whenever you organise something you open the way for individuals to benefit from the organizational structure while paying lip service to its underlying goals. Catholics are very aware (and if you go to a catholic school you are taught) about the times in our church's history that were dominated by corrupt individuals (such as the Borgias). anyone who has zero mistrust of an organisation is certifiable.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:47 p.m. CST

    Samus

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    I just skimmed through three articles on Black Liberation Theology, including an NPR piece and some blogger's incredibly negative assessment of it as it pertains to Obama's church. There is no mention of whites or anyone else as devils in any of them The Nation of Islam has the mythology involving white devils, that's the one Malcolm X was involved with ... Malik Shabazz I'm pretty sure is also an NOI-sounding name. <p>There may be some community relationship between Obama's church and the NOI but from what I can tell Black Liberation Theology is still a form of Christianity, while the Nation of Islam practices a (bizarre) form of Islam

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:47 p.m. CST

    Deficits.

    by yomomma

    So we can just go further into debt forever? WRONG. They are already talking about downgrading the US government's credit rating, and the Chinese are starting to look for other places to invest their money. Going into defeicit in hard times is good, because raising taxes in a down economy is typically bad. But that assumes that the stupid government wasn't running enormous deficits in the good times. There are plenty of insolvent countries that can't pay their debt, look at the third world. We are heading that direction. But that's right, in your right-wing fantasy land, debt is free, the filthy foreigners are too dumb to stop giving us their money no matter how far into debt we go. You are obviously an economic genius. Let's just stop paying taxes altogether and borrow ALL the money we need!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Samus again

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    I stated what I stated based on what you said about Black Liberation Theology, then you switched it to Obama's church. You're now going to have to post some links since I did my hourly maximum of internet research in the name of a stupid message board argument on your ORIGINAL point.<p> Which you might call a request to SHOW me the money, not TELL me about it.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:51 p.m. CST

    T-Ross

    by killianx

    Palin is neither a mushmouth nor a witch Hunter... see the reason I think people get so heated in political debate at times is because when talking about there is a preconception that there will be Logical discussion. However T-Ross has demonstrated the basic argument that the Liberal media elite and so called intellectual elite devolve into when they cant talk strait on issue. They try to paint an exaggerated characterture of someone and try to use absurd scare tactics to tear them apart. In this case T-ross uses palins accent and Christian background to say she is a "Mushmouth and Witch hunter" Wow real good way to insightful open-minded, accepting and all the other things that Liberal pose to stand for. By the way I actually admire what Liberalism used to stand for. it is unfortunate that it ahs been hijacked by extremeists

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:53 p.m. CST

    chipps

    by toadkillerdog

    You are right about that, and you put it well. Like I said, those were my words, not Obama's. The cherry picking goes on in just about every religion. We make choices based on our comfort level, and sometimes, just like a bad relationship, we stick around too long because we have become too comfortable. I will be honest, I do not know much about Trinity church, other than snippets I saw on youtube, and some stories - both positive and negative about it. But I do know that to get a complete picture, one must go beyond casual or anecdotal knowledge.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Just like Bill Clinton ...

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    ... right. You know now that I realize Palin is "just like Bill Clinton" - or that Alaska is "just like" Arkansas or any other of the contiguous United States - I feel so much better about the fact that by all appearances to be a vacuous, overly-ambitious halfwit.<p>Oh I'm sure she'll change my mind tonight with her wonderfully-memorized lines and "sassy" political zingers.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Hey Samus..

    by killianx

    Where did you hear or read that TUC is actually based on NOI? that would be interesting to validate.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:56 p.m. CST

    ebonic_plague

    by bismarckf

    I suggest you widen your spectrum of political knowledge. I'm hardly right-wing. I'm just not as apparently left-wing as you are. (In your own way, you seem to be as bad as any true right-winger, viewing things in strictly black-or-white terms. Not everyone is this country is absolute Republican or Democrat.)

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:57 p.m. CST

    killianx

    by ebonic_plague

    I think you've just shown us what constitutes a true mushmouth.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:58 p.m. CST

    PASTOR MUTHEE SPOTTED ON THE MCCAIN ARIZONA COMPOUND!!!

    by BringingSexyBack

    Make no mistake - witchcraft is involved tonight. Now I'm afraid. Lord! Make a way!!! Make a way for Senator Biden. Talk to God about this man!!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Primates

    by jsm1978

    I can see what your'e hinting at... monkeys and apes are labled as primates, humans are labled as primates, isn't it possible that humans came from monkeys/apes. <p> As someone who believes in Biblical creation, I believe humans were a special creation, and so they would not fall under the same created "kind" at other creatures science lables as primates.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7 p.m. CST

    killianx

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    If you truly think I was trying to use "scare tactics" by calling Palin a witch hunter , you are paranoid at best. I think it was pretty obviously a humorous exagerration. THat's not to say you need to find it funny but to characterize it as anything else is patently ridiculous.<p>Also ridiculous is the idea of defending her hideous, mush-mouthed performances whilst being interviewed. And I'm not "liberal" or "intellectual" (??? Jesus talk about assumptions), I just, you know, HAVE EARS AND EYES. If I was a McCain supporter, I'd be even more troubled by her apparent lack of gray matter. I happen to be an Obama supporter but in large part that's because John McCain PICKED A FUCKING IDIOT FOR HIS RUNNING MATE.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:02 p.m. CST

    killianx

    by Samus Aran

    I really can't remember and it might have been a conclusion that I made because their teachings are so similar, and they are both based in Chicago. <P> But it seems to me that I did in fact read that somewhere, look into it.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:02 p.m. CST

    I'M CAUTIOUS ABOUT TONIGHT'S DEBATE

    by BringingSexyBack

    McCain's entire staff, including experts who coached Dubya, prepared Palin for this night. It's conceivable she may come out strong. I just hope Biden holds his own.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:04 p.m. CST

    Agent Johnson

    by yomomma

    Sorry, but what economist is saying we can run these kind of deficits forever? My point is, eventually we are going to have to raise taxes in the GOOD times.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:05 p.m. CST

    Thunderbolt Ross

    by Samus Aran

    Black Liberation Theology is CLEARLY the base of Obama's church- that is EVERYWHERE. You don't have to do hardly any research to validate that. Just check. Listen to Jeremiah Wright interview with Hannity (if you can stomach watchin Hannity for a couple minutes:) ). Just do homework, but I am glad you are interested.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Thunderbolt Ross

    by Samus Aran

    Well look into James Cone's book "Black Theology and Black Power"

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:09 p.m. CST

    bismarckf

    by ebonic_plague

    Coming from a guy who warns of the impending Obama police state, I don't think I need any advice from you on what movies to netflix, much less anything actually important.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:12 p.m. CST

    toadkillerdog

    by Samus Aran

    You are right. And actually I have to learn more about Trinity United Church as well. More than anything, I just want people to look into it, and then make a conclusion from that point. From my experience, you don't have to dig too deep before you start seeing angry rhetoric towards whites in Trinity United Church. <P> If you look closely at that church and conclude that it is not as racist as it seems- then that is fine. I may be wrong. But it bears looking into. <P> I am glad that you guys seem to be taking this somewhat seriously, it makes me feel a lot more comfortable to know that people don't just glaze over this too quickly. I am happy that if after being well informed on it, you may come to a different conclusion than me.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:19 p.m. CST

    ebonic_plague

    by bismarckf

    Not to worry, I'm not expecting you to be open-minded or anything. (btw, that particular post was "exaggeration," though it's clear that Obama doesn't like dissent.)

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:22 p.m. CST

    Fuckin' Samus

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Are you serious or are you just yanking people's chains? I am WELL AWARE Black Liberation Theology is the basis of his church, as I just clearly demonstrated in a response to you. <p>What I am not well aware of, and what I asked you to give links to is the relationship between Obama's church and NOI. Which you won't do, since I just read in a post of yours you "read it somewhere" ... Holy smokes.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:23 p.m. CST

    Anybody voting for Sarah Palin

    by kwisatzhaderach

    should really just fuck off the planet. There's no place for you here. Read more books, please. It's not rocket science.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:26 p.m. CST

    The difference between "looking novice" and "looking idiot"

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Well, there is a difference.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:28 p.m. CST

    I take it back

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    I actually didn't clearly demonstrate I knew Back Liberation Theology was the basis of Obama's church, but I didn't question the fact either.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:30 p.m. CST

    bismarckf

    by ebonic_plague

    Glad we got that sorted out, then. Good luck convincing others to be open minded toward your bullshit--- er, exaggerations.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:33 p.m. CST

    BSB

    by toadkillerdog

    It is a matter of lowered expectations. Palin has performed so badly, that she can not possilbly get worse. Tonights debate, should really pose little problem for her or Biden. The questions will be on policies - that she has been cramming on. She will regurgitate the party line - even if she does not fully comprehend what she is saying. <p> Biden is gaffe prone, and thus has omre to lose. If Palin simply links hers memorized answeres to the write questions, and does not try to go off script with bullshit answers - a'la her interviews, she should be fine. She does well on camera, and when she can rely on rote. Biden, had better be prepared. I suspect, it will be boring, and that both will be under strict orders to stick to the script and not improvise. My guess, it will be a tie, and spun by both camps as a victory. Actually, it may come out with Palin ahead, because she exceeded expectations - by simply not putting her foot in her mouth.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:38 p.m. CST

    AgentJohnson

    by toadkillerdog

    It is not just experience, it is comprehension and understanding. She is out of her league and depth. She has never had to face issues beyond the limited scope of a small state (population wise) -nor has she shown the intellectual curiosity to overcome being in a small state. I am not saying she is dumb, she is not. But she does not have the intellectual heft to be President or vice president. She is a decent enough person, but we have already seen what happens when we elect someone based on personality, as opposed to brains or good common sense. <p> She may be the 'guy' next door - albeit with lumps on her chest, but I do not want my next door neighbor running the greatest country on earth.

  • REALLY ? No. I'm fairly sure that with this Colossal Economic Clusterfuck and 2 intractable Wars all the public will be looking for is a couple of Palin Zingers and some glib "folksy" generalitities. That should do it. Right ?<p> <p>A heartbeat away from some of the most complex and serious issues a President could ever face.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:45 p.m. CST

    yomomma

    by chipps

    contrary to popular belief most expenditure is non discretionary (unless you count starting a war as discretionary spending) the minority of govt spending is choice based, lets assume that obamas spending is much higher than mcain's (for argument sake) the difference will still constitute a small percent of the overall budget. most will go on fixing roads, ongoing military expenses (even without a war) paying the public service (which tends to grow under repulians). so that is the expense side. largly unchanged between recessions and booms (some changes sure) now the revenue side. when times are good the govt gets a bonanza in tax. more people employed and higher wages. obviously when times are bad, lower wages less employment. so, good times: lots of rev, bad times: smaller rev, same expenses. consequently, unless you want to go back to unsurfaced roads it makes sense to run a deficit in bad times.<p>there is a second reason for this. two types of policy can effect an economy, monetary policy and fiscal policy. most countries have independent central banks that control mon pol. so what can a govt do? well it has fiscal pol. basically you have contractionary fiscal pol (higher taxes, less spending or both) and expansionary fiscal pol (lower taxes more spending) as the names indicate exp will increase unemployment and reduce inflation and vice versa. so in the lean times there is a strong argument for running a deficit to stimulate the economy. that said you are coming from a bad base, you are already in a lot of debt<p> i may fuck this quote but it was a good one (paraphrase) obama: without this bailout a crisis will become a catastrophe. one big reason the crash of 29' and its envitable recession became the great depression was that it instigated a large scale closure of banks. you guys have a recession no matter what you do. you can prevent it from becoming a depression by bailing out the banks.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:49 p.m. CST

    G100

    by toadkillerdog

    Like it or not, quite a few people vote based on 'who they like' not who they think is smarter or best for job. It becomes doubly difficult for Obama, because when that curtain closes, people are going to be confronted with stark reality: 'Can I really vote for a Black man?'<p> So, yes if Palin can re-assure her base, and indepenadants that she is not a complete doofus (and she is not, just sheltered and uninformed - with no time to learn on the job), then it may assuage some who are having problems voting for a Black man, regardless the situation.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:49 p.m. CST

    debate my dick!

    by dioxholster

    palin sucks...actually i dont know yet but its my prediction and i think thats a right,

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Damn you Sarah Palin!

    by dioxholster

    Damn you Michael Bay and Sarah Palin!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:52 p.m. CST

    No Big Dumb Ape it was not debunked ...

    by lunalu

    ...unless you count on FOX giving you actual news. I will continue to get my news from things like the NY Times, a journal that according to you must be continuing to spread the lies. As Mayor, she stood by the jerk who was handpicked by her for the job. She did nothing to stop him and the city from continuing to charge victims to 'save the taxpayers money'. The governor had to step in so that victims would stop receiving the bill. Maybe you don't give a crap, but I sure as hell would rather my tax dollars pay for something like that than half the garbage our government pays for.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Anybody posting during debates? Who's here!?

    by StrokerX

    Whoo Hoooo!!!!!!!!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:53 p.m. CST

    hello!

    by StrokerX

    who's here?! live debate talkback!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:54 p.m. CST

    Religion and President and Presidential Nominees

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Think Bill Maher is right on the money in the respect of religion and Presidents and Presidential Nominees. <p> That is with 60% of Americans believing literally in the Noah's Ark Story, you would be stupid if you said you were either an athesist or a believer in another religion, regardless of what you actually believe.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:54 p.m. CST

    Alright fuckheads!

    by dirtsandwich

    Let the masterdebating begin.... Fail-in Palin just simply needs to show her tits.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:54 p.m. CST

    double posts!

    by StrokerX

    sweet! I'm in Alaska...must be a delay

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Here's why creationism matters

    by Sirmausalot

    Creationism tosses aside fundamental scientific principles and discoveries about evolution, carbon dating, you name it. No self respecting scientist actually believes in the literal explanations in the bible (though many of course have religious beliefs). That means Palin has no basis to understand issues of global warming, alternative energy, computers, or any other issue in which science needs to be understood to form reasoned solutions. This is why her stance on creationism matters. She cannot make the kinds of informed decisions that a president needs to make. We've seen what that leads to over the past 8 years. You'll see it in the debate tonight. She went to five schools in six years, or was it six schools in five years. You can't cram successfully for a debate if you don't have the background for it just like you can't cram for the presidency. You're either smart enough for the job or you're not. Obama may not be as experienced as we might like, but he certainly is a hell of a lot smarter than the other guy and will make better choices in crisis situations. You can see that already.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:56 p.m. CST

    Noah's Ark

    by StrokerX

    so wait...it's not true?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:58 p.m. CST

    chipps

    by yomomma

    I don't disagree about running a deficit in bad times. But we are no longer in a position where we can totally ignore the debt, because we ran it up so enormously under Bush. At some point, the Chinese and Arabs are going to stop trusting our ability to pay back our loans and they are going to stop buying treasuries. That would be very bad. We not only are running about $600 billion in deficits without the bail out, but we have a $800 billion dollar trade deficit that is funded by foreign loans, as well as $200 billion per yer for the wars. We are spending TOO MUCH even for bad times. As for the bail out, there are 400 economists who have come out saying it's a bad bill. Maybe we need a bail out of some kind, but this particular bill is terrible. FOREIGN banks will be allowed to sell bad mortgage derivatives to us at above face value. YOUR tax dollars will go to alleviate the bad gambles of FOREIGN investors. A large chunk of the bail out money will just leave the country. There's a whole host of other enormous problems with this bill I won't go into here because it feels wrong discussing it here without calling someone a stupid asshole or a prick. It boils down to the fact that Wall Street has given millions to ALL of the major politicians, and now want us to make sure their bad bets get paid on the public dime. This is BAD BAD BAD because it will only reinforce bad behaviors on the part of the banks who were the most dishonest while driving the honest banks (who will not get bailed out, because they didn't take those extravagant risks) into a position where they can't compete. Look. the fed has already doled out nearly this much through their TAF, and the economy is NO better off, why do we think this bail out will make any difference? Because some lying politician like Bush or Pelosi says so? They're both lying assholes and fuckwits! (I feel better now).

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Sorry Stroker X

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 7:59 p.m. CST

    StrokerX sucks

    by dioxholster

    woo hoo!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:01 p.m. CST

    Did McCain fake his heart attack yet?

    by dirtsandwich

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:02 p.m. CST

    whos sexier?

    by dioxholster

    biden or palin? i pick palin the milf.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:03 p.m. CST

    Yeahhhh

    by StrokerX

    this bitch means bizness! (the mediator)

  • But yeah, there might be a few dumb enough to be swayed on her "folksy" image.<p> <p>But the fact the many Republicans are now backing slowly away from Palin doesn't bode well even if she doesn't fall flat on her ass.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Palin looks nervous.

    by Harold-Sherbort

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:05 p.m. CST

    i might actually jerk off

    by dioxholster

    when she appears im doing it serious.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:06 p.m. CST

    is that tiny fey

    by dioxholster

    afafasfasfsga

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:07 p.m. CST

    heyyyy dioxhoister

    by StrokerX

    Whoo hoo! she's a robot so far

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:08 p.m. CST

    omg shes a robot

    by dioxholster

    she talks like a robot who was ordered to say blah blah blah oh wait blah some more

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:10 p.m. CST

    666 posts! Ah!

    by Mr. N

    This talkbalk is owned by the devil! Lets get that witch doctor who did Palin over here now!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:10 p.m. CST

    fraky she likes the camera

    by dioxholster

    she keeps looking at the camera i think i know why.....photoshoot! playboy territory.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:10 p.m. CST

    Yeah it's FOLKSY to the Max

    by G100

    And Republicans are all Mavericks now.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:11 p.m. CST

    She's playing mommy to us

    by dirtsandwich

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:11 p.m. CST

    actually shes was a newscaster

    by dioxholster

    thats why

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:12 p.m. CST

    she yelled rape

    by dioxholster

    take advantage of who, its u who wants to rape us bitch.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:13 p.m. CST

    DARN RIGHT!

    by Nortimus

    We can, darn right, agree on this, darn right, do this to get it done. DARN RIGHT!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:13 p.m. CST

    MILF!!

    by Little Beavis

    Had to say it since nobody had yet... MILFASAURUS SEX!!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:15 p.m. CST

    Yeah she doesn't have a fucking clue about deregulation

    by G100

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:15 p.m. CST

    How many times do you think

    by dirtsandwich

    she's had to clean Todd's jizz off of those shiny glasses.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:15 p.m. CST

    shes a bit more confident today

    by dioxholster

    i think she masturbated before she came on stage. so as to ease her stress,

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:15 p.m. CST

    Grooaan

    by StrokerX

    "i'm not going to answer the questions i'm gonna tell ya'll this shit!..." hahahahaha

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:16 p.m. CST

    "I might not answer the questions in a way that...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...answers the question"...can you believe this shit?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:18 p.m. CST

    Blargh

    by therightone

    Whose playing Biden? Is that Chris Parnell?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:19 p.m. CST

    It's tied right now on CNN HD

    by dirtsandwich

    15 each

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:19 p.m. CST

    boy she equiped herself with a strap-on

    by dioxholster

    and i think i know what shes gonna do with it oh man

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:20 p.m. CST

    Palin....

    by BacardiRocky

    ...is Failin. What a dumb broad. "I might not answer the question in a way that answers the question" is perhaps the worst "answer" I have ever heard a politician give to a question.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:20 p.m. CST

    You betcha

    by therightone

    If she says it one more time, I'll have finished this bottle of tequila.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:21 p.m. CST

    I see a Pearl Necklace!!!!

    by dioxholster

    look closely at her neck and chest. Tod was a busy boy!!! thats how Alaskans do it. Drill and Spill!!!!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:22 p.m. CST

    Palin has been prepped on what to say

    by Orionsangels

    When Bidden throws her a curve ball that isn't on her prepped agenda. She says. I'm not gonna answer that. I'll get back to ya lol.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:22 p.m. CST

    LOL

    by StrokerX

    "of george bu...i mean john mccain"

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:23 p.m. CST

    Is it me or are they sprinting through this ?

    by G100

    This is an hour and a half Guys an Gals. Pace yourselves.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:24 p.m. CST

    She has her lines memorized!

    by Orionsangels

    That's why she keeps going back to certain issues, because they're next on her prepared list.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:24 p.m. CST

    Exxon and Texaco Bless their hearts LOL

    by G100

    It begiiiiins.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Bad move saying 5 weeks honey

    by dirtsandwich

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:25 p.m. CST

    5 weeks!!!

    by BacardiRocky

    What an idiot, she just reminded the country she has only been at this for 5 weeks.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:26 p.m. CST

    she wants it bad

    by dioxholster

    and im gonna give it to her.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:27 p.m. CST

    Here comes the rambling

    by dirtsandwich

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:27 p.m. CST

    She's repeating herself already

    by G100

    NOT a good sign.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:27 p.m. CST

    Just answer the question!!

    by BacardiRocky

    dumbass!!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:28 p.m. CST

    Forget about credit markets...

    by therightone

    you're seizing up something in my pants Sarah.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:29 p.m. CST

    she makes no sense

    by dioxholster

    her sentences are ... err...5 weeks!!!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:30 p.m. CST

    "That is not so...

    by therightone

    But I'm not sure why, so let me talk about my energy policy again."

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:30 p.m. CST

    why do i get nervous watching this?

    by Captain Katanga

    i've got sweaty palms!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:31 p.m. CST

    fuck man what the hell

    by dioxholster

    she doesnt want to answer the question thats why shes staying on the attack.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:31 p.m. CST

    McCain is spinning in his grave...

    by BacardiRocky

    ..what? He's not dead? Sorry.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:32 p.m. CST

    She's crashing and burning on Global Warming

    by G100

    If she doesn't have any idea what causes it how the fuck can she stop it ?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:33 p.m. CST

    jesus votes for obama

    by dioxholster

    jesus hates that bitch

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:33 p.m. CST

    Getting nervous

    by StrokerX

    yeah i cant tell if it's cause i'm high or her fast talking scripted lines

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:33 p.m. CST

    She's totally watching her

    by dirtsandwich

    notes. She's not staying on the question. She's been baby fed if you don't know the answer then turn the question around and answer something else that she practiced.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:34 p.m. CST

    Countries that care less about the evironment..

    by therightone

    Like countries that didn't ratify the kyoto protocols. Oh, the USA is one of those countries....nevermind.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:34 p.m. CST

    Drill her biden

    by dioxholster

    drill we must

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Drill Baby Drill! Aaaaannnnd wait 10 years

    by G100

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:40 p.m. CST

    she just (basically) said...

    by Mr. N

    she doesn't support equal civil rights for gay couples... does she want camps or something?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:40 p.m. CST

    Looks like the Qwurs are outta luck

    by StrokerX

    sawwwy....

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:40 p.m. CST

    gay marriage sucks

    by dioxholster

    we all agreee YAY yeepee !!!!!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:41 p.m. CST

    Holy shit she IS a robot

    by StrokerX

    the way she repeated what the moderater said...creepy

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:42 p.m. CST

    dude Biden hates fags too

    by dioxholster

    i hate fags tooo my friends hate fags tooo but we all keep our mouth shut

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:42 p.m. CST

    FYI: manny is up to bat right now

    by Mr. N

    if any of y'all are into baseball. and you should be. cause there's only one october.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:42 p.m. CST

    35 biden 21 palin

    by dirtsandwich

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:44 p.m. CST

    she got balls

    by dioxholster

    big ones

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:45 p.m. CST

    Biden can attack her since he has a son over there

    by G100

    White Flag of surrender. What a clueless Douche.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:45 p.m. CST

    They said this war was close to being over 4 years ago

    by Orionsangels

    Palin - Give us a chance, will end this war, with victory! 'Mission Acomplished'

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:45 p.m. CST

    Biden love McCain

    by therightone

    He's a total 'mo! Weird old man sex!!!!!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Biden isn't debating Palin...

    by BacardiRocky

    He is debating John McCain....and I love it. This broad does not belong on that stage. S

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Biden isn't debating Palin...

    by BacardiRocky

    He is debating John McCain....and I love it. This broad does not belong on that stage.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:48 p.m. CST

    Canada has their debate tonight too

    by buffywrestling

    There is seriously nothing on TV. I am finally checking out Supernatural though. Not a bad little show.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:48 p.m. CST

    Yeah, this won't change many minds it's STILL THE ECONOMY

    by G100

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:50 p.m. CST

    50 biden 25 palin

    by dirtsandwich

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Hey just pillow talk

    by Oceanlizard

    Last time I checked this was a website about tv, movies....you know the entertainment industry. Not the Huffington Post. You Cuntfuck

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:51 p.m. CST

    Palin = Diablo Robotico

    by buffywrestling

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:51 p.m. CST

    Bidden just owned Palin!

    by Orionsangels

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Aint it political news?

    by dioxholster

    it is now. forget hollywood Washington is where all the action is

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Biden needs to stop smiling like a jackass

    by therightone

    Palin is a joke, but he is making himself look like a cocky asshole.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:53 p.m. CST

    The Succubus Episode of South Park

    by Mr. N

    Is on right now... Coincidence, thou art a foul bitch.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:53 p.m. CST

    Palin

    by Orionsangels

    Most her debate consist of her saying is McCain voted against. He voted against every policy George had. Oh so he can't be trusted on supporting his own party

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:53 p.m. CST

    Israel sucks cock

    by dioxholster

    it does admit it.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:53 p.m. CST

    Joe Biden:

    by chipps

    Talking about Joe Biden in the third person.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:55 p.m. CST

    LOVED the bit about McCain and Spain!

    by mbeemer

    What could Palin say? "He didn't know the guy was from Spain, ya know"?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:56 p.m. CST

    Hahaha! Did she just defend the Bush Administration?

    by Orionsangels

    "Oh every Administration has blunders." Just that every Bush Administration move was a blunder, lol

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:56 p.m. CST

    Joe Biden:

    by chipps

    hard of hearing

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:57 p.m. CST

    i love israel so much

    by dioxholster

    that i like to stick my cock in its ass. thats how i love it.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:57 p.m. CST

    The Blame Game?! Did She Just Say That?

    by LaserPants

    Omg, this bitch is the most ridiculous person on Earth. This whole thing has been hilarious! Biden is DESTROYING her. McSame is fucking weeping right now.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Can I talk about moose hunting?

    by Orionsangels

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:58 p.m. CST

    this foreign policy discussion is not fair

    by DougMcKenzie

    Palin once again sticks to repeated catchphrases and talking points. She just kept saying "We will be a friend to Israel" repeatedly. Biden showed a thorough understanding of the policy faliures that have resestablished Hamas and Hezbellolah in the region and even tied them to Iran. He even forwarded solutions to the problemds. He just didn't keep saying "McCain/Palin is a friend to Israel" over and over. Palin can't debate Biden on foreign affairs. She knows absolutely nothing about them.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:58 p.m. CST

    building schools:

    by chipps

    only fair when you blow them up.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Don't ask her a question about nukes

    by ballyhoo

    She'll embarrass herself by pronouncing nuculer.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:59 p.m. CST

    She keeps changing the FUCKING subject

    by dirtsandwich

    what is distracting you? Is there a huge cock dangling in your face?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 8:59 p.m. CST

    10 BILLION a month to keep this Iraq War going

    by Orionsangels

    That's McSurge Mcsame for ya

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9 p.m. CST

    surge principals in afganistan

    by chipps

    = stop loss

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9 p.m. CST

    You Know She'll Do Just Fine As An Also Ran FOX News Host

    by LaserPants

    'Cause being VP is not a job she is going to be getting. So don't worry neocons, the retarded fundie milf will live on as a kind of failed celebrity on your favorite propaganda network.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:01 p.m. CST

    Orionsangels wins TB

    by kikuchiyoboy

    "Can I talk about moose hunting?" <br> Thanks for the laugh. <br> That is all.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:01 p.m. CST

    Its always sunny is on...

    by therightone

    Screw it....Raptor Jesus 08!!!!!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:03 p.m. CST

    Palin

    by Holy Hell

    is kicking ass. Considering McCain would bounce in the polls even if she managed to simply to not throw up and run away screaming, look for a significant bump in a couple days.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:03 p.m. CST

    64 biden 32 palin

    by dirtsandwich

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:03 p.m. CST

    Orionsangel

    by dagonet_

    $700 Billion all at once to bail out the greedy wallstreet giants, aided by the Obama puppetmaster Fannie Mae

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:04 p.m. CST

    BIden calll her on the bridge

    by dirtsandwich

    oh you cunt, you said yes to the bridge then you changed your story.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:06 p.m. CST

    dagonet, Mcsame is part of that as well

    by Orionsangels

    Look I'll vote for a giraffe in Nov just as long as it wasn't part of the Bush administration.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:06 p.m. CST

    Note to Palin

    by DougMcKenzie

    Don't try to bring up Biden's initial support of the war and agreeing with McCain. Because it allows two things: 1) Biden to say how the senate was misled by the Bush administration on the WMDS 2) Point out he no longer agrees with McCain because of his failures. It is not a good debate position. Second note to Sarah, Biden like alot of americans did agree with the war initially. You allow the audience to identify with his change of position. Not smart.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:06 p.m. CST

    She's Just A Washington Outsider!

    by LaserPants

    As in, she has no experience whatsoever and is woefully unqualified, not to mention retarded.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:08 p.m. CST

    Palin

    by Holy Hell

    She is striking the exact right notes to get working class people too exhausted to pick up a decent newspaper excited. She comfortable, folksy, and ballsy. Biden's on defense (he'd have to be to not appear sexist) and Palin looks like that hockey-mom reformer that was so damn appealing right after McCain picked her. This could be the first vp debate game changer in history.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:08 p.m. CST

    "he will know how to win a war"

    by dioxholster

    she started robot mode. she changes her tone when shes repeating stuff she mesmerized

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:09 p.m. CST

    Look it's simple...

    by Orionsangels

    Vote for Obama or 4 more years of, My Name is Earl.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:09 p.m. CST

    Joe Biden:

    by chipps

    his hairpiece mesmerizes me.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:10 p.m. CST

    73 biden 43 palin

    by dirtsandwich

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:10 p.m. CST

    Does she have to keep fucking winking at the camera?...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...like that? What the fuck.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:10 p.m. CST

    hang on,

    by chipps

    are you saying that if obama wins they are going to cancel my name is earl? MCAIN/PALIN 08!!!!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:11 p.m. CST

    Holy Hell, You Are Out Of Your Mind

    by LaserPants

    She just lost the race for McSame. Its done. She sounds like an idiot and Biden's laying out the facts and pwning her pretty badly.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:12 p.m. CST

    "Win a war"?...McCain knows how to get shot down...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...and be held on his ass as prisoner for five years is what he knows...

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:12 p.m. CST

    Dawg gone it? huh? Anyone who says that should

    by Orionsangels

    have their head hung near a moosehead

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:12 p.m. CST

    palin's 5000 words and only 1 fucking point

    by dirtsandwich

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:13 p.m. CST

    SAY IT AIN'T SO JOE, DOGGONEIT!

    by StrokerX

    lol

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Ah!

    by Holy Hell

    God she's good. I was just about to exhale when Biden got it back to the economy when she "say it ain't so, Joe"'d the room. Shout outs to teachers. God damn.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Populists speak to the retards

    by Rupee88

    She sounds like some woman teaching kids who ride the short bus..

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:13 p.m. CST

    You can feel her trying to be folksy and likeable

    by ballyhoo

    It ain't working.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Ooooh palin slipped up. That's that Alaska humor we heard about

    by Orionsangels

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:14 p.m. CST

    WHAT>

    by dioxholster

    3rd grader: i want a blowjob not extra credit give me a blowjob bitch.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Biden has fucked the pooch here

    by Cedar_Room

    Sweet Jesus this was the easiest open goal in the history of VP debates and Biden has royally fucked it up. Well done you bumbling tool. Thanks America for 4 years of fucktards McCain and Palin.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:14 p.m. CST

    oh god

    by DougMcKenzie

    I do think a Earl/Crabman ticket might defeat Obama/Biden.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Laser

    by Holy Hell

    People don't respond to facts, they respond to personality. Didn't Bush's cowboy brush-cutting two terms teach you anything?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:15 p.m. CST

    FlickaPoo

    by dioxholster

    they told her to talk to the camera like a newscaster

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:15 p.m. CST

    StrokerX, is that how you spell it?

    by Orionsangels

    I've never seen that word spelled out, because I don't live in the 50s.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:15 p.m. CST

    She said McCain tapped her

    by dirtsandwich

    that's the only reason why he picked her

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:16 p.m. CST

    "McCain already tapped me"

    by Loosejerk

    OMFG....tell me you got that, tell me you got that!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:16 p.m. CST

    This is just what I feared...Palin has no facts but...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...she had the killer lunchroom instincts of a popular high school queen bee.

  • Also Also Also Also Also Also Also Also Also Also Also Also Also Also Also Also Also Also Also Also Also Also Also Also Also Also Also Also Also Also Also Also Also Also Also Also Also Also Also Also Also Also Also Also Also Also Also Also Also Also Also Also and Also Moosehunting.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:17 p.m. CST

    Oh Gosh Darn It, I'm Just A Reg'lar Ole Folksy Gal!

    by LaserPants

    And I'm looking for a new job. <br><br> Suggestion? PORN.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Biden is doing a good job of

    by StrokerX

    connecting mccain with bush

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Wow

    by SantiagoAndDunbar

    Does McCain have any shot at all after Palin's bomb tonite?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Flicka

    by Holy Hell

    That's right. Wish it weren't.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:19 p.m. CST

    ....god help us.

    by FlickaPoo

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Abe Simpson lied

    by DougMcKenzie

    He said, FOR A FACT, "YOU? This is the greatest country in the world. We have an entire system to keep people like you from ever becoming president! Stop your day-dreaming, Melonhead!" Palin disproves that point.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Santa

    by Holy Hell

    She's KILLING. Just wait for the bump. It's coming. Normal people, who watch NCIS and laugh at According to Jim are smitten. She didn't puke on her flag pin- she wins.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Palin will have deemed to have won this

    by Cedar_Room

    not on the facts, but on the charm factor. She has been succinct and to the point whereas Biden has rambled. Personally I find her an utterly condescending and smug cunt, but I can see that the average American idiot will lap it up.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:21 p.m. CST

    She said Reagan. I'm thinking about Reagan now

    by Orionsangels

    Wait a minute. Holy Shit! A vote for McCain is a vote for the new Ronald Reagan!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:21 p.m. CST

    FINALLY, Joe Biden made good use of the old...

    by FlickaPoo

    ....Poor LIttle Match Girl Sad Story....nicely done.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:22 p.m. CST

    by Holy Hell

    Were those Hillary tears from Biden? Is he trying to out-chick her?! Dumb-ass!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:22 p.m. CST

    From a UK perspective...

    by hypnotron

    Watching this debate live, I am not even sure if Palin is speaking English, she opens her mouth and gibberish comes out. She is clearly insane and representative of every thing that the rest of the world perceives as being wrong with America. She is a bible bashing, folksy moron who is so obviously unqualified for any form of sincere statesmanship that is is completely baffling to think this person is actually on my TV screen partaking in such a high level debate. It is truly mind boggling! If she gets in as VP and anything happens to McCain...She will be president...can you imagine how terrible that would be?! I shudder to think...

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:22 p.m. CST

    Nice Biden!

    by StrokerX

    choked up JUST right...

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:23 p.m. CST

    ..."got to win the wars"...WE STARTED

    by FlickaPoo

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Biden tearing!

    by BacardiRocky

    Biden taking a page out of Hillary's play book and getting teary eyed! good job Joe!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:23 p.m. CST

    You mean like turdblossoms Johnson ?

    by G100

    This isn't American Idol. She has Zero Depth. But her completely robotic delivery isn't helping her "folksy" image either.<p> <p>The "Maverick" horseshit is ALSO getting NEARLY as Old as McCain.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:23 p.m. CST

    for fucks sake Biden

    by Cedar_Room

    every time she's said McCain is a maverick just come back and say McCAIN VOTED THE SAME WAY AS BUSH 90% OF THE TIME.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Be interesting if Bullwinkle was asking the questions

    by Orionsangels

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:24 p.m. CST

    97 biden 55 palin

    by dirtsandwich

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:24 p.m. CST

    Cedar that's what he has to do. What Obama should have done

    by Orionsangels

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:24 p.m. CST

    G100

    by Holy Hell

    This IS American Idol.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:25 p.m. CST

    by deadshot07

    "How are we going to pay these tuition bills?" Your assets total over a million dollars, you fucking stupid bitch.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:25 p.m. CST

    So...

    by tbransonlives

    10 point lead for Obama after the next polls? Maybe it's my bias, but she is horrible at this.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:25 p.m. CST

    Thank god joe called her on that Maverick garbage

    by crazybubba

    If i hear the word maverick one more time I gonna jump through the TV and rip the podiums apart.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:25 p.m. CST

    True, Holy Hell, But Kerry Was No Obama

    by LaserPants

    People LOVE Obama. Like flat out fucking LOVE him. He's got crazy personality AND he's intelligent AND he's a great orator. People react to him like the messiah. Kerry was just "Not Bush" and thats not enough to motivate people. Did you know anyone who was on fire for Kerry? Yeah, me neither. But people are on fire for Obama. Palin has some popularity, but Obama love is much deeper and much wider. This election is all but won. I think its going to be close-ish, but Obama is going to take this.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:25 p.m. CST

    Biden's kicking ass with the "salf of the earth"...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...here at the end. "the common clay of the New West....you know...morons." You gotta keep them happy.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:26 p.m. CST

    It was American Idol till the Economy Shattered

    by G100

    Now jobs win over cuteness. Trust me on that.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:27 p.m. CST

    Agent Johnson

    by hypnotron

    Believing a total fucking moron can become president...Is this a good thing?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:27 p.m. CST

    G100...from your lips to God's ears.

    by FlickaPoo

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:27 p.m. CST

    Agent Johnson

    by Cedar_Room

    don't live up to the American dumbass image. The person who runs our country is the Prime Minister - and gets elected in a much fairer and more democratic way than you elect your President.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:28 p.m. CST

    You appoint your Middle School classmates...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...LOL

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:29 p.m. CST

    subject changing again

    by dirtsandwich

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:29 p.m. CST

    Yeah,

    by Holy Hell

    but Obama's black. He's awesome, but semi-rural freaks just made some babies due to Palin's everylady performance. I hope he wins.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:29 p.m. CST

    Fuckin A G100

    by LaserPants

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Palin - Ameerikans!

    by Orionsangels

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Biden better kill this closing statement

    by StrokerX

    fo sho

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:30 p.m. CST

    telling our childrens children that moose hunting rocks

    by Orionsangels

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:30 p.m. CST

    fuck off Palin you smug condescending cunt

    by Cedar_Room

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:30 p.m. CST

    "Mainstream Media." YES!!! she got her whining in there

    by G100

    The Pibull Whines about the Media before they replay all her rambling. Nice!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Palin: Where in the Fuck is the Plan?!!!!

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    I still don't know what Maverick shit that they will engage in if they win!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:32 p.m. CST

    Well said Biden!!!

    by Orionsangels

    That was good, seriously

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:32 p.m. CST

    Why Can't Palin Answer ANY QUESTIONS?!!!!

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    Goose just went into ICEMAN's jetwash!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:32 p.m. CST

    About people loving Palin and Obama

    by DougMcKenzie

    Obama love is more about his personality and intelligence. People love Palin because of two points: 1) Pro-Life 2) Gun-Friendly. Two two simple points will get you a good 30% of the popular vote on those two principals alone. Alot of people on the right care about only those two issues alone. Economy..nah, Iraq... nah, Energy Policy... nah. Guns and abortion... absol-fucking lutely, Hoss. Honestly at this point if they flipped the Republican ticket they might have a better chance of winning.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:33 p.m. CST

    Palin

    by Holy Hell

    Wins. I bet Obama still pulls it out in the end, but things just got a lot more interesting.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:33 p.m. CST

    Biden has gotten some good populist stuff in though...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I'm not sure how this will play tomorrow. Palin lovers will still love her, but I'm not sure about Independents.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:33 p.m. CST

    YEAH!!!!!

    by StrokerX

    nice biden

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:33 p.m. CST

    Palin - "I'll get back to ya" Is Tuesday ok?

    by Orionsangels

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:33 p.m. CST

    Palin's in a flatspin, PULL the cord Maverick!

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:34 p.m. CST

    darn right, doggonit, hockey moms

    by Orionsangels

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:34 p.m. CST

    BIDEN FOR THE FUCKIN WIN

    by LaserPants

    Its done, MILF, better head on back to the moose huntin' ranch! DUH-HILT!!!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:35 p.m. CST

    How do you get a bad ankle sprain while doing research?

    by ProzacMorris

    That's worse than breaking your leg while playing chess?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:35 p.m. CST

    Biden Wins

    by StrokerX

    says me! right?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:35 p.m. CST

    Fox news gives it to Palin. MSNBC gives it to Biden

    by Orionsangels

    "I choose not to answer that."

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:36 p.m. CST

    leo

    by Holy Hell

    it WAS a great performance.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:37 p.m. CST

    Orionsangels

    by Cedar_Room

    I think we could have concluded that before the debate even started.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:37 p.m. CST

    Herc, you're an ass.

    by Tai_Pan

    For spreading rumors about Palin's personal beliefs and then ridiculing those faiths. I'm sure you don't have any beliefs that others might find ridiculous. But just to in case you do, would you mind sharing any so we may ridicule you? If not, maybe someone can supply some wholecloth to make you look stupid. It's a thinly vieled mystery why so many claim this website has been prejudicial and nasty towards the (admittedly poor) Republican candidates.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:38 p.m. CST

    Why is Palin's 4 year old midget holding a toddler?

    by Orionsangels

    WTF! Who lets a child that young walk around holding a baby?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:38 p.m. CST

    109 biden 57 palin

    by dirtsandwich

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:38 p.m. CST

    my wife - "you don't think she's beautiful?"

    by crankyoldguy

    uh, no honey, I really don't. Reasonably attractive, soccer momish? Sure. But he rvoice is grating and her homespun crapola is a load of crapola. And her facts were few, her talk of their "change" intangible. Reform what? Biden nailed (again) for me with the $250,000 money makers and above benefitting less from a plan than those below. Boo hoo for them. I could give a shit about their problems. Also, "I'm tolerant" she says. In a pig's eye. She fuckin' hates gays, atheists, agnostics, and liberals of every kind, there's no doubt.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:38 p.m. CST

    I was being sarcastic cedar

    by Orionsangels

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Palin Wins what the "ALSO" award for Robotic delivery?

    by G100

    Seriously get a fucking grip.<P> <p>She didn't take a dump on the stage but no-one could watch that and think, there is a President ready to lead in 2 intractable Wars and repair a shattered Economy.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:39 p.m. CST

    MSNBC said palin sounded like she was in a spelling bee

    by Orionsangels

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:40 p.m. CST

    PWNED!!

    by thebearovingian

    GOTCHA, BITCHES!!! You thought I was gonna say who!<p>I thought this debate was better than the Obama-McCain debate. Who won? Who cares? Did you hear anything new beyond the old talking points? Can't we do better than this? I mean, fuck, this is the Internet age. Bring some new and fresh and unaltered info to the table for Pete's sake!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:40 p.m. CST

    Tai

    by Holy Hell

    Beliefs? You mean antimodern accounting errors? Dinosaurs and people were contemporaneous?? Did they have air conditioning, too?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:41 p.m. CST

    the debate was set for talking points

    by bacci40

    and palin is great at giving talking points...prob is, not one thing that she said about her record was true...they dont have state taxes in alaska, so she did not cut taxes...she cut property taxes in wasilla, but weighed heavily to box stores...go look at pics of wasilla, the place is a mess...she left wasilla with a 20 mil deficit (she came in with a budget surplus) she has appointed hs friends to positions of power, irrespective of their experience...she appointed her sons gf to a commission on volunteerism, despite the fact that the girl is going off to school and doesnt have even the tiniest experience doing anything other then sitting on tracks white dick and snorting crank off his chest....the woman is a puppet...pray for america should mccain win

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:41 p.m. CST

    G100

    by Holy Hell

    Oh yes they could. Wait and see.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:42 p.m. CST

    I SPEAK AS A WOMAN

    by ScaryWaitress

    'cause I am one. If I wasn't so worried about the mess it would make, I would vomit. If ANYONE buys the shit she was spewing... I notice she didn't mention how her DECISION TO CHARGE RAPE VICTIMS IN HER STATE FOR THEIR RAPE KITS IN THE HOSPITAL wasn't mentioned. WAY TO STAND BEHIND THE PEOPLE, bitch. FUCK YOU and your winking-at-the-camera spiel. FUCK YOU. If this performance- PERFORMANCE- is all it takes to obscure the fact the FUCKING MCCAIN PULLED OUT OF MICHIGAN CAUSE THEY FUCKING LOST ALREADY, I'm not kidding. I am moving to Montreal. I hear they have FAB little theaters that show all KINDS of cool-ass shit that I don't get to see in bum-fuck New Jersey. I am astonished, after her bullshit Couric performance, she nailed this. ASTONISHED.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Orionsangels

    by Cedar_Room

    I thought you had the channels on. Whats the betting that, in fact, that IS the way they are spinning it?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:42 p.m. CST

    My wife once asked me that, too

    by ballyhoo

    back when she was first named the VP pick and everyone was talking this young attractive woman. I saw her and said, "No."

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:44 p.m. CST

    crankyoldguy...does your wife think you have suck low

    by bacci40

    standards? i am sure that one of the reasons you married your wife is because you guys can talk...ask her to think about spending 40 years with palin and that vapid sense of the world....

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Leave Fred Flinstone out of this !

    by G100

    Fred got on with Dinosaurs just fine.<p> <p>Besides, why would a potential President need to be well versed in the hard facts of Evolution, Biology, Modern Technology, Economics or Science in 2008?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Palin plays

    by Holy Hell

    in every semi-rural community from coast to coast, including Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin...

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:45 p.m. CST

    ABC are trying to Spin a Palin win!

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    Pathetic....

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Crankyoldguy...

    by ScaryWaitress

    She WOULD be beautiful... if she wasn't a hatehul harpy who thinks that Jesus demands that rape victims pay for their treatment and bear the children of their rapists, maybe. Maybe.... nah, I take it back. Her voice destroys any attractiveness she night have had. I would personally do Hillary before her. As a chick, and all.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Darfur

    by Holy Hell

    she DID win!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:49 p.m. CST

    Hey Agent Johnson...

    by ScaryWaitress

    you're wrong. If McCain-Palin gets in there, we are going to be deeper in the hole than we are now. Welcome to Creationism taught in schools and women being castigated if they happen to be victims of rape.... for starters. You're sticking your head WAY down there in the sand, buddy.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:49 p.m. CST

    Booyaah!!

    by EyeofPolyphemus

    Palin is going to be picking pieces of Biden's ass out of her high heels for a month.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:49 p.m. CST

    I'm hearing Congress don't have the votes for the Bailout

    by G100

    Amusing as this debate was, if they can't put the Bailout to a vote tomorrow because they think it will still get voted down and Wall Street gets wind of it...<p> <p>This little skirmish will be forgotten in a heartbeat never mind a week.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:50 p.m. CST

    Of course she won

    by sitchin

    She owned it.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:50 p.m. CST

    by Holy Hell

    "She won by not losing": A lot of people WANT to pull for her, and she gave them the opening.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:51 p.m. CST

    Holy Hell

    by ScaryWaitress

    no. She ended up breaking even. She is an accomplished test-taker, to be sure, but a record of cronyism in her own state is undeniable. We are in for more of the same with McCain-Palin, no doubt.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:52 p.m. CST

    But There Are More Voters In Urban Settings, Holy Hell,

    by LaserPants

    then rural ones. She so didn't come close to "win." Of course it wasn't a DISASTER like her last few interviews, but Biden laid up a slam dunk on MILFy-poo.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:53 p.m. CST

    Waitress

    by Holy Hell

    She stands for those things, and legitimizes them to a new degree, but the federal gov't will NOT bend to her will. There remains a diverse Congress to contend with, and those remain fringe issues even for Republicans.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:54 p.m. CST

    LOOKING BACKWARDS

    by ScaryWaitress

    Gotta love this new spin, what a load of SHEEEEEEIT. I mean, HOLY SHIT. The GOP fucks us up the ass for 8 years, and now "looking back" is a BAD THING???? Yeah, OK. What color is the sky in the Republican world???? (Watching MSNBC... full disclaimer)

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:54 p.m. CST

    palin was cool man

    by dioxholster

    she pawned him so bad...go palin Palin rules!!!!!!!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:55 p.m. CST

    He Knows What Evil Is!

    by LaserPants

    Thats right! He worked closely, and is all but indistinguishable from several of the most evil men on Earth -- Cheney, Bush, et al...

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:55 p.m. CST

    Waitress

    by Holy Hell

    I agree with you- I'm PrObama. But she played VERY well with alot of semi-ural folks across the country, especially the battleground. She picked up votes for the ticket tonight - just wait for the polls...

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:56 p.m. CST

    Nah Biden won

    by StrokerX

    Biden pooped on her face. Especially when asked if she can fill McCains shoes if he died. In no way did she prove she could do that.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:56 p.m. CST

    Holy Hell...

    by mbeemer

    "She stands for those things, and legitimizes them to a new degree, but the federal gov't will NOT bend to her will. There remains a diverse Congress to contend with, and those remain fringe issues even for Republicans."<p> This is a candidate that just "agreed" with Cheney that the VP has a wide range of powers (previously unexplored) under the constitution. She'll do whatever she can through decree and dare anyone to do anything about it, just like this administration has.

  • Don't matter anyway the base of both sides will claim victory.<p> <p>but also I also seriously also doubt Palin has also somehow reversed McCains poll decline with that performace... Also.<p> <p>We'll see next week though won't we ?<p> <p>And how exactly can she hide from the reporters NOW ? Also.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Would more majestic and highly progressive TBers

    by thebearovingian

    please even out the "Fuck You"s and the "Bitch"s and direct some towards Mr. Biden, please. Holy shit! Feel free to disagree with opposite political beliefs but for the sake of humanity, learn how to be civil. Isn't name calling and profanity-laced diatribes the calling card of someone who lost an argument/debate and doesn't have the mental capacity to end a situation that is going nowhere?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:59 p.m. CST

    DUDE, Holy Hell...

    by ScaryWaitress

    I'm arguing with actual fact. The spin is spin. I fear that it will have more play than I can imagine with dumb-fuck racist moron assholes all over this great nation... but my hope is that this will squash any rumors of her stepping down. WE NEED HER ON THIS TICKET, because she can't keep this recital up for four more weeks. She is a hot mess.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 9:59 p.m. CST

    by Holy Hell

    Palin will not make women give birth to babies in the instance of rape. She just won't be able to. Nor will she be able to force creationism into public schools. She gets those freaks to the table, and that's a bad thing longterm, but she will not wield the kind of power in which hyperbolic posters indulge.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Palin Lost by being Palin...wholly unqualified!

    by XoanonTORN

    Check out this Rolling Stone article on McCain's life:<p>http://tinyurl.com/3oje6n<p>Throughout the campaign this year, McCain has tried to make the contest about honor and character. His own writing gives us the standard by which he should be judged. "Always telling the truth in a political campaign," he writes in Worth the Fighting For, "is a great test of character." He adds: "Patriotism that only serves and never risks one's self-interest isn't patriotism at all. It's selfishness. That's a lesson worth relearning from time to time." It's a lesson, it would appear, that the candidate himself could stand to relearn. <p> "I'm sure John McCain loves his country," says Richard Clarke, the former counterterrorism czar under Bush. "But loving your country and lying to the American people are apparently not inconsistent in his view."<p>http://tinyurl.com/3oje6n<p>

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:01 p.m. CST

    thebearovingian

    by StrokerX

    i agree! like when i said biden pooped on her face...i totally take that back

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:01 p.m. CST

    She did well, but did not win

    by toadkillerdog

    She did not answer many questions, and fell back into her comfort zone - energy. Biden was on tonight, but he could have eviscerated her on a number of issues, but chose not to. That resulted in her being able to turn on the small town charm. She plays well on TV. I could not stand the winks and obvious evasions, but I think she shored up her base, and made no mistakes. She held her own, on her own terms. Biden showed the superior knowledge and debate ability. But in the end, it was a draw. And I do not think it will change the game in any direction. But at least it will keep McCain from slipping further - this week.<p> Goodbye Cubbies

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:02 p.m. CST

    No...

    by Holy Hell

    I want a better ticket, even for the republicans. Put Romney on the ticket - the GOP might win.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:02 p.m. CST

    Oh, and Holy...

    by ScaryWaitress

    Cheney has expanded the realm of the VP's influence considerably. She WILL have more influence than she should... and as a woman, I am TERRIFIED. She is a horror.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Thebearovingian....You DO Realize Where you are at?!!!

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    Welcome to the Jungle! But I agree let's keep this civil.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:04 p.m. CST

    Holy, my friend, we AGREE

    by ScaryWaitress

    Romney on the ticket would equal Republican victory. My one joy in this night's performance from Palin ensures that she will not be removed from the ticket. Romney is a no-go, Sarah recited well!!!!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Waitress

    by Holy Hell

    She'll be influential, no question. I don't want her there AT ALL. But I think the horror liberals are feeling is a bit overcooked.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Is Campbell Brown lickable or what?

    by dirtsandwich

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Agent Johnson...

    by ScaryWaitress

    you could not be more wrong. Bush hasn't been in control since 2001. He does a sweet softshoe, though...

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Palin WON!!!!!!!!!!

    by dioxholster

    im voting for mccain folks...why? well lets see...he got palin shes totally cool. shes like one of us unlike that elite guy with sunglasses

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Wait for the Vote tomorrow Johnson

    by G100

    Cause if that don't pass Wall Street will head south REAL fast.<p> <p>And I'm not denying she has an appeal to a certain demographic of Voters. But that demographic was shrinking for her before this debate and the Economy will dominate and overshadow even Obama and McCains next debate never mind this one.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:08 p.m. CST

    But Holy, the problem is...

    by ScaryWaitress

    the real horror the liberals are feeling really IS NOT about Palin (horrific as she may be) it's about McCain. He makes decisions from the gut and deals with the results later. Look at the LAST MOTHERFUCKING WEEK. He changes his position with the wind. He's WORSE than Bush, if that's possible. WORSE.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:08 p.m. CST

    Yeah-

    by Holy Hell

    but IF the GOP wins, I'd much prefer Romney. I'll never pray for an unqualified ticket because the likelihood my candidate would win improves. That's a karmic gamble I'm not prepared to take.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:09 p.m. CST

    PALIN KEPT HEAD ABOVE WATER. BIDEN? HE NAILED IT

    by BringingSexyBack

    With such a low bar to jump, I give Palin a lot of credit for not fainting on stage or speaking in tongues. She had a few speechless duh moments but semi-recovered. I won't slag her for that. Good job, Pastor Muthee. <p> But Biden nailed it. Not only gaffe-free, but totally on point, a fact machine, corrected Palin's lies, and dismantled McCain's maverick image down to the last brick. <p> Where Palin refused to answer a number of questions, he kept on topic and addressed every one. He was fearless on every topic where Palin just muddled or dodged through. That's what's important. And she made a major gaffe by NOT KNOWING what the VP's role is. Biden took her to school on the CONSTITUTIONALLY-DEFINED role of the VP. <p> Biden also had the best moment of the night - where he teared up. That had our personal judg-o-meters spiking through the roof. <p> Speaking of which, I was shocked by how many spikes through the roof Biden received on the CNN audience meter (as well as winning the CNN pundit polls 5 to 1). Palin definitely turned on the folksy high-falutin' elevated rhetoric, but it was Biden who managed to connect with the audience with a mix of idealistic language and solid facts and truths. <p> Good debate. Biden FTW

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:09 p.m. CST

    I know where I am BUT that doesn't change who I am

    by thebearovingian

    I'm civil. OK, I try to be civil. Even on the Internet. You know what they say about character...

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Dioxholster...

    by ScaryWaitress

    dude. Not cool. You will never get laid having said that... nto even if it's satire.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:11 p.m. CST

    I think..

    by Holy Hell

    Liberals are more incensed by Palin's antimodern platform (the whole rape/creationism/abortion/speaking-in-tongues business) rather than McCain's impulsiveness. Most liberals I know (and I know many) didn't fully freak until Sister Sarah parachuted in.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:12 p.m. CST

    ROMNEY DOESN'T EVEN LIKE DOGS

    by ScaryWaitress

    much less the middle class. He left his Irish setter in it's crate on the roof of the family car for a family trip... when the dog shat itself in terror, he stopped the car, hosed the dog down, AND KEPT GOING. He is a sadistic bastard. Look it up.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:13 p.m. CST

    BSB

    by toadkillerdog

    Yes, she blew it on the constitutionality of the V.P. role, but, I think that is so 'inside' washington, that it will barely register.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:13 p.m. CST

    She just got through her most stressful

    by dirtsandwich

    day. She will go home tonight and beast fuck Todd. She's gonna beat his ass and rip that dude's dick right off.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:14 p.m. CST

    Scary-

    by Holy Hell

    I wouldn't VOTE for Romney, I just think the country's affairs would be in less jeopardy with him than with Palin.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:15 p.m. CST

    PALIN IS A RED HERRING

    by ScaryWaitress

    those of us voting for Obama for the ISSUES know that McCain is more of the same, and is playing for the Boomer-"Greatest Generation" vote... which means that all of most of us on this board (I suspect...) for whom health-care is an elusive dream and the word "pension" is from a mythical time of yore will be SCREWED if McCain gets into office in January. Believe it.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:16 p.m. CST

    BTW Romney is one of the leading "Free Sarah" voices

    by G100

    And that COULDN'T POSSIBLY be him hoping she will put her foot in her mouth and freeing the field up for his 2012 run. Could it ?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Holy Hell - that is a great handle BTW

    by toadkillerdog

    Palin represents the type of conservative that Liberals are genetically programmed to hate/fear. Attractive, glib, personable, clueless. In short, the perfect storm. <p> I am an independant, and I find the Libs reaction very amusing.<p>

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:16 p.m. CST

    ScaryWaitress

    by dioxholster

    sure coz thats all i do, and that i got no brain at all just a penis-driven idiot. !!!thats my opinion that is unmotivated by fuckry.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:19 p.m. CST

    ScaryWaitress --Dog? So????

    by dioxholster

    its a dog so what i swear i never get pple like you, its a dog not treating pets like babies doesnt mean you are Satan okay!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:20 p.m. CST

    Holy Hell...

    by ScaryWaitress

    "What's your name" "George Stone" "Nah, what was it before yeh CHANGED IT?"

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Waitress

    by Holy Hell

    Explain. Me dumbfounded.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Dioxholster

    by ScaryWaitress

    I'm not one of those fucktards who believe in animals-before-people, but cruelty to animals is a bad sign. You do know they use that to determine whether someone might be a psychotic, right?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:25 p.m. CST

    Holy... it's the scene from Untouchables...

    by ScaryWaitress

    I thought you would get it. *sniff* The scene from Untouchables? Where Connery asks Garcia his name? Because he KNOWS he's changed it? Like I know you must be one of the ole guard, from before the ScriptGirl incident??? Just sayin...

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:29 p.m. CST

    by Holy Hell

    I've been Holy Hell since I signed up a like a year and a half ago. I don't know if that's a comfort or a disappointment to you, but there it is.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:29 p.m. CST

    SCARYWAITRESS

    by BringingSexyBack

    Not to throw gasoline on your fire, but Sarah Palin supported legislation offering a bounty of $150 per paw for every wolf killed. She enthusiastically supported aerial killing of defenseless wolves. <p> She also sued the Federal government to take the polar bears - who are drowning due to glaciers melting and turning to cannibalism because they are starving - off the endangered species list. She wants to remove protection for them. <p>

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:32 p.m. CST

    But BSB you are out of touch because you are not from Wassila

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Thanks Toad

    by Holy Hell

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:33 p.m. CST

    DOES A DOG HAVE A BEATING HEART?

    by BringingSexyBack

    Does a dog not cry when it's hurt? Does a dog not feel joy? Sorrow? A dog is one of God's creatures - to be cruel against a dog is to be cruel to God.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:35 p.m. CST

    debate reaction

    by ChezKing

    She did better than expected and surprisingly didn't stumble, but still came off very rehearsed and ignorant of some the points; repeating herself many times. She also has a tendency of creating a whirlwind of words taking a long time to make her point. I think that she does that when she's trying to think of an answer. Biden on the other hand was very succinct and clear. He seemed natural and real and most importantly knowledgeable. He engaged the moderator, audience and camera. She would only engage the camera and occasionally make that annoying wink. If you, still, after watching that debate, feel the McCain/Palin ticket is the right choice, then you are not voting for country first, you are only voting out of sheer foolish pride for your party. That's not what this or any election should be about. McCain is 72 years old. He could easily die in office, you cannot seriously believe she can handle the job. She wouldn't even be able to handle the job of VP much less President. The choice is clear.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:35 p.m. CST

    MuchAdoAboutNothing

    by tonytodd

    Ummm... in a reasonable world, there'd really be no super passionate "he won/she won" type reaction. They both just stuck to their talking points "Lets bring maverick reform to washington" and "McCain = Bush." I don't think anybody "won" because... well, it never felt like a debate. It just felt bland. The only people interested in making a stink or significance about this are the networks who want ratings.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:35 p.m. CST

    BSB-

    by Holy Hell

    I don't know if that's high irony, but if sincere I endorse your dog/God equation.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:35 p.m. CST

    BringingSexy...

    by ScaryWaitress

    LOVE that you brought all that up, but see, with Palin, it's so much easier to keep to HUMAN issues. SHE HATES WOMEN, she promotes middle-school classmates to positions they are WHOLLY unqualified for, and she DIDN'T HAVE A FUCKING PASSPORT until 2007. How any of this is not reaching the idiots in the heartland who think she's the bees' knees, is beyond me. ENTIRELY. She's abhorrent.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:36 p.m. CST

    FUCK WASILA UP ITS ASS

    by BringingSexyBack

    That's right I'm a fucking elitist. Cry me a fucking river Wasila!

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Goodnight all...

    by ScaryWaitress

    here endeth the lesson.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:37 p.m. CST

    Waitress

    by Holy Hell

    That's the stuff that IS reaching the heartland. That's exactly why she's resonating. I'm going to bed. Everybody get well soon.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:38 p.m. CST

    The stupid fuck wanted polar bears

    by dirtsandwich

    removed from the list because of a natural gas project. This bitch is dangerous and you republicunts want to give her more power and money? WTF! Her LOL (lack of logic) and mind set is the reason the world has problems. Greed and power. Her type is the worst the planet has seen.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:39 p.m. CST

    HOLY HELL

    by BringingSexyBack

    I started typing it as irony but ended up feeling strong empathy for said dog. It ain't easy being Liberal what can I tell ya.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:40 p.m. CST

    BSB and Scarywaitress

    by dioxholster

    there are more important things at stake than dogs feeling sad and lonely alright? okay now.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:43 p.m. CST

    Where was this BLOOD BATH?

    by Samus Aran

    She nailed this one. <P> As long as I can remember you guys have been eagerly anticipating this debate, proclaiming how horribly Biden was going to show her up. Why was that? I really never understood why except for the fact that he had so many more years of experience. <P> The poll numbers on McCain have been dropping and I believe mostly because of Palin's "poor" performance on Gibson and Couric. <P> I just finished watching Olberman meekly trying to deny Palin her victory, which was more of an admission than I EVER expected from him. <P> And now I look on this thread and see some of that same meekness. <P> I am saying this is a game changer. Those poll numbers are coming back up now, because they were based on unfair assesments of her ability to handle herself. I knew it was true. <P> And a part of me believes that she might actually have known what the Bush Doctrine is because her response suggested that she understood what a broad and unspecific question Charlie Gibson was offering her. Charlie Gibson then played "Gotcha" by describing a fraction of the bush doctrine, and not the whole bush doctrine. There exists no proof that she didn't know what it was, but I believe I see proof that Charlie Gibson did not know what it was. Then afterwards as the throngs of comedians and commentators made fun of her for not knowing what the bush doctrine was- they demonstrated their fractional knowledge of what it was by defining it exactly as Gibson had. Palin could not of course come forth and defend herself because it was too late- everyone was now convinced that she hadn't known, and nothing she could say from this point would EVER change their mind now. I however think she may have actually known. <P> Anyway, it doesn't matter too much, because she did so much better in this debate than all the democrats thought she would, and now they have no choice if they want to be intellectually honest but to admit she did FAR better than they ever gave her credit for. <P> It makes me happy to see a normal person do well in the world and represent normal people.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:43 p.m. CST

    SCARYWAITRESS - BEFORE YOU GO ...

    by BringingSexyBack

    Watch this video and take comfort (keep an eye on the elderly couple in the middle): <p> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTkqosRiyYo

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:47 p.m. CST

    Palin smoked some major pole....

    by Bunger!

    and she came off looking like a freshman sorority pledge at the end of rush week; sweaty, covered with the discharge of an older and wiser man, and deep in the dignity defecit.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:48 p.m. CST

    SAMUS

    by BringingSexyBack

    I, for one, distinctly said she had the ability to stop her own bleeding with a fair performance tonight. She accomplished that. <p> Did she convince anyone she's ready to be President-in-waiting? Not by a long shot.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:48 p.m. CST

    So dogs dont have a right to exist

    by Phategod2

    If that's true what the fuck is Micheal Vick in prison for?

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:48 p.m. CST

    anyway dogs are yammy!

    by dioxholster

    thats what my Chinese friend says

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:53 p.m. CST

    animals arent pokemons

    by dioxholster

    oh wait what did i mean by that. man thats a thinker.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:54 p.m. CST

    BringingSexyBack

    by Samus Aran

    Good, yes bleeding did stop. I think McCains poll numbers are going up from here. I'm glad to see that you were watching the same debate I was.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:54 p.m. CST

    *wink* MAVERICK! *wink*

    by wash

    DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:57 p.m. CST

    I BET PALIN FEELS NOTHING BUT UTTER DISGUST

    by BringingSexyBack

    watching a seeing-eye dog guide a blind person, giving that person not only freedom to navigate our beautiful world, but giving unconditional love - love that we find hard to give each other.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 10:57 p.m. CST

    Why do we have to worship dogs and cats...

    by dioxholster

    give it a rest...zero pets in the future thats what im voting for. filthy little buggers and baby-eating puppies, and weird freaky looking lazy cats and ass licking dogs and scratchy dont-give-a-fuck cats, and humping dogs and i-shit-everywhere-coz-i-said-so dogs....and the list goes on.

  • Oct. 2, 2008, 11 p.m. CST

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