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Remember When McG Said He Had James Cameron's Blessing On TERMINATOR SALVATION? He Lied...
Beaks here...
Based on the loud-n-flashy footage we saw at Comic Con this year, I am not worried about TERMINATOR SALVATION. Frankly, I didn't give a shit about the movie in the first place, so, as far as I'm concerned, it's playing with house money; all it has to do is begin and end (preferably in under 120 minutes), and I'll likely give it a big 'ol pass.
Die-hard fans of the franchise, however, might be grading on a tougher scale. And their hope for an above-average movie might be partially tied up in this notion that James Cameron gave McG his blessing. Since we all know Cameron is a particular fella, that was quite feather in McG's cap. Unfortunately, it's now looking like McG stuck it there himself.
Here's Big Jim talking to the hoser-ridden National Post:
“It could be a big steaming pile or it could be brilliant. Sam Worthington is in the Avatar and the new Terminator and he likes the script, but I never saw it. There was no blessing involved.”
So what was it, McG? A tacit blessing? A gentlemanly nod in your direction at the Saturns? Or is he just fucking with you?
Again, this doesn't impact my anticipation for TERMINATOR SALVATION at all. But I wouldn't be surprised if the fans are feeling a bit burned all of a sudden. I guess it all comes down to this: is Bale > Cameron in 2008?
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McLied
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McG?! A Hollywood BULLSHITTER?!
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He's his own biggest fan. Not a big surprise he's patting himself on the back and bestowing non-existing blessings on himself.
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...he should film the thing. If not, TS.
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Whaddayaknow?
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no blessing. I can't believe it. I would've thought for sure that James Cameron had seen the genius of Charlie's Angels: Maximum Impact or whatever the fuck it was called.
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$1 to Bean Baxter of the Kevin and Bean radio show.
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This best not McSuck.
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Sep 29, 2008 6:38:43 PM CDT
we gonna hit em with the left, ughh, hit him with the right
by dracula_wants_the_amulet
headbussin head bussin.
I remember mori once saying this site doesn't care about the personal going on of woodsom lives. Doesn't this sorta fall into that bingo ball? I mean this is like, well let's start some shit. Mix equal parts X with A and you get "Oh No You Didn't"
*sigh* it's a shame if the McG lied, but then again was this worthy of it's own torch and picthfolk headlining artical? -
...that's probably about to be canceled.
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they've already made one sequel and now a tv series without cameron's say ...so whats it matter that these new movies are the same? i really dont get the "geek love" cameron gets for a few movies that while good, arent these amazing masterpieces that the geeks seem to make them out to be.
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*ducks for cover*
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Jesus. As if he wasn't a big enough douchebag.
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This guy is about as intelligent as I would have guessed.
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I think that Cameron was just emphasizing that he didn't give it his blessing...contrary to McG's public announcement. I don't take anything more or less from it than that. If, however, Cameron is dissapointed and has some sense of paternal protective insticts over the franchise...he should have never let it go in the first place.
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. . . when he was in his presence. What's he going to want to do now to AICN staff members?
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that does not bode well. T3 did not feel like a Terminator film at all. I hope McG doesn't make this Terminator film feel like Superman Returns all over again ( a fan film). Then again, Lucas held on to all of the Star Wars films and look what it did to the fan base. Although, Episode III does not get the credit it deserves...
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McG said he'd had "lots of conversations" with Arnold about the movie, yet Schwarzenegger later said that all he knew about the story was what he'd seen in the small amount of preview footage, and he didn't really understand where they were going with it. A class act, Joseph McGinty Nichol is.
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And did Cameron let him think that he did? You could argue for anti-American subtext in both.
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Should this really be a surprise that he's caught lying, and hasnt recieved a blessing. Im just waiting for McG to claim writing credit for the line "Ill be back!"
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doesn't mean he's against it..so far there has been nothing but good news on this project except with the slightly recently self redeemed director McG...hold out guys and have hope, caz i do
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Supersize it!
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This is a case of tricky talk and foggy context. Nice try.
He clearly meant that the studio didn't have to get his blessing to make a new Terminator movie. AT THE SAME TIME: It's foolish for McG to use that terminology when it isn't invoked by THE OTHER party. Anyway, who cares? McG says over and over and over that he done his best to be respectful to Cameron and the films cast and crew is impressive. If it turns out he was lying... the film will suffer and McG's geek cred will be 100% kaput. -
and McGigger are tossed around???
Like "Let's Hang that McGigger by his neck till it goes Crack!"
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as far as im concerned. How many sequels are better than the original? I like alien...but its downright boring compared to sweet guns that pivot on your hip...cyborgs being ripped in half, and oh yeah, the fucking queen bee alien...so even if his record is supect on the whole, i fully believe in his sci fi chops after t2 and aliens and such....
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And I'm no McG hater (love the McG produced Supernatural, and Charlies one wasn't so bad) but it's never a good thing to put words in someone's mouth. Especially in this case: the same industry, same job even, and clearly one more respected in their field. And I can't help but think this shows a major lack of self confidence by McG, which lowers my already rather low expectations. Christian Bales best roles were portraying characters lacking in humanity (Equilibrium, American Psycho, arguably Rescue Dawn.). I'm interested, but skeptical of what he'll bring to play the savior of humanity.
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Damn You Michael Bay
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if you don't? That doesn't make any sense. The truth comes out. I dunno, someone is a crazy.
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Did you see Robot Chicken and his explosions movie! That would rock!
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MICHAEL BLA-BA SPLOSIONS!
MI-BA-BLA-BA SPLOSIONS!
MICHAEL BLA-BLA SPLOOM!
MA BA SPLOOM!
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I dug that interview when he said just because he made one type of movie before, that doesn't mean he has to make that movie for the rest of his life. I'm sure he has good intentions, is a fan, and will attempt to do well.
I'm not hating on McG, nor am I convinced it absolutely will be the worst thing on the planet. I agree with Cameron that it could be a turd, and it could be incredible. -
without their blessing. You don't lie about a film series that is legend to ingratiate yourself to the public. Cameron handled it well. He didn't call him a jerk or anything. To paraphrase Cameron, the movie could be a steaming pile, or it could be great. McG still a jerk for playing us.
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I don't care though. Cameron liked AvP.
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you know they're out there lurking!
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When a director and his creation have as much geek pull as Cameron and the Terminator do, if you're a pisher who has as little cred with the nerd nation as McG does, telling a big fib like this doesn't help his case. Dumbass.
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It worked for me on quite a few levels. Plus the car chase scene with the crane was way better than the other movie with a car chase that summer: Matrix Reloaded.
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1. Not sure how seriously to take this when they've got Cameron calling his own film by the wrong title 'The Avatar' er not its just Avatar you morons.
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As much as I know this film will likely be a disaster, and as much as I hated T3, it has to be said (and has already been said in this talkback) that Cameron doesn't really have any right to pass comment. He let the franchise go, let it continue without his input. Had he wished to preserve his work, he would have bought the rights (fuck knows he can afford it) and thereby stopped any future Terminator projects. OR he could've done what many fanboys would've wanted and made the damn films himself. With or without Cameron's blessing, this film would still have to stand on it's own merits and would still be judged by what McG does with the material. Cameron can pass comment when he gets off his arse and makes HIS sequel to Judgement Day.
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"Talk to the hand". Way to be timely. What year was it supposed to be, 1993 or 2003?
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Didn't he lose the rights to Terminator in one of his divorces? T3 was a film made out of spite, and for Arnie probably a mid life crisis...Cameron won't be giving blessings to anyone for making sequels to Terminator...EVER.
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The fight for the box office! It would be a slap in the face if Avatar flops and T4 makes a killing at the box office
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I can't imagine why he would "bless" any piece of crap Terminator property after T2. The ending of that film was one of the best I've ever seen, and the central message in the movie - that our actions CAN change the future - resonated poignantly with me in my youth when I first saw the film. The movie/TV show since take a dump on that message and bastardize the Terminator mythos for mediocre (I'm being generous) efforts that tarnish Cameron's amazing masterpiece via their existence. I would hope that Cameron would never give his blessing to this sort of crap.
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When lying about another filmmaker, it's best not to lie about the one who's created one iconic character (Terminator); a kickass feminine heroine (Sarah Connor); upgraded an already kickass chick to epic levels (Ellen Ripley) in one of the greatest sequels ever (Aliens); has three Oscars and, oh yeah, made the biggest box office success in history.Up next: McG claims to have punched out God!
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They're both making shit up.
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If they just make it as good as the TV show, but with a bigger budget, it'll satisfy me. It'll be nowhere as good as the first two, but it can fall far short of that benchmark and still be ok.
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Hrmmm. Well, okay, if it sucks and it has the nerve to be more than 120 minutes, that's a lot more suck. At the same time, short doesn't mean better anymore than longer does. Generally I would HOPE a movie playing in the Terminator sand box has more to offer me than a m concerned though, this franchise ended just fine at T2, and everything since is forgettable shit in the order of Ghost of Frankenstein.
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cause if they did talk, it could be a case of miscommunication as to what the conversation actually meant. if they didn't talk at all, well then mcg is just full of crap.
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than an under 2 hour action flick unless it's DAMN GOOD. And I've stopped expecting DAMN GOOD from these remakes and reboots. At this point I feel we're trapped in Ghost of Frankenstein territory with a lot of franchises. (Wow, never had my post cut like that!)
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Sep 29, 2008 8:54:43 PM CDT
McG almost had me, until now. McG, you are a lying piece of shit
by mr. moe
What else has McG lied about. He's obviously pulling whatever he can out of his ass to try and hype this POS movie up. If Cameron never gave his blessing and McG never said anything about it, then I could care less, but now McG just earned the douche of the year award.
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McG seems to trying to hit all bases with fans on this and it worries me.
I spoke to James Cameron.
This movie is block buster yet has a Children of Men sensiblity.
I am paraphrasing off course.
Yet this film worries me alot.
I loved the first two Terminators.
Refused to see the third. Will not see this film.
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But does anyone really need Cameron's blessing for anything? I don't get how it will affect the quality of the movie.
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I'm expecting more of what that piece of crap gave us: a story that *SHOULD* have been really fucking cool undermined by terrible casting choices and a director who was more interested in a franchise than in art or action. (let alone the perfect marriage of both that Cameron nailed with the first two T's.)Bummer, too, that if Moriarty's little expose at the beginning of this summer was to be believed, this movie has at least one cool, original idea in it at the end, like T3 had Skynet going online... but this time, I and the entire readership of this site know it already!! Thanks Mori! Remind me to buy a dimebag with the money I would have spent on T4 when it comes out.
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I think Christian Bale is a poor casting choice. "Geeks" might "love him" but that don't make him right for every scifi franchise you can stick him in.
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Whether or not this film get Cameron's blessing in not an issue. What is the issue is that McG lied about it in order to try and win over fans. He's obviously been lying about a lot, but he's finally been called out on it. McG is a fucking tard and needs to go away. I would rather watch the entire Uwe Boll collection than see another McG film get made.
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... beyond even the slightest shadow of a doubt, the one thing we know, as surely as the sun rises, is this: Terminator: Salvation will be PG-13. In the UK it will be 12A. It doesn't matter what McG says, this is a cast-iron fact, decided be people higher up the food chain than McG. And I for one am totaly fucked off about it.
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This December with The Day the Earth Stood Still makes sense, as does with Star Trek (Zoe Saldana) or Terminator Salvation (Sam Worthington). In any event I really hope we get something by Dec. 18 (exactly one year from release). A poster, a viral site, an image...just give us something!
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I liked Ghost of Frankenstein. It was the best of the post Karloff films. If you're going to bitch about sequels that screwed up the original, I don't think you have to go back to 1942. Matrix anyone? child's play? Mmmm Star Wars?
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Who cares what he says. Just listen to the commentary on the T2 DVD during the future war scene and listen how he talks about his second unit crew. Dick. I'm not a fan of McG either.
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...but if we're talking about artistry here, who gives a shit? Hitchcock was the biggest prick the cinematic world has even seen. Dude blamed Vertigo's commercial failure on Jimmy Stewart being too old, not the film's status as an incredibly weird and uncomfortably personal work. Also happens to be a work of complete genius that has about a zillion levels thereof. And don't get me started about Kubrick. One's work is not automatically devoid of merit just because one is a total dickhead, is my point.
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Katanga's got a point. If he's fibbin' about Cameron's "blessing", I think it's fair to question his assurances about an "R" rating.
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Beaks, ye of so many fine words, I dare say that this kind of posting is beneath you. Of course, I could also really care less, mainly because I've never though that any of Big Jim Cameron's movies were all that. Sure, like Señor Spielbergo, he's got the action, set-piece, and spectacle thing down, but, at some point in his flicks, I become mightily annoyed with the scripting, usually in the hammy end. So, the bar for me with T4 is pretty low, and I'm actually willing to put a moratorium on all the McGinty hate, because I kind of liked the trailer. But, we shall see, we shall see, what comes from the man who would be McG.
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I never questioned his artistic merit. That's not what this article is about. T2 is one of my most beloved movies.
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I'd like to see some Negro, Asian and Hispanic Terminators. If machines are going to eliminate the human race, then all races should be represented and targeted for termination.
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You can't take a guy who calls himself McG serious? You call yourself "lonestaricon!!"
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This isn't going to change the quality of the movie one bit. Either it will be shitty, kinda shitty, kinda alright, kinda cool, or badass, we really don't have any control so lets just wait it out. I just hope its rated R... that way if its shitty we might at least get some cool gore and action.
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That's what should be in the opening credits.
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Sep 29, 2008 10:14:32 PM CDT
Did anyone except me notice that the new terminator perview suck
by ass clown
The new terminator is going to be absolute shit, it doesn't look good now and it wont anytime soon. The lighting is all wrong, the story continuity will be obliterated into nonsense, and that shit about John Connor being turned into a terminator will probably happen. Since McG is directing, we will get shitty popular music and slow motion action scenes while the studio laughs to the bank. I hope this movie flops and I hope James Cameron's Avatar actually provides Hollywood with a fresh movie. I doubt either of these movies will be any good, everything I look forward to tends to suck, except for Dark Knight which only mildly disppointed me.
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Obviously McG doesn't give two shits about AICN which is why this bit of "news" gets front page treatment. You guys really don't even strive for the illusion of unbiased integrity, do you? The bottom line is that a film based on the future wars alluded to in the earlier movies always had potential and the fact that an actor like Bale has signed on suggests the film has some serious potential.
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Terminator IS DEAD AND WILL ALWAYS BE DEAD.IT DIED AFTER T2.
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McDLT or Mickey D's or whatever his name is will prob make a fun popcorn movie while shitting on continuity. you think he cares about fanboys? shit no! he wants a paycheck,like everyone else. we can't judge until the final credits roll.
I know this will piss many many Star Wars nerds off,but Ep 3 was overrated not underrated. watch it again,you know deep down its true. although it was the best of the "prequels" it still wasnt any better than ROTJ. oh God that ending too w/Hayden"I can't act" Christensen in the Vader suit all folded over and loose screaming NOOOOOOOOOO!!!! what a cheeseball ending! still better than most sci fi crap out there though. peace be to all who seek it. namaste -
I know that this post comes from a guy who has titled himself Lucasdefender, but I just had to comment on your mention of Episode 3. Your brief statement about Episode 3 not getting the credit it deserves embodies why I have made myself Lucasdefender on this talkback. I am just beside myself the way people speak of ROTS. I will accept and even agree to a point that Lucas dropped the ball with 1&2. But, episode 3, no. No. NO. Still no. Episode 3 is, in my opinion, nah, screw my opinion, how about a little hyperbolic declaration that Episode 3 is one of the grandest and best fantasies ever made. Whatever that the acting fails at some unimportant points,-every star wars movie has, and like the Ot its failures are mild and infrequent. Not only this, but like the OT, it just has such a rythym and gets it right on what matters totally, which includes most of the acting. Finally, it is far more ambitious than most movies that ever get made. It was and is worthy to be called a Star Wars movie. Holds up better than Return and contends with A New Hope. It just amazes me that Iron man would be so highly praised by us nerds and Hulk spoken of with a smile but this movie with discontent. The only other film I consider more unfairly treated that I am aware of is The Passion of the Christ. But, now I am just rambling and so I must end. Bye. Have a good day. Be back soon. Do you get it, I still have not gone and I said, I w.. I... suck. "Just kidding can you imagine if I was like that." -Quote Blue Harvest
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Sep 29, 2008 10:42:14 PM CDT
he didn't let it go you dumbasses. divorce settlement
by most excellent ninja
Linda Hamilton wrestled it out of him in the divorce proceedings then she sold the rights on.
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HORSESHIT.James Cameron IS Terminator as far as I'm concerned. He has every right to comment. I can't believe in a community discussing the ART of film that we're somehow invalidating his opinion based on the BUSINESS of film. James Cameron is the originator of Terminator. That doesn't put him under some obligation to make every single film that follows, and it doesn't put him under the obligation to spend his money to keep the rights. In an artistic community, his opinion is important and valid. That doesn't mean that his opinion should be followed to the letter, but it's a simple and obvious question of respect. The person who owns the rights of course controls the films, but - to draw an analogy - just because I respect the right of George Lucas to do whatever he wants with his intellectual property, that doesn't mean that I can't think he's gone out of his gourd. I'd warrant James Cameron's opinion about Terminator is at least as important as some random fan's opinion about Star Wars.
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As far as I'm concerned, his blessing wouldn't count for squat anyhow. He betrayed all loyal Terminator fans long ago when he allowed the story to move past T2 without his involvement, period. Seems to me he became a pompous prick after Titanic made him king of box-office gross. I mean, the bastard actually had the balls to think he was going to destroy Christianity by displaying a dead body with Jesus stamped on it. DNA evidence my ass! He might as well have said the fucking finger prints were a match! Talk about pompous! I've no doubt McG will add his own nasty, pasty colors to the steaming pile this once great franchise is rapidly morphing into. McG should just go and have a burger named after him, and lets see if Cameron digs up Buddha.
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...it doesn't matter why or how he doesn't have the rights.
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He is a cliche Hollywood director asshole. He takes his insecurities out on other people. Fuck Mcg.
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Can't always be right.
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how in the fucking hell would James Cameron give McG his blessing? We're talking about fucking McG for God's sake it's not going to be a good movie. And also all those Bale fanboys should note that the guy has a half-good filmography, he likes to make a good movie and then go on to shit for his next project. Don't understand why.
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Sep 29, 2008 11:25:54 PM CDT
Are James Cameron, Cameron Crowe, And Cameron Diaz Related?
by laserpants
Like did they all grow up on the same ranch or, cause they all have the same name? OH SHIT! DUH! THEY DONT HAVE THE SAME LAST NAMES THEY'RE NOT RELATED! THEY"RE NOT RELATED AT ALL! HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!! HAHAHAHAHAH!!!
GED DOO DUH CHAHPPAH!!! DOOO EEEED NAAAOOOWWW!!!! -
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Yep I said it. Sure the guy has a great vision, but he is known for one thing...being a cocksucker witha god complex. Since he makes money on this no matter what, what does he care if he slams the director? I am not defending McG, he has really not deserved to be bashed like that from JC. Oh, and where was he when that abortion T3 was being done? I am sure he was telling them.....yes the terminator with tits would increase her brest size to distract a cop (snicker) and then he runs back to his playhouse.
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Sep 29, 2008 11:39:58 PM CDT
Cameron did not give up the rights for The Terminator, they were
by mr. moe
There was (and still is) nothing he could have done about it.
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Looking forward to it. Why not be optimistic? Bale is the perfect adult John Connor. Hey, it's a start.
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Watch this site turn up the anti-McG venom just to ensure T4 does not get a chance at the BO against Cameron's wankfest. The fact we actually have a decent star and a director willing to actually give us a something other than the lame POS that was T3 attached to a new Terminator movie should be something to look forward too. We can all judge it when it comes out but the fact Cameron is resorting to such tactics should make everyone more worried for Avatar than anything else and exactly where the fuck was he when T3 was being made and eventually shat out onto the cinemas.... why the silence then? Bale>Cameron and just for hell of it I hope T4 wipes the floor with Avatar come 2009. Speedracer anyone?
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I like Bale. I really do. Sadly, he did not die on the geek cross to atone for the sins of the rest of the movie going public. He is fallible. And if someone is to prove that to us it is McG. Because the greatest trick that McG ever played on the world it was that he didn't suck. Even though he does. Charlies Angels 2. Except for Crispin Glover. He was creepy cool.
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Can't stress that enough.
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Sep 30, 2008 1:22:59 AM CDT
This is what McGinty does -- remember McSpaced?
by the gospel according to bastardface
I liked the trailer to T4, but it is being directed by a retard -- let's be honest. I don't like the guy one bit and I do think Cameron has every right to be pissed that other filmmakers are soiling his films with this shit.
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Sep 30, 2008 1:26:57 AM CDT
Cameron is a legend! You're all spastics!
by the gospel according to bastardface
I can't believe some of you are hating on Cameron, over McG! Jesus Christ hanging on the cross. I have been entralled by every Cameron he's ever made. As for McG, I've felt embarrassed by his output -- so I'm happily siding with Cameron you dipshits.
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Cameron says "no blessing" in some random who-knows article. It's not even a direct response. There are 16,000 ways this could have been misinterpreted. It's fine if you don't want a Cameron-less Terminator. But don't be dicks just to be dicks.
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Sep 30, 2008 2:26:10 AM CDT
Who cares when AVATAR is fucking our eyeballs in 2009?
by motoko kusanagi
Joseph McGinty Nichol is a fucking jerk. That's not even news.
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NOW!!
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Only 443 days now until AVATAR is released! :sigh:
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Sep 30, 2008 3:06:11 AM CDT
Avatar will have a trailer with the new Trek film
by dracula_wants_the_amulet
Avatar Teaser crew shirts showed up on the set. Makes sense to me.
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... Peter Hyams should direct END OF DAYS ... and this didn't end up as a good advice.
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I, for one can't wait to see T4, i'm already sold on the premise of the future war, and what more exciting is that this will be the alternate future, not the version Sarah Connor told his son all this time... something is happening with the timeline, i'm all up for the twists and surprises. As for Avatar, i don't know, all these new 3D filming technology just don't do it for me. It's all about story first, and the premise i heard so far just sounded like a generic sci-fi ones. It's like playing games, the graphic might be mind blowing, but if the gameplay sucks, then it sucks. I have a bad feeling Avatar might not live up to the hype.
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Sep 30, 2008 4:21:34 AM CDT
Camerons moved on, so should we
by i_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looking_for
From what i can tell, Jim Cameron doesn't have any interest in the terminator franchise anymore. He's moved on and left it to the talentless circle jerkers to exploit his original work for all the coin they can get. If you read his quote he says he hasn't read the script. And just like everyone else, he has no idea if its going to be any good or not. I for one cannot fucking wait until Avatar hits. I've been waiting 11 years for new Cameron. Only one more to go! He's a legend. And for those who think he's an arrogant cock... thats what you get when you stick to your fucking guns and put your vision on the screen. If you don't take shit, people think you're an asshole. I'd rather watch a masterwork by an complete asshole, than a steaming load of shit by a pandering pussy like McG.
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i love how u losers get upset if a movie isnt rated R these days.... honestly PG-13 is not the same PG-13 of even 10yrs ago...pg-13 today is what R was 10yrs ago.... and YES people do get shot up in a PG-13 movie these days....if there is graphic gore and/or sex u get an R.....i cant believe no one knows that.....but then again the majority of u that post on here everyday are kinda odd
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here we go folks, let the hate train ROLLLLL on in
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it already arrived :(
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Other than amazing effects at the time I really can't see what all this fuss is about!Aliens now that is a good movie, but T2 has aged terribly!T3 was indeed shoddy to, other than the effects.T1 was the most exciting and actually still works well!!Who can't be excited about battling tracked and aerial hunter killers!!All that acting talent and production crew!!Story sounds fun too!Go McG, sure you will do a great job!!!Sod Cameron,the self proclaimed king of the world!He to should have more respect for another film maker!Suggesting McG's movie might be rubbish!So could his!throwing $300m on a movie only guarantees great visuals, nothing else!!hope T4 blows Avatar outta the water!!All this hatred toward a film maker is beyond belief!
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but i think his comment is spot on-It could be a big steaming pile or it could be brilliant- just like ALL movies, despite or perhaps BECAUSE of what leaks about a film the surprises/sense of wonder are gone for most films add to that the Buzz can cause the studio to make changes before its released.....and you get movie making by committee.
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...had given their blessing to AVP: Requiem 3 months before it was released it would not have made that film any less of an awful experience. I know that James Cameron really enjoyed T3 after he had watched it, but had very mixed feelings as the film was being made. The main thing is as we- the auidence- after we have watched the film think it is an enjoyable experience. I have very mixed feelings about this as McG is involved, and underlining that James Cameron has given the film his "blessing" intimates that he had seen a storyline/script perhaps even pre vis story boards. It appears this is not the case and MCG's PR machine has gone into overdrive and been caught out. The potential involvement of BIG ARNIE is not much cop either- his career is in politics now and T3 did what it needed to for him- ended his film career with a lead role in a $400 million + grossing summer blockbuster. A cameo in T4 would just keep his toe in the water for a franchaise. I am still very ambivalent about this film and where the franchaise is going. I do not enjoy the TV series, and whatever the faults of T3- it had some good moments and ended the series with the holocaust bringing the whole thing full circle. Also go back and watch all 3, there is PLENTY of material in them showing the future wars...
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Sep 30, 2008 6:42:40 AM CDT
Addressing one of bigj's comments
by i_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looking_for
I'm not sure you really understand what Cameron was saying when he accepted his Oscar. As in the movie, where Jack yells "I'm the king of the world!" he was describing his feelings. He was so full of joy he felt like he was the "king of the world". You're ignoring the context and taking it at face value.
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but what we make for ourselves. This ideology is the basis of Camerons Terminators, and is one of the main things why the films have such great depth. Unfortunately, that ideology was corrupted by T3 and its "inevitable" conclusion. Not only did this go against everything that went before it, it rendered the first two movies pointless since everything was supposedly pre-ordained to happen that way. T3 ruined the mythology that the first two created in much the same way as Lucas' Star Wars prequels ruined the mythology that he so successfully created in the originals.
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I was just spouting off, just feel that Cameron has always come across as arrogant!MaybeI am wrong!
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Cameron's definitely arrogant! ha! But he's a quality film maker while McG is not (as far as track record goes).
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Cameron is like this cup and if you drop this cup onto this table you assume that it will land on the table but what if I grab the cup on the way down? That's Cameron. And McG is the *idea* to drop the cup in the first place. And to save it. Now the fanboy- the fanboy is the TABLE. Word.
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I cannot deny Cameron's films are aesthetically pleasing and have a quality about them!McG I agree has thus far not got thequality, but I guess the films are aimed at a different audience.On seeing the trailer for Salvation I have to admit, I think its about to change for him. I loved the whole bleached look of the film stock and the image of the parachutist on the pylon has just stayed with me!only shot I didn't like was the hunter killer behind John Connor in the water, just reminded me too much of T3's machines!
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Mark my words (or bookmark my comment).
You know it to be true.
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T1 and T2 were 15 cert in uk! I guess ur NC-17 is the equivalent of our 18 cert, so probably not expecting too much gore and violence here!
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While i've seen the teaser trailer and seen nothing to make me giddy with anticipation, I have not seen anything to make me think it's going to be terrible. If McG has it in him to make a truely great film, good on him and my opinion will change. Time will tell on this one.
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I have faith in ILM, Kerner optical and Stan Winston Studios doing their bit to create a believable future war setting, Bale, worthington , carter being good enough actors to actually believe in, so all the pieces are there, its just upto McG to tie them together.I am full of hope!!famous last words!
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To make a PG13 Terminator film, which is what they are doing, they will have to do the following: soften bullet impacts, remove blood, minimise swearing, have any nasty acts of violence take place off-camera. If this is OK with you then fine, enjoy the film, but those of us that are old enough remember when Terminator films, and indeed Die Hard films, were made for ADULTS. I was way too young to watch the original Terminator, so when my babysitter let me watch it on VHS, I got that visceral thrill of watching a great film AND knowing that I was not meant to be watching it. These days, the babysitter could take me to the fucking theater to watch it. You only have to watch Die Hard 4 to see how even though you can still shoot people, the PG13 completely neuters the film. The word "motherfucker" has to have a gunshot over the rude part. The numerous shootings are completely bloodless. Its actually pretty depressing when you think about it, the way these classic adult movies are being castrated by corporations so they can make an extra dollar or two.
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some people seem to be using The Dark Knight as an example of an uncompromised "hard" PG13... but this doesn't carry much weight when you consider that the Dark Knight doesn't depend on KILLING the way Die Hard and Terminator do. All Batman does is punch people hard. He knocks them out. The Terminator films are about murderous machines coldly and clinically executing humans. And then they fix themselves by sticking a scalpel in their eye lol. The new Terminator film will not be about this.
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Despite that fact, I'm still optimistic that McG's talent will shine. But it also means that I won't be takin' him to the movies. (ha!)
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Search your feelings for thine weeping robodaddy, you know it to be true.
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there is nothing in to give it an R by todays standards.....Violence yes, but sex? and its SEX which = an R
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And after watching T3 and the Sarah Connor Chronicles, I'd have to agree.
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Anybody know?
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Sep 30, 2008 8:53:48 AM CDT
Cowboy: From Hollywood Reporter
by i_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looking_for
May 10, 2007 The Halcyon Co. -- a recently formed, privately financed film development, production and financing company headed by co-CEOs Derek Anderson and Victor Kubicek -- has acquired the franchise rights to the popular movie series from C2's Mario Kassar and Andrew Vajna, intending to make a new trilogy that would anchor their movie company. While no distribution agreement has been set, Halcyon is hoping that "T4" will be ready for release in the first half of 2009. Rise of the Machines, as well as certain rights in the television project The Sarah Connor Chronicles and the sole right to produce all future Terminator projects in any new or existing media.
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"T3" was owned by Mario Kassar and Andy Vajna, who years ago bought the rights at a Carolco bankruptcy auction out from under Cameron, prompting the director to remove himself from involvement. And the "T3" rights package included a multimillion-dollar rights buyout and exec producer credit for Gale Anne Hurd, Cameron's former partner and ex-wife. He famously signed over his "Terminator" rights for $1 to her before they made the first film, in exchange for a guarantee he wouldn't be replaced as director. It was a deal that left him on the outside looking in as everyone else cashed in on "T3."
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Also from the same article...
"Sources said McG spoke on the phone recently with Cameron, who is in New Zealand working on "Avatar." It was during that chat that he recommended Worthington."
Who knows what Cameron thinks, but i can't see him recommending the star of his film to McG and the Terminator franchise! -
so there's still a chance it will be good. This news doesn't really change anything about the movie. oh, and if avatar bombs, wow. So much effort for nothing. I almost want to see it fail to shut up the fanboys.
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wherein I state that he blessed my opinion that McG is a doofus
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reportedly has a $250 million dollar budget, I know us geeks are very, very excited about this sci fi extravganza, and yes the hype surrounding it as a summer picture will be strong but I wonder how well it will perform. I suppose the film itself matters, but it needs to do Dark Knight numbers to see a decent profit. Does anyone know different on the reported budget? That $250 million budget is what Variety said it cost, or is that bullshit?
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you're living in a fantasy world if you think Terminator would get a PG13 if released today. The Terminator walks round a police station and executes about 30 policemen! He slices his arm and his eye open with a scalpel. You're totally wrong, it would be an R all the way.
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I'm in shock!
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Sep 30, 2008 9:58:07 AM CDT
By the time Avatar comes out we will all be too broke to see it
by bigj1124
big budget space based science fiction very rarely makes a huge profit, there are a few exemptions, small film called Star Wars for one. They don't generally appeal to 51 percent of the population.Sure Cameron has done his research though!It will be an interesting time when it comes out, sure there will be amazing battles etc but in essence its a love story!!an alien one at that!lol
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The first 3-D trailer might be on some of these. Also is Deep Sea 3D 2. Depends how intense Avatar is. A lot of these are for kids. A 3-d trailer on Valentine would bring in a lot of people just to get a glimpse. Don't know if he'll do that or not. He might tease us all along. I don't want to see to much.
JAN. 23: “My Bloody Valentine,” Lionsgate.
MARCH 27: “Monsters vs. Aliens,” DreamWorks.
JULY 1: “Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs,” 20th Century Fox.
JULY 24: “G-Force,” Disney; “Piranha,” Dimension.
OCT. 2: “Toy Story”(re-release), Disney/Pixar.
NOV. 6: “A Christmas Carol,” Disney.
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Sep 30, 2008 10:00:44 AM CDT
No Cameron support? Good now I might see this....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
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I’m sure this is another Bourne Supremacy in the making: a massive joke until it premiers, when everyone will rejoice in it’s favor. On a further note: Charlie’s Angels was a thoroughly entertaining, stylized action film. Underrated like hell if you ask me, or is it that geeks just won’t admit their obvious fondness for it. Considering the cast involved includes Helena Bonham Carter, Bryce D. Howard (both very rational, intelligent actresses) with of course Bale. Things will work out fine – I promise.
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I have said that in various talkbacks, good to hear someone else say it!
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Giovanni Ribisi's drooling, retard ass can't keep my attention for his brief stint in Gone in 60 Seconds... Weaver, Rodriguez? Disaster picture is right...
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It always brings me down to see his name in the credits for Chuck.
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or something like that. He did a bad thing!!!
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as Jesus Christ is to Tony Alamo.
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And as well it should! Up yours, Dark Knight!
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I am not North American but I feel really frustrated that ILM were not given the show, after the amazing work they have done for Cameron in the past and their character animation easily equals the quality of Weta's.Never thought much of Gollum,but hey guess ILM did Dobie the house elf in Harry Potter to!!But Davy Jones was an absolute triumph!!
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Sep 30, 2008 10:28:47 AM CDT
Avatar will be THE cinema experience of 2009.
by i_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looking_for
T4 will be seen on opening weekend and promptly forgotton.
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You're gayer than T2 for starters.
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is it to be McG right now..!! What a L O S E R!
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You gotta do whatcha gotta do! The man is a perfectionist. You don't want a sloppy Michael Gay version of Avatar do you? I've heard nightmare stories from actors. Ed Harris almost drowned, and that they had to pee in their suits while filming The Abyss. The dude is under a lot of stress. He's in charge of hundreds of millions of $$$$$$. I could never do it. If JC just did Shyamalan type movies there'd be no problem and JC would be pumping them out 2 a year. But JC wants to bust don't barriers, push the limits of everything he does. Avatar is a step up above anything WETA has done. I thought Gullom and Kong looked great. That's why he went with WETA. New shit has been invented and devised just for this film. Just like TDK used a little IMAX, now a lot of films will be. Well wait till Avatar comes out. Holy fuck! Films will change. He's trying to save cinema. Give us something to go for.
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I've heard several stories over the years that James Cameron is notoriously "Anti-Union."
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Bill said in an interview that he wanted to make sure he did everything right, and that everything was going smooth on the set. Not because he didn't want to piss off Arnold Schwarzenegger, he didn't want to piss of James Cameron.
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After he came he called me a dirty whore, threw my Hanes in my face and told me to get out of his sight. Also said something derogatory about unions.
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You like the taste of coca-cola but don't want the calories so you try diet coke which taste a lot like what malted alien eye spooge would probably taste like and then a big question mark forms over your head..."Shall I drink this pale and abhorred substitute or shall I instead start drinking plain water?"ie, if the substitute actually sucks and you can't have the original back...then just let it go. Let. It. Go.I don't know what the definition of 'fanboy' would be with regard to the Terminator franchise but I still have my ancient VHS tape that is unwatchable now as I've watched it thousands of times since I was a wee rat (breaks my heart I cannot honestly claim to have seen Terminator in the theater altho I DID sneak in to see Aliens! i forget which movie we got tickets too but i digress). I still have my old dvd copy with the original mono mix which still has the best sound effects (and the worst audio quality of course), recently purchased the Terminator blu and have not lost one trace of love for this brilliant film. I can practically quote all the dialog line for line at this point. I don't love T2 near as much but it's a great action movie and a great sequel. I'm a big Brad Fiedel (FrightNight!!!) fan, have read some of the Terminator books, blah blah blah. It doesn't mean anything but I dearly love the first movie and this franchise is simply a part of my development as a cinephile as well as fostering my personal dreams (getting paid to create! yum!) but with the continuation of the franchise...Who is this unknown sect of "fanboys" who were foaming at the mouth for more Terminator movies? Who were the guys McGinty speaks of who were 'dying to see the human v machine war'? You? Were you guys so dying to see the war that you're willing to have a half assed version versus no version but your own imagination or perhaps in books?I tried diet coke and it's fucking nasty. Therefore, I don't drink any coke as the shitty imitation of it is not remotely palatable and since there's nothing else but "the real thing" (haha) then it's an 'either or' situation. Either drink it and deal with how bad for you it is or don't drink it and be healthy. I don't love coke enough to have to drink some shitty substitute so I'll do without...A non-Cameron Terminator movie is exactly the same (altho not bad for you) in that it is a "substitute" for the real deal. The question then becomes, since the 'substitute' is of arguable quality, and the debatable point on whether or not there actually WAS a huge "fanboy" obsession with seeing more Terminator on the screen...I say leave well enough alone...true quality always leaves you wanting more. After T2, I wanted "more" but figuratively, not literally (I wanted T2 more fleshed out in essence, more detail, more story). After T3, I don't want more Terminator.At the risk of stating the absurd or even pretentious, I sometimes wish you didn't either.
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It's a separate formula and the taste happens to be very, very popular. Oh, and some of us were actually surprised by how good T3 actually was. Not as good as the first two and certainly not entirely needed but a fun ride all the same. Regardless, the future war premise could actually be pretty awesome if done correctly so I make no apologies for my enthusiasm.
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Poor, poor kwitsatzhaderach. Am I really gayer than T2? Does that make you aroused? Do you wake up with visions of naked Ahhrnuld flexing his buttcheeks for you? Clearly. And he's like, your father figure! How thweet."Thweet" though it may be, I would think that the messianic result of the Bene Gesserit's breeding program would have better taste in films, but, alas, you don't. Don't worry, though, in the fullness of time, when you come out of the closet, you can invest in a RoboSugardaddy to service, like a whining teen-twink bottom GnR fan with a father complex / revolutionary general of the future, your every homosexual oedipal complex desire until Cameron -- who only made two good films, Terminator and Aliens-- decides to shoot you making love to your RoboSugardaddy like underwater or something. He's king of the world! The world of diminishing returns, that is.
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I'd never fault any enthusiasm or critic someone's love/like/ambivalence/hatred for anything creative! Hell..I'd love for it to be a great movie in the franchise (and I just saw the first Charlie's Angels again after having not seen it in a while, totally horrible movie with beautiful girls) But my point stands that diet coke (different 'formula' or not) was meant to be a more health-conscious substitute for plain old coke. If you taste diet coke and like it...problem solved, but if you don't like it then your alternative is either the original or to move on. I think with the almost impossibility of getting a brilliant flick like the first one makes trying a little futile, no? Granted, much of this is my take and thus subjective but I think it's an debatable point.With Terminator, we'd likely all love to see Cameron revisit the franchise but I'd even argue that he couldn't touch the greatness of the first film at this point. He's too big now and not hungry like the early 80's. But now, it's like handmade versus factory assembly-line quality. It's possible to make it good but it can never transcend its own limitations (not necessarily the fault of the premise itself but a good reason to question why to do it in the first place). I wonder how much worse off we'd be if there had never been another Terminator movie.I was not surprised how mediocre T3 was; I didn't hate it and there are a couple good scenes (sorry but the crane chase is nothing compared to the chase in Matrix: reloaded, unless being louder and having more destruction makes it better), but T3 might stand as a sequel to T2 but I cannot consider it a part of the 'Terminator' (first one) universe. Patrick's portrayal of the T-1000 simply made T2 and without him I think it would be closer in quality to T3 than it was on its own.I think one great aspect of artistic genius is to create something intoxicating and then give those appreciating it only a taste. Anything more threatens to dilute the experience and to me, that it exactly what has happened to Terminator; it has been so diluted as to not even really be in the same conceptual universe anymore. Me 2sense anyways.
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Sep 30, 2008 1:45:47 PM CDT
McGoof doesn't need Cameron's fucking "blessing" anyway
by stuntcock mike
Where all going to go see it anyway, why fucking lie?
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HE never stated in the interview given that Cameron saw the movie and gave it a whole hearted approval, he says he met with him and told him his ideas for the new movie, and that Cameron told him to go do it his way...that is a blessing, to go do his thing...He didn't LIE. The title to your article is misleading.
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they dont deserve to work on something like Avatar after beardy the hutt's greed of rereleasing star wars over and over again. triple-chin has enough money.
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For T4, I have absolutely zero expectations. Considering McG's frustration with the film and the fans, the visually pleasing but utterly vapid trailer, and now Cameron's admission that he never gave his blessing to McG in the first place. . .well, I don't see how this film could possibly turn out well. The PG13/R debate doesn't really bother me; Fellowship of the Ring was a perfectly amazing movie that had great creepy/violent moments (Uruk-Hai getting born in Saruman's Lair, Aragorn vs. Uruk-Hai deathmatch), and it was PG-13. T4 could conceivably work out as PG-13--although why a war movie about the extinction of the human race would be PG-13 instead of R is just confusing.
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when he did Pirahna II the Spawning? That's what I'd like to know.
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Sep 30, 2008 3:27:39 PM CDT
general audiences won't give a fuck about Avatar....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
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Why would the movie studios care about the rating? If the first two movies had an R rating and were box office smashes why would they change the rating to PG-13? If it ain't broke don't fix it!
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did lonestaricon time warp back to the 50's?
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You can't step into the shoes of James Cameron and Arni. No way! This movie will make a good start because of it's name but then it will sink like a big fat and dead whale at the box office. This whole idea of the giant Terminator and all the other stupid stuff stinks. And I give a shit about Sam Worthingtons opinion on the script. He has only one thing to do right: Acting good in AVATAR! He is an actor and not a writer... how should he know if this is a good script for Terminator fans? Go on Hollywood and fuck up every franchise I like. Indy IV was the coffin-nail to the whole series... I can't watch the first movies like before. Allways I have to think of this stupid Alien shit. I bet Terminator IV will do the same to the old Terminator movies!
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When working with morons on a huge movie you can get angry very fast. Do you know how often they were told to spray the bike dirty before Cameron did it himself? Cameron also told the effect guys from Titanic some 'words' because they had the animation from the ship engines wrong. You know what: When someone fucks up his job the higher authority has to let him know... and Cameron is a master in this discipline too!
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"From what i can tell, Jim Cameron doesn't have any interest in the terminator franchise anymore. He's moved on and left it to the talentless circle jerkers to exploit his original work for all the coin they can get. If you read his quote he says he hasn't read the script. And just like everyone else, he has no idea if its going to be any good or not. I for one cannot fucking wait until Avatar hits. I've been waiting 11 years for new Cameron. Only one more to go! He's a legend. And for those who think he's an arrogant cock... thats what you get when you stick to your fucking guns and put your vision on the screen. If you don't take shit, people think you're an asshole. I'd rather watch a masterwork by an complete asshole, than a steaming load of shit by a pandering pussy like McG."
couldn't have nailed it better! -
Who Cameron got the Terminator ideas from... That's why he got sued by Ellison. Watch Cameron's student film Xenogenesis and you can see he "borrowed" from Ellison and other writers as well.
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I have great taste in film. Remember, I like T2. You like the cinematic perfection of Jonathan Mostow. Thanks for the laughs though.
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i don't get all the hype about 3-D, I only care about when Elvira's big chest is on screen, but hope Avatar doesn't suck.
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Exactly.
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all the Negro-nators at?
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Will fuck up Terminator watch!
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on this thread is really quite interesting. I can only guess some fanboys are terrified at the prospect of their beloved Harry Potter, Spider Man and Pirates of the Carribean movies being shown up for the bland corporate crap that they really are.
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...that try to badmouth a sci-fi masterpiece such as TERMINATOR 2 - JUDGMENT DAY amazes me.
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Oct 01, 2008 6:18:59 AM CDT
RE: general audiences won't give a fuck about Avatar....
by i_am_not_the_droid_you_are_looking_for
If this is true then "general audiences" are a lot stupider than i thought. (And i think they're pretty fucking stupid!) Do you classify yourself as "general audience"?
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Oct 01, 2008 10:37:31 AM CDT
actually, general audiences don't give a fuck about Avatar
by darthbakpao
James who? That will be their reactions when you mention James Cameron. The only names that are generally recognized by the world are Tom Cruise, Jacky Chan, Bruce Willis, Robert De Niro, Al Pacino, Jet Li, and a few more
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is just really overrated, especially compared to T1. it's more like a cheesy effects-vehicle.
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and added a kid as the main character, a good terminator and toned down pretty much everything to family friendly levels.
I mean honestly, watch T1 again.
The first one is still the best and regardless of this article, I'm looking forward to T:S - at least from the outset it has a more interesting concept behind it.
And Aliens a masterpiece? Yes it is if you're a 12 year old boy. If you happen to be an adult you'll realise that the first is operating on slightly greater levels than a monster shoot-up.
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