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Content ... Seriously, why are you such an asshole about the show? Everytime you post, you have these snide little comments that aren't so much critical as 'well, the show must be stupid if I don't personally like it, and I'll ignore the fact that half of my speculation is based on nothing but half-assed rationale that makes no sense considering the fact that this show - unlike Lost - does actually resolve plot-lines.'

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Content Problems with Heroes (only one needs fixing):<br/> 1) Crappy storyline, which is forgivable for a tv show about super heroes, but...<br/> 2) Crappy special effects which is NOT forgivable for this kind of show. Open up the purse strings NBC<br/> Fix #2 and no one will care about #1. <br/> Of course if they fix #1, then we'll forgive #2, but I don't think the writers have that in them. #2 just needs money thrown at it.

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Content She doesn't know him, so either that was a bad attempt at humour or you don't care enough to remember what happened on the show.

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Content The first season final was very nearly enough to disuade me from further watching. The entirity of the second season made me wish that I had followed my instincts. Yet there is a small glimmer of hope in my soul that the writers will finally understand the potential of their premise and that the third season will be good. Therefore, I shall watch this again for a third and possibly final time.<p>To the writers of "Heroes": Please do not let me down.

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Content I don't think Herc is being an "asshole" about anything for pointing out (just a very few) of the flaws with this show.

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Content Also no Elle and Bob? LAME

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Content Gotta admit, Heroes (especially after last season) gives you alot of ammo to shoot at it. I loved its first season, but unless they start writing smartly again this show isn't going to cut it for audiences who lapped-up The Dark Knight's intelligent handling of a comic-book superhero story.

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Content Even the great episodes had bad pacing so far, so THIS is a real improvement!

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Content I'm sure these is enough ammo, but Claire phoning Hiro? How is that an inconsistency? She doesn't know Hiro - and the run of breathtakingly ridiculous questions by Herc continues for nearly half a page. I'm the first to admit Maya bombed during S2, so I think Herc could have actually put out some real anti-Heroes ammo instead of 'wah, I don't understand this plotpoint from a show that does resolve plotpoints.'

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Content Yeah, I didn't love TDK. I'm sure that'll get me flamed, but the last half an hour was pathetic.

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Content but this sounds really bad, if i stumble across it i think i'll change the channel. It's just not worth the time anymore.

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Content and putting the extra small choker collar on Heroes. If I get even a whiff of last seasons stench then its gone.<p> The bad section in Herc's review has me concerned, its stinking something fierce, like a day old corpse under the desert sun.

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Content Last season was crappy except for the Kristen Bell parts and the HRG part. They better not fuck up.

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Content This is why X-MEN 2 was maybe the best comic adaptation ever. Not only was there nothing you'd want to change, not only was it well crafted on every level with fine chracterization, but it kept all the damn super powers straight and steady. No easy feat as this series attempts to illustrate apparently. But HEROES is better than most SciFi on the tube. Just hard to take it too seriously when they don't even follow their own rules and when they treat their audience like memory impaired morons.

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Content about characters in a show where anyone and everyone is brought back to life? S2 was beyond redemption and the strike somehow gave it an excuse. Still, eternally hoping against hope, will give this one a try.<p> I no longer except any awesomeness from Heroes. Flawed writing and convinient plot 'coincidences' seem to be as much part of the show as superpowers. Heroes, at best, is like a fan-fiction version of comic book stories. Would be a crime to expect any proficiency in writing.

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Content Sylar was a great 1st season baddie, but now he's redundant as are the rest of the Heroes. And please kill Peter. Sorry Milo, but your character is such a whiny baby. Hiro had the only interesting storyline, but it went on too long as was way too predictable. In fact, just stick them all in a car and send them off a cliff and create a storyline about a completely different group. Preferably not in New York. How about all from the baddies point of view, like "Wanted" should've been.

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Content Too bad the number two show never gets props around here. <br><br> *cough*SUPERNATURAL*cough* <br><br> But yeah, I hope this season is a return to form for Heroes. Have they announced Walter Koenig or Leonard Nimoy joining the cast yet? Because y'know they will.

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Content Peter & Sylar. No matter what the writers throw out, those 2 will always be able to solve/undo. These guys should have been their trump cards, the ultimate Heroes that the seasons worked towards. Also, does anyone else think this is a hugely missed opportunity? this show always felt like x-men pre-Xavier institute for me. Why isn't it anywhere near as great as it could be? Ah yes, the apologising 'I've never read a comic book' producer. Shermdawg: In its season premiere, Supernatural did everything Heroes needs to. It threw its 'this thing will always save anybody at anytime' card out of the window and introduced a war. Great things are afoot in that show.

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Content I downloaded it this morning and damn was it good. It looks to be a good season or maybe a bad season depending on how you look at it for the Winchester boys.<p> Added bonus AC/DC in the opening.

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Content which i forgot to do till tonite...there are pics with elle and bob...so they are still recurring....let me say what the real problem with the show is...kring...first off, he has no respect for the audience, lies about his experience with comics (ok, so you have a form of dyslexia, but please, dont tell me in all the years you have spent in hollywood, you havent run across any comic book projects) he lied about the mapping out of the series (it was apparent in year 2 that he was flying by the seat of his pants) and now, he is going to make the same mistake that fuller wouldve stopped him from making...reusing the days of future past...its a bad gimic and it helped to kill off star trek dsg...whatever, seems that there are only yes men who work on krings staff....me, im holding off on watching mad men and eureka....those two shows will fill up my mondays for the rest of the season

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Content acknowledging fans theories in the script (ie, that sylar eats brains) was a very nice touch

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Content worried? cable tv ran away with every major award on the emmy's...20 years ago, cable tv had to create its own awards show, so as to make performers and the creative people feel good about themselves...now, it is cable that has the quality shows, and soon the over the air networks may have to create their own new awards show...so why arent the execs sitting down and bumping skulls to see how they can improve the quality of the shit that they toss on the tube

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Content It's that damn good. I said it once and I will say it again. The Shield > Supernatural > any other tv show.

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Content why would this be any different?<p>That review didn't give me the warm fuzzies. I was hoping for Monica Bellucci type warmth, instead it may be The Bates type warm.

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Content My plan of action - watch the first hour, watch and tape the second. They need to hit the ground running and make fans believe their creative slump is over. They've had 9 months to think this through; for their sake, and NBC's as well, let's hooe they've turned the corner and are back to season 1 goodness.

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Content it's still better than the disappointing, stinkin' shit fest that BSG has become since mid-season 3. I'm more excited about this premiere than I have been about any other sci-fi in a while. Though, I will agree that last week's Supernatural kicked ass. Heroes just needs to trim the fat and get back to the tension of the first season.

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Content ... is that the same pedestrian, hokey bullshit doesn't get called out in Fringe pilot, which I think he was comparing favorably to the Twin Peaks pilot (standalone movie in international release). As for this show, they're definitely doubling down on puzzling, stupid bullshit. I don't see why any geek of note would come within 10 miles of this series.

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Content For the one-thousandth time in a Heroes talkback, a scar isn't the result of injury, it's the result of HEALING. If Peter had to quickly heal his face to keep his brain from escaping, it's doubtful he would've made sure the cut was perfectly aligned so that it would heal seamlessly. A scar makes perfect sense.<p> As for Sylar cutting out brains, I always thought the reason he did that was in case someone else developed his power, they wouldn't be able to copycat him by going after already claimed brains. It could also be he somehow knew (from Chandra?) that the brain is what controlled the powers, so it's possible someone with healing could recover if their brain was intact.

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Content stop bringing characters back to life, for fuck's sake! How can we ever get tense and sit on the edge of our metaphorical seats if we can be pretty sure our favorite character will be back after they're conveniently dosed with some Claire-blood? Just a plea, let people die and stay dead. It's better that way. Just think how much more we would've respected Buffy TVS as a series if we didn't have to go through seasons 6&7. If she would've stayed dead, we would have all sighed and thought, "It ended before its time." Not, as most of us did, "Just end it already."

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Content Anyone who thinks Season One was a ripoff of Watchmen either wasn't paying attention or has never read Watchmen. Linderman wasn't causing the mass murder in NYC like Veidt was. They were just going to take advantage of it, a plot device that goes back to Nero blaming Rome burning on the Christians.

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Content It's still better than 95% of the slop on TV right now.

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Content I believe he cuts out the brains because the brain plays some kinda controlling function in the heroes' powers. Somehow, he can see how the brain does it and mimic it. This is why, I believe, we always hear a ticking clock whenever he does his learning, because he's figuring out how the other person's power works and copying it like he would with the mechanism of a watch. Maybe you are right, but I think that's why.

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Content At least in terms of the healing power.

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Content ...The Emmy's no longer belong exclusively to the "Big 3" networks because, simply put, as network primetime is constantly trying to 'dumb itself down', cable networks spend more time trying to make intelligent shows. One of the reasons the first season of Heroes worked so well because it had some intelligence behind it that the audience loved. About a third into the season, however, you can almost see where it went from intelligent to "try to appease the masses". Cable stations (and I guess FX would be the biggest thorn in the network execs side because it is more available than HBO, SHOWTIME, etc) like FX like intelligent shows. And when I say 'intelligent' I just don't mean long character arcs. Shows like 'Always Sunny in Philadelphia' is brilliant satire that constantly pushes the edge and takes chances that a 'regular' network never would. Honestly, a network station gave a greenlight to "Cavemen" or whatever the hell that was. Christ, if giving the go-ahead to a sitcom based off of a commercial sponsor doesn't spell 'sell-out', than what does?

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Content I just got back from my second viewing of Dark Knight, and I came to the realization that after a groundbreaking reboot, the series has nowhere to go but down. Ledger's Joker is the greatest villain I've ever seen in a comic adaptation. It won't be topped anytime soon. He represents the anarchist genius, Lecter with a bazooka. He captures the apathy of true evil, creating death only as amusement. A mad and rabid dog, as was symbolized in the film. The devil. It won't be surpassed any time soon and why bother? The natural evolution of this series should now lead from man vs Devil to man vs God. That is the elemental conflict that was explored at the end of Miller's Dark Knight Returns. He knew that it was the only logical finale. The powerless human, armed only with his cunning, against a living God, who serves humanity but let's face it, is a bit out of touch. His innocence and naivety is a weakness that can turn him into weapon. I always liked the fact that Batman won that showdown in Returns. He is the underdog, so he tries harder. And it seemed realistic, as the biggest problem with Superman is that his flawless nature makes him a bit superficial. He's like the jock in high school who never had to work very hard for success. He needs to be brought down a notch, and who better to do it? Bust out the kryptonite gloves!

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Content No time like the present, yes?

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Content Or the Oscars, or the Tonys (well, maybe the Tonys). I mean who the fuck cares? Emmys don't make money for the networks (broadcast or cable). Like all reward shows, it's just an industry circle jerk.

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Content Since the first is getting mixed reviews. That will decide whether or not we're in for a great season, a so-so one, or one that will blow chunks. There is one person who will do their damndest to make The Butterfly Effect kickass. Hint - she's a Detroit Red Wings fan. :D

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Content there is no saving heroes

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Content I am so glad I stop watching. Where is it going? Oooooo, a new hero. Oooooo, another one. End of season. Oooooo. Thumbs up for Nakamura though :-)

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Content Are they finally revealing he has the power of !AWESOME! ?

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Content Fuck it. This show pissed me off with the finale of Season One, and the TERRIBLE Season Two. I'll watch it on my Roku when it ends up in the "Watch Now" section of Netflix. <p> The single most compelling reason to not watch? Peter "Fucking Idiot" Petrelli. My goodness, what a complete fuckhead he is! Sylar may be evil, but he's at least not a complete numbnuts. The character of Peter is so poorly developed, so fucking stupid, so contrived, that it's hard to buy anything this show sells when he's involved. <p> And personally, I'm sick of Claire. Fuck Claire and her family. I wish they'd have just killed off her stupid family in the first season. <p> Adding Veronia Mars last year was the last straw for me-- She was a pointless character played by a one-note actress. She, along with Peter and the Telemundo Twins, spoiled the series for me. <p>BAD WRITING IS KRING'S SUPER POWER!

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Content Not even gonna bother to watch this crap.

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Content Teleporting reboots, uncanny similarities to very popular comic runs, deus ex machina blood, and now a terrigen mist potion?!<P>I'll give it three episodes then this fanboy is likely out.

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Content and it's impossible not to snicker. This show is the lamest thing going.

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Content Isn't such a good idea, considering how much season 2 stunk.

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Content until I watch it, tonight or maybe sometime tomorrow, or just when the hell I feel like sitting down that long.

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Content Heroes is badly written without everyone writing it knowing how it will develop or end. This shows in every scene. Just when you think you know some of the cool characters they are dead or gone. WTF? I don't watch this crap anymore. I stil watch LOST because it feels like there is a plan behind all episodes. Heroes to me feeled like an endless 'pull out of the ass' show.

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Content Exactly... if I remember correctly, there were supposed to be three heroes that died in the S2 finale.<p> 1. Maya... who was brought back to life several minutes later.<p> 2. Nikki... who is somehow back this season?<p> 3. Nathan... who is also brought back this season?<p> 4. Adam... who was buried alive and could very well come back.<p> .<p> So, no one died in the season finale last year? Wow... nice organization there, NBC!<p> As said by Damon Lindelof, "no one dies on that fucking show."

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Content That's all I saw when they showed this at comic-con. Rolling eyes... ..with the occasional person on their labtop (i.e. me)

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Content All shows that I watch on Monday nights, but I couldn't tell you which one was better quality-wise. I'll probably watch Heroes live and then download whatever other ones I miss. At least The Shield is on Tuesdays, and Supernatural is on later in the week. Still need to watch that premiere...

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Content If you remove the gravest threat that can befall any character on the show, nobody will buy NBC's promos saying 'x number of Heroes won't survive', when in fact they usually do, thanks to the reset buttons Kring has. And this is a fan of the show who realizes that. <p> Of course, if Elle is killed off, I will be the first one yelling for a reset button to keep her around.

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Content You know how GOOD Heroes would have beem if they had just made it a one season story and changing the season 1 finale to reflect it ?<p> <p>Now they are just writing and rewriting themselves out of holes.<p> <p>Yeah, comic book plots and sci-fi use time travel and coming back from the dead as plot devices, but not every 5 minutes.<p> <p>Hell, I too will give it one last chance tonight but after abandoning Supernatural near the beginning of Season 2 it would seem I should have stuck with that rather than Heroes painfull Season 2.

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Content Kring will strut around like he had something to do with it<p> Forum backlash will be unbelievable<p> And numbers will STILL be big next week<br> People will tune in just to bitch about it afterwards<p> It's a real sick cycle

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Content for the first half of the first season. I was gripped. Now I half watch it and find it utterly forgettable. It's a real shame. The lack of FX I can accept. There are two things that have nearly killed it. First it seems there's so little thought put into the character's abilities. They had to dial back Hiro's abilities as soon as they realized they'd overpowered him, Peter's horribly unbalanced, and both of those situations have been written really badly. Secondly, nobody ever dies. Ever. Or rather they just pop back to life in the next scene. It robs the show of any sense of threat. I await season three with utter indifference.

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Content they don't need the actor anymore<br> Anytime they need to, some of his paintings or drawings will turn up wharehoused somewhere<br>

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Content Both Peter and Sylar have his ability

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Content And that is people expected Heroes to hit the ground running in season two, but instead got a slow build. LOST Season Two, and Three for that matter, had better execution but were similarly flawed in that way. It looks as if both shows have learned from those mistakes and now are moving at a faster pace.

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Content Peter locked in a metal box and in England maybe in a bar and Veronica Mars was in it, but otherwise, though I'm sure I watched the entire season, nothing... Nathan assassinated?

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Content A potion that gives people powers? If this potion turns out to have only a 50/50 chance of working that either gives you powers or kills you, then they might as well just go ahead and finish the storyline to The 4400. I am dying to know what became of Promise City!

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Content you may say that networks dont care about the emmy's...but when one of their shows wins, they quickly create commercials touting that fact...heroes lifted more than one plot device from watchmen, and i really dont have a problem with that, except kring continues to state that he has never heard of watchmen (well loeb and sale have, and if they dont talk, that is a problem) this year, they will be lifting from xmen and the 4400....but im sure kring has never heard of those either, or rising stars, or wild cards...shit, for a writer, he sure as shit doesnt read much and doesnt do any research into whatever project he is working on...that is just lazy....i have my issues with lost, but i have to admit, the writers on that show work damn hard, and have no problem at all listing off their influences (the show is basically the side story of the island from watchmen, which is a damn cool concept)if i were an nbc studio exec, i would give the show 6 epis....if the ratings start to fall, i would immediatly fire kring and hire jeh and let him work his magic

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Content Which might make major noise at next year's Oscars. He'd be a good choice, IMO.

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Content a good superhero story. Most seasoned writers can write some form of 'hero' story maybe featuring a doctor or fireman or cop. But writing a really good 'super' hero story requires particular skills that many writers simply don't have. This isn't a slam on writers who can't write superhero stories. It's something you either have or don't have. First and foremost, since it's in the "science fiction and fantasy" category, a rudimentary understanding of science is important. Most super powered heroes are going to somehow affect the laws of physics and to a lesser extent, biology and chemistry. Whether it's understanding time travel paradoxes, the law of conservation of mass, or understanding how friction and heat apply to a fast moving person, the more a writer understands these things and can constrain the hero's powers to these principles, (often) the better the story. These are often dismissed by many as "minor" details that people don't care about, but it's these minor details that often distinguish a good Superhero writer and a bad one. Put another way, it's about seeing how well the writer is able to incorporate the super power into our reality. The more a story associates itself with our reality, the more we expect the power and the Hero to adhere to the laws of the real world (conversely, the less it associates with reality, the less we expect it to adhere to our laws eg: Star Wars). For example, there's a difference between setting the story in Gotham vs New York City or even having the hero dress up in a costume vs walking around in street clothes. Next, the writer must have a highly logic oriented mind. How the power is applied, when it's applied, the nature of the power, the consequences and the string of events that follow etc requires a mind that isn't going to get lost in the logic requirements as the power is applied in the story. And the checks of logic takes constant vigilance as each word is written. Everyone thinks they're smart and logical but a surprising number are not. This is why we get huge plot holes and "why didn't he just do this or that?" questions. A few questions now and then are inevitable but the more questions and the more obvious the issue the more it destroys the world the writer created. Lastly - and people might argue this point - but I think a good superhero writer needs to love the genre. The good stories are born from people who are constantly thinking in the perspective of a superhero throughout the day. Looking at ordinary or extraordinary situations and thinking how the hero would act, dreaming about huge battles with enemies and thinking about situations that best challenge the hero. You can almost sense the writer's passion in the really good stories. This means writers who have read or at least watched superhero stories growing up. I think there're people (...) who think it's sufficient to take cool ideas and some random powers and string them together into a story. That's the feeling I get watching Heroes. some good ideas, horrible execution. Just really bad writing.

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Content Expecting the worst.

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Content But it was still better than Heroes S2. Might I remind all of you that LOST S2 introduced us to Desmond and Ben?

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Content The best scenes were the ones with either Adam or Elle in them. You know this to be true...

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Content Bacci40, it would behoove NBC to intervene if the ratings go south again. This is one of their flagship shows, and last time I checked, they were 4th in the broadcast network ratings for last season. They NEED Heroes to somehow counteract Dancing with the Has-Beens, Never-Weres and Never-Will-Bes.

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Content On another website. I didn't feel he was as much of a threat to humanity in season 2 as Sylar was in S1. It's not like he could cook up a black hole that would swallow the earth or something. He had the gift of gab, and a better-written Peter Petrelli would have seen right through it.

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Content Speaking of NBC being fourth, I would love to see ABC give this show a great timeslot and the advertising it deserves and watch it crush one of NBC's new sitcoms in the ratings. I know people either love or hate this show, but I happen to love it, and NBC was constantly giving it the shaft.

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Content I just liked the character, not the villain... He SUCKED as a villain.

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Content Cos I got up and walked away during the season 2 finale cos I DID NOT GIVE A SHIT anymore. First season was great until they fumbled the ball at the end- everyone took a turn fighting while the rest waited for theirs. The you have Jessica attacking Silar, not knowing who he is or even that he was the villain. Season 2 bored the life out of me. Who cared? Seriously. One more chance. If my butt stays on the seat for this episode, I'll give it another chance.

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Content Heroes is entertaining but it is severely over-rated.

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Content These two episodes sound like a huge fucking mess. The plot sounds unfocused.

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Content replying in the Emmy talkback. So if that persists tonight, it's not like I bailed on you guys, just that I couldn't connect to here.

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Content Chasing that dragon, even though I know I'll never catch it...

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Content I'll be tuning into the vastly superior Sarah Connor Chronicles instead.

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Content But nooo, don't put up my review, that's fine. Anyway, if anyone cares, go google it, it's in the talkbacks. The more I think about it, the more of a travesty this episode will be.

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Content Sorry,but you know this to be true! just a boring convoluted mess of a story line arc that almost rehashed season 1. bad new characters. story arcs that went on far too long,and anybody that died,came back to life! season 1 reminded me about the secret wars w sylar as the beyonder,on a lesser scale. season 1 had promise,but all that went down the toilet,and sorry,the writers strike had nothing to do with it. ease up on the time travelling btw! oh,and Lost owns even though it's completely different. may peace be found to all who seek it. namaste

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Content So Linderman can regenerate his own brain tissue now? Never mind that gray matter doesn't regenerate. This show is starting to look like the hospital scene in Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. Why don't we just bring everyone back while we're at it?

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Content So the writers are still ignoring powers that will easily solve their contrived plots? Great, so they haven't fixed anything. And their idea of villains is evil twins. Great. No imagination here. At this point, stupidity is Peter's kryptonite. Poor kid cannot remember anything. He should so have gone Wolverine on us by now, instead he's doughnut rolling his way through the Hero-verse like Keanu-Neo at him most dimwitted. And of course, none of this will end with a hero-villain showdown in Times Square with Dinosaurs, samurai swords, and laser eye-blasts, will it? No? Fuck it all then.

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Content They aired it because, up here in Canada, we run programs from Fox/ NBC / CBS all on a single station (it's chosen by the network) and tonight at 8 Global airs Prison Break and 2 hrs of Heroes at 9, so they had to slot the recap show somewhere. I only saw about 4 minutes of it - basically it's set up during the premiere of the S.3 Heroes with all the actors decked out in pusedo-Oscar finery and cut to oh-so-quirky promo bits about all the characters from S.1 and S.2 (more S.1 cause it was better) with a trifling of S.3 clips thrown in. Felt very self-congratulatory but I did get a kick out of it for about 3 minutes. An hour of it would drive me nuts. But, yeah, some people may enjoy it.

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Content the girl has muscles, but is built like a 10 year old boy...and she is a midget...her 12 year old bro is taller than her...

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Content Season Two REALLY let me down..no, fuck that...the last 3 episodes of SEASON ONE really let me down. Season 2 was just more of the same. You can build all the intrigue you want, but if you don't ever deliver...you're nothing but a flashy show. This show proved it can't live up to it's own hype with the season one finale....<br><br> ALSO....it's a BIG DEAL that they keep on fucking up who can and cannot use their powers or keep writing themselves into corners....<br><br>that's called CONSISTENCY people...this show lacks it big time. <br><br>Ah well.

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Content First of all, there is a difference between HEROES and LOST -- one makes for terrible TV and the other doesn't. Yes, both can be accused of having meandering plots, but at least LOST manages to knock it out of the park with particular bits or character centric episodes that make you sit back and say "Wow! That totally rocked! Maybe this show IS going someplace. I think I'll give it yet another try next week."<p>HEROES hasn't had that going for it since about the 3/4 mark of Season 1 and the sad truth is that everyone can now look back and pretty much see it. You can literally go back and see where the show started to degenerate. And the biggest problem was that it came out of the gate strong, at which point Kring and NBC decided "Hey, we got ourselves a Hit!" -- and then they made the critical mistake that too often gets made in TV: they decided the fans would never go away, which meant they could play now things safe so they could milk this cow for as long as they could. After all, if it's a hit you don't want to ever shake things up. So now we have a boring show with little effects work and plot points that are not only dragged out, but the internal continuity doesn't even make sense anymore. Truth be told, HEROES is comic book storytelling on the most hack like level.<p>Want further proof of that? Up above Hobocode nailed it when he said: "One look at Hayden in her "evil" outfit and it's impossible not to snicker." And that's really the truth. She does look fucking ridiculous. Does anyone actually buy her as a "bad" girl? She looks fucking silly. When HEROES premiered it felt fresh, now it just feels like a BAD comic book stunt sale -- "Oooh look! Buy this issue because this hero becomes evil this issue! Oooh look! Buy this issue because a team member will die!"...and of course, as all comic fans know, there's always a reset button that sets things right back.<p>Kring blew it with HEROES by never realizing that if they got 3-4 years out of the show (which the ratings and success from S1 pretty much gave him the ammunition towards) that would be pretty damn good. Which meant they should have been looking to mix things up and keep everyone guessing -- but instead as in typical TV they decided that's exactly what they WOULDN'T do because Heaven forbid you upset the "hit" qualities. So good going, Kring and NBC. You went from being a fresh hit to incredibly TIRED and STALE practically overnight.

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Content I see it an hour before any of y'all, so expect mild spoilers and thoughts as we go along.<p> I'll put up spoiler alerts if needed.

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Content IT HAS SEVERAL LAYERS OF REDUNDANCIES<p> Gezuse dewd, grow some balls<br> You can't tell a story and keep it static.<p> Say what you want about Whedon or ol' dubba jay or the fuckers writing BSG or Lost, they can kill a character.<br> A much loved or hated char.<br> They can let go and move the story forward.<p> Oh, he killed DL.<br> Yeah, the only guy who was on top of his powers, dies a punk death.<br> I don't have a problem with DL dying. Didn't like the character, don't care much for the actor.<br> But the character was written and played as the most compentent with his powers.<br> I'm guessing somewhere down the line Nikki and Hiro are going to get reset blood and revive their loved ones.<p> This whole show has become pointless.<br> The company will have bottomless wells of Adam blod scattered around the globe.<br> And Clair will be on hand for the quick fix.<p> Way to blow a potentially good story.<p> Just because your afraid of change

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Content I be fraids of dem spoilerz...remember I'm on the West Coast (either Seattle or LA, Seattle currently) and so I am WAY late on this. but I'm watching at a friend's house and bringing my macbook. so I will be down like whoa!<p>hey, they played my short film on CNN again this weekend. booyakasha! <p>doesnt' Xiphos hate Heroes now? I remember he was pretty angered by a lot of the flaws from last season. (or as I refer to it, "Diet Heroes".<p>bring back Bryan Fuller! someone else can do pushing daisies!<p>chrth knows the future.<p>Prof. Ikamono has the power of flame, and he only uses it for good! ;o)<p>Ororo has the power of invisibility 9 months of the year!<p>Pennsy wields the sacred sword of Kech-Fraiz!<p>OK, I'm done...

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Content Let's hope this season doesn't suck donkey parts.<p> Did you catch your girl on Leno last week?

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Content Screw Dax, I say! :) <p> Saw her not just on Leno, where if looks could kill, Dane Cook would be a corpse right now with his handjob comment while Kristen described what Elle does, but Craig Ferguson, too. They have a great chemistry together that really shined through.

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Content If Hiro hasn't grown up by now....<p> It was cute and fun in the begining, but wer're 1.5 arcs and several losses later

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Content ;) <p> Nice to see the old gang reuniting. May the episodes be as entertaining, if not moreso, than the talkback (the reverse of the Emmys, which are looking to be the lowest-rated EVAH).

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Content *It was because of the writers strike. We couldn't go where we wanted to. And now we're having to try and play catch up*

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Content They've had SEVEN MONTHS - that's 210-odd days, to get this right. No effing excuses will be accepted. Not now.

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Content they didn't get to air, what they needed to tlll.<p> *We were cut short. All kinds of thigs were going to happen, but we had to condense.<p> Hiro was going to travel 5000 years back into the past and help Jesus build the pyramids while riding dinosaurs* etc, etc

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Content Future Peter and Dolphin Girl are cool. Everyone else is still semi-boring.<p> Maya is actually hotter than last year.

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Content The entire scene with sylar and haiden is like a bad horror movie.

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Content redefines the term *Skull Fuck*

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Content http://tinyurl.com/4drmno

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Content Interesting season 3 preview.

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Content Simply put, there are no stakes in this show. Everybody's got super powers that conveinently save them from everything. Every character who dies comes back - often multiple times. Shows like Buffy, Lost, and Galactica have consequences when they pull big twists. Heroes just treats them like gimmicks and moves on like nothing ever happened. It's a network TV hack's piss-poor imitation (and plagiarism) of popular comic books without a shred of substance. Each episode is the equivilant of the lazy writing in Spider-man 3 amped up 10x.

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Content and it is soooo superior<p> Bet it has 1/4 the budget

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Content Das right. Re-spect.

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Content Do we really need a hour of the network telling us how cool their show is? >click< Monday Night Football!

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Content Suresh is an backboneless idiot. Is he suppose to some kind of moral compass?

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Content And after reading what Herc wrote it sounds like a stinker.

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Content Milo Vermicelli is banging Hayden Pantytroll in rl<p> Gossip sites have him as being real upset that she won't move in with him.<p> He's 30+, she's like 18.<p> Lippy needs a reality fix

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Content the audience was informed from day one that when characters died, they would stay dead...

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Content milo is like 32...so what?

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Content And some how or another, her breasts are there with her

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Content Pardon me, if something is flawed, how can you not be bored? If it is flawed, attention must be distracted. If you are not bored, there can be no flaws. Just curious.

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Content I want to see what he has in store for Hiro when he gets out

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Content the gulf between 18 and like 19 is light years and stuff

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Content So he just really really slows down time? Reference to Speeder Girl

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Content Longshot from X-Men?

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Content These folks are doing a great job

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Content Here we go. And fingers x'd.

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Content if the person is over 18 what is the big deal? sure, emotionally im stuck at 15...but so is milo

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Content Simple, as best we can tell , he can only access one power at a time. He was doing something else when he got it and could not fix.

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Content Like a My Little Pony smoking a joint.

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Content See? Claire's blood - nowheres to be found! ;)

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Content a permenant loss is poignant

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Content she's barely out of high school<p> But, Hey!<p> Old enough to Bleed! Old enough to Breed!<p> He ought to play with girls in his own age group

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Content But nice touch with the "I told you not to look in the safe!" George Takei rocks.

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Content Seriously I'm sure most people after finding out their little sister's boyfriend is thirteen years wouldn't go out and beat the living hell out of the guy. I can't blame Milo too much, though. Everyone likes 18 year old girls, it doesn't mean we shouldn't get pummelled for following through. Totally worth it I'm sure.

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Content Women are at their most magnificent in their 30's<p> When you reach 45, you'll realize that.<p> No get off my fucking lawn

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Content About Penny - I know and a shame what happened to her. If only she could be a regular on there. <p>And IMO, The Sarah Connor Chronicles is much better than Heroes.

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Content thats what passes for zeks in the Kring household<p> Wham, Bam, Skull, Fuck, Yoy Mam

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Content uber lame. i'm severely disappointed.

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Content but Dania Ramirez is actually fair here. A gazillion % improvement; she's no K-Bell, though.

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Content If I had hemeroids, they'd all be pinched off now

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Content It's cuz her dialogue isn't total shit. She's not a bad actress at all, just almost her entire screentime last season was wasted in one of the worst realized story arcs I've ever seen.

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Content Are you insane? That was good? Herc, you just lost a lot of respect from me. What a horrible horrible line. I cant stand this show anymore. I'm through.

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Content Sorry haters. That first hour was fun. Good, mindless fun.

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Content I'm growing really tired of just the basic asthetic of this show. It's possibly the most pretentious thing on TV...it's coming to the point where 'requiring' your viewers to sit through five minutes of plot in an hour long show becomes bullying...and how in the world is being bullied entertaining? They said this episode was going to move faster, and i suppose more is going on, but for the love of God, it is NOT getting anywhere in the story faster. It's just frusterating to watch TV that doesnt feel the need to actually tell an intirguing story...I'm about to give up on this...

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Content This is on for another hour! I'm done for the night haha...back to my Freaks and Geeks (picked it up at HMV for $35.99 Canadian) - why has it been so bloody expensive? On to episode 11...

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Content was invented for idiots. Though usually reserved by Bay apologists, it's good to see the myopic Heroes fanboys running that flag up the pole again.

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Content Nathan seems like a pretty reasonable guy. I don't think he'd want to destroy the future. Ha. Seems rather easy. How dumb. Kills his own brother without even trying to negotiate.

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Content And Michigan's best actress is warming up in the bullpen.

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Content The second hour is actually a fair bit better.

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Content i HATE it when a show introduces some stupid serum that give/takes away powers from the people who've really got them. it never works and is a cliche and ruins the whole premise of the show. case in point (a movie): X-MEN 3. and every other show that had a plot point where the hero had their powers taken away. Powers SHOULD NOT be able to come and go that easily unless there was something like kryptonite. That's what makes them special. LAME. I'M SO PISSED AT THIS SHOW RIGHT NOW. Back to form? MY ASS.

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Content (sung to the tune of Spiderman) Spiderman- Spiderman<<br> You ain't no fuckin Spiderman<br> Try as hard as you can<br> You ain't no fuckin no Spiderman

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Content giggity! giggity!...thank you come again! ..the yeats poem, fwiw"<br><br> "Turning and turning in the widening gyre<br> The falcon cannot hear the falconer;<br> Things fall apart; the center cannot hold;<br> Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,<br> The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere<br> The ceremony of innocence is drowned;<br> The best lack all conviction, while the worst<br> Are full of passionate intensity.<br> <br> Surely some revelation is at hand;<br> Surely the Second Coming is at hand.<br> The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out<br> When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi<br> Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert<br> A shape with lion body and the head of a man,<br> A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,<br> Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it<br> Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.<br> The darkness drops again; but now I know<br> That twenty centuries of stony sleep<br> Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,<br> And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,<br> Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?"<br> <br> Joe Biden probably shouldn't make dunkin donut racial cracks about hindis around Dr. Mohinder..I feel Suresh's inner Ghandi is gone, baby, gone!

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Content KRISTEN BELL IN THE HOUSE, BEEYOTCHES! :D

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Content That is all. I still fucking hate him, though.

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Content Conscious homage or not? I'm saying conscious.

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Content weirdness prevails, the stuff thet wat in the body ess in the title? Ehh, huh

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Content The lack of coherent or even legible comments in this talkback is infinitely worse than any bad dialogue Kring can throw at us.

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Content Greatest American Hero dude! Suddenly I'm on top of the world!

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Content (sung to the tune of Spiderman)<p> Spiderman, Spiderman<Br> You ain't no fucking Spiderman<p> Blah blah blah<p> the rest lost in the server hicup

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Content Claire bitching about feeling like a "freak" again?....the answer is no....no we don't.

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Content So Peter can travel back in time but not one hour earlier so he can just say, "Hey I'm from the future so don't give that speech, bro?"<br><br>And where is Nathan's wife and kids? Did they just disappear?

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Content why do i still watch this show? BRING ON LOST!

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Content Nikki is dead....but the REAL Jessica seems to be alive and well....and totally into politics.

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Content Lemme get this straight. If I don't mind a show for being silly and goofy I'm an idiot? Dude, get a life. Some of the best Superman stories had Lex Luthor on a living on a planet called Lexor for God's sake. Watch Take the Money and Run. Try to enjoy the 4th Dr. Not everything is Brecht.

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Content My ass. Bell should be a series regular. Just five episodes? Bummer deluxe

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Content He doesn't have to remove brains. He needs to study them to see how the power works. I'm pretty sure this was established in S1. In most cases, that would be fatal, and likely easier if the brain were removed, but in Claire's case, he can study the brain without killing her.

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Content I'm having VM flashbacks!

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Content bring on the veronica mars movie bitches!

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Content That's what she said, Sylar. Wow.

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Content Sylar is now officially my hero! lol

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Content becaue then the story wouldn't be badly written would it?<p> You should be happy young man.<p> Back in my day all we had to look forward to was dogs lickin themselves<p> But then that was more unpredictable than this shit

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Content hiro is the villain in the future vision. duh. i just saved everyone a whole season.

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Content they think we are

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Content and I keep getting told by fellow viewers how Heroes is so much better than Smallville. After season 2 and what I've seen tonight, I've doubting those people. It seems to me this show is falling into Smallville territory

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Content Have you not listened to a word Mrs. Hawking has said. It is the Desmond Dilemma"<br> <br> "Had I warned him about the scaffolding, tomorrow he'd be hit by a taxi. Had I warned him about the taxi, he'd fall in the shower and break his neck. The universe, unfortunately, has a way of course-correcting. That man was supposed to die; that was his path. Just as it's your path to go to the island. You don't do it because you choose to, Desmond. You do it because you're supposed to..." <br><br> Change one thing and another thing will happen. The Universe, Herc, has a way of...course correcting. <br><br> Oooooooh, nice...instant freeze pop! Nikki is a cold cold...well.

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Content *THERE ARE ***** LIGHTS!*

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Content Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week.

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Content an advertisement for.... ONE DOLLAR COINS? give me some of that!

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Content the blood heals from death<p> Poindexter has the cheerleaders healing factor<p> He ain't even daid.<p> There is no scar<p> Within the rules they set down<p> There can be no scar

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Content mohinder fucked a reptile and now he got scales.

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Content Stop shedding like that, Doh!hinder.

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Content Dude's a scientist. Shouldn't he have a henchmonkey or something?

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Content Chapter and verse. "My... ear..."

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Content peter thinks the scar makes him look bad ass so he uses one of the kajillion powers he has to make a scar that won't go away.

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Content Was he built like that last season?

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Content When I saw Mohinder hanging from the ceiling I was like, "They aren't going to rip off The Fly, are they?" Well now it looks like they almost certainly are. That's some creativity there...

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Content Of course there can, the rules are only the rules we know. It's entirely possible that someone's super power can cause that scar, someone we haven't met yet.

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Content I'm suprised he didnt offer him some Stride gum cough*Smallville Territory*cough

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Content Well, the PTB just did some such all right now if they are smart enough to cast Ntare Mwine. Powerful actor.

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Content now they have a magneto on the show? marvel should sue!! or is it dc... i don't really know.

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Content we got to get together so you can grope me in the dark and i reply *no! sleep time*

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Content Shameless product placement there.

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Content sylar and peter and nathan are brothers? lame plot point that i bet they JUST came up with.

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Content "They never told you what happened to your mother." "They told me enough!" "No, I am your mother!"

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Content that was embarsing<p> and they tried sooooo hard

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Content and there have been people with powers as far back as 1671, then shouldn't a huge percentage of the population have powers?

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Content I'd vote for them.

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Content Most of you will still watch. Still better than half the bullshit on tv.

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Content is hot...i'd bang her...and kristin bell...i'd bang her too.<p> Peter already is screwing with time hell why stop now...just bounce around till you get it right..but then what show would we have? And if peter is inside that spanish dude...where the hell is the spanish dude?

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Content is being a bastard mother. Ew...that kinda makes the Sylar/Claire thing slightly incestuous! Then again, there's already that with the Peter/Claire thing, so I guess it runs in the family.

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Content Which is a good thing. Give it a chance, folks. It may turn out good.

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Content get more face bumps in the off season? maybe just less makeup in this live pre-show crap. Back to football...

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Content as I called in the first season. I keep trying to stop watching it but I keep getting pulled back in! (by family who still watch it and have it on. I would have happily quit halfway through season 1 and never looked back.)<br> <br> I almost shot milk out my nose when Mrs. Petrelli said she was sylar's mom. True or not, it's a real stupid attempt at "twist" never the less

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Content and there is nothing else that draws my attention.<p> I might not change the channel.<p> Same 'ol' same ol'<p> yawhn

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Content Sylar he's from her womb.

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Content Nathan is gonna start a cult movement that uses acquisition of Superpowers as a central feature and the formula stabilizes Suerresh's formula and it's all gonna be solved by Nathan shoving his until she falls down, and is defeated, right?<br> <br> Heroes be lame.

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Content im gonna be all over this tb like stank on a ballsack. Too bad most people wont give a fuck by then. It really is a good thing there's all these people here to remind me how bad they hate Heroes. <br><br>

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Content At least better than season 2 imo.<p>A bi-polar medication ad...really?<p>

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Content you just can't help but watch. It's like a goddamn daytime spanish soap opera with super powers. Who cares that the writing and acting from half the cast (Greg Grunberg, Masi Oka and Adrian Pasdar deserve to be on better shows) is bad? this show is so hilariously absurd i'm watching just to see what crazy twist they do next.

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Content Yes, the writing has been awful & spotty at best, but part of the problem is that: 1. You have a show where everybody has godlike superpowers, rendering them nigh invincible - especially characters like Sylar, Hiro, and Peter (and, to a lesser extent, Claire). This makes it easy to fall into massive plotholes like the ones Herc mentioned. The characters are just too all-powerful, instead of having more contained powers like Matt Parkman, Magneto, or Elle. When you're an immortal, time-traveling, mind-reading, fire shooting, teleporting, flying superhero, all possibilities for a real challenge go out the window. Plots become strained and illogical because characters like this can solve matters in 5 minutes, then be home for dinner. 2. The writers pull their punches. Major characters they kill NEVER die, and they're too scared to move on from older season plots (like the Season 1 Sylar thing; Sylar is STILL the bogeyman...yawn). Therefore, there is no credibility in the peril these characters are in; added to Point #1 above, this eliminates tension. They need to start hitting hard like Lost & 24 (well, 24 in its better seasons) and progress from tired storylines into new territory. Enough with the paper company, enough with Sylar, enough with Mohinder & Maya.

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Content In two different alternate realities? Why did he say he couldn't kill Claire even if he wanted to? Am I just being too literal?

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Content One more for the cheap seats <br><br> "I just got back from my second viewing of Dark Knight, and I came to the realization that after a groundbreaking reboot, the series has nowhere to go but down. Ledger's Joker is the greatest villain I've ever seen in a comic adaptation. It won't be topped anytime soon. He represents the anarchist genius, Lecter with a bazooka. He captures the apathy of true evil, creating death only as amusement. A mad and rabid dog, as was symbolized in the film. The devil. It won't be surpassed any time soon and why bother? The natural evolution of this series should now lead from man vs Devil to man vs God. That is the elemental conflict that was explored at the end of Miller's Dark Knight Returns. He knew that it was the only logical finale. The powerless human, armed only with his cunning, against a living God, who serves humanity but let's face it, is a bit out of touch. His innocence and naivety is a weakness that can turn him into weapon. I always liked the fact that Batman won that showdown in Returns. He is the underdog, so he tries harder. And it seemed realistic, as the biggest problem with Superman is that his flawless nature makes him a bit superficial. He's like the jock in high school who never had to work very hard for success. He needs to be brought down a notch, and who better to do it? Bust out the kryptonite gloves!"<br><br> Except for the 'Clark as a cocky jock' bit, you got my vote.

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Content But now Kristen only has four episodes left before she says bye-bye. :((((( And it'll be the show's loss.

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Content after heroes and the new st movie<p> You will never see him again<p> Heroes inertia will last until next season<br> But thats it for this pathetic mess

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Content The more it makes sense that Hiro was evil in that future and Ando was the good guy. Because Ando has AWESOME powers and he cannot become a villain.

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Content There aren't words to describe the terrible-ness of what they did to the show. After not missing an episode for 1.5 years I think i'm done. Maybe if i'm bored after chuck I'll catch up once in awhile. Makes me sad!

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Content I think the reason Peter doesn't go back and stop Sylar from capping Claire, is because he's worried about something worse happening in its wake. Time travel is the least worrysome reset button on the show.

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Content you can't possibly want to give this tripe any kind of credibility.<p> Is there big phat cheque in this?<p> The heroes brand name carries a lot of weight, they gotta be throwing money around. Carears on the line.<p> Product Placment baby!.<p> Don't empower this shit.

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Content Seriously. Time travel should not even be ATTEMPTED unless you fully understand what you're doing with the story. Because you write yourself into so many fucking corners that it's IMPOSSIBLE to get yourself out of it. <p>On top of that, can the heroes ever stop a threat in the, I don't know, PRESENT? Christ almighty. Why must we always SEE the "potential future" when we KNOW that it's not going to be what happens anyway. <p>That being said, I was actually entertained. Season 2 bored the living shit out of me. I was watching and nothing was happening. At least this year shit is happening, even if it's poorly written shit that's happening. I enjoyed it, I was entertained, and I will continue watching. <p> There just seems to be no focus. Despite the fact they had months off to prepare for this, things seem to be buckling under its own ambitions. Oh well. Let's see where this goes.

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Content My InuYasha movie box set arrived. For 4 weeks I won't be tempted to watch this.<br> I just wish the series would reach some kind of sane price.<p> (Wadda ya think? am I selling it or do I really like InuYasha?)<p> iow there are far better soaps out there<br> By people that *get it*

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Content what ever happened to her? did Peter just leave her in the future?

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Content He did worse than that. He left her in a future that he eventually prevented, thus possibly erasing her very existence.

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Content You totally hit upon the exact reason I watch this garbage. I always want to see just which X-Men books they're ripping off this week. This show is godawful. Herc was right, they never pay attention to what has come before or that the characters even have powers most of the time. That scene between Elle and Old Lady Petrelli was ridiculous. If the show was honest with itself, this is how the scene would have gone: Old Lady: You're fired, blondie. Elle: Eat lightning, bitch! <BUZZZZZZ! SIZZZLE!> At least when Wolverine and Cyclops would get into arguments, Logan had the decency to pop his claws, you know, because that's what he does. So, in watching the last 10 minutes and preview of next week, it looks like that, yes, they are indeed turning Suresh into Spider-Man and that there is a character called "The German" who "controls magnetic energy." Word? Was he a Holocaust survivor too, or would that have DEFINITELY brought a lawsuit from Marvel? Lame.

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Content Damn that was the shit. LOVED it. Not perfect, but riveting and involving and it drew me in the whole time. And MEGATON ending. Fucking awesome.

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Content That was just one of the many story flaws of Season Two. A related flaw was Peter's willingness to believe Adam's assurances that preventing the future that he had left the girl in would ultimately reunite the two of them. <p>It's funny. In Season One, Peter was an intelligent and very well developed character. If you ask me, the LEGITIMATE Heroes story ended in that moving episode wherein Noah sacrifices all of his memories of his daughter Claire and then allows himself to be non-lethally shot just to protect her. The ILLEGITIMATE stories began with the next episode, which *gasp* revealed that the Hatian had only erased Noah's most recent memories of Claire.

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Content Don't know who the hell the other Hiro was???

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Content I agree with all your gripes except this one. With the other victims, he took their brains home with him so he could take his time in studying them...this time he was bleeding to death and had to do his work on the spot. Basically, he either tries to figure her out right there on the spot, or he dies.

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Content How did John almost get killed this week? Oh yeah, he didn't realize he was the target AGAIN! When is he going to stop being a dumbass? Wait, he was also there becasue mommy didn't trust him with important information again? When is she going to stop being a dumbass? Wait, isn't David Green supposed to keep them all from being Dumbass Victims? When is he going to stop being a dumbass? Wait, why would Willownater stop to watch the guy doing the robot? When will she stop being a dumbass?

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Content Jin is to alive on Lost. Red Lightning!!! He's on a mission the whole time, knowing that Hiro will fall to the darkside. The red color is a Star Wars illusion to throw off the overobservant nerdish types.

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Content about any of these characters? Once you can heal and time travel... you can work your way out of anything. It's called LAZY WRITING. When is lost back?

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Content she got detained and then what? sent to Guantanamo? shouldn't Peter be more concerned about that?

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Content I think moms gonna smack the cocky prick out of him.<p> iow I think he's been relying on a false aura of invulnerability.<br> And a whole lotta luck.<p> Remember the guy suffers from survivors guilt from somthing that hasn't even happened yet.<p> Get over it John!

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Content That would keep his character interesting. Sylar needs to pick and choose what powers he steals; one too many powers and he overdoses.<p><p>Put the "characters" in jeopardy, not the world. Who cares about the world, get to the gritty core and make this television to remember.<p> I mostly liked both episodes tonight, but it could have been more effective had it only been one episode.<p>They should have more truly human characters, a human without a power can still be a HERO.<p>Keep it fast. Keep it dark. Keep it in the present. And go bugnuts crazy, quit playing it safe. Expose the mutants to the world; don't cover it up each season.

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Content I just read about it. No Heroics is a comedy that I think debuts this Thursday on ITV2 at 10:30pm. Looks fun, google it.

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Content that little kid actor in the pre-show with the suit on, unbuttoned shirt and gold chain.... hahaha... what are you, 12? I hate this show

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Content The writers need to take the plot from point A to point B.<p>Yeah, but what about what the audience has learned about your character as a person based on past decisions? Don't we need to be consistent to flesh out your character and encourage the audience to become emotionally invested?<p>No.<p>Well, ok, but after a while won't the "Hey, wouldn't it be cool to have superpowers" factor get old? Won't the audience need something more than just a convoluted plot to follow to keep them watching?<p>Probably, but that’s all we’re gonna give ‘em.<p>Well, than why should I keep watching?<p>Because, hey, wouldn’t it be cool to have superpowers?

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Content ...is that HEROES is just a soap opera, like YOUNG AND THE RESTLESS, except that it has people with superpowers. The writing has never risen above that level (thus all those serious holes in the storylines). This is not a groundbreaking show. The writers are not that talented or ambitious. The only clever aspect of the show is using superhero characters in a soap opera.

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Content The whole "the world of the future is horrible and we have to fix it" for the third straight season is just... ugh. I'm going to give this one more episode, then...

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Content ...everyone uses an excessive amount of hair gel. Because when you slick your hair back with gel, you MUST be from the future!

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Content Everytime Hiro went back in time and got involved, he made things worse. That is why he won't go back in time anymore.<p> Future Pete, didn't realize that he made things worse...The universe changes with every thing he does.

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Content Harry how about you *ahem* weigh in on this.<p> Some of us have been begging for a Supernatural TB.<br> But can't get one .<p> Yet this crap goes on and on.<p> Nothing new here, nothing to see, just a carny barker hawking his hos

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Content ....or plot twists here?? I mean c'mon this is starting to look like a Robert Jordan, Wheel of Time book. Any more complications and it's bail time.

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Content The writing is still full of huge logic gaps as a result of all the time travel stuff, but at least shit is happening. These were probably the most effects heavy episodes of the whole series. I think the people writing it off are being unreasonable. All the effects with speed girl, the fight with sylar and elle, the future stuff, its all extremely cool and entertaining. Plus, with a bunch of cool villains on the loose, it looks like the season could have some real cool battles in the future.

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Content That's how it has seemed from the beginning. He's an evil fuck so why not cut out the brain while stealing the power?

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Content Does not mean this show has improved any. In fact all it shows is that it will shove the bad storylines down your throat even faster. Elle is completely unappreciated and totally misused. She is violent, desperate for attention, and the only person to subdue Sylar with one superpower completely on her own... TWICE! So what do we do with her? Fire her from the Company of course. But do we get to see her as a fun vigilante hunting down and killing released villains? No it'll be HRG and Sylar teaming up to hunt them down. Then lets not even get started with Mohinder's idiocy. I'm glad he and Maya got together but its extremely wasteful and a fairly useless storyline considering the only interesting event of the night besides the escape. Hiro, Ando Daphne and the formula are the story of the season as far as I'm concerned. I hate that Daphne can move when he stops time, I'd prefer she's so fast that by when he stops time she's too far away. That said she's got something interesting to do and she's with the best characters on the show. Finally, Angela is Sylar's REAL mother... I'm really hoping that the midpoint this season is a giant reset button, done by killing Claire prior to the manifestation of her powers.

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Content that maya doesn't even know where the fuck she's from, seeing as guatemalais not in south america

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Content -the 8:00 - 9:00 thing was the worst piece of shit EVER. here's an idea, we are about to sit down to 2 hours of these people in character, the LAST THING we should see is them wearing fake tan, slicked up drinking martinis at some douchebag hollywood party! whoever's idea it was to do that should be instantly fired. and here's another tip: if you're doing an hour-long recap, recap SOME OF THE FUCKING PLOT POINTS, not glimpses of the future that make no sense, and 3 second sound bites about each character that make no sense. it was the television equivalent of Epic Movie. (oh, remember that? remember him? remember her? YES WE FUCKING DO, WE FUCKING WATCH THE SHOW! just pathetically horrible.<p>-the episodes were alright, a little convoluted. it felt like at times they were afraid of seeming to "start slow" like last season, so they were stuffing too much into the first "2" episodes. and if they were planning on showing them back to back? what is the point of cliffhangers? hey, note to self: Mohinder laying on the ground possibly dead carried a lot of weight...FOR 10 FUCKING SECONDS UNTIL THE NEXT EPISODE STARTED.<p> -no one wants to see Hiro and Ando fight. I know what they're trying to do, but stop it. if it goes on for more than one more episode, people are going to start to cry foul. Ando has the power of !AWESOME!.<p>-possible choices for Mohinder's new name, now that he has powers? "Mo' Hinder" "Mofacilitate" (or "Moimprove") "Brundlehinder"<p> -Herc, I got the sense that Peter was playing with strings in the apartment to try to figure out the best course of action now that he's screwed things up. he went back and shot Nathan, and that fucked shit up. he can't just go back and do something else and be sure of fixing anything. instead of just saying he's stupid, can we at least TRY to give the benefit of the doubt and say that he did an impetuous thing by going back and shooting Nathan (remember, in his timeframe, it happened pretty quickly. claire shoots, he dodges, gets the gun, pops out, puts on a hat, blim blam blammity bam, so instead of being impetuous again and doing more harm, he's being careful both in what he does, and what he says, as the scenes with Nathan and Claire show.<p> the speedy chick is hot, but she is a little too much of a Kristen Bell look alike. can we get a redhead up in this piece? her name ideas? The Ferosh Flash? Eat my Pixie Dust? (never mind, that one was a joke) Hot Topic? Frizzleflash? man, it's late, I can't think of any good ones...<p> -the shit with Parkman was good. just enough to give us a sense of what might be, and keep the ideas flowing, but not too much. I wish every plot line had been left at a point like that.<p>-next week looks ridiculous. Sylar and HRG? it's like they have to match up each character with each other character at least once. don't overdo it. there better be a HUGELY good reason why a) HRG is back with mama pterelli after she locked him up, b) Sylar would actually help anyone (even if she IS his mom), c) why anyone doesn't just kill her (all she has is some dream nonsense power that she doesn't seem to put much stock in since she's helping Sylar, and the power of !WRINKLE!)<p> -Herc's right, good pacing. none of the scenes seemed to drag, and that was good.<p>-wht the hell wouldn't the company have HRG's house under surveillance if he escaped and they know Claire is there, not to mention HIS FUCKING COMPUTER FULL OF THEIR INFORMATION, RIGHT NEXT TO A FATTY GUN??? I'm betting the beginning of next episode shows him being captured, and that's why he's their potentially matched up with Sylar. no way they leave his house unguarded.<p>-why turn Kristen Bell away? (unless you're going to bend her over a table like Pennsy wants to do) if you don't need her, then put her in a holding cell. no one wants an evil electric bitch who's dad jsut died running loose, right? that was a lazy point, to my mind.<p>-I like Mohinder pimping out. I wish they had been just a TINY bit clearer in the shot with the shit on his back. it was hard to make out what it was at all. scales? wings? broken mexican nails? hard to say.<p>-why the german gotta be a baddy? and why give him Magneto's power, when Magneto ESCAPED from a Nazi camp? (at least according to the x-men movie, I've never read a comic in my life...sorry guys)<p>-all in all, some warts aside, a good start and if anyone was feeling a little sting from the shortened second season, I have to believe this gets you back on board. definitely felt like the first season again.<p>-Ando does not have a power...EVER. I will bet anyone $100 powers that is someone impersonating him to get at Hiro. Ando's power is loyalty and awesomeness, and that is how it should stay. <p>-the only cool part of the live shitfest was hearing the actor who portrays Ando speaking in unaccented English. that was tight.<p>-I'm going to go to bed.

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Content I saw an episode 0 and and episode 1. What's the difference between the 2 ?

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Content They're a fine producto de Tejas. Before you kill off Veronica Mars give her and Weevil some extended screen time together, maybe a sex scene.

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Content ...for being the first ones to call out what I'm sure many will be bitching about this season: BrundleShoresh. <p> I see a LOT of people bitching up a storm about the quality of this show, and I'm not one of them. I enjoy the show, and yeah, I get into it, but I'm not in love with it. I know it's flawed, but I don't pick it abpart as much as some on this TB. That having been said, as soon as Maya walked into Mohinder's lab, I was thinking, "Shit, he's the indian Jeff Goldblum." Some of the dialogue almost seems ripped straight out of Cronenberg's script - "I feel like a whole new man; I'm stronger, faster..." etc. He was all coked out on his new powers and wasted no time yanking the nearest chick's clothes off. Then next thing you know, he's staring into the mirror and removing parts from his own body. <p> I don't think the show is entirely unoriginal (despite the entire premise being "Lost meets X-Men,") but I know a ripoff when I see one. Something tells me Tim Kring actually wants to have Jeff Goldblum show up later in the season and school Mohinder's character about the abuses of instantly-bestowed powers.

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Content Seems pretty obvious that he removes the brains to examine the whole thing to see what he can gleam from them. The guy was a clocketeer and would pull those things all apart to see all the pieces. Makes sense he would do the same with the brains. With Claire, since he could tell that her brain was vastly different from the others, he found the bit he needed and left the rest in tact.

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Content sylar studies the brains, even though the secret to each hero lies in their dna...not in the brain?? look, i havent watched tonites epis yet, and if they explained this, fine...if not, its a fuckin huge plot hole...because dna can be found anywhere...and if sylar is fucking around with his own dna, sometime during this season, he should totally implode and become a giant jellyfish