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Herc’s Seen The First Hour Of HEROES’ Third Season!!

Published at:  Sep 24, 2008 2:37:14 AM CDT

SPOILER ALERT !!

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IMPORTANT!! Because the first hour of “Heroes’” third season, airing tonight, was screened at Comic Con in July (and immediately thereafter spoiled throughout the Internet), we are here holding back few spoilers.

If you want to know if tonight’s first hour more compelling than most of the episodes broadcast last season, the answer is yes. Tonight’s first hour (the second was not screened at Comic Con, nor made available to the press) is a deeply flawed effort, but I was certainly never bored.

BEGIN THE SPOILER SECTION!!





Heroes 3.1 FAQ

What’s it called?
“The Second Coming.”

Who’s responsible?
Teleplay is credited to series creator Tim Kring.

What does NBC say?
“The first chapter of "Volume 3: Villains" kicks off moments after shots rang out, as the shocking identity of Nathan's (Adrian Pasdar) assassin and the reasons why the Texas press conference had to be cut short are revealed -- immediately throwing Peter (Milo Ventimiglia) and Matt (Greg Grunberg) into unexpected, uncharted territory. With his powers partially restored, Sylar (Zachary Quinto) decides a visit to Claire (Hayden Panettiere) could give him a boost. Meanwhile, in Tokyo, Hiro (Masi Oka) and Ando (James Kyson Lee) are charged with safeguarding a family secret that could split the planet apart, and discover that the path to a grim future starts with shady speedster, Daphne (guest star Brea Grant). In New York City, thanks to Maya (Dania Ramirez), Suresh (Sendhil Ramamurthy) makes a startling breakthrough that could change the world -- or just destroy his. And who is Tracy Strauss? Ali Larter, Cristine Rose and Jack Coleman star. Noah Gray-Cabey, Ashley Crow, Randall Bentley, Jimmy Jean-Louis, George Takei, Malcolm McDowell, Carlon Jeffery, Jamie Hector, Bruce Boxleitner, Francis Capra and Blake Shields guest star.”

Who shot Nathan Petrelli in last season’s final moments?
Brother Peter Petrelli, time traveling back from four years in the future, shoots Nathan to prevent him from revealing to the world the existence of people with superpowers. Apparently Nathan’s revelation is blamed for all manner of future mayhem.

Peter uses a gun? What doesn’t he just use his telekinesis to choke Nathan to death, Vader-style?
It would arouse suspicion during the autopsy?

Then why didn’t Peter just go a little further back in time when Nathan was alone and bury Nathan deep underground – like Hiro did with Adam Monroe last season?
I think we just have to assume at this point that Peter is the stupidest guy ever to graduate nursing school. Remember how he didn’t use Matt’s mindreading power to determine Adam’s intentions? And how he struggled trying to tear off a vault door with his brain when he could have effortlessly phased through it?

Why are superpowers even a secret at this point? There are clearly many, many people walking around with superpowers, and they’ve obviously been around for hundreds of years. Most of them discover their powers before PrimaTech does, and a lot of them are probably malcontent loose cannons like Invisible Claude. Surely Nathan isn’t the first superpowered guy to think to hold a press conference!
Maybe every time somebody tries to hold such a press conference, somebody from the future always stops it?

So Nathan is really dead now?
He dies but doesn’t stay dead long. Daniel Linderman (Malcolm McDowell) apparently makes him all better.

Didn’t Linderman die in season one?
Violently. But the guy who can heal anything is somehow alive!

Does Linderman still have that giant hole D.L. phased into his brain?
He does not.

What “unexpected, uncharted territory” are Peter and Matt thrown into?
FuturePeter somehow sticks PresentPeter’s mind into the body of a PrimaTech prisoner played by “Veronica Mars” vet Francis Capra (now sporting a goatee!).

Primatech prisoner? A Primatech prisoner with superpowers maybe?
The Primatech prisoner demonstrates no superpowers. Perhaps the only thing he can do is absorb the minds of others?

Does Francis Capra do a good Milo Ventimiglia impression?
PresentPeter now sounds exactly like “Veronica Mars” biker-turned-janitor Weevil Navarro, he of the lush Bronx accent.

What “unexpected, uncharted territory” is Matt thrown into?
When Matt discovers FuturePeter is Nathan’s assassin, FuturePeter instantly transports Matt into the middle of the Sahara.

Why doesn’t FuturePeter transport Matt deep underground, as Hiro did with Adam?
This is not explained in the season’s first hour.

Why doesn’t FuturePeter transport Matt into some prisoner’s body?
This is not explained in the season’s first hour.

Sylar still craves Claire’s healing abilities?
He does.

What family secret of Hiro’s could split the planet apart?
Some manner of secret formula.

What breakthrough does Mohinder make that could change the world?
Thanks to Maya’s anger-based powers, he figures out in a matter of seconds what his father Chandra couldn’t put together over a lifetime of research: that superpowers come from adrenaline, not blood. This allows Mohinder to concoct a potion that can give anyone superpowers.

Could Mohinder and Hiro have stumbled upon the exact same formula at the exact same time?
We don’t learn in the first hour what Hiro’s formula does.

But if it was the same formula, wouldn’t that be a stunning coincidence?
The latest of many in the “Heroes”-verse.

Who is Tracy Strauss?
A character played by Ali Larter, Tracy is the bedmate of a governor (Bruce Boxleitner) who takes an interest in the resurrected Nathan Petrelli.

Doesn’t Ali Larter play characters named Niki and Jessica?
I believe she does.

What of Niki’s son Micah and his cousin Monica?
Micah and Monica are no longer regulars and sit out the first chapter of “Villains.” Also absent in hour one are Bob and Elle Bishop.

What’s doing with Noah Bennet?
We barely get a glimpse of him this week as he stews in PrimaTech stir.

What’s doing with Mama Petrelli?
In the final few minutes we finally learn Angela’s superpower.

Is Angela’s superpower the ability to issue deadly optic blasts?
No.

Is it the same superpower she uses in the never-to-be-aired episode fragments included in the “Heroes” season-two DVD set?
It is.

Is Mohinder still supplying that nutty fortune-cookie narration?
In the first hour, at least, Mohinder’s voice-overs are limited to reciting William Butler Yeats’ famous 1920 poem “The Second Coming.”

What’s good?
* The pacing; the first hour fairly flies by.

* Just before she tries to fire a bullet into FuturePeter’s brain, FutureClaire tells him, “I always loved you.” (A peculiar turn of phrase for one’s Uncle Pete! Are we to infer that Claire will one day grow keen to bone Peter??)

* The late Kaito Nakamura admonishing his son Hiro (hilarious!).

* Sylar admonishing Claire for her too-lurid imagination (also hilarious!).

* Sylar’s “bad taco” line.

* Brea Grant, who played Landry’s metalhead-nerd girlfriend on “Friday Night Lights” last season, very cute in a very non-nerd way as the girl with superspeed.

* Greg Grunberg, effective selling Matt’s desert awakening.

* The idea of a superpowered Ando and Hiro at odds in the future.

* The visual effects.

What’s not so good?
* The very first scene, set four years in the future, starts with Peter running furiously toward a warehouse. If he’s in such a rush, why not just teleport to the warehouse?

* In the warehouse, Claire greets Peter and, with Peter fully apprised of her intentions, tries to shoot him in the head. Peter evades the bullet effortlessly. The audience knows Peter can evade that bullet effortlessly; why doesn’t Claire?

* Also, since Peter has Claire’s healing ability, why is there a gigantic scar on his face?

* Back in the present, Claire sees Nathan’s shooting on TV and phones Peter’s cell, offering her blood to heal daddy Nathan. FuturePeter says no, she’s too far away in California. But doesn’t she know Peter has Claire’s healing power? And if he somehow lost Claire’s healing power (or can’t do the healing-blood thing for some reason), why doesn’t she ask Peter to simply teleport her to Odessa? And if Peter were to switch off his phone, why wouldn’t Claire phone up Hiro and ask him to teleport her? Hiro likes the flying man!

* If Claire’s power is so important to Sylar (And why wouldn’t it be? It would make him nigh omnipotent!), why does he spend such a ludicrous amount of time toying with the hugely overmatched teen?

* When Nathan comes back to life and decides he’s an angel (!), isn’t his sudden lack of interest in revealing the presence of superheroes is incredibly convenient?

* Isn’t Nathan’s new contention that angels must only operate in secret also incredibly convenient?

* Isn’t FuturePeter a little quick to assume Nathan will never again be tempted to make his reveal? Or Matt for that matter?

* Since Maya effectively learned how to control her powers last season, doesn't her moaning about Mohinder’s inability to erase those powers quickly grow tiresome?

* Since Sylar doesn’t have to remove Claire’s brain to steal her power, why were the brains of Sylar’s other victims removed?

* Doesn’t this business of Hiro jumping into the future and jumping back out -- just before an apocalypse smooshes him -- feel a little rerunny?

How does it end, spoiler-boy?
“In the shocking second chapter of ‘Volume 3: Villains,’ Angela (Cristine Rose) confronts her much-changed son, Peter, as the bursts of violence around them only hint to the catastrophes to come. First, Sylar declares war on the Company by attacking their main facility, and finds even more than he bargained for on Level 5. During a devastating battle with Elle (guest star Kristen Bell), a dozen savage criminals -- all with terrible abilities -- escape. Meanwhile, Claire discovers something new and unexpected about her abilities. Determined to reclaim his family's terrible secret, Hiro and Ando track Daphne (guest star Brea Grant) to Paris. After a fateful night, Suresh is thrilled to find his research, his life and his relationship with Maya evolving in leaps and bounds. Stuck in unfamiliar territory, Matt finds a guide (guest star Ntare Mwine) to help him. Ali Larter and Jack Coleman star. Ali Larter, Adrian Pasdar and Jack Coleman star. Ashley Crow, Jessalyn Gilsig, Malcolm McDowell, Stephen Tobolowsky, Bruce Boxleitner, Francis Capra, Blake Shields, William Katt, Ken Lally, David H. Lawrence XVII, Andre Royo and Kiko Ellsworth guest star.”


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    Readers Talkback

  • Sep 22, 2008 1:35:04 AM CDT

    It sounds & smells bad...

    by amy chasing

    2 out of 3 ain't good.

    Reply to Talkback

  • Sep 22, 2008 1:35:19 AM CDT

    Herc

    by mr. zeddemore

    ... Seriously, why are you such an asshole about the show? Everytime you post, you have these snide little comments that aren't so much critical as 'well, the show must be stupid if I don't personally like it, and I'll ignore the fact that half of my speculation is based on nothing but half-assed rationale that makes no sense considering the fact that this show - unlike Lost - does actually resolve plot-lines.'

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  • Sep 22, 2008 1:39:45 AM CDT

    The whole show is "deeply flawed" (2 problems)...

    by happyhamster

    Problems with Heroes (only one needs fixing):

    1) Crappy storyline, which is forgivable for a tv show about super heroes, but...

    2) Crappy special effects which is NOT forgivable for this kind of show. Open up the purse strings NBC

    Fix #2 and no one will care about #1.

    Of course if they fix #1, then we'll forgive #2, but I don't think the writers have that in them. #2 just needs money thrown at it.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 1:40:04 AM CDT

    And Hiro/Claire

    by mr. zeddemore

    She doesn't know him, so either that was a bad attempt at humour or you don't care enough to remember what happened on the show.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 1:40:34 AM CDT

    Third strike and it shall be off my watch list

    by the rabbit of carrot shaped doom

    The first season final was very nearly enough to disuade me from further watching. The entirity of the second season made me wish that I had followed my instincts. Yet there is a small glimmer of hope in my soul that the writers will finally understand the potential of their premise and that the third season will be good. Therefore, I shall watch this again for a third and possibly final time.To the writers of "Heroes": Please do not let me down.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 1:41:53 AM CDT

    Mr. Zeddemore: Heroes really IS a second rate show...

    by happyhamster

    I don't think Herc is being an "asshole" about anything for pointing out (just a very few) of the flaws with this show.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 1:42:42 AM CDT

    This sounds fucking awful

    by volllllume3

    Also no Elle and Bob? LAME

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  • Sep 22, 2008 1:43:23 AM CDT

    Zeddemore

    by amy chasing

    Gotta admit, Heroes (especially after last season) gives you alot of ammo to shoot at it. I loved its first season, but unless they start writing smartly again this show isn't going to cut it for audiences who lapped-up The Dark Knight's intelligent handling of a comic-book superhero story.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 1:47:27 AM CDT

    Good pacing in a Heroes episode?

    by derlanghaarige

    Even the great episodes had bad pacing so far, so THIS is a real improvement!

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  • Sep 22, 2008 1:48:56 AM CDT

    HappyHamster

    by mr. zeddemore

    I'm sure these is enough ammo, but Claire phoning Hiro? How is that an inconsistency? She doesn't know Hiro - and the run of breathtakingly ridiculous questions by Herc continues for nearly half a page. I'm the first to admit Maya bombed during S2, so I think Herc could have actually put out some real anti-Heroes ammo instead of 'wah, I don't understand this plotpoint from a show that does resolve plotpoints.'

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  • Sep 22, 2008 1:50:20 AM CDT

    Amy Chasing

    by mr. zeddemore

    Yeah, I didn't love TDK. I'm sure that'll get me flamed, but the last half an hour was pathetic.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 2:02:49 AM CDT

    The first season was really good

    by beetlegeuse

    but this sounds really bad, if i stumble across it i think i'll change the channel. It's just not worth the time anymore.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 2:14:58 AM CDT

    I'm breaking out the short leash

    by xiphos_2

    and putting the extra small choker collar on Heroes. If I get even a whiff of last seasons stench then its gone. The bad section in Herc's review has me concerned, its stinking something fierce, like a day old corpse under the desert sun.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 2:20:01 AM CDT

    Heroes needs to set some things straight.

    by toby___wong

    Last season was crappy except for the Kristen Bell parts and the HRG part. They better not fuck up.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 2:29:25 AM CDT

    What A Mess!

    by roboteer

    This is why X-MEN 2 was maybe the best comic adaptation ever. Not only was there nothing you'd want to change, not only was it well crafted on every level with fine chracterization, but it kept all the damn super powers straight and steady. No easy feat as this series attempts to illustrate apparently. But HEROES is better than most SciFi on the tube. Just hard to take it too seriously when they don't even follow their own rules and when they treat their audience like memory impaired morons.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 2:37:42 AM CDT

    Why would I care...

    by onezeroone

    about characters in a show where anyone and everyone is brought back to life? S2 was beyond redemption and the strike somehow gave it an excuse. Still, eternally hoping against hope, will give this one a try.
    I no longer except any awesomeness from Heroes. Flawed writing and convinient plot 'coincidences' seem to be as much part of the show as superpowers. Heroes, at best, is like a fan-fiction version of comic book stories. Would be a crime to expect any proficiency in writing.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 2:41:51 AM CDT

    Lose some characters

    by phloton

    Sylar was a great 1st season baddie, but now he's redundant as are the rest of the Heroes. And please kill Peter. Sorry Milo, but your character is such a whiny baby. Hiro had the only interesting storyline, but it went on too long as was way too predictable. In fact, just stick them all in a car and send them off a cliff and create a storyline about a completely different group. Preferably not in New York. How about all from the baddies point of view, like "Wanted" should've been.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 2:49:39 AM CDT

    The third best sci-fi show on network tv returns!

    by shermdawg

    Too bad the number two show never gets props around here. *cough*SUPERNATURAL*cough* But yeah, I hope this season is a return to form for Heroes. Have they announced Walter Koenig or Leonard Nimoy joining the cast yet? Because y'know they will.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 4:05:23 AM CDT

    The problem with Heroes...

    by spooky2k

    Peter & Sylar.
    No matter what the writers throw out, those 2 will always be able to solve/undo. These guys should have been their trump cards, the ultimate Heroes that the seasons worked towards.

    Also, does anyone else think this is a hugely missed opportunity? this show always felt like x-men pre-Xavier institute for me. Why isn't it anywhere near as great as it could be? Ah yes, the apologising 'I've never read a comic book' producer.

    Shermdawg:
    In its season premiere, Supernatural did everything Heroes needs to. It threw its 'this thing will always save anybody at anytime' card out of the window and introduced a war. Great things are afoot in that show.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 4:23:44 AM CDT

    I agree about Supernatural

    by xiphos_2

    I downloaded it this morning and damn was it good. It looks to be a good season or maybe a bad season depending on how you look at it for the Winchester boys. Added bonus AC/DC in the opening.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 5:01:47 AM CDT

    check out beeman's blog

    by bacci40

    which i forgot to do till tonite...there are pics with elle and bob...so they are still recurring....let me say what the real problem with the show is...kring...first off, he has no respect for the audience, lies about his experience with comics (ok, so you have a form of dyslexia, but please, dont tell me in all the years you have spent in hollywood, you havent run across any comic book projects) he lied about the mapping out of the series (it was apparent in year 2 that he was flying by the seat of his pants) and now, he is going to make the same mistake that fuller wouldve stopped him from making...reusing the days of future past...its a bad gimic and it helped to kill off star trek dsg...whatever, seems that there are only yes men who work on krings staff....me, im holding off on watching mad men and eureka....those two shows will fill up my mondays for the rest of the season

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  • Sep 22, 2008 5:07:31 AM CDT

    oh...i should note one positive

    by bacci40

    acknowledging fans theories in the script (ie, that sylar eats brains) was a very nice touch

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  • Sep 22, 2008 5:12:40 AM CDT

    another thing...arent network execs the least bit

    by bacci40

    worried? cable tv ran away with every major award on the emmy's...20 years ago, cable tv had to create its own awards show, so as to make performers and the creative people feel good about themselves...now, it is cable that has the quality shows, and soon the over the air networks may have to create their own new awards show...so why arent the execs sitting down and bumping skulls to see how they can improve the quality of the shit that they toss on the tube

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  • Sep 22, 2008 5:29:30 AM CDT

    I've seen it and its gash

    by semisaj

  • Sep 22, 2008 6:37:41 AM CDT

    Supernatural deserves a break

    by toby___wong

    It's that damn good. I said it once and I will say it again. The Shield > Supernatural > any other tv show.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 6:57:32 AM CDT

    no one dies in the comics, historically speaking

    by just pillow talk

    why would this be any different?That review didn't give me the warm fuzzies. I was hoping for Monica Bellucci type warmth, instead it may be The Bates type warm.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 7:14:24 AM CDT

    Everybody survive the Emmys last night?

    by pennsy

    My plan of action - watch the first hour, watch and tape the second. They need to hit the ground running and make fans believe their creative slump is over. They've had 9 months to think this through; for their sake, and NBC's as well, let's hooe they've turned the corner and are back to season 1 goodness.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 7:34:50 AM CDT

    Ya' gotta admit

    by gaiusthebrave

    it's still better than the disappointing, stinkin' shit fest that BSG has become since mid-season 3. I'm more excited about this premiere than I have been about any other sci-fi in a while. Though, I will agree that last week's Supernatural kicked ass. Heroes just needs to trim the fat and get back to the tension of the first season.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 7:42:55 AM CDT

    The Reason Herc Gets Pilloried...

    by aquatarkusman

    ... is that the same pedestrian, hokey bullshit doesn't get called out in Fringe pilot, which I think he was comparing favorably to the Twin Peaks pilot (standalone movie in international release). As for this show, they're definitely doubling down on puzzling, stupid bullshit. I don't see why any geek of note would come within 10 miles of this series.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 7:44:30 AM CDT

    Yet again with the scar (and Sylar and brains)

    by chrth

    For the one-thousandth time in a Heroes talkback, a scar isn't the result of injury, it's the result of HEALING. If Peter had to quickly heal his face to keep his brain from escaping, it's doubtful he would've made sure the cut was perfectly aligned so that it would heal seamlessly. A scar makes perfect sense.
    As for Sylar cutting out brains, I always thought the reason he did that was in case someone else developed his power, they wouldn't be able to copycat him by going after already claimed brains. It could also be he somehow knew (from Chandra?) that the brain is what controlled the powers, so it's possible someone with healing could recover if their brain was intact.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 7:45:20 AM CDT

    Oh, one more thing...

    by gaiusthebrave

    stop bringing characters back to life, for fuck's sake! How can we ever get tense and sit on the edge of our metaphorical seats if we can be pretty sure our favorite character will be back after they're conveniently dosed with some Claire-blood? Just a plea, let people die and stay dead. It's better that way. Just think how much more we would've respected Buffy TVS as a series if we didn't have to go through seasons 6&7. If she would've stayed dead, we would have all sighed and thought, "It ended before its time." Not, as most of us did, "Just end it already."

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  • Sep 22, 2008 7:47:05 AM CDT

    Speaking of Alan Moore

    by chrth

    Anyone who thinks Season One was a ripoff of Watchmen either wasn't paying attention or has never read Watchmen. Linderman wasn't causing the mass murder in NYC like Veidt was. They were just going to take advantage of it, a plot device that goes back to Nero blaming Rome burning on the Christians.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 7:49:03 AM CDT

    Even if you think BSG was subpar this season (so far)

    by pennsy

    It's still better than 95% of the slop on TV right now.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 7:50:09 AM CDT

    Actually, chrth

    by gaiusthebrave

    I believe he cuts out the brains because the brain plays some kinda controlling function in the heroes' powers. Somehow, he can see how the brain does it and mimic it. This is why, I believe, we always hear a ticking clock whenever he does his learning, because he's figuring out how the other person's power works and copying it like he would with the mechanism of a watch. Maybe you are right, but I think that's why.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 8:02:38 AM CDT

    Well we know the brain has a controlling function

    by chrth

    At least in terms of the healing power.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 8:22:21 AM CDT

    Bacci40 Makes A Great Point...

    by hagakure

    ...The Emmy's no longer belong exclusively to the "Big 3" networks because, simply put, as network primetime is constantly trying to 'dumb itself down', cable networks spend more time trying to make intelligent shows. One of the reasons the first season of Heroes worked so well because it had some intelligence behind it that the audience loved. About a third into the season, however, you can almost see where it went from intelligent to "try to appease the masses". Cable stations (and I guess FX would be the biggest thorn in the network execs side because it is more available than HBO, SHOWTIME, etc) like FX like intelligent shows. And when I say 'intelligent' I just don't mean long character arcs. Shows like 'Always Sunny in Philadelphia' is brilliant satire that constantly pushes the edge and takes chances that a 'regular' network never would. Honestly, a network station gave a greenlight to "Cavemen" or whatever the hell that was. Christ, if giving the go-ahead to a sitcom based off of a commercial sponsor doesn't spell 'sell-out', than what does?

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  • Sep 22, 2008 8:33:05 AM CDT

    Too spoilerish for me today

    by jimbojones123

    see you after the show.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 8:35:28 AM CDT

    BATMAN V. SUPERMAN

    by imyerhuckleberry

    I just got back from my second viewing of Dark Knight, and I came to the realization that after a groundbreaking reboot, the series has nowhere to go but down. Ledger's Joker is the greatest villain I've ever seen in a comic adaptation. It won't be topped anytime soon. He represents the anarchist genius, Lecter with a bazooka. He captures the apathy of true evil, creating death only as amusement. A mad and rabid dog, as was symbolized in the film. The devil. It won't be surpassed any time soon and why bother? The natural evolution of this series should now lead from man vs Devil to man vs God. That is the elemental conflict that was explored at the end of Miller's Dark Knight Returns. He knew that it was the only logical finale. The powerless human, armed only with his cunning, against a living God, who serves humanity but let's face it, is a bit out of touch. His innocence and naivety is a weakness that can turn him into weapon. I always liked the fact that Batman won that showdown in Returns. He is the underdog, so he tries harder. And it seemed realistic, as the biggest problem with Superman is that his flawless nature makes him a bit superficial. He's like the jock in high school who never had to work very hard for success. He needs to be brought down a notch, and who better to do it? Bust out the kryptonite gloves!

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  • Sep 22, 2008 8:41:41 AM CDT

    DAMN YOU WONKA!

    by pennsy

    No time like the present, yes?

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  • Sep 22, 2008 8:52:12 AM CDT

    P.S.: William Katt?

    by aquatarkusman

    Believe it or not...

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  • Sep 22, 2008 8:53:27 AM CDT

    Because no one gives a shit about the Emmys

    by chrth

    Or the Oscars, or the Tonys (well, maybe the Tonys). I mean who the fuck cares? Emmys don't make money for the networks (broadcast or cable). Like all reward shows, it's just an industry circle jerk.

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  • Since the first is getting mixed reviews. That will decide whether or not we're in for a great season, a so-so one, or one that will blow chunks. There is one person who will do their damndest to make The Butterfly Effect kickass. Hint - she's a Detroit Red Wings fan. :D

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:16:53 AM CDT

    It's dead Jim

    by melvin_pelvis

    there is no saving heroes

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:20:43 AM CDT

    Please

    by gezoes

    I am so glad I stop watching. Where is it going? Oooooo, a new hero. Oooooo, another one. End of season. Oooooo.

    Thumbs up for Nakamura though :-)

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:30:34 AM CDT

    Wait ... did I read that correctly? SUPERPOWERED ANDO?!?

    by chrth

    Are they finally revealing he has the power of !AWESOME! ?

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  • Sep 22, 2008 10:04:35 AM CDT

    I refuse to watch.

    by zerocorpse

    Fuck it. This show pissed me off with the finale of Season One, and the TERRIBLE Season Two. I'll watch it on my Roku when it ends up in the "Watch Now" section of Netflix.
    The single most compelling reason to not watch? Peter "Fucking Idiot" Petrelli. My goodness, what a complete fuckhead he is! Sylar may be evil, but he's at least not a complete numbnuts. The character of Peter is so poorly developed, so fucking stupid, so contrived, that it's hard to buy anything this show sells when he's involved.
    And personally, I'm sick of Claire. Fuck Claire and her family. I wish they'd have just killed off her stupid family in the first season.
    Adding Veronia Mars last year was the last straw for me-- She was a pointless character played by a one-note actress. She, along with Peter and the Telemundo Twins, spoiled the series for me. BAD WRITING IS KRING'S SUPER POWER!

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  • Sep 22, 2008 11:20:49 AM CDT

    *Yawn*

    by the dude abides

    Not even gonna bother to watch this crap.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 11:34:02 AM CDT

    "This allows Mohinder to concoct a potion"

    by immortal_fish

    Teleporting reboots, uncanny similarities to very popular comic runs, deus ex machina blood, and now a terrigen mist potion?!I'll give it three episodes then this fanboy is likely out.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 11:34:40 AM CDT

    One look at Hayden in her "evil" getup...

    by hobocode

    and it's impossible not to snicker. This show is the lamest thing going.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 11:36:15 AM CDT

    Maybe that clip show that kicks off tonight...

    by pennsy

    Isn't such a good idea, considering how much season 2 stunk.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 11:45:42 AM CDT

    I'll reserve judgement

    by skydemon

    until I watch it, tonight or maybe sometime tomorrow, or just when the hell I feel like sitting down that long.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 11:45:53 AM CDT

    Compared to LOST this show stinks!

    by sackratte

    Heroes is badly written without everyone writing it knowing how it will develop or end. This shows in every scene. Just when you think you know some of the cool characters they are dead or gone. WTF? I don't watch this crap anymore. I stil watch LOST because it feels like there is a plan behind all episodes. Heroes to me feeled like an endless 'pull out of the ass' show.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 11:59:44 AM CDT

    Sackratte

    by pirateemery

    Exactly... if I remember correctly, there were supposed to be three heroes that died in the S2 finale.

    1. Maya... who was brought back to life several minutes later.
    2. Nikki... who is somehow back this season?
    3. Nathan... who is also brought back this season?
    4. Adam... who was buried alive and could very well come back.
    .
    So, no one died in the season finale last year? Wow... nice organization there, NBC!

    As said by Damon Lindelof, "no one dies on that fucking show."

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  • Sep 22, 2008 12:07:22 PM CDT

    Rolling eyes

    by billypilgrimisunstuck

    That's all I saw when they showed this at comic-con. Rolling eyes...

    ..with the occasional person on their labtop (i.e. me)

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  • Sep 22, 2008 12:12:12 PM CDT

    Heroes, The Sarah Connor Chronicles, Prison Break

    by turketron

    All shows that I watch on Monday nights, but I couldn't tell you which one was better quality-wise. I'll probably watch Heroes live and then download whatever other ones I miss. At least The Shield is on Tuesdays, and Supernatural is on later in the week. Still need to watch that premiere...

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  • Sep 22, 2008 12:23:50 PM CDT

    PirateEmery, that's a valid point about DEM...

    by pennsy

    If you remove the gravest threat that can befall any character on the show, nobody will buy NBC's promos saying 'x number of Heroes won't survive', when in fact they usually do, thanks to the reset buttons Kring has. And this is a fan of the show who realizes that.

    Of course, if Elle is killed off, I will be the first one yelling for a reset button to keep her around.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 12:23:58 PM CDT

    Messy, Messy, Messy, Messy

    by g100

    You know how GOOD Heroes would have beem if they had just made it a one season story and changing the season 1 finale to reflect it ?
    Now they are just writing and rewriting themselves out of holes.
    Yeah, comic book plots and sci-fi use time travel and coming back from the dead as plot devices, but not every 5 minutes.
    Hell, I too will give it one last chance tonight but after abandoning Supernatural near the beginning of Season 2 it would seem I should have stuck with that rather than Heroes painfull Season 2.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 12:28:30 PM CDT

    It'll have really big numbers

    by melvin_pelvis

    Kring will strut around like he had something to do with it
    Forum backlash will be unbelievable
    And numbers will STILL be big next week
    People will tune in just to bitch about it afterwards
    It's a real sick cycle

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  • Sep 22, 2008 12:42:44 PM CDT

    Heroes was great

    by bellwether

    for the first half of the first season. I was gripped. Now I half watch it and find it utterly forgettable. It's a real shame. The lack of FX I can accept. There are two things that have nearly killed it. First it seems there's so little thought put into the character's abilities. They had to dial back Hiro's abilities as soon as they realized they'd overpowered him, Peter's horribly unbalanced, and both of those situations have been written really badly. Secondly, nobody ever dies. Ever. Or rather they just pop back to life in the next scene. It robs the show of any sense of threat. I await season three with utter indifference.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 12:43:11 PM CDT

    re: Doesnt anyone ever stay dead.... They've lost the plot bring

    by melvin_pelvis

    they don't need the actor anymore
    Anytime they need to, some of his paintings or drawings will turn up wharehoused somewhere

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  • Sep 22, 2008 12:43:48 PM CDT

    Plus

    by melvin_pelvis

    Both Peter and Sylar have his ability

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  • Sep 22, 2008 12:47:44 PM CDT

    Heroes S.2 suffered the same flaw as LOST S.2

    by zooch

    And that is people expected Heroes to hit the ground running in season two, but instead got a slow build. LOST Season Two, and Three for that matter, had better execution but were similarly flawed in that way. It looks as if both shows have learned from those mistakes and now are moving at a faster pace.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 1:05:21 PM CDT

    I don't remember last season at all?

    by wintocha67

    Peter locked in a metal box and in England maybe in a bar and Veronica Mars was in it, but otherwise, though I'm sure I watched the entire season, nothing... Nathan assassinated?

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  • Sep 22, 2008 1:45:37 PM CDT

    Isn't This the Plot to Last Season of The 4400?

    by hagakure

    A potion that gives people powers? If this potion turns out to have only a 50/50 chance of working that either gives you powers or kills you, then they might as well just go ahead and finish the storyline to The 4400. I am dying to know what became of Promise City!

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  • Sep 22, 2008 1:45:43 PM CDT

    chrth, a few things

    by bacci40

    you may say that networks dont care about the emmy's...but when one of their shows wins, they quickly create commercials touting that fact...heroes lifted more than one plot device from watchmen, and i really dont have a problem with that, except kring continues to state that he has never heard of watchmen (well loeb and sale have, and if they dont talk, that is a problem) this year, they will be lifting from xmen and the 4400....but im sure kring has never heard of those either, or rising stars, or wild cards...shit, for a writer, he sure as shit doesnt read much and doesnt do any research into whatever project he is working on...that is just lazy....i have my issues with lost, but i have to admit, the writers on that show work damn hard, and have no problem at all listing off their influences (the show is basically the side story of the island from watchmen, which is a damn cool concept)if i were an nbc studio exec, i would give the show 6 epis....if the ratings start to fall, i would immediatly fire kring and hire jeh and let him work his magic

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  • Sep 22, 2008 1:47:45 PM CDT

    oops....jeh should read jms

    by bacci40

  • Sep 22, 2008 2:00:30 PM CDT

    Stracinski wrote the screenplay for Changeling, too.

    by pennsy

    Which might make major noise at next year's Oscars. He'd be a good choice, IMO.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 2:02:45 PM CDT

    Not every writer can write

    by veritasses

    a good superhero story. Most seasoned writers can write some form of 'hero' story maybe featuring a doctor or fireman or cop. But writing a really good 'super' hero story requires particular skills that many writers simply don't have. This isn't a slam on writers who can't write superhero stories. It's something you either have or don't have. First and foremost, since it's in the "science fiction and fantasy" category, a rudimentary understanding of science is important. Most super powered heroes are going to somehow affect the laws of physics and to a lesser extent, biology and chemistry. Whether it's understanding time travel paradoxes, the law of conservation of mass, or understanding how friction and heat apply to a fast moving person, the more a writer understands these things and can constrain the hero's powers to these principles, (often) the better the story. These are often dismissed by many as "minor" details that people don't care about, but it's these minor details that often distinguish a good Superhero writer and a bad one. Put another way, it's about seeing how well the writer is able to incorporate the super power into our reality. The more a story associates itself with our reality, the more we expect the power and the Hero to adhere to the laws of the real world (conversely, the less it associates with reality, the less we expect it to adhere to our laws eg: Star Wars). For example, there's a difference between setting the story in Gotham vs New York City or even having the hero dress up in a costume vs walking around in street clothes. Next, the writer must have a highly logic oriented mind. How the power is applied, when it's applied, the nature of the power, the consequences and the string of events that follow etc requires a mind that isn't going to get lost in the logic requirements as the power is applied in the story. And the checks of logic takes constant vigilance as each word is written. Everyone thinks they're smart and logical but a surprising number are not. This is why we get huge plot holes and "why didn't he just do this or that?" questions. A few questions now and then are inevitable but the more questions and the more obvious the issue the more it destroys the world the writer created. Lastly - and people might argue this point - but I think a good superhero writer needs to love the genre. The good stories are born from people who are constantly thinking in the perspective of a superhero throughout the day. Looking at ordinary or extraordinary situations and thinking how the hero would act, dreaming about huge battles with enemies and thinking about situations that best challenge the hero. You can almost sense the writer's passion in the really good stories. This means writers who have read or at least watched superhero stories growing up. I think there're people (...) who think it's sufficient to take cool ideas and some random powers and string them together into a story. That's the feeling I get watching Heroes. some good ideas, horrible execution. Just really bad writing.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 2:07:03 PM CDT

    Hoping for the best.

    by billypilgrim

    Expecting the worst.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 2:13:46 PM CDT

    LOST S2 had its flaws...

    by pirateemery

    But it was still better than Heroes S2. Might I remind all of you that LOST S2 introduced us to Desmond and Ben?

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  • Sep 22, 2008 2:14:39 PM CDT

    And with regards to Heroes S2...

    by pirateemery

    The best scenes were the ones with either Adam or Elle in them. You know this to be true...

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  • Bacci40, it would behoove NBC to intervene if the ratings go south again. This is one of their flagship shows, and last time I checked, they were 4th in the broadcast network ratings for last season. They NEED Heroes to somehow counteract Dancing with the Has-Beens, Never-Weres and Never-Will-Bes.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 2:17:38 PM CDT

    "It was Lehman Brothers."

    by pennsy

    Thought I had enough room there.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 2:22:38 PM CDT

    You were close Pennsy...

    by pirateemery

    I understood what you meant...

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  • Sep 22, 2008 2:23:43 PM CDT

    PirateEmery, Adam was voted Least Villainous Villain

    by pennsy

    On another website. I didn't feel he was as much of a threat to humanity in season 2 as Sylar was in S1. It's not like he could cook up a black hole that would swallow the earth or something. He had the gift of gab, and a better-written Peter Petrelli would have seen right through it.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 2:24:32 PM CDT

    Scrubs

    by hagakure

    Speaking of NBC being fourth, I would love to see ABC give this show a great timeslot and the advertising it deserves and watch it crush one of NBC's new sitcoms in the ratings. I know people either love or hate this show, but I happen to love it, and NBC was constantly giving it the shaft.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 2:26:50 PM CDT

    Pennsy

    by pirateemery

    I just liked the character, not the villain... He SUCKED as a villain.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 2:27:04 PM CDT

    Heroes Last Chance..................

    by bobman46

    Cos I got up and walked away during the season 2 finale cos I DID NOT GIVE A SHIT anymore.

    First season was great until they fumbled the ball at the end- everyone took a turn fighting while the rest waited for theirs. The you have Jessica attacking Silar, not knowing who he is or even that he was the villain.

    Season 2 bored the life out of me. Who cared? Seriously. One more chance. If my butt stays on the seat for this episode, I'll give it another chance.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 2:35:10 PM CDT

    Heroes

    by chezking

    Heroes is entertaining but it is severely over-rated.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 2:55:31 PM CDT

    Spoiler/plot points are all over the place

    by prof. pop-cult

    These two episodes sound like a huge fucking mess. The plot sounds unfocused.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 3:06:48 PM CDT

    I may be offline tonight, as I had trouble last night

    by pennsy

    replying in the Emmy talkback. So if that persists tonight, it's not like I bailed on you guys, just that I couldn't connect to here.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 3:27:08 PM CDT

    Can't stop watching. Need to see Hayden's tits....

    by v'shael

    Chasing that dragon, even though I know I'll never catch it...

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  • Sep 22, 2008 3:45:27 PM CDT

    No Thanks

    by sithdan

    I'll be tuning into the vastly superior Sarah Connor Chronicles instead.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 3:49:26 PM CDT

    I TOLD YOU This season premiere was lame!

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    But nooo, don't put up my review, that's fine. Anyway, if anyone cares, go google it, it's in the talkbacks. The more I think about it, the more of a travesty this episode will be.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 4:05:54 PM CDT

    Hayden is a midget! Season 2 licked sweaty man ass!

    by eoneon

    Sorry,but you know this to be true! just a boring convoluted mess of a story line arc that almost rehashed season 1. bad new characters. story arcs that went on far too long,and anybody that died,came back to life! season 1 reminded me about the secret wars w sylar as the beyonder,on a lesser scale. season 1 had promise,but all that went down the toilet,and sorry,the writers strike had nothing to do with it. ease up on the time travelling btw! oh,and Lost owns even though it's completely different. may peace be found to all who seek it. namaste

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  • Sep 22, 2008 4:12:42 PM CDT

    peter and hiro bring heroes the future to fight skynet

    by turketron

    That would be a show worth watching... maybe not.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 4:17:04 PM CDT

    The healing crap is a bit of a cop out

    by drewlicious

    So Linderman can regenerate his own brain tissue now? Never mind that gray matter doesn't regenerate. This show is starting to look like the hospital scene in Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. Why don't we just bring everyone back while we're at it?

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  • Sep 22, 2008 4:31:22 PM CDT

    So 90% of the problems are still there, eh?

    by drath

    So the writers are still ignoring powers that will easily solve their contrived plots? Great, so they haven't fixed anything. And their idea of villains is evil twins. Great. No imagination here. At this point, stupidity is Peter's kryptonite. Poor kid cannot remember anything. He should so have gone Wolverine on us by now, instead he's doughnut rolling his way through the Hero-verse like Keanu-Neo at him most dimwitted. And of course, none of this will end with a hero-villain showdown in Times Square with Dinosaurs, samurai swords, and laser eye-blasts, will it? No? Fuck it all then.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 4:46:03 PM CDT

    The Recap Show was on Global (Canada) last night!!

    by tallboy66

    They aired it because, up here in Canada, we run programs from Fox/ NBC / CBS all on a single station (it's chosen by the network) and tonight at 8 Global airs Prison Break and 2 hrs of Heroes at 9, so they had to slot the recap show somewhere. I only saw about 4 minutes of it - basically it's set up during the premiere of the S.3 Heroes with all the actors decked out in pusedo-Oscar finery and cut to oh-so-quirky promo bits about all the characters from S.1 and S.2 (more S.1 cause it was better) with a trifling of S.3 clips thrown in. Felt very self-congratulatory but I did get a kick out of it for about 3 minutes. An hour of it would drive me nuts. But, yeah, some people may enjoy it.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 5:36:35 PM CDT

    V'Shael....what tits?

    by bacci40

    the girl has muscles, but is built like a 10 year old boy...and she is a midget...her 12 year old bro is taller than her...

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  • Sep 22, 2008 5:39:57 PM CDT

    I'll watch tonight, but that's probably it.

    by brians life

    Season Two REALLY let me down..no, fuck that...the last 3 episodes of SEASON ONE really let me down. Season 2 was just more of the same. You can build all the intrigue you want, but if you don't ever deliver...you're nothing but a flashy show. This show proved it can't live up to it's own hype with the season one finale....
    ALSO....it's a BIG DEAL that they keep on fucking up who can and cannot use their powers or keep writing themselves into corners....that's called CONSISTENCY people...this show lacks it big time. Ah well.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 5:46:18 PM CDT

    Difference between HEROES and LOST? One sucks!

    by big dumb ape

    First of all, there is a difference between HEROES and LOST -- one makes for terrible TV and the other doesn't. Yes, both can be accused of having meandering plots, but at least LOST manages to knock it out of the park with particular bits or character centric episodes that make you sit back and say "Wow! That totally rocked! Maybe this show IS going someplace. I think I'll give it yet another try next week."HEROES hasn't had that going for it since about the 3/4 mark of Season 1 and the sad truth is that everyone can now look back and pretty much see it. You can literally go back and see where the show started to degenerate. And the biggest problem was that it came out of the gate strong, at which point Kring and NBC decided "Hey, we got ourselves a Hit!" -- and then they made the critical mistake that too often gets made in TV: they decided the fans would never go away, which meant they could play now things safe so they could milk this cow for as long as they could. After all, if it's a hit you don't want to ever shake things up. So now we have a boring show with little effects work and plot points that are not only dragged out, but the internal continuity doesn't even make sense anymore. Truth be told, HEROES is comic book storytelling on the most hack like level.Want further proof of that? Up above Hobocode nailed it when he said: "One look at Hayden in her "evil" outfit and it's impossible not to snicker." And that's really the truth. She does look fucking ridiculous. Does anyone actually buy her as a "bad" girl? She looks fucking silly. When HEROES premiered it felt fresh, now it just feels like a BAD comic book stunt sale -- "Oooh look! Buy this issue because this hero becomes evil this issue! Oooh look! Buy this issue because a team member will die!"...and of course, as all comic fans know, there's always a reset button that sets things right back.Kring blew it with HEROES by never realizing that if they got 3-4 years out of the show (which the ratings and success from S1 pretty much gave him the ammunition towards) that would be pretty damn good. Which meant they should have been looking to mix things up and keep everyone guessing -- but instead as in typical TV they decided that's exactly what they WOULDN'T do because Heaven forbid you upset the "hit" qualities. So good going, Kring and NBC. You went from being a fresh hit to incredibly TIRED and STALE practically overnight.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 5:53:10 PM CDT

    Sup bitches!

    by vegasron

    I see it an hour before any of y'all, so expect mild spoilers and thoughts as we go along.

    I'll put up spoiler alerts if needed.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 5:59:06 PM CDT

    VegasRon! You still getting the Heroes eps an hour

    by pennsy

    before ours? Xiphos2, Wonka, we need 'em all here tonight. :)

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  • Sep 22, 2008 6:03:21 PM CDT

    It's not just that it has a built in reset button

    by melvin_pelvis

    IT HAS SEVERAL LAYERS OF REDUNDANCIES
    Gezuse dewd, grow some balls
    You can't tell a story and keep it static.
    Say what you want about Whedon or ol' dubba jay or the fuckers writing BSG or Lost, they can kill a character.
    A much loved or hated char.
    They can let go and move the story forward.
    Oh, he killed DL.
    Yeah, the only guy who was on top of his powers, dies a punk death.
    I don't have a problem with DL dying. Didn't like the character, don't care much for the actor.
    But the character was written and played as the most compentent with his powers.
    I'm guessing somewhere down the line Nikki and Hiro are going to get reset blood and revive their loved ones.
    This whole show has become pointless.
    The company will have bottomless wells of Adam blod scattered around the globe.
    And Clair will be on hand for the quick fix.
    Way to blow a potentially good story.
    Just because your afraid of change

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  • Sep 22, 2008 6:04:39 PM CDT

    I'm here! can't read the article though

    by badmrwonka

    I be fraids of dem spoilerz...remember I'm on the West Coast (either Seattle or LA, Seattle currently) and so I am WAY late on this. but I'm watching at a friend's house and bringing my macbook. so I will be down like whoa!hey, they played my short film on CNN again this weekend. booyakasha! doesnt' Xiphos hate Heroes now? I remember he was pretty angered by a lot of the flaws from last season. (or as I refer to it, "Diet Heroes".bring back Bryan Fuller! someone else can do pushing daisies!chrth knows the future.Prof. Ikamono has the power of flame, and he only uses it for good! ;o)Ororo has the power of invisibility 9 months of the year!Pennsy wields the sacred sword of Kech-Fraiz!OK, I'm done...

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  • Sep 22, 2008 6:05:44 PM CDT

    Hola Pennsy

    by vegasron

    Let's hope this season doesn't suck donkey parts.

    Did you catch your girl on Leno last week?

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  • Sep 22, 2008 6:11:36 PM CDT

    My girl? I wish, VR.

    by pennsy

    Screw Dax, I say! :)

    Saw her not just on Leno, where if looks could kill, Dane Cook would be a corpse right now with his handjob comment while Kristen described what Elle does, but Craig Ferguson, too. They have a great chemistry together that really shined through.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 6:12:05 PM CDT

    And I swear to god

    by melvin_pelvis

    If Hiro hasn't grown up by now....
    It was cute and fun in the begining, but wer're 1.5 arcs and several losses later

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  • Sep 22, 2008 6:13:11 PM CDT

    You've been damned already, Wonka, so good times.

    by pennsy

    ;)

    Nice to see the old gang reuniting. May the episodes be as entertaining, if not moreso, than the talkback (the reverse of the Emmys, which are looking to be the lowest-rated EVAH).

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  • Sep 22, 2008 6:14:03 PM CDT

    Oh and I can hear the excuses now

    by melvin_pelvis

    *It was because of the writers strike. We couldn't go where we wanted to. And now we're having to try and play catch up*

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  • Sep 22, 2008 6:16:32 PM CDT

    Nope, Melvin_Pelvis *imitates buzzing sound*

    by pennsy

    They've had SEVEN MONTHS - that's 210-odd days, to get this right. No effing excuses will be accepted. Not now.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 6:21:46 PM CDT

    Yeah but

    by melvin_pelvis

    they didn't get to air, what they needed to tlll.
    *We were cut short. All kinds of thigs were going to happen, but we had to condense.
    Hiro was going to travel 5000 years back into the past and help Jesus build the pyramids while riding dinosaurs* etc, etc

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  • Sep 22, 2008 6:25:47 PM CDT

    First 30 mins

    by vegasron

    Future Peter and Dolphin Girl are cool. Everyone else is still semi-boring.

    Maya is actually hotter than last year.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 6:33:59 PM CDT

    oh for fuck's sake

    by vegasron

    The entire scene with sylar and haiden is like a bad horror movie.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 6:41:33 PM CDT

    VegasRon

    by melvin_pelvis

    redefines the term *Skull Fuck*

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  • Sep 22, 2008 6:45:27 PM CDT

    DIE MAYA DIE! and if I may, my 1st 'DOH-hinder!

    by pennsy

    Of the new season.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 6:53:39 PM CDT

    hayden is soooooo hot

    by bacci40

    http://tinyurl.com/4drmno

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  • Sep 22, 2008 6:56:18 PM CDT

    But we'll have to wait until next week

    by melvin_pelvis

    to see Noah change sides

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  • Sep 22, 2008 7:09:20 PM CDT

    Mama P and sylar?

    by history101

    Interesting season 3 preview.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 7:09:57 PM CDT

    KB!

    by vegasron

  • Sep 22, 2008 7:10:34 PM CDT

    Why Heroes sucked from Day One...

    by kasch

    Simply put, there are no stakes in this show. Everybody's got super powers that conveinently save them from everything. Every character who dies comes back - often multiple times. Shows like Buffy, Lost, and Galactica have consequences when they pull big twists. Heroes just treats them like gimmicks and moves on like nothing ever happened. It's a network TV hack's piss-poor imitation (and plagiarism) of popular comic books without a shred of substance. Each episode is the equivilant of the lazy writing in Spider-man 3 amped up 10x.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 7:12:43 PM CDT

    Hands off, VR!

    by pennsy

  • Sep 22, 2008 7:14:20 PM CDT

    Watching The Sarah Connor Chronicles

    by melvin_pelvis

    and it is soooo superior
    Bet it has 1/4 the budget

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  • Sep 22, 2008 7:15:27 PM CDT

    KB = Instant upgrade from episode 1!

    by pennsy

    Das right. Re-spect.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 7:16:27 PM CDT

    pleeze

    by damnkenyans

    Do we really need a hour of the network telling us how cool their show is? >click< Monday Night Football!

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  • Sep 22, 2008 7:17:29 PM CDT

    A little trouble picking friends?

    by history101

    Suresh is an backboneless idiot. Is he suppose to some kind of moral compass?

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  • Sep 22, 2008 7:26:28 PM CDT

    Tonight is Heroes last chance for me

    by tbransonlives

    And after reading what Herc wrote it sounds like a stinker.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 7:28:28 PM CDT

    KB has a kickass scene

    by vegasron

    During the return of HRG.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 7:29:29 PM CDT

    Moral compass

    by melvin_pelvis

    Milo Vermicelli is banging Hayden Pantytroll in rl
    Gossip sites have him as being real upset that she won't move in with him.
    He's 30+, she's like 18.
    Lippy needs a reality fix

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  • Sep 22, 2008 7:31:58 PM CDT

    Kasch, that wasnt how the show was sold

    by bacci40

    the audience was informed from day one that when characters died, they would stay dead...

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  • Sep 22, 2008 7:34:05 PM CDT

    Melvin_Pelvis...hayden is now 19

    by bacci40

    milo is like 32...so what?

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  • Sep 22, 2008 7:37:55 PM CDT

    Penny is on TSCC

    by melvin_pelvis

    And some how or another, her breasts are there with her

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  • Sep 22, 2008 7:38:58 PM CDT

    Yeah

    by melvin_pelvis

    ok, and your point is?

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  • Sep 22, 2008 7:39:11 PM CDT

    The Greatest American Popsicle!

    by vegasron

  • Sep 22, 2008 7:39:21 PM CDT

    Flawed

    by nudeandaroused

    Pardon me, if something is flawed, how can you not be bored? If it is flawed, attention must be distracted. If you are not bored, there can be no flaws. Just curious.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 7:39:26 PM CDT

    Adam

    by history101

    I want to see what he has in store for Hiro when he gets out

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  • Sep 22, 2008 7:49:13 PM CDT

    Because, Like....

    by melvin_pelvis

    the gulf between 18 and like 19 is light years and stuff

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  • Sep 22, 2008 7:49:26 PM CDT

    Hiro

    by history101

    So he just really really slows down time? Reference to Speeder Girl

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  • Sep 22, 2008 7:50:17 PM CDT

    Santiago

    by history101

    Longshot from X-Men?

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  • Sep 22, 2008 7:52:17 PM CDT

    Linderman is

    by vegasron

  • Sep 22, 2008 7:54:43 PM CDT

    Where's the TT:TSCC TB?

    by melvin_pelvis

    These folks are doing a great job

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  • Sep 22, 2008 8:00:08 PM CDT

    Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more...

    by pennsy

    Here we go. And fingers x'd.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 8:01:50 PM CDT

    Melvin_Pelvis....when i was 32, i was bangin a 19 year old

    by bacci40

    if the person is over 18 what is the big deal? sure, emotionally im stuck at 15...but so is milo

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  • Sep 22, 2008 8:05:55 PM CDT

    The scar

    by history101

    Simple, as best we can tell , he can only access one power at a time. He was doing something else when he got it and could not fix.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 8:06:51 PM CDT

    Clare looks so dumb as a bad ass..

    by aversiontherapy2

    Like a My Little Pony smoking a joint.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 8:07:03 PM CDT

    Whoa!

    by pennsy

    See? Claire's blood - nowheres to be found! ;)

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  • Sep 22, 2008 8:10:58 PM CDT

    "I'm extremely interested in money."

    by pennsy

  • Sep 22, 2008 8:12:47 PM CDT

    And so, TSCC teaches us

    by melvin_pelvis

    a permenant loss is poignant

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  • Sep 22, 2008 8:15:27 PM CDT

    Ugh. Kim Bauer is back!

    by pennsy

    2008 edition.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 8:22:11 PM CDT

    dewd

    by melvin_pelvis

    she's barely out of high school
    But, Hey!
    Old enough to Bleed! Old enough to Breed!
    He ought to play with girls in his own age group

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  • Sep 22, 2008 8:22:52 PM CDT

    KNEW it. It was F-Peter

    by pennsy

  • Sep 22, 2008 8:24:02 PM CDT

    re: Clair looks dumb as a badass

    by melvin_pelvis

    where to fucking start

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  • Sep 22, 2008 8:25:27 PM CDT

    Hiro, you is so STOOOOOOOPID.

    by pennsy

    But nice touch with the "I told you not to look in the safe!" George Takei rocks.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 8:25:58 PM CDT

    Hayden must not have an older brother

    by drewlicious

    Seriously I'm sure most people after finding out their little sister's boyfriend is thirteen years wouldn't go out and beat the living hell out of the guy. I can't blame Milo too much, though. Everyone likes 18 year old girls, it doesn't mean we shouldn't get pummelled for following through. Totally worth it I'm sure.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 8:28:00 PM CDT

    huh

    by beatsme

    maybe my standards have been severely lowered, but this is sorta enjoyable so far

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  • Sep 22, 2008 8:29:41 PM CDT

    Is it me or does FuturePeter look like the Terminator

    by pennsy

    when he walks.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 8:33:23 PM CDT

    ok, but the religious thing

    by beatsme

    was insanely cheesy

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  • Sep 22, 2008 8:34:07 PM CDT

    Seriously, I don't get it

    by melvin_pelvis

    Women are at their most magnificent in their 30's
    When you reach 45, you'll realize that.
    No get off my fucking lawn

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  • Sep 22, 2008 8:34:22 PM CDT

    Melvin-Pelvis

    by throwmetheidol

    About Penny - I know and a shame what happened to her. If only she could be a regular on there.

    And IMO, The Sarah Connor Chronicles is much better than Heroes.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 8:40:03 PM CDT

    I guess

    by melvin_pelvis

    thats what passes for zeks in the Kring household
    Wham, Bam, Skull, Fuck, Yoy Mam

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  • Sep 22, 2008 8:41:06 PM CDT

    Well at least he gave her the top of her head back,.

    by pennsy

  • Sep 22, 2008 8:46:44 PM CDT

    Didn't expect to see Caligula *this* soon.

    by pennsy

  • Sep 22, 2008 8:51:59 PM CDT

    this episode is....

    by teenangst73

    uber lame. i'm severely disappointed.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 8:52:30 PM CDT

    OK, so far. And it almost cuts like a knife to say this..

    by pennsy

    but Dania Ramirez is actually fair here. A gazillion % improvement; she's no K-Bell, though.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 8:54:45 PM CDT

    Woah. Prune Face just showd up

    by melvin_pelvis

    If I had hemeroids, they'd all be pinched off now

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  • Sep 22, 2008 8:57:21 PM CDT

    Pennsy

    by vegasron

    It's cuz her dialogue isn't total shit. She's not a bad actress at all, just almost her entire screentime last season was wasted in one of the worst realized story arcs I've ever seen.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 8:57:45 PM CDT

    Sylar’s “bad taco” line.

    by sakurai

    Are you insane? That was good? Herc, you just lost a lot of respect from me. What a horrible horrible line. I cant stand this show anymore. I'm through.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 8:58:26 PM CDT

    Well, heck, I'm rather enjoying it

    by larry of arabia

    Sorry haters. That first hour was fun. Good, mindless fun.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 8:59:54 PM CDT

    Asthetic

    by rosebudsthesled

    I'm growing really tired of just the basic asthetic of this show. It's possibly the most pretentious thing on TV...it's coming to the point where 'requiring' your viewers to sit through five minutes of plot in an hour long show becomes bullying...and how in the world is being bullied entertaining? They said this episode was going to move faster, and i suppose more is going on, but for the love of God, it is NOT getting anywhere in the story faster. It's just frusterating to watch TV that doesnt feel the need to actually tell an intirguing story...I'm about to give up on this...

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:01:03 PM CDT

    Cue Harry with an innappropriate cheerleader line...

    by br1947

  • Sep 22, 2008 9:03:15 PM CDT

    He's the fly

    by larry of arabia

    maggot babies!

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:03:52 PM CDT

    Sonya Walger don't get enough work

    by melvin_pelvis

    and it's a shame
    By hollywood standards she's nearing her expiration date.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:04:41 PM CDT

    Holy Shite...

    by rosebudsthesled

    This is on for another hour! I'm done for the night haha...back to my Freaks and Geeks (picked it up at HMV for $35.99 Canadian) - why has it been so bloody expensive? On to episode 11...

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:04:49 PM CDT

    Milk does Mohinder good.

    by pennsy

  • Sep 22, 2008 9:04:54 PM CDT

    That whole "good, mindless fun" line

    by vegasron

    was invented for idiots. Though usually reserved by Bay apologists, it's good to see the myopic Heroes fanboys running that flag up the pole again.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:05:46 PM CDT

    Ummm...why didn't future Peter just talk to Nathan...

    by chaseguy17

    Nathan seems like a pretty reasonable guy. I don't think he'd want to destroy the future. Ha. Seems rather easy. How dumb. Kills his own brother without even trying to negotiate.

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  • And Michigan's best actress is warming up in the bullpen.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:06:36 PM CDT

    Rosebuds

    by vegasron

    The second hour is actually a fair bit better.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:06:51 PM CDT

    sick of serums....

    by teenangst73

    i HATE it when a show introduces some stupid serum that give/takes away powers from the people who've really got them. it never works and is a cliche and ruins the whole premise of the show. case in point (a movie): X-MEN 3. and every other show that had a plot point where the hero had their powers taken away. Powers SHOULD NOT be able to come and go that easily unless there was something like kryptonite. That's what makes them special. LAME. I'M SO PISSED AT THIS SHOW RIGHT NOW. Back to form? MY ASS.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:08:41 PM CDT

    doh!hinder

    by melvin_pelvis

    (sung to the tune of Spiderman)
    Spiderman- Spiderman
    You ain't no fuckin Spiderman
    Try as hard as you can
    You ain't no fuckin no Spiderman

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:08:50 PM CDT

    Suresh gets poetical and Boom!

    by macfaux

    giggity! giggity!...thank you come again! ..the yeats poem, fwiw"
    "Turning and turning in the widening gyre
    The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
    Things fall apart; the center cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.

    Surely some revelation is at hand;
    Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
    The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
    When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
    Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
    A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
    A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
    Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
    Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
    The darkness drops again; but now I know
    That twenty centuries of stony sleep
    Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
    And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
    Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?"

    Joe Biden probably shouldn't make dunkin donut racial cracks about hindis around Dr. Mohinder..I feel Suresh's inner Ghandi is gone, baby, gone!

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:09:33 PM CDT

    I've been waiting since December 11, 2007 to say this...

    by pennsy

    KRISTEN BELL IN THE HOUSE, BEEYOTCHES! :D

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:10:09 PM CDT

    Mohinder's a pimp.

    by vanchimera

    That is all. I still fucking hate him, though.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:10:27 PM CDT

    Mohinder Brundle

    by klytus_i.m_bored

    Conscious homage or not? I'm saying conscious.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:10:44 PM CDT

    wtf was that (done et mah post)

    by melvin_pelvis

    weirdness prevails, the stuff thet wat in the body ess in the title?
    Ehh, huh

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:12:33 PM CDT

    What's with the extra camp?

    by br1947

    or do I just not remember it?

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:12:54 PM CDT

    Okay, I've decided...

    by vanchimera

    The lack of coherent or even legible comments in this talkback is infinitely worse than any bad dialogue Kring can throw at us.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:13:41 PM CDT

    holy crap

    by sitchin

    Greatest American Hero dude! Suddenly I'm on top of the world!

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:15:11 PM CDT

    Take Two?

    by melvin_pelvis

    (sung to the tune of Spiderman)
    Spiderman, Spiderman
    You ain't no fucking Spiderman
    Blah blah blah
    the rest lost in the server hicup

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:15:36 PM CDT

    Do we really need...

    by merlox

    Claire bitching about feeling like a "freak" again?....the answer is no....no we don't.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:16:55 PM CDT

    Why does Nathan need to get shot in order to stop him?

    by jccalhoun

    So Peter can travel back in time but not one hour earlier so he can just say, "Hey I'm from the future so don't give that speech, bro?"And where is Nathan's wife and kids? Did they just disappear?

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:17:07 PM CDT

    ugh....

    by teenangst73

    why do i still watch this show?

    BRING ON LOST!

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:17:10 PM CDT

    Im thinking that's Jessica...

    by merlox

    Nikki is dead....but the REAL Jessica seems to be alive and well....and totally into politics.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:18:54 PM CDT

    VegasRon

    by larry of arabia

    Lemme get this straight. If I don't mind a show for being silly and goofy I'm an idiot? Dude, get a life. Some of the best Superman stories had Lex Luthor on a living on a planet called Lexor for God's sake. Watch Take the Money and Run. Try to enjoy the 4th Dr. Not everything is Brecht.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:19:12 PM CDT

    If you don't care about any of the characters

    by melvin_pelvis

    does a bear crap in the woods?

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:21:36 PM CDT

    if he's so peeved about it, why doesn't Peter

    by hercules

    go back in time and stop Syler from stealing Claire's power?

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:22:00 PM CDT

    "Special Guest Star"

    by pennsy

    My ass. Bell should be a series regular. Just five episodes? Bummer deluxe

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:22:03 PM CDT

    Sylar and brains

    by mrd

    He doesn't have to remove brains. He needs to study them to see how the power works. I'm pretty sure this was established in S1. In most cases, that would be fatal, and likely easier if the brain were removed, but in Claire's case, he can study the brain without killing her.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:23:20 PM CDT

    HOLY CRAP

    by teenangst73

    WAS THAT... FROM VERONICA MARS.... WAS THAT.... NO WAY!

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:23:39 PM CDT

    Veronica Mars and Weevil!

    by victornewman

    I'm having VM flashbacks!

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:25:24 PM CDT

    so....

    by teenangst73

    bring on the veronica mars movie bitches!

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:26:29 PM CDT

    HOLY SHIT!

    by pennsy

    That's what she said, Sylar. Wow.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:27:52 PM CDT

    He's gonna eat Kristen Bell!!!

    by br1947

    Sylar is now officially my hero! lol

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:28:58 PM CDT

    re: if he's so peeved about it, why doesn't Peter

    by melvin_pelvis

    becaue then the story wouldn't be badly written would it?
    You should be happy young man.
    Back in my day all we had to look forward to was dogs lickin themselves
    But then that was more unpredictable than this shit

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:30:41 PM CDT

    lame...

    by teenangst73

    hiro is the villain in the future vision. duh. i just saved everyone a whole season.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:33:23 PM CDT

    It's either a healing factor

    by melvin_pelvis

    or the writer are retards

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:34:22 PM CDT

    or

    by melvin_pelvis

    they think we are

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:34:41 PM CDT

    I watch both Heroes and Smallville (a guilty pleasure)

    by victornewman

    and I keep getting told by fellow viewers how Heroes is so much better than Smallville. After season 2 and what I've seen tonight, I've doubting those people. It seems to me this show is falling into Smallville territory

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:35:04 PM CDT

    okay.

    by teenangst73

    that was pretty cool.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:35:18 PM CDT

    william katt

    by sitchin

    greatest american popsicle

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:35:37 PM CDT

    @Hercules - Ah, Come on!

    by macfaux

    Have you not listened to a word Mrs. Hawking has said. It is the Desmond Dilemma"

    "Had I warned him about the scaffolding, tomorrow he'd be hit by a taxi. Had I warned him about the taxi, he'd fall in the shower and break his neck. The universe, unfortunately, has a way of course-correcting. That man was supposed to die; that was his path. Just as it's your path to go to the island. You don't do it because you choose to, Desmond. You do it because you're supposed to..."

    Change one thing and another thing will happen. The Universe, Herc, has a way of...course correcting.

    Oooooooh, nice...instant freeze pop! Nikki is a cold cold...well.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:36:11 PM CDT

    There can't be a scar

    by melvin_pelvis

    *THERE ARE ***** LIGHTS!*

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:36:42 PM CDT

    A real icebreaker, this Tracy...

    by pennsy

    Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:36:54 PM CDT

    wtf,

    by teenangst73

    an advertisement for.... ONE DOLLAR COINS? give me some of that!

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:37:44 PM CDT

    *glares at br1947*

    by pennsy

  • Sep 22, 2008 9:40:55 PM CDT

    Elle shoulda fried Mama Petrelli right then and there.

    by pennsy

    Opportunity missed.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:41:47 PM CDT

    How can there be a scar?

    by melvin_pelvis

    the blood heals from death
    Poindexter has the cheerleaders healing factor
    He ain't even daid.
    There is no scar
    Within the rules they set down
    There can be no scar

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:43:02 PM CDT

    I want you on my staff...

    by d_t

  • Sep 22, 2008 9:43:33 PM CDT

    There is no scar...

    by amy chasing

    in the Matrix.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:44:11 PM CDT

    uh oh

    by teenangst73

    mohinder fucked a reptile and now he got scales.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:44:14 PM CDT

    www.noscar.com

    by victornewman

    I miss Arrested Development

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:44:38 PM CDT

    Ewwww...

    by pennsy

    Stop shedding like that, Doh!hinder.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:45:07 PM CDT

    Mohinder = Beast?

    by br1947

  • Sep 22, 2008 9:45:13 PM CDT

    That's why I never inject myself with experimental formulas

    by larry of arabia

    Dude's a scientist. Shouldn't he have a henchmonkey or something?

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:45:32 PM CDT

    The Fly

    by klytus_i.m_bored

    Chapter and verse. "My... ear..."

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:45:51 PM CDT

    the mystery of the scar solved!

    by teenangst73

    peter thinks the scar makes him look bad ass so he uses one of the kajillion powers he has to make a scar that won't go away.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:47:47 PM CDT

    Suresh is ripped

    by aversiontherapy2

    Was he built like that last season?

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:48:05 PM CDT

    Done stealing from comics and now stealing from Cronenberg

    by jccalhoun

    When I saw Mohinder hanging from the ceiling I was like, "They aren't going to rip off The Fly, are they?" Well now it looks like they almost certainly are. That's some creativity there...

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:48:26 PM CDT

    should've kept sylar dead

    by teenangst73

    i'm sick of his character.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:49:41 PM CDT

    ha

    by sitchin

    should have gone with sprint

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:49:50 PM CDT

    "There can be no scar"

    by aversiontherapy2

    Of course there can, the rules are only the rules we know. It's entirely possible that someone's super power can cause that scar, someone we haven't met yet.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:50:14 PM CDT

    pacman?

    by teenangst73

  • Sep 22, 2008 9:50:17 PM CDT

    Going all Jeff Goldblum...

    by d_t

    ...fly? Spider? Sweet potato?

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:51:41 PM CDT

    nice Sprint plug

    by victornewman

    I'm suprised he didnt offer him some Stride gum
    cough*Smallville Territory*cough

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:52:44 PM CDT

    Spirit Walk? No.no.no.no.no..

    by macfaux

    Well, the PTB just did some such all right now if they are smart enough to cast Ntare Mwine. Powerful actor.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:53:03 PM CDT

    wtf

    by teenangst73

    now they have a magneto on the show? marvel should sue!! or is it dc... i don't really know.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:56:33 PM CDT

    Amy Chasing

    by melvin_pelvis

    we got to get together so you can grope me in the dark and i reply *no! sleep time*

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:56:51 PM CDT

    "You should've gone with Sprint."

    by pennsy

    Shameless product placement there.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:57:55 PM CDT

    LAAAAAAME.

    by teenangst73

    sylar and peter and nathan are brothers? lame plot point that i bet they JUST came up with.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:58:21 PM CDT

    Doh!hinder needs a bro

    by melvin_pelvis

    Named *Fuckthisshit*

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  • Sep 22, 2008 9:58:41 PM CDT

    Mama Petrelli gets around

    by br1947

  • Sep 22, 2008 9:58:46 PM CDT

    *darth vader voice*

    by teenangst73

    "They never told you what happened to your mother."

    "They told me enough!"

    "No, I am your mother!"

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  • Sep 22, 2008 10:00:25 PM CDT

    god

    by melvin_pelvis

    that was embarsing
    and they tried sooooo hard

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  • Sep 22, 2008 10:01:16 PM CDT

    TeenAngst73

    by melvin_pelvis

    you forgot the breathy parts

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  • Sep 22, 2008 10:01:36 PM CDT

    So iver everyone's kids have powers...

    by jccalhoun

    and there have been people with powers as far back as 1671, then shouldn't a huge percentage of the population have powers?

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  • Sep 22, 2008 10:02:11 PM CDT

    Bennett/Sylar '08

    by scotfree

    I'd vote for them.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 10:03:15 PM CDT

    TTSCC > Heroes

    by melvin_pelvis

    by a gulf of light years

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  • Sep 22, 2008 10:04:32 PM CDT

    And yet...

    by vanchimera

    Most of you will still watch. Still better than half the bullshit on tv.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 10:04:52 PM CDT

    that speedster

    by strokerx

    is hot...i'd bang her...and kristin bell...i'd bang her too.
    Peter already is screwing with time hell why stop now...just bounce around till you get it right..but then what show would we have?
    And if peter is inside that spanish dude...where the hell is the spanish dude?

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  • Sep 22, 2008 10:05:54 PM CDT

    Mama Petrelli's real power

    by alientoast

    is being a bastard mother.

    Ew...that kinda makes the Sylar/Claire thing slightly incestuous! Then again, there's already that with the Peter/Claire thing, so I guess it runs in the family.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 10:06:04 PM CDT

    Episode 2 >> Episode 1. But the jury's still out...

    by pennsy

    Which is a good thing. Give it a chance, folks. It may turn out good.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 10:06:37 PM CDT

    Yeah and Ando totallay pulled a Kamehameha

    by strokerx

    yup...he did

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  • Sep 22, 2008 10:07:34 PM CDT

    Did HRG

    by larrytate

    get more face bumps in the off season? maybe just less makeup in this live pre-show crap. Back to football...

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  • Sep 22, 2008 10:08:17 PM CDT

    Heroes is laughably bad

    by thegreenstyle

    as I called in the first season. I keep trying to stop watching it but I keep getting pulled back in! (by family who still watch it and have it on. I would have happily quit halfway through season 1 and never looked back.)

    I almost shot milk out my nose when Mrs. Petrelli said she was sylar's mom. True or not, it's a real stupid attempt at "twist" never the less

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  • Sep 22, 2008 10:08:25 PM CDT

    If its on

    by melvin_pelvis

    and there is nothing else that draws my attention.
    I might not change the channel.
    Same 'ol' same ol'
    yawhn

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  • Sep 22, 2008 10:10:55 PM CDT

    Count me in on those who think Angie is *persuading*

    by pennsy

    Sylar he's from her womb.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 10:12:39 PM CDT

    So, let's get this straight...

    by thegreenstyle

    Nathan is gonna start a cult movement that uses acquisition of Superpowers as a central feature and the formula stabilizes Suerresh's formula and it's all gonna be solved by Nathan shoving his until she falls down, and is defeated, right?

    Heroes be lame.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 10:17:46 PM CDT

    oooh, just wait til i watch this thing

    by samurai sark

    im gonna be all over this tb like stank on a ballsack. Too bad most people wont give a fuck by then. It really is a good thing there's all these people here to remind me how bad they hate Heroes.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 10:17:47 PM CDT

    Not great....

    by kcviking

    At least better than season 2 imo.A bi-polar medication ad...really?

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  • Sep 22, 2008 10:17:51 PM CDT

    This show is so fucking ridiculous ....

    by samueljackson1

    you just can't help but watch. It's like a goddamn daytime spanish soap opera with super powers.

    Who cares that the writing and acting from half the cast (Greg Grunberg, Masi Oka and Adrian Pasdar deserve to be on better shows) is bad? this show is so hilariously absurd i'm watching just to see what crazy twist they do next.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 10:18:02 PM CDT

    "Thanks, turtle."

    by pennsy

    Hey, Matt was desperate.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 10:18:39 PM CDT

    Fire the Psychotic Lightning Lass.

    by hercules

    Let her do her own thing. That'll keep the lid on the precious superhero secret.

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  • Yes, the writing has been awful & spotty at best, but part of the problem is that:
    1. You have a show where everybody has godlike superpowers, rendering them nigh invincible - especially characters like Sylar, Hiro, and Peter (and, to a lesser extent, Claire). This makes it easy to fall into massive plotholes like the ones Herc mentioned. The characters are just too all-powerful, instead of having more contained powers like Matt Parkman, Magneto, or Elle. When you're an immortal, time-traveling, mind-reading, fire shooting, teleporting, flying superhero, all possibilities for a real challenge go out the window. Plots become strained and illogical because characters like this can solve matters in 5 minutes, then be home for dinner.
    2. The writers pull their punches. Major characters they kill NEVER die, and they're too scared to move on from older season plots (like the Season 1 Sylar thing; Sylar is STILL the bogeyman...yawn). Therefore, there is no credibility in the peril these characters are in; added to Point #1 above, this eliminates tension. They need to start hitting hard like Lost & 24 (well, 24 in its better seasons) and progress from tired storylines into new territory. Enough with the paper company, enough with Sylar, enough with Mohinder & Maya.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 10:19:29 PM CDT

    Wasn't Sylar capable of killing Claire before?

    by raymar

    In two different alternate realities? Why did he say he couldn't kill Claire even if he wanted to? Am I just being too literal?

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  • Sep 22, 2008 10:19:50 PM CDT

    huckleberry, that post was so nice, i could suck you dry

    by samurai sark

    One more for the cheap seats
    "I just got back from my second viewing of Dark Knight, and I came to the realization that after a groundbreaking reboot, the series has nowhere to go but down. Ledger's Joker is the greatest villain I've ever seen in a comic adaptation. It won't be topped anytime soon. He represents the anarchist genius, Lecter with a bazooka. He captures the apathy of true evil, creating death only as amusement. A mad and rabid dog, as was symbolized in the film. The devil. It won't be surpassed any time soon and why bother? The natural evolution of this series should now lead from man vs Devil to man vs God. That is the elemental conflict that was explored at the end of Miller's Dark Knight Returns. He knew that it was the only logical finale. The powerless human, armed only with his cunning, against a living God, who serves humanity but let's face it, is a bit out of touch. His innocence and naivety is a weakness that can turn him into weapon. I always liked the fact that Batman won that showdown in Returns. He is the underdog, so he tries harder. And it seemed realistic, as the biggest problem with Superman is that his flawless nature makes him a bit superficial. He's like the jock in high school who never had to work very hard for success. He needs to be brought down a notch, and who better to do it? Bust out the kryptonite gloves!"
    Except for the 'Clark as a cocky jock' bit, you got my vote.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 10:23:16 PM CDT

    LMAO, Herc...

    by pennsy

    But now Kristen only has four episodes left before she says bye-bye. :((((( And it'll be the show's loss.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 10:25:05 PM CDT

    The guy who plays sylar

    by melvin_pelvis

    after heroes and the new st movie
    You will never see him again
    Heroes inertia will last until next season
    But thats it for this pathetic mess

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  • Sep 22, 2008 10:27:42 PM CDT

    MacFaux

    by hercules

    Does Peter believe the universe has a way of course correcting? Is that why he doesn't go back in time to stop Syler from cracking open Claire's skull?

    If Peter knows he can't change the future, why doesn't he just return to 2012?

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  • Sep 22, 2008 10:29:45 PM CDT

    The more I think about it

    by alientoast

    The more it makes sense that Hiro was evil in that future and Ando was the good guy. Because Ando has AWESOME powers and he cannot become a villain.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 10:36:15 PM CDT

    This was one big pile of mess

    by ziah_vaempiir

    There aren't words to describe the terrible-ness of what they did to the show. After not missing an episode for 1.5 years I think i'm done. Maybe if i'm bored after chuck I'll catch up once in awhile. Makes me sad!

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  • Sep 22, 2008 10:36:46 PM CDT

    Course correcting- nah

    by zerogundamx

    I think the reason Peter doesn't go back and stop Sylar from capping Claire, is because he's worried about something worse happening in its wake.

    Time travel is the least worrysome reset button on the show.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 10:37:22 PM CDT

    Oh come on Herc

    by melvin_pelvis

    you can't possibly want to give this tripe any kind of credibility.
    Is there big phat cheque in this?
    The heroes brand name carries a lot of weight, they gotta be throwing money around. Carears on the line.
    Product Placment baby!.
    Don't empower this shit.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 10:43:32 PM CDT

    News Flash: Huge Diamond Discovered

    by smerdyakov

    World economy SAVED!!

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  • Sep 22, 2008 10:48:50 PM CDT

    Fuck time travel.

    by seanny_d

    Seriously. Time travel should not even be ATTEMPTED unless you fully understand what you're doing with the story. Because you write yourself into so many fucking corners that it's IMPOSSIBLE to get yourself out of it. On top of that, can the heroes ever stop a threat in the, I don't know, PRESENT? Christ almighty. Why must we always SEE the "potential future" when we KNOW that it's not going to be what happens anyway. That being said, I was actually entertained. Season 2 bored the living shit out of me. I was watching and nothing was happening. At least this year shit is happening, even if it's poorly written shit that's happening. I enjoyed it, I was entertained, and I will continue watching. There just seems to be no focus. Despite the fact they had months off to prepare for this, things seem to be buckling under its own ambitions. Oh well. Let's see where this goes.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 10:50:42 PM CDT

    In her short time on screen, Kristen rocked. As usual.

    by pennsy

    Birdie for the course.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 10:57:41 PM CDT

    Thank god

    by melvin_pelvis

    My InuYasha movie box set arrived.
    For 4 weeks I won't be tempted to watch this.
    I just wish the series would reach some kind of sane price.
    (Wadda ya think? am I selling it or do I really like InuYasha?)
    iow there are far better soaps out there
    By people that *get it*

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  • Sep 22, 2008 11:01:27 PM CDT

    Heroes is back HUGE

    by jimbojones123

    Very Nice.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 11:11:59 PM CDT

    the Irish chick

    by the only woj

    what ever happened to her? did Peter just leave her in the future?

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  • Sep 22, 2008 11:15:37 PM CDT

    Re: the Irish chick

    by jdl82

    He did worse than that. He left her in a future that he eventually prevented, thus possibly erasing her very existence.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 11:16:11 PM CDT

    SamuelJackson1

    by logan-x

    You totally hit upon the exact reason I watch this garbage. I always want to see just which X-Men books they're ripping off this week.

    This show is godawful. Herc was right, they never pay attention to what has come before or that the characters even have powers most of the time. That scene between Elle and Old Lady Petrelli was ridiculous. If the show was honest with itself, this is how the scene would have gone:
    Old Lady: You're fired, blondie.
    Elle: Eat lightning, bitch!

    At least when Wolverine and Cyclops would get into arguments, Logan had the decency to pop his claws, you know, because that's what he does.

    So, in watching the last 10 minutes and preview of next week, it looks like that, yes, they are indeed turning Suresh into Spider-Man and that there is a character called "The German" who "controls magnetic energy." Word? Was he a Holocaust survivor too, or would that have DEFINITELY brought a lawsuit from Marvel? Lame.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 11:18:33 PM CDT

    omfg that was awesome. Xmen-ian Style Plot Twists!

    by atomica

    Damn that was the shit. LOVED it. Not perfect, but riveting and involving and it drew me in the whole time. And MEGATON ending. Fucking awesome.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 11:21:14 PM CDT

    P.S.

    by jdl82

    That was just one of the many story flaws of Season Two. A related flaw was Peter's willingness to believe Adam's assurances that preventing the future that he had left the girl in would ultimately reunite the two of them.
    It's funny. In Season One, Peter was an intelligent and very well developed character. If you ask me, the LEGITIMATE Heroes story ended in that moving episode wherein Noah sacrifices all of his memories of his daughter Claire and then allows himself to be non-lethally shot just to protect her. The ILLEGITIMATE stories began with the next episode, which *gasp* revealed that the Hatian had only erased Noah's most recent memories of Claire.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 11:22:21 PM CDT

    The only thing missing is

    by melvin_pelvis

    banjo music

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  • Sep 22, 2008 11:34:09 PM CDT

    I loved it

    by shakes

    some of the best new tv of the season, def getting bumped up in the priority rankings on my dvr.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 11:35:01 PM CDT

    Future Hiro doesn't have glasses....

    by jimbojones123

    Don't know who the hell the other Hiro was???

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  • Sep 22, 2008 11:39:48 PM CDT

    why were the brains of Sylar’s other victims removed

    by smackfu

    I agree with all your gripes except this one. With the other victims, he took their brains home with him so he could take his time in studying them...this time he was bleeding to death and had to do his work on the spot. Basically, he either tries to figure her out right there on the spot, or he dies.

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  • Sep 22, 2008 11:44:54 PM CDT

    pure taint

    by melvin_pelvis

    and you know its true

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  • Sep 22, 2008 11:46:46 PM CDT

    after all this time

    by melvin_pelvis

    you just don't give an eff about any character because you *know* no death is permanent

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  • Sep 22, 2008 11:55:07 PM CDT

    For the Terminator>Heroes crowd.

    by jimbojones123

    How did John almost get killed this week? Oh yeah, he didn't realize he was the target AGAIN! When is he going to stop being a dumbass? Wait, he was also there becasue mommy didn't trust him with important information again? When is she going to stop being a dumbass? Wait, isn't David Green supposed to keep them all from being Dumbass Victims? When is he going to stop being a dumbass? Wait, why would Willownater stop to watch the guy doing the robot? When will she stop being a dumbass?

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  • Sep 22, 2008 11:56:52 PM CDT

    Ando is to good guy as

    by jimbojones123

    Jin is to alive on Lost. Red Lightning!!! He's on a mission the whole time, knowing that Hiro will fall to the darkside. The red color is a Star Wars illusion to throw off the overobservant nerdish types.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 12:00:31 AM CDT

    Moral of this talkback: You write about time-travel,

    by amy chasing

    you better do it smartly. Just look at what happened to Star Trek.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 12:06:27 AM CDT

    Why should I give a fuck

    by larrytate

    about any of these characters? Once you can heal and time travel... you can work your way out of anything. It's called LAZY WRITING. When is lost back?

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  • Sep 23, 2008 12:06:48 AM CDT

    i can't believe no one else pointed it out

    by holodigm

    one of the level 5 guys MARLO STANFIELD, BITCHES

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  • Sep 23, 2008 12:07:47 AM CDT

    so what happened to the hot irish chick from least season?

    by slder78

    she got detained and then what? sent to Guantanamo? shouldn't Peter be more concerned about that?

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  • Sep 23, 2008 12:10:53 AM CDT

    re: For the Terminator>Heroes crowd

    by melvin_pelvis

    I think moms gonna smack the cocky prick out of him.
    iow I think he's been relying on a false aura of invulnerability.
    And a whole lotta luck.
    Remember the guy suffers from survivors guilt from somthing that hasn't even happened yet.
    Get over it John!

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  • Sep 23, 2008 12:16:24 AM CDT

    TIME TRAVEL is a mistake & over used in HEROES.

    by stereotypical evil archer

    Sounds like they need some writers. I'm up for it.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 12:20:13 AM CDT

    Time travel

    by jsm1978

    Is definitely the biggest problem with this show. Why wouldn't Hiro just go back in time and stop his moron self from opening the safe? Oh, right, because that would require him to have half a brain, and all the characters in this show are idiots.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 12:25:57 AM CDT

    Peter should only have powers for a limited time.

    by stereotypical evil archer

    That would keep his character interesting. Sylar needs to pick and choose what powers he steals; one too many powers and he overdoses.Put the "characters" in jeopardy, not the world. Who cares about the world, get to the gritty core and make this television to remember.
    I mostly liked both episodes tonight, but it could have been more effective had it only been one episode.They should have more truly human characters, a human without a power can still be a HERO.Keep it fast. Keep it dark. Keep it in the present. And go bugnuts crazy, quit playing it safe. Expose the mutants to the world; don't cover it up each season.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 12:32:27 AM CDT

    Where's the talkback for No Heroics?

    by amy chasing

    I just read about it. No Heroics is a comedy that I think debuts this Thursday on ITV2 at 10:30pm. Looks fun, google it.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 12:35:46 AM CDT

    oh and..

    by larrytate

    that little kid actor in the pre-show with the suit on, unbuttoned shirt and gold chain.... hahaha... what are you, 12?
    I hate this show

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  • Sep 23, 2008 12:54:11 AM CDT

    So, what's your character's motivation?

    by digitalcos

    The writers need to take the plot from point A to point B.Yeah, but what about what the audience has learned about your character as a person based on past decisions? Don't we need to be consistent to flesh out your character and encourage the audience to become emotionally invested?No.Well, ok, but after a while won't the "Hey, wouldn't it be cool to have superpowers" factor get old? Won't the audience need something more than just a convoluted plot to follow to keep them watching?Probably, but that’s all we’re gonna give ‘em.Well, than why should I keep watching?Because, hey, wouldn’t it be cool to have superpowers?

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  • Sep 23, 2008 12:56:57 AM CDT

    The answers to all of Herc's "Not So Good" questions...

    by bob cryptonight

    ...is that HEROES is just a soap opera, like YOUNG AND THE RESTLESS, except that it has people with superpowers. The writing has never risen above that level (thus all those serious holes in the storylines). This is not a groundbreaking show. The writers are not that talented or ambitious. The only clever aspect of the show is using superhero characters in a soap opera.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 1:04:39 AM CDT

    it makes me want to punch babies

    by larrytate

  • Sep 23, 2008 1:09:52 AM CDT

    Yeah...

    by jsm1978

    The whole "the world of the future is horrible and we have to fix it" for the third straight season is just... ugh. I'm going to give this one more episode, then...

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  • Sep 23, 2008 1:11:18 AM CDT

    HEROES taught me that in the future...

    by pirateemery

    ...everyone uses an excessive amount of hair gel. Because when you slick your hair back with gel, you MUST be from the future!

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  • Sep 23, 2008 1:20:03 AM CDT

    Hec.....About the Time Travel thing...

    by lukecash

    Everytime Hiro went back in time and got involved, he made things worse. That is why he won't go back in time anymore.
    Future Pete, didn't realize that he made things worse...The universe changes with every thing he does.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 1:32:17 AM CDT

    All my X'es lives in TeXas

    by melvin_pelvis

    Harry how about you *ahem* weigh in on this.
    Some of us have been begging for a Supernatural TB.
    But can't get one .
    Yet this crap goes on and on.
    Nothing new here, nothing to see, just a carny barker hawking his hos

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  • Sep 23, 2008 1:41:50 AM CDT

    Can we squeeze in any more new characters....

    by aloy

    ....or plot twists here?? I mean c'mon this is starting to look like a Robert Jordan, Wheel of Time book. Any more complications and it's bail time.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 1:46:03 AM CDT

    Huge improvement over last season

    by bullet3

    The writing is still full of huge logic gaps as a result of all the time travel stuff, but at least shit is happening. These were probably the most effects heavy episodes of the whole series. I think the people writing it off are being unreasonable. All the effects with speed girl, the fight with sylar and elle, the future stuff, its all extremely cool and entertaining. Plus, with a bunch of cool villains on the loose, it looks like the season could have some real cool battles in the future.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 1:56:18 AM CDT

    I think Sylar removes the brain just for the fun of it.

    by bob cryptonight

    That's how it has seemed from the beginning. He's an evil fuck so why not cut out the brain while stealing the power?

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  • Sep 23, 2008 2:13:52 AM CDT

    Improved Pacing alone...

    by maestro610

    Does not mean this show has improved any. In fact all it shows is that it will shove the bad storylines down your throat even faster. Elle is completely unappreciated and totally misused. She is violent, desperate for attention, and the only person to subdue Sylar with one superpower completely on her own... TWICE! So what do we do with her? Fire her from the Company of course. But do we get to see her as a fun vigilante hunting down and killing released villains? No it'll be HRG and Sylar teaming up to hunt them down. Then lets not even get started with Mohinder's idiocy. I'm glad he and Maya got together but its extremely wasteful and a fairly useless storyline considering the only interesting event of the night besides the escape. Hiro, Ando Daphne and the formula are the story of the season as far as I'm concerned. I hate that Daphne can move when he stops time, I'd prefer she's so fast that by when he stops time she's too far away. That said she's got something interesting to do and she's with the best characters on the show. Finally, Angela is Sylar's REAL mother... I'm really hoping that the midpoint this season is a giant reset button, done by killing Claire prior to the manifestation of her powers.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 2:17:21 AM CDT

    how sad

    by ianrewel

    that maya doesn't even know where the fuck she's from, seeing as guatemalais not in south america

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  • Sep 23, 2008 2:18:29 AM CDT

    ok, here you go folks...(and Herc)

    by badmrwonka

    -the 8:00 - 9:00 thing was the worst piece of shit EVER. here's an idea, we are about to sit down to 2 hours of these people in character, the LAST THING we should see is them wearing fake tan, slicked up drinking martinis at some douchebag hollywood party! whoever's idea it was to do that should be instantly fired. and here's another tip: if you're doing an hour-long recap, recap SOME OF THE FUCKING PLOT POINTS, not glimpses of the future that make no sense, and 3 second sound bites about each character that make no sense. it was the television equivalent of Epic Movie. (oh, remember that? remember him? remember her? YES WE FUCKING DO, WE FUCKING WATCH THE SHOW! just pathetically horrible.-the episodes were alright, a little convoluted. it felt like at times they were afraid of seeming to "start slow" like last season, so they were stuffing too much into the first "2" episodes. and if they were planning on showing them back to back? what is the point of cliffhangers? hey, note to self: Mohinder laying on the ground possibly dead carried a lot of weight...FOR 10 FUCKING SECONDS UNTIL THE NEXT EPISODE STARTED.
    -no one wants to see Hiro and Ando fight. I know what they're trying to do, but stop it. if it goes on for more than one more episode, people are going to start to cry foul. Ando has the power of !AWESOME!.-possible choices for Mohinder's new name, now that he has powers? "Mo' Hinder" "Mofacilitate" (or "Moimprove") "Brundlehinder"
    -Herc, I got the sense that Peter was playing with strings in the apartment to try to figure out the best course of action now that he's screwed things up. he went back and shot Nathan, and that fucked shit up. he can't just go back and do something else and be sure of fixing anything. instead of just saying he's stupid, can we at least TRY to give the benefit of the doubt and say that he did an impetuous thing by going back and shooting Nathan (remember, in his timeframe, it happened pretty quickly. claire shoots, he dodges, gets the gun, pops out, puts on a hat, blim blam blammity bam, so instead of being impetuous again and doing more harm, he's being careful both in what he does, and what he says, as the scenes with Nathan and Claire show.
    the speedy chick is hot, but she is a little too much of a Kristen Bell look alike. can we get a redhead up in this piece? her name ideas? The Ferosh Flash? Eat my Pixie Dust? (never mind, that one was a joke) Hot Topic? Frizzleflash? man, it's late, I can't think of any good ones...
    -the shit with Parkman was good. just enough to give us a sense of what might be, and keep the ideas flowing, but not too much. I wish every plot line had been left at a point like that.-next week looks ridiculous. Sylar and HRG? it's like they have to match up each character with each other character at least once. don't overdo it. there better be a HUGELY good reason why a) HRG is back with mama pterelli after she locked him up, b) Sylar would actually help anyone (even if she IS his mom), c) why anyone doesn't just kill her (all she has is some dream nonsense power that she doesn't seem to put much stock in since she's helping Sylar, and the power of !WRINKLE!)
    -Herc's right, good pacing. none of the scenes seemed to drag, and that was good.-wht the hell wouldn't the company have HRG's house under surveillance if he escaped and they know Claire is there, not to mention HIS FUCKING COMPUTER FULL OF THEIR INFORMATION, RIGHT NEXT TO A FATTY GUN??? I'm betting the beginning of next episode shows him being captured, and that's why he's their potentially matched up with Sylar. no way they leave his house unguarded.-why turn Kristen Bell away? (unless you're going to bend her over a table like Pennsy wants to do) if you don't need her, then put her in a holding cell. no one wants an evil electric bitch who's dad jsut died running loose, right? that was a lazy point, to my mind.-I like Mohinder pimping out. I wish they had been just a TINY bit clearer in the shot with the shit on his back. it was hard to make out what it was at all. scales? wings? broken mexican nails? hard to say.-why the german gotta be a baddy? and why give him Magneto's power, when Magneto ESCAPED from a Nazi camp? (at least according to the x-men movie, I've never read a comic in my life...sorry guys)-all in all, some warts aside, a good start and if anyone was feeling a little sting from the shortened second season, I have to believe this gets you back on board. definitely felt like the first season again.-Ando does not have a power...EVER. I will bet anyone $100 powers that is someone impersonating him to get at Hiro. Ando's power is loyalty and awesomeness, and that is how it should stay. -the only cool part of the live shitfest was hearing the actor who portrays Ando speaking in unaccented English. that was tight.-I'm going to go to bed.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 2:19:18 AM CDT

    What is episode 0 of season 3 ?

    by toby___wong

    I saw an episode 0 and and episode 1. What's the difference between the 2 ?

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  • Sep 23, 2008 2:38:28 AM CDT

    At least they kept the STI as the handgun of choice

    by xiphos_2

    They're a fine producto de Tejas. Before you kill off Veronica Mars give her and Weevil some extended screen time together, maybe a sex scene.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 3:03:29 AM CDT

    Cheers to Larry of Arabia & Klytus_I'm_Bored...

    by llghtst0rmer

    ...for being the first ones to call out what I'm sure many will be bitching about this season: BrundleShoresh.

    I see a LOT of people bitching up a storm about the quality of this show, and I'm not one of them. I enjoy the show, and yeah, I get into it, but I'm not in love with it. I know it's flawed, but I don't pick it abpart as much as some on this TB. That having been said, as soon as Maya walked into Mohinder's lab, I was thinking, "Shit, he's the indian Jeff Goldblum." Some of the dialogue almost seems ripped straight out of Cronenberg's script - "I feel like a whole new man; I'm stronger, faster..." etc. He was all coked out on his new powers and wasted no time yanking the nearest chick's clothes off. Then next thing you know, he's staring into the mirror and removing parts from his own body.

    I don't think the show is entirely unoriginal (despite the entire premise being "Lost meets X-Men,") but I know a ripoff when I see one. Something tells me Tim Kring actually wants to have Jeff Goldblum show up later in the season and school Mohinder's character about the abuses of instantly-bestowed powers.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 4:22:27 AM CDT

    Sylar and the Brains

    by playhouse

    Seems pretty obvious that he removes the brains to examine the whole thing to see what he can gleam from them. The guy was a clocketeer and would pull those things all apart to see all the pieces. Makes sense he would do the same with the brains. With Claire, since he could tell that her brain was vastly different from the others, he found the bit he needed and left the rest in tact.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 4:34:37 AM CDT

    the entire brain angle is now stupid

    by bacci40

    sylar studies the brains, even though the secret to each hero lies in their dna...not in the brain?? look, i havent watched tonites epis yet, and if they explained this, fine...if not, its a fuckin huge plot hole...because dna can be found anywhere...and if sylar is fucking around with his own dna, sometime during this season, he should totally implode and become a giant jellyfish

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  • Sep 23, 2008 4:50:08 AM CDT

    no one has mentioned jamie hector

    by bacci40

    not cool to type cast jamie hector as a villian...but great to see him back on the air...now cast omar and i will definitely watch all season

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  • Sep 23, 2008 5:00:07 AM CDT

    i wish lost fans would get off about how original it is

    by bacci40

    cuz it is apparent that none of you have read watchmen...lost basically "borrows" the island storyline, and moore's use of non-linear story telling and does a smosh with gilligans island, survivor and the prisoner...maybe thats original for some, but not for me...and so when will kring say that he has never seen the remake of the fly, and has never heard of croenenberg and explain everything away by saying his form of dyslexia has never allowed him to ever watch a movie

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  • Sep 23, 2008 5:26:54 AM CDT

    next weeks promo....hayden cannot act

    by bacci40

    http://tinyurl.com/4qda7d

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  • Sep 23, 2008 5:41:39 AM CDT

    My concession to Heroes haters

    by kevin holsinger

    As much as I liked last night's premiere, I will finally concede to a point you were making last year...for a show that doesn't sport an overtly repetitive (and therefore allowable), Quantum Leap-like plot, this show is too repetitive.And Peter Petrelli should get out of the hero business, because this is the third season where he's found himself involved in creating Armageddon.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 5:52:24 AM CDT

    Know what? Despite the flaws I don't care.

    by yeti

    Suck it Heroes haters.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 6:20:02 AM CDT

    The Fly

    by supermans

    Ofcourse when Suresh was feeling all strong, it mirrored Jeff Goldblum in The Fly, especially making love right away afterwards. He climbed up the wall for crying out loud and did some amazingg acrobatics.. But the icing of the cake was him looking in the mirror and peeling skin off his back... Obviously the writers said, lets make Suresh into Spiderman, however we can't use something as subtle as being bit by a radioactive spider or have a black space blob fly into his window.. No, we need to ripoff verbatum The Fly's creepy transformation... If the writers say they have never seen The Fly, we all know they are not telling the truth...plain and simple..

    Peter Pterelli has to be the dumbest of all the heroes. Having all those powers and he hardly uses the right ones when he needs to.. And we are talking about future Peter where he has had 4 years of practicing using his powers.. And he's still dumb.. And then there is Ali Larter... what the hell... Once you kill someone off and write off the show the entire family, why oh why will you bring her back as an identicle twin.. At least now we know who was involved in the murders of the people in Molly's house who were frozen... Oh wait, that was Sylar who also had supposed freezing powers.. lol.. My God this show has gotten more and more convoluted beyond fixing... So now Linderhman is a ghost that only Nathan can see. that is original I guess..

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  • Sep 23, 2008 7:09:12 AM CDT

    Gohinder, Gohinder, go go go!

    by just pillow talk

    At least he got a piece of that hot ass before turning into the fly. I've come to the conclusion that Maya is integral to Heroes now, if only to show off that smoking body.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 7:09:31 AM CDT

    they die

    by melvin_pelvis

    as a byproduct of sylars examinations
    He didn't turn clairs brain to jelly because he wanted one suvivor
    *It's just a pelvic thrust*

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  • Sep 23, 2008 7:16:14 AM CDT

    re: next weeks promo....hayden cannot act

    by melvin_pelvis

    Captain Duh to the rescue
    Noooooooooooooooo say it ain't true!
    hehehe jus messin wif you man

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  • Sep 23, 2008 7:22:51 AM CDT

    This just in

    by melvin_pelvis

    Matt is fat
    And so is the actor
    He could loose his body weight in weight
    And he'd still be fat.
    He's one of those guys
    Who has a little fat girl inside just waiting to bust loose
    The only reason he has a job on this show is because the casting director saw his resume and thought *good enough for ol' dubba jay, good enough for me*

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  • Sep 23, 2008 7:24:34 AM CDT

    damn and I was hoping dohinders power was

    by melvin_pelvis

    a shotgun blast to the face

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  • Sep 23, 2008 7:40:49 AM CDT

    Frickah Frackah Fire Crackah

    by melvin_pelvis

    Sisk Boomb Bah
    Gohinder Gohinder
    Rah Rah Rah

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  • And now she's lost the part that loves dolphins.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 7:54:04 AM CDT

    just pillow talk. Maya, hot, dewd...

    by melvin_pelvis

    did you see the pores in her face?
    No?
    Then you need HD-DVD and heres why
    Maya is far far far below my standards.
    Heeeeey
    The Fonz didn't jump a shark so you could be with lesser women
    The Fonz jumped the shark to prove you can wait
    That girl you need
    She's just waiting to meet you
    And she won't have no big fucking porse

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  • Sep 23, 2008 8:03:25 AM CDT

    I Liked It!

    by real deal

    I thought ity had a really good opening set of two episodes. Biog improvement over last year since things seem to be moving right along. Wasn't bored once. Yes there are some plot holes but can you tell me of any TV show out there that doesn't have plot holes? I really liked it and can't wait to see what happens. Oh about Peter's scar. Since there's so much emphasis on it there must be something special about it.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 8:12:04 AM CDT

    Parkman's Turtle Talk...

    by sapno_krei

    ...was the best thing about the premiere. Good to see some humor breaking through all the seriousness. I loved Hiro and Ando's storyline for the same reason.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 8:14:44 AM CDT

    It's all the plots from season 1....back again.

    by andre the frog

    You loved them once....and we can't come up with anything new.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 8:21:46 AM CDT

    For a smart guy, Sylar's fantastically stupid

    by catlettuce4

    He gains perfect, intuitive mastery over any power he absorbs, right?

    Get Hiro's power, fuckwit! Who can possibly stop someone who can travel through time with perfect accuracy?

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  • Sep 23, 2008 8:31:54 AM CDT

    C'mon

    by gaiusthebrave

    Anyone who tries to be an apologist for the show and answer all of Herc's (and everyone else's) questions will just be ignored or sniggered at. If you wanna nitpick with scifi, you can, very easily in fact. But, I'm gonna play the apologist anyway. Perhaps Peter won't go back to stop Sylar b/c he believes his mother's advice, but he won't be going back to future, b/c he is trying to stop the future from the present. Obviously, 2012 is gonna be catastrophic (I have the web addresses to prove it) but I imagine he thinks he'll have a better chance working within the intervening years, rather than jumping back to the future, figuring out what needs fixing, jumping back to past, fixing it, and then once again dealing with the fallout. Pretty pointless, but there's something about perserverance in the face of fatalism that some would find heroic (or stupid, depending on your pov.)Also, firing Elle wouldn't be dangerous for the company, since I'm sure they're smart enough (ignoring past moments of imbecility) to keep a tail on her, and I'm sure she's conditioned for loyalty to the company. There, now ignore or mock. Just try and remember it is a silly lil' tv show and the real question is not, "How could that happen?" but, "Was it entertaining?" IMO, anyway.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 8:32:19 AM CDT

    Krings first impulse was right

    by melvin_pelvis

    He wanted to do an arc with the original actors
    Then start again with a new arc and new actors
    folks may or may not remember that
    There was a lot of backlash, so the money folks decided he would play with the toys he was given
    I think Kring, likes origin stories
    And he's fairly good at them
    But after that, he pretty much fails
    Now we got a new niki. Yea!
    A new origin!
    He can't move forward

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  • Sep 23, 2008 8:40:59 AM CDT

    I'm out on this show

    by skycrapper

    I was willing to ride out the bad acting but the writting is totally lost on me. I mean does it really matter if they save the world anymore? This show jumped the shark in it's season one finally.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 8:41:37 AM CDT

    Two Out of Three Ain't Bad

    by melvin_pelvis

    Should be the theem song for this show.
    I want you
    I neeeed You
    But there ain't no fucking way I'm ever gonna love you
    But don't be sad
    'cos two out of three ain't bad

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  • Sep 23, 2008 8:45:56 AM CDT

    Well

    by manosthof

    It seems pretty clear to me that Adam is immortal, his fate cruel but not fatal. Being buried underground would be certain death for Matt or Nathan. Plus, this scenario wouldn't necessarily automatically occur to Peter, unless he had a conversation with Hiro about what he did.----Also, Peter is characterized as emotional and impulsive, and not necessarily smart; however, I think even he can see now the kind of entropy his actions create by messing with the timeline. Maybe he feels responsible and is now trying to fix it, damn the consequences. What would be the point of going back to the future now, Herc? It's a totally different future, and changing each time Future-Peter affects the past.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 8:51:44 AM CDT

    The problem with this show

    by i wonder

    No one dies anymore. There's really no point or sense of danger if everybody is going to get resurrected.

    I was not greatly impressed with last night. I'll give it a few more shows and it doesn't improve, I might be done with Heroes for good.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 8:55:57 AM CDT

    6.4 rating, 10 share; down 27% from last year's premiere.

    by pennsy

    No silver lining, guys; Dancing with Kim Kardashian's ass-ets among other stuff took Heroes to the woodshed. What's worse: the half-hour numbers...

    9PM: 6.8/10
    9:30: 6.6/10
    10PM: 6.3/10
    10:30: 6.1/10

    I wish there was an alternate future where reality tv was not a part of anyone's viewing schedule. :(

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  • Sep 23, 2008 8:56:36 AM CDT

    Melvin_Pelvis

    by just pillow talk

    Sorry, didn't see the pores as I was looking at her fine piece of ass and smoking body. If you didn't notice that sweet body of hers, then me thinks you've been watching too much HD-DVD and your eye balls have been fried.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 9:05:10 AM CDT

    Sylar can't break a flimsy chain on a flimsy door?

    by hobocode

    That is the kind of shit that drives me crazy on this show. The writers don't stay consistent on their characters abilities. It's fucking annoying. Surpisingly not shitty premiere despite some cluncky dialogue in places. But that hour long special beforehand was pathetic. Fellate yoursleves a bit more why don't you? NBC hires 25 people to stand in some bleachers and make it look like the Oscars red carpet. Please. Sad...just sad.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 9:13:37 AM CDT

    It's like the Butterfly Effect Movie (or the Enomomy)

    by cookylamoo

    Whatever you do just makes disaster happen in a different way, so why bother?

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  • Sep 23, 2008 9:19:04 AM CDT

    Not as good as Season 1 (so far) but better than Season 2

    by spyguy

    Thankfully, Hiro and Ando are paired up again, Sylar's away from the Mexican Wondertwins and back to brain studying, Crazy Jane...errrr, Nikki/Jessica/Tracy has another personality with accompanying superpower, and D'ohinder is still as dumb as a box of rocks. Yep, HEROES is back all right.

    Unfortunately, the series is still more like SMALLVILLE than LOST, but as long as you don't set the bar too high, as many of you obviously have, it's still fun to watch.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 9:20:55 AM CDT

    why did anyone watch the "special" beforehand?

    by just pillow talk

    If it wasn't the show, why watch it? BTW, sci-fi channel was showing episodes 8 - 10 last night of Lost. I've never seen Lost, and was watching some of that. I guess I'll eventually give it a shot since it's hard to judge from the little I saw, but the hobbit standing on a bee's nest: pretty silly.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 9:21:33 AM CDT

    As for Peter scar, maybe he intentionally keeps it?

    by spyguy

    As a reminder of something perhaps? Just throwing that out there.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 9:26:26 AM CDT

    just pillow talk

    by hobocode

    Well I watched it because I'm only a casual watcher of Heroes (kills time until Lost), and I was hoping for a decent recap of prior events. Instead it was a bunch of self-aggrandizing bullshit.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 9:34:24 AM CDT

    I watched.

    by zerocorpse

    I said I wouldn't but I did. Damn it.
    Opinion? It's like a filmmaker was spying on guys at a comic convention, taking notes on all the things they talked about, and then turned it into a single show. In these two episodes we had rip offs (or "homages") of Days of Future Past, The Fly, Magneto, The Flash, The Empire Strikes Back, New Avengers #1 (massive electrical outburst from Electro-like baddy frees all the super-powered villains in holding cells), The Butterfly Effect, Red Dragon, The Gods Must Be Crazy, Spider-Man, and The Greatest American Hero.
    It's fascinating because it's so incredible contrived and ham-fisted. It's as if Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons made a TV show. It's bad but in a good way.
    Oh, I'll just say it: It's like fucking "Days of Our Lives" but with super powers. I may end up watching it after all, because it's so goddamn cheesy and I could use a laugh after work.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 9:52:27 AM CDT

    Congrats, diminishing expectations!

    by inwosuxred

    It wasn't as good as the good stuff from Season 1, but it was better than Season 2, despite the inconsistent characterization. I expected the launch of the storylines to be a mess since they obviously ended last season without a plan.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 9:57:04 AM CDT

    badwonka

    by larrytate

    "he did an impetuous thing by going back and shooting Nathan (remember, in his timeframe, it happened pretty quickly."

    That's the prob with this show!! There is no need to do anything quickly, or on impulse, when you can travel thru time. He could take 10 years to think about it. Plus you can have as many do-overs as you want.
    LAME LAME LAME LAME LAME LAME LAME

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  • Sep 23, 2008 10:06:00 AM CDT

    I'm sorry

    by melvin_pelvis

    but this came on after TSCC
    I have Penny in my eye
    All I can see is Penny
    Actually the actresses name is Sonya Walger
    And I hope she gets lots of work
    On anything except heroes.
    Not tuning in next week
    These fucktards have pissed on the gerre enough
    Not going to support it

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  • Sep 23, 2008 10:12:45 AM CDT

    what a blatant attempt

    by melvin_pelvis

    to take the most hated and useless character and bond it to a very beloved character
    Doh!hinder, you should go home now.
    Look, man, just leave.
    Thanks

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  • Sep 23, 2008 10:26:59 AM CDT

    Shoot Your Brother, Save the World.

    by cookylamoo

  • Sep 23, 2008 10:32:23 AM CDT

    Suk My Dik, Save The World

    by melvin_pelvis

    C'mon ladies
    It's for the greater good
    And I'm not at all unattractive
    And I've been known to bathe

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  • Sep 23, 2008 10:34:58 AM CDT

    The Good, The Bad, The Ugly

    by backstjoe

    Hour 1 started and ended with a wimper. I was really thinking of bailing, but glad I stuck around.
    Hour 2 was more like it. Mrs. Petrelli's visions were great, as was Tracy/Niki/Jessica. But Maya? Really? The other half of the worst duo since...well McCain & Palin come to mind...anyway...where is Monica? At least she was an interesting character!

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  • Sep 23, 2008 10:41:26 AM CDT

    Back to Maya

    by backstjoe

    Another thought...it seemed like she was crammed in as some sort of justification for Season 2. They would have been better served by wiping it all out of our heads than bringing her back.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 10:44:43 AM CDT

    It was also neat how....

    by cookylamoo

    Once Mohinder took his shirt off, all of Maya's objections flew out the window. Maybe he exudes pheromones as well.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 10:53:04 AM CDT

    Mixed bag...

    by ninja nerd

    We had a "Heroes" watch party last night, and the consensus was "HUH!?!" at some points and "WOW!" at others. For me, I was disappointed somewhat. Instead of sending Hiro to ancient Japan, we send Parkman to Africa, EXACTLY where he needs to be to find sage-native-future-painter-guy. This morning, I actually considered killing it from my DVR list and not watching it anymore. I don't get a sense that Kring and crew know what they're doing. I'll probably watch a few more episodes, but it's got to improve.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 11:25:43 AM CDT

    This show is confused by its own universe

    by pornking

    There are simply too many super-powers that make many plot devices fall flat. Teleportation, time-travel, and healing blood really screw up a lot of the things Kring is trying to do. There are simply too many times during the show where I said to myself "But why doesn't he use __insert superpower__ to fix that?" And there's no good answer. It's just too many balls for the show's creators to juggle well apparently.

    Still, it's a lot more entertaining now that they've gotten rid of a lot of the retarded melodrama and bad side-character/stories.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 11:29:51 AM CDT

    So, who else knows...

    by audio_of_being

    That Peter and Sylar are gonna end up being long lost twins? As much as I don't want to hate this show because it was one of about three or four shows I watch, it's almost getting unbearable. Like Lost Season 2 unbearable.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 11:51:36 AM CDT

    Where was David Anders (Adam)?

    by chimpjnr

    He was listed in the credits last night, but I didn't see him at any point. Did I just miss something?

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  • Sep 23, 2008 12:11:32 PM CDT

    David Anders...

    by seanny_d

    was in the vision from the level 5 facility that was shown just before the credits. So he got his credit after he was shown.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 12:16:47 PM CDT

    What is Mohinder's power?

    by chickendelicious

    Is it ripping off scenes from movies about people who get crossed with invertebrates, or is it invading the personal space of others with his grabby hands?

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  • Sep 23, 2008 12:20:07 PM CDT

    Mohinder's power is Jumping Over Sharks!

    by blackmantis

  • Sep 23, 2008 12:42:06 PM CDT

    It's been obvious for a while now...

    by jacksparasites

    ...that the writers have painted themselves into a major corner by giving their characters too much power. Sure Sylar's virtually invincible now but he's not invincible in the past--and we've got 2 characters who can go to the past. Plus doesn't Peter have DL's power. He can just reach into Sylar's body and pull out his heart or his brain. As previously established the only way he can regenerate is if the organ is returned to the body. And Hiro can't catch up with a Flash-type villain? Really? Give me a break? And FuturePeter could have done millions of things better than try to assassinate his own brother. Hell, why not just transfer his mind into someone else. That seems preferable to killing your own brother. Dumbass! And where the hell is the original personality of that villain anyway? And do the writers really think we forgot Peter had a girlfriend trapped an alternate future? They just got bored with her like the rest of us and decided to wash their hands of the whole thing? Hmm, how can FuturePeter (because okay, the writers once again figured out a way to castrate their way too powerful PresentPeter) defeat every one of the 11 villains that got loose? He could A. Stop time, B. Travel back in time to stop them from ever escaping, C. Teleport them back into their cells, D. All of the above. These really are the dumbest heroes ever.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 12:50:47 PM CDT

    Oh yeah, and...

    by jacksparasites

    ...I'm kinda okay with Claire being pretty much invincible except that it removes all tension from putting the character in danger in the future and now that she can't even feel pain, there's no reason not to bring her along and feel the need to protect her. Aside from removing her organs, the worst anyone can do is lock her away somewhere like Adam. But then there's the other colossal fuck-up the writers didn't count on. THE WHOLE FUCKING POINT OF THE FIRST SEASON was "save the cheerleader, save the world" because Sylar DID KILL Claire in the future. So WTF! They didn't need to save Claire, only stop Sylar from getter her powers and although Sylar could have removed Claire's organs, unless he destroyed the organs too she can be resurrected.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 12:50:51 PM CDT

    the fly

    by ragingfluff

    well, goldblum has the time since his own TV series got canned last year, so yeah, bring him in for some ironic meta-meta- meta-narrative deconstructionist garbage. He can do the DNA talk from Jurassic Park (nice piece of self-reference) and confront Mo-Fly on the evils of messing with science.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 12:51:14 PM CDT

    They should go over the top with pop culture references

    by david cloverfield

    After this The Fly/Days of future past/whatever mix. Just, have them fight some robots from the future sent by a computer, then travel to a european country, to stop an evil monarch in a metal costume, just in time to arrive back to america to thwart an alien invasion. Then fight some demons. They use all this crazy comic book logic with the no-deaths and time travel... Go full retard. Like The Middleman did.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 12:52:03 PM CDT

    Also: "They're villains Claire"

    by david cloverfield

    Awesome dialogue.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 12:53:10 PM CDT

    MoFly! Hello! MoFly!

    by ragingfluff

    You know what else would be cool? Have Mohinder go back in time to 1955, meet his soon-to-be-Dad, the nerdy Indian kid getting beaten up by Biff the school bully....

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  • Sep 23, 2008 12:59:21 PM CDT

    fan slash fiction

    by ragingfluff

    Right now, somewhere in the nether regions of the Internet, a Heroes geek gone bad is uploading a 10,000 word epic involving a first-time homosexual encounter between an older, experienced Sylar and a quivering, nervous - but incredibly ripped - Mohinder

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  • Sep 23, 2008 1:05:49 PM CDT

    It was better than Season 2 but

    by veritasses

    what's disappointing - and telling of the talent running the show - is that this was their best effort. Kring supposedly "heard the complaints from the fans" and "learned his lessons", had tons of extra time and obviously had full support from NBC but all he was able to muster was a C/C- level show. The quality of TV shows and the quality of the SciFi & Superhero genres are improving every year. There are highly talented craftsmen raising their game and new talent coming up with some truly remarkable stuff. Given this, it's sad that NBC is content letting a show with proven potential self destruct and languish well below the bar of mediocrity. It's a waste and a grand shame, really. I don't think most people voicing their ire in these TBs, actually hate the show per se. I think they've seen high quality shows and know how good shows can be and they're extremely disappointed and frustrated and angry at Kring for destroying something with such incredible potential. Potential that if in the right hands would be huge. A ratings monster. If Kring really gave it his all and this was really his best effort than he clearly doesn't have the talent to do the material justice and should hand the reins over to someone else.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 1:10:11 PM CDT

    And this guy...I don't even have to tell you what he can do.

    by cookylamoo

    Right HRH, because it's right there on the friggin'computer screen.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 1:11:09 PM CDT

    People still care about this?

    by super rabbi

    I stopped after Season 1.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 1:13:12 PM CDT

    make that the Chaos talk from Jurassic Park

    by ragingfluff

    you know, the butterfly effect....

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  • Sep 23, 2008 1:16:19 PM CDT

    one interesting thing

    by oisin5199

    Everyone's complaints have all been right on, with this show's both amazing inconsistency at the same time as mindless repetition. The whole 'save the cheerleader, save the world' is right out the window, I guess. But when you think about it, if Sylar had Claire's powers AND the nuclear bomb guy, then he would have been invincible and could blow up New York (not exactly the world, but hey). But there is one thing I liked - Claire's character development. Her angst about not feeling pain. Her complaint about still only being a victim despite her superpower, wanting to learn to fight. Planting the seeds for evil Claire. And the implication that Sylar's attack was like a rape of sorts. When Claire's mom asks her (without saying the words) whether Sylar raped her, Claire said no. But the way she said it, it was almost like the silent part of that line was - 'no, something worse.' Talk about the ultimate violation, to have someone's fingers in your brain. The way that was played was interesting, but the inconsistencies, the ripoffs, the convenient plot points (as bad as Prison Break!), still keep this show mediocre.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 1:20:48 PM CDT

    re: Add to Friends

    by veritasses

    Thanks for recommending the book. It sounds interesting.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 1:22:33 PM CDT

    This season opener is primarily Season 2 leftovers

    by zerogundamx

    They had 2 episodes finished before cutting the virus direction after the strike, I'm sure they salvaged what they could.

    I enjoyed what I saw so far, but it felt like one of the better episodes of Season 2, which means lots of room for improvement. Hopefully when we dive into the original episodes we'll see that.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 1:24:18 PM CDT

    Captain John Sheridan!!!

    by picardsucks

    That was cool

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  • Sep 23, 2008 1:44:17 PM CDT

    HEROES TIME TRAVEL EXPLAINED

    by lukecash

    Some simple ground rules.
    1) You can't change the past directly, only covertly. Evidence: Future Hiro did not change anything, but left messages to key people.
    2) If you attempt to change the past, the future changes dramatically Proof: Hiro "encourages" Adam to be a heroic legendary figure, only to create a monster Adam. He can't chanege the fate of his diner gals death. Proof Two: Future Peter gave Sylar Claires power, where she would have not been there had she gone straight to Oddessa. Things are way off now...All in all, great two episodes. And the death of Bob.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 2:24:02 PM CDT

    It's silly and completely illogical but...

    by drewlicious

    For some reason I can't get enough of it. They must be doing something right to make me ignore the poor writing. By the way the ratings are down again this year so dont' be surprised if this turns into the last season.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 2:31:28 PM CDT

    The Sharks are circling...

    by marlow2

    ...if this show hasn't jumped the shark, the sharks are definitely circling. Future Peter has the power to put past Peter into a Cholo's body? WTF?! Why doesn't he put Sylar in a blind paraplegic's body...or a comatose body. This show has no idea where to go anymore. And weren't they completely ripping off Cronenberg's THE FLY with Brundle-Mohinder climbing walls, all buff with renewed sexual vigor and then weird growths on his back. So many people should be suing this show. If DISTURBIA is being taken to task then this travesty should be taken to court and spanked as well. Season One was near greatness... it's been downhill ever since.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 2:38:02 PM CDT

    I think BadMrWonka is the guy...

    by banzai rootskibango

    ...who plays Ando on the show.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 3:14:37 PM CDT

    drewlicious

    by hobocode

    Ratings have steadily declined for LOST since its inception as well and they're getting a 5th and 6th season. The overall ratings can drop but as long as Zeroes is still pulling in the right demographic for NBC it will stay on for at least a couple more years. If anybody knows how to beat a dead horse (and send healthy ones to the glue factory) it's NBC.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 3:34:56 PM CDT

    They killed off Penny in TSCC

    by volllllume3

    No magic blood that can revive her too.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 3:42:26 PM CDT

    Once I got Bob's power.

    by cookylamoo

    I'd quit the brain robbing and go by me some companies.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 4:01:38 PM CDT

    Screw this, go watch....

    by blackguard

    ..."No Heroics." Now THAT is a series about Superheroes!

    Anyway, the season 3 premiere of Heroes seemed a bit stuffed. Like they tried to cram everything they had left over from Season 2 in the first 2 episodes. I'll give it a couple more episodes before I judge the entire season harshly. Tim Kring keeps saying that he never read comics but he really needs to. Or at least hire someone to tell him what storylines have already been covered in comics. I was hoping the writers strike would have generated some new ideas and concepts. Here's hoping....

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  • Sep 23, 2008 4:04:26 PM CDT

    The 4400

    by turketron

    I remember when Heroes first started and people bashed the hell out of 4400 and praised Heroes for doing the superhero thing better. Still feel the same bitches?
    I watched The 4400, and I now watch Heroes. I can't really tell you which one is better, and that's sad. I'll continue to watch Heroes, but it's on my "ridiculous, badly written, and riddled with plot holes but entertaining and still 100x better than reality tv bullshit" list, right along with Prison Break, TSCC, Fringe, Nip/Tuck(lol), and ...Stargate Atlantis. Kind of ashamed of the last one, but DON'T JUDGE MEEEEEEE!!!!
    What are the shows I consider excellent? The Wire (RIP), The Shield, Lost, Supernatural, Dexter, and BSG.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 4:31:40 PM CDT

    I'll keep watching for Marlow

    by g100

    But you REALLY have to try pretty damn hard to ignore the many stupid actions from the characters, plot holes and time travel idiocy.
    If Mohinderfly stops with the cheesy voiceover and acting then I for one am all for his new powers.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 4:59:59 PM CDT

    This is how the season should end...

    by sid 8.0

    Hiro goes back to a few moments before the lawyer walks in with his dad's tape. Intercepts it there the lawyer never knows because he just thinks it's Hiro. Hiro destroys the tape, safe never gets opened, I run off with Maya, world saved. I just have to remember to watch the calender to know when her period comes around. Don't want to be around for that.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 5:23:30 PM CDT

    Bring on Supernatural

    by melvin_pelvis

    Give me some characters I care about

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  • Sep 23, 2008 5:24:29 PM CDT

    You guys are good a pointing out time travel plot holes

    by zooch

    I'm sorry I was too busy enjoying these two entertaining well paced Heroes episodes to be bothered.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 5:24:50 PM CDT

    turketron

    by melvin_pelvis

    I miss the 4400
    But they screwed the pooch too

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  • Sep 23, 2008 5:28:21 PM CDT

    MoFly

    by melvin_pelvis

    Could have called him MoSpider
    But I like the idea that he has a diet of shit

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  • Sep 23, 2008 5:30:21 PM CDT

    "Everyone who dies is revived..."

    by napoleon park

    Except DL, who died and is dead. and Linderman, who is back as a ghost or a figment of Nathan's consience. I mean, did that, Linderman, the guy whose power IS to revive things from the dead, is dead. And Isaac Mendes, although some African shaman type has a similar precognitive artwork ability. And everyone Syler killed, from Charly whom Hiro desperately tried to save to Elle's dad Bob. And Hiro's dad Kaito who was seen on a DVD which is not the same as not being dead. And Mohinder's dad. And Maya's pal, the other Telemundo Twin. And Thompson. And Ted Sprague. And Simone. And Eden. And other regular characters don't die, they just move on, like Molly and Janice Parkman and Claude Rains.I'd say the theory that the show is static and formulaic and no one ever dies or leaves is not entirely accurate.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 5:34:38 PM CDT

    Coming off a forgettable and shortened 2nd season

    by napoleon park

    Coming off a forgettable and shortened 2nd season... I'd said they may not have recaptued the 1st season hotness - it's hard to reinvent "newness" after all, but they seem to have set at least a half dozen intriguing plots in motion to build on in the coming episodes.Anyone who wants to bail on the show now is welcome to do so with my fervent hopt they stay the fuck out of the talkbacks instead of coming back each week to announce they're going to stop watching the show. You don't like it, we get it, move along, nothing to see here.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 5:37:08 PM CDT

    Speaking of "coming"

    by napoleon park

    Claire bear no longer can feel pain. clearly she can't have lost all sense of touch or she wouldn't be able to operate a camera or pick up a fork. But is it only pain that she is insensate to? if she is numbed to ALL intense sensations - if she is unable to experience any intense pleasure or reach orgasm... well, that would certainly explain why she turns bad, no?

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  • Sep 23, 2008 5:38:47 PM CDT

    Heroes crushed the field in the 18-34 demos

    by zooch

    Shows high in the 18-34 demographic generate the most ad revenue for networks, so as long as Heroes continues to do that, it's still a success.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 5:45:42 PM CDT

    The final twist...

    by napoleon park

    the last moments of Heroes Chapter three "Villains" part 2 "the butterfly Effect" we learn a group of supervillains are running loose... but their group has already been infiltrated by a "hero" - namely the mind of Peter Petrelli in the body of one of their own. Someone did ask, what happened to that guys mind - did future Peter move it somewhere or just destroy it? And does peter in the wrong body have his own powers, the villains powers, or no powers? if he's in the bad guys body and doesn't know what the guys powers are, he wouldn't know how to use them.Just as important, where's the missing Peter/ Look, peter had a body, future Peter physically returned in a body, and Future Peter shifted Peter's intellect into a villains body. Is future Peter in his own body or present Peter's body, and whichever one he's occupying, where did the other body go? That's what I'd like to knopw.See, that's how these talkbacks work once the h8ters move on. The show has a flaw, I'm not saying I hate the show because of it, I'm just wondering is anyone has a theory to explain it. Parkman found the gun, how come no one's found the other Peter?

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  • Sep 23, 2008 5:51:05 PM CDT

    re: Heroes crushed the field in the 18-34 demos

    by melvin_pelvis

    umm duh
    There was never any doubt about that
    The fun part is watching the fuck up
    Thay's why we tune in

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  • Sep 23, 2008 5:51:59 PM CDT

    damn the lack of edit

    by melvin_pelvis

    them* fuck up

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  • Sep 23, 2008 5:52:39 PM CDT

    That's a desirable demo, Zooch,

    by napoleon park

    for advertisers. Serious comics fans may skew older, especially former Marvelites like me. I'm 55, I collected comics for about 49 years (and stopped due to lack of money, not disinterest). I'm glad that there's a few interesting comic book based series' on TV these days. And I realize that in a year where the top movies were Iron Man and Dark Knight (and there were too many other comics based films out for me to list) the bar's been raised. But there are always average mainstream comics. Not every comic has to aspire to be the best ever. Heroes may never be the best superhero TV series ever (I'd still go with JLU) but it's a decent, entertaining example of the genre.I also think that Medium is a good super-hero series and I think it's cool that Mama Petrelli's superpower is also precognitive dreaming, just like Allison Dubois. Only she doesn't dream about recently deceased ghosts.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 6:03:46 PM CDT

    This show won't make another season.

    by blackmantis

    Ratings are declining and it's too expensive to produce. Put a fork in it!

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  • Sep 23, 2008 6:05:44 PM CDT

    More on Ratings and TSCC

    by history101

    TV Ratings website-
    Heroes was down significantly from last year’s premiere which netted over 16 million viewers, and the 9pm-11pm premiere last night averaged under 10. Still, NBC will likely declare it a hit, and rightly so because it performed well int he 18-49 demo, and crushed the field among 18-34 year olds. Among that youthful demo, Heroes was the most-viewed show last night. Even with less than half the total viewers that DWTS had, it outperformed DWTS by over 40% in the demo.

    Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles performed a bit better than it did last week, even against more competition. But the numbers are not great, and while I do think DVR viewing will improve the numbers, I am not a big believe that the live plus seven numbers factor in hugely with the networks.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 6:14:01 PM CDT

    Another Doomsday Plot

    by zooch

    What else do you propose the heroes on this show should be doing? That's the whole point right? Saving the world?

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  • Sep 23, 2008 6:30:10 PM CDT

    heroes? more like... here-blows...

    by bluebottle

  • Sep 23, 2008 6:31:07 PM CDT

    Just checked the NBC press release area on their site...

    by pennsy

    And no K-Bell for episodes 3, 4 or 5. So her next appearance at the EARLIEST is October 20th. Which ensures my DVR will be inactive for the next month of Monday nights, at least.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 6:41:40 PM CDT

    We waited a year for this???!?!?!?!!

    by mr_x

    Plotholes

    have future peter have a scar, to make sure you relaise he's from the future, forget about that little pesky healing power that he has.

    Future claire tries to shoot future peter. have a chat with him why not, the guy who can stop time! if you're serious about killing him, then hire a fucking sniper and chop his head off.

    future peter kills current time nathan. yeah, why not stop time, talk to him, go to a time before the conference and let him know. he may listen to you, well, casue his your brother. ah.. forget about it, it way too much hassle. why not just shoot him in a room full of reporters and cameramen in a police station. it;'s not like anyone is going to take your picture or arrest you.

    have claire stuck in the house when sylar attacks. It's not as if she's in any danger. don't make her jump out the window, cause she might get hurt with all that boken glass.. no wait..

    have hiro guard a secret that could destory the world. hmm. maybe it would be better to destroy the piece of paper. nahh... despite being at the forefront of two apolocolayspses, let hiro be irreponsible and let him check this secret out.

    have a speedster, stela the secret from him, she's got to be hanging around at exactly the right moment that hiro takes out the secret. god only knows how long sh'es been hanging around. sh'es super fast. so fast that even when time stops she can walk around!. hmm someone who hiro doesnt know has stolen a secret that could end the world. absolutely no point in going back in time 10 15 miuntes and stopping himself from opening up the safe. just for the sake of the world.

    let future peter transport his friend and buddy out in the middle of nowhere. who knows if he gets to live or die. forget about it. the guys just shot his brother, but he's fellow hero friend.. well let's play survivor with him.

    let sylar, he of telekeisi power, not be able to open up a closet that claire is in. dont even bother to break it down. sh'es gonna get out sooner or later.

    let mo forget about his moral dilema of his research and all that he's seen create a drug that gives everyone powers!, why not try it on yourself? what's the worse that can happen? just become some sort of lothario and get some!

    nikki and jessica wasn't enough, lets get tracy in teh act as well. what is she? the female jamie madrox? ( nah i forgot kring doesnt read any of the x comics) ( nice touch on getting the greatest american hero as a reporter!)

    bring back claires real mother, incase we forgot, remeber to get her to get claire with not a heloo or hug, but with a open palm of fire!

    nice touch getting weevil and kbell back again. invisible linderman im not so sure about. mama petrelli as sylars mother *meh* seriously is this what we've waited a year for? it's decidely average. a lot of those plot holes above are just picky, but a hell of a lot of them are wtf momnets that just draw you completely out of the story. i used to love reading comics iuntil i relaised that these "heroes" weren't growing up and able to make sensible decsisons without getting into a fistfight. heroes seems to do exaclty the same. you need some fucking continity and not a reset button whenever you feel the need to move along the pacing of the show.

    it's disapointing, there's a whole lot that needs improvement. Honestly it's become like smallville. absolutely tripe, but a guilty pleasure. soon it's goona be like the 4400, simplly not worth watching. hire some comic book writers dammit to tightne up your script. you already know you're in trouble. the heroes countdown to premire tried to build up a buzz, but no one wants to be invited to this fucking party. You shutdown Journeyman for this? FUCK YOU NBC!

    and milo if you have to date someone younger the acceptable calculation is half your age +7 years.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 6:41:47 PM CDT

    ImYerHuckleberry

    by blue1622

    http://www.veidt.com/?p=165

    When someone blogs about a talkback post, are royalties owed?

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  • Sep 23, 2008 7:30:44 PM CDT

    Guilty pleasure, nothing more

    by pornking

    You guys are right. It's become a guilty pleasure. Just something you can enjoy if you completely turn your brain off. And by completely, I mean you have to literally try not to think about the massive plot holes gaping wider than Jamie Lynn Spears' vag after the little guy popped out.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 7:46:26 PM CDT

    Xiphos, Wonka, Toby_Wong, Ororo, where mah peeps at?

    by pennsy

    Time for the veterans to show these whipper-snappers a thing or two! ;)

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  • Sep 23, 2008 7:49:08 PM CDT

    ...why were the brains of Sylar’s other victims removed?

    by yesiamaplant

    I would imagine one of two things:

    a) Sylar didn't have the time, or inclination to stick around and examine the brains there in previous seasons, and/or...

    b) He always could have done this, but saw no need to be more careful. He seems to have taken a shine to Claire, and if the second episodes' cryptic ending is to be believed, has a deeper connection to her.

    Also, the question of Future Peter's scar has been around since season 1. Where have you been?

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  • Sep 23, 2008 8:04:39 PM CDT

    Pennsy!

    by vegasron

    I'm here, foo!

    I have a theory on Nikki. It's not her, it's her twin sister who supposedly died at birth. I mean DUH, what super hero actually loses their twin at birth? They're always whisked away by some secret gov't agency/benevolent group/concerned relative.

    That's really disappointing about Bell. The Agency is idiotic for cutting lose a super powerful wild card who just lost her father. But NBC is even more idiotic for limiting her role this year. Fucktards.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 8:05:18 PM CDT

    Oh, and Friday Night Lights

    by vegasron

    will be on DirectTV this year.

    Huh?

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  • Sep 23, 2008 8:11:18 PM CDT

    What would save this show

    by throwmetheidol

    Is if the powers had serious drawbacks. Like Nathan can fly but then he has to rest for 24 hours, Claire can heal but it ages her a month each time she does. That kind of thing.

    If that fails, go to plan b: hire a blonde with big boobs.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 8:24:35 PM CDT

    Damn you Wonka!!!

    by kcviking

    Can't believe I forgot to say that last night.Pennsy-no Elle until 10-20?WTF Iwas looking forward to seeing her go nuts on someone.Still not 100% sold on Angela being Sylars mother...this is a woman who was willing to destroy a city along with her sons.What's a little lie if it helps her out in the long run?Fun episodes,far from perfect,but,better than reality shit!

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  • Sep 23, 2008 8:51:12 PM CDT

    I've got trivia tonight

    by badmrwonka

    wrote some quick tired thoughts last night, but I'll be back for more later. I am INDEED GROWING WEARY of people pointing out "plot holes" that are not holes, but rather choices they don't agree with. a good example is Hiro not going back in time to stop the theft of the formula. Ando BLATANTLY SUGGESTED that to him, and Hiro's response was something about the fact that when he goes back in time, shit is messed up, and he's not going to do it. now, you might disagree with that, but that is a valid reason for why Hiro doesn't go back.I don't mind bitching (hell if none of you bitched, who would I ridicule and correct?) but pay attention guys!Wonka out. I'll be back after I win $100 for the 2nd week in a row at trivia.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 8:54:27 PM CDT

    Heroes? Is this show still on? Oh...fuck this.

    by dannyglovers_dickblood

  • Sep 23, 2008 9:20:29 PM CDT

    Pennsy

    by xiphos_2

    I don't have much time right now and I downloaded the episodes and fell asleep near the end of the first one, not a good sign. I haven't rewatched it nor have I watched the second one yet. So I won't say anything until I see them. I gotta say though, the part I watched, not very good. Hopefully the second episode was better. How come the Telenovela chick lost almost all of her accent? She looks hot though, I'll give her that. Did they put her in stripper shoes yet?

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  • Sep 23, 2008 10:00:34 PM CDT

    I don't expect the superpowered plot holes to ever stop

    by zooch

    I also don't expect people will ever stop coming to these talkbacks to point them out every week.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 10:08:27 PM CDT

    I'm done

    by unnatural

    I hate stealing content. I hate people who steal content. I hate people who steal content and then claim to have never read said content. Goodbye Heroes. You were pretty entertaining Season 1. Now you are just infuriating.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 10:16:17 PM CDT

    Xiphos.

    by vegasron

    motherfucker.

    Ep 2 is actually better and sets up what could be some fun shit down the road. It's better than S2 already, but I know that isn't saying much.

    Catching any Fringe or True Blood?

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  • Sep 23, 2008 10:23:44 PM CDT

    Oops, VegasRon...holla!

    by pennsy

    ;)
    FNL is on DirecTV this fall because of strictly economic measures. NBC co-opted with them to share the cost of making the show. There might be a fairly significant cast turnover, also a cost-cutting move. A few of the regulars (the footballers) are on their way out to be replaced by others on the cheap. Is there a recurring theme here? *sighs*

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  • Sep 23, 2008 10:28:15 PM CDT

    Parkman's Dad

    by jaymrobinson

    is making Nathan see Linderman. He also controlled his mind to make him talk about God and stuff.

    Peter must have lost Claire's regenerating power sometime in the future. That's why he has the scar, and that's why Claire thought she could kill him with the gun.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 10:31:39 PM CDT

    KC Viking, she's only on for 5 episodes...

    by pennsy

    So what they're trying to do is to spread her appearances over the length of the Villains arc. But it would have been nice to see somebody cross Elle, in her agitated mental state, crispy-crittering him/her.

    It's clear that Angela has a plan for Elle; either she's letting her loose to be killed by the Brotherhood of Mutants ;), or that she'll hook up with Noah to stop them. Of course, Elle may be so pissed off that she'll go rogue and join the baddies and draw a bead on Angela's scalp. So Mama P's move could easily backfire. And did Cristine Rose overact a little bit last night?

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  • Sep 23, 2008 10:35:06 PM CDT

    Another thing that bothered ME

    by mdf2

    Was Mohinder's wretched recital of 'The Second Coming'. I like that poem and he gave it none of the *gravitas* it deserves.

    His disintegration isn't the experiment coming back on him, it's the ghost of William Butler Yeats wreaking undead vengeance on
    his philistine ass.
    Makes about as much sense as anything else that happened.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 10:46:26 PM CDT

    Xiphos, hour 2 is a lot better.

    by pennsy

    Trust me.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 10:49:37 PM CDT

    VegasRon

    by xiphos_2

    Motherfucker? I suppose I am. Lord knows I've been called it a bunch.I have no interest in True Blood so I have not watched it. I did watch the first couple of episodes of Fringe. I wished I hadn't. I thought it was badly written, badly acted, badly cast, deadly dull crap. About what I expected from the wonderful writing duo of Orci and Kurtzman. Their chuckleheadness is without peer.That sucks what NBC is doing to FNL. Maybe the silver lining in this move is that they can now swear and show nudity? I vote for Adrienne Palicki, the tall blonde chick, as the first one to show the goods, quickly followed by the dark haired one. Perhaps a lesbo scene? That might work out real well.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 10:52:55 PM CDT

    Time Travel is used horribly in this show

    by frodofraggins

    The first issue is it's formulaic every year. They see the future and have to prevent it. They allow time travel sometimes but not when it makes the most sense. If they removed time travel and future prognostication and allowed people to stay dead I'd be much more interested in the show. There's no drama and the characters garner little to no sympathy.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 10:52:58 PM CDT

    Pennsy

    by xiphos_2

    If you say so I believe it.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 10:54:14 PM CDT

    How Elle could've been the Big Bad...

    by pennsy

    and you wouldn't need to fuck around with FutureHim's or FutureHers to do it.

    First off, if I were Kring, I would have offered K-Bell a blank check; fill in the amount, and we'll make it work. You can't afford to let someone of her caliber walk from a show that needs all the good will it can get. Make her a huge part of the show. Have her keep digging into just how complicit Midas Bob was in compromising her childhood. When she does find the smoking gun, she goes apeshit, kills him, goes to Primatech Paper and takes over the Company. And since this arc is called 'Villains', have her unlock the place where they're kept. All of them pledge their loyalty to Elle at that point.

    Then when Sylar comes a callin' on the Company, armed with Claire's regeneration, Elle's waiting for him. She points to Sylar and says to the assembled, "look, boys; fresh meat." They proceed to kick the living shit outta Gabe, who barely escapes with his life. Elle then sends them out into the world with one standing order; wreak as much havoc as you wish. At that point, you have the opportunity to turn Sylar semi-babyface, have him team up with Noah (after he tosses him around for suggesting Elle dig into her dad's past). Presto. Space-time continuum preserved.

    But that now is reduced to fanfic. How about it, though?

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  • Sep 23, 2008 10:54:17 PM CDT

    What I did like

    by frodofraggins

    Was the complete absence of micah! woohoo

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  • Sep 23, 2008 11:08:54 PM CDT

    Pennsy

    by xiphos_2

    Maybe they can do what the Sopranos did and shoot an adult version with nudity and an edited for public airing version. Tyra Colette and Lila Garrity need to get nekkid ASAP. That's how the ratings would shoot through the roof.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 11:14:03 PM CDT

    OK, night, then...

    by pennsy

    My 46th birthday, now official. And I feel every last bit of that.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 11:14:22 PM CDT

    Trailer for new book released

    by tubuku69

    The trailer for a new book "Carriage Returns" was released 9/22/08.

    Watch at:
    http://roparslibrary.blogspot.com

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  • Sep 23, 2008 11:29:01 PM CDT

    Was it overacting...

    by kcviking

    or just doing what the writers asked?Happy b-day...appreciate the info & enthusiasm!Thanks...

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  • Sep 23, 2008 11:41:58 PM CDT

    enough with the whining

    by punto

    "why does Claire shoot Peter if she knows he can dodge bullets", and all those other questions, the answer is simple: because it makes a dramatic point. Claire was pushed to the extreme where she feels like she has to stop Peter no matter what. That's the point. Who cares if they use a gun, or if they use some big epic end-of-the-world scenario where claire straps Peter to a rocket ship and shoots him to the sun, or whatever the fuck they have to do so you nerds can buy it? It makes a point about the characters. Haven't you ever read a comic book? everything is exaggerated like that. It's a style.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 11:51:33 PM CDT

    A stark improvement from last season

    by zooch

    Every character is in more interesting places than they were last season. Hiro is back with Ando on a mission and their friendship is being tested. Two Peters is better than one amnesia Peter. Nikki/Jessica/now Tracy is no longer with Micah. Nathan gets to be a Senator. Parkman and Mohinder have better things to do than babysitting Molly. Sylar is back, and him and HRG are going to hunt down some Level 5-ers. Not sure about Claire yet, hopefully she'll get away from her stupid mom long enough to do something this season.

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  • Sep 23, 2008 11:51:56 PM CDT

    Time to send everyone home

    by melvin_pelvis

    cut the cheques, turn off the lights, say we tried.
    We tried and failed.
    A couple of the actors may even have a post heroes career

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  • Sep 23, 2008 11:55:40 PM CDT

    pennsey

    by slkboxrman

    i dont know a better way to prove how dumb u are ...saying the only reason u watch a show is for kristin bell....kristin is gone, thank god..i couldnt take lookin at her too close together eyes and no talent acting..she was most interesting when her tits were hanging out , but thats prob the only reason u watch tv is to wank ur ugly unused wang...

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  • Sep 23, 2008 11:59:55 PM CDT

    to all other haters....

    by slkboxrman

    the first 2 hrs rocked big time....im not gonna go apeshit like some of u losers, talking of "short leashes" and blah blah blah...of course most of the same BS is coming from the old familiars that cant say anything but negative things if a show doesnt go the way u think it should go.....do the world a favor and stop watching and/or posting....makes me nuts to see guys come in here and say they only watched first half of season 1 and only 2 episodes of season 2 and think they have reasons to bitch about season 3....if u havent watched it all, u have no place commenting on it......on a side note, SUPERNATURAL should have a talkback on here...show has been solid for 3 seasons

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  • Sep 24, 2008 12:10:33 AM CDT

    Yeah, but Supernatural doesn't have the soap opera shit

    by david cloverfield

    that your average Talkbacker craves so much. That's why we have Privilidged, Smallville and 60 minutes talkbacks instead

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  • Sep 24, 2008 1:00:09 AM CDT

    Supernatural>TSCC>(to infinity)>Heroes

    by melvin_pelvis

    And it's a close call with TSCC and SN
    Everyone does such a fine job on both shows

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  • Sep 24, 2008 1:42:19 AM CDT

    I'm not sure, TSCC has the potential

    by david cloverfield

    but it's not quite there yet. They have to iron out some issues and make it a little tighter. SN has these great little season arcs. 1: Looking for dad 2: Avenging dad, what's up with Sam 3: Dean's one year to live. In TSCC stuff just happens and John is dumb as shit. I wouldn't say all characters are dumb, they just seem to know John is, and act accordingly (Sarah not telling him what's what in the last episode.) Also heroes has to stuff breaking up the characters and putting them in different places and adventures in every opener. Let a few of them work together for once.

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  • Sep 24, 2008 2:00:03 AM CDT

    I lost

    by badmrwonka

    trivia. booo...

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  • Sep 24, 2008 2:03:41 AM CDT

    TSCC

    by melvin_pelvis

    is still finding their footing
    the way this show was regurtated in the afterbirth of the writers strike
    And to be so, (I'm trying to say it really draws you in) good
    But the show kinda got shoehorned in sidesways
    So I worry about it
    You know, its on FOX
    You gotta worry

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  • Sep 24, 2008 2:18:56 AM CDT

    Be afraid, be very afraid...

    by kraken

    Hey guys, I've been trying to give Heroes a chance... but the minute I saw THE FLY direct rip off scene... well, that's unforgivable. If that's what you've come to, having to directly lift scenes from movies... well, you've insulted me and I'm not going to waste my time on you anymore since you're clearly bankrupt of original ideas now. The minute that scene happened, I turned the channel. I won't be watching anymore. The end.

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  • Sep 24, 2008 2:20:14 AM CDT

    and don't

    by melvin_pelvis

    you wish you'd been the one to use the phrase *regurtated in the afterbirth*(tm)
    Contact my agent for usage details

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  • Sep 24, 2008 3:11:43 AM CDT

    BadMrWonka

    by blue1622

    Where do you play trivia for money?

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  • Sep 24, 2008 3:31:25 AM CDT

    This is gonna be a difficult season

    by toby___wong

    I really don't know where it all went wrong. Season 1 was very very good. Season 2 was very very crappy except for the HRG en Elle parts. And now season 3 starts and I have come to the conclusion that I just don't like most of the characters anymore. I have no problems with Elle, HRG and Ando, but the rest of the characters really annoy me now.
    And Ando. WTF ? It seems he is bound to get powers ? That is just lame. And now Mohinder has powers too ? Bleeeeeeeeeeeeeeh. It seems to me Heroes has suffered irrepairable damage now.

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  • Sep 24, 2008 4:07:31 AM CDT

    To the cast of heroes

    by melvin_pelvis

    Ya'll got other irons in the fire right?
    Milo, there age probably tens of old women who'd *put you thru college* *wink*
    And eight of them wouldn't care about you sneaking off to be with the really short blond.
    Hayden, your eighteen now.
    Open those legs
    You really don't have anything else
    Heroes ends, you do a couple slasher flicks, your done.
    Ali
    You've done your slasher flicks.
    But I think you got a hella performance in ya
    Don't know when, where or what
    But I look forward to it
    Yo, Adrian Pasdar. GBTW!
    The rest of ya
    Welcome to horreerood

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  • Sep 24, 2008 4:56:51 AM CDT

    I wonder if this season will only get 13 episodes...

    by prof. pop-cult

    Ratings so far don't look good. The first two episodes, while not "bad" per se, feel disengaging (at least for me). I wonder if the "Villains" arc could be the last season of Heroes.

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  • Sep 24, 2008 5:04:43 AM CDT

    How Sylar gets his powers...

    by prof. pop-cult

    I think he has to physically touch a certain area of a powered person's brain in order to attain that person's power. Pretty simple idea really. I wonder why the writers didn't finally have Sylar explain to Claire how it works with him.

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  • Sep 24, 2008 5:38:29 AM CDT

    better be a cliffhanger next episode

    by supermans

    Even the show ripped off every single sci-fi show and in some cases scene for scene, I did enjoy watching the show... It does have a soap opera geeky vibe to it and I do want to see how these characters this season play out. It won't be nearly as good as the first season and the writers took out all of the mystery possible, even having written on the laptop the third villains power of sound which could have left us all guessing what it was until next week.. No cliffhanger the first two episodes, they better get one in the third to keep the audience..

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  • Sep 24, 2008 5:38:54 AM CDT

    Bad MrWonka

    by mr_x

    "I am INDEED GROWING WEARY of people pointing out "plot holes" that are not holes, but rather choices they don't agree with. a good example is Hiro not going back in time to stop the theft of the formula. Ando BLATANTLY SUGGESTED that to him, and Hiro's response was something about the fact that when he goes back in time, shit is messed up, and he's not going to do it. now, you might disagree with that, but that is a valid reason for why Hiro doesn't go back."
    yeah, that would have made sense, EXCEPT for the fact that Hiro was sitting at his desk bored and making time go backwards and forwards!

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  • Sep 24, 2008 5:43:39 AM CDT

    and

    by mr_x

    he actually left the timepiece half an hour back from where he started! Surely ryu-ken Ando would have popped in and out of that door sharpish a couple of times.

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  • Sep 24, 2008 5:51:48 AM CDT

    Supernatural - any good?

    by mr_x

    i watched the pilot and one or two episodes in the first season, thought it was okish. has it gotten better? is it worth my time? or does it self implode like other tv series that i would't like to mention

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  • Sep 24, 2008 5:55:32 AM CDT

    props to lost

    by mr_x

    in the second season the show became a bit ropey, i like many other pointed out ridiculous plotholes( remember the heroes vs lost debate?)Thankfully, lost bucked up their ideas, faced the critism straight on, tightened up the continuity and put out some of the finest tv work out there. It can be fucking done!

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  • Sep 24, 2008 6:13:47 AM CDT

    hiro deserves to die.

    by mr_x

    why the fuck use a sword to fight ando when you can stop time!. that scene seems a bit odd. how is that piece of paper related to the disaster tidal wave that hits the city? another "hero" losing control of his power? back to season 1 again?

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  • Sep 24, 2008 6:23:32 AM CDT

    Wow... godsawful buncha... and Supernatural ROCKED

    by clavain

    Heroes... I didnt even watch the second episode. The first hour had my jaw dropping at the utter nonsensical crap going on and the complete lack of logic or creativity that I couldnt even watch any more. Garbage... utter... garbage... now...

    Supernatural... great frelling show. It's dark... it pokes fun at it self from time to time and knows when to be cheesy and its deliberate. They designed the show to be a five year story arc and so have a starting and ending point. I read a comment by one of the actors or writers over the summer that said, "Yea... we want to find a way to have more fun with the show and lop off as many heads as possible this season" or something to that effect.

    The show has its high points and low points like any show, its really kick-ass episodes and its really bad ones but overall it retains its dark and gritty feel and if you want a happy feel good show, go watch Heroes where everyone dances around in fields of poppies and destiny comes knocking on your door and you can leap into the future and just happen to see yourself and best friend in the exact... same... spot. How convenient.

    Supernatural's got *very* few happy moments... *very* few moments of light in it for the Winchester boys. And maybe thats what I like best. The writers arent afraid to do really... really... bad things to their characters. It's how they deal with it thats important and these writers know that there's no Reset button every time they write themselves into a corner. Instead you get to watch the Winchesters fight and struggle against supremely overwhelming odds to dig out.

    Now its not a fantastic show. But its got some good people behind it who seem to love what they're doing and arent afraid to poke fun at themselves or the genre. And yea... the season opener last week... was a real kick in the face... "we're back." Cos season three had a couple really gobsmackingly good episodes but it was lackluster overall. We'll see if they can keep up the pace. But clearly their time off for the writers strike actually did mean a huge boost in creativity whereas... Tim Kring... well. You had one nice season... ya got lucky. Leave now and go rest on your laurels and stop putting such utter crap on the screen.

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  • Sep 24, 2008 6:42:54 AM CDT

    Why was he running at the beginning? I'll tell you...

    by banzai rootskibango

    ...why, because these people gotta stay in shape. Some of us are health conscious (if you can believe that) and just because the power of teleportation/flight is available doesn't mean we're gonna use it to go to the fridge and get a beer.

    It's like all of those people in Wall-E. You'd get lazy and then fat. And if you get fat, you can't get any hot poon-tang.

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  • Sep 24, 2008 6:51:24 AM CDT

    heroes is a farce...

    by 1st and only

    This show is geting worse and worse.Ther are SO MANY holes in the story.Its just ridiculous..

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  • Sep 24, 2008 7:12:53 AM CDT

    that was aight- looks like a comeback..

    by judge briggs

    other than some cheesy dialogue... it's fun to see Marlo as the villain... some gritty death scenes too.. Kristen Bell is sooooooo hot... redunk. i hope the show stays gritty... and gawd, lose the Matrix costumes... that is such a cliche now.

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  • Sep 24, 2008 7:14:22 AM CDT

    Finally finished this episode last night

    by rbrog77

    It's so bad I fell asleep 45 minutes into it and had to finish it last night.

    I hate the fact that I watch this poorly acted, lazily written, over-hyped sorry excuse for an hour long time-killer. That being said, see you next week after I struggle through another crappy episode.

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  • Sep 24, 2008 8:05:05 AM CDT

    Mr_X do yourself a favor and watch SUPERNATURAL

    by turketron

    In its entirety. Clavain's write-up is pretty much dead on. Yes, there are a few weak episodes every season, but for the most part they hit it out of the park. Every year I never end up watching the show live for some reason... I usually pick it up after 10 episodes or so have aired. Which is good because you can watch them back to back, but bad because you can't discuss it as its airing. Which is a non-issue for the most part around here BECAUSE THERE ARE NO SUPERNATURAL TALKBACKS HERE FOR SOME DUMBASS REASON. I hear there's a thread in The Zone, but I haven't been there.

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  • Sep 24, 2008 8:46:44 AM CDT

    Bob's Death

    by bigsteve03

    So appearantly the actor playing Bob broke his neck horseback riding in Iceland over the summer. He could only do brief scenes sitting down facing forward without his neckbrace on, and that's why they had to write him out of the show.

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  • Sep 24, 2008 9:06:58 AM CDT

    Heroes and ratings

    by orbots commander

    How did the premiere do against Monday night football? I was at a sports bar watching the Jet game and did a mental forehead slap when I realized I'd forgotten to record the Heroes premiere.

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  • Sep 24, 2008 9:11:53 AM CDT

    MR_X

    by toby___wong

    You owe it to yourself to check out Supernatural. The first few episodes were okish, but the episodes will improve. They will improve so much you will forget about the first few okish episodes. This is a great show with writers that care about their property. The Winchester brothers don't seem badass in the first few eps, but after you watch a few seasons they will be in your top 10 of badass people. It's one big rollercoaster ride.

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  • Sep 24, 2008 9:22:06 AM CDT

    MNF was down 40% from its opener, but still drew 11M

    by pennsy

    For the Jets and Chargers.

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  • Sep 24, 2008 9:42:36 AM CDT

    ^ haha tailhook so true!

    by mr_x

    yeah this whole fucking series has started to unravel at an alarming rate! BTW Clavain, turketron, Toby___Wong thanks guys, i'll defintely check it out and get a marahon going on to get up to speed, thanks for the heads up!

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  • Sep 24, 2008 10:07:13 AM CDT

    What are Future Peter and Sweaty Kruger doing?

    by inwosuxred

    For those that suggested Future Peter should have tried something else before shooting Nathan, I would point out that Future Peter was setting up one of those big "I travel through time and these are the results" science fair rope things, like Hiro did in Season 1, which suggests he may have already tried a few other things.I am also wondering if Matt's Dad is creating fake Linderman, or messing with anyone else. Much of the second episode felt a bit dreamlike. Was Papa Parkman one of the escaped villians? Was he even locked up at all? I would guess at some point he will also be the guy to dig Adam out of the dirt, although Hiro may do it to get answers about the formula from someone in a position to know, without any need for risky time travel. At least assuming the dream of Adam on the loose was literal.

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  • Sep 24, 2008 10:13:02 AM CDT

    SERIOUSLY AICN: NO FRINGE TB????

    by hobocode

  • Sep 24, 2008 10:13:12 AM CDT

    Words from chacters

    by inwosuxred

    should be taken as words from characters and not pure facts. Ben says he can't control the smoke monster, so he must not be able to. Sylar says Claire can't die, and Sylar would never lie. If Sylar did pull out Claire's brain, put it in a garbage bag and take it with him, Claire would have been dead. Mrs. Parkman even had a dream where Clair essentially died. Maybe there is the potential to put her back together, but if you don't, she is essentially dead. Why are people so anxious to buy everything villians tell them? People also took for fact that the Joker said he doesn't plan, when he obviously did and he also told three different stories about his scars. To those that do buy into everything villians say, I have a great investment opportunity for you with this prince I know from Nigeria.

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  • Sep 24, 2008 10:32:20 AM CDT

    So many problems..

    by lane_myers111

    Was hoping for a return to form and boy was it not. Only scenes that seemed up to the quality of the first season wee sylar finally taking Claires power and not killing her i liked. And those three villains could possibly show promise (even if one is essentially magneto). Opening scene was terrible. EXactly as was said why would Peter need to run and why would Claire think she could kill him with a gun. Atleast you could have had an opening scene where Peter was being hunted for the Government by a team of just as poweful mutants (perhaps the three escapees)and as a last ditch attempt to escape he travels back to change the past. I cant believe that at the moment Hiro decided to travel into the future to see what is going to happen he is standing in the exact spot where in 4 years time such a monumental event as his Best friend killing him with as yet unknown powers. They could have at least changed the F****** setting. And when he decides to go forward surely he has to think of a date. Surely hed pick loads less uneventful dates first. And ando getting that formula was irrelevant because unless he could get out of their in a few seconds the formula and him would have been obliterated in that blast

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  • Sep 24, 2008 10:39:34 AM CDT

    Strange...

    by lane_myers111

    Future Claire says to Peter that she cant put down the gun "It ends here"

    if there have been concentration camps,experiments and hiding underground then why would killing Peter change all that. Surely he has been one of the most powerful mutants and protectors of their rights.

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  • Sep 24, 2008 10:50:42 AM CDT

    HRG...

    by lane_myers111

    HRG is pretty much a useless character now. Hes not threatening in any way. In the first series he seemed powerful partly because you thought he knew loads of secret stuff about loads of mutants but mainly because he had a team of mutants to command,namely the Haitain,That fit girl who could make people see things, and Eden. This atleast meant that if he was in a situation against a mutant the mutant didnt have any powers to use. After taking those three out he just seems like a middle aged man who is a long shot to survive even with a gun. Frankly Sylar has had numerous oppurtunities to kill him and completely out of character he hasnt.

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  • Sep 24, 2008 11:29:36 AM CDT

    Another vote for a Supernatural talkback

    by a for aristocrat

    They are really hitting their stride. Unlike a lot of shows, their season 4 opener knocked it out of the park. At least when someone comes back to life on that show, there are severe consequences.

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  • Sep 24, 2008 11:59:05 AM CDT

    Love Supernatural

    by melvin_pelvis

    Gets better every season.
    Loved the scene.
    Dean comes back from the dead (and hell)
    Hooks up with Sam finally and convinces Sam that he isn't a demon or some kind of changeling.
    Gets back behind the wheel of *his car*
    Glances at the dashboard.
    Dean: *What the hell is that?*
    Sam: (looking real uncomfortable and guilty) An ipod jack
    Dean: (Glaring at Sam) turns the key
    Totally inappropriate music blares forth
    scheariiip (music dies)
    Sam: You were dead
    Dean: That's not an excuse

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  • Sep 24, 2008 12:30:46 PM CDT

    Supernatural has a certain redneck charm

    by samsquanch

    The soundtrack works, but the boys are a little too clean cut. The should have a bit of a scruffier look. Meaner, maybe. 3d season dragged a bit. Groundhog day episode was funny though.

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  • Sep 24, 2008 1:08:00 PM CDT

    'redneck charm' is a contraditcion in terms.

    by blackmantis

  • Sep 24, 2008 1:15:51 PM CDT

    Yew might be a redneck if...

    by melvin_pelvis

    You like Supernatural
    Sign me up
    Where's the line for mah blucollar

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  • Sep 24, 2008 1:19:38 PM CDT

    Mama Petrelli's Power

    by lagomorph

    I think they are hinting at Mama Petrelli's power being more adaptive than we've been lead to believe. Just as Papa Parkman could manipulate the mind beyond just reading it, I think we've been given hints all along that Mama P can put dreams in others heads. Which makes her far more powerful than a mere seer.

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  • Sep 24, 2008 1:20:02 PM CDT

    Begone, Supernaturalists!

    by pennsy

    I smell threadjack here! :D

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  • Sep 24, 2008 1:22:44 PM CDT

    As for Linderman...

    by lagomorph

    I was under the impression that it was he who revived Nathan from death. Yet it is now revealed that he may not be of the earthly realm any longer. What exactly is he? And does his afterworldly survival stem from an evolution of his base power.

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  • Sep 24, 2008 1:25:51 PM CDT

    What does

    by melvin_pelvis

    threadjack smell like?

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  • Sep 24, 2008 1:33:06 PM CDT

    I Smell Threadjack

    by melvin_pelvis

    Smells like Victory!

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  • Sep 24, 2008 1:35:17 PM CDT

    I love the smell of threadjack in the morning

    by melvin_pelvis

    Smells like if you threw it against the wall
    It'd stick

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  • Sep 24, 2008 1:50:44 PM CDT

    Save The Cheerleader, Save The World...

    by hagakure

    ...Ah the super-power of a catch-phrase for a person who didn't need saving because she can't die, which means that Sylar now cannot die, which means (presumably) Peter cannot die. I think the reason all of these people are manifesting powers now is because Shawn's cousing injected the promicyn which made the viral airborne causing the inert abilities in the others to awaken....oh wait....

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  • Sep 24, 2008 2:02:49 PM CDT

    You might be 16 years old, Goth, and a Fat Girl...

    by zooch

    Because that's who likes Supernatural. This is a show that is coming from the channel that cancelled Angel? and Veronica Mars? Yet they still keep crap like that around? Heroes ripped off The Fly. How many horror movies has Supernatural ripped off?

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  • Sep 24, 2008 2:06:47 PM CDT

    I am waiting for Future Future Peter....

    by hagakure

    ...To come back and shoot Future Peter before he can go back and shoot Nathan. Or maybe Future Future Future Peter to go back in time to shoot Sylar when he was still a watchmaker. Or maybe we will see Future Future Hiro go back and stop Hiro from.....headache....

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  • Sep 24, 2008 2:33:32 PM CDT

    I liked this show better when it was called "the 4400!!"

    by hb_dad

    Seriously, is this show a total ripoff of the 4400 or what?

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  • Sep 24, 2008 2:39:23 PM CDT

    Fat Goth Girl. Thats Me!

    by melvin_pelvis

    send me your credit card number
    I'll let you watch

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  • Sep 24, 2008 2:44:45 PM CDT

    This show is pointless

    by melvin_pelvis

    it doesn't even adhear to its own rules
    Whay few there are

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  • Sep 24, 2008 2:51:55 PM CDT

    Happy to sacrifice Angel for Supernatural

    by a for aristocrat

    I was really getting into Angel season 5 and wanted to see what happened after that cliffhanger. But after seeing what Whedon was planning for Season 6 and the past three seasons of the show they replaced Angel with, I'm happy with losing Angel for Supernatural. It's a more than fair trade.

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  • Sep 24, 2008 3:33:49 PM CDT

    Just watched the first three eps of Fringe the other day

    by samsquanch

    Have to say- not bad. I can imagine the mad scientist guy getting reeeaallly annoying after awhile, and Pacey's a little one-dimensional, but the super science is kind of cool, and its the first show to actually recapture some of that ol' X-Files magic. I'm willing to reserve judgement till the end of the season, but so far, it's got its hooks into me.

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  • Sep 24, 2008 3:35:06 PM CDT

    The thing about Supernatural is that its actually fun to watch.

    by samsquanch

    There's something about it, it's compelling, and different. I'm not going to think about it too hard, I just like it.

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  • Sep 24, 2008 3:39:33 PM CDT

    Big complaint about heroes

    by samsquanch

    Is that it doesn't adhere to it's own rules. We hear that a lot, and it's pretty accurate. I think the writers are afraid of too much exposition, but damn, when there are that many characters running around, with that many weird abilities, and time travel too, we need a bit of talky explanation. I liked that Claire actually explained to her mom how her power worked, it helped set a standard, now the 'no pain' thing can be a part of the story. I wish they'd do a bit of that for Hiro. The speedy girl asking him how far his time stopping power extended was a hint, we need more.

    And hey, what the hell happened to the ability mimicking girl? Is she still trapped in that burning house?

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  • Sep 24, 2008 3:44:40 PM CDT

    isn't Supermackeral a rip-of

    by napoleon park

    of Night Stalker (the new version? A Reporter hunts weirdies because his wife vanished. Kids hunt weirdies because their parents vanished. Same thing.

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  • Sep 24, 2008 3:50:31 PM CDT

    Who the fuck is Pacey?

    by napoleon park

    I keep reading people referring to Bishop Junior as "Pacey". Isn't that the name of the character that the actor played on some children's show some time ago? Did any of you actually watch that shit? How young are you kids?

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  • Sep 24, 2008 4:34:06 PM CDT

    Pacey

    by melvin_pelvis

    isn't he that d00d that played Lex Luthor in the last Superman movie?

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  • Sep 24, 2008 7:16:32 PM CDT

    Has Tim Kring lost his mind...?

    by westwood13

    Or just his a lazy hack? He's ripped off THE FLY so blatantly that it's clear he just doesn't care. And THE 4400 had a shot that gave people super-powers 2 years ago. Is Kring already this desperate? What has this guy been doing since the writer's strike? Certainly not exercising his creative integrity. Wasn't this the season that was supposed to put everything back on track? I smell another apology coming...

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  • Sep 24, 2008 7:35:10 PM CDT

    samsquanch

    by zooch

    Heroes is fun to watch too. Just like you said, if you don't think about it too much, you'll enjoy it.

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  • Sep 24, 2008 8:08:09 PM CDT

    Mr. X

    by badmrwonka

    he wasn't CHANGING anything, so running time back and forth a little bit here and there was just practice. if you run a DVD back and forth you don't change the movie. Hiro was reluctant to go back in time to stop the theft becuse of rupturing things more. remember when he couldn't save wiki-girl, the love of his life?it's not always about logic, these characters don't behave with perfect hindsight, or perfect intentions every time. not like a perfect AICN talkbacker...

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  • Sep 24, 2008 8:18:18 PM CDT

    add doom patrol to the list of ripoffs

    by bacci40

    forget the fact that kring says he has never read a comic, he has turned nicky into crazy jane...and i finally watched the season premiere, and to say that im underwhelmed is an understatement...so mama petrelli is saturn girl...so peter is a full retard no matter what year he is in (or body for that matter)...so mohinder suresh, who has a degree in parapsychology, no real training in medecine or genetics, is able to create a serum in about 2 hours...injects himself...and gains powers...but will probably die, so we can all dance a jig...so kring still has total control of the show, and still doesnt get what made the first season special...btw, note to hiro...you have 250 mil dude, hire a personal trainer, get a tailor and a haircut....you look a fucking mess

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  • Sep 24, 2008 8:30:38 PM CDT

    Someone at the network will spin this as positive

    by melvin_pelvis

    *Doh!Hinder is a tearm of endearment*
    Kring doing his Sally Fields impersonation
    *You like me, You really like me!*
    Lick my taint boy and take your delusional shit off my TV

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  • Sep 24, 2008 8:40:47 PM CDT

    I just got off the phone with Kring

    by melvin_pelvis

    He's got a whole new arc planned.
    He calls it Crisis on Infinite Heroes.
    He said he done thunk it up all by him lonesome.
    He said it was exceptionally cool cos nothing really changes
    But you get to do origin storys all over again

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  • Sep 24, 2008 8:48:07 PM CDT

    My super power is

    by melvin_pelvis

    The ability to smell pig shit
    I gotta tell ya folks
    This is pig shit

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  • Sep 24, 2008 9:32:53 PM CDT

    the real deal

    by dilbynuggets

    How much money is 700 billion? Let me put it into perspective. If you were to divide that pie amongst all the men and women in the United States of America above the age of 18 they would each receive $300,000 dollars each, from the lowliest bus boy in Manhattan to the highest paid celebrity in Hollywood. Do you think that might stimulate the economy?

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  • Sep 24, 2008 9:40:32 PM CDT

    I really want to like this show

    by _maltheus_

    ...and while the second hour was a little better than the first hour, it was still pretty bad. Even season 2 wasn't this bad IMO and there's no excuse for it given how much time they had. Man, Fringe sucked, Heroes sucked and now I just finished Knight Rider which still has me in shock over how bad it was (not that I was ever expecting much, but holy shit). Fuck the Hollywood writers. I can't believe they got more money for this lousy performance. They're fucking retards, all of them. They need to fire them all and start over. What's next, are they gonna fuck up Pushing Daisies and Dexter? And I can't even remember the last time I saw a movie that didn't suck, it just seems like TV is finally catching up to those tard writers. At least there are some older shows and movies I didn't catch the first time that aren't bad. That's pretty much what I'm stuck with these days, but I'll soon enough run out. Seriously though, Hollywood needs to check their water. Something really fucked up is going on out there.

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  • Sep 24, 2008 9:45:31 PM CDT

    Real deal math?

    by westwood13

    No offense, but I'm pretty sure you might want to double-check your math there, dilby.

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  • Sep 24, 2008 9:52:34 PM CDT

    BadMrWonka

    by zooch

    AintItCool Talkbackers want every character's decision to be thoroughly explained and for all other possible options to be considered as they are being made, with exposition. You know like in real life, but at a fast pace, so that we won't get bored.

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  • Sep 24, 2008 11:27:46 PM CDT

    zooch

    by unnatural

    No, Zooch, we don't want TV that is blatantly ripped off. If you want to make the TV version of, oh, the X-men... make it. If you want to make the TV version of "The Fly" ... make it. Don't steal it and then claim ignorance. Between Heroes and Knight Rider... NBC just sucks. I hope Life, My Own Worst Enemy and Chuck can bring it back, or I may just pick up a book.

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  • Sep 24, 2008 11:45:32 PM CDT

    Not feeling Heroes either.

    by a for aristocrat

    It feels like the same thing over and over again. Future menace they have to stop, sylar serial killing, Peter weak and having to get strong again, HRG working for the company then wanting to leave it, everyone going their own way only to probably all end up together in the season finale. I loved the first season until that stupid finale. There was a build up in season one that these people were going to become bad ass super heroes and they just seem to be the same lost stupid people they were in season one.

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  • Sep 25, 2008 7:24:00 AM CDT

    That TACO line was awful. The writers should go back on strike

    by knowthyself

    Seriously.

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  • Sep 25, 2008 9:42:51 AM CDT

    8/10 Heroes is back

    by dibarahman

    excellent episodes. After the fucking coked up shit that passed as the 2nd series, seems like Kring put away his crack pipe, stopped patting himself on his back and got down to some good writing. From out of knowhere, it has put my faith back in heroes. It blows the piece of shit that is called Fringe out of the water, and bludgeons Sarah Connor into wanting her son to die. Excellent story and excellent special effects, and Sylar, who was the best thing about season 2, still fucking rocks.

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  • Sep 25, 2008 9:44:55 AM CDT

    Most of you are idiots

    by eyegore

    Always wait until after you see a show/movie before reading any spoiler reviews. If you read the spoilers before seeing it, your opinion is tainted and mostly useless, even to yourself. Yes, you do your self a great disservice by polluting your mind with spoilers. You cripple your ability to enjoy something for what it is, and then you make an ass of yourself posting about it. So let me repeat, you ruin it for yourself, and then in turn ruin it for others, all because you have no self control to avoid spoilers.

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  • Sep 25, 2008 8:58:49 PM CDT

    Went into this spoiler-free, and...

    by kyle051554

    ...I've gotta say, that was absolutely fucking awful. I was honestly hoping that it was all a dream sequence and Nathan is just in a coma or something, because that was some of the worst television I've seen in a long, long time.

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  • Sep 28, 2008 6:03:01 PM CDT

    I'm Finished with Heroes!

    by wrongturn

    After a decent first season this show has free falled into absurdity. They've taken a great concept and crafted it for ten year olds. Too many characters to care about, ridiculous situations, and laughable contrivances made this new season painful to sit through. It now seems painfully obvious the creators/writers have no idea what the direction of this show is and where it's going. What a tremendous waste of possibilities.

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  • Sep 28, 2008 6:33:29 PM CDT

    I just finished watching the first two and...

    by workshed

    ...sorry for disagreeing with the naysayers here but I think this season of Heroes is shaping up pretty well. An hour and a half just flew by. Loved it. And, please, stop bigging up Supernatural - it's rubbish.

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  • Sep 29, 2008 3:37:18 PM CDT

    am i in the right place

    by brokenheadstuff

    or is there a newer one cuz its monday. and why does the background look different.

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