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The Young Dick Grayson Chronicles!! CW Developing Series Based On The Early Days Of Batman’s Sidekick!!
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What was The Boy Wonder up to before he hooked up with Bruce Wayne?
New "Smallville" showrunners Kelly Souders and Brian Peterson are teaming with producer McG ("Chuck," "Supernatural") for "The Graysons."
Presumably Dick and his parents get into all sorts of exciting adventures when they're not swinging on the trapeze.
It's thought to be a possible replacement for "Smallville" should its eighth season prove its last.
Find all of Variety’s story on the matter here.
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this sounds gayer than everything else.
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not as gay as first posters.
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I always thought that an Angel-type show about Grayson/Nightwing in Bludhaven would be awesome.
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That's all I got. Sounds sucky.
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Graaaaaaaaaaaaaaayson!
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Thoughts?
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Oct 01, 2008 12:01:58 AM CDT
So by the end he's already with Batman but the parents are alive
by tallboy66
So they die in the final episode and he finally puts on the Robin suit. 8 fucking years of will he or won't he. Yeah, uh, no thanks.
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Its all about Bruce Wayne's "ward" Dick in speedoes and elf shoes who lives in his crime-lab / fetish dungeon.
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It seems like a no brainer. More stories like the best one in Gotham Knight. Bruce traveling the world being trained for his return home.
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Go younger than that and you're looking at a show about a young trapeze artist growing up in the circus. Back to the drawing board with a fresh latte chums.
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RE-GODDAMN-DICULOUS!Really? Young Dick Grayson having "adventures" with his mom and dad? It won't last as long as Tarzan or Birds of Prey.
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What a lame idea.
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But a Bruce Wayne series would be better.
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McG. The man behind "The Next Pussycat Doll".
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That actually is'nt half bad. I'd love to see a show about a young Alfred working as a spy. It's got to be better than this bullshit sounds.
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"Ooohh...no bars..."
Family Guy I could kiss you. But I won't.
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....is this a Saturday morning show?
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That's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. Who the fuck cares about Robin?
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Bruce trained with ninjas and swamis and kung fu masters. Yeah, let's make a movie about Dick.
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lots of dramatic run-ins with social services about why an under-age kid is being chucked around on a trapeze, rather than being in school or something?
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"Sure, Mr.Wayne, I'd like to see your batpole!"
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and find a 27 year old to play the 12 year old Dick. I'd rather see a show about Supergirl. On mute.
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no thanks
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When are the suits going to understand that deep backstory on superheroes just doesn't work. We like them when they ARE superheroes! I watched the first few seasons of Smallville but then left for good when I heard that he would never get the suit. I can see the sweeps episode for The Greysons already... a dark figure with a cape watches from atop the circus tent, hiding in the shadows (cue geek drool)...and then that's it. Why not just make a Robin show??? Or Batgirl??? Ratings would be through the roof!
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I assume so....
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So there isnt a better DC property to explore instead of Robin "superboy" style ?
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And try to pass him/her off as a teenager?
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what the hell was Teen Titans? How many times must something be "reinvented" before people stop caring? Do they want the Batman franchise to go downhill like Star Wars?
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Oct 01, 2008 2:33:33 AM CDT
Uh, no? How exactly could that possibly make any sense?
by namasteandgoodluck
Dick Grayson was a child when Falcone's men sabotaged their act and killed his parents...how could this show possibly make any fucking sense?
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seriously, wtf?
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This idea has a shelf life. He becomes Robin when teamed with Batman. Anything beforehand is just a kid swinging on a trapeze. Dumb. Don't do it or i will buy a plane ticket, fly to America, track you down and slap you in the head!
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Untill you've seen him unmasked.Sounds TERRABLE ON EPIC LEVELS.
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Oct 01, 2008 3:14:24 AM CDT
If you want to do superhero shows, why not just do a superhero s
by prezmike
Stop making shows about these pre-superhero days shows already. Just pick a lesser known DC character and do a show on him/her (unlike Clark Kent, who outside of geekdom knows Dick Grayson was the first Robin anyway?). Smallville is really just a Superman show anyway (Facing off with Luthor, Lana out of the picture, Justice League, flirting with Lois, and I mean, Doomsday? Really?) What's so interesting about Dick Grayson in his circus years? If you want non-superpowered characaters (to save budget?), maybe do someone like The Question, etc.
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Really bad.
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CW executives not content with destroying a good part of the Superman canon and continuity it not wants to turn its destructive hands to the Bat mythos. Thee is no cats chance in hell that a decetn series about The Graysons would be viable. The point about the Graysons back stroy is that we are not supposed to know it. That is part of the tragedy. The fact that Dick cant really proclaim to his family that he is doing good in the world since they are dead. Leave well the fuck alone CW! This is a series TOO far
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Season 1+2: Dick is an ordinary schoolkid who starts displaying AMAZING ACROBAT POWERS (like the ability to make PDF files). He uses these to capture/thwart a variety of other kids who mysteriously also have AMAZING POWERS.
Season 3: Dick discovers that all this time he's been an Acrobat, and his parents are Acrobats too. He's forced to choose between a normal life and returning to the circus.
Season 4: As punishment for returning to the circus, Dick's AMAZING ACROBAT POWERS are taken away from him by the Ringmaster, only to be returned almost immediately because the show without them is boring as all hell.
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Oct 01, 2008 4:30:47 AM CDT
Though I like it in principle there is a big problem.....
by a for aristocrat
The biggest thing in Batman and Robin is the father son relationship. If they do a smallville and end it with him joining Batman when he is 18 then whats the point? I said it before they should spin off a robin franchise and model it like Harry Potter. Do a lighter more fantastic Robin begins movie then a hard core year one Nolan movie without Robin. Different takes on the concept. I love the character but this could be scary (though I will give it a chance if McG is behind it).
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The only way to make this work is to just present it as young Dick living with Bruce but not yet groomed into Robin. Show Bruce begin to train him, etc while Dick goes to junior high or whatever. Have him start to learn Bruce's secret. DO THAT and you have a show.
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Dick Grayson/NightWing post TEEN TITANS would rock the CW!
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This will suck HARDER than Smallville.
So, erm...you're in a trapeze act you say? Hmm...oh dear your parents are dead - here, go live with Bruce Wayne.
The end.
Totally pointless show.
Didn't they learn anything from Birds of Prey?
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I wanted to say something really witty and sarcastic here. Y'know, suggest an "early days" DC superhero property that would be even more ridiculous than this one... but... I'm at a loss...
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Terrible idea.
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doubt this show will either.
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"The Graysons"???
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Was actually the original idea that got morphed into "Smallville," because presumably some of the suits preferred that they do it with Supes rather than Bats (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/4946 ).
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With him training to be Batman with all the masters, globe trotting and everything would be cooler.
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http://www.syfyportal.com/news425418.html
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And his travels around the world? Bruce trains for a good ten years before he his batman so you can squeeze out a good 8 seasons before people get pissy about him not putting on the cowl....
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Oct 01, 2008 7:23:38 AM CDT
I guess the issue with Young Bruce would be oversaturation
by themikejonas
Back in '99, the problem seemed to be that they were really gunning to reboot the Batman movie franchise, and felt that a Young Bruce series would be detrimental to that effort; Superman was less visible at the time, and the new Superman movie was in development hell, so "Smallville" seemed the more viable idea. This time around, though, we've got Bale, we've got the Justice League: Mortal Batman, we've got animated Batman--I could imagine that the suits might hesitate to add yet another Bruce Wayne incarnation to the current mix. But since there's no Dick in any of the current/near future Batmen, a Grayson series could keep things in the family without frustrating us further with a third concurrent live-action interpretation of Bruce.
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American tv is really bankrupt in creativity at the moment isn't it? In addition to 1001 police shows, the American channels are currently offering it's citizens (and the outside world) shows ripped from The X-Men ("Heroes"), a thinly veiled copycat of The X-Files ("Fringe"), shows based on other shows from across the seas ("Worst Week", "The Office" etc) and now a clone of its own "Smallville", substituting Robin for Superman.You can just imagine the creators sitting around, staring first at their Smallville boxsets and then at a Dark Knight poster and thinking "Kaching!"
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in the picture of the comic above does it look like Batman was swinging through the city past the gay pride parade and one of the participants jumped in front of the camera just as the picture was being caught? You mean, the man who was trying to stick a rubber fist in my anus was a homosexual? BTW, this sounds just horrible, like pre-apocalyptic, prophetic, end-times awful. Having said that, I'll probably catch the premiere. Damn my empty schedule!
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Ahhh, you beat me to mentioning that there was a BRUCE WAYNE series in development. IIRC, they had developed a list on single-sentence episode ideas, one of which was called "Smallville." The WB passed on WAYNE but took the Smallville idea to some other producers to develop. The BRUCE WAYNE people subsequently sued and won.
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apart from swing on a trapeze in a gay monkey suit?
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that some suits suggest changing his name cuz they don't want a main character named "Dick"?
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Named after the suit who thought this idea up, of course.
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Kind of been done to death, haven't they?
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..."Oh no! Flippy the Clown has been stealing the gate money from the Big Top... I'll use my acrobatic skills to stop him!" I guess he could run across the Trickster, Heatwave or Elongated Man since they were also once circus acts, but even those tie-ins seem kinda lame, don't they?
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quite like robotic puppies, gay Robin jokes never get old, I say! But, if he covered his legs a little bit we'd have less ammo.
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A Question series, especially based on Denny O'Neil's run from the 90s and not the conspiracy-obsessed animated version, would be great. The closest we have to something like that is LIFE, with the star having some of Vic Sage's Zen-like attitude and keen deductive skills.
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a Supernatural spinoff!?! Sam and Dean when they were children. Call it "Supernatural: The Early Years" Pilot: It turns out some demons have hijacked the heads of television stations and are airing terrible shite in order to terrorize and torture humanity. Sam and Dean and Daddy Winchester must stop them before it's too late.
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But, on second thought, it'd be the funniest show on TV. Not intentionally, but it would be unintentionally hilarious.
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What's the betting the role will end up being played by that wierd looking boy/man/hybrid/thing Zac Efron?
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...with Green Arrow, Black Canary, Martian Manhunter, Aquaman, Impulse and Cyborg?
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Wow.
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Like when the boys from South Park were watching test shows (Alabama Man was the best one)... they would react to this as, gay, totally gay...
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Do everyone a favor producers of the world. Any idea starting with "Young" that crosses your desk? SHRED IT.
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A series on the early crime life of
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Oh dear. Grayson or Todd or whoever, have they forgotten that people once voted to kill him off?
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I think it'd be amusing to see if they could do a worse job with Harvey Dent turning into Two Face than The Dark Knight did.
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because it's on FOX and it's awesome... fucking hate FOX.
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this is a stupid idea
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Oct 01, 2008 8:34:38 AM CDT
So instead of a kickass NIGHTWING series we get THE HALY CIRCUS?
by spyguy
TONIGHT ON THE CW: Young Dick Grayson helps scoop up poop from Jumbo the Elephant until he discovers a secret clown conspiracy threatening the Haly Circus. Meanwhile, off in an imaginary TV show you'll never get to see, Bruce Wayne is training to be Batman.
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This is simply fucking over the character's backstory in ways that will make "Smallville" look like Siegel and Shuster.
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Oct 01, 2008 8:43:05 AM CDT
DIck Grayson was EIGHT YEARS OLD when his parents got killed...
by galactic
If you want 8 years of "The Graysons" you're gonna have to start the show with him as a BABY... yeah that should be fun, lil baby Robin, doing backflips as an infant. Or just be completely ignorant of the Batman canon, which will probably happen.
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When an attractive bearded lady comes to town, Dick lets his dick do the talking... only to ignore the hot juggler named Alice who pines for him.
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Dick in comic continuity would have to pretty damn young in this series, and its not like this could possibly last very long because if Dick grows up then the inevitable brush with The Caped Crusader kind of loses its Batman & Son Quality...and calling him DJ is kinda stupid...but that being said, I really like that WB is giving this character something. I am a fan of Robin, especially the Dark Victory Jeph Loeb Tim Sale stuff, and I think he could be treated realistically in even a Nolan film and be made to work, but Nolans said he wont use the character, so maybe 'Little Dick' is the closest we're going to get... and P.S. You know some Batman villians are going to show up...maybe sidekicks of the villians...maybe Harley will infiltrate the circus as a clown?
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Always been a huge fan of the Batman and Robin mythos, and this could work if conceived correctly. You could skew Dick's age a little older, for instance (never made sense for him to become Robin at 12 years old anyway...more like 16).
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Not so. I like Smallville and Heroes, two shows that I'm constantly told suck and I'm stupid for liking... but this sounds terrible. Robin's history is tied up with Batman - skewering that will turn him into just another character, which is insane. If they want to do a Smallville style show, why not just do a Flash one? Gallner is up for the role, he's already established, and it'd be tonally different to Smallville.
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I don't think I could be any less interested in this premise. Who is asking for this? What is the target demographic?
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You may be right, you may be wrong. I'd just say that there's not enough to go on here in the way of details to definitively state that this would be "terrible". And really, as a fellow Smallville viewer, couldn't you at least envision the idea of Grayson having some interesting adventures prior to meeting Batman?
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Hey, I'll watch this regardless. I don't think it'll be good, and I don't see how it can work (Smallville, at least, is a loose take on Superman canon), but the bare minimum is that we get another comic-book show on TV. Even if it sucks, it's a good sign that more properties will turn to live-action.
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is one about Dick Grayson's life after he parts ways with batman but before he becomes nightwing. I realize that's sort of like a cross between Smallville and Birds of Prey but i think it would work and be cool.
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Karma -- She is such the cruel mistress sometimes.
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...JUST MAKE A FUCKING SUPERHERO SHOW. Find somebody with talent to run it, pick a character whose overall premise isn't too ridiculous, put him in costume, make the core elements more or less true to the comic book and DO IT ALREADY. I'm not ready for eight years of Dick almost-but-not-quite putting on a costume. Or sort of meeting Batman villains or supporting cast who almost-but-not-quite put on the costume themselves. I'm not ready for another eight years of late teen/early 20something angst, with the latest one-shot hit from some pussy emo band playing in the background during the almost-but-not-quite kissing scenes. I'm not ready for eight years of some 20something actor (when it starts, at least) playing a teenager. JUST DO A SHOW ABOUT A COMIC BOOK CHARACTER.
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A reality show about how Warner Bros. basterdized all their DC properties.
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Oct 01, 2008 9:16:45 AM CDT
lemme get this straight: you're refusing to show me your powers?
by zeke25:17
"Well, it's a bit more complicated than tha-- "SIIIIIIIIIIDEKIIIICK!"...Sorry, parts of "Sky High" just stick with ya.
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With Rosie O'Donell playing the gay sister.
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Would've made an excellent series.
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DISROBIN'
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There's your show. Young Wally idolizes his uncle, then meets him, gets powers of his own...
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But then the movie didn't do as well as expected. Too bad, but I guess this would have been turned into a typical lame Disney Channel Sitcom anyway. (Except when Schooley and McCorkle would have produced it.)
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Yeah, give us Nightwing - make it somewhat like Angel, with some grim plots, but still plenty of dry humor. Didn't they have Dick either at the Police Academy or as a cop in the comics at some point, that could work...
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Of all the characters to do an "early years" version of, Robin would appear to be the most retarded, seeing as how his story already IS his early years...
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...and let the same guy take on the Justice League Batman role. And Welling as Superman. Avoids the problem of having a million different portrayals of the same characters...
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Who in the sweet name of Stan Lee thought that this was a good fucking idea? "Robin: The Fetus Chronicles" is completely fucked right from the start. How do you do a prequel show about a character that doesn't get interesting until he's ten? How old is he going to be in the pilot? Three? Four? This is beyond retarded. Smallville started off as a decent idea and became dirivative as time made continuity an issue. This show is a big "fuck you" to continuity right from the beginning. This is dumber than balls. I don't agree, however, that we are in a creative slump on television. I simply think that all of the best shows are on basic and premium networks with very little worth watching on network television.
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Huh?
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WHERE?
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Seriously. This is like the Schumacher crap where Dick Grayson is, like, 25 years old when his parents get killed.
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Oh wait.
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I could see an episode of Smallville having the Grayson Family and their trapeze act coming to Metropolis in a cameo, but not an entire show about the Graysons who die with Dick is just a boy still. Not seeing it CW/WB/ or whoever...
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Oct 01, 2008 10:32:19 AM CDT
network is not allowed to use bruce or batman on TV yet
by theycallmemrglass
Thats why Bruce never appears on Smallville (the writers always wanted to have him). Because WB wants to protect the Batman movie franchise and is afraid any live action TV Batman interpretation will affect. The same goes for Clark Kent actually becoming Superman on Smallville, WB wont let it happen. So thats why we have grayson instead. Its fucking horrendous situation, I know. This is what I call real fuck you in the ass suppression on writers creativity. Fucked up. Thank god, the animation department had more freedom on their output and as a result, WB comic book cartoons have all been spectacularly great.
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Stan Lee belongs to the Marvel universe, dude. Perhaps Stan Lee thought up the idea indeed to fuck up the DCiverce.
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But this seems so stupid.
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I give it one season before cancellation, and that's being generous. I mean really, who the hell is interested in watching a show about the young Dick Grayson?? Or any show about Robin, lamest of all sidekicks? Still, if they call it Young Dick, it will bring in that all important pedophile demographic.
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I know naming a character Dick isn't exactly cool these days, but what about his full name Richard? A little bit stuffy perhaps, but certainly better than "DJ"...
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...gwat a pece of chit, meng.
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Like that Patton Oswalt bit...
Would you like some ice cream? Well here's a big bag of rock salt!
We don't care where the stuff we like comes from, we just like the stuff we like.
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I bet they change his first name. "Dick" will not focus group very well...Unless they plan to air this on LOGO.
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Didn't they learn their lesson after the terrible "Birds of Prey" shit fest? Exceot of that one hot chick, the show sucked. The Graysons will make Knight-Rider look good. Kill it now. Do a show about a young Bruce Wayne in training...call it "Gotham".
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Killer Moth
King Tut
Egghead
Cluemaster
Fanboys -
get on it, CW!
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Opening scene = a look inside Ms. Grayson's womb.
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Then make an Alfred spinoff! He can decapitate bitches with dinner trays. Anything but this...
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...lol. Isn't it redundant to use both "pussy" and "emo" in the same sentence? Good one, tho, Nihilist!
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The title is a lock.
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I echo your sentiments Shermdawg.
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Faggot-assed-faggot!
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but more them likely it will be like smallville. so bad i have to watch
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Dick Grayson,unbeknownst to his parents,is being stalked by a smelly,sleazy alcoholic clown.Dick solves the problem by spinning around and kicking the sleazy clown in the nuts,thus psychologically preparing him for his future encounters with the Joker. :p
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He got half of his face blown off and his girlfriend blew up. What more do you want for a guy to go psycho? I thought he was very well developed and the transformation seemed perfectly natural. Dark Knight bashing is purely for shock value and nothing else.
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You could start the series with a 18 year old, he could start on his own in Bludhaven, you can do a 2 minute set up with him leaving Batman. Much more potential and it leaves Batman out for that stupid WB mandate.
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No one wants to see Robin in the movies (except me cause I think there is a real need for him) but the CW thinks a series staring him and his family will be interesting?
Yeah no.
Make a Green Arrow, Justice League or Kara spin-off before "The Graysons".
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this website is made up of geeks who would watch geeky shows like Smallville and enjoy it...but not one positive thing was said in this talk back. NO ONE wants this. itll get tested in front of an audience who will all think its shit and never get off the ground.
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america is useless.
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new adventures of old sarah essen
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would be a much better show. I am sure the cops in that town have always had some crazy cases to solve.
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Blue Beetle & Booster Gold doing their own thing outside the Justice League. It could be the Super-Seinfeld if done correctly.
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That could be very, very creepy.
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There doesn't seem like there's much you can do with a Grayson series but that being said, I'll be watching it because I'm a bat-fanatic. And it's always good to see more comic book properties get developed, anyway. On the chance that CW execs are trolling the talkback, my vote is for a Nightwing series. In terms they might understand, Nightwing has the humour of Spider-man and the badassery of Batman. You've got the great underlying theme of trying to live up to your mentor and potential for a great ensemble, including Barbara Gordon. Tie it in with the feel of The Dark Knight by having the look more in line with CSI:NY or something rather than Dawson's Creek (Smallville).
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the next batman movie, the one after dark knight should have Robin as a woman who dresses up as a guy and calls herself/himself robin as an alter ego, cool right? robin will help batman catch catwoman...get it.
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There is no way the character in a Robin series is going to be 8 years old. He will be a typical WB teen DawsonOC210 kid. Starting Robin as a late teen doesnt work. However, Do a Nightwing series. Get some of those extreme jumpers, an acrobat or two, a good martial artist. They could pass in a good costume. You could still have a 90210 actor since the age would be right and could have 10 years history as Robin. The Nightwing/Batman rift years takes Batman out and adds drama. You have a built in love interest in Barbara Gordon. You can still have Alfred and maybe even Tim Drake later. Its a perfect setup. The best scenerio for DG chronicles is that if it even makes it to series it will last one year and hopefully they could end it with a Batman adoption.
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...what the hell are you thinking, being so stingy with your flagship characters? Do you honestly believe people won't want to see these characters in two different media at the same time? Do you really, REALLY believe that somebody would've skipped the last few "Batman" movies just because a young Bruce Wayne showed up in "Smallville?" Do you honestly think the moviegoing public would've said "well, I've had my fill of the Batman universe because the bat-villains were used in those last few seasons of 'Justice League Unlimited,' I have no need to see any of them used in movies?" DO YOU ACTUALLY THINK YOU WOULD HAVE SOLD ONE LESS MOVIE TICKET IF YOU HAD ALLOWED THESE CHARACTERS ON THE SMALL SCREEN? In spite of the fact that the "Beavis and Butthead Movie," "The Simpsons Movie" and the first "X-Files Movie" certainly seemed to do well enough in the theater, despite the fact that they both had the source material television shows running at the same time? Jesus, Hollywood really IS full of retards.
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Oct 01, 2008 5:03:15 PM CDT
DC properties I'd rather see on TV (a comprehensive list)
by johnny smith
Hamilton M.D., starring Hugh Laurie as STAR scientist Doctor Emil Hamilton. Battlestar Galatea, a JLU spin-off about Power Girl. Everybody Hates Krypto. Law & Order: Holy Shit, That Lawyer's Two-Face. Destination Truth: The Search for Hawkman's Current Continuity. Ursa's new Lifetime series, Kryptonian Army Wives. Are You Smarter Than a Parademon? Survivor: The Homelands, wherein various residents of Fabletown are sent back home to survive as best they can. Who Wants to Be a Member of the Legion of Superheroes? Firestar Trek. And dump the current cast and make Pushing Daisies a show about Ted Kord, Vic Sage, Bart Allen and J'onn J'onzz.
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Firestar's Marvel...eep.
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Oct 01, 2008 5:56:17 PM CDT
Wait, it's about THE GRAYSONS?!?!?!!! I'd rather get an IMPULSE
by drath
Are you kidding me? A whole series based on Dick Grayson BEFORE his story actually starts? It was stupid to do that with Superman, but it's even dumber to do that with a pre-Robin Dick Grayson. What, is this based on the Batman Forever version where Dick Grayson was pushing 30 when he was "orphaned" and then adopted by Bruce Wayne? I'm sorry, I'm actually a fan of Nightwing, Tim Drake, and the whole Death in the Family saga (which would kick ass in the Nolan-verse too), but more of Smallville's lame brand of DC superheroics would be totally unwelcome, particularly with THIS character. I'd rather see Kyle Gallner in an IMPULSE series honestly, that poor kid is currently doomed to playing young psychopaths.
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This is a horrible idea for a show. There's no comparison to the Superboy, ahem, Smallville concept. Clark Kent was always a superpowered alien. Dick Grayson, before his parents are killed, is nothing! Would they do a drama about a circus boy if it wasn't Robin? No? Then don't do this!
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What an asinine idea to call him "DJ" Grayson. Yes, I know the negative connotations of "Dick", but what was wrong with "Richard"? "DJ" sounds so fake and stupid. Friends could call him "G" for instance ... anything but DJ.
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It makes Birds of Prey sound like the greatest story ever told.
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bravo sir. Law & Order: Holy Shit, That Lawyer is Two-Face made me laugh very damn hard.
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The Graysons sound like a terrible idea. only way i'd watch a show about a goddamn circus family of any kind is if it's like the movie Freaks.
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There's a show about circus families with an actual fucking story.
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Dick Grayson won't be in any Nolan Batman movies.
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but because it was a dark show, and circus folk don't seem all that strange in a Depression-era Dust Bowl setting. but a family-friendly kind of show about circus folk in 2008? it just seems weirder. i don't know anyone whose been to a circus in the last 15 or so years, especially in the age of television, movies, and the internet. why go to a tent to watch tigers jump hoops when you can watch video of a girl shit into a cup and another girl eat it from the comfort of your own home?
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A story that follows the early years of a young Alfred the butler and his many adventures being sub-servient to asshole rich people. It can be called "Who gives a Shit?"
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However, the talkbacks have given me a LOT of laughs. And geez. There are definitely some great series ideas floating around this tb as well. The Question, Nightwing:Bludhaven, Blue and Gold, Alfred MI:6. I'd watch any of these shows (if done right and with respect for the property). I never watched Birds of Prey because of that very reason. These mooks who are in charge do not understand that we don`t want a reimagining of beloved characters. I agree with Nhilist. Take an underused character who already HAS potential, put him in a costume and tell his or her stories like you are telling a CSI story. Don`t pander to demographics, just tell stories. GOOD stories. And be faithful to the characters you are using.
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Seriously. Do a show about how Tim Drake handles school, girls, his parents, etc, while he's gallavanting as Robin at night - BUT DON'T EVER SHOW HIM IN COSTUME. Just sorta hint at it. I always found Tim Drake to have the most potential as an interesting Robin because he was trying to live a "normal" life while also training to be Robin. That could make a really interesting series. It might even be a neat vehicle for getting Michael Keaton back into the role of Bruce Wayne - again, NEVER showing him in the Batsuit. It would be like watching Wayne and Drake from the point of view of how others (who don't know they're Batman and Robin) would see them.
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The early years, would be more interesting than `The Graysons`. But it might be difficult to get the rights.
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If they need to brand it then call it Robin. Give him the bad ass new costume and put him in BludHaven. Not much more you have to do. Oh and DJ is ridiculous. At the very least he would be RJ.
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Mercy Reef? Birds of Prey? (God that was all shades of awful)
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Grayson
http://download.theforce.net/theater/nonsw/grayson/grayson_new_large.mov ( 55MB glorious quicktime etc etc )
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I disagree. The comic-book execution (acid in the face) may be far sillier, but it was executed better. Two-Face works in the comic-books because there's a slightly goofy quality to even the best stuff, but trying to ground that in a realistic film world just doesn't work. Having to find a real-world origin for him led to exactly the same mistakes that they didn't make with The Joker (who rocked because there was no attempt to explain how he did half the stuff he did.)
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Will they get Mickey Dolenz to play his granpa?
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Just curious, and in a curious way (not a sarcastic, I-think-you're-wrong way), but what mistakes do you think Dark Knight made in executing Two-Face? I've never been a big Batman reader, so all I have for comparison are Tommy Lee Jones' Two-Face and the cartoon Two-Face. And, like Episode 3 when compared to Episodes 1 &2, I thought the Dark Knight's Two Face was great when placed next to the others I'd seen. But, I suppose a Batman comics fan may have more of a perspective.
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It can only go until he's what... 13? At the most? So we cast an infant and hope the audience can wait? Do a Nightwing show. Hype up the separation between Nightwing and Batman, put a chip on his shoulder and do a show about a guy who's a world class hero and a cop. This isn't hard, folks.
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They should cast Summer Glau as young CatGirl and do a series around that. She's gonna need the work after the Terminator series gets cancelled anyway !
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I'd say my core problem is that Two-Face, in the film, is one-dimensional. There's that great Harvey Dent stuff where he shows shades of grey, and then he goes full-blown evil. I know why they do it thematically, but I think it loses the contradictions of the comic-book, where you get the sense that Harvey CAN be saved. In the film, they never sell that he's capable of redemption - and, to make things worse, there's a lack of vitality there. I don't think Tommy Lee Jones nails it either, but he's so full of crazy life that you can buy he's gone over the edge. The Dark Knight doesn't sell that really, because they demand Eckhart underplay it.
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I'd say my core problem is that Two-Face, in the film, is one-dimensional. There's that great Harvey Dent stuff where he shows shades of grey, and then he goes full-blown evil. I know why they do it thematically, but I think it loses the contradictions of the comic-book, where you get the sense that Harvey CAN be saved. In the film, they never sell that he's capable of redemption - and, to make things worse, there's a lack of vitality there. I don't think Tommy Lee Jones nails it either, but he's so full of crazy life that you can buy he's gone over the edge. The Dark Knight doesn't sell that really, because they demand Eckhart underplay it.
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This is WB's answer to John Fiorella's "GRAYSON" pitch. Except without anything COOL. WB exec: I got it! Lose the badass throwing punches, and anything intriguing and load it full of teens falling in love. GOLD!
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Yep, this sounds like a real winner. I'm now eagerly awaiting the Jimmy Olsen in middle school series. So if this should actually become popular, I suppose it will follow Smallville's formula and have Dick Grayson end up in his early thirties but still not be Robin and his parents still both alive. Of course then he will be known as Big Dick Grayson! Ratings Gold!
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"The Graysons: Dick Rising." Maybe this does have potential after all!
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The same problem with Chris O'Donnel. The cool thing about the Batman Robin relationship is that their origins parallel. You have the wacked out idea Batman has to help a child cope with grief by exposing him to the sickest vilest crimes of humanity. You have the Gordon/Batman conflict of that action. You have Batman who gave up every chance at a family adopting a child and one day realizing that he has a family. You have Batman redeeming his parents death. Then there is the father son relationship. All that is lost with a 18 year old Robin. I would rather have no Robin than an old one.
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