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HBO Developing Futuristic Immigrant Drama AMERICATOWN!!

Published at: Sept. 29, 2008, 12:52 a.m. CST by hercules

I am – Hercules!!
What if economic and climatic disasters conspired to render the United States a much less desirable place to live? What if, in the year 2045, Americans found themselves emigrating en masse to other lands and founding communities on foreign soil? That’s the premise of HBO’s “Americatown,” scripted by Bradford Winters (a writer on “Oz” and brother of “Oz” stars Dean and Scott Winters). Tom Fontana & Barry Levinson (“Oz”) and Frank Marshall & Kathleen Kennedy (“Amazing Stories”) are producing. Find all of The Hollywood Reporter’s story on the matter here.

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  • Sept. 29, 2008, 12:50 a.m. CST

    More Metaphor and Allegory From HBO

    by Bungion Boy

    First we get Vampires=Homosexuals. Now this? What is going on at HBO? Where are the Wires? Where are the Deadwoods? Sigh.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 12:50 a.m. CST

    FRIST!

    by FNORDcinco1

    GREENMAN!

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 12:55 a.m. CST

    Simpsons did it

    by conniebrean1

    Lisa: Dad, we didn't come halfway across the world to eat at 'Americatown.' Waiter: Don't ask me! I don't know anything! I am product of American education system. I make poorly built cars and inferior electronics. Homer: Well, they've got our number.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 1:11 a.m. CST

    How about OZ : The Next Generation...

    by Alonzo Mosely

    Same location and premise, new cast. More penis goodness. Make it so, HBO...

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 1:16 a.m. CST

    "economic and climatic disasters"

    by BadMrWonka

    are you sure this is set in the future?

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 1:17 a.m. CST

    "economic and climatic disasters"

    by BadMrWonka

    so in the show's reality, McCain and Palin win?

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 1:17 a.m. CST

    "economic and climatic disasters"

    by BadMrWonka

    you mean Waterworld?

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 1:21 a.m. CST

    thank you folks, all be here all week, twice on Saturday.

    by BadMrWonka

    be sure to tip your waitresses.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 1:21 a.m. CST

    *I'll

    by BadMrWonka

    dangit

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 2:36 a.m. CST

    ColWTH

    by MonkeyManReturns

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAA.....Hahahahahahahahaahaha...You are just soooo cute, you right wing nut! Hahahahaha!!!

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 2:53 a.m. CST

    BRING BACK....

    by movieman742

    ROME. Canceled after 2 seasons. What a shame. HBO is retarded when it comes to keeping shows. Deadwood had at least one more season. Rome could have had several. They drag out The Sopranos but yet other shows get shoved by the wayside?? I don't get it.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 3:02 a.m. CST

    You Do know

    by Mixiboi

    Rome cost way to much money to do another season. Cost were at a million dollars. It was a joint ventur between HBO and BBC to swallow the cost. No matter high ratings, No one could keep the show going beond the 2 seasons we got.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 3:23 a.m. CST

    Does it involve Goo-backs?

    by newc0253

    "your solution of shooting everyone who crosses the time border is inhumane".

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 3:26 a.m. CST

    So this is set in Cancun during spring break?

    by Xiphos_2

    Or Puerto Penasco any weekend? Spanglish the new trade language.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 3:30 a.m. CST

    "Where are the Wires? Where are the Deadwoods?"

    by newc0253

    prepare to be very happy: HBO are greenlighting 'The Telegraph Wire' a new, continuity-rich show about a team of criminal investigators in 1870s South Dakota, interweaving their stories with the lives of those they investigate...

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 4:43 a.m. CST

    Could be good. Jericho with a brain.

    by ev1ldead

    Way more promising than the Sex and the City Clones and Brit-Remakes HBO ordered in the last 2 years.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 4:57 a.m. CST

    Won't it be like 1492 revisited?

    by onezeroone

    I mean... weren't foundations of the entire continent laid on mass immigration? Also, in overall historical context, would it be called reverse-immigration or 'coming-home'?

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 5:06 a.m. CST

    i'm confused

    by geraldbeans

    if it's an immigrant drama, how come it's about emigrating?

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 5:22 a.m. CST

    What do you mean: What if? ?

    by Uncle Stan

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 5:23 a.m. CST

    Just film Kuntsler's World Made by Hand.

    by Uncle Stan

    Peak Oil is here and now. The government and business is just neglecting to mention it.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 6:52 a.m. CST

    Well we could move to Mexico

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    tell them we're here now so adapt to us. Put everything in Spanish and English. They'd have to learn English, but we wouldn't have to learn Spanish. They'd have to give us free everything, and not deport us if they found out we're there illegally.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 7:04 a.m. CST

    Uncle Stan, good call even though that was

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    fiction, that was a harsh read.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 7:21 a.m. CST

    About France and Italy? Depp, Perle, Clooney...

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Depp lives in France as does Perle. <p> Crumb lives in France. <p> C;ooney lives in Italy so does Tina Turner. <p> Those are off the top of my head. Sounds as if the rich already have Americatown enclaves like the old people retireing to Mexico because they can survive on their pensions and Social Security.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 7:24 a.m. CST

    Uncle Stan, Abiotic Oil

    by EvilWizardGlick

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin <p>Abiogenic petroleum origin <p>Abiogenic hypotheses were revived in the last half of the twentieth century by Russian and Ukrainian scientists, and more interest was generated in the West by the publication in 1999 of The Deep Hot Biosphere by Thomas Gold. Gold cited the discovery of thermophile bacteria in the earth's crust as new support for the hypothesis, postulating that these bacteria could explain the existence of certain biomarkers in extracted petroleum <p>Biotic (microbial) hydrocarbons The "deep biotic petroleum hypothesis", similar to the abiogenic petroleum origin hypothesis, holds that not all petroleum deposits within the Earth's rocks can be explained purely according to the orthodox view of petroleum geology. Thomas Gold used the term the deep hot biosphere to describe the microbes which live underground.[5][29][30] This hypothesis is different from biogenic oil in that the role of deep-dwelling microbes is a biological source for oil which is not of a sedimentary origin and is not sourced from surface carbon. Deep microbial life is only contaminant of primordial hydrocarbons. Parts of microbes yield molecules as biomarkers. Deep biotic oil is considered to be formed as a byproduct of the life cycle of deep microbes. Shallow biotic oil is considered to be formed as a byproduct of the life cycles of shallow microbes. The 2nd Law of thermodynamics prohibits petroleum formation at low pressure and temperature. Petroleum is stable within earth's mantle at depths around 150-200 km. At low pressure levels (for instance sedimentary basins) may occur bacterial contamination that leave their fingerprints in oil. It's impossible to form petroleum from biogenic detritus.[9][10][11] [edit] Deep microbes This article or section is missing citations or needs footnotes. Using inline citations helps guard against copyright violations and factual inaccuracies. (July 2008) Methanophile organisms have been known for some time, and recently it was found that microbial life in Yellowstone National Park is based on hydrogen metabolism. Other deep and hot extremophile organisms continue to be discovered.[citation needed] Proponents of abiogenic petroleum origin contend that deep microbial life is responsible for the biomarkers (see below) that are generally cited as evidence of biogenic origin. U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) scientist Frank Chapelle and his colleagues from the USGS and the University of Massachusetts have discovered a potential analog for life on other planets. A community of Archaea bacteria is thriving deep in the subsurface source of a hot spring in Idaho. Geothermal hydrogen, not organic carbon, is the primary energy source for this methanogen-dominated microbial community. This is the first documented case of a microbial community completely dominated by Archaea. Deep microbial sources for petroleum and hydrocarbon chemicals within some sedimentary basins and within some crystalline rocks may explain some contradictory evidence as to the source of these oils. Specifically, the presence of biomarkers in the extremely rare examples of Proterozoic oils and within oils found in Mesozoic and younger crystalline reservoirs, could be explained as coming from deep-dwelling bacteria. The abiogenic hypothesis of oil sees the role of deep microbes as providing these biomarkers as contaminants of abiogenic petroleum accumulations, not as products of plant and plankton detritus which have been converted to petroleum via orthodox biogenic processes. [edit] Microbial biomarkers Extremophile organisms living within the crust (deep heat-loving bacteria thermophiles) are considered a plausible source of biomarkers which are not sourced from kerogen. Hopanoids, called the "most abundant natural products on Earth", were believed to be indicators of oil derived from ferns and lichens but are now known to be created by many bacteria, including archaea. Sterane was thought to have come from processes involving surface deposits but is now known to be produced by several prokaryotes including methanotrophic proteobacteria. The case for shallow bacterial life creating petroleum is apparent from circumstantial evidence at "tar seeps" in sandstone outcrops where live oil is encountered down-dip (e.g. Midway-Sunset field, San Joaquin Valley, California). Bacteria are considered to have "degraded" higher gravity oil to bitumens. Extrapolation of bacterial degradation to still higher gravity oils and finally to methane leads to the suggestion that all petroleum up to tar and most of the carbon in coal are derivatives of methane, which is progressively stripped of its hydrogen by bacteria and archaea. The resultant partial methane molecules, CH3, CH2, CH, may be called "an-hydrides". Anhydride hypothesis, a New Theory of Petroleum and Coal Generation, is offered by C. Warren Hunt (1999).{[citation needed] Due to the difficulty in culturing and sampling thermophilic bacteria little was known of their chemistry. As more is learned of bacterial chemistry, more biomarker chemicals can be attributed to bacterial sources. Although extremophile micro-organisms exist deep underground and some metabolize carbon, some of these biomarkers are so far only known from surface plants and remain the most reliable chemical evidence of biogenic genesis of petroleum. This evidence is consistent with the biogenic hypothesis, although it might be true that these hydrocarbons have merely been in contact with ancient plant residues. There also is evidence that low-temperature relatives of hyperthermophiles are widespread, so it is also possible for biological deposits to have been altered by low-temperature bacteria which are similar to deeper heat-loving relatives. It must also be acknowledged that, if extremophilic bacteria prove to be the source of some parts of known oils, that this remains a biological process. Thorough rebuttal of biogenic origins based on biomarkers has been offered by Kenney, et al. (2001).[10] [edit] Microbial evidence from petroleum geochemistry This article or section is missing citations or needs footnotes. Using inline citations helps guard against copyright violations and factual inaccuracies. (July 2008) If the above mechanism for microbial petroleum genesis is active and prevalent within the Earth crust and the hypothesis holds true, the geochemistry of petroleum deposits within the Earth’s crust should reflect this mechanism of formation. The geochemistry of petroleum deposits has been widely and deeply studied by oil companies and academia for more than a century in order to elucidate the origin of petroleum and develop predictive scientific models. Certain findings of this research can be used to interpret petroleum as being either of biogenic or abiogenic origin. These include biomarker chemicals, the optical activity of oils, chirality and the trace metal abundances of oils. [edit] Isotopic evidence Methane is ubiquitous in crustal fluid and gas [3]. Research continues to attempt to characterise crustal sources of methane as biogenic or abiogenic using carbon isotope fractionation of observed gases (Lollar & Sherwood 2006). There are few clear examples of abiogenic methane-ethane-butane, as the same processes favor enrichment of light isotopes in all chemical reactions, whether organic or inorganic. δ13C of methane overlaps that of inorganic carbonate and graphite in the crust, which are heavily depleted in 12C, and attain this by isotopic fractionation during metamorphic reactions. One argument for abiogenic oil cites the high carbon depletion of methane as stemming from the observed carbon isotope depletion with depth in the crust. However, diamonds, which are definitively of mantle origin, are not as depleted as methane, which implies that methane carbon isotope fractionation is not controlled by mantle values. [31] Helium isotope geochemistry is a clear indicator of mantle source within gases. Within the major precambrian shield there is no evidence of mantle helium in gases or groundwaters, which disproves the theory of continued outgassing of primordial methane and helium along structures in the Precambrian basement.[citation needed] Furthermore, there are few examples of primordial helium or mantle helium trapped within oil and gas occurrences. Helium gas has close association with petroleum. Although ³He is primordial, much He gas is from radioactive decay of uranium. Helium gas is associated with light oils, sometimes accompanied by nitrogen that allow petroleum to reach shallow levels in crust. Because helium is a very light gas, commercial accumulations are not (un?)common at Panhandle-Hugoton in USA, Algerian and Russian gas fields. Panhandle-Hugoton field (Anadarko Basin) in Texas-Oklahoma, USA is the most important gas field with commercial helium content. Helium trapped with hydrocarbons (mainly methane) and nitrogen is possible if there is an efficient seal overlying the reservoir such as salt. Helium trapped within most petroleum occurrences, such as the occurrence in Texas, is of a distinctly crustal character with an Ra ratio of less than 0.0001 that of the atmosphere.[32][33]

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 7:28 a.m. CST

    Oil from Bacteria

    by EvilWizardGlick

    In support of Abiotic Oil <p>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article4133668.ece <p>Scientists find bugs that eat waste and excrete petrol Silicon Valley is experimenting with bacteria that have been genetically altered to provide 'renewable petroleum' <p>http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/1433/ <p>The new organisms, which Venter says should be multiplying in the lab in the next 18 months, would need high concentrations of CO2 (say, from the smokestack of a coal plant) to convert it to oil at maximum efficiencies. He can alter the octane of the fuel by altering the genes of the organism and, by selecting the best of thousands of molecules, he can "unnaturally select" the most efficient oil producers. <p>

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 7:29 a.m. CST

    Abiotic oil Saturns moon

    by EvilWizardGlick

    http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/cassini/media/cassini20070704.html <p>NASA Finds Hydrocarbons on Saturn's Moon Hyperion <p>NASA's Cassini spacecraft has revealed for the first time surface details of Saturn's moon Hyperion, including cup-like craters filled with hydrocarbons that may indicate more widespread presence in our solar system of basic chemicals necessary for life. Hyperion yielded some of its secrets to the battery of instruments aboard Cassini as the spacecraft flew close by in September 2005. Water and carbon dioxide ices were found, as well as dark material that fits the spectral profile of hydrocarbons.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 7:32 a.m. CST

    Peak Oil a scam like Global Warming

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Both are scams to keep the peasants under control. <p> Why do you think Global Warming has been dropped for "Climate Change"? <p> Most recent studies state we are entering a cooling period. Lack of sunspot activity seems to support the cyclical nature of sun related warming and cooling.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 7:33 a.m. CST

    Thank you Mr. Science...

    by Kid Z

    ... or Whitley Strieber, Chuck Harder or whoever yo' wacky self be.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 7:34 a.m. CST

    Americatown based on Global Cooling set in SA?

    by EvilWizardGlick

    The glaciers now threaten the Us and have wiped out Canada. Everyone is moving to South America because Mexico has New England weather.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 7:35 a.m. CST

    There was a news segment on last night

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    regarding Petroalgae, a company making oil from algae. Not only was it renewable, but it was also good for the environment in that they feed off CO2. The company admitted that it is not ready to compete with big oil yet, but said that within ten years it could. It sounded intriguing if it's real.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 7:37 a.m. CST

    Kid Z, Just pissed off

    by EvilWizardGlick

    I hate the control scams run both by the right and left. <p> It is ALWAYS better to reign in hell than serve in heaven. <p> Or to put it another way it is better to know the ugly truth than the beautiful illusion.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 7:41 a.m. CST

    Grammaton Cleric Binks, yes it is real.

    by EvilWizardGlick

    C02 doesn't seem to be the threat everyone makes it out to be. Global Warming scam. <p> Methane is more of a serious threat. If Methane Hydrates are indeed releasing methane gas in the Arctic that could become very serious. <p> John Barnes had a fun little book, Mother of Storms. Worth the read on environmental catastrophe. <p>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_fuel_in_Brazil <p>Brazil is the world's second largest producer of ethanol and the world's largest exporter, and it is considered to have the world's first sustainable biofuels economy and the biofuel industry leader.[1][2][3][4] Together, Brazil and the United States lead the industrial world in global ethanol production, accounting together for 70% of the world's production[5] and nearly 90% of ethanol used for fuel. [6] In 2006 Brazil produced 16.3 billion litres (4.3 billion U.S. liquid gallons),[7] which represents 33.3% of the world's total ethanol production and 42% of the world's ethanol used as fuel.[6] Total production is predicted to reach at least 26.4 billion litres (6.97 billion U.S. liquid gallons) for 2008.[8] Brazil’s 30-year-old ethanol fuel program uses modern equipment and cheap sugar cane as feedstock, the residual cane-waste (bagasse) is used to process heat and power, which results in a very competitive price and also in a high energy balance (output energy/input energy), which varies from 8.3 for average conditions to 10.2 for best practice production.[9]The Brazilian ethanol program provided nearly one million jobs in 2007, and cut 1975–2002 oil imports by a cumulative undiscounted total of US$50 billion.[10] The production of ethanol is concentrated in the Central and Southeast regions of the country, which includes the main producer, São Paulo State. These two regions were responsible for almost 90% of Brazil's ethanol production in 2004.[9] There are no longer light vehicles in Brazil running on pure gasoline. Since 1977 the government made it mandatory to blend 20% of ethanol with gasoline (E20), requiring just a minor adjustment on regular gasoline motors. Since 1991 the mandatory blend is allowed to vary nationwide between 20% to 25% of anhydrous ethanol, and since July 2007 the blend was set at E25. By the end of 2006 there were 33,000 filling stations throughout the country with at least one ethanol pump.[1] The Brazilian car manufacturing industry developed flexible-fuel vehicles that can run on any proportion of gasoline (E20-E25 blend) and hydrous ethanol (E100).[11] Introduced in the market in 2003, the flex-fuel vehicles became a commercial success,[12] and by August 2008, the fleet of "flex" cars and light commercial vehicles had reached 6.2 million new vehicles sold, which represents around 23% of Brazil's light-duty motor vehicle fleet.[13][14] The success of "flex" vehicles, as they are popularly known, together with the mandatory use of E25 blend of gasoline throughout the country, have allowed ethanol fuel to achieve a 50% market share of the gasoline-powered fleet by April 2008.[15][16][2] When trucks and other diesel-powered vehicles are considered, sugar cane based ethanol represented 18% of the country's total fuel consumption in 2006.[17][18]

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 7:42 a.m. CST

    I ate at an American-themed cafe...

    by Kid Z

    ...in Plymouth England once. Menu was weird... kinda like Apu's menu on that old Seinfeld episode... pizza, fajitas, gourmet burgers, pasta primavera... hot dogs (?!!?) They had a full bar, too. I ordered a Long Island Iced Tea. It tasted nothing link a Long Island Iced Tea, or even like any drink I ever had, or even good, but it gave me a nice buzz. The waitresses wore poodle skirts in sort of a 50's theme and our waitress seemed perplexed as to the reason why her uniform had a dog appliqued on it. "I really have no idea why there's a dog sewn to our skirts." All in all an unusual experience. As for this show... really, do you think any other country on Earth is gonna let millions of Yanks flood their shores? We're like locusts to most of the world, who look at us the way Agent Smith from Matrix views human beings. They'd let us all rot.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 7:44 a.m. CST

    It's funny with so many alternatives out there

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    we keep harping on oil, foreign in particular, when we get so much from here, and have so many alternatives. My personal theory is that it's just one big fear factor. They're trying to get us in a panic over oil so we'll pay more. The US companies don't care about consumers despite the PR commercials they're putting on. If they did, they'd be charging us less than OPEC.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 7:45 a.m. CST

    Buckminster Fuller claimed Alcohol 40% more effecient.

    by EvilWizardGlick

    In the early 80's I interviewed R. Buckminster Fuller. He stated that during WW2 he was part of the government testing Alcohol as a fuel. They ran a Ford and Chrysler engine for a year. <p> Alcohol proved to be %40 more efficient than gasoline but would require a retooling of engines produced at that time. <p> So the idea was scrapped.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 7:47 a.m. CST

    Grammaton Cleric Binks, No new US refineries built since 1976!

    by EvilWizardGlick

    http://money.cnn.com/2007/04/17/news/economy/refineries/index.htm <p>So why hasn't a new refinery been built in the U.S. since 1976? "There have been calls every year this decade for new refining capacity, yet no new projects initiated," said Geoff Sundstrom, a spokesman for AAA, the motorist organization. "Refining capacity has not kept pace with demand for gasoline."

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 7:50 a.m. CST

    The Formula

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Arthur Clements: [proposing that Titan Oil can raise their gasoline prices] The people will accept the 12 cents now because we can blame it on the Arabs! <p>Adam Steiffel, Chairman Titan Oil: Ah, Arthur, you're missing the point: We *are* the Arabs. <p>Adam Steiffel, Chairman Titan Oil: We're not in the oil business; we're in the oil shortage business!

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 8:08 a.m. CST

    Bottom line is whatever new solution is used

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    it will either piss off big oil, or the auto manufacturers. So,they'll dig their heels in, and try to stop it at all costs. That's why we have problems. In France, if I'm correct, and if I'm wrong please correct me, the majority of their power comes from nuclear plants. Three Mile Island and Chernobyl aside, it seems to be working well for them. It is a clean fuel as long as the reaction is contained in the plant. I believe one of the top PETA people quit within the past fews years because PETA is anti-nuclear anything. This gentleman was anti-nuclear weapons, but pro nuclear as energy. I'm curious now. I should research this more before I go off spouting some information that could be inaccurate.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 8:18 a.m. CST

    EvilWizardGlick

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    You sound like a well educated articulate person who can back up what they say with facts instead of spouting emotion. Kudos to you. You sound like some sort of engineer. It seems from what you're saying, and I'm sure you're far from being the only one, is that if we took corporate greed and politics out of the energy "crisis," and actually funded different programs there would be a plethora of alternatives that could still include oil. But, for the moment we're stuck in "the spice must flow" mentality. Yeah, we saw how well that work in God, Emperor of Dune.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 8:52 a.m. CST

    I think I speak for everyone....

    by redfist

    by saying....EvilWizardGlick and Grammation Cleric Binks, SHUT THE FUCK UP

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 8:56 a.m. CST

    redfist

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    Why don't you hop back on the short bus, and let people with intelligence have a conversation.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Interesting idea.

    by HoboCode

    But it seems they have it backwards. Immigrants fro maround the world will be flooding INTO the U.S., not out of it.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 9:24 a.m. CST

    Kid Z, McDonalds/Arby's/Wendy's American themed

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Yep those are the true American themed restaurants. <p> I just saw an article where some guy unfroze a McDonalds burger he bought in the eighties. It looked EXACTLY like the one he bought that day. <p> And the McDonalds plan was anywhere you went in the country ( eventually the world) you could buy the exact same meal, no variation by region.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Great, more hollywood bullshit

    by Jodet

    This sounds awful.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 9:25 a.m. CST

    "Vampires=Homosexuals"

    by HoboCode

    Bullshit. I've watched every episode of True Blood so far and this notion that Ball is being heavy handed in this allegory is utterly preposterous. The vampires can be an allegory for any minority group in the U.S. struggling for their civil rights. And for the record True Blood is quickly becoming my favorite show currently on TV next to Mad Men. It's extremely entertaining and quite humorous.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 9:25 a.m. CST

    HoboCode, Why?

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Economic collapse puts you about where Zimbabwe stands. <p> Are Immigrants flooding there?

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 9:27 a.m. CST

    redfist, Interupting your batin?

    by EvilWizardGlick

    If that was over your head watch Idiocracy. <p> The characters do remind me of your post.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 9:30 a.m. CST

    HoboCode, effeminate vampires seem to be the norm.

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Dracula was once "manly". <p> Now Vampires have become very effeminate. <p> Sure it varies somewhat from movie or book. <p> But overall they do seem "gayer" and more "sensitive". <p> Probably for marketing to a female audience.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 9:35 a.m. CST

    i can hear the theme song now..

    by palewook

    <p>Well we're waiting here in Americatown <p>For the USA we never found <p>For the promises our fathers gave <p>If we worked hard,If we behaved.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 9:41 a.m. CST

    HoboCode..re: direction of immigration...

    by Mistahtibbs

    <p>...agreed, but it wouldn't fit into, what I'm assuming (and, yes, I know all about what happens when one ass u me s)is, the left-leaning politics of the creators who got a giant boner at the thought of making America look bad.</p> <p>Oh, and Evil & Grammaton? Good stuff there. Articulate (if a bit long-winded copy/paste, and insightful) "The spice must flow?" Appropos, indeed.</p> <p>MT</p> <p>A resident of America's Hat.™</p>

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 9:42 a.m. CST

    That's good stuff palewook

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    The thing is the US was like that, now it's not. It used to be work hard, do your best, behave, and you'll be rewarded. I was actualy fired for doing my job. It all started going downhill when the personnel department became the human resources department. Our ancestors are laughing at us. I can see it now "you let people into this country, don't make them learn English, don't make them work, and give them free stuff?" As EvilWizardGlick pointed out Idiocracy is here.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 9:42 a.m. CST

    EvilWizardGlick

    by HoboCode

    The vampires on True Blood aren't effeminate at all. Where do you get that? Bill isn't effeminate. Eric wasn't effeminate. None of Bill's old coven is effeminate. That fat redneck from the first episode wasn't effeminate.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 9:45 a.m. CST

    Mistahtibbs

    by HoboCode

    Can you clarify? Not sure what you are saying?

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 9:46 a.m. CST

    "no variation by region".

    by Mr. Profit

    If this is true why is it that the further you go down the I95 to the south, the more likely your McDonald's hamburger will have mustard instead of ketchup?

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 10:17 a.m. CST

    I'M MOVING TO ENGLAND

    by BringingSexyBack

    I'll be staying at Lost Jarv's place.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 10:22 a.m. CST

    wow, this thread really brung out the crazies, huh?

    by newc0253

    i guess there's nothing like imaging america in a couple of generations to stimulate a bunch of nutjobs talking about peak oil, global warming and fast food.<p> in the future, i predict we will no longer worry about these things, but that's mostly because the CIA orbital mind control laser will make us willing slaves to the signal.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Heroes talkback??

    by Pennsy

    ??

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 11:04 a.m. CST

    will they like sour milk?

    by ArcadianDS

    cuz that would be fresh and original.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Great, another socialist open border wet dream...

    by The Nihilist

    ...combined with a certain element of revenge fantasy. "In 37 years, we'll show 'em! The US will be the crappy place to live and all the other countries will lord it over all those ugly americans trying to leave! Yeah, we'll get even with all those nasty red state types who actually wanted to secure their own borders, have some control over who enters and at least insist that they do so legally! This will be righteous justice for not letting in those humble immigrants, even though in the same breath we'll tell you that America is a mean, evil, racist state that no sane person would want to live in anyway!" Sigh. Is that damned "Song of Ice and Fire" series ever going to get off the ground? George RR Martin may be a moonbat but he at least seems to be able to rein it in a little.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 11:48 a.m. CST

    The Nihilist

    by HoboCode

    You're a fucking paranoid delusional idiot.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 12:01 p.m. CST

    I wonder if part of the economic disaster...

    by odysseus

    ...will include the system collapsing under the weight of too many illegal immigrants. Mind you, I said "illegal." Before you call me a xenophobe -- which I'm not -- it really is a genuine economic concern, right up there with incompetence on Wall Street. I make the point because HBO is usually so left-leaning, it's a turn-off to a centrist like me.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 12:28 p.m. CST

    Great idea.

    by Christopher3

    I wanted to see more of what was going on in those refugee camps in "Children of Men."

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Hell, we're damn near there already!

    by Darth_Kaos

    I like the premise, and the people involved are solid. Hope it happens.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Fuck you, HoboCode

    by Raymar

    You know Nihilist is dead on.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Does anyone wanna see a show called Americatown?

    by marlow2

    What the hell happened to HBO? It used to be cutting edge. They are morons for not doing another mafia show or a western show. In their attempt to be out of the box thinkers they are fucking themselves. How many cop shows on the air? How many doctor shows? How many lawyer shows? Do another mob story! We miss that world.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 1:20 p.m. CST

    "Fuck you"

    by topaz4206

    Such lively, intelligent debate -- just what I expect from this site.<br><br>That said, blaming immigrants for economic collapse is blaming the symptom and not the disease. The bigger issue is the welfare state that holds the hands of citizens, residents, and immigrants alike. Once that is eliminated, then a true free market of human capital can take place.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Deadwood and The Wire didn't have metaphors and allegories?

    by JediRob

    Which shows were you watching? I guess Sopranos, Six Feet Under ,Carnivale and Rome were all straight shooters too?

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 1:33 p.m. CST

    HoboCode, Not all

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Eric was kind of gay. <p> The one who offered Jerry to Bill was kind of gay. <p> Bill almost doing Jerry was equivalent to Tarantino's rant about Top Gun. <p> Overall I didn't limit myself to True Blood.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Mr. Profit, Shouldn't.

    by EvilWizardGlick

    McDonalds burgers should be standard all over the world. <p> And obviously since the 80's.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 1:38 p.m. CST

    It is illegals not greedy rich destroying the US?

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Could have fooled me. <p>Rich people make a mockery of the justice system. <p> Rich people scam the system via their connections and donations. <p> Rich people, and corporations, avoid paying their fair share of taxes. <p> Now rich people want the Socialism we plebes never will get.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 1:59 p.m. CST

    EvilWizardGlick

    by odysseus

    Dude, I said "part" of the disaster. Obviously, there's culpability in the Wall Street world -- but blaming the rich for everything is just naive. (For instance, on the plus side, "rich people" provide an awful lot of jobs, you know.) People on the far left who keep their heads in the sand about welfare, illegal immigration, etc. are missing the bigger picture based on misdirected compassion.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 2:02 p.m. CST

    ColWTH

    by odo19

    How about you just leave now?

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Can't they just bring Carnivale back?

    by Johnny Smith

    This sounds like it's gonna cost as much.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Since sequels are the norm these days...

    by Pennsy

    Are we gonna get a Heroes talkback soon?

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Year Zero???

    by mrfantomashawk

    I hope their not just modifying Trent Reznor's Year Zero idea, I know he's been in talks with HBO about a series, and this sounds awfully close.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Yeah--bring CARNIVALE back...

    by Le Vicious Fishus

    And can you wipe my memory clean of the excruciatingly bad second half of the second season while you're at it? <BR><BR>Thanks.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Oh, and F Congress for pussying out on the bailout bill.

    by Pennsy

    Sorry, but something's better than nothing. Nobody on either side got what they wanted, but things can't go on like they are. Do these dickhead congressmen want the Dow to go down a thousand points?

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 3:29 p.m. CST

    odysseus, How wrong you are.

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Most people on welfare are white single mothers. Many of those have either left an abusive relationship or their husband dropped them for ANY NUMBER OF REASONS. <p> Illegals actually add money to things like social security which they will never get back bnecause they work illegally and will not collect the benefits due them. <p> What was the last job Paris Hilton created? <p> Rich people do not create jobs. Most of todays rich are inherited wealth rich, like say Will Smith's kids or John Travoltas. How many jobs have they created this year? <p> Small business was the traditional creator of jobs. Those owners were mainly middle class. <p> Modern day economics and bad politics have virtually destroyed the middle class and their job creating ability. <p> Google that shit, from a non-partisan source not some Repub or Dem douchebag, and see for yourself.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Pennsy, Soviet Union.

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Drop in the dow affects very few people. Working poor who have nothing invested aren't hurt. That would be the majority of americans if not world population. <p> What we are seeing is a NORMAL reset of an artificially inflated economy. Greenspan used the housing bubble to replace the dotcom bubble when it burst. Now that the housing bubble burst the market are resetting to where they should have been in the nineties when dot com burst. <p>But what should scare everyone is the government printing oddles of cash to prop up a bad economy until after the election. <p> I'm surprised the Plunge Protection team didn't jump in today. But then again it adds to Bushco's fearmongering on a failing economy.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Soviet Union, I forgot

    by EvilWizardGlick

    This is what people in the Soviet Union watched happen as it collapsed. <p> Except we are more plugged in.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Now I know what HBO stands for these days

    by King Kull

    Help, we need a Bail Out, too.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 4:15 p.m. CST

    This sounds a lot like the sub-plot of Dark Angel

    by Yeti

    Terrorists had detenated som sort of pulse over North America wiping out all electronic equipment and plumenting the continent into a third world status (even more so then it already is)

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Where's BIG LOVE!

    by Andre the Frog

    My appetite for bigamy is unstated.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 4:56 p.m. CST

    That's HWNBO.

    by JediRob

    But you knew that. HBO is doing fine.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 5:17 p.m. CST

    OZ meets Children of Men

    by Stalkeye

    This shit sounds a bit formularic, and with Fontana producing expect scenes of anal rape.It's not TV, It's HoMO.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 5:18 p.m. CST

    HEROES TALKBACK???

    by Pennsy

    WTF?

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Is this the Supernatural Talkback?

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    I'm groovin on the no Heroes TB thing.<p> It sends the perfect message to the network, show runners and writers.<p> I read that this seasons premiers viewership was down like 30% over last years

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 6:08 p.m. CST

    Or it could be NBC

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    didn't send along any info<p> You know, to punish us for trash talking their trash.<br> The show they ruined.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Well, here's your economic disaster!

    by Christopher3

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 6:52 p.m. CST

    doesn't chuck start in 10 minutes?

    by Holodigm

    doesn't it?

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 7:20 p.m. CST

    will this future have flying cars?

    by Itto Ogami loses Daigoro

    And will they be made by Ford, Toyota, or Volkswagen?

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 7:44 p.m. CST

    It could be interesting...

    by _Maltheus_

    ...but it'll more likely irritate me. The global warming crap will soon go the same way as the global cooling crap of the 70s went. But given peak oil and peak every other resource, coming with peak debt and (coming to a store near you) hyperinflation, they could really fashion a more realistic view of the future than what we typically see. Google, 'chris martenson crash course' if you want to get a sense of what 2045 will be like. That video should be mandatory viewing. It's not conspiratorial, nor is it partisan and you WILL get sucked into it.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 8:03 p.m. CST

    where the Eff is the heroes talkback

    by StrokerX

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Sergio Mimica-Gezzan directed tonight's Heroes epi.

    by Pennsy

    And that's why I have somewhat high hopes for it; he helmed some of BSG's better episodes - Occupation and Precipice, for starters. He also did You Can't Go Home Again, Fragged, Home (Pt 1) and The Captain's Hand.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 8:15 p.m. CST

    "Advantage, us."

    by Pennsy

    Daphne - meh.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 8:18 p.m. CST

    So the second episode and already one of the V's

    by Pennsy

    gets capped - by his own partner in crime.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 8:28 p.m. CST

    titties!!

    by BurgerKing

    I hope theres lots of them.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 8:41 p.m. CST

    Oops...

    by Pennsy

    Poor Noah... :)

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 8:44 p.m. CST

    Too much slapstick tonight, even with the bank siege stuff.

    by Pennsy

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 8:51 p.m. CST

    Yikes, nothing slapstick about that

    by Spifftacular Squirrel Girl

    Anyone else just go "pop goes the Weevil?"

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 8:54 p.m. CST

    So much for a Veronica-Weevil hookup down the line

    by Pennsy

    Wow. The only thing that's worked so far is the Claire-BioMom stuff. It's going to be the first glimpse of the Cheerverine going bad in the future.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 8:55 p.m. CST

    Herc is a whore and still owes me a t-shirt

    by MacFaux

    Oh my wow we wow. What a giant exposure of Herc and the crews' total subservience to Time Warner. I wonder what it must be like to completely spread your cheeks for a corporation. To give up the poo poo to your master in spite of all artistic necessity..and integrity. hmmm. Herc and friends are Time Warners bitches. 3 HBO post's of some such crappy productions on the front page and no Heroes mention of the best episode yet. What a full on beat down. What totally exposure finally of the total media whores they are...God, it is sad.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Clones?!?!?!

    by Spifftacular Squirrel Girl

    And magical headphones... neato.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 8:58 p.m. CST

    I gotta get me those headphones!

    by Pennsy

    ;)

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 9:02 p.m. CST

    That was a fun episode

    by Spifftacular Squirrel Girl

    Sure some of it's not great but it's nice to finally watch this show and have the story progessing forward. <p> Plus, excluding narration, no Suresh isn't a bad thing by any means.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 9:09 p.m. CST

    OK, we're appropriating this talkback, then...

    by Pennsy

    Yes!

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 9:10 p.m. CST

    "What are you doing?" "I'm being awesome!"

    by Pennsy

    Ando's power of !AWESOME! was good. Except for the being captured and locked up in Level 5 stuff, that is. :)

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Pennsy

    by BadMrWonka

    do we HAVE to appropriate this one? my funny jokes are above, and I was hoping they would catch on!

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 9:22 p.m. CST

    Oops...and DAMN YOU WONKA!

    by Pennsy

    Nah, we don't need to appropriate it now. :)

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 9:25 p.m. CST

    Now we needs us Michael Rymer to direct a few eps...

    by Pennsy

    And they'll be even better off.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 9:32 p.m. CST

    You hold any majic mushrooms?

    by MacFaux

    Herc, you sack of puss, you just deeked a show that had some such bold writers who profferd:<br><br> "You hold any magic Mushrooms?"<br><br> How much of a giant corporate doooosh have you become? That is rhetorical by the by. Silly sad dingleberry. Count Chocula is not amused.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 9:42 p.m. CST

    um, MacFaux

    by BadMrWonka

    put down the mushroom, brother...you are seriously not making any sense...

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Pennsy, by the bye

    by BadMrWonka

    I'm up $1700 in online poker so far tonight, and it's not even 8pm pacific time...<p>I'm SO looking forward to a well deserved Heroes break!<p> this is what I do when I do what I do at poker:<p> http://img407.imageshack.us/my.php?image=glassesur2.jpg <p> ya heard?!?!!?

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Hey Herc, forgive me..

    by MacFaux

    I don't mean to expose your broad broad backside anymore than it is already out there..tighty whitey pulled down to your ankles in invitation and blinding the greater portion of humanity. But, I just got of the blackberry with Bewkes and Cappuccio and they told me tell you to spit out there jimmy cause other some such hookers need to eat too.<br><br> Just sayin...wooooooooo<br><br> never google macfaux.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 9:47 p.m. CST

    MacFaux

    by BadMrWonka

    you shall be forgiven for all except this: it's "by the bye", not "by the by"...boooooooo

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 9:49 p.m. CST

    macfaux

    by BadMrWonka

    why, cos if you google you, you might find this?<p> http://www.zazzle.com/macfaux<p> hot topic, indeed...<br> jackass...

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 9:50 p.m. CST

    dammit

    by BadMrWonka

    I blew the < p >!!!!

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 9:50 p.m. CST

    Those glasses are Kanye-esque, Wonka...

    by Pennsy

    Almost. <p> Yay, we have a Heroes TB. Power to the peeps! :D

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 9:54 p.m. CST

    @ BadMrWonka

    by MacFaux

    that is your behind the curtain alias? Well, how is the the weather there? How can you you be so thick to miss the goody? Why does no one remember 'the goodies'! That was good fun<br><br> Fili-Krushel wants you to stop googling MacFaux

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 10:26 p.m. CST

    @ BadMrWonka, thanks doctor ordinator

    by MacFaux

    But, my kobayashi maru...have you lost your ever loving mind? Ok, crazy town, good on you mate. You managed to word web yourself some such knowledge, but ya blind drank yourself past the context. Thumbs up, cat. Point out the dictionary def while your mini mental understanding goes hippity hopping by the point. Thanks again for registering the notion of 'point of fact'<br><br> Yet, oh, my, holy spaghetti monster moronity. Are you cranilly challenged, or just a wee lad who does not know better. ..Well, next time, knucklehead, start with the word 'rhetorical' or maybe 'silly' and factor the functor before you make yourself more stupid. Maybe? <br><br> Unless, this really is the phony Herc, anonymously avataring..and then just know, I love you baba, but you still owe me a t-shirt and you are TWX's high dollar call girl.<br><br>Oh my holy on the cross wanker. Stop googling MacFaux.

  • Sept. 29, 2008, 10:36 p.m. CST

    MacFaux

    by BadMrWonka

    I know abotu the flying spaghetti monster...<p> I don['t know what the hell else you're talking about. but hey, have fun!

  • Sept. 30, 2008, 12:13 a.m. CST

    Yet another HBO show that sucks ASS!!

    by sns

    Does anybody still watch HBO?

  • Sept. 30, 2008, 9:14 a.m. CST

    Evilwizardglick, you ignorant slut...

    by The Nihilist

    ...you have no idea what you're talking about with your Daily Kos boilerplate about the rich. Most wealthy people in this country are first generation wealthy who have--and I know this is gonna be a shocker to a lot of people, so brace yourselves--worked hard, saved, and made prudent financial choices to get where they are. Go read "The Millionaire Next Door" and the second book, "The Millioniare Mind" and educate yourself. Yes, I know the talkback is more or less over, but I couldn't let such bilge stand.

  • Sept. 30, 2008, 11:31 a.m. CST

    There's a talkback on a proposed series

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    but no talkback on Sons of Anarchy. I wan SAMCRO.