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12:50 P.M. ET: John McCain now says he will debate Barack Obama tonight, despite the stall on the bailout negotiations.
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“Why is AICN covering politics!!” the talkbacker writes. “I just want to read about who plays Lex’s new assistant on ‘Smallville’ and new Johnny Depp pirate movies!!”
Why not mention it? Everybody else is, and there may be very little else on TV tonight.
And for the record, Ain’t It Cool News has been posting posts about the debates since it began, and I can prove it.
Here’s one from October 2000!
Here’s one from October 2004!
And even if John McCain pulls out of Friday’s long-scheduled debate with Barack Obama, one suspects AICN readers might be keen to discuss why we might be getting “Deal or No Deal” and “Ghost Whisperer” repeats tonight.
From the Associated Press:
WASHINGTON (AP) — Prospects were questionable at best that John McCain and Barack Obama would meet Friday for their first presidential debate as progress appeared to dissolve between Congress and the Bush administration on a $700 billion financial industry bailout.
McCain didn't plan to participate in the debate unless there was a consensus. Obama still wants the face-off to go on and was scheduled to travel to the debate site in Oxford, Miss., on Friday.
"I believe that it's very possible that we can get an agreement in time for me to fly to Mississippi," McCain said late Thursday. "I understand how important this debate is and I'm very hopeful. But I also have to put the country first."
In turn, Obama said: "Obviously the biggest priority is making sure that we get this deal done. But I also think it's important to describe to the American people where the next president wants to take the country and how he's going to deal with this crisis."
Are there any Republicans out there who think Obama’s right about wanting to talk about the economic crisis in a public forum? Are there any Democrats out there who think it would be wrong for McCain to let his fellow senators manage the crisis for a few hours while he’s down in Mississippi yakking it up with the other guy who wants to succeed George Walker Bush?
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What better time to debate than during a major national crisis? It's not like these two shitbirds need to be in Washington anyway. They haven't been there all year, so why start worrying now? This opportunity could uniquely show who really appears presidential.
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Really, he's not even on the comittee that's handling the crisis, so he really has no reason to be in Washington. Plus, the economy is not his strong suit, nobody is going to take advice from a guy who doesn't know what he's talking about. <br> <br> Just give Obama 90 minutes by himself. He'll be up 20 in the polls by October.
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I am one of the people who complained about politics and aicn. And I still don't think they should be mixed. <p> However, having a talkback about the debates is OK because it has something to do with TV. As is having stories about Micheal Moore. The guy makes movies. <p> However, having a talkback about the producer of a canceled show's 'opinion' on the vice presidential candidate is not 'cool news' and is unnecessary.
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Buckle up, kids...this talkback's gonna be fun!
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Sen. Barack Obama said he called McCain about 8:30 a.m. Wednesday, "after determining that many of the principles that I had set forth were ones that Sen. McCain adopted as well in terms of how this financial proposal should be structured." Democratic presidential nominee Obama said Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Oklahoma, came up with the idea of issuing a joint statement agreeing on some "broad principles" that he and McCain shared on resolving differences in the rescue plan. McCain campaign spokesman Brian Rogers said the Republican senator did not take Obama's call but rather called him back later in the day. Obama said, "[McCain] called me back at about 2:30 this afternoon after our rally, and I asked him to join me in issuing a joint statement to let this Congress and this administration know where we stand and what we expect from this proposal, because of the past few days, it's been clear that we have come to agree on some broad principles." Obama added that McCain agreed to the suggestion of issuing a joint statement. McCain, according Rogers, suggested that the two presidential candidates have a meeting in Washington "to lead a bipartisan effort to solve this problem" and that they both suspend their campaigns and hold off on Friday's presidential debate. Obama said his intent was focused on issuing a joint statement first. But shortly after the call ended, Obama said, his rival appeared on television announcing the suspension and the subsequent debate no-show. "I think the only possible miscommunication that might have been how quickly there was an announcement and someone was on television. I think my assumption was that the joint statement would go out initially,Obama said.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 12:40 a.m. CST
If you believe McCains ploy, you are officially an idiot
by IndustryKiller!
Democrat, Republican I don't care, we are just into basic common sense here. In my admittedly short life this is easily the shadiest thing I've ever seen a politician do during an election. the man has absolutely no expertise and has nothing to offer that his fellow senators can't cover and he damn well knows it. 40 some odd days before the election and this guy wants to postpone debates for n reason that could possibly concern him? What in the blue hell kind of sick parlor trick is this. Seriously does ANYONE believe that this isn't just a fucking red herring? Because if you do I know of a bridge in Brooklyn I can get you an incredible deal on. I used to have a lot of respect for John McCain, but what there was left has flown right out the damn window, he should be ashamed of himself,
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Jackie Chan wouldn't have done these stunts in the 80s! Evil Kenievel is biting his nails! David Blaine... Oh wait, nevermind, David Blaine doesn't do stunts, he's just a douchebag. Holy shit... I see it now... McCain Blaine '08!
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So now McCain actually wants to show up for Senate.
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Please let that happen. Although, if McCain is stupid enough to let that happen, he deserves to be President even less than I thought he does.
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That should have said "If McCain's handlers are stupid enough to let that happen." Didn't mean to imply the dude has anything to do with the actions his overlords dictate he take.
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Here we go again: another talkback dedicated to bickering about politics.
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"Are there any Republicans out there who think Obama’s right about wanting to talk about the economic crisis in a public forum?"<p> The topic of Friday's debate is foreign policy, not the economy. Congratulations on being a mindless hack who thinks that just because they refer to politics, they KNOW something about it. Try doing a little bit more research...
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Sorry for the multiple posts, this shit just has me really fired up. The whole media-created non issue of the candidates using this as an opportunity to "appear Presidential" is bullshit. If what McCain is doing is trying to appear Presidential, well in my opinion the dude is failing pretty severely. Nothing he has done has made me think "Wow, he looks just like the President does in my imagination."<P>And Obama seems truly interested in doing what anyone who's been paying attention for the last 8 years would do, if they had access to the people he's got the opportunity to be around-- hold the people responsible's fucking feet to the fire and ask why this happened and how we can believe them when they tell us it won't happen again! We gotta remember that the people who are now saying they're going to fix it with a trillion dollar loan to them, are the same imbeciles who got us into this mess in the first place! Do we want a President who placates them or a President who holds them accountable?<P>Shit, maybe this is about acting Presidential after all.
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You gotta be kidding me if you think that economics will not be discussed tomorrow night, whether or not McCain shows.
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Perhaps you should be the one doing a little bit of research. Jim Lehrer is on the record saying he will likely ask some questions about the economy tomorrow. From today's New York Times: “I am not restrained from asking questions about the financial crisis,” Mr. Lehrer said in an e-mail message. “Stay tuned!”
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Economics wouldn't be discussed.<p> Hell, I'd prefer them TO discuss the Economy, as it was entirely destroyed by the Democrat congress. Frannie Mae and Freddie Mac are both government controlled banks that act as the personal atm of some of the democrat elite. Follow the money...
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This isn't some post bashing either candidate, but how can one be a republican one election, and then a democrat four years later? Furthermore, it you're still fucking undecided after months and months of speeches, you are a moron. McCain "delaying" the campaign? Seriously, what the fuck?
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Really? You see this as "Obama never seemed to provide any substantive answer to a question"? Obama's answers to the top 14 science questions facing America: http://www.sciencedebate2008.com/www/index.php?id=40 Obama's four-part interview with Bill O'Reilly: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=C7B69EE8F4A2055E which led to O'Reilly posting this on his site: "On the foreign policy front, Obama has convinced me that he is tough but cautious. He rose up quickly because he vehemently opposed the Iraq war. But now I see a man who understands the victory that has taken place in Iraq. I don't believe he wants to screw that up." http://www.billoreilly.com/newslettercolumn?pid=24183 And, finally, compare and contrast two press conferences about the economy from the same four-hour time span: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/26873212#26873212 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/26874590#26874590 McCain reads his prepared statement and then bolts. Obama sticks around to answer unscripted questions from the press. If you haven't seen substance from Obama, sir, you simply haven't been paying attention.
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I'm not going to join the John McCain bandwagon, but those of you who think Obama is any better will be sorely disappointed after he's been in office a few months. If these two are the best America can produce, then we deserve the mess we're in.
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...stand up and say to the House Republicans, whose alternate version of the bill is a major point of contention, "look, for the good of the country, we need to pass this legislation now." If they pass it, he wins because he managed to get the Republicans to work with him. If they refuse, he wins because the Republicans stalled the efforts at the risk of exposing the American taxpayer to financial ruin. I'm not saying that it's the truth, I'm saying that's how it'll be played. The same goes for McCain, who is likely planning to play that exact trump card (which would explain why he "cut short his campaign" to go to Washington for the economic crisis in the first place). Look, I'm no lover of Republicans in general or McCain in particular, but I'm no fan of politics getting in the way of what's best for America, either. We need to settle this, one way or another, and let the economy do whatever it's gonna do. I will say, however, that if government regulation hadn't been pulled back during the Ford and Reagan administrations, we wouldn't be so deep in this mess. There's enough blame to go around for BOTH parties, but isn't it interesting that the worst general economic downturns in recent memory (the 1987 crash and the 1991 recession) both occurred during long Republican presidential terms? Recall that the gas crisis in the 1970s occurred at the tail end of Ford's term in office and spiked during Carter's term as a direct result of the Iran hostage crisis. Recall also that gas prices didn't go down during Reagan's term, they went up...WAY up. In fact, gas prices have only spiked so much under one other president: George W. Bush. They went back down during Clinton's term of office, and stayed down, but then rose precipitously again under Bush, Jr. So, ponder that.
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You also gotta admit, PirateEmery, that someone who doesn't understand the connection between foriegn policy and our own economic health here at home shouldn't be President. It's only natural for questions about the economy to come up when discussing foreign policy. For example, "Do you think spending trillions of imaginary dollars on a war with no exit strategy was good for the US economy?" would be a question I would ask myself. Especially before I suggested that the US economy and US foreign policy are not related and have no place being discussed in the same debate.
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Ahh yes, infantile namecalling. The hallmark of a true intellectual. I apologize for assuming you were a rational person and provided concrete examples to which you might give consideration. (P.S. I'm a registered independent. Thanks for playing, though.)
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Wow. I try to take what either side says with a grain of salt, as its all politics, so I didn't quite believe the negative words towards Palin...but then I saw her interviews. Do republicans honestly want this women in the white house? I'm sure shes intelligent, but if she gets too stressed to make sense while answering questions from Katie fucking Couric, I'd reconsider my vote.
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Do you really think there's not a 100% chance economics won't be discussed if the debate goes forward? <p>It would be like not mentioning terrorism if the debates were held Sept. 12, 2001.
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McCain and Palin are the worst presidential ticket ever assembled...and Palin was picked as stunt casting to match up to the looks of Obama's family, but white--and in regard to Palin herself, cast because she is a female, roughly Obama's age, in order to get the youth demographic and steal the female vote away, the so called Hillary supporters!!! Now, Palin has been exposed in interviews as completely unqualified to be a Vice-President, or President, not because she is a woman...but because she is the wrong woman. Christie Todd Whitman would have been the right choice. She may be pro-abortion, if I recall, but the Republicans were going to come-out and vote for their ticket anyway, because they are paranoid zealots, religious extremists and racists, all they care about is winning, hypocrisy, hate, and lies are tools of their trade. But at least with Whitman on the ticket, they would have had a brilliant woman...but no, they chose to go with Palin because she makes for a good photo-op and can read speeches very well...but she is horrible without a script. This woman is essentially an actor. Now that fact is coming out, and is backfiring on the McCain/Palin ticket, as Americans realize that they, the Carl Rove Republicans, picked her (and her family) just for physical looks and age, nothing else.<BR><BR>Obama and Biden should show-up for the scheduled debates even if McCain and Palin refuse to show-up. At this point, it seems to me, with us in a new, and undeclared Great Depression, the Republicans may be trying to throw the election so they can sit out a term or two, and blame the resulting financial fall-out on the Democrates. Hence, their willingness now to throw the election, their Plan B!!!<BR><BR>P.S.--Palin doesn't know what the Bush Doctrine is??? For those of you who don't know, including Palin, The Bush Doctrine is in Palin's panties, something that the man she cheated on her husband with, knows all about, chapter and verse!!! Now that's my kind of Bush...Doctrine!!! I'm not being sexist, just turning what is an unitentional joke, into a real one. And although it doesn't translate well in print, this one is going to get around...and you'll hear some comedian or talk show host say it, sure enough, if not, it'll find its' way onto Saturday Night Live, just you wait and see!!!
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is the most insulting and dangerous decision ever made in the history of american politics and it should disqualify mccain from ther presidency. has anyone seen her interviews? this is a slap in the face to all of us and I cannot believe the republicans are happy with this. Nor do I believe the polls are as close as the media makes out. If they are then I feel incredibly sad for the state of our countries mentality. and for the record I voted for bush in 2000 and I have been incredibly sorry ever since and I apologise to all of you.
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You hit the nail on the head. As soon as the primaries were over, I figured we'd have a do-over for both the Republicans and the Democrats, as both of their candidates sucked. Obama was proven to be an inexperienced empty suit who had quite a hate-filled past (compliments of Rev. Wright), and McCain was an angry old geezer who tried to switch to the Democrat party in 2002 and is now saying whatever he wants to the Republican Base in order to get elected and get back at them for the 2000 primaries.<p> They both suck.
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two weeks ago but there is no way they are not going to talk about what has happened. If mccain is incapable of doing two things at once then he should step aside and retire.
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Stand up, slappy jones, and let them see you! Oh, God love ya, what am I talking about? You know what, stand up for slappy jones!
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Great post, but I think Obama is too principled a dude to go for the bill as it exists now. He's more in the Kucinich mold than he lets on, and while that makes me want him to be President more than a whole lot of things, it's also what has me a little worried about his chances-- I honestly do think he's not going to go for a bill that will bring the US so close to a fascist state (and I'm not just throwing alarming terms around-- think about what it means when a capitalist government has an 80% stake in *every company* that lends people money), and then when the country is in the inevitable economic turmoil that's going to happen over the next few months no matter what-- McCain will be able to say "Well if he'd just signed the bill this wouldn't have happened!" and all Obama will be able to say is "Even if I'd signed it, this would have happened anyway."<P>I'm the biggest Obama supporter you'll find, but (or, more aptly, so) this is my concern right now.
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If there was a debate held in the September after an election year, there would be more to worry about than just terrorism.
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I just read your intelligent post, and had to laugh when i read your name. Does anyone remember that SNL skit where Jack Black played a reporter for High Times. I can't remember what exactly he uncovered, but suffice it to say no one believed him since he worked for high times.
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I was wondering if one of them was the YouTube link of that batshit African preacher (Muthee) laying his hands on Palin and telling her to reject witchcraft. This guy makes Reverend Wright look pretty mainstream. He's known for being a freakin' witchhunter in Africa. Involving slandering and violence towards innocent women. And Palin's actually credited him for helping her rise to the governorship. If this doesn't scare people about Palin, I don't know what will. Talk about a theocratic state, with her whole 'mission' talk. Even the idea (unproven that it is) that this a ploy to cancel her debate is just so ridiculous. She's been so isolated and cut off from the press, because they know she can't handle it. Or, as Campbell Brown suggested, the McCain campaign is being way more sexist than any of their false rage about supposed 'sexist' treatment of her by the media. They're trying so hard to protect her. It's disgusting.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 1:13 a.m. CST
McCain solves Crisis by his awesome Congressional power of 1 vot
by G100
Someone needs to tell McCain not just about Computers but the Magical SquawkBoxes that mean you can talk to people from vast distances.<p> <p>Timeout everyone McCains getting hammered in the Polls.<p> <p>Obama might even get a whole hour or so to himself on Prime Time. Good Move McCain.<p> <p>And Pirate EVEN for satire blaming this on the Democrats is farcical.<p> <p>What's that? Follow the Fannie and Freddie Money ? If you insist. Lets look at the McCain staffers...<p> <p>One of them was Fannie Mae's head of lobbying, and spread tens of millions of dollars around Washington in the form of lobbying contracts. A number of McCain staffers were on the receiving end of those contracts, collecting hundreds of thousands of dollars each from the lenders to rep their interests. And McCain's campaign manager served as president of a lobbying association that fought to protect Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae from the sort of regulation that McCain is now proposing.<p> <p>Aquiles Suarez, listed as an economic adviser to the McCain campaign in a July 2007 McCain press release, was formerly the director of government and industry relations for Fannie Mae. The Senate Lobbying Database says Suarez oversaw the lending giant's $47,510,000 lobbying campaign from 2003 to 2006.<p> <p>And other current McCain campaign staffers were the lobbyists receiving shares of that money. According to the Senate Lobbying Database, the lobbying firm of Charlie Black, one of McCain's top aides, made at least $820,000 working for Freddie Mac from 1999 to 2004. The McCain campaign's vice-chair Wayne Berman and its congressional liaison John Green made $1.14 million working on behalf of Fannie Mae for lobbying firm Ogilvy Government Relations. Green made an additional $180,000 from Freddie Mac. Arther B. Culvahouse Jr., the VP vetter who helped John McCain select Sarah Palin, earned $80,000 from Fannie Mae in 2003 and 2004, while working for lobbying and law firm O'Melveny & Myers LLP. In addition, Politico reports that at least 20 McCain fundraisers have lobbied for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, pocketing at least $12.3 million over the last nine years.<p> <p>For years McCain campaign manager Rick Davis was head of the Homeownership Alliance, a lobbying association that included Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, real estate agents, homebuilders, and non-profits. According to Politico, the organization opposed congressional attempts at regulation of Fannie and Freddie, along the lines of what John McCain is currently proposing. In his capacity of president of the group, Davis went on record in 2003 and insisted that no further reform of the lenders was necessary, in contradiction to his current boss's sentiments. "[Fannie and Freddie] are subject to an innovative and stringent risk-based capital stress test," Davis wrote. "The toughest in the financial services industry."
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save your country? you mean save your 13 cars and 6 homes. mccain stop acting like a president to make us think you're somekind of amazing leader. you're the same shit as bush. all about money and war. only you can speak. unfortunatly you have the personality of a wall.
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Yeah, this name is real bait for the book-by-the-cover types, but what can I say... it's who I am. Glad it made you laugh, that's what it's there for.
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He needs something to distract us from the fact that he took loads of money from Freddie and Fannie, and has ties to two former CEOs who got away with tens of millions of dollars in bonuses while driving the mortgage industry into the ground. Yeah, McCain didn't have to be there for this, but he would have been criticized either way. Oh yeah, and Obama's toast after the debates anyway. He may make a good speech but people are starting to realize how little experience this man has, and how little he actually has to say. People are not going to go for that during an economic crisis, especially during a war.
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So stipulated. But you didn't answer my question. <p> Do you really REALLY think me an idiot because I believe economics will be discussed during tomorrow's debate if it goes forward?
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if he does show up I'll be expecting him to act like Woody Woodpecker when he goes nuts.
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Dude, in the depression that we're either in or about to inevitably be in, the ONLY person who can get us out of it is someone who knows what the lives of actual, working people are like. Take a little trip back in time to FDR's handling of the Great Depression, specifically the WPO: the dude used governmental power to create jobs that catered specifically to incredibly diverse talents all types of professionals throughout America, and their salaries were paid by the government! Now come back to the present and let me ask you this:<P>Instead of using a *TRILLION* dollars-- that's $1,000,000,000,000-- to basically buy a bunch of credit card companies for their own profit, why does the government not use that same trillion dollars to help literally everybody else in the country get back on their feet after the rampant oversights of just a few gigantic, and grossly irresponsible, money houses completely fuck them out of everything they've been working towards their whole lives?
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Watch the video here: http://www.michaelmoore.com/
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Right, Gus?
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yeah, there's this crazy idea going around that the government should, instead of bailing out these idiot companies, give the money directly to the American people. So 85 billion used to bail out AIG distributed among, say, 200 million adults over 18. That's about 425,000 a person! And it could still be taxed, so tons of money could still go right back to Uncle Sam. Imagine what you could do with that money - buy a house, pay off debt. It boggles the mind. Even though I'm an Obama supporter, it's clear politicians would rather control this than actually help the American people. Screw the insurance companies.
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Barack Obama's got the experience that actually COUNTS in the situation the country is facing, is my point. His experience as a community organizer is more important than anything John McCain's been through *in the context of this campaign*-- not to belittle McCain's experiences as a POW-- it's just the simple fact that right now we need a leader who doesn't see working Americans as an obstacle to higher profits for the companies that donated the most money to his campaign. We need a leader who sees the wellbeing of the working American as his responsibility.<P>Obama is that leader. To think otherwise is to lie to one's self. Search your feelings... you know it to be true.
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Obamawill turn it into a 90 minute town hall meeting or give moderator Jim Lerher an exclusive ninety minute interview. Either way, Obama would become the focus of media attention all weekend. McCain cannot afford that.
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100% agree that Obama's experience as a community organizer is the EXACT experience the country needs at this moment of time. Ironic that McCain and Palin tried to make it a joke of some sort. Who's laughing now?
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Let the debates or non-debates for the next one-term - and severly ineffective - president begin. Neither of these guys is going to do much for this country.
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When he chose Palin. She's basically Dan Quayle with tits, only more stupid and unqualified. Why else is she being shielded from the media? And that decision tells me Mcain isn't to be trusted. He sure the fuck isn't putting "America first" with that poor choice. Normally I'd be in favor of a divided government situation, but not this time. Anybody who votes for Mcain at this point after everything ( hey the economy is basically sound right, senator?WRONG!) that's happened is simply stupid.
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McCain, even with the grandstanding that he's doing, will show up. It was a political maneuver and it utterly failed. McCain has little to do with the actual drafting of the bill. He could by all accounts simply get a call on his BlackBerry and he'd be just as important to it. Allowing Obama to have national air time alone hammering away at the issue of the economy makes McCain really look like he doesn't understand the economic forces especially those that tie directly into foreign policy. If he already isn't in Oxford, my bet is he'll be on a plane there tomorrow morning.
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From Mudflats today (http://mudflats.wordpress.com/): <p> "After the unbearably painful performance by Palin during her recent interview with Katie Couric, it's obvious to most that she is not ready for the Vice Presidential debate next week. Whether the interview is the reason, or only part of the reason that McCain has fled his own debate with Barack Obama scheduled for Friday isn't entirely clear. <p> "The McCain camp has requested that the Presidential debate be moved to the date of the Vice Presidential debate, conveniently delaying the Vice Presidential debate to an unknown date in the future. Presumably this will give Palin some much-needed extra time to bone up on all the things she would have learned if she had ever studied or participated in international diplomacy, and matters outside the state of Alaska. <p> "It's also not clear yet, whether this 'delay tactic' is going to work. Barack Obama has said that if McCain doesn't show up to the debate, he'll be there to hold a Town Hall meeting instead, leaving the Vice Presidential debate to go on as scheduled. Interesting... <p> "'Delay' is apparently the theme of the day for our Republican VP nominee. Today we hear that Palin has requested, and received a four day extension for the disclosure of her personal finances. The new release date for these forms? October 3rd, the day AFTER her scheduled debate with Joe Biden."
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Which might be good enough to buy a Blu-ray player, but not nearly enough to buy a house.
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...McCain/Palin in televised debates. This fact is not lost to the GOP handlers. They'll take as much prep time as they are afforded.
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Damn!
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Him bowing out of the debate just shows that he is ill prepared to take on Obama as it serves as a stall tactic and especially now that the growing consensus are of anti repulican sentiment thanks to one of the worst financial disasters in history.There's no way this ol flip flopping fuckhead is gonna win the election unless Americans are that stupid right.....<p>......right?!?
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Acording to the NY Times.<p> <p>Doesn't really sound like McCain was actually DOING much apart from a photo-op in a meeting with Bush.<p> <p>Besides it seems McCain still doesn't even know if he supports the Bill or not.<p> <p>What exactly is he going to do if he doesn't even know WHAT to do ?<p> <p>McCain - "The issue of economics is not something I’ve understood as well as I should"<br> <br>Reassuring to know.
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... I just hope there's enough money left in the system to finish "Lost"! <br><br> Seriously, though, as a UK citizen considering emigrating to Canada with my Canadian girlf I'm watching these events with great interest. <br><br>I think the UK is currently about 6 months behind the US and we're all facing the greatest financial and economic global crisis since the Great Depression of the 1930s.<br><br> The UK government is very keen to blame the sub-prime mortgages in the US but the truth is that UK banks have been plenty busy themselves - as have their credit-hungry, greedy and irresponsible borrowers.<br><br> It's not looking good for any of us and I'm just wondering where we'll whether the storm best: the UK or Canada. <br><br>Very bleak times folks! Not quite BSG end of S4 E10 bleak, but bleak nonetheless.
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Just call PirateEmery an idiot, back. More fun. In fact you two debating who is an idiot sounds more fun than watching Obama and Mcain.
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working on the economic situation that will directly effect the future administration is far more important than discussing their foreign policy differences. the debate can't wait a few days?
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Sept. 26, 2008, 2:50 a.m. CST
DirkBelig, McCain did offered no insight in todays meeting
by IndustryKiller!
According to press reports he "said very little" and didn't even speak until 43 minutes into the meeting. Moreover, the boodoggle is coming from the House Republicans who can't come to an agreement. So that's some fine mediating your moron candidate is offering. But feel free to continue coming up with lies, half truths, and non sequitors about Barack Obama and I'll be over here making sense.
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Either pretend it isn't there or replace it with a "done offered no insight" so at least then it will be in a hick language Drik can understand.
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I hate terms like that. What a burn! Oh, so clever! "See, the media is run by them damn liberals and terrorists! That's TREASON! Hey, "Treason Media!" That's what I'll call 'em. That way, everyone will know how I feel about the media! Har, har!" I hate terms like that.
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Whats the point of that? Neither one of them needs to be there. So what do they offer other than two other warm bodies in the room? If you can explain to me what Obama and McCain can do to help specifically then I'd love to hear it.
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If McCain feels that he needs to be back to Washington then we move up the VP debate to Friday. If Sarah Palin or Joe Biden can't step up to a change in debate schedule then they aren't ready to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency. Move up the VP debate to Friday! I think that's fair and good for the country.
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I have a lot of respect for John McCain and his integrity (especially given the reports of his war years) and in any other circumstances I would want him to become president. However, I don't like GWB, I never have, I think the man is a fucking imbecile and a war monger. I think the last thing the US needs is another Republican who I dare say will continue the good work(?!) of Bush (and his daddy). John McCain is a good man but I think it's time for a change.<br><br>Unfortunately, Obama reminds me too much of our former PM, Tony Blair. Young, charismatic and full of new hope and promise. Let's hope, if he gets in, he actually does some good because all Bush, Blair and Brown have managed to do is create systems that have enlarged the gap between the wealth divide, turning a blind eye to illegal, immoral and/or fraudulent activity that has financially crippled our economies and destined our children to a lifetime of poverty. <br><br>The Roman and British empires both fell. I dare say historians will look back and remark that this was the fall of the US and UK as powerful world players. China seems to be holding most of the cards now.<br><br>Err... San Dimas High School football rules!
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the most powerful people in the world, got in a shouting match with each other over this crazy bailout. This is one of the most controvesal things the government has ever done. Think about it, there is so much we could do with $700 billion.
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sarah palin is nothing but bush with a vagina. I have trouble believing I can vote for mccain when his running mate is a carbon copy of George Dubya.
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with all the great and inspiring people in this country, the best candidates we could get are John Mccain and Barrack Obama. As George Washington said, politcal parties will be the downfall of America. Anybody still want to vote for Ron Paul?
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so we can determine who of the two is the master debater.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 3:41 a.m. CST
McCain is only pulling this shit because Rove and Co. told him t
by Kirbymanly
This whole stunt stinks of just that... a STUNT. He's admitted, in RECENT MONTHS, that his weakness is the economy/finance! The guy can't even remember how many homes he owns! On top of that, he has a lying sack of shit V.P. who's a complete hypocrite! It boggles my mind to think how this race is even close! Wake the fuck up!
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but the critical flaw of the Democratic system. Democracy gives power to the Majority, and we all know from simple law of averages [or something like that] that majority will not represent the smartest or best but the very middle. How can a system where stupidest person in the country has exactly same power as the smartest genius, work? Reason democracy works is that it gives the sense of power to those who don't have the skills to earn it on their own... and that in itself is it's biggest flaw. It gives power to ones who haven't earned it, dunno how to wield it.<p>I see everyone discussing foriegn affairs and economy here, but how many of the TBers exactly undersand economics? How many TBers have majored in Economy? Yet, each one has an opinion on it and feels qualified enough to judge others [candidates].
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Fist fight in the Oval Office http://tinyurl.com/3po5pn and sweet, sweet lovin' http://tinyurl.com/48yaku
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It's hard not to be a little cynical when one notes how a hurricane prevented Bush and Cheney from making appearances at the convention, and now a financial crisis means McCain can't debate Obama. It's too convenient by half.
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Let's be clear: We are a republic, not a true democracy. Checks and balances.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 4:57 a.m. CST
McCain is on record saying he doesn't no much about the economy
by slappy jones
Yet he is going to sort out this collapse?? all of a sudden he's turned into greenspan?? give me a break. This is a ppolitical stunt of a desperately tired old man who only got the nomination because of a hilariously stupid and weak field of republican candidates. I mean who did he beat??Mitt the robot romney....julie-ani....Huckabee....foghorn leghorn...It was a joke. I used to like mccain a lot but we are clearly seeing how dangerous he is as a candidate. Look at him react to this crisis we are in. he has been all over the map. running in a state of panic while obama has been calm and steady. Mccain was against a bailout then he was for a bailout.I would feel sad for him if he still wasn't so terrifyingly close to winning. He reacts to things without thinking and with He makes wild gambles like his staggeringly awful decision to pick palin as his running mate. Palin barely got through an interview with Katie fucking couric!!!! Biden will not be losing any sleep over debating her. Republicans do you seriously feel safe knowing the country could potentially wind up in the hands of a woman who seriously tries to sell the proximity of her home from russia as foreign policy credentials?? As I said earlier it is insulting to all of us. We should all be ashamed that it is as close as it is.
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the way this pans out will determine the election. and right now none of us can tell who has the advantage but the debate about the debate will end this (for my money it obama)
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This is how it will work. Obama and McCain will have theire meeting with bush. they will agree on the debate but the debate will all about Foreign Policy and not on the economy. which will floor obama. As obama has been training like a prize fighter in florida about the ecomony. McCain will say hey im moving on. IT makes him look presidential.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 5:25 a.m. CST
Forget politics. Let's talk education. Can anyone here spell?
by Uncle Stan
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John McCain, a man who admits he doesn't know much about the economy, is suddenly so indispensable to sorting it out that he must make himself unavailable to his presidential campaign. Visibly foundering and failing, his great leadership skills require him to sit silently while people far more capable than he is of dealing with the situation discuss the issues at hand. Oh, very stirring.<p>John, if you, or Obama for that matter, are needed to actually vote on something, by all means take the time to do that. Otherwise, please get yourself to the debate and show us why on Earth we should vote you into the Presidency.
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keep a lid on it dude. far from being the worst ticket ever, they are in fact the best second best option ever. let me give an example: possible worst ticket ever: bush/cheney. seriously dude? worst ticket ever? you'd vote for bush over mcain?
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Obama is right...a President is gonna have to juggle multiple issues...especially considering the previous tennant at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. I think this brave, patriotic man who is John McCain is getting scared. As more comes out about Palin (Sure I have foreign policy experience...I order Chineese food all the time!) his boat is sinking. GOBAMA!!!!! Roll Tide!
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Sept. 26, 2008, 6 a.m. CST
Hasn't anyone realized yet that McCain has quit the campaign for
by Leafar the Lost
Sen. McCain has basically quit running for the US President. This is an easy way for him to quit and make it look like he is doing it for the good of the country. McCain knows he will not win. Choosing Palin was one of the worse VP picks ever (Quayle wasn't that bad of a pick actually). McCain was a war hero, but that was 30 years ago. Today, in 2008, he is a quitter. Obama has won, and tonight's "debate" will clinch it.
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there is a diffence between whether palin would make a good president, and whether she is a good vp pick. she is clearly a good pick for mcain. she has clearly helped him. that is not to say she is actually good. good pick though
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Sept. 26, 2008, 6:22 a.m. CST
It's not like McMain can do anything for the economy right now
by Gungan Slayer
His whole theory is putting his campaign off for the week to "focus on the economy" and "to find a solution." Dude, it's not like he can really do anything about it. I think having an open debate about the economy with Obama will be good not just for both presidential candidates, for the American public as well.
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I think she's made things worse. <P>And of course no-one here can spell. THIS IS TALKBAAAAACK
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for the simple reason that it takes attention off Palin and back on to him. <p>Whether this is a good thing is open to debate (heh).
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He'll run from this debate. He's palying chicken with the financial future of this country just to get himself elected.
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catlettuce4 did not jump down your throat. So I'm not sure why YOU attacked him. He was just trying to rebut your opening statement, nothing more.
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Katie Couric interview...Charlie Gipson interview. Some bad stuff right there. Really bad.<p>And there is absolutely no reason to cancel the debate unless, like others have mentioned, he actually had to vote for something. Otherwise like AvonBarksdale said, move up the VP debate to today.<p>You have to be able to adapt to rapidly changing situations after all....
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The McCain the public saw and a McCain that was hidden by his team. as time goes by the McCain that was hidden by his team will emerge. The McCain that was hidden by his team was the McCain that alot of the republican party tried to block in 2000. Large sways of the republican party, gop dont trust McCain at all. To be a leader you need to have a cool head in a time of crisis and McCain does not have that.
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because of Palin... she is such a re-re who will torn apart by Biden...
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If they cancel tonight's debate then the McCain camp can say there still has to be at least two presidential debates and therefore they would have to cancel the VP debate, and let's face it that would be good for them cause the bitch dosen't know what she is talking about. Dinosaurs never existed are you fucking kidding me!!
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Economics will be at the debate with or without McCain. If these talks works, I'm sure that McCain will be the first to step up and say that he saved the day.. Truth is he actually impeded the economic talks and is now scrambling to find something to "debate" about..He has no platform. That Moose in the Headlights that he calls a running mate...god bless her, she's like a student trying to cram for an oral exam and is just sputtering for "facts" she skimmed over. Bush Doctrine? Anyone? Anyone?
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If you don't think our economy isn't the first and foremost thing in our foreign policy. The only reason we are a power in the world is due to our economy. They're intertwined.
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the VP debate is what people ACTUALLY want to see. The GOP is praising Palin that she is up to the task..now they have to show it.
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around 160,000 dollars a year to be in Washington and represent their states in the Senate. I wouldn't mind if they both decided to take a few days off the campaign each month to go back to the Senate and vote on important bills, etc...especially with a problem this big. You can reschedule a debate but to pass such a controversial bill and get it right is not a simple task, as proven by the congress' lack of doing so this last week.
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It just makes it look like he's afraid of debating Obama. And the country is very ready for a debate, so him putting it off won't make him any friends. His goal is to take credit for the bailout plan if one is agreed upon, but if it's not, he's fucked, and even if it is, it doesn't seem like a big enough victory considering the cons. (Especially since Letterman completely deflated McCain's "I have to go fix the economy!" faux-urgency.)
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Have Obama and McCain send their VP picks to debate in their place. That would actually be pretty cool. Or if McCain just sent Palin in his place. I don't think Obama would accept that challenge though. Not that Palin would be a better debater, but Obama's been prepping for an old tired man, not a 40 yearish old sexy lady.
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There are still ads on TV, and he's still giving speeches and interviews. Many of his staffers are also giving interviews, in which, among other things, they bash Obama and campaign for their guy. Just wanted to point that out, because this surreal turn is obviously. . . obviously a fucking stunt. Twenty years from now this will be discussed in classrooms as a fulcrum point, where Obama runs away with the election, for good or ill. You see, the Republicans may have convinced a great number of the proles to vote against their own self-intrests for these last twenty years, but they rely on a general ignorance of economic principals, religion, and foreign policy. They will be hard. . . hard pressed to convince this same group that McCain isn't anything but a coward for ducking these debates. Many Americans may be cheeto-eating, American Idol watching dumbasses. . . but Republicans and the McCain camp miscalcuate, and seem to beleive that we are not only dumb, but functionally retarded. We are not. Enjoy the nose-dive, boys (and lady).
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Most (I'd like to think ALL) Democrats are Democrats because they believe in social justice. They believe that everyone should be given a fair shot. <P> I don't know what Democrats stood for before....it doesn't matter....right now is what will ultimately affect us in our own lifetimes. <P> We have a really high percentage of our population in prison. This affects family structures. <P> Lack of a core structure puts education to the back of the line. <P> We have a high percentage of people that are uneducated and lack the socialization that goes along with a formal education. <P> Lack of education dictates you survive however possible ... everything is fair game. .... things that will even send you to prison. <P> <P> <P> Tropic Thunder was a good movie.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 8:33 a.m. CST
My friends, I am suspending this talkback until the crisis is re
by SpyGuy
Mostly because the polls are heading in Obama's direction because the country is focused on actual issues instead of pigs wearing lipstick.
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Somebody needs to tell Mr. Obama that he is a senator, an elected, paid representative official of the US Senate for the people of Illinois and not a fill-time preisdental candidate. If there is a crisis his ass should be back in Washington doing what he was elected to do and gets paid for. At least McCain walks the walk , and talks the talk. Country first, senator first, people first. Maybe Obama can debate debate his teleprompter or better yet, Joe Biden, since they seem to disagree on coal, and mocking a Vietman Veteran's war injuries. Remember, McCain oulled his life vest cord with his teeth at the bottom of Lake Hanoi since his arms were broken. There wouldn't be a debate on the debate if Obama agreed to the townhall meetings. McCain is gonna clean his clock anyway, so what's the big deal. To surge or not to surge, indeed.
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Wouldnt anyone else get fired for taking off work to apply for a new job during business hours for your current one? A debate about foriegn policy is not nearly as important as trying to fix our current situation if you ask me. Besides Obama really doesnt have a leg to stand on saying McCain is running away from the debate. McCain has been asking for more debates for a long time now and Obama has been the one refusing up till now. Shut up and do your job and have the debate when you have some free time.
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because he doesn't have the experience or the influence. So, run off, little Obama, you aren't needed here. The Republicans NEED John McCain because the Dems only hold the Senate by ONE VOTE. His vote WILL make a difference. And he has the experience and the influence that Obama lacks. So, run off, little Obama, and let the real leaders of the country get to work...
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McCain is going to get his ass kicked come election day. No sane person will vote for McCain with Crazy Woman on the ticket.
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while we all burn. THEY ARE ALL TO BLAME
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http://market-ticker.denn inger.net/
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Any other Internet rumors you want to claim are true? Ebert was right--critical thinking is non-existent in this day and age.
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tell them if they support Bush, no CEO pay caps, and this SHIT, then they will be voted out
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has the Government - meaning the taxpayers - INSURING TRILLIONS in those mortgage-backed securities in hopes that private investors will buy them. <p> Not only are the unsavory investments to begin with, those who hold them will have no impetus to salvage them because they can just dump them on the government insurance. Remember - this is why AIG failed to begin with - insuring toxic mortgages. <p> And they also want additional capital gains tax cuts on top of MORE DEREGULATION. <p> This is what McCain and the House Reps want. <p> What a nightmare.
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http://www.fed upusa.org/
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Excerpt from an article posted today on www.rutlandherald.com. You go, Caribou Barbie! <p>-----------------------------</p> <p>Palin's foreign policy experience came up when she gave her first major interview, on Sept. 11 to ABC News. Asked what insight she had gained from living so close to Russia, she said: "They're our next-door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska."</p> <p>The comment met with derision from Palin's critics and was turned into a punch line for a "Saturday Night Live" skit featuring actress Tina Fey. Appearing as Palin, she proclaimed, "I can see Russia from my house!"</p> <p>In the interview with CBS News anchor Katie Couric, Palin said: "It's funny that a comment like that was, kind of made to … I don't know, you know? Reporters …"</p> <p>Couric said, "Mock?"</p> <p>"Yeah," Palin said, "mocked, I guess that's the word, yeah."</p>
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July 12th, 2007: "This is far and away the strongest global economy I've seen in my business lifetime."
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http://www.reut ers.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE48O9VC20080925"[CA Dem Rep] Sherman said Democratic lawmakers were told that dealbreakers for the White House include mortgage bankruptcy reform and limits on the pay of the executives of companies that would sell assets to the U.S. Treasury under the bailout proposals. "Bankruptcy reform is a dealbreaker for the White House" and so are corporate executive pay limits, Sherman said. "On more than one occasion, the statement was made that if we put that in the bill, the president will not sign it," he said."
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You can't run this country by dropping everything else completely in favor of one objective.
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"March 16th, 2008:"We've got strong financial institutions . . . Our markets are the envy of the world. They're resilient, they're...innovative, they're flexible. I think we move very quickly to address situations in this country, and, as I said, our financial institutions are strong."
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"May 7, 2008: 'The worst is likely to be behind us,'"
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That's just so obvious.
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All you fanboy jerk-offs better start putting all your "limited edition, collectible" toys on ebay pronto, so you will have money to eat. But once Obama becomes president, and I have to look at that ugly faced wife of his on t.v. all the time, I might not be able to keep food down anyway.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 9:28 a.m. CST
MCCAIN: "THE FUNDAMENTALS OF THE ECONOMY ARE STRONG"
by BringingSexyBack
Last week.
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...Talkbackers and admit that Sarah Palin is a Joke? I have been watching these interview clips compulsively and laughing to tears. I don't even care for now who you plan to vote for in November, but America needs stand together on this...nobody really understands the bailout plan or whether it's a good thing or not...Iraq and Afghanistan are a disaster, but at least we can all watch the Katie Couric interview and laugh...and cry...and laugh...it could be so beautiful...
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http://www.vi si.com/juan/congress/
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...it's better than that Miss Teen USA clip that made the rounds last year...
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When did I say it was fact. It was just my guess. We do live in America right? It was just my opinion!
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but lets not get distracted by the circus. Paulson's words move mountains, Mccain's move tabloids. We will deal with Siegfried and Roy after this!!!!
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Haven't you embarassed yourself enough with your blind ideology and demonstrated ignorance of the English language? Why should Obama agree to 10 debates in a single format that McCain thinks will benefit himself, presumedly so he doesn't have to stand for an hour? I'd tell him to get real myself. Why not just have al lthe debates sponsored by more religous fundamentalists wackos? I'm sure McCain would love that again too.
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That's what this is.
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They WILL exist, as they are robots built in the future sent to the past to fight our alien overlords (Xenu and co.). Their robotic remains are the "fossils" we find and the "fossil fuels" are really a weaker version of the fuels we will use in the future to power said robots. <p><p> Palin will be integral in creating many of these robots, which is why there is so much oil in Alaska. <p><p> We now return to your regularly scheduled political talkback.
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I may be a day late and a dollar short, and I'm also butting in for sure, but I dn't know what you took exception to, mr. foreskin. mr. lettuce 4 didn't write anything obnoxious or whiny, or anything. He just listed some links to some Obama info. I don't understand why you took such intense objection to that. But I'm intrigued.
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Ah, so I see you're not above using the "McCain Is A Petulant Teenager Who Didn't Get What He Wanted Defense".<P>Seriously, that Townhall meeting excuse is one the lamest comebacks I've ever heard in a political campaign. It's shameful; just like McCain's VP pick.
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Feel free to wake up from your delusional fantasy any time.
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18 million cracks in the glass ceiling, indeed.
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How do we make a young, non-white male look experienced? Pair him up with an old, white guy. Genius.
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The economy crashed because of unregulated GREED. When conservatives say deregulation that is code for telling big money that they want to let them DO ANYTHING.<BR><BR> It wasn't supposed to get this bad or crash until after the election. That way either McCain would be in office already or they could dump this soul numbing mess into Obama's lap.<BR><BR> The White House/Bush wanted us to go along with a 700billion dollar big business bailout that would be completely without legislative control or review from ANYONE? <BR><BR> This is how countries get taken over. Strip people of their rights, start an army that doesn't answer to anyone (Blackwater and their type) and then completely control the economy and the currency. HOW BAD DOES IT HAVE TO GET?? <BR><BR> Obama will show up for the debate because he is too smart to let McCain appear and claim 'Obama was too afraid to even show up'. <BR><BR> I am truly deeply afraid of what will happen to this country if that mean old lying bastard McCain gets elected.
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Look! Black people aren't lazy alcoholics anymore! Look at Will Smith put down the hooch and tackle all that responsibility!
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Beware your neighbor, he may be a dangerous black guy. Beware...
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If each candidate were loyal to their party, they'd throw this race. The next president will not be remembered kindly by history.
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slightly. It's subtle, but it's there. Hillary would have been much more successful if "Sex in the City" hadn't been released in the middle of her run.
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I'm voting for Palin. McCain benefits from my single vote only because he happens to be attached to the ticket.<br><br> But this political stunt is just stupid. <br><br> McCain stood a fighting chance to win this thing, if he didn't self-destruct. Which he seems to want to do.<bR><br>If an when he loses, I will hold him personally responsible for denying me the chance to drink in the sweet suffering of liberal tears.<br><br> Cuz giving Obama an open forum instead of an actualy debate is just stupid. Even a poor performance by McCain would be better than this obvious political posturing by McCain back in Washington. "See? See how important I am?"<br><bR> The Palin pick was a good one--the amount of irrational hate it immediately generated on the left proved that--though probably made for the wrong reasons (superficial political posturing, like this).<br><br> Bah. I usually vote against Democrats. This time won't be any different. Obama will probably win. Maybe the Republicans will run as, I don't know, actual conservatives in 2010 and 2012. <br><br> Though, frankly, I'm not with my right-leaning brethren on an Obama presidency. I think he'd be a very Clintonian president (i.e., mostly moderate, simultaneously defended by the left while disliked for not being nearly liberal enough). And if he takes a hard left, Republicans get the house and senate in 2010, ala 1994.<br><br> And I'm not convinced, right now, that the Democrats are all that much worse than the Republicans when it comes down to it. They seem to come out of the same factory--same guts, different paint job.
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We all know Obama has absolutely no foreign policy experience and thinks that Iran and N. Korea are tiny countries and not a threat. Obama is a Socialistic idiot. McCain should stay in Washington to try and fix this huge fuck up that the Democrats caused.
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I was talking about the dinosaurs thing. That was from a fake quote never uttered by Palin. http://tinyurl.com/6qt6ed
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The one smart thing he's done. Keeping her on a short leash, over-coaching her, making her tow the McCain talking-points line, not so much. <br><br> All the people who think Palin was a terrible pick would have never, ever, ever, ever voted for McCain. Ever. So their opinion really doesn't count.
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Who thinks LeftFoot is the single most idiotic person on here?
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You continue to demonstrate just how pathetic you and your cronies are. Palin is a good pick because it pissed off liberals? You are everything that is wrong with this country.
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" As far as Obama is concerned, it's simply not credible to say that McCain is ducking this debate."<br><br> Of course it is. That's exactly what it looks like. After all his noise about how Obama wouldn't do Town Halls with him, this whole stunt is just asinine.<br><bR> I'm still voting for McNugget, but just because I have to in order to vote against the Democrats. If there was a credible Whig candidate running, I'd probably go that route. Except for Palin. I'm kind of hoping for a future Palin/Steele ticket. Really drive the leftards crazy.<br><br> Drill here, drill now, burn fuel, baby.
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And McCain is saying "I'm not an expert on Wall Street" but then proceeds to run to Washington to try and 'save' the current situation by saying "Look at me, look at me...people really love me. Now the problem can be solved because of ME." (see, I can make stuff up and put it in quotes too)
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...then why isn't McCain rushing down there to swing his alleged big foreign policy experience dick? Surely he feels more confident about that particular subject as opposed to sitting silently for 40 minutes during the White House crisis meeting yesterday.
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How did only the Democrats cause the current situation? Please elaborate.
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Just ask John McCain. He grew up with them.
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Quote: "I'm still voting for McNugget, but just because I have to in order to vote against the Democrats."<P>So, what you're really saying is party over country.
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"You continue to demonstrate just how pathetic you and your cronies are. Palin is a good pick because it pissed off liberals? You are everything that is wrong with this country."<br><br> Did I say that? It a SIGN that she was a good pick, not WHY she was a good pick.<br><bR> Let me know if I have to define the difference between "sign", which is an indicator, and "why", which is a fundamental reason or causal factor.<br><Br> Jackass. You're representaive everything that is wrong with moder day hobos.
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Mrs. Jarv would vote Republican- she would absolutely have voted for Arnie as governer (2nd term) if she hadn't emigrated to London. She keeps up with events and is severely unimpressed with the Democrat party for not nominating Clinton<P>However, not in 1 million years will she vote for Sarah Palin. And I bet she isn't alone in this one. <P>So to say that all the people who think palin is a terrible pick are those that would never vote Republican is not true. <P>How on earth can you think that woman is a good choice? It's beyond me. <P>Coughlins- you are an idiot. Casualty= wounded. Fatality= Death. This is not hard, and you won't let it go.
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Are you folks of the left willfully obtuse or do you just like making shit up? Seriously, if you're going to pull shit out of your ass, then why don't you pull something like this: "So, what you're really saying is that, since the Democrats are, on the whole, worse than the Republicans, you have to pick the lesser of two evils and vote against the party that represents the most potential long-term damage to the country, to your way of thinking?"<br><br> Bozo. Are you advising the McCain campaign?
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You're not doing yourself any favors by telling us you're as ignorant and lazy as the corporate news networks. Fact: You didn't know the definition of the word. Just admit it, shit for brains.
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Your blindness in voting against the Democratic Party, no matter what, is scary. <p>And the fact that you think Palin is a good pick is even more scary. You've see her interviews, right? Her knowledge base is pathetic. <p>I don't like McCain, but at least I know he does have some intelligence. Palin has not shown any during her interviews, just continues to ignore the questions asked regurgitate the same shit over and over again.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 10:15 a.m. CST
When they say "Democrat Party", that's the give-away..
by KazamaSmokers
... that tells you that person gets their talking points from right-wing talk radio. And our little pal Coughlin is confusing having a majority with being in charge. Coughlin, ask Santa for a copy of the Constitution this Christmas, okay?
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Man, it just takes the zing out of a slam when you make a typo. Dammit.
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The GOP whines that "WE make the Rules, and the Rules say we can do whatever we want and WE WIN!!" I'd bet that by 4:00 EST McCain calls thwe Obama camp and tries to make a deal that he'll show up for both Presidential debates if they just-for-christ's-sake-cancel the VICE Presidential debate. Is it me, or does anybody else get the feeling that Sarah Palin is starting to get the idea of how those moose feel when they realized that she was drawing a bead on them? So many random thoughts, so little time....
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are the ones who felt everyone had a right to own a home and basically made Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac give out these loans to people who could not afford it. It's the Dems fault, the mortgage companies fault and the stupid people who got the loans. McCain has been saying that Fannie and Freddie needed to be reformed. Bush said it back in 2003. And gay ass Barney Frank said they didn't need to be reformed because there wasn't a problem with them. You know who received the most contributions from fannie? Chris Dodd #1, Hillary Clinton #2, Obama #4! Frank Raines, former CEO of Fannie Mae is Obama's economic advisor. And now the dems want to take out tax money and bail these peices of shit out and the republicans are try to take a good hard long look at this thing.
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"The Palin pick was a good one--the amount of irrational hate it immediately generated on the left proved that."<p> When did you say anything about it being a "sign"?
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This is exactly the time the public should see the candidates debate, one of these guys will run the country this is an opportunity to see them without the filter of the media. Neither senator is essential to the ongoing process. McCain's attitude is deeply disappointing.
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First off, you guys were chomping at the bit to get Mccain on the ticket with Kerry last time around. He wasn't "4 more years" then, but now, when he's clearly on the other side he's just more of the same? You make yourselves look like fools when you say that. Second, you people act like Bush has done nothing good, despite the fact that we're coming off the biggest economic up-tick since the .com boom. Economic prosperity is cyclical in nature! With that said, the President does very little to directly influence the economy. You are uneducated if you think the president did anything to directly break the economy or the new one will have any direct power to fix it. Third, you support a guy who, to this day, still hasn't laid out what his plans are in clear terms. It's all still talking points with him, still. He's is obviously nothing more than a career, fast tracked politician who has never done anything of merit in a political sense. He was fast tracked to the senate and he's being fast tracked to the White House. Doesn't that scare you at all? Doesn't the fact that he has already promised more things that the numbers prove can't be given than any other candidate before him not give you pause? Are you so eager for something different that you would elect a person with no experience, no background and is obviously be puppeted into the presidency? For people who claim to care about the country it sure seems many of you are more interested in just having "your guy" in there than having someone who is actually qualified.
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They aren't the only cause. Eveyone can be given some blame. However you have people like Barney Frank insisting that it be law that poor people that can't afford loans, be given those loans anyway. Because according to Frank, "That's only fair." You also have people like Chris Dodd who's the head of the Finance Commitee who stayed mum on the whole thing. Didn't warn a soal.
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Obama 08. Fo Shizzle!!!!!
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"Senate Democratic leaders unveiled their $56 billion economic stimulus package on Thursday, less than an hour before leaving to meet President Bush at the White House to continue the fragile negotiations on the financial rescue bill. Calling it “an economic recovery package that will help middle-class families struggling in the weakening Bush-McCain economy,” Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) and Appropriations Committee Chairman Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.) pitched the plan with the familiar mantra of “not forgetting Main Street.” The plan includes a $7.5 billion down payment on $25 billion in loans for the struggling auto industry."
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"you voted for Mccain? Oh no you di-ent!!"
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I'll be here if Obama wins. Don't worry. Somehow I doubt you will be. If McCain wins I'll be immolating myself in front of the White House while you laugh.
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I can see the ocean. I should be in charge of the Coast Guard.
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"Your blindness in voting against the Democratic Party, no matter what, is scary."<br><br> When the Democratic party changes, I'll vote for 'em. I've been occasionally tempted. Voted for Harold Ford, Jr. for congress. Last time I did it. If Republican Governor Don Sundquist had run again, I would have voted against him (i.e., for the Democrat), but that didn't happen.<br><br> "And the fact that you think Palin is a good pick is even more scary. You've see her interviews, right? Her knowledge base is pathetic."<br><br>And you were on the edge, just about to vote for McCain, until the Palin pick. I'm sure.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 10:24 a.m. CST
Limbaugh could say Cheech & Chong assassinated Archduke Ferdinan
by KazamaSmokers
... and some of you folks would be on here within minutes screaming for the heads of Cheech and Chong. It's as sad as it is amusing.
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Who ever wins inherits a DEAD economy. Also a United states much like a third world nation in the eyes of the rest of the world. <p> But this is what scares me; <p>http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread391619/pg8 <p>"Hi all, This might be the last thing I ever post on here but I need to warn you all. I have been with LAPD for a while and have learned alot of things. One of them is to be a little more independent. Don't put 100 % faith in other humans to take care of you. And yes that means the government 2. Well because things have gotten so bad in LA (Officers being shot at up 39 % in 2007) I decided to move to Idaho. And I love it by the way. Anyway what I'm going to say might shock you or even scare you, but please understand that fear does nothing but makes things worse kinda like stress. So instead of worrying do something to fix it. Remember there's no problems only solutions. This morning I got a call from my uncle who is very high up in the military and he told me to leave the city now. I hardly ever talk to him so he was unaware that I had already left LA. But he seemed very concerned but refused to tell me why. After about 20 minutes he told me the very basics. The first thing he said was to buy as much can food and water as possible. The second was to stock up on ammo. I have already stacked up on ammo because I knew it would become very expensive later and in LA there was a 1 year wait for .223 bullets for my AR15. But I was still very confused as to why he's calling out of the blue and telling me these things. Well what he said next is something the american people aren't suppose to know. He told me that there is an actual plan as to when the economy will completely crash. As of right now he said it will happen in the middle of sept of this year. Also he said that our Government will crash in Feb of 2009. He said that Mexico and Canada will merge with us and that a new dollar called the Amero is going to replace the dollar. But the most scary thing is what he told me he's been doing for the past couple of years. He's been overseeing the construction of Prison Camps being built all through out America. He said a Private company called Haliburton is building them. He told me that 1 camp in Alaska can hold 2 million people and there's almost 1000 camps in the USA. ( not including the ones underground) He also said that these will be used when they declare Martial Law. There's some more things but I promised him I would never repeat them. But just knowing that this could even be possible makes me say to myself " why not buy an extra 20 or 30 bucks of food I can store" each time I go shopping. I had about 2 weeks worth because in California you never know when that next big earthquake can hit not to mention the last year and a half we have been training on how to handle food riots in LA.( By the way the first step in the LAPD process is to stand back and observe) <p>http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/government/new_world_order/news.php?q=1222050014 <p>Portable PRISON CELLS unloaded in PROVO, UTAH <p>http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8b7_1222348443 <p>Oct. 1st Military starts Martial Law Mission 3rd Infantry’s 1st BCT trains for a new dwell-time mission. Helping ‘people at home’ may become a permanent part of the active Army The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent 35 of the last 60 months in Iraq patrolling in full battle rattle, helping restore essential services and escorting supply convoys. <p>http://therearenosunglasses.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/3rd-infantry-division%E2%80%99s-1st-brigade-combat-team-to-begin-us-tour-of-duty/ <p>Posse Comitatus you say? Well, from the Wiki we learn the following: * On September 26, 2006, President Bush urged Congress to consider revising federal laws so that the U.S. military could seize control immediately in the aftermath of a natural disaster, in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. These changes were repealed in their entirety in 2008. * In early 2006, the 109th Congress passed a bill containing controversial provisions that granted the President additional rights to use federal or state National Guard Troops inside the United States in emergency situations. These changes were included in the John Warner Defense Appropriation Act for Fiscal Year 2007 (H.R. 5122.ENR) These changes were repealed in their entirety in 2008. * Footnote: All changes have been repealed, and have changed back to the original state of the Insurrection Act of 1807. Source: Army Times … Beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st BCT will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.It is not the first time an active-duty unit has been tapped to help at home. In August 2005, for example, when Hurricane Katrina unleashed hell in Mississippi and Louisiana, several active-duty units were pulled from various posts and mobilized to those areas. But this new mission marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities.
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Sorry, but Obama doesn't have the moral character or background for the job. McCain and Palin all the way baby!!!
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...because they are Senators? I can't understand why people want to roast McCain for doing his job. Obama is so used to not doing his job as a Senator, that he doesn't want to do it now. Just look up Obama's voting record. Present, Not Present, Not Present, Not Present, Present, Present, Not Present. The man never voted on anything, either because he a) couldn't make up his mind. b) didn't want to take a stance on an issue. or c) didn't show up for work. Yeah, that's who I want to run the country. A senator who can't be bothered to vote in the senate because he's too busy making land deals with convicted felons and attending anti-american, racist, hate churches. The most impressive thing Obama has ever accomplished in his political career, was when he stole taxpayer money in Chicago, and used it to give his wife a raise. Obama sponsers legislation to give a hospital a recurring 1 million dollar grant. Just so happens his wife works at said hospital and receives a $100,000 salary increase days after the legislation is passed.....
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The Palin pick was a good one--the amount of irrational hate it immediately generated on the left proved that." <br><br> "When did you say anything about it being a 'sign'?" <br><br> Are you naturally stupid, or do you work at it?<br><br> Where in that sentence--that, amazingly, you just quoted and yet still got wrong--did I say that liberal outrage and irrationality and the Palin pick was a <i>reason</i> to pick her? Not that I don't enjoy that effect, I admit, but the clear implication of "the amount of irrational hate it immediately generated on the left proved that" is that the amount of unhappiness on the left proved that it was a good pick. I.e., was an indication that it was a good pick, not a "reason" for it.<br><br> But don't let me stop you from living in your own little world of strawmen. You obviously prefer it.
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...perhaps one of our greatest Presidents, if America will vote what is best for the country and our children, and our children's children. More than ever, this election may be pivotal in the fate of our country. Whatever you do, please vote.
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Say what you will about the political maneuvers and what not, but it helped McCain for sure. In the daily Gallup tracking poll Obama went from a 50-44 lead over McCain to both being tied at 46%.<p>If I was a Leftist, I'd be sweating bullets because even now in the midst of this economic disaster your guy STILL can't pull away or generate a substantial lead. So much for Obama anointing himself "The One" (which was laughably arrogant and egotistical to begin with). In the end, I think the Left is going to be in for a long night of crying on election eve when it's revealed that behind the privacy of a voting booth that Middle America ultimately rejected Obama...
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Obviously you can't see McCain is merely politically posturing by acting as if his presence is going to affect anything. Get fucking real. Instead of ditching Letterman to "race home" to workout a bailout deal (i.e. doing an interview with Couric to do Palin damage control and having dinner in NY), he could have been preparing for the debate.
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look- If bush had had a fabulous 8 years and the Dollar wasn't in the toilet, there's no pointless and expensive war in Iraq etc then most moderates would be voting for the Republicans as it is a good thing. But this is not the case. However, if the same situation applied and the Repubs nominated Palin as VP, then for a fucking fact a huge swathe of women would automatically vote democrat (not to mention a lot of men, or anybody with half a brain). SHe is a terrible candidate.
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Thanks for that...I just spit coffe all over my keyboard! <p> Bill Hicks, rest in peace, had a great bit about how fundamentalists believed that God placed dinosaur fossils in the ground to test our faith. "Does it bother any of y'all to think that GOD may be FUCKING with us? You believed in dinosaurs...you fool! Off to Hell with you!" "But it seemed so plausible...ahhhhhhhhh!" I'm sure you can find that online somewhere... <p> And yoe Avon....West Side represent! Still, you shouldn't have hooked Marlo up with Sergei and the Greek...motherfucker reached out and got Prop Joe. Damn!
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If you truly believe socialism works, then by all means, vote Obama. If you think that capitalism works, vote McCain. As far as I'm concerened, I work hard for my money and do not want the govt. taking it. The federal govt.'s only purpose should be for national security and inner state disputes. Now look at it, it has it's hand in everything and it causes mayhem. The dems were threatening to nationalize oil companies. Could you imagine? Remember when they nationalized flu vaccines and there were shortages and continue to be problems. People need to realize that the problems we face are because of the fucking government. They need to stop turning to the government for help and instead tell them to fuck off.
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I invented the black berry! That dipshit can't even send an email!
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just ask Rev. Wright. It's the most hate-filled, racist shit you can find. If this was a white canidates spiritual leader, he would have been lynched.
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So if Bush said they needed to be reformed in '03, what stopped him? The Republicans were in total control back then, yes?<p>And from the Washington Post, highest congressional career total contributions from Freddie and Fannie:<p>Roy Blunt, R-house minority: $78,500<p>Robert Bennett, R-Utah: $71,499<p>Spencer Bachus, R-AL: $70,500<p>Harry Ried, D-NV: $60,500<p>Joe Boehner, R-OH: $60,500<p>Now it's completely true that the Democratic party received more total funds for '08 in the House for campaign funds by $18,100.<p>Bottom line: BOTH FUCKING PARTIES ARE IN THIS DEEP AND ARE BOTH DIRTY FUCKING WHORES. Why can't most Republicans on these boards see this?
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If you think Obama=socialism and McCain=capitalism, you need to go back to school and take a basic political science class...and an economics 101 course along with it.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 10:31 a.m. CST
So has the "Biden's leaving the ticket" rumor happened yet?
by SpyGuy
Fair and balanced Fox News told me Biden's leaving under the "health reasons" excuse and therefore it must be true.
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that does scare me. It scares me that people this fucking paranoid and insane can have access to firearms.
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"However, if the same situation applied and the Repubs nominated Palin as VP, then for a fucking fact a huge swathe of women would automatically vote democrat (not to mention a lot of men, or anybody with half a brain). SHe is a terrible candidate." <br><br> We have to agree to disagree. I think you're 100% wrong on Palin. In many ways, she is an ideal candidate, where McCain is not. Not even remotely. I guarantee you, if she was at the top of the ticket, she wouldn't be ditching the debate, like a dumbass, in favor of political bullshit posturing in Washington like McCain is. <br><br> BTW, in a presidential contest between Schwarzenegger and Barack Obama, I'd vote for the more conservative candidate in that race. And that would be Barack Obama. By a nose, admittedly, but still. Arnold Schwarzenegger is the personification of Republican in Name Only. Perhaps he's slightly more conservative than Grey Davis. Slightly.
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are beyond uninformed. Every poll from that day until as late as yesterday shows that she is responisible for a __MAJOR__ shift in opinion towards the Republican ticket. To say that she has 'hurt' McCain is just exposing your idiocy. People on BOTH sides of this election are saying she has provided a MAJOR MAJOR boost to the McCain campaign. But go ahead and enjoy your delusion.
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Palin = Mooseburgers. I know who I'd vote for.
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good god. Please tell me you are less than 18 and don't have a vote.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 10:34 a.m. CST
HF HKJ UH UFHUDSH F UDSF3UXG EE EIU GRCE XY VWYGF EXEE
by BringingSexyBack
I'm speaking in tongues like Sarah Palin. Don't ask me to translate - it's between me and Harry Knowles!!!!!
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tell me how i'm wrong.
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First of all I copy and pasted your direct quote so how did I get it wrong exactly?<p> You offered liberal outrage as "proof" that Palin was a good pick. You can call that an indication or a reason.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 10:35 a.m. CST
The Repubs have run the ENTIRE SHOW for eight years...
by KazamaSmokers
... and they have fucked everything up royally and NONE of you people are man enough to simply own up to it. You people should just start wearing dresses and high heels at this point. The GOP has a big jar with all your testicles in it.
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Welcome back my friends!
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Your only looking at contributions from PAC's. Name Office State Party Grand Total Total from PACs Total from Individuals Dodd, Christopher J S CT D $165,400 $48,500 $116,900 Obama, Barack S IL D $126,349 $6,000 $120,349
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Sept. 26, 2008, 10:36 a.m. CST
the dude who said but how can one be a republican one election,
by drturing
Uhh look at the fucking news and the past four years, there's your answer right there.
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If McCain should lose--he continues as a senator. Quietly retires from the field later. If Obama loses- obsurity. He becomes a pariah. No one--and I mean no one- wants Obama to lose more than Hillary. Well--maybe Bill. Honestly--if you can devoid yourself of the emotion of whether your a lib or con---Bill Clinton is the show folks. Give him 10 minutes in a room with Obama and he would pummel him senseless. Not a happy man right now.
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Bozo? Pulling stuff out of my ass? Dude, you're the one stating that your voting for McCain/Palin because you "have to in order to vote against the Democrats."<P>If that's not the kind of myopic thinking that plays into party politics, I don't know what is.
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"BOTH FUCKING PARTIES ARE IN THIS DEEP AND ARE BOTH DIRTY FUCKING WHORES." <br><br> Abso-fucking-lutely. <br><br> "Why can't most Republicans on these boards see this?" <br><br>I can't speak from my brethren (I happen to like candidate Obama a lot, actually, so I'm off the plantation there, too), but I sure can. It's obvious that both parties have been up to their eyeballs in this, and all of what has happened has been due to actions on both sides of the aisle--deregulation, driven mostly by Republicans and softening loan requirements, ostensibly for "fair and affordable housing", driven mostly by the democrats--have helped lead to this mess. But both parties are in this up to their eyeballs. Ain't no doubt of that.<br><br> And we went through this with the S&Ls. The political class does not learn the lessons of history. Period.
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Yeah that was an intelligent comeback.
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having hard-working Americans pay for shitty social programs. Why should I work 10 hours a day, 5 days a week and have to pay for Madula Mobani to sit on her ass all day, shitting out kids and watching reruns of Maury Povich? I like my money. I don't want to give it to you Madula. Go get your own money!!!
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Which candidate has the country's interest as heart? Plus, the idea of McCain dying (of old age) while in office is one of the scariest scenarios of all, considering his running mate. (Anyone seen her interviews?) Open your minds, people. In these difficult times, Obama is the man this country needs.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlmmVuxTHSA
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... is that they mostly go to Red states.
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But...But...Don't they need him to solve the bailout crisis and get a deal made? Hunh.
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Congress has an all time LOW approval rating when it's contrlloed by the Democrats? Since they've gained control they have done nothing! Everyone thinks Obama is some white knight that will rescue you. If you're looking to the government for help it's probably because you put yourself in a bad situation.
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Okee-dokee. Whatever you say. I know, why don't you write my posts AND yours so I can just say whatever you want me to have said, and you can be REALLY right and I can be REALLY wrong and you can be smarter than everybody. Because, based on what you've said, you clearly don't want to talk, you just want to make pronouncements about what other people think because you are CLEARLY so much smarter than them, so knock yourself out.
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that's what the message is these days.<p> Look, the paulson plan sucks. The problem is this - if the credit markets are not secured in a few days' time there will be financial armageddon. People will not be able to get credit which fuels small business in America, nor insurance. And Washington Mutual just collapsed. The Paulson plan stinks but there needs to be something in place to prop up the markets right now and yes a semi socialist plan is needed given that all this deregulation led to these rich fuckers gambling away these businesses on speculative bullshit you wouldn't believe (do you understand what shorting a stock is? WTF?). In my heart I'm utterly opposed to the Paulson plan, but rationally and pragmatically, if another Great Depression rolls around without one in place which we are on the verge of, people are going to wish we'd spent the money taxes be damned.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 10:41 a.m. CST
MCCAIN CAMPAIGN CHIEF RICK DAVIS - STILL WORKING FOR FANNIE MAE
by BringingSexyBack
And now McCain is calling for further DEregulation. <p> And Sarah Palin is standing on the one Alaskan island where you could see Russia ... and waiting for Putin to invade. <p> Lucifer's victory is nigh!!!!
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Have you seen Obama's interviews? Uh...Uh... Umm...Uh..I....I... Uh... umm ..
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Fucking racist, kevinwillis.
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Partytime! Excellent!
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"If that's not the kind of myopic thinking that plays into party politics, I don't know what is."<br><br> So if the Republican party is the lesser of two evils, I should be voting for the greater of two evils . . . in order to, what? Mix things up? Make it a party? Give evil a chance? <br><br>If you want to vote for the folks you like the least, knock yourself out. Seems a little strange, though.
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then how the hell is he going to face the terrorists. McCain's become a goddamn pussy. He also should have realized before he picked Palin that she couldn't put two sentences together. Have you seen that Couric interview, it's painful. It's not like Couric was trying to trip her up. If anything Couric was handing her the answers.
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But thanks to inflation it's not worth much, sorry!
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Kevin- Fine, Arnold is RINO. But she isn't stupid she reads up and takes her time before she decides- she is an intelligent moderate, and would not blindly vote democrat. <P>Arcadian- I'm not doubting that she has drawn out the far right. She has. She's also alienated everyone else. <P>Reasons Palin is a terrible candidate (big picture and little picture): <P>1)She's a FUCKING Creationist. <P>2)She's a hypocrite (pork, bridge to nowhere) <P>3)She's got less loyalty than a rattlesnake <p>4)Rape Kit fiasco <P>5)She has no experience. At all. And don't give me this horseshit about executive experience being the thing- if she had been Governer of New York then it would be entirely different and you know it. <P>6)Her abortion stance alienates women <P>7)She attempted to ban books <P>8)It looks very likely that the Enquirer have her bang to rights as an adulterer. <P>9)She's got no foreign policy experience- to the extent that she's only left the US twice in her life. <P>10)She's very likely stupid- see that "Alaska provides 20% of America's oil" interview. Or not being able to pronounce Nuclear. <P>11)She's horrendously gaffe prone- see recent interview, or the fact that she said that she doesn't know what the VP did. <P>Do you want me to continue this? She is a bad pick- for the country and therefore the world if she gets in, and unless she learns fucking fast she is a walking embarrassment to McCain,
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Fucking pathetic.
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You like fucking racists? What kind of sick freak are you?
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"Congress has an all time LOW approval rating when it's contrlloed by the Democrats?" === check those numbers, RatFink - the poll you're referring to was done by party affilliation.. The Dem faction of Congress has a much higher approval rating than Bush, but when you add in the incredibly low numbers for the GOP faction of Congress, the entire number gets dragged down below the threshold. Nice try with the talking points, though!
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Sept. 26, 2008, 10:44 a.m. CST
WHAT WILL MCCAIN DO IN A DEBATE WHEN HE CAN'T SAY "MY FRIENDS"
by BringingSexyBack
That's the REAL reason he's running scared.
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always right. Damn you.
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I'm referring to multiple polls. WTF are you talking about?
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Movin on up! To dee skkyyy!
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... but Palin is much worse. Come on. Admit it. She's a sexy version of Jane Swift. That's all.
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We are in End Times and we need to pray that our Anointed Palin does God's will. May Jesus protect her from witchcraft!!!
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Which ones are YOU referring to? See: WaPo, Gallup, Quinnipiac and Franklin Pierce.
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For once I agree with you. Biden is a fucking idiot, but not nearly as bad for the country as Palin would be. You know that right?
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Sept. 26, 2008, 10:49 a.m. CST
MY FRIENDS, MY FRIENDS, THESE TALKBACKS ARE IN A DIRE SITUATION
by BringingSexyBack
Lemme grab a sandwich!!!
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Biden pagiarised that gigantic failure Kinnock? <P>Jesus christ- that's awful. Just as well there's bugger all chance of him getting anywhere near the top job. Unlike Palin.<P>Mind you Sarah Palin does quote from fascists.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 10:50 a.m. CST
HOBOCODE - HOW DARE YOU SPEAK ILL OF SARAH PALIN?
by BringingSexyBack
You are the devil! You are a witch. Demon begone! kjdfkdjfkdfjd jjfjdjf dfhdj hfkdhfkdhf jdhfjdhjfhdf
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http://www.gallup.com/poll/108856/Congressional-Approval-Hits-RecordLow-14.aspx Stop trying to argue.
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...is the only reason that McCain has a chance of winning. Remember this if you lose. You don't focus your attacks on flunkies. You don't focus on the flunkies lack of experience when you share that weakness. Obama should win by double-digits but Democrats are too incompetent to win against a candidate who's hated by his base. It is mind boggling. Granted, I hate them both so I lose either way, but every time a liberal friend brings up Palin (over and over again), I just shake my head and pity them.
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Do we need a national witchcraft shield? Mobile warlocks on underground train tracks? I hope someone asks him about this tonight. He's a total empty suit when it comes to the vital witchcraft issue on which Governor Palin has demonstrated bold leadership.
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Ok, so why was JFK killed? Well, I don't know that. But I DO know that part of the reason is that he was going to abolish the Federal Reserve.<br><br>"What's the Federal Reserve," you ask? Well, pull out one of those lovely dollar bills (or if you're truly special, maybe you have a five-spot on you!) you work so hard to earn. See at the top there, that section that says "Federal Reserve Note?" The Federal Reserve is the biggest scam in the history of this country (unless the bailout goes through, in which case it becomes the second-biggest).<br><br>See, the "Dollar" is a unit of measure. It is equal to 371.25 grains of silver. How much is a grain? Put it this way, there are 480 grains to a troy ounce (the standard unit of measure for precious metals, such as - you guessed it - silver!).<br><br>So going back to the measure of a Dollar, you have one pre-Federal Reserve U.S. Dollar equal to a little less than a troy ounce of silver. Want to take a stab at how much it costs in current USD to purchase a troy ounce of silver? THIRTY! $30.00 to buy a US Silver Dollar, which would cost you a little over a buck to buy back in the day.<br><br>The point is, the U.S. Government has FUCKED with us for a very, VERY long time. In fact, it was known just how bad the Federal Reserve was going to be back when it was signed into law in 1913 by President Wilson. I'll quote the man himself:<br><br>"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."<br><br>And now for the scam: The Federal Reserve hires the U.S. Treasury to print money. They do not pay face value for it. They pay only for the cost of printing. They then, in turn, loan that money out to banks at face value. Then the banks loan it to YOU at face value, plus MORE interest. As it turns out, our money really IS worth the paper it's printed on, but no more. How fucking sad is that?<br><br>My point in all this? Fuck this system. Fuck this Government by the rich, for the rich and OF the rich. LET THE BANKS FAIL. They got themselves into this mess, they should NOT get bailed out. You don't see that happening for local restaurants when they go under, nor do you see the people who are losing their homes get this preferential treatment. To quote the wonderful (fictional) Dr. Ian Malcom, "Life breaks free, expands to new territory, and crashes through barriers, painfully, maybe even dangerously." Life, in this situation, is the financial industry as we know it.<br><br>It didn't work. Time to move on.
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McCain is a fool if he thinks that this stunt is going to help him. The only people who think that what he's doing is a good idea are hardline Republicans who were already going to vote for him no matter what. Everyone else seems to think he's being an idiot. Let Obama stand alone on that stage, it'd be more entertaining at the very least.
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Protect her from witchcraft!! <p> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj-on3kfWuE
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As a stunt it was good. Yes the polls swung in their favor. But that's because she was a blank slate - people could project whatever they wanted onto her. The more she talks and fills in the blank, the pick will seem more and more unwise.
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There's nothing irrational about thinking Palin is bad.
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Wingnuts: "I don't understand this irrational hatred for Lucifer."
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"1)She's a FUCKING Creationist." <br><br> Yeah, I'm sure her Christianity is a big problem. You know the "Dinosarus were Satan's lizards" quote was bogus, right? <br><br> "2)She's a hypocrite (pork, bridge to nowhere)" <br><br> By which you mean, she is a politician. If you really believe Obama or Biden or McCain are not guilty of the same, if not worse, you're judging them selectively. <br><br> "3)She's got less loyalty than a rattlesnake" <br><br>While this certainly may be true, I don't know it and I don't see how you possibly can. Unless you have personal experience with her. <br><br> "4)Rape Kit fiasco" <br><br>Granted, that does not reflect well upon her, or the police chief at the time.<br><br> "5)She has no experience. At all. And don't give me this horseshit about executive experience being the thing- if she had been Governer of New York then it would be entirely different and you know it."<br><br> We'll have to agree to disagree. I think her experience counts, in some ways more than Obama's or McCain's. <br><br> "6)Her abortion stance alienates women" <br><br>Granted. McCain is also pro-life. I'm not sure how her abortion stance, except as exagerated in the media, could possibly have hurt McCain more than his own 100% pro-life record. <br><br> "7)She attempted to ban books" <br><br>She did not. Do some research. She never banned any books, never asked that any books be banned, and no books ever were banned. Period. You want to hold onto that, fine. <br><br> "8)It looks very likely that the Enquirer have her bang to rights as an adulterer." <br><br> They do not. At least, not yet. There's nothing there. Once she's caught outside a hotel room with her lovechild and hides for an hour in the bathroom, then they'll have her "bang to rights". I think the goal here is to keep the meme alive long enough to taint her. But, if she did do it, hey: it's just sex. What business is it of our what went on in her bedroom? <br><br> "9)She's got no foreign policy experience- to the extent that she's only left the US twice in her life." <br><Br> Granted. I really don't think this is a deal-breaker, but for some people it may be. <br><br> "10)She's very likely stupid- see that 'Alaska provides 20% of America's oil' interview. Or not being able to pronounce Nuclear." <br><br>Yeah, okay. She's stupid. I'm sold. <br><br> "11)She's horrendously gaffe prone- see recent interview, or the fact that she said that she doesn't know what the VP did." <br><Br>I don't think either of those are particularly major gaffes, in context. Certainly Biden and Obama have done worse. But, I don't think the McCain camp is helping her. I think she might be getting over-coached, and put on too short a leash. But, we'll see.
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Did you see Bill O'Reilly interview Obama? I believe BSB or someone posted it up above.
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Congressional Dems = 39%==== Congressional Repubs = 33%==== Presideent Bush = 29%
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Evil...quite the interesting and polarizing choice of words there. Especially when you consider what has been occuring within the Republican party over the last decade or so. But I can see by reading your posts that you probably have a history of voting on party principle with only the occasional temptation to vote the other way. I can respect that. But looking at the candidates and their respective VPs (and all that implies), I don't see how one wouldn't consider a serious gut-check for this election.
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At the link citing the formep LAPD officer the main topic was a man named "Reinhardt" and how he picked Sept.15 as an economic melt down well before it happened. Very long complex thread. <p> To support the American union theory; <p>http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24314360-2703,00.html <p> Harper calls snap election <p>Mr Harper called the October 14 vote after nearly 2 1/2 years of struggling to govern with a minority government. The Conservative leader, who is aiming to get closer to an absolute majority in the 308-seat legislature, said the election would show voters the contrast between right and left economic and environmental policies. <p>http://americajr.com/news/vicentefox0912.html <p>Sunday, 14 September, 2008 9:05 PM Vicente Fox Favors a North American Union with a Common Currency and Criticizes U.S. Immigration Policy <p> DETROIT – Former Mexican President Vicente Fox criticized the U.S. immigration policy and outlined his plan for a North American Union on Friday in Detroit. He addressed a crowd of 1,500 during the kickoff of the second season Wayne State University's Forum on Contemporary Issues in Society (FOCIS). The speech was followed by a book-signing session.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 10:56 a.m. CST
ANYONE GOT A VIDEO OF AFRICAN WITCH HUNTERS LAYING HANDS ON JOE
by BringingSexyBack
And calling on Jesus to protect him from witchcraft? <p> If you do, now's the time to post it.
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can I borrow some bread?
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I thought Biden was a good choice for Obama. I think the gaffes are sometimes a little over the top, but still forgivable. Hillary might have been better, but Biden is hardly a tragic pick for Obama. I'm apparently out of the mainstream when it comes to my analysis of VP choices.
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... would have been Bill Weld.
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You can have part of my sandwich. You like fresh mootzerelle?
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Who cares. One thing came out of this though- I dislike David Letterman with a passion now. He isn't even funny anymore- he is just a senile old man spouting off. I remember back when he started at CBS, he said he would stay away from OJ jokes because "I don't find double homocides all that damn funny". Fast forward to today, where he injects his idiotic opinions in every monologue. They aren't even jokes- they are just old man ramblings. Kind of reminds me of my 70 year old dad.
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The system has managed to manipulate you cheerleaders for either side. <p> When half the populace is angry and divided they are easy to manipulate. <p> Not one of you has mentioned just what you want from government, and how we all want health care for our children for example. <p> Instead you are only attacking the other guy. <p> This is all by design. When you argue you fail to find a common ground. <p> Is it any wonder that both parties keep third party candidates out of the debates? Wouldn't Nader/Barr/McKinney reflect your needs better than either of the mainstream parties? <p>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Perot <p>At one point in June, Perot led the polls with 39% (versus 31% for Bush and 25% for Clinton). Just prior to the debates, Perot received 7-9% support in nationwide polls. It is likely that the debates played a significant role in his ultimate receipt of 19% of the popular vote. Although his answers during the debates were often general, many Democrats and Republicans conceded that Perot won at least the first debate. <p> Jesse ventura won by getting the greater margin in a three way race. Perot got 19% even after going bat shit crazy and dropping out! <p> You have two choices, either you find common ground and start acting to place politicians who support your own needs and the future needs of your children, or you remain tools of a corrupt system that grows ever more distant from the people it is supposed to support.
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I've ever witnessed. Mind showing your work on that one?
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Cause my tv died :(
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That paper leans to the right of Darth Vader, man. Bill Loeb used to run editorials with titles like "Kissenger the Kike". I mean... come on.
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OXFORD, Mississippi (CNN) -- Sen. John McCain will attend the first presidential debate as planned Friday night, his campaign announced. Workers put the finishing touches on the debate stage at the University of Mississippi on Thursday. McCain said earlier this week he would not attend the debate if an agreement had not been reached on a $700 billion bailout plan for Wall Street. The outcome was up in the air Friday as lawmakers scrambled to agree on a plan. But by midday, McCain's campaign said the Republican presidential nominee believed enough progress had been made for him to travel to Mississippi to participate in the debate, set for 9 p.m. ET at the University of Mississippi campus. * Yeah, thanks for attending that meeting where you said and did nothing. Great job, McCain. Great help. *
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"But looking at the candidates and their respective VPs (and all that implies), I don't see how one wouldn't consider a serious gut-check for this election."<br><Br> That's a fair question. Understanding that I still really like Sarah Palin, and consider most of the negative publicity around her a variation on bullshit, and would prefer the most actually conservative candidate, generally, there's a lot I like about Obama, and I definitely think he's the better campaigner. He's the best campaigner, and best candidate, the Democrats have had since Clinton, and I think he's the likely winner in this campaign, quite frankly. I also think Biden was a good Veep choice, and I'm not down with all the Obama/Biden hate from my right-wing brethren. And I think McCain is a moron for ever pulling this skip-the-debate stunt. For a million reasons, that was stupid.<br><br> Frankly, if Obama was a little more conservative--not promising to raise capital gains taxes, not promoting a global poverty initiative, etc--I think I'd pick him over McCain. But I'd still pick Palin over either of them, but (and perhaps I'm delusional) I do not at all buy into the media template about Palin, or the negative media campaign she's been hit with, nor do I think the Gibson or Couric interviews lacked in anti-Palin bias. But, perhaps I'm willfully delusional on the issue.<br><br> Give me a one term governor of a small-population state over two sitting senators any day of the week. But, perhaps that's just me.
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Finally, something (other than Transformers) we can agree on.<br><br> McMoron.
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1) so being a Creationist means you can hold elected office? Didn't we have a war against England over this issue?<p> 2) Bridge to nowhere - she inherited that bridge. It wasn't hers. And she turned it down and sent the money back.<p> 3) just 'saying' someone has less loyalty than a rattlesnake is just hyperbole. Where's that come from?<p> 4) Victims were not charged for Rape Kits in Wasilla, Alaska. The bill was submitted to their insurance carriers. Those who didn't have insurance, did not pay. My own home town, which has had a Democrat Mayor for the last 80+ years, does the same thing. Where's the outrage here?<p> 5)Palin has the same level of experience that Governor Bill Clinton had when he ran for President (not Vice-President) and was elected. You and your associates were strangely silent about his lack of experience then.<p> 6) you do realize that a very large portion of this country's voting population is Pro-Life? And that four-fifths of those who claim membership to Right To Life are in fact, women? Obama's refusal (four times) to support legislation that provided emergency medical care to babies who survived an abortion alienates anyone with any measure of decency. A baby intended to be aborted is born alive, and Obama feels that providing emergency medical care to this newborn baby is, in his OWN WORDS, "an undue burden upon the mother whose decision to have an abortion must be respected." Fabulous character, that one. Let a newborn baby expire on a shelf because he doesn't want to BURDEN anybody with its care. Thats frightening.<p> 7) banning books: now you're just making up stories. She sent a letter to someone in charge of school libraries (forgive me for not knowing the ins and outs of school administration)and asked, "what is our response plan in the event that books in our libraries are ordered to be removed?" How, in any world, does that translate into "PALIN BANS BOOKS!" ? Seriously, how?<p> 8) So a media that is THIRSTY for dirt on Palin totally misses an adultery story, and the crack Woodward & Bernstien -esque fraternity of investigative journalists as The National Enquirer break this story? The same crew that discovered the wolfboys of Brazil, and Elvis at Area 51? This story MUST have teeth if that periodical is breaking it wide open. By the way, did you hear about the lawsuits now being filed against them for this story? Sixteen of them, mostly by people who were paid for the interview and now claim that their words were changed or altered and that the story was made up. Lets let those lawsuits develop before we start leveling judgement? I slept with my mom once. Hows that for a headline? Oh yeah, I was 2.5 years old and had nightmares so I slept in my parents room. Nevermind the details when you have a REAL SCANDAL on your hands, amirite?<p> 9) What's Obama's foreign policy experience? Oh right, he campaigned for President of the Earff a few weeks back. Oh and then there was his trip to Iraq where he urged the provisional govt there to 'hold off on any troop withdrawal decisions until after the election' - guess he didn't expect them to go to the press with those comments. Oh sure Sarah Palin can see Russia from her house. Obama can see The Weather Underground from his.<p> 10)"She's likely very stupid becaus she pronounces "nuclear" wrong. uh, thats the same way Al Gore does, guy. Is he stupid too? I think your list just went one point too long - you're out of gas and sputtering<p> 11)she's gaffe prone? Right like the time she asked her "good friend" in the Missouri state government to stand up for the crowd - y'know, the ONE IN THE WHEEL CHAIR. Or how about the time she said Hillary would be a better VP choice. Oh wait - that's right: those are YOUR VP's gaffes. My mistake.<p> Do I want to continue this? By "this" you mean me having to actually explain the truth behind all the silly little halftruths and lies you posted (and a few unsupported jibes because you wanted a nice long list)? Sure - come up with a few more lies and I'll try to clarify them for you.
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This is all part of their plan for global enslavement.
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It's not liberal vs. conservative. Obama's a technocrat. McCain isn't. It's the 21st Century.
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http://www.ushistory.org/Declaration/document/index.htm <p>The Unanimous Declaration of the Thirteen United States of America When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. --Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world. He has refused his assent to laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good. He has forbidden his governors to pass laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them. He has refused to pass other laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of representation in the legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only. He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures. He has dissolved representative houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people. He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the legislative powers, incapable of annihilation, have returned to the people at large for their exercise; the state remaining in the meantime exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within. He has endeavored to prevent the population of these states; for that purpose obstructing the laws for naturalization of foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migration hither, and raising the conditions of new appropriations of lands. He has obstructed the administration of justice, by refusing his assent to laws for establishing judiciary powers. He has made judges dependent on his will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries. He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance. He has kept among us, in times of peace, standing armies without the consent of our legislature. He has affected to render the military independent of and superior to civil power. He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his assent to their acts of pretended legislation: For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us: For protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment for any murders which they should commit on the inhabitants of these states: For cutting off our trade with all parts of the world: For imposing taxes on us without our consent: For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of trial by jury: For transporting us beyond seas to be tried for pretended offenses: For abolishing the free system of English laws in a neighboring province, establishing therein an arbitrary government, and enlarging its boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule in these colonies: For taking away our charters, abolishing our most valuable laws, and altering fundamentally the forms of our governments: For suspending our own legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever. He has abdicated government here, by declaring us out of his protection and waging war against us. He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burned our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people. He is at this time transporting large armies of foreign mercenaries to complete the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of cruelty and perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the head of a civilized nation. He has constrained our fellow citizens taken captive on the high seas to bear arms against their country, to become the executioners of their friends and brethren, or to fall themselves by their hands. He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavored to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian savages, whose known rule of warfare, is undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions. In every stage of these oppressions we have petitioned for redress in the most humble terms: our repeated petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people. Nor have we been wanting in attention to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, enemies in war, in peace friends. We, therefore, the representatives of the United States of America, in General Congress, assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the name, and by the authority of the good people of these colonies, solemnly publish and declare, that these united colonies are, and of right ought to be free and independent states; that they are absolved from all allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the state of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as free and independent states, they have full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and to do all other acts and things which independent states may of right do. And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.
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We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
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Agreeing with me is inevitable. Let's hug.
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"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."<p> OH MY GOD THE FOUNTERS OF OUR NATION WERE CREATIONISTS. THAT FAILS LOST JARV'S FIRST RULE OF VIABLE CANDIDACY!! OUR WHOLE NATION WAS FOUNDED BY INDIVDUALS ILL-PREPARED FOR THE JOB!<p> hold me.
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McCain going to the debate just shatters his argument, fragile as it is. Sorry Ace.
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Little birds in the blogosphere say so.
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I think it's so funny that people believe that McCain is afraid to debate because he wants to delay it. He was the one who asked Obama to have Town Hall meetings and debates over the summer and Obama refused. He's been wanting to get his chance at debating with Obama. Why? Because Obama is a terrible debater. He can't answer questions straight. I'll admit he has great charisma and can give a speech. But when it comes to questioning, he does like most politicians (especially, as I've noticed, Democrats). He tries to work himself out of the question. He has to think about what his answers will be because he isn't sure. He's afraid of answering the wrong way and offending someone. If what makes a great President is making great speeches, then Obama has it. But that's not how it works. As for them being afraid of Palin debating. That has to be even more BS than McCain being afraid of debating. I believe that even Palin could go up against Obama. I'd really like to see that. Palin has only looked bad because the media has made her that way. They've been looking for ways to bring her down, and they couldn't. The interviews that most people see are edited (very badly I might add). Then Palin would answer a question directly, but the interviewer (at least in ABC's case) would continue to ask the question pretending that she didn't answer it, when in fact she did. Then what she says is usually taken out of context and ran over and over again. Whereas Biden is saying dumber and dumber things each day and only gets a brief mention. Did people forget that when he was bashing McCain because he was a Senator and couldn't help the country in his time in office, that Biden was in the same office? And the time that Biden admitted that Hilary was a better candidate than him? Come on. The guy's an idiot. Palin could run circles around him. If people would actually watch unedited, unbiases interviews with Palin, they might see her for who she really is, and not what most of the media is feeding you. I'm glad that Matt Lauer was finally questioning Obama about some recent events (including Biden being an idiot candidate). Obama couldn't answer the question (typical). He kept trying to get out of it and Matt continued to question him. When a candidate can't give a straight answer, that's when you keep questioning them, not when they give you a straight answer, even if you don't agree with the answer. Too bad the rest of the media isn't questioning Obama. As for McCain and Obama needing to be in Washington, I agree. McCain sees that he was voted into office as a Senator as a voice for the people he elected. If he chooses not to be there, especially in something so critical, then he isn't doing his job as a Senator. He's not being that voice that people voted him for. Obama doesn't get that. Two years ago, it seemed he did. He said that he made a promise to the people who elected him as Senator that he would fulfill his position as Senator and not leave it to seek a Presidency. But now he's choosing to ignore his reponsibilities of his current job in a major crisis in order to seek a bigger job. People being angry over McCain suspending his campaign over this is only proving that this couldn't be a political move. Saying that a President has to deal with more than one thing at a time is true. I agree with that. But if the President had to choose between fulfilling his duties to his country in a crisis and a peace conference meeting in another country, I would hope he would stay in Washington. The peace conference (like the debates) can be delayed. Those in the conference would understand (or at least I would hope they would). A President can't be in more than one place at a time. If your child or wife was very ill or was in a serious accident and you had an important meeting at work. Which would you choose? To stay home with your family until everything is OK and delay the meeting or just go to the meeting? This situation isn't much of a difference. Just on a bigger scale, which makes it even more important.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 11:18 a.m. CST
NOW ARCADIAN IS COMPARING SARAH PALIN TO GEORGE WASHINGTON
by BringingSexyBack
Hold you? You need a strait jacket, freak.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 11:18 a.m. CST
uh for the idiots who still slam McCain's 'not using email'
by ArcadianDS
he's disabled as a result of his injuries during his bailout and subsequent imprisonment by enemy military forces. His injuries render him unable to use a computer - oh he *could* use one, but at about the speed of a newborn chicken pecking out keys at random.<p> So yeah lets all ridicule the cripple! we can't have a cripple be President!<p> Oh wait - we already had a Democratic President who was a cripple. How ironic.
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Maybe the Justice League movie is going to get made.
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I offer the milk of truth!!!!!!
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is that a deniable fact? And Im pretty sure my comparison ended there, unless you have more to share.<p> in before Im accused of supporting pedophile directors.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 11:21 a.m. CST
GEORGE WASHINGTON DIDN'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OF 230 YEARS
by BringingSexyBack
of scientific studies and advances too, genius. Keep going.
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If u go on youtube there is a whole video from Palin speaking at a church talking about how dinosaurs never existed. On another note how can u republicans still be for McCain? It's the right side leadership that has crippled this country to one of the lowest points it has ever been. to me it seems people are still afraid of the black man.
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The debate will go on!
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It makes Obama seem like his priorities are hosed. That emphasizes one of Obama's weaknesses... the perception that he's all marketing.<p>
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Sept. 26, 2008, 11:22 a.m. CST
And I really REALLY hope that the Obama supporters are right
by ArcadianDS
I hope that he IS a good and honest man. I hope that he IS a capable and wise leader. I hope that he DOES have a plan that is good for this country and I hope that he IS the right man for the job.<p> Because there's a chance he can win - and if he does, for the sake of us all, we need this to be correct. I do not believe that it is, but thats just my one vote in the issue. If my vote falls within the minority of the electoral vote count, then I pray to the Creationist God that Obama is indeed all these things. I dont think he is, but thats why his campain is all about "Hope" - we all better hope if he wins, that he learns quick.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 11:22 a.m. CST
YOU KNOW WHY MCCAIN IS SO ERRATIC AND INDECISIVE?
by BringingSexyBack
Witchcraft.
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here's your opportunity to give us a bullet list of these studies and advances. I'd love to see them.<p> PS: skip the Piltdown Man portion of your bullet list. That was disproven a while ago.
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I'd prefer she was at the top of the ticket. She's the most refreshing national political figure since Reagan.<p>
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okay that was funny.
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Doesn't mean I don't like Sarah Palin.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 11:25 a.m. CST
Just Because Your Tortured Doesn't Mean You Get To Rule The Free
by What The Duck
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Obama is all of that, and more. He will set this country right and we'll all be better for it. <p> Now let's hug.
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"I'd prefer she was at the top of the ticket. She's the most refreshing national political figure since Reagan."====== You mean post-Alzheimers Reagan... right?
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and he believed that we were created by 'something' but chose to not affix a label or identity to that something. He was a 'creationist' in a generic sense, but distanced himself from Christians. He believed that the Old Testament was indeed the word of Jehovah, but remained skeptical about the New Testament and the diety of Jesus.
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just because you are obtuse doesn't mean you just made a point.
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Palin does not believe that counts as Christian.
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http://www.freelevi.org
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this election year is all about finding someone to keep the seat warm until we get a real President.
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Do you really think Reagan was refreashing. Im not sure if he was ever really "aware" he was president Jellybean anyone?
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The fact that we can sit here and debate endless on who is right or wrong, but it's being done so on an ENTERTAINMENT website. <p> So at least we all have THAT in common. Because if a machine can learn the value of human life...maybe we can too.
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Mitch McConnell just put Judd Gregg in charge of the GOP negotiations. That's a REAL interesting choice. At least it isn't that hosebag Sununu.
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It was never off to begin with. You need to work on your spin better.
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Everything I put up was easily sourced. But we'll go over it again. <P>Creationism- fine, she's not king. I get this. However, she has said that this is something she believes in. <P>Pork- She's a hypocrite. And I wasn't referring to the Bridge (because I haven't bothered reading up on it- I never refer to it). I was referring to the massive amount of earmarks she's sent back to her town. <P>Rape Kits. I'm not going to waste my breath telling you why this is dreadful, but if you really think it's ok then, well, fuck. <P>Experience. Bill however, had left the country more than twice. Bill on the other hand was not hailed as having the most experience of all the candidates. Terrible. <P>The majority of women are pro-choice. They certainly do not conform to her rabidly pro-life positions. <P>Book banning. No I'm not making it up. I am prepared to concede that Letters to Wasilla may be made up by a disgruntled employee but the lack of action suggests that the woman has it bang on. <P>Foriegn policy experience- She did not own a passport until she was in her 40's. She has left the country TWICE. My god. <P>Adultery- the NAtional Enquirer was good enough for you when it was trashing Edwards, but I am prepared to admit that it is a scurrilous rag. However, if they do have the evidence they say they do, then expect to see it in other sources soon. If it turns out to be a "Ghost of Elvis had my Alien lovechild" story then I will admit to being wrong. <P>Stupidity. There's hundreds of examples- how about linking the Iraq war to Al Qaeda in a speech recently. That was either stupidity or a monstrous gaffe. What about not knowing what VP does- if she's stupid then fine- if not then again I stand corrected. <P>Gaffe prone. She's gaffe prone, so is biden. If you look above I said Biden was a bad pick. I still think he is. <P>as to you're bullshit attempt to spin away a sample of the things against her (there's more), I'd like to congratulate you on a great job. I bet it convinced a few people. But everything I put up is checkable very, very easily. <P>Here's another 2 for you- She quotes from fascists and she saw that fucking witchdocter. <P>Please spin away.
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McCain doesn't actually have any fully laid out positions on Net Neutrality, the 700MHz auction, or other information economy issues.
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And that used to count as being a Christian.<br><br> Presidential Unitarians: John Adams, John Quincy Adams, Millard Fillmore, William Howard Taft.
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are you honestly trying to say that the beliefs of people (as great as they were) hundreds of years ago are remotely comparable to the beliefs held by people nowadays? <P>Good luck with that.
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The more people are exposed to her, the more they grow to HATE her voice. It's a stupid, superficial thing, and a terrible thing upon which to base your vote - but would YOU want to be hearing the Yukon version of Fran Dresher every nightg on your TV for the next eight years?
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in fact, and its been a while since I was in school, but just about ALL flavors of Protestant and Catholic = Creationist.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 11:38 a.m. CST
ANCHORITE - YOUR MCCAIN FANTASY IS AT ODDS WITH REALITY
by BringingSexyBack
McCain showed up at the White House and did not say a word until the meeting is over. Then he dropped a piece of paper given to him by House Reps - an outline for a proposal to have the government insure trillions worth of toxic securities (kinda like AIG to the Nth degree), deregulate more, and lower cap gains tax - and walked out. <p> That's not productive, not leadership. Just a photo op to appeal to people like you. I guess it worked.
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don't consider Unitarians to be Christians. They don't think Mormons or Catholics are Christians either.
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Word on the street is that Paulson brought Obama in on the White House meeting yesterday to negotiate on the bailout and Obama opened on the house republicam plan, sending the meeting into chaos. There was never a deal. It is a democratic lie, as always. They are trying to blame McCain for Obama's failure. I kenw ths smelled funny. Obama is a failure. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid have majorities in both houses of congress. They don't need the republicans to pass a bailout. They are both failures. The just want to bailout their flunkies.
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your last monologue contained more fantasy fiction than a R.A. Salvatore hardback, so you might want to hold all ROFLing until the end.
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Yeah, I'd like to see all this scientific research. Science has yet to disprove God's existence or that we were created by something higher than ourselves. In fact, it's practically proved it. Science, no matter the theory, has shown that something powerful had to kickstart life on our planet. They just can't figure out what it is (or want to admit it). There are several books out there written by scientists who set out to disprove God only to finally realize that He existed. I wish I could think of them off the top of my head, especially since I have debated on purchasing one of those books myself to see what they have to say. All this Science vs. Faith is ridiculous. A lot of that actually comes from centuries of religious people bashing science and now that divide has turned on them. But how can someone look at the scientific knowledge that we have today and see how complicated the universe, the ecosystem, and even our own bodies are and believe that it was all created by accident and not by design? To me science backs faith.
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Catholics believe in Evolution. I'm pretty sure Episcopalians are evolutionists too.
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a majority can pass the bill, but you need a full TWO THIRDS of all votes to approve any spending in the Senate.<p> I last studied this in the late 1980s, so I may be rusty. Can anyone with a fresher degree back me up on this?
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Whaaaaa?
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I agree that neither Obama nor McCain are great candidates for President. But those are the choices we are faced with. Yeah, there are other parties, but we know they will never get the attention needed to be elected (and most of them rightfully so). The only hope we had may have been if Bloomberg decided to run after leaving the Republican party and going independant. Just like previous elections before this, you just have to go with the "lesser evil". By the way, that's not saying either is "evil", just using that expression
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most republicans sound. Being a democrat, being an American, I feel we have on obligation to help those less fortunate than us. Reupblicans say, "AHH! Get away! Don't take my money! I need this iphone!" Jesus Christ! Only the rich people are going to get taxed more.
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And you never will. Like I said, we're going to have to agree to disagree. I also don't agree that Biden was a bad pick. I think he was a smart pick in any way. A few things, tho: <br><br>"National Enquirer was good enough for you when it was trashing Edwards, but I am prepared to admit that it is a scurrilous rag."<br><br> I didn't think much of their trashing of Edwards. I don't think it's really any of their damn business, quite frankly. But, so far, they've produced zero evidence on Palin, just hearsay. When they come up with something substantial, we can talk, but quite frankly I still wouldn't consider it any of their damn business.<br><br> "Pork- She's a hypocrite. And I wasn't referring to the Bridge (because I haven't bothered reading up on it- I never refer to it). I was referring to the massive amount of earmarks she's sent back to her town."<br><br> She didn't send back any "earmarks". Earmarks are a way of attaching unrelated spending to bills to get pork back to a city or state. She was asking for pork, not making any statement that suggested it should be attached to unrelated legislation. All governors do it. Yes, she is being less than completely forthright on the Bridge to Nowhere. And she did get a lot of that money and spend it.<br><br>I understand the problem with the rape kits, and agree that's a bad policy. It was Palin's police chief that enforced it, and she could have tried to change the policy and did not. Her bad.<br><br> She said we were fighting the same people in Iraq who perpetrated 9/11--i.e., Al Quaeda. There's a reason why the military and the politicians refer to Al Quaeda in Iraq. Maybe they weren't there until we came over, but everyone apparently agrees they are there now. Thus, we are indeed fighting the same people in Iraq that perpetrated 9/11, though it may be our fault that they are there in first place.<br><br> I get that you think she's stupid. Understood. I just don't agree with your assessment.
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...does McCain sleep in a cage? Sorta like Keaton in Batman 89....when he slept suspended upside down when Kim Basinger woke up after a night of getting fucked proper. Anyway....what if at home McCain sleeps on a bamboo rug covered in a mound of dried leaves with a small can of tiger piss by his head to remind him of the good old days when he used to party like a rockstar in a tiger cage with his pals Da' Cong.
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I believe the old saying is: "Democrats whine about how unfair life is. Republicans ensure that it is."
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Now if only McCain can remember if he is still for a Deal on the Bailout or not. Kinda hard to claim he's confident in his postition or better informed if he doesn't even remember that ?<p> <p>BTW Did Washington ot Jefferson hunt for Witches ? Perhaps Brad Hanson was possesed by a demon and Palin was trying to "exorcize" him with the aid of Lipstick.
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I need my frickin' iPhone. You keep your socialist paws off it, you welfare queen.
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... the National Enquirer has had their shit together.
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It was reasoned and balanced. I even said that if events unfold to show otherwise I'll hold my hands up. <P>Obisdawn- you're deliberately going at that bass-ackwards. Science does not have to disprove the existence of god. Science has to prove that he exists. So far this is manifestly not the case- but religion collapses when held to scrutiny- as God is meant to be taken on faith. Something beyond science. <P>Me, I don't know if God exists or not, but that was pathetic.
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There, I said it!
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Sept. 26, 2008, 11:49 a.m. CST
You're "Voting For McCain Because Palin's Smart?"
by Read and Shut Up
...apparently, you NEVER saw "Dumb and Dumber." I can't wait 'till the VP debate, when Palin can't answer a single question but shows the panel how she can light a fart.
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I'm a Christian. I believe in Evolution. The only anti-evolution tracts I ever received were from dyed-in-the-wool Democrats. Anecdotal, take it for what you will, but I'm positive the folks who handed me the "Myth of Evolution" tracts at the place I used to work are going to be voting Obama.
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Looking for that video...can't find it. I see the one where she prays that soldiers in Iraq will do God's will (which is different from saying that the war is God's will). The closest I can come to an actual quote is a second-hand accusation from a Palin opponent.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 11:52 a.m. CST
I was going to vote McCain until Palin's affair...
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
...came out. I would never vote for two adulterers. I'm a Christian/Conservative.....but they are the moral authority that should be leading by example under the foundation of Jesus Christ. They have let me down. Both of them.
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The Policies you want the Dinsoaurs you NEED!
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"but would YOU want to be hearing the Yukon version of Fran Dresher every nightg on your TV for the next eight years?"<br><br> Aboslutely. 100% yes.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 11:53 a.m. CST
MOONBATS! HERE'S A VIDEO OF MCCAIN USING A COMPUTER
by BringingSexyBack
Suck it! <p> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj-on3kfWuE
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I heard an audio clip on the radio. I don't know if there is video or just audio....she said, "THIS WAR IS GOD'S WILL...."
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"The only anti-evolution tracts I ever received were from dyed-in-the-wool Democrats. I'm positive the folks who handed me the "Myth of Evolution" tracts at the place I used to work are going to be voting Obama".======= Dude, that doesn't make even the tiniest amount of sense.
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ONE HOUSE <BR> ONE SPOUSE <P> OBAMA / BIDEN 08
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about it being none of anyone's business. If it's wrong then I will say so- if it's not then so be it. <P>Sorry about the pork thing. Lazy terminolgy on my behalf. I stand corrected. <P>Iraq and Al Qaeda- slip of my brain- I meant she linked Iraq to 9/11. I am officially more stupid than Palin. Very sorry. Anyhoo, now I'm a confirmed cretin back to the point.... <P>She's a fucking terrible candidate. Christ. She's really, really awful and I'm astounded that Americans can't see this.
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HATE THE GOOKS COOK THE MOOSE McCain /Palin 08 Nah. That doesn't work...
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Personal, direct experience. These same folks sported "Kerry/Edwards" buttons. They just didn't like Evil-lution.
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I mean... really.
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Nancy Pelosi and Harry reid can pas anything they want. They wont do it because they now the Paulson deal is bad. Obama filed last night. He screwed up the meetings in the whitehouse. All of his flunkies have their hands all over this mess. Rueben, Raine, Gorelick, Johnson. etc. Where the hell is Joe "MBNA" Biden at?
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She's a fucking terrible candidate. Christ. She's really, really awful and I'm astounded that Americans can't see this. <br><br> I'm just not sure we agree on that. I don't think it's that they "can't" see it, it's that they don't see it like you.<br><br> To perhaps both our points, William F. Buckley once said: "I am obliged to confess I should sooner live in a society governed by the first two thousand names in the Boston telephone directory than in a society governed by the two thousand faculty members of Harvard University."<br><br>The folks that agree with Bill Buckley on that point also like Sarah Palin. Go figure.
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but I draw the line at witch-hunting pastors.
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No one wants to lose an election in such a stupid way. This will be an interesting debate. And last night's Supernatural was awesome.
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McCain refused to reach across party lines to get the bailout deal passed. Obama showed he will.
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(CNN) – Former Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee said Friday the John McCain made a "huge mistake" by even floating the possibility he would not appear at the first presidential debate as planned. <P> “You can’t just say, ‘World stop for a moment. I’m going to cancel everything,” Huckabee told the Associated Press Thursday.
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he's misquoting himself and attempting to back down from what he said. Here's examples: <p> " Creationism- fine, she's not king. I get this. However, she has said that this is something she believes in." - except you listed this as a reason she is NOT a good candidate for public office. Now all of a sudden yo usay "I get this. I guess its okay." way to back down from your loudspeaker. <p> "Pork- She's a hypocrite. And I wasn't referring to the Bridge (because I haven't bothered reading up on it- I never refer to it). I was referring to the massive amount of earmarks she's sent back to her town." You specifically said, "Bridge to nowhere" so yes, you WERE referring to it specifically and exclusively. You did NOT make any blanket statements about her spending policies in general (which are WAAAY down in her administration). You said "bridge to nowhere" and nothing more. Now you claim you weren't even referring to it. You're amazing.<p> "Rape Kits. I'm not going to waste my breath telling you why this is dreadful, but if you really think it's ok then, well, fuck." - Im not saying its okay. Im saying you're twisting the truth. No victim of rape was ever charged a SINGLE PENNY for a 'rape kit' - it was passed on to any insurance carrier who said, "oh yeah we cover those!" and was NOT billed to the victim if the insurance carrier denied the claim. Its like this in MANY cities in our country. Im not saying its okay - Im saying its not fair to hold Wasilla, Alaska to a higher standard than every other city in our union.<p> "Experience. Bill however, had left the country more than twice. Bill on the other hand was not hailed as having the most experience of all the candidates. Terrible." - Bill was a governor of a low population, blue collar state and ran on a ticket of executive experience and a personal connection to 'small town America' - and now all of a sudden that's not good enough for the VICE presidency (remember: Palin isn't running for President).<p> "The majority of women are pro-choice. They certainly do not conform to her rabidly pro-life positions. - you are statistically incorrect. In May of 2008, Gallup released a poll that showed that only 13% of the potential voters this year will insist that a candidate share their same view on abortion. 37% said it was "not a major issue". source: gallop.com<p> "Book banning. No I'm not making it up. I am prepared to concede that Letters to Wasilla may be made up by a disgruntled employee but the lack of action suggests that the woman has it bang on." - lack of action? Im confused here. You're saying that because she hasn't UNbanned any books, that this must mean she's in favor of banning them? I referenced the same emails already. she was asking what the RESPONSE PLAN would be in the event that books WERE to be removed. If I ask someone, 'whats the response plan if there is a fire here?' does that make me an arsonist??<p> "Foriegn policy experience- She did not own a passport until she was in her 40's. She has left the country TWICE. My god." - which is why she shouldn't be at the top of this ticket. I would imagine that because McCain has MASSIVE experience here, he decided his running mate shouldn't necessarily be redundant. Obama's pick of Biden mirrors that same logic. Biden has massive FP experience to supplement Obama's complete lack. Oh wait - owning a passport is like having a diploma in foreign policy now.<p> "Adultery- the NAtional Enquirer was good enough for you when it was trashing Edwards, but I am prepared to admit that it is a scurrilous rag. However, if they do have the evidence they say they do, then expect to see it in other sources soon. If it turns out to be a "Ghost of Elvis had my Alien lovechild" story then I will admit to being wrong." - truth dosage: I was skeptical of the Edwards story from the very start - specifically because of the source. And Im not saying they are wrong here, either - Im taking the same exact position as I did with the Edwards story: skeptical. You should do the same. You would expect us to give you that same respect, wouldn't you?<p> "Stupidity. There's hundreds of examples- how about linking the Iraq war to Al Qaeda in a speech recently. That was either stupidity or a monstrous gaffe. What about not knowing what VP does- if she's stupid then fine- if not then again I stand corrected." - Hillary made the same link. Al Gore made the same link. Joe Biden made the same link. The list goes on. If Sarah is stupid for this, then you have to declare the overwhelming majority of elected Democratic officials stupid for the same reason. saying "the list goes on" is another way of saying, "I dont have any more examples to offer."<p> "Gaffe prone. She's gaffe prone, so is biden. If you look above I said Biden was a bad pick. I still think he is." - Obama is gaffe prone. McCain is gaffe prone. Hillary said some doozies, and lets not even START with Bill Clinton. If being 'gaffe prone' was a disqualification for public office, we'd have no government anymore. This wasn't even a valid topic. You threw it in as an afterthought. let it go. there's real meat to chew on instead.<P> "as to you're bullshit attempt to spin away a sample of the things against her (there's more), I'd like to congratulate you on a great job. I bet it convinced a few people. But everything I put up is checkable very, very easily." - which is exactly what I did when you mentioned something that I had not previously been exposed to. I did some googles and just posted what I read. I hadn't heard the whole Rape Kit thing before, so I went to google News and read about 8 articles (from real newspapers. I dont read ANY blogs). You might want to do the same, because more than 4 times here, you backed up from a statement or outright contradicted yourself when approached with some actual 'checking up'."<p> "Here's another 2 for you- She quotes from fascists and she saw that fucking witchdocter." - you might want to read one of Obama's books before you start throwing around fascists associations to candidates. He's written that he always felt a closeness to the marxists on campus and felt there was they had some positions he could agree with. its the old story about slinging mud - everyone's dirty.<p> "Please spin away." - so just to understand you here, everything you've said is "checkable" and truthful, and anything anyone else says that doesn't entirely agree with you = "spin." you have the limitless arrogance of Barak Obama. I see why you like him.
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Mooseilini is breathtakingly stupid.
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made Buckley a persona non grata and more or less repudiated everything he believed in.
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Please, missing this debate was never an option regardless of what was said in the media. McCain's staffers' response was along the lines of: "Sir, you can NOT let your opponent sit on stage for a nationally televised debate BY HIMSELF for two hours to have free reign over the airwaves without you there to respond. If you do that you may as well withdraw from the race."
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So what you're saying is that I'm anti democracy when you're pro. <P>That is the biggest load of bullshit ever- and actually seriously insulting. I think she is a fucking terrible candidate, but I'm not advocating some sort of stupid Academocracy. <P>If anything it seems to me that you are advocating being governed by only those people who's surname starts with the letter A. <P>Don't be silly- at no point have I said that I'm anti democracy, but let me ask you this, if you'd had any say in picking the VP would you honestly have voted for her?
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That's the same buzz word they used against Mike Dukakis. And Dukakis was certainly a smarter and more honest man than his presidential opponent.
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Makes my talkbacking much easier.
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We need to get these assholes out of Washington.
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http://tinyurl.com/3mq4zx <p>Pentecostals believe in "baptism in the Holy Spirit." That can manifest itself through speaking in tongues, modern-day prophesy and faith healing, which includes the laying on of hands. <p> I SAY FUCK YES!! SOUNDS LIKE A PARTY!!
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But, if you wanna think so, go ahead. Certainly, Buckley was opposed to pre-emptive wars (a reasonable stand) and was pro-drug legalization (even better!). Alas, Buckley never ran for office.<br><br>Also, those were hardly the only things he believed in. Buckley favored a strong standing military and lower taxes.
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Shouldn't you be out looking for Cheech and Chong?
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Sept. 26, 2008, 12:10 p.m. CST
I'd Pick Palin . . . I Would Not Have Picked McCain
by kevinwillis.net
Although to be clear, I'm not suggesting anyone is anti-Democracy here.
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I cast thee OUT foul DEMONS of the ECONOMY!!!! Begone or I shall smite thee with my Holy Lipstick of the LORD!!
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Sept. 26, 2008, 12:10 p.m. CST
Republicans are getting start getting quiet....
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
...real quiet. This race is over and they know it.
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but I think the Neos are seeing her as their future pointman. They will make her one of them.
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Quiet...What are you basing that on?
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Sept. 26, 2008, 12:12 p.m. CST
Coughlins Laws -- its over fucker...admit it.
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
No way in hell could the campaign recover from this. <P> I say keep letting Palin talk....keep putting her in front of the camera. <P> MCCAIN'S CAMPAIGN IS SLOWLY IMPLODING AND IT GIVES ME A HARD ON TO WATCH!!
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A more accurate analogy is that, culturally, she's Mike Huckabee with a vaginBLLLLUUUUURRRRAAAAGGGHHHHHH
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Kevin I actually agree with you by Lost Jarv Sep 26th, 2008 11:56:45 AM<p> about it being none of anyone's business. If it's wrong then I will say so- if it's not then so be it. <p> Sorry about the pork thing. Lazy terminolgy on my behalf. I stand corrected. <p> Iraq and Al Qaeda- slip of my brain- I meant she linked Iraq to 9/11. I am officially more stupid than Palin. Very sorry. Anyhoo, now I'm a confirmed cretin back to the point.... <p> She's a fucking terrible candidate. Christ. She's really, really awful and I'm astounded that Americans can't see this.<p> ---- <p> A post full of 'oh I guess I was wrong about that, too' and capped with a 'but the heart of what I said is still the truth, so that justifies my flawed facts!'<p> Remember the last guy who used that defense? His name was Dan Rather.
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I'm talking voters-- not Republican politicians.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 12:15 p.m. CST
BringingSexyBack - The most correct thing ever said in a TB
by Cletus Van Damme
"The Rothschilds are laughing their asses off."<p>My friend, nothing on earth is more accurate that than statement. In just a few short years, we're all going to see just how right that was.
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Rather was never proven wrong. The memos were never proven to be fakes. Personally, I believe they were fakes, but it was never actually proven.
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More like "I saw the polls that said 3/4 of the people are seeing right through my bullshit political stunt so it looks like I need to get my chicken ass up to that podium". <br><br>You McCain spinsters are fucking hilarious.
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BAN it then Burn it and follow the smoke to... THE WITCH!!! a SORCEROR! Paulson is an ungodly Munster!!! He has the sign of SATAN upon him! See how he speaks in tongues about Credit Default Swaps and the failure of Regulation to confuse the innocent.<p> <p>Fire is the Cleanser. We must Burn him.
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The teleprompter thing was June's talking point. He spoke for extended lengths yesterday off the cuff. Try to keep up, son.
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Palin is a great candidate and an intelligent woman. Thats why she is the laughing stock of the entire planet.
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"...if so many Democrats didn't back the war..."<P>The point is more like, we wouldn't be in Iraq right now if our President didn't decide to take us there.
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According to most dependable tracking polls (Gallup, Rasmussen, etc.), from Monday through today McCain has gained on Obama. At the beginning of the week he was down anywhere from 4 to 8 point whereas this morning McCain was between Down 4 to even. I have numbers as backup, where's yours? P.S. I'm not even voting for McCain, but I'm not a Kool-Aid Drinker.
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...they were deceived. They acted on the evidence presented. Once they realized it was all an illusion, they spoke against it. Republicans are ignorant enough to continue to support a sham.
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It was proven. The memos were identical in typeface and _kerning_ to the default settings of Microsoft Word. There's no frickin' way those memos weren't fake. People have gotten in big trouble for much less obvious forgeries.<br><br> While I'm sure Rather didn't know it ahead of time, the process of producing and "aging" the memos via multiple xeroxing was transparently obvious. If those memos weren't "proved" to be fake, I'm not sure by what standard anything could be said to be a forgery.
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yeah because I can see every 4th person on the street just laughing about it. You saying it doesn't make it so. Kinda like most things you say. (here comes the Roman Polanski bit).
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The man's got a deer in the headlights look on him after this bailout debacle. It's sad to watch really: the man knows he needs to do the right thing (fight for an amended version of the bailout package) but his party won't allow it. It's the same party that forced him to pick Palin and you can just see the frustration in his eyes with being stuck with someone so atrocious.
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Right, like McCain doesn't rely on prepared soundbites. McCain really should have a debate with himself. The dude changes positions more than Annabel Chong at a gangbang. <br><br> I'm curious though if McCain will bring up his past as a POW tonight. He really doesn't talk about that enough.
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at Palin are Kool-Aid drinkers. Honest people would admit Palin saved McCain's arse. That's nothing to laugh at.
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You know what, I can't be arsed to go through that list again, as it's nearly hometime, but let me just take a few of your most deluded statements. <P>Arcadian. That was not a climbdown. It was me saying that i understand that she wasn't being elected king, but think that a person in her position with a belief in creationism is a bad thing. The 2 are not mutually exclusive. See also you're extremely knuckleheaded point about the book burning. I did all the work on citations in the other thread when discussing this with Dr. Who? and cannot be bothered to do this again- but please feel free to look at them, they're in the other political thread on the right (appropriatly enough). Spin. Hysterical- not one thing you have put up contradicts me. All you do is say "But you don't say this stuff about X-democrat" or "AHA, you admit it!!!! GOT YOU". <P>Coughlins, I am not saying for 1 second that 100% of women are pro-choice. Even that quote of mine does not say that. However, the majority of women are and to assume that she will attract enough Hilary supporters to make a difference is absurd. May I also refer you to previous answers about Letters to Wasilla. Not once have I referred to that list (which was obvious bullshit). Furthermore Coughlins, you are also following the standard attack pattern of your kind- Which is to shout and scream and compare with Obama (who I also think is a bad candidate- you have 4 bad candidates, frankly). <P>Stop pretending she's the second coming of Thatcher. She's pretty awful- and the rest of the world is worried about this. Seriously worried.
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this is the real average from all polling sources combined. Check out realclearpolitics.com for details on how they average different polls.
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So I'm out. Have fun. <P>I'm glad it's on again, as I want to watch it.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 12:27 p.m. CST
Obama Will Definitely Lose the Election, Definitely
by kevinwillis.net
"I gurantee you that Obama will not win."<Br><Br> Do not bet money on that guarantee. There is no previous situation where the incumbent party has been as unpopular as Bush where the same party's candidate has won. It hasn't happened. There are plenty of historical arguments that suggest Obama wins, though the race will be tight.<br><br> The only mitigating factors are really unknowns. How does Obama's race and his distinctly non-Anglo-Irish name play into it? There's not really a historical precedent for those factors, which may be decisive or entirely irrelevant. Senators have a hard time (historically) winning the Whitehouse, but both candidates are sitting senators.<br><br> When the economy seems to be going south--and it certainly does--this almost never favors the incumbent.<br><br> I'm voting for Palin, but an Obama win is more than possible. Given the historical factors we know, it's likely.
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In the interest of accuracy:<p> CBS did not ever say "these are fake" but they when from saying "thoroughly investigated by independent experts" to "CBS News cannot prove that the documents are authentic" in a span of 10 days. Thats quite a backtrack.
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Obama is picking up speed.....whoever wins these two-- wins the election.
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for how many times mcCain will bring up being a POW.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 12:29 p.m. CST
Exorcize thyself foul adulteress! Brad Hanson I cast thee out!
by G100
The Lord sees thy sin. Even unto the white wastes that are the abode of the Moose. He sees even unto the snowmobile dealership back office where thy Harlots Lipstick was used to tempt a poor man who only wished to be fruitfull in Business into SIN!!! Carnal SIN!!
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Sept. 26, 2008, 12:29 p.m. CST
Coughlins Laws -- yeah I am...time to play hard ball...
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
Now fuck off.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 12:30 p.m. CST
Arcadian....you seem to be an honest chap...
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
..I'll save the Polanski bit today.
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I don't know the spread. I'm betting that it'll come up seventeen times.<br><br> "You may say my time is up to answer this question, but when I was a POW, I had all the time I needed to answer any question, back in Hanoi. Because I was a veteran. Of a war. And a prisoner. For our country."
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Sept. 26, 2008, 12:32 p.m. CST
when asked about how many houses he owns....
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
I love that shit when McCain responded every time with, "You know....I was a POW...." <P> He is fucking pathetic. Absolutely pathetic. Its sad he is the best thing the Republicans have at the moment....
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I would be interested in the second cumming of Thatcher if she trimmed once in awhile.....
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What's pathetic your completely one-sidedness. What does the number of houses that McCain can't remember having have to do with policy?
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It's the LAW!
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The Polls have always skewed towards the Democratic ticket. Not by conspiracy, but because when asked questions like "do you think we should give food to the homeless?" most people will say "well sure!" and then followed by "Would you vote for a candidate who supports giving food to the homeless?" they are led along a line of questions. Polls are rarely as simple as "who are you voting for?"<p> The Reagan-Carter election was polled as "too close to call" and many polls showed Carter with a thin lead ahead of Reagan. Reagan then went on to win with a 10% lead in the popular vote and absolutely TROUNCED Carter in the electoral vote tally - something like 8 to 1.<p> Bush vs Dukakis was polled as "a very close election that could come down to one or two battleground states" and Dukakis claimed less than a handful of statewide victories. He was thrashed apart in the electoral count.<p> Clinton/Gore was polled at one point as having a 30% advantage in the upcoming election. They went on to win, but by a much smaller margin. While they called it a "clear mandate for change" they actually won with a MINORITY of the popular vote - less than 46%. Had Ross Perot not shaved off about 14 or 15% of the vote, many believe that Clinton would have been defeated by that same margin.<p> Dont trust the polls. They are rarely correct and often mere propaganda.
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Thug/Campaign Aides... same thing. McCain has "thugs" too. Like the one that called a reporter in Alaska at home to cry about unfair coverage. Like the high-priced attorneys trying to stall the trooper-gate investigation in Alaska. And your stuff about trying to silence opponents is just LOL when you look into Palin's history in Alaska. Personally, I try not stress about the "politcal" side of politics too much - it's a dirty business. I vote based on a canidate's postions.
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You're talking about Obama's inexperience and then go on to say you would have preferred Giuliani? Holy shit thats a good one. The only thing you are proving as how much of an absolute scumbag you are. Keep going.
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you are the opposite side of my coin. If either one of us reaches out to the other, we turn into a taco.<p> hmmm....brb lunch.
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I never claimed it has anything to directly with policy. It proves he is a senile fool and his POW tales are pathetic. That is all.
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Biden thought there was television and that Roosevelt was President during The Great Depression when being interviewed by Katie Couric. Nobody made a big deal of that though. I don't think it's a big deal either. I just find it funny how people riding Obama's jock pick out the most outrageous stuff (not having anything to do with policy) to throw at Palin and McCain.
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McCain destroyed his own run for the White House this week and pissed off most of his supporters. If there's anything good to come out of the Wall Street collapse it's the collapse of McCain's campaign.
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is that we are forced to identify with one of two distinct groups, and both groups are thick with absolute idiots who bring nothing but poorly conceived retorts and noise to the discussion, and make it difficult for anyone to make a solid point. It turns into a "oh yeah? we'll aren't you the guys who said Jesus lives in a spaceship?" - no. that was one guy. a stupid guy. who we really would prefer to NOT have on our kickball team, but you chose first and he was the last guy left - we had to take him.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clIJ-VyvkNg&feature=related
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Even though we have our differences. You are somewhat sane and intelligent, unlike that sniveling buffoon Coughlin. What a cunt he is....sheeesh.
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People (Kool Aid Drinkers) also accused Reagen of being senile and he was one of the best Presidents in the history of the nation. Not saying McCain is Reagen. Just saying picking out personality traits you don't like is not the best way to pick a President. Policy seems like a better reason.
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thats because Im an independant who has voted for BOTH parties over the years. I dont owe anybody anything. I just happen to be voting for McCain this time around.<P> Although somebody said something about Margaret Thatcher possibly running? I'd vote for her in a split-second. She'd make both of our candidates look foolish.
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And you would bet a substantial amount of money on this because you of course are good for it...being a succesful business owner right? Oh fuck off. Keep going back to the past. The good old days....its what Republicans are good at. They don't really like to discuss the future, but they sure as fuck like to say, "We're the party of Abraham Lincoln!!" Bla bla bla.......
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Some knew this many, MANY months ago.
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He's backing down, yet offering a 'substantial amount of money' on the bet that McCain wins.<P> dude - where exactly were you backing down FROM? Did you offer up your firstborn child, and then 'back down' to simply wagering unmeasured quantities of money?<p> Please - stop supporting McCain. We got it taken care of. Thanks for the help but seriously, we got it.
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Because we are the party of the future!
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and that title was not given to him at a Republican fundraiser. Clinton has called him that from time to time. Do not speak ill of America's Mayor.<p> Unless its about not campaigning in Florida. that was rather ill.
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I do not wish to communicate with you any further. I show you disrespect because you are ignorant and worthless. You are on par with a smear of dog shit stuck to the bottom of my shoe. <p> You are everything wrong with this country. Have fun watching McCain get destroyed tonight.
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here's two things Obama accomplished during his half-term as a congressman:<p> 1. wrote an autobiographical memoir 2. wrote another aurtobiographical memoir
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Can Joe Biden make that claim? Didn't think so!
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oh thats right - you can't vote naked in a cemetery.<p>
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Rudy claims that he grew New York City’s police force by 12,000 officers between his swearing in as mayor in January 1994 and mid-2000. That’s a flat out lie. Most of the police he’s counting, 7,100 to a man, were already working as housing or transit cops. They were simply folded into the New York Police Department. The writer who ferreted out the material was Viveca Novack. She points out that the real increase in the force’s size was about 3,600, or 10 percent, during the time Giuliani highlights. But Giuliani does not mention that the tab for hiring 3,500 of the officers was partially covered by the federal government. <p> Who really cleaned up New York? In the early 1990s, former Mayor Dinkins put 6,000 more police officers on the street.<p> The city's murder rate fell by 13.7 percent, robbery fell by 14.6 percent, burglary fell by 17.6 percent, and auto theft fell by 23.8 percent.<p> The city's crime rate dropped in all seven FBI major-felony categories for the first time in nearly four decades. <p> The notorious porn shops and movie houses along 42nd Street had already been shut down. <p> The last graffiti-covered subway car had been taken off the line in 1989, under Mayor Ed Koch who preceded Dinkins.<p>
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I have lost count of the number of times he's gone Ecks vs logic against me. I think he's just found a sweeter smelling flower today, and nothing more. Tomorrow, he'll be back to accusing me of being in cahoots with pedophiles and other unsavory types.<p> also, if you're going to keep using our internet, you'll have to be comfortable with the name calling. Its part of what goes on here.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 1:02 p.m. CST
Coughlin....you give yourself too much credit....
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
I've said it time and time again-- I have never once wished death on you. And again...you misquote me. I have never claimed to be a grown up. I may be an adult, but I'm far from grown up. <P> Let me give you a hand and help you out here: FUCK OFF CUNT!!
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Read the ignorant ass bullshit fucknuts crap Coughlins Laws said in the Spike Lee talkback. He's douchejuice.
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Id wager "a substantial amount of money" that if either one of us crossed paths with Mr Dannyboy in Teh Real Worlds, we'd probably have a beer with him. The internet is a fantasy world where you can be everything you're not allowed to be in reality. Its like taking everyone's closeted and covered little angsts and dialing them up to 11. Take everything said about you and at you on the internet with a very toxic dose of salt.
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I call a truce with you. I'm not saying I'll never go off on you or command you to gargle my piss again....but I shan't bring up our pal Roman again. <P> Cheers.
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Was Bush talking about the Economy or McCain ?
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I just skimmed it 4 times. not one single post from him in the Spike Lee talkback, that I could find.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 1:08 p.m. CST
Coughlin....last post to you before I say FUCK OFF...
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
...for the last time today. I swear! <p>But how did I run off? You gave me the best laugh of the week with your Giuliani bit and I proceeded to offer up examples of how is a fucking sleaze that loves to self promote. His 9/11 shit was fucking disgusting. Even you must admit it. He is beyond scum. <p>That is all. Good nite.
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just live debated for the hour, and aired two different versions for the different coasts? That was politics.
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http://www.you tube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH--o
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or Biden interviews? Sheesh, keep painting Palin with "stupid female" brush and see how far it gets ya. If you have doubt, just ask Michael Moore how well it worked on Bush in 2004. And keep acting all indignant. It always works great for you on the undecided... Screw all these freaking lawyers and their brains wired constantly to "how to spin". Don't you get it that we all see right though that shit?
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http://tinyurl.com/3h78sa
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Here we go again.
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hahahahahhahahaha
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Sept. 26, 2008, 1:16 p.m. CST
YES, I'VE SEEN OBAMA WITHOUT A TELEPROMPTER ON MANY OCCASSIONS
by BringingSexyBack
One-on-one interviews, press conferences. He's great. Very thoughtful and extremely knowledgeable on the widest range of issues.
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He contributed nothing. Zilch. He played messenger, delivering a one-page joke of a proposal. <p> What's so hard to understand?
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..makes little to no difference. The people who claim otherwise haven't been paying attention. Now McCain on the other hand, without his teleprompter or index cards...not so sharp. Eyes up, John! Eyes up!
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One of the reasons I have so much hatred toward you is the fact that you constantly misquote me. You even managed to misquote me about my post pointing out you misquote me!! WHAT THE FUCK?! <P> This is from your last post: <p> "....but even if you didn't specifically mean me also (which you clearly did) you DID WISH DEATH ON SARAH PALIN!!! Why do you deny it when it's so easily to prove you did? " <p> See that. I use actual quotes. I copy and paste your exact words to prove a point. Now show me where I denied wishing death on Palin. You can't, because I never fucking denied it. <P> Here is what I said, cretin: "I have never once wished death on you." <p> And I haven't. I did however say someone should shoot Palin from a helicopter just like she shoots those defenseless wolves. I was half joking....but I did say that. And I have never once denied it. <P> Here is another quote of yours.... <p> "....and even if you didn't mean to include me, just SOME Republicans, isn't that bad enough? That you wished death on ANY political opponents?" <p> I NEVER ONCE said Republicans or political opponents of mine should die. You are a fucking liar. I said anyone who seriously believes victims of rape and molestation should not be entitled to an abortion should drop dead. If you think a teenage girl who was raped and impregnated by her own Father should be forced to have that child because of sick partisan ideology, then YES you deserve to fucking DIE and rot in hell because you obviously do not value fellow human beings. I never once specified a political party. <p> Continue to misquote me to prove whatever point you're trying to prove. But NEVER EVER question why I show you a lack of respect. You are a fucking scumbag that twists the words of others to prove your point. There is nothing worse.
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1) "Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending U.S. soldiers out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's will." She isn't saying the war IS God's will, she's saying Christians should pray that our leaders seek God's guidance for what they're doing. There is a BIG difference between the two, a difference that knee-jerk responses fail to appreciate. Christians pray that our leaders do God's will...and that's all we can do. In fact, you can certainly read Palin's remarks as a caution AGAINST militarism in the church. There are too many Christians who want to "rain down fire" from heaven on their enemies through all means, military and otherwise. By telling Christians to pray that soldiers and leaders do God's will, we are opening them to the possibility that God's will is different than their own. That's what she's getting at with "what we have to make sure we're praying for." She's pointing out that too many Christians are praying the wrong thing, asking God to "smite the enemy." Palin says no, you can't do that. The only prayer you can offer is that God's will be done (modeling on the prayer Jesus gave). At no point in her remarks is she calling the war God's will, she is saying Christians should pray God's will be done through leaders and soldiers. Big difference. 2) Regarding the witchcraft thing, I have been on the receiving end of some pretty extremist prayers myself, prayers I felt were theologically abhorrent and personally offensive. But you can't fault the person being prayed for on the basis of what the person praying says. Unless you want to at the expense of any logical argument to the contrary, which is the real issue here.
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that the only people who don't like Palin are people that never would have voted for McCain in the first place. <p> Interesting. How many Republican voters do you know? I know a lot. Most Republican voters I know vote for what's best for the country, and even though we tend to be bloc voters, and very loyal to our party, right now, many of us are ashamed. McCain was not our first choice, but we accepted him, and we support him, more or less. His nomination of Palin shook that support to its knees, however. Playing politics in an election campaign is natural, people say things they don't mean, behave according to polls, attack their opponents in dirty ways, etc. Basically, political campaigns are not where you expect to see elegant or respectable characteristics in attendance. However, all that said, none of it is as bad as what McCain did when he chose Sarah Palin for VP. <p> In one move, he completely discredited himself as someone who has America's best interests at heart. This was pure politics at it's worst. I don't think Obama is necessarily experienced enough to be president, but I respect him, and if he does become the next president I think he'll do his best. However, Sarah Palin isn't qualified to mow a lawn, much less run the country. McCain chose her as his numbers were floundering, it was a risky, bold roll of the dice, and it worked, at first. People think his reason was because she's a woman, but not really. Women generally don't vote against the right to choose. It's because she's from Alaska. "Energy Independence' is the phrase of the McCain campaign. "Drill Now." <p> Sarah Palin is good for getting elected, but that's not John McCain's only job. After he gets elected, he has to run the country. Anyone who privately thinks Palin is an absurd choice, but publicly supports and defends her, is at the very least a shitty American. At worst, well, I won't go there, but suffice to say we'd be better off if you left. There's more for McCain to do than just get elected. We have at least 4 years ahead of us that are going to need every arrow in the quiver just to get by. Palin is lame, lame, lame. You know it, I know it, the whole fucking world knows it.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 1:28 p.m. CST
DICKBLOOD!! COUGHLINS IS USING WITCHCRAFT ON YOU!!
by BringingSexyBack
Oh Jesus protect Danny from the witchcraft!!!
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by G100 Aug 5th, 2008 03:52:25 AM <p> <p>Think the Economy can't get any worse ?<p> <p>The Banks are currently terrified that all the C.D.S. currently in play and looking shaky will make Fannie Mae and Feddie Mac look like a mom and pop bail out.<p> <p>***** I DEMAND my own Money Show on the back of this predictive post !!!<p> <p>I shall, of course, shave my head and find an appropriately Buxom assistant. For this is the LAW among "Bald guy and the hot chick" Financial Advice Shows.
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Seriously... WTF! Are they rebroadcasting this at a time when people that still have jobs are going to be able to see it? What's a technological ass-backwards, TIVO-less dipshit like me supposed to do in order to watch this thing?
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STEPHEN FUCKING HAWKING CAN USE ONE. Go ahead and tell me about McCain's inability some more. Please. I beg you.<br><br>As for Palin's "Bridge to Nowhere" stuff, she has OPENLY ADMITTED that she was only against it after it had died a slow death in Washington. Then she went and started saying "oh, well we don't need your help on that." Or, as she likes to put it "thanks, but no thanks." Fuck that phrase. She used it, she admitted that it wasn't true, then she went right back to using it. That is to say, she lied, she admitted the lie, then she went back to telling the lie. I could give a rat's ass about ANYTHING else this woman has going for her, that is NOT the behavior I want of the President or Vice President.<br><br>And another thing: what I want in a President is a person who isn't going to make "jokes" like "bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran." That isn't funny.<br><br>And ANOTHER thing. Palin said that the only - THE ONLY - flag in her office is the flag of Israel. WHAT?! What about an Alaskan state flag?? WHAT ABOUT A FLAG OF THE COUNTRY YOU FUCKING LIVE IN?
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The yare there. Are you looking in Mori's interview with Spike Lee post? That's the one.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 1:34 p.m. CST
WELL COUGHLINS, OBVIOUSLY MY WISH DIDN'T COME TRUE
by BringingSexyBack
cuz here you are talkbacking instead of working the lunch service. <p> You must be under one of Pastor Muthee's protection spells.
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Oh so now you left out the part about me saying "ALL REPUBLICANS SHOULD DIE." Probably because....I DIDN'T FUCKING SAY IT!! I would never apologize to a worthless piece of shit like yourself. You must be a serious masochist of some kind....because you love coming back for the punishment. Here's another bit of disrespect Coughlin -- FUCK OFF!!
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It's great that you were able to write 3.25 paragraphs. However, your main point, to thrash Palin as VP was never really explained. Therefore you could write 8 paragraphs, but all I see is blah blah blah. Also I picked you, but to be truthful, 99% of the TBers are guilty of that.
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deep breath, let it go.
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John Stewart raked him over the coals this week for those comments. But you probably weren't watching becasue you think Stewart is a pinko commie liberal fascist or some bullshit.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 1:36 p.m. CST
ONLY FLAG IN SARAH PALIN'S OFFICE IS ISRAELI FLAG?
by BringingSexyBack
Where did you read that? WTF
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Hilarious.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 1:38 p.m. CST
thanks sam....I'm breathing....I'm breathing....
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
....and after all this communication with Coughlin-- I gotta go take a nasty shit. I'll be back later.
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we are all REALLY FUCKED if McCain get's elected.
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it's just my opinion. One that's widely shared, but still my own. All I really claim is that I think McCain betrayed us when he chose Sarah Palin, if you require proof, I could maybe go door to door in my neighborhood collecting signatures.
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Anyone who agrees with Palin on denying rape/incest victims access to an abortion should drop fucking dead. How much more clear do I have to be? You're gonna keep saying I'm denying it.....I'm not. I think it is a lovely point-- and I stand by it with a smile!!
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HOW BOUT THAT Coughlin
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Not according to the polls. That's my proof. Before Palin, McCain was getting trounced by double digits in the polls. After Palin, he's been pretty much even with Obama. Palin isn't nearly as disapointing to the country as you claim.
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For surely that is witchcraft most foul ?
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And Bill Clinton didn't like email because he knew his political enemies would eventually try to use all his emails against him. He said this exact thing in an interview recently. John McCain doesn't use it because he is an incompetent old fool. There is a little bit of a difference.
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Reading your post from 11:06:10 AM, I swear it sounds like your just a slight nudge or push away from voting for Obama/Biden. When you look at your comments on the candidates, it would certainly appear that the Democratic ticket is one that you feel more strongly about.<P>As for your view on Palin...<P> ...YIKES! ;^)
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Sept. 26, 2008, 1:49 p.m. CST
The one thing I really want to know about tonight's debate
by Kentucky Colonel
Will there be titty?
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Teddy Roosevelt knew how to use a phone, FRD knew about the clock radio, Nixon could operate a color television. The personal computer is almost 30, email and web browsers are know at least 15 years old.....McCAIN IS OUTTA TOUCH on so many levels. Look, idiot, I've got to BBQ some shrimp for my mother, so you don't have to bring up all the things he's good at. I won't be there to read it.<br><br>I'm gride9000 and I approve this message...
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http://tinyurl.com/4stpyz <br><br> It's not REALLY true, I've seen photos with a US Flag. But it was fun to say, and, well, she's quoted as saying as much. Odd that she would say that at all.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 1:51 p.m. CST
ummmm surely Coughlin is fucking with me....
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
....and now I am the fool for falling for it every time. <p> I didn't just admit wishing death on you. I have never done that. I just admitted wishing death on Palin and opponents of abortion, which I have never denied. <p> But I'm done being played. Clearly no one on the planet can be as ignorant as you are pretending to be. Its just not possible. <p>
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I knew McCain couldn't lift his arms above his head. But now you're trying to tell us that he can't type or email because of his war injuries?! Can he still write?!<P>John McCain - He can't lift his arms but he can bend over for the religious right.
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You lucky fuck.
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Now, my hat is firmly in the Obama camp, and nuthin' you say will change that. <p> But Fuck Joe Biden. He was Reagan's democratic point man for his "War On Drugs" that he inherited from Nixon. Got any particular piece of anti-drug legislation, say, mandaroty minimum sentances or all that shit? Look for Biden's signature at the bottom. <p> Fuck Biden. But fuck the caribou Barbie even moreso. She scare the jizz out of me! <p> What we really need, but will never get thanks to both the Democrats and Republicans is A VIABLE THIRD PARTY. Too bad that will never happen.
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What the fuck does not lifting your arms above your head have to do with typing? <p> Fuck me. That is funny shit. <P> Seriously....can he wipe his own ass?
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Holy fucking shit! She does have an Israeli flag in her office! Do you realize what this means? She is a CHRISTIAN ZIONIST and a NEOCON!
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Just had to reiterate that one. For people like me...social liberals, finantial conservatives. <p> But we know that will never happen. <p> AND FUCK YOU RALPH NADER! There, I said it. AGAIN.
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I covered that. What I say again, is that this is my opinion. Ok? Not going to get into it with you. You disagree with me that McCain's choice for VP was tantamount to a betrayal of the Republican party and America. I get it. Message received. You disagree with my opinion. Fair enough.
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You used the word HAIR to describe that greasy comb over sitting on top of his rotten head. That shit should never be called hair. That is an insult to hair. It looks like the pubic hair of Rev. Kane from Poltergeist 2.
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Zionism:<br><br>Can't talk about the holocaust unless it's the Zionist point of view.<br><br>Can't even think about looking at the Israeli-Palestinian conflict from the Palestinian point of view.<br><br>Ancient maps showing that Palestine actually DOES and DID exist are not to be believed. It was never a real country anyways.<br><br>Denounce Zionism, you're an Anti-Semite.<br><br>Anti-Semitism is the new Communist.<br><br>Israel (as led by Zionists) will start wars that they expect the U.S. to finish. In other words, OUR sons and daughters will die in a war with Iran if Israel starts one.<br><br>Jews were wiped out in the holocaust. But the Zionists are wiping out the Palestinians systematically without remorse.<br><br>Palin is all about backing Israel.<br><br>So is McCain.<br><br>So is Obama :( <br><br>So is our entire Government, for the most part :( :( :(
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Just saying that when you post that your opinion is, "One that's widely shared" and I completely prove you wrong with proven numbers it must not be that "widely shared". That is all. You're allowed to have your own opinion all you want. Good day sir.
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Cause I know he can hold onto his token Starbucks cups like a muthafucka.<P>Blackberry...didn't he invent that? Or was someone speaking out of line?
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to send an email, you're doing it wrong. Unless, i guess, you're lying on the floor while trying to reach the computer on your desk. No, that's still doing it wrong. By the way, McCain not only uses a Blackberry, he invented the Blackberry! It's true! It's true!
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I at least believe Obama would take a diplomatic approach on Iran and work sucessfully on a two-state solution in the middle east. McCain doesn't have a prayer of doing these things.
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Here is what one responder to the SUN article had to say:"Photographs of her office show that this Israeli "flag" to which Palin refers is a pathetic 5-inch paper flag stuck in the jamb of one of the windows. Moreover, there are two other (full-size, cloth) flags in the office, of Alaska and the U.S." I'm not to impressed with Palin's experience or expertise in anything, but this is a pointless red herring issue (for all we know Obama has the same little piece of paer lying around in his office).
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You know, there are some people in this country who are a little worried that the only buttons McCain will push, if President, are the big red ones that make 'splosions.
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And neither is McCain. It's ridiculous that McCain and Bush with Lipstick even have enough support to continue their campaign... but then again there are a lot of rednecks, racists, big businessmen, and uneducated people in America to give them a sturdy foundation.
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And neither is McCain. It's ridiculous that McCain and Bush with Lipstick even have enough support to continue their campaign... but then again there are a lot of rednecks, racists, big businessmen, and uneducated people in America to give them a sturdy foundation.
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"Crazy Arms" by Ray Price <p> "With Arms Wide Open" by Creed <p> "Arms of a Fool" by Meg Tillis <p> "Up In Arms" by Foo Fighters <p> "Empty Arms" by Church of the Fonz <p> "Open Arms" by Journey <p> "Arms of Jesus" by Clay Crosse <p> "My Arms, Your Hearse" by Opeth <p> "Lovin' Arms" by Elvis <p> "In These Arms" by Bon Jovi <p> "These Arms of Mine" by Otis Redding <p> "The Arms of the Night" by Jackson Browne <p> "Trying To Throw Your Arms Around the World" by U2 <P>
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“In the end, McCain blinked and Obama did not. The 'steady hand in a storm' argument looks now to more favor Obama, not McCain. My guess is that plasma units are rushing to the McCain campaign as we speak to replace the blood flowing there from the fights among the staff.” <P> – Craig Shirley, a Republican consultant and former McCain adviser
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Put up the link with the pics of McCain using his Blackberry please......
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Zoe, do you honestly believe that a small spike in national poll numbers constitutes a radical shift in the voting potential of the Republican electorate? Again, I can go door to door in my neighborhood collecting signatures if you like. And, just in case you missed the irony intended there, think hard... <p> For you to have "completely proved me wrong", I myself would have to be convinced, since, even if I were the last Republican in America to feel this way, there would still be one who sees McCain's choice as a betrayal. Don't just read the polls, dear, and don't rely on Fox for all your news. It's intellectually lazy. Go talk to people. Go talk to educated Republicans, people who remember what it meant to have the respect of the entire world, Reagan Republicans, and then ask yourself why the Republican party is so easily the butt of so many jokes today. Sarah Palin's nomination was only made possible because our reputation has already been brought so low.
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Hhhhmmmm.....
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Period.
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If the "Zionists" are wiping out the Palestinains without remorse why is their population growing?
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On a serious note, I think the point people are trying to make with the internet thing is the the "he's old" argument. But more to the point, I think people are trying to say that he's out of touch with the times if he doesn't know how to email people. I'm not sure if that kind of argument belongs in the campaign, but McCain has been so far out there in his lies and rhetoric, that I think the rulebook is out the window at this point.
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No one is really using that anymore. Not after the RNC. He was a community organizer when he was in his early 20's. Not exactly a home-run for the Republicans.
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Nobody's going to be fixing anything. When are people going to realize that this world is going to come to a screeching halt. And then........nothing. Our future historians will call this a "Period of Much Needed Sleep for the World".
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You going door to door is not needed. I'm basing my opinion on fact. That fact being McCain was down double digits before Palin. After Palin, he's pretty much even. That's based on reliable polls (Gallup, Rasmussen, CBS, etc.) Elections are meant to be won by canidates. Therefore they must pick a VP which will help the overall ticket. Palin doesn't seem to be that bad of a choice if the left can't stop talking about her and she isn't even the one running for President. You might not like her, but the polls say the generall public does.
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"It was proven."=== no it wasn't ===" The memos were identical in typeface and _kerning_ to the default settings of Microsoft Word." === yes, but IBM Selectrics existed from that time period that used the exact same fonts and settings ===="There's no frickin' way those memos weren't fake." ==== I agree.
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SUCKS. Must be tired.
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You fuckers are smoking crack rocks daily. <p>Quick, someone say B. HUSSEIN Obama, it's scathingly hilarious.
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We're just calling him on it. He said he was going to suspend his campaign until this mess was fixed in Washington. If there was no agreement by today, well, he wasn't going to debate. Guess what?<br><br>The mess hasn't been fixed.<br><br>And now he's feeling the heat from the mistake he made. So he's going back on what he said. His campaign has been reinstated and it's business as usual. In other words...<br><br>It was all a political ploy in the first place, and it just didn't work for him!
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Whatever.
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His Global Poverty Initiative makes him a kind of citizen-of-the-world socialist.<br><br> Coughlin: "the country has not elected a Northern Liberal Democrat since FDR. I'm telling you, Obama's biggesgt supporters are also the most unreliable voters."<br><br> This may be true, but history points to a likely Obama victory. Most of the historical trends are in his favor. I'm not saying it's a lock, only that there are lots of things working for Obama. Incumbent parties tend to lose in these kinds of circumstances, and Obama may be a north-eastern liberal but you can't honesty say he comes off, viewed objectively, anything like John Kerry, who basically war a big flashing neon sign that said "North-Eastern Liberal Ive League Elitist" over his head through the whole campaign. Obama is not gaffeless, but has he been snapped windsurfing? Or saying, "Can I get me a hunting license here"?<br><br>It may come down to the "get out the vote" drive (and the votes of dead people, and we all know zombies prefer Democrats 3-1), much of which won't be known for sure, except in retrospect.
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I didn't think he was down by that much, more like 4-8 points depending on what poll you looked at.<p> Yes, he got a bump from Palin and pulled about even. That is true. The question is whether that gain can be sustained, and it looks as if the longer the public sees Palin in unscripted circumstances the less confidence they have in her. That's the whole point you've been trying to ignore - how are the numbers trending now?
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And neither should you. <p> She's been in state politics less than two years. Before that she was mayor of a town with a population smaller than the number of people that attended Obama's outdoor speech in Denver. She's a creationist. She's 42 years old. She was issued her first passport in 2007. <p> I'm not going to engage in speculation, or personal issues, or sex scandals, or any of that playing dirty crap. Everything I just mentioned is accurate, factual and true. If you think that the results of a massively funded and controlled PR campaign over the last few weeks trump these issues as an argument for her leading the free world for the next four years, you're either crazy, stupid, or just plain brainwashed. You don't seem stupid, nor crazy, so I'm forced to believe that you're a dedicated parrot. Open your eyes, dammit. The woman is a fucking joke. Tell me honestly that you would be proud to have her in the White House, leading this nation, and representing you to the rest of the world. She's never even heard of the Bush Doctrine, for Christ's sake. Tell me you believe in her. Tell me that, and I won't bother you anymore, Zoefan. You'll just be another dead homey to me.
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http://tinyurl.com/49hd7n
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"yes, but IBM Selectrics existed from that time period that used the exact same fonts and settings"<br><br>Incorrect. To quote LaShawn Barber on Rathergate: "Like Patterico, Harrell used the power of the web to gather information and answer questions. '[W]hile the typographic evidence of forgery was pretty good, there was one hole I wanted to fill.' It seemed that the IBM Selectric Composer, an expensive typewriter from the 1970s, might have been able to produce the memos. While that possibility had been dismissed, Harrell continued to investigate. The expert he tracked down, a Composer owner, confirmed it could not have produced the documents. 'I wanted to rule it out conclusively,' Harrell said."<br><br> More from the Wizbang blog:<br><br> http://tinyurl.com/4tt245<br><br> Although, the idea that a National Guard office would be using IBM Selectric Composers for dashing off memos is silly. Plus, the idea that, coincidentally, a 1970s typographic composition system would produce the identical result to Microsoft Word . . . it stretches credulity.
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But he isn't.
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Duty as Senator is more important than a debate on foreign affairs during what is seen as a critical emergency in Washington. McCain is taking care of business, I say good for him. Obama comes out and says "Uhhh, well, uhhhh I'll be there if ya need me" Do you really want this man for President?? The liberal idea of easy loans for less than good credit and "housing for all" got us where we are here today. Not everybody can buy a home right away, and no one should ever spend beyond their means. Liberalism does not work people, it never does, it never will. Fawst, it's much more complicated than that over there, and McCain has the experience to better deal with it, Obama does not. Palin is exactly what Washington needs, especially now. She has proven she keeps a clean house in dealing with financial matters of the Alaskan oil business. Joe Biden wants you to be Patriotic by paying more taxes, and fatten the government even more than is already is. Look at what you already pay in taxes people, who benefits?? Is your life easier?? Has more taxes solved anything?? Be very thankful for the Bush tax cuts, the economy might could have easily been much worse during this financial crisis. It's a very dangerous world today, we had better have a man in charge of our military that has the military experience to deal with those matters.
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after he dropped it. What I'm saying is, he stepped in his own shit. Is that too gross? Or just stupid? Either way you can go to hell.<p>Seriously, there was a time when I looked forward to this campaign, thinking it would be different. And I though I didn't think the Republicans deserved another four years, aside from the principle I figured McCain would be all right if elected. It was a win-win situation in a sense. <p>BUT ... then came Palin, lipstick, etc, etc, "suspending" the campaign to go to DC and help derail a fragile collaboration in Congress ... Now the stakes are high. I don't trust that old geezer anymore. Obama may be a question mark, but there is NO question McCain isn't the man for the job.
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...that guy who sells the sham-wow (made in Germany) for VP.
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it's both! Ha! That's what happens when you paint yourself into a corner! When you say soething like "I'm suspending the campaign until the economy is worked out" You look like a pussy who is using the economy as an excuse to not have a debate which you will certainly lose. Then, if you change your mind and decide to debate (when the economy didn't get fixed) because you now know that you looked like a pussy, you look like a guy that can't stick to his guns for two lousy days. Even though the suspension of his campaign meant that his surrogates still were on the news programs badbouthing Obama, his ads still ran, and he didn't make it to DC until after noon on the day after he said he was going to drop everthing and head down there right away. So, apparently suspension to McCain means he lies to Letterman to get off of his show so he can do an interview with Katie Couric. Whttaguy.
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"Duty as Senator is more important than a debate on foreign affairs during what is seen as a critical emergency in Washington. " Bullshit. Not at this point. Maybe if he was a central or even AT ALL DIRECTLY INVOLVED with the negotiations, but the fact that they've been figuring the shit out for a week without demonstrates quite clearly his presence is superfluous at best and possibly distracting. <p>At this point in the election it's not mere politicking. One of these fuckers is going to PRESIDENT very, very soon and that is far more important than keeping up appearances in DC. (Not to mention the debate is 90 minutes. I'm sure even that old codger can spare 4 or 5 hours.)
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Sept. 26, 2008, 2:43 p.m. CST
Anybody see the video of Biden telling the wheelchair...
by Banzai Rootskibango
...guy to stand up? That was hilarious. You can't write shit like that.
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Its gonna be a slaughter tonight!! A slaaaaaaaaaaughter!!
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That was pretty funny. <p> "Stand up sir!" Biden sounded all enthused and then the crowd clears a little and you see his eyes widen, "Oh man....I'm a knuckle head, of course you can't stand up," or however you said it. <p> It was a funny moment but Biden came off like an ordinary nice guy with his reaction. It was very human. He didn't respond with the emotional timing of a toaster like McCain.
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McCain offered Obama at least 10 opportunities to debate him in town hall meetings, even offered Obama a ride to each one. Your Marxist Hack candidate Obama turned him down. John McCain is a Senator first, and this business it too important to not be involved. Debates can happen any time, in the next week or two, this business in Washington had to be handled now, so we're told. Why don't you ask your candidate why he's dodged McCain's offers if these debates are so damned important?
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Is a complete idiot. Oh hell yea, I want this guy for VP. NOT!!
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I don't think there will be a teleprompter at the debates.
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"Reading your post from 11:06:10 AM, I swear it sounds like your just a slight nudge or push away from voting for Obama/Biden. When you look at your comments on the candidates, it would certainly appear that the Democratic ticket is one that you feel more strongly about."<br><br> It'd take more than a nudge, but I'm just not down with all the Obama-hating. Nor am I prone to suspect the worse of him. Nor do I think the experience thing is a negative for him. And so on. I like how he's run his campaign. In many ways, I think he's been better than McCain. Plenty of stuff I don't like, but I'm really not out to evangelize for McCain. Or unfairly attack Obama/Biden, and from a strictly Wonkish point of view, I do think Biden was a good choice and Obama is running a strong campaign and Biden may be gaffe-prone, but at least there his own gaffes. I think some of Palin's more recent troubles have been due to having been given too short a leash by the McCain campaign. While the point that Obama hasn't exactly reached out across the aisle in a spirit of unity is not without merit, Biden has, at least, noted that he didn't like the Obama commercial that "made fun" of McCain's age and said he thought Hillary would be a good VP pick, and I don't consider those gaffes, I consider them non-partisan comments that show a humility and respect for the other side that is often missing from politics on both sides of the aisle.<br><br> Would I like to hang out with Obama/Biden? You bet. I'd pick McCain over Obama for the presidency, but only because I think McCain would be marginally better. Maybe.<br><br> I think the Republican hate for Obama should be reserved for the folks on that side of the aisle that deserve it: Dick Durbin and John Murtha being at the top of that list. <br><br> "As for your view on Palin... ...YIKES! ;^) " <br><br> What can I say? I like her, and almost all the trash I've seen about her tends to be just that: trash. And most of the tone of the attacks on Palin have a level of derangement that makes me prone to discredit them out of the box. <br><br> But is it the end of the world if Obama gets elected? No. I'm not in that camp, either. <br><br>I'm not voting for him, and I can pretty much guarantee that my state (Tennessee) will go McCain, because it's a very red state and remains so in the polls. We're the only state in the union that sent a freshmen Republican to the senate in 2006.<br><br>And there is no ideal party in politics, at least none that actually get votes. I was a big fan of the Contract with America and, based on the Republican sweep of the house and the senate, I can assume I wasn't alone. But then the Republicans spent so much time and energy going after Clinton on a 20 year old land deal, instead of advancing a conservative agenda, I was left to include there must be something in the water in Washington that makes them all go a little bonkers.<br><br>But enough about me. How's your day been?
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is that it implies you do want Sarah Palin for VP.
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I would love to stick around for more fun with you libbies but I gotta go.
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"foreign policy" is still on? the should have postponed it, and replace it with the one on economy. But I bet they both would have whined about "not being prepared" for it.
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Seriously, I totally agree with your take on Obama and McCain, almost word for word, but that just makes your opinion of Palin that much more incomprehensible.
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...he has nothing whatsoever to do with the bailout negotiations. He is not on the committee and has no pull whatsoever. He was there for a photo op. By all accounts he barely said a word during the negotiations and did nothing but slow down the process by bringing election politics into the mix. So keep bragging about how McCain got involved to do the noble thing and help out. He didn't do shit but try to stall the debate because he realizes he's going to be slaughtered over the economy. He expected a much different reaction with all this....what he got was a middle finger from pretty much all sides.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 3 p.m. CST
and I know tonight's topic is "Foreign Policy,"
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
But I think McCain's camp was thinking they could push Foreign to next week and delay the inevitable debate on the economy.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 3 p.m. CST
U R an idiot if you vote for Johnny Jet Wrecker and Caribou Barb
by uberfreak
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Sept. 26, 2008, 3 p.m. CST
U R an idiot if you vote for Johnny Jet Wrecker and Caribou Barb
by uberfreak
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Of the 4 that are running (Obama - Biden vs McCain-Palin) I like Palin the most. This is based on the fact my values and politics most match hers (no candidate perfectly matches any person's though). However, if the question is whether or not I feel comfortable with Palin as President, I'd say if you're speaking about 9-26-2008, then the answer is hell no. If you're talking about 2 or 4 years down the road, I feel comfortable saying yes. Palin has as much experience as Bill Clinton did (and I didn't vote for him either). However, she's not running for President, McCain is. And I'm not voting for McCain. P.S. there is NO such article as the Bush Doctrine.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 3:01 p.m. CST
ZIONISTS ARE THE FASCIST ENEMIES OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE
by BringingSexyBack
Jewish terrorists tried to murder left-wing professor <p> By Jonathan Lis, Haaretz Correspondent <p> Tags: Israel News <p> Israel Prize winner Zeev Sternhell was lightly injured Wednesday when a pipe bomb exploded outside his home in Jerusalem, in what police suspect could be a new campaign by right-wing extremists to target prominent left-wingers. <p> Public Security Minister Avi Dichter called the incident "a nationalist terror attack apparently perpetrated by Jews" and said the police would not rest until "those terrorists" were behind bars. <p> "We should see the explosive as aimed at killing," Dichter said, adding that the attack "takes us back to the days of [Prime Minister Yitzhak] Rabin's assassination." <p> Professor Sternhell walked out of his home in a quiet Jerusalem neighborhood shortly after midnight to shut a courtyard gate when the bomb went off, lightly wounding him in one leg, Jerusalem police spokesman Shmuel Ben-Ruby said. <p> Outside Sternhell's home and in nearby streets Wednesday, the police found fliers offering NIS 1.1 million to anyone who killed members of left-wing human rights movement Peace Now. This led to the suspicion that Jewish terrorists were behind the pipe-bomb attack, due to Sternhell's harsh criticism of West Bank settlers and their harassment of Palestinians. <p> The police stressed that the bomb was not meant to intimidate but was a murder attempt. <p> After the attack on the professor, the police have beefed up security around the home of Peace Now head Yariv Oppenheimer. <p> "If this was not an act committed by a deranged person but by someone who represents a political view, then it is the beginning of the disintegration of democracy," Sternhell said Wednesday from his hospital bed in the capital's Shaare Tzedek Medical Center. <p> He said that "the incident illustrates the fragility of Israeli democracy, and the urgent need to defend it." <p> "On the personal level, if the intent was to terrorize, it has to be very clear that I am not easily intimidated," he said. "But the perpetrators tried to hurt not only me, but each and every one of my family members who could have opened the door, and for that there is no absolution and no forgiveness." <p> Sternhell, an internationally renowned expert on the history of fascism, was awarded the country's highest honor, the Israel Prize, earlier this year. The award drew fire from West Bank settlers and their supporters, who unsuccessfully petitioned Israel's Supreme Court to block it.
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And I call on all my Judeo brothers and sisters to reject the criminal policies of the Zionists. Only a movement built on diplomacy, not terror and violence, can bring peace to Israel. Shalom.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 3:05 p.m. CST
DANNY, I THINK COUGHLINS HAS A SERIOUS HARD-ON FOR YOU
by BringingSexyBack
Watch your ass.
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Sarah Palin supported legislation when she was mayor to have women that were raped pay for their rape kits. I think that's all that really needs to be said about her.
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This financial crash is the final nail in the coffin of the right wing conservative Republican idiot fuck wads. Deregulation doesn't work. IT DOESN'T FUCKING WORK!!! We end of losing far more money than we made from low taxes and less "government interference". I want to tell the right wingers out there to shut the fuck up. Right now about 100 right wing House Republicans are holding up the bailout, and if it doesn't go through we will have a Second Great Depression. Vote for Obama if you are not an idiot.
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"Outside Sternhell's home and in nearby streets Wednesday, the police found fliers offering NIS 1.1 million to anyone who killed members of left-wing human rights movement Peace Now. This led to the suspicion that Jewish terrorists were behind the pipe-bomb attack, due to Sternhell's harsh criticism of West Bank settlers and their harassment of Palestinians."
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Actually he did extremely well given the circumstances and none of those cunts were going to vote for Obama anyway.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 3:11 p.m. CST
Coughlin...I totally agree Hillary beat Barack's ass....
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
But that's because Hillary is the bomb. <P> Now fuck off.
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And it's not hate. It's fear. Fear that 72 year-old McCain will drop dead ten seconds into his presidency and leave the country in the hands of this moron.
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Palin charged rape victims for rape kits, paving the way for rapists to continue raping. <p> That's why Alaska has the highest incidence of rape per capita in our nation. <p> Sarah Palin: Rape Advocate.
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http://tinyurl.com/zd2ex
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Less than certain? Gotcha politics? Give me a break. All Couric did was ask her to expand upon her claims about her foreign policy experience due to her state's proximity to Russia and she couldn't even get out a sentence explaining what she meant. She froze like moose in headlights and had to have Couric finish her sentence for her. God awful.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 3:16 p.m. CST
Palin should step down, conservative commentator says
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
Prominent conservative columnist Kathleen Parker, an early supporter of Republican VP candidate Sarah Palin, said Friday recent interviews have shown the Alaska governor is "out of her league" and should leave the GOP presidential ticket for the good of the party. <p> The criticism in Parker's Friday column is the latest in a recent string of negative assessments toward the McCain-Palin candidacy from prominent conservatives.<p> It was fun while it lasted," Parker writes. "Palin’s recent interviews with Charles Gibson, Sean Hannity, and now Katie Couric have all revealed an attractive, earnest, confident candidate. Who is clearly out of her league."<p> Palin's interview with Couric drew criticism when the Alaska governor was unable to provide an example of when John McCain had pushed for more regulation of Wall Street during his Senate career. Palin also took heat for defending her foreign policy credentials by suggesting Russian leaders enter Alaska airspace when they come to America. Palin was also criticized last week for appearing not to know what the Bush Doctrine is during an interview with Charlie Gibson.<p> “If BS were currency, Palin could bail out Wall Street herself," Parker also writes. "If Palin were a man, we’d all be guffawing, just as we do every time Joe Biden tickles the back of his throat with his toes. But because she’s a woman — and the first ever on a Republican presidential ticket — we are reluctant to say what is painfully true."<p> Parker, who praised McCain's "keen judgment" for picking Palin earlier this month and wrote the Alaska governor is a "perfect storm of God, Mom and apple pie," now says Palin should step down from the ticket.<p> “Only Palin can save McCain, her party, and the country she loves," Parker writes. She can bow out for personal reasons, perhaps because she wants to spend more time with her newborn. No one would criticize a mother who puts her family first. Do it for your country."<p> Parker's comments follow those by prominent conservatives David Brooks, George Will, and David Frum who have all publicly questioned Palin's readiness to be vice president.<p> "Sarah Palin has many virtues," Brooks wrote in a recent column. "If you wanted someone to destroy a corrupt establishment, she'd be your woman. But the constructive act of governance is another matter. She has not been engaged in national issues, does not have a repertoire of historic patterns and, like President Bush, she seems to compensate for her lack of experience with brashness and excessive decisiveness."
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When Sarah talked about Putin rearing his head.....HAHAHA. I'm sure he loved that.
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What the fuck does this mean? <p>"Obama, a guy who can't be bothered to participate in the most important debate since he's been in the Senate."
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Don't you have to open up your chain of Burger Kings?
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Save your potion for someone else!!!
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Sarah Palin was a totally political move, which is now backfiring. The "suspension" of his campaign is another clusterfuck and now, since he couldn't bluff Obama out of debating tonight, he's backtracking on his stance not to debate tonight. He looks sad, weak and desperate. He's going down.
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1. McCain did not want to be there to discuss the issues<br><br> 2. McCain refused to reach across the aisle in the bailout, while he did.
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....and I shall repeat it, if you don't mind. <p> "....and now, since he couldn't bluff Obama out of debating tonight, he's backtracking on his stance not to debate tonight. He looks sad, weak and desperate. He's going down."
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Um...without Zionism, there are no Israelis, just Jews (and other non Arabs) living in Palestine Weren't you supposedly in favor of a two state solution? Without Zionism there is only one state. Anyway, you seem to identify the "Zionists" with the exteme right wing (who supposedly were behind the Sternhell attack). You obviously have forgotten all the discussions about the many different kinds of Zionists (including the leftist socialist variety) that we had back when you were Brokeback Cowboy.
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...and he's scared fucking shitless of what might come out of Sarah Palin's mouth next week.
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I'm pointing out the inner strife in your own party. A large portion of Conservative writers have turned on Palin and feel she should step down. That is a big fucking deal....it would be easy for me to put up quotes of liberals slamming Palin. Why the fuck would I do that? I'm proving the point that your party is in rubble....its one big sloppy mess like your wife's filthy pussy after a gangbang with the local Elk's Club.
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Do you ever talk about anything other than Israeli-related topics? How about witchcraft? Any interest in witchery?
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and I'll get back to ya!!!
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Sept. 26, 2008, 3:33 p.m. CST
here you go Coughlin -- now fuck off and swallow...
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
Together with seven other senators -- Joe Biden (D-Del.), Jeff Bingaman (D-N.M.), Norm Coleman (R-Minn.), Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), Tom Harkin (D-Iowa), Dick Lugar (R-Ind.), and Gordon Smith (R-Ore.) -- Obama introduced legislation last week that would raise fuel-economy standards for cars and light trucks sold in the U.S. by 4 percent, or about one mile per gallon, each year. Its sponsors say the bill would reduce America's oil consumption by 1.3 million barrels daily within a decade; that amounts to 16 percent of the current consumption of America's passenger-vehicle fleet of 8 million barrels per day.
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Your living two weeks behind what is actually happening in the race. The bounce is gone. McCain is slipping. He's panicking (even Mike Huckabee agreed it was a huge mistake to try and duck the debate). And Sarah Palin is being exposed for what she is, a cheap political trick.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 3:35 p.m. CST
House Republicans solution to problem is less "government interf
by zooch
Isn't that what caused the problem in the first place? Their solutions to getting out of the hole we are in is KEEP DIGGING.
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Those of you ragging on Reagan in response to my comparison are really discrediting yourself; unless you're still in high-school, and haven't taken history yet. Reagan was able to give more lucid and well-though-out answers to questions from the press than McCain, Obama, or Bush. The only Republican or Democratic candidate that might match Reagan's articulateness was perhaps Clinton.
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Legislation introduced by U.S. Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) that would provide up to a full year of job protection for a family member who is caring for a service member recovering from combat-related injuries today passed the Senate. It had 34 bipartisan co-sponsors.
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"Look at what he's introduced, who he's introduced it with and how he's introduced it, and you'll see he's capable, throughout his time in public life, of bringing people together," said Robert Gibbs, his communications director. <P> One example is Obama's partnership with Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., one of the Senate's most conservative members. <P> The two introduced legislation last year to make it easier to find the identities of recipients of federal funding and financial assistance.
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WEAPONS PROLIFERATION: Obama teamed with U.S. Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., to sponsor a bill last year expanding efforts to locate and destroy weapons of mass destruction.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 3:41 p.m. CST
Coughlin -- respond or start gargling my semen.
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
Either way we're gonna have some fun.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 3:43 p.m. CST
WHEN JOE BIDEN POINTS OUT THE RAPE KIT CHARGE DURING HIS DEBATE
by BringingSexyBack
American women will run for the hills. <p> And he should mention teh witchcraft too - just to twist the knife a little.
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Can't wait to see Coughlins' response.
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"Did Clinton? I mean the governor of Arkansas ain't exactly got the pulse of the world."<br><br>Clinton could see Mississippi from his house!
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Sept. 26, 2008, 3:47 p.m. CST
McCain voted against Biden's legislation....
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
...to put an end to charging women for rape kits back in 1994. He voted against funding it again in 2007. <p> What is it about rape that McCain/Palin find so appealing?
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I'll give you ONE. It's fairly recent, perhaps you've heard of it. GEORGE W. BUSH'S BAILOUT. Democrats (including Obama) support it. Senate Republican's support it. It's McCain and his cronies who are throwing a wrench in the deal.
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I'm not giving you shit. You're a fucking liar and a scumbag. And above all....you're predictable. Shut the fuck up. You got nothing.
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Yes. You are definitely a republican.
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What happened to her (him)? She literally came out of nowhere and was all over the place for years. You couldn't escape her batshit crazy anitcs and the all of a sudden...poof. She disappeared. It's as if she said one bugfuck carzy thing too many and the Fox News said "Okay, stop. That's it, crazy lady, get in the van with the men in the white coats." And they drove her to a cornfield in Nebraska and she's under watch 24 hours a day to make sure she doesn't escape and make the Right look crazier than it already is. I didn't even think about not seeing her until yesterday, but if I think about it it's been at least 6 months since I've heard a peep from her. I am I right? Did she just go away, or is she still in the thick of it and I've just been lucky enough to miss her?
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Trying to duck the debate was stupid. Mike Huckabee was one my least-favorite candidates (other than McCain), but he's dead right about that. Trying to duck the debate, and then caving, was ultra stupid. I suspect we will see it in the polls.
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Do you have a No Gays Allowed sign in your restaurant?
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"Sarah Palin supported legislation when she was mayor to have women that were raped pay for their rape kits."<br><br> She supported legislation? Really? I'd like to see that legislation she supported. Or some documentation of her support of it.<br><br< OBSD, Ann Coulter is right here: http://www.anncoulter.com/
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You said: You're talking about Republican Senators coming to the Democrat side. Give me an example of Obama joining the Republican side.<p> <p>Are you saying that Republicans are Pro Weapons Proliferation? I didn't realize they wanted loose nukes to find their way into the hands of terrorists. Thanks for pointing that out.
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and in the other two debates too of course. And Palin can't help look like a retard in her debate (if it ever happens). There is no way she'll come off good in that...she doesn't have it in her.
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If sexy never left, why do you have to bring it back? Seriously?<bR><br> And not to change the subject, but when are we going to discuss something that actually important? Like TR2N rumors?
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Hateful rhetoric I would expect from someone that supports the individuals that support charging rape victims for rape kits.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 3:53 p.m. CST
IS THAT RIGHT, DANNY - ABOUT MCCAIN VOTING FOR RAPE KIT CHARGE?
by BringingSexyBack
I didn't know that. <p> AICN: Your Election Headquarters.
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...is a total Republican issue. The right were all over that thing.
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http://www.anncoulter.com/ <br><br> There she is!
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After the election! You can come to my Obamarama party!
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Sept. 26, 2008, 3:56 p.m. CST
Yes, McCain voted against Biden's legislation....
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
....to make rape kits free to all rape victims. <p> Here it is. Send it to everyone you know. <p> http://tinyurl.com/4q27j7
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Usually it's to tap someone's shoe.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 3:57 p.m. CST
Coughlin...I'm not gay.....though I have gay friends....
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
And I would HONORED if you would gargle my warm semen.
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Awesome job everyone! AICN is more entertaining as a political site lately than it is for movie news.<p>This TB needs to be bronzed and put up on the mantle. Pure gold.
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Damn. I thought (or hoped) that somebody put two in the back of her head, and nobody bothered to mention it. Oh, well. But lucky me, I haven't seen a sign of her for 6 months! Thanks for ruining a good thing kevinwillis.net! You and your damned internets!!!
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Thank you.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 3:59 p.m. CST
McCain votes against Violence Against Women Act....
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
..TWICE!!! <P>The mother of all legislation dealing with violence against women is the Violence Against Women Act (VAWA), spearheaded by Sen. Joe Biden and after years of lobbying, passed in 1994. VAWA was signed into law by President Bill Clinton, renewed in 2000 and expanded in 2005 (signed by President George W. Bush). <P> VAWA's intent is to improve the national response to domestic violence and sexual assault. VAWA combines a series of federal sanctions and initiatives as well as national, state, and local resources to improve the response to crimes against women. These funds are committed to four specific areas: prosecution, law enforcement, victim service, and courts. <P> Sen. Biden foresaw the need for such legislation to, among many other things, infuse crucial funds into state systems to fight violence against women. In fact, Alaska's Council on Domestic Violence and Sexual Assault relies on monies from this act. The act requires federal fund grantees (states, Indian tribal governments or local governments) to cover the costs associated with forensic medical exams (including rape kits) in order to receive any VAWA funds. In order to receive these funds, therefore, Alaska state legislators in 2000, under Democratic Governor Tony Knowles, instituted the state law banning law enforcement departments from charging rape victims for their rape kits. <P>Curiously, while Alaska receives crucial funds from the VAWA act in order to administer its sexual assault programs, Sen. John McCain voted against VAWA twice.
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That's nice. And creepy.
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Sounds pretty gay to me. But what do I know.
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If McCain wins, I am convinced this will happen.
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And because I speak about gay stuff doesn't make me a homophobe. I speak about man on man ass fucking lovingly.....you were disgusted when I suggested you swallow my semen. You shouldn't be so close minded....feeling the stubble of another man's chin on your balls is a beautiful thing.
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You asked Danny if he was homosexual and then said "I'm sorry about that " if he was. That's called homophobia. But, don't worry, it's in line with the Republican party therefore to be expected.
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But she's wrong on Palin. But then, she's kind of "inside the beltway". Inside the beltway conservatives and the New York Time's pet "conservative" aren't going to like Palin. I wouldn't expect them to.<br><br> What's more, Palin could be a transparently bad pick--I don't think she is, but let's assume the left really wants McCain to have the best VP candidate possible, so their criticism is all from the heart--Parker has to be smoking crack to think that Palin stepping down will do anything but kill McCain's candidacy. Hell, I'm voting Obama if he dumps Palin. I won't sit it out, I'll vote for the Republicans in every other race, but I'll vote for Obama in the presidential column.<br><br> But it would be such a massive fail, clearly played out, and trying to replace the candidate so close to the election--it would be crazy. Political suicide. Any "conservative" writer counseling Palin to step down wants McCain to lose, or is too busy smoking crack to see the political reality that it would kill McCain's chances, slim though they may be.<br><br>The biase of the MSM and the Palin Derangement Syndrome on the left is, while not a reason to vote the ticket, certainly motivating to many folks on the right. It would really be a good idea to piss all of them off?
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Last sentence he wrote here was, "The economy is just fine."
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She disappeared because she made the comment months back that she would vote for Hillary Clinton over John McCain. She's got nothing nice to say about Johnny "Crazy Arms" so she decided to stay quiet lately.
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Have fun tonight!
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...John McCain is 72 not 73. He turned 72 last month.
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"After the election! You can come to my Obamarama party!"<br><br> Will there be TR2N discussion? Cuz that's what I'm on for.
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...oh McCain's rotted cheek didn't look a day over 72. It was far too translucent to be that old.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 4:10 p.m. CST
Coughlins -- I thought you were leaving...HOMOPHOBE
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
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could be. can't wait 4 this
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Sept. 26, 2008, 4:20 p.m. CST
".....a bar of soap in your mouth, little boy..."
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
This is just creepy. Very creepy dude.
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Would you like me to recap on how you repeated a Lie again and again about Palins Teleprompter for her prewritten speech going down and breaking ?
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Sept. 26, 2008, 4:21 p.m. CST
I assure you my offer of blasting semen in your throat....
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
...is genuine. I do not use that in any negative sort of way. It might be negative for you considering the size and weight of my testicles. But seriously-- I have no problem with the gay lifestyle. You are the one that is disgusted by the notion that two people of the same sex could love one another.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 4:23 p.m. CST
I don't think jizz in the mouth is a derogatory thing
by caruso_stalker217
Coughlin seems to be the only one here who has a problem with the baby batter.
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http://www.buymyshitpile.com/node/1904
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Sept. 26, 2008, 4:25 p.m. CST
Coughlin... I will honestly admit my real age....
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
....if you admit whether or not you have ever had a gay experience. Obviously something turned you off to the whole thing....
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" wish how someone that wants to put semen in my mouth can turn it around and somehow say I'M the homophobe." I can't believe you are this dense. HOW CAN DANNY BE A HOMOPHOBE IF HE WANTS TO PUT HIS DICK IN YOUR MOUTH? That's the very OPPOSITE of homophobe.
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You're going around crying about these "GOTCHA" politics being used on Palin and then you admit you didn't even see the Couric interview? Dude shut the fuck up and come back when you can back up your bullshit. Eat a dick.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 4:34 p.m. CST
it really grosses me out when you call me "Little boy..."
by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
And I'm glad you realize homophobia is an evil, nasty thing. Does this mean you have opened up to the prospect of a tidal wave of my semen sliding down your throat?
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...I feel sorta bad. There hasn't been a beating that bad since your ex-wife's clit met my balls for the first time. Talk about swollen....OUCH!!
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FUCK OFF.
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You're right. Everyone should keep quiet about her....she will destroy herself....
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Is this The Bates' TB?<p> you should see her on heavy flow days...let my try and describe it..hmmm<p> Ok, you ever seen a really big deer on the side of the road after being busted to jelly by a semi?<p> That's it
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Sept. 26, 2008, 4:46 p.m. CST
"In the end, who cares if she can see Russia, or if she has a pa
by frozen01
If she weren't running on her own so-called foreign policy experience, I might not. But seriously... she thinks she has foreign policy experience because you can see Russia from an island in Alaska? That's like saying I have foreign policy experience because Wisconsin is right next to Canada. Not only can you SEE Canada from Wisconsin, you can spit on it!
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They reveal alot but hide vital parts.<p> Just saying...
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Coughlin "her teleprompter went down and she didn't have to wait<p> <p>Coughlin - "her teleprompter went down and not only did she not panic, she got even better as she went on!!!"<p> <p>"in contrast to Sarah Palin whose speech was better than mine and no one could tell her teleprompter went down!!!!"<p> <p>"And guess what, her teleprompter went down and she didn't have to wait 5 minutes for it to come back on."<p> <p>You not only believed the bullshit exagerations and Lies you parroted them several times as proof of Palins brilliance.<p> <p>The Teleprompter didn't go down or break and it certainly wasn't off for 5 mins.<p> <p>While we're at it CARE to make yourself look like a clueless fool again by raging furiously because you didn't know what the word "casualty" meant ?<p> <p>Finally, how do you feel now that Palin has been revealed as such a fan of a Lunatic who Hunts Witches ?<p> <p>Do you think this will go down well with Moderates ?<p> <p>Perhaps witch hunting is no different than Moose hunting ? Palin lets the Church Elders flush the Witch out into the open and she takes the Witch out from above with a high powered rifle from the safety of a Helicopter.<p> <p>Good Clean Fun for all the Family ! It scrolled up more than it should have a few times but it was NEVER Broken and it NEVER failed completely or went down for 5 mins and had to be rebooted or repaired. Keep spinning coughlin or as others might have realised by now digging.
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"Kitchen table" economics isn't referring to just families with "small budgets". It's referring to most of middle-class America. The phrase "kitchen table" harkens back to the days when a husband and wife might sit and look at the checkbook together and see what they had to cut out of their budget or cut back on. This was usually done at a kitchen table because that was the largest surface in the home on which you could spread paperwork and was less formal than the dining room table. It's just a phrase, like "trickle-down" (money isn't LITERALLY trickling down). In this case it's come to take on the connotation of having to rearrange one's finances to make ends meet. Something a "large swath" of Americans are having to do right now.
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It was ALWAYS the Economy and in November you can bet it will BE the Economy. Palin is now a liability.
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Then you have to claim Jeremiah Wright and Obama's unsavory terrorist ex-friends. <p> Not that I pin that on Obama. I don't think it's valid criticism and shouldn't be talked about with the election. But you have to judge them both fairly if you pull that out on Palin.
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I agree with you. Neither McCain's POW days or Obama's community organizer days count as foreign policy experience. But Senators (and I'm referring to both Presidential candidates here) do have contact with foreign leaders and do represent America on occasion. Mayors and governors, not so much.
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Hopefully that will be enough to keep my house from being burned if and when Obama loses.
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I can understand being annoyed by it (I had much the same reaction to "straw man argument") but if the shoe fits... It doesn't really get the same point across to say "computer economics" or "desk ecomonics" ya know? But "kitchen table economics" you know exactly what they're talking about. <br> I think the term really works simply because it invokes the feeling of a family that isn't rich but isn't poor, either. If someone does their financial planning at a computer, well then they could be anyone. But a CEO isn't going to be balancing his checkbook at the kitchen table. A poor person isn't going to have finances to budget (yeah, yeah, speaking from experience!) So I think "kitchen table" works.
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And that Hitler was sent to hunt Jews ? and that Katrina was a punishment on New Orleans for their sin ? And that Catholicism was a great Whore ?<p> <p>I say Palins crazy Preacher gets with McCains Crazy Preacher for a good old fashioned Witch hunt!
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Can we convert this unwanted surplus into something useful for the good of the Economy ?
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They all peddle their lies and try to convince the stupid that fairy tales are real.
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Obama/Biden 08!!
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surely you're not implying that black people will riot and burn down communities should Obama lose right?Of course you are, racist cumspaz.<p> How easy that your pedestrian brain would assume the worst of certain groups of people.Should McCain win, I'm gonna sit back and laugh as he further fucks up this country only to say to those naive assholes such as yourself: "I told ya so".Egg on your face, not mine.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 5:21 p.m. CST
Thrillho77...yeah, but Palin is physically in the video...
by FlickaPoo
...while all of those dudes "lay hands" on her or whatever it's called and talk about witches. Obama was a member of Wright's church but he was away a lot, so maybe he heard him say that shit, maybe he didn't. If there was video of Obama on his knees praying on stage while Wright danced around him and said "goddam Amarica" it would have been a game over.
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..the more chances Obama has of winning this election.She is one clueless bitch.That Katie Couric piece will mcCain's fate in the long run.Jeebsus!!
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And want to see something REALLY creepy ? Check out the photos of Brad Hanson and Palins husband.<p> <p>http://tinyurl.com/47tq52<p> <p>Lest we forget the Republicans were praising the Enquirer to the skies when they went after Edwards for his affair.
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...watch the Palin interview clips on a constant loop and laugh until it hurts...we'll laugh...we'll cry...there could be beautiful healing. I know I can't get enough...
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Screw the issues. Whomever candidate's presentation comes off as more presidential will win the debates and probably the White House, although, at this point, I think it's Obama's to lose. They'll be scored on categories of charm, sense of humor, wittiness, composure, and physical appearance. Points will be deducted for whining. Just ask Al Gore...
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Claiming foreign policy experience based on closeness to Canada is just as funny (but not as scary . . . and thats the point) as closeness to Russia.
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...abut Alaska's two borders with hostile countries (Canada and Russia) she looks and sounds just like a character that used to be on Mad TV...the one from the Midwest with the squeaky voice who always talked about being barren and whose fingers seemed to have a life of their own...
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...I have no doubt that Obama will talk good sense, but if he says "umm..." a couple too many times, or if he explains a complex issue from multiple points of view he could appear to lose. All McCain has to do is say "...I was a prisoner of war in Vietnam...America!...Fuck Yeah!...did I mention that I was a prisoner of war?...oh, and bomb Iran and Russia!...Freedom isn't free!...if comes at a heavy fuckin fee!. Prisoner of war. Good night!. I worry.
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...time ago. And I didn't "watch" it...I "flipped past it" accidentally while rushing out the door to have sex with beautiful ladies. A lot. The "fundamentals" of my sex life were strong even then...so NO, I didn't "watch" Mad TV and if I did I certainly didn't enjoy it. For you to suggest otherwise is sexist and cynical, and maybe even a little racist. Oh, and reject and denounce Mat TV.
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The Vancom Lady.
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That I think John McCain is an ok guy, even if I disagree with his politics as of late. In previous elections I had hoped he would win the Repub nomination because at the time he seemed better than the republican and the democrat candidates. But this Sarah Palin chick...its hard to express the revulsion I get when she talks...and the idea that if they got elected and McCain had a stroke or a 37th tumor or something and we ended up with HER as the president of the United States...I think that would be catastrophic. She's two times as batshit crazy, in her own world as GW Bush is, only she doesn't have the 'I'm a fun loving simplton, don't hold it against me' charm that Bush has to counterbalance it. If this crazy bitch ever became president, we'd be the laughing stock of the world, and probably engaged in a military conflict with every country that is run by brown non-christians.
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Just a fun show. <p> Don and Electroclash killed. <p> Better than any debate.
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Call your representatives and let them know that you won't stand for more corporate welfare, paid with money that doesn't exist. Enough!
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I'll just say that the whole Marxist Hack thing marks you as someone I'd rather not spend time discussing the merits of debating/not debating and the when/how/where etc of it. Particularly since I'm not a huge Obama supporter, that "your guy/my guy" cheerleading is damn uninteresting to me. Good luck.
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"And I can see Putin's plane!"
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...of the Palin interview. I'm not familiar with her as a reporter, but she is so desperately trying to arrange her facial features into an expression that makes some sort of sense...she's trying to appear respectful and as though she hasn't just slipped into a parallel universe where people boldly spout gibberish while authoritatively waggling their index fingers to emphasize non existent points...it kills me.
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He is obviously reasonable and intelligent but is high on Palin. It is the weirdest goddamn thing ... I mean, she looks and sounds LOST during these interviews, even the softballiest of softball interviews with Hannity. It's just hard to imagine taking anything else away from them. So much of what she's said contrasts with her record, this posture - which I understand is attractive to many - of a reformer, etc SOUNDS good but I just don't see the action to back it up. <p>And of course the experience issue. I mean, any state - pretty much ANY state - other than Alaska and I could kind of see it. But the concerns of Alaska are so singular and so much simpler than those of most of the country. <p>I just feel like with her specific type of experience - or lack thereof - matched with her strict, strict talking point adherence during the EMBARRASSINGLY few times she's actually been interviewed thus far ... it just adds up to trouble. I mean, some people wonder how people can be critical of her without hearing much from her as yet and it's like - exactly! Keeping her under wraps the way they have is a red flag if I ever saw one.
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Its about the apocolypse anyway...
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Is it really that bad? He's not a very effective debater but it's bizarre think it's some kind of a zinger to say "Obama says ummmm a lot! He's dead meat!" But ... maybe that's the way it is.
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has been refusing the secret service/body guards assigned to her on McCain's behalf. She said "I don't use protection." LOL!!
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...I'm not gay, nor do I have any gay friends. That's the way I like it. I've seen some of them...like, down at the beach...I wasn't impressed.
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So I don't know if this was mentioned because there is no way i'm reading every talkback post...but i'm thinking the debate is 6 p.m. PT/ 9 p.m. ET, not the other way around as Herc posted. Unless we're in The Bizarro World and the west coast is magically ahead of the east coast.
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instead of "Barack Hussein Obama" ... If you're gonna be "funny" do it right.
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was harder to watch then any of the Faces of Death movies combined or anything I've seen on Rotton.com. Jack Cafferty on CNN said it was the most pathetic thing he has ever seen. Watch McCain get super desperate in the coming weeks. Whoring out Cindy to suck off the five heads of the top oil companies. Gas will suddenly drop to $1.13 a gallon. McCain will whore out his daughter to Palistan's leader Asif Ali Zardari , and Bin Laden will be caught and hauled to America. McCain will win then die then Palin is president. She then picks her puppet husband that she cheated to be the VP. Levi Johnston (Palin's whore daughter's boyfriend) will beat his own kid's ass (because he said on his myspace page that was pulled, that he HATES kids)and he'll be sent to jail, then Sarah will abuse her powers and have released.
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...declarative sentences delivered in a psychotically confident tone. John Kerry wasn't a very compelling candidate, but he ran circles around Bush in the debates...but Bush could counter a three paragraph lucid argument by saying something like "...people...people want freedom!...I understand that!" and people cheered. I wash throwing shit at my TV.
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I shall drink every time B Hussein OSAMA does his "terrorist throat-clear" tonight. By the end of the debate, I'll be dead; not from drinking but because he'll have been phlegmatically signaling his Al-Quaida cohorts the whole time in a kind of snot morse code, and a nuclear bomb will be detonated with the final "hhgggggrrrraaaaahhhhhh ".
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As part of the NRA (Never Rescue Anything)she sends out a stimulus package (like Bush did to get us to like him), but Palin will also send a free rifle with it and a years worth of ammo (about 16,000 rounds). Then before her term is up all species will be on the endangered list.
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Don't say I never did anything nice for you, wingnuts. <p> http://tinyurl.com/4ev7gy
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Everytime I read one of my fellow so-called 'conservatives' (what's so conservative about sinking lower than the level of the people you claim to despise, I wonder?) bring up Obama's middle name I want to grab them by the collar and wash their dirty little faces. <p> Ok, I'll put it into very, very simple terms, you jackasses, because you represent my party- The only people impressed by the middle name thing are people who think exactly like you, which is to say, not much and not well, so if you get off arguing with a mirror, or screaming into a paper bag, I'll leave you to it, and the rest of the human race will go on without you. You're not going to convince anyone not to vote for Obama that wouldn't have anyway. The other thing is- it's like wearing a sign that says 'I'm a poor, ignorant redneck and no one with any influence, power, or self-respect should listen to a goddamn thing I say.' Which maybe you are, and I in no way intend to offend poor, ignorant rednecks as a voting bloc. However, If you have pretensions of being educated, or knowing how to tie shoelaces, you're just embarrassing yourself, and me, and the Republican party, and anyone who knows that 'the Middle East' is not a country. <p> Please, for our sakes, shut the fuck up and let us do our jobs, we'll reward you when you don't help us lose this election.
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God bless
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...can't watch this thing stone cold sober...I get too angry...bad for the heart.
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So in tonight's debate which candidate will send his sympathies first? Probably the first one to speak. Maybe neither because they wouldn't want to come across as "FAKE".
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His East Coast Elmer Fudd accent cracks me up!
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for someone not having 5 kids yet, she's about the same size/weight if not thinner now. WTF!
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...with the all black pupil Hellraiser eyes.
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http://steelturman.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/hillary_clinton_boobs_bill_cleavage.jpg
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cmon 14 mil dead is a worthy sacrifice !
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Sept. 26, 2008, 7:40 p.m. CST
Palin is a hot MILF that would make politics interesting
by Gus Van Rant
Show us them tits! ScriptGirl will be yesterday's news.
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Now I want to see her without Bush...get your minds out of the gutter.
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I can hang out with Carlin, Hicks and Russert and get their take on things.
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Kennedy first. This shows how much of a fucking leech he is. If he can attach himself to anything that will make him look good he'll do it.
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Obama seems to be more confident than McCain, who seems to be hesitating a bit in his speech. That said, I support Obama, so I'm biased.
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Because he's been campaigning all week, unlike McCain. Oh SNAP. Good on the moderator to try and get them to talk to each other, as opposed to at each other.
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like he would if he were in a casket.
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McCain is trying to act cool now. Advantage McCain. Obama has to strike back now.
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first. Tag.
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They need to talk to each other. If someones lying about you. You cut them off.
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The half dead fuck started to make a wrong statement and Obama slapped his bald head in the dirt.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 8:23 p.m. CST
Obama - Buy your kids a computer. McCain - What's a computer?
by Orionsangels
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McCain is being an asshole now
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Oh I agree. I was cheering for him, actually. I wasn't complaining or anything. Sorry it didn't come across that way. McCain is coming off poorly in this segment and Obama is smacking him down every chance he can.
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Ooo Obama with a low blow!
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His arms are welded in place when he was in a hole eating spiders.
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when you're that far on the left.<p> Ding!
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and his cronies did on go no-where do-nothing policies, and then take the spending Obama wants to do, like improving infrastructure and other vital American projects, Obama saves the country a truckload of cash. McCain is grasping at straws.
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FINALLY. The money-pit that is Iraq. Go for the throat Obama.
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STOP ASKING THE SAME QUESTION 3 TIMES
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..keep in mind that there are things called "Youtube, and "The Internet".
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He asked the same question in 3 different ways already.
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...fucks me left and right.
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opponent is speaking. Bad debate etiquette- but then again, he is a complete noob.
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Just praise Palin? Wow, interesting considering the Repubs themselves are now starting to turn against her.
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And you're still alive...
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What, four years ago?
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Obama is really dominating this debate.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 8:43 p.m. CST
McCain "wants us to finish the job" with the wars we're involved
by beamish13
Guess it's time to go back to Korea and finally end that cliffhanger we declined to resolve over fifty years ago. Imbecile.
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If we have too.
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over there and do it soon. McCain can twist the facts on Iraq all he wants - Obama has hit all the key points, and McCain is diverting it by attacking Obama for taking too long to visit Iraq. It's crap.
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~70,000 there, and who got us into that shithole- the dems.<p> And shitheads like Kerry attacked US soldiers in Congress, leading to our embarassing exit,in defeat.<p> If we'd had a McCain in office back then, we wouldn't have left until we'd acheived victory. Defeatist dems; always on the wrong side of history.<p> BTW Who here actually thinks BHO would have voted against the authorization to use force in Iraq? Are you kidding me. It passed overwhealmingly in both parties. He's to calculated to go against the tide of public and congressional opinion.
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I'll agree it's a fantastic debate, but I personally think it's far from a tie. I think Obama is really pulling ahead these last 10-15 minutes.
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..water theme in the McCain/Palin camp. She's a barracuda(sic), and he looks like a Great White!!
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is the Sith Lord we've been looking for.
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Obama comes off like a first year medical student questioning the wisdom of an wise, experienced attending.<p> Petulant, coke-snorting dickhole.
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is the Sith Lord we've been looking for.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 8:50 p.m. CST
McCain is being so fake!!! God help us if he becomes President
by Orionsangels
I fear for this country.
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Skinjob, you, idiot, thankfully are a minority of one. Asshole. <p> Btw, just in case I wasn't clear, you're a shitty American, go fuck yourself off to some other country, please.
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I disagree. McCain is not wise on Iraq and Obama nailed it when he said he's acting like the war is a year old, as opposed to 5. He shouldn't be expected to just sit there and take it as McCain distorts truth, and I'm glad he's not.
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and make Obama look like he's against the Troops.
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You can quote me on that, douchebag.<p>
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...surprising.
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..this debate that makes me want to eat a double cheeseburger from McDonalds?
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compared to McCain donations. http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/14/obama-troops-donations/
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USA! USA! USA! We never lose wars!!! USA USA USA! Fuck you. That was cute 6 years ago. You know how many sons and daughters have died over this unjust war! Over 4000.
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You, on the other hand, make the common mistake of all soft-headed lunatics- you think saying something like we should have stayed in VietNam makes you sound tough, when all it really makes you sound like is a completely stupid waste of skin. Also, blaming the whole thing on one party is the worst kind of partisan hackery, You just declared yourself as someone not worth listening to at all. I'm ashamed people like you claim to be conservative.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 8:55 p.m. CST
Anybody else watching this on CNN with the cool little scores on
by nam0krut
I think larry king died and nobody noticed, hes had the same score up there for the past 30 minutes
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I'll take that under 'advisement'
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and walks around like he has concrete in his veins. Good guy, but doesn't look like he can handle the stress for 4 years. And I dont want a crazy bible thumper running things.
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Sept. 26, 2008, 8:58 p.m. CST
McCain is like my Grandfather. He likes to tell long stories
by Orionsangels
He puts me to sleep.
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looks sooooooo nervous... He'll get stepped on by every major (and Minor) leader....