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Premiere of SMALLVILLE!!

Published at: Sept. 18, 2008, 2:59 a.m. CST

I am – Hercules!!
The CW sent along the 8th season premiere of “Smallville.” Lex is gone but Green Arrow, Black Canary, Aquaman and Martian Manhunter are lurking about. (The Flash and Cyborg are merely referenced.) Supergirl is presumably still rotting away in the Phantom Zone. Tom Welling now wears eyeglasses in the opening credits. Alison Mack is now second-billed, and Chloe’s got new super-powers, newer even than her healing ability. Sam Witwer, who I think plays Doomsday, is in the opening credits but he’s not in the episode. Not much of the show seems to take place in Smallville anymore, but I suppose that’s okay because “Smallville” is also Lois Lane’s nickname for Clark Kent. The Legion of Super-Heroes is expected to turn up later in the season, so that’ll be cool. The show has new runners, but I can’t say 8.1 evidences much of a shift in quality. It's starting to resemble more than anything the second season of "Heroes"; there are many characters, and a lot happens, but it's not terribly engaging and fairly contrived. Lois disguises herself as a French maid in the first act, so I suppose the series may have grown a bit goofier. I forgot how much I hated the "Smallville" versions of Justice League costumes. Clips: This is how the season premiere ends: 8 p.m. Thursday. The CW.

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  • Sept. 18, 2008, 2:39 a.m. CST

    hey smallville

    by deanbarry

    still love the show and can't wait to get it here, downunder.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 2:48 a.m. CST

    All Star Supes

    by Bubba Gillman

    The stories are good, but I don't like the way they draw Supes. He looks like a big baby. As for SV, it's always been hit or miss, but I don't think I've ever missed an episode. I'm sure I'll stay until the bitter end. This really should be the last season. And I at least better get one shot (preferably the last one) of him in the suit, or at least doing the shirt rip. Or I will have wasted 8 years of my life. Again.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 2:50 a.m. CST

    Herc

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    I'm getting real sick of your continuous bashing on Heroes S2. It reads like you're trying to appeal to people who hated it more than anything else, which ruins your already minisicule amount of quality when it comes to reviews. And hating on Smallville's JL? That's insane, they were the best thing about S6 and the show's nailed Oliver Queen.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 2:53 a.m. CST

    SUPERNATURAL!!! TONIGHT!!! WATCH IT!!!

    by Shermdawg

    HERC!!! GIVE IT A TALKBACK!!! PLEASE!!!

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 2:55 a.m. CST

    Mr. Zeddemore, NO WAY JL was the best of S6.

    by Shermdawg

    "Labyrinth" was.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 3:02 a.m. CST

    Shermdawg

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Personally, I loved the JL ep. On a geeky level, sure. For everything I dig about Heroes, JL just had this 'oh yeah? We started the superheroes TV run bitch, and guess what? TEAM-UP' vibe to it. But I've never hated a Smallville ep. It's good TV, even when it's mediocre.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 3:03 a.m. CST

    Mack, just like Rosenbaum will have...

    by Shermdawg

    ...a long career after Smallville ends. The girl's the only reason for tuning in this season.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 3:05 a.m. CST

    "It's good TV, even when it's mediocre."

    by Shermdawg

    Well, it's rarely mediocre. Especially the last two years. And by that, I mean it's been fucking terrible.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 3:07 a.m. CST

    Shermdawg

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    heh, I've seen a lot worse TV than Smallville get lauded here and at other sites... and yes, Mack will be a star.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 3:08 a.m. CST

    Oh, btw, did ya hear? DWAYNE JOHNSON IS SUPERMAN.

    by Shermdawg

    Of course, WB doesn't know that yet. <br><br> ... <br><br> Or do they???

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 3:10 a.m. CST

    "I've seen worse TV than SV get lauded here."

    by Shermdawg

    Like Fringe?

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 3:10 a.m. CST

    Shermdawg

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    I was watching some of Dwayne's wrestling skits last night. He'd make a good film-version Lex Luthor if they ever decided to go that route. Not as good as Rosenbaum, but that guy was just phenomenal.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 3:12 a.m. CST

    Shermdawg

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    No interest in Fringe, whatsoever. My brother watched the first ep, and liked it. He watched the second ep and said all but the last ten minutes were poor. That's a new record for how long a JJ Abrams show goes from good to shit.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 3:13 a.m. CST

    It was a rhetorical question Zed. ;)

    by Shermdawg

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 3:15 a.m. CST

    Shermdawg

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    It's early, I've had a diet coke, I felt like ranting about how much JJ Abrams pisses me off.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 3:15 a.m. CST

    Caviar thieves?!?

    by Horace Cox

    Fuck, now I regret not watching after the second season.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 3:15 a.m. CST

    I forget

    by SUPERJIM

    What happened in the last season finale. It was that good. Anyone have a brief synopsis?

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 3:17 a.m. CST

    Supernatural

    by David Cloverfield

    Supernatural, supernatural, supernatural.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 3:18 a.m. CST

    In Episode 2...

    by wampa_one

    maybe they'll have the woman playing Lois disguise herself as an actress. Then she can be exposed to kryptonite & acquire the ability to actually act. That could send the show in a whole new direction!

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 3:20 a.m. CST

    SUPERJIM

    by Shermdawg

    After killing Lionel for key to doohicky, he hunts down doohicky, doohicky has the power to control the traveler...a.k.a. Clark. Lex ends up at the FOS where Clark shows up and confronts him, but Lex uses doohicky to destroy FOS and presumeably kill him to protect the planet.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 3:22 a.m. CST

    smallville guilty pleasure

    by Mr_X

    i cant help watching it, even though it's crap.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 3:24 a.m. CST

    MITCH PILEGGI GUEST STARS ON NEXT WEEK'S SUPERNATURAL!!!

    by Shermdawg

    WATCH IT. Skinner, on THE REAL spiritual successor to THE X-FILES. <br><br> ... <br><br> Just not as Skinner. <br><br> ... <br><br> That'd be awesome as hell though.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 3:27 a.m. CST

    Supernatural

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    It's on my eventual list of TV shows to watch. First I have to watch The Gilmore Girls. Which is, no lie, a real character study - not a 'oh, we are this week but next week we'll focus on the mythology, and then for four weeks we'll show you some more of our leads daddy issues' piece of nonsense!

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 3:31 a.m. CST

    Oh so you're gonna start watching that show where....

    by Shermdawg

    everydamnthingtheyutterlacksanyformofpuncuationwhatsoever? <br><br> Sweet. I suggest slo-mo though.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 3:35 a.m. CST

    heh

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    I relate to people who can talk fast. Partly because I can talk and type incredibly fast.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 3:36 a.m. CST

    Thanks Shermdawg

    by SUPERJIM

    It all came flooding back... What about Lana, where did we leave her?

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 3:38 a.m. CST

    SUPERJIM

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    She woke from a Braniac induced coma thingy, and then left Clark a videotape saying she was leaving. Hopefully when she returns (it's inevitable) in S8, they'll make her somewhat likeable and mature.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 3:39 a.m. CST

    SUPERJIM

    by Shermdawg

    In a shitty videogame flick based on a popular fighting series from the early nineties.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 3:40 a.m. CST

    Kristin Kreuk is NOT Chun-Li.

    by Shermdawg

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 3:42 a.m. CST

    Street Fighter

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    It can't top the 'so bad it is hilariously awesomely bad' joys of the first one. There's one speech by Bison that is just genius.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 3:45 a.m. CST

    It is amazing

    by SUPERJIM

    How little I remember from last season, I completely forgot that Braniac was involved and messed with Lana's head. I should go back and watch the finale before I see the season 8 premier, but I can't bring myself to care.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 3:46 a.m. CST

    Street Fighter: The Movie was fucking awesome.

    by Shermdawg

    Anyone that tells you differently is an asshole.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 3:48 a.m. CST

    Best. Monologue. Ever.

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Bison: I hoped to face Guile face-to-face on the battlefield, where we could engage each other in respectful combat. Then I would snap his spine. But why? Why do they still call me a warlord? And mad? All I want to do is to create the perfect genetic soldier. Not for power, not for evil, but for good. Carlos Blanka will be the first of thousands. They will march out of my laboratory and crush every adversary, every creed, every nation! Until the world is in the loving grip of the Pax Bisonica. And peace will reign and all humanity will bow to me in humble gratitude.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 4:12 a.m. CST

    WHERE IS THE SUPERNATURAL TALKBACK, HERC ?

    by Toby___Wong

    We want it. Supernatural is the second best show on tv after The Shield. This season will probably be the best Supernatural season and I can't wait. Bring on the Winchesters kicking demon ass all over the place. And I hope to see LilithRuby. I hated Ruby in the show but her being possessed by Lilith was awesome. SUPERNATURAL, remember the name, because you will praise the show later.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 4:39 a.m. CST

    Supernatural

    by MonkeyManReturns

    Really is a good show...the cast are excellent and the arch is engaging...I really can't understand why this show is so underated especially when we talk about so much crap here...as for smallville...it is harmless fun tv...but it will surely end this season...they have done all they can and have lasted this long... well done to the smallville team but alas, its time for something new...

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 4:49 a.m. CST

    I'll watch - but only with the assistance of...

    by Yeti

    sweet, sweet alchohol.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 5:17 a.m. CST

    You can really tell it's ending this year

    by lord_zedd

    We've survived almost decade of this....

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 5:28 a.m. CST

    All you had to say was...

    by mighty boosh

    ..."Lois disguises herself as a French maid". Glad she's more regular on the show now (not talking about her bowel movements). Kristin Kreuk always looked like she was going to cry at everything. Nothing like those spunky neutrogena ads.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 5:31 a.m. CST

    Imagine Batman: The Early Years

    by mighty boosh

    8 seasons of crying about his parents. Or maybe like Smallville he'd do everything he's meant to do when older in his 'early years' show. More ninja stuff would be cool, and proper focus on Henri Ducard and his time with the monk.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 5:35 a.m. CST

    Did Herc ever answer to the "Why no Supernatural talkback"

    by David Cloverfield

    question?

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 6:05 a.m. CST

    Probably because he feels it's a Buffy ripoff.

    by Shermdawg

    But then again, there's a lot of good shows being neglected around these parts in favor of stuff the majority of the people that frequent this site would never give two shits about. <br><br> Don't get me wrong, I love me some Herc, but I just wish they'd expand the roster of Coaxial contributors and showcase the shows that need showcasing.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 6:31 a.m. CST

    Herc Thinks About Superboy...

    by ElvisPresLeeHorsleyHarveyOswaldOprahWinFreeJackHorkheimer

    ...one handed. zing! luv u herkel! Grant Morrison says - "Eat your LSD kids!" Stays crunchy in milk! and contains 8 essential Circuit Models of Consciousness! With a prize in every box!!!

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 6:33 a.m. CST

    Dreamgirl or Saturn Girl?

    by NudeandAroused

    Yeah, when I was young, 15 or so, I used to think stuff like that. I always liked Dream girl so, i would go with her. By the way, are we ever going to see Bruce Wayne pop up in "Smallville?"

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 6:36 a.m. CST

    "Are we ever going to see Bruce Wayne pop up on Smallville?"

    by Shermdawg

    That's the "Is SNL still on!?" of Smallville talkbacks.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 7:24 a.m. CST

    We Will Never See The Costume...

    by Hagakure

    ...Although I am sure Clark is going to have to take to air at some point during this season. I know they have referenced Clark's "fear of heights" at different points in the show, so I am sure someone is going to say his inability to fly is psychological. As to the costume, that is going to be the very last episode of the very last season, where the season-long arc has been wrapped up, someone says something about "destiny", close up of Clark deep in thought, and then he opens a trunk, we see the familiar "S", and then the camera is going to pan up into the sky.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 7:30 a.m. CST

    Skinner has already been on Reaper

    by chrth

    Reaper 1, Supernatural 0<p> (just kidding guys, callllllllm down)

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 7:30 a.m. CST

    DWAYNE JOHNSON IS NOT SUPERMAN

    by SnowDogs

    He would be a TERRIBLE choice as Superman. I would lose any suspension of disbelief any time I looked at him. DO NOT CAST THE ROCK AS SUPERMAN. It would be as stupid as casting Nicholas Cage.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 7:32 a.m. CST

    There's only one actor who could do justice to Superman

    by chrth

    Heath Ledger.<p> What?

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 7:47 a.m. CST

    Christian Bale as Superman

    by mighty boosh

    Then the Batman vs Superman would be really funny! Like when Phoebe and her 'sister' are in the same shot on friends....

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 7:48 a.m. CST

    Christian Bale also as the Flash! And...

    by mighty boosh

    ...Christian Bale as Green Lantern! and Christian Bale as Wonder Woman! Imagine the Justice League Movie then!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 7:56 a.m. CST

    Can't stop watching...

    by seanny_d

    Every year, I hope they cancel Smallville so I don't have to hold out hope they fix it. Since the end of season 5, I've been begging for its being put out to pasture. After fucking everything up so tremendously over the last couple years, I don't see how it's even possible to have a sufficient finale. <p>And Michael Rosenbaum appears as if he's not coming back at all, as per Ausiello at EW, so it's good the last we've seen of him is learning Clark's secret and then just mysteriously disappearing. <p> I sincerely wonder on shows like this how the writers have jobs. And I don't mean that in a malicious way at all. I just don't understand how upper brass can put up with inconsistent character development, nonsensical plots, and declining ratings.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 8:22 a.m. CST

    Supernatural...

    by EvilMonkey01

    Sherm, are they continuing the Lilith plot or was that over in the finale. I can't remember how it ended except for Dean going to hell. (which was a cool shot)

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 8:24 a.m. CST

    "The Flash"? Try Impulse instead.

    by SpyGuy

    The character's name is Bart Allen and his code-name in the Justice Little League is Impulse. <p>As for the upcoming season, I'm dreading the weird spin on Doomsday, but looking forward to Plastique, Maxima and Geoff Johns' episode with the Legion.</p>

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 8:31 a.m. CST

    SpyGuy, I'm fearing the same thing about Doomsday

    by Slippy

    Doomsday is supposed to be a paramedic? I'm not sure where they are going with this but it looks pretty ridiculous. However, I am definitely looking forward to the short Legion story-arc.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 8:36 a.m. CST

    Doomsday

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Eh, the comic-book Doomsday couldn't work onscreen for more than a two-parter. I give them some leeway that Bloome is likely going to become part of Doomsday's backstory (in that he gradually becomes Doomsday.) Sort of the reverse arc to Clark, in that a good man is going to become a monster.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Supernatural talkback please.

    by Johnny Smith

    That is all.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Mitch Pileggi is on F/X's *Sons of Liberty*

    by lynxpro

    Just thought I'd throw that out there. And the second episode of *Fringe* "borrowed" its major plot point from the second Kolchak telefilm "The Night Strangler" which was also redone as an episode of the re-imagined *Night Stalker* a couple of years ago...and done better then.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 9:35 a.m. CST

    EvilMonkey01

    by David Cloverfield

    Something happened, probably Sam's freaky powers went haywire and Lillith was gone when they woke up. There was only a dead Dean and no Lillith. If I remember right. We'll see in the "CARRY ON MY WAYWARD SON" season recap tonight. WHEEEE!

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 10:02 a.m. CST

    McPoops

    by skimn

    Damn straight!! One of the best comedies on tv gets overlooked again. I'm gonna go America all over everybody's asses!!!!

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Smallville

    by Margroks

    It's great to see Allison Mack finally billed second where she belongs. But this does sound all too much like a total retcon and isntead of getting the Clark and Chloe romance we've always deserved since Chloe has always been the real Lois of the show, we get more awful Erica Durance whose ego and publicity seeking knows no bounds. I have loved the story of Superman and Lois Lane for over fifty years and I can't stand ED as Not-Lois. She's a terrible actress and grating in her constant attempts to make herself seem bigger and better than she is. Her recent attempt to claim lead status and nominate herself for an emmy was bad enough and now she just won't shut up. I have no interest in watching Not-Lois and Clark. Even though I love Tom Welling and Allison Mack, Michael Rosenbaum should be there and they should be finishing up the story they claimed they would tell years ago. That story doesn't need an untalented hack actress like ED or the nonsense of Chloe getting more powers and stuck in a pathetic relationship with Jimmy Olsen. Chloe has always been the smart girl who supports Clark when no one else will. She is everythign the real Lois from the comics and movies and TV has always been and she is the only one we want to see back at a restored-to-legitimate-glory Daily Planet at the job she earned alongside Clark. And for the record, Clark is not qualified to be a reporter at the Daily Planet since he has expressed no interest or gained further experience in reporting since high school. This is all lightswitching of Clark and shoehorning Nois into a job she never earned since she got hired for her looks and not her talent. It's the worst kind of writing and Smallville should have ended long before they tried to shove this crap down our throats. This old Superman fan is thoroughly disgusted.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Supernatural

    by superpan

    Talkback please

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Re:Sunny

    by skimn

    I haven't read the plots to tonights episodes, but one has "The Gang Goes CSI", when a turd is found in Charlie and Frank's bed...CAN NOT WAIT!!!<p>I had thought that the addition of Danny DeVito would wreck the show, but lo and behold, he's just added to the mayhem..Sometimes the suits (who wanted a "name" in the cast) get it right.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 11:44 a.m. CST

    How long can they keep this up?

    by rev_skarekroe

    The guy's gonna be 50 before he ever puts on the tights.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 12:35 p.m. CST

    BALE kicks the crap out of WELLING

    by amateurscientist

    (how's this for random): <br>I think in a natural fight CHRISTIAN BALE could kick the shit out of TOM WELLING.<br>of course, Bale beats Welling in acting chops too (duh), and I would LOVE to see BALE's BATMAN take on WELLING's SUPERMAN... the battle would be epic, and SUPERMAN WOULD FALL.<br>there's a SUPERMAN sequel for you: <br>SUPERMAN FALLS!!!<br> where we get to watch Batman take all his (and our) aggressions out on Superman. I've read the BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN script by Andrew Kevin Walker (guy who wrote SEVEN) and it's great. I'd love to see that one dusted off, tweaked to fit today's characters, made modern, etc. and then set lose with a WELLING/ROUTH Supes... of course, my feelings are that they should SOLIDLY FINISH THE NOLAN BATMANS first -- make it a solid TRILOGY free of superman, etc.<br> by the way, do I (or any of us) need to mention that SMALLVILLE SUCKS? yeah it's pretty bad, on like, a lot of levels. in the way that the Star Wars Prequels slowly drained me of my love for StarWars, SMALLVILLE is systematically bleeding my love of Superman... it's forcing me to "leave childish things behind..."<br> man I hope that someone comes along and makes a great SUPERMAN movie so we can show the world again that he's cool. ahh... here's dreamin'. even SUPERMAN FLYBY woulda been better than the crap of Smallville.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Need to have Batman

    by GreatOne3

    Hate to keep beating a dead horse, but there is no excuse for not getting Batman/Bruce Wayne on the show. <p>Well, other than the fact that the story/dialogue would suck, I guess.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Smallville is lame

    by Luscious.868

    Always has been, always will be.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Eight Years?

    by tvspace

    Isn't it time for him to be... Ummm... SUPERMAN?!

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Worst ... Lois Lane ... ever ...

    by Royston Lodge

    Show jumped the shark when they introduced Lois. I hate that Lois gets to know Clark before he creates his nerd persona and starts wearing glasses.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 1:05 p.m. CST

    we have a KICK-ASS Supernatural talkback

    by Mose Schrute

    going in THE ZONE! Is Herc's column the only part of AICN you guys read?

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 1:30 p.m. CST

    DWAYNE JOHNSON IS SUPERMAN

    by Shermdawg

    DWAYNE JOHNSON ALSO THINKS THAT ANYONE WHO'S HANDLE IS TAKEN FROM A SHITTY CUBA GOODING JR. FILM HAS NO RIGHT TO QUESTION DWAYNE JOHNSON BEING SUPERMAN.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Always Sunny In Philedelphia 4th Season premier tonight

    by fiester

    What that.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 1:35 p.m. CST

    lynxpro, that's "SONS OF ANARCHY".

    by Shermdawg

    And other than Katey Sagal...it's pretty crappy. It's a shame good FX shows like Over There and Thief get canned but mediocre stuff like this will probably get a second season.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 1:40 p.m. CST

    "Bale beats Welling in acting chops too (duh),"

    by Shermdawg

    True, but at least Welling's got his role down, while Bale still has no fucking clue how to play Batman. And he sounds like he's about to cough up a lung while doing it.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 1:47 p.m. CST

    One of the areas I think the creators

    by veritasses

    screwed up was deciding to make it a show about Clark and not about Superman (or Clark AND Superman). I'm not a regular viewer (I think I only saw one episode last season) so I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure the character Superman was never actually in the show. The character we saw was always just Clark and each show was about teen or young-adult Clark dealing with (mostly trivial) issues as 'Clark Kent'. Actually, it wasn't a bad idea to start the series this way and to show some of the 'human' mental and emotional issues that Clark/Superman has to struggle with but 7 seasons of teen whining has limited entertainment value and was a creative mistake. There's a reason why the comics are called 'Superman' and not 'Clark' or for that matter 'Lois and Clark' (how the heck did Lois get top billing over Clark in that show?). 'Clark' and the issues that Clark deals with just aren't that exciting compared to the issues that Superman would have to deal with as Superman. The best parts of the show that I remember are when Clark was acting like Superman-ish dealing with extraordinary situations. The other major mistake was targeting the show to the tween/teen market. I can understand why they did it but creatively, it was the wrong thing to do. The issues, the expectations, the maturity, the type of problems, how problems are solved, how characters talk and act and relate to each other etc are much more varied and interesting as adults. Make the show about Superman and make the issues in each show worthy of Superman. And make Clark's issues about the problems being Superman and not about being Clark Kent. And keep it smart, not campy or dumbed down. That would really be something worth seeing. Oh, and better writers will help too. I hope the new creative team push this show in the right direction.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 1:53 p.m. CST

    I've never seen an episode of Smallville

    by Trazadone

    Nor will I until someone tells me he is Superman, flying around, fighting crime. I can't believe anyone would watch a show about Superman BEFORE he was Superman, sounds really thrilling. Can you imgaine watching 8 years of Bruce Wayne episodes?

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Shermdawg

    by skimn

    I'm still pissed that FX canned Lucky after one short season. That show had great potential, and I do recall being nominated for a couple of writing Emmys, even after being canned.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Go Read "It's Superman!" by Tom DeHaven

    by nyj_et

    It really is the best incarnation of Big Blue I've seen in years. It would've made a better movie than "Superman Returns".

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Trazadone

    by nyj_et

    A show about Bruce Wayne before he was Batman is almost what we got. Thankfully, someone was smart enough to realize that the best you'd get out of that was about the first hour of a movie, rather than 100 hours of episodic television.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 2:25 p.m. CST

    man, Clark has been getting a LOT of wear and tear...

    by RockLobster800

    ...form that blue t-shirt, red jacket combo. I mean having him wear it occasionally is fair enough but this is EVERY DAMN EPISODE....that or the blue jacket red t-shirt combo. Subtl, and particularly noticable seeing as every female character cahnges clothes five times in an ep....but yeah, smallville needs to rap...Mack needs to do better things, so I can watch her in something and ENJOY it rather than...y'know....smallville.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Seriously, where is the Supernatural talkback?

    by Mahaloth

    Supernatural kicks Smallville in the balls.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Sherm you brilliant lunatic, still at it, eh?

    by Rickey Henderson

    Rickey would like to take this time to remind you that Smallville is an exceedingly sub par television program!

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Rickey, you been reading my posts?

    by Shermdawg

    I know.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Where's the CSI talkback?

    by splungiest

    It's like a thousand times better than Smallville or Supernatural.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Supernatural blows

    by darthuser

    Where's the Ugly Betty talkback?

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 3:20 p.m. CST

    I've got a incredible Supernatural talkback going in The Zone

    by darth girlfriend

    There are other sections to read on AICN besides Herc's column, guys.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Where's The Grey's Anatomy talkback?

    by whoanecron

    It's only the highest rated drama

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Kristen Bell on The Late Late Show tomorrow

    by jim

    That's what I'm excited about!<p>and Supernatural

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 3:23 p.m. CST

    where's the My Name Is Earl talkback?

    by mach5jack

    It's written by the guy who created Yes Dear so you know it kicks the asses of The Office and 30 Rock.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Where's the America's Got Talent talkback?

    by mach5jack

    They're down to the final five tonight, aren't they?

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 3:30 p.m. CST

    Where's the Glam God with Vivica A Fox talkback?

    by Lisa Bent

    I'm sick of Herc only covering quality shows like Mad Men and The Venture Bros. Herc, please clog up Coaxial with talkbacks for Supernatural and as many other shitty shows no one watches as possible! Turn your column into something no one ever reads!

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 3:42 p.m. CST

    The big question is....

    by TVguy4566

    Now that Clark in this series is around 40, will he ever get a chance to don the cape and fly. I don't watch the show, but I think it kinda ridiculous that virtually every character and villian has been introduced to the series including what must be a incredibly lame Doomsday, but they still haven't made Superman Superman.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 3:44 p.m. CST

    No one was clogging up the tb until you guys showed up.

    by Shermdawg

    Supernatural goes hand in hand with Smallville. And if ya haven't noticed Supernatural constantly gets praised while Smallivlle is shat on around these parts.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 3:47 p.m. CST

    And another thing, I don't think anyone was complaining about...

    by Shermdawg

    ...Mad Men or The Venture Bros. being spotlighted. It's not hard to spot the things that are questionable in Coaxial, and those two aren't it.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 3:52 p.m. CST

    THE ZONE is for pussies who like order und efficiency

    by chrth

    Talkback is for ADD-addled geniuses who like to discourse using fuck every other word. Xenu bless talkback!

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 3:56 p.m. CST

    The Zone's pretty cool.

    by Shermdawg

    I've been lurking/occasionally posting for awhile now, but it's a totally different community than the talkbacks.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 4 p.m. CST

    Hot Green Arrow

    by mysterygirlx11

    the main reason to watch --one hand in my (cough cough) lap :)

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 4:02 p.m. CST

    Supernatural please...

    by turketron

    Because it'a a better show than Smallville and The Sarah Connor Chronicles, both of which have had talkbacks.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Why not just talk about Supernatural here?

    by mcgowanleg

    Here, I'll start. Supernatural is boring sub-"Charmed" CW kiddie crap. It gets beaten like a rented mule every week by CSI, Grey's Anatomy, The Office, Kitchen Nightmares and probably 10-year-old repeats of Law & Order on TNT. <p>Who's next?

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Yeah, it's true Supernatural ripped of Buffy a lot

    by David Cloverfield

    But I like to think they took Buffy and shot steroids and testosterone into it's arm. + unlike Buffy, Supernatural managed to stay sharp for three whole seasons, and didn't have shitty love triangles/on again-off again love affairs/any kind of LOVE! storylines. Gotta respect that. Yeah it doesn't have Buffy's metaphor craziness but what does? It has pagan gods living in the suburbs, actual spells used on horror movie sets, man eating clowns, and a full demon possessed town raining down on a tiny police station where the boys are captured Assault on Precinct 13 style. And a real death toll, with very rare happy endings. What else do you need?

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 4:48 p.m. CST

    If there's no Supernatural talkback tonight...

    by Johnny Smith

    ...a Devil's Gate of whoop-ass is gonna be opened up on Herc.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 4:49 p.m. CST

    mcgowanleg

    by David Cloverfield

    You're right. I am convinced. If more people watch Grey's Anatomy, I'll watch that instead. Thanks for the heads up. It's rare to meet someone this helpful and well intentioned here.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Where's the talkback for Project Runway?

    by Katie Geek

    I too am sick of Herc only posting talkbacks for great shows like South Park, Lost, Mad Men, Battlestar Galactica, The Shield, The Venture Bros., Pushing Daisies, Rome, Brotherhood, Weeds, The Sopranos, Veronica Mars, Curb Your Enthusiasm, The Office, Buffy, 30 Rock and Weeds. <p> Why not talkbacks for more boring, fucking unwatchable shows like 90210, Gossip Girl, Supernatural, Ugly Betty, Grey's Anatomy, Eli Stone, Desperate Housewives, Charmed, Family Guy, American Idol, So You Think You Can Dance, America's Got Talent, Knight Rider, Prison Break and One Tree Hill? <p> I'm tired of coming here every day to read one of the most popular TV columns on the Internet, and I believe putting my plan into action will keep readers away in droves!

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Katie Geek

    by Johnny Smith

    Rome was great and Supernatural is unwatchable? I'd agree with most of the other shows you listed in each category, but reverse those two and you're basically my best friend.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 5:17 p.m. CST

    You do realize why it's not popular is because no one really kno

    by Shermdawg

    It's certainly not due to it's quality. And Gossip Girl, 90210, and Knight Rider have had fuckton of spotlights compared to SUPERNATURAL, which is far and away better than the shows you grouped it with. <br><br> THis show is the second best sci-fi show airing on network television today. It's the best airing right now. Not having it supported here is lame.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 5:17 p.m. CST

    -ws it's on.

    by Shermdawg

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Dead horse

    by GeorgieBoy

    The show died with Jonathan Kent. Please stop beating it.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 5:25 p.m. CST

    The show died with Jonathan Kent.

    by Shermdawg

    Yes.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Hopes for Season 8

    by Jedibobster

    Here in the UK we're still on Season 7. And the show isn't plumbing the depths that it has in past seasons (4,5,6). Yeah, there's still some duffers in there, but not as many and the end of the season is improving and seems to be promising a decent last few episodes. I hope that the peeps in charge now can carry on and make Season 8 a solid (and surely final no?) one that redeems the show for having me sit through years of whiny Lana.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 5:43 p.m. CST

    time to let this show die

    by palooka_boy

    its never been very good. it was decent during the first season, in spite of its VOTW format. since then its been this slow, gradual decline into crapitude, with a few speckles of good tv thrown in here and there. but overall, this show has kind of always sucked, and thats coming from a loyal viewer since the pilot. ive always kind of known this show sucked. i think i just stuck with it out of habit. like an old friend who you're not quite sure why you're friends with anymore. but its time for it to die. i just hope it can at least go out with a bang. or a poof. or something other than ".....really?"

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 5:53 p.m. CST

    Doomsday

    by jsm1978

    IGN had an interview with the guy where he talked about it a bit. Sounds like it's a Dr. Jeckyl/werewolf sort of thing where he turns into the monsterous version of Doomsday sometimes. Might be interesting to see how they actually do it.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 6:01 p.m. CST

    Project Runway

    by Err

    The show died when Santino Rice didn't win and Christian Soriano (sp?) did.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Wait, last season's ender

    by kdoc13

    Now I missed a little bit at the end (Thanks TIVO, you cut off my show!) But I thought Lex and Clark were in the middle of a fight when it ended? Is this not the case? Did it wrap up neatly? If so, how does Lex not remember Clark later on? If not, don't you kind of need Lex in the start of this to avoid a WTF? moment?

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 7:11 p.m. CST

    KDOC13 has a low IQ

    by IndoorPlumbing

    Lex has disappeared. So has Clark. as of the start of this season, we don't know what happened. Pay attention. Smallville rules. You don't.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 7:14 p.m. CST

    BTW

    by IndoorPlumbing

    SMALLVILLE has displayed Clark Kent/Superman/Lex Luthor in a better more exciting way than any film ever has. Lex is the Lex from the comics (Michael Rosenbaum has done a phenomenal job) and Clark fights people and has a destiny and has "Superman" moments that put the films to shame. Granted the show should have went off the air years ago, it has done more than any movie - any of them - has ever done with the mythology and the action and the adventure. F all y'all.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 7:21 p.m. CST

    "F all y'all."

    by Shermdawg

    I beg your pardon. A few of us, including myself, feel the same way, but after the last two seasons, I'm not defending it anymore, no matter what they may have done right or better than any previous adaptations.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 7:23 p.m. CST

    by IndoorPlumbing

    Agreed. The show should have ended 2 seasons ago. Once it left SMALLVILLE, it lost it's awe, and ruined the mythos. It was okay before because we never really knew about his time in smallville and that made it fun, but now it's like - okay, he's working at the daily planet with lois but not having glasses and not being superman? this makes no sense.

  • I seem to recall writing that my TV chopped off the ending of it. Therefore, not having seen it, that is why I asked the question. Didn't need the douche answer. Grow up already.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 7:29 p.m. CST

    That should have read...

    by kdoc13

    Lack of ability to read.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 7:32 p.m. CST

    well...

    by IndoorPlumbing

    kdoc13 is a lady.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 7:35 p.m. CST

    It's always sunny in philadelphia TONIGHT!!!

    by BadMrWonka

    10pm on FX... can we get a talkback Herc? this is the funniest show on TV right now!

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Ok, that bullet time fakeout was pretty badass!

    by Shermdawg

    I know I say this every year during the premiere, but if they could just keep the quality up to this level on a more consistent basis...

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Ahahahahaha

    by Shermdawg

    That with the red jacket.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 7:52 p.m. CST

    *bit

    by Shermdawg

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 8 p.m. CST

    SUPERNATURAL STARTS NOW EAST COASTERS!!!

    by Shermdawg

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 8:17 p.m. CST

    "Supernatural is boring sub-"Charmed" CW kiddie crap"

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    There is no such thing as sub-Charmed.<br> Charmed is the sub-sub-sub-basement of stupid, bad, corney, cliches

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 8:29 p.m. CST

    Here's the thing

    by IndoorPlumbing

    Most of you are haters just to be haters. It's sad but it's true. Smallville isn't perfect, and certainly isn't up to par with what it was during the classic 2nd and 3rd seasons. But relax. It's better than what most would expect, and for that just shut up and enjoy it for what it is. Tools.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 8:30 p.m. CST

    The last 2 minutes WAS GREAT!

    by DrPain

    Dammit, now only if they keep what they did in those last 2 minutes for the rest of the series. Man, I don't recall feeling so good watching Smallville since season 2 through out that whole last scene. It was funny, dynamic and felt right.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 8:32 p.m. CST

    I love how diehard fans are always the first to...

    by Shermdawg

    ...partake in namecalling.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 8:42 p.m. CST

    by IndoorPlumbing

    Dr Pain, by saying that, hasn't truly watched the show. Nor has shermdawg. if you did, you'd see how they genuinely showed lex luthor, being a good decent humanitarian, slowly change into a terrible human being, and it was so realistic and perfectly orchestrated. watch the season 3 episode SHATTERED and the season 4 episode DUPLICITY to see how well the lex luthor character is carved out.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 8:43 p.m. CST

    and shermdawg, for the record...

    by IndoorPlumbing

    you're right. dummy.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 8:47 p.m. CST

    My bad.

    by IndoorPlumbing

    I said duplicity. I mean ONYX. here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZSmU_3PdfM&feature=related

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Indoor, I have watched every single episode

    by DrPain

    why I stuck with it this long after season 2? I don't know. But hey, I'm re-energized again.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 8:54 p.m. CST

    DrPain

    by IndoorPlumbing

    I understand leaving after season 4, with the whole witch nonsense thing...but c'mon, season 2 & 3 were the best. the show, while it has sooo many downfalls, has a unique way of making the "mythology" seem bigger than life. and tell me, DrPain, is Michael Rosenabum not the best actor to portray Lex Luthor, well, ever?

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 8:56 p.m. CST

    BAD MR WONKA

    by IndoorPlumbing

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 8:57 p.m. CST

    NOW THAT I'VE GOT YOUR ATTENTION

    by IndoorPlumbing

    BAD MR WONKA, the best show on tv is clearly re-runs of FRASIER and youtube videos of KNIGHTS OF PROSPERITY

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 9:03 p.m. CST

    Good stuff.

    by Shermdawg

    On a mission from god? Awesome. <br><br> Psychic exorcism? Awesome. <br><br> Recasting Ruby? Not so much. :(

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 9:09 p.m. CST

    I also love how I'M being schooled on Smallville's history.

    by Shermdawg

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 9:21 p.m. CST

    i've seen worse

    by IndoorPlumbing

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFwQRMGU8hw&feature=related

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 9:33 p.m. CST

    Best of the rest

    by IndoorPlumbing

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VONkAHyUM1U&feature=related

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 9:37 p.m. CST

    Gotta agree with you on all 3 points 'dawg.

    by jim

    I could have done without the shadow wings - kinda cheesy, but other than that the possibilities intrigued me<p>Had to figure after what all the characters have gone through they'd start to get darker<p>I thought the original was a good enough actress but the new one is no great shakes.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 9:38 p.m. CST

    Well I guess Clark doesn't need a Journalism degree anyway

    by BrandLoyalist

    I mean it's not like he's looking to get into PR

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Best Episode Ever.

    by jimbojones123

    No exageration. I haven't been excited about this show for a few years now. I actully missed 1 episode last year, and just glossed over about 2-3 others. Writer Changes AWESOME. Nice to see Clark have some personality, and for the writers to take jabs at the former writers. Super heroes doing superhero stuff. All Hartly stuff is golden. Martian losing powers. MERCY (Who was PERFECT by the way). Chloe shifting her powers. Great episode. More of this PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Erica Durance in a French maid's outfit...

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    My pants just got a lot tighter.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 10:10 p.m. CST

    So, I was just talking to my mom...

    by Shermdawg

    ...I got her into Smallville when it started airing on abcfamily, and she said "I think Lois had her nose done." <br><br> I was like "Where you been? I've been saying that for years." Something's not right about that face of hers. It's had some work done on it.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 10:18 p.m. CST

    QUESTION ONLY FOR REAL SMALLVILLE FANS:

    by IndoorPlumbing

    when, in season 3 or 4 or whatever it was, perry white came into town and said to clark "hey kid, if you ever wanna work for a paper, give me a call" or some thing like that, and it was a little wink, we all got excited. but they f'ed that up. anyone else annoyed by that?

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 10:29 p.m. CST

    How do we know he didn't give him a call?

    by Shermdawg

    Ya gotta figure, O'Toole has to be coming back this year at somepoint if this is indeed the final season, it's not out of the realm of possibility that her husband Michael McKean will return as Perry White in a guest stint.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 10:31 p.m. CST

    I'd rather have him returning than Carrie Fisher's teeth.

    by Shermdawg

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Very good Epy of SN

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    Got a bit of a Constantine vibe off it.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 11 p.m. CST

    Reaper is to Supernatural

    by SamBlackChvrch21

    what 30 Rock is to Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 11:32 p.m. CST

    Not quite Sam.

    by Shermdawg

    There's only one good thing about Reaper, and I feel sorry for him everytime I tune in.

  • Sept. 18, 2008, 11:39 p.m. CST

    Charmed and Supernatural?

    by BizarroJerry

    I haven't seen Supernatural beyond TV previews and brief glimpses of the start of episodes after S-ville, but it's pretty damn obvious to me how much better it is than Charmed...

  • Sept. 19, 2008, 1:49 a.m. CST

    Holy shit

    by David Cloverfield

    The Winchesters will be on different sides very soon.

  • Sept. 19, 2008, 2:24 a.m. CST

    Comparing Supernatural to Charmed

    by Toby___Wong

    is like comparing ice cream to horse manure.

  • Sept. 19, 2008, 2:32 a.m. CST

    How could Charmed not be better than Supernatural?

    by Mose Schrute

    Charmed was written for most of its run by Daniel Cerone, who is now showrunner on Dexter.

  • Sept. 19, 2008, 3:58 a.m. CST

    Are there any real newspapers

    by wampa_one

    that actually employ writers based on a job application?

  • Sept. 19, 2008, 4:04 a.m. CST

    Supernatural kicked ass.

    by Imagikafan

    The Winchester bros may definitely end up working against each other this season. Excellent season opener. Btw, the new Ruby is hot. :)

  • Sept. 19, 2008, 4:34 a.m. CST

    "Btw, the new Ruby is hot. :) "

    by Shermdawg

    Shes nowhere...and I mean NOWHERE near as hot as the original Ruby.

  • Sept. 19, 2008, 4:53 a.m. CST

    The original Ruby

    by Toby___Wong

    was even hotter in Lilith mode. As Ruby the character she was quite annoying.

  • Sept. 19, 2008, 6:07 a.m. CST

    Dean: Chosen of Heaven, Sam: Chosen of Hell

    by David Cloverfield

    Who would've thought? Are you guys saying Smallville was good too? That would be a shock. Maybe i1ll check it out.

  • Sept. 19, 2008, 7:13 a.m. CST

    I hate that I watcxh this crappy show

    by rbrog77

    I hate even more that I'll continue to watch it.<P> Self-loathing is a pashion of mine.

  • Sept. 19, 2008, 7:36 a.m. CST

    dam... gotta download supernatural

    by turketron

    Forgot to do it last night. Sounds like the season premiere was good.

  • Sept. 19, 2008, 8:09 a.m. CST

    Well,

    by GaiustheBrave

    I have to admit that this season's openers for both shows were pretty decent...though I much preferred Supernatural. Hate to disagree with you Shermdawg, but the new Ruth is to the old Ruth what...well take one of the comparisons above and past it here. I have a couple of gripes about the end of Smallville, though. Even though things look like they'll be different, I hate the fact that the "reset" button was hit on last season's finale. I know some things have changed, but the great damage that was supposed to happen was happily fixed in 40-something minutes, and Jor-El's control scheme overcome in, oh, a few seconds plus one commercial. And, who the fuck would hire Clark Kent to be a reporter for their paper? By all rights he should be asking other characters if they want that super-sized. Also, what's the big deal about having to find Lex just because he knows about Clark's powers? And how did these lines follow logically: "We need to split up." "We? Careful Clark, next thing you know you'll be wearing a home-spun costume with a giant 'S' on it." Huh?

  • Sept. 19, 2008, 8:33 a.m. CST

    Why is Smallville still on the air?

    by Leafar the Lost

    It makes no sense to continue this show for an 8th and hopefully final season. Rosenbaum had the good sense to leave and try to save his career. I guess the other actors on the show don't have much of a future in acting (like Welling) so they are milking this out for as long as they can. Smallville should have ended its run 3 seasons ago. This is pointless story telling; its a bad soap opera that is afraid to die a good death.

  • Sept. 19, 2008, 9:14 a.m. CST

    Supernatural was fantastic

    by Charlie Murphy

    when they kept saying they didn't know what pulled dean out, and when they started gathering weapons, i remembered eric kripke saying this season would be pretty spiritual and i was like, "shit, it wasn't a demon, it was an angel". That final scene is quite possibly my favorite of the entire series. "God commanded it, and we have work for you."

  • Sept. 19, 2008, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Supernatural premiere

    by Hamtaro Hentai

    Was one of the best season premieres ever, in that it set up very interesting possibilities for the season. Brother vs brother in the final battle? Awesome! Oh, and the Burn Notice finale was cool, except for that pesky cliffhanger...

  • Sept. 19, 2008, 9:32 a.m. CST

    I was wondering

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    How they'd get Dean out of hell.<br> And they've updated their mythos again.<br> How else is it a demon wouldn't recoginize an angel?

  • Sept. 19, 2008, 9:36 a.m. CST

    They made the angel creepier than the demons

    by David Cloverfield

    I'm pretty sure he'll ask Dean kill Sam down the line. I just hope the series ends with the Winchester boys standing together saying "Fuck you!" to the forces that "choose" them.

  • Sept. 19, 2008, 9:44 a.m. CST

    David Cloverfield

    by Toby___Wong

    That would be a great ending to the whole series. Kripke said Supernatural would last 5 seasons. I only hope that the CW doesn't screw us over by cancelling Supernatural after this season.

  • Sept. 19, 2008, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Melvin

    by Charlie Murphy

    no one thinks angels exist

  • Sept. 19, 2008, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Charlie Murphy

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    not sure in the Supernatural 'verse, but here and most fiction 'verses, demons are supposed to be fallen angels.

  • Sept. 19, 2008, 9:59 a.m. CST

    re: They made the angel creepier than the demons

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    Yeah, one of the demons said it was something "cosmic". Something they'd never seen before.<p> I got the feeling it was having to concentrate real hard to see and maintain a focus on something as insignificant as Dean.

  • Sept. 19, 2008, 10:10 a.m. CST

    New episode has promise

    by Blackguard

    Smallville seems to always have a good season opener then fall back into the boring mutant of the week formula. This one had promise with Clark FINALLY working for the Daily Planet and Green Arrow mentioning a dual identity (and Clark considering it). Now if only they actually DO something with it. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

  • Sept. 19, 2008, 10:28 a.m. CST

    Sara Palin as Wonder Woman....

    by rsswope

    and Obama as Green Lantern.... McCain? Solomon Grundy... Biden? Killer Moth... With a special appearances by Mitt Romney as Booster Gold and Howard Dean as the Blue Beetle....

  • Sept. 19, 2008, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Bad Shermdawg! Naughty Shermdawg!

    by chrth

    Reaper kicks all kinds of ass. The second half of the season was phenomenal. Don't be a hater.<p> Burn Notice finale was great last night too. The scene where Michael called Lesher at 3am while Fiona watched him sent chills up, down, and around my spine.

  • Sept. 19, 2008, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Acting is so bad it's sad

    by PornKing

    This show should be over with by now. It's got laughably bad writing/acting and I'm happy to have gotten away with only watching 3 episodes last season.

  • Sept. 19, 2008, 11 a.m. CST

    I missed something

    by jsm1978

    Trying to ask this non-spoilery, and if someone can answer without ruining it for anyone who may not have seen it yet... <p> I think I missed a few minutes by not turning back when I looked away during commercials. When Clark... left... and everyone was still in the facility, did it show what happened with everyone, or did it just come back to him in the barn and you have to guess what happened?

  • Sept. 19, 2008, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Supernatural >>> Smallville

    by Volllllume3

    So is it just me or are they going for an apocalyptic war between brothers? Castiel training Dean to be God's henchmen and Ruby training Sam to be Satan's bitch?

  • Sept. 19, 2008, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Re:Reaper

    by skimn

    I still state that Ray Wise got robbed by the Emmy nominations. Its a role that fits him like a glove.

  • Sept. 19, 2008, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Me too jsm19787

    by Blackguard

    Yeah I thought about that too jsm1978. They didn't really say what happened. Clark woke up on a couch with the Martian in the barn. No mention of Chloe from what I recall. He didn't even ask if they were all ok! I guess he was more worried that he almost died. What a douche. ;)

  • Sept. 19, 2008, 12:41 p.m. CST

    an even bigger smallville nitpick, and other thoughts

    by Charlie Murphy

    if martian manhunter lost his powers taking clark so close to the sun, how the eff did they get back to earth? as for the supernatural "demons are fallen angels" business melvin, i'm fairly certain that's not the way it is in the supernatural mythology. it seems like SN's demons are evil souls that have been to hell and back, either escapees or perhaps dispatched by satan to earth. there are people who believe in angels, but as dean said in "faith" and "houses of the holy", no one's ever seen or found any real evidence of angels actually existing. well, until now. as for the brother vs brother showdown, i think (hope) that's where it's heading. and it really shouldn't be that big of a surprise, after all, ol' yellow eyes has told sam on numerous occasions that he is going to lead the demon army. fuck, i can't stop thinking about how good supernatural is... i was a little surprised that i didn't hate smallville's premiere, considering it's been nearly unwatchable for seasons 6 and 7 and the latter part of season 5 and it hasn't been really good since season 3... although the show always seems to have decent premieres. they finally addressed why the fuck clark hasn't introduced j'onn to the rest of the league... i'm not sure i like this tess chick, mostly because we've never heard or seen her yet lex trusts her enough to say "here ya go bitch, here's my company"... i'm far from sold on the idea of doomsday, but i guess we'll have to wait until next week to see about that... um what else? oh yeah, whoever said mitch pileggi will be on supernatural next week is mistaken. his episode will be episode 3 or 4 (i can't remember which).

  • They never identified her in this episode, and I've gone for a while without watching Smallville. Is she Diana (Wonder Woman)?

  • Sept. 19, 2008, 1 p.m. CST

    "The League"...

    by Otter

    See above.

  • Sept. 19, 2008, 1:01 p.m. CST

    "The League"...

    by Otter

    See above.

  • Sept. 19, 2008, 1:05 p.m. CST

    otter

    by Charlie Murphy

    black canary, although the long black hair is just a wig to disguise her short blond hair. clever, no?

  • Sept. 19, 2008, 1:11 p.m. CST

    I must force myself to watch Smallville

    by thenatureboy

    I have watched up until now so I figure I have to watch this "final" season. It's kinda like when you pick up an ugly girl from the bar when you're hammered and have sex with her. Then you wake up next to her and figure, what the hell, might as well have sex with her again that morning.

  • Sept. 19, 2008, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Otter,

    by GaiustheBrave

    I was wondering about the same exact thing. And, as for Supernatural, I actually didn't think about the brother vs. brother until I read this TB. I guess I figured they would pull a Smallville and have everyone think, initially, that everyone is the enemy but they all fight on the same side in the end sort of thing. Now that I think of it, the brother vs. brother idea is better. The more I think of it, the more I realize how brilliant a season premiere, let alone an episode in general, it was. Instead of a "let's find Dean" opener that would lead to a boring, "bring-Buffy-back-to-life" story arc (and we all know how easily that can kill a season)they took him outta hell in the first minute and left an even greater mystery. And the angel business: brilliant! I've had my problems with the show in the past, but it really is a pretty much consistent show in terms of quality.

  • Sept. 19, 2008, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Oh, so it was Canary. Mine eyes doth fail me

    by GaiustheBrave

  • Sept. 19, 2008, 1:48 p.m. CST

    SN's fallen angels

    by belledame

    Charlie Murphy is mistaken. The demons in Supernatural are fallen angels. One told Dean as much last season when they were trapped in a basement together. She explained that they were cast out of Heaven and that they were always trying to get to Earth because Hell is so awful. Given this, it makes no sense that Dean still doesn't believe. He's just being stubborn at this point. Ruby was of the minority as a human who sold her soul to a demon, went to Hell and became one herself. I think the demon in the diner was so hysterical because it had perhaps never seen a reigning angel, like Ruby can't have. The yellow eyed demon said that Meg and that other guy were his children. Maybe some of them were conceived after the Fall. It shouldn't be a problem for an angel to journey into Hell and collect a soul. It's not like he's condemned. Only the Fallen can't get out (very easily).

  • Sept. 19, 2008, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Herc, bro, at least make any future Smallville tb's...

    by Shermdawg

    A Smallville/SUPERNATURAL combo. We do anyways.

  • Sept. 19, 2008, 2:02 p.m. CST

    belledame

    by Charlie Murphy

    maybe you're right, maybe they are fallen angels, maybe dean is being stubborn, and yeah, i do recall that scene in "sin city" but the fact remains that most characters on the show do not believe that angels exist. so i guess i could be wrong, but only partly wrong

  • Sept. 19, 2008, 2:31 p.m. CST

    The absense of angels and God

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    and other forces of good always seemed a bit off.<br> How else would crosses, holy and other artifacts have any effect without a force behind them.<p> Looking forward to seeing how they handle this.<p> I think Sam and Dean might be at different starting points but will arrive at the same conclusion.<p> This season might be about redeeming Ruby.<br> I'd like to know how last season was supposed to play out, if the writers strike hadn't interfered.

  • Sept. 19, 2008, 2:34 p.m. CST

    err

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    How else would crosses, holy *water and other artifacts...

  • Sept. 19, 2008, 3:24 p.m. CST

    belledame, most SN demons are not fallen angels

    by David Cloverfield

    They mentioned that the old badass demons are, like Lucifer, but noone ever saw one of those. The demons here are old, tortured souls, with their humanity burned away. Satan and fallen angels are a myth among demons. At least that's what they said in one episode. That's why Dean feared hell. He feared he would become one of them eventually (see the dream episode.

  • Sept. 19, 2008, 7:12 p.m. CST

    "Lois & Clark"

    by SupermanTN

    veritasses, you asked why Lois got top billing in the series... I believe it was just a little play on words, referring to "Lewis & Clark" from American history.

  • Sept. 19, 2008, 7:26 p.m. CST

    Supernatural

    by My Pretty Pony

    I could be wrong, but I wouldn't necessarily say that they're setting it up so that there will be a battle between Dean and Sam. Sam doesn't seem remotely evil right now. His power removes demons from the host's body and destroys them. Wouldn't that be an ability of someone working on the side of good? Anyway, the premiere might've been the best episode yet. That was thoroughly entertaining. I really like Castiel, but I'm unsure about this new Ruby. I don't know how often she'll be popping up, anyway. I'm definitely excited about this season and where it's headed. As for "Smallville", don't people ever get tired of complaining about the show? If you don't like it, it's simple. Don't watch it. I know it's not as good as it used to be (What show is after 8 years?), but I still enjoy it and I liked the premiere. Clark should be at the Daily Planet at this point, I'm glad Allison Mack has second billing, and that Lana is finally gone. It was also a smart move to add Green Arrow to the cast. It isn't the same w/o Lex, but what more could they have done w/ his character? I actually miss Lionel more. What I'm hoping for is at least one reappearance of Mrs. Kent and Supergirl this season, and I want to see Perry White come back and become the DP editor. Don't know why people are always bitching about "Smallville" deviating from the comics. This show, like every other incarnation of the Superman story, is putting their own spin on it. It's always been a reinvention of Superman's mythology. How could they possibly follow the comics exactly? There are so many different versions of Superman's story. It was clear from the beginning that this show was doing their own thing, since they created a brand new character, Chloe Sullivan, who had never been a part of Clark's history before.

  • Sept. 19, 2008, 11:41 p.m. CST

    Supernatural is the best show on tv

    by liljuniorbrown

    I'm sorry but to me thats just a fact. The opening flashback set to ACDC's Shook me all night long,set to images of the boys being fucking badasses...Damn i'm gay over this fucking show and i don't even know how it happened. It took me two seasons to get into it and now it just seems primed to kick major ass. Dean Winchester is like a cross between John Maclane and the comic version of Constantine,and the shit with Sam is starting to make sense. I love the idea of God stepping in to even the odd's for the boys,but it seems to me like this "Angel" will probably end up being Lucifer before the seasons over with. I know i'm being a gushing fanboy with this post but I have to say that anyone seriously comparing this show to Charmed is a moron. Besides the fact that Charmed's "mythology" was all over the map from show to show, SN has two guys driving a badass car,shooting demons and monsters with shotguns and looking at porn in there spare time(props to Dean on his choice of magazine this week.If I just got out of hell i'd be looking for pussy as well) and being overall bad asses. I'm just a seriously sick fan of this show right now.

  • Sept. 19, 2008, 11:46 p.m. CST

    re: SupermanTN

    by veritasses

    "Lewis and Clark"?! What the...!? Well, I guess that wouldn't be the worst decision ever made in Hollywood.

  • Sept. 19, 2008, 11:47 p.m. CST

    Supernatural rocks!

    by ulcer

    the new season opener "Lazarus Rising" was great! I'm just incredibly disappointed I can no longer see this show on HD in Canada this year, due to CityTV ownership changes.

  • Sept. 20, 2008, 6:38 a.m. CST

    SUPERNATURAL IS NOT A BUFFY SPIN-OFF, DAMNIT

    by Toby___Wong

    It's bad enough already that Supernatural is seen as a show for teen girls, while in fact it's not that kind of show at all. Anyone calling this show a Buffy ripoff never saw the show in the first place. After the season 4 premiere of Supernatural I can safely say, that Buffy is supremely inferior compared to Supernatural. Supernatural is seriously bad ass and not many shows can make that claim.

  • Sept. 20, 2008, 7:31 a.m. CST

    Actually IndoorPlumbing

    by TiPPiDa

    Perry White was not the Chief for the Planet, nor was he even WORKING for the Planet... he was a former Planet employee who (at the end of the show) was sober and hell bent on getting his job at the Planet back.... I stopped being REALLY interested in this show 2 years ago, but I still turn it on in the faint hope that something awesome happens... sadly this is the same way I feel about HEROES now.

  • Sept. 20, 2008, 7:34 a.m. CST

    Sure is a long TB for SV to be so hated?

    by The Founder

    Seriously this TB is way to long for the many who claim to hate the show. As for me I've never had to big a problem with SV and it's been entertaining more then mediocre. To be honest I haven't watched it at all last season. I'll tune back in this season cause some the LSH are going to show up.

  • Sept. 20, 2008, 11:14 a.m. CST

    The Founder

    by Shermdawg

    Like any talkback at AICN the discussion branched out beyond Smallville.

  • Sept. 20, 2008, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Worst premier ever and already gearing up

    by Damien Chowder

    to be the worst season ever. It's now officially a show for 12 year olds. The caviar skit certainly treated us like idiots. What was that? Does Superman exist in the same world as Axel Foley's? <p> And now we have a fem Lex with no screen presence! This had better not be a semi-reboot with rubbish fem Lex going through the same crap we have been seeing for the last 8 years. <p> I'll give it 5 episodes and that's it because that was utter shit.

  • Sept. 20, 2008, 8:57 p.m. CST

    I called it first, he's an angel.

    by SID 8.0

    Supernatural is sooooo damn good. People who aren't watching don't know what they are missing. It's the only show that I'll call my cousin during commercials to talk about. We're like a couple of school girls. When Dean slaps the demon twice knowing she won't do anything that was awesome.

  • Sept. 22, 2008, 12:54 p.m. CST

    massive typo on my part...

    by lynxpro

    Guess that was a Freudian slip of sorts...then again, one person's liberty is another person's anarchy.