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Michael Moore's SLACKER UPRISING Is Now Available For Free (And Legal!!) Download On The Internets!!
Merrick here...
Michael Moore has made SLACKER UPRISING, his new film, available for free download via the project's OFFICIAL WEBSITE.
In the ABOUT section of the site, Moore offered two reasons for this free availability:
1. Next year it will be 20 years since my first film, "Roger & Me," so I'd like to give those of you who've supported my work over the years a thank you gift in the form of a brand new movie; and
2. I hope the release and wide distribution of this new movie will help to bring out millions of young and new voters on November 4th.
Multiple preview clips from the film can be found HERE, and here's an embed of its trailer:
To check it out, all you gotta do is...
JUMP!!!
1. Next year it will be 20 years since my first film, "Roger & Me," so I'd like to give those of you who've supported my work over the years a thank you gift in the form of a brand new movie; and
2. I hope the release and wide distribution of this new movie will help to bring out millions of young and new voters on November 4th.
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Nuff said.
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..............to say that Michael Moore is a douchebag!
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going to be free on the internets, too? Oh, yeah, I forgot, they think it's going to make money...
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the liberal can't even spell "American" right!
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Actually, he forgot the "s" as it should be an Ameriscam Carol.
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you can also get this for free on iTunes.
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Moore doesn't have nearly the influence he believes he has. He is a classic "preaching to the choir" activist. If Obama wins he will somehow try to take some credit for it. He is probably more of a liability to his cause.
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Here. we. go.
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Apparently those ideals are soley owned by the Democrats. Republicans only believe in lying, indecency, and enslavement of all peoples. Funny enough, I am pretty sure there are quite a few people on these boards who believe that. Look, here is the thing, I want to believe in what Moore is saying, I want to believe that if we elect Obama and take back the White House from the Repubs, that everything would change. But it won't. The problem is not that we shouldn't vote, we should, but where I think the real difference makers are, is in the congress and senate offices, and those elections get far less exposure. Not only that, but I do believe that the youth would want to fight a revolution to get rid of corruption, to get rid of the lies, to get rid of the career politicians who will say and do anything to hold on to their power and their greed. But the problem is that Democrats have just as many SOB's as Repubs. And just because I believe that we should have truth, decency, and human rights, doesn't mean that I also believe that socialism is the best form of government for the people. I fail to understand how larger goverment, either a socialist state or a fascist state, is going to "help" the people. All it helps is the state!
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Who's the douchebag you first failing troll?
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No. They don't.
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"I want to believe" in Obama. I want to believe that he is about unity, that he is about change. But all I see is a candidate who voted with his party %95 of the time, when has Obama ever, EVER, challenged his own party on an issue. When has he ever dissagreed with the far left in order to support a more populist or centrist view. Damn, if I haven't come full circle and believe that perhaps the candidate who could have offered us the greater change would have been Hillary. Is that crazy or what?
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so he's releasing it for free. This way he avoids the embarassment of having a box-office flop, and he gets to look 'cool' for giving away his film to the masses. Few give a rat's ass about MM now, and fewer will waste the time to actually download this.
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You can sit back and say that your shit doesn't stink? I can't stand the Republican party, but I am dissulusioned with the Dems. To say that the Dems are spotless angels who don't have a rogues gallery full of assholes is just plain naive.
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No. I said there aren't as many SOB's in the Democratic Party as the Republican Party. Every fucking week some new corrupt or pederizing Republican comes out of the woodwork. Tha thappens for the Dems as well but maybe once or twice a year....maybe. Do the math.
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Even if it is for free.And, my internet connection is slow right now, so I don't want to waste the time.And, Democrats suck... and Republicans. I vote the way a real slacker should, I don't.
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Let's not forget Barney Frank and Chris Dodd considering what's playing out right now with the economy.
See, that's the thing...I'm not voting for Obama/Biden but they seem like nice guys. I just don't agree with them. It never dawns on me to rip them or their families personally. On the other hand, the amount of pure hatred and loathing for Sarah Palin is astonishing.
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But maybe I just am not seeing what you are seeing.
Quck Hobo, give me the last four Republicans who have been accused of douchebaggery in the last month. I am sure there are plenty to choose from, I have no doubt. Just also remember that there is Allan Mollohan, John Murtha, Alcee Hastings, Steny Hoyer, and of course, Harry Reid. All Dems, all liars, all cheating the system for their own gain. Politicians are liars on both sides of the aisle, let's not be silly about this. -
No clear thinking educated person should let themselves get sucked into this good vs evil crap. I may vote Obama, but you would have to be pretty simple minded to believe he represents goodness and morality while McCain is the devil. It's intellectually lazy.
Think for yourselves who is being trotted out to "educate you"? Eddie Vedder? I love Pearl Jam but the guy is a high school drop out. Does anyone really think Eddie has a firm grasp on the issues? Did he take economics 101 while prepping for his GED? High school History was breaking his balls but he now understands complex public policy? Roseanne Barr?! Are you kidding me, you need to hide her away in a cave. She's another high school drop out that spent time in a mental institution. I'm supposed to chose a leader of the free world on her suggestion?! Isn't a wiser course of action to ask her who to vote for and go the other way? -
Only America can produce such a great man.
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I'd say those are pretty accurate interpretationisms of my statements. Nice work John! Hey try these ones as well..."If you aren't a Democrat, you are the spawn of Satan (if Satan existed that is)Anyone who doesn't believe in socialist economic policy must be a white, corporate, elitist snob If the Democrats had unimpeded control of government, life around the globe would instantly be better than even Bono's most glorious wet dreams. George Will is an ivory tower buffoon, the only George we should ever listen to is Clooney!
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He's pretty smart, I hear.
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...Don't think I'll bother.
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So you're choosing a candidate based on gaining revenge on a movie trailer? That's all.
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...if only:'(
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I'm more ripping Moore's choice of persuasion. The "don't take my word for it here's Roseanne Barr" approach. It's all noise give me details, teach me something.
If Michael Moore trotted Warren Buffett out there and had him say a few words, I'd watch his movie, actually learn something and maybe give Moore his desired response - an Obama vote. -
Sep 24, 2008 3:09:08 PM CDT
The more documentaries I watch, the more I hate this guy.
by thelastcleric
He really is a posturing, bloated bit of sewage and regardless of his political views (many of which I agree with) his “documentaries” are anything but. I watch about 30 – 40 documentaries a year thanks to Showtime and it really is one of the most underappreciated and potentially nuanced art forms out there. Unfortunately, Moore is a slug who bullies his way through projects, edits everything to fit his little agenda, and then feigns surprise and ignorance when he is called out for his antics. Every single documentary he’s done, including Roger and Me, has been predicated upon bullshit, lies, and misinformation. The man is completely disingenuous, egotistical, and as a bonus has become a mouthpiece for the democrats since having decided that an independent like Nader (whom he fucked over and left for political death) can’t ever win the presidency. There have been a couple of very well made documentaries that have directly attacked Moore and exposed his bullshit (including a Canadian film that was originally supposed to be a more complimentary endeavor), yet nobody pays attention and this douche gets an academy award. He really is an insult to the art form and it’s no wonder a growing number of real documentarians have rebuked him.
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The best smokescreen the rulers can hope for.
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That happened with Jackass 2.5. They said it was free, but in reality it was a commercial for a movie service application. Download it and you can watch the movie that. meh! no thanks!
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Name one lie from a Michael Moore film. One.
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I won't watch that.
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Sep 24, 2008 3:16:24 PM CDT
Michael Moore looks older, fatter and more unhealthy than ever!
by orionsangels
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Clinton had 8 years in the national spotlight for people to form an opinion and attack his character. Palin has had 8 weeks. She has been disrespected every way imaginable in a short time. People saying on national TV her kid isn't hers, that's respectful. Nobody even knows her yet, she's barely talked to the media. This goes both ways, how can you really love her yet too? It's become the old Seinfeld joke about not rooting for athletes only uniforms. The day she showed up she instantly became a female Ronald Reagen to the right and The crazy bible lady from The Mist to the Left. It doesn't matter what the truth is.
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I don't know if all of Moore's movies were "predicated upon bullshit, lies, and misinformation." I think it seems to me, more likely that during his film making he recognized key edits, changes, and revision that would help him make his case and heighten the drama, and so he took the lazy approach and slanted the view of the film in order to prove a point. Now some say almost every documentary does this in order to heighten the drama. Hell, Billy Mitchell still maintains that KOK is a lying piece of propoganda. The problem with most popular documentarians, like Moore, Spurlock, jeez even Ken Burns, is that they start with a premise, and then see how reality can fit within the parameters of what they believe. The best docs are the ones where the film makers know very little about their subject matter, and learn through the process. They are far less apt to be biased.
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Here's a lie. For Bowling For Columbine you can't just walk into a bank and walk out with a free gun for opening an account. Moore made it look that easy for effect. Google it chief. There's your lie boss, how do you like them apples?
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If you are really as old as Mac hisself (in otherwords Methuselah), than can I assume that you are the originator of that great old playgound comeback...I'm rubber, you're glue, whatever you say bounces from me and sticks to you. Cause that is pretty old school! Nice.
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We don't know her? In the last month or so I've learned about her career and voting record and the results of her leadership in painstaking detail. And you know what? It aint pretty. She's a religous fanatic, she panders to secessionists, she left her hometown in debt after entering with a surplus, she doesn't support gay marriage, she doesn't support a woman's right to choose even in extreme cases, she supported the worst example of federal pork spending in history then reversed herself once it was unpopular, she funneled millions in wasteful earmarks as governor of her state into her hometown, she preaches family values when she can't even keep her own 16-17 year old daughter from getting knocked up by the local douchebag, she tried to ban books in her local library and then tried to fire the librarian who told her to fuck off, and she tried to fire her brother-in-law sheriff (or whatever) for personal reasons. I know enough.
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Michael Moore makes me sad. Back when he was making documentaries and trying to point out corporate corruption, he was actually an intelligent entertaining director. He, like so many people on both sides of the issues, let himself get obsessed with politics till it drove him off the deep end. Now he makes these fictional movies that appeal to a small subset of his potential audiance and piss off everyone else. That's the one thing i hate the most about the bush adminstration, how people's hate for it made them lose touch with reality. Michael Moore, Sean Penn, The dixie Chicks, Harry and the rest of the AICN staff have all become shadows of their former selfs. I miss when entertainers tried to entertain and political experts tried to educate people on politics and not visa versa.
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nice and juicy because you're DEAD WRONG. That scene in Columbine was STAGED in that it was set up prior to filming, hence it's being labled as fake, but IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED just like it does i nthe film.
The Truth: In the spring of 2001, I saw a real ad in a real newspaper in Michigan announcing a real promotion that this real bank had where they would give you a gun (as your up-front interest) for opening up a Certificate of Deposit account. They promoted this in publications all over the country – "More Bang for Your Buck!"
There was news coverage of this bank giving away guns, long before I even shot the scene there. The Chicago Sun Times wrote about how the bank would "hand you a gun" with the purchase of a CD. Those are the precise words used by a bank employee in the film.
When you see me going in to the bank and walking out with my new gun in "Bowling for Columbine" – that is exactly as it happened. Nothing was done out of the ordinary other than to phone ahead and ask permission to let me bring a camera in to film me opening up my account. I walked into that bank in northern Michigan for the first time ever on that day in June 2001, and, with cameras rolling, gave the bank teller $1,000 – and opened up a 20-year CD account. After you see me filling out the required federal forms ("How do you spell Caucasian?") – which I am filling out here for the first time – the bank manager faxed it to the bank's main office for them to do the background check. The bank is a licensed federal arms dealer and thus can have guns on the premises and do the instant background checks (the ATF's Federal Firearms database—which includes all federally approved gun dealers—lists North Country Bank with Federal Firearms License #4-38-153-01-5C-39922).
Within 10 minutes, the "OK" came through from the firearms background check agency and, 5 minutes later, just as you see it in the film, they handed me a Weatherby Mark V Magnum rifle (If you'd like to see the outtakes, click here).
And it is that very gun that I still own to this day. I have decided the best thing to do with this gun is to melt it down into a bust of John Ashcroft and auction it off on E-Bay (more details on that later). All the proceeds will go to The Brady Campaign To Prevent Gun Violence to fight all these lying gun nuts who have attacked my film and make it possible on a daily basis for America's gun epidemic to rage on.
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I find that name funny. that's all.
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When he announced. that he doesnt give interviews and that he doesnt like documentaries. He will only do stuff like Jay or dave or conan. or newsnight if he gets to bash bush and blair. This is the same reason, why I loathe George Galloway. I cannot stand him. Galloway gets pissed off when interviewers ask about him, when he was on the late late show last year he tore the head off the Magill editor Eamonn Delaney when delaney merely asked him about the profits from Galloways Oil Company. and he doesnt like that and neither does Moore. mind you palin, obama and McCain dont like to be questioned off the cuff either.
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We probaly agree on a lot, I'm probably voting Obama. But I am against the noise machine. These are all tired talking points coming from someone that would not support her if she was Wonder Woman so your biased, which truthfully marginalizes your point of view.
Do this for me please:
1) Google Obamas stated position on gay marriage (he's against it)
2) Google the personal reasons she wants her brother in law fired (the douchebag tasered his kid)
3) The abortion issue is never going away people feel strongly about it and 1/2 the world disagrees with you big boy.
4) Help me understand how she's a religious fanatic. "Because it serves my agenda" is not an acceptable answer.
Palin is a bible thumping book burner = Obama is a Muslim.
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I never saw that quote from Moore and to this day I believed it was staged. I'll admit I was wrong.
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Like him, I support civil unions for gays and lesbians, though. Marraige between a man and woman(s) is a universal custom throughout history. Civil unions address all the important needs that gays and lesbians want and deserve.
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The best criticism of a candidate is the one that isn't filled with rhetoric. So let's examine your statements regarding Palin...
She's a religous fanatic - Depends, she's religous, but what constitutes fanatic? And who are we to judge that? And since when do Democrats care about someone's religous beliefs, I thought it shouldn't matter?
She panders to secessionists - Depends, she sent a welcome video to a political party that includes members who believe in seccession. But is that any worse than going to a church whose preacher is an avowed racist?
She left her hometown in debt after entering with a surplus - Absolutely true, and a fair criticism.
She doesn't support gay marriage - True.
She doesn't support a woman's right to choose even in extreme cases, - True
She supported the worst example of federal pork spending in history then reversed herself once it was unpopular,- True, although she also fought reps in her own party over that bridge, so even though she changed her position, she had to fight the old boys to do it. She funneled millions in wasteful earmarks as governor of her state into her hometown, - True, but then again so have many politicians, that's why they are all pieces of crap. She preaches family values when she can't even keep her own 16-17 year old daughter from getting knocked up by the local douchebag, -Really dude, really? You want to go down that road? Alright, but I am pretty sure that Clinton doesn't say "I agree with LIARS!" Despite the fact that her husband boned every dress in site. I just think that is a weak reason to attack a candidate when there are far more legitimate reasons. She tried to ban books in her local library and then tried to fire the librarian who told her to fuck off - I believe this is true, haven't validated it. She tried to fire her brother-in-law sheriff (or whatever) for personal reasons. - Not true. First of all her brother-in-law was convicted of tazering his wife and kids, so whoever you are, you have to agree that this dude deserves to get the axe. But the real issue is that she fired some official or top political member, or somebody, who says that "he" was fired for not firing Palin's brother in law. Palin dissagrees, and there is an investigation, so I think the jury is out on that one. All in all I think most of your criticism is fair, when it sticks to the issues, when you get into the bullshit personal tabloid crap, which I believe A-Cod is talking about, then I think you are just playing the politics as usual dirty crap. That stuff is worthless to me, and doesn't get us anywhere. -
Can you try your tiny url again? doesn't seem to work, and I would be interested in your link.
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1) Google Obamas stated position on gay marriage (he's against it)
Ok. You got me. He doesn't support gay marriage, but he supports same-sex civil unions, sponsored hate-crime and sexual discrimination legislation, and wants to repeal "don't ask, don't tell". I'll give him a break for wanting to dredge up a few more votes from hard-line Christians by not supporting gay marriage.
2) Google the personal reasons she wants her brother in law fired (the douchebag tasered his kid)
He tasered his stepson but didn't use a live cartridge and the kid was lying down on pillows. They were playing. The kid even bragged about the shit. It was like a bad static shock most likely but it was still stupid. but the bottom line is Palin wanted him gone because of her sister's ugly divorce from the guy and it's still an abuse of power.
3) The abortion issue is never going away people feel strongly about it and 1/2 the world disagrees with you big boy.
they disagree with it becasue of other religous kooks like Palin telling them it's wrong and trying to ban it. It shouldn't be a politcal issue, it's a persona ldecision.
4) Help me understand how she's a religious fanatic. "Because it serves my agenda" is not an acceptable answer."Pray...for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God."
"I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that."
And don't forget her old Wasilla pastor: Pastor Kalnins has also preached that critics of President Bush will be banished to hell; questioned whether people who voted for Sen. John Kerry in 2004 would be accepted to heaven; charged that the 9/11 terrorist attacks and war in Iraq were part of a war "contending for your faith;" and said that Jesus "operated from that position of war mode."
Ladies and gentleman: Palin's Rev. Wright.
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Sep 24, 2008 4:05:41 PM CDT
BUSH IS LUCKY HIS SPEECH DIDN'T INTERRUPT DANCING WITH THE STARS
by bringingsexyback
Or there would have been hell to pay.
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there, i said it.
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Sep 24, 2008 4:09:26 PM CDT
SARAH PALIN SAYS WE ARE HEADING INTO GREAT DEPRESSION
by bringingsexyback
Nuance, lady! Learn it, live it!
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You said it chipps.
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Democrats are not republicans, their criticisms of the other side are generally based upon facts and logic rather than emotion and a "My side at all costs mentality" You also ignored many of hobocode's statements illustrating Sarah Palin's fiscal irresponsibility and inadequacy of foreign experience.
To adrress your points specifically (1) Obama may support civil unions over full gay marriage, but he has does not believe you can "pray away the gay", (2) that just means her brother in law deserves a beating, it did not giver her the right to abuse the power of her office, 3) Way to address a strawman. Yes, if she were merely anti-choice, many on the Left would oppose her, but she also is against abortion in the cases of incest and rape? Do you think a 15 year old girl who was raped by her father should be forced to have her baby? 4) Here you are just way off base. The problem is, Palin is a bible thumping book burner and Obama is not a Muslim. Palin tried to have books she thought offensive because it contained neutral depictions of gay people removed from a local library and when the local librarian refused, she tried to haver her fired. She said before she backtracked that we were doing the Lord's work in Iraq. How do you not interpret that as a religious nut? -
....its great because she doesn't even have to wait for a room to be ready, she can just squat on the table in the waiting room and dump a full grown man out with a geyser of pig entrails and sauerkraut.
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Right or Left, we all should get one.
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This looks like the worst film ever. I don't like Bush. But Michael Moore almost makes me want to give Bush the benefit of the doubt. Moore so consistently insults the audience's intelligence that I'm horrified that anyone can even think of taking him seriously. He's exactly like Bush and the Bush people in that everything he does begins from this basic premise: "People are too stupid to understand complex issues or what's best for them." I don't agree. I tend to think that even if people are stupid, it's a good idea to listen to them and speak with them and try to treat issues honestly. Moore and the Bush people both agree that people are too stupid to even bother so just manipulate the fuck out of them. Michael Moore isn't interested in issues or helping fix things or improve things: Michael Moore is interested in advancing Michael Moore. And you know, that's fine. But do it honestly. Donald Trump is only interested in Donald Trump. But at least he doesn't pretend to be a champion of the common man or even give a shit about poor people while riding around in limosines [sic]. Moore does. Watch this trailer, realize that it was filmed during the last presidential election, and tell me if the message isn't: "Michael Moore is a hero to young people and is primarily responsible for inspiring and creating the powerful political Youth movement for change that continues to exist and make a difference today." Watch. Anyone think that's really not what it says? Okay. Now tell me how that's NOT self-serving. Tell me how taking credit for the pretty amazing grassroots "candidate for change" campaign Obama's people have put together (whether you like Obama or not, you gotta see that his people put together one hell of a campaign strategy) by presnting it as something you began 4 years ago isn't embarrassingly self-serving. It's time we moved on from Bush. It's time we moved on from Moore.
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Sep 24, 2008 4:16:35 PM CDT
Darth John The Cockstrong Lad -- oh fuck off....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
...I don't find your ignorance amusing.
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"The problem is not that we shouldn't vote, we should, but where I think the real difference makers are, is in the congress and senate offices, and those elections get far less exposure."
It might interest you to know that Moore's latest book devotes a long chapter to the senate and congressional races that are potential new seats for the Democrats.
"But the problem is that Democrats have just as many SOB's as Repubs."
Debatable, but even if true, those SOB's have different constituencies, so in serving them they break up the entrenched money trail the Republican SOB's have established.
My opinion is that when any group remains in power for an extended length of time, they get arrogant and sloppy, and that is the biggest problem with the Republicans. Put the Democrats in to shake things up, but don't give them full sway for too long. -
I don't care if we disagree but put a little intellectual effort into it:
"She's a religous fanatic" How so? What constitues a "fanatic" to you?
"she doesn't support gay marriage" So what? A lot of people don't. Does this mean she "hates gays" to you?
"she doesn't support a woman's right to choose even in extreme cases" Even if she were President she would not be able to make this a LAW. She even said she never would anyway.
"she preaches family values when she can't even keep her own 16-17 year old daughter from getting knocked up by the local douchebag," THIS ONE TAKES THE CAKE. No matter how much a parent focuses on instilling values in their kids...THE KIDS ARE GONNA FUCK UP. I did. You did. That's doesn't mean teaching family values doesn't work or is a waste of time. At that point you turn to your daughter and say " See, I told you there were consequences for your actions. Now WE will deal with those consequences as a family. I love you and we're here for you." NOT "You are the spawn of Satan, get out of my house". Do you think Christians think that way? Damn I hope you don't have kids.
"she tried to ban books in her local library " TOTAL BULLSHIT. And proven to be so. That's why you don't hear any media following up on it.
Again man, I don't care you don't agree with or even like her. But your cartoonish view of a book burning, religious zealot is a joke.
"Yo step Yo game up!"
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And you can thank him for electing Bush to a second term. Anyone that says that Moore doesn't distort facts in his propaganda films has zero ability to objectively look at the world... thus makes up the vast majority of the audience that he seeks. Sheesh, this is not a point of debate. A Google search on the matter takes a mere seconds to establish this as stone cold fact. Dumasses.
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"2) Google the personal reasons she wants her brother in law fired (the douchebag tasered his kid)"
You left out the part where he was not doing it to torture the kid, but to demonstrate what it felt like to be tasered - at the kid's request. Cops have demonstrated the taser on volunteers. Whether it was a good idea to do it in this case is another question, but leaving out non-trivial facts makes it SEEM like you're trying to mislead.
"3) The abortion issue is never going away people feel strongly about it and 1/2 the world disagrees with you big boy."
I agree that the abortion issue is never going to go away. The Republicans will never act on actually abolishing abortion because they would be throwing away the issue and couldn't campaign on it. (THAT'S the real reason why they DESPISED Bill Clinton so much - he was getting legislation passed that they always SAID they wanted but by pushing it through he was taking the issues away from them.) The Republicans throw out the abortion and gay marriage cards and the fundies come running every time like it's raw meat - you'd think sooner or later they'd realize they were being played for saps...
"4) Help me understand how she's a religious fanatic."
She wants creationism taught in the schools. That's not science, it's religion. She 'inquired' about banning books from her city's library, because she personally (based on her religion) found them 'inappropriate'. -
"She's a religous fanatic - Depends, she's religous, but what constitutes fanatic? And who are we to judge that? And since when do Democrats care about someone's religous beliefs, I thought it shouldn't matter?"
It shouldn't matter, unless an elected official bases public policy on their religious beliefs without regard to accepted science or the desires of their constituents (who may not share those beliefs). -
A "FANATIC" is someone who says things like, "This is God's war....and lets support God's war." Anyone who makes day to day judgments based on on mythology. FANATIC. I don't want them anywhere near the fucking White House.
And as far as the abortion thing goes......of course no President will pass a bill overnight banning abortion. What they will do is select extremely Anti-Choice religious fanatics for the Supreme Court seats opening up. And this will hurt our country for the next what 20--30 years? If McCain is elected he will most certainly croak before his term is over...so guess what-- in steps President Nutbag Palin.
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Well, Roger and ME was supposed to be about his attempt to get an interview that in fact he actually got. He had two interviews with Roger Smith, neither of which are shown in the film. He also fabricated that entire bit about the Nightline debate and the TV news van being stolen by an ex-GMC employee. He went as far as to make up a fake newscast to report it so frankly, I'm sticking to my original critique of his work. I actually used to be a fan of his films until I did some research and discovered just how incredibly deceptive he's been. I mean the man isn't even from Flint and despite being a fat guy in frumpy clothes he is anything but a blue collar worker. Moore has no credibility and even those who agree with everything he says should loathe the way he gets the message out.
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Jesus dude, I want to try and help you out here, and then you go and try to explain away a moron child abuser by saying that the "tazering" of a child wasn't really that bad? So I read the CNN account as well, and keep in mind that all of the comments are "alleged" as they are from the interview with Mike Wooten. But dude, come on, this douchebag has been in trouble for drinking in his squad car, shooting at moose, and now tasering his son. Not to mention he's been married 4 times and seems like one of the world's biggest turds. The point being, you can criticize Palin, without trying to defend this meathead. They can both be wrong. The problem with so many moronic arguments that I see on these boards, is the assumption that if I disagree with one comment, I must dissagree with that person alltogether, their family, and everything about them. That is foolish and myopic.
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...can be found in the Sarlacc Pit Kathy Bates calls a pussy. Massage the uterus walls to see the future!!
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The McCain campaign is effectively running her office now and governing Alaska. And they're none too happy with Todd Palin dodging the law by evading the subpoena.
This is not partisan sniping, just the truth. That's all I deal in, my friends. -
She said "Unfortunately, that is the road that America may find itself on." Let's be accurate.
For the record, I think she's wrong. I don't care how bad it gets-it ain't gonna get THAT bad.
Hillary also said we need some "Great Depression era" programs in place to handle this. Yeah, that's the ticket. Let the worlds greatest bureaucracy which caused this deal with it, right?
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Sep 24, 2008 4:25:22 PM CDT
yeah...I despise Palin...but I won't touch the Wooten thing...
by dannyglovers_dickblood
Fuck that. The dude deserved to be fired and beaten with clubs. Redneck motherfucker.
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trolls should stay under the bridge
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Anyone making the effort to defend Sarah Palin is a fucking retard. Thats right. Find a more worthwhile cause.
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That was reported in an otherwise friendly profile of him in Vanity Fair two years ago. And like I said, that's fine. But if you ride around exclusively in limousines, it is intellectually dishonest (and insulting) to paint yourself as a champion of the common man.
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is a christian fascist nujob. There I said it, and it's true. No difference between opposing this and opposing interracial marriage, except they have an outdated fairytale as an excuse. Go fuck yourself Douches.
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but he was appropriately reprimanded and disciplined.
I mean, there are NYPD officers still on the force who have done ungodly things to people. Think broomsticks and assholes, you get the idea.
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"That groan you heard had nothing to do with the teenage kid coming back to life-- it was a collective orgasm the audience experienced without fully understanding why. You see at that very moment Mr. Steven Spielberg flipped past an episode of Even Stevens and said to his wife, "You see that kid? The little annoying one with a perm? I'm gonna make that little bastard a star." We all felt it that night in the theater. We all knew the art of cinema had suddenly cried out in anguish like a dying star. "
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It is a big party in an abandoned warehouse.
Close to 100 guys are standing around drinking from rows upon rows of beer kegs.
The music is loud and the recipe seems spot-on for a wild time.
But once the guys start mingling and talking they realize that nobody really knows each other.
Some are even from a few towns over.
Also the absence of women at this party throws up another red flag, as nobody claims to be gay.
The confusion gives way to sheer terror as the lights are cut and the music stops.
All of the sudden the emergency lights kick on and the warehouse is flooded with flashes of red.
It only takes a second for the first row of the crowd to hear the menacing giggling. Sort of like Chip and Dale, but without the playful banter.
WHOOOSH!
Two streaks of flying Warwick Davis grab three guys and start dragging them back as they flail and scream.
The other guys look on in horror as the victims are being ripped of their clothes and tiny hands are grabbing them in a way that brings back painful flashes of childhoods in a bathroom with a Playboy magazine.
They are being fellated by tiny hot dog fingers and drug towards two large curtians.
All of the sudden the curtians are whipped back, loops screeching on their rods in futil protest.
The lights come on and the mammoth views of The Bates' outer lips (otherwise known as piss fenders) have torn the curtians away and revealed the horror of twisted flesh and serated teeth.
The deafening roar is following by Motley Crue's Wild Side kicking on and being cranked to full volume.
The screams of many, many frightened males are are interupted by giggling...
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That's poetry, man.
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Yeah all that shits gotta stop. Cops should be instantly fucking fired with and lose their pensions for shit like that. Fuck them all.
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Today's slackers prefer 90 second YouTube clips, Mike.
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Cause he opposes Gay Marriage.
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Sep 24, 2008 4:32:39 PM CDT
I THINK YOU COCers SHOULD PROPOSE THE BAILOUT SOLUTION
by bringingsexyback
Get to work guys!
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Keep fightng the good fight my Native American, Moose lovin' brother. What is the plural of Moose? Mooses? Meese? Edwin?
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Have fun slurping the blood stained sauerkraut from the shit hole of Kathy Bates motherfuckers!!
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Don't be a fucking smart ass. You know what he means........any who opposes it out of hatred toward gays.....Barrack opposes it because he doesn't want to be coined THE CHAMPION OF THE FAGS by Karl Rove. Fuck off.
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and see y'all later. Don't forget to watch Bush and his mushroom cloud speech tonight.
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Yeah I know, I should have been more clear . I fucking hate that. However, I believe that the only reason he and other Dems don't come out and support gay marriage is because they know they will never get elected in this country if they do and they have to win. So yeah he can't say it out loud but I think he believes it deep down. Or at least more than McCain and Palin do. I'm not stupid enough to believe he's going to do a 180 as soon as he gets elected or anything, but it is'nt impossible.
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You don't get off that easy! You can't tell me that everyone who opposes gay marriage (even if they support civil unions) is automatically some hatefull bitch! Oh except our guy Obama (who I support by the way you mindless plebe) it's not that he doesn't support gay marriage, he just doesn't want to lose votes. Really, really? I'll be honest, I respect Obama a lot, and I would respect his decision to not support gay marriage if that is his personal conviction. But I would not respect it if he actually believes in gay marriage, but won't support it in order to get elected. That shit is wack! Now go run along to your torture porn and your child rape fantasies. I used to think you were funny, but your shit is beyond incendiary, its misogynistic to the point of criminal!
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"This is still a cartoonish view in your opinion?" Yes, because that is inaccurate.
Let me preface this by saying...I want the truth first. I'm not trying to argue MY political opinions with YOURS. True is true and my point is: this a distortion
"But the reference there is a repeat of Abraham Lincoln’s words when he said — first, he suggested never presume to know what God’s will is, and I would never presume to know God’s will or to speak God’s words." Sound like a religious fire breathing war monger to you? Maybe it does. Not to me.
And explain to me "Anti-Choice religious fanatics for the Supreme Court seats opening up"
Elaborate on that could you? Do you mean Roe v Wade? Where, if overturned the choice would RETURN TO THE STATES? Sounds like 'choice'to me...as opposed to THE LAW OF THE LAND which it is now.
Actually, California has it written in their state constitution that abortion is a CHOICE.
Funny how WE THE FUCKING PEOPLE can come to these decisions ourselves eh?
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Send Kurt to wall strett - guns blazin' using his best Snake Plissken/Little China sneer/smirk. Line up every fancy pants, spatz and monocle wearing type he can find, and scare the 700 billion dollar shit out of them. They will raid their offshore bank accounts faster than a gangbang queen going for the record.
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I'm not kidding, it's time these elitist, greedy, swindling, cheat-all exec mutha-fuckas learn their lesson, and learn it good. Interestingly you see both Repubs and Dems calling for more accountability. Yet you also see both Repubs and Dems saying "no, this is the only way." Wanna guess what the difference is between these guys? The politicians who dream of one day leaving politics and going straight into the corporate world (both Dem and Repub alike) want to make sure the system is in place for their little golden parachute plan as well. They want their $85 million for screwing things up and robbing the peeps of their hard earned savings.
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i think you've gone to bed but anyway. I find that interesting and i was just talking about it last night with reference to our politics. On the one hand you want a leader who will fight the good fight, go into bat for all your issues, but on the other hand they have to get ELECTED first. for example i am no fan of weed, but it is very clear that it has really positive effects on people with parkinson's. but if say obama tryed to have it leagalised he would be fucked. You need to pick your battles, and i do feel it is possible for someone to go against something they believe in and still be a good and honorable person, because their are a huge number of issues on the table and a leader needs to build a policy PACKAGE that makes the election winnable. rarely ever will we agree with everything the person stands for, we vote for the person whose package is the best. hmm maybe could have said that non freudian but anyway.
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100% correct. And I guarantee that any 'short term' pain the execs are made to feel, will be alleviated once the crisis is over. This is all a game to these folks. They feel no real distress - at least not monetarily. Oh, maybe Muffy will get some stares at the Tea because the Biffer caused a minor ruckus with his bank collapsing, but all in all, it is no big deal.
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I think that in this election you have the best possible negitive out come you have had in a while (by which i mean both candidates are pretty good, the bad candidate is better than the bad candidate in pervious elections)but if the pres carks it, i think it is clear that biden is better than palin. One thing for dems to note. What does the fact that repubs love palin (who lets face it is ultra conservative) tell you about your choices. to me it says that repubs hate mcain. they see him as too left and over the moon at the prospest that he might win, cark it and then they get someone they actually like. this says to me that if you are in the left, the political spectrum has moved your way and if mcain wins, well keep in mind that republicans don't really like himalso I've been thinking about experience and it is true that on paper obama is not massively more experienced than palin, but then it occurred to me, what does a president do? they build consensus they direct the country. I think that going through the primaries that the candidates have just gone through, in of itself prepares them for the presidency. Obama beat the clinton machine. a month ago palin didn't know what a vp did.
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Screw integrity, he wants to win.
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So I guess we can add racist lump of shit along with the rest of the reasons you are an ignorant fuck than? Please do the world a favor and promptly go kill yourself along with your useless genetic code you silly shithead. Lol, oh and nice one on talking shit about dickblood after he's already gone home for the day you fucking cowardly twat.
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I havn't seen that happen before but man, that guy had it coming. I am laughing my ass off right now. Oh well, see you guys later, i'm off like a bucket of prawns on a hot day. have a good one.
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I mean how BIG a fool must Michael Moore feel now ?
What with Bush's record approval ratings, unprecedented boom times, peace stability and respect worldwide and John McCain scrambling to get Endorsed by President Bush every day seeking photo op after photo op with the guy with the Golden touch.
BOY, he's got some nerve to show his face after all those Loyal Bushies were proved so utterly correct.
BTW Good safety tip for you all. If you are ever cornered by a seemingly ferocious attacking Pitbull that appears to be wearing Lipstick, simply ask it a few questions. It will yelp SEXIST! then scurry off to hide with it's tail between it's legs. -
Go fuck yourself. You know just as well as everyone here that he would lose immediately if he said that. It's not his fault that the country is full of bigoted assholes who go crazy at the thought of doing the right thing. At least we know he believes that every American is actually equal, unlike McCain. Lincoln could'nt come out and say that he wanted slavery abolished either but I guess he had no integrity either right?
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Nevermind, he got banned already.
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"No difference between opposing this and opposing interracial marriage" ...Yes there is. Interacial marriage was still man and woman.
"Anyone who opposes gay marriage is a christian fascist nutjob"...What about the people who are not Christian (like me)and oppose it for a very different, non-religious reason?
Please...enlighten me with more of your intolerant,unuanced hate speech.
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...to bring the angry Kos kids out of the woodwork.
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but holy shit, that Moore trailer was a load of crap. So, He takes credit for birthing a whole new generation of politicized Americans, but neglects to mention that his clownish tactics actually failed? Hmm.
Yes, Michael Moore, the last 8 years have politicized America, and a whole new generation has come of age in that time, but you were a spectator, not the generator of culture. At best, you were one of the most noticeable pundits, not the Grand Poobah of the clash of political ideology. What a self- aggrandizing fool. -
Obama has a taken a few positions that appear to be politically motivated, but Obama still has 100X the integrity that John McCain does. He has flip-flopped on the majority of opinions he held a decade ago and has outright lied numerous times in this campaign. Obama is a boy scout compared to McCain.
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So you're an expat, maybe you're politically interested, maybe even registered to vote, maybe even a supporter of one of the campaigns… and you can't see the film. You can't even download the torrent. Well, I know my way around these kinda obstacles, but do others too?
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"Yes there is. Interacial marriage was still man and woman." No there is'nt. In both cases you have idiots denying two people, who love each other, the same rights that everyone else has for bullshit reasons.
"What about the people who are not Christian (like me)and oppose it for a very different, non-religious reason?" You mean bigots? The reason I say that is because there is no possible reason you could find something wrong with it unless you have something against gays in general and do not believe them to be equal to you. If you do have one I would really like to hear it though.
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I forgot how to do the paragraph break. I'm not the first and I probably won't be the last to say this, but why the fuck is'nt there an edit function on here?
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Sure Moore is self-aggrandizing, arrogant bullshitter, sometimes even a liar, plus etc. pp. and a whatnot. But in times when there's a self-aggrandizing, arrogant, lying bullshitter doing time in the White House, you need a good mirror to get certain things heard. That's why I like Moore. From a purely rational perspective, Moore isn't worth much of course. But why should that be relevant in the Bush years?
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I guess I just don't see the merit in lowering your standards because everyone else has. Imagine if Moore was actually someone that everyone could respect. Whatever good message he might have is drowned out by bullshit.
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about the gay marriage thing. It boils down to bigotry. Even the religious argument still boils down to that, because ultimately it's a choice. Jesus never said anything one way or the other on gay marriage, and there have been significant changes made to religious doctrine before. Nothing is written in stone. (except the ten commandments, I guess, if you believe in that stuff, and again, even there, no mention of gay marriage)
It's a perfectly rational question to ask someone their specific reason for resisting it, or to explain in what way their own rights would be diminished by allowing other American adult citizens the right to marry. I don't see any married couples annulling their marriages in protest of gay marriage in states or countries where it's legal. Maybe they should, maybe then the voices of protest might have some respectable volume.
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It doesn't matter that some of what Moore says is accurate, nor that the Bush years have been horrendous. That doesn't excuse his tactics. I am saddened to see G100's post, according to him, if you find Bush's policies horrendous, then you must love and support Moore, cause he was right! The fallacy in that argument is so astoundingly bad, I shudder. Look, the debate should not be my team vs. their team, isn't that what got us into so many messes already. We start playing my team vs. their team, and we then make horrible choices, simply because..."well, that guy is on my team, and that other guy is on their team, so I's gots ta vote for my team, no matter what!"BLEACHHH!!!
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hilarious screen name, btw.
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It doesn't take much to look good next to the Republicans. My point is without those goons as a comparison, Obama comes off as still pretty conservative. He's better, but he's not "change".
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Moore was great in the 90s, I loved TV Nation. But the Bush presidency made him angry (who can blame him?), and it has made him less entertaining.
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Sep 24, 2008 6:24:21 PM CDT
Personally, I'm for gay marriage, and interracial marriage
by samsquanch
but against inter-class marriage. I don't care if you're gay, straight, different races, different ages, or even if you speak the same language. All I care about is how much money you both make. If there's a discrepancy in your annual incomes of 50,000 or more, sorry, it's unethical, and the State should have the authority to deem your union illegal. It's for your own good, and protects one of the sanctified fundamental pillars of marriage- the joint bank-account. Obviously, if you're unemployed, marriage is out of the question, even if you're both unemployed. We wouldn't want to actually encourage unemployment, now would we? What kind of a society would we have then? Marriage should be a bulwark of decent society against the unemployed agenda. And if you're homeless, well, you should just be neutered and be done with it. I think everyone should be against inter-class marriage. If you're not, or if you don't see anything wrong with it, then what, do you hate money or something?
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Cool cutting edge title. 15 years ago
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You better be careful though. You would'nt want the Poor Mafia to come down here and try to silence you. Sick scumbags, trying to indoctrinate our children. It's not like we don't respect them, they just don't deserve the same rights as us. What's so wrong with that? It's just so happens to be my opinion. Show me where it says in the constitution that they can get married and go around making out right in front of me. And we're supposed to be the intolerant ones? Haa....haa.............ha.
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Some might say that takes ASTOUNDING arrogance.
If I wanted to say you MUST love and support moore, guess what ? I would have fucking said it thanks.
For the record. Yep, he's an Ego monster and he's done far more harm than good at times.
BUT whatever hatred some may feel about the man himself I didn't see many others calling out Bush when he was still popular and I can seperate the man from the message without too much of a strain. Because if you can filter out the Storm of Bullshit from the Bush and FOX & friends propaganda machine then you can do it for Moore.
And his message, despite it being shit on by Republicans for years, isn't completely unremitting propaganda. It manages to put some valuable facts out there in amongst the polemic.
Samsquanch is right though. If he was a more charming or likeable guy like say Stewart or Colbert, (who have far more clout than Moore does whatever he may think or wish) then his Docus would have been far more effective and the good message that he might have far less easily hammered.
I would also point out that placing all the blame for the last 2 Elections at his feet is a BIT of a stretch, but if he does insist in trying to be the generator of culture he has to accept the blame that comes with that.
Fact is Bush has been a disaster and if the Republicans didn't thinks so Bush would be side by side with McCain every step of the way and not Mr Unmentionable.
And you certainly don't need to like Moore to dislike Bush (obviously) but he has been one of the most noticable critics of Bush for years. And that isn't spin that's fact.
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And so I bring to you something everyone needs to see - Sarah Palin at the Assembly of God church, the subject of a prayer by Rev. Muthee (witch-hunter) to send her to the Governor's mansion and to protect her from "the spirit of witchcraft."
Sarah's appearance begins at 7:00.
Read the article too, people.
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Many of the so-called lies have been bullshit themselves. He has definitely been misleading on a few occasions in order to make for better video, but that does not mean you can ignore the other 98% of his work that is accurate
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without the spaces.
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I do agree with your point. I wish his two different blocks of TV Nation shows would be released on DVD. That was some funny shit at times.
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What nonreligious reason could you have for opposing gay marriage
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Expect to hear this raised again and again and again from now on.
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Youre an adult? Gobsmacked!
Oh and everyone else, if you support Obama then just ignore Michael Moore and pray he mostly stays out of the press until after the election. The guy helped you lose last time and he wont help this time. -
Living in Australia I don't know of anyone who's been prosecuted for downloading movies "illegally". I don't even know if there are any laws to prosecute people in Australia, and when I ask no one else seems to know what the exact situation is either.
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I'd bet my collected movie-watching experience that he's going to come back with Bill O' Reilly's tired horseshit. You know, how if gays can get married then what's to stop someone from marrying a piece of fruit or their Dog? How do these fuckheads live with themselves?
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Although, peaches do look pretty nice from a certain angle...
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how much do you want to bet he advises people to go shopping?
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I could go for a peach right now actually.
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I'm from oz as well and i'm pretty sure it's illigal. From memory i think some people got rolled during the whole kaza thing or whatever that was called. I think they hardly prosecute anyone but technically they can. actually when i think about it i think that there are treaties we have with states over this stuff, so our laws are pretty similar. anyway technically illegal, in reality hardly anyone gets prosecuted.
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I seem to remember back in April something about police computers being used to download and store illegally obtained movies, and the choice was do we prosecute all these police officers and stuff up our police force, or let it slide and hence set a precedent.
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i don't remember that one. I come from queensland, where police corruption is standard.
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And I can't *stand* Michael Moore. This fucking opportunistic, megalomaniacal douchebag has done way more harm to the progressive movement than he has done good for it.That stated, BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE was a pretty spectacular doc (mostly because Moore seemed to be actually struggling with the complex issue of gun control rather than just regurgitating poorly thought out, one-sided drivel--e.g., FAHRENHEIT 9/11). Make no mistake: Moore is extremely talented and skilled at what he does, but I've grown to loathe him over the years for his over the top stunts, self-indulgence and factual inaccuracies. And I hate that naive conservatives equate progressives as a whole with Moore's sorry ass. This newest, "free" doc of his looks like an even more transparent than usual commercial for Moore's huge, repellent ego. What a prick this guy is (again, a talented prick--but a prick nonetheless). And I sincerely doubt that he's producing more liberal votes than he is conservative ones. In fact, Moore is only stoking the (so far, even with the ridiculous Mrs. Failin) blessedly lackluster conservative base's fire. Yeah, thanks for trying to help us lose another Presidential election, Mikey. Thing is, like Rush Limbaugh, this sloppy fuck could really give a shit less about who wins or loses politically as long as he remains in the limelight. Prick.
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http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23495134-5006787,00.html
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its like an alcoholics anonymous meeting
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soft! we have the best corruption by far. Our police commissioner went to jail, our premier was on trial. beat that! ha! (i'll check it out though, you guys have a lot of catching up to do)
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'too many police breaking the law to risk prosecuting them' the catching up has begun.
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Nothing like some Moore hate to get the ugly americans in a froth. Sayyy hows that helping the taxpayer out going Republicans? Right now its looking like we will be paying more taxes to bail out the Bush buddys on Wall Street. Oh your house got forclosed? Tough luck. Cant pay your medical bills or pills to keep you alive due to the bad economy? Eat a D**K! Just keep paying that tax that COULD go into health care and education or saving your home but just helping some CEO keep his Lexus. But hey Michael Moore is a fat Lib. Right? I guess Moores movies about keeping american jobs in America ( Rogder and me, The Big one ) Or being lied to into war ( Fahrenheit 9/11 ), or how people use fear to control us ( Bowling ), or hard working Americans who cannot get proper health care ( Sicko ) are just the work of some anti-american slob who does not care about americans? Right?
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In a world exclusive The NATIONAL ENQUIRER names GOP VP Candidate Sarah Palin's secret lover!
No less than three members of the man’s family including one by sworn affidavit have claimed that Sarah Palin engaged in an extramarital affair with husband Todd’s former business partner, Brad Hanson.
These sources have named Hanson as Palin’s secret love, and say their affair nearly wrecked both their marriages.
Hanson owned a snowmobile dealership with Palin’s husband Todd, who immediately dissolved the partnership after he heard stories about the affair, which occurred around 1996, according to the sources. At the time, Palin was mayor of Wasilla.
Palin has vehemently denied cheating on her husband, and Hanson insisted to The NATIONAL ENQUIRER that he was never romantically involved with the 44-year-old Republican vice presidential candidate.
However, Hanson family insider, Jim Burdett, has gone on the record and passed a rigorous polygraph test, revealing details of the affair to The NATIONAL ENQUIRER in a world exclusive interview.
Burdett is a former brother-in-law of Hanson’s estranged wife Carolyn's brother, Craig Batton, and still speaks with many family members.
“I’ve known about Brad having had an affair for a long time, but it wasn’t until just recently that I learned his affair was with Sarah Palin,” Burdett told The NATIONAL ENQUIRER.
“Sarah was elected mayor of Wasilla, Brad became a city council member in the nearby town of Palmer, and they started an affair.
“Todd found out about the affair and was so mad he broke up their partnership at the snowmobile dealership,” Burdett claimed.
Another source, who preferred to remain anonymous for fear of repercussions, provided The NATIONAL ENQUIRER with a sworn affidavit attesting to the Palin-Hanson story.
“Todd was away on business a lot and Sarah felt lonely. Brad was a good listener, and Sarah talked to him at length. Eventually, she realized she was falling in love with him,” one insider divulged.
“When Todd got back from one of his trips, Sarah told him that she had begun to have feelings for Brad.”
For the full story and exclusive details of the shocking allegations of Sarah Palin’s affair pick up the latest issue of the NATIONAL ENQUIRER! -
Sep 24, 2008 8:54:40 PM CDT
Le Vicious Fishus, I have a feeling many liberals feel that way
by samsquanch
I'm a conservative, but I really enjoyed Roger & Me. I thought it was a timely and necessary, but like the author who has only one great book in him, I think Moore peaked too young. Also, I think he really enjoyed the success and notoriety, and gradually that motivation eclipsed whatever values or beliefs he held. I think he still believes he's helping, but that's generous on my part. Deep down, I think even he knows he's fucking the limelight.
Too bad, I'm all for reasonable, informed debate, I think it's how we all refine our positions, and Moore could have been a worthy adversary. Instead, he's mutated into just another partisan celebrity who's particular forte is propaganda, rather than information. I feel sorry for smart Liberals like yourself. -
That's beneath us, isn't it? There's so much legitimate dirt on her, we shouldn't muddy the waters.
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it reminds me of something we say in australia. our country was founded a vote, not a war. the greatness of america (and australia) lies in the fact that your revolutions occur at the ballot box. soldiers in western democracies fight for a system not a government. no american solider refused to fight for the us becasue he voted against fdr. with all the financial dramas that are occurring now remember: one aspect of why your economy dominates is your stability. trust me, you pay a lower rate of interest when you have continuity of government since 1776. obviously this promotes investment which is why proportional to population, you guys dominate innovation (beaten only by smaller countries that share your values. never forget that we invented the stump-jump plow)
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getting drunk, signing off
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It might be beneath a lot of people, but not me. I'm as low as you can get. And proud of it!!
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How much money is 700 billion? Let me put it into perspective. If you were to divide that pie amongst all the men and women in the United States of America above the age of 18 they would each receive $300, 000 dollars each, from the lowliest bus boy in Manhattan to the highest paid celebrity in Hollywood. Do you think that might stimulate the economy?
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Michael Douglas Fields Questions About 'Wall Street'
Wednesday, September 24, 2008
AP
Sept. 24: United Nations Messenger of Peace and actor Michael Douglas participates in a panel discussion on the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty.
UNITED NATIONS — Michael Douglas had to field questions Wednesday about the financial turmoil shaking world markets from reporters recalling his role in the 1987 film "Wall Street."
The actor sought to focus on the subject of Wednesday's news conference — urging the United States and eight other holdout nations to ratify a nuclear test ban treaty.
Douglas won an Academy Award for portraying the rapacious banker Gordon Gekko, who popularized the phrase "greed is good" in the movie.
After world leaders here condemned the "boundless greed" of world markets, Douglas was asked to compare nuclear Armageddon with the "financial Armageddon on Wall Street."
But the likening to Gekko did not end there, with a reporter asking: "Are you saying Gordon that greed is not good?"
"I'm not saying that," Douglas replied. "And my name is not Gordon. He's a character I played 20 years ago."
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Thanks for asking. I'm just using plain old logic here...For the record: I don't believe the gay marriage question should EVER be debated in religious terms.
ODO19: Gay couples DO have the same rights as everyone else: The right to marry someone of the opposite sex. I know, I know...they wouldn't do that because they are gay but the fact remains: We ALL have the SAME rights...no one is being DENIED rights that others have. Surely you can see that on a logical level.
Again I feel the need to stress something: I have no problem with gays AT ALL. I worked for many years in West Hollywood CA with some of the most over the top 'Will & Grace' type gay men you could ever meet. Some of the best people I've ever known. Yeah, yeah..."some of my best friends are gay". I know how it sounds but I just need to clear the air and pre-empt (sp?) the 'bigot/homophobe' slur up front.
I would fight to the death if someone were to attempt to prevent them to love whomever and however they choose...That being said, it is something MUCH DIFFERENT to change the definition of marriage to suit a VERY small portion of society.
This country is very accepting of gays. This is not about gay people as it is about "don't fuck with the definition of MARRIAGE please...it ain't broke". Gay people make up what...LESS than 2% of the population and yet DEMAND that the majority 'eat shit' and change it for them? The narcisism is staggering.
HST666: My non religious reason concerns kids. I had to change my view on this topic when heard this argument: Many gay couple adopt kids. Fine. Good people. Loving homes. I get that. But the basic human right of each human being to enter the world with a mother and father rather than a same sex couple. Moms have unique gifts to offer kids as do Dads. GRANTED: there are shitty parents out there where kids WOULD be better off with a more caring same sex couple but...'all things being equal' as they say.
It's not perfect but it has served us well for centuries. I offer the argument modestly.
I've learned one thing: Compassion is wonderful but policy and macro issues cannot be decided SOLELY on that.Temper it always with logic. Good people want to extend all things to all people but the'whole' must be considered also. -
i'm drunk but if there are 300mil people in the us (there are more) then it works out as $2333 per person. i'm not going to look into the ratio of adults to kids but it is clear you are over reacting.
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i'm guessing you accidentally put an extra two zeros on the real figure.
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Sep 24, 2008 9:44:11 PM CDT
Just watched and I'm filling out my absentee ballot right now
by joshtownsend
I was gonna vote Libertarian but after watching Moore's movie I voted for the old combat vet and the hot lady.
Fact is washed up musicians and Raman noodle eating, tighty whity wearing kids er...collage students. Yeah those idiots really lived a full life. It's not like he was in a ghetto talking to real people. Like 90% of polled blacks want to vote for Barack. Man talk about Racist. Half of white folk would vote for a black guy. It's sad that this country can't get past skin color.
Less government is what we need. If taxes get raised on the rich, lot's of people get fired that's a fact. At least your hear McCain say the words "TAX PAYERS" money. That's what it is our money. Me I'd rather 'em let me decide to how to spend my money and I'm fuckin starving.
Anyway AICN is responsible for one McCain vote for bringing this update. Nothing against the site (love it) but I happened to get my ballot today in the mail.
Oh yeah why is it only US and Canada can watch this (other than so he can sell it over seas). It's not like Canadians can vote here.
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Looks like the chickens are coming home to roost because true or not THAT kind of story will go get the Enquirer HUGE interest and Sales now that Palin is SUCH a Celebrity.
It IS clearly unfortunate and unfair though, because as we all know if there was a Sex Scandal with a high profile Democrat involving allegations from the Enquirer (let's call this hypothetical character "Jon Edwoods") The Republicans would of course take the high road and ignore such scurrilous rumour mongering lest they themselves have to deal with the consequences down the road.
Yeah, that sounds about right.
And God knows it's not as if Palin would dare intrude into middle America by telling people how to live their lives or fall into that bear-trap of pious sanctimony and Religious scorn for anyone who disagreed with her. Would she ?
Lastly it's a good thing she has heaped all the blame for her inexperience and her Daughters preganancy on the Media while telling every Network that she didn't care what they thought. (even though some foolishly thought such tactics would come back to haunt her.)
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At about 1:40 into the trailer...you're not voting Bush out of office. There's this little thing called a term limit.
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are from gay guys. And if I were a lesbian, I'd be all over Rachel Maddow. Yum!
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1) oversimplified 2) since you seem like a wikipedia sort of fellow, check it out, i guarantee, i promise you, that you will find that since lbj (who escalated the vietnam war) republican consistently have increased the size of your government and democrats have reduced or stabalised it. for example, let compare lbj to nixon, carter to regan, (or carter to nixon) regan/bush to clinton, and clinton to bush. go ahead wiki it. (and i don't really think either of your current candidates outshines the other, i don't care, i'm just talking reserchable facts)
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Hot off the presses baby!
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Sep 24, 2008 10:01:29 PM CDT
G100 - SARAH PALIN'S INTERVIEW TODAY WITH KATIE COURIC
by bringingsexyback
Yeah, you really want her a heartbeat away? Seriously?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/24/eveningnews/main4476173.shtml
"Couric: I'm just going to ask you one more time - not to belabor the point. Specific examples in his 26 years of pushing for more regulation.
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Just talking out there.
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But it's been in complete agreement with Barack Obama in their and the rest of the publics anger at TAX PAYERS having to Bail out some of the most repugnant of those rich people who HAVE just got an awful lot of folk fired for their greed and incompetence while landing massive bonuses and Golden Parachutes.
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*Shudder*
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i really need to tap out cause alcohol doesn't go with this stuff. i certainly wouldn't be painting a rosey piture and saying to some dude working his ass off and paying tax 'you got a good deal today' but we are talking about the lesser of two evils, and yes it is good for the average american that these guys got bailed out. it really is because the alternative is that they foreclose on the 40% of americans that have home loans through these guys. what is occuring now is the devil in our system. it aint good but it is better than the alternative. plus, expect people to go to jail. the thing i have a problem with is false representation. if it is risky say it is, if it isn't say it isn't. it it illegal to say it isn't when it is (part of our current problem) expect jail time (but not enough)
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Iowa Police Say Drunk Driver Tried to Bribe Officer With Sandwiches
Monday, September 01, 2008
IOWA CITY, Iowa — Iowa City police say a man who was driving drunk tried to bribe a police officer — with a sandwich.
Police say 25-year-old Mark Booth of Iowa City, was charged with drunken driving early Sunday morning.
Police say he was pulled over after an officer saw him driving with his headlights off.
Police say that Booth was riding with a police officer in a squad car when he offered the officer free sub sandwiches if he could go home.
The officer declined.
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Cuz he's a genius. So is Lindsey Lohan, she's wicked smart about politics.
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that the top cop in the state goes to jail. and the governor gets off on a technicality (you need a unanimous decision and one of the members of the jurory is a member of his party so the decision is 11-1) that happened here when i was a young fella (the other party has been in power for 20 years now and it is equally fucked)
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Frankly NOBODY knows what this Bailout and Bill is going to look like, much less understand the intricacies of, until it is signed.(if even then)
It's not going to be a Blank Check now that's for sure, but whether it has enough protection for Taxpayers and strong enough Independent Oversight as well as money going to stop foreclosures and help with those Mortgage Payers in trouble, we just don't know. Yet.
Congress has been totally inundated with angry calls from Taxpayers so they are in no mood to give a man like Paulson everything he wants. Specially since they have already bailed him out again and again and he may not have been entirely honest about how bad things were with them.
As for the alternative... Again it's all hypothetical but a CRASH of frightening proportions wasn't all scaremongering clearly. But the Markets calmed down today mainly on the strength of Warren Buffett shoving 5 Billion into Goldman Sachs. Buffett himself believes there WILL be some kind of bailout and it will have an effect.
Lets also remember this has been called "cash for trash". It's to buy up the most poisonous of the Bad Debt from out of the system and THERE lies one of the biggest problems.
Where is it ? Who gets what proportion of debt bought off for how much ?
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fuck it getting drunk, typed something and lost it. an economy wants stability. you benifit form it. it is fucked that you are bailing out millionares and still working your ass off but it is good for you. in the same way that it is good for rich people to provide adequate health care and schools. it is not allways intuitive. whatever, losing track of my own statements.
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let me put it this way. you went to the bank and borrowed some money on good faith. you were totally unaware of the silly bugger shit that the bank was doing in the back ground. now, because of the silly bugger shit the bank goes under. it's creditors come after it. it has assests though. your house is one of those assets cause you owe money on it. in your contract (in every contract) the bank has the right to forclose. it is bankrupt so it has to. you lose your house. this is, no joke where america is right now. by bailing out the banks the govt has prevented this last stage which was deffinatly going to occur. and we are talking about 40% of the home loans in the us. it is called 'to big to fail'. the banks knew that no govt could accept 40% of americans loosing their homes. and you guys talk about a new great depression. i guarentee there won't be one. the bail out is the reason. as an average, poor american the bail out is good for you (still fucked) because to you would rather pay off these fuckheads then have a depression and paying them off prevents it. it is the devil in our system.
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If Sarah Palin or anyone else for that matter "dare intrude into middle America by telling people how to live their lives or fall into that bear-trap of pious sanctimony" ...i suggest you don't listen.
Simple eh? Problem solved.
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Joe Biden just told a handicapped man (a friend no less) in a wheel chair at a rally to "stand up so everybody can see you".
He of course corrected himself with some kind of self depricating humor but jeez...let's not pretend your that much better off with him at the wheel. Just saying.
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everyone feels the need to be wacko. capitalism is good. the last thing the worker wants is to drive capatial overseas. fucking over the worker is bad for big business. bill gates, warenen buffet (number one and two on the rich list) are glad that the average man is now more educated and richer. (the wealthier a person is the more microsoft products he buys) there is a balance and that works for everyone. i remain centre left, but i see here an argument between borderline communists and borderline fascists. the reality is that there are a lot of options between hilter and stalin.
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biden has made some pretty crazy gaffs. he has become a bit embarrassment actually. obama is telling him to keep a low profile. but seriously, let compare him to palin.
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Dude.
The day a video surfaces of a witch-hunting pastor from Africa laying hands on Joe Biden and praying for Jesus to send him to the White House and to protect him from witchcraft ... is the day we compare notes on VP nominees.
Until then, Palin stands as the most loony pick in American history.
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obama and mcain (i lean toward obama but they are pretty equal) there is a world between biden and palain.
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Vet your VP. Even just a little.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj-on3kfWuE&feature=related
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Times Online by Hannah Strange
Palin linked electoral success to prayer of Kenyan witchhunter
The pastor whose prayer Sarah Palin says helped her to become governor of Alaska founded his ministry with a witchhunt against a Kenyan woman who he accused of causing car accidents through demonic spells.
At a speech at the Wasilla Assembly of God on June 8 this year, Mrs Palin described how Thomas Muthee had laid his hands on her when he visited the church as a guest preacher in late 2005, prior to her successful gubernatorial bid.
In video footage of the speech, she is seen saying: “As I was mayor and Pastor Muthee was here and he was praying over me, and you know how he speaks and he’s so bold. And he was praying “Lord make a way, Lord make a way.”
“And I’m thinking, this guy’s really bold, he doesn’t even know what I’m going to do, he doesn’t know what my plans are. And he’s praying not “oh Lord if it be your will may she become governor,” no, he just prayed for it. He said “Lord make a way and let her do this next step. And that’s exactly what happened.”
She then adds: “So, again, very very powerful, coming from this church,” before the presiding pastor comments on the “prophetic power” of the event.
An African evangelist, Pastor Muthee has given guest sermons at the Wasilla Assembly of God on at least 10 occasions in his role as the founder of the Word of Faith Church, also known as the Prayer Cave.
Pastor Muthee founded the Prayer Cave in 1989 in Kiambu, Kenya after “God spoke” to him and his late wife Margaret and called him to the country, according to the church’s website.
The pastor speaks of his offensive against a demonic presence in the town in a trailer for the evangelical video “Transformations”, made by Sentinel Group, a Christian research and information agency.
“We prayed, we fasted, the Lord showed us a spirit of witchcraft resting over the place,” Pastor Muthee says.
After the spirit was broken, the crime rate dropped to almost zero and there was “explosive church growth” while almost every bar in the town closed down, the video says.
The full Transformations video featuring Pastor Muthee’s story has recently been removed from YouTube but the rest of the story is detailed in a 1999 article in the Christian Science Monitor, as well as on numerous evangelical websites.
According to the Christian Science Monitor, six months of fervent prayer and research identified the source of the witchcraft as a local woman called Mama Jane, who ran a “divination” centre called the Emmanuel Clinic.
Her alleged involvement in fortune-telling and the fact that she lived near the site of a number of fatal car accidents led Pastor Muthee to publicly declare her a witch responsible for the town’s ills, and order her to offer her up her soul for salvation or leave Kiambu.
Says the Monitor, “Muthee held a crusade that “brought about 200 people to Christ”.” They set up round-the-clock prayer intercession in the basement of a grocery store and eventually, says the pastor “the demonic influence – the ‘principality’ over Kiambu –was broken”, and Mama Jane fled the town.
According to accounts of the witchhunt circulated on evangelical websites such as Prayer Links Ministries, after Pastor Muthee declared Mama Jane a witch, the townspeople became suspicious and began to turn on her, demanding that she be stoned. Public outrage eventually led the police to raid her home, where they fired gunshots, killing a pet python which they believed to be a demon.
After Mama Jane was questioned by police – and released – she decided it was time to leave town, the account says.
Pastor Muthee has frequently referred to this witchhunt in his sermons as an example of the power of “spiritual warfare”. In October 2005, he delivered ten sermons at the Wasilla Assembly of God, the audio of which was available on the church’s website until it was removed around the time Mrs Palin’s candidacy was announced. The blog Irregular Times has listings and screen grabs of the sermons.
It was during that these sermons that Mrs Palin, who was then preparing for her gubernatorial run, was anointed by Pastor Muthee. His intercession, she says, was “awesome”.
Her June 8 speech was to mark the graduation of students from the Wasilla Assembly of God’s Masters’ Commission, which, as Pastor Ed Kalins explains, believes Alaska will be the refuge for American evangelicals upon the coming “End of Days”. After her speech, Mrs Palin was presented with an honorary Masters’ Commission diploma.
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woa! can we please all agree that aaron burr was the craziest vp in american history. until sarah palin challenges the secretary of state (is that right? i know at one stage he was the secretary of state) to a duel and kills him, she is pushing shit up hill. crazy, sure, but craziest? keep a lid on it please.
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Sep 25, 2008 2:35:30 AM CDT
I heard Moore is a shoe in for the Jabba the Hutt biopic!?!
by unionjackass.webs.com
It's what I heard.
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stop it. The rest of the world shudders at the prospect of this truly abhorrent individual getting remotely near arguably the most powerful position on the planet.
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for the VP debates. Come on admit it folks, you know you wanna watch and bet money on it. This will be better than the Quayle/Gore/Stockdale debate in 92. (Stockdale: who am I? WHy am I here?)
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Sep 25, 2008 5:43:50 AM CDT
Palin's an ignorant psychopath, but I'd still ass-fuck her.
by uncle stan
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Wanna go hunt some witches?
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Looks like its going to make back its losses in a big way. Indeed an innovative insurance product!!
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but we burnt all ours about 400-odd years ago. I'm all for throwing a few politicians on the fire, though. Did you hear that we had, until tuesday, a Cabinet Minister that was a member of Opus Dei? I only just found this out so have been forced to resolve not to take the piss out of Americans for Palin's religion. Instead, I'm just going to keep lambasting her for being a terrible human being.
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Sep 25, 2008 6:39:28 AM CDT
Anyone saying Queensland isn't the most corrupt state in Austral
by shan
Another vote Queensland as historically the most corrupt Australian state of recent memory ...
Queensland for sure - several decades of Sir Joh Bjelke-Petersen put them miles in front of the rest of the country in the corruption stakes. You know, their Premier being prosecuted, not being charged because of jury fixing, their police commissioner going to jail AND being stripped of his knighthood ... (just for starters) ... -
Sarah Palin could chant in toungues for all I care...I do not discriminate someone based upon their race, gender OR RELIGION.
Do you truly see what you are doing?
Would you have not voted for JFK because he was Catholic?
Obama is a Christian. He spent 20 years in a church with a pastor ranting racial and anti American garbage and you givr that a pass?
Rule of thumb: NEVER JUDGE RELIGIONS...JUDGE THEIR PRACTITIONERS.
Lots of of people her ranting about Sarah Palin using terms like "intolerant, abhorrent, fanatic" etc. This is all based on her RELIGIOUS practices. All of this from the tolerant, non-judgmental left?
Explain to me how this is NOT religious bigotry?
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I'll defend it. This has nothing whatsoever to do with her religion. It's based on her behaviour- especially her (and her parties) hypocrisy. I may take the piss out of her fundamental Christianity, but I do not hold it against her- it isn't as if anyone is short of ammo.Whether or not some of her more extreme stances (Creationism being taught as science, wanting certain books banning etc) are motivated by her religious beliefs is neither here nor there. As you said judge the practitioner, not the religion, and in my view she has been weighed, measured and found seriously wanting. And this is before I even start on how grossly inappropriate she is as potential vice president (For fuck's sake she didn't even know what VP did, I fucking knew and I'm not American. Even if you didn't know, it's not exactly tough to work out) let alone as a replacement for McCain. She is a rotten individual and a bad choice. My Wife, who is voting is genuinly horrified at her, and is also ashamed that she is a candidate. Mrs. Jarv believes that her nomination merely confirms European prejudices regarding Americans- it sure as hell doesn't help your global image (not that you give a shit).
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BSB (not that he needs me to say this) putting up that article about her Pastor is another massive slap in the face for Republican hypocrisy. Having seen people here smear Obama solidly for his association with his Pastor, I am now genuinly suprised to not see one far-right poster (Chrism, Blue_Demon, Coughlins's Law) lambasting Palin for crediting her electoral success to a fucking Witch Doctor. For Fuck's sake! A Witchdoctor! Oh, I forgot- it's only bad/ foolish religion when it's on the left- in the same way that you can ony be inexperienced if you are on the left. The polar opposite of Women should be treated in a more soft manner only when they represent the Republicans.It's very, very funny in a tragic sort of way to watch Republicans tying themselves in knots to justify both their previous odious smearing and the obvious fact that she is hugely unsuitable.
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Looks like we got ourselves a Hoedown!
Here's a tip Doc if Palin ever becomes President you could try very , very hard not to listen to her.
Awww have we touched a nerve Doc ? What gives ? Did tou drink so much Palin Kool-aid you forgot that there was an obvious flipside to the "folksy" gamble ?
Poor old McCain. It would seem nobody has told him he isn't the President yet and that the Bailout Bill doesn't need his personal blessing to pass. Someone should also remind him about those newfangled magic squawkboxes that enable someone to speak across VAST distances mean that he could pop off for the couple of hours and do the Debate and still be in close contact with his Republican Congress sheep who seem to now need personally herded by McCain. (Wonder what happened to the Republican Congressional Leaders ?)
Course Obama might have also reminded him that for the time they are debating vital foreign Policy issues Obama could, for instance, delegate to his VEEP choice and have Joe Biden in Congress if he were needed. But that would mean McCain would have to send....
Ah... NOW I get it. Palin in the midst of writing an unbelievably complex Bi-Partisan Finance Bill. Yep! I can see how that might not go down too well with angry voters at the moment.
See Doc some of us find a lot of this black comedy and farce funny. HYSTERICALLY funny in fact. That's why we are cracking jokes and not foaming at the mouth in pretend OUTRAGE!!!!! yeah, maybe you should find your happy place and not get quite so amusingly worked up.
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witchdoctor. My neighbors are giving me problems, and I'm 95% sure they are possessed by demons. Mrs. Palin, have your people contact my people.Seriously, is this the best our fucking two pathetic parties have to offer? Fuck them all.
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If you believe that A) She didn't know what the VP does. B) Wants creationism taught in school. C) Wanted books banned from the library...then go ahead my friend.
Once again though I'm confused as to the hate I hear leveled against her. What constitutes her being a "rotten individual" again? Really, please site something for me that would illustrate her as a bad human being. Just asking. -
and don't patronise me- I picked those three because they are the most documented and easiest to find. Book Banning is well documented and there are all sorts of quotes backing it up- I think one's in her biography thingy. Creationism- she has said that she wants it taught- so it's straight from the horses mouth. Ditto with the Vp thing. Even if you assume that she was misquoted/ joking, then at best that makes her colossally naive but more likely just stupid. Rotten individual? oh off the top of my head the massive amount of pork she's sent back to her town (population 6,000) despite being allegedly against pork. And yes, I do consider hypocrites to be rotten individuals. Will that do?
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making Rape victims pay for the kits. Is that shitty enough? And if you think she didn't know about that then you're completely deluded.
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You have to understand. There's not one iota of anger with you. I don't care if you agree with me. I don't want to change your mind.
I simply wonder where the source of all of the venom for this woman is. What is it? Her apparent religios practices are weird? I think so too. She hunts moose? I don't care for killing animals either. Her daughter got pregnant so you point with glee and say "AHA, you're NOT perfect!"
None of this or anything else you care to add constitutes this kind of rage man. I mean damn, people HATE and DESPISE this woman and her family. Can you tell me why?
As much as I disagree with Obama I wish the guy nothing but the best for him and his family. I would be glad to have either of them as a next door neighbor or even have a beer with them.
They're not out to destroy the country. They love America. I really wish I could see this kind of contempt for the truly vile and viscious human beings blowing people up on buses and trains.
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1)Book banning: Anne Kilkenny in Letters from Wasilla "she (Palin) lost my support when she sought to remove books that she didnt like from the library."- and you know this isn't libellous- because she hasn't been sued. 2)Creationism: "I am a proponent of teaching both. And you know, I say this too as a daughter of a science teacher." 3)Vice Presidency: ""As for that VP talk all the time, I'll tell you, I still can't answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day" Rape Kits: "http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/523708.html"
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I don't hate or despise her. If she wasn't in the running then I wouldn't give a shit about her and her extreme views. However, there is a chance that she may become president and therefore her hateful extremism suddenly becomes relevant. You know this is true, and deflecting the argument with a plaintive mewl of "simply wonder where the source of all of the venom for this woman is" is simply not good enough. She doesn't have conservative values, she is an Extremist- as bad as, if not worse than, the likes of Chavez who you lot pour endless bile at. The right is really reaping what it has sown with this one.
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No patronization dude. But hey, read into it what you will.
"the massive amount of pork she's sent back to her town" may constitute her being a bad politician but a "rotten human being"? Okay. I usually reserve that term for thieves,wife beaters,child abusers etc. I like to choose my words carefully so as not to diminish their true impact. Like racism. It's lost all meaning. Someone who may not agree with affirmative action is now a racist. Whatever.
She's big on science and said she would never impose teaching creationism as a cirriculum. It was huge interview...didn't you see that? Her dads a school teacher. She knows the score.
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ONE falsity from a Michael Moore film. I've already proved one supposed falsity completely wrong. It's all bullshit cooked up by the Republican smear machine. Come on. I want you to so I can educate you on the facts. Bring it.
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it's everywhere. She states openly that she wants them taught together. This implies that she wants them on an equal footing- when one is a science and the other is a fairy tale. and as for "Rotten individual" I stand by it. She is bent, hypocritical, extreme, unsympathetic, has no loyalty, little compassion and I think she might well be stupid. I don't put her in the same category as the evil you described, but she is a damned insidious individual. If she were in power then the best the world could hope for is that she is just a puppet, and the powers behind the throne know what they are doing. The worst does not bear contemplating.
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Charlton Heston was clearly a zombie and Moore portrayed him as a functioning human being.
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...since she's against Obama, not Clinton.
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Sep 25, 2008 9:21:02 AM CDT
Joe Lieberman to butt-fuck Kathy Bates LIVE IN VEGAS!!
by dannyglovers_dickblood
He claims her pussy tastes like Passover Chremzlach.
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Sep 25, 2008 9:21:42 AM CDT
I WOULD ARGUE THAT SARAH PALIN IS A ROTTEN HUMAN BEING
by bringingsexyback
because she supported charging rape victims for examinations (this costs the victim about $1,000) and embracing - quite vocally and enthusiastically - a Pastor who drove a woman from her home and village because he believed her to be a witch.
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But I see your next post...
She can be a proponent of "teaching both" all she wants. Schools decide what to teach. The president (which she is not running for BTW) is not the KING. They do not make THEIR will the law of the land. Not to sound 'patronizing dude but...you do get that don't you?
What exactlty was the QUESTION asked her in your VP answer that you so dutifully posted?
And you do understand that in school libraries choices are made ALL OF THE TIME as to what books will not be allowed on the shelves. Every town, city and municipality asks these questions. School boards, parents if neccesary. People who care about their community aren't looking to ban Mark Twain. They want to make sure stuff like 'Heather Has Two Mommoies" isn't in the mix. If that's extreme to you then I don't know what to tell you.
There was also a fake list of books she wanted banned floating around out there.
Dude if I thought she was that radical I'd be on board with you. But I seek truth first and REALLY try to avoid the hyperbole on both sides. Same with Obama. There's a lot of crap out there.
One more thing...you metioned "hateful extremism". Who does she hate? Really, I don't know of whom you speak. Hate is a pretty powerful charge.
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LOL.
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Sep 25, 2008 9:25:01 AM CDT
NOT TO MENTION SHE HAS NOW ALLOWED THE MCCAIN CAMPAIGN
by bringingsexyback
to run her Governor's office and effectively govern the entire state of Alaska.
Alaskans are outraged by this. To have your Lieutenant Gov or staff take over is one thing, but to hand the state government over to a cabal of lobbyists? Sounds rotten to me!
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GOLD.
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Sep 25, 2008 9:32:34 AM CDT
ALASKA HAS THE HIGHEST INCIDENCE OF RAPE PER CAPITA IN THE U.S.
by bringingsexyback
And Palin saw fit to charge these women - who likely don't have $1,000 to spare - to have evidence collected from their persons to convict their rapists.
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Sorry, I should have included it It wasn't a question per se, it was in an interview with her when she was mooted as a possible candidate. Here's the link: "http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/29/sarah-palin-what-exactly_n_122514.html" Actually, having read more of the tripe that comes out of her mouth I now lean towards that she isn't rotten. She's just fucking stupid. Regarding the book banning- I can't believe you're doing this. I understand that she isn't King and the Librarian told her to fuck off (quite rightly), but are you honestly saying that her desire for censorship is good? No-one is forcing anyone to read the damned book, but banning it outright is entirely different.
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Then they show Rosanne opening up her pie hole and I almost threw up my breakfast.
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the dual teaching thing. Whether or not she can actually do it is irrelevant. The fact that she thinks it is a good idea is what matters.
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you notice that everything I put up was easily verifiable. I've seen more than enough to form an opinion.
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Or in the case of the McCain campaign, do some real damage ...
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...was the bottom falling out of the McCain campaign. This is what happens when you A) don't vet your VP choice, B) inject politics into a national crisis, C) watch your convention bounce numbers drop faster than a hooker's panties, and D) blow off David Letterman.Geezuz, what a debacle!
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Sep 25, 2008 9:42:21 AM CDT
shit....anyone see this vid of Palin giving the finger....
by dannyglovers_dickblood
...to reporters? It was last week sometime.
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Z.O.M.G.
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Damn. What was that shit in the middle of that clip???
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Palin is a great VP choice...la-la-la-la-la
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I don't judge people on their thought either....rather their actions.
You may think about cheating on your wife...hell you may even talk about it. But it's a big difference between that and actually doing it. Wouldn't you agree?
And what do you mean desire for censorship? If mylocal PTA deems a book is not appropriate and vote and agree not to carry it in THEIR school library...THAT IS NOT CENSORSHIP. You can STILL go down to the next local library or bookstore and get said book. Forget Palin for a sec...now you're beginning to sound like all bluster and hyperbole...
Do you even know what censorship is? It's when the GOVERNMENT restricts specific forms of speech/expression etc.
If you think the local PTA and soccer moms can't make agreed upon, democratic decisions on what THEIR kids should have access to IN A SCHOOL LIBRARY then so be it.
Yeah, what a fascist bitch.
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So tell me...is it bad financial policy put forth in a bill with other proposals by legislators?
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Although, I do agree with you that there is a big difference between thought and action. However, regarding La Palin: To use your analogy, say I thought about cheating on my wife and then tried to do it but was stopped by someone else, then I would have done a bad thing and you know it. In the case of teaching creationism, she wants to, obviously, and if she had half a chance then she would. The fact is there is, thankfully, enough people out there to stop it. Regarding your second point with the mythical PTA? you are resorting to sophistry, as you yourself have just said judge on actions. The fact is, she TRIED to have them banned and failed to. Censorship is not necessarily governmental, but in this case we'lll use your definition. What precise job did she have at the time? Was it something to do with, ooooh, government? And what did she try to do? was it restrict the distribution of books. That is censorship. The fact she failed is irrelevant. It isn't me using rhetorical tools to try to evade a point. I am prone to hyperbole, but nothing I have put up is hyperbolic. It's all there to be checked.
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I'm just trying to be objective.
There are those hailing Palin as the greatest ideal politician,shinning and decending from the heavens...and there are those with a purple faced rage at the thought of the existence of her and her family.
Both are EXTREME and I always marvel at the amount of rancor on this site. The TRUTH is always somewhere in between. -
is not either of the points you make. Whoever bought in the legislation to begin with needs tarring and feathering STAT, but the fact that she knew about it, and had so little sympathy/ basic human compassion that she didn't put a fucking stop to it immediatly is absolutely fucking terrible. For the sake of a few thousand dollars, she was complicit in keeping rapists on the street and helped heap more misery on some tragic victims. There are some things that transcend politics/ fiscal legislation and this is absolutely one of them. Regardless of her motivations (it can't possibly be number 2, surely?), it was a truly, truly dreadful piece of behaviour.
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her existence and that of her family does not bother me. Her views I generally disagree with and I find her lack of compassion and loyaty distasteful. But we are not talking about some nobody, we are talking about someone in the running to potentially be the most powerful person on the planet. Her personality does matter, and if it turns out that she is adulterous (I wouldn't be shocked to hear it frankly, but that's more down to my low opinion of politicians in general), then it just confirms her hypocrisy and stupidity. She is a different case to most people.
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Legislators were seeking specifically to reverse that practice of charging rape victims - and they were opposed by Palin and her Sheriff.
She is no friend to women. She has never advocated or passed policies to protect women and their issues. In fact, she has done the opposite, as we have demonstrated.
Anyone with daughters, wives, girlfriends, mothers, sisters, grandmothers, female friends should look upon her with, at the very least, caution.
Here is a quote from Max Blumenthal, who blew open the pastor issue, that rounds out my thoughts on the matter:
"Behind the Christian right's enthusiasm for Palin's conservative credentials is a visceral sense that that she has come from them, not to them. Some right-wing evangelicals even believe she has messianic potential. As former Christian Broadcasting Network vice president Jim Bramlett wrote, "Sarah is that standard God has raised up to stop the flood. She has the anointing."
The Christian right's analysis is accurate to a certain degree. While Palin may not be The One, she is certainly one of them. Her social policy views, from her rejection of scientific evidence on global warming to her opposition to publicly funding emergency contraception for rape victims, are explicitly influenced by the sectarian theology she has subscribed to since she was a teenager. There is no better evidence of the depth of Palin's radical convictions than her startling encounter with the witch-hunter, Bishop Muthee.
Next week, I will post an exclusive video documentary here that will shed further light on Palin's relationship with Muthee and the religious right in Alaska. Stay tuned."
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"Palin said during her 2006 gubernatorial campaign that if she were elected, she would not push the state Board of Education to add creation-based alternatives to the state’s required curriculum, or look for creationism advocates when she appointed board members."
That's a bit different from "...she wants to obviously, and if she had half a chance then she would." Politicians aren't stupid. They know broad consensus is the name of the game.
As for the book banning 'fact'...I know she cleaned house and fired a number of people when she entered office. Being so quick to attribute the worst in people I'm sure you can conceive of a disgruntled bitch going to the press and spouting of. Don't get me wrong...you could very well be correct. As I said I'm about TRUTH first, my opinion later...but this just doesn't seem as factual as say the rape kit thing.
And yes,you would have done a bad thing if your intent was to cheat and were stopped. My point still stands.
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Obama's a Christian. What are you thoughts on HIS crazy pastor of 20 years and hateful speech?
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In all fairness, the vitriol has been slung from both sides. It's just that in recent days, certain right-wing talkbackers have been absent because of the McCain campaign's frictionless descent and Palin's abysmal performances (or lack thereof) in the media.
I can't say I blame them.
But let's not forget that it was in these hallowed halls of AICN that Obama was smeared endlessly and for many months. Racially, religiously, politically, personally, familially. Palin's been around for only a few weeks. We're just do some catch-up here. -
That is some good shit.
BSB/TKD '08 -
What about my question? Im genuinely curious.
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I'll be glad to answer - but first tell me your thoughts on my post.
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For one thing that pussy stank like Barbara Bush's tomb-like breath. For another-- ain't no bitch on the pill....ain't no bitch fix that shit thats been wronged at the clinic. Bitch trying to raise my child up on Jesus and shit......AWWWWW HELL NO.
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regarding the book banning. I used whatshername's quote- which is obviously first hand. Sure she could be disgruntled, in which case she has libelled Palin, but on the balance of probabilities I believe her. It certainly has more credibility than the quote you just put up- one is a first hand account of events, yours is unattributed and is an opinion piece- it holds just as much weight as the opinions we've all put up.I will give you the consensus point with the other one, I'm not a member of the thought police. I fail to see how the Letter from Wasilla quote is less worthy as supporting evidence. So if you take creationism off the table, then you are still left with a whole shit load of undesirable pieces of behaviour. Let me reverse this- do you think she is a good candidate and a good person?
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Lunchtime and the sandwiches are calling ...
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Sarah Palin has tried to ban books is for denying abortions to rape victims and like our curent president she appears to prefer Divine Inspiration to logic and facts. If she kept her religious beliefs (but not her morality) separate from her secular actions then you can argue religious bigotry.
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is bigotry
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Just kidding.
I haven't seen the racial and religious slurs "endlessly for months" about Obama here. I really haven't because I generally avoid this shit because of the same kind of hyperbole and demagoguery
I'm witnessing here. I can't 'hate' someone just because I may not 'agree' with them politically. It tells me a lot about the person HATING more than the subject of their hate. Some people GENUINELY HATE Bill Clinton and GENUINELY HATE Rush Limbaugh. I just can't go THAT far.
If I do come across stuff like that I do one of 23 things.
1) Ignore it because it's too juevinile to respond to...like Mcgoocain
2)Come down like a ton of bricks on the blatant racist and religious bigotry which I despise with a white hot passion to the core of my being.
Or 3) Genuinely and inquisitively ask questions and probe people on the root causes of their thinking. It is my belief that most people "FEEL" first and "THINK" second. Especially so-called "compassionate" liberals who think everyone is a bigot if they don't "feel" as much as they do.
This kind of hate should be reserved for the true evil fuckers out there who just blew up that Marriott in Pakistan. But no. Sarah Palin: Mom with 5 kids and public servant is the intolerant spawn of the devil. Fine.
Again, I don't care if you agree with her or even like her...but a little perspective. Please -
"I don't judge people on their thought either....rather their actions."
Then how can you possibly support McCain? Keating 5 scandal, flip-flop on almost every position he has held since 2000, Opposed the Gi Bill until it passed and then took credit, supported invasion of Iraq, supported continued deregulation until last week, EVEN THOUGH HE HAD ALREADY BEEN BURNED IN THE LAST S&L MELTDOWN. The man cannot even lear from his own mistakes. Ignore the rhetoric and there is no competition. Barack is much more qualified to be president. -
I don't hate Palin becasue she is a mother. I don't hate her because she is a public servant. I don't hate her for having 5 kids (although the world is pretty overpopulated). I hate her because her viewpoints, statements, and actions are anti-democratic, anti-constitutional, harmful to society, and unreasonable.
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What... is that'parentism'?
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but I'm miles to the left of her.I'm also not saying she's in the same league as those fuckers. I do however, think that she has at the very least done some very bad shit, and her beliefs seem to fluctuate between lunacy and extremism. I don't wish death on her, but I do think she is utterly unfit for office- and pretty rotten inside. Her parental status is neither here nor there, and I'm perplexed as to why you think it's relevant. Even Stalin had a daughter. I feel I'm repeating myself here, but if you can find one instance of me saying that I hate her, then I will stand corrected.
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Well of course....its IMMANUEL CUNT!!
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She didn't try to ban books specifically but asked about removing them and when the librarian balked, she then discussed replacing the librarian. And yes, it was a children's book called "Daddy's Roomate" or something like that about a child and his or her father's gay roomate.Wright may have said things about America many don't like or agree with but a certain Pastor Muthee who is quite the hero for personally fighting and "banishing" a witch in Africa (apparently, the African witch hunt thing is an exact copy of our early puritanical witchhunts with many women being beaten and killed in the name of "purging witchcraft") anointed her in 2005 and also preaches that Christians must (paraphrased) "Infiltrate all sectors of the government" in order to bring it back to Jesus or something along those lines.Make any case you want over Wright and his take on America. He never spoke of infiltrating all sectors of government. Also, make any case you want over Muthee and his modern day actual witch hunts; he never denigrated nor "damned" America (that I'm aware of).But notice which one was repeated ad infinitum on the TV and radio regulars and which one you have to seek out to some extent.Liberal media, indeed.
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Ash Williams or Burt Gummer.
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You do realize he's pumping his load out reading this talk back?
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The Jaw and Mustache would be the dynamic duo.
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Last one first. From what I know of Sarah Palin yes..I do think she is a good person.
Do I line up with any of her religious beleifs? Hardly at all.
As a politician do I think she probably fucked some things up? Undoubtedly. She is a flawed human being like the rest of us.
Do I think she loves America and wants to help make it better than when she left it? Yes.
ALL OF THAT CAN BE APPLIED TO ALL OF THE CANDIDATES. The question here is their IDEAS. If you want to rip her personally, have at it but it is that which perplexes me.
Do I think she's a good candidate? Yes and here's why...
Any other pick...Romney, Lieberman etc. would be pounced on as "more old, rich white guys" running the show. Strategically, it was a masterstroke. Democrats were/are furious at having Republicans pick a woman who doesnt fit THEIR mold of what a successful feminist woman should be: a liberal.
She is NOT part of the prissy, victim-mongering, philistine feminist establishment. MOST women in America relate to that. Even if they end up NOT agreeing with her politically, there is a visceral likeability that women feel for her. 5 kids, pregnant daughter, special needs baby...many women can relate to that and fell "you know, SHE understands what it's like. .Camille Paglia....liberal Democrat/feminist and voting for Obama says it best:
"A feminism that cannot admire the bravura under high pressure of the first woman governor of a frontier state isn't worth a warm bucket of spit."
That's all I got.
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And for all of you saying there's been nothing but hatred and vile spewing from either side over nothing but personal matters, I think you are only partially correct. Asshole commentators from both sides are doing the 'vile spewing' where real journalists are getting shut out and lumped in with the asshats. The part in which you are not correct is dangerous because it equivocates questioning a candidates beliefs, philosophy, and political views with attacking them and if we can ask no questions for fear of being labeled racist, ageist, or sexist, then we will simply have un-vetted strangers running for the highest office in the land with keys to a massive nuclear arsenal and I think even the most white-knuckled and red-eyed partisan could agree that that is the zenith of voluntary stupidity.People saying shit about Palin's daughter play right into the hands of the extreme right. I read an article which purported that Palin gave her daughter a choice but wouldn't give anyone else a choice. Well, that's not entirely accurate now is it? What actually happened was her daughter made the "right choice" in Palin's eyes. If she had wanted to abort the child then Palin would have presumably said no and that, and anything else relating to it, is really a personal matter for her family. I've discussed why I feel there is no current answer to the abortion debate and why there may never be one so long as large societies exist but that is another issue altogether.I don't hate Palin but I do not agree with and cannot stomach her views and thus, I'd never vote for her. That is not remotely the same as "You just hate her no matter what!".Ironically, we get the same shit in TF talkbacks...people presume that someone who either likes or dislikes Transformers did not come to that conclusion naturally but instead were influenced by something else. Perhaps a few were but my guess is many just watched the movie and either enjoyed it or did not...why is the first response to question the motivations for a particular critique?And allow me one meaningless rant which has bothered me for years....the Steppford pseudo-Repubs in 2004 wore those fucking outrageous "purple heart band-aids" for the RNC and it was insulting to anyone with a brain whether or not you've served. Seeing those pics of mindless fucktards wearing their bumperstickers right on their doughy faces made me furious and sad for all of the men and women who died fighting real wars so these fat, fucking pretentious asswipes could single-handedly make light of their sacrifice by intending to insult Kerry's war record. Kerry might be a schmuck, no doubt there, but attack the man personally. That bullshit Swift-boat book? Fine, no problem. But wearing purple heart band-aids insults my late uncle who fought the Germans in WW2 and was injured (load of shrapnel in his left foot and calf muscle) and any other soldier who was willing to put his or her life on the line for a bunch of thankless fucktards who's idea of undue stress is sweating as they walk their fat asses out to get the mail.That last part is purely my opinion and you are welcome to your own, you will not change my mind if you try to explain it away as a "joke" or some other bullshit. We're adults and we must act like adults when it comes to very serious shit like war and getting hurt and honoring those willing to put themselves in that situation for those of us who are not willing. To make light of that, even if it is meant to be a specific slight on a specific individual, is just asshatery at its worse. You purple-heart band-aid wearing asshats aren't real Americans much less real republicans. Real republicans and democrats honor the men and women who are willing to give the ultimate sacrifice for their country and the rest of us sitting comfortably in our a/c'd homes. Sorry to rant but holy shit does that piss me off.Extremes, indeed!
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"The question here is their IDEAS."Yet further down in your post you say that other woman can relate to her and she's likeable as a person. That has nothing to do with her ideas. Does that make you feel uncomfortable that women will vote for her not based upon her ideas, but because they like her? And since you said MOST woman like her, where are you getting this information from? A poll? I can tell you that woman co-workers where I work do not like her, nor does my wife. So since the Palin pick made the Democratic Party furious, it made it a good pick in your eyes? So it has nothing to do with her viewpoints?
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That whole opening a bank account and walking out of the bank with a gun sequence in Columbine was a total fabrication. Moore called ahead, made arrangements to have the gun sent to the bank, and then acted like the bank just handed them out when in reality they make people go through the full background process and then ship the gun to a licensed dealer. That's just one fallacy of many. And by the way, I'm not a Republican, I just don't like liars and propagandists and I also don't appreciate people who exploit and shit all over the documentary art form. Moore has been incredibly deceptive in his work and his editing techniques are completely unacceptable. I’d also point out that both the Republicans and the Democrats have sold the American people out, so all this talk of partisan politics is ultimately meaningless. Moore used to believe that until he sold out Nader and became the Democrat’s bitch and mouthpiece. Personally, I don’t give a shit about his politics; I resent him because he has the audacity to call his films documentaries.
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http://tinyurl.com/zd2ex
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Yes it is about their ideas. But that doesn't prevent people in this country from voting for a whole host of reasons.
Many black people in this country will vote for Barrack Obama simply because he's black. I get that. I understand it. There's a certain pride that comes with him possibly being the first black prez (well, second if you count Bill Clinton). I wish I was helping to elect the first black president but I'm just not down with his ideas.
Many people would have voted for Hillary just because she was a woman and many will vote McCain/Palin because they like her and she's a fresh face.
"Does that make you feel uncomfortable that women will vote for her not based upon her ideas, but because they like her? " I would prefer people vote their ideas and values. But it doesn't matter what I think. It's not my vote.
I'm getting my info the same place you are. My female co-workers and freinds. My wife likes her.
I said it made Democrats furious because strategically it was good pick. It had the element of suprise. The choice of a female took sole ownership of the dynamic of 'change' off the democrats table. Of course they disagree with her ideas...that's a given. Like all republicans she wants to subjegate every man, woman and child to a millitant police state overseen by a brutal theocracy beholden to the Jews.
I know the story.
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That was the same argument someone made above that I've already provided refuting evidence for. It was staged in that he called ahead and said a film crew was coming but the events actually happened as depicted in the film. Here's the post again for your benefit.
In the spring of 2001, Moore saw a real ad in a real newspaper in Michigan announcing a real promotion that this real bank had where they would give you a gun (as your up-front interest) for opening up a Certificate of Deposit account. They promoted this in publications all over the country – "More Bang for Your Buck!" There was news coverage of this bank giving away guns, long before he even shot the scene there. The Chicago Sun Times wrote about how the bank would "hand you a gun" with the purchase of a CD. Those are the precise words used by a bank employee in the film.
When you see him going in to the bank and walking out with his new gun in "Bowling for Columbine" – that is exactly as it happened. Nothing was done out of the ordinary other than to phone ahead and ask permission to let him bring a camera in to film him opening up the account. He walked into that bank in northern Michigan for the first time ever on that day in June 2001, and, with cameras rolling, gave the bank teller $1,000 – and opened up a 20-year CD account.
After you see him filling out the required federal forms ("How do you spell Caucasian?") – which he was filling out there for the first time – the bank manager faxed it to the bank's main office for them to do the background check. The bank is a licensed federal arms dealer and thus can have guns on the premises and do the instant background checks (the ATF's Federal Firearms database—which includes all federally approved gun dealers—lists North Country Bank with Federal Firearms License #4-38-153-01-5C-39922).
Within 10 minutes, the "OK" came through from the firearms background check agency and, 5 minutes later, just as you see it in the film, they handed him a Weatherby Mark V Magnum rifle. There are outtakes howign this. -
Any other "fabrications" you'd like me to prove you dead wrong on?
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Sep 25, 2008 1:45:51 PM CDT
DoctorWho? -- your wife is an even bigger idiot.
by dannyglovers_dickblood
Any woman that would support the most anti-woman politician in the country should receive a forced hysterectomy. What an ignorant human being she must be. You should be proud.
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How exactly do you think she loves America? What has she done that makes you think she loves America? More so than Biden? McCain? Obama?And I'm not so sure it will be the "masterstroke" you think it is, because she is not good in interviews. From what I heard, the McCains performed very well when they went on to the View. Palin has not shown that (see BSB's link to Couric interview). Granted, it's a far smaller sample of her being interviewed, but guess what, she ain't got time to "warm up" to it.
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I'm more than cool with talking about this or that...but hurling insults back at you just ain't my thing.
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Other Republicans have completely new Bill involving Home-owner insurance in mind.
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Beyond horrible.Now that law got overturned in 2000, and when it did, the police chief at the time (not sure if is still is now) did not agree with the change in law. Why? Because it was estimated that it would cost the town of Wasilla $5k - $14K a year to incur these rape kit costs. Guess they shouldn't have built that road to nowhere.
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I didn't say she loved America "more than" Obama or Biden.
"How exactly do you think she loves America? The same reason the other candidates do...choosing to serve in public office.
I could ask the same of Obama..."How exactly do YOU think HE loves America?" You don't have to answer that...doesn't it speak for itself?
I guess more to the point would be How exactly do you think she DOESN'T love America? You don't have to answer...I suspect you'll answer as I posted above..."Like all republicans she wants to subjegate every man, woman and child to a millitant police state overseen by a brutal theocracy beholden to the Jews."
A tad hyperbolic perhaps. Correct me if i'm wrong.
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I was just reading an article where they talked to the guy that she ran against and beat for mayor. He was her mentor figure that got her into politics. He says before she ran the mayor of Wasilla position was like a popularity contest, very innocent. And it wasn't partisan at all. Sarah made it nasty...she was the first time bring abortion in as a local issue. She got the endorsement of some militant anti-choice group and the words BABY KILLER started popping up on the campaign signs of the incumbent. Of course when she got into office she hastily fired the entire staff at the mayor's office....many of which were friends she worked with that had encouraged her to run. What a lovely lady!!
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http://www.bloomb erg.com/apps/news?pid=20601170&refer=home&si d=amZxIbcjZISU
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don't let this mess pass!!!!
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http://mark et-ticker.denninge r.net/
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"I. Too Little, Too Late to End the Debt Crisis. Congress should:
1. Disregard data based on the list of troubled banks maintained by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC). The FDIC’s list currently has 117 institutions with $78 billion in assets. However, based on a broader analysis of recent FDIC call report data, we find that institutions at risk of failure include 1,479 FDIC member banks and 158 thrifts with total assets of $3.6 trillion, or 36 times the assets of banks on the FDIC’s list. -
how many opening weekends for TDK does that equal????????????
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Ed McMahon has an unexpected new job title: rapper.
The 85-year-old former "Tonight Show" sidekick will star in two viral rap videos for FreeCreditReport.com , a financial Web site owned by credit bureau Experian. The videos feature McMahon wearing a tracksuit, being chauffeured around Los Angeles in a golf cart and waxing lyrical about his very public financial troubles.
The videos will appear online in October.
FreeCreditReport. com says the company sought out McMahon to star in the humorous spots after seeing him openly discuss his finances on "Larry King Live." -
Thats about as much cash Johnny Depp spends on blow every month.
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thats what they want. Watch your TV, dont THINK. They want us all to shut up and take it. LETS SHOW THEM WHAT WE CAN DO!!!!!! STEP UP!!!!
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most American women voters have at least one thing in common, and this is across party lines- they vote for choice. This isn't a prissy feminist establishment position, but an issue of sovereignty. Women have been voting for men that support the right to choose for a generation now, they're used to voting for men. Palin is fervently anti-choice.
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IndyMac, which had $32 billion in assets when it went into receivership, is the most expensive bank failure the FDIC has ever covered. And that record may not stand for long. By the end of 2009, about 100 U.S. banks with collective assets of more than $800 billion will fail, predicts Christopher Whalen, managing director of Institutional Risk Analytics, a Torrance, California-based firm that sells its analysis of FDIC data to investors. ``It's not going to be Armageddon,'' says Mark Vaughan, an economist and assistant vice president at the Federal Reserve Bank of Richmond, Virginia and a senior lecturer in economics at Washington University in St. Louis. ``But it's going to be bad.'' FDIC's Secret List: The FDIC knows which banks are at risk; it has a watch list with 117 institutions...The agency won't disclose their names because doing so could cause depositors to panic and pull out all of their funds.
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Sep 25, 2008 3:17:17 PM CDT
...COULD CAUSE DEPOSITORS TO PANIC AND PULL OUT ALL OF THEIR FUN
by shermanium65
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http://www.washing tonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic le/2008/09/24/AR2008092402799_pf.html
The director of the Congressional Budget Office said yesterday that the proposed Wall Street bailout could actually worsen the current financial crisis.
During testimony before the House Budget Committee, Peter R. Orszag -- Congress's top bookkeeper -- said the bailout could expose the way companies are stowing toxic assets on their books, leading to greater problems.
"Ironically, the intervention could even trigger additional failures of large institutions, because some institutions may be carrying troubled assets on their books at inflated values," Orszag said in his testimony. "Establishing clearer prices might reveal those institutions to be insolvent." -
bye bye bye
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http://fa culty.chicagogsb.edu/john.cochrane/research/Papers/mort gage_protest.htm
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Keep fighting the good fight.
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spread the truth
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"he who manages to get through the door first (before the crush) manages to get (most) of his money back. Everyone else gets rammed. Expect it folks, because it is coming."
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"Durable goods were down more than 4%, and unemployment was up to nearly 500,000 today. The real economy is deteriorating quickly and this is not due to the "credit crunch" which just went "critical" in the last two weeks (beyond the survey period); the fact of the matter is that this plan will not and cannot work, because it fails to address the root of the issue, which once again is:
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There is no way to value any financially-related firm in the United States as their balance sheets are nearly 100% opaque; until you force Level 3 assets and "off balance sheet" exposures out in the open (this does not require "mark to market", but it DOES require that you force firms to expose both the claimed assets and their valuation models) investors cannot have an informed opinion of a firm's true value, or even whether that firm is solvent.
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Without caging the derivatives monster you cannot stop a disorderly unwind, thereby making it impossible to know whether you will suddenly get hit with a Cat 5 hurricane of cross-defaults.
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Without taking down irresponsible leverage, which the firms have refused to do voluntarily, you cannot prevent failures that result from very small losses in these firm's portfolios.
This bill addresses NONE of these matters, but all must be addressed in order to restore credit flow in Corporate America." -
I have my Money in Washington Mutual. Granted it's like 500 bucks, but still it's my 500 bucks. Should I close my account, oh wise one?
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wake up, people!
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i was able to watch the whole thing on youtube
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I've argued with the Dickster about films, but we're on the same page here.
And the Shermanium is on the mark about the foibles of bailouts. After enduring three job layoffs in company cutbacks and other unexpected economic woes. I long for the day of that President who had his weenie serviced while the economy was booming and the deficit was going away and becoming a surplus. So I'll make our McCain in the membrane Palinistas a deal. If she starts taking a ramming in every hole as the economy booms and I find I am better off than the past seven years of W, I'll shut up. Really. I admit that after years of thinking country first, too, I'm damn selfish about wanting a life back. Not riches, just a reasonable income again with proper insurance, etc. If you think that's going to happen with John the dullard (I don't know how to use a computer, duh...) and Sarah the burn all atheists/agnostics champion, you're delusional. -
I'd say get out. That's what I've heard. Then again, they have our mortage (which is now on shaky ground for us and we may have no choice but to sell our home - welcome to Bushwhacked America), so I don't what one does in that case.
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Sep 25, 2008 6:23:53 PM CDT
I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYONE TALK OUT THEIR ASS AS MUCH AS SARAH PALIN
by bringingsexyback
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/25/eveningnews/main4479062.shtml
"We have trade missions back and forth, we do. It's very important when you consider even national security issues with Russia. As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border. It is from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there, they are right next to our state."
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Sep 25, 2008 6:28:58 PM CDT
MAYBE SARAH SPENDS HER FREE TIME ON THAT ONE ISLAND IN ALASKA
by bringingsexyback
making sure no Russians are invading.
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"Couric: You met yesterday with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, who is for direct diplomacy with both Iran and Syria. Do you believe the U.S. should negotiate with leaders like President Assad and Ahmadinejad?
Palin: I think, with Ahmadinejad, personally, he is not one to negotiate with. You can't just sit down with him with no preconditions being met. Barack Obama is so off-base in his proclamation that he would meet with some of these leaders around our world who would seek to destroy America and that, and without preconditions being met. That's beyond naïve. And it's beyond bad judgment.
Couric: Are you saying Henry Kissinger … is naïve for supporting that?"
* Mahmoud Ahmedinejad (I persoanlly call him Moo-Moo) was on Larry King the other night - an hour long conversation - and not once did he express any desire to attack us. He even admitted that his country's economy is of paramount concern. I think Palin needs to watch Larry King instead of listening to Lieberman's voice in her head. * -
I can see Russia from my house!
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Coming to an entertainment site and expecting a reasoned exchange of political opinions is like going to a sushi bar for enchiladas. Better forums are out there for this, eh?
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I've searched high and low, and there's no better forum for any topic than AICN.
Best people here = best forum on the Net.
Not to mention we have the bestest site owner ever in Harry Knowles and his lieutenant Drew McWeeny. -
Larry King: "Are you proud that a black man is running for President?"
Chris: "I'm proud Barack Obama is running. Would I be proud if Flava Flav is running? No."
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Sep 25, 2008 8:45:18 PM CDT
SARAH PALIN: "I'LL FIND OUT SOME AND I'LL GET BACK TO YA!"
by bringingsexyback
Still hasn't gotten back to her as of today. Try Google, Sarah.
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Sep 25, 2008 8:48:11 PM CDT
NOW THERE'S SOME SPECULATION THAT MCCAIN WILL DROP PALIN
by bringingsexyback
Do it Johnny!!!
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Article from no friend to the Right Christopher Hitchens, go nuts poking holes in it- http://www.slate.com/id/2102723/
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for your info, i am posting this shit everywhere because people need to know. Go back to your "heroes" torrent, dude
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I have been posting Barry Lyndon quotes in the Google finance forums, so i think i'm covered. Good line about the encheladas, though.
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Couldn't agree more about this site's readers.... even more of a reason for me to share this shit. also, you'd be surprised who reads this...
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I know that guy! he was the second unit director on raiders of the lost ark!
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that we come here from our love of movies. right wing people like movies. left wing people like movies. you go somewhere political and you will hear over and over your own side. you go to a site of the other side and you'll get smashed. because we come here for independent reasons from politics you get a better spread and a better debate. I have learnt a lot, and can't help but fence sit due to good arguments from both sides. idoits be dammed, were i an american i would have voted for mcain in 2000. i now think obama edges him out but shit, you have two good choices. just pray he out lives his father (who he is already two years older than, whom died of old age) because lets face it palin is shit house (i don't hate her, but check out the interview she did with katie coric, she seriously is a fool)
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bravo!
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is last to criticize it."
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is to pretend to fail.”
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...the volume of money in our country is absolute master of all industry and commerce…and when you realize that the entire system is very easily controlled, one way or another, by a few powerful men at the top, you will not have to be told how periods of inflation and depression originate.”
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REP. SHERMAN SAYS THE WHITE HOUSE WILL NOT PASS THE BILL IF IT INCLUDES LIMITS ON CEO PAY, MORTGAGE BANKRUPTCY REFORM: "Bankruptcy reform is a dealbreaker for the White House" and so are corporate executive pay limits, Sherman said. "On more than one occasion, the statement was made that if we put that in the bill, the president will not sign it," he said.
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Ha ha charade you are.
You house proud town mouse,
Ha ha charade you are
You're trying to keep our feelings off the street.
You're nearly a real treat,
All tight lips and cold feet
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"We have a group of Republicans outraged at Bush (and Hanky & Ben) and a group who have their nose so far up his ass they can't breathe. Along with those Republicans who are outraged, are many Democrats. More than anything, this has absolutely caused chaos. No one knows who is on whose side any more. You can't identify your 'enemy' by their party affiliation all of the sudden. Marcy Kapture (D) and Scott Garrett (R) have co-sponsored their own Bill to REQUIRE alternative solutions be presented. The biggest thing that has apparently come to Shelby's (and other's) attention is the fact that there are VIABLE, LOGICAL alternative plans. When asked if he had considered alternative plans or ideas, Paulson REFUSED to answer anyone who asked."
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You know it to be true.
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http://www.you tube.com/watch?v=CuTi9UZtPbw
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Getting a lot of "I hate her", "you hate her", "we hate her", "Michael Moore had slippery sex with my naive fridge" but I can't find a single 'review' of the documentary? No, I haven't read every post. I read some that watched it but any hint toward the film or its contents would usually follow the path of "I just watched it... and Michael Moore can tongue my dead brothers' foetus smear" or some such. Is it so bad that it isn't worth mentioning? I am in Australia with crappy speeds - I need to know if it's worth my 14 hours download time!
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But for ONCE I agree whole heartedly with the bastard.
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I'm staying civil on this and not heaping vitriol on this woman, but you are engaging in massive amounts of self-contradictions regarding this woman. I almost get the feeling that Satan himself could have stood as Republican noominee (not that she is satan) and you would find some way of justifying him: "Yes, but he's all about personal freedom of choice, and he's definately tough on sin". To whiw- You stated to me that it's all about actions not ideas, so I changed my stance and bought you examples of bad actions that she has committed- there's no point going over them again, we've battered it to death. Yet now you are arguing that it is ideas that are important. Which is it? you can't have it both ways- and to be honest, I think you are on safer ground with actions, simply because as soon as we get into the philosophical arguments creationism gets back on the table. I don't know where you are getting your info about women liking her, but I know a lot of ex-pat American women through my wife (although, to be honest they'll all probably be going back soon- and way less than you-), from a wide variety of states and they all are absolutely revolted by her- mostly because of her hard line stance on abortion. I admit that this is a worthless poll, but I am yet to meet an American woman that likes her/ agrees with her ideas. To be honest, I would not consider anyone that did what she did with the rape kits a good person, and I think you are reaching into the nebulous with "but she loves America"- don't forget that Hitler loved Germany. Anyhoo, it's been fun having a civil conversation about this.
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i'm from oz. watch it on you tube, it should be fine. I think they themselves put it up there, it seems like they don't care if we watch it just want deniability. as for a review i enjoyed it. i am usually a fan of michael moore. ive seen bits of that canadian doco and fair suck, the rifle from the bank was a set up. usually the rifles were dispensed from the other side of town. this dose not attack the basic premise that you get a rifle from opening a bank account, but truth is, it didn't work the way he showed it to work. at core it was truthful, specifically though, it was not. i think this is pattern with moore. his point is usually accurate, his scarcastic approach is often wrong. in fact since i am drunk let me digress, (i am accually moving away from what i was saying here) check out this link:http://tinyurl.com/3ghlgx here michael moore is arguing in favour of gun control and against having the ten comandments in schools (i agree with him on both points) to illustrate the stupidity of it he goes around asking the sponsors of the bill what the ten comandments are, quizing them and finding that they get it wrong. problem is there is no such thing as an accepted listing of the ten commandments. from the old testment we know there are ten. we also have a text of the statements. problem is that there are 15 statements. thus different faiths chop them up in different ways. every faith brings it in at ten but different faiths number them differently. for example i am a catholic. as a catholic do not lie is the 8th comandment. for a protestant it is the 9th. keep in mind we all agree on the comandments, we just number them differently. moore is a catholic. in this clip he asks dave weidon what the 8th comandment is. dave, a protestant, answers (correctly for a protestant) 'don't steal' authoritatively micheal tells him he is wrong. if he were catholic, he would be wrong. since he is a protestant he is correct and the film gives a false impression of him.that said, moore point is a)there should be a separation of church and state b)america's gun laws are out of control and make you guys unsafe. i agree with both of these points, but he is clearly dishonest in this clip.this moive is not like his others. it is a road trip movie without a current agenda. it is about what he calls his failed agendaga of 4 years ago. as such it is interesting in that it is an anatomy of failure. i kept waiting for him to be introspecitve and acknowled that he was part of bush's win. it never gets there. i liked farinheit 911, but lets be real, it did more for conservatives than for dems. if anything conservates should watch this movie. you see a man get caught up in himself and think he doing the opposite to what he is doing. one can see between the lines in this movie and it is fasinating. i actually like moore, but in this documentary he tells you more about himself than he meant to. largly because it's structure is tottally differnt to his other moives./drunken rambling
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fair suck of the sav, i don't like her either but you have been heaping vitriol on her. you gave a list of proof of your points. i already knew all that stuff. your points are accurate and i agree with you. but come on, you have used aggressive language. lets be fair.
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that you are the only one
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I know, I've described her as rotten, abhorrent, repellent, bent and a host of others. What I meant is that I haven't asked for her head on a stake, or wished any other type of death on her- I also haven't called her a cunt. Compare my posts to Danny's for example. I would counter that I've used strong language, but I think I've actually been remarkably restrained bearing in mind some of the things I do think about her (and I'm nothing compared to what Mrs. Jarv thinks). I find it amazing that the right is playing this "why are you dreadful socialists beating up this woman" card when we've had endless posts of the most unbelievable hate aimed at obama. It's the hypocrisy that's getting to me.
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we are pretty much in line. i'm not saying i like her. in fact i consider her grossely incompentant. and you can imagine my girlfriends reation when i told her that palin was in favour of charging for the rape kits. cause women support her right?
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http://tinyurl.com/3ghlgx moore critices a protestant for saying that the 8th comandment is don't steal. acutally if you are a protestant the 8th comandment is in fact don't steal.
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Did you even read the Hitchens article you linked? I just read the entire thing and despite the article's title, there is NOT ONE contradiction of a fact portrayed in Fahrenheit 9/11. NOT. ONE. That article is nothing more than an overlong, droning, and pretentious treatise on Moore's worldview by a man whose brain imploded after 9/11 into a vacuum of single-minded "Islamo-fascist" witch-hunting.
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Are you kidding me? Keep grasping at straws. That's not a "lie." That was happening to not know that commandments differ by denomination. Like it fucking matters.
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Moore made out the NHS was good. That's a lie.
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now that'll be worth watching.
http://laughingsquid.com/head-of-skate-an-alaskan-hockey-mom-becomes-vice-president/
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i highly doubt he didn't know it, it requires not researching it all. surely if you are going to say on tv that someone has got something wrong, you should first make sure that they did in fact get it wrong. simple fact is he portrayed this guy as being wrong when the guy was in fact correct. when someone is correct and you say they are wrong, what would you call that? i agree with his point, which is anti gun, separation of church and state, but he is dishonest in that clip.
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I'll check it out tonight.I actually don't begrudge Moore manipulating his footage or interviewees. The guy has a point and knows how to communicate it efficiently with often admirable results. Most doco makers do the exact same thing - they just don't have Moores' level of (self-inflicted) scrutiny. Unless the footage begins with the camera clicking on, doesn't cut away and ends with the interviewee getting into a cab and going home - best assume that some significant level of bias has seeped in. It's one of those "greater good" things. Richard Attenborough better hope those hyenas don't sue for condensing 4 days of hunting into one 10 minute stint!
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If you're going to argue the evidence based on your personal opinion, then there's no winning with you. However, bat this around: "Moore further claimed that the infamously long waiting lists in Canada are merely a reflection of the fact that Canadians have a longer life expectancy than Americans, and that the sterling system is swamped by too many Canadians who live too long.
Canada's media know better. In 2006, the average wait time from seeing a primary care doctor to getting treatment by a specialist was more than four months. Out of a population of 32 million, there are about 3.2 million Canadians trying to get a primary care doctor. Today, according to the OECD, Canada ranks 24th out of 28 major industrialized countries in doctors per thousand people." From this- http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2007/07/06/2007-07-06_more_lies_from_moore.html -
i agree. i enjoy his documentaries, agree with his points and like his style. to paraphse him he was saying once, sure it's biased, sure it takes side, but most of the media is right wing, can we just get our side out once in a while. fox lies all the time, look at the maladay thing. I like moore, but he is almost always disingenuous, and on rare occasions dishonest. that does not make him totally negative. it just means he is not a saint.
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