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Update!! Debate Is ON!!
12:50 P.M. ET: John McCain now says he will debate Barack Obama tonight, despite the stall on the bailout negotiations.
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I am – Hercules!!
“Why is AICN covering politics!!” the talkbacker writes. “I just want to read about who plays Lex’s new assistant on ‘Smallville’ and new Johnny Depp pirate movies!!”
Why not mention it? Everybody else is, and there may be very little else on TV tonight.
And for the record, Ain’t It Cool News has been posting posts about the debates since it began, and I can prove it.
Here’s one from October 2000!
Here’s one from October 2004!
And even if John McCain pulls out of Friday’s long-scheduled debate with Barack Obama, one suspects AICN readers might be keen to discuss why we might be getting “Deal or No Deal” and “Ghost Whisperer” repeats tonight.
From the Associated Press:
WASHINGTON (AP) — Prospects were questionable at best that John McCain and Barack Obama would meet Friday for their first presidential debate as progress appeared to dissolve between Congress and the Bush administration on a $700 billion financial industry bailout.
McCain didn't plan to participate in the debate unless there was a consensus. Obama still wants the face-off to go on and was scheduled to travel to the debate site in Oxford, Miss., on Friday.
"I believe that it's very possible that we can get an agreement in time for me to fly to Mississippi," McCain said late Thursday. "I understand how important this debate is and I'm very hopeful. But I also have to put the country first."
In turn, Obama said: "Obviously the biggest priority is making sure that we get this deal done. But I also think it's important to describe to the American people where the next president wants to take the country and how he's going to deal with this crisis."
Are there any Republicans out there who think Obama’s right about wanting to talk about the economic crisis in a public forum? Are there any Democrats out there who think it would be wrong for McCain to let his fellow senators manage the crisis for a few hours while he’s down in Mississippi yakking it up with the other guy who wants to succeed George Walker Bush?
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McCain didn't plan to participate in the debate unless there was a consensus. Obama still wants the face-off to go on and was scheduled to travel to the debate site in Oxford, Miss., on Friday.
"I believe that it's very possible that we can get an agreement in time for me to fly to Mississippi," McCain said late Thursday. "I understand how important this debate is and I'm very hopeful. But I also have to put the country first."
In turn, Obama said: "Obviously the biggest priority is making sure that we get this deal done. But I also think it's important to describe to the American people where the next president wants to take the country and how he's going to deal with this crisis."
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What better time to debate than during a major national crisis? It's not like these two shitbirds need to be in Washington anyway. They haven't been there all year, so why start worrying now? This opportunity could uniquely show who really appears presidential.
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Really, he's not even on the comittee that's handling the crisis, so he really has no reason to be in Washington. Plus, the economy is not his strong suit, nobody is going to take advice from a guy who doesn't know what he's talking about.
Just give Obama 90 minutes by himself. He'll be up 20 in the polls by October.
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I am one of the people who complained about politics and aicn. And I still don't think they should be mixed. However, having a talkback about the debates is OK because it has something to do with TV. As is having stories about Micheal Moore. The guy makes movies. However, having a talkback about the producer of a canceled show's 'opinion' on the vice presidential candidate is not 'cool news' and is unnecessary.
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Buckle up, kids...this talkback's gonna be fun!
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Sen. Barack Obama said he called McCain about 8:30 a.m. Wednesday, "after determining that many of the principles that I had set forth were ones that Sen. McCain adopted as well in terms of how this financial proposal should be structured."
Democratic presidential nominee Obama said Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Oklahoma, came up with the idea of issuing a joint statement agreeing on some "broad principles" that he and McCain shared on resolving differences in the rescue plan.
McCain campaign spokesman Brian Rogers said the Republican senator did not take Obama's call but rather called him back later in the day.
Obama said, "[McCain] called me back at about 2:30 this afternoon after our rally, and I asked him to join me in issuing a joint statement to let this Congress and this administration know where we stand and what we expect from this proposal, because of the past few days, it's been clear that we have come to agree on some broad principles."
Obama added that McCain agreed to the suggestion of issuing a joint statement.
McCain, according Rogers, suggested that the two presidential candidates have a meeting in Washington "to lead a bipartisan effort to solve this problem" and that they both suspend their campaigns and hold off on Friday's presidential debate.
Obama said his intent was focused on issuing a joint statement first.
But shortly after the call ended, Obama said, his rival appeared on television announcing the suspension and the subsequent debate no-show.
"I think the only possible miscommunication that might have been how quickly there was an announcement and someone was on television. I think my assumption was that the joint statement would go out initially,Obama said.
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Sep 26, 2008 12:40:23 AM CDT
If you believe McCains ploy, you are officially an idiot
by industrykiller!
Democrat, Republican I don't care, we are just into basic common sense here. In my admittedly short life this is easily the shadiest thing I've ever seen a politician do during an election. the man has absolutely no expertise and has nothing to offer that his fellow senators can't cover and he damn well knows it. 40 some odd days before the election and this guy wants to postpone debates for n reason that could possibly concern him? What in the blue hell kind of sick parlor trick is this. Seriously does ANYONE believe that this isn't just a fucking red herring? Because if you do I know of a bridge in Brooklyn I can get you an incredible deal on. I used to have a lot of respect for John McCain, but what there was left has flown right out the damn window, he should be ashamed of himself,
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Jackie Chan wouldn't have done these stunts in the 80s! Evil Kenievel is biting his nails! David Blaine... Oh wait, nevermind, David Blaine doesn't do stunts, he's just a douchebag. Holy shit... I see it now... McCain Blaine '08!
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So now McCain actually wants to show up for Senate.
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Please let that happen. Although, if McCain is stupid enough to let that happen, he deserves to be President even less than I thought he does.
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That should have said "If McCain's handlers are stupid enough to let that happen." Didn't mean to imply the dude has anything to do with the actions his overlords dictate he take.
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Here we go again: another talkback dedicated to bickering about politics.
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"Are there any Republicans out there who think Obama’s right about wanting to talk about the economic crisis in a public forum?"
The topic of Friday's debate is foreign policy, not the economy. Congratulations on being a mindless hack who thinks that just because they refer to politics, they KNOW something about it. Try doing a little bit more research... -
Sorry for the multiple posts, this shit just has me really fired up. The whole media-created non issue of the candidates using this as an opportunity to "appear Presidential" is bullshit. If what McCain is doing is trying to appear Presidential, well in my opinion the dude is failing pretty severely. Nothing he has done has made me think "Wow, he looks just like the President does in my imagination."And Obama seems truly interested in doing what anyone who's been paying attention for the last 8 years would do, if they had access to the people he's got the opportunity to be around-- hold the people responsible's fucking feet to the fire and ask why this happened and how we can believe them when they tell us it won't happen again! We gotta remember that the people who are now saying they're going to fix it with a trillion dollar loan to them, are the same imbeciles who got us into this mess in the first place! Do we want a President who placates them or a President who holds them accountable?Shit, maybe this is about acting Presidential after all.
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You gotta be kidding me if you think that economics will not be discussed tomorrow night, whether or not McCain shows.
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Perhaps you should be the one doing a little bit of research.
Jim Lehrer is on the record saying he will likely ask some questions about the economy tomorrow. From today's New York Times:
“I am not restrained from asking questions about the financial crisis,” Mr. Lehrer said in an e-mail message. “Stay tuned!” -
Economics wouldn't be discussed.
Hell, I'd prefer them TO discuss the Economy, as it was entirely destroyed by the Democrat congress. Frannie Mae and Freddie Mac are both government controlled banks that act as the personal atm of some of the democrat elite. Follow the money... -
This isn't some post bashing either candidate, but how can one be a republican one election, and then a democrat four years later? Furthermore, it you're still fucking undecided after months and months of speeches, you are a moron. McCain "delaying" the campaign? Seriously, what the fuck?
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Really? You see this as "Obama never seemed to provide any substantive answer to a question"?
Obama's answers to the top 14 science questions facing America:
http://www.sciencedebate2008.com/www/index.php?id=40
Obama's four-part interview with Bill O'Reilly:
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=C7B69EE8F4A2055E
which led to O'Reilly posting this on his site:
"On the foreign policy front, Obama has convinced me that he is tough but cautious. He rose up quickly because he vehemently opposed the Iraq war. But now I see a man who understands the victory that has taken place in Iraq. I don't believe he wants to screw that up."
http://www.billoreilly.com/newslettercolumn?pid=24183
And, finally, compare and contrast two press conferences about the economy from the same four-hour time span:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/26873212#26873212
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/26874590#26874590
McCain reads his prepared statement and then bolts. Obama sticks around to answer unscripted questions from the press.
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I'm not going to join the John McCain bandwagon, but those of you who think Obama is any better will be sorely disappointed after he's been in office a few months. If these two are the best America can produce, then we deserve the mess we're in.
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...stand up and say to the House Republicans, whose alternate version of the bill is a major point of contention, "look, for the good of the country, we need to pass this legislation now." If they pass it, he wins because he managed to get the Republicans to work with him. If they refuse, he wins because the Republicans stalled the efforts at the risk of exposing the American taxpayer to financial ruin. I'm not saying that it's the truth, I'm saying that's how it'll be played. The same goes for McCain, who is likely planning to play that exact trump card (which would explain why he "cut short his campaign" to go to Washington for the economic crisis in the first place). Look, I'm no lover of Republicans in general or McCain in particular, but I'm no fan of politics getting in the way of what's best for America, either. We need to settle this, one way or another, and let the economy do whatever it's gonna do. I will say, however, that if government regulation hadn't been pulled back during the Ford and Reagan administrations, we wouldn't be so deep in this mess. There's enough blame to go around for BOTH parties, but isn't it interesting that the worst general economic downturns in recent memory (the 1987 crash and the 1991 recession) both occurred during long Republican presidential terms? Recall that the gas crisis in the 1970s occurred at the tail end of Ford's term in office and spiked during Carter's term as a direct result of the Iran hostage crisis. Recall also that gas prices didn't go down during Reagan's term, they went up...WAY up. In fact, gas prices have only spiked so much under one other president: George W. Bush. They went back down during Clinton's term of office, and stayed down, but then rose precipitously again under Bush, Jr. So, ponder that.
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You also gotta admit, PirateEmery, that someone who doesn't understand the connection between foriegn policy and our own economic health here at home shouldn't be President. It's only natural for questions about the economy to come up when discussing foreign policy. For example, "Do you think spending trillions of imaginary dollars on a war with no exit strategy was good for the US economy?" would be a question I would ask myself. Especially before I suggested that the US economy and US foreign policy are not related and have no place being discussed in the same debate.
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Ahh yes, infantile namecalling. The hallmark of a true intellectual. I apologize for assuming you were a rational person and provided concrete examples to which you might give consideration. (P.S. I'm a registered independent. Thanks for playing, though.)
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Wow. I try to take what either side says with a grain of salt, as its all politics, so I didn't quite believe the negative words towards Palin...but then I saw her interviews. Do republicans honestly want this women in the white house? I'm sure shes intelligent, but if she gets too stressed to make sense while answering questions from Katie fucking Couric, I'd reconsider my vote.
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Do you really think there's not a 100% chance economics won't be discussed if the debate goes forward?
It would be like not mentioning terrorism if the debates were held Sept. 12, 2001.
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McCain and Palin are the worst presidential ticket ever assembled...and Palin was picked as stunt casting to match up to the looks of Obama's family, but white--and in regard to Palin herself, cast because she is a female, roughly Obama's age, in order to get the youth demographic and steal the female vote away, the so called Hillary supporters!!! Now, Palin has been exposed in interviews as completely unqualified to be a Vice-President, or President, not because she is a woman...but because she is the wrong woman. Christie Todd Whitman would have been the right choice. She may be pro-abortion, if I recall, but the Republicans were going to come-out and vote for their ticket anyway, because they are paranoid zealots, religious extremists and racists, all they care about is winning, hypocrisy, hate, and lies are tools of their trade. But at least with Whitman on the ticket, they would have had a brilliant woman...but no, they chose to go with Palin because she makes for a good photo-op and can read speeches very well...but she is horrible without a script. This woman is essentially an actor. Now that fact is coming out, and is backfiring on the McCain/Palin ticket, as Americans realize that they, the Carl Rove Republicans, picked her (and her family) just for physical looks and age, nothing else.Obama and Biden should show-up for the scheduled debates even if McCain and Palin refuse to show-up. At this point, it seems to me, with us in a new, and undeclared Great Depression, the Republicans may be trying to throw the election so they can sit out a term or two, and blame the resulting financial fall-out on the Democrates. Hence, their willingness now to throw the election, their Plan B!!!P.S.--Palin doesn't know what the Bush Doctrine is??? For those of you who don't know, including Palin, The Bush Doctrine is in Palin's panties, something that the man she cheated on her husband with, knows all about, chapter and verse!!! Now that's my kind of Bush...Doctrine!!! I'm not being sexist, just turning what is an unitentional joke, into a real one. And although it doesn't translate well in print, this one is going to get around...and you'll hear some comedian or talk show host say it, sure enough, if not, it'll find its' way onto Saturday Night Live, just you wait and see!!!
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is the most insulting and dangerous decision ever made in the history of american politics and it should disqualify mccain from ther presidency. has anyone seen her interviews? this is a slap in the face to all of us and I cannot believe the republicans are happy with this. Nor do I believe the polls are as close as the media makes out. If they are then I feel incredibly sad for the state of our countries mentality. and for the record I voted for bush in 2000 and I have been incredibly sorry ever since and I apologise to all of you.
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You hit the nail on the head. As soon as the primaries were over, I figured we'd have a do-over for both the Republicans and the Democrats, as both of their candidates sucked. Obama was proven to be an inexperienced empty suit who had quite a hate-filled past (compliments of Rev. Wright), and McCain was an angry old geezer who tried to switch to the Democrat party in 2002 and is now saying whatever he wants to the Republican Base in order to get elected and get back at them for the 2000 primaries.
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two weeks ago but there is no way they are not going to talk about what has happened. If mccain is incapable of doing two things at once then he should step aside and retire.
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Stand up, slappy jones, and let them see you! Oh, God love ya, what am I talking about? You know what, stand up for slappy jones!
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Great post, but I think Obama is too principled a dude to go for the bill as it exists now. He's more in the Kucinich mold than he lets on, and while that makes me want him to be President more than a whole lot of things, it's also what has me a little worried about his chances-- I honestly do think he's not going to go for a bill that will bring the US so close to a fascist state (and I'm not just throwing alarming terms around-- think about what it means when a capitalist government has an 80% stake in *every company* that lends people money), and then when the country is in the inevitable economic turmoil that's going to happen over the next few months no matter what-- McCain will be able to say "Well if he'd just signed the bill this wouldn't have happened!" and all Obama will be able to say is "Even if I'd signed it, this would have happened anyway."I'm the biggest Obama supporter you'll find, but (or, more aptly, so) this is my concern right now.
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If there was a debate held in the September after an election year, there would be more to worry about than just terrorism.
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I just read your intelligent post, and had to laugh when i read your name. Does anyone remember that SNL skit where Jack Black played a reporter for High Times. I can't remember what exactly he uncovered, but suffice it to say no one believed him since he worked for high times.
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I was wondering if one of them was the YouTube link of that batshit African preacher (Muthee) laying his hands on Palin and telling her to reject witchcraft. This guy makes Reverend Wright look pretty mainstream. He's known for being a freakin' witchhunter in Africa. Involving slandering and violence towards innocent women. And Palin's actually credited him for helping her rise to the governorship. If this doesn't scare people about Palin, I don't know what will. Talk about a theocratic state, with her whole 'mission' talk. Even the idea (unproven that it is) that this a ploy to cancel her debate is just so ridiculous. She's been so isolated and cut off from the press, because they know she can't handle it. Or, as Campbell Brown suggested, the McCain campaign is being way more sexist than any of their false rage about supposed 'sexist' treatment of her by the media. They're trying so hard to protect her. It's disgusting.
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Sep 26, 2008 1:13:38 AM CDT
McCain solves Crisis by his awesome Congressional power of 1 vot
by g100
Someone needs to tell McCain not just about Computers but the Magical SquawkBoxes that mean you can talk to people from vast distances.
Timeout everyone McCains getting hammered in the Polls.
Obama might even get a whole hour or so to himself on Prime Time. Good Move McCain.
And Pirate EVEN for satire blaming this on the Democrats is farcical.
What's that? Follow the Fannie and Freddie Money ? If you insist. Lets look at the McCain staffers...
One of them was Fannie Mae's head of lobbying, and spread tens of millions of dollars around Washington in the form of lobbying contracts. A number of McCain staffers were on the receiving end of those contracts, collecting hundreds of thousands of dollars each from the lenders to rep their interests. And McCain's campaign manager served as president of a lobbying association that fought to protect Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae from the sort of regulation that McCain is now proposing.
Aquiles Suarez, listed as an economic adviser to the McCain campaign in a July 2007 McCain press release, was formerly the director of government and industry relations for Fannie Mae. The Senate Lobbying Database says Suarez oversaw the lending giant's $47,510,000 lobbying campaign from 2003 to 2006.
And other current McCain campaign staffers were the lobbyists receiving shares of that money. According to the Senate Lobbying Database, the lobbying firm of Charlie Black, one of McCain's top aides, made at least $820,000 working for Freddie Mac from 1999 to 2004. The McCain campaign's vice-chair Wayne Berman and its congressional liaison John Green made $1.14 million working on behalf of Fannie Mae for lobbying firm Ogilvy Government Relations. Green made an additional $180,000 from Freddie Mac. Arther B. Culvahouse Jr., the VP vetter who helped John McCain select Sarah Palin, earned $80,000 from Fannie Mae in 2003 and 2004, while working for lobbying and law firm O'Melveny & Myers LLP. In addition, Politico reports that at least 20 McCain fundraisers have lobbied for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, pocketing at least $12.3 million over the last nine years.
For years McCain campaign manager Rick Davis was head of the Homeownership Alliance, a lobbying association that included Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, real estate agents, homebuilders, and non-profits. According to Politico, the organization opposed congressional attempts at regulation of Fannie and Freddie, along the lines of what John McCain is currently proposing. In his capacity of president of the group, Davis went on record in 2003 and insisted that no further reform of the lenders was necessary, in contradiction to his current boss's sentiments. "[Fannie and Freddie] are subject to an innovative and stringent risk-based capital stress test," Davis wrote. "The toughest in the financial services industry." -
save your country? you mean save your 13 cars and 6 homes. mccain stop acting like a president to make us think you're somekind of amazing leader. you're the same shit as bush. all about money and war. only you can speak. unfortunatly you have the personality of a wall.
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Yeah, this name is real bait for the book-by-the-cover types, but what can I say... it's who I am. Glad it made you laugh, that's what it's there for.
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He needs something to distract us from the fact that he took loads of money from Freddie and Fannie, and has ties to two former CEOs who got away with tens of millions of dollars in bonuses while driving the mortgage industry into the ground. Yeah, McCain didn't have to be there for this, but he would have been criticized either way. Oh yeah, and Obama's toast after the debates anyway. He may make a good speech but people are starting to realize how little experience this man has, and how little he actually has to say. People are not going to go for that during an economic crisis, especially during a war.
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So stipulated. But you didn't answer my question.
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if he does show up I'll be expecting him to act like Woody Woodpecker when he goes nuts.
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Dude, in the depression that we're either in or about to inevitably be in, the ONLY person who can get us out of it is someone who knows what the lives of actual, working people are like. Take a little trip back in time to FDR's handling of the Great Depression, specifically the WPO: the dude used governmental power to create jobs that catered specifically to incredibly diverse talents all types of professionals throughout America, and their salaries were paid by the government! Now come back to the present and let me ask you this:Instead of using a *TRILLION* dollars-- that's $1,000,000,000,000-- to basically buy a bunch of credit card companies for their own profit, why does the government not use that same trillion dollars to help literally everybody else in the country get back on their feet after the rampant oversights of just a few gigantic, and grossly irresponsible, money houses completely fuck them out of everything they've been working towards their whole lives?
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Watch the video here: http://www.michaelmoore.com/
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Right, Gus?
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yeah, there's this crazy idea going around that the government should, instead of bailing out these idiot companies, give the money directly to the American people. So 85 billion used to bail out AIG distributed among, say, 200 million adults over 18. That's about 425,000 a person! And it could still be taxed, so tons of money could still go right back to Uncle Sam. Imagine what you could do with that money - buy a house, pay off debt. It boggles the mind. Even though I'm an Obama supporter, it's clear politicians would rather control this than actually help the American people. Screw the insurance companies.
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Barack Obama's got the experience that actually COUNTS in the situation the country is facing, is my point. His experience as a community organizer is more important than anything John McCain's been through *in the context of this campaign*-- not to belittle McCain's experiences as a POW-- it's just the simple fact that right now we need a leader who doesn't see working Americans as an obstacle to higher profits for the companies that donated the most money to his campaign. We need a leader who sees the wellbeing of the working American as his responsibility.Obama is that leader. To think otherwise is to lie to one's self. Search your feelings... you know it to be true.
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Obamawill turn it into a 90 minute town hall meeting or give moderator Jim Lerher an exclusive ninety minute interview. Either way, Obama would become the focus of media attention all weekend. McCain cannot afford that.
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100% agree that Obama's experience as a community organizer is the EXACT experience the country needs at this moment of time. Ironic that McCain and Palin tried to make it a joke of some sort. Who's laughing now?
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Let the debates or non-debates for the next one-term - and severly ineffective - president begin. Neither of these guys is going to do much for this country.
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The liberal biased people who are attacking McCain for being a leader instead of a vacuous chatterbox should admit that if McCain hadn't gone back to D.C. to do his day job, they would be bashing him just as much. All Obama can do is read his TelePrompter and with less than 150 actual days in the Senate, he probably doesn't even know where the bathrooms are.
Instead of DOING something to stablize the markets and protect the taxpayers, Obama just wants to talktalktalkytalk. And after all the noise, what will have been accomplished? NOTHING!!! He doesn't want to actually make a decision, but he can't vote "Present" like he did back in Illinois. He's stuck and is hoping his disciples will make enough parrot racket to distract from his fecklessness. Too bad the Treason Media is more concerned with destroying Palin than actually vetting their guy. He has lied about his ties to unrepentant domestic terrorist Bill Ayers; he has a couple of years missing in his timeline during college that no one is asking about (you try to have a gap in your resume when applying for a job!); he sat for 20 years in the pews of a racist and paranoid preacher's church and claims he never heard a bad word when the DVDs were on sale in the lobby; he slipped millions of taxpayer dollars to cronies and his wife's job, which then rewarded her with a fat raise; I could go on and on, but the point is made. Obama is an empty suit being protected from scrutiny by the biased Treason Media.
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When he chose Palin. She's basically Dan Quayle with tits, only more stupid and unqualified.
Why else is she being shielded from the media?
And that decision tells me Mcain isn't to be trusted. He sure the fuck isn't putting "America first"
with that poor choice.
Normally I'd be in favor of a divided government situation, but not this time.
Anybody who votes for Mcain at this point after everything ( hey the economy is basically sound right, senator?WRONG!) that's happened is simply stupid. -
McCain, even with the grandstanding that he's doing, will show up. It was a political maneuver and it utterly failed. McCain has little to do with the actual drafting of the bill. He could by all accounts simply get a call on his BlackBerry and he'd be just as important to it. Allowing Obama to have national air time alone hammering away at the issue of the economy makes McCain really look like he doesn't understand the economic forces especially those that tie directly into foreign policy. If he already isn't in Oxford, my bet is he'll be on a plane there tomorrow morning.
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From Mudflats today (http://mudflats.wordpress.com/): "After the unbearably painful performance by Palin during her recent interview with Katie Couric, it's obvious to most that she is not ready for the Vice Presidential debate next week. Whether the interview is the reason, or only part of the reason that McCain has fled his own debate with Barack Obama scheduled for Friday isn't entirely clear. "The McCain camp has requested that the Presidential debate be moved to the date of the Vice Presidential debate, conveniently delaying the Vice Presidential debate to an unknown date in the future. Presumably this will give Palin some much-needed extra time to bone up on all the things she would have learned if she had ever studied or participated in international diplomacy, and matters outside the state of Alaska. "It's also not clear yet, whether this 'delay tactic' is going to work. Barack Obama has said that if McCain doesn't show up to the debate, he'll be there to hold a Town Hall meeting instead, leaving the Vice Presidential debate to go on as scheduled. Interesting... "'Delay' is apparently the theme of the day for our Republican VP nominee. Today we hear that Palin has requested, and received a four day extension for the disclosure of her personal finances. The new release date for these forms? October 3rd, the day AFTER her scheduled debate with Joe Biden."
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Which might be good enough to buy a Blu-ray player, but not nearly enough to buy a house.
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...McCain/Palin in televised debates. This fact is not lost to the GOP handlers. They'll take as much prep time as they are afforded.
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Damn!
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Him bowing out of the debate just shows that he is ill prepared to take on Obama as it serves as a stall tactic and especially now that the growing consensus are of anti repulican sentiment thanks to one of the worst financial disasters in history.There's no way this ol flip flopping fuckhead is gonna win the election unless Americans are that stupid right...........right?!?
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Acording to the NY Times.
Doesn't really sound like McCain was actually DOING much apart from a photo-op in a meeting with Bush.
Besides it seems McCain still doesn't even know if he supports the Bill or not.
What exactly is he going to do if he doesn't even know WHAT to do ?
McCain - "The issue of economics is not something I’ve understood as well as I should"
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... I just hope there's enough money left in the system to finish "Lost"!
Seriously, though, as a UK citizen considering emigrating to Canada with my Canadian girlf I'm watching these events with great interest. I think the UK is currently about 6 months behind the US and we're all facing the greatest financial and economic global crisis since the Great Depression of the 1930s. The UK government is very keen to blame the sub-prime mortgages in the US but the truth is that UK banks have been plenty busy themselves - as have their credit-hungry, greedy and irresponsible borrowers. It's not looking good for any of us and I'm just wondering where we'll whether the storm best: the UK or Canada. Very bleak times folks! Not quite BSG end of S4 E10 bleak, but bleak nonetheless. -
Just call PirateEmery an idiot, back. More fun. In fact you two debating who is an idiot sounds more fun than watching Obama and Mcain.
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working on the economic situation that will directly effect the future administration is far more important than discussing their foreign policy differences. the debate can't wait a few days?
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Sep 26, 2008 2:50:25 AM CDT
DirkBelig, McCain did offered no insight in todays meeting
by industrykiller!
According to press reports he "said very little" and didn't even speak until 43 minutes into the meeting. Moreover, the boodoggle is coming from the House Republicans who can't come to an agreement. So that's some fine mediating your moron candidate is offering. But feel free to continue coming up with lies, half truths, and non sequitors about Barack Obama and I'll be over here making sense.
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Either pretend it isn't there or replace it with a "done offered no insight" so at least then it will be in a hick language Drik can understand.
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I hate terms like that.
What a burn! Oh, so clever! "See, the media is run by them damn liberals and terrorists! That's TREASON! Hey, "Treason Media!" That's what I'll call 'em. That way, everyone will know how I feel about the media! Har, har!"
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Whats the point of that? Neither one of them needs to be there. So what do they offer other than two other warm bodies in the room? If you can explain to me what Obama and McCain can do to help specifically then I'd love to hear it.
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If McCain feels that he needs to be back to Washington then we move up the VP debate to Friday. If Sarah Palin or Joe Biden can't step up to a change in debate schedule then they aren't ready to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency. Move up the VP debate to Friday! I think that's fair and good for the country.
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I have a lot of respect for John McCain and his integrity (especially given the reports of his war years) and in any other circumstances I would want him to become president. However, I don't like GWB, I never have, I think the man is a fucking imbecile and a war monger. I think the last thing the US needs is another Republican who I dare say will continue the good work(?!) of Bush (and his daddy). John McCain is a good man but I think it's time for a change.Unfortunately, Obama reminds me too much of our former PM, Tony Blair. Young, charismatic and full of new hope and promise. Let's hope, if he gets in, he actually does some good because all Bush, Blair and Brown have managed to do is create systems that have enlarged the gap between the wealth divide, turning a blind eye to illegal, immoral and/or fraudulent activity that has financially crippled our economies and destined our children to a lifetime of poverty.
The Roman and British empires both fell. I dare say historians will look back and remark that this was the fall of the US and UK as powerful world players. China seems to be holding most of the cards now.Err... San Dimas High School football rules! -
the most powerful people in the world, got in a shouting match with each other over this crazy bailout. This is one of the most controvesal things the government has ever done. Think about it, there is so much we could do with $700 billion.
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sarah palin is nothing but bush with a vagina. I have trouble believing I can vote for mccain when his running mate is a carbon copy of George Dubya.
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with all the great and inspiring people in this country, the best candidates we could get are John Mccain and Barrack Obama. As George Washington said, politcal parties will be the downfall of America. Anybody still want to vote for Ron Paul?
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so we can determine who of the two is the master debater.
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Sep 26, 2008 3:41:35 AM CDT
McCain is only pulling this shit because Rove and Co. told him t
by kirbymanly
This whole stunt stinks of just that... a STUNT. He's admitted, in RECENT MONTHS, that his weakness is the economy/finance! The guy can't even remember how many homes he owns! On top of that, he has a lying sack of shit V.P. who's a complete hypocrite! It boggles my mind to think how this race is even close! Wake the fuck up!
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but the critical flaw of the Democratic system. Democracy gives power to the Majority, and we all know from simple law of averages [or something like that] that majority will not represent the smartest or best but the very middle. How can a system where stupidest person in the country has exactly same power as the smartest genius, work? Reason democracy works is that it gives the sense of power to those who don't have the skills to earn it on their own... and that in itself is it's biggest flaw. It gives power to ones who haven't earned it, dunno how to wield it.I see everyone discussing foriegn affairs and economy here, but how many of the TBers exactly undersand economics? How many TBers have majored in Economy? Yet, each one has an opinion on it and feels qualified enough to judge others [candidates].
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Fist fight in the Oval Office
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It's hard not to be a little cynical when one notes how a hurricane prevented Bush and Cheney from making appearances at the convention, and now a financial crisis means McCain can't debate Obama. It's too convenient by half.
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Let's be clear: We are a republic, not a true democracy. Checks and balances.
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Sep 26, 2008 4:57:38 AM CDT
McCain is on record saying he doesn't no much about the economy
by slappy jones
Yet he is going to sort out this collapse?? all of a sudden he's turned into greenspan?? give me a break. This is a ppolitical stunt of a desperately tired old man who only got the nomination because of a hilariously stupid and weak field of republican candidates. I mean who did he beat??Mitt the robot romney....julie-ani....Huckabee....foghorn leghorn...It was a joke.
I used to like mccain a lot but we are clearly seeing how dangerous he is as a candidate. Look at him react to this crisis we are in. he has been all over the map. running in a state of panic while obama has been calm and steady. Mccain was against a bailout then he was for a bailout.I would feel sad for him if he still wasn't so terrifyingly close to winning.
He reacts to things without thinking and with He makes wild gambles like his staggeringly awful decision to pick palin as his running mate.
Palin barely got through an interview with Katie fucking couric!!!! Biden will not be losing any sleep over debating her.
Republicans do you seriously feel safe knowing the country could potentially wind up in the hands of a woman who seriously tries to sell the proximity of her home from russia as foreign policy credentials?? As I said earlier it is insulting to all of us. We should all be ashamed that it is as close as it is. -
the way this pans out will determine the election. and right now none of us can tell who has the advantage but the debate about the debate will end this (for my money it obama)
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This is how it will work. Obama and McCain will have theire meeting with bush. they will agree on the debate but the debate will all about Foreign Policy and not on the economy. which will floor obama. As obama has been training like a prize fighter in florida about the ecomony. McCain will say hey im moving on. IT makes him look presidential.
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Sep 26, 2008 5:25:57 AM CDT
Forget politics. Let's talk education. Can anyone here spell?
by uncle stan
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John McCain, a man who admits he doesn't know much about the economy, is suddenly so indispensable to sorting it out that he must make himself unavailable to his presidential campaign. Visibly foundering and failing, his great leadership skills require him to sit silently while people far more capable than he is of dealing with the situation discuss the issues at hand. Oh, very stirring.John, if you, or Obama for that matter, are needed to actually vote on something, by all means take the time to do that. Otherwise, please get yourself to the debate and show us why on Earth we should vote you into the Presidency.
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keep a lid on it dude. far from being the worst ticket ever, they are in fact the best second best option ever. let me give an example: possible worst ticket ever: bush/cheney. seriously dude? worst ticket ever? you'd vote for bush over mcain?
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Obama is right...a President is gonna have to juggle multiple issues...especially considering the previous tennant at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. I think this brave, patriotic man who is John McCain is getting scared. As more comes out about Palin (Sure I have foreign policy experience...I order Chineese food all the time!) his boat is sinking.
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Sep 26, 2008 6:00:36 AM CDT
Hasn't anyone realized yet that McCain has quit the campaign for
by leafar the lost
Sen. McCain has basically quit running for the US President. This is an easy way for him to quit and make it look like he is doing it for the good of the country. McCain knows he will not win. Choosing Palin was one of the worse VP picks ever (Quayle wasn't that bad of a pick actually). McCain was a war hero, but that was 30 years ago. Today, in 2008, he is a quitter. Obama has won, and tonight's "debate" will clinch it.
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there is a diffence between whether palin would make a good president, and whether she is a good vp pick. she is clearly a good pick for mcain. she has clearly helped him. that is not to say she is actually good. good pick though
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Sep 26, 2008 6:22:53 AM CDT
It's not like McMain can do anything for the economy right now
by gungan slayer
His whole theory is putting his campaign off for the week to "focus on the economy" and "to find a solution." Dude, it's not like he can really do anything about it. I think having an open debate about the economy with Obama will be good not just for both presidential candidates, for the American public as well.
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I think she's made things worse. And of course no-one here can spell. THIS IS TALKBAAAAACK
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for the simple reason that it takes attention off Palin and back on to him. Whether this is a good thing is open to debate (heh).
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He'll run from this debate. He's palying chicken with the financial future of this country just to get himself elected.
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catlettuce4 did not jump down your throat. So I'm not sure why YOU attacked him. He was just trying to rebut your opening statement, nothing more.
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Katie Couric interview...Charlie Gipson interview. Some bad stuff right there. Really bad.And there is absolutely no reason to cancel the debate unless, like others have mentioned, he actually had to vote for something. Otherwise like AvonBarksdale said, move up the VP debate to today.You have to be able to adapt to rapidly changing situations after all....
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The McCain the public saw and a McCain that was hidden by his team. as time goes by the McCain that was hidden by his team will emerge. The McCain that was hidden by his team was the McCain that alot of the republican party tried to block in 2000. Large sways of the republican party, gop dont trust McCain at all. To be a leader you need to have a cool head in a time of crisis and McCain does not have that.
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because of Palin... she is such a re-re who will torn apart by Biden...
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If they cancel tonight's debate then the McCain camp can say there still has to be at least two presidential debates and therefore they would have to cancel the VP debate, and let's face it that would be good for them cause the bitch dosen't know what she is talking about. Dinosaurs never existed are you fucking kidding me!!
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Economics will be at the debate with or without McCain. If these talks works, I'm sure that McCain will be the first to step up and say that he saved the day.. Truth is he actually impeded the economic talks and is now scrambling to find something to "debate" about..He has no platform. That Moose in the Headlights that he calls a running mate...god bless her, she's like a student trying to cram for an oral exam and is just sputtering for "facts" she skimmed over. Bush Doctrine? Anyone? Anyone?
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If you don't think our economy isn't the first and foremost thing in our foreign policy. The only reason we are a power in the world is due to our economy. They're intertwined.
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the VP debate is what people ACTUALLY want to see. The GOP is praising Palin that she is up to the task..now they have to show it.
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around 160,000 dollars a year to be in Washington and represent their states in the Senate. I wouldn't mind if they both decided to take a few days off the campaign each month to go back to the Senate and vote on important bills, etc...especially with a problem this big. You can reschedule a debate but to pass such a controversial bill and get it right is not a simple task, as proven by the congress' lack of doing so this last week.
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It just makes it look like he's afraid of debating Obama. And the country is very ready for a debate, so him putting it off won't make him any friends. His goal is to take credit for the bailout plan if one is agreed upon, but if it's not, he's fucked, and even if it is, it doesn't seem like a big enough victory considering the cons. (Especially since Letterman completely deflated McCain's "I have to go fix the economy!" faux-urgency.)
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Have Obama and McCain send their VP picks to debate in their place. That would actually be pretty cool. Or if McCain just sent Palin in his place. I don't think Obama would accept that challenge though. Not that Palin would be a better debater, but Obama's been prepping for an old tired man, not a 40 yearish old sexy lady.
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There are still ads on TV, and he's still giving speeches and interviews. Many of his staffers are also giving interviews, in which, among other things, they bash Obama and campaign for their guy. Just wanted to point that out, because this surreal turn is obviously. . . obviously a fucking stunt. Twenty years from now this will be discussed in classrooms as a fulcrum point, where Obama runs away with the election, for good or ill. You see, the Republicans may have convinced a great number of the proles to vote against their own self-intrests for these last twenty years, but they rely on a general ignorance of economic principals, religion, and foreign policy. They will be hard. . . hard pressed to convince this same group that McCain isn't anything but a coward for ducking these debates. Many Americans may be cheeto-eating, American Idol watching dumbasses. . . but Republicans and the McCain camp miscalcuate, and seem to beleive that we are not only dumb, but functionally retarded. We are not. Enjoy the nose-dive, boys (and lady).
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Most (I'd like to think ALL) Democrats are Democrats because they believe in social justice. They believe that everyone should be given a fair shot.
I don't know what Democrats stood for before....it doesn't matter....right now is what will ultimately affect us in our own lifetimes.
We have a really high percentage of our population in prison. This affects family structures.
Lack of a core structure puts education to the back of the line.
We have a high percentage of people that are uneducated and lack the socialization that goes along with a formal education.
Lack of education dictates you survive however possible ... everything is fair game.
.... things that will even send you to prison.
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Sep 26, 2008 8:33:50 AM CDT
My friends, I am suspending this talkback until the crisis is re
by spyguy
Mostly because the polls are heading in Obama's direction because the country is focused on actual issues instead of pigs wearing lipstick.
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Somebody needs to tell Mr. Obama that he is a senator, an elected, paid representative official of the US Senate for the people of Illinois and not a fill-time preisdental candidate. If there is a crisis his ass should be back in Washington doing what he was elected to do and gets paid for. At least McCain walks the walk , and talks the talk. Country first, senator first, people first. Maybe Obama can debate debate his teleprompter or better yet, Joe Biden, since they seem to disagree on coal, and mocking a Vietman Veteran's war injuries. Remember, McCain oulled his life vest cord with his teeth at the bottom of Lake Hanoi since his arms were broken. There wouldn't be a debate on the debate if Obama agreed to the townhall meetings. McCain is gonna clean his clock anyway, so what's the big deal. To surge or not to surge, indeed.
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Wouldnt anyone else get fired for taking off work to apply for a new job during business hours for your current one? A debate about foriegn policy is not nearly as important as trying to fix our current situation if you ask me. Besides Obama really doesnt have a leg to stand on saying McCain is running away from the debate. McCain has been asking for more debates for a long time now and Obama has been the one refusing up till now. Shut up and do your job and have the debate when you have some free time.
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because he doesn't have the experience or the influence. So, run off, little Obama, you aren't needed here. The Republicans NEED John McCain because the Dems only hold the Senate by ONE VOTE. His vote WILL make a difference. And he has the experience and the influence that Obama lacks. So, run off, little Obama, and let the real leaders of the country get to work...
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McCain is going to get his ass kicked come election day. No sane person will vote for McCain with Crazy Woman on the ticket.
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while we all burn. THEY ARE ALL TO BLAME
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http://market-ticker.denn inger.net/
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Any other Internet rumors you want to claim are true? Ebert was right--critical thinking is non-existent in this day and age.
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tell them if they support Bush, no CEO pay caps, and this SHIT, then they will be voted out
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has the Government - meaning the taxpayers - INSURING TRILLIONS in those mortgage-backed securities in hopes that private investors will buy them.
Not only are the unsavory investments to begin with, those who hold them will have no impetus to salvage them because they can just dump them on the government insurance. Remember - this is why AIG failed to begin with - insuring toxic mortgages.
And they also want additional capital gains tax cuts on top of MORE DEREGULATION.
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http://www.fed upusa.org/
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Excerpt from an article posted today on www.rutlandherald.com. You go, Caribou Barbie!
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Palin's foreign policy experience came up when she gave her first major interview, on Sept. 11 to ABC News. Asked what insight she had gained from living so close to Russia, she said: "They're our next-door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska."
The comment met with derision from Palin's critics and was turned into a punch line for a "Saturday Night Live" skit featuring actress Tina Fey. Appearing as Palin, she proclaimed, "I can see Russia from my house!"
In the interview with CBS News anchor Katie Couric, Palin said: "It's funny that a comment like that was, kind of made to … I don't know, you know? Reporters …"
Couric said, "Mock?"
"Yeah," Palin said, "mocked, I guess that's the word, yeah."
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July 12th, 2007: "This is far and away the strongest global economy I've seen in my business lifetime."
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http://www.reut ers.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE48O9VC20080925"[CA Dem Rep] Sherman said Democratic lawmakers were told that dealbreakers for the White House include mortgage bankruptcy reform and limits on the pay of the executives of companies that would sell assets to the U.S. Treasury under the bailout proposals.
"Bankruptcy reform is a dealbreaker for the White House" and so are corporate executive pay limits, Sherman said. "On more than one occasion, the statement was made that if we put that in the bill, the president will not sign it," he said." -
You can't run this country by dropping everything else completely in favor of one objective.
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"March 16th, 2008:"We've got strong financial institutions . . . Our markets are the envy of the world. They're resilient, they're...innovative, they're flexible. I think we move very quickly to address situations in this country, and, as I said, our financial institutions are strong."
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"May 7, 2008: 'The worst is likely to be behind us,'"
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That's just so obvious.
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All you fanboy jerk-offs better start putting all your "limited edition, collectible" toys on ebay pronto, so you will have money to eat. But once Obama becomes president, and I have to look at that ugly faced wife of his on t.v. all the time, I might not be able to keep food down anyway.
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Sep 26, 2008 9:28:42 AM CDT
MCCAIN: "THE FUNDAMENTALS OF THE ECONOMY ARE STRONG"
by bringingsexyback
Last week.
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...Talkbackers and admit that Sarah Palin is a Joke? I have been watching these interview clips compulsively and laughing to tears. I don't even care for now who you plan to vote for in November, but America needs stand together on this...nobody really understands the bailout plan or whether it's a good thing or not...Iraq and Afghanistan are a disaster, but at least we can all watch the Katie Couric interview and laugh...and cry...and laugh...it could be so beautiful...
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http://www.vi si.com/juan/congress/
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...it's better than that Miss Teen USA clip that made the rounds last year...
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When did I say it was fact. It was just my guess. We do live in America right? It was just my opinion!
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but lets not get distracted by the circus. Paulson's words move mountains, Mccain's move tabloids. We will deal with Siegfried and Roy after this!!!!
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Haven't you embarassed yourself enough with your blind ideology and demonstrated ignorance of the English language? Why should Obama agree to 10 debates in a single format that McCain thinks will benefit himself, presumedly so he doesn't have to stand for an hour? I'd tell him to get real myself. Why not just have al lthe debates sponsored by more religous fundamentalists wackos? I'm sure McCain would love that again too.
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That's what this is.
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They WILL exist, as they are robots built in the future sent to the past to fight our alien overlords (Xenu and co.). Their robotic remains are the "fossils" we find and the "fossil fuels" are really a weaker version of the fuels we will use in the future to power said robots.
Palin will be integral in creating many of these robots, which is why there is so much oil in Alaska.
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I may be a day late and a dollar short, and I'm also butting in for sure, but I dn't know what you took exception to, mr. foreskin. mr. lettuce 4 didn't write anything obnoxious or whiny, or anything. He just listed some links to some Obama info. I don't understand why you took such intense objection to that. But I'm intrigued.
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Ah, so I see you're not above using the "McCain Is A Petulant Teenager Who Didn't Get What He Wanted Defense".Seriously, that Townhall meeting excuse is one the lamest comebacks I've ever heard in a political campaign. It's shameful; just like McCain's VP pick.
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Feel free to wake up from your delusional fantasy any time.
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18 million cracks in the glass ceiling, indeed.
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How do we make a young, non-white male look experienced? Pair him up with an old, white guy. Genius.
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The economy crashed because of unregulated GREED. When conservatives say deregulation that is code for telling big money that they want to let them DO ANYTHING.
It wasn't supposed to get this bad or crash until after the election. That way either McCain would be in office already or they could dump this soul numbing mess into Obama's lap.
The White House/Bush wanted us to go along with a 700billion dollar big business bailout that would be completely without legislative control or review from ANYONE?
This is how countries get taken over. Strip people of their rights, start an army that doesn't answer to anyone (Blackwater and their type) and then completely control the economy and the currency. HOW BAD DOES IT HAVE TO GET??
Obama will show up for the debate because he is too smart to let McCain appear and claim 'Obama was too afraid to even show up'.
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Look! Black people aren't lazy alcoholics anymore! Look at Will Smith put down the hooch and tackle all that responsibility!
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Beware your neighbor, he may be a dangerous black guy. Beware...
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If each candidate were loyal to their party, they'd throw this race. The next president will not be remembered kindly by history.
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slightly. It's subtle, but it's there. Hillary would have been much more successful if "Sex in the City" hadn't been released in the middle of her run.
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I'm voting for Palin. McCain benefits from my single vote only because he happens to be attached to the ticket.
But this political stunt is just stupid.
McCain stood a fighting chance to win this thing, if he didn't self-destruct. Which he seems to want to do.If an when he loses, I will hold him personally responsible for denying me the chance to drink in the sweet suffering of liberal tears.
Cuz giving Obama an open forum instead of an actualy debate is just stupid. Even a poor performance by McCain would be better than this obvious political posturing by McCain back in Washington. "See? See how important I am?"
The Palin pick was a good one--the amount of irrational hate it immediately generated on the left proved that--though probably made for the wrong reasons (superficial political posturing, like this).
Bah. I usually vote against Democrats. This time won't be any different. Obama will probably win. Maybe the Republicans will run as, I don't know, actual conservatives in 2010 and 2012.
Though, frankly, I'm not with my right-leaning brethren on an Obama presidency. I think he'd be a very Clintonian president (i.e., mostly moderate, simultaneously defended by the left while disliked for not being nearly liberal enough). And if he takes a hard left, Republicans get the house and senate in 2010, ala 1994.
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We all know Obama has absolutely no foreign policy experience and thinks that Iran and N. Korea are tiny countries and not a threat. Obama is a Socialistic idiot. McCain should stay in Washington to try and fix this huge fuck up that the Democrats caused.
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I was talking about the dinosaurs thing. That was from a fake quote never uttered by Palin. http://tinyurl.com/6qt6ed
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The one smart thing he's done. Keeping her on a short leash, over-coaching her, making her tow the McCain talking-points line, not so much.
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Who thinks LeftFoot is the single most idiotic person on here?
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You continue to demonstrate just how pathetic you and your cronies are. Palin is a good pick because it pissed off liberals? You are everything that is wrong with this country.
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" As far as Obama is concerned, it's simply not credible to say that McCain is ducking this debate."
Of course it is. That's exactly what it looks like. After all his noise about how Obama wouldn't do Town Halls with him, this whole stunt is just asinine.
I'm still voting for McNugget, but just because I have to in order to vote against the Democrats. If there was a credible Whig candidate running, I'd probably go that route. Except for Palin. I'm kind of hoping for a future Palin/Steele ticket. Really drive the leftards crazy.
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And McCain is saying "I'm not an expert on Wall Street" but then proceeds to run to Washington to try and 'save' the current situation by saying "Look at me, look at me...people really love me. Now the problem can be solved because of ME." (see, I can make stuff up and put it in quotes too)
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...then why isn't McCain rushing down there to swing his alleged big foreign policy experience dick? Surely he feels more confident about that particular subject as opposed to sitting silently for 40 minutes during the White House crisis meeting yesterday.
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How did only the Democrats cause the current situation? Please elaborate.
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Just ask John McCain. He grew up with them.
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Quote: "I'm still voting for McNugget, but just because I have to in order to vote against the Democrats."So, what you're really saying is party over country.
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"You continue to demonstrate just how pathetic you and your cronies are. Palin is a good pick because it pissed off liberals? You are everything that is wrong with this country."
Did I say that? It a SIGN that she was a good pick, not WHY she was a good pick.
Let me know if I have to define the difference between "sign", which is an indicator, and "why", which is a fundamental reason or causal factor.
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Mrs. Jarv would vote Republican- she would absolutely have voted for Arnie as governer (2nd term) if she hadn't emigrated to London. She keeps up with events and is severely unimpressed with the Democrat party for not nominating ClintonHowever, not in 1 million years will she vote for Sarah Palin. And I bet she isn't alone in this one. So to say that all the people who think palin is a terrible pick are those that would never vote Republican is not true. How on earth can you think that woman is a good choice? It's beyond me. Coughlins- you are an idiot. Casualty= wounded. Fatality= Death. This is not hard, and you won't let it go.
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Are you folks of the left willfully obtuse or do you just like making shit up? Seriously, if you're going to pull shit out of your ass, then why don't you pull something like this:
"So, what you're really saying is that, since the Democrats are, on the whole, worse than the Republicans, you have to pick the lesser of two evils and vote against the party that represents the most potential long-term damage to the country, to your way of thinking?"
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You're not doing yourself any favors by telling us you're as ignorant and lazy as the corporate news networks. Fact: You didn't know the definition of the word. Just admit it, shit for brains.
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Your blindness in voting against the Democratic Party, no matter what, is scary. And the fact that you think Palin is a good pick is even more scary. You've see her interviews, right? Her knowledge base is pathetic. I don't like McCain, but at least I know he does have some intelligence. Palin has not shown any during her interviews, just continues to ignore the questions asked regurgitate the same shit over and over again.
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Sep 26, 2008 10:15:57 AM CDT
When they say "Democrat Party", that's the give-away..
by kazamasmokers
... that tells you that person gets their talking points from right-wing talk radio. And our little pal Coughlin is confusing having a majority with being in charge. Coughlin, ask Santa for a copy of the Constitution this Christmas, okay?
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Man, it just takes the zing out of a slam when you make a typo. Dammit.
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The GOP whines that "WE make the Rules, and the Rules say we can do whatever we want and WE WIN!!"
I'd bet that by 4:00 EST McCain calls thwe Obama camp and tries to make a deal that he'll show up for both Presidential debates if they just-for-christ's-sake-cancel the VICE Presidential debate.
Is it me, or does anybody else get the feeling that Sarah Palin is starting to get the idea of how those moose feel when they realized that she was drawing a bead on them?
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are the ones who felt everyone had a right to own a home and basically made Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac give out these loans to people who could not afford it. It's the Dems fault, the mortgage companies fault and the stupid people who got the loans. McCain has been saying that Fannie and Freddie needed to be reformed. Bush said it back in 2003. And gay ass Barney Frank said they didn't need to be reformed because there wasn't a problem with them. You know who received the most contributions from fannie? Chris Dodd #1, Hillary Clinton #2, Obama #4! Frank Raines, former CEO of Fannie Mae is Obama's economic advisor. And now the dems want to take out tax money and bail these peices of shit out and the republicans are try to take a good hard long look at this thing.
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This is exactly the time the public should see the candidates debate, one of these guys will run the country this is an opportunity to see them without the filter of the media. Neither senator is essential to the ongoing process. McCain's attitude is deeply disappointing.
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First off, you guys were chomping at the bit to get Mccain on the ticket with Kerry last time around. He wasn't "4 more years" then, but now, when he's clearly on the other side he's just more of the same? You make yourselves look like fools when you say that.
Second, you people act like Bush has done nothing good, despite the fact that we're coming off the biggest economic up-tick since the .com boom. Economic prosperity is cyclical in nature! With that said, the President does very little to directly influence the economy. You are uneducated if you think the president did anything to directly break the economy or the new one will have any direct power to fix it.
Third, you support a guy who, to this day, still hasn't laid out what his plans are in clear terms. It's all still talking points with him, still. He's is obviously nothing more than a career, fast tracked politician who has never done anything of merit in a political sense. He was fast tracked to the senate and he's being fast tracked to the White House. Doesn't that scare you at all? Doesn't the fact that he has already promised more things that the numbers prove can't be given than any other candidate before him not give you pause? Are you so eager for something different that you would elect a person with no experience, no background and is obviously be puppeted into the presidency? For people who claim to care about the country it sure seems many of you are more interested in just having "your guy" in there than having someone who is actually qualified. -
They aren't the only cause. Eveyone can be given some blame. However you have people like Barney Frank insisting that it be law that poor people that can't afford loans, be given those loans anyway. Because according to Frank, "That's only fair." You also have people like Chris Dodd who's the head of the Finance Commitee who stayed mum on the whole thing. Didn't warn a soal.
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Obama 08. Fo Shizzle!!!!!
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"Senate Democratic leaders unveiled their $56 billion economic stimulus package on Thursday, less than an hour before leaving to meet President Bush at the White House to continue the fragile negotiations on the financial rescue bill.
Calling it “an economic recovery package that will help middle-class families struggling in the weakening Bush-McCain economy,” Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) and Appropriations Committee Chairman Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.) pitched the plan with the familiar mantra of “not forgetting Main Street.” The plan includes a $7.5 billion down payment on $25 billion in loans for the struggling auto industry." -
"you voted for Mccain? Oh no you di-ent!!"
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I'll be here if Obama wins. Don't worry. Somehow I doubt you will be. If McCain wins I'll be immolating myself in front of the White House while you laugh.
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I can see the ocean. I should be in charge of the Coast Guard.
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"Your blindness in voting against the Democratic Party, no matter what, is scary."
When the Democratic party changes, I'll vote for 'em. I've been occasionally tempted. Voted for Harold Ford, Jr. for congress. Last time I did it. If Republican Governor Don Sundquist had run again, I would have voted against him (i.e., for the Democrat), but that didn't happen.
"And the fact that you think Palin is a good pick is even more scary. You've see her interviews, right? Her knowledge base is pathetic."And you were on the edge, just about to vote for McCain, until the Palin pick. I'm sure. -
Sep 26, 2008 10:24:26 AM CDT
Limbaugh could say Cheech & Chong assassinated Archduke Ferdinan
by kazamasmokers
... and some of you folks would be on here within minutes screaming for the heads of Cheech and Chong. It's as sad as it is amusing.
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Who ever wins inherits a DEAD economy. Also a United states much like a third world nation in the eyes of the rest of the world.
But this is what scares me;
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread391619/pg8
"Hi all, This might be the last thing I ever post on here but I need to warn you all. I have been with LAPD for a while and have learned alot of things. One of them is to be a little more independent. Don't put 100 % faith in other humans to take care of you. And yes that means the government 2. Well because things have gotten so bad in LA (Officers being shot at up 39 % in 2007) I decided to move to Idaho. And I love it by the way. Anyway what I'm going to say might shock you or even scare you, but please understand that fear does nothing but makes things worse kinda like stress. So instead of worrying do something to fix it. Remember there's no problems only solutions. This morning I got a call from my uncle who is very high up in the military and he told me to leave the city now. I hardly ever talk to him so he was unaware that I had already left LA. But he seemed very concerned but refused to tell me why. After about 20 minutes he told me the very basics. The first thing he said was to buy as much can food and water as possible. The second was to stock up on ammo. I have already stacked up on ammo because I knew it would become very expensive later and in LA there was a 1 year wait for .223 bullets for my AR15. But I was still very confused as to why he's calling out of the blue and telling me these things. Well what he said next is something the american people aren't suppose to know. He told me that there is an actual plan as to when the economy will completely crash. As of right now he said it will happen in the middle of sept of this year. Also he said that our Government will crash in Feb of 2009. He said that Mexico and Canada will merge with us and that a new dollar called the Amero is going to replace the dollar. But the most scary thing is what he told me he's been doing for the past couple of years. He's been overseeing the construction of Prison Camps being built all through out America. He said a Private company called Haliburton is building them. He told me that 1 camp in Alaska can hold 2 million people and there's almost 1000 camps in the USA. ( not including the ones underground) He also said that these will be used when they declare Martial Law. There's some more things but I promised him I would never repeat them. But just knowing that this could even be possible makes me say to myself " why not buy an extra 20 or 30 bucks of food I can store" each time I go shopping. I had about 2 weeks worth because in California you never know when that next big earthquake can hit not to mention the last year and a half we have been training on how to handle food riots in LA.( By the way the first step in the LAPD process is to stand back and observe)
http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/government/new_world_order/news.php?q=1222050014
Portable PRISON CELLS unloaded in PROVO, UTAH
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8b7_1222348443
Oct. 1st Military starts Martial Law Mission
3rd Infantry’s 1st BCT trains for a new dwell-time mission. Helping ‘people at home’ may become a permanent part of the active Army
The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent 35 of the last 60 months in Iraq patrolling in full battle rattle, helping restore essential services and escorting supply convoys.
http://therearenosunglasses.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/3rd-infantry-division%E2%80%99s-1st-brigade-combat-team-to-begin-us-tour-of-duty/
Posse Comitatus you say? Well, from the Wiki we learn the following:
* On September 26, 2006, President Bush urged Congress to consider revising federal laws so that the U.S. military could seize control immediately in the aftermath of a natural disaster, in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. These changes were repealed in their entirety in 2008.
* In early 2006, the 109th Congress passed a bill containing controversial provisions that granted the President additional rights to use federal or state National Guard Troops inside the United States in emergency situations. These changes were included in the John Warner Defense Appropriation Act for Fiscal Year 2007 (H.R. 5122.ENR) These changes were repealed in their entirety in 2008.
* Footnote: All changes have been repealed, and have changed back to the original state of the Insurrection Act of 1807.
Source: Army Times
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Beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st BCT will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.It is not the first time an active-duty unit has been tapped to help at home. In August 2005, for example, when Hurricane Katrina unleashed hell in Mississippi and Louisiana, several active-duty units were pulled from various posts and mobilized to those areas.
But this new mission marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities. -
Sorry, but Obama doesn't have the moral character or background for the job. McCain and Palin all the way baby!!!
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...because they are Senators? I can't understand why people want to roast McCain for doing his job. Obama is so used to not doing his job as a Senator, that he doesn't want to do it now. Just look up Obama's voting record. Present, Not Present, Not Present, Not Present, Present, Present, Not Present. The man never voted on anything, either because he a) couldn't make up his mind. b) didn't want to take a stance on an issue. or c) didn't show up for work. Yeah, that's who I want to run the country. A senator who can't be bothered to vote in the senate because he's too busy making land deals with convicted felons and attending anti-american, racist, hate churches. The most impressive thing Obama has ever accomplished in his political career, was when he stole taxpayer money in Chicago, and used it to give his wife a raise. Obama sponsers legislation to give a hospital a recurring 1 million dollar grant. Just so happens his wife works at said hospital and receives a $100,000 salary increase days after the legislation is passed.....
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The Palin pick was a good one--the amount of irrational hate it immediately generated on the left proved that."
"When did you say anything about it being a 'sign'?"
Are you naturally stupid, or do you work at it?
Where in that sentence--that, amazingly, you just quoted and yet still got wrong--did I say that liberal outrage and irrationality and the Palin pick was a reason to pick her? Not that I don't enjoy that effect, I admit, but the clear implication of "the amount of irrational hate it immediately generated on the left proved that" is that the amount of unhappiness on the left proved that it was a good pick. I.e., was an indication that it was a good pick, not a "reason" for it.
But don't let me stop you from living in your own little world of strawmen. You obviously prefer it.
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...perhaps one of our greatest Presidents, if America will vote what is best for the country and our children, and our children's children. More than ever, this election may be pivotal in the fate of our country. Whatever you do, please vote.
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Say what you will about the political maneuvers and what not, but it helped McCain for sure. In the daily Gallup tracking poll Obama went from a 50-44 lead over McCain to both being tied at 46%.If I was a Leftist, I'd be sweating bullets because even now in the midst of this economic disaster your guy STILL can't pull away or generate a substantial lead. So much for Obama anointing himself "The One" (which was laughably arrogant and egotistical to begin with). In the end, I think the Left is going to be in for a long night of crying on election eve when it's revealed that behind the privacy of a voting booth that Middle America ultimately rejected Obama...
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Obviously you can't see McCain is merely politically posturing by acting as if his presence is going to affect anything. Get fucking real. Instead of ditching Letterman to "race home" to workout a bailout deal (i.e. doing an interview with Couric to do Palin damage control and having dinner in NY), he could have been preparing for the debate.
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look- If bush had had a fabulous 8 years and the Dollar wasn't in the toilet, there's no pointless and expensive war in Iraq etc then most moderates would be voting for the Republicans as it is a good thing. But this is not the case. However, if the same situation applied and the Repubs nominated Palin as VP, then for a fucking fact a huge swathe of women would automatically vote democrat (not to mention a lot of men, or anybody with half a brain). SHe is a terrible candidate.
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Thanks for that...I just spit coffe all over my keyboard!
Bill Hicks, rest in peace, had a great bit about how fundamentalists believed that God placed dinosaur fossils in the ground to test our faith. "Does it bother any of y'all to think that GOD may be FUCKING with us? You believed in dinosaurs...you fool! Off to Hell with you!" "But it seemed so plausible...ahhhhhhhhh!" I'm sure you can find that online somewhere...
And yoe Avon....West Side represent! Still, you shouldn't have hooked Marlo up with Sergei and the Greek...motherfucker reached out and got Prop Joe. Damn! -
If you truly believe socialism works, then by all means, vote Obama. If you think that capitalism works, vote McCain. As far as I'm concerened, I work hard for my money and do not want the govt. taking it. The federal govt.'s only purpose should be for national security and inner state disputes. Now look at it, it has it's hand in everything and it causes mayhem. The dems were threatening to nationalize oil companies. Could you imagine? Remember when they nationalized flu vaccines and there were shortages and continue to be problems. People need to realize that the problems we face are because of the fucking government. They need to stop turning to the government for help and instead tell them to fuck off.
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I invented the black berry! That dipshit can't even send an email!
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just ask Rev. Wright. It's the most hate-filled, racist shit you can find. If this was a white canidates spiritual leader, he would have been lynched.
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So if Bush said they needed to be reformed in '03, what stopped him? The Republicans were in total control back then, yes?And from the Washington Post, highest congressional career total contributions from Freddie and Fannie:Roy Blunt, R-house minority: $78,500Robert Bennett, R-Utah: $71,499Spencer Bachus, R-AL: $70,500Harry Ried, D-NV: $60,500Joe Boehner, R-OH: $60,500Now it's completely true that the Democratic party received more total funds for '08 in the House for campaign funds by $18,100.Bottom line: BOTH FUCKING PARTIES ARE IN THIS DEEP AND ARE BOTH DIRTY FUCKING WHORES. Why can't most Republicans on these boards see this?
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If you think Obama=socialism and McCain=capitalism, you need to go back to school and take a basic political science class...and an economics 101 course along with it.
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Fair and balanced Fox News told me Biden's leaving under the "health reasons" excuse and therefore it must be true.
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that does scare me. It scares me that people this fucking paranoid and insane can have access to firearms.
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"However, if the same situation applied and the Repubs nominated Palin as VP, then for a fucking fact a huge swathe of women would automatically vote democrat (not to mention a lot of men, or anybody with half a brain). SHe is a terrible candidate."
We have to agree to disagree. I think you're 100% wrong on Palin. In many ways, she is an ideal candidate, where McCain is not. Not even remotely. I guarantee you, if she was at the top of the ticket, she wouldn't be ditching the debate, like a dumbass, in favor of political bullshit posturing in Washington like McCain is.
BTW, in a presidential contest between Schwarzenegger and Barack Obama, I'd vote for the more conservative candidate in that race. And that would be Barack Obama. By a nose, admittedly, but still. Arnold Schwarzenegger is the personification of Republican in Name Only. Perhaps he's slightly more conservative than Grey Davis. Slightly. -
are beyond uninformed. Every poll from that day until as late as yesterday shows that she is responisible for a __MAJOR__ shift in opinion towards the Republican ticket. To say that she has 'hurt' McCain is just exposing your idiocy. People on BOTH sides of this election are saying she has provided a MAJOR MAJOR boost to the McCain campaign. But go ahead and enjoy your delusion.
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Palin = Mooseburgers. I know who I'd vote for.
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good god. Please tell me you are less than 18 and don't have a vote.
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Sep 26, 2008 10:34:53 AM CDT
HF HKJ UH UFHUDSH F UDSF3UXG EE EIU GRCE XY VWYGF EXEE
by bringingsexyback
I'm speaking in tongues like Sarah Palin. Don't ask me to translate - it's between me and Harry Knowles!!!!!
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tell me how i'm wrong.
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First of all I copy and pasted your direct quote so how did I get it wrong exactly?
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Sep 26, 2008 10:35:50 AM CDT
The Repubs have run the ENTIRE SHOW for eight years...
by kazamasmokers
... and they have fucked everything up royally and NONE of you people are man enough to simply own up to it. You people should just start wearing dresses and high heels at this point. The GOP has a big jar with all your testicles in it.
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Welcome back my friends!
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Your only looking at contributions from PAC's.
Name Office State Party Grand Total Total from
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Individuals
Dodd, Christopher J S CT D $165,400 $48,500 $116,900
Obama, Barack S IL D $126,349 $6,000 $120,349 -
Sep 26, 2008 10:36:59 AM CDT
the dude who said but how can one be a republican one election,
by drturing
Uhh look at the fucking news and the past four years, there's your answer right there.
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If McCain should lose--he continues as a senator. Quietly retires from the field later.
If Obama loses- obsurity. He becomes a pariah.
No one--and I mean no one- wants Obama to lose more than Hillary.
Well--maybe Bill. Honestly--if you can devoid yourself of the emotion of whether your a lib or con---Bill Clinton is the show folks. Give him 10 minutes in a room with Obama and he would pummel him senseless. Not a happy man right now. -
Bozo? Pulling stuff out of my ass? Dude, you're the one stating that your voting for McCain/Palin because you "have to in order to vote against the Democrats."If that's not the kind of myopic thinking that plays into party politics, I don't know what is.
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"BOTH FUCKING PARTIES ARE IN THIS DEEP AND ARE BOTH DIRTY FUCKING WHORES."
Abso-fucking-lutely.
"Why can't most Republicans on these boards see this?"
I can't speak from my brethren (I happen to like candidate Obama a lot, actually, so I'm off the plantation there, too), but I sure can. It's obvious that both parties have been up to their eyeballs in this, and all of what has happened has been due to actions on both sides of the aisle--deregulation, driven mostly by Republicans and softening loan requirements, ostensibly for "fair and affordable housing", driven mostly by the democrats--have helped lead to this mess. But both parties are in this up to their eyeballs. Ain't no doubt of that.
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Yeah that was an intelligent comeback.
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having hard-working Americans pay for shitty social programs. Why should I work 10 hours a day, 5 days a week and have to pay for Madula Mobani to sit on her ass all day, shitting out kids and watching reruns of Maury Povich? I like my money. I don't want to give it to you Madula. Go get your own money!!!
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Which candidate has the country's interest as heart? Plus, the idea of McCain dying (of old age) while in office is one of the scariest scenarios of all, considering his running mate. (Anyone seen her interviews?) Open your minds, people. In these difficult times, Obama is the man this country needs.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlmmVuxTHSA
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... is that they mostly go to Red states.
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But...But...Don't they need him to solve the bailout crisis and get a deal made? Hunh.
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Congress has an all time LOW approval rating when it's contrlloed by the Democrats? Since they've gained control they have done nothing! Everyone thinks Obama is some white knight that will rescue you. If you're looking to the government for help it's probably because you put yourself in a bad situation.
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Okee-dokee. Whatever you say. I know, why don't you write my posts AND yours so I can just say whatever you want me to have said, and you can be REALLY right and I can be REALLY wrong and you can be smarter than everybody. Because, based on what you've said, you clearly don't want to talk, you just want to make pronouncements about what other people think because you are CLEARLY so much smarter than them, so knock yourself out.
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that's what the message is these days.
Look, the paulson plan sucks. The problem is this - if the credit markets are not secured in a few days' time there will be financial armageddon. People will not be able to get credit which fuels small business in America, nor insurance. And Washington Mutual just collapsed. The Paulson plan stinks but there needs to be something in place to prop up the markets right now and yes a semi socialist plan is needed given that all this deregulation led to these rich fuckers gambling away these businesses on speculative bullshit you wouldn't believe (do you understand what shorting a stock is? WTF?). In my heart I'm utterly opposed to the Paulson plan, but rationally and pragmatically, if another Great Depression rolls around without one in place which we are on the verge of, people are going to wish we'd spent the money taxes be damned. -
Sep 26, 2008 10:41:34 AM CDT
MCCAIN CAMPAIGN CHIEF RICK DAVIS - STILL WORKING FOR FANNIE MAE
by bringingsexyback
And now McCain is calling for further DEregulation.
And Sarah Palin is standing on the one Alaskan island where you could see Russia ... and waiting for Putin to invade.
Lucifer's victory is nigh!!!! -
Have you seen Obama's interviews?
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Fucking racist, kevinwillis.
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Partytime! Excellent!
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"If that's not the kind of myopic thinking that plays into party politics, I don't know what is."
So if the Republican party is the lesser of two evils, I should be voting for the greater of two evils . . . in order to, what? Mix things up? Make it a party? Give evil a chance?
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then how the hell is he going to face the terrorists. McCain's become a goddamn pussy. He also should have realized before he picked Palin that she couldn't put two sentences together. Have you seen that Couric interview, it's painful. It's not like Couric was trying to trip her up. If anything Couric was handing her the answers.
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But thanks to inflation it's not worth much, sorry!
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Kevin- Fine, Arnold is RINO. But she isn't stupid she reads up and takes her time before she decides- she is an intelligent moderate, and would not blindly vote democrat. Arcadian- I'm not doubting that she has drawn out the far right. She has. She's also alienated everyone else. Reasons Palin is a terrible candidate (big picture and little picture): 1)She's a FUCKING Creationist. 2)She's a hypocrite (pork, bridge to nowhere) 3)She's got less loyalty than a rattlesnake 4)Rape Kit fiasco 5)She has no experience. At all. And don't give me this horseshit about executive experience being the thing- if she had been Governer of New York then it would be entirely different and you know it. 6)Her abortion stance alienates women 7)She attempted to ban books 8)It looks very likely that the Enquirer have her bang to rights as an adulterer. 9)She's got no foreign policy experience- to the extent that she's only left the US twice in her life. 10)She's very likely stupid- see that "Alaska provides 20% of America's oil" interview. Or not being able to pronounce Nuclear. 11)She's horrendously gaffe prone- see recent interview, or the fact that she said that she doesn't know what the VP did. Do you want me to continue this? She is a bad pick- for the country and therefore the world if she gets in, and unless she learns fucking fast she is a walking embarrassment to McCain,
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Fucking pathetic.
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You like fucking racists? What kind of sick freak are you?
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"Congress has an all time LOW approval rating when it's contrlloed by the Democrats?" === check those numbers, RatFink - the poll you're referring to was done by party affilliation.. The Dem faction of Congress has a much higher approval rating than Bush, but when you add in the incredibly low numbers for the GOP faction of Congress, the entire number gets dragged down below the threshold. Nice try with the talking points, though!
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Sep 26, 2008 10:44:31 AM CDT
WHAT WILL MCCAIN DO IN A DEBATE WHEN HE CAN'T SAY "MY FRIENDS"
by bringingsexyback
That's the REAL reason he's running scared.
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always right. Damn you.
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I'm referring to multiple polls. WTF are you talking about?
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Movin on up! To dee skkyyy!
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... but Palin is much worse. Come on. Admit it. She's a sexy version of Jane Swift. That's all.
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We are in End Times and we need to pray that our Anointed Palin does God's will. May Jesus protect her from witchcraft!!!
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Which ones are YOU referring to? See: WaPo, Gallup, Quinnipiac and Franklin Pierce.
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For once I agree with you. Biden is a fucking idiot, but not nearly as bad for the country as Palin would be. You know that right?
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Sep 26, 2008 10:49:45 AM CDT
MY FRIENDS, MY FRIENDS, THESE TALKBACKS ARE IN A DIRE SITUATION
by bringingsexyback
Lemme grab a sandwich!!!
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Biden pagiarised that gigantic failure Kinnock? Jesus christ- that's awful. Just as well there's bugger all chance of him getting anywhere near the top job. Unlike Palin.Mind you Sarah Palin does quote from fascists.
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You are the devil! You are a witch. Demon begone! kjdfkdjfkdfjd jjfjdjf dfhdj hfkdhfkdhf jdhfjdhjfhdf
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http://www.gallup.com/poll/108856/Congressional-Approval-Hits-RecordLow-14.aspx
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...is the only reason that McCain has a chance of winning. Remember this if you lose. You don't focus your attacks on flunkies. You don't focus on the flunkies lack of experience when you share that weakness. Obama should win by double-digits but Democrats are too incompetent to win against a candidate who's hated by his base. It is mind boggling. Granted, I hate them both so I lose either way, but every time a liberal friend brings up Palin (over and over again), I just shake my head and pity them.
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Do we need a national witchcraft shield? Mobile warlocks on underground train tracks? I hope someone asks him about this tonight. He's a total empty suit when it comes to the vital witchcraft issue on which Governor Palin has demonstrated bold leadership.
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Ok, so why was JFK killed? Well, I don't know that. But I DO know that part of the reason is that he was going to abolish the Federal Reserve."What's the Federal Reserve," you ask? Well, pull out one of those lovely dollar bills (or if you're truly special, maybe you have a five-spot on you!) you work so hard to earn. See at the top there, that section that says "Federal Reserve Note?" The Federal Reserve is the biggest scam in the history of this country (unless the bailout goes through, in which case it becomes the second-biggest).See, the "Dollar" is a unit of measure. It is equal to 371.25 grains of silver. How much is a grain? Put it this way, there are 480 grains to a troy ounce (the standard unit of measure for precious metals, such as - you guessed it - silver!).So going back to the measure of a Dollar, you have one pre-Federal Reserve U.S. Dollar equal to a little less than a troy ounce of silver. Want to take a stab at how much it costs in current USD to purchase a troy ounce of silver? THIRTY! $30.00 to buy a US Silver Dollar, which would cost you a little over a buck to buy back in the day.The point is, the U.S. Government has FUCKED with us for a very, VERY long time. In fact, it was known just how bad the Federal Reserve was going to be back when it was signed into law in 1913 by President Wilson. I'll quote the man himself:"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."And now for the scam: The Federal Reserve hires the U.S. Treasury to print money. They do not pay face value for it. They pay only for the cost of printing. They then, in turn, loan that money out to banks at face value. Then the banks loan it to YOU at face value, plus MORE interest. As it turns out, our money really IS worth the paper it's printed on, but no more. How fucking sad is that?My point in all this? Fuck this system. Fuck this Government by the rich, for the rich and OF the rich. LET THE BANKS FAIL. They got themselves into this mess, they should NOT get bailed out. You don't see that happening for local restaurants when they go under, nor do you see the people who are losing their homes get this preferential treatment. To quote the wonderful (fictional) Dr. Ian Malcom, "Life breaks free, expands to new territory, and crashes through barriers, painfully, maybe even dangerously." Life, in this situation, is the financial industry as we know it.It didn't work. Time to move on.
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McCain is a fool if he thinks that this stunt is going to help him. The only people who think that what he's doing is a good idea are hardline Republicans who were already going to vote for him no matter what. Everyone else seems to think he's being an idiot. Let Obama stand alone on that stage, it'd be more entertaining at the very least.
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Protect her from witchcraft!!
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As a stunt it was good. Yes the polls swung in their favor. But that's because she was a blank slate - people could project whatever they wanted onto her. The more she talks and fills in the blank, the pick will seem more and more unwise.
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There's nothing irrational about thinking Palin is bad.
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Wingnuts: "I don't understand this irrational hatred for Lucifer."
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"1)She's a FUCKING Creationist."
Yeah, I'm sure her Christianity is a big problem. You know the "Dinosarus were Satan's lizards" quote was bogus, right?
"2)She's a hypocrite (pork, bridge to nowhere)"
By which you mean, she is a politician. If you really believe Obama or Biden or McCain are not guilty of the same, if not worse, you're judging them selectively.
"3)She's got less loyalty than a rattlesnake"
While this certainly may be true, I don't know it and I don't see how you possibly can. Unless you have personal experience with her.
"4)Rape Kit fiasco"
Granted, that does not reflect well upon her, or the police chief at the time.
"5)She has no experience. At all. And don't give me this horseshit about executive experience being the thing- if she had been Governer of New York then it would be entirely different and you know it."
We'll have to agree to disagree. I think her experience counts, in some ways more than Obama's or McCain's.
"6)Her abortion stance alienates women"
Granted. McCain is also pro-life. I'm not sure how her abortion stance, except as exagerated in the media, could possibly have hurt McCain more than his own 100% pro-life record.
"7)She attempted to ban books"
She did not. Do some research. She never banned any books, never asked that any books be banned, and no books ever were banned. Period. You want to hold onto that, fine.
"8)It looks very likely that the Enquirer have her bang to rights as an adulterer."
They do not. At least, not yet. There's nothing there. Once she's caught outside a hotel room with her lovechild and hides for an hour in the bathroom, then they'll have her "bang to rights". I think the goal here is to keep the meme alive long enough to taint her. But, if she did do it, hey: it's just sex. What business is it of our what went on in her bedroom?
"9)She's got no foreign policy experience- to the extent that she's only left the US twice in her life."
Granted. I really don't think this is a deal-breaker, but for some people it may be.
"10)She's very likely stupid- see that 'Alaska provides 20% of America's oil' interview. Or not being able to pronounce Nuclear."
Yeah, okay. She's stupid. I'm sold.
"11)She's horrendously gaffe prone- see recent interview, or the fact that she said that she doesn't know what the VP did."
I don't think either of those are particularly major gaffes, in context. Certainly Biden and Obama have done worse. But, I don't think the McCain camp is helping her. I think she might be getting over-coached, and put on too short a leash. But, we'll see.
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Did you see Bill O'Reilly interview Obama? I believe BSB or someone posted it up above.
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Evil...quite the interesting and polarizing choice of words there. Especially when you consider what has been occuring within the Republican party over the last decade or so. But I can see by reading your posts that you probably have a history of voting on party principle with only the occasional temptation to vote the other way. I can respect that. But looking at the candidates and their respective VPs (and all that implies), I don't see how one wouldn't consider a serious gut-check for this election.
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At the link citing the formep LAPD officer the main topic was a man named "Reinhardt" and how he picked Sept.15 as an economic melt down well before it happened. Very long complex thread.
To support the American union theory;
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24314360-2703,00.html
Harper calls snap election
Mr Harper called the October 14 vote after nearly 2 1/2 years of struggling to govern with a minority government.
The Conservative leader, who is aiming to get closer to an absolute majority in the 308-seat legislature, said the election would show voters the contrast between right and left economic and environmental policies.
http://americajr.com/news/vicentefox0912.html
Sunday, 14 September, 2008 9:05 PM
Vicente Fox Favors a North American Union with a Common Currency and Criticizes U.S. Immigration Policy
DETROIT – Former Mexican President Vicente Fox criticized the U.S. immigration policy and outlined his plan for a North American Union on Friday in Detroit. He addressed a crowd of 1,500 during the kickoff of the second season Wayne State University's Forum on Contemporary Issues in Society (FOCIS). The speech was followed by a book-signing session. -
Sep 26, 2008 10:56:17 AM CDT
ANYONE GOT A VIDEO OF AFRICAN WITCH HUNTERS LAYING HANDS ON JOE
by bringingsexyback
And calling on Jesus to protect him from witchcraft?
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can I borrow some bread?
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I thought Biden was a good choice for Obama. I think the gaffes are sometimes a little over the top, but still forgivable. Hillary might have been better, but Biden is hardly a tragic pick for Obama. I'm apparently out of the mainstream when it comes to my analysis of VP choices.
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... would have been Bill Weld.
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You can have part of my sandwich. You like fresh mootzerelle?
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Who cares. One thing came out of this though- I dislike David Letterman with a passion now. He isn't even funny anymore- he is just a senile old man spouting off. I remember back when he started at CBS, he said he would stay away from OJ jokes because "I don't find double homocides all that damn funny". Fast forward to today, where he injects his idiotic opinions in every monologue. They aren't even jokes- they are just old man ramblings. Kind of reminds me of my 70 year old dad.
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The system has managed to manipulate you cheerleaders for either side.
When half the populace is angry and divided they are easy to manipulate.
Not one of you has mentioned just what you want from government, and how we all want health care for our children for example.
Instead you are only attacking the other guy.
This is all by design. When you argue you fail to find a common ground.
Is it any wonder that both parties keep third party candidates out of the debates? Wouldn't Nader/Barr/McKinney reflect your needs better than either of the mainstream parties?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Perot
At one point in June, Perot led the polls with 39% (versus 31% for Bush and 25% for Clinton). Just prior to the debates, Perot received 7-9% support in nationwide polls. It is likely that the debates played a significant role in his ultimate receipt of 19% of the popular vote. Although his answers during the debates were often general, many Democrats and Republicans conceded that Perot won at least the first debate.
Jesse ventura won by getting the greater margin in a three way race. Perot got 19% even after going bat shit crazy and dropping out!
You have two choices, either you find common ground and start acting to place politicians who support your own needs and the future needs of your children, or you remain tools of a corrupt system that grows ever more distant from the people it is supposed to support.
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I've ever witnessed. Mind showing your work on that one?
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Cause my tv died :(
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That paper leans to the right of Darth Vader, man. Bill Loeb used to run editorials with titles like "Kissenger the Kike". I mean... come on.
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OXFORD, Mississippi (CNN) -- Sen. John McCain will attend the first presidential debate as planned Friday night, his campaign announced.
Workers put the finishing touches on the debate stage at the University of Mississippi on Thursday.
McCain said earlier this week he would not attend the debate if an agreement had not been reached on a $700 billion bailout plan for Wall Street.
The outcome was up in the air Friday as lawmakers scrambled to agree on a plan.
But by midday, McCain's campaign said the Republican presidential nominee believed enough progress had been made for him to travel to Mississippi to participate in the debate, set for 9 p.m. ET at the University of Mississippi campus.
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"But looking at the candidates and their respective VPs (and all that implies), I don't see how one wouldn't consider a serious gut-check for this election."
That's a fair question. Understanding that I still really like Sarah Palin, and consider most of the negative publicity around her a variation on bullshit, and would prefer the most actually conservative candidate, generally, there's a lot I like about Obama, and I definitely think he's the better campaigner. He's the best campaigner, and best candidate, the Democrats have had since Clinton, and I think he's the likely winner in this campaign, quite frankly. I also think Biden was a good Veep choice, and I'm not down with all the Obama/Biden hate from my right-wing brethren. And I think McCain is a moron for ever pulling this skip-the-debate stunt. For a million reasons, that was stupid.
Frankly, if Obama was a little more conservative--not promising to raise capital gains taxes, not promoting a global poverty initiative, etc--I think I'd pick him over McCain. But I'd still pick Palin over either of them, but (and perhaps I'm delusional) I do not at all buy into the media template about Palin, or the negative media campaign she's been hit with, nor do I think the Gibson or Couric interviews lacked in anti-Palin bias. But, perhaps I'm willfully delusional on the issue.
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Finally, something (other than Transformers) we can agree on.
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1) so being a Creationist means you can hold elected office? Didn't we have a war against England over this issue?
2) Bridge to nowhere - she inherited that bridge. It wasn't hers. And she turned it down and sent the money back.
3) just 'saying' someone has less loyalty than a rattlesnake is just hyperbole. Where's that come from?
4) Victims were not charged for Rape Kits in Wasilla, Alaska. The bill was submitted to their insurance carriers. Those who didn't have insurance, did not pay. My own home town, which has had a Democrat Mayor for the last 80+ years, does the same thing. Where's the outrage here?
5)Palin has the same level of experience that Governor Bill Clinton had when he ran for President (not Vice-President) and was elected. You and your associates were strangely silent about his lack of experience then.
6) you do realize that a very large portion of this country's voting population is Pro-Life? And that four-fifths of those who claim membership to Right To Life are in fact, women? Obama's refusal (four times) to support legislation that provided emergency medical care to babies who survived an abortion alienates anyone with any measure of decency. A baby intended to be aborted is born alive, and Obama feels that providing emergency medical care to this newborn baby is, in his OWN WORDS, "an undue burden upon the mother whose decision to have an abortion must be respected." Fabulous character, that one. Let a newborn baby expire on a shelf because he doesn't want to BURDEN anybody with its care. Thats frightening.
7) banning books: now you're just making up stories. She sent a letter to someone in charge of school libraries (forgive me for not knowing the ins and outs of school administration)and asked, "what is our response plan in the event that books in our libraries are ordered to be removed?" How, in any world, does that translate into "PALIN BANS BOOKS!" ? Seriously, how?
8) So a media that is THIRSTY for dirt on Palin totally misses an adultery story, and the crack Woodward & Bernstien -esque fraternity of investigative journalists as The National Enquirer break this story? The same crew that discovered the wolfboys of Brazil, and Elvis at Area 51? This story MUST have teeth if that periodical is breaking it wide open. By the way, did you hear about the lawsuits now being filed against them for this story? Sixteen of them, mostly by people who were paid for the interview and now claim that their words were changed or altered and that the story was made up. Lets let those lawsuits develop before we start leveling judgement? I slept with my mom once. Hows that for a headline? Oh yeah, I was 2.5 years old and had nightmares so I slept in my parents room. Nevermind the details when you have a REAL SCANDAL on your hands, amirite?
9) What's Obama's foreign policy experience? Oh right, he campaigned for President of the Earff a few weeks back. Oh and then there was his trip to Iraq where he urged the provisional govt there to 'hold off on any troop withdrawal decisions until after the election' - guess he didn't expect them to go to the press with those comments. Oh sure Sarah Palin can see Russia from her house. Obama can see The Weather Underground from his.
10)"She's likely very stupid becaus she pronounces "nuclear" wrong. uh, thats the same way Al Gore does, guy. Is he stupid too? I think your list just went one point too long - you're out of gas and sputtering
11)she's gaffe prone? Right like the time she asked her "good friend" in the Missouri state government to stand up for the crowd - y'know, the ONE IN THE WHEEL CHAIR. Or how about the time she said Hillary would be a better VP choice. Oh wait - that's right: those are YOUR VP's gaffes. My mistake.
Do I want to continue this? By "this" you mean me having to actually explain the truth behind all the silly little halftruths and lies you posted (and a few unsupported jibes because you wanted a nice long list)? Sure - come up with a few more lies and I'll try to clarify them for you. -
This is all part of their plan for global enslavement.
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It's not liberal vs. conservative. Obama's a technocrat. McCain isn't. It's the 21st Century.
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http://www.ushistory.org/Declaration/document/index.htm
The Unanimous Declaration
of the Thirteen United States of America
When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. --Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world.
He has refused his assent to laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his governors to pass laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of representation in the legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved representative houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the legislative powers, incapable of annihilation, have returned to the people at large for their exercise; the state remaining in the meantime exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavored to prevent the population of these states; for that purpose obstructing the laws for naturalization of foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migration hither, and raising the conditions of new appropriations of lands.
He has obstructed the administration of justice, by refusing his assent to laws for establishing judiciary powers.
He has made judges dependent on his will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, standing armies without the consent of our legislature.
He has affected to render the military independent of and superior to civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his assent to their acts of pretended legislation:
For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment for any murders which they should commit on the inhabitants of these states:
For cutting off our trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing taxes on us without our consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of trial by jury:
For transporting us beyond seas to be tried for pretended offenses:
For abolishing the free system of English laws in a neighboring province, establishing therein an arbitrary government, and enlarging its boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule in these colonies:
For taking away our charters, abolishing our most valuable laws, and altering fundamentally the forms of our governments:
For suspending our own legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated government here, by declaring us out of his protection and waging war against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burned our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large armies of foreign mercenaries to complete the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of cruelty and perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow citizens taken captive on the high seas to bear arms against their country, to become the executioners of their friends and brethren, or to fall themselves by their hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavored to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian savages, whose known rule of warfare, is undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
In every stage of these oppressions we have petitioned for redress in the most humble terms: our repeated petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Nor have we been wanting in attention to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, enemies in war, in peace friends.
We, therefore, the representatives of the United States of America, in General Congress, assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the name, and by the authority of the good people of these colonies, solemnly publish and declare, that these united colonies are, and of right ought to be free and independent states; that they are absolved from all allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the state of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as free and independent states, they have full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and to do all other acts and things which independent states may of right do. And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor. -
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
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Agreeing with me is inevitable. Let's hug.
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"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."
OH MY GOD THE FOUNTERS OF OUR NATION WERE CREATIONISTS. THAT FAILS LOST JARV'S FIRST RULE OF VIABLE CANDIDACY!! OUR WHOLE NATION WAS FOUNDED BY INDIVDUALS ILL-PREPARED FOR THE JOB!
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McCain going to the debate just shatters his argument, fragile as it is. Sorry Ace.
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Little birds in the blogosphere say so.
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I think it's so funny that people believe that McCain is afraid to debate because he wants to delay it. He was the one who asked Obama to have Town Hall meetings and debates over the summer and Obama refused. He's been wanting to get his chance at debating with Obama. Why? Because Obama is a terrible debater. He can't answer questions straight. I'll admit he has great charisma and can give a speech. But when it comes to questioning, he does like most politicians (especially, as I've noticed, Democrats). He tries to work himself out of the question. He has to think about what his answers will be because he isn't sure. He's afraid of answering the wrong way and offending someone. If what makes a great President is making great speeches, then Obama has it. But that's not how it works.
As for them being afraid of Palin debating. That has to be even more BS than McCain being afraid of debating. I believe that even Palin could go up against Obama. I'd really like to see that. Palin has only looked bad because the media has made her that way. They've been looking for ways to bring her down, and they couldn't. The interviews that most people see are edited (very badly I might add). Then Palin would answer a question directly, but the interviewer (at least in ABC's case) would continue to ask the question pretending that she didn't answer it, when in fact she did. Then what she says is usually taken out of context and ran over and over again. Whereas Biden is saying dumber and dumber things each day and only gets a brief mention. Did people forget that when he was bashing McCain because he was a Senator and couldn't help the country in his time in office, that Biden was in the same office? And the time that Biden admitted that Hilary was a better candidate than him? Come on. The guy's an idiot. Palin could run circles around him.
If people would actually watch unedited, unbiases interviews with Palin, they might see her for who she really is, and not what most of the media is feeding you. I'm glad that Matt Lauer was finally questioning Obama about some recent events (including Biden being an idiot candidate). Obama couldn't answer the question (typical). He kept trying to get out of it and Matt continued to question him. When a candidate can't give a straight answer, that's when you keep questioning them, not when they give you a straight answer, even if you don't agree with the answer. Too bad the rest of the media isn't questioning Obama.
As for McCain and Obama needing to be in Washington, I agree. McCain sees that he was voted into office as a Senator as a voice for the people he elected. If he chooses not to be there, especially in something so critical, then he isn't doing his job as a Senator. He's not being that voice that people voted him for. Obama doesn't get that. Two years ago, it seemed he did. He said that he made a promise to the people who elected him as Senator that he would fulfill his position as Senator and not leave it to seek a Presidency. But now he's choosing to ignore his reponsibilities of his current job in a major crisis in order to seek a bigger job. People being angry over McCain suspending his campaign over this is only proving that this couldn't be a political move. Saying that a President has to deal with more than one thing at a time is true. I agree with that. But if the President had to choose between fulfilling his duties to his country in a crisis and a peace conference meeting in another country, I would hope he would stay in Washington. The peace conference (like the debates) can be delayed. Those in the conference would understand (or at least I would hope they would). A President can't be in more than one place at a time. If your child or wife was very ill or was in a serious accident and you had an important meeting at work. Which would you choose? To stay home with your family until everything is OK and delay the meeting or just go to the meeting? This situation isn't much of a difference. Just on a bigger scale, which makes it even more important. -
Sep 26, 2008 11:18:20 AM CDT
NOW ARCADIAN IS COMPARING SARAH PALIN TO GEORGE WASHINGTON
by bringingsexyback
Hold you? You need a strait jacket, freak.
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Sep 26, 2008 11:18:29 AM CDT
uh for the idiots who still slam McCain's 'not using email'
by arcadiands
he's disabled as a result of his injuries during his bailout and subsequent imprisonment by enemy military forces. His injuries render him unable to use a computer - oh he *could* use one, but at about the speed of a newborn chicken pecking out keys at random.
So yeah lets all ridicule the cripple! we can't have a cripple be President!
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Maybe the Justice League movie is going to get made.
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I offer the milk of truth!!!!!!
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is that a deniable fact? And Im pretty sure my comparison ended there, unless you have more to share.
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Sep 26, 2008 11:21:39 AM CDT
GEORGE WASHINGTON DIDN'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OF 230 YEARS
by bringingsexyback
of scientific studies and advances too, genius. Keep going.
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If u go on youtube there is a whole video from Palin speaking at a church talking about how dinosaurs never existed. On another note how can u republicans still be for McCain? It's the right side leadership that has crippled this country to one of the lowest points it has ever been. to me it seems people are still afraid of the black man.
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The debate will go on!
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It makes Obama seem like his priorities are hosed. That emphasizes one of Obama's weaknesses... the perception that he's all marketing.
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Sep 26, 2008 11:22:37 AM CDT
And I really REALLY hope that the Obama supporters are right
by arcadiands
I hope that he IS a good and honest man. I hope that he IS a capable and wise leader. I hope that he DOES have a plan that is good for this country and I hope that he IS the right man for the job.
Because there's a chance he can win - and if he does, for the sake of us all, we need this to be correct. I do not believe that it is, but thats just my one vote in the issue. If my vote falls within the minority of the electoral vote count, then I pray to the Creationist God that Obama is indeed all these things. I dont think he is, but thats why his campain is all about "Hope" - we all better hope if he wins, that he learns quick. -
Witchcraft.
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here's your opportunity to give us a bullet list of these studies and advances. I'd love to see them.
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I'd prefer she was at the top of the ticket. She's the most refreshing national political figure since Reagan.
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okay that was funny.
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Doesn't mean I don't like Sarah Palin.
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Sep 26, 2008 11:25:31 AM CDT
Just Because Your Tortured Doesn't Mean You Get To Rule The Free
by what the duck
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Obama is all of that, and more. He will set this country right and we'll all be better for it.
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"I'd prefer she was at the top of the ticket. She's the most refreshing national political figure since Reagan."====== You mean post-Alzheimers Reagan... right?
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and he believed that we were created by 'something' but chose to not affix a label or identity to that something. He was a 'creationist' in a generic sense, but distanced himself from Christians. He believed that the Old Testament was indeed the word of Jehovah, but remained skeptical about the New Testament and the diety of Jesus.
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just because you are obtuse doesn't mean you just made a point.
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Palin does not believe that counts as Christian.
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http://www.freelevi.org
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this election year is all about finding someone to keep the seat warm until we get a real President.
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Do you really think Reagan was refreashing. Im not sure if he was ever really "aware" he was president Jellybean anyone?
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The fact that we can sit here and debate endless on who is right or wrong, but it's being done so on an ENTERTAINMENT website. So at least we all have THAT in common. Because if a machine can learn the value of human life...maybe we can too.
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Mitch McConnell just put Judd Gregg in charge of the GOP negotiations. That's a REAL interesting choice. At least it isn't that hosebag Sununu.
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It was never off to begin with. You need to work on your spin better.
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Everything I put up was easily sourced. But we'll go over it again. Creationism- fine, she's not king. I get this. However, she has said that this is something she believes in. Pork- She's a hypocrite. And I wasn't referring to the Bridge (because I haven't bothered reading up on it- I never refer to it). I was referring to the massive amount of earmarks she's sent back to her town. Rape Kits. I'm not going to waste my breath telling you why this is dreadful, but if you really think it's ok then, well, fuck. Experience. Bill however, had left the country more than twice. Bill on the other hand was not hailed as having the most experience of all the candidates. Terrible. The majority of women are pro-choice. They certainly do not conform to her rabidly pro-life positions. Book banning. No I'm not making it up. I am prepared to concede that Letters to Wasilla may be made up by a disgruntled employee but the lack of action suggests that the woman has it bang on. Foriegn policy experience- She did not own a passport until she was in her 40's. She has left the country TWICE. My god. Adultery- the NAtional Enquirer was good enough for you when it was trashing Edwards, but I am prepared to admit that it is a scurrilous rag. However, if they do have the evidence they say they do, then expect to see it in other sources soon. If it turns out to be a "Ghost of Elvis had my Alien lovechild" story then I will admit to being wrong. Stupidity. There's hundreds of examples- how about linking the Iraq war to Al Qaeda in a speech recently. That was either stupidity or a monstrous gaffe. What about not knowing what VP does- if she's stupid then fine- if not then again I stand corrected. Gaffe prone. She's gaffe prone, so is biden. If you look above I said Biden was a bad pick. I still think he is. as to you're bullshit attempt to spin away a sample of the things against her (there's more), I'd like to congratulate you on a great job. I bet it convinced a few people. But everything I put up is checkable very, very easily. Here's another 2 for you- She quotes from fascists and she saw that fucking witchdocter. Please spin away.
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McCain doesn't actually have any fully laid out positions on Net Neutrality, the 700MHz auction, or other information economy issues.
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And that used to count as being a Christian.
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are you honestly trying to say that the beliefs of people (as great as they were) hundreds of years ago are remotely comparable to the beliefs held by people nowadays? Good luck with that.
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The more people are exposed to her, the more they grow to HATE her voice. It's a stupid, superficial thing, and a terrible thing upon which to base your vote - but would YOU want to be hearing the Yukon version of Fran Dresher every nightg on your TV for the next eight years?
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in fact, and its been a while since I was in school, but just about ALL flavors of Protestant and Catholic = Creationist.
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Sep 26, 2008 11:38:58 AM CDT
ANCHORITE - YOUR MCCAIN FANTASY IS AT ODDS WITH REALITY
by bringingsexyback
McCain showed up at the White House and did not say a word until the meeting is over. Then he dropped a piece of paper given to him by House Reps - an outline for a proposal to have the government insure trillions worth of toxic securities (kinda like AIG to the Nth degree), deregulate more, and lower cap gains tax - and walked out.
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don't consider Unitarians to be Christians. They don't think Mormons or Catholics are Christians either.
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Word on the street is that Paulson brought Obama in on the White House meeting yesterday to negotiate on the bailout and Obama opened on the house republicam plan, sending the meeting into chaos. There was never a deal. It is a democratic lie, as always. They are trying to blame McCain for Obama's failure. I kenw ths smelled funny. Obama is a failure. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid have majorities in both houses of congress. They don't need the republicans to pass a bailout. They are both failures. The just want to bailout their flunkies.
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your last monologue contained more fantasy fiction than a R.A. Salvatore hardback, so you might want to hold all ROFLing until the end.
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Yeah, I'd like to see all this scientific research. Science has yet to disprove God's existence or that we were created by something higher than ourselves. In fact, it's practically proved it. Science, no matter the theory, has shown that something powerful had to kickstart life on our planet. They just can't figure out what it is (or want to admit it). There are several books out there written by scientists who set out to disprove God only to finally realize that He existed. I wish I could think of them off the top of my head, especially since I have debated on purchasing one of those books myself to see what they have to say. All this Science vs. Faith is ridiculous. A lot of that actually comes from centuries of religious people bashing science and now that divide has turned on them. But how can someone look at the scientific knowledge that we have today and see how complicated the universe, the ecosystem, and even our own bodies are and believe that it was all created by accident and not by design? To me science backs faith.
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Catholics believe in Evolution. I'm pretty sure Episcopalians are evolutionists too.
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a majority can pass the bill, but you need a full TWO THIRDS of all votes to approve any spending in the Senate.
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Whaaaaa?
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I agree that neither Obama nor McCain are great candidates for President. But those are the choices we are faced with. Yeah, there are other parties, but we know they will never get the attention needed to be elected (and most of them rightfully so). The only hope we had may have been if Bloomberg decided to run after leaving the Republican party and going independant. Just like previous elections before this, you just have to go with the "lesser evil".
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most republicans sound. Being a democrat, being an American, I feel we have on obligation to help those less fortunate than us. Reupblicans say, "AHH! Get away! Don't take my money! I need this iphone!" Jesus Christ! Only the rich people are going to get taxed more.
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And you never will. Like I said, we're going to have to agree to disagree. I also don't agree that Biden was a bad pick. I think he was a smart pick in any way. A few things, tho:
"National Enquirer was good enough for you when it was trashing Edwards, but I am prepared to admit that it is a scurrilous rag."
I didn't think much of their trashing of Edwards. I don't think it's really any of their damn business, quite frankly. But, so far, they've produced zero evidence on Palin, just hearsay. When they come up with something substantial, we can talk, but quite frankly I still wouldn't consider it any of their damn business.
"Pork- She's a hypocrite. And I wasn't referring to the Bridge (because I haven't bothered reading up on it- I never refer to it). I was referring to the massive amount of earmarks she's sent back to her town."
She didn't send back any "earmarks". Earmarks are a way of attaching unrelated spending to bills to get pork back to a city or state. She was asking for pork, not making any statement that suggested it should be attached to unrelated legislation. All governors do it. Yes, she is being less than completely forthright on the Bridge to Nowhere. And she did get a lot of that money and spend it.I understand the problem with the rape kits, and agree that's a bad policy. It was Palin's police chief that enforced it, and she could have tried to change the policy and did not. Her bad.
She said we were fighting the same people in Iraq who perpetrated 9/11--i.e., Al Quaeda. There's a reason why the military and the politicians refer to Al Quaeda in Iraq. Maybe they weren't there until we came over, but everyone apparently agrees they are there now. Thus, we are indeed fighting the same people in Iraq that perpetrated 9/11, though it may be our fault that they are there in first place.
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...does McCain sleep in a cage? Sorta like Keaton in Batman 89....when he slept suspended upside down when Kim Basinger woke up after a night of getting fucked proper. Anyway....what if at home McCain sleeps on a bamboo rug covered in a mound of dried leaves with a small can of tiger piss by his head to remind him of the good old days when he used to party like a rockstar in a tiger cage with his pals Da' Cong.
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I believe the old saying is: "Democrats whine about how unfair life is. Republicans ensure that it is."
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Now if only McCain can remember if he is still for a Deal on the Bailout or not. Kinda hard to claim he's confident in his postition or better informed if he doesn't even remember that ?
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I need my frickin' iPhone. You keep your socialist paws off it, you welfare queen.
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... the National Enquirer has had their shit together.
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It was reasoned and balanced. I even said that if events unfold to show otherwise I'll hold my hands up. Obisdawn- you're deliberately going at that bass-ackwards. Science does not have to disprove the existence of god. Science has to prove that he exists. So far this is manifestly not the case- but religion collapses when held to scrutiny- as God is meant to be taken on faith. Something beyond science. Me, I don't know if God exists or not, but that was pathetic.
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There, I said it!
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...apparently, you NEVER saw "Dumb and Dumber." I can't wait 'till the VP debate, when Palin can't answer a single question but shows the panel how she can light a fart.
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I'm a Christian. I believe in Evolution. The only anti-evolution tracts I ever received were from dyed-in-the-wool Democrats. Anecdotal, take it for what you will, but I'm positive the folks who handed me the "Myth of Evolution" tracts at the place I used to work are going to be voting Obama.
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Looking for that video...can't find it. I see the one where she prays that soldiers in Iraq will do God's will (which is different from saying that the war is God's will). The closest I can come to an actual quote is a second-hand accusation from a Palin opponent.
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Sep 26, 2008 11:52:18 AM CDT
I was going to vote McCain until Palin's affair...
by dannyglovers_dickblood
...came out. I would never vote for two adulterers. I'm a Christian/Conservative.....but they are the moral authority that should be leading by example under the foundation of Jesus Christ. They have let me down. Both of them. -
The Policies you want the Dinsoaurs you NEED!
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"but would YOU want to be hearing the Yukon version of Fran Dresher every nightg on your TV for the next eight years?"
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Sep 26, 2008 11:53:17 AM CDT
MOONBATS! HERE'S A VIDEO OF MCCAIN USING A COMPUTER
by bringingsexyback
Suck it!
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I heard an audio clip on the radio. I don't know if there is video or just audio....she said, "THIS WAR IS GOD'S WILL...."
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"The only anti-evolution tracts I ever received were from dyed-in-the-wool Democrats. I'm positive the folks who handed me the "Myth of Evolution" tracts at the place I used to work are going to be voting Obama".======= Dude, that doesn't make even the tiniest amount of sense.
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ONE HOUSE
ONE SPOUSE
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about it being none of anyone's business. If it's wrong then I will say so- if it's not then so be it. Sorry about the pork thing. Lazy terminolgy on my behalf. I stand corrected. Iraq and Al Qaeda- slip of my brain- I meant she linked Iraq to 9/11. I am officially more stupid than Palin. Very sorry. Anyhoo, now I'm a confirmed cretin back to the point.... She's a fucking terrible candidate. Christ. She's really, really awful and I'm astounded that Americans can't see this.
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HATE THE GOOKS
COOK THE MOOSE
McCain /Palin 08
Nah. That doesn't work...
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Personal, direct experience. These same folks sported "Kerry/Edwards" buttons. They just didn't like Evil-lution.
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I mean... really.
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Nancy Pelosi and Harry reid can pas anything they want. They wont do it because they now the Paulson deal is bad. Obama filed last night. He screwed up the meetings in the whitehouse. All of his flunkies have their hands all over this mess. Rueben, Raine, Gorelick, Johnson. etc. Where the hell is Joe "MBNA" Biden at?
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She's a fucking terrible candidate. Christ. She's really, really awful and I'm astounded that Americans can't see this.
I'm just not sure we agree on that. I don't think it's that they "can't" see it, it's that they don't see it like you.
To perhaps both our points, William F. Buckley once said: "I am obliged to confess I should sooner live in a society governed by the first two thousand names in the Boston telephone directory than in a society governed by the two thousand faculty members of Harvard University."The folks that agree with Bill Buckley on that point also like Sarah Palin. Go figure. -
but I draw the line at witch-hunting pastors.
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No one wants to lose an election in such a stupid way. This will be an interesting debate. And last night's Supernatural was awesome.
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McCain refused to reach across party lines to get the bailout deal passed. Obama showed he will.
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(CNN) – Former Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee said Friday the John McCain made a "huge mistake" by even floating the possibility he would not appear at the first presidential debate as planned.
“You can’t just say, ‘World stop for a moment. I’m going to cancel everything,” Huckabee told the Associated Press Thursday.
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he's misquoting himself and attempting to back down from what he said. Here's examples:
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Creationism- fine, she's not king. I get this. However, she has said that this is something she believes in." - except you listed this as a reason she is NOT a good candidate for public office. Now all of a sudden yo usay "I get this. I guess its okay." way to back down from your loudspeaker.
"Pork- She's a hypocrite. And I wasn't referring to the Bridge (because I haven't bothered reading up on it- I never refer to it). I was referring to the massive amount of earmarks she's sent back to her town." You specifically said, "Bridge to nowhere" so yes, you WERE referring to it specifically and exclusively. You did NOT make any blanket statements about her spending policies in general (which are WAAAY down in her administration). You said "bridge to nowhere" and nothing more. Now you claim you weren't even referring to it. You're amazing.
"Rape Kits. I'm not going to waste my breath telling you why this is dreadful, but if you really think it's ok then, well, fuck." - Im not saying its okay. Im saying you're twisting the truth. No victim of rape was ever charged a SINGLE PENNY for a 'rape kit' - it was passed on to any insurance carrier who said, "oh yeah we cover those!" and was NOT billed to the victim if the insurance carrier denied the claim. Its like this in MANY cities in our country. Im not saying its okay - Im saying its not fair to hold Wasilla, Alaska to a higher standard than every other city in our union.
"Experience. Bill however, had left the country more than twice. Bill on the other hand was not hailed as having the most experience of all the candidates. Terrible." - Bill was a governor of a low population, blue collar state and ran on a ticket of executive experience and a personal connection to 'small town America' - and now all of a sudden that's not good enough for the VICE presidency (remember: Palin isn't running for President).
"The majority of women are pro-choice. They certainly do not conform to her rabidly pro-life positions. - you are statistically incorrect. In May of 2008, Gallup released a poll that showed that only 13% of the potential voters this year will insist that a candidate share their same view on abortion. 37% said it was "not a major issue". source: gallop.com
"Book banning. No I'm not making it up. I am prepared to concede that Letters to Wasilla may be made up by a disgruntled employee but the lack of action suggests that the woman has it bang on." - lack of action? Im confused here. You're saying that because she hasn't UNbanned any books, that this must mean she's in favor of banning them? I referenced the same emails already. she was asking what the RESPONSE PLAN would be in the event that books WERE to be removed. If I ask someone, 'whats the response plan if there is a fire here?' does that make me an arsonist??
"Foriegn policy experience- She did not own a passport until she was in her 40's. She has left the country TWICE. My god." - which is why she shouldn't be at the top of this ticket. I would imagine that because McCain has MASSIVE experience here, he decided his running mate shouldn't necessarily be redundant. Obama's pick of Biden mirrors that same logic. Biden has massive FP experience to supplement Obama's complete lack. Oh wait - owning a passport is like having a diploma in foreign policy now.
"Adultery- the NAtional Enquirer was good enough for you when it was trashing Edwards, but I am prepared to admit that it is a scurrilous rag. However, if they do have the evidence they say they do, then expect to see it in other sources soon. If it turns out to be a "Ghost of Elvis had my Alien lovechild" story then I will admit to being wrong." - truth dosage: I was skeptical of the Edwards story from the very start - specifically because of the source. And Im not saying they are wrong here, either - Im taking the same exact position as I did with the Edwards story: skeptical. You should do the same. You would expect us to give you that same respect, wouldn't you?
"Stupidity. There's hundreds of examples- how about linking the Iraq war to Al Qaeda in a speech recently. That was either stupidity or a monstrous gaffe. What about not knowing what VP does- if she's stupid then fine- if not then again I stand corrected." - Hillary made the same link. Al Gore made the same link. Joe Biden made the same link. The list goes on. If Sarah is stupid for this, then you have to declare the overwhelming majority of elected Democratic officials stupid for the same reason. saying "the list goes on" is another way of saying, "I dont have any more examples to offer."
"Gaffe prone. She's gaffe prone, so is biden. If you look above I said Biden was a bad pick. I still think he is." - Obama is gaffe prone. McCain is gaffe prone. Hillary said some doozies, and lets not even START with Bill Clinton. If being 'gaffe prone' was a disqualification for public office, we'd have no government anymore. This wasn't even a valid topic. You threw it in as an afterthought. let it go. there's real meat to chew on instead.
"as to you're bullshit attempt to spin away a sample of the things against her (there's more), I'd like to congratulate you on a great job. I bet it convinced a few people. But everything I put up is checkable very, very easily." - which is exactly what I did when you mentioned something that I had not previously been exposed to. I did some googles and just posted what I read. I hadn't heard the whole Rape Kit thing before, so I went to google News and read about 8 articles (from real newspapers. I dont read ANY blogs). You might want to do the same, because more than 4 times here, you backed up from a statement or outright contradicted yourself when approached with some actual 'checking up'."
"Here's another 2 for you- She quotes from fascists and she saw that fucking witchdocter." - you might want to read one of Obama's books before you start throwing around fascists associations to candidates. He's written that he always felt a closeness to the marxists on campus and felt there was they had some positions he could agree with. its the old story about slinging mud - everyone's dirty.
"Please spin away." - so just to understand you here, everything you've said is "checkable" and truthful, and anything anyone else says that doesn't entirely agree with you = "spin." you have the limitless arrogance of Barak Obama. I see why you like him. -
Mooseilini is breathtakingly stupid.
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made Buckley a persona non grata and more or less repudiated everything he believed in.
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Please, missing this debate was never an option regardless of what was said in the media. McCain's staffers' response was along the lines of: "Sir, you can NOT let your opponent sit on stage for a nationally televised debate BY HIMSELF for two hours to have free reign over the airwaves without you there to respond. If you do that you may as well withdraw from the race."
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So what you're saying is that I'm anti democracy when you're pro. That is the biggest load of bullshit ever- and actually seriously insulting. I think she is a fucking terrible candidate, but I'm not advocating some sort of stupid Academocracy. If anything it seems to me that you are advocating being governed by only those people who's surname starts with the letter A. Don't be silly- at no point have I said that I'm anti democracy, but let me ask you this, if you'd had any say in picking the VP would you honestly have voted for her?
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That's the same buzz word they used against Mike Dukakis. And Dukakis was certainly a smarter and more honest man than his presidential opponent.
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Makes my talkbacking much easier.
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We need to get these assholes out of Washington.
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http://tinyurl.com/3mq4zx Pentecostals believe in "baptism in the Holy Spirit." That can manifest itself through speaking in tongues, modern-day prophesy and faith healing, which includes the laying on of hands.
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But, if you wanna think so, go ahead. Certainly, Buckley was opposed to pre-emptive wars (a reasonable stand) and was pro-drug legalization (even better!). Alas, Buckley never ran for office.Also, those were hardly the only things he believed in. Buckley favored a strong standing military and lower taxes.
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Shouldn't you be out looking for Cheech and Chong?
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Although to be clear, I'm not suggesting anyone is anti-Democracy here.
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I cast thee OUT foul DEMONS of the ECONOMY!!!! Begone or I shall smite thee with my Holy Lipstick of the LORD!!
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Sep 26, 2008 12:10:17 PM CDT
Republicans are getting start getting quiet....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
...real quiet. This race is over and they know it.
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but I think the Neos are seeing her as their future pointman. They will make her one of them.
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Quiet...What are you basing that on?
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Sep 26, 2008 12:12:41 PM CDT
Coughlins Laws -- its over fucker...admit it.
by dannyglovers_dickblood
No way in hell could the campaign recover from this. I say keep letting Palin talk....keep putting her in front of the camera. MCCAIN'S CAMPAIGN IS SLOWLY IMPLODING AND IT GIVES ME A HARD ON TO WATCH!!
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A more accurate analogy is that, culturally, she's Mike Huckabee with a vaginBLLLLUUUUURRRRAAAAGGGHHHHHH
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Kevin I actually agree with you
by Lost Jarv Sep 26th, 2008
11:56:45 AM
about it being none of anyone's business. If it's wrong then I will say so- if it's not then so be it.
Sorry about the pork thing. Lazy terminolgy on my behalf. I stand corrected.
Iraq and Al Qaeda- slip of my brain- I meant she linked Iraq to 9/11. I am officially more stupid than Palin. Very sorry. Anyhoo, now I'm a confirmed cretin back to the point....
She's a fucking terrible candidate. Christ. She's really, really awful and I'm astounded that Americans can't see this.
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A post full of 'oh I guess I was wrong about that, too' and capped with a 'but the heart of what I said is still the truth, so that justifies my flawed facts!'
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I'm talking voters-- not Republican politicians.
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Sep 26, 2008 12:15:38 PM CDT
BringingSexyBack - The most correct thing ever said in a TB
by cletus van damme
"The Rothschilds are laughing their asses off."My friend, nothing on earth is more accurate that than statement. In just a few short years, we're all going to see just how right that was.
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Rather was never proven wrong. The memos were never proven to be fakes. Personally, I believe they were fakes, but it was never actually proven.
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More like "I saw the polls that said 3/4 of the people are seeing right through my bullshit political stunt so it looks like I need to get my chicken ass up to that podium". You McCain spinsters are fucking hilarious.
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BAN it then Burn it and follow the smoke to... THE WITCH!!! a SORCEROR! Paulson is an ungodly Munster!!! He has the sign of SATAN upon him! See how he speaks in tongues about Credit Default Swaps and the failure of Regulation to confuse the innocent.
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The teleprompter thing was June's talking point. He spoke for extended lengths yesterday off the cuff. Try to keep up, son.
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Palin is a great candidate and an intelligent woman. Thats why she is the laughing stock of the entire planet.
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"...if so many Democrats didn't back the war..."The point is more like, we wouldn't be in Iraq right now if our President didn't decide to take us there.
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According to most dependable tracking polls (Gallup, Rasmussen, etc.), from Monday through today McCain has gained on Obama. At the beginning of the week he was down anywhere from 4 to 8 point whereas this morning McCain was between Down 4 to even. I have numbers as backup, where's yours? P.S. I'm not even voting for McCain, but I'm not a Kool-Aid Drinker.
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...they were deceived. They acted on the evidence presented. Once they realized it was all an illusion, they spoke against it. Republicans are ignorant enough to continue to support a sham.
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It was proven. The memos were identical in typeface and _kerning_ to the default settings of Microsoft Word. There's no frickin' way those memos weren't fake. People have gotten in big trouble for much less obvious forgeries.
While I'm sure Rather didn't know it ahead of time, the process of producing and "aging" the memos via multiple xeroxing was transparently obvious. If those memos weren't "proved" to be fake, I'm not sure by what standard anything could be said to be a forgery.
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yeah because I can see every 4th person on the street just laughing about it. You saying it doesn't make it so. Kinda like most things you say. (here comes the Roman Polanski bit).
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The man's got a deer in the headlights look on him after this bailout debacle. It's sad to watch really: the man knows he needs to do the right thing (fight for an amended version of the bailout package) but his party won't allow it. It's the same party that forced him to pick Palin and you can just see the frustration in his eyes with being stuck with someone so atrocious.
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Right, like McCain doesn't rely on prepared soundbites. McCain really should have a debate with himself. The dude changes positions more than Annabel Chong at a gangbang.
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at Palin are Kool-Aid drinkers. Honest people would admit Palin saved McCain's arse. That's nothing to laugh at.
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You know what, I can't be arsed to go through that list again, as it's nearly hometime, but let me just take a few of your most deluded statements. Arcadian. That was not a climbdown. It was me saying that i understand that she wasn't being elected king, but think that a person in her position with a belief in creationism is a bad thing. The 2 are not mutually exclusive. See also you're extremely knuckleheaded point about the book burning. I did all the work on citations in the other thread when discussing this with Dr. Who? and cannot be bothered to do this again- but please feel free to look at them, they're in the other political thread on the right (appropriatly enough). Spin. Hysterical- not one thing you have put up contradicts me. All you do is say "But you don't say this stuff about X-democrat" or "AHA, you admit it!!!! GOT YOU". Coughlins, I am not saying for 1 second that 100% of women are pro-choice. Even that quote of mine does not say that. However, the majority of women are and to assume that she will attract enough Hilary supporters to make a difference is absurd. May I also refer you to previous answers about Letters to Wasilla. Not once have I referred to that list (which was obvious bullshit). Furthermore Coughlins, you are also following the standard attack pattern of your kind- Which is to shout and scream and compare with Obama (who I also think is a bad candidate- you have 4 bad candidates, frankly). Stop pretending she's the second coming of Thatcher. She's pretty awful- and the rest of the world is worried about this. Seriously worried.
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this is the real average from all polling sources combined. Check out realclearpolitics.com for details on how they average different polls.
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So I'm out. Have fun. I'm glad it's on again, as I want to watch it.
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"I gurantee you that Obama will not win."
Do not bet money on that guarantee. There is no previous situation where the incumbent party has been as unpopular as Bush where the same party's candidate has won. It hasn't happened. There are plenty of historical arguments that suggest Obama wins, though the race will be tight.
The only mitigating factors are really unknowns. How does Obama's race and his distinctly non-Anglo-Irish name play into it? There's not really a historical precedent for those factors, which may be decisive or entirely irrelevant. Senators have a hard time (historically) winning the Whitehouse, but both candidates are sitting senators.
When the economy seems to be going south--and it certainly does--this almost never favors the incumbent.
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CBS did not ever say "these are fake" but they when from saying "thoroughly investigated by independent experts" to "CBS News cannot prove that the documents are authentic" in a span of 10 days. Thats quite a backtrack. -
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for how many times mcCain will bring up being a POW.
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The Lord sees thy sin. Even unto the white wastes that are the abode of the Moose. He sees even unto the snowmobile dealership back office where thy Harlots Lipstick was used to tempt a poor man who only wished to be fruitfull in Business into SIN!!! Carnal SIN!!
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Sep 26, 2008 12:29:57 PM CDT
Coughlins Laws -- yeah I am...time to play hard ball...
by dannyglovers_dickblood
Now fuck off.
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..I'll save the Polanski bit today.
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I don't know the spread. I'm betting that it'll come up seventeen times.
"You may say my time is up to answer this question, but when I was a POW, I had all the time I needed to answer any question, back in Hanoi. Because I was a veteran. Of a war. And a prisoner. For our country." -
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I would be interested in the second cumming of Thatcher if she trimmed once in awhile.....
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What's pathetic your completely one-sidedness. What does the number of houses that McCain can't remember having have to do with policy?
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It's the LAW!
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The Polls have always skewed towards the Democratic ticket. Not by conspiracy, but because when asked questions like "do you think we should give food to the homeless?" most people will say "well sure!" and then followed by "Would you vote for a candidate who supports giving food to the homeless?" they are led along a line of questions. Polls are rarely as simple as "who are you voting for?"
The Reagan-Carter election was polled as "too close to call" and many polls showed Carter with a thin lead ahead of Reagan. Reagan then went on to win with a 10% lead in the popular vote and absolutely TROUNCED Carter in the electoral vote tally - something like 8 to 1.
Bush vs Dukakis was polled as "a very close election that could come down to one or two battleground states" and Dukakis claimed less than a handful of statewide victories. He was thrashed apart in the electoral count.
Clinton/Gore was polled at one point as having a 30% advantage in the upcoming election. They went on to win, but by a much smaller margin. While they called it a "clear mandate for change" they actually won with a MINORITY of the popular vote - less than 46%. Had Ross Perot not shaved off about 14 or 15% of the vote, many believe that Clinton would have been defeated by that same margin.
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Thug/Campaign Aides... same thing. McCain has "thugs" too. Like the one that called a reporter in Alaska at home to cry about unfair coverage. Like the high-priced attorneys trying to stall the trooper-gate investigation in Alaska. And your stuff about trying to silence opponents is just LOL when you look into Palin's history in Alaska. Personally, I try not stress about the "politcal" side of politics too much - it's a dirty business. I vote based on a canidate's postions.
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You're talking about Obama's inexperience and then go on to say you would have preferred Giuliani? Holy shit thats a good one. The only thing you are proving as how much of an absolute scumbag you are. Keep going.
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you are the opposite side of my coin. If either one of us reaches out to the other, we turn into a taco.
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I never claimed it has anything to directly with policy. It proves he is a senile fool and his POW tales are pathetic. That is all.
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Biden thought there was television and that Roosevelt was President during The Great Depression when being interviewed by Katie Couric. Nobody made a big deal of that though. I don't think it's a big deal either. I just find it funny how people riding Obama's jock pick out the most outrageous stuff (not having anything to do with policy) to throw at Palin and McCain.
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McCain destroyed his own run for the White House this week and pissed off most of his supporters. If there's anything good to come out of the Wall Street collapse it's the collapse of McCain's campaign.
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is that we are forced to identify with one of two distinct groups, and both groups are thick with absolute idiots who bring nothing but poorly conceived retorts and noise to the discussion, and make it difficult for anyone to make a solid point. It turns into a "oh yeah? we'll aren't you the guys who said Jesus lives in a spaceship?" - no. that was one guy. a stupid guy. who we really would prefer to NOT have on our kickball team, but you chose first and he was the last guy left - we had to take him.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clIJ-VyvkNg&feature=related
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Even though we have our differences. You are somewhat sane and intelligent, unlike that sniveling buffoon Coughlin. What a cunt he is....sheeesh.
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People (Kool Aid Drinkers) also accused Reagen of being senile and he was one of the best Presidents in the history of the nation. Not saying McCain is Reagen. Just saying picking out personality traits you don't like is not the best way to pick a President. Policy seems like a better reason.
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thats because Im an independant who has voted for BOTH parties over the years. I dont owe anybody anything. I just happen to be voting for McCain this time around.
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And you would bet a substantial amount of money on this because you of course are good for it...being a succesful business owner right? Oh fuck off. Keep going back to the past. The good old days....its what Republicans are good at. They don't really like to discuss the future, but they sure as fuck like to say, "We're the party of Abraham Lincoln!!" Bla bla bla....... -
Some knew this many, MANY months ago.
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He's backing down, yet offering a 'substantial amount of money' on the bet that McCain wins.
dude - where exactly were you backing down FROM? Did you offer up your firstborn child, and then 'back down' to simply wagering unmeasured quantities of money?
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Because we are the party of the future!
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and that title was not given to him at a Republican fundraiser. Clinton has called him that from time to time. Do not speak ill of America's Mayor.
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I do not wish to communicate with you any further. I show you disrespect because you are ignorant and worthless. You are on par with a smear of dog shit stuck to the bottom of my shoe.
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here's two things Obama accomplished during his half-term as a congressman:
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Can Joe Biden make that claim? Didn't think so!
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oh thats right - you can't vote naked in a cemetery.
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Rudy claims that he grew New York City’s police force by 12,000 officers between his swearing in as mayor in January 1994 and mid-2000. That’s a flat out lie. Most of the police he’s counting, 7,100 to a man, were already working as housing or transit cops. They were simply folded into the New York Police Department. The writer who ferreted out the material was Viveca Novack. She points out that the real increase in the force’s size was about 3,600, or 10 percent, during the time Giuliani highlights. But Giuliani does not mention that the tab for hiring 3,500 of the officers was partially covered by the federal government.
Who really cleaned up New York? In the early 1990s, former Mayor Dinkins put 6,000 more police officers on the street.
The city's murder rate fell by 13.7 percent, robbery fell by 14.6 percent, burglary fell by 17.6 percent, and auto theft fell by 23.8 percent.
The city's crime rate dropped in all seven FBI major-felony categories for the first time in nearly four decades.
The notorious porn shops and movie houses along 42nd Street had already been shut down.
The last graffiti-covered subway car had been taken off the line in 1989, under Mayor Ed Koch who preceded Dinkins.
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I have lost count of the number of times he's gone Ecks vs logic against me. I think he's just found a sweeter smelling flower today, and nothing more. Tomorrow, he'll be back to accusing me of being in cahoots with pedophiles and other unsavory types.
also, if you're going to keep using our internet, you'll have to be comfortable with the name calling. Its part of what goes on here. -
Sep 26, 2008 1:02:49 PM CDT
Coughlin....you give yourself too much credit....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
I've said it time and time again-- I have never once wished death on you. And again...you misquote me. I have never claimed to be a grown up. I may be an adult, but I'm far from grown up.
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Read the ignorant ass bullshit fucknuts crap Coughlins Laws said in the Spike Lee talkback. He's douchejuice.
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Id wager "a substantial amount of money" that if either one of us crossed paths with Mr Dannyboy in Teh Real Worlds, we'd probably have a beer with him. The internet is a fantasy world where you can be everything you're not allowed to be in reality. Its like taking everyone's closeted and covered little angsts and dialing them up to 11. Take everything said about you and at you on the internet with a very toxic dose of salt.
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I call a truce with you. I'm not saying I'll never go off on you or command you to gargle my piss again....but I shan't bring up our pal Roman again.
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Was Bush talking about the Economy or McCain ?
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I just skimmed it 4 times. not one single post from him in the Spike Lee talkback, that I could find.
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Sep 26, 2008 1:08:08 PM CDT
Coughlin....last post to you before I say FUCK OFF...
by dannyglovers_dickblood
...for the last time today. I swear! But how did I run off? You gave me the best laugh of the week with your Giuliani bit and I proceeded to offer up examples of how is a fucking sleaze that loves to self promote. His 9/11 shit was fucking disgusting. Even you must admit it. He is beyond scum. That is all. Good nite.
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just live debated for the hour, and aired two different versions for the different coasts? That was politics.
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http://www.you tube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH--o
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or Biden interviews? Sheesh, keep painting Palin with "stupid female" brush and see how far it gets ya. If you have doubt, just ask Michael Moore how well it worked on Bush in 2004. And keep acting all indignant. It always works great for you on the undecided... Screw all these freaking lawyers and their brains wired constantly to "how to spin". Don't you get it that we all see right though that shit?
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http://tinyurl.com/3h78sa
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Here we go again.
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hahahahahhahahaha
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Sep 26, 2008 1:16:54 PM CDT
YES, I'VE SEEN OBAMA WITHOUT A TELEPROMPTER ON MANY OCCASSIONS
by bringingsexyback
One-on-one interviews, press conferences. He's great. Very thoughtful and extremely knowledgeable on the widest range of issues.
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He contributed nothing. Zilch. He played messenger, delivering a one-page joke of a proposal.
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..makes little to no difference. The people who claim otherwise haven't been paying attention. Now McCain on the other hand, without his teleprompter or index cards...not so sharp. Eyes up, John! Eyes up!
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One of the reasons I have so much hatred toward you is the fact that you constantly misquote me. You even managed to misquote me about my post pointing out you misquote me!! WHAT THE FUCK?! This is from your last post:
"....but even if you didn't specifically mean me also (which you clearly did) you DID WISH DEATH ON SARAH PALIN!!! Why do you deny it when it's so easily to prove you did? "
See that. I use actual quotes. I copy and paste your exact words to prove a point. Now show me where I denied wishing death on Palin. You can't, because I never fucking denied it.
Here is what I said, cretin:
"I have never once wished death on you."
And I haven't. I did however say someone should shoot Palin from a helicopter just like she shoots those defenseless wolves. I was half joking....but I did say that. And I have never once denied it.
Here is another quote of yours....
"....and even if you didn't mean to include me, just SOME Republicans, isn't that bad enough? That you wished death on ANY political opponents?"
I NEVER ONCE said Republicans or political opponents of mine should die. You are a fucking liar. I said anyone who seriously believes victims of rape and molestation should not be entitled to an abortion should drop dead. If you think a teenage girl who was raped and impregnated by her own Father should be forced to have that child because of sick partisan ideology, then YES you deserve to fucking DIE and rot in hell because you obviously do not value fellow human beings. I never once specified a political party.
Continue to misquote me to prove whatever point you're trying to prove. But NEVER EVER question why I show you a lack of respect. You are a fucking scumbag that twists the words of others to prove your point. There is nothing worse.
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1) "Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending U.S. soldiers out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's will." She isn't saying the war IS God's will, she's saying Christians should pray that our leaders seek God's guidance for what they're doing. There is a BIG difference between the two, a difference that knee-jerk responses fail to appreciate. Christians pray that our leaders do God's will...and that's all we can do. In fact, you can certainly read Palin's remarks as a caution AGAINST militarism in the church. There are too many Christians who want to "rain down fire" from heaven on their enemies through all means, military and otherwise. By telling Christians to pray that soldiers and leaders do God's will, we are opening them to the possibility that God's will is different than their own. That's what she's getting at with "what we have to make sure we're praying for." She's pointing out that too many Christians are praying the wrong thing, asking God to "smite the enemy." Palin says no, you can't do that. The only prayer you can offer is that God's will be done (modeling on the prayer Jesus gave). At no point in her remarks is she calling the war God's will, she is saying Christians should pray God's will be done through leaders and soldiers. Big difference. 2) Regarding the witchcraft thing, I have been on the receiving end of some pretty extremist prayers myself, prayers I felt were theologically abhorrent and personally offensive. But you can't fault the person being prayed for on the basis of what the person praying says. Unless you want to at the expense of any logical argument to the contrary, which is the real issue here.
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that the only people who don't like Palin are people that never would have voted for McCain in the first place.
Interesting. How many Republican voters do you know? I know a lot. Most Republican voters I know vote for what's best for the country, and even though we tend to be bloc voters, and very loyal to our party, right now, many of us are ashamed. McCain was not our first choice, but we accepted him, and we support him, more or less. His nomination of Palin shook that support to its knees, however. Playing politics in an election campaign is natural, people say things they don't mean, behave according to polls, attack their opponents in dirty ways, etc. Basically, political campaigns are not where you expect to see elegant or respectable characteristics in attendance. However, all that said, none of it is as bad as what McCain did when he chose Sarah Palin for VP.
In one move, he completely discredited himself as someone who has America's best interests at heart. This was pure politics at it's worst. I don't think Obama is necessarily experienced enough to be president, but I respect him, and if he does become the next president I think he'll do his best. However, Sarah Palin isn't qualified to mow a lawn, much less run the country. McCain chose her as his numbers were floundering, it was a risky, bold roll of the dice, and it worked, at first. People think his reason was because she's a woman, but not really. Women generally don't vote against the right to choose. It's because she's from Alaska. "Energy Independence' is the phrase of the McCain campaign. "Drill Now."
Sarah Palin is good for getting elected, but that's not John McCain's only job. After he gets elected, he has to run the country. Anyone who privately thinks Palin is an absurd choice, but publicly supports and defends her, is at the very least a shitty American. At worst, well, I won't go there, but suffice to say we'd be better off if you left. There's more for McCain to do than just get elected. We have at least 4 years ahead of us that are going to need every arrow in the quiver just to get by. Palin is lame, lame, lame. You know it, I know it, the whole fucking world knows it. -
Oh Jesus protect Danny from the witchcraft!!!
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by G100 Aug 5th, 2008 03:52:25 AM
Think the Economy can't get any worse ?
The Banks are currently terrified that all the C.D.S. currently in play and looking shaky will make Fannie Mae and Feddie Mac look like a mom and pop bail out.
***** I DEMAND my own Money Show on the back of this predictive post !!!
I shall, of course, shave my head and find an appropriately Buxom assistant. For this is the LAW among "Bald guy and the hot chick" Financial Advice Shows. -
Seriously... WTF!
Are they rebroadcasting this at a time when people that still have jobs are going to be able to see it?
What's a technological ass-backwards, TIVO-less dipshit like me supposed to do in order to watch this thing?
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STEPHEN FUCKING HAWKING CAN USE ONE. Go ahead and tell me about McCain's inability some more. Please. I beg you.As for Palin's "Bridge to Nowhere" stuff, she has OPENLY ADMITTED that she was only against it after it had died a slow death in Washington. Then she went and started saying "oh, well we don't need your help on that." Or, as she likes to put it "thanks, but no thanks." Fuck that phrase. She used it, she admitted that it wasn't true, then she went right back to using it. That is to say, she lied, she admitted the lie, then she went back to telling the lie. I could give a rat's ass about ANYTHING else this woman has going for her, that is NOT the behavior I want of the President or Vice President.And another thing: what I want in a President is a person who isn't going to make "jokes" like "bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran." That isn't funny.And ANOTHER thing. Palin said that the only - THE ONLY - flag in her office is the flag of Israel. WHAT?! What about an Alaskan state flag?? WHAT ABOUT A FLAG OF THE COUNTRY YOU FUCKING LIVE IN?
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The yare there. Are you looking in Mori's interview with Spike Lee post? That's the one.
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cuz here you are talkbacking instead of working the lunch service.
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Oh so now you left out the part about me saying "ALL REPUBLICANS SHOULD DIE." Probably because....I DIDN'T FUCKING SAY IT!! I would never apologize to a worthless piece of shit like yourself. You must be a serious masochist of some kind....because you love coming back for the punishment. Here's another bit of disrespect Coughlin -- FUCK OFF!!
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It's great that you were able to write 3.25 paragraphs. However, your main point, to thrash Palin as VP was never really explained. Therefore you could write 8 paragraphs, but all I see is blah blah blah. Also I picked you, but to be truthful, 99% of the TBers are guilty of that.
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deep breath, let it go.
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John Stewart raked him over the coals this week for those comments. But you probably weren't watching becasue you think Stewart is a pinko commie liberal fascist or some bullshit.
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Where did you read that? WTF
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Hilarious.
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Sep 26, 2008 1:38:18 PM CDT
thanks sam....I'm breathing....I'm breathing....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
....and after all this communication with Coughlin-- I gotta go take a nasty shit. I'll be back later.
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we are all REALLY FUCKED if McCain get's elected.
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it's just my opinion. One that's widely shared, but still my own. All I really claim is that I think McCain betrayed us when he chose Sarah Palin, if you require proof, I could maybe go door to door in my neighborhood collecting signatures.
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Anyone who agrees with Palin on denying rape/incest victims access to an abortion should drop fucking dead. How much more clear do I have to be? You're gonna keep saying I'm denying it.....I'm not. I think it is a lovely point-- and I stand by it with a smile!!
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HOW BOUT THAT Coughlin
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Not according to the polls. That's my proof. Before Palin, McCain was getting trounced by double digits in the polls. After Palin, he's been pretty much even with Obama. Palin isn't nearly as disapointing to the country as you claim.
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For surely that is witchcraft most foul ?
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And Bill Clinton didn't like email because he knew his political enemies would eventually try to use all his emails against him. He said this exact thing in an interview recently. John McCain doesn't use it because he is an incompetent old fool. There is a little bit of a difference.
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Reading your post from 11:06:10 AM, I swear it sounds like your just a slight nudge or push away from voting for Obama/Biden. When you look at your comments on the candidates, it would certainly appear that the Democratic ticket is one that you feel more strongly about.As for your view on Palin... ...YIKES! ;^)
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Sep 26, 2008 1:49:00 PM CDT
The one thing I really want to know about tonight's debate
by kentucky colonel
Will there be titty?
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Teddy Roosevelt knew how to use a phone, FRD knew about the clock radio, Nixon could operate a color television. The personal computer is almost 30, email and web browsers are know at least 15 years old.....McCAIN IS OUTTA TOUCH on so many levels. Look, idiot, I've got to BBQ some shrimp for my mother, so you don't have to bring up all the things he's good at. I won't be there to read it.I'm gride9000 and I approve this message...
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http://tinyurl.com/4stpyz It's not REALLY true, I've seen photos with a US Flag. But it was fun to say, and, well, she's quoted as saying as much. Odd that she would say that at all.
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....and now I am the fool for falling for it every time.
I didn't just admit wishing death on you. I have never done that. I just admitted wishing death on Palin and opponents of abortion, which I have never denied. But I'm done being played. Clearly no one on the planet can be as ignorant as you are pretending to be. Its just not possible.
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I knew McCain couldn't lift his arms above his head. But now you're trying to tell us that he can't type or email because of his war injuries?! Can he still write?!John McCain - He can't lift his arms but he can bend over for the religious right.
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You lucky fuck.
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Now, my hat is firmly in the Obama camp, and nuthin' you say will change that.
But Fuck Joe Biden. He was Reagan's democratic point man for his "War On Drugs" that he inherited from Nixon. Got any particular piece of anti-drug legislation, say, mandaroty minimum sentances or all that shit? Look for Biden's signature at the bottom.
Fuck Biden. But fuck the caribou Barbie even moreso. She scare the jizz out of me!
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What the fuck does not lifting your arms above your head have to do with typing? Fuck me. That is funny shit. Seriously....can he wipe his own ass?
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Holy fucking shit! She does have an Israeli flag in her office! Do you realize what this means? She is a CHRISTIAN ZIONIST and a NEOCON!
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Just had to reiterate that one. For people like me...social liberals, finantial conservatives.
But we know that will never happen.
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I covered that. What I say again, is that this is my opinion. Ok? Not going to get into it with you. You disagree with me that McCain's choice for VP was tantamount to a betrayal of the Republican party and America. I get it. Message received. You disagree with my opinion. Fair enough.
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You used the word HAIR to describe that greasy comb over sitting on top of his rotten head. That shit should never be called hair. That is an insult to hair. It looks like the pubic hair of Rev. Kane from Poltergeist 2.
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Zionism:Can't talk about the holocaust unless it's the Zionist point of view.Can't even think about looking at the Israeli-Palestinian conflict from the Palestinian point of view.Ancient maps showing that Palestine actually DOES and DID exist are not to be believed. It was never a real country anyways.Denounce Zionism, you're an Anti-Semite.Anti-Semitism is the new Communist.Israel (as led by Zionists) will start wars that they expect the U.S. to finish. In other words, OUR sons and daughters will die in a war with Iran if Israel starts one.Jews were wiped out in the holocaust. But the Zionists are wiping out the Palestinians systematically without remorse.Palin is all about backing Israel.So is McCain.So is Obama :( So is our entire Government, for the most part :( :( :(
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Just saying that when you post that your opinion is, "One that's widely shared" and I completely prove you wrong with proven numbers it must not be that "widely shared". That is all. You're allowed to have your own opinion all you want. Good day sir.
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Cause I know he can hold onto his token Starbucks cups like a muthafucka.Blackberry...didn't he invent that? Or was someone speaking out of line?
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to send an email, you're doing it wrong. Unless, i guess, you're lying on the floor while trying to reach the computer on your desk. No, that's still doing it wrong. By the way, McCain not only uses a Blackberry, he invented the Blackberry! It's true! It's true!
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I at least believe Obama would take a diplomatic approach on Iran and work sucessfully on a two-state solution in the middle east. McCain doesn't have a prayer of doing these things.
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Here is what one responder to the SUN article had to say:"Photographs of her office show that this Israeli "flag" to which Palin refers is a pathetic 5-inch paper flag stuck in the jamb of one of the windows. Moreover, there are two other (full-size, cloth) flags in the office, of Alaska and the U.S."
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You know, there are some people in this country who are a little worried that the only buttons McCain will push, if President, are the big red ones that make 'splosions.
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And neither is McCain. It's ridiculous that McCain and Bush with Lipstick even have enough support to continue their campaign... but then again there are a lot of rednecks, racists, big businessmen, and uneducated people in America to give them a sturdy foundation.
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And neither is McCain. It's ridiculous that McCain and Bush with Lipstick even have enough support to continue their campaign... but then again there are a lot of rednecks, racists, big businessmen, and uneducated people in America to give them a sturdy foundation.
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"Crazy Arms" by Ray Price
"With Arms Wide Open" by Creed
"Arms of a Fool" by Meg Tillis
"Up In Arms" by Foo Fighters
"Empty Arms" by Church of the Fonz
"Open Arms" by Journey
"Arms of Jesus" by Clay Crosse
"My Arms, Your Hearse" by Opeth
"Lovin' Arms" by Elvis
"In These Arms" by Bon Jovi
"These Arms of Mine" by Otis Redding
"The Arms of the Night" by Jackson Browne
"Trying To Throw Your Arms Around the World" by U2
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“In the end, McCain blinked and Obama did not. The 'steady hand in a storm' argument looks now to more favor Obama, not McCain. My guess is that plasma units are rushing to the McCain campaign as we speak to replace the blood flowing there from the fights among the staff.”
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Put up the link with the pics of McCain using his Blackberry please......
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Zoe, do you honestly believe that a small spike in national poll numbers constitutes a radical shift in the voting potential of the Republican electorate? Again, I can go door to door in my neighborhood collecting signatures if you like. And, just in case you missed the irony intended there, think hard...
For you to have "completely proved me wrong", I myself would have to be convinced, since, even if I were the last Republican in America to feel this way, there would still be one who sees McCain's choice as a betrayal. Don't just read the polls, dear, and don't rely on Fox for all your news. It's intellectually lazy. Go talk to people. Go talk to educated Republicans, people who remember what it meant to have the respect of the entire world, Reagan Republicans, and then ask yourself why the Republican party is so easily the butt of so many jokes today. Sarah Palin's nomination was only made possible because our reputation has already been brought so low. -
Hhhhmmmm.....
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Period.
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If the "Zionists" are wiping out the Palestinains without remorse why is their population growing?
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On a serious note, I think the point people are trying to make with the internet thing is the the "he's old" argument. But more to the point, I think people are trying to say that he's out of touch with the times if he doesn't know how to email people. I'm not sure if that kind of argument belongs in the campaign, but McCain has been so far out there in his lies and rhetoric, that I think the rulebook is out the window at this point.
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No one is really using that anymore. Not after the RNC. He was a community organizer when he was in his early 20's. Not exactly a home-run for the Republicans.
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Nobody's going to be fixing anything. When are people going to realize that this world is going to come to a screeching halt. And then........nothing. Our future historians will call this a "Period of Much Needed Sleep for the World".
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You going door to door is not needed. I'm basing my opinion on fact. That fact being McCain was down double digits before Palin. After Palin, he's pretty much even. That's based on reliable polls (Gallup, Rasmussen, CBS, etc.) Elections are meant to be won by canidates. Therefore they must pick a VP which will help the overall ticket. Palin doesn't seem to be that bad of a choice if the left can't stop talking about her and she isn't even the one running for President. You might not like her, but the polls say the generall public does.
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"It was proven."=== no it wasn't ===" The memos were identical in typeface and _kerning_ to the default settings of Microsoft Word." === yes, but IBM Selectrics existed from that time period that used the exact same fonts and settings ===="There's no frickin' way those memos weren't fake." ==== I agree.
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SUCKS. Must be tired.
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You fuckers are smoking crack rocks daily. Quick, someone say B. HUSSEIN Obama, it's scathingly hilarious.
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We're just calling him on it. He said he was going to suspend his campaign until this mess was fixed in Washington. If there was no agreement by today, well, he wasn't going to debate. Guess what?The mess hasn't been fixed.And now he's feeling the heat from the mistake he made. So he's going back on what he said. His campaign has been reinstated and it's business as usual. In other words...It was all a political ploy in the first place, and it just didn't work for him!
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Whatever.
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His Global Poverty Initiative makes him a kind of citizen-of-the-world socialist.
Coughlin: "the country has not elected a Northern Liberal Democrat since FDR. I'm telling you, Obama's biggesgt supporters are also the most unreliable voters."
This may be true, but history points to a likely Obama victory. Most of the historical trends are in his favor. I'm not saying it's a lock, only that there are lots of things working for Obama. Incumbent parties tend to lose in these kinds of circumstances, and Obama may be a north-eastern liberal but you can't honesty say he comes off, viewed objectively, anything like John Kerry, who basically war a big flashing neon sign that said "North-Eastern Liberal Ive League Elitist" over his head through the whole campaign. Obama is not gaffeless, but has he been snapped windsurfing? Or saying, "Can I get me a hunting license here"?It may come down to the "get out the vote" drive (and the votes of dead people, and we all know zombies prefer Democrats 3-1), much of which won't be known for sure, except in retrospect. -
I didn't think he was down by that much, more like 4-8 points depending on what poll you looked at.
Yes, he got a bump from Palin and pulled about even. That is true. The question is whether that gain can be sustained, and it looks as if the longer the public sees Palin in unscripted circumstances the less confidence they have in her. That's the whole point you've been trying to ignore - how are the numbers trending now? -
And neither should you.
She's been in state politics less than two years. Before that she was mayor of a town with a population smaller than the number of people that attended Obama's outdoor speech in Denver. She's a creationist. She's 42 years old. She was issued her first passport in 2007.
I'm not going to engage in speculation, or personal issues, or sex scandals, or any of that playing dirty crap. Everything I just mentioned is accurate, factual and true. If you think that the results of a massively funded and controlled PR campaign over the last few weeks trump these issues as an argument for her leading the free world for the next four years, you're either crazy, stupid, or just plain brainwashed. You don't seem stupid, nor crazy, so I'm forced to believe that you're a dedicated parrot. Open your eyes, dammit. The woman is a fucking joke. Tell me honestly that you would be proud to have her in the White House, leading this nation, and representing you to the rest of the world. She's never even heard of the Bush Doctrine, for Christ's sake. Tell me you believe in her. Tell me that, and I won't bother you anymore, Zoefan. You'll just be another dead homey to me. -
http://tinyurl.com/49hd7n
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"yes, but IBM Selectrics existed from that time period that used the exact same fonts and settings"Incorrect. To quote LaShawn Barber on Rathergate: "Like Patterico, Harrell used the power of the web to gather information and answer questions. '[W]hile the typographic evidence of forgery was pretty good, there was one hole I wanted to fill.' It seemed that the IBM Selectric Composer, an expensive typewriter from the 1970s, might have been able to produce the memos. While that possibility had been dismissed, Harrell continued to investigate. The expert he tracked down, a Composer owner, confirmed it could not have produced the documents. 'I wanted to rule it out conclusively,' Harrell said."
More from the Wizbang blog:
http://tinyurl.com/4tt245
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But he isn't.
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Duty as Senator is more important than a debate on foreign affairs during what is seen as a critical emergency in Washington. McCain is taking care of business, I say good for him. Obama comes out and says "Uhhh, well, uhhhh I'll be there if ya need me" Do you really want this man for President?? The liberal idea of easy loans for less than good credit and "housing for all" got us where we are here today. Not everybody can buy a home right away, and no one should ever spend beyond their means. Liberalism does not work people, it never does, it never will. Fawst, it's much more complicated than that over there, and McCain has the experience to better deal with it, Obama does not. Palin is exactly what Washington needs, especially now. She has proven she keeps a clean house in dealing with financial matters of the Alaskan oil business. Joe Biden wants you to be Patriotic by paying more taxes, and fatten the government even more than is already is. Look at what you already pay in taxes people, who benefits?? Is your life easier?? Has more taxes solved anything?? Be very thankful for the Bush tax cuts, the economy might could have easily been much worse during this financial crisis. It's a very dangerous world today, we had better have a man in charge of our military that has the military experience to deal with those matters.
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after he dropped it. What I'm saying is, he stepped in his own shit. Is that too gross? Or just stupid? Either way you can go to hell.Seriously, there was a time when I looked forward to this campaign, thinking it would be different. And I though I didn't think the Republicans deserved another four years, aside from the principle I figured McCain would be all right if elected. It was a win-win situation in a sense. BUT ... then came Palin, lipstick, etc, etc, "suspending" the campaign to go to DC and help derail a fragile collaboration in Congress ... Now the stakes are high. I don't trust that old geezer anymore. Obama may be a question mark, but there is NO question McCain isn't the man for the job.
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...that guy who sells the sham-wow (made in Germany) for VP.
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it's both! Ha! That's what happens when you paint yourself into a corner! When you say soething like "I'm suspending the campaign until the economy is worked out" You look like a pussy who is using the economy as an excuse to not have a debate which you will certainly lose. Then, if you change your mind and decide to debate (when the economy didn't get fixed) because you now know that you looked like a pussy, you look like a guy that can't stick to his guns for two lousy days. Even though the suspension of his campaign meant that his surrogates still were on the news programs badbouthing Obama, his ads still ran, and he didn't make it to DC until after noon on the day after he said he was going to drop everthing and head down there right away. So, apparently suspension to McCain means he lies to Letterman to get off of his show so he can do an interview with Katie Couric. Whttaguy.
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"Duty as Senator is more important than a debate on foreign affairs during what is seen as a critical emergency in Washington. " Bullshit. Not at this point. Maybe if he was a central or even AT ALL DIRECTLY INVOLVED with the negotiations, but the fact that they've been figuring the shit out for a week without demonstrates quite clearly his presence is superfluous at best and possibly distracting. At this point in the election it's not mere politicking. One of these fuckers is going to PRESIDENT very, very soon and that is far more important than keeping up appearances in DC. (Not to mention the debate is 90 minutes. I'm sure even that old codger can spare 4 or 5 hours.)
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Sep 26, 2008 2:43:35 PM CDT
Anybody see the video of Biden telling the wheelchair...
by banzai rootskibango
...guy to stand up? That was hilarious. You can't write shit like that.
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Its gonna be a slaughter tonight!! A slaaaaaaaaaaughter!!
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That was pretty funny.
"Stand up sir!" Biden sounded all enthused and then the crowd clears a little and you see his eyes widen, "Oh man....I'm a knuckle head, of course you can't stand up," or however you said it.
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McCain offered Obama at least 10 opportunities to debate him in town hall meetings, even offered Obama a ride to each one. Your Marxist Hack candidate Obama turned him down. John McCain is a Senator first, and this business it too important to not be involved. Debates can happen any time, in the next week or two, this business in Washington had to be handled now, so we're told. Why don't you ask your candidate why he's dodged McCain's offers if these debates are so damned important?
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Is a complete idiot. Oh hell yea, I want this guy for VP. NOT!!
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I don't think there will be a teleprompter at the debates.
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"Reading your post from 11:06:10 AM, I swear it sounds like your just a slight nudge or push away from voting for Obama/Biden. When you look at your comments on the candidates, it would certainly appear that the Democratic ticket is one that you feel more strongly about."
It'd take more than a nudge, but I'm just not down with all the Obama-hating. Nor am I prone to suspect the worse of him. Nor do I think the experience thing is a negative for him. And so on. I like how he's run his campaign. In many ways, I think he's been better than McCain. Plenty of stuff I don't like, but I'm really not out to evangelize for McCain. Or unfairly attack Obama/Biden, and from a strictly Wonkish point of view, I do think Biden was a good choice and Obama is running a strong campaign and Biden may be gaffe-prone, but at least there his own gaffes. I think some of Palin's more recent troubles have been due to having been given too short a leash by the McCain campaign. While the point that Obama hasn't exactly reached out across the aisle in a spirit of unity is not without merit, Biden has, at least, noted that he didn't like the Obama commercial that "made fun" of McCain's age and said he thought Hillary would be a good VP pick, and I don't consider those gaffes, I consider them non-partisan comments that show a humility and respect for the other side that is often missing from politics on both sides of the aisle.
Would I like to hang out with Obama/Biden? You bet. I'd pick McCain over Obama for the presidency, but only because I think McCain would be marginally better. Maybe.
I think the Republican hate for Obama should be reserved for the folks on that side of the aisle that deserve it: Dick Durbin and John Murtha being at the top of that list.
"As for your view on Palin... ...YIKES! ;^)
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What can I say? I like her, and almost all the trash I've seen about her tends to be just that: trash. And most of the tone of the attacks on Palin have a level of derangement that makes me prone to discredit them out of the box.
But is it the end of the world if Obama gets elected? No. I'm not in that camp, either.
I'm not voting for him, and I can pretty much guarantee that my state (Tennessee) will go McCain, because it's a very red state and remains so in the polls. We're the only state in the union that sent a freshmen Republican to the senate in 2006.And there is no ideal party in politics, at least none that actually get votes. I was a big fan of the Contract with America and, based on the Republican sweep of the house and the senate, I can assume I wasn't alone. But then the Republicans spent so much time and energy going after Clinton on a 20 year old land deal, instead of advancing a conservative agenda, I was left to include there must be something in the water in Washington that makes them all go a little bonkers.But enough about me. How's your day been?
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is that it implies you do want Sarah Palin for VP.
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I would love to stick around for more fun with you libbies but I gotta go.
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"foreign policy" is still on? the should have postponed it, and replace it with the one on economy. But I bet they both would have whined about "not being prepared" for it.
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Seriously, I totally agree with your take on Obama and McCain, almost word for word, but that just makes your opinion of Palin that much more incomprehensible.
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...he has nothing whatsoever to do with the bailout negotiations. He is not on the committee and has no pull whatsoever. He was there for a photo op. By all accounts he barely said a word during the negotiations and did nothing but slow down the process by bringing election politics into the mix. So keep bragging about how McCain got involved to do the noble thing and help out. He didn't do shit but try to stall the debate because he realizes he's going to be slaughtered over the economy. He expected a much different reaction with all this....what he got was a middle finger from pretty much all sides.
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Sep 26, 2008 3:00:02 PM CDT
and I know tonight's topic is "Foreign Policy,"
by dannyglovers_dickblood
But I think McCain's camp was thinking they could push Foreign to next week and delay the inevitable debate on the economy.
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Sep 26, 2008 3:00:05 PM CDT
U R an idiot if you vote for Johnny Jet Wrecker and Caribou Barb
by uberfreak
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Sep 26, 2008 3:00:12 PM CDT
U R an idiot if you vote for Johnny Jet Wrecker and Caribou Barb
by uberfreak
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Of the 4 that are running (Obama - Biden vs McCain-Palin) I like Palin the most. This is based on the fact my values and politics most match hers (no candidate perfectly matches any person's though). However, if the question is whether or not I feel comfortable with Palin as President, I'd say if you're speaking about 9-26-2008, then the answer is hell no. If you're talking about 2 or 4 years down the road, I feel comfortable saying yes. Palin has as much experience as Bill Clinton did (and I didn't vote for him either). However, she's not running for President, McCain is. And I'm not voting for McCain. P.S. there is NO such article as the Bush Doctrine.
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Sep 26, 2008 3:01:12 PM CDT
ZIONISTS ARE THE FASCIST ENEMIES OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE
by bringingsexyback
Jewish terrorists tried to murder left-wing professor
By Jonathan Lis, Haaretz Correspondent
Tags: Israel News
Israel Prize winner Zeev Sternhell was lightly injured Wednesday when a pipe bomb exploded outside his home in Jerusalem, in what police suspect could be a new campaign by right-wing extremists to target prominent left-wingers.
Public Security Minister Avi Dichter called the incident "a nationalist terror attack apparently perpetrated by Jews" and said the police would not rest until "those terrorists" were behind bars.
"We should see the explosive as aimed at killing," Dichter said, adding that the attack "takes us back to the days of [Prime Minister Yitzhak] Rabin's assassination."
Professor Sternhell walked out of his home in a quiet Jerusalem neighborhood shortly after midnight to shut a courtyard gate when the bomb went off, lightly wounding him in one leg, Jerusalem police spokesman Shmuel Ben-Ruby said.
Outside Sternhell's home and in nearby streets Wednesday, the police found fliers offering NIS 1.1 million to anyone who killed members of left-wing human rights movement Peace Now. This led to the suspicion that Jewish terrorists were behind the pipe-bomb attack, due to Sternhell's harsh criticism of West Bank settlers and their harassment of Palestinians.
The police stressed that the bomb was not meant to intimidate but was a murder attempt.
After the attack on the professor, the police have beefed up security around the home of Peace Now head Yariv Oppenheimer.
"If this was not an act committed by a deranged person but by someone who represents a political view, then it is the beginning of the disintegration of democracy," Sternhell said Wednesday from his hospital bed in the capital's Shaare Tzedek Medical Center.
He said that "the incident illustrates the fragility of Israeli democracy, and the urgent need to defend it."
"On the personal level, if the intent was to terrorize, it has to be very clear that I am not easily intimidated," he said. "But the perpetrators tried to hurt not only me, but each and every one of my family members who could have opened the door, and for that there is no absolution and no forgiveness."
Sternhell, an internationally renowned expert on the history of fascism, was awarded the country's highest honor, the Israel Prize, earlier this year. The award drew fire from West Bank settlers and their supporters, who unsuccessfully petitioned Israel's Supreme Court to block it.
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And I call on all my Judeo brothers and sisters to reject the criminal policies of the Zionists. Only a movement built on diplomacy, not terror and violence, can bring peace to Israel. Shalom.
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Sep 26, 2008 3:05:24 PM CDT
DANNY, I THINK COUGHLINS HAS A SERIOUS HARD-ON FOR YOU
by bringingsexyback
Watch your ass.
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Sarah Palin supported legislation when she was mayor to have women that were raped pay for their rape kits. I think that's all that really needs to be said about her.
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This financial crash is the final nail in the coffin of the right wing conservative Republican idiot fuck wads. Deregulation doesn't work. IT DOESN'T FUCKING WORK!!! We end of losing far more money than we made from low taxes and less "government interference". I want to tell the right wingers out there to shut the fuck up. Right now about 100 right wing House Republicans are holding up the bailout, and if it doesn't go through we will have a Second Great Depression. Vote for Obama if you are not an idiot.
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"Outside Sternhell's home and in nearby streets Wednesday, the police found fliers offering NIS 1.1 million to anyone who killed members of left-wing human rights movement Peace Now. This led to the suspicion that Jewish terrorists were behind the pipe-bomb attack, due to Sternhell's harsh criticism of West Bank settlers and their harassment of Palestinians."
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Actually he did extremely well given the circumstances and none of those cunts were going to vote for Obama anyway.
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Sep 26, 2008 3:11:57 PM CDT
Coughlin...I totally agree Hillary beat Barack's ass....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
But that's because Hillary is the bomb.
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And it's not hate. It's fear. Fear that 72 year-old McCain will drop dead ten seconds into his presidency and leave the country in the hands of this moron.
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Palin charged rape victims for rape kits, paving the way for rapists to continue raping.
That's why Alaska has the highest incidence of rape per capita in our nation.
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http://tinyurl.com/zd2ex
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Less than certain? Gotcha politics? Give me a break. All Couric did was ask her to expand upon her claims about her foreign policy experience due to her state's proximity to Russia and she couldn't even get out a sentence explaining what she meant. She froze like moose in headlights and had to have Couric finish her sentence for her. God awful.
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Sep 26, 2008 3:16:33 PM CDT
Palin should step down, conservative commentator says
by dannyglovers_dickblood
Prominent conservative columnist Kathleen Parker, an early supporter of Republican VP candidate Sarah Palin, said Friday recent interviews have shown the Alaska governor is "out of her league" and should leave the GOP presidential ticket for the good of the party.
The criticism in Parker's Friday column is the latest in a recent string of negative assessments toward the McCain-Palin candidacy from prominent conservatives.
It was fun while it lasted," Parker writes. "Palin’s recent interviews with Charles Gibson, Sean Hannity, and now Katie Couric have all revealed an attractive, earnest, confident candidate. Who is clearly out of her league."
Palin's interview with Couric drew criticism when the Alaska governor was unable to provide an example of when John McCain had pushed for more regulation of Wall Street during his Senate career. Palin also took heat for defending her foreign policy credentials by suggesting Russian leaders enter Alaska airspace when they come to America. Palin was also criticized last week for appearing not to know what the Bush Doctrine is during an interview with Charlie Gibson.
“If BS were currency, Palin could bail out Wall Street herself," Parker also writes. "If Palin were a man, we’d all be guffawing, just as we do every time Joe Biden tickles the back of his throat with his toes. But because she’s a woman — and the first ever on a Republican presidential ticket — we are reluctant to say what is painfully true."
Parker, who praised McCain's "keen judgment" for picking Palin earlier this month and wrote the Alaska governor is a "perfect storm of God, Mom and apple pie," now says Palin should step down from the ticket.
“Only Palin can save McCain, her party, and the country she loves," Parker writes. She can bow out for personal reasons, perhaps because she wants to spend more time with her newborn. No one would criticize a mother who puts her family first. Do it for your country."
Parker's comments follow those by prominent conservatives David Brooks, George Will, and David Frum who have all publicly questioned Palin's readiness to be vice president.
"Sarah Palin has many virtues," Brooks wrote in a recent column. "If you wanted someone to destroy a corrupt establishment, she'd be your woman. But the constructive act of governance is another matter. She has not been engaged in national issues, does not have a repertoire of historic patterns and, like President Bush, she seems to compensate for her lack of experience with brashness and excessive decisiveness."
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When Sarah talked about Putin rearing his head.....HAHAHA. I'm sure he loved that.
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What the fuck does this mean? "Obama, a guy who can't be bothered to participate in the most important debate since he's been in the Senate."
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Don't you have to open up your chain of Burger Kings?
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Save your potion for someone else!!!
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Sarah Palin was a totally political move, which is now backfiring. The "suspension" of his campaign is another clusterfuck and now, since he couldn't bluff Obama out of debating tonight, he's backtracking on his stance not to debate tonight. He looks sad, weak and desperate. He's going down.
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1. McCain did not want to be there to discuss the issues
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....and I shall repeat it, if you don't mind.
"....and now, since he couldn't bluff Obama out of debating tonight, he's backtracking on his stance not to debate tonight. He looks sad, weak and desperate. He's going down." -
Um...without Zionism, there are no Israelis, just Jews (and other non Arabs) living in Palestine Weren't you supposedly in favor of a two state solution? Without Zionism there is only one state. Anyway, you seem to identify the "Zionists" with the exteme right wing (who supposedly were behind the Sternhell attack). You obviously have forgotten all the discussions about the many different kinds of Zionists (including the leftist socialist variety) that we had back when you were Brokeback Cowboy.
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...and he's scared fucking shitless of what might come out of Sarah Palin's mouth next week.
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I'm pointing out the inner strife in your own party. A large portion of Conservative writers have turned on Palin and feel she should step down. That is a big fucking deal....it would be easy for me to put up quotes of liberals slamming Palin. Why the fuck would I do that? I'm proving the point that your party is in rubble....its one big sloppy mess like your wife's filthy pussy after a gangbang with the local Elk's Club.
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Do you ever talk about anything other than Israeli-related topics? How about witchcraft? Any interest in witchery?
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and I'll get back to ya!!!
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Sep 26, 2008 3:33:32 PM CDT
here you go Coughlin -- now fuck off and swallow...
by dannyglovers_dickblood
Together with seven other senators -- Joe Biden (D-Del.), Jeff Bingaman (D-N.M.), Norm Coleman (R-Minn.), Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), Tom Harkin (D-Iowa), Dick Lugar (R-Ind.), and Gordon Smith (R-Ore.) -- Obama introduced legislation last week that would raise fuel-economy standards for cars and light trucks sold in the U.S. by 4 percent, or about one mile per gallon, each year. Its sponsors say the bill would reduce America's oil consumption by 1.3 million barrels daily within a decade; that amounts to 16 percent of the current consumption of America's passenger-vehicle fleet of 8 million barrels per day.
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Your living two weeks behind what is actually happening in the race. The bounce is gone. McCain is slipping. He's panicking (even Mike Huckabee agreed it was a huge mistake to try and duck the debate). And Sarah Palin is being exposed for what she is, a cheap political trick.
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Sep 26, 2008 3:35:34 PM CDT
House Republicans solution to problem is less "government interf
by zooch
Isn't that what caused the problem in the first place? Their solutions to getting out of the hole we are in is KEEP DIGGING.
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Those of you ragging on Reagan in response to my comparison are really discrediting yourself; unless you're still in high-school, and haven't taken history yet.
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Legislation introduced by U.S. Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) that would provide up to a full year of job protection for a family member who is caring for a service member recovering from combat-related injuries today passed the Senate. It had 34 bipartisan co-sponsors.
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"Look at what he's introduced, who he's introduced it with and how he's introduced it, and you'll see he's capable, throughout his time in public life, of bringing people together," said Robert Gibbs, his communications director.
One example is Obama's partnership with Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., one of the Senate's most conservative members.
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WEAPONS PROLIFERATION: Obama teamed with U.S. Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., to sponsor a bill last year expanding efforts to locate and destroy weapons of mass destruction.
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Sep 26, 2008 3:41:50 PM CDT
Coughlin -- respond or start gargling my semen.
by dannyglovers_dickblood
Either way we're gonna have some fun.
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Sep 26, 2008 3:43:59 PM CDT
WHEN JOE BIDEN POINTS OUT THE RAPE KIT CHARGE DURING HIS DEBATE
by bringingsexyback
American women will run for the hills.
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Can't wait to see Coughlins' response.
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"Did Clinton? I mean the governor of Arkansas ain't exactly got the pulse of the world."Clinton could see Mississippi from his house!
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...to put an end to charging women for rape kits back in 1994. He voted against funding it again in 2007. What is it about rape that McCain/Palin find so appealing?
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I'll give you ONE. It's fairly recent, perhaps you've heard of it. GEORGE W. BUSH'S BAILOUT. Democrats (including Obama) support it. Senate Republican's support it. It's McCain and his cronies who are throwing a wrench in the deal.
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I'm not giving you shit. You're a fucking liar and a scumbag. And above all....you're predictable. Shut the fuck up. You got nothing.
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Yes. You are definitely a republican.
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What happened to her (him)? She literally came out of nowhere and was all over the place for years. You couldn't escape her batshit crazy anitcs and the all of a sudden...poof. She disappeared. It's as if she said one bugfuck carzy thing too many and the Fox News said "Okay, stop. That's it, crazy lady, get in the van with the men in the white coats." And they drove her to a cornfield in Nebraska and she's under watch 24 hours a day to make sure she doesn't escape and make the Right look crazier than it already is. I didn't even think about not seeing her until yesterday, but if I think about it it's been at least 6 months since I've heard a peep from her. I am I right? Did she just go away, or is she still in the thick of it and I've just been lucky enough to miss her?
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Trying to duck the debate was stupid. Mike Huckabee was one my least-favorite candidates (other than McCain), but he's dead right about that. Trying to duck the debate, and then caving, was ultra stupid. I suspect we will see it in the polls.
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Do you have a No Gays Allowed sign in your restaurant?
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"Sarah Palin supported legislation when she was mayor to have women that were raped pay for their rape kits."
She supported legislation? Really? I'd like to see that legislation she supported. Or some documentation of her support of it.
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OBSD, Ann Coulter is right here:
http://www.anncoulter.com/
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You said: You're talking about Republican Senators coming to the Democrat side. Give me an example of Obama joining the Republican side.
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and in the other two debates too of course. And Palin can't help look like a retard in her debate (if it ever happens). There is no way she'll come off good in that...she doesn't have it in her.
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If sexy never left, why do you have to bring it back? Seriously?
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Hateful rhetoric I would expect from someone that supports the individuals that support charging rape victims for rape kits.
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Sep 26, 2008 3:53:14 PM CDT
IS THAT RIGHT, DANNY - ABOUT MCCAIN VOTING FOR RAPE KIT CHARGE?
by bringingsexyback
I didn't know that.
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...is a total Republican issue. The right were all over that thing.
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After the election! You can come to my Obamarama party!
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Sep 26, 2008 3:56:07 PM CDT
Yes, McCain voted against Biden's legislation....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
....to make rape kits free to all rape victims.
Here it is. Send it to everyone you know.
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Usually it's to tap someone's shoe.
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Sep 26, 2008 3:57:19 PM CDT
Coughlin...I'm not gay.....though I have gay friends....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
And I would HONORED if you would gargle my warm semen.
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Awesome job everyone! AICN is more entertaining as a political site lately than it is for movie news.This TB needs to be bronzed and put up on the mantle. Pure gold.
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Damn. I thought (or hoped) that somebody put two in the back of her head, and nobody bothered to mention it. Oh, well. But lucky me, I haven't seen a sign of her for 6 months! Thanks for ruining a good thing kevinwillis.net! You and your damned internets!!!
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Thank you.
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Sep 26, 2008 3:59:58 PM CDT
McCain votes against Violence Against Women Act....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
..TWICE!!! The mother of all legislation dealing with violence against women is the Violence Against Women Act (VAWA), spearheaded by Sen. Joe Biden and after years of lobbying, passed in 1994. VAWA was signed into law by President Bill Clinton, renewed in 2000 and expanded in 2005 (signed by President George W. Bush).
VAWA's intent is to improve the national response to domestic violence and sexual assault. VAWA combines a series of federal sanctions and initiatives as well as national, state, and local resources to improve the response to crimes against women. These funds are committed to four specific areas: prosecution, law enforcement, victim service, and courts.
Sen. Biden foresaw the need for such legislation to, among many other things, infuse crucial funds into state systems to fight violence against women. In fact, Alaska's Council on Domestic Violence and Sexual Assault relies on monies from this act. The act requires federal fund grantees (states, Indian tribal governments or local governments) to cover the costs associated with forensic medical exams (including rape kits) in order to receive any VAWA funds. In order to receive these funds, therefore, Alaska state legislators in 2000, under Democratic Governor Tony Knowles, instituted the state law banning law enforcement departments from charging rape victims for their rape kits.
Curiously, while Alaska receives crucial funds from the VAWA act in order to administer its sexual assault programs, Sen. John McCain voted against VAWA twice.
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That's nice. And creepy.
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Sounds pretty gay to me. But what do I know.
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If McCain wins, I am convinced this will happen.
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And because I speak about gay stuff doesn't make me a homophobe. I speak about man on man ass fucking lovingly.....you were disgusted when I suggested you swallow my semen. You shouldn't be so close minded....feeling the stubble of another man's chin on your balls is a beautiful thing.
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You asked Danny if he was homosexual and then said "I'm sorry about that " if he was. That's called homophobia. But, don't worry, it's in line with the Republican party therefore to be expected.
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But she's wrong on Palin. But then, she's kind of "inside the beltway". Inside the beltway conservatives and the New York Time's pet "conservative" aren't going to like Palin. I wouldn't expect them to.
What's more, Palin could be a transparently bad pick--I don't think she is, but let's assume the left really wants McCain to have the best VP candidate possible, so their criticism is all from the heart--Parker has to be smoking crack to think that Palin stepping down will do anything but kill McCain's candidacy. Hell, I'm voting Obama if he dumps Palin. I won't sit it out, I'll vote for the Republicans in every other race, but I'll vote for Obama in the presidential column.
But it would be such a massive fail, clearly played out, and trying to replace the candidate so close to the election--it would be crazy. Political suicide. Any "conservative" writer counseling Palin to step down wants McCain to lose, or is too busy smoking crack to see the political reality that it would kill McCain's chances, slim though they may be.The biase of the MSM and the Palin Derangement Syndrome on the left is, while not a reason to vote the ticket, certainly motivating to many folks on the right. It would really be a good idea to piss all of them off? -
Last sentence he wrote here was, "The economy is just fine."
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She disappeared because she made the comment months back that she would vote for Hillary Clinton over John McCain. She's got nothing nice to say about Johnny "Crazy Arms" so she decided to stay quiet lately. -
Have fun tonight!
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...John McCain is 72 not 73. He turned 72 last month.
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"After the election! You can come to my Obamarama party!"
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Sep 26, 2008 4:10:36 PM CDT
Coughlins -- I thought you were leaving...HOMOPHOBE
by dannyglovers_dickblood
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could be. can't wait 4 this
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Sep 26, 2008 4:20:14 PM CDT
".....a bar of soap in your mouth, little boy..."
by dannyglovers_dickblood
This is just creepy. Very creepy dude.
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Would you like me to recap on how you repeated a Lie again and again about Palins Teleprompter for her prewritten speech going down and breaking ?
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Sep 26, 2008 4:21:32 PM CDT
I assure you my offer of blasting semen in your throat....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
...is genuine. I do not use that in any negative sort of way. It might be negative for you considering the size and weight of my testicles. But seriously-- I have no problem with the gay lifestyle. You are the one that is disgusted by the notion that two people of the same sex could love one another.
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Sep 26, 2008 4:23:26 PM CDT
I don't think jizz in the mouth is a derogatory thing
by caruso_stalker217
Coughlin seems to be the only one here who has a problem with the baby batter.
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http://www.buymyshitpile.com/node/1904
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Sep 26, 2008 4:25:27 PM CDT
Coughlin... I will honestly admit my real age....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
....if you admit whether or not you have ever had a gay experience. Obviously something turned you off to the whole thing....
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" wish how someone that wants to put semen in my mouth can turn it around and somehow say I'M the homophobe."
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You're going around crying about these "GOTCHA" politics being used on Palin and then you admit you didn't even see the Couric interview? Dude shut the fuck up and come back when you can back up your bullshit. Eat a dick.
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Sep 26, 2008 4:34:25 PM CDT
it really grosses me out when you call me "Little boy..."
by dannyglovers_dickblood
And I'm glad you realize homophobia is an evil, nasty thing. Does this mean you have opened up to the prospect of a tidal wave of my semen sliding down your throat?
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...I feel sorta bad. There hasn't been a beating that bad since your ex-wife's clit met my balls for the first time. Talk about swollen....OUCH!!
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FUCK OFF.
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You're right. Everyone should keep quiet about her....she will destroy herself....
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Is this The Bates' TB?
you should see her on heavy flow days...let my try and describe it..hmmm
Ok, you ever seen a really big deer on the side of the road after being busted to jelly by a semi?
That's it
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Sep 26, 2008 4:46:15 PM CDT
"In the end, who cares if she can see Russia, or if she has a pa
by frozen01
If she weren't running on her own so-called foreign policy experience, I might not. But seriously... she thinks she has foreign policy experience because you can see Russia from an island in Alaska?
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Coughlin "her teleprompter went down and she didn't have to wait
Coughlin - "her teleprompter went down and not only did she not panic, she got even better as she went on!!!"
"in contrast to Sarah Palin whose speech was better than mine and no one could tell her teleprompter went down!!!!"
"And guess what, her teleprompter went down and she didn't have to wait 5 minutes for it to come back on."
You not only believed the bullshit exagerations and Lies you parroted them several times as proof of Palins brilliance.
The Teleprompter didn't go down or break and it certainly wasn't off for 5 mins.
While we're at it CARE to make yourself look like a clueless fool again by raging furiously because you didn't know what the word "casualty" meant ?
Finally, how do you feel now that Palin has been revealed as such a fan of a Lunatic who Hunts Witches ?
Do you think this will go down well with Moderates ?
Perhaps witch hunting is no different than Moose hunting ? Palin lets the Church Elders flush the Witch out into the open and she takes the Witch out from above with a high powered rifle from the safety of a Helicopter.
Good Clean Fun for all the Family !
It scrolled up more than it should have a few times but it was NEVER Broken and it NEVER failed completely or went down for 5 mins and had to be rebooted or repaired.
Keep spinning coughlin or as others might have realised by now digging.
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"Kitchen table" economics isn't referring to just families with "small budgets". It's referring to most of middle-class America. The phrase "kitchen table" harkens back to the days when a husband and wife might sit and look at the checkbook together and see what they had to cut out of their budget or cut back on. This was usually done at a kitchen table because that was the largest surface in the home on which you could spread paperwork and was less formal than the dining room table. It's just a phrase, like "trickle-down" (money isn't LITERALLY trickling down). In this case it's come to take on the connotation of having to rearrange one's finances to make ends meet. Something a "large swath" of Americans are having to do right now.
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It was ALWAYS the Economy and in November you can bet it will BE the Economy. Palin is now a liability.
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Then you have to claim Jeremiah Wright and Obama's unsavory terrorist ex-friends.
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I agree with you. Neither McCain's POW days or Obama's community organizer days count as foreign policy experience. But Senators (and I'm referring to both Presidential candidates here) do have contact with foreign leaders and do represent America on occasion. Mayors and governors, not so much.
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Hopefully that will be enough to keep my house from being burned if and when Obama loses.
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I can understand being annoyed by it (I had much the same reaction to "straw man argument") but if the shoe fits... It doesn't really get the same point across to say "computer economics" or "desk ecomonics" ya know? But "kitchen table economics" you know exactly what they're talking about.
I think the term really works simply because it invokes the feeling of a family that isn't rich but isn't poor, either. If someone does their financial planning at a computer, well then they could be anyone. But a CEO isn't going to be balancing his checkbook at the kitchen table. A poor person isn't going to have finances to budget (yeah, yeah, speaking from experience!) So I think "kitchen table" works. -
And that Hitler was sent to hunt Jews ? and that Katrina was a punishment on New Orleans for their sin ? And that Catholicism was a great Whore ?
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Can we convert this unwanted surplus into something useful for the good of the Economy ?
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They all peddle their lies and try to convince the stupid that fairy tales are real.
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Obama/Biden 08!!
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surely you're not implying that black people will riot and burn down communities should Obama lose right?Of course you are, racist cumspaz. How easy that your pedestrian brain would assume the worst of certain groups of people.Should McCain win, I'm gonna sit back and laugh as he further fucks up this country only to say to those naive assholes such as yourself: "I told ya so".Egg on your face, not mine.
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...while all of those dudes "lay hands" on her or whatever it's called and talk about witches. Obama was a member of Wright's church but he was away a lot, so maybe he heard him say that shit, maybe he didn't. If there was video of Obama on his knees praying on stage while Wright danced around him and said "goddam Amarica" it would have been a game over.
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..the more chances Obama has of winning this election.She is one clueless bitch.That Katie Couric piece will mcCain's fate in the long run.Jeebsus!!
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And want to see something REALLY creepy ? Check out the photos of Brad Hanson and Palins husband.
http://tinyurl.com/47tq52
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...watch the Palin interview clips on a constant loop and laugh until it hurts...we'll laugh...we'll cry...there could be beautiful healing. I know I can't get enough...
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Screw the issues. Whomever candidate's presentation comes off as more presidential will win the debates and probably the White House, although, at this point, I think it's Obama's to lose. They'll be scored on categories of charm, sense of humor, wittiness, composure, and physical appearance. Points will be deducted for whining. Just ask Al Gore...
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Claiming foreign policy experience based on closeness to Canada is just as funny (but not as scary . . . and thats the point) as closeness to Russia.
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...abut Alaska's two borders with hostile countries (Canada and Russia) she looks and sounds just like a character that used to be on Mad TV...the one from the Midwest with the squeaky voice who always talked about being barren and whose fingers seemed to have a life of their own...
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...I have no doubt that Obama will talk good sense, but if he says "umm..." a couple too many times, or if he explains a complex issue from multiple points of view he could appear to lose. All McCain has to do is say "...I was a prisoner of war in Vietnam...America!...Fuck Yeah!...did I mention that I was a prisoner of war?...oh, and bomb Iran and Russia!...Freedom isn't free!...if comes at a heavy fuckin fee!. Prisoner of war. Good night!. I worry.
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...time ago. And I didn't "watch" it...I "flipped past it" accidentally while rushing out the door to have sex with beautiful ladies. A lot. The "fundamentals" of my sex life were strong even then...so NO, I didn't "watch" Mad TV and if I did I certainly didn't enjoy it. For you to suggest otherwise is sexist and cynical, and maybe even a little racist. Oh, and reject and denounce Mat TV.
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The Vancom Lady.
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That I think John McCain is an ok guy, even if I disagree with his politics as of late. In previous elections I had hoped he would win the Repub nomination because at the time he seemed better than the republican and the democrat candidates. But this Sarah Palin chick...its hard to express the revulsion I get when she talks...and the idea that if they got elected and McCain had a stroke or a 37th tumor or something and we ended up with HER as the president of the United States...I think that would be catastrophic. She's two times as batshit crazy, in her own world as GW Bush is, only she doesn't have the 'I'm a fun loving simplton, don't hold it against me' charm that Bush has to counterbalance it. If this crazy bitch ever became president, we'd be the laughing stock of the world, and probably engaged in a military conflict with every country that is run by brown non-christians.
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Just a fun show.
Don and Electroclash killed.
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Call your representatives and let them know that you won't stand for more corporate welfare, paid with money that doesn't exist. Enough!
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I'll just say that the whole Marxist Hack thing marks you as someone I'd rather not spend time discussing the merits of debating/not debating and the when/how/where etc of it. Particularly since I'm not a huge Obama supporter, that "your guy/my guy" cheerleading is damn uninteresting to me. Good luck.
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"And I can see Putin's plane!"
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...of the Palin interview. I'm not familiar with her as a reporter, but she is so desperately trying to arrange her facial features into an expression that makes some sort of sense...she's trying to appear respectful and as though she hasn't just slipped into a parallel universe where people boldly spout gibberish while authoritatively waggling their index fingers to emphasize non existent points...it kills me.
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He is obviously reasonable and intelligent but is high on Palin. It is the weirdest goddamn thing ... I mean, she looks and sounds LOST during these interviews, even the softballiest of softball interviews with Hannity. It's just hard to imagine taking anything else away from them. So much of what she's said contrasts with her record, this posture - which I understand is attractive to many - of a reformer, etc SOUNDS good but I just don't see the action to back it up. And of course the experience issue. I mean, any state - pretty much ANY state - other than Alaska and I could kind of see it. But the concerns of Alaska are so singular and so much simpler than those of most of the country. I just feel like with her specific type of experience - or lack thereof - matched with her strict, strict talking point adherence during the EMBARRASSINGLY few times she's actually been interviewed thus far ... it just adds up to trouble. I mean, some people wonder how people can be critical of her without hearing much from her as yet and it's like - exactly! Keeping her under wraps the way they have is a red flag if I ever saw one.
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Its about the apocolypse anyway...
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Is it really that bad? He's not a very effective debater but it's bizarre think it's some kind of a zinger to say "Obama says ummmm a lot! He's dead meat!" But ... maybe that's the way it is.
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has been refusing the secret service/body guards assigned to her on McCain's behalf. She said "I don't use protection." LOL!!
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...I'm not gay, nor do I have any gay friends. That's the way I like it. I've seen some of them...like, down at the beach...I wasn't impressed.
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So I don't know if this was mentioned because there is no way i'm reading every talkback post...but i'm thinking the debate is 6 p.m. PT/ 9 p.m. ET, not the other way around as Herc posted. Unless we're in The Bizarro World and the west coast is magically ahead of the east coast.
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instead of "Barack Hussein Obama" ... If you're gonna be "funny" do it right.
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was harder to watch then any of the Faces of Death movies combined or anything I've seen on Rotton.com. Jack Cafferty on CNN said it was the most pathetic thing he has ever seen. Watch McCain get super desperate in the coming weeks. Whoring out Cindy to suck off the five heads of the top oil companies. Gas will suddenly drop to $1.13 a gallon. McCain will whore out his daughter to Palistan's leader Asif Ali Zardari , and Bin Laden will be caught and hauled to America. McCain will win then die then Palin is president. She then picks her puppet husband that she cheated to be the VP. Levi Johnston (Palin's whore daughter's boyfriend) will beat his own kid's ass (because he said on his myspace page that was pulled, that he HATES kids)and he'll be sent to jail, then Sarah will abuse her powers and have released.
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...declarative sentences delivered in a psychotically confident tone. John Kerry wasn't a very compelling candidate, but he ran circles around Bush in the debates...but Bush could counter a three paragraph lucid argument by saying something like "...people...people want freedom!...I understand that!" and people cheered. I wash throwing shit at my TV.
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I shall drink every time B Hussein OSAMA does his "terrorist throat-clear" tonight. By the end of the debate, I'll be dead; not from drinking but because he'll have been phlegmatically signaling his Al-Quaida cohorts the whole time in a kind of snot morse code, and a nuclear bomb will be detonated with the final "hhgggggrrrraaaaahhhhhh ".
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As part of the NRA (Never Rescue Anything)she sends out a stimulus package (like Bush did to get us to like him), but Palin will also send a free rifle with it and a years worth of ammo (about 16,000 rounds). Then before her term is up all species will be on the endangered list.
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Don't say I never did anything nice for you, wingnuts.
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Everytime I read one of my fellow so-called 'conservatives' (what's so conservative about sinking lower than the level of the people you claim to despise, I wonder?) bring up Obama's middle name I want to grab them by the collar and wash their dirty little faces.
Ok, I'll put it into very, very simple terms, you jackasses, because you represent my party- The only people impressed by the middle name thing are people who think exactly like you, which is to say, not much and not well, so if you get off arguing with a mirror, or screaming into a paper bag, I'll leave you to it, and the rest of the human race will go on without you. You're not going to convince anyone not to vote for Obama that wouldn't have anyway. The other thing is- it's like wearing a sign that says 'I'm a poor, ignorant redneck and no one with any influence, power, or self-respect should listen to a goddamn thing I say.' Which maybe you are, and I in no way intend to offend poor, ignorant rednecks as a voting bloc. However, If you have pretensions of being educated, or knowing how to tie shoelaces, you're just embarrassing yourself, and me, and the Republican party, and anyone who knows that 'the Middle East' is not a country.
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God bless
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...can't watch this thing stone cold sober...I get too angry...bad for the heart.
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So in tonight's debate which candidate will send his sympathies first? Probably the first one to speak. Maybe neither because they wouldn't want to come across as "FAKE".
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His East Coast Elmer Fudd accent cracks me up!
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for someone not having 5 kids yet, she's about the same size/weight if not thinner now. WTF!
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...with the all black pupil Hellraiser eyes.
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http://steelturman.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/hillary_clinton_boobs_bill_cleavage.jpg
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cmon 14 mil dead is a worthy sacrifice !
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Sep 26, 2008 7:40:36 PM CDT
Palin is a hot MILF that would make politics interesting
by gus van rant
Show us them tits! ScriptGirl will be yesterday's news.
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Now I want to see her without Bush...get your minds out of the gutter.
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I can hang out with Carlin, Hicks and Russert and get their take on things.
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Kennedy first. This shows how much of a fucking leech he is. If he can attach himself to anything that will make him look good he'll do it.
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Obama seems to be more confident than McCain, who seems to be hesitating a bit in his speech. That said, I support Obama, so I'm biased.
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Because he's been campaigning all week, unlike McCain. Oh SNAP.
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like he would if he were in a casket.
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McCain is trying to act cool now. Advantage McCain. Obama has to strike back now.
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first. Tag.
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They need to talk to each other. If someones lying about you. You cut them off.
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The half dead fuck started to make a wrong statement and Obama slapped his bald head in the dirt.
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Sep 26, 2008 8:23:21 PM CDT
Obama - Buy your kids a computer. McCain - What's a computer?
by orionsangels
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McCain is being an asshole now
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Oh I agree. I was cheering for him, actually. I wasn't complaining or anything. Sorry it didn't come across that way.
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Ooo Obama with a low blow!
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His arms are welded in place when he was in a hole eating spiders.
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when you're that far on the left.
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and his cronies did on go no-where do-nothing policies, and then take the spending Obama wants to do, like improving infrastructure and other vital American projects, Obama saves the country a truckload of cash. McCain is grasping at straws.
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FINALLY. The money-pit that is Iraq. Go for the throat Obama.
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STOP ASKING THE SAME QUESTION 3 TIMES
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..keep in mind that there are things called "Youtube, and "The Internet".
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He asked the same question in 3 different ways already.
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...fucks me left and right.
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opponent is speaking. Bad debate etiquette- but then again, he is a complete noob.
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Just praise Palin? Wow, interesting considering the Repubs themselves are now starting to turn against her.
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And you're still alive...
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What, four years ago?
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Obama is really dominating this debate.
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Sep 26, 2008 8:43:01 PM CDT
McCain "wants us to finish the job" with the wars we're involved
by beamish13
Guess it's time to go back to Korea and finally end that cliffhanger we declined to resolve over fifty years ago. Imbecile.
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If we have too.
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over there and do it soon. McCain can twist the facts on Iraq all he wants - Obama has hit all the key points, and McCain is diverting it by attacking Obama for taking too long to visit Iraq. It's crap.
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~70,000 there, and who got us into that shithole- the dems.
And shitheads like Kerry attacked US soldiers in Congress, leading to our embarassing exit,in defeat.
If we'd had a McCain in office back then, we wouldn't have left until we'd acheived victory. Defeatist dems; always on the wrong side of history.
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I'll agree it's a fantastic debate, but I personally think it's far from a tie. I think Obama is really pulling ahead these last 10-15 minutes.
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..water theme in the McCain/Palin camp. She's a barracuda(sic), and he looks like a Great White!!
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is the Sith Lord we've been looking for.
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Obama comes off like a first year medical student questioning the wisdom of an wise, experienced attending.
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is the Sith Lord we've been looking for.
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Sep 26, 2008 8:50:09 PM CDT
McCain is being so fake!!! God help us if he becomes President
by orionsangels
I fear for this country.
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Skinjob, you, idiot, thankfully are a minority of one. Asshole.
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I disagree. McCain is not wise on Iraq and Obama nailed it when he said he's acting like the war is a year old, as opposed to 5.
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and make Obama look like he's against the Troops.
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You can quote me on that, douchebag.
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...surprising.
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..this debate that makes me want to eat a double cheeseburger from McDonalds?
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USA! USA! USA! We never lose wars!!! USA USA USA! Fuck you. That was cute 6 years ago. You know how many sons and daughters have died over this unjust war! Over 4000.
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You, on the other hand, make the common mistake of all soft-headed lunatics- you think saying something like we should have stayed in VietNam makes you sound tough, when all it really makes you sound like is a completely stupid waste of skin. Also, blaming the whole thing on one party is the worst kind of partisan hackery, You just declared yourself as someone not worth listening to at all. I'm ashamed people like you claim to be conservative.
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Sep 26, 2008 8:55:39 PM CDT
Anybody else watching this on CNN with the cool little scores on
by nam0krut
I think larry king died and nobody noticed, hes had the same score up there for the past 30 minutes
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I'll take that under 'advisement'
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and walks around like he has concrete in his veins. Good guy, but doesn't look like he can handle the stress for 4 years. And I dont want a crazy bible thumper running things.
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Sep 26, 2008 8:58:27 PM CDT
McCain is like my Grandfather. He likes to tell long stories
by orionsangels
He puts me to sleep.
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looks sooooooo nervous... He'll get stepped on by every major (and Minor) leader....
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but the GOP and I thank you for your vote. Sincerely.
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...tell a sad/inspiring little story about the Little Match Girl Who Loved America So Much She Was Willing To Die In Iraq?....sad little stories do not an argument make...
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Parties should be abolished! I'd be embarrassed to say I'm Republican at this point.
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complete sentence at least for once, damn it!!!!
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and Obama is winning. Obama 32 Mccain 11
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That story might work with those slow mid-west rednecks. Who are gonna vote for you, because durrr he's Republican! I have too durr!! but not here old man!!!
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Sep 26, 2008 9:02:03 PM CDT
Look at the Messiah fidgit,,,,, reminiscent of the
by the real jack bauer
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Are we watching the same debate? He keeps looking at McCain and McCain is NOT looking at him.
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...Wah!...Waaaahhhhh!
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That you're an idiot. Let me ask you, do you know anyone that died in VietNam? Didn't think so, prick. It's macho jerks like you that equate military might and wars with your own ego and sexual inadequacies. If we do win in November, it won't be because of pussies like you, but in spite of them.
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he's in a shit-hole cave right now, with no command and control. He's not a danger to the local rat population, let alone the U.S.
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Sep 26, 2008 9:03:58 PM CDT
Obama can't stay still..... NO Poise=No confidence. period
by the real jack bauer
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You mean you Agent? Stand down you little midget!
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I mean think about it. If he was, wouldn't he just love to rub it in, by releasing voice and video tapes. Yet he never does.
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..I'm from Indiana. I'm not voting for Mc pain. Please don't make assumptions...I said ass.
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garbage and jam it firmly up your ass. And it's not 'if' we win. Even you should be able to read the tea-leaves in this election (and here's a hint: it's not what the MSM profess).
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...argues with tear jerking little stories...
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polly want a cracker?
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Sep 26, 2008 9:07:44 PM CDT
Obama keeps saying "Senator McCain is absolutely right..."
by banzai rootskibango
...so the guy has probably never been more right AND wrong at the same time in his 400 years of life?
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Sep 26, 2008 9:08:14 PM CDT
Now the Messiah says, Iran IS a threat.... make up
by the real jack bauer
your friggin mind. President=decisiveness, not flipper- flopper
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sheesh.
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Because I said SLOW midwesterners.
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...Obama said he had a bracelet too.
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its Ahmadinejad dude
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Go fuck yourself. You're the worst kind of Conservative. We don't need you, so go better yourself, read a book. preferably a history book. loser.
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If so, what a disrespectful prick.
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I am slow. Very slow. I read what you said, but it didn't rejistar I gess. Sory.
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And thank you.
Can I re-join the 'good American' team now. I promise to be good and not point to Obama's inexperience or his running-mate's well-documented corruption (ignored by the media).
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LOSE YOUR TEMPER YOU CRAZY OLD WAR MONGER! LOSE IT!
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Sep 26, 2008 9:14:30 PM CDT
hahaha! the average north korean is 3 inches taller than mini-me
by orionsangels
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...it's funny. McCain looks like he's gonna blow his top and Omama looks like he's gonna go into convulsions.
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I'll be shocked if the media doesn't come down on McCain for that mini-rant there - where he basically turned his back on Obama.
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IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU SAY JOHN MCCAIN!!!
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...with the whole preconditions thing...
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Would be a nice symbol, but he's not calling the shots anymore. Just a symbol, and he may actually be dead as someone mentioned. Our efforts would be better spent in the war with Al-Qaida.
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Would be a nice symbol, but he's not calling the shots anymore. Just a symbol, and he may actually be dead as someone mentioned. Our efforts would be better spent in the war with Al-Qaida.
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The Internet. Working at home. McCain never used a computer in his life. McCain is backwards. This isn't the 50's old man.
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..."Orgy" and "Dick" in this debate. I'm waiting for "Cunt" "Cooz" and "Cocksucker..."
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He doesn't answer the questions asked and weirdly brings up his talking points where they don't apply.
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...suck a schvili.
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Course some thought 2 were more than enough but it seems that's just the tip of the iceberg.
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he got almost every freaking bone in his body broken while serving his country...... not due to lack of knowledge.
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..."Senator McCain and I both agree..." "Yeah, yeah...all that stuff...I agree with all that stuff he just said..."
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Couric: “Incidentally, we confirmed Henry Kissinger’s position following her interview. He told us he supports talks, if not with Achmedinejad, then with high level Iranian officials . . . without preconditions.”
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http://www.army times.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/
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http://www.wspa.com/spa/news/l ocal/article/gas_stations_still_running_empty/8823/
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but is anyone else kinda bored? Seriously, I love me some brown sugar... excuse me, President Brown Sugar... but ?????????????????? Nothing new here yet, am I right?
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...just turned to the other and all you heard was a shitload of bleeps...well...fuck politics, I'd vote for that guy...whoever it would be.
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Seriously, he's a helluva lot better than these two buffoons. http://tinyurl.com/4urkh7
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the majority of energy
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Hilarious, but remember Howard Dean four years ago? Bleeps would be the end of the man in politics...forever.
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HOW THE FUCK DOES A DAY TRIP TO AFGHANISTAN QUALIFY YOU TO BE PRESIDENT?????? I used to like McCain. I mean, REALLY like him, but he's pissing me off.
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We saw an experienced, wise and pragmatic man giving in depth answers to FP questions. Obama- not so much.
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..and that blue line mirrors McCains heart monitor!! "Flatliners" remake anyone?
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...I may not agree with you about President Brown Sugar...but you're right about being bored...I've already heard all of this shit.
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Dude, all due respect - you're out of your mind.
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...PYYYYAAAAAAAAAA!
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McCain is shitting on obama. someone blow the rape whistle for him damit!
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Sep 26, 2008 9:29:44 PM CDT
Obama now agrees with Regan and missle defense!!!!!
by the real jack bauer
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Sep 26, 2008 9:30:04 PM CDT
According to Obama, Al Queda is operating in 60 countries...
by banzai rootskibango
...that's more than my small business. FUCK!
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he's telling his stories again
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Sep 26, 2008 9:31:37 PM CDT
may be you could rent space on there backs to advertise?
by the real jack bauer
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that thing is fucked up
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Sep 26, 2008 9:31:52 PM CDT
CNN line plummeted when they switch to McCain
by dracula_wants_the_amulet
Who's playing that line game. Looks like fun
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Sep 26, 2008 9:32:06 PM CDT
McCain looks as if he is about to shoot laser beams...
by banzai rootskibango
...from his eyes.
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A Flatliners sequel! Why didn't I think of that?
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The fact that she didn't have a FUCKING PASSPORT until 2007, and CLAIMS THAT BEING IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO RUSSIA QUALIFIES HER TO DEAL WITH FOREIGN POLICY ISSUES, is a fucking affront to humanity. If her daughter "has a miscarriage" - yeah, that's in quotes- before her debate, I would not be surprised. Palin is a dude. I will argue that to the end.
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what senator obama doesnt understand is that i understand what he dont understand, do you understand jim?
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Was that so bad? Ok, you can go back to DC now and save the country now.
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Sep 26, 2008 9:33:39 PM CDT
I think that whenever Obama hears the sound of his own voice...
by banzai rootskibango
...he gets an erection.
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He looks like my Grandfather when he can't work the remote or his cell phone.
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are a member of the Media.
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...that's where I made my mistake. Those fuckers are smart.
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Sep 26, 2008 9:35:02 PM CDT
McCAin just bitch slapp the messiah with his own failures
by the real jack bauer
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before the line dropped down massively just a few seconds ago.
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McCain said we need more flexibility. McCain. That's good.
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the turtle peeks out
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have "I'm a lying sack of shit" written all over his face?
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...and "going at it." I like where this is going...they're gonna start making out before it's over
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Sep 26, 2008 9:37:12 PM CDT
Obama "playing the chilllllllldren card" --pathetic
by the real jack bauer
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McCain was a POW???? HOLY SHIT I DIDN'T KNOW THAT!!!!! I'm totally voting for him instead
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...there goes Obama's erection.
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That was a question, not a sentence.
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I'm still not voting for your ass no matter how many times you try and garner sympathy by mentioning it.
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were they have sex with the wifes
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Sep 26, 2008 9:38:44 PM CDT
Obama started off tonight looking like a babbling IDIOT....
by big dumb ape
...And went downhill from there. And now as they talk actual foreign policy he just looks smaller and weaker by the minute.Agreeing with McCain, pseudo intellectual asides to try and rationalize points that don't really connect, saying he'll do one thing but then pandering the next ("We do have the cut the budget and spending, I agree with John, I will have to cut my campaign programs, but the Chinese are going into space so we need to spend money to match them!!!").Man, this was a total schooling of Obama and bitch-slapping upside the head that showed JUST what a media created, empty suited, slick talking con artist he is.This wasn't even close in my mind. More important, this debate will seal the deal for McCain with white, blue collar, middle Americans for sure since yet AGAIN Obama hasn't given them any reason to believe he's anything more than just another politician looking to grab power for his own fame. He's just the younger, better speaking model of it -- but still an empty suit all the same.And now on national TV to probably record audiences the fact that the Emperor has no clothes has really been exposed...
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..is hotter than Sarah Palin. There, I said it.
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See you next week when Biden destroys Palin, if the Repubs don't manage to get that canceled/if AICN posts a talkback.
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See you next week when Biden destroys Palin, if the Repubs don't manage to get that canceled/if AICN posts a talkback.
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Dirty slut.
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Because I have no fucking clue how he came to that conclusion.
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And lets face it if you think the Economy is goin away you living in a dream world.
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Is he running for President or General? Please can we start focusing on the people of the United States. This whole country has become about Iraq and McCain seems to love that.
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Sep 26, 2008 9:42:11 PM CDT
To sum up the debate, skinjob69's opinion notwithstanding
by billypilgrimisunstuck
1. McCain wants to reform pork barrel/earmark spending (i.e. the Big Dig in Boston). Obama wants to dismantle Bush's (and apparently McCain's) tax policies of more for the rich and less for the poor. 95 percent of American families (those that make less than 250,000) would have static tax rates, as opposed to McCain's policy where tax brackets would be split and be "fair".
2. McCain can't admit that he's ideologically wrong when it comes to foreign policy in the Middle East. McCain tends to spew out didactic and anecdotal sentiments when justifying the stay in Iraq. Obama, like a true spineless democrat, should have hammered him on this.
3. McCain blinks a lot. I think it's morse code for, "THE OTHER DUDE IS BLACK. ARE YOU SERIOUS?"
4. Obama refers to McCain as Tom or Jim sometimes, giving more creedance that Obama has a gay lover named either Tom or Jim.
5. McCain can't pronounce Ahmadinejad. Palin responds, "I dont know what that is".
6. Pedantic and esoteric rhetoric is all that debates show. Both candidates look like asses and the people who haven't already made up their mind already pick the better looking one to win. -
but hell the vp debate might actally be just as funny
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Sep 26, 2008 9:43:00 PM CDT
Obama just finished having sex with his wife
by dracula_wants_the_amulet
McCains is still waiting for the Viagra to kick in...
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Your screen name is so very apt. So if Obama actually acknowledges that the issues are complicated, he loses? Excellent point, buddy. GUESS WHAT APE, they are complicated, which is why SMART PEOPLE should be president and not flyboys-with-lots-of-heart. Give me a break.
Anyone for whom this debate seals the deal already had their deal sealed. Nothing new here, people. -
Not surprising since you just spent the last 90 minutes imagining a fantasy debate. Maybe you can catch a repeat on YouTube?
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I spent 6 years in a blah blah blah! We get it old man. Yes getting our Troops home is important, but what about the economy?
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Cuz you must've been watching the wrong debate.
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not ready to be president. not by a long shot. if he does win, america is screwed.
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Dude, I'm all for Big O, but belittling what he went through, seriously, not good. There's PLENTY to go after with McCain without his POW record, dude. I mean it.
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Can I call ya A.J.? Great. Thanks. Palin is definitly a MILF. However, I'm more worried about the fact that her breath would smell of Venison and dry Deer blood. That's kind of a turn off. When the debates were over, and Mrs. Obama went to greet her husband, I got a great view of dat ass. I'm in looooove!! I've seen Palin in a Bikini. It ain't that great. I'd rather masturbate to Tina Fey.
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Cuz she's gonna need the Power of Jesus when she gets up on stage with Biden.
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I went after how he keeps using that in his campaign. We know his story.
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And come Monday it's still going to be the Economy. And after that, every single day until the Election.
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Don't agree with all of that, but you must be a Vonnegut fan- so I will cut you slack, sir.
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I really do, I'm just trying to say that, as fucking obnoxious as it is that he beats that dead horse, we've got to take the high road and beat the FUCKING SHIT out of the fact that, at the end of the day, McCain means four more fucking years... and then we get HILLARY. Please, God, save me from this fate...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ds-FUdaBHHY
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I do enjoy you.
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..and I'm ready for some Call of Duty 4 online?!! Who's with me?
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Deal. I'll get the Strawberry Milk.
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No, friend. It SHOULD be the economy stupid. It will be "AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!" which is frightening on so many levels
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As opposed to: a dwindling economy in whcih the last eight years promoted policies that were detrimental to both main and wall st? A ideologically incorrect war that did nothing but stew up hostile sentiments that lasted ever since the 3rd century over the spirtual leadership of the Imans? A four year period with the possibility of three new Supreme Court Judges that can possibly roll back the social progress of the last few hundred years?.....sounds super.
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War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength. Enjoy your world, man. . . float away and enjoy it. . . ahhhh. . .
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I don't think she would want to discuss anything afterwards. She'd just want to smoke a joint, and listen to some Isaac Hayes, or Stevie Wonder. I'm good with both. Palin would pretend to spit out my sperm, then proceed to go to the bathroom, rub said semen all up in her vagina, then, 9 months later a retard would pop out. I can't have that...
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not with that jawline....i swear looking at her, I've seen someone who looks like her in a film....i just cant put my finger on where and what film.... as for Hot first ladies, Cindy McCain and Sara Palin are smoking......
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...Obama kept agreeing with him about everything. He did it like 17 times.
If this was a boxing match, McCain would have clearly been the aggressor and all the points go to him.
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Sometimes behind my desk at work, too ... yeah.
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'nuff said. hey why don't they ditch the VP's and run on one ticket?
I wish they would have talked in detail about Democratic Bailout plan and the Republican workout plan. Why didn't the democrats pass their own plan since they have the major in both houses? They could do anything they want. I think this debate was overshadowed by the Bailout and Ted Kennedy. -
There was no clear winner. No major mistakes. McCain lost by the sheer fact that he's behind and needed to kill Obama on foreign affairs. He didn't. Franken-McCain can now head back to Washington and try and take credit for the work of others. It's all he's got left.
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Cindy McCain looks like a Stepford wife. And Palin looks like Tina Fey hit by a truck.
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Don't you wish. Don't you wish.
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No amount of spin or irrelevent wedge issues or "folksy" rhetoric or blustering War talk is going to stop it being ALL ABOUT THE ECONOMY now.
This Financial shit isn't even HALF WAY through. And Wall Street and Main Street are going into lock step VERY SOON. -
is a good ride..too bad more people are not watching it
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..between Christiana Amanpour? and the gray haired fella has got a serious case of the stink eye.
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that looks nice, like a moving comicbook. and republicans are evil aliens, bush is a bumbling, well intentioned boyscout compared to mcccain.
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So will Obama's. McCain doesn't want you to know that. He lied about how much Obama plans to spend and did not mention how much he does. He says he can offset it by limiting earmarks, but that would only offset it a measly 18 bil, while his war plans could skyrocket to defecit to historic highs of 300 bil extra. Obama laid out a SPECIFIC 4-point plan to fix the economy. The extent of McCain's talks on the economy were spent arguing about spending.
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Biden can have a debate with himself.
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McCain was full of lies and gaffes. They are all over the news.
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He was crushed tonight. McCain came acrossed as condescending and rude. Obama destroyed in the first 40 minutes of the debate. McCain then got into Iraq and did a good job of getting his point of view acrossed. Obama seemed too hung up on the past judgement calls and not the future. Then Foriegn policy kicked in and McCain got a point on the mincing words preconditions thing but that was it. He looked either foolish or self aggrandizing..sheriff, maverick etc etc. Several of his answers had nothing to do with the questions and he went about name dropping to the point where I had no idea what he was saying. Obama dodged one question, Russia, but pretty much owned McCain the rest of the time. McCain was making weird faces the whole time he wasnt talking and said things like "Second Holocaust" and "3 Inches" which were non sequitors. Obama looked presidential, McCain looked awkard and felt condescending.
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"McDonalds has a lower risk of default, as expressed in the Credit-Default Swap market, than the United States Federal Government."
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Foreign policy is McCain's turf, but Obama held his own. It was McCain's debate to loose, but he didn't deliver a knock out punch.
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Republicans were placing an awful lot of their hopes on McCain pulling strongly ahead from this debate. That isn't going to happen.
And all the remaining debates will also be framed by the Economy. (including MOST amusingly Palins) -
McCain looked very tentative at first on the economy. Obama scored very well with a decisive point by point explanation of what he would do. It may not have been anything new or exciting, but it was a clear separation from the nothing offered by McCain. McCain also looked very weak with regard to the tax breaks he would give to businesses. Obama hit him hard and well on the loopholes that allow the companies to escape the 35% taxes they now have. When the debate shifted to Foreign affiars, McCain was back in his element and showed an ease an confidence that he clearly lacked at the beginning. Obama, held his own though. He made no mistakes, and although he was by far too deferential to McCain, he showed a very good grasp of foreign policy, and gave no ground when pressed. McCain clearly has the superior resume when it comes to forein policy, but Obama highlighted that experience does not necessarily equate to wisdom. Obama should have been more forceful in tying McCain to Bush, and he was too deferential - saying 'John is right' etc. But he shined in the economic segment, and held his own in foireign policy. Therefore he lost no ground. McCain, was tentative in economic policy - but he made no gaffes. He was very good with explaining his travels and knowledge of foreign policy, but he scored no telling blows against Obama. Neither hurt the other in any way. But because McCain trailed in the polls, and because he did not really do anything positive in the economic discussion, he may not gain much if any ground from this.
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to play any of the nominees and families?
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hahahahaha. F-U Republicans!
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And thank God too.. All the post debate polls show Mcain winning by 75% which is huge... I would not trust Obama with our military... He has 0.000001% experience militarily in a time when we are facing a grave threat not only in global terrorism but in nations that are turning against their neighbors. Obama's economic plan includes raising taxes on all of us since everybody will be affected by huge tax increases to the companies they work for and all the products they purchase. The only way Obama's economic plan would not affect you is if you lived in a box and only took Government handouts. THe moment you go out to your grocery store and buy milk that now costs more, it affects you..
Overall I am proud of Mcain's performance and demeanor at the debate and he really showed Obama up by his vast foreign policy experience. -
IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID! IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID! IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID! IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID! IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID! IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID! IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID! IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID! IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID! IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID! IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID! IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID! IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID! IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID! IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID!
Hasn't that sunk in yet ? -
handles more wood than a lumberjack.
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And higher income taxes don't effect the price of milk and shit. The price of gas effects the price of milk.
As for foreign policy experience, McCain had so much experience he voted for the Iraq war. And still pimps the surge, which was a gamble, to put it mildly, that only worked because we started handing out $300 in cash to the people who were shooting at us. -
Seriously how fucking dumb do you need to be not to realise it's all about the Economy and that's the only game in town.
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I've suspended my employment with my company. Until Monday moring. When I have to go back. I only pretend to have a spine.
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Sep 26, 2008 10:52:48 PM CDT
OBAMA'S BRACELET GAMBIT WAS MASTERFUL (AND HE WORE A FLAG PIN)
by bringingsexyback
He brought to the fore the voices of parents whose voices are often drowned out by the war-mongering choruses. It brought a tear to my eyes.
Thank you Barack, for trying to save lives.
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Can no one think for themselves? Did you guys watch the debate? Did you here McCain say the things he said? Did you here Obama duck and dodge foreign policy? At least show some objectivity otherwise discussion is meaningless.
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The poor bastard can't even look his opponent in the eye and admitted on national television that the U.S. engaged in torture. Oh, and how does all that "experience" in foreign policy help him when he mangles the name of Iran's leader not once but twice?
Obama FTW. McCain? BOOM...Outta here.
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played exceptionally well with Independents. It showed Obama to be consistently even-tempered and reasonable, and with great potential for bipartisanship.
That Coughlins hates it is inconsequential. He's already on McCain's side. McCain won over no one with his belligerence, mocking and generally erratic performance. -
Anyone even remotely objective knows why it's the NUMBER 1 ISSUE for voters by a HUGE margin.
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Something that really annoys me...John McCain's obsession with Iran's President Ahmadinejad has to stop.
Despite the title of "president," Ahmadinejad is not the leader of Iran. The leader of Iran is the current Ayatollah, not the president. The president is in charge of appointing and oversee the executive branch bureacracy, and has no actual foreign policy or military responsibilities. The Ayatollah has the final say in all decisions, and is charge of foreign and nuclear policy, and out-ranks everyone else in the country. -
zip it.
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Sep 26, 2008 11:15:48 PM CDT
IT WOULD BE NICE IF MCCAIN WAS AS PASSIONATE ABOUT PROTECTING AM
by bringingsexyback
as he showed himself to be about protecting Israel. The irony is that his predisposed hatred of Iran endangers Israel more than it helps her.
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Ongoing violence is down, but Iraq is still the most dangerous country in the world.
Life in Baghdad certainly is better than it was 18 months ago, when some 60 to 100 bodies were being found beside the roads every morning, the victims of Sunni-Shia sectarian slaughter. The main reason this ended was that the battle for Baghdad in 2006-07 was won by the Shia, who now control three-quarters of the capital. These demographic changes appear permanent; Sunni who try to get their houses back face assassination.
The surge only achieved the degree of success it did because Iran, which played a central role in getting Nouri al-Maliki appointed Prime Minister in 2006, decided to back his government fully. It negotiated a ceasefire between the Iraqi government and the powerful movement of Muqtada al-Sadr in Basra, persuading the cleric to call his militiamen off the streets there, in March and again two months later in the Sadrist stronghold of Sadr City. But even that ceasefire is now deteriorating and coming to an end as increasing numbers of Shia Militia are signing Blood Oaths to fight the occupation despite Muqtada al-Sadr's public calls co-operation.
Put simply if you are dealing with Iraq you are now dealing with a proxy Iranian Regime and Government headed by Nouri al-Maliki.
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Sep 26, 2008 11:30:57 PM CDT
MCCAIN'S CAMPAIGN CHIEF IS CURRENTLY ON FANNIE MAE PAYROLL
by bringingsexyback
There's some honesty for ya.
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When will you guys select a candidate who can debate better than a 12 year old.
Look lets be clear- Obama is an idiot. He thinks that giving tax cuts to a low middle class (that already pays very little in taxes as anyone who pays attention to IRS figures knows) magically “creates jobs”. I guess his theory might have a sliver more of truth if we weren’t in a global economy and have a populace that buys most of its goods after being made overseas….Obama also hysterically (well really sadly) doesn’t get that lowing taxes and costs on small business owners and the upper class AS WELL encourages and allows more investment in our markets and encourages people to create and grow business (and business EQUALS Jobs- it ain’t that complex). And last tie I checked, creating jobs is what that expands the middle class…so yes Obama is an economic retard…..
But for goodness sakes why do Republicans keep electing presidential candidates who can’t elucidate simple and time proven facts like this without stammering out incomplete sentences and making disjointed points….I mean Bush then McCain? …..Really? You pick the WORST debater in the party 12 years running now? Wow…really….wow.
I mean Obama elegantly and in straight forward and confident detail states moronic and ignorant positions…and Mc-Lame’s reply is to fumble around like George Bush’s slightly smarter brother (Note: That’s not a compliment)…
I mean really….WTF…. Mc-lame can’t explain the substance he has all over Obama, and style-wise he has all the polish of a grad-C slasher/titty flick…oh and the fact that Mc-Lame laughs like Beavis and Butthead doesn’t help either.
Maybe someday we’ll start getting choices better than dumb and dumber to run this Country…but I guess the earliest that will be is 2012- what a sad time to be an American.
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Maybe if we were Israel he would give a flying fuck about us.
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That was the most brutally honest post yet from a Conservative. Bravo, seriously. It was refreshingly honest.
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Both are usually squabbling and fighting for power but on the Ground it is the Militia who rule.
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KEEP IT UP!!!!! ECONOMY = EVERYTHING
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http://perot charts.com/challenges/
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Sep 27, 2008 12:05:53 AM CDT
http://video.goo gle.com/video play?docid=-9050474362583451279
by shermanium65
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Hey Bring, I am a conservative because they are right about most things….I started life as a Lib and gravitated as I learned…so truth is truth man. Like Bush before him, the openings to make Obama look stupid were laid out time and time again….
But Obama came through with confidence and clear, concise explanations (which means more than they technically should as these trump facts in winning a debate)
And when combined by Mc-Lame not showing up on many levels for like 70% of the debate, Obama won the debate despite being wrong on about 80% of he issues and ….but he won clearly nonetheless. And looked good doing it.
It is painful to watch this level of ineptness….To tell you who I would pick both on a deep intellectual level and due to his capacity to debate on a high (almost incomparable) level- I ‘d take Gingrich- Mc-lame debates like someone who has attended one class in a Gingich doctorate program on conservatism….Mc-Lamne is a freaking amateur with a complete lack of natural debating skills to boot.
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That said, as I mentioned before, Gingrich was still dreadfully wrong to impeach Clinton…I don’t make my opinions based on a cult of personality or hero worship (something Dems generally seem to do that drives me nuts- not that I think this of you at all from what I have observed)….anyway if someone’s wrong – they’re freaking wrong….screw the “R” or “D” at the end of their name. And Mc-Lame SUCKED tonight.
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Look out for the end of next week...
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...and distinguishable from the old simply by the fact that it is impersonal -- that there is no human relation between master and slave." - Leo Tolstoy
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...that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies." - Thomas Jefferson.
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...to obtain a single amendment to our constitution - taking from the federal government their power of borrowing." Thomas Jefferson
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McCane looked like a crazed madman simmering with hate and scorn on that stage. Obama, was calm, cool and collected. Once again, intellect and wisdom wins over paranoia and insanity.This was the Kennedy and Nixon debate all over again, and the new Kennedy, Obama, won handily.
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Sep 27, 2008 12:25:27 AM CDT
"When a government is dependent upon bankers for money...
by shermanium65
...they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes... Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain." Napoleon Bonaparte
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...in any country is absolute master of all industry and commerce... And when you realise that the entire system is very easily controlled, one way or another, by a few powerful men at the top, you will not have to be told how periods of inflation and depression originate." James Garfield
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Is watching only Fox News. The post debate numbers are actually the opposite of what this gentleman just spouted. . . unless your a myopic Faux News disciple. Enjoy your fantasy world. . . close your eyes and wish it all away . . .. ahhhh . . .
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...it expects what never was and never will be." Thomas Jefferson
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McCain needed a clear and decisive win tonight. I expect to see him slip further in the polls this week and plummet after someone gives Palin a mic next week, unless McCain finds someway to prevent that debate from happening.
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"looks like the guy who used to spray me with a hose when I walked near his lawn" Mr. Dark
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They lost me when they both agreed on the ridiculous Bailout. Suprrise, surprise! JPMorgan and Citicorp are in the top 5 financial contributors to BOTH McCain and Obama. The banking lobby has buttered both sides of this rotten bread, and the corporatocracy is stronger than it's ever been.Enjoy your Republicrats, America. You allowed it to happen.
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Really tskes a toll on the person just look at Obama he is starting to go really gray during the debates..
If he wins and serves as president expect him to look like "Uncle Ben" by the time it is all said and done.
As for McCain I'll be surprised if he doesn't wind up in a coma after blowing a gasket..Then we
would have "Sister Sarah" leading us on the road to Armageddon skipping happily all the way..
Is anyone worried besides me?
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they're Demicans
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That was no debate. McSame wouldn't even look Obama in the eye. Obama was on the defensive, trying to play the cool nice guy, appealing to all americans. Guess what?: This country is massively divided. Take a stand Obama. These are not debates. Talking about eachother like their opponent is not even there. Weak weak! I give the first round to McSame. Obama, you know you can do better than that. How can you not be able to completely trash that old fart after the BS the GOP put us through for 8 years? Oh, yeah, "I want to be a uniter". Doesn't matter. This election only depends on where you stand on gay marriage and abortion anyway. The USA is fucked.
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Sorry McCain lovers, your joke of a candidate got his ass kicked.
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You are right Ye....McCain got his ass kicked by a moron...sad but true...and people who don't know better will understandably be swayed by a polished dog and pony show that easily trumped a bumbling Mc-lame. -
October Surprise!
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McCain Wins Debate ! Before it even bagan.
Although the fate of tonight's presidential debate in Mississippi remained very much up in the air before it started, John McCain had apparently already won it -- if you believe an Internet ad an astute reader spotted next to this piece in the online edition of the Wall Street Journal this morning.
"McCain Wins Debate!" declares the ad which features a headshot of a smiling McCain with an American flag background. Another ad spotted by an eagle-eyed observer featured a quote from McCain campaign manager Rick Davis declaring: "McCain won the debate-- hands down."
**** So don't be too surprised when the Republican drones come on claiming a "hands down win! later on. Since they were saying ti before the Debate had even Begun.
Competent AND Humble ! McCain Palin 08! -
http://tinyurl.com/4ajkz2
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especially when he smiles with those freakish looking pointy teeth.
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McCain- Nixon
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Sep 27, 2008 2:51:04 AM CDT
COME ON LETS DO IT!!! LETS KEEP THE REPUBLICANS IN THE WHITE HO
by brighteyes
When the president talks to God
Are the conversations brief or long?
Does he ask to rape our women’s rights
And send poor farm kids off to die?
Does God suggest an oil hike
When the president talks to God?
When the president talks to God
Are the consonants all hard or soft?
Is he resolute all down the line?
Is every issue black or white?
Does what God say ever change his mind
When the president talks to God?
When the president talks to God
Does he fake that drawl or merely nod?
Agree which convicts should be killed?
Where prisons should be built and filled?
Which voter fraud must be concealed
When the president talks to God?
When the president talks to God
I wonder which one plays the better cop
We should find some jobs. the ghetto's broke
No, they're lazy, George, I say we don't
Just give 'em more liquor stores and dirty coke
That's what God recommends
When the president talks to God
Do they drink near beer and go play golf
While they pick which countries to invade
Which Muslim souls still can be saved?
I guess god just calls a spade a spade
When the president talks to God
When the president talks to God
Does he ever think that maybe he's not?
That that voice is just inside his head
When he kneels next to the presidential bed
Does he ever smell his own bullshit
When the president talks to God?
I doubt it
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Considering what the US has been through with Bush the last eight years, I am flabbergasted at the support McCain garners. It is like 'the emperor's new clothes' and I am waiting for someone to point and go 'look!'
To pick Palin is grossly irresponsible and shows the greatest problem I see with Republicans and the Republican party.
Winning is everything. Winning comes first and no means are spared to achieve it. Even putting a clearly out of her depth person on for something as important as the vice-presidency. She is chosen purely for being a youngish attractiveish woman. She has no other merit, no more substance. It is an appalling disrespect for the people of the US to make such an ignorant choice. Pun intended.
It shows that the US and what is really good for the overall 300 million Americans - these are a distant second to Republicans.
I feel for the country when the main point for McCain is not to put forth a policy of his own but to try to spread lies about his oppononent as the main thing. He's not strong enough to be elected himself, so he makes people vote 'against' McCain. Or tries to, at least. It is weak and unworthy of such a large democracy.
When Rove himself says on FoxNews right-wing network that McCain leads the most untrue campaign in presidential campaign history; it shows clearly two things.
The neo-conservatives have run the country into the ground.
They will do anything, ANYTHING to stay in power.
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McCain is afraid to look at us he would not talk to us was afraid to look at Barack......
McCsame need to take a few lesson's from Barack.
Scores from the Debate
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And a lot of you people sound like 15 year old angsty types. Really? Are we gonna quote a 4 year old Bright Eyes song and think we're profound. These people are trapped in a time bubble. Get over hating Bush and get over yourselves. You can't change the past. You kids are getting caught up in the election season and don't know how to process your feelings. If you can't see positives and negatives with both candidates your letting your judgement be clouded by ad campaigns. Try to rise above the fray.
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just in case putin rears his head over the airspaaaaaace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yeah, let's just repeat the mistakes of the past and elect another fool president. That's the ticket!
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For crying out loud, if you look at the TIME poll map it looks like a giant Obama win. Gee, I guess that would be fantastic for Libs EXCEPT......The whole thing is a fucking statistical joke. Look at North Dakota as the perfect example. According to TIME, 100% -- WOW! A solid 100%!!! -- of North Dakotans feel that Obama won the debate. But gee, how can that be? After all, in all current polls North Dakota is a solid McCain state. In fact, he actually leads Obama 55-41 in that state, a solid 14% difference. So how could North Dakota give a 100% score card victory for Obama? Did Obama really do THAT well tonight and covert an entire state over to his cause?Oh, look...what a surprise...the answer is no. Even though on the surface and to someone casually looking at the TIME map it does VISUALLY show that 100% of North Dakotans feel that Obama won -- yet it isn't until you roll your cursor over the graphic that it actually reveals that ONLY 5 PEOPLE VOTED. Let me say that again -- FIVE. Yet mathematically, TIME then took that full 100% and rolled it over into the pverall count to help pad Obama's numbers.I figured when the debates came around that the media (utterly in the tank for Obama as it is) would only ramp up their biased coverage...they'd find ways like this to try and make everything LOOK great for Obama...but the TIME map takes the cake. Talk about truly pathetic.Then again, there is a great thing about checking out TIME.com. Notice on the opening page there is a commentary you can click on: "KISSINGER: Obama Misstates My View. Despite Obama's debate argument, the former Secretary of State says he does NOT support direct talks with Ahmadinejad."
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Is it a requirement for republicans to mention Reagan at least 10 times while they're speaking? And I'm starting to think these bracelets will be the latest fashion trend! Seriously though... if I answered questions like they did, I would fail all my classes in college.
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Friggin Happy Hour I tell ya.However I must give a Shout-out to this thread for somewhat keeping me up to speed.And judging from the TB comentators, McCaine was McSlained!I'll catch the Debate later on courtesy of you-tube or the friendly neighborhood torrents. Oh and there's also Realtime with Bill Maher...gonna be a busy day today.
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Samsquach & 900 lb Gorilla, I respect and applaud your honesty,However calling Obama an idiot is a bit too much dontcha think?Shit we had the "American Idiot" in office for 8 Years and now it's time for a change.Bush's legacy has tarnished the image of the reps, not to mention this recent economical crisis.Gorilla, you think Bam is an idiot, wait till/if McCain wins,dies during his first term and see what Failin Palin will do to this Country.
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He schooled Obama on foreign policy. McCain pointed out it is naive to unconditionally meet with your enemies--heck, even the French do not want to meet with the Iranian president--and pointed out Obama's lack of knowledge about strategies, tactics, US military capacity, and how to coordinate anti-terrorist efforts with allies like Pakistan. all obama could do was grimace, smirk, and stumble over his words.
"Uh, I have a bracelet, too. Steve, uh, his mother give it to me. and it's, uh, better than yours!"
Give me a break. Obama even said he agreed with McCain seven different times!
Bottom line: obamaspoke only in vaguegeneralities promoting his plan of class warfare, proving he has no substance. McCain gave pointed answers. He scored big in this debate.
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please go and watrh her on couric this week. Then come back here and tell us that you seriously don't mind the idea of her being potentially the president. That it doesn't trouble you in anyway.
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when the poll on foxnews.com has obama winning.
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Sep 27, 2008 5:49:38 AM CDT
so mccain claims of working across the aisle are a sign of great
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yet obama saying he agrees with mccain on a few topics is a sign of weakness?
God I love the double standard of the right. This is meant to be mccains big debate. All he did was not lose as bad as we hoped. By the last debate if he continues to run his campaign as well as he flies jets obama will have an unstoppable lead. -
Obama sticks to issues and facts. McCain has lost the ability for "straight talk". Also. how can you say that a guy who was raised by a single mother, sometimes on food stamps and mostly later by his grand-parents and worked his way up to ivy league schools, and having the choice to go into the private sector went into public service -- an elitist.
McCain is third generation navy man, both his dad and grand-dad were navy admirals (my bet, not broke) and marries into one of the richest families in arizona and doesn't know how many houses he owns, but he is the salt of the earth?
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He already had your vote. Yippee, he kept it. He was going for the undecided votes, and probably didn't end up picking them ip. The debate was a draw. Stay tuned...
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Seriously, there's lies then there's lies. McCain is just another republican snake.
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and then no more damn political commercials...'Course then the complaining and blame will start-Not MY fault I voted for the other guy.......
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We disagree on the effects of Obama's policies, but that's okay. Among his esteemed advisors are Warren Buffett and T. Boone Pickens, and that's more than half the battle.
I am confident he will have the best counsel during his Administration, and you and I probably agree that's the most important aspect of a Presidency is to have a competent VP and Cabinet.
McCain, however, will have Sarah Palin on the wings, and counts Joe Lieberman as his top counsel. That's quite a departure from Obama. With Lieberman, you know McCain's priority will be for endless war, not the economy, not America.
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... it's code for "the middle class needs to shut up while they get robbed blind."
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"the great potential to pleasantly surprise you with his Administration"
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if one of the topics is witchcraft.
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For Obama to lose the election he would have to call a news conference and say the word "Fuck" over and over.
The Right-Wingers hate McCain, even though he is their best chance they have of keeping the presidency. The dominance of Right-Wing politics in America is over. They will be reduced to the small minority of Americans that they truly are. Face it, if a majority of Americans vote for a black man with a Muslim sounding name instead of a white man who is a war hero, then you need to just accept reality dudes. Go buy a farm in South Dakota or something... -
Sep 27, 2008 7:57:31 AM CDT
AH AMA AAH AH MUH AAMA UH MM DDEE NEEE NEEJA AMA DOOO
by bringingsexyback
No, I wasn't speaking in tongues.
I was replaying McCain pronouncing "Ahmedinejad".
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the only real question is how the electoral college goes....at the moment Obama has a SLIGHT advantage...IF you can believe the polls....and IF the college kids actually show up to vote....
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That right there is a real reason why he's doing so well...JFK came off as a breath of fresh air from the rest of this uptight stuffy fatcats before he took the reins, and had the fire in the belly to back it up. Obama is taking on that mantle right now, especially from what I saw in the debate last night.
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Sep 27, 2008 8:11:30 AM CDT
SARAH PALIN MAY HAVE AFRICAN PASTORS LAYING THEIR HANDS ON HER
by bringingsexyback
But clearly it's Obama who has the Christ's blessing.
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If there was just one reason alone as to why I wouldn't vote for Obama it would be for the fact he supports the Employee Free Choice Act that will bring back big labor unions to our workforce. If that legislation passes the Senate and he is in office, it will be passed. That piece of legislation will take our workplace 50 years and bring back the Teamsters, etc. to full force. That legislation allows for the secret ballot to be done away with when voting in a union to a company, it allows for intimidation to be brought back to the workplace where union members can essentially go to your house to pressure you to join, and it allows for a gov't appointed mediator to ensure a contract is struck and that mediator can actually be a union member. Unions are why are auto industry is in shambles. Their need died with the plethora of labor laws that were passed over the past 5 decades. This will set America back...bad. Look up the legislation and you will disturbingly suprised.
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or as i like to call it, the war monger hour. i watched like the first hour, then switched over to Joel Mchale's The Soup, because i so needed to wash the past hour out of my head. one guy being a war monger on Iraq, another guy being a war wonger on Afganistan. I couldn't stand it. This country is financially circling the drain and these bozos still want to waste trillions of dollars on war. So my choice of who to vote for come November is clear, either Nader, Green Party or Libertarian. Will it be a wasted vote? Probably. Will I be able to sleep at night? Affirmative!
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How many other ways could there possibly be to say it I wonder ?
The once crucial debates are now growing less and less crucial with every unprecedented Bank, Company, Corporation and small Business collapse, inflation and unemployment rise, knock on effects on payroll, credit(obviously), savings, pensions and the whole fucking Economy.
The Bailout is NOT a full stop even if it gets passed. The bad debts will keep rolling through till about 2009 at least and House prices will not suddenly stop falling after the bailout.
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It's gonna be a landslide.
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Sep 27, 2008 9:38:05 AM CDT
Just watch, Joseph Biden will RIP Sarah Palin to pieces in VP de
by badwaldo s revenge
Did you see these Charles Gibson and Katie Couric interviews with Sarah Palin. DISASTEROUSLY astoundingly. It's mind-fuckingly obvious Palin is a dimbulb who truly do not qualify for the VP slot. She's a liar who define the term "moose shit" (def: "lying bold-facedly with abject cluelessness"). She's a fundamentalist Christian who believes in the Rapture (dominionist).She's one heartbeat away from being a president and that's fucking scary! VP debate will be the most entertaining debate ever. McCain is a smarmy, pompous idiot. Looks like Obama will win this election in a landslide. Pity Nader is not allowed in the debate because it's a rigged electoral process (thanks Commission for Presidential Debate, FU!)
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a 50/50 split is more likely....
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Seriously, what an imbecile. You are the left’s version of a racist.
You can pick on the God thing all you want….that’s not my thing at all, but besides mischaracterizing what Bush has stated as his Christian faith, you neglect that the greatest Presidents in history- both Dem and Republican have publicly asked for Gods help. I may not believe what they do, but watching someone with your reaction is just embarrassing.
JFK had a couple speeches that make W’s comments look tame, Lincoln and Washington referenced God in key scenarios, and FDR said a 6 minute prayer with the nation on the radio while he was sending men to die on D-Day.
Were Kennedy, FDR, Lincoln and Washington a bunch of dim witted god-crackers….or are you just an idiot?
I go with option B.
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No calling Obama an idiot is not too much-its actually almost an understatement.
Bush is an idiot, but Obama takes the few things Bush understood, and would screw that up too. Indeed many of Bush’s MISTAKES were being too much like Obama –especially regarding the Economy….. and too little like an actual conservative.
Change can be good…..and it can be bad….and changing the economy in the direction Obama professes is profound stupidity to a point that I cant believe anyone would follow it. That would damage the economy far worse than the problems we now face do.
Obama also has no clue on foreign relations despite having a nice speaking voice…an easy one Mc-Lame missed was Obama’s goofy comment about North Korea..which was (for a time) a success BECAUSE of Bushs strategy of breaking off solo talks and insisting on multilateral negotiations with the nations in the AREA that would pressure NK….this would be a longwinded discussion, but Obama is beyond amateurish in foreign relations as well….I wont even get started on energy….
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Actually, "class warfare" is code for "let's make everybody poor." The far left seems to romanticize a nation of paupers ruled by an elite with special privileges because they suffer the burdens of leadership. Did you wonder why Obama and Biden are such skinflints compared to McCain in charitable giving? They literally figure they gave at the office.
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The build-up of Sarah Palin stupidity must be discharged as a Tina Fey skit no less than every two weeks to prevent brain failure.
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As to your question McCain; in office would simply keep us on the same half bad course for the economy and maybe get rid of some earmarks….Obama would destroy the fundamentals of what makes our Economy what it is. (Dems have already eroded much f it over the decades with weak kneed and republicans who are really far more political than they are conservative . But that’s another discussion)
Like I said before this election is between dumb and dumber…and unfortunately I have to vote for dumb because dumber is much much worse. …
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Who does this Arab think he is, AGREEING with his opponent at all? That must mean he's a spineless coward.He got schooled by McCain on the elegant lines of McCain's profile, etc: "See, that's my ear hair, whippersnapper!"
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Are you kidding? you think biden is better?
he introduced obama as "Barack America" LOL
He said Roosevelt addressed the nation on TV about the depression in 1929. LOL Roosevelt was not president then and TV was'nt invented
he claimed they were not supporting clean coal when Obama is, OOps!
he asked a fellow senator who is wheel chair bound to get up repeatedly. A fellow senator and he does not know he is in a wheelchair?
he got one thing right when he said Obama would have been better off with hillary, another major Gaffe by the way LOL
If Sarah did any one of these things the press would have a field day but because it will hurt the medias golden boy Obama they sweep this stuff under the rug but it is all out there if you google or youtube it.
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its a shame Bush burned him I' doubt Colin Powell would ever return to politic after his past experiences...course if i was dreaming I could hope for 4more yrs of Bill....or that the last 8 hadnt happened....
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Was call Obama "boy." But hey, I can see how he appeals to the racist xenophobe block.
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Yeah, Senator Biden is senile. The fact remains Sarah Palin is a dumbo. How about this: Senile, long-winded Biden versus barely coherent, dumb brunette. I bet Biden will brush up with his debating skill to destroy the "pitbull with a lipstick" in the debate so bad she will beg for euthanization. If Palin falls on her face on the debate, this seals the deal, but conservative voters won't care because they want GOP to retain White House to run America into the ground regardless of atrocious performances on the debates.
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IT'S A CONSPIRACY!! Don't you see it? Wake up people!
Everything is a distraction. It's all smoke and mirrors so Palin can take over.
Palin is an ESKIMO WITCH. Alaska secede? Don't you get it? They're going to TAKE US OVER.
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McCain could have won if he was "allowed" to choose Lieberman as his VP. I say "allowed" because the current Republican Party is controlled by right wing fanatics who would rather lose an election than nominate a pro-life VP candidate. So McCain chose Palin...watch the Couric interview online...I am against Palin, but it even makes me cringe. She should resign right now, so McCain can pick someone who can put sentences together.
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but in either case history is made- old guy and woman or black man and old guy......
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I liked McCain's tight smile/grimace during the debate whenever Obama was getting under his skin. It didn't take much!
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Sep 27, 2008 11:20:16 AM CDT
A few gaffes in which Biden is talking out of his ass
by le vicious fishus
doesn't equal the two intensely painful clusterfuck interviews that Palin has done so far. Biden is interviewed CONSTANTLY and actually does very well. He has a tendency to say some freewheeling bullshit when talking to the people but when sitting down talking policy on the fly, this guy knows his shit better than just about anyone.Bottom line: Palin doesn't know her shit. That's why she isn't allowed to talk to the press. That's why she isn't allowed to conduct press conferences. That's why she 99% of her appearances over the past couple of weeks have been cancelled. Palin is an incredibly embarrassing disaster for the McCain and the republican party. She simply doesn't know her shit and sounds like a airheaded fuckwit when she tries to bullshit herself through an answer. Biden will eviscerate her in the debate this week (unless the McCain handlers can think of a creative way to get her out of it).
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We will respectfully continue to disagree on Obama's policies, but on the matter of energy you might find this article interesting:
http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/15/news/economy/500dollaroil_okeefe.fortune/index.htm -
Sep 27, 2008 12:01:53 PM CDT
LE VICIOUS FISHUS - LONG TIME NO SEE IN THE POLI TALKBACKS
by bringingsexyback
So right about Biden. The man is taking questions practically every day - from people and press. 1 or 2 gaffes out of hundreds of questions? Fuggediboudit.
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From CNN:Regardless of which candidate you happen to support, who do you think did the best job in the debate -- Barack Obama or John McCain?Obama 51%McCain 38%Did _______ do a better or worse job than you expected?Obama: Better 57%, Worse 20%, Same 23%McCain: Better 60%, Worse 20%, Same 18%Next, regardless of which presidential candidate you support, please tell me if you think Barack Obama or John McCain would better handle each of the following issues:• The war in Iraq: Obama 52%, McCain 47%• Terrorism: McCain 49%, Obama 45%• The economy: Obama 58%, McCain 37%• The current financial crisis: Obama 54%, McCain 36%Thinking about the following characteristics and qualities, please say whether you think each one better described Barack Obama or John McCain during tonight's debate:• Was more intelligent: Obama 55%, McCain 30%• Expressed his views more clearly: Obama 53%, McCain 36%• Spent more time attacking his opponent: McCain 60%, Obama 23%• Was more sincere and authentic: Obama 46%, McCain 38%• Seemed to be the stronger leader: Obama 49%, McCain 43%• Was more likeable: Obama 61%, McCain 26%• Was more in touch with the needs and problems of people like you: Obama 62%, McCain 32%Based on what _______ said and did in tonight's debate, do you think he would be able to handle the job of president if he is elected?Obama 69%-29%McCain 68%-30%A CBS poll on undecideds shows that Obama went from a +18 on "understanding your needs and problems" to a +56. He also went from a -9 on "prepared to be President" to a +21.Now, I'll wait for the obligatory Obama-bashers to discount these numbers knowing full well they would be rejoicing over them if they read differently.
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The Transco license to build and operate the $26-billion pipeline to transport natural gas from the North Slope to the Lower 48, through Canada is now in jeopardy.
This will require Palins DIRECT intervention this week as though Transco claims it's "fundementals are strong" due to recent Market turmoil the License is now hanging by a thread.
It seems that, Wasilla Interest Trading Credit High-interest Economic Securites, have exploded and cannot be stabalized without Palin's personal supervision.
Palin will travel to Alsaka this week and personally supervise the hunting of these W.I.T.C.H.E.S. with the aid of her Preacher Muthee she will personally cast out the financial Demons infecting these W.I.T.C.H.E.S. to ensure a lasting Energy Solutioin to help America face the 21st Century Energy Crisis.
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Sep 27, 2008 12:26:43 PM CDT
GAIUS - DID YOU THINK THAT AFTER OUR FIRST INTERACTION
by bringingsexyback
those few years ago, that you, DocPaz and I would be so aligned politically? What a ride we've been on in this country ...
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Looks like Fox News' attempt at starting a bullshit rumor went nowhere. Their spin doctors must need a checkup.
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Talk to God about this woman! Lord make a way! Lord make a way for Sister Sarah!
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Well, not exactly. I think in principle, we probably were more aligned than we may have thought at the time. However, you had a tendency to veer off into certain wild territory and speculation that served as the cause of a lot of our initial disagreements/arguments (the zfisk/homewrecker debacles notwithstanding).But indeed, it has been a ride. And I'm still amazed at the lack of progressive thinking in certain people...especially those in these AICN Talkbacks.
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But wild territories are where the fun's at. And now, Sarah Palin's given us the gift that keeps on giving ... teh witchcraft!!!
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Wait for the "I need to spend more time with my newborn" press conference, any day now.
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I'm deeply religious you dumb mook haha. The whole point of that song is that the President uses God's name as an excuse to go invade and do whatever he feels like. Are you dumb or just illiterate??? It says does the president ever think that that voice inside his head is really his. Don't you feel foolish now :) and if there's one thing in this world I despise more then anything it is people who use God's name for political pull without actually believing or actually learning about the Bible and God. You probably fit in that circle just fine.
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1. Polls use landlines, and ignore cell phone use. I'd say that whatever the polls say right now, thre's at least a +3 to Obama. Many younger people use cell phones completely, and youth tends to vote a little more liberally. . . . . 2. Polls do not use newly registered voters, and the Obama campaign's voting drives have been hugely successful. I'd add at least a couple points there as well. . . . So, unless my some miracle McCain has a 5 point lead going into the election in November, then he stands little chance of winning. Likely, considering that a debate on McCain's strong suit had independants leanding toward an Obama winner. We're going to see a shift to Obama over the next month as he sways independants in the next two debates. McCain definitely holds his own, but every time Palin pens her mouth, she turns off independants (of course, she's only there to placate the base anyway). My prediction is 58/41 for Obama.
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Obama fucking OWNED McCain bitch. Come in here and take your medicine.
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Considering how crucial some form of faith is in order to get elected even to the lowliest seat of government, it stands to reason that many of our 'leaders' are at best ambivalent towards the question of whether or not there's a God. Considering that there is a direct relationship between education, IQ, and atheism; that is- the smarter, better informed you are, the less likely it is that you will believe in some codified religious story as literally true. (Obviously a gross generalization, yet statistically accurate)
Since most politicians, despite their many failings as human beings, at least tend to be educated, intelligent people, it makes sense that there are more than a few closeted atheists in government. Even Thomas Jefferson questioned the existence of God, so there's a historical precedence here. God and religion is a system of control, to be wielded (or not) by those in power.
This says nothing about the actual question of whether or not there is a God, nor does it disparage those who do believe in some form of religion, but it's an interesting thing to consider that for those of you that consider it to be a severely important aspect of your lives, and for your decision making process at election time, consider that this supremely sacred and important thing might be prostituted for votes, at your expense. If it's significant that your candidate believe in God, how significant would it be if he or she were discovered exploiting your faith in order to manipulate you? I imagine it would be a bit of a deal-breaker. -
Anyone who doubts the stupidity of the American public should just consider the fact that fake wrestling is a billion dollar industry.
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is the cnn poll the one were more demorcrats were asked than republicans (because it seems like they were just simply more of them watching). Because hat should be factored in any analysis of the numbers
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McCain was so very recently the favored son of Sunday morning gasbags, arm and arm with Joe Biden himself. McCain supported and continues to support a liberal agenda, by and far. McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy, McCain-Leiberman, to say the very (recent) least. Yet the left wing attack machine came out in droves since he clinched the nomination. Hope it was worth it, John. You deserved it.And I think a LOT of you people here in TB have forgotten about this, or you just reached your 18th birthday and are just now exploring your new right to vote. Not that there is any shame in that, of course.Either way, no matter which candidate wins, the Democrats win. If it's McCain, then you have a familiar and welcome friend in the white house that is known for supporting your tentpole ideologies if not your pet, fringe projects. If it's Obama, then, well, we'll be left to hoping that a leftwing congress will protect us from an ultra leftwing radical just like how those of us in my home state of MA hope our leftwing Legislature will throttle our radical Governor. Hint -- it isn't going very well for us.McCain blinked a LOT and Obama kept attempting to make eye-contact. Yes, McCain did great on substance. Obama wouldn't have agreed with him so much if he felt otherwise. But substance doesn't matter this year. It's all about presentation now. And I am amused how so many of you here fault Hollowood for being all style and no substance -- yet that's exactly how you're going to vote.Welcome back, Carter.
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Talk to God about this talkbacker. Lord make a way. Protect him from the witchcraft. He does not see that Obama is about style AND substance. Lord open his eyes! Make a way!
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Sep 27, 2008 2:18:44 PM CDT
Baliout Deal looks like it will happen will McCain claim credit?
by g100
We all know WHY he might try and do it since his Economic credentials and postitions are, shall we say, not quite fundamentally strong ?
But WILL he get away with it ?
Sadly for him I doubt that anyone will buy his sudden transformation into Economic Grand Master. Nor do I think the Congressional Dems are really stupid enough to let it play out like that.
If a Deal goes through that Deal will be a compromise that in no way resembles the original Bush Bailout. And the only way it goes through is if EVERYONE puts their name to it. No one person or Party will stand alone and possibly get shafted or claim credit for enabling a 700 BILLION or so Gamble.
It also assumes that there are no more Dominoes to fall. Even if the Deal passes that is wishfull thinking. The poisonous debt riddled securities infect whole swathes of the Market. No Corporation or Company is truly safe. At best the Bailout Deal might remove the most obvious cancerous growths (if it works) but it's the cancer you cannot see and did not know was there that can be the most lethal.
For all Bush's lack of credibility because of his previous Iraq scaremongering and for all Paulsons lack of credibility for his and the Bush Administrations criminaly incompetent almost complete lack of Effective Regulation or oversight, the sad fact is even these clowns may have sufficient wit to tell that something is crumbling and falling to pieces arounf their ears. It's not all scaremongering I'm afraid.
Washington Mutual, MASSIVE as that was, may just be another Tremor and not The Big One.
Much as I would love to think No Deal passed might hurt those on Wall Street the public rightly blames, the speculators and short sellers and Bankers and CEOs whose unbridled Greed is one of the root causes of this, the sad fact is they will be financially secure however the cards fall. (Though from what I hear some might be currently fleeing to Tax Havens and away from some serious Criminal Investigations now underway.)
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Substance? From Uh-uh-uhbama? Really.Or, pardon the rhetorical question, are you baiting me? We've traded enough barbs by now that you should know that I'm agnostic. Google is your friend.
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Then again, BSB is more worried about a woman that allegedly (read: never) spoke to snakes than he is about a man that really does think he's speaking to a little boy that lives in a well...
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I'm not aware of that but if true, then it should be taken into consideration. What makes it more interesting is the fact that you have similar results on several different network polls and a lot of them take into account the number of undecided voters. I think that's an important dynamic.
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Trickle-down economics work?
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as people will claim that race doesnt matter to the polls but when it comes time to vote? Add to that a majority of Obama's support is the youth vote-can they Really be counted on to vote? then there is the right wingers- they will come out for McCain in force as its the only option they have.....
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Where have all the Republicans gone ? Were those twin icons of brilliance and competence Cheney and Rumsfeld Liberals ?
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Ol' Man River seems to be holding his own, but for every attack Johnny delivers, Obama proved himself well prepared.I kind of question cutting taxes for the Rich IE business owners, who may pack up and go elsewhere there may be far less cuts.Without business, there may be less jobs.McCain's Healthplan privatizaion ideas are untested and now is not the time to suggest doing so.McCain is riding on the fears of many Americans while questioning Obama sitting with enemies like the Iranian President..It's called Diplomacy stupid.If Obama wanted to meet with Bin Laden, then he's suspect but Castro is hardly a threat compared to Kim Jong.Obama had a point with McCain not meeting with the Prez of Spain, a NATO ally mind you.900 lb, once again I respect your opinions despite the fact that we disagree.But when it all comes down to it, McCain does not relate to the average Joe.They called Barrack an Elitist (or do they really mean "Upitty Negro"?) yet McCain owns 6-9 Homes, supported less funding for School Lunch programs and was against MLK having a Holiday..while Barrack turned down a high paying career to become a Community organizer which that asshole Guilianni made fun of during the RNC.McCain is the idiot for picking Palin (a female Dan Qualye..but far worst!!)
she's beyond clueless and a goddamn religous fanatic wait till she takes hold of the Whitehouse.That's a Sitcom worthy of WB/Fox programming." Variety says:It's the Bevely Hillbillies of the 2000s"!!As or Obama agreeing with John: "at least he's honest and respectful to a fault while not being totally bias douche like the little angry old fart.McCain did NOT points on Iraq, know this, there were NO weapons of mass destruction in the first damn place and now thanks to this war, there are more insurgents and more American deaths.I don't think McCain is a bad man, but ost of his logis is seriously flawed.......oh, did I mention how out of touch he is with the average Joe? -
Sep 27, 2008 2:34:22 PM CDT
Ommortal_fish you think this catastrophe is something that worke
by g100
It's a clusterfuck. A disaster of unmitigated proportions. A scandal that will haunt all the rabid deregulating idealogues and idiots for Decades to come.
Where exactly is the validation for trickledown Economics in that might I ask ?
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set standards- realistic income to debt ratio's for issuing mortgages,Ban adjustable rate mortgages...roll back interest rates to 2006 levels, allow interest only mortgages to be refinanced at the same 2006 rates...the banks would loose some profit, but would still receive some and in the end isn't some better than none-and people would keep there homes...everyone wins
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The uhs and the ums were firmly under control. In fact, he blew the teleprompter meme out of the water. Obama's one smart son of a bitch, and anyone who thinks differently hasn't done their homework on the man. McCain's certainly above average in intelligence, but--if we're talking sheer aptitude--Obama is pretty damned nearly a genius. All that stated, McCain was probably ten times easier to debate than Hillary Clinton, who--love her or hate her--has some of the meanest ass debating skills I've ever witnessed.Glad to be back, BSB.
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shes busy at her church having her witchdoctor put a protection spell on her and her binoculars in case putin rears his head in the airspaaaaaace!!!!!!!!!!!!! (the airspace is only 6,000 years old in case you didnt know.)
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A pity it didn't ring any fucking warning bells for Bush and the Republicans at the time.
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old + senility + dementia = president palin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You heard it here first. There should be a post election thread on this site, and I'll be happy to eat my words if I'm wrong. I know the polls, and I understand how the media tries to make it as fifty-fifty as possible. . . but it won't be that close. "Race will matter more than the voters say once they get into the booth" is not a very cogent argument. . . if your a replublican, it's perhaps a little wishful thinking, but that's all.
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It's Immortal, not Ommortal.Anyhow, for you to believe that this economic situation is something that could impact us all for good or ill, then you also believe that trickle down economics is real and viable, yes? After all if something doesn't have any impact on our society, then why must it be regulated or require oversight?And if welfare is such a bastion of the left, then why does it not also apply to capitalism? Is it another catch-all solution that works for only certain idealologies?There is a big elephant in the room here that political correctness prevents them from seeing.Welcome back, Carter.
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Since when was Privatising Profits and Socializing Losses Capitalism ?
Since when does the obvious interconnectedness of an Economic System validate the excuse for disproportionately rewarding those at the very top in the slim hope that the crumbs might fall to the bottom ?
Since when was Corporate Welfare a rallying cry of the Republicans ? And why would a Corporation NEED welfare since welfare is predicated on the need to prevent those at the very bottom from complete destitution, poverty, homellessness, hunger and death that the trickledown clearly never reached ?
Man up Fish. This was a colossal failure on many levels but the incompetence and greed of CEOs and Banks who made BILLIONS out of Sub-Prime is matched only by the incompetence and failure to Regulate the contagion of debt riddled securities like CLO's and CDS's that has infected the whole Economy like a cancer.
Good luck with trying to sell either the public or any future administration on more rabid deregulation or trickledown economics now that real fear is affecting so many about their jobs, pensions and finances.
Are you beter off now than 4 years ago ? I wonder how many will be answering that one positively come November ?
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And if you don't hear the words 'Complex Financial Instruments' which is code for - 'Dildo Too Big For the Country's Economic Asshole'.... (hold on a sec, choking on a chip from laughing so hard after typing that), come the time of the economic debates, then the country of America is truly fucked. What not enough people seem to realize is that we are sitting on the edge of an economic precipice. If we go over the edge, which I'm beginning to think is more and more likely to happen, then the U.S. as a world power is done for. No need to worry about terrorists, because our own people will become the terrorists in the greatest collective meltdown since the fucking Terror. What we REALLY need to do is GET THE FUCK OUT OF IRAQ - GET THE FUCK OUT OF AFGHANISTAN - FUCK PAKISTAN UP IT'S ASS - CLOSE AS MANY BASES AS IS FEASIBLE WORLD-WIDE - AND THEN START PINCHING OUR FUCKING PENNIES. Excuse the language, but it is truly amazing the ineptitude of those who are in a position to change things and the simultaneous deviousness of those who sought to make themselves as rich as humanly possible at the expense of the economic solvency of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. And here's the thought that's been occuring to me more and more as I sit down with my wife's friend's husbands who ALL work(ed?) in finance, either for JP, Lehman, Bear, Lynch... whomever... - they are all no better than the moronic gorillas in the movie Boiler Room. I work in the entertainment industry and always regarded people like Greenspan and the aforementioned gorillas as people who know a thing or two about economics, Adam Smith, the Great Depression, and so forth, but I now realize that, just like our government, there are no Stephen Hawkings working in their ranks. The only one might be Warren Buffet, and the big difference between the Oracle and all of the monkeys in the 'pits' is the he actually understands economics and world history. All of Wall Street, since maybe the 1980's, has been motivated by greed, fear, and ignorance, and all Buffet does is not let himself be motivated by any of the above. He is the richest (2nd?) man in the world because of it. I'm not sure what else to say except that we are all in this mess together, I honestly have no solutions, but I always imagined that someone who is making the decisions might, and that appears to no longer be the case. Watch this Bailout pass and the money start going to places that it shouldn't, the debt will start to bite people in the ass, the shit we're buying is tied to a million other pieces of shit taht are all equally worthless, and as it all unravels, so will the value of the dollar. It is SIMPLY, FUCKING, ASTONISHING that we still pour money that we don't have into the defense of a country that is one step away from being WORSE than the middle east. Dear God, I hope I am totally wrong and coming off like the old bum on the corner with the sign that says, "Judgement Cometh for you... tomorrow! And if not, the day after! Or someday thereafter..." How I PRAY that I am wrong. I am, after all, an American working in the entertainment industry who wishes to keep doing so with my head firmly planted in the soil when it comes to the shit that the bank is doing with my money. Unfortunately, as our grandfathers (mine at least) learned during the Great Depression, you BETTER know what you're worth and how far it will go and what's being done with your money, or might be spent on a unsavory things that you are totally unaware of - like a GIGANTIC DILDO.
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this has nothing to do with real economic theory, no matter how flawed it might be. This is about creating value where there really is none, selling it to make a fortune under dubious circumstances and market ratings, and, in the process, completely erasing the value and the liquidity of the American dollar. This is more about a magic trick gone horribly wrong than anything to do with actual economic theory that works, even if only in a model.
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Not how many times he didn't (which was WAY more)
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I Don't think this is quite a done deal yet, nor do I think it is certain to work anyway but from what I know of The Republican holdouts scheme they want LESS!!! Regulation and appear to think Private Companies will buy these Economic Dildos because the Taxpayer will insure them for Trillions.
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That to me is an absolute killer. And I've no doubt Wall Street would give their right tit to know whatever bizzarre criteria Congress are going to come up with to decide which are the most poisonous of the Debts and who gets the Bailout and what percentage and for how much ?
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I am not surprised. I think a lot of people are like me and are just burned out by this whole thing. I know who I am voting for and there is no swaying me at this point. That doesn't mean I am close minded, it just means that I have had months and months to see these two in action and I know enough to make an informed choice. The debates, to me personally, mean nothing. I mean seriously. I didn't watch but a few seconds of it and I landed right on the part where Obama says he was against the war in 2002. Yeah, I know he was. I have heard it a hundred million times. Same thing with Mccain. To me, this is all a game at this point- who will screw up, make the big gaffe, etc. It's all just noise. I'm just going to vote and let the chips fall where they may.
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Having a good cabinet is important, but members change and are in most instances not nearly as important as the president’s overall philosophy- as that will be what drives the overall nature of the decisions
As for those advisors, on the economy I’d take Palin over Biden (who is awful), and Buffet would be good with stock advice, but he’s no Jack Welch on economics.
I like that Obama talks to Pickens, but that’s pretty much where McCain is anyway….plus Obama has been anti nuclear and drilling- which are important aspects of this- just ask the French…Obama seems to be softening on drilling and nuclear reactors, but frankly that seems more because he can’t defend excluding them in a debate. I have very little faith in him here
The “endless war” comment is actually a lie- and the generals don’t agree on cited timetables- indeed though we may want goals-even ones you press for hard based on facts on the ground….but specific timetables are the dumbest thing you can do in a war- anyone who doesn’t understand that doesn’t understand the nature of war at all. McCain is for long term troop presence NOT long term war. He stated that quite clearly, his words were misquoted, and he is right anyway. We have a long term presence in MANY areas that are of vital interest too us- if troop presence = war then we are still in World War 2 and the Korean Wars-but we are clearly not…we are positioned to defend areas of interest.
My largest concern however, is Obama’s his idiotic view of economics as he has alluded to many times and described specifically in the debate- “bottom up” economics. It doesn’t work that way. He basically thinks that 2+ 2 = negative 4- so no amount of good advisors will have a prayer against his ass-backwards view unless he basically either becomes the EXACT opposite of what he has solidly stated he is all about….or an alternate dimension opens up and we enter Bizzaro-World.
Obama would wreck what is left of the economy-the lefts philosophy damages it in the first place- place by spending far more than we make on long term programs (war is bad enough, but at least it ends). Obama’s policy of discouraging business creation and by increasing business taxes and S corp taxes (which are taxes on people earning > 250K) when the economy it is weak is like changing from smoking weed to cigarettes when you have threat cancer. Staying away from that philosophy is indeed a major reason we have had the best economy on the planet for most of the last century…JFK knew this as well…and Obama is NO JFK. JFK understood why the free market works, Obama is stuck in the ideology that thinks the constantly disproven theories of Marx work better….so no….there is no chance Obama will pleasantly surprise me…he is a fool who starts with the wrong premise-and when you start with 2 plus 2 = negative 4, tweaking the way you work it might look good in an ad- but wont change the fact that you are moving in the wrong direction.
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or don't get your sentences out perfectly, every time that clearly means you have no substance whatsoever. D(uh).
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I tried to pull p the CNN article, but I thnk it was removed. Let me know if you have another link as I will read it.
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Actually I don’t feel at all bad. Bush didn’t use God as an excuse to invade Iraq which makes your initial post even dumber.
And as for me fitting in the circle of using God name for political pull- maybe you should take a 5th grade English class and then re-read my post. I clearly state where I am on the issue, but hat flew waaaaay over your head.
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The current economic crisis has NOTHING to do with “trickle down Economics” It’s actually socialism started b Clinton who wanted un-capitalistic loans to be made to those who could not afford them through Fanny and Freddy.
Indeed Fanny and Freddy were rife with political hacks mostly Dems) and gave significant contributions number 2 and 1 being to Obama and Christopher Dodd, (D), the chairman of the Senate Banking Committee.
Connecting this to Trickle down (or more appropriately to capitalism) as Obama has done is idiotic- the problem is based on a conflict of interest where lobbyists give money to those that oversee them-so they wont be regulated… in the private world that’s called criminal.
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...I gather that Barack Obama will be voting for John McCain. Who knew?
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He realllllllllllllllllly did.I know, I know. It's all you guys got. He says "uh" and agreed with his opponent a few times. Sure, it's not dead yet but go ahead and beat that nag anyway.
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"uncapitalistic loans" at the top. And NONE of them are friends with the Bush administration. What a total fucking crock of shit. The way I see it, 90% of these lair's loans were handed out during the Bush administration, and they did nothing to stem the flow of money and the repackaging of it as securities, even though there were many dire warnings from economists, many of whom said they have no idea whether there's real value in a lot of the shit that was floating around on Wall Street before all of this happened. And yeah, war ends, but it also means spending about the same in 5-10 years as even the most generous bullshit new deal lib welfare program would cost over 50. Bottom line - both sides are completely irresponsible with our money, just in different ways. And McCain, we wouldn't have any fucking veterans to take care of if we didn't start this bullshit 'war' in the first place. Just as the Repubs want us to be perpetually at war, so that we have a steady stream of vets, funerals, and hospital care to pay for, the Dems want the poor to STAY poor by subsidizing their whole life. They really have no interest in educating people to better themselves... they're just pawns in a political game where the taxpayer money is the prize that's up for grabs. None of them do anything that produces real value with the money. And you're an idiot if you think free market capitalism works without any kind of regulations. There's this little known human frailty that you may have heard of called GREED. The founders of our country warned against corporate charters that were too lenient and for over ONE HUNDRED YEARS kept very tight control on the granting of those charters and their limitations. I'm not gonna go on and on about this, but i will say this - because of that frailty known as greed, a completely free market system does not work because that society that enables it is then an imperfect reflection of the human beings that created it. The same is true of socialism and communism, both of which fail to take into account that all humans have a natural lust for power. Of course, Marx said you'd need a couple of generations to 'weed' that out and finally have that perfect chrysalis of a human, ready to be born into the perfect little commie. Why people continue to believe such drivel is beyond me. That we could spend millions of years fending for our very life as we evolved into homo sapiens and that all of those survival instincts would suddenly disappear so that we could all cooperate is TOTALLY asinine. However, the opposite is also true, and a totally unregulated free market system will eventually collapse as well as the wealth begins to accumulate in the hands of fewer and fewer people at the top, all built on the backs of the people at the bottom. Eventually, those at the bottom have nothing to lose and the movie starts all over again... probably after a lot of bloodshed. What has separated the U.S. has been and always will be the promise that if you come up with an idea, patent it, and market it to success, you too can be the next Steve Jobs, Michael Dell, or Ray Kroc. That hasn't changed, but NOT EVERYONE IS GOING TO BE one of those people, so there have to be protections in place for those that simply work for a company their whole life. WHICH IS THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE! Either we're in some kind of tremendous shift towards a complete new kind of economic age, which the country may or may not survive during the adaptation process, OR we really need to start tying a company's profits to how well it treats its employees... by LAW. This used to be something that companies could be counted on to do on their own, but as more and more 'company men' realize that they are but dinosaurs looking up at that bright object streaking across the sky, it has become apparent that it may be necessary to force companies to have SOME kind of responsibility to employees. This responsibility has been slowly eroded over the past 15 years through the hiring of consultants, the farming of work overseas, the use of temp agencies for work that would have previously been done by a full-timer, and the complete elimination of pensions/creation of ridiculous terms regarding medical benefits. Alright... I'm done, there's no changing anyone's mind in here about 99% of the time, but I just hope everything turns out ok, even though I kind of think it won't. Everything has a birth, a life, and a death, and the U.S. probably peaked just before World War 1 or just after World War 2.
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DAMN YOU SOCIALIST CLINTON!!!!
Jeeeeesus fucking Christ Are you Serious ????
Have you been sleeping in the same cryopod as Fish for the past few months ?
First I didn't bring up trickledown economics FISH DID. But if Bush's Tax cuts for the wealthy were an example of it do you seriously think Main Street America will be very keen on them now that the middle class is in mortal terror of this financial clusterfuck ?
For that matter if you think the Tax cuts for those over 250,00o are such a good idea why stop there ? Tell you what you lead the charge for Tax cuts over 5 MILLION since McCain was dumb enough to think that was a middle class cutoff point and I'll satnd back while you get slaughtered by an American public who, just might, have very little sympathy for that point of view right now.
As for the MYTH that this was somehow Clinton or anyone else Bullying poor defenseless Bankers into making loans to the poor via the CRA. Sorry it's complete horseshit.
Half of all subprime loans were made by institutions that are not subject to "Political pressure" like the CRA. And another substantial share of subprime loans were made by subsidiaries of banks that do not fully come under CRA. The number of riskier loans banks were forced to accept by CRA were not enough to be a problem by themselves.
And if the sub prime loans were such bad news for the Banks and others then they wouldn't have kept issuing them again and again and again. They were making the Banks and those who used them in pig in a poke financial "products" (CLO's & CDS's) unbelievable amounts of cash in the boom times and the fact that they were a huge gamble mattered little when the Gravy Train rolled into town.
"Indeed Fanny and Freddy were rife with political hacks mostly Dems" Oh REALLY ?
Then lets look at McCain's staffers. With solid numbers not assertions.
One of them was Fannie Mae's head of lobbying, and spread tens of millions of dollars around Washington in the form of lobbying contracts. A number of McCain staffers were on the receiving end of those contracts, collecting hundreds of thousands of dollars each from the lenders to rep their interests. And McCain's campaign manager served as president of a lobbying association that fought to protect Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae from the sort of regulation that McCain is now proposing.
Aquiles Suarez, listed as an economic adviser to the McCain campaign in a July 2007 McCain press release, was formerly the director of government and industry relations for Fannie Mae. The Senate Lobbying Database says Suarez oversaw the lending giant's $47,510,000 lobbying campaign from 2003 to 2006.
And other current McCain campaign staffers were the lobbyists receiving shares of that money. According to the Senate Lobbying Database, the lobbying firm of Charlie Black, one of McCain's top aides, made at least $820,000 working for Freddie Mac from 1999 to 2004. The McCain campaign's vice-chair Wayne Berman and its congressional liaison John Green made $1.14 million working on behalf of Fannie Mae for lobbying firm Ogilvy Government Relations. Green made an additional $180,000 from Freddie Mac. Arther B. Culvahouse Jr., the VP vetter who helped John McCain select Sarah Palin, earned $80,000 from Fannie Mae in 2003 and 2004, while working for lobbying and law firm O'Melveny & Myers LLP. In addition, Politico reports that at least 20 McCain fundraisers have lobbied for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, pocketing at least $12.3 million over the last nine years
For years McCain campaign manager Rick Davis was head of the Homeownership Alliance, a lobbying association that included Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, real estate agents, homebuilders, and non-profits. According to Politico, the organization opposed congressional attempts at regulation of Fannie and Freddie, along the lines of what John McCain is currently proposing. In his capacity of president of the group, Davis went on record in 2003 and insisted that no further reform of the lenders was necessary, in contradiction to his current boss's sentiments. "[Fannie and Freddie] are subject to an innovative and stringent risk-based capital stress test," Davis wrote. "The toughest in the financial services industry."
"the problem is based on a conflict of interest where lobbyists give money to those that oversee them" Riiiiiight so after Enron, WorldCom, Tyco and the rest poor little Bush and his Administration had no fucking clue that they should be paying closer attention to Regulation. Or are you deluded enough to think it wasn't the Republicans and Bush in Power ? Either way that is a cast iron case for MORE Regulation and Oversight not less.
And you seemed to have missed the part where irresponsible greed filled Bankers and Traders infected the Entire Economic system with poisonous securities for no other reason than they made them an absolute fortune with them and they could get away with it and didn't give a fuck about the consequences.
Or maybe you DON'T think Wall Street should carry any blame ? Your on your own there Gorilla as the Public is calling for blood and knows perfectly well that these bonus grabbing parasites have fucked everybody over. -
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I agree with you, BUT YOUR A FUCKING IDIOT. See how that works? You can't take that first part and use it out of context because when you do you're fucking idiot.
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"No politics on AICN!! Nobody wants that! You're ruining the site!" people may need to rephrase. This is the hottest talkback right now by a huge margin. So maybe you should say "I don't want that." And I'm neutral on whether or not AICN does politics, fyi.
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"or don't get your sentences out perfectly, every time that clearly means you have no substance whatsoever. D(uh)."No. More like D[uby(uh)]. Didn't you get the memo?
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"There is an evil, which ought to be guarded against in the indefinite accumulation of property from the capacity of holding it in perpetuity by … corporations. The power of all corporations ought to be limited in this respect. The growing wealth acquired by them never fails to be a source of abuses." - James Madison. A real goddamned pinko that guy was...
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"The current economic crisis has NOTHING to do with 'trickle down Economics'"Indeed it doesn't. I was the one to muddy the waters with that. Why? 'Cause it's just so much fun to watch a lefty twist in the wind when a banking fix is required "else the economical impact will be a disaster." Always sweet to hear them admit the truth about why corn costs 10 cents each instead of 70 cents each or where our 401k profits come from.Yes, the current situation has as much to do about trickle down as it has to do with regulation. Instead, it has everything to do with the elephant in the room that no one sees. And we have political correctness to thank for that (as well as our presidential politics).
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Abraham Lincoln - "I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country....corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed."
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http://www.you tube.com/watch?v=S27yitK32ds
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Lets be factual here, all the shenanigans at Enron and Worldcom went on during the Clinton years. They were caught during the first 10 months of the Bush years.
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Marcy Kaptur is my hero
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"Rush the decision. Time the game to fall in the week before Congress is set to adjourn and just 6 weeks before an historic election so your opponents will be preoccupied, pressured, distracted, and in a hurry."
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"Disarm the public through fear. Warn that the entire global financial system will collapse and the world will fall into another Great Depression. Control the media enough to ensure that the public will not notice this."
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email her: http://ww w.kaptur.house.gov/in dex.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=152
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What's going on right now FUCKING DWARFS Enron and Worldcom... before Wamu, the largest bank filing for bankruptcy protection was something like $40 billion. Yeah, Wamu had an asset base of over $300 billion.
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I've seen about as much coverage of the US election lead-up as news on our own politics. It's obvious this election isn't just important to US citizens but to people from other countries as well. So even though you guys have a democratic right not to vote (something we don't have in Australian democracy - nice eh?), please choose to.
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"...to privatize the gains of the few and to socalize the losses to the many."
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Sep 27, 2008 9:12:47 PM CDT
PREVIEW OF SARAH PALIN FOR THE VICE-PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE
by bringingsexyback
But as the kitchen sizzled and orders were barked out, Palin found herself talking politics, calling McCain's debate performance "awesome" and taking questions from a voter about the hunt for terrorists in Pakistan.
While waiting in line with her daughter Willow to place her order, a reporter asked Palin if she watched Friday's debate, and what her impressions were.
"I did, I did," she said. "McCain did awesome. He was great. He was absolutely on his game."
Palin added that she is ready to debate Joe Biden next Thursday in St. Louis.
"I am," she said. "Look forward to it. Look forward to getting to speak to Americans through that debate, absolutely."
The governor got a more serious interrogation moments later when Temple graduate student Michael Rovito approached her to inquire about Pakistan.
"How about the Pakistan situation?," asked Rovito, who said he was not a Palin supporter. "What's your thoughts about that?"
"In Pakistan?," she asked, looking surprised.
"What's going on over there, like Waziristan?"
"It's working with [Pakistani president] Zardari to make sure that we're all working together to stop the guys from coming in over the border," she told him. "And we'll go from there."
Rovito wasn't finished. "Waziristan is blowing up!," he said.
"Yeah it is," Palin said, "and the economy there is blowing up too."
"So we do cross border, like from Afghanistan to Pakistan you think?," Rovito asked.
"If that's what we have to do stop the terrorists from coming any further in, absolutely, we should," Palin responded, before moving on to greet other voters.
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FYI: http://en.wiki pedia.org/wiki/Glass-Steagall_Act
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to dump the psycho bitch. He agrees after more disasterious interviews of her babbling on about stupid shit and the polls go through the floor. The Palin plan will be that she has a family emergency back in Alaska and cannot carry on as a VP candidate. Joe FUCKING KILL ME DEAD BORING Lieberman will take over her spot.
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Wow buddy you basically tried saying to me what I already said to you to make you look like the idiot that you are. But if there's one thing you conservatives are good at its spinning issues. So keep it up precious.
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also, watchoveryour butts later this week! "Ban" on short selling ends this week...THANKS PAULSON YOU ASSLICKER
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http://en.wiki pedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act
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http://www.army times.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/
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"The 1st BCT’s soldiers also will learn how to use “the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has fielded,” 1st BCT commander Col. Roger Cloutier said, referring to crowd and traffic control equipment and nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them.
“It’s a new modular package of nonlethal capabilities that they’re fielding. They’ve been using pieces of it in Iraq, but this is the first time that these modules were consolidated and this package fielded, and because of this mission we’re undertaking we were the first to get it.”
The package includes equipment to stand up a hasty road block; spike strips for slowing, stopping or controlling traffic; shields and batons; and, beanbag bullets." -
"when a banking fix is required "else the economical impact will be a disaster.""
Are you merely stupid or do you regard reading as the work of Satan ? Who are you pretending to quote shit for brains ? Because I certainly didn't say that. Or do you usually just pretend to quote from imaginary sources when you're shown to be a babbling idiot ?
"It also assumes that there are no more Dominoes to fall. Even if the Deal passes that is wishfull thinking. The poisonous debt riddled securities infect whole swathes of the Market. No Corporation or Company is truly safe. At best the Bailout Deal might remove the most obvious cancerous growths (if it works) but it's the cancer you cannot see and did not know was there that can be the most lethal."
Does that sound like me saying the Banking fix is required ELSE the Economic impact will be a disaster ? Or can you raise your game enough to admit I am predicting disaster regardless of whether it goes through ?
Still not convinced ? Again perhaps you should tried reading instead of getting hopelessly out of your depth and making up quotes.
"The Bailout is NOT a full stop even if it gets passed. The bad debts will keep rolling through till about 2009 at least and House prices will not suddenly stop falling after the bailout."
Anyone claiming "victory" after the bailout will look as foolish as Bush after the "Mission Accomplished" stunt.
Oh dear! How sad for you. Clear proof that I am not relying on some idiots in Congress to sort this all out or putting much faith in the Banking Fix that got you so amusingly excited there.
Perhaps it's because I know full well the Economic consequences that will destroy McCains Poll numbers day by day by day.
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don't think for a minute that this wasn't timed for RIGHT NOW: http://www.daily mail.co.uk/science tech/article-1063194/Out-world-First-Chinese-man-walks-space.html
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Sep 27, 2008 10:07:32 PM CDT
BTW Fish what's with your Batshit Insane babbling about Elephant
by g100
"Instead, it has everything to do with the elephant in the room that no one sees. And we have political correctness to thank for that (as well as our presidential politics)".
Come on little man. Have the Balls to enlighten us or stop acting like a toddler pretending he knows a secret ? It's frankly demeaning to see someone fall to that level of childish behaviour.
I've followed this Economic story for a LONG time now and I have NO idea what the fuck you are babbling about. Or do you often just start spouting bullshit under pressure with nothing at all to back it up ? Put up or shut up. -
http://www.you tube.com/watch?v=6hiPrsc9g98
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he is referring to this: http://www.you tube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH--o
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Because he simply can't read if he thinks it's the CRA.
If only someone had explained why that MYTH was such Horseshit.. Like this.
"As for the MYTH that this was somehow Clinton or anyone else Bullying poor defenseless Bankers into making loans to the poor via the CRA. Sorry it's complete horseshit."
"Half of all subprime loans were made by institutions that are not subject to "Political pressure" like the CRA. And another substantial share of subprime loans were made by subsidiaries of banks that do not fully come under CRA. The number of riskier loans banks were forced to accept by CRA were not enough to be a problem by themselves."
"And if the sub prime loans were such bad news for the Banks and others then they wouldn't have kept issuing them again and again and again. They were making the Banks and those who used them in pig in a poke financial "products" (CLO's & CDS's) unbelievable amounts of cash in the boom times and the fact that they were a huge gamble mattered little when the Gravy Train rolled into town."
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whats going on in the physics dept??? http://boulder.craigs list.org/rnr/857862995.html
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It has just the right amount of vague details and unspecified goings on with a smattering of the type of "non-disclosure agreements", "firings" and press denials that would send the Conspiracy types into a frenzy.
It does however stretch things with "some highly unusual phenomena in and even around Duane." A bit too wide ranging and sketchy that TBH and such happenings would find their way onto the internets if they were truly unusual and wide ranging.
Have a look at the Universities Physics site and see if they are working on anything truly earth-shattering I would suggest.
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Reality check, all partisanship aside—Obama is not going to win 59% of the vote. In fact, he is over polling right now.
Here is the deal. National polls are irrelevant. The presidential election is a state by state battle for an electoral college majority. But even the national poll is skewed towards Obama because he has huge leads in California and New York, the bluest of blue states. California alone has 12 million registered voters. Polling those two states could be padding Obama’s total vote count by millions. That is worth a percentage point or four.
Never mind that Obama has yet to poll above fifty percent in any poll of likely voters nationally. No Democrat has won more than fifty percent of the vote since Jimmy Carter in 1976 and he only mustered 51%. Bill Clinton won with 49% and 43%. Both Carter and Clinton ran as moderates who appealed to rural voters. Obama is a progressive who blasts rural voters for bitterly holding onto their guns and religion. He has not endeared himself to them with that, as Hillary Clinton’s primary victories in Ohio and Pennsylvania have showed. Do you really believe those voters are going to change their minds now and choose Obama over McCain?
We cannot even quantify the Bradley effect—the tendency of white voters, paranoid about being considered racist, to say they will vote for a minority candidate when they really have no intention of it—until after the election, but I guarantee it is a factor.
McCain only has to pick off one or two blue states to defeat Obama. Pennsylvania and Michigan are likely possibilities. There is still a large chunk of undecided voters in those states, many of whom will not make up their minds who to vote for until they actually get into the voting booth. Voters who are wavering that late in the game tend to make the safe choice. That adds up to either reelecting the incumbent or choosing the guy they know the most about. In this case, McCain.
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this pointsless horseshit election and get some fucking info on watchmen. wtf is this CNN now? pukefest.
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Since you tried to duck them before I'll give you another chance to "twist in the wind" and see if they are still just a bit beyond what you can deal with.
Since when was Privatising Profits and Socializing Losses Capitalism ?
Since when was Corporate Welfare the rallying cry of Republicans ?
Are you proud to be a corporate welfare crumb-bum ?
Why would a Corporation NEED welfare in a free market ?
How would LESS Regulation and oversight of the Banks and Securities have prevented this entire catastrophe ?
Why are the MCCain, the Republicans, Obama, the Democrats and a VERY angry public ALL calling for Clear Oversight and Regulation but you somehow know better ?
Who were the ones who didn't want Oversight or Regulation or limits on CEOs bonuses or any kind of Money to towards mortgage relief, when they first presented the Bill ?
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if it had been McCain who had to read his bracelet to remember the name of the soldier it honors. Chances are it might have been a news story or at least mentioned in a news story.
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Sep 28, 2008 8:10:39 AM CDT
MCCAIN SUPPORTED THE HOUSE REPUBLICANS' "ALTERNATE" PROPOSAL
by bringingsexyback
Which called for:
1) Further deregulation of the banking industry
2) Additional Capital Gains Tax cuts
Now Paulson, Bush and the Republican Majority would love this ordinarily, but it does nothing to solve the crisis so they opposed it. McCain is out of his mind.
Also, Silver State Bank in Nevada recently failed. McCain's son joined the Board as a member of the internal auditing committee in February.
He left in June.
Instead of warning shareholders of impending trouble, he bailed himself out.
Depositors lost tens of thousands of dollars due to the FDIC insurance limits.
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Sep 28, 2008 8:31:41 AM CDT
Just watched the Palin/Couric interview again...
by half-baked-goggle-box-do-gooder
Sweet Mother of God. And we thought that DUBYA was an inarticulate, prissy, babbling yokel....
I liked what another guy said - Palin can't find the guts to show up on an episode of "Face The Nation", but the obedient rank-and-file Repubs still believe that she's ready to take on the entire fucking WORLD - in case, you know, if something awful happens to the hale-and-hearty McCain....
To the "conservatives" in this TB........Think about this for a moment, would you?:
This is NOT a high-school football contest we're talking about, where the coach's staff's insistence that the new, untested, blowhard unknown-but-hyped-by-her-buddies amateur can scamper in and Save The Big Game when the croaked quarterback is carried off the field.
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You are absoultely right. I was talking about popular vote, not the electoral college. The actual state-by-state electoral voters are still a squeaker. And in the end, those are the ones that matter. I seriously doubt McCain can take back Michigan or Pennsylvania though. If he can keep Ohio and win an extremely close race in Virginia, he really only needs one state anywhere: Likely candidates are Colorado, New Hampshire, or New Mexico. Any turn around on those states and McCain can still win. Of course, according to my inital premise, I think the failure to consider new or younger voters are skewing every poll, including the red states. And as for the Bradley effect (which I looked up on wikipedia) - there is speculation that this is diminishing in the evidence of recent senate races. Furthermore, in think there is a "public figure/celebrity effect" in which the average American fails to see a very public black figure as "black." Wil Smith manages to rule 4th of July, white women love Oprah, etc. While these people do not hold public office and Obama is running for the highest, the avergage American is more acustomed to seeing black people every day, and teh vast majority of them fail to see any "blackness". Is Omaba a public figure who warrants this "beyond his color" attention. I believe so. . . but since you brought it up, I guess we'll see. I hadn't considered such an effect. One last thing - comparing Obama to previous democratic elections is shortsighted. The true comparison should be elections that had a huge financial crisis in the year preceding the election,which informs the loss of the incumbent party? 1932: FDR won 48-40. 1980: Regan won 50-41. Add in an ongoing unpopular war and its a double whammy. I'll stick to my countrywide numbers of 58-41, and I'll be here to say I was wrong.
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Sep 28, 2008 8:42:06 AM CDT
THE WINGNUTS THINK THEY'RE RIGHT ABOUT THE POLL NUMBERS
by bringingsexyback
just like they thought McCain was going to beat Obama in the debate. Shit, it took them 2 days just to get up the nerve to post on this TB again. LOL
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Glad to see SNL writers are reading AICN.com!!! Thanks for the wink, wink...guys and gals at SNL. Smile!!! Tina Fey doing Sara Palin again, was great as usual.
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Just happy to see that, as predicted, Obama completely PWNED MCSAME at the the debates. I can't wait for the Biden v Palin debates! They are going to be TOTALLY FUCKING HILARIOUS. Palin's interview with Katie Couric was one of the funniest things I have ever seen in my entire life. Palin is a fucking idiot. She almost makes Bush look not retarded. Almost.
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It amazes me how many people think stuttering and stammering through every answer is impressive. i use the word "answer" loosely since he rarely answers the actual question asked he would normally use each question as a jumping off point for something else he wanted to talk about. If something he was asked did'nt match his studies he just changed the subject, amazing how many fall for this crap. It just shows how little he really knows. I also was utterly amazed that he could not understand you do not threaten countries out loud first before you are even president and people try to say bush is a war monger, LOL. Mccain even made it very clear that of course if something needs to be done you do it but you do not threaten them publicly you warn them behind closed doors first. It went completely over Obamas head. A public threat is a last resort. Obama just does'nt get it he well make a mess of foreign policy. I will be very surprised if both N korea and Iran do not have nukes in the next 4 years if he is president.
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North Korea DOES have nuclear weapons! Why? Because Bush decided to withdraw from the Agreed Framework that was set up by Clinton, Kim went bonkers, took off the seals and now has a small number of nukes. Bush finally goes back to the table after 6 years of non-diplomacy and still can't get crazy Kim (or his future successor) to agree.
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you mean the clinton bribes that were not working and in fact only served to help fund their nuclear program? We should have continued bribing them huh? N Korea was already back at work on their nuclear program before bush took office but you still blame him. What about the at least 4 attacks on the USA bin laden made during the clinton years, is bush responsible for that also. Maybe if Clinton was'nt so busy chasing tail he could have went after bin Laden and possibly prevented 9/11.
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NK took their seals off during Bush and kicked out the IAEA, period.
And please... do you really want to defend Bush? After Cheney said over and over that Saddam was responsible for 9/11, put all those lying "defectors" on the tube day after day, saying there was WMDs.? He's responsible for the arrogantly inept response to 9.11; I frankly don't care if you want to blame Clinton; history will judge him for messing up too.
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Making Money off loans does not = Capitalist or trickle down. I mean do you think Communism is capitalist, or do they make fish instead of money? Do people close to Chavez not make money? Sure- is hat capitalist? Uh no.
You may want to obscure the FACT that this problem started with Clinton and continued as a political issue mostly pressed by dems, but that don change that it’s the truth.
As for the Bush administration letting it continue – TRUE! Yes I agree- COMPLETELY. Bush even publicly lauded the results of minority home ownership in his Administration that were falsely inflated by allowing this to continue (Its not really your home if someone is going to take it from you because you cant afford it).
But the Bush criticism is part of the point. He is a poor president because he acts just like a liberal on so many issues- yeah he cuts taxes, but then he increases spending and adds monstrous new programs….I don’t know what the hell he is, but he’s no conservative.
And you think you spend more in a war than a lib program in 50 years? You might want to take a look at the Federal budget before saying something that silly. Obama want to add a bit under a TRILLION dollars in new spending over between 4 and 8 years- how many trillion dollars does Iraq cost by your calculations?
Conservatism is about being RESPIPONSIBLE with money –problem is we have far to few of them- including in the Republican Party- but that’s pretty much the only place you find any of them (I wish it weren’t- if that changed maybe I’d have a choice on election day and be able to pull a “D” lever- heck that would be the best thing that could happen
You are an Idiot if you THINK I ever EVEN IMPLIED “Capitalism works without any regulations” I have never heard a conservative say that- only a liberal who doesn’t understand what a conservative is. The problem is that we have too many regulations and those we have are written to fail. (We actually have regulations that were supposed to monitor wall street –Expensive regulations that discourage business in many cases- and DON’T F-ING WORK.
Heck allowing lower interest loan as the left did for Fanny/Freddy is a form of deregulation. As j2talk pointed out briefly but correctly regulating income to debt ratios and variable interest loans is an important regulation – but that has nothing to do with Trickle down or the essence of capitalism. As an added note you need to regulate monopolies- otherwise capitalism kills itself. This is economics 101 – to imply that conserves doesn’t adhere to these things is to simply not understand conservatism. And tying profits to “how a company treats its employees” is asinine. You want the government coming up with THAT standard and creating regulatory agencies to enforce it? I am not going to even get started. Companies treat employees well when there are lots of other companies competing for employees- I have been on the end that watches the expenses of employees leaving, and recruiting/training. And in the end Companies desperate for employees treat you a lot better than any communistic government I have ever seen. This could be a debate in itself.
Heck look at Detroit- employee friendly laws and unions that worked REALLY well didn’t it? Yeah it was such a huge success that we we should do that moe and expand that prosperity the rest of the USA! Yeah it worked great other than the fact that the middle class is going away there because the elitists drove business away- and without business- we have no jobs. IN the long run a government does NOT save people from a bad employer- employment opportunities DO.
As for war go study how WWII started and more importantly why it was not PREVENTED (as it EASILY could have been) then get back to me on a war and peace debate.
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You do realize that the government made MORE money after Bush’s tax cuts because the economy grew right? You do know that JFK did the exact same thing right? Learn how this works man.
And Freddy Fanny were about 200 Billion of this problem – that’s not a big deal? They also led the charge in that direction….and created a need to compete for market share of loans by offering the lower rates to more people….
And yes Fanny Freddy directly contributed to Obama and Dems . You say you are about to point our specific numbers that tie to McCain, then tie them to people he knows. In Obamas case you don’t have to get into 6 degrees of separation – because they tie directly to him .
“A review of Federal Election Commission records back to 1989 reveals Obama in his three complete years in the Senate is the second largest recipient of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae campaign contributions, behind only Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., the powerful chairman of the Senate banking committee. Dodd received $165,400 in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac campaign contributions, including contributions from PACs and individuals, followed by Obama, who received $126,349 in such contributions since being elected to the Senate in 2004.
And maybe you missed that Obama HIIMELF has Fanny/Freddy Advice Raines currently advises Obama on housing policy (Former CEO of Fanny 99-2004) and Johnson was appointed to head Obama's vice presidential selection committee; Johnson (Former Fanny CEO) was appointed to head Obama's vice presidential selection committee
Maybe the above is why Mc-Lame sponsored a bill to reign in Fanny/Freddy in 05 and Dems killed it…
In any event we agree that Bush should have done more- I say again- he’s no conservative- conservatives hate him because he’s in many ways a liberal, but drop the holier than thou on Bush when this started with Dems and has been encouraged to continue by them. You cite need for “more regulation” as if I am going to oppose that on its face….where you are wrong is that (as in most of these instances) we don’t need “more regulation” what we DO need is a change from unfocused and sprawling regulation (for both Wall street and these quasi government agencies of Freddy/Fanny) that is not enforced or effective and TO standards that are simpler, include regulations AGIANST conflict of interest by allowing Lobbyists to pay those directly charged with their oversight, and which are actually ENFORCED.
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- I saw that you started the trickle down to bait people- I was about to bash you before until I realized what you were doing.
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Nice quote on Lincoln (A Republican by the way). Again he is getting at the need to stop Monopolies. Since Monopolies kill capitalism it is a core regulation that is needed. The problem with this debate is usually that Liberals simply don’t understand conservatism…Conservatives are not against ALL regulation- but if you think the current Sprawling and ineffective legislation is solved by adding layers to it, your nuts.
We need to scrap much of the garbage regulation and powerfully enforce regulation that is key to keeping this thing running- and I again point to the current crisis- we HAVE regulations for this- We have Sarbanes-Oxley that was passed to prevent this type of thing …Did it work with Lehman? Washington, Mutual? Fanny? Freddy? Morgan Stanly? No- so it costs companies a lot and succeeds ZERO percent of the time? We don’t need to tack on to that bloated pig, and complicate it more - we need to start over with something that WORKS.
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Thank you for making sense. Honestly, I agree that most liberals do not understand conservatism in government. I would also add that many conservatives do not understand conservatism in government. The reason for this: Tactics.
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Maybe you should go-re-read my original post- You responded to me with a lack of understanding…(I posted first) Then you claim I copied you?!
LMFAO ….2nd grade reading comprehension isn’t your forte is it?
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Instead of talking about the tax code or trying to educate people on the merits of a better and more streamlined government, we get an abortion debate, a gay amendment proposal, a denial of environmental issues, prayer in schools, 10+ years of right wing radio and media skewing every single news item into softsoaped proof of a "liberal bias," so outlandish, it's spawned left-wing versions in radio and cable. People still think Obama is a Muslim. Don't get me wrong, I'm not lumping you into this Gorilla. But you have to understand that whatever admirable message the right side of the isle had in the 80s, whatever reasonalbe debate there could exist along a sliding scale of fashioning a working mixed economy. . . is gone. Lost in a muck of bad tactics that is getting worse and worse.
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Dude your supporting SARAH FUCKING PALIN HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!That is the biggest Joke ever!!! Your Fucking candidate did not even know what the BUSH DOCTRINE was and your supporting the idiot! How could she not know a major part of her political party and have enough knowledge to be the VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OR PRESIDENT if McCain passes. Go ahead and spin and repeat yourself you have already proved it's all you know how to do but simple logic will tell you you are an idiot for supporting an even bigger idiot. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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an absolute joke. The nation should be disgusted at her pick. The country could very well fallinto her hands. she could be the president. Anyone who seriously feels safe and secure in that knowledge is an idiot.
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Oh, you mean like how McSame took a good 5 minutes trying to pronounce the name "Ahmadinejad", failed, and moved on? Then I believe he mentioned something about being a "war hero." Yawn. Nobody is buying it anymore. Obama owns this election now. When Biden buries Palin, thats going to seal the deal for good.
In addition, to EVERYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD WHO ACTUALLY BOTHERED TO WATCH THE DEBATE, Obama came off cool, calm, collected, kept on message, made his points, brilliantly, succinctly, called out McSame on his lies several times, and pretty much made McSame look like the doddering, nearly dead, totally out of touch old fart he is. He dodged every attack and had a counter attack. McSame just looked tired, smirky, angry, and more than a little confused. I can't wait for the next one. -
How is McCain going to fix everything in just 4 years?
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The Obama campaign and their democratic surrogates in Missouri are threatening anyone wo criticizes Obama or his campaign with criminal prosecution. It has gotten so bad that the MO govenor had to issue a statement. www.mo.gov. "“Barack Obama needs to grow up. Leftist blogs and others in the press constantly say false things about me and my family. Usually, we ignore false and scurrilous accusations because the purveyors have no credibility. When necessary, we refute them. "Enlisting Missouri law enforcement to intimidate people and kill free debate is reminiscent of the Sedition Acts - not a free society.”Obama is unfit to lead. What's next, thought police? 2 + 2 + 3?
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LMAO! I love this update...Earlier BSB proclaimed that Obama's bracelet gambit was masterful" (in the debates) and then wrote: "He brought to the fore the voices of parents whose voices are often drowned out by the war-mongering choruses. It brought a tear to my eyes."Family Told Obama NOT To Wear Soldier Son's Bracelet. September 28, 2008 - 03:53 ETBarack Obama played the "me too" game during the Friday debates on September 26 after Senator John McCain mentioned that he was wearing a bracelet with the name of Cpl. Matthew Stanley, a resident of New Hampshire and a soldier that lost his life in Iraq in 2006. Obama said that he too had a bracelet. After fumbling and straining to remember the name, he revealed that his had the name of Sergeant Ryan David Jopek of Merrill, Wisconsin.Shockingly, however, Madison resident Brian Jopek, the father of Ryan Jopek, the young soldier who tragically lost his life to a roadside bomb in 2006, recently said on a Wisconsin Public Radio show that his family had asked Barack Obama to STOP wearing the bracelet with his son's name on it. Yet Obama continues to do so DESPITE the wishes of the family.Radio host Glenn Moberg of the show "Route 51" asked Mr. Jopek, a man who believes in the efforts in Iraq and is not in favor of Obama's positions on the war, what he and his ex-wife think of Obama continually using their son's name on the campaign trail.Jopek began by saying that his ex-wife was taken aback, even upset, that Obama has made the death of her son a campaign issue. Jopek says his wife gave Obama the bracelet because "she just wanted Mr. Obama to know Ryan's name." Jopek went on to say that "she wasn't looking to turn it into a big media event" and "just wanted it to be something between Barack Obama and herself." Apparently, they were all shocked it became such a big deal.But, he also said that his ex-wife has refused further interviews on the matter and that she wanted Obama to stop wearing the reminder of her son's sacrifice that he keeps turning into a campaign soundbyte.
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LMAO! I love this update...Earlier BSB proclaimed that Obama's bracelet gambit was masterful" (in the debates) and then wrote: "He brought to the fore the voices of parents whose voices are often drowned out by the war-mongering choruses. It brought a tear to my eyes."Too bad the actual PARENTS of the fallen soldier DON'T feel the same way...Family Told Obama NOT To Wear Soldier Son's Bracelet. September September 28, 2008 - 03:53 ETBarack Obama played the "me too" game during the Friday debates on September 26 after Senator John McCain mentioned that he was wearing a bracelet with the name of Cpl. Matthew Stanley, a resident of New Hampshire and a soldier that lost his life in Iraq in 2006. Obama said that he too had a bracelet. After fumbling and straining to remember the name, he revealed that his had the name of Sergeant Ryan David Jopek of Merrill, Wisconsin.Shockingly, however, Madison resident Brian Jopek, the father of Ryan Jopek, the young soldier who tragically lost his life to a roadside bomb in 2006, recently said on a Wisconsin Public Radio show that his family had asked Barack Obama to stop wearing the bracelet with his son's name on it. Yet Obama continues to do so despite the wishes of the family.Radio host Glenn Moberg of the show "Route 51" asked Mr. Jopek -- a man who believes in the efforts in Iraq and is not in favor of Obama's positions on the war -- what he and his ex-wife think of Obama continually using their son's name on the campaign trail.Jopek began by saying that his ex-wife was taken aback, even upset, that Obama has made the death of her son a campaign issue. Jopek says his wife gave Obama the bracelet because "she just wanted Mr. Obama to know Ryan's name." Jopek went on to say that "she wasn't looking to turn it into a big media event" and "just wanted it to be something between Barack Obama and herself." Apparently, they were all shocked it became such a big deal.But, he also said that his ex-wife has refused further interviews on the matter and that she wanted Obama to stop wearing the reminder of her son's sacrifice that he keeps turning into a campaign sound byte.
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Mccain actually made a joke out of his failure to pronounce Ahmadinejad correctly. A name better than 99.9% of the population would get hung up on. Give me a break when your guys favorite word is uh. i have heard him string together 10 uhs before. When the guy is absent a teleprompter he is a joke. So Obama came off cool huh? Does constantly trying to interupt and talk over your opponent really equal cool to you? The only people that think obama won are obama supporters and yes that is most of the world, especially our enemies, they love Obama. You have no argument of substance seemingly the only thing wrong with mccain according to you is he is old and ugly, real classy pal.
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Even if Palin does indeed Quayle badly this week it's still not going to change the fact that NOTHING will stop this Election being decided firstly and foremostly ON THE ECONOMY.
Oh and this is a Buy Out now not a Bail Out apparently?!?
And Ape if Tax cuts help the Economy then Obamas Tax cuts for the Middle class will help the Economy. Perhaps you should ALSO learn how this thing works, man?
Fannie and Freddie were not just taken down by the fraction of Loans that can be traced to the CRA ? True or False ?
Fannie and Freddie were also taken down by the securities that hid ALL the sub-prime loans (not just the CRA's) True or False ?
It's a shame you can't bring yourself to place much if any any blame on the irresponsible greed of those on Wall Street and in the Banks and Corporations who engineered the Securities that are now laying waste to the Economy.It would also seem that the Public is in no doubt where the lions share of that blame lies though and rewarding Wall Street with more Deregulation ISN'T going to happen any decade soon.
The credit evaluation agencies and companies need real Regulation after labelling most of this worthless shit AAA+ that is obvious.
The Banks and other Corporations cannot hide these securities off the balance sheet or claim ignorance about their true worth. Again obvious. Regulations to this effect are now inevitable for starters.
THe links to McCains Campaign are there are clear and are uncontested. If your point is but Dems are implicated too ? Then Yes, that means you can't oversimplify this by saying it is either ONLY the Democrats or ONLY Republicans you are indeed quite correct both parties were involved with hard cash which happily brings us to your last point...
At last, a 100% Gold suggestion ! "regulations AGIANST conflict of interest by allowing Lobbyists to pay those directly charged with their oversight, and which are actually ENFORCED. " Absofuckinglutely Right ! The sooner the better. -
Mccain co sponsored a bill 3 years ago to fix this mess and the democrats would not vote for it and barney frank accused mccain of overblowing the situation and using scare tactics. maybe that bill was'nt perfect but certainly if the crisis had been taken seriously at that time it would have been a much cheaper solution. So yeah i am putting most of the blame on democrats. Especially when they pressured lenders to give loans to people that could not afford them and even made lenders consider welfare as part of income. plenty of blame to go around yes but i give most to the dems on this one.
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And if you took every loan from the CRA out of the crisis (even the good ones og which there was a majority)
THIS CATACLYSMIC SHIT WOULD STILL HAVE HAPPENED. PERIOD.
The Banks and ALL the others who pimped out sub-prime and "ninja" and every questionable loan and credit you could possibly imagine did it because they were MASSIVELY PROFITABLE !NOT because they were forced too.
*******Lehman Brothers paid $8.7 BILLION in staff bonuses in 2006.*******
True they had to "bundle" them into finanacial "products" and securities first but that certainly did not stop them for a MICROSECOND.
AIG was caused by far more than just sub-prime and it's fucking HUGE.
Some would also do well to remember that in the depths of the "Shadow Economy" off the "official" Balance sheets of most Companies and Corporations and lying in wait there is, 58 TRILLION in Credit Default Swaps. Sooner or later that baby could well explode regardless of this new Buy out and certainly regardless of the CRO.
And you can put all the blame you feel like on the Democrats. Doesn't bother me. Hell, you can say that Obama personally approved every single sub-prime loan if it gets you hard.
But the public clearly aren't blaming the Dems and they are placing almost all of their FURY squarely on Wall Street.
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"regulations AGIANST conflict of interest by allowing Lobbyists to pay those directly charged with their oversight, and which are actually ENFORCED"
Not JUST that but Regulations against those involved in their oversight from leaping into the firms those they were supposed to be regulating and overseeing, not just for a week or for a few months but for a good few YEARS at least. -
Sep 28, 2008 7:05:04 PM CDT
BIG DUMB APE: TRACY JOPEK DEFENDS OBAMA ON BRACELET MENTION AT D
by bringingsexyback
Read this - Today's AP article at the Wisconsin State Journal. It's quite possible that Obama didn't get her e-mail, but in the end, at the debate, he gave "an answer that Tracy Jopek said made her proud."
Sorry, but no more LMAO ...
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/W/WI_OBAMA_BRACELET_WIOL-?SITE=WIMAD&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
Sep 28, 7:37 PM EDT
Soldier's mom defends Obama's mention of bracelet
By DINESH RAMDE
Associated Press Writer
MILWAUKEE (AP) -- After Tracy Jopek gave Sen. Barack Obama a bracelet in honor of her son who was killed in Iraq, she asked Obama not to mention the bracelet on the campaign trail.
But Jopek told The Associated Press on Sunday that she's satisfied with how Obama discussed it during last week's presidential debate.
Jopek gave Obama the bracelet at a Green Bay rally in February. It has the name of her son, Sgt. Ryan David Jopek, and the date the 20-year-old was killed by a roadside bomb, Aug. 2, 2006. "All gave some - He gave all," it says.
A few days after offering it to the Illinois Democrat, Jopek, of Merrill in north-central Wisconsin, had a change of heart. She realized it could be interpreted as a protest against the war, a statement that made her uncomfortable because other military families who suffered losses still supported the conflict.
"I am a mother, a mother who lost her son. It's hard to know what's right, what's wrong about this war. Very hard," she said. "And I know there are a lot of families who lost loved ones."
So she e-mailed the Obama campaign through its Web site asking that he not mention it during debates or speeches.
She never got a reply but said she didn't hear of him mentioning it after that - until Friday, when Obama and Republican Sen. John McCain appeared in their first debate. In response to a question about Iraq, McCain said a New Hampshire woman asked him to wear a bracelet honoring her fallen son, and asked him to make sure the Iraq mission succeeded so his death would not be in vain.
Obama responded that he too wears a bracelet, one for Sgt. Jopek, but for a different reason - to make sure all American wars are fought for good reason.
"No U.S. soldier ever dies in vain because they're carrying out the missions of their commander in chief. And we honor all the service that they've provided. Our troops have performed brilliantly," Obama said. "The question for the next president is, are we making good judgments about how to keep America safe, precisely because sending our military into battle is such an enormous step."
It was an answer that Tracy Jopek said made her proud.
"His response in the debate was exactly that, a response, after John McCain put it out there first," she said. "I think it was an appropriate response - he was just saying there's another side to the story, there's two different viewpoints."
Obama's comment sparked a number of angry comments from bloggers who suggested Obama was exploiting her son's death to score political points. Jopek said those bloggers might have heard comments that her son's father made on Wisconsin Public Radio on March 20.
In an interview with Glen Moberg, National Guard Staff Sgt. Brian Jopek said his ex-wife asked Obama not to wear the bracelet at any further public appearances. But Obama was still apparently wearing it, he said.
"So, that's his own choice. I mean that's something Barack Obama, that's a choice that he continues to wear it despite Tracy asking him not to," he told Moberg.
Tracy Jopek said she didn't hear the interview but that her ex-husband, who is currently stationed in Cuba, mischaracterized her viewpoint. An e-mail message sent to Brian Jopek through his daughter on Sunday was not immediately returned.
"I think he knew my intention, he understands it was a gesture between me and Sen. Obama," she said. "It was just little piece of peace for us. I don't understand how people can take that and turn it into some garbage on the Internet."
She wouldn't directly say whether she wanted Obama to refrain from mentioning the bracelet again, but she hopes the whole issue will just go away.
"I think these bracelets should be looked upon as an honor that both candidates wear them to respect the troops," she said. "My request to both of them is that they honor the troops by lifting the conversation to the issues, and that they continue to live up to the standards our military deserves."
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Underneath Matresses notwithstanding, it's GOLD RUSH time again folks.
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look up the laffer curve. time and time again the right wing of every country argues that there will be an increase in govt surplus if taxes are decreased. bush argued this as did regan. it dosn't work. It depends on where on the laffer curve we are and it is pretty conclusive that we are not on the right part. economists laughed when bush said that tax cuts would strengthen the budget because we have gone down that path before and seen that (as predicted that time too) it didn't work. Certainly stimulating the economy but pumping money into will increase revenues. thing is that the effect (which can sometimes have a multiplier effect) alters the revenues in an indirect manner, but the effects expenditure in a direct manner. its like making a wave in the bath tub and thinking it will be bigger when it hits the wall and comes back. in theory cutting taxes could improve the budget, in particular if we are on the right part of the laffer curve. in reality we have shown conclusively it dosn't work.additionally anyone who thinks that without any regualation it would have worked itself out is a mug. you don't want to over regulate sure, but even things like accounting standards so share holders know what goes on would count as regulation. i mean, just off the top of my head game theory predicts that people will always try to cheat. the prediction of the prisoner's delema is that without regulation, when everyone acts in their own personal self interest (which we expect of people) everyone is worse off. this can be fixed through regulation.anyone who thinks the banks should fall on their swords for their mistakes is also a mug. banks are lubricant that keep the economy going. the great depression was caused by an unprecedented closure of banks. (obviously this had its own cause that we could point at) bailing out the banks is a bit like isolating the explosion. and yes expect more failures. and yes, you're look at a recession anyway. question is do you want a recession or a depression? A week ago i said there would never be another depression. we know what causes them and we know how to quantine a recession and prevent one. with the shilly shallying going on in washinton i am now not sure that we are smarter. don't be dumasses. bail out the banks (then go after the fucks who caused it)
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And chipps I'm hearing calls to raise the FDIC Insurance Limit as another insulator to stop a run on the banks.
Haven't read enough on it yet to really know if this is a viable solution or not myself, but it's out there and it's getting a fair bit of traction right now.
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is that the system is generally sound. I am looking into it a lot and over the next week my opinion will get better. but generally, if you look at the last few crisses the laws have been fine, but the regulatory bodies have been substand. i'm still looking into it but i am guessing this will be the case here. the laws on the books prob work, but there is not enough investigation into whether the laws are being followed and not a big enough punishment when individuals are caught. this is just a thought at this point but it tends to work that way.
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repubs should keep in mind that the core of this problem, thing that brought it all to a head is the credit crunch. what caused the credit crunch? whenever a govt undertakes doing something you have 'crowding out' the govt is so big that private firms can't compete. credit exists on an internationally market. Lately the US govt has been borrowing money like a terminally ill slot jockey in order to fund the war in iraq. to borrow money someone needs to have it to lend to you. when the govt borrows shit loads it 'crowds out' private firms. lately we have seen a global drying up of credit due to massive us public deficits. this is called the credit crunch and it directly caused the subprime crises which has lead to our current predicament.short version, the main cause for all this is that borrowing for iraq has caused credit to dry up.
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Big Dumb Ape is obviously tuned in to Newsbusters, his source for his breaking Bracelet story. . . and for some reason, he seems to think that the feints, half-truths, and media spin narratives on that site are actually "facts." Newsbusters is a media consipracy website with about as much credibility as a UFO website.
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...I think Obama got his ass handed to him. Jesus the Democrats are anemic at winning elections. Obama reminded me far more of John Kerry than he did John F. Kennedy.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u6lCBnRoHQ
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I was being sarcastic. Or trying anyway.
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Piarcy!
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Don't make fun of the man's speech impediment. Especially since he doesn't have one ...
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did he even look at him?
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Suck on that losers!
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And that's why I love AICN so much. This is where we bring facts and truth to the table instead of letting falsehoods and smears endure. I'm holding out hope that BigDumbApe will stop reading those smear sites - knowing a little about his background, I can say he's better than that. Come on, Ape. You can do it man.
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Do you think it's possible McCain will dip into the 30s after Palin's debate?
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bsb you amusing fuck. mcain will lose but he will remain competitive. he is a good option. obama is a better option. in fact one thing that shoots mcain in the foot is that he is not as popular within the extreme of his party as bush was. what does that tell you?
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no disrespect
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Sep 28, 2008 11:46:52 PM CDT
CHIPPS - I THINK THE PALIN EFFECT WILL REACH ITS LOGICAL CONCLUS
by bringingsexyback
on Thursday. The expression "the Emperor has no clothes" will have found its ultimate meaning in Palin's performance.
The only people who will be supporting McCain on Friday will be Halliburton and Blackwater executives, hardcore Jesus Campers and a handful of talkbackers.
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Gambling lobbyists.
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i'm 26 and i follow politics. I think she is basically the single worst potential major western leader in my life time. mcain has already outlived his father. I'm saying though macain himself remains a good candidate, better than either candidate in the last presidential election, but not as good as obama. and lets get real, he could set the white house on fire and do better than 29% his entrenched voters number more than that. lastly if palin is the emperor, how bad would it be if she had no cloths?
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my countrymen are fighters, drinkers and gamblers, and gambling is the scourge of my country. because of the tax on it we say here our government is addicited to it. my state has about 3mill people and something in the order of 40% of the pokies in the world. i think oz has about 60% with just shy of 40% being in veagus. were i grew up people leave their babies in the car to play them (and it gets to 40 degrees c in the shade) these cars get up to 80 or 90 degrees. gambling is stealing from the poor. and i should now, i come from the poorest part of australia and we gamble more per capita than any other country on earth. a lot more.
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And that's just an "estimate" that had to be revised from a previous "estimate" that lowballed it ludicrously. And this 2.4 TRILLION estimate doesn't take into account refocusing to Afghanistan which is as intractable as Iraq.
Here is the estimate story. http://tinyurl.com/ysjn2x
If we were also to take McCain at his word then you could add a conflict with Iran and Russia into that mix but it's simply Election tough guy bluster as even Cheney wasn't batshit insane enough to attack Iran in the end. (or to be more accurate he WAS that crazy but the Military and State department seem to have put him frimly back into his man-sized safe after pointing out the realities of the situation.)
And chipps I agree that this crisis shouldn't somehow mean a descent into some bizzarre fucked up quasi-Communist financial sector capitalism. I have no problem with the Banks who didn't jump aboard the securities and magical accounting bandwagon. But those who did are going to have to pay a price and that is both fair and necessary. The immedite danger for the Banks isn't over-regulation but that they contract their business so much out of fear that the Economy will simply freeze with no one lending to anyone else sparking off a crippling recession with no end in sight and no growth.
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is why you can't let these banks fail. they are inexorably connected to one another. let me put it this way. mick moore did this thing once about how republics should vote democrat (back in the day) he said: gay blokes mean more chicks for ME. higher wages mean people don't steal MY sterio. it stings, but the bailout isn't for the fat cats, it's for the little guy. the little guy benifits from the bailout. it is fucked up but true. if you wanna tar and feather the guys who caused it, you have me on side but the bail out is for the little guy.plus keep in mind what are there 40,000 causalities. when people look into the cost of the war they never consider the present value of looking after these guys for the rest of their lives (which even very conservativly is much more than the on paper cost of the war) plus the homeless population in the us in more than twice as likly to be veterans than the geneneral pop (ie don't currently contribute to society) because the republicans look after vets right?
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It means they are now going to have to be the vanguard, if they CAN get up off the floor, for new wide ranging practices that mean REAL transparency of accounts and an end to out of control bonus systems with no regard to performace and shareholders, not to mention cutting the strings on those Golden parachutes.
It's also worth reminding ourselves that when the accounts of Lehman Brothers, AIG and ALL the rest get studied in detail there's a very good chance some people are going to be doing JAIL TIME. Not all of this was naivette or ignorance and the greed has most likely spilled over into outright fraud in a few cases for some of the Employees of the now shattered firms.
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'It's also worth reminding ourselves that when the accounts of Lehman Brothers, AIG and ALL the rest get studied in detail there's a very good chance some people are going to be doing JAIL TIME.'as i said earlier i am still researching this but the way it generally works is that the law is good but the regulators the 'cops' haven't been given enough powers or resources or large enough punishments. in all likely hood the trick will not be to change the law (small changes prob necessarily) the trick will be to ensure the law is followed.
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obama really blows mcain out of the water. his major down side was in giving up his right several times to reply in order to be polite. that said that is a male opinion, it may help him with female voters.
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i have read several studies and, freaked out asked a number of women. no man will vote for palin cause she is good looking (even if we bring it up a lot) women definatly will vote for obama because he is. the way they say it, and it makes sense is: as my leader he will represent me to the world, someone who does this, i want them to be well presented. translation: obama will get votes by being good looking.
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Here's the online link for the story > http://tinyurl.com/46e7ll
An incredibly illuminating slice of all that WENT wrong and all that IS wrong at the heart of this Cataclysm in the Financial System.
And sadly, considering how unbelievably profitable it was for those who did, it you can be sure that what went on at A.I.G.F.P. was repeated again and again in a great many places and Corporations and Companies yet to be unearthed. -
Dems, rep, and independents all turning a dial as the debate went on. Every time Obama was polite and/or said "John was right" the independents turn the dial up being positive. When McAsshole seemed preachy the inds turn it down. It's fucking clear as day that Obama dogged his ass bad. McGramps was grumpy, rude, wouldn't even look at Obama, smirky/sarcastic looking, and had that know-it-all attitude that makes you just want to slap his bald head.
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McCain's recent dip in the polls started once the financial crisis did. It is one of the big reasons McCain suspended his campaign and headed to DC last week. He needed to look like he hada handle on things. Instead, he looked like just another bickering politician while Obama escaped the image.
It is too soon to see what kind of bounce Obama receives from the debate got from the debate--we will not see that until Tuesday at least--if he indeed gets any. if the bailout bill gives voters the perception the economy is back on track, the bad economy will not count as much against McCain.
Anyone who believes Palin is going to have detrimental effect on the ticket is confusing their hatred for her with reality. She has to GOP base fired up the same as Bush did in 2004 and the media is in a no win situation. they have presented her as so dumb, as long as she does not drool on herself, she will win. If they attack her, conservatives who hate the "liberal" media anyway will rally around her.
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Sep 29, 2008 2:19:56 AM CDT
Even though I think Palin is a fucking train wreck of a candidat
by dirtsandwich
The debate might not be what you think. I've heard that the rules are that neither candidate can question the other directly. They are asked questions then given time to answer. I hope I;m wrong. The only reason anyone has mentioned WHY would the dems agree to these rules, that Biden can't speak or question Palin is that Biden is long-winded and sometimes says goofy shit. He battles women in the senate but he may come across to harsh with Palin. Like she is this fragile fucking flower that blew in from the clouds. I want to see a cage match. The psycho bitch has no problem supporting the killing of wolves from a helicopter and throwing God's plan into the Iraq war. The gloves are off. She's dropped in her own state of Alaska from 82% to 68%. So the McLiar line of "She's the most popular governor in the nation!" WRONG! So if she knows the answer to the questions, she might be ok. She's got 4 days to cram for it. Of course Biden is the better of the two, but if Palin fails it'll be she didn't answer it as well, or she does what she did with Gibson and Couric, has garbled rambling on answers.
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if only to cancel out the fascist elelments of the nazirvatists.
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Sorry guys. Obama= Tony Blair circa '97. I hope to god he wins, because the thought of Palin being ready to step up in case something happens to McCain is to frightening for words. These really are 4 shit candidates, but Obama/ Biden is marginally preferable to McCain/Palin
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good point
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Easily one of the most entertaining and hilarious epic fails I have ever witnessed. You can feel the ever-shrinking neocon base literally melt into a puddle of quivering impotent rage. HIFUCKINGLARIOUS!!! I can't WAIT for Thursday's debates. Get ready for the comedy event of the election, and perhaps the decade. CAN NOT WAIT!!!
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Read 'am and weep neocons, read 'em and weep:
http://tinyurl.com/2rdjgr
Looks like the only difference between a pitbull and a hockey mom is a pitbull actually has more foreign policy experience and generalized linguistic coherence.
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Here's one. "Liberals" are upset/crazed/venomous/hateful, etc etc over Palin -therefore she is a great VP pick!Even if this were true, the kamakazi mentality doesn't do the Republicans any favors. Many independents like myself, who when the campaign started thought either choice would be serviceable, now are dead set against a McCain presidency, in no small part due to his VP selection. So yeah you may have bugged out some hardcore liberals - congratulations. You've also alienated more than a few independents/swing voters.
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Their estimation of who won the debate seems out of step with that of viewers. Seems obvious that if viewers of the debate gave the advantage to Obama, then he benefitted most from it. Yet still I hear talking heads saying McCain did better over all. Isn't the proof in the pudding, so to speak.Personally I think point-for-point, it was a wash but Obama came off as much more relaxed and confident. Expressing irritation, seemingly at your opponent's very existence, as McCain did, rarely plays well with the audience.
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There is a difference between saying "I think Obama won the debate' and "I am going to vote for Obama because he won the debate." we still do not know how the debate will translate to poll numbers for either of them. You cannotbe too surprised if the number of undecided voters increase, for that matter.
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But if the people the candidates are trying to reach and convince are more convinced by Obama, then it's fair to say he "won" the debate. I mean beyond the point system which, let's face it, is redundant if your guy wins on points but doesn't come off well. I'm just saying I'm surprised that today I put on Morning Joe and half the people onthere are still saying advantage McCain when it's clear the viewers thought otherwise. Who cares if McCain "actually" won if viewers thought Obama did?
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But if the people the candidates are trying to reach and convince are more convinced by Obama, then it's fair to say he "won" the debate. I mean beyond the point system which, let's face it, is redundant if your guy wins on points but doesn't come off well. I'm just saying I'm surprised that today I put on Morning Joe and half the people onthere are still saying advantage McCain when it's clear the viewers thought otherwise. Who cares if McCain "actually" won if viewers thought Obama did?
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Not my fault. I blame Sarah Palin. Durn it that gal makes my blood boil!
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May the new year bring peace and prosperity to all, with Obama at the helm.
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Only a good witchdoctor can fix this.
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Sep 29, 2008 9:56:06 AM CDT
PAGING PASTOR MUTHEE!! TALK TO GOD ABOUT THIS BAILOUT!!
by bringingsexyback
Lord make a way! Make a way for this credit crunch!!
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Sep 29, 2008 10:05:15 AM CDT
IF MCCAIN HADN'T DERAILED THE NEGOTIATIONS LAST WEDNESDAY
by bringingsexyback
this would have calmed the markets two days sooner and we wouldn't have had this selloff today. But I have faith the market will rebound a little by tomorrow. Remember, we dropped 950 points two weeks ago and stabilized afterwards.
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Sep 29, 2008 10:07:31 AM CDT
THEY SHOULD PUT A DAMNED FREEZE ON THOSE ARM MORTGAGES
by bringingsexyback
It's plain stupid to drive people into foreclosure when they can just freeze the rates or extend for another 5 years.
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Sep 29, 2008 11:27:24 AM CDT
But who's THIS promoting Fannie Mae "fairness" and "affordable h
by g100
Bush promotes national minority home ownership plan.
Jet, July 1, 2002
President Bush set a new goal of helping 5.5 million minority families buy their own homes before the end of the decade, hoping to end what he called a "home ownership gap."
"The difference in home ownership between Anglo America and Black and Hispanic America is too big," Bush said at St. Paul AME Church in Atlanta.
The president recently was in the city to promote his home ownership program, which calls for the building of 5.5 million new homes for minorities before 2012.
Citing high down payments a major obstacle to home ownership for low-income families, Bush wants a $200 million expansion to the American Dream Down Payment Fund, first outlined in January and awaiting action by Congress. Grants from the fund would help about 40,000 families a year make down payments or pay closing costs on houses. article http://tinyurl.com/496h9s
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If you actually watched the debate you would know Obama didn't say anything about Presidental level meetings with Iran or claims that Kissinger said that. He said it about lower level meetings.
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Isn't he a quasi-war criminal?
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Fannie Mae Pledges Continued Support for President Bush's Nationwide Effort to Increase Minority Homeownership
Business Wire, Oct 15, 2002 Fannie Mae Chairman and CEO, Franklin D. Raines today joined President Bush and U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) Secretary Mel Martinez, and other industry leaders and non-profit organizations, for a housing summit to promote the Administration's proposal to expand minority homeownership.
Fannie Mae's ten-point plan to help advance the Bush Administration's homeownership proposals was included in the Blueprint for the American Dream document released by HUD today.
"Fannie Mae commends President Bush and HUD's continued efforts to make minority homeownership a national priority through today's housing summit," said Raines. "As we know, homeownership builds stronger families, communities, and improves our quality of life. Through the expansion of minority homeownership, the Administration will advance housing equality in America."
"The Blueprint for the American Dream that we unveiled today is the response to the `homeownership challenge' President Bush issued in June to increase minority homeownership," said HUD Secretary Mel Martinez. "Our partners, representing every segment of the affordable housing industry, are committed to working together to achieve the President's goal of adding 5.5 million new minority homeowners by the end of the decade." article http://tinyurl.com/4oqxjx
Poor Anchorite. First in line for the far-right Republican bloggers talking points and excuses. Last in line for the truth.
This clusterfuck is way, WAY beyond some fruity conspiracy involving the fraction of mortgage forecloseres that the C.R.A were responible for. And Anchorite can't bring himself to blame the guy who was President fro the last 8 years the financial regulators or Wall Street. (unlike the public) How predictable. -
How many more will it take for the idiots to admit the Election is going to be decided almost entirely on the Economy ?
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Obama made an absolutely accurate reference to what Kissinger said regarding Iran, which was "I do not believe that we can make conditions for the opening of negotiations." Kissinger then tried to wiggle our of it by saying he didn't support presidential negotiations, but that's not what Obama claimed anyway. Obama merely said Kissinger "just said that we should meet with Iran – guess what – without precondition. This is one of your own advisers." But yeah ultimately, congratulations McCain on having that "genius" on your side. Must be comforting to know he'll prevaricate for you.
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Obama made an absolutely accurate reference to what Kissinger said regarding Iran, which was "I do not believe that we can make conditions for the opening of negotiations." Kissinger then tried to wiggle our of it by saying he didn't support presidential negotiations, but that's not what Obama claimed anyway. Obama merely said Kissinger "just said that we should meet with Iran – guess what – without precondition. This is one of your own advisers." But yeah ultimately, congratulations McCain on having that "genius" on your side. Must be comforting to know he'll prevaricate for you.
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Obama made an absolutely accurate reference to what Kissinger said regarding Iran, which was "I do not believe that we can make conditions for the opening of negotiations." Kissinger then tried to wiggle our of it by saying he didn't support presidential negotiations, but that's not what Obama claimed anyway. Obama merely said Kissinger "just said that we should meet with Iran – guess what – without precondition. This is one of your own advisers." But yeah ultimately, congratulations McCain on having that "genius" on your side. Must be comforting to know he'll prevaricate for you.
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Or my browser's ... No-one else seems to have this problem right now.
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Economists View : April 18 2008
Ezra Klien and Robert Gordon
As Robert Gordon shows, however, this is crap. First, there's the timing. CRA came in 1977. The crisis came in 2007. Indeed, by 2004, the Bush administration had weakened the CRA -- and after that (though not, presumably, because of it), bubble lending really took off. Further, CRA only governs a certain class of federally insured banks. Problem is, half of the subprime loans came from mortgage companies with no CRA involvement at all. Another 25%-30% came from companies with very little CRA exposure. For those who left their abacus at home, that's 80% of the loans which were fully or largely outside CRA jurisdiction. More than that, the non-CRA mortgage firms made subprime loans at twice the rate of CRA-covered firms. Which basically leaves a stake in the heart of this particular theory. Indeed, until now, some conservatives have been moaning that no one is talking about the CRA part because it's so racially charged. Poppycock. It's just a false charge.
In the mid-1990s, new CRA regulations and a wave of mergers led to a flurry of CRA activity, but, as noted by the New America Foundation's Ellen Seidman (and by Harvard's Joint Center), that activity "largely came to an end by 2001." In late 2004, the Bush administration announced plans to sharply weaken CRA regulations, pulling small and mid-sized banks out from under the law's toughest standards. Yet sub-prime lending continued, and even intensified -- at the very time when activity under CRA had slowed and the law had weakened
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You should have used a Blackberry to post, you know the device McCain invented.
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And what has B HUSSEIN Osama given us? Lipstick on Henry Kissinger's ass.
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Economists View : April 18 2008
Ezra Klien and Robert Gordon
Yet Again, It Wasn't the Community Reinvestment Act
E.K. As Robert Gordon shows, however, this is crap. First, there's the timing. CRA came in 1977. The crisis came in 2007. Indeed, by 2004, the Bush administration had weakened the CRA -- and after that (though not, presumably, because of it), bubble lending really took off. Further, CRA only governs a certain class of federally insured banks. Problem is, half of the subprime loans came from mortgage companies with no CRA involvement at all. Another 25%-30% came from companies with very little CRA exposure. For those who left their abacus at home, that's 80% of the loans which were fully or largely outside CRA jurisdiction. More than that, the non-CRA mortgage firms made subprime loans at twice the rate of CRA-covered firms. Which basically leaves a stake in the heart of this particular theory. Indeed, until now, some conservatives have been moaning that no one is talking about the CRA part because it's so racially charged. Poppycock. It's just a false charge.
R.G. In the mid-1990s, new CRA regulations and a wave of mergers led to a flurry of CRA activity, but, as noted by the New America Foundation's Ellen Seidman (and by Harvard's Joint Center), that activity "largely came to an end by 2001." In late 2004, the Bush administration announced plans to sharply weaken CRA regulations, pulling small and mid-sized banks out from under the law's toughest standards. Yet sub-prime lending continued, and even intensified -- at the very time when activity under CRA had slowed and the law had weakened.articlehttp://tinyurl.com/65fqsx
Wachovia just went belly up. Think you or the far-right bloggers can keep blaming everything CRA or do you think the fact that the mortgage backed securites that made Wall Street and the people who dreamed them up BILLIONS in profits and bonuses might just be a bit more relevant ?
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Dow Jones just Plummeted 690 or so points.
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Sep 29, 2008 12:55:42 PM CDT
I'm looking forwards to the Palin debate more than season premie
by smackfu
It is going to be so funny, and so embarrassing at the same time. Palin is like a living Todd Solondz character, 90 minutes of her live will be epic.
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Thunderbolt Ross more than ably debunked your assertion on the Kissinger issue.
Obama also said, “I reserve the right as president of the United States to meet with anyone of my choosing if I feel it would protect the United States."
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good work folks!!!
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What's your point?
Obama also said he's not inviting them over for tea. That any meeting would be predicated on successful lower-level talks, and any face-to-face between leaders depends on the success of those talks. Ample preparation must be made for such talks - and may not even happen unless preparations are correctly made.
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Bank lending freeze sends economy into massive recession. How is that any good?
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People are fuck tired of big sticks being waved only leading to more conflict. Talking to Iran is far from the worst thing in the world. Economy is faltering. That's what people give a shit about.
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dont buy into the fear
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This is bad. We need MorbidObesity to come back and reassure us that the economy is fine.
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If he hadn't come up with that ridiculous 3-page manifesto trying to give himself absolute dominion over unlimited funds - and had sat down with Congress and briefed them to go for a comprehensive bi-partisan plan ... this would never have happened.
Fucker has no clue how to negotiate. He misread his own standing and this is what happened. (That's also the kind of bravado, Anchorite, that gets the West into trouble with the MidEast)
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Irrelevance thy name is Anchorite.
I don't think the voters really give a fuck about parsing the minutia in statements regarding Iranian diplomacy right now.
It is though a good thing Bush didn't engage in Diplomacy with a rogue state that actually HAD Nuclear Weapons.. Oh that's right he DID. North Korea anyone ?
And nobody tell Anchorite that the Iraqi President Talibani who both Bush and MCCain have greeted warmly and Talbani has called McCain "an old friend" is only the Iraqi President BECAUSE of support from Ahmadinejad whom Talabani rolls out the red carpet for when he visits, and is little more than an Iranian puppet.
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The only people who will hurt are the lower and middle classes. The rich already have their cash and property. This is not punishing anyone but ourselves. What's that saying about cutting the nose to spite the face? Or something?
You know what it's time for?
Say it with me folks.
Wealth Redistribution. -
I hear you got a nice Lexus. Gimme it!!!!
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Not even close! Any drag the unions have placed on the industry pales beside the incompetence
of upper management. They've spent DECADES fighting fuel economy standards while the Japanese
have been eating our lunch. Burying their heads in the sand and pretending it wouldn't come
back to bite us all - HARD - is what has put the US auto companies on the ropes.
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I'd love to be your dealer.
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And BSB, I think you're wrong on this one. There is no fucking way in hell I would want this thing rushed into action the way it was done. $250 billion right from the get go is a rather large sum of greenbacks, let alone the $700 billion (give or take, who the hell knows how much it would eventually be). I tend to lean towards letting the market take the hit on this. I don't know, redo all the mortgages then to 40 year or something, though that may not be worth shit either.And regarding Obama talking to Iran...both of these fuckers stretches the truth beyond reality. You can argue all you want on this, the bottom line for me is that I wouldn't want a President who wouldn't even consider talking to ANY country that has taken up an adversarial role against us (or vice versa for that matter). I'm worried that the old man just wants to go to war with everybody, and that scares the crap out of me. Obama worries me greatly on the domestic side of things since I don't know if he would really reign in spending. McCain will just benefit the rich mostly, so he's not on my team either.Again, is this really are best choices? We fucking need a viable third-party candidate now more than ever.
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I'm not sure if either candidate could fuck up the country more than it's been under Georgie's watch.
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Thats all I gotta say. Fuck him. May he rot in piss.
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.....W may be stupid, but McCain is stupid and insane. I would stick with the guy that is plain stupid.
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If nothing else, hearing Palin try to come up with a comprehensive financial solution for this clusterfucked Economy will be black comedy of the highest order.
Watchings voters will quickly realise she would become President and IN CHARGE of this Catastrophe should McCain actually win but die in office. And an icy cold chill will run up the spine of almost everyone. -
He really fixed everything!
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What really worries me is something I heard on NPR the other day - a conversation with an economist on the subject of commercial paper. Last time I read about that was in college economics, and I certainly don't remember much about it now.
If there are any talkbackers here versed on the subject, would love for them to speak up. But from what I heard - the credit crunch on the level of large institutional lending - something on the order of hundreds of millions in overnight lending - will have massive repercusions on our economy.
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Yes of course I want it. It's got resale value after all so gimme it. I'll sell it and use it as a downpayment on a shiny new Matrix. Or a used Mini Cooper.
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Get it right.
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Sep 29, 2008 1:49:11 PM CDT
OK ANCHORITE: LET'S DEBUNK THE MCCAIN WHITE HORSE STORY
by bringingsexyback
ONCE AND FOR ALL.
McCain’s Suspension Bridge to Nowhere
New York Times
Published: September 27, 2008
WHAT we learned last week is that the man who always puts his “country first” will take the country down with him if that’s what it takes to get to the White House.
For all the focus on Friday night’s deadlocked debate, it still can’t obscure what preceded it: When John McCain gratuitously parachuted into Washington on Thursday, he didn’t care if his grandstanding might precipitate an even deeper economic collapse. All he cared about was whether he might save his campaign. George Bush put more deliberation into invading Iraq than McCain did into his own reckless invasion of the delicate Congressional negotiations on the bailout plan.
By the time he arrived, there already was a bipartisan agreement in principle. It collapsed hours later at the meeting convened by the president in the Cabinet Room. Rather than help try to resuscitate Wall Street’s bloodied bulls, McCain was determined to be the bull in Washington’s legislative china shop, running around town and playing both sides of his divided party against Congress’s middle. Once others eventually forged a path out of the wreckage, he’d inflate, if not outright fictionalize, his own role in cleaning up the mess his mischief helped make. Or so he hoped, until his ignominious retreat.
The question is why would a man who forever advertises his own honor toy so selfishly with our national interest at a time of crisis. I’ll leave any physiological explanations to gerontologists — if they can get hold of his complete medical records — and any armchair psychoanalysis to the sundry McCain press acolytes who have sorrowfully tried to rationalize his erratic behavior this year. The other answers, all putting politics first, can be found by examining the 24 hours before he decided to “suspend” campaigning and swoop down on the Capitol to save America from the Sunnis or the Shia, or whoever perpetrated all those credit-default swaps.
To put these 24 hours in context, you must remember that McCain not only knows little about the economy but that he has not previously expressed any urgency about its meltdown. It was on Sept. 15 — the day after his former idol Alan Greenspan pronounced the current crisis a “once-in-a-century” catastrophe — that McCain reaffirmed for the umpteenth time that the “fundamentals of our economy are strong.” As recently as Tuesday he had not yet even read the two-and-a-half-page bailout proposal first circulated by Hank Paulson last weekend. “I have not had a chance to see it in writing,” he explained. (Maybe he was waiting for it to arrive by Western Union instead of PDF.)
Then came Black Wednesday — not for the stock market, which was holding steady in anticipation of Washington action, but for McCain. As the widely accepted narrative has it, his come-to-Jesus moment arrived that morning, when he awoke to discover that Barack Obama had surged ahead by nine percentage points in the Washington Post/ABC News poll. The McCain campaign hastily suited up its own pollster to belittle that finding — only to be drowned out by a fusillade of new polls from Fox News, Marist and CNN/Time, each with numbers closer to Post/ABC than not. Obama was rising most everywhere except the moose strongholds of Alaska and Montana.
That was not the only bad news raining down on McCain. His camp knew what Katie Couric had in the can from her interview with Sarah Palin. The first excerpt was to be broadcast by CBS that night, and it had to be upstaged fast.
But even that wasn’t the top political threat McCain faced last week. Bigger still was the mounting evidence of the seamless synergy between his campaign and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the mortgage monsters at the heart of the housing bust that set off our current calamity. Most of all, it was the fast-moving events on that front that precipitated his panic to roll out his diversionary, over-the-top theatrics on Wednesday.
What we were learning — through The New York Times, Newsweek and Roll Call — was ugly. Davis Manafort, the lobbying firm owned by McCain’s campaign manager, Rick Davis, had received $15,000 a month from Freddie Mac from late 2005 until last month. This was in addition to the $30,000 a month that Davis was paid from 2000 to 2005 by the so-called Homeownership Alliance, an advocacy organization that he headed and that was financed by Freddie and Fannie to fight regulation.
The McCain campaign tried to pre-emptively deflect such revelations by reviving the old Rove trick of accusing your opponent of your own biggest failings. It ran attack ads about Obama’s own links to the mortgage giants. But neither of the former Freddie-Fannie executives vilified in those ads, Franklin Raines and James Johnson, had worked at those companies lately or are currently associated with the Obama campaign. (Raines never worked for the campaign at all.) By contrast, Davis is the tip of the Freddie-Fannie-McCain iceberg. McCain’s senior adviser, his campaign’s vice chairman, his Congressional liaison and the reported head of his White House transition team all either made fortunes from recent Freddie-Fannie lobbying or were players in firms that did.
By Wednesday, the McCain campaign’s latest tactic for countering this news — attacking the press, especially The Times — was paying diminishing returns. Davis abruptly canceled his scheduled appearance that day at a weekly reporters’ lunch sponsored by The Christian Science Monitor, escaping any further questions by pleading that he had to hit the campaign trail. (He turned up at the “21” Club in New York that night, wining and dining McCain fund-raisers.)
It’s then that Angry Old Ironsides McCain suddenly emerged to bark that our financial distress was “the greatest crisis we’ve faced, clearly, since World War II” — even greater than the Russia-Georgia conflict, which in August he had called the “first probably serious crisis internationally since the end of the cold war.” Campaigns, debates and no doubt Bristol Palin’s nuptials had to be suspended immediately so he could ride to the rescue, with Joe Lieberman as his Robin.
Yet even as he huffed and puffed about being a “leader,” McCain took no action and felt no urgency. As his Congressional colleagues worked tirelessly in Washington, he malingered in New York. He checked out the suffering on Main Street (or perhaps High Street) by conferring with Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild, the Hillary-turned-McCain supporter best known for her fabulous London digs and her diatribes against Obama’s elitism. McCain also found time to have a well-publicized chat with one of those celebrities he so disdains, Bono, and to give a self-promoting public speech at the Clinton Global Initiative.
There was no suspension of his campaign. His surrogates and ads remained on television. Huffington Post bloggers, working the phones, couldn’t find a single McCain campaign office that had gone on hiatus. This “suspension” ruse was an exact replay of McCain’s self-righteous “suspension” of the G.O.P. convention as Hurricane Gustav arrived on Labor Day. “We will put aside our political hats and put on our American hats,” he declared then, solemnly pledging that conventioneers would help those in need. But as anyone in the Twin Cities could see, the assembled put on their party hats instead, piling into the lobbyists’ bacchanals earlier than scheduled, albeit on the down-low.
Much of the press paid lip service to McCain’s new “suspension” as it had to its prototype. In truth, the only campaign activity McCain did drop was a Wednesday evening taping with David Letterman. Don’t mess with Dave. Picking up where the “The View” left off in speaking truth to power, the uncharacteristically furious host hammered the absent McCain on and off for 40 minutes, repeatedly observing that the cancellation “didn’t smell right.”
In a journalistic coup de grâce worthy of “60 Minutes,” Letterman went on to unmask his no-show guest as a liar. McCain had phoned himself that afternoon to say he was “getting on a plane immediately” to deal with the grave situation in Washington, Letterman told the audience. Then he showed video of McCain being touched up by a makeup artist while awaiting an interview by Couric that same evening at another CBS studio in New York.
It’s not hard to guess why McCain had blown off Letterman for Couric at the last minute. The McCain campaign’s high anxiety about the disastrous Couric-Palin sit-down was skyrocketing as advance excerpts flooded the Internet. By offering his own interview to Couric for the same night, McCain hoped (in vain) to dilute Palin’s primacy on the “CBS Evening News.”
Letterman’s most mordant laughs on Wednesday came when he riffed about McCain’s campaign “suspension”: “Do you suspend your campaign? No, because that makes me think maybe there will be other things down the road, like if he’s in the White House, he might just suspend being president. I mean, we’ve got a guy like that now!”
That’s no joke. Bush has so little credibility he can govern only through surrogates (Paulson is the new Petraeus). When he spoke about the economic crisis in prime time earlier that same night, he registered as no more than an irritating speed bump en route to “David Blaine: Dive of Death.”
It’s that utter power vacuum that gave McCain the opening to pull his potentially catastrophic display of economic “leadership” last week. He may be the first presidential candidate in our history to risk wrecking the country even before being voted into the Oval Office.
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God DAMN am I sick of the saber rattling. Reality check. Iran is not going to go int otalks with preconditions. they have too much leverage. We have to go into talks on equal footing. What is the god dman big deal? Becasue they're President is an anti-Semite? Him and 3/4 of the god damn middle east. Who gives a shit? What's Iran goign to do? Nuke Israel and then just get himself nuked? fuckign ridiculous fear-mongering.
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Can't pimp proper without 'em.
Honda Fit is great on economy of course, but damned ugly. Isn't Honda coming out with their hybrid FCX next year? That shit looks hot.
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Sep 29, 2008 2:00:05 PM CDT
EHUD OLMERT IS CALLING FOR UNILATERAL WITHDRAWAL FROM WEST BANK
by bringingsexyback
A growing number of Israelis are looking at the horizon and realizing this conflict must end. Good for them, and good for the world. Enough of this MidEast crazy.
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Rich fuckos with Ferraris and Lambos who seriously need some of their wealth redistributed.
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and we're good at producing prime-time knuckleheads: Dodd and Lieberman to name but the most famous of the current ones...
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I make bold decisions, LEADing by example.
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Where do you want me to get info from? Newsmax??? Believe it or not, the personal accounts of those who attended the bailout meeting paint McCain in a WORSE light.
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I hear Connecticut has the most mill/billionaires per capita of any state.
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He's been talking about WB withdrawal for 2 fricking years now and it's horseshit. Israle would still retain Jewish settlements in the Jordan valley and basically wants to establish permanent Israeli borders without even negotiating with the Palestinians. Yeah, that will work.
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Douche.
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There are several stunning revelations here. First, House Minority Leader John Boehner's top aide pretty much conceded that among the motivations for the House Republicans' refusal to go along with the plan was to save face for McCain:
This is patent nonsense of course--it was the Bush Administration and Senate Republicans, as well as the Democrats in both houses, who favored the renegotiated bailout plan.
But more important is the revelation that McCain, who rushed back to Washington to expedite the negotiations, had very little to say--or even ask--about the plan:
McCain couldn't even pull the trigger on whether he favored the Paulson bailout, the House Republican alternative...or some combination of the two:
So McCain "suspends" his campaign--he didn't, really--and equivocates about whether to debate because the financial emergency is so crucial--a week after he said the fundamentals of the economy were sound--and he flies to Washington where:
1. The House Republicans blow up a rare, and necessary, moment of true bipartisanship to make it look like McCain, who has no expertise in this area, has come to the rescue.
2. McCain sits mute in the White House summit arranged for his benefit. He doesn't even ask Paulson what he thinks of the House Republican plan.
3. He refuses to take a stand, one way or another, on the Republican plan.
In the meantime, Washington Mutual--the nation's largest thrift--fails. Other banks are teetering. Credit has dried up...and the world financial markets are watching to see if the United States has the political wherewithal to save itself. McCain's erratic, and irresponsible, behavior this week isn't happening in a vacuum. This isn't just politics--even George W. Bush, who never failed to take a partisan advantage in his presidency, realizes that. It is a time for leadership, a time for John McCain to explain to his fellow Republicans that this is one moment where government activism is absolutely necessary, that they have to get behind the Paulson compromise--and also try to explain to the general public, as Bush did on Wednesday night, that their savings and mortgages may be at stake if federal action isn't taken. We've seen nothing like that from McCain. Just histrionics.
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Good one. hehe
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If you think that Kissinger issue is of any true relevance, then you're gonna love this write-up: http://tinyurl.com/4vfhlh
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Sep 29, 2008 2:21:42 PM CDT
I'm so fucking sick of hearing about Israel....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
...and how our foreign policy needs to always focus on their well being above all else. Sick of that shit. Its the one way Republican war-mongers can paint themselves heroes and continue to garner support. Fake ass motherfuckers.
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Duh, Fox News.
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Are you aware they are owned by MSNBC, who claimed Barrack won the debate? You should be ashamed of yourself for posting such nonsense!! Thats not showing much integrity on your part!!
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Sep 29, 2008 2:24:57 PM CDT
AHMADINEJAD TOLD LARRY KING ISRAEL SHOULD MOVE TO ALASKA
by bringingsexyback
That got a chuckle out of Larry.
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I think that's sort of a gross misrepresentation of those countries' attitudes towards the borders of Israel. Most would be quite satisfied if they were returned to the pre-1967 borders.
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Ha! Read it anyway, muthafucka!
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Sep 29, 2008 2:27:45 PM CDT
ANCHORITE - I JUST SIGNED UP FOR THE TIMES WEEKENDER
by bringingsexyback
Just because they've made Tucker Bounds' life so dehumanizingly miserable.
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"Thus for McCain, a full day and night after the exposure of his shaky running mate to such ridicule, to make the same mistake himself in Oxford, Miss., was really something to see. It was even worse if you heard it on radio, as I initially did, than if you saw it on television. (You can hear that geezerish whistle in his pipes much more ominously than when you are looking at his elderly face.) Anyway, on the same question of "without preconditions," he walked into Obama's tersely phrased riposte, which was to quote Kissinger in precisely the same way as Couric had already done. McCain looked and perhaps felt a fool at this point, and may have been only slightly cheered up when Kissinger told the Weekly Standard after the debate that he after all doesn't, at least not for this precise moment, "recommend presidential high-level talks with Iran." Which, when compared with his earlier remarks, makes it seem that he has no idea what he currently thinks and should either be apologized to by, or should apologize to, either Sarah Palin or Katie Couric, or conceivably both."
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Sep 29, 2008 2:32:16 PM CDT
BSB, you should read The Yiddish Policemans Union by Michael Cha
by backrivercatfish
It's what Alaska would be like if Israel was moved to Alaska. The Coens are adapting it.
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I'm not saying Israel shouldn't have permanent borders, but to seek them without even negotiating them with the Palestinian Authority is useless. It's just going to create new conflict.
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Let us know if you need some bucks. I dare speak for all of us when I say we can live without gas, food, water, subway service, law enforcement or lights, but how can we live without talkbacks?
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about speaking to nations without preconditions is stupid right now. Where on the list is that? The most important issues we face today are that McCain/Palin might make it in the White House. That's scarier then anything imaginable. WAIT! This is even more scarier, that McCain drops dead and Palin slide into the presidency. That's the end of America. May as well let China take over. They own your left nut anyways.
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Muchos gracios!
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We need to help keep Harry in the black during this crisis. Click!!!
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its $3.25 a weekend for Friday, Saturday, Sunday issues. Thats not bad. FUCK YES!!
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who says you should call now.
But really, you should call now. It's a great deal. Style, sports, travel, arts and leisure, you get it all.
Half off. Call now. -
You and your posse can come up anytime. You'll sort of get sidetracked for a while in Greenwich. And then there's Darien, New Canaan, Westport, Easton....
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"I think that's sort of a gross misrepresentation of those countries' attitudes towards the borders of Israel. Most would be quite satisfied if they were returned to the pre-1967 borders."
Weren't those borders expanded during a failed war intended to wipe Israel off the face of the earth? In other words, isn't that territory they LOST in a war THEY STARTED?
F--- 'em.
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If I may cite the case of 'Making Own Bed vs Lying In It. Israel is as much the 'good guy' in that conflict as the Protestants were in Northern Ireland. These people have been retaliating back and forth for so long, who threw the first punch has become utterly moot. In conflicts like this, same as the Northern Ireland situation, it doesn't matter who started it, because equal participation in the cycle of retaliation makes both sides equally compliant, and consensual in the process. To put it into perspective, if the arabs have done 215 atrocious things to the jews, and the jews have done 214 atrocious things to the arabs, how exactly are they the good guys again? Oh yeah, because they look and act more like us than the Arabs do. And while we're on the subject of this retaliation cycle we keep foolishly poking our noses into, it may interest you Israel supporters to know that Israel threw the first punch. Don't believe me? Why don't you do some research into exactly how the Jews went about removing the arab settlers from the land after we 'gave' it to them...no one is innocent in that conflict. One side just smart enough not to blurt out their true feelings in public is all.
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Sep 29, 2008 2:55:49 PM CDT
PILLOW - I'M GONNA TAKE SOME REDISTRIBUTED WEALTH FROM GREENWICH
by bringingsexyback
and do some mo' redistributing at Mohegan Sun. AAWWOOOOOO!!!!
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I agree. I have heard many horrible atrocities the Israeli soldiers have committed as of late. Like running over that aid worker girl with a fucking tractor? Fuck that shit. I take no sides in that skirmish. I can't fucking stand the way the media presents it though. They give us the death toll of Iraqi civilians in 10 seconds like they're pieces of fucking hamburger meat.....and when one Israeli is killed they spend 5 minutes on the story as if I'm supposed to give a fuck. A human death is a human death.
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The time for both sides to resolve their differences is long overdue.
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The Dems had no problems putting politics aside and supporting this bail out bill. It was the Republicans that put politics front and center and shot the bail out down to distance themselves from White House Republicans. They stuck together and said lets let the Democrats look stupid and support this-- then they can lump them in with Bush and distance themselves and McCain from the administration. Thats not politics?
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Consider: Everyone expects Palin to fall on her face. But she is a confident speaker, and very at ease on television - even when she has no clue whatshe is talking about and is bullshitting wildly. Biden on the other hand, is epxected to wipe the floor with her. If he gets condescending, or trips up noticeably because he did not prepare properly, then the perception could be that Palin - 'held her own'.
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...prohibit them from interacting directly like McCain and Obama were allowed (and had to be prodded) to. Everything is supposedly only between each candidate and the moderator. So they'll take potshots at each other but won't be able to go at it.
This probably benefits both candidates - it protects Palin from Biden going after her, but also protects him by not allowing him to look 'too harsh' by going after her.
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...that in this case the bill was delayed and there were heavy negotiations to get it to the floor. It was SUPPOSED to be what everyone had agreed on. Either the Republican leadership has less of a grip on things than they thought (and that's strange with how lock-step the membership has been up to now), or some folks weren't playing straight with their own leaders.
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Sep 29, 2008 3:57:15 PM CDT
So, Anchorite, what you are saying is the GOP played politics
by toadkillerdog
They put their own political imperatives ahead of the Nation. The purpose of leadership, is just that - too lead. That means even when things are unpopular, you must take a stance, and not play politics with it. Just mind bending that A republican President, can not get his republican bretheren to play ball, because they are scared. 'Oh, we got thousands of phone calls from angry citizens'. Yeah, like the Dems got thousands of calls from supporting citizens. Elected leaders are privy to information that ordinary citizens are not. And thus, are supposed to make informed decisions, even when unpopular with the voters, when they truly believe it is in the best interest of the country - not necessarily the best interest of the politician. My guess, is that GOP is looking for cover, and are trying to stall as long as possible. Hoping to put it off to the general election. But I gurandamntee, that one more day like today on wall street, and they will find the will to do something.
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Hey dawg. I see what you're saying about Palin but check this out.
No adoring crowds.
No scripts.
An academic audience, not a rally.
Up to her neck, hopefully, in left-field questions.
If it weren't so tragic it would be funny. This country is in the shitter, my friends.
Already major corporations are reporting problems funding ongoing operations.
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those rogue Republicans. It's not torture!!!!!
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Thats exactly what I'm saying. The Republicans know it will eventually go through. Everybody fucking knows that...you can stall it as long as you want, but a bail-out is inevitable. They are wanting to help out their party as a whole and McCain by distancing themselves from this lame duck President and dumb fuck administration. It makes perfect sense. Why the fuck is that so hard for you to comprehend? What....you're claiming the Repubs wouldn't dare participate in such cut-throat partisan politics? Give me a fucking break. They are all terrified of getting their asses booted from office come November....
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That's right. He already got his Defense spending bill so why should he give a fuck about this crisis.
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Trust me, I hope she is exposed as a complete lightweight if for no other reason than the utter contempt that John McCain had for America by choosing her. I have nothing against her personally, but she is such a truly terrible choice, and anyone who defends her by citing her so-called credentials, is a kool-aid drinking fool. But, I also realize that stranger things have happened, and that while she does not have the experience or intellect to lead, she does have personality. And if she can bullshit her way through, and if Biden screws up, she can 'win' by simply not being the worse on stage - even if it is s triumph of style over substance. That is the trap that Biden must negotiate. It all becomes moot if she truly screws up though.
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They can go ahead and pretend to oppose this bailout as much as they want. Most Americans blame them for this fucked up state the country is in. Bush and all Republicans in Congress get clumped together as one in most voter's eyes. And thats one big clump of STUPIDITY and corporate hand-jobs. The next 5 weeks are gonna be fucking golden watching McCain and Palin self destruct. -
That's right playing with fire doesn't even come close as Fire will go out whereas the fallout from this shit will stick and burn for a long LONG time.
Witness McCain, saying time after time HE is the Maverick who can go to Worshington and make things happen because HE is the true agent of change and is in fact Mr Bi-Partisan.
He parachutes into this clusterfuck backs the Deal, doesn't know what to do at the meeting, sees it begin to fall apart and gets the hell out of there flip-flopping on the debate.
And now he is cloistered with his advisors some of whom want him to go for the populist option and say no to any bailout while others think such a position will backfire and merely show him up to be a ditherer and untrustworthy on the Economy.
Will he or Palin even HAVE a position on the Bailout or the Economy by the time of the Palin debate ? Or will they just hide and hope this will somehow all go away.
There are no easy answers to this one (but the "alternative Republican plan sounds fucking bugnuts) and it's just possible Obama will take a hit for backing the deal.
But to NOT know what to do or what your position is or to keep changing your mind will be complete Poison for McCain if he wants anyone to trust him on the Economy.
And the Economy is the only game in town. Today, tomorrow and every day until the Election.
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i agree with what you said earlier, the bar is so low for palin if she only fucks up a little, that will count as a wincommercial paper is where instead of going to a bank a company goes to the market to borrow money. this paper will have a rating based on how strong the company is. The ratings which are on a scale have an important demarkation between 'junk' and 'investment'. more of these exist than usual because of high levels of public debt in the US. they get incorporated into various funds as a 'risk free' asset. but only if they are investment grade. when the credit crunch hit and people realised that many of these bonds were rated incorrectly hell of a lot of investment grade bonds got rerated as junk bonds. many funds have charters not letting them hold junk bonds so there was a massive selling of these bonds. now no one wants them. one reason (amoung many) that this is bad for business is that a good, viable business may be, lets say building a high rise. they got a loan to do this and now, through no fault of their own the loan gets called in and they go bankrupt (because you can't sell a half built high rise) work stops on the high rise and a lot of dudes lose money and their jobs. simply put, the rerating of commerical paper will make previous good projects (that may be half completed) no longer viable. again, one reason for this is government crowding out of the debt markets.anchorite, seriously man, pick an expert, buffet, benankie, greenspan. not bailout the banks will mean more than a hicupup and a few fats cats loosing money. it will mean that if you have a home loan, they will take your house and sell it for a pittance, regardless of whether or not you can meet your repayments.
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i'm just fascinated to know which authority on the economy you are basing your opinion on. Alex Jones?
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Jesus Christ! Can you imagine that rabidly deregulating, flat Taxing, jug ears full of crazy trying to sort out this mess ?
The public would either laugh or throw fruit at him.
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Biden=GodzillaPalin=Japan!
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Whenever Democrats fuck up its the end of the world and Republicans were 100% in the right. Whenever Republicans fuck up-- blame should be on both sides of the aisle? FUCK THAT. FUCK REPUBLICANS. FUCK JOHN MCCAIN AND FUCK GEORGE W. Sick of this fucking horse shit. They may all be elitist cunts but fuck no they are not equal on both sides of the aisle.
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Thanks for the info on commercial paper. Fascinating. I was looking around at all the construction projects in the city on the way home - don't know how many of these will remain skeletal this time next year.
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Sep 29, 2008 6:23:00 PM CDT
THIS CREDIT CRUNCH MELTDOWN IS ALL ANCHORITE'S FAULT
by bringingsexyback
I won't go into details, but suffice to say it's The Butterfly Effect!!!
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Dude, you are more partisan than me. I'm straddling the middle so much my balls hurt.
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just general stuff.
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it particularly hurts non bank lenders. a lot of the money that banks lend out comes from depositors. with out full going into it if you put a dollar into the bank they can lend that same dollar to several people. we had this non bank lender in oz called RAMS. because they had no depositors they were getting their funds through one month bonds on the international market. this is really not as risky as it sounds, no one would have expected that the market for these bonds would basically cease to exist. in the panic this perfectly good lender got down graded and couldn't borrow money. It went under. we have four major banks in oz. when this one went under it allowed the banks to become less competitive and they increased interest rates over the official rate. another reason for this (which they claimed was the only reason) is this crises is making borrowing money more expensive. There is risk in almost any investment (obviously lending to a western govt is one of the most low risk things you can do though) the level of risk should be reflected in the return on your investment. consequently if these bonds are being downgraded (another way of saying people think they are more risky) then lenders will charge a higher rate of interest to reflect the higher risk. borrowing has become more expensive and since any major project involves some level of finance, big projects have become more expensive. since all projects get the go or no based on the present value of future returns a small shift in the cost of borrowing can have a major effect on weather people go ahead with stuff or not, which clearly will effect growth in the economy.
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It was very helpful - and from what I heard, major corporations who rely on commercial paper for short-term borrowing to fund daily operations (payroll, buying inventory, etc.) are getting hit, which is quite scary. Even small business owners are finding it hard to get loans now, affecting them in much the same way as commercial paper for the big guys.
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any company with cash flow problems like that should have a good hard look at itself anyway
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In Godzilla films, Japan sustains some damage but is still there afterwards (and usually it's just Tokyo that directly affected anyway). More often than not at the end of the film, I suspect Godzilla ends up dead.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqmGzw-s2G8
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From the man who picked HD-DVD to win, we have Obama for the win. Thats awesome, especially coming from a person who knows his state is going to go for McCain by 15-20%. I realize that 7 of 9 is a great fantasy of his, but picking a candidate that only she made a Senator is more then a little silly.
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a 700+ market drop. Good job showing the whole world just how fucked UP you are. Nancy: Shut your ball-busting trap for five seconds. Republican Reps: Suck it up when someone uses the bully pulpit; you've done it plenty of times yourselves.In closing, if you don't have the votes, don't bring the fucking bill to the floor and cause a global panic.
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Japan is usually saved by some other monster who fights Godzilla. Japan herself is absolutely helpless, a mere paper mache model that only resembles a vital city. You see, Palin is helpless because only Rodan and Mothra, who in this analogy, are . . . uh. . . what are we talking about again? Shan, a little help here?
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they have a poison spike on their feet. no shit.
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Kissinger was brought up during the debates, and Obama didn't bring it up to support presidential negotiations but to refute McCain's idea of negotiations without precondition. He didn't say "Kissinger supports my idea of presidential negotiation", he just said that Kissinger disagrees with McCain, who says no talks without preconditions (or conditions, as we should all be saying ... the "pre" part is redundant).
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Military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist because of the irresponsibility of its own people. The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves.
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OMG Happy New Year, drink a toast and get back to fucking work!!!!
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I have no idea what the Flying Spagetti Monster was thinking when it came up with that.
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Blackmail from a hungry hungry maw of Wall Street ? Not at first. Frankly they were surprised and shocked and went into their automatic panic mode. But that didn't stop proponents of the Bill shouting the Numbers across the house as the Markets tumbled. And it won't stop there being another hellish day on the markets tomorrow which will "concentrate the mind" as they say.
Why isn't anyone asking about the Emergency planning BTW ? After Fannie and Freddie the Fed and Treasury should REALLY have been thinking about what happens if the worst occurs. And by the time of A.I.G. Bush and everyone who mattered should have had the Congressional Leaders of Both Houses in on some kind of disaster planning with Draft Bills well underway so this shit WASN'T so fucking rushed and the clusterfuck was avoided.
Having Bush and Bernanke spring the batshit blank check Bill and start the stopwatch, that was NEVER in a Million years going to pass without HUGE alteration, and was again, simply bugnuts.
Small businesses are going to find it harder and harder to get the cash they need for payroll and stock etc. There's a main sreet knock-on right there.
And the Main Street part of all this probably won't be fully felt until we are truly into the second half of this colossal clusterfuck. This is a Credit Crunch. It's gone way beyond the Housing bubble now and the Bailout was to go after the Toxic Debt and securities that were the more obvious mortgage backed ones. Feel like a loan anytime soon ? Tough shit.
Sadly the other punch comes when the securities from the auto loans and credit cards and "ninja" shit start to melt and take down those companies that are holding them.
BTW the one thing I ALWAYS thought was a complete Killer in the rescue Bill, exactly WHO decides WHO gets WHAT money and how MUCH at WHAT percentage etc. seemed to be a dealbreaker for many since that most crucial part was always murky and might have been decided by some of the very same people who got everyone into this clusterfuck.
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Palin's latest interview is again with Katie Couric, but this time she's with daddy McCain at her side. In to save the day, just like the economy. Is he gonna be there Thursday too? When Katie asked if she regretted saying an answer McDaddy interrupted Katie and said that she didn't have to answer that. Katie gave him a weird look and said that she said it. McLame is a complete fucking cockhead. I hated Bush 8 fucking years ago and that has grown with a passion over the years. I never liked McSame either. I hate him even worse. The fuck couldn't even beat Bush four years ago. What's that say? And that's when he was younger, where his age wasn't quite an issue.
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Sep 29, 2008 10:07:20 PM CDT
Oh and the McCain spin for Palin has begun "GOTCHA JOURNALISM!"
by g100
McCain and Palin were side by side with that GIANT of investigative journalism Katie Couric whining in outraged stereo about the Big Bad Media having the unmitigated SEXIST gall to report on questions being asked of Palin. And repeating the McCain Campaign talking point of "Gotcha Journalism" again and again and again like desperate parrots.
So the damage control game has started before the debates have even begun and Joe Biden and Gwen Ifill are being lined up to be smeared as SEXIST! Douchebags for DARING to ask Palin any questions about the Economy or Foreign Policy that require more than a yes or no reply.
P.S. McCain has had the Balls to criticize Obama for not being Bi-Partisan enough and getting 100% agreement from the Dems on the Bill while he has seemingly had yet another "senior moment" and forgotten that far more Republicans were against the Bill and it was McCain that had promised and boasted he would swoop into Cingress and be the King of Bi-Partisan agreement. -
Sep 29, 2008 10:51:51 PM CDT
MCCAIN AND PALIN WOULDN'T LAST 2 MINUTES ON A TALKBACK
by bringingsexyback
How can they face down Putin in the Alaskan frontier?
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Each candidate should make their rounds on all the political shows and interviews. Meet the Press, Face the Nation, Hardball..etc. Oh they have, wait except Palin. If you can't see that McSame has made his decisions ONLY to win the election and put everything else second then you are blind. Palin is a fucking joke. So, did McLame consider that if he won and then died in February that she would take over? Instead of just lying through his dentures on the talk show market "Yes she is qualified to be president." NO SHE'S NOT! He only cares about his self interests. What can he benefit out of it. Nothing else. Tim Russert would be shaking his head in disgust.
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There was a time recently when politicians, such as Barrack Obama, were criticizing the war in Iraq, calling the surge a mistake, and calling the General of our troops on the ground Genral Petraeus, General 'Betray Us', essentially calling him a traitor. This is also important in the context of democrats playing politics during this current economic crisis, because it is a pattern. During this period, when they were criticizing our troops, saying we lost the war while troops were on the ground, not voting to fund our troops WHILE THEY WERE ON THE GROUND, they were hurting our troops instead of unifying. They emboldened our enemies and endangered our troops, because of their partisanship and viscious hate for Bush(if you doubt the hate, just look how the unfairly now treat Governor Palin). Again, during a national crisis, instead of unifying to help the average citizen, the democrats put politics first.
Not only are Democrats like Obama wrong on the surge, but they are wrong about Iraq and the overrall strategy the Bush administration has used in the war on terror to keep us safe. And that is a fact that cannot be argued: the republican policies of President Bush has kept us safe here at home, despite predictions of inevitable attack soon after the 9/11 attacks. In fact, a recent AP story reported that as violence went up in Iraq, terrorist violence throughout the world dropped significantly.
Think about what that means: McCain was correct in the debate to point out that Iraq is the central front in the war on terror. The terrorists were forced to face our trained military rather than attack innocent people, throughout the world. Our enemies now have no choice but to put the focus back on Afgahanistan and other parts of the region because of our success in Iraq. Throughout the debate, Obama is simply wrong about the war in Iraq. He says we should not have gone in and toppled Saddam in the first place; but if that strategy was so wrong why did we not get attacked here in the U.S. despite every expert predicting we would soon after 9/11? Why did terrorist violence go down throughout the rest of the world? Yet throughout the debate, Obama insists we never should have went into Iraq and freed the Iraqi people. Is Obama naive enough to believe that Iraq was not a safe haven for terrorists? Is Obama really naive enought to believe that Saddam, someone who admitted to paying suicide bombing terrorists that targeted Israel that he did not share the same goals of terrorists who wanted to attack major institutions in the United States? Is Obama really naive enough to believe that Saddam would not have attempted to create his own nuclear arsenal, made even more likely by the fact that their rival Iran was building them? Does he really believe another enemy in the region would help stabilize the region against Iran when countries like North Korea and Russia were helping both Iran and Iraq? Why? A greater common enemy to them all: the United States, and the freedom we represent.
One must also question how much Obama really values the ideal of freedom when he doesn't believe the Iraqi people deserve freedom. At the very least, he should agree with the decision based on the fact that the people were freed from a genocidal dictator. He also doesn't recognize that by standing by our ideal of freedom as Americans, as President Bush did, by correcting the policy of his father and President Clinton, and giving the Iraqi people freedom, we gained credibility with the people who count: the average Iraqi citizen, and therefore, the average citizen in that region. Yet, Obama only cares about how we are percieved by the corrupt leaders of the countries who want to see our downfall. What his shortsighted view doesn't recognize is that if we allowed Saddam to stay in power, we would have continued to lose credibility in that region with the people who count. We would have been viewed by the average people in that region as no better than the dictators that abused them. Now, we have an important ally, not an enemy in the region, and one that could last for generations, and we are seen as liberators by the people who count. With that perception, other citizens in the region, like those in Iran, will be more motivated to rebel against their oppressive government, knowing they have a powerful ally who will follow through on what we hold as an ideal. The ideal of liberty and freedom. (Listen carefully to her interviews, and Governor Palin consistently recognizes this). Just look at the countries we freed in World War II, and the easter European countries who we helped free from the Soviet Union during the Cold War; they are our staunch allies.
Another point to bring up that Senator McCain was cleary right on, and Obama wrong was Russia. Obama doesn't understand President Reagan's successful strategy of 'peace through strength'. He doesn't understand that it was our advancements in Strategic Missile Defense(SDI) that forced the Soviet Union toward reform, this was technology they could not compete with. Yet, as he stated in the debate, Obama wants to significantly cut the development of SDI and our only defense against nuclear missile attack by a more growing hostile Russia. President McCain will keep SDI development going, and keep us strong and safe against aggressors such as Russia, and terrorist states that are developing nuclear technology. Again, Obama takes the naive view that we can make everyone our friend, even those leaders who are clearly aggressors out for power; he doesn't seem to recognize the reality of evil in the world. As the election coverage continues, listen closely to the position of Obama, and ask yourselves, "are these the type of politicians that will have the will, the leadership, and international credibility and respect to keep our country safe from attack?" -
It's bad enough we can't seem to learn the lessons of history, but can we at least try and remember recent history and try to understand what it teaches? The democrats are now using the same tactics against Governor Sarah Palin that they did against President Bush. Without any substance pertaining to issues, they will attack her character, even if it means using deception.
Obama has changed his position on the surge, of course, after it is an obvious success, finally acknowleding it was the right thing to do, as opposed to his plan for immediate withdrawal. He claims no one expected the success of not only the surge, but the Iraq war in general, and the freedom of the Iraqi people, but that simply is not true, and really makes no sense. President Bush has been claiming we will be victorious consistently, despite the ups and downs that are inevitable in war. Why? Because he understood that it only requires will. If we put the will behind the military power of the U.S. victory will be attained. The only way our enemy can defeat us, and why they use terrorism, is to break our will, and sadly, many on the democrat side were broken. The greatest weapon of the terrorist is fear, and the democrats gave in to fear,. Fortunately, President Bush's did not, and his will was never broken, perhaps because the foundation of it is unbreakable and eternal. Something to keep in mind when you see the media imply Governor Palin's strong faith is somehow something negative in relation to being commander-in-chief.
If you watch the video below, the democrats seemed correctly carried by strength of President Bush's will and the wise choice he made in the context of history, and the progressing terrorist attacks throughout the world that was starting to seep across the oceans and our borders, culminating on 9/11. What changed? The complete 180 by the democrats is a prime example of why our Founding Fathers structured our government as a republic. A pure democracy is susceptible to mob rule, or the constant emotional swings of the majority. Our Founding Fathers never intended our elected leaders to base their decisions on constant polling data. They intended our elected leaders to LEAD. But the democrats have forgotten this. President Clinton was the prime example of a president that could easily have been replaced by technology. With today's technology, every major decision that needs to be made by a president can simply be determined by the majority in an instant poll. That's basically what Clinton did, basing his decisions on polls, but he did have other personal projects to focus on. Contrast that with President Bush who sacrificed his own popularity and any political gain to actually lead, and do what he thought was right, as an elected leader.
The point is, as the video illustrates, the democrats sudden change of position against the war in Iraq, and claiming that it was wrong to go in, despite being a hundred percent behind it to begin with, was giving in to mob rule. When things went bad in Iraq, they gave in to the fear, they allowed their wills to be broken, and frankly, such weakness, that resulted in publicly stating that we were being defeated, hurt the war effort on the ground by emboldening our enemies, encouraging them to fight on, and endangering our troops. Sadly, Obama's early starting presidential campaign, which consistently bashed President Bush and the Iraq war, contributed to this. That is history we should not forget. Obama, like other demcrats, gave in to fear. Their will was broken. They showed no understanding of true leadership.
Obama continues to insist that we never should have gone into Iraq to bring down Saddam in the first place. Interesting stance when you listen to the arguments democrats make in the video below in favor of the war, in the context of the 9/11 attacks. It shows Obama lacks perspective on the meaning of those attacks, and the previous terrorist attacks that built up to it. If Obama had his way, the Iraqi people would not be free right now. Does Obama believe the Iraqi people do not deserve this freedom? That's not very liberal, in the true sense of the word.
If Obama had his way, we would not have gained another ally in that dangerous region. Now, we have one less enemy to deal with, and gained a friend. Also interesting that the democrats continue to say Iraq harbored no terrorists, yet it is reported constantly that we are defeating members of Al Quaeda in Iraq. Statistics also show that is the Iraq war continued to be fought since it started, terrorism throughout the rest of the world declined sharply. Again, President Bush was proven right that our aggressiveness on the war on terror brought the fight to their region; they had to bring their forces to defend Iraq, drawing them away from other countries and our own homeland. Now defeated in Iraq, they are withdrawing to Afghanastan, which is why activity has increased there. But they are having less and less places to withdraw to, but the so-called 'Bush Doctrine' of spreading freedom must continue, as Governor Palin correctly answered in her interview on ABC. If Obama had his way, we would still have the hostile enemy of Iraq to deal with, Islamic terrorists would still be spread throughout the world with the comfort to plan another major attack on our homeland, and we would not have gained the trust and respect of the people who count; the average citizen who wants for themselves and their families, as we all do, to live in freedom.
So, let's not forget history. If you remember soon after the attack on 9/11, every expert in almost every field jusifiably predicted there would be another terrorist attack on our soil, almost preparing us for that way of life, an atmosphere of living in fear. On that day, we felt what that was like. First we saw New York, then Washington D.C., was our city next? The terrorist weapon of fear. The experts were justified because history became clearer with that major attack. In the context of history, it did not come out of the blue. A progression of attacks built up to it. Also, international terrorism was spreading to an epidemic level. They were justified in their predictions, we would be attacked again; perhaps a suicide bomber, a dirty bomb in a mall. But since then, we have not been attacked on our soil, and much of it has to do with the strength of President Bush's will. He has kept us safe, along with bravery and sacrifice of our troops. If the Democrats were honest, and truly bi-partisan, they would acknowledge that today. Instead, Democrats like Obama, propose policies of a broken will; of the pre 9/11 menality of giving in to the fear of angering our enemies instead of standing up to them. A mentality that reduces freedom from an ideal deserved by all in the human family, to a cynical political position that implies only certain people deserve freedom for the sake of stability. As we have learned, such stability is an illusion. Again, we must be thankful for the strenghth of President Bush's will, and its foundation. Something to keep in mind when the elitist media attack the strong faith of Governor Palin.
Liberal Democrats agree with Bush, then lie, WMD then and now:
http://tinyurl.com/3qogum
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How could we be so BLIND!
Iraq has been a COMPLETE SUCCESS from beginning to end. And the slaughter, ethnic cleansing, supremely incompetent occupation strategy, staggering human and financial cost, complete lack of W.M.D.s and no ties to Al Quaeda (till of course after the occupation!) That was aaaaallll a dweam!
Likewise Bush ISN'T one of the most massively unpopular President of this or any age. He is in fact a Titan whose bold intelectual strategems have stunned doubters with an era of unrivalled peace, prosperity and respect around the world!
And best of all where once there was an unmatched brutal thuggish Dictator who ruled a secular state via his Secret Police. (unmatched because of course over the border in Saudi Arabia, where Bush's prom date The King of Saud lives, they have a brutal and thuggish RELIGIOUS dictatorship. So, totally different.) Where once Saddam ruled with his secret Police we know have an Iranian puppet Shia Regime headed by Talabani. Hooray!
And even better ,it's STILL the most dangerous place in the world even after the surge. And don't worry that the drop in violence was bought in hard cash bribes AND promisises to leave the Militias alone to rule their provinces and enclaves as tribal fiefdoms with brutal sharia Law and death squads awaiting those Shia and Sunni unfortunate enough to be caught up on the wrong province. And please don't fret about Moqtada Al-Sadr's now faltering ceasefire having been bought by promises from Talibani to Ahmedinejad to increase the powers of the ruling Shia in line with strict Iranian ideals. The fact that the Kurds are trying for semi-autonomy and laying a legal claim to the Northern Oil-Fields that the Shia Government considers it's own personal bank ? That won't be a problem at all. And niether will Turkey's threat to Invade in force if the Kurds declare anything like autonomy.
So you see much like with the Economy "the fundementals" in Iraq "are strong" and there's NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT.
A good thing Afghanistan is goin so well then isn.. ah. Well 0 out of 2 ain't bad.
Never mind. If there's one thing the past few weeks have tought all but the dimmest and most desperate of people, it's that scaremongering about Iran or Russia or Spain or anyone else as the Economy Crashes to pieces, may be even dumber than picking Palin for VEEP next to an old man with a history of illness.
The Voters have bigger fucking worries than scare tactics about yet more countries the NeoCons would love to invade. What's that phrase again ?
IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID!
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"When the war started, you said it was going to be quick and easy," Obama told him. "You said we knew where the weapons of mass destruction were. You were wrong. You said that we were going to be greeted as liberators. You were wrong. You said that there was no history of violence between Shia and Sunni. And you were wrong."
And President Bush is SO popular and highly thought of by his own Republicans that they are terrified of having McCain and Bush in close proximity let alone campaigining together.
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Seriously, what the fuck? "Again, we must be thankful for the strenghth of President Bush's will, and its foundation. Something to keep in mind when the elitist media attack the strong faith of Governor Palin." That is officially the most stupid fucking sentence (especially in in the context of the rest of your post) that I've ever seen in a Talkback. 1) W's strong will has made, being nice, a right fucking mess and 2)you actually want more of the same? You must be the only person on the fucking planet deluded enough to think the current fiasco in the Middle East is a success. Jesus tittyfucking christ. You are a perfect example of the inherent problems of democracy. Can you do the world a favour and never, ever, exercise your right to vote?
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Biden=Deathstar Palin=Alderaan!Nuff said.
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It actually is a problem. Palin is not a victim of it, however. She's simply incapable of answering the most basic of legitimate journalistic inquiries.
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Those posts were well written, even though I disagree with 99% of what you said. It does show you are trying to articulate your positions. I will not mock you for being anti-Obama. However, for someone who can compose such well written - albeit not well thought out or researched, posts, how can you be so narrow-minded that you allow yourself to be blinded by partisan politics to the point you look ridiculous? I do not have the time to go over point-by-point what you wrote, but a couple of things Iraq: No terrorists were in Iraq before we invaded. Saddam was a lot of things. But he NEVER would allow a power base outside his own to exist. Afghanistan, was and remains the hotbed. There are certainly terrorists in Iraq now. Even some remnants of Al Qaida (without the leadership or financial backing to export their violence). But consider, this: Just because they are terrorists, does not mean they can attack the U.S on it's home soil. There are all types of terrorists out there. And many different groups. But to attack the U.S. on it's home soil, that takes years of planning and lots of money and resources. Can you say Al Qaida? And just where the hell were they located? Afghanistan. We have not been attacked - thank God, because we killed and isolated the leadership of Al Qaida in Afghanistan, and other bases. Iraq was a huge mistake. Our resources should have been put into wiping out, not wounding Al Qaida - in Afghanistan. Where they are by the way, reconstituting their power. Why? Because we do not have the troops necessary to pursue them. That is why Gen. Petraeus is taking over in Afghanistan. And the attack on his reputation had nothing to do with Obama. It was an advocacy group not affiliated with Dems. Obama, nor any Presidential hopeful would be stupid enough to attack a general who has provided the only clear and winning tactic in the war. In fact Obama went out of his way to PRAISE the general. Stop allowing your hatred to twist the facts. The surge worked, but as Obama said, the war started in 2003 not 2007. And the surge is a tactic (McCain was so wrong about that). I am a former Marine so I know the difference between tactics and strategy. Let me give you an example: A victory on a battle field is tactically important, but it just a part of the overall strategy to win the war. The surge, was created to supress the violence, and allow the leadership of Iraq the room to grow. It can not be used to declare victory. It is to allow us to get out of Iraq - gracefuilly. But as the violence is starting to re-erupt, and as Gen. Petraeus himself has said, we can not declare victory. The SDI costs 100 billion dollars, there was a report just yesterday, that they still, after over twenty YEARS of research, can not even hit a dummy practice target consistently, let alone a hostile missile. Reagan did a lot of good things, and some terrible things. But SDI did not bring about the end of the cold war. That is pure fantasy. Just think for one moment: Even back then it was known that we could not construct a viable missile defense system in the near future. Back then it meant ten years or more. Do you really think that made the Russians decided that peace was only alternative? Yes, it strained relations, because the Russians feared it could be used as an OFENSIVE weapons systems if ever brought online: Preemptive attack. But it was a TACTIC. And so far, a very expensive and failed one at that.
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for that follow-up interview, accentuating further the fact that Palin is an empty shell not fit for the VP post. It never ceases to amaze anyone how low McCain is willing to go to get the Presidency. Every day he finds some fantastical way to lower the bar further into the political depths, without a care for the country he is hurting.
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Sep 30, 2008 9:49:38 AM CDT
THE PRESIDENT OF IRAQ IS A POLITICAL AND IDEOLOGICAL AGENT OF IR
by bringingsexyback
Considering the cost in lives, money and the failure to shift real resources to safeguard our country, the Iraq invasion was a mistake. Pure and simple.
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I misunderestimated the subject line limit.
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http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1845209,00.html?cnn=yes
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That was a pathetic attempt on the part of McCain to deflect all the negative press on Palin and spin it "the woah is us" theme again.
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What does it mean to "give in to fear"? Let's look at fear's results: Al Quada recruitment is up, up, up. World approval of US actions is down, down, down. This country, under Bush's leadership, GAVE IN TO FEAR by invading Iraq. We were so terrified that we just couldn't go about our lives without knowing that "somewhere" on the other side of the world (some place that we can't seem to find on a map), our military will be presevering out freedom by killing brown people. Of course, such wholescale invasion and the possibility of a terorist attack have little to do with one another. One is a national infrasctructure of citizens, commerical enterprise, industry, and yes some ineffective military, and the other takes 19 guys and some boxcutters. Do you see the disconnect there? So anyway. . . what is bravery? Is it to send young men across the world to battle "evil" while you hide under your bed with a portable TV tuned to Fox News? Is it to compromise your values by torturing for useless information and denying trials, premptively striking countries because you're AFRAID they might one day attack you 20+ years down the line, to freak out whenever some guy in a cave makes a home movie while picking lice out of his beard, to cringe at a guy in a ski mask branishing a rusty AK-47 that probably doesn't fire, to compromize every possible rationality to blindly believe that SARAH PALIN is somehow a reasonable choice for a world leader? Look my friend, we did EXACTLY what the terrorists of the world wanted us to do when we invaded Iraq, and about 30% are TERRIFIED enough to still believe it was a good idea. We acted rashly, and we knocked our credibility into the dirt. We contributed massive resources and time to chase shadows in the sand. That's the legacy of the War or Terror, both a Tactic and a Strategy born of FEAR.
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I don't want to buy into panic but it seems this $700 Billion bailout is the right thing to do, ESPECIALLY as it could be paid for in 2 to 3 years' time by sunsetting the McCain/Bush tax cuts for the wealthy.
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Let them burn.
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...and nobody believes that horse shit. Keep telling everyone middle class taxes will go up...sure. I'll believe what Republicans say.
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Sep 30, 2008 11:24:06 AM CDT
when Obama is announced the election winner....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
....women all across the country should be dancing in the streets. They will have deflected the most Anti-Woman Presidential Candidates in history.
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in the Rovian playbook is "Both candidates are crappy. Equally, equally crappy." Perhaps if they can get undecideds to tune out of the process, they'll just stay home. . . meh. Boring. I liked it better when they stuck with "Candidate A is a brave patriot and Candidate B is a hippie/commie/Muslim/traitor/etc." It was no less honest, no less absent of all tact and decency, but at least there was a contrast. . . :)
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We could, I don't know, MAKE THE RICH PAY SOCIAL SECURITY TAX ON INCOME OVER $110,000!!!!!
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I'm against it with a passion, but it needs to be done. We have got to get money back into the hands of those who spend it.
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Sep 30, 2008 12:12:09 PM CDT
WHEN OBAMA PUTS BOONE PICKENS' ENERGY PLAN INTO ACTION
by bringingsexyback
I'm gonna buy so much stock in that sector, they'll be looking to redistribute my wealth in 15 years. Nice!
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Next time you see talkbacker named The Nihilist, say hello. I'm 99% sure it's Morbid reincarnated.
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"I believe in rules and regulation to a certain extent."What do you mean by that exactly? How much regulation do you propose? Because the American public has seen numerous instances of Corporate greed with the recent financial sector failings, all the way through the Enron and Worldcomm debacles. Due to the very nature of absurd bonuses and goals, this leads to the warping of results and how companies actually do business. I'm sorry, but there has to be specific rules and regulations laid out to protect the regular joe's. And from my perspective, that starts in the auditing world, in both the current fiasco we are in, and past ones. I do not think they do the job that they are supposed to do, being easily bought out. The tax services that they offer are complete jokes, just trying to create tax havens and tax plans to grab more money from public and private companies.
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on the potential effect of each candidate's tax proposed tax polices:"The impact of the tax code on economic activity under each candidate's policies would differ in several important ways. Under Senator McCain's proposed policies, the top marginal rates (35 percent on individual income and 25 percent on corporate income) would be significantly lower than under Senator Obama's plan (39.6 and 35 percent, respectively). McCain's reduced individual and corporate rates could improve economic efficiency and increase domestic investment, but the larger future deficits would reduce and might completely negate any positive effect. In contrast, Senator Obama's proposed new tax credits could encourage desirable behavior, particularly if the childless EITC and payroll tax rebate encourage additional labor supply among childless low-income individuals. However, he would also direct new subsidies at an already favored group-seniors -and an already favored activity-homeownership-which could probably be better directed elsewhere."
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does he ever look them in the eye when he does his "straight-talking"?
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$110,000 aint rich.
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He's a reformed oil man, much like Matt Simmons, who put their support behind Obama because they know the score on oil and see alternative energy as not only a new frontier, but a necessary pursuit to safeguard America in the near future.
I didn't buy no Microsoft, IBM, GE, Ebay, Google or Amazon when they IPO'd but you bet your sweet ass I'll be buying whatever they're selling.
See you peasants in 15 years, when I'm sitting in my mountaintop mansion. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH!!!!! -
Anchorite, end Soc Sec? Really. Do you have any idea why it was put into place? Are you just being motarded or are you trying to stir the pot, because you really can not believe that we would be better off without a social safety net. What is the purpose of a country if not to take care of its citizens? A country does not exist solely that a small number of people can say 'see I made it' and screw everyone else. Soc Sec was never intended to be a replacement for retirement or pensions, but a supplement. Always a supplement. However, there are cases where it is practically all that people have to use to pay for basic necessities. And you want to end that? You are a heartless, gutless fuck.
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Sep 30, 2008 12:51:15 PM CDT
anchorite -- privatizing Social Security...another shit idea...
by dannyglovers_dickblood
And like most Republican concepts-- it sounds alright on paper but it would never ever work. Because quite simply most people are ignorant when it comes to their finances. Look at this current mortgage mess....people have no idea what to do with their money. If social security was put in the hands of the people to do what they want with it-- it would be absolute chaos. Go ahead and blab all that Conservative horse shit about the Government baby sitting the people....well, in some cases that is what needs to be done.
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Macaque!!!!!
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And you have no fucking idea what you're talking about when you say it isn't as if people can truly live off of social security. My grandmother lives off of social security......barely. Its not like you live well-- but it is possible.
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I may be wrong on this but I don't think Pickens has endorsed either candidate. I believe he has said that he could not openly support either one because he wants the integrity and neutrality of his plan to remain intact. Only when our new President takes office would he offer up the energy play for their approval/action.As a matter of fact, Pickens was just at a speaking engagement that was broadcast on C-SPAN the other weekend. He seemed to imply that he could never vote Democrat despite the fact that he would not disclose who he was actually voting for. He seemed a little cagey when the moderator tried to get him to elaborate.If any can presently search for the video, it may be worth checking out.
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Sep 30, 2008 12:58:40 PM CDT
do you think your pension will be enough to live off?
by just pillow talk
If it isn't, perhaps we should wipe that off to.I do agree with Node that all your earnings should be subject to social security tax. After all, anyone who makes more than that will end up receiving more social security benefits when they retire.
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It's not my fault my elderly neighbor has a broken lock on her mailbox.
As for Boone Pickens - no way is he going to endorse a candidate outright. You don't make that much money by showing all your cards. But it's been clear that he views Obama as the one with the vision and determination to pursue alternative energy. McCain? He doesn't have a clue how to even run his campaign. -
Tell him to put his money where his mouth is and reject his own payments.
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And assorted spawn of inbred ass-raped macaques! Free the Liberal Warrior!!! He is needed in these times of Motards!!!
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Sep 30, 2008 1:24:08 PM CDT
Fuck the middle class and fuck the old people!!
by dannyglovers_dickblood
Social security....awww...nobody could live off that measly shit anyway. So lets cut that shit off. They don't have any money to eat?! Fuck 'em. They should have invested wisely. It is the duty of every working American to invest and invest smart!! No more government baby-sitting....you're on your own fuckers!
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It's relative. I'm sure someone digging ditches right now would probably consider himself rich with the 6 figure salary. And to clarify people aren't paying any social security tax on income OVER $110,000. So that corporate excutive making $10 million a year in salary is only paying social security tax on $110,000 of it. Disgusting. All I want is for these Republicunts to pay their FAIR SHARE. For a country that has given them so much they are reprehensibly unwilling to give back to it.
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Sep 30, 2008 1:32:47 PM CDT
Anchorite....yes he does. Do a little research....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
....once in a while instead of regurgitating the vomit on McCain's website all day. From the AFL/CIO website... "Seems that even though he called Social Security a “disgrace,” the senator from Arizona doesn’t mind collecting his own monthly Social Security check, nearly $2,000 a month.
Says Edward Coyle, executive director of the Alliance for Retired Americans:
Retirees are puzzled by today’s media accounts that Senator John McCain received Social Security benefits of $23,157 in Social Security in 2007, an average of $1,929.75 each month.
America’s seniors deserve straight talk. Sen. McCain, now that you have said that Social Security is a disgrace, will you now mark “RETURN TO SENDER” on your check? " -
Sep 30, 2008 1:35:02 PM CDT
MCCAIN'S SOCIAL SECURITY - COLLECTS CLOSE TO MAXIMUM ALLOWANCE
by bringingsexyback
AP
Thursday, July 17, 2008
Republican presidential candidate John McCain cashes his monthly Social Security checks despite calling the federal program "a disgrace," the Associated Press reports.
"I'm receiving benefits," McCain told campaign reporters, but added, "the system is broken."
In 2007, he received benefits of $23,157 from Social Security, approximately $1,930 a month. The maximum monthly benefit under Social Security is $2,185. Social Security benefits are determined by age at retirement.
McCain, who is 71, has received benefits since he was 65.
Last week, McCain told observers at a town-hall meeting in Portsmouth, Ohio, "Americans have got to understand that we are paying present-day retirees with the taxes paid by young workers ... and that's a disgrace."
B.J. Jarrett from the Social Security Administration said that individuals can refuse retirement benefits.
In 2006, McCain's wife Cindy earned $6 million, and has a net worth of approximately $100 million.
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...this is the real problem. Its shit like that that is destroying our country. The absolute inhumane greed of the wealthy, and their addiction to more and more money. It cripples the rest of the country. The tax code needs to be simplified I agree. Simplify it by getting rid of all the scumbag loop-holes for the rich and set a tier system where the more you make, the more taxes you pay. Its really quite simple. You gonna have the balls to respond to me or you gonna continue cutting and pasting off Republican websites? -
There should be an automatic disqulification for SS based on a certain level of income and savings.
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Sep 30, 2008 1:37:14 PM CDT
Electric Cars are beginning to grow and so is Tidal, offshorewin
by g100
Solar is still waiting for the advanced technology to make it truly revolutionary but it works and things like micro-scale generation where-by small but compact and efficient wind turbines and more easily fitted small solar arrays will be used by individual homeowners to offset energy costs and pay for themselves over time.
Nuclear is simply far too expensive. Never mind the safety issue and waste disposal costs. You need massive insurance underwritings by the Government to make them work and they are not easily or quickly constructed.(not to mention WHERE they go.)Tidal is still fledgling being where Wind was about 10 years ago but many countries are putting serious money into it that have large coastal population energy needs.
There is no magic technology bullet and I can't see one appearing anytime soon as fusion etc. are just pipedreams.
If you wish to wean off the Middle East Oil teat then multiple source generation along with micro-generation combined with an at source energy rethink from Industry on all Electrical goods to reduce individual load seems to be the only way forward.
But it's not going to be overnight and Big Oil are not going to let it happen easily when they post the biggest profits for a Quarter ever seen.
BTW proposing an End to social security as a Recession Looms and the Economy hammers pensions ?... Good luck with that. -
Give me a fucking break and be honest man. If McCain were on top in the polls and if both he and Palin weren't self destructing their own campaign with lies and corruption, you would be on here bragging about him kicking Obama's ass and what a strong leader he'll be. Tell the fucking truth for once. Your candidate is an abomination. He is the poster boy of the Republican party's pathetic collapse. Yet you come on here and say shit like "There are no good candidates...." I love honest Republicans who put blame on both sides when its convenient for them. If the polls were telling a different story you'd be sucking McCain's cock right now. But as it is you try to convince Obama supporters that all politicians are evil at the moment......FUCK THAT. -
If they paid into it, they should receive those benefits that they are entitled to. I do agree with you that social security taxes shouldn't stop if one earns over $110K.
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My heart is uplifted anytime I hear him.
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Sep 30, 2008 1:52:47 PM CDT
The all Politicians are Evil spin to depress voter turnout won't
by g100
Not because many of them unquestionably DO have their hands firmly in the pockets of Big Business or that many seem to be there for no earthly reason you could find except for staggering incompetence, But because when you have UNPRECEDENTED almost intractable problems like Iraq, Afghanistan AND an Economy crashing and burning the public wants someone to FIX these things, like yesterday. And there is no-one else to do it.
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Anchorite - Two questions: What happens to the people who can barely make ends meet now WITH Soc Sec if you take that away? And, before Soc Sec. people had no security blanket whatsoever, and they knew that. They may have tried to save, but it was never going to be enough. Now you want to return to that? Node - People who pay into the system - faithfully, deserve to get money out of it. Entertainers may pay a higher amount during their peak earning years, but when it comes time to retire, that may be all they have to live on. I do agree that consideration should be given to reducing some paymenst to the very wealthy - and by this I mean people who are living on high six fgure incomes over 500,000 a year. But even then they should get something.
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No-one else can feasably run without either seriously huge private wealth to pay for a Campaign themselves or wealth enough to attract the kind of fund-raising that will see a Campaign through with all the costs that entails.
The web based populist contributions model is gathering pace though and we'll be seeing alot more of that in the coming years. -
He told Bill O'Reilly, "You can afford it, I can afford it."
Something Jesus would've done. -
Sep 30, 2008 2:06:05 PM CDT
Watching Bush try to persuade Reps. and the Public all I heard w
by g100
Quack. Quack,Quack,Quack. Quack Quack. Quack,Quack,Quack,Quack. Quack!
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Social security should represent a stable supplement for when you retire. I do not want that pegged whatsoever to the stock market. My 401K is there to take that beating for now.How it could be fixed: quite easily if someone with the balls on capital hill decided to stop spending money on wasteful programs like you seem to be a proponent of stopping anchorite. Tax ALL income at the same rate, none of this stopping at a certain income level. If you maintain that, then your lifetime earnings must also reflect a "cap" as well.
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If people had more money they would run up more credit card bills and buy bigger houses they can't afford.
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Obama this morning: "I've requested that they include a provision in the rescue package to increase the FDIC account limit from $100,000 to $250,000, so people will not have to fear losing their savings."
McCain this afternoon: "Me too!" -
Bush brings a whole new meaning to Lame Duck when most Republicans can happily tell him to go fuck himself.
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I have no clue how to fix Soc Sec. I do know that it is very much needed, and can not be done away with. We have already seen what unbridled, unregulated greed can do. Back in the 20's and 30's and today, when wall street is unregulated, it is the people who get screwed. How many people work in low paying jobs with little or no pensions? How many people can save any money for the future, when they can barely make ends meet now? You talk about investing? Even if they had money to invest, look what has just happened. How many elderly or people who will be retiring soon, have had billions of dollars in investments wiped out? How many years will it take to recoup that? I lost a helluva lot of money in my 401K and I will not get it back - if ever, for many years. But I am no where near retirement age (I wish). For those who are retiring or already retired, only Soc Sec may stand in the way of them having nothing or very little at all. And you want to eliminate that? And if, we had pegged Soc Sec payments to the markets, how many more billions would be wiped out. I do not have the answers - I wish I did. But I do know that we can not abandon Soc Sec.
BTW there was a U.S. congresswoman who lost her house to foreclosure about two months ago. I think she is from California. -
Sep 30, 2008 2:21:23 PM CDT
hahaha....compare Obama's money to McCain's....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
....thats funny. Whether you like him or not-- Obama is a completely self made man. McCain left his paralyzed wife to marry some hot rich chick running around with daddy's credit card. Real fucking noble. This single action set the tone for the rest of McCain's personal and public life-- SLEAZY.
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******My post from 2 days ago*****
"And chipps I'm hearing calls to raise the FDIC Insurance Limit as another insulator to stop a run on the banks.
Haven't read enough on it yet to really know if this is a viable solution or not myself, but it's out there and it's getting a fair bit of traction right now.
Here's a link to one such call.
http://tinyurl.com/52n5pd
To be fair BSB YOU also mentioned the limits in passing in a post too. It appears WE are in charge ! wootness!!!
No fucking surprise McCain is playing me-too! on Economic Policy.
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Sep 30, 2008 2:25:36 PM CDT
MCCAIN IS ALSO A GAMBLER AND TIGHT WITH GAMBLING LOBBY
by bringingsexyback
40 gambling lobbyists in his campaign. No wonder he's willing to gamble Social Security fund in the private sector. He's also as likely to gamble with lives in war too. He's been described as militaristic.
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Sep 30, 2008 2:30:10 PM CDT
THAT CAN ONLY MEAN ONE THING G100 - OBAMA IS READING TALKBACKS!!
by bringingsexyback
Yo Barry! Are you really Chrrissmm just fucking with us?!? GOBAMA!!!
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Thats exactly what I want for my parents right about now......their social security caught up in this fucking market just years before their retirement age. What an ignorant fucking notion. Absolute ignorance....its whats been running this country for 8 years. Oh yeah-- and Anchorite, your pal George W. has been fighting for privatized SS for awhile now....must make you feel good to have that winner on your team.
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I heard he started going by his real name because he didn't want to be so closely associated with his favorite singer of all time Mr. Barry Manilow. -
I just call him Messiah.
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Okay, she's farther to the Right than I can stomach but she is authentically hot. With that level of hotness she can think and say anything she wants. She makes Sarah Palin look like a pig with lipstick.
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I would definitely let Elizabeth have my abortion.
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A) From The Guardian:
"Iranian President, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, has made a remarkable announcement. He's admitted that Iran might agree to the existence of the state of Israel.
Ahmadinejad was asked: "If the Palestinian leaders agree to a two-state solution, could Iran live with an Israeli state?"
This was his astonishing reply:
If they [the Palestinians] want to keep the Zionists, they can stay ... Whatever the people decide, we will respect it. I mean, it's very much in correspondence with our proposal to allow Palestinian people to decide through free referendums.
Since most Palestinians are willing to accept a two-state solution, the Iranian president is, in effect, agreeing to Israel's right to exist and opening the door to a peace deal that Iran will endorse."
B) From the Couric interview - Palin endorses Hamas:
Couric asked, "What happens if the goal of democracy doesn't produce the desired outcome? In Gaza, the U.S. pushed hard for elections and Hamas won."
Palin's answer, in full, was this: "Yeah, well especially in that region, though, we have to protect those who do seek democracy and support those who seek protections for the people who live there. What we're seeing in the last couple of days here in New York is a President of Iran, Ahmadinejad, who would come on our soil and express such disdain for one of our closest allies and friends, Israel ... and we're hearing the evil that he speaks and if hearing him doesn't allow Americans to commit more solidly to protecting the friends and allies that we need, especially there in the Mideast, then nothing will."
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after reading the post you were responding to i actually couldn't have been bothered to respond to it, i was incorrect on so many levels. but i would argue the stars wars project helped end the cold war (i'm not sure still if by accident or design) because it kicked off a new weapons race that soviets just could not afford, causing their collapse. and it seems that because their system was so fucked up they themselves did not realise their finances were on the brink which is why the fall of the berlin war caught bush with his pants down. Since no one was really predicting financial collapse this would lend itself to the accident theory but still, the spend race certainly ended the cold war sooner rather than later.
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WTF happened to that douchbag Chhriisssm?Did he finally had enough of getting his ass handed to him on the TBs, one of the mods got tired of his rhetorical bullshit and just banned him altogether?Either way it's a win..then again there's coughlin's laws and skinjob.*shudders*
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I took the Michael Moore challenge on the American Carol TB- What say you?
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Nobody likes Internet bullies.
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All of the above. Expect more wingnuts jumping ship after Thursday night.
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I'll just go back to watching Happy Days and eating Turduken.
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What it's like to debate Sarah Palin
I know firsthand: She's a master of the nonanswer.
Full story here > http://tinyurl.com/4zp8nb
So we can pretty much see how it will be on Thursday. But will glib generalities and vague non-answers work ?
Well before the Financial Catastrophe it would probably have been more than enough for the Republican base and might even have won over some moderates who prefer "folksy" charm to substance.
But NOW... Granted she won't crash and burn as much as some think (sorry BSB I can't see a total meltdown myself) BUT Biden need only remind the audience a few times that the Vice Presidents main job is to be rady to step in if the President Dies while pointing out the seriousness of the problems that must be faced and Palins "folksy" charm and non-answers will look very, VERY hollow and scare away Moderates currently in fear for their financial wellbeing. -
I do agree with you about Palin and the moderates, the Independents. There is no way she will win them over, if that article is any indication of her performance. She will in fact lose more of them.
What was most fascinating during Obama and McCain's debates on CNN were the dial-meters being used by the test audience. And what we now know, from test groups at CNN, Fox and other outlets and polls, is that negative attacks will only harm the attacker.
That was an interesting article, but Palin's attacks on Obama will backfire badly.
Not only that, her live audience will be a roomful of faculty and students, not folksy people given to her folksy nature. She'll have no adoration to feed upon, and her snide attack lines will have a very different effect when falling on a silent room.
As for deflecting and giving non-answers ... that's all she's been doing, and her drop in the polls show that people are tired of her act. This is not a race for Governor of Alaska - population: drop in the bucket. This is serious business with a nation under serious circumstances. We know a hell of a lot more about her now than we did 5 weeks ago. We know she's an empty shell, totally unfit for office and she's a freaking loon. Her "record" as state executive has been exposed a sham.
It's becoming clear that McCain was not hedging against debating Obama, but that his "campaign suspension" ruse was to prevent this debate from happening. -
The meat of the Gods...
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...No, really.
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The plants cost an absolute fortune (often >$1 billion) and their construction creates a huge amount of pollution. It also takes years (often >10) to get them running at an economic level. Considering at the end of the day, what you're doing is getting nuclear isotopes to heat water to make steam that turns a turbine, there has to be a better way.
The probable answer? A combination of solar + wind + wave + other alternates + oil (aim for more efficient/reduced usage) + existing nuclear (but I doubt there's much expansion on the horizon.
What should be the major answer to energy supply problems however? Reducing consumption per capita will do a lot more than increasing production. People have to learn to consume less/especially wasteful energy consumption which will go a long way towards helping solve the energy crisis.
Apparently, all the standby lights on electrical appliances in the US? Total power used in one year = power output of a nuclear power station for 1 year. -
Biden is practicing with Michigan governor Jennifer Granholm on a stage that looks authentic, with an audience. Falin Palin is at McFuckhead's ranch in Arizona, outside, on the grass, under some trees, in the shade with two podiums and some dude at one of them. LOL! What could be more out of touch with what she is going to face Thursday. I predict she'll do ok though. It's not set up for them to talk to each other. More fucking shielding of her from McLame. They are given a question and given 5 minutes to answer. The pres debate they were given 2 minutes. So a couple of possible negatives for Palin and one for Biden. 1. If it is 5 minutes each, then that is way to long for her to stay on the rehearsed answer. She will go off on her garbled floating psycho babble. Even 3 minutes is too long for her. 2. When the audience hears the rules, right there that might looked rigged and look bad. As for Biden, he has to worry about not saying something goofy if the time is longer then needed for a question. I saw him after the pres debate and he was awesome. If he does that then it's no contest.
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call me crazy but i think he'd set a lot of things right!
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... The Man of Steel for nothing I guess ...
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And I concur regarding this Thursday's Debate,however I'm sure Pail will be more prepared to hold he own.There's still a chance that she'll screw up with her usual rudimentary responses.It's gonna be fun!
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So if I get this right, the Republicans rejected the bailout proposal not because of the proposal itself, but because of the bipartisan rhetoric that Pelosi spewed out? WTF?So then this is the party for the people then anchorite? How do you feel about your party's response? Don't you think no matter what the shithead Pelosi said, if they really felt the bill was going to help the AMERICAN PEOPLE, they would have sucked up their poor hurt feelings and passed the bill?Ridiculous reason to vote against the bill.
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Poor Palin was a victim of "gotcha jounalism." Whaa! All the major networks have a "liberal bias". Whaa! If it weren't for Jimmy Carter we'd have a strong economy and be at peace with the world. Whaa! Is the recent bailout fiasco any different?
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After watching her latest interview with Couric, wherein we discover that Sarah reads everything that is available to be read - in fact, too many sources to even count - I'm afraid she's more knowledgeable than we're led to believe. Biden better brush up.
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Won't even answer the fucking questions. She just dances around them like an Indian doing a fire dance. What newspapers, magazines have you read? Everything that's been put in front of me, blah, blah, blah. Are you against the morning after pill? Duh...............
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NOW Gwen Ifill is nonpartisan enough. . . . WHAA! WHAA!
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