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Herc’s Seen Tonight’s
2nd Episode Of FRINGE!!
I am – Hercules!!
Fringe 1.2 FAQ
What’s it called?
“The Same Old Story.”
Who’s responsible?
Teleplay is credited to series creators J.J. Abrams, Alex Kurtzman & Roberto Orci and showrunner Jeff Pinkner, “Alias” vets all. (Note that as of today “Fringe” is already tied with “Lost” in terms of number of teleplays co-written by Abrams.)
What does Fox say?
“Our unlikely trio's strange partnership begins as they investigate the mysterious death of a woman who conceives, carries to full-term and births a baby in the span of hours, and her baby who ages 80 years in a matter of minutes. As the bizarre and seemingly unexplainable occurrences are explored, quirky Dr. Bishop runs extensive testing in the lab; his reluctant son Peter endures his new role as his father's keeper; and Olivia turns to Massive Dynamic Chief Operating Officer Nina Sharp for assistance.”
What manner of assistance does the creepy cyborg Nina Sharp offer?
Massive Dynamic has a device crucial to solving this week’s central mystery. It’s bigger than a breadbox.
Say, isn’t that Mark Valley in the Fox publicity cast photo up there? Do we get to see Nina Sharp reanimate him this week?
Valley is the only individual in that photo who doesn’t get any lines this week – though he may be in the episode. His name remains in the opening credits.
I think somebody said the first few regular episodes are better than the pilot. Can Hercules offer confirmation?
Unsurprisingly, tonight’s second episode nowhere near as good as the pilot, though it still gets a recommend because it’s got a corker of a final act.
What transpires in this final act?
Just as Olivia learned last week that there may be hidden reasons for her recruitment by Broyles, there is a giant hint this week suggesting there’s a lot more to Peter than previously disclosed.
What else is Fox not telling us?
Olivia’s final encounter with Nina Sharp (another component of that final act) yields more than just the patented device she needs.
What’s good?
Young, gorgeous Betty Gilpin (“Ghost Town”) cavorts in underwear very similar to that worn by Anna Torv last week. Peter has several colorful names for the male corpse he’s investigating. There are limited commercial interruptions and a creepy closing shot. Also? One of the strengths and weaknesses of “The X-Files” was one could pretty much watch the episodes in any order. I’m thinking this may not be the case with “Fringe.”
What’s not so good?
As serial-killer stories go, tonight’s is significantly less suspenseful than “Silence of the Lambs” or “Zodiac.” The most interesting scenes by far in are all packed into the final few minutes.
9 p.m. Tuesday. Fox.
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Kinda lame. I have been reading for mins.. I guess the system is slow tonight
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My DVR is set, hope it's a good one!
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JJ lost his creativity on this manufactured show. Hopefully Star Trek won't suffer for it.
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I'll give FRINGE another episode or two, but I have to say I thought the pilot was fairly lackluster (and yes, I've heard how much money they poured into it, but it certainly didn't show on the screen). My fear was that this show would just feel like the X-FILES lightly warmed over and that's exactly what the pilot did feel like. And I have to say I'm pissed that FRINGE already seems to warrant it's own weekly talkback -- I gather because of the Abrams connection -- when a truly fun, geeky, and continuity driven show like EUREKA gets nothing. The sad truth is the pilot for FRINGE wasn't nearly as much fun or scientifically interesting as any standard episode of EUREKA which tosses out some fun ideas left and right. But hey, since JJ Abrams is involved with this it MUST be absolute genius TV, right? Well, to each is own I guess...
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it's very cool but i am nervous because it's on Fox... i am glad that Sarah Connor and Fringe are on... good for us geeks!
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Very exciting opening, and then it was all swiftly downhill from there. $10 million and they couldn't make the episode any more interesting? Where did the budget go, did they inject it into all of those giant, obnoxious digital letters and that goofy car chase? And does Joshua Jackson really need to have a witty counter-comment for every single occurance?
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The only good thing on at the moment is Entourage, even The Shield looks like its going to limp along until the final 3rd of the series where it is supposed to bring out the fireworks. This Fringe show is just silly and the worse part is JJ who needs to just fuck off right back to Dawson's Creek.
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might give this another chance. but its running out of time to show me anything.
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Can't imagine this could get any worse, but maybe it will. Time to start up a "Mystery Fringe Theater 3000" site and just rip it to shreds.
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The Fringe pilot was TOO LONG and the pace was too methodical. The wacky Dr. From The Looney Bin was a tired, poorly written character - this cost $10 million? Are you freaking kidding? The creative team got it backwards, you should have a fast paced pilot episode to draw viewers in, get us hooked - this excruciating pilot episode had so many missteps, it was painful. And what's with all the whispered dialogue?
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Or maybe it's X-Files + House = Fringe. <p> Of course, House = Quincy + Becker.
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I'll give it a few weeks to settle in.
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It's time to not watch the show. The website creation would force you to watch more of it.
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That's the question I'm asking about all the hate? The pilot wasn't without its flaws but it was still above the bar for most television programs! Every new show (regardless of what anyone says) needs to find it's rhythm and legs in the first few episodes (or, indeed, it's first season). I've been rewatching my X-Files dvds and some of the earlier episodes were - to be blunt - abysmal! But the quality of the others made up for it until there was rarely a 'bad' episode! (I'm waiting to hear people chime in on season 8 and 9 now! Haha!) Give FRINGE a chance... let them find their voice and build their mythology. As far as Sci-Fi on TV goes? It's quite good!!! And I'm along for the ride!
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The pilot was well directed and fairly interesting on the whole, but I can't say that I am really interested in these characters in the long run. It seems like Olivia already had her character arch. Peter's dad all-too conveniently goes from wacko to lucid at the right moments, and who gives a rat's ass about Peter as a character? I'll give it a few more episodes, but I'm not hooked.
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Dead character in cast photo, incomplete story line of character... dear god it's another Abrams flashback show... must... not... watch
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It was much better the second viewing. I'm giving this a shot.
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They offered up something new and different on a Friday night when you didn't expect anything decent to be on. FRINGE, so far, is offering an X-FILESish conspiracy in an era where just about every drama has some sort of a conspiracy going on and snarky comments from Pacey from DAWSON'S CREEK. <p>Hopefully, things get better quickly, but pardon some of us for feeling underwhelmed.</p>
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The shows got promise, give it time to get into its groove!! Pilot was good, I dont mind that it has an X Files feeel to it. Come Season finale I thin you'll all be singing a different tune!!
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Sept. 16, 2008, 10:55 a.m. CST
"there’s a lot more to Peter than previously disclosed"
by PensiveWombat
Nah, people have been jumping all over the exchange that Peter and his father had (paraphrasing: "It looks you're suffering from hypertension" "There are no visible signs of that") as evidence that Bishop put a little something extra into Peter. Personally, I thought they'd keep that plot development in storage for a while; having Bishop turn heel (or at least be exposed as less than angelic) would be a good sweeps development. And yes, of course Valley shows up in the cast photo - the preview at the end of the first episode had him calling Torv's character. He'll have a new body in time for sweeps. Of course, the question is, who was/is he working for? No one is dumb enough to fall for the evil music cues that suggested Massive Dynamic is the bad guy, are they? Why would Sharp suggest Torv look into the shenanigans her own company would be behind, and why would MD need to question Valley's corpse if he was working for them?
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Or Big Brother, The Biggest Loser, and Wipeout on the major three. No, the pilot was not all that the critics hyped it up to be, but it had more going for it than against. And if we don't like it, fine, Fox will develop The Biggest Brother Wipeout On Survivor Island.
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...and Felicity: FRINGE!
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Wow. How badly is the Mulder character missed...?
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I really was looking forward to this show and tried to like it. I didn't. I thought it seemed contrived or forced. I realize it's fiction, but give me a break, I thought it was boring. I won't be watching.
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How can a show with this premise from JJ Abrams be so freaking dull? Unless it gets better fast, it won't make it through the full season.
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i thought that was an original way to show the location instead of the constant "scrolling/fading in bottom corner" i especially liked that one shot looking up and the letter was still slighty in frame as if it was really sitting there.
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As first episodes go this one was pretty darn good. I'm looking forward to watching and seeing if they can keep the storyline going.
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I'll give the second episode a chance mainly because I'll already have the TV tuned to Fox for the House season opener.
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I thought the chick from terminator was a cyborg.. I don't remember this one from the pilot.
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if it gets better. The pilot was certainly a bit disappointing given the hype and pedigree but it was better than the vast majority of pilots and there's definitely a ton of potential in the premise. Plus, most shows need a few episodes for the story to settle and for the actors to find their character's voice. House and Idol will help getting an audience but it does need to show some improvement. Mostly in the writing. And someone needs to determine what the tone/atmosphere should be and change the lighting/production design accordingly. What they have now isn't bad per se but it doesn't quite work with the strong paranormal slant of the story.
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The random hate is unjustified. Or perhaps I have low standards. Or maybe there's just nothing to watch on TV right now. But aside from leaps of logic (why would a guy physically interrogate an FBI prisoner, which is a federal offense, I'm sure), giant and distracting floating letters, cliched plot developments, and a kind of meh female lead, I thought the pilot was fairly decent. God knows it's better than the train wreck that Prison Break is. Although that might not be an apt analogy considering how Prison Break fared quite well at the beginning, and devolved into sheer ridiculousness as time went on.
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I want to like it - I really do. But I just don't think it will last, ergo I am probably wasting my time. I just don't think the concept can work without a perfect actress to play the FBI agent, and the chick they got ain't her. As I said in last week's talkback, Carla Gugino would have been perfect in this role. Surprisingly, I think that fag Pacey is the strongest element in the whole ensemble ... much better than I imagined. Anyway, I want to like this show and I'll give it a few more tries, but there better be a massive hook soon ... I'm not getting involved in another go-nowhere JJ Abrams wank fest.
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I think FOX may have ordered 13 episodes or something, but the writing should be on the wall by then ala Firefly. Speaking of which, bring that show back goddamnit. I miss Inara and Jayne. (Summer can cameo as River if she's busy Terminating.)
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I see nothing special about this show. Not a single thing. So now my anticipations and expectations shift to the next big sci-fiers on Fox. Hopefully they'll be less disappointing.
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Sept. 16, 2008, 1:50 p.m. CST
I regret sitting through that 2hour shitfest sunday night.
by Shermdawg
I'll stick with it for at least 5-7 episodes (if it lasts that long) because like with any series, it takes awhile for a show to work out all the kinks and get their footing. <br><br> Cool premise, but dammit the leads are bland as hell.
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I echo the sentiment of wanting to like the pilot more than I actually did. Hell, the best part of it was Lance Reddick aka Abbadon from Lost aka Daniels from The Wire.<p><p>Nothing about the story or other characters has really grabbed me yet
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.... they fire Joshua Jackson. He always seems like an 18 year old trying to act like a 30 year old man. A stronger male lead and tone down the mysterious global conspiracy cliche.
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Heh, so the second episode is worse than shit? Interesting. I will try it out, give it a chance. Not expecting much.
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show. Easily the best of the new season. It's got tons of promise and I have no doubt it will live up to it. I loved the X-Files (minus the last movie)this is a worthy successor.
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it intrigued me enough to give it a chance for a few episodes. i think the j.j. abrams name is a bit of a blessing and a curse. it'll attract some viewers, but a large majority of them will say, "hey, this isn't LOST!", and never give it a chance. oh well, what do i know? every thing i like get's canceled, so that doesn't bode well for FRINGE... but, i have to admit i like josh jackson in this role. i can't believe i just typed that.
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What happened to that?
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there's nothing wrong with this show, certainty doesn't justify the amount of hate it's getting. the high standards of the haters means they also only fuck supermodels
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Sept. 16, 2008, 7:45 p.m. CST
SHERMDAWG IT WAS 90 MINUTES WATCH DID YOU WATCH FOR 30 MINS?
by Stormwatcher
Cuz it wasn't this. Was it Dora? Or Diego? Either way, there so much shit on tv why hate on this, I'll take it over 90210, Gossip sluts, CSI KANSAS and all the other shit that is generic.
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Sept. 16, 2008, 7:46 p.m. CST
I meant to say what did you watch, cuz man, it wasn't 2 hours
by Stormwatcher
nuff said. Oh and LOST is still the greatest thing that JJ ever took credit for.
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But they messed this show up in casting and I'm tired of the whole overcoats, flashlights and snow look. It screams 1999. Speaking of which I'd rather they scrapped this and remade Space 1999.
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I gotta wonder how fuckin miserable one has to be to talk shit about every bit of entertainment put out there. People act like they know what would make a better show but they sure as hell aren't making any money in Hollywood doing it. All these whiny-ass talkbackers are just a bunch of self-absorbed shitholes who can't seem to have fun with anything. What a fuckin miserable life. I am easy, but still, when you look at what else is out there, this show is the shit.
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Cloverfield happened. He's so full of it, he thinks people will like to watch a short, low-budget, nonsensical movie just because its got his name on it. JJ needs to understand that the only thing of his that worked is Lost. Everything else is just crap.
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And not the series, the movie! Man, if they're stealing from Barry Sonnenfeld, then they better get their act together!
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With the Keanu shit, the makeup for the limited breaks after the pilot ended, the episode two preview, and the 24 trailer, the broadcast was indeed two hours. Pardon me for not having a stopwatch on hand to time the actual episode.
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It WAS better though. <br><br> But dammit, the leads are bland as hell.
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OOOOOOH A PSYCHIC! That's not played out at all.
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is that it's not quite anything. Meaning, it's not quite a mystery, suspense horror, police/action drama, hardcore sci fi geek show etc. It tries to be these things but it doesn't really succeed so it comes off to the viewer as a diluted/watered down mystery, suspense horror, police drama, scifi show etc. And it doesn't really work when it's trying to be quick, sharp and witty either. That's partly mediocre dialog with thin characters and actors/characters who haven't presented interesting, believable or well defined relationships. The thin characters are the other major problem, esp the female lead and Blair Brown's character. They've got to create an engaging lead and an even more engaging adversary. The actors are all capable (even Pacey), the characters just need to be written better. They should first clearly define (narrowly if possible) what they want the show to be and then make sure that everyone involved works towards the same vision. They can broaden it in the future or on a per-show basis, but for now they need a tighter focus. It's all got to start with the writing though.
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...in the least bit. I think he probably reads the scripts as they come in and that's about it. <P> If Darlton even allows him to read them.
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We've seen some pretty poorly realized pilots AND series brought out in the name of the 'Genre cause' these last couple years. Bionic Woman, Knight Rider, Surface, Threshold, the underated JourneyMan, Man-imal!! This show clearly so far shows potential....Interesting characters, offbeat leads, the kind of subjects we are interested in or we wouldn't be posting here in the first place. Someone please tell me what other NEW genre show this season has measured up to or surpassed Fringe in terms of watchability and potential? I don't think the pilot or the first episode ever pandered to my intelligence or ever stopped trying to entertain. I will admit the second episode about that rascally tyke that burst outta momma hookers womb in the first 5 minutes certainly seemed like an establishing ep, it was still well written and not entirely predictable. Let's give this one a chance before we all decide it's the next Firefly and WISH we had given it more support when it aired.
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OK, nothings the next Firefly...That was imprudent. Sorry Joss
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Think about all of your favorite shows that have been on the air for years successfully -- you can sum up their basic premises in a single sentence: Buffy, X-Files, 24, LOST would be examples.<p><p> The problem with Fringe is its one-sentence summary ("FBI agent and her ragtag team investigate cases concerning abuses of science or 'fringe science'") is vague. Compare that with X-Files -- FBI agents investigate cases of a paranormal nature. "Science" is an overly broad term, and not even "fringe" science narrows things down clearly to the average TV viewer. Its pitch is neither compelling nor off-putting -- it's just a big question mark.
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Go back to Anaheim, Mighty Duck. He tried to get his dad out of the closet.
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"Interesting characters, offbeat leads"... seriously? Interesting and offbeat? You really give a shit about them in any way at all? Well, you're more forgiving than I am.<p> I think this show has been yawn-inducingly milktoast so far. The writing is some of the weakest, slowest, and most boring I've ever seen on a genre show. Which is surprising, given the talent available to JJ Abrams and showrunner Pinkner. Couldn't they have gotten their shit together and generated a distinctive, thought-provoking, even action-packed show starring quirkier and more sympathetic leads? Because the first two episodes of "Fringe" have been godawful boring. Seriously amateur, cringeworthy stuff. I really wanted to like this show, but I don't think I'll watch next week.<p> Bring on "Virtuality." At least Ron Moore's got a brain and pair of balls when he writes or directs. Fringe's writers so far possess neither.
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That episode was AWESOME. Very surprised it was better than the Pilot. The Doc has some hilarious lines.
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Sept. 16, 2008, 11:42 p.m. CST
Somebody tell me how the female lead translates into interesting
by Lovecraftfan
or even compelling. Her character and Joshua Jacksaon's character are boring drips. Watching them do ANYTHING is like watching paint dry.
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Can someone explain the significance of Joshua Jackson singing Row Your Boat at the end? Also, that shot of the three people in the hospital beds at the end - were those new soldiers that someone was "cultivating"?
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Bishop said that another patient at the asylum used to sing that every night. Thus he was so used to hearing it he couldn't get to sleep without hearing it. About the only moment of the episode I thought was worthwhile.
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that the three men depicted in the final shot might all have been played by Mark Valley.
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I don't get the ending. What was the big surprise about Peter's character?
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It just confused me. Sure I'm an idiot and that's OK. I'm digging the show though. It's fun. It still needs a couple more episodes to come into it's own but that goes with every show. Lance Reddick is the man.
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Um, action-packed? This show isn't about action. It's a crime-drama mixed with an overarching mystery. In fact, the car chase in the pilot just seemed completely out of place, the whole time I was just waiting for it to end so they could get back to the *real* show. They don't need to completely change to a different genre and make it "action-packed".
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I'm loving this show. I can't wait till next week.
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Love the pilot, but this episode was a total waste of time - almost didn't finish it. Didn't care about anything in this episode. The victims, the Deux Ex Machina to find the kille? Boring. Everything is slow moving and zero suspense. I predict cancellation if there is more like this<par><par> IMHO, the best moments of the show was those 2 minutes *at the start* of the show, where the secret group is meeting in the conference room. The rest is just a monster-of-the-week waste of time for everyone involved, and watching.
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You guys do realize that the scientist dad is only there to come up with some arbitrary magic every week just to move the plot along, right? Unlike CSI, it will have no basis in reality, and anything is possible, so there is no reason to care.<br><br> It's merely a trick (and a trap) to not have to write an intelligent and compelling story.<br><br> The show tonight was basically the same caliber of writing as an episode of Charm, except it takes itself seriously. The magic-of-the-week helps find and kill off the monster-of-the-week.
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No chemistry at all with the cast. The lead has no dimension and no charisma. The stories so far are hackneyed at best with cliched attempts to add old "fringe" science concepts into a tired plot. Why's it always gotta be guy/girl with the slow-to-build sexual tension crap and a lame stretch to have them be at satirical odds with each other? How does a frickin' lab get reconstituted over night after getting stuffed away for 17 years? And, tonight . . . tonight was the lamest rip off of Eugene Toombs I'd seen yet. WTF JJ? This is a class one turd. Not a FOX surprise, but after several good ones I'd expected this one to be another gem and not a frozen dump. Very disappointed.
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Well, on the one hand they're trying to capture that X-Files vibe by bringing on "Quirky Writer Guy" from that show. On the other hand, for some reason they decided to recycle the 70s' Night Strangler movie. Which in turn Darin Morgan helped recycle for the Night Stalker remake/reboot a couple of years ago. Even the opening theme music sounds a bit like the new Night Stalker theme.
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I think Fringe has absolutely as much basis in science as CSI does. Hell, it's probably more realistic.
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That I believe paranormal crap; just that CSI is barely above the level of Star Trek techbabble.
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It seems he was involved in every top secret project back in the days that is somehow related to what's going on in the episode. If this is how it's going to be every week, I hope they kill him off.
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It is horrible.
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Let's hope they executed it at least as well as Birds of Prey did.
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But I doubt I'll go back and watch them anyway. Show is just...ok... i guess. Doesn't Supernatural start back soon... or even this week? Now THAT is a show worth my time!
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I'm not over the moon about it, but don't think it deserves venemous hatred. (The fast pregnancy thing reminded me of Species 2, which I dearly love.)
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X-Files much?
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I mean suh-huh-HUCKED! And I can't stand the over-done, over-acted stereotypical, Dr. Zachary Smith-voiced, mad scientist character. Of his son, Exposition Boy: the State-the-Obvious Wonder. Also, Anna Torv must take bad-acting lessons from Gwyneth Paltrow. I'll give it one more shot, but if it's not better next week... It's off'a my DVR record list and good riddance!
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Bankrupt writers. Already. I mean, come on. The ideas have been great, but the execution of the plots have been terrible.
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I'll give the series a couple more episodes to see if it can find it's feet but after that, I'm out.
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Part of the problem is that the show isn't living up to its hype, either in-show or out-of-show. They keep talking about thousands of people being killed by tidal waves in Sri Lanka, and kids disappearing across the globe. Reanimation. Teleportation. What we've actually got is small-scale stuff: a guy creating a bacteriological weapon in his basement that's basically the ebola virus, and a serial killer who steals pituitary glands with a bit of rapid aging thrown in which is an existing real-world phenomena. Next week's doesn't look much better but at least there seems to be a bit of "fringe" to it. Maybe the " metal cyclinder o'doom" episode in a couple of weeks will tap into this uber-angst, but right now it seems like small potatoes and that ain't what was promised. Pardon the Darin Morgan in-joke, but if he's going to be Consulting Producer...
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Actually, the good guys are doing more "fringe"-y stuff than the bad guys. Although thanks for hitting us over the head with the solution last night, writer guys. "Look at the bridge. Look at it, damn you! Make sure it's the last significant thing you see before I kill you. Now... paralyze!" (And do we really need four writers to come up with this junk?)
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The lead actor doesn't mummble and the lead actress does not have red hair.
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I'm still going to DVR it, but I might stop. I fast-forwarded through a bit of snore, and I never do that with shows.
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Sept. 17, 2008, 9:33 a.m. CST
It's official, I'm abandoning all hope for this show
by phantom_of_teh_paradise
What a piece of shit.
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I was so-so on the pilot but I was so bored by last night's episode that I almost turned it off. I'm being patient cause I know you can't judge a show by it's early episodes but the monster of the week formula simply doesn't work in this post-Lost age, which is rather ironic. And unlike the mysteries of Lost and Alias, I don't really care about "the pattern". Granted the mysteries of Lost and Alias didn't really go anywhere, so maybe Fringe is working in reverse and I'll like where it goes, but I doubt it. I'll give it a couple more episodes and then take a break until enough people say it got good. Luckily Heroes starts next week and after managing to enjoy my rewatch of season 2, I'm looking forward to it again.
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It does on SUPERNATURAL. <br><br> It works beautifully.
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,,,Mitch Pileggi guest stars on next week's episode.
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This is a good show. I don't want anyone to say anything negative about it. If you don't want to watch the Fringe, then go watch a crappy Sci/Fi original movie...
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The problem I've had with the two episodes is that there's a quick "fringe" solution to all the events. For once I'd like to see Walter "Holy fuckballs, WTF is that?" or "Fuck that! I don't have a clue how to fix this!"
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I liked the Josh Jackson character saying "okay so how does this relate to the magical man baby and the pregnant woman?". I actually had to stop the show for a second because I couldn't stop laughing at that. Did anyone notice Abrams went to his old bag of tricks when the lady "died" and she was revived by some makeshift defribulator? that's straight out of mission impossible 3. I wonder if Spock will have that happen to him and that's how he mysteriously goes back into time.
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fringe has a problem with generating interest, characters are bland; either because they are going for the subtle look or the show thinks its soo cool that it doesnt need anything else. i still dont know what the show is? it has potential but at least x-files had a goal and bones got the relationships vs. work thing right.
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Let's see, I Fox show I like. That means it's doomed like Arrested Development, Firefly and Drive (yes, I know it wasn't that good, but I thought it had potential). I kinda like Fringe just because it's something different and I like the weird science crap. Oh, and to those of you beating on the formula -- guess what guys, storylines are never going to be new, you have a hero, a villian and they do battle. Whether that's a monster of the week or a big bad, it will always be the same. I watch for the journey, but that's just me. I like Fringe -- not love -- and I will give it a go. Even though I KNOW I am going to get burned by Fox again.
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but it has promise. I saw "Encounter at Farpoint" a couple of days ago and that was TERRIBLE. Data looked like a creep and he had this evil smile the whole time. As we all know, TNG basically exploded in season 3 and became one of the best shows ever, in my humble opinionation. There is enough to like in Fringe for me to keep watching. The main character is boring and kind of stupid, but I do like The old man and his son. Seriously, they are the best part of this show. I get the sense that they don't really know what to do with this series just yet, so hopefully it will be given time to get settled and find an identity.
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There was just so much mimicry in the show that i was distracted constantly. It wasn't original, like Alias was original or Felicity was original or LOST etc. I think FOX said to these dudes, ok we want the mystery of LOST, the secret codes and clues like LOST, the Soundtrack of LOST and yea Fuck It, how about the SAME FUKN OPENING CREDITS as LOST. Same cast, even the same grand narrative of corporate powers controlling everything.Its a shameful rip off and its incredibly obvious unlike LOST which still, after 4 years, maintains complexity, mystery and narrative surprise. Of course LOST is getting old but its been the best TV show in a long time. Oh and terrorism, homeland security and all that shit. It would have to be FOX eh. PS -greatest lines in the pilot - "is that a cow?" and that bit about corporate entities controlling everything near the end. But clearly this is not LOST and FUCK JJ ASSHOLE ABRAMS for shitting on his original show with this pitiful RIPOFF.
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Its fukn theft, someone should be charged
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This talkback has a lot of people apparently desperate to see their critical opinions reflected back at them on the internet...as if that gives their opinions validity, or something...
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and ho knows maybe Fringe is secretly a spin-off of LOST
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Second Ep. synopsis is about aging problems in people. Where did i hear about this theory before? Alpert on a magical island perhaps? I don't want to know if its related. It wasn't interesting at all and i am dissapointed with it
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they both deal with the same thing except LOST is more character driven. maybe Honso and Dharma are competing with Massive Dynamics, which makes sense. why else would they go to great length
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WTF...she's doesn't call for backup? Gives a gun to a civilian...In the pilot Joshua Jackson's character assaulted a suspect in a federal building, he strolled over to the unlocked room wtih no guard??? Does this show have any law enforcement consultants? More like Fringe writing than science. So is the crazy scientist like Scotty, Spock, Bones rolled into one? GFY
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Its like X Files all over again. God , I hope they don't cancel this after 5 episodes...
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...and I'll keep watching until it gets cancelled, but it's nowhere close to X-Files.
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She was the voice of Nariko, the redheaded bitch in Heavenly Sword.
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Mark Valley should play Captain America...
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lost: the hanso building.
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If the lead character fought as convincingly as Sydney Bristow, then this show would be good.
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I am a TV junkie.. I love LOTS, I enjoyed Cloverfield.. but I am having trouble paying attention to this. Last night I turned it off halfway thru (was DVRing it) and watched the end this morning. As already said, the leads need to add some more excitement, Dawson needs to act more grown up for this role, and the father solving everything will get old quick. But that said, it was better than 90% of the crap on TV today. Can you add charisma to the female lead pls? haha.. is that possible?
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Actually this series seems more like they took the x-files and combined it with house and got fringe.
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but you knew that...
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I think there's a basic requirement that if you want to rip a TV show, movie, comic book, etc. you have to ACTUALLY HAVE SEEN OR READ it. I thought the episode last night was BETTER than the pilot. Of course, I actually WATCHED it and LISTENED to it. In HD and Dolby Digital, there are subtle sound and visual treats for the non-ADD folks. No, this is not the greatest show ever, but I like it better after 2 shows than X-Files after an entire season. And the post regarding ST:TNG....I agree. That show was nearly unwatchable until they killed off Denise Crosby. If I had judged ST:TNG solely on the first 2 outings, I'd have never watched it again. So, I'm watching Fringe until Fox cancels it. Which they will...
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It's a decent show and I'll continue to watch it but it really requires an insane amount of suspension of disbelief.<p>I'm not talking about the supernatural stuff, I'm talking about regular stuff.<p>Like how the fuck am I supposed to believe that Joshua walked into an interrogation room and assaulted a suspect in a bombing that killed an FBI agent? And got away with it?!<p>A lot of the regular stuff like that is what gets me rolling my eyes and there seems to be a lot of that.
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...would you have said that it would become a cult series? Give Fringe time. I think it is going to be great.
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Big Brother 10 -- no thanks; Biggest Loser -- again, no thanks; Privelaged -- nah; Wipeout -- talk about rip-off; Making the band -- no, god no; Project Runway -- only when I need a Heidi Klum fix; and Eureka -- I haven't see this. So overall, it's a good Tuesday night filler. Not X-files, Not Lost, but decent fucking tv. Give it a rest guys. Honestly, take your pills already.
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about hookers being killed, I would rather go re-watch the first season of Dexter. Oh how I love me some Dexter.
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... and since "Eureka" ends next week, and there will be nothing else on, I'll continue to give this show a chance, but really, it needs to improve. Really, after the first revelation that "Pacey's" father wasn't working on toothpaste and they had this phenomenal event before them - okay, they had something very out of the ordinary happening - the skepticism and sarcasm should have flown out the window. And the quircky doc? Did he receive too many ECT's while in captivity? I want to say this show - so far - feels like they are trying to establish too many characters and subplots too quickly. Why the rush? It all feels forced and contrived. And I was on my pills last night. Good ones. I think that's one reason why I'm still going to give this a chance because I can blame some of the non-sensicalness of this series on my own altered perception.
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thanks largely to House lead-in
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That tearing noise they heard before opening her up? That was the baby bursting out of the placenta. When they pulled the kid out it was probably around the size of a 1 year old. Maybe larger. That'd be bizarre I think.<p> I agree this episode was weaker than the pilot and I don't love this crazy deus ex tech they keep pulling out to save the day at the last minute but i plan on sticking with this show for a while.
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Star Trek the Next Generation had heart and Gene was still around to make sure that Braga didn't do something stupid. After the first 10 minutes you could tell that the show would be a classic. Fringe in no way can compare to Trek. I now have lowered my expectations on the new Trek movie. After two great shows, Alias and Lost, I am shocked by the horrid quality of this new show. Perhaps he should have just gone ahead and hired Duchovoni and Anderson, at least they had chemistry.
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House was a bit meh this week. I hope Wilson still loves him. Fringe looks like it could be a real cool show given time .
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Though I still hated the "conference evaluation" in the ready room...ready to talk technobabble instead of nailing space babes and blowing stuff up! I will give Fringe more time, it's still better than any reality based show on tv. GFY
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It was in no way, shape or form "spooky." Indeed, it was shoehorned in for no narrative reason with one of the worst, most jarring edits I've ever seen on a television series. It was nothing more than a two second afterthought that made no sense in the context of the episode or the scene that came right before it. Perhaps they intended to produce an "ooh" moment in the audience, but they instead ended up with a ridiculous "the editor must've been taking a bathroom break and forgot to finish the scene" moment. Ridiculous. <p>Oh, and as for the person who asked if after watching the first two eps of THE X-FILES whether or not I would've pegged it as a cult show, the answer is an unqualified "yes." The first two XF eps were absolutely terrific -- intriguingly plotted, well-written, and featuring some exceptional character work.
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It was in no way, shape or form "spooky." Indeed, it was shoehorned in for no narrative reason with one of the worst, most jarring edits I've ever seen on a television series. It was nothing more than a two second afterthought that made no sense in the context of the episode or the scene that came right before it. Perhaps they intended to produce an "ooh" moment in the audience, but they instead ended up with a ridiculous "the editor must've been taking a bathroom break and forgot to finish the scene" moment. Ridiculous. <p>Oh, and as for the person who asked if after watching the first two eps of THE X-FILES whether or not I would've pegged it as a cult show, the answer is an unqualified "yes." The first two XF eps were absolutely terrific -- intriguingly plotted, well-written, and featuring some exceptional character work.
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I don't get it. It's not about the supernatural or the futuristic or the top secret. The idea appears to be that every week they get some science wrong and solve a crime using it. Or maybe they live in an alternative universe where science is different. Either way, I don't understand the attraction of a show where they just use bad science every week. It's not even fantastical; just worng. "Tune in next week when our plucky team must use rubber to conduct electricity in the hope of solving a mysterious crime!"
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... you obviously don't watch that much TV. It needs a bit more time to find its feet, but there's tons of worse shit out there.
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<p>After the first episode of THE X-FILES, we knew Mulder and Scully. The believer and the skeptic. Both characters were interesting and even a little quirky. We knew their names and characters. And most of all…we liked them. The camera work, subdued colors and Mark Snow’s music only accented the chemistry between the lead actors and boosted what were already clever scripts.</p><p>FRINGE, on the other hand, misses all these marks. It is a show with no charisma. None. No memorable characters. No engaging actors. No unique look or feel (outside of the ‘clever’ location markers*COUsarcasimGH*). It just sits there like a lump of left over science fiction plots from other TV shows or comic books being sifted through by uninteresting characters trying to look like they’re pressed for time. It has all the look and feel of an episode of CSI: WHATEVER, but without the CBS zing. (Yes, that was a joke.) After that thirteen hour pilot and stupid second episode, I couldn’t tell you the names of any of the characters. Nor do I even care.</p><p>I wanted to. I looked forward to the show with great interest. Even have some posters. The one with the sliced apple with fetus seeds was a clever design. But the show was an excruciating let down. One of those shows that everyone around you seems to enjoy because they received a memo telling them they had to and all you can think is “Hasn’t any one else in this room ever read or seen decent science fiction before?”</p>
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I don't like the red headed T-1000 that is in charge of the big corporation. oh wait... wrong show. (or is it?)
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I know I'm hyer-aware of them right now, since we finally got Knoll Light Factory at work a couple weeks ago, but man, this show sure likes adding lens flares in post. They look great... I'm just sayin' is all.
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pls explain your term as I am not 'in the biz'.
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and as much as i love house that wasn't the reason. it's because everyone downloaded the pilot ages ago., a couple of months to watch the second eps of a series is a long time.
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Hey folks, Just wanted to post my fringe review. You know, because I am a hit whore and some how still stuck working at a fucking biotech. Anyway: http://www.strandedinstereo.com/tv_fringe.shtml
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EXAMPLES: <p>"How many times will Pacey be referred to as a genius before he actually does something that shows he's a genius?"</p> <p>"Why did FBI Chick Whose Name You Can't Remember even bother chasing a guy she knew was aging rapidly?"
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He is always frowning. That line in his forehead is distracting.
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There was a one second blip of a scene of three guys prone in incubators. Are they clones of the nut job stealing pituitary glands? WTF?
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It would've been better than having her try to smooth out the accent which is obvious every week. Couldn't she have played an Australian medical expert or scientist who is recruited by American Homeland Security to aid in their investigations into the Pattern?
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I didn't care for him in Dawson's Creek , a show I only watched once by accident and hated. This is his best performance yet, and hey, he is engaged to Diane Kruger , so he's enjoying himself immensely right now I bet.
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she is a beauty mate !
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The trick of the week by the doc could become annoying. If he somehow knows a magical way to get evidence from another body I may grow weary.
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2nd episode was really boring.
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It was action packed from start to finish. What more do you want ffs ?
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It is the pituitary guy, but it is also a lead in to Joshua Jacksons character being a clone/test tube creation. Man can't make children, so he makes destruction etc etc. Go Team Venture
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Especially with Denethor's weak "What? You didn't see that in my son's file? Uh...Nothing to see here then. Move along..." cover-up to FBI Chick Whose Name We Can't Remember. <p>Ooooo, there's a secret we don't know! A mystery involving some sort of conspiracy! One that could presumably drag out years as long as HOUSE or AMERICAN IDOL is our lead-in!</p>
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Sept. 18, 2008, 2:19 p.m. CST
Maybe the last shot was another glimpse into Massive Dynamics fr
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At the end of the first episode we saw that dead guy get wheeled into a mysterious room. Maybe this last shot is another glimpse of what goes on inside there. It was lame though.
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But by god John Noble is an AMAZING character actor. Watching this one just for his brilliant performance. To think how GOOD he could have been in TTT and ROTK had Jackson not utterly fucked up by making Denethor a one dimensional villain...
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