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Fox Sets Meeting To Discuss Screwing Up More Superhero Franchises!!
Merrick here...
Seems a strategy meeting has been scheduled at Fox, with an eye towards gauging the viability of its various super hero dudes and dudettes. Can't see much good coming out of this.
Though Fox has no plans for a major overhaul, the studio has scheduled a strategy meeting to assess the status of its superheroes, a group sorely missed this summer. On the agenda, Fox will mull the possibility of more "X-Men" spinoffs, including a young-X-Men project as well as "Deadpool," based on a character played by Ryan Reynolds in "Wolverine." The studio is even considering reviving the "Daredevil" property.
..says THIS ARTICLE in Variety, which also discusses oft-rumored issues plaguing the upcoming WOLVERINE movie (as well as the BABYLON A.D debacle, currently decomposing in theaters).
Two recent productions, "Babylon A.D." and "Wolverine," were rumored to have gone through Fox's on-set maelstrom.
On the eve of the film's release, "Babylon" helmer Mathieu Kassovitz publicly claimed the studio ruined his longtime passion project. "Wolverine" helmer Gavin Hood was nearly fired, according to sources, because of squabbles with the studio, and two backup directors were in place before Richard Donner -- who is married to the film's producer Lauren Shuler Donner -- flew to the Australian set to smooth things over. At the time, Fox insisted that Richard Donner was on-set because he is a producer on the film. However, current credits for the film list various producers, but Donner is not one of them.
All of this, and more, can be found by JUMPING TO THE PIECE.
On the eve of the film's release, "Babylon" helmer Mathieu Kassovitz publicly claimed the studio ruined his longtime passion project. "Wolverine" helmer Gavin Hood was nearly fired, according to sources, because of squabbles with the studio, and two backup directors were in place before Richard Donner -- who is married to the film's producer Lauren Shuler Donner -- flew to the Australian set to smooth things over. At the time, Fox insisted that Richard Donner was on-set because he is a producer on the film. However, current credits for the film list various producers, but Donner is not one of them.
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On the horizon- more multi-million dollar fucked up super hero movies. The suits are clueless. Micro-managing these flicks until they're absolutely terrible.
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Their studio is doing a good job with their films, while Fox is hit or miss.
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or watch it get run into the ground.
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If any Fox tool is reading this do us and you a favor and call it a wrap.
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...looked really good to me. I was wet in the crotch area when I saw it.
I don't think Fox is gonna fuck that one up.
It would be cool to revive Daredevil, only hopefully they'll take a cue from Dark Knight and go super dark/edgy/grown-up on it.
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to change from day to night inexplicably from one moment to the next in each X-men movie to follow, I'm in.
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They have plenty of good stuff and they did X-Men, wich were very good genre movies. Take a look at what Warner did with the Superman franchise... watered down. Everyone can make mistakes.
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Do the heads of the studio just don't like making money? Look at their summer flicks this year, The Happening and X Files: I Want a Reason to Care. Other than the X Men movies when is the last time Fox had a huge blockbuster? Titantic? -
What was your problem with the dark knight?
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I don't think a stand alone movie is needed, we got a lot of his back story in X2 and this will just flesh that out and give us some villains that we don't give a fuck about. Get a decent director to do X4 if they really want to roll Wolverine out again.
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Marvel should be negotiating buying back these properties ASAP. If they could come to a similar arrangement with Fox that they had with Universal when they re-did The Incredible Hulk, where Marvel finance and take charge of a remake of the films, while Fox take the distrbution, and also perhaps take a percentage as well it would suit everyone.
The films would be better, and Fox would get a free lunch.
If it's true that all Fox care about is profit margins then surely this is the best possible course of action.
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It has so much potential as a comic book movie franchise and it deserves better than that Ben Affleck dreck of a movie. I don't know if I have confidence that Fox can do a reboot any better than the original, but I wouldn't mind seeing them try if they put it in the hands of a competent director and writer.
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Screw them.
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Sad to say, we're just gonna have to endure what Fox keeps spitting out until Marvel can get the rights back. Unfortunately, they may screw these series up so bad, Marvel may not want there properties back. Best thing we can do, is stop going to see the crap that Fox keeps dishing out. Maybe they'll wise up and leave the movie making to the professionals.
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I agree with Banzai Rootskibango, if guys at Fox are smart, they will learn lesson from TDK and make more "adult" DD movie. After TDK we can see that is possible to do more mature flick, without getting rid of fox beloved PG-13 rating.
Brian Bendis said in his recent interview, that he wants to do a DD movie script. He knows Murdock character, and Marvel U enough to do a decent job.
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The only superheros they have movie rights to are the X-Men characters they already filmed, including Wolverine, and any future Daredevil and Fantastic Four movie. Do you think that since Marvel is now producing their own fare that they'd sell off any more of their characters to Fox? I don't even think Fox has rights to other 'X' titles, like X-Factor or New Mutants, since Marvel can legitimately claim that those are separate distinct properties. All Fox can do is keep making more X-Men movies, where they were dumb enough to kill half the characters, maybe reboot Daredevil and make another turd-tastic FF4 flick. The last one was pretty terrible.
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.. becouse of that song used in the trialer. And I can't even recall the band's name ..
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Is it just me or did the x-men franchise suck? Hugh Jackman as Wolverine was horrible casting as well as Halle Berry. Xavier and Magneto were great casts, but just not enough action for me.
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anyone who thinks it will happen is dumb
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(shudder)
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Daredevil did nothing for me and its little sister Elektra was a shitstorm in itself. this Wolverine flick looks...oookay enough i suppose, fun but forgettable and making a Deadpool movie???...im not really familiar with the character so i cant say im excited or interested at the moment.
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i remember when Dougray Scott was set to play Wolverine....would that have been better???...any thoughts
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it's FOX! These people should be drug out in the street and hung for what happened to their AVP franchise as well as the Happening as well as Babylon as well as the Ratnerized Xmen as well as.....(insert any fox movie in past 4year)
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I mean, I never see anything but shit from them. Fox News? Watchmen injunction? Shitty movie? American Idol, for christ's sake?
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Especially the Director's Cut of it.
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..would somebody PLEASE strap a golden parachute to Tom Rothman's back & kick his ass off the top of Nakatomi already!
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First Singer, now Gavin Hood? Shit...It's not like these are incompetent directors! Let them do their thing. I think Wolverine's going to do HUGE business, and I think it's going to be good, but that's in spite of Fox, not because of it. The trailer kicked ass. And anyone who thinks DD doesn't ever have a chance of coming back, with or without Affleck, needs to pay more attention. There's a lot to be said for nostalgia (especially if they use Bendis' stuff as a leaping board.
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But they wouldn't know that
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filmmakers mistakenly attempt to bring the stories into our reality, when, in fact, we enjoy comics for their ability to transport us FROM our reality. These movies are lauded for several years, and then are relegated to the pop cultural scrap heap where they belong, only to be replaced by a more contemporary vision, thus allowing the cycle to continue.
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Yes, he would've.
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...I hope it sucks so hard that it becomes one of the biggest bombs in Box Office history, so that many FOX suits will have to leave.
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those movies could have been so much better
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how could you not like dark knight?
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...and again and again and again... FIRE THAT IDIOT ROTHMAN!!!
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And it made $100 million. Since it's been 6 or 7 years ago wouldn't the rights revert back to Marvel like Hulk did?
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Marvel Studios needs to start picking up more properties and fast.
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as dark knight shows. If the director makes intelligent decisions in casting, i trust most subsequent decisions. If they cast ryan reynolds, then well, shit son, wasnt dane cook taking calls? I mean, they are the same guy right? Except one is rom-com fodder and the other is an over the top average comedian...
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... it was Evanescence... and it IS probably best to forget them!
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Sep 10, 2008 3:49:55 PM CDT
Besides, no wolverine story can touch the miller/claremont stuff
by lordrando
so why try. might as well have made a fucking jubilee movie. And will we ever see sentinels? They managed to fuck up the dark phoenix storyline, so i have little hope for big screen x men. Does anyone know if Claremont was ever offered to write a screenplay? To at least advise?
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Yep, and Evanescence picked HUGE with that song and the album that contained it. I remember shot of affleck and garner kissing in the rain to that song in the trailer and I was like "fuck, it will make it's budget back" ....
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Why is Fox even in the picture anymore? This is an outrage.
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It was just a shitty damn movie. Why did Affeck and Garner start fighting in the park again? "I'm a lawyer." "I'm some pissed chick. Lets fight on the teeter totter." That and J. Garner abruptly gettin into her Electra outfit to that Evanescence song for no apparent reason. And a badly miscast kingpin. That in a nutshell was what I remember of Daredevil. It could be a hundred times better. Hell, I'll take the TV version of black pajama wearing Daredevil from 80's "The Trial of the Incredible Hulk" over that shit.
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Is Ray Park a bit long in the tooth?
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... look for his albums, only two existc and the 2nd one - UNREAL will fuck you up so to speak. AMAZING FUCKING MUSIC ... I just bought this album week ago and it was released in 2007. BURIAL should work with DAVID FINCHER, no questions asked.
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Let them put the final nail in that coffin. Two hours of Emo Peter Parker shitting himself.
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They need to work out some sort of deal where Marvel produces and manages their properties while they pay for them and get most of the profits. It's a win-win: their franchises see the same kind of energy as Iron Man and Hulk, while Marvel gets the ability to cross-pollinate their franchises with some of the greatest Marvel heroes.
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Shit-ass "news" network, TV network that will cancel any show that is actually worth a damn (Arrested Devolpment, Firefly, Andy Richter CTU, Action!, The Tick, ETC.), fucking up Fantastic Four (both films) and The X-Men (3rd one) franchises. Pure mediocrity!!! I don't pay a dime for their crap anymore. Shit, I stopped watching The Simpsons years ago.
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wait....fox DIDNT do Spider Man 3??? shocking.
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Very good. It's like a half hour longer and feels very faithful to the comic. Go ahead and laugh, but if you haven't seen it, you should.
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Its called X-FORCE. An Elite Militant team of Mutants lead by Cable. Much like your mercs portrayed by the Weapon X program, in your upcoming film Wolverine. Basically doing dirty work that the X-Men are too squeaky clean to get their hands into. Give them a villain by the like of Mr. Sinister and a few second-string X-Baddies who are all wrapped up in some government plot for control of the Nation. Spies, Conspiracies, Explosions and Power Battles.
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LMAO!!! you basically (in a nut-shell) described Daredevil down to a "T".
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If they had done SM3 we would have 3 shitty Venom spinoff movies by now.
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Sep 10, 2008 4:11:25 PM CDT
Fox - haven't you wrecked enough of your money franchises
by hallmitchell
You guys don't get it. Why don't you look at the system at Marvel. You wrecked the Alien series. You wrecked Aliens vs Predator. YOu wrecked FAntastic Four.
Stop treating the fans like idiots. Stop thinking just because it's comic book we are going to turn up in droves. How dare you not go with the Fantastic Four script that had time travel. How dare you cast Julian McMahon as Dr. Doom. The worst bit of casting since John Wayne played Genghis Khan.
Start listening to the fans. Then you might see your box office improve.
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Good to see ya!
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"Daredevil" wasn't a bad movie. It just wasn't a good one. The director's cut is a good deal better. And I loved Bullseye. So over the top he could have been in a Schumacher bat-film, but still rather frightening, like an actual sociopath. What does he do? Eats, drinks, makes bad jokes and kills people with anything he can throw. A bit like Henry Lee Lucas, but with style. -
He was a great Satan (Darkness, whatever). Good call hallmitchell.
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Fincher HATED doing Alien 3...he refused to do a Director Commentation for the Alien Quadrilogy Box-Set because of it, i think he REALLY wished he could just erase his name off of it completely.
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...and I know better than anyone how to make a superhero film because I snort lots of cocaine and have lots of sycophants telling me that I know best.Coming soon - X-Men Origins: Juggernaut. See Vinnie Jones grab Paul Gascoine's knackers in glorious 3D! It's what the cinema-going public want. All my 'focus groups' tell me so...Now where's that copy of 'Days Of Future Past'? Just as soon as I've finished with this marker-pen, I'll give Brett Ratner a call...
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And the members of X Force would all wear identical black body armor.
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They do all wear identical black (probably armored) spandex with lenses that make their eyes red. Those red eyes are great for hiding in the dark in their unstable molecule costumes.
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I want to kill the SOB who decided to drag Wolfsbane out of X-Factor to be a third-rate player in X-Force. She played an important emotional and moral role in X-Factor, but in X-Force she's just the hesitant character who doesn't want to kill. Bleah.
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Sep 10, 2008 4:21:05 PM CDT
Good posts here from a lot of people... Fox, you listening?
by daytripper69
I'm in agreement with some of you talkbackers. 1) Marvel should buy back their properties as they are the only studio that has a firm understanding of the material. Fox (esp. that Tom Rothman character) is run by executives who underestimate their core audience and seems only to be concerned with turning a profit. 2) Daredevil definitely deserves to be rebooted & done right, and I know just the right director who would be perfect for the job: QuentinTarantino. The man is smart enough and he loves his comic books. (Check out the silhouette samurai battle from Kill Bill One and tell me that wasn’t Miller-influenced.) 3) This new Wolverine movie should have been a direct adaptation of the Chris Claremont/Frank Miller miniseries from the early 80s. The storyline was compelling, had plenty of action, and did not deal much with Wolverine's past, which had already been dealt with in X2. I like the idea a young X-Men movie, by the way (only, of course, if Fox doesn’t get their grubby little mitts on it.) Flick should center on their formative years, with the core members of Cyclops, Marvel Girl, Angel, Beast, and Iceman. Go totally Lee and Kirby on it. Set the movie at a different continuity from the Bryan Singer films. Do a Sentinels storyline!
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Indeed they do. I just wiki'd it. I haven't seen X-Force since the original comics by Rob Liefeld. My reference was more or less a dig at the balck rubber suitification of our childhood heroes (X-Men, GI Joe).
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Gotcha. I thought you were being ironic. Instead, the situation itself is ironic.
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... after Babylon AD ... call me metrosexual ass licking fucker but from the bottom of my hear I DO believe the guy deserve his chance to be amongst the most highest paid action actors right now. Just give Diesel to Fincher or Nolan or whoever who got's talen. And then, let the hell begins ....
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Terrible idea. Anything Liefeld inspired is LOL schiesse. I'd rather watch Script Girl: The Movie!
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I nominate a pair of barely concealed cantaloupes with glasses.
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At this point, Marvel is the only "studio" where I see the name and I am instantly more likely to see the film. I don't feel that way about any other studio. Also, to what extent does FOX have control over Marvel's mutants? Could they just make a Cable movie if they felt like it? Do they own every human in Marvel who was born with powers instead of got them by accident? How did they package these deals? The same could be asked for the other studios. Kingpin can be used by Daredevil, but not Spider-Man?
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First rule of AICN is you don't talk about Scriptgirl or Milk in a derogatory manner.
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until they back the fuck away from the Watchmen law suit. Fox executives have some cheek thinking that comic book fans will buy into their cocaine driven psychopathic stupidity when they are seeking to stop the world from seeing a decebnt take on moore's Watchmen. If Fox continues to seek to hold back the Watchmen movie then any attempt to push superhero movies will backfire due to a fan boycott. No Fox superheor movies until they back off from Watchmen. Simple. As. That.
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Starring Omar Epps as Willie Mays Blade. Does New Line still own that?
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You think Marvel wouldn't like their properties back?
Fox and Sony know that no matter what, the mutant (and yes they all count as one property), Spider-Man and Fantastic Four properties are a gold mine whether the films are good or not. -
I realize this is off-topic, but only slightly, unlike some of my posts
From the article: "Of the eight films Fox released between May 2 and Sept. 1, only "[What Happened in] Vegas" benefited from good word of mouth -- which was reflected not only by the box office, but by critical reaction."
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what kind of name is the winged doucheman?
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My understanding was that Fincher hd in fact recorded a commentary for Alien 3, but because it was very critical of the studio, the studio did not include it or something along those lines.
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It had a few cringe-inducing moments, but overall, I thought it was pretty good.
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Then evolved into Winged (pronounced wing-ed) Doucheman. End of mystery.
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Sep 10, 2008 5:12:50 PM CDT
Most problems in life are solved by "Jumping to the piece."
by cletus van damme
Give it a floor run, see if it plays.
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when they got back the rights? It looks like Fox wants to fuck it up before Marvel gets their hands on it.
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he could be a huge star, but he keeps choosing bad projects. Even his hits are mostly geared towards 12 year olds. He definately needs to do an adult movie that allows him to do more - maybe play a villain, or get in a Scorsese movie.
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Sep 10, 2008 5:15:15 PM CDT
Fox has a bad history of canning/screwing up great films and sho
by mr nicholas
I don't hold much hope for any of those movies. I bet even Wolverine gets its claws dulled down to make it more like Spider-Man.
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This isn’t NASA anymore, okay? You’re at Delco Cat Toys and we do not play around! We clean our own asses
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to keep their rights. Even though I don't think they liked the X-men property to begin with. Why else would they of green lit X-men 3 : Wolverine and Storm? And fuck their Daredevil "franchise". That was a piece of shit. Wow on second thought, Fox is one shitty company. Can't they do anything right?
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If you are not going to support the Director's vision/choices then why hire him? Just keep hiring Brett Ratner if you want a hack who will capitulate to your every request. Don't hire Spike Jonze then act shocked when he doesn't deliver a Ron Howard movie.
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They'll hire one of the "actors" from current crop of fake reality shows, High School Musical, or Gossip Girl to play a younger Matt Murdock. Maybe he's a law student now or wait he's the son of Matt Murdock and Elektra. He acts very feminine, but he's not gay. His best friend is gay though and his girlfriend is the daughter of the kingpin. Oh and he's not blind either and his costume will have a cape and he has all kinds of gadgets and cars (merchandising people). No one calls him Daredevil either, just DD as to not offend any religous groups.
I better stop now Rothman is gonna use this for a DD reboot.
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Starring Master P as Daredevil.
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was that goddamn song (Save me from Evavesance) Rob Zombie's Man without fear sounded much better IMO.Then there's garner as elektra, piss poor casting far worse than a black kingpin, in which the green mile guy did a good job portraying him btw.Oh and a GFY to
MCcain for making a mountain out of a molehill, that and being a hypocrite..then again most republicans are. -
the Directors Cut of Daredevil was a decent film....the opening bit as he took the costume off really captured the essence of DD, he isn't a "super" hero, these nightly battles take a toil on him, but he keeps going back out there...The film is underrated and under appreciated- a sequel would be welcome..... bringing Affleck back wouldn't be a bad idea (though I doubt he'd do it now)...And Michel Clarke Duncan as Kingpin-not a bad casting choice either....
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Sep 10, 2008 5:43:03 PM CDT
You just wait, the Direct to DVD Superhero sequels will happen..
by kravmaguffin
Blade IV: The Quickening - Wow and it could star Wesley Snipes too!
Xmen:The Beginning
Blade Origins: Whistler's Mother
Teen Blade
Teen Blade 2: Electric Boogalo
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Actually they'll probably have everyone call him "Double-D" and kill him off in the first 30 minutes so the hotter and more marketable gay friend can take over
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Kevin Smith on script.
Frank Miller on directing.
Jason Statham as daredevil.
Cameos - Iron Fist and Dr. Strange.
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SR was the biggest superhero screwup of the all, and it was from Warner Brothers. If they didn't have Christopher Nolan, they'd have nothing. 'Nuff said.
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Sep 10, 2008 5:49:58 PM CDT
Tried watching Superman Returns again on HBO the other night...
by the winged doucheman
Couldn't. No matter where you jump in at, you're looking at a boring block of dialogue or pouting nonsense. As a whole its ok. But try and jump in at a random place, and it won't keep your interest.
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Merrick, do you, or Mori or Beaks (or anyone) happen to know the exact details of Fox's ownership of these properties? How long do they have to be inactive before they revert? Seems like the only way Marvel will get them is if it gets worse (i.e the movies stop making money) before it gets better. What a waste of great material.
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Who Decides What characters are part of the X-men License. How does fox have the Rights to X-factor and the spin-offs and how long do they and sony have the damn rights? I wish there was a way marvel could fillibuster and keep sony and fox from making any more movie till the license runs out.
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The extended cut of it on the Quadrilogy boxset is worlds better than the theatrical cut. Still, if you ever want to see the definition of clusterfuck, look at the creation of that movie.
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try and fuck with Cameron. I'm missing all those Cameron war-stories of old. Come on Rothman, try Jimbo out - I dare you!!
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is the requirement to hang onto the property i reckon. Unless one of them completely bombs Sony and Fox will probably be happy to hang on to them as long as possible
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Good catch, sir! I salute you :)
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Why not make a movie about these two? Or did Brett Ratner and Fox already fuck that one up?
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re: wikipedia and alien3
wow.. fox sucks grandma ass. That is no way to develop a creative idea. I love the Alan Dean Foster part:
'A novelization of the film was authored by Alan Dean Foster. His adaptations includes many scenes that were cut from the final film, some of which later reappeared in the Assembly Cut. Foster wanted his adaptation to differ from the film's script, which he disliked, but Walter Hill declared he should not alter the storyline. Foster later commented: "So out went my carefully constructed motivations for all the principal prisoners, my preserving the life of Newt (her killing in the film is an obscenity) and much else. Embittered by this experience, that's why I turned down Resurrection."' -
...of sunset clause on the Marvel rights that Fox currently owns. I mean they ARE Marvel characters right? Anyone with better I-net research skill know where to find that kind of thing, contracts and the like? Maybe Marvel Studios is just biding their time until the contract comes up.
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...UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
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Let's face facts: X-Men would have made money regardless of how bad it was (ie Fantastic Four)...Fox missed the chance to potentially double or triple their revenues on the franchise if they were committed to making a great movie - they weren't. As long as idiot fans go and watch the drivel they put out (I'm looking at you T3), hollywood in general, and Fox in particular, will just keep pumping shit out.
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I hope it doesn't but it probably will
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...if Richard Donner had supposedly been sent to the Wolverine set to 'smooth things over', but was actually there to watch the production with an eye to eventually take over and direct the sequel. Because that's never happened in superhero films before.
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was a very good movie. Over 30 minutes of additional character development and plot were put back in. It is definitely a much much better version than the theatrical release.
It's unfortunate that it gets so overly and unjustly criticized.
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Don't let it happen Dick! Fight Fight Fight!
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It still has the playground scene. Can't shine a turd.
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It's really incredible when you think about it. I mean, how is it possible that a movie studio with this many public problems is still run by the same incompetent douchebag? I thought that Hollywood kicked your ass to the curb after ONE fuck up, let alone TWENTY. I used to love this studio. I mean, I never thought that a studio could actually turn me off to any property with their name on it. I never thought that a studio could consistently produce crap after crap no matter who's attached. An entire studio. It's really incredible.
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Is it because it's owned by a crazy man with a hot Asian wife?
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X2 is one of THE greatest comic book movies of all time...right up there with Dark Knight and Spidey 2.
It's not pheasible for Fox to make X4 because of the major fuck ups of X3...but, they are smart in perhaps starting up a whole new series of single-character films based on the X universe, each with the opportunity to give us the mutants that couldn't make it to the first three X films.
All they can do is reboot X-Men, but that wouldn't make sense either as long as they have a viable money-maker with Jackman in his own series.
The WOLVERINE trailer was great and that movie is gonn rock.
Daredevil needs to take a cue from Dark Knight and have a grown-up/serious/edgy take on the material.
As far as MARVEL is concerned, they need to buy back all of their properties and give them the treatments they deserve.
Also, NO MORE RAIMI FOR SPIDER-MAN! REBOOT! These things work in 'threes'...and Raimi already had the first three...CHANGE IT UP! No more revenge jazz dance sequences!
Sure, Raimi had Spidey 1 which was great, and Spidey 2 which is one of the best ever but he slipped up with 3 and that slip-up fucked over the black suit storyline and shortchanged the Venom character.
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The man was made for the Merc With The Mouth. How is that screwing up a franchise? Also, I agree that Daredevil is underrated, everyone is just blinded (pun intended) by the Affleck hate.
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1988 Frank Miller would have been amazing. 2008 Frank Miller.... no thank you. Check out any of his recent Batman comics to see how well he writes superheroes these days. Instead get a proven director who understands Frank Miller's style (like Zach Snyder but obviously he is not working for Fox any time soon). Personally I'd rather see a Marvel-produced Fantastic Four reboot from someone like John Favreau or Brad Bird.
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after X2 Singer was awesome, after Superman Returns, he sucked. there is no magic formula. there's no use bitching if a superhero movie sucks, just make another one. they keep making bond movies because it's a great property. there's a few duds in there, but that doesn't (and shouldn't) faze the studio.
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Donner kept that film from turning into a massive disaster with a cameo by Telly Savalas (as a man on the street mistaken for Luthor), having Lex Luthor played as a neurotic who nervously chewed tissues (I'm not kidding), and flying effects that were just an afterthought by the producers (not to mention one of the producers insisting on a screen test for his wife's DENTIST for the title role--just because the guy had a square jaw). Donner made ONE film in 1977-78, inheriting the project from Guy Hanmilton who had no idea how to do Superman. Donner had one shot (with only a few weeks prep time) and the producers nickle-and-dimed him all the way, so much so that he stopped talking to them. And the crew sided with him. Everthing that came AFTER "Superman: The Movie" was the work of the producers and their toady directors. It's actually a very interesting story, if you are into film making. Donner also advised Singer during the scripting of the fist X-MEN.
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comes as much from the horrible miscasting of Elektra, the horrible way the character was used in general, and the lack of a real Bullseye in costume. We all know you can't cover up the faces of the stars! I would see Assface as DD again if the script was decent. I didn't have any problem with him as Murdock. I also don't think anything was done in X3 that could stop them from making a 4th. They're practically making Wolverine a big mutant team-up anyways.
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Sep 10, 2008 10:44:50 PM CDT
That's what happens when Rupert Murdoch puts his claws into thin
by chien_sale
Fuck Fox News, Fuck Fox Studios, Fuck everything they do
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TV Thor rules!!!
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I can't be the only one who thinks that the idea of a Deadpool movie is just AWFUL. Deadpool is a great character on paper, but I seriously doubt that anyone would be able to do him justice on screen. He'll either come off as all assassin without any humor or as a loony tune who happens to kill people and neither one of those is anywhere near correct.
Also - Never saw the Daredevil movie but I can't help but think that nobody would pay any attention to a reboot if they made one. They made a damn good reboot of the Hulk and it performed only decently at the box office. I think the majority of the public really doesn't have the patience to wait around for these studios to get these movies right - they lose interest at the first sign of suck. -
Having all the X-men wear black latex suits was a disgrace. Then they had Daredevil, Elektra, and Fantastic Four to fuck up.
Fox then decided to make a PG-13 Aliens vs Predator, and a PG-13 Die Hard 4. FOX sucks, and I laugh at their shitty Summer Movie line-up. Fuck them. -
One of Deadpool's key traits is his meta awareness of the fact he's a ridiculous comic book character and his skewering of traditional comic book and superhero conventions. The only way I can see them carrying that to film would be to have him act as a self aware narrator whos not afraid to call out the silly and cliched stuff that's happening on screen to the audience, ala Robert Downey Jr.'s characterin Kiss Kiss Bang Bang.
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If they pulled it off well enough, that could actually work for Deadpool.
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Bring it on. Just make it badass.
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Deadpool could work as a movie, but you'd need a brilliantly deranged and coked-up director to pull it off. How much blow is Scorsese doing these days? Just keep any of the current generation of directors that think McG is a genius away from the project and it'll work fine.
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You have to be out of your fucking mind to come up with the idea of PG-13ing franchises like Alien Vs Predator and Die Hard.
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Both are not fair and unbalanced.
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zooch said it a few posts above, but deserves repeating. He'd be awesome as Daredevil.
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I was watching the doc Behind the Planet of the Apes last week and was astonished at the stupidity and stinginess. These days when you make a sequel to a successful film you throw more money into it since you pretty much know you're going to make a tidy profit with a built-in audience. With each successive Apes sequel, Fox kept cutting the budget, the cynical rationale being "yes, we have a built-in audience, so why spend more money on the production when we can spend less and still make B.O.?"
Even more telling is listening to Richard Zanuck, who comes off as a bit of a moron. He's the only person who doesn't think POTA mirrors anything in America at the time. He says he can't see anything other than an adventure movie in it. -
Look, I actually really liked Daredevil. I was a fan of the books, I was a fan of the movie. Especially the Director's Cut. Which as said before was much better than the original cut.
That being said though. Daredevil had some serious flaws. First, Kingpin. If you've really got only one really big bad guy, you don't get rid of him in the first movie. Especially in such a lame way.
Elecktra. I love me some Jennifer Garner. But she wasn't Elecktra. I wanted Angelina Jolie, tits flopping around, in a red catsuit, and sporting a greek accent.
Backstory. It's an origin movie, you have to tell the backstory. But the problem is, unless you make the entire move about him getting to that point, like Batman Begins, you really are just taking a detour from the main story, or making the ultimate clash between the villain and the hero predictable.
That's actually it, those are the problems with Daredevil. You can knock Affleck, but who else could have played him back then? Josh Hartnet? Vince Vaughn? At that point the list of names that could pull it off were pretty slim. People forget David freaking Schwimmer was being talked about. What else, the CGI? It wasn't given the budget to be on par with Spiderman. Most people had no clue who Daredevil was, it wasn't going to get the budget for bigger stunts or better CGI. Bullseye? I don't care what anyone says, Bullseye is one of the best bad guys filmed. The boredom with killing in ordinary ways, the self-hype. Colin Farrell nailed it. And I defy anyone to tell me they didn't enjoy the way he offed the old lady on the plane.
I personally hope they do another Daredevil, and I hope they bring back Affleck. Forget Kevin Smith, let his stick to dick and fart jokes, it's what he's good at (And I say that as a fan). His superman script is for fanboys only, this kind of movie needs broader appeal to be successful. Other than that, I can't wait for DD2. -
He's go the chops, the brooding angst, and the build (super muscular and lean, but not in a bulky way).
It's too bad he said he'd never ever do a comic book movie though. -
Treat their super hero stuff like most people treat animated stuff they think it's ___you know__for kids.
Which is really weird considering some of their most popular stuff is animated AND appeals across a wide demographic.
I love the 'Marvel takes the creative reigns everyone shares the money' idea. It could probably give Fox a little credibility for making a sane decision regarding it's brand. -
Mark Steven Johnson's movie really wasn't it. Just imagine a proper, character-driven, fuck-CGI Daredevil vigilante movie. Look at Brian Michael Bendis' work, get a good director and a good actor (Guy Pearce would be great, and he has the correct hair colour, for a change). You don't need a big budget, just like you don't need a big budget to make a good Punisher movie. You need a good story and well developed characters, but Fox just doesn't seem to get that.
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Holly cow. What kind of people are pulling the strings at Fox? Somebody REALLY needs to let them know that life isn't a puppet show.
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After teh way they treated Xmen and the crappy Fantastic Four movies(which shoudlhave been the ultimate Superhero flicks) I will NEVER see another comic book movie from Fox until Rothman and his lackies are gone.
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Hire real talent and just leave them alone to do their jobs. Sure, you need to check in once in a while,...see how things are going. But no artist likes to draw with someone looking over his shoulder. It's really not too hard to let real talent shine. Just let them be inspired, you know? (If I ask for too much, then... please ...return the Marvel properties.)
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they want movies that are specifically geared toward the demographics that'll make them the most money but will require them to spend as little as possible. they don't give a shit about a good story, character development, a coherent plot, or visionary filmmakers. they don't care about any of that, they just want a product that appeals to the lowest common denominator. that is why Tom Rothman and his lawyers overrun productions on movies like Babylon A.D. and Wolverine, and that is why they're shooting themselves in the foot. all Fox need to do is look at what Christopher Nolan has done with the Batman franchise to see what other companies are doing right and what Fox is doing wrong. WB hired a talented filmmaker with vision and who "gets" the character, then let him craft the movie. and it has payed off hugely for WB. but when you overtake a production and micromanage it in order to minimize spending while somehow trying to maximize profit, then the product is going to suffer. if they don't get this, there won't ever be another Fox-produced superhero movie to rank among the best. they were lucky that Bryan Singer was a good enough filmmaker to take all the bullshit Fox put him through and still make two great superhero movies.
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early years x-men were boring. the original 5 were a fantastic four re-hash. cyclops and jean grey are a fucking snooze-fest.
the dark phoenix saga can't be done justice without a hefty budget, that is a cosmic battle including different races/planets/kingdoms joining forces to (not) kill her.
they need to re-boot with the nightcrawler, collosus, wolverine, storm, shadowcat, rogue, cyclops team that really put them on the map. have shadowcat be an untouchable narrator (see the movie through the eyes of this young girl, like the comic was when she started).
the x-men are about team dynamic. don't put the soggy blanket members (jean grey, angel, beast).
don't put in melodramatic love stories. don't put in billions of pointless cameos. don't put in kids.
have magneto be an ally until the 3rd one. build a tension between humans and mutants. make the mutants fucking frightening (have rogue flying around like a train, have storm roll in with some intimidating thunderheads, CGI nightcrawler so his acrobatics and teleporting are almost confusing. they need to be scary. it needs more spectacle than "the same thing that happens to everything else".)
1st movie-x-men vs. sentinels (humans/army)
2nd movie-x-men vs. hellfire club/white queen (mutant vs. mutant, academy vs. academy)
3rd movie-x-men vs. magneto
and, i would love to see venus or serena williams as storm. she needs to be an imposing figure. she needs to be more warriorlike. storm is a great character that deserves more than being played by the beautifully boring halle berry.
and, for the love of all things dorky, don't put everyone in the same black leather jumpsuits. why are we stripping these characters of their individuality?
i'm fearful of how gambit will be ruined in the wolverine movie.
i just dorked all over my keyboard, but it drives me nuts that the movies all introduced characters just to introduce them. it was an action flick that rarely held up to the source material.
mystique was awesome, though. and, the nightcrawler sequence in the white house was great. -
old UK comic...would be a cool movie.
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Seems that people rarely change. Sounds like Fox needs an overhaul.
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This is probably Fox's most valuable property. After the last movie, which was so-so at best and the box office reflected it, the franchise looked tired and worn. I think the way to save it would be reintroducing it in a few years with a younger and hipper new cast, new art direction (lose the cookie cutter black leather and go with more colorful, high-tech combat uniforms that are evolutions of the comic costumes), pump up the SFX, introduce a villian like Apocalypse or Sentinels or recast the Brotherhood, and follow a storyline like Phoenix/Dark Phoenix, Age of Apocalypse, or go back to the X-Men vs. the all-new kick ass brotherhood of Evil mutants. Then make it a roller coaster ride, popcorn movie as opposed to trying to draw parallels between ML King and Malcolm X. It should just be a movie where superheroes and supervillians exist and they fight like hell for dominance. The audience for these movies want to be wowed.
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You have to have support and interest to make a franchise. The original Hellboy only made $59 mil and yet it got a sequel. Blade 1,2&3 ($70M, $82M, $52) and they tried to make a series. So why not Ghost Rider and Daredevil? They made $115M and $102M respectively AND Daredevil held the #1 spot at the boxoffice for 2 weeks when it opened. Granted the director's cut of DD is immensely superior to the theatrical cut but I really don't equate box office "failure" with sequels. Hulk got a relaunch. Why not DD & GR? Especially now that Jason Statham has expressed interest in donning the red cowl and horns. Although I have to agree with previous posters in that I have touted Guy Pearce as the perfect Matt Murdock replacement for years.
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Obviously, recasting is in order. Marsden is a decent enough actor, but he's not particularly charismatic. Cyclops needs to be quiet and brooding but also a leader, not just a convenient target for Wolverine's jokes.
Remember one of Joss Whedon's best X-moments - a damaged but very deadly Sentinel emerges from the woods at the edge of the school's grounds. Everybody runs out in pajamas. Colossus and Wolverine are ready to attack, but Cyclops waves them back. Move, shouts Wolverine! I have to get to the central processor. Stay back, Cyclops replies, grimly. I want this thing off my lawn. He pulls off his visor. Half of a page goes crimson. When the light dies, the Sentinel is scrap and every tree within about 500 feet has been mowed down. Wolverine looks over.
"Summers," he says, " every once in a while I remember why you're in charge." -
All three have been bad or at least largely mediocre.
The X-films succeeded by not being incredibly horrible out of the gate. They can be much, much more than the drab, workmanlike films that they were. There can be more color, more crazy ideas and characters; give them to Del Toro or something. Their franchise should not be more boring than Hulk or Iron Man.
The FF desperately need a soft reboot with Rachel McAdams as Sue and a new director and writer.
DD deserves so much better as well. Either version of that film was SHIT. -
I was watching The Alien 3 documentary and there was some fucking tit from Fox talking complete shite when the editor of the movie and the actors said they were screaming at them not to make some of the changes that the tool was insisting on. Fox is staffed by morons.
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they don't have enough money...even though the x-men movies were average to crappy...they make 400 million a pop. you think fox is giving that up?? it's our fault for buying tickets to watch filth. hoping they would eventually "get it right".
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really? And since when did anyone think (a) Deadpool should have his own movie and (b) it should be headlined by Ryan Reynolds?
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This time, hire an actor who can act, one who isn't a total douchebag. Also, please feel free to hire a writer who knows how to write and a director who knows how to direct. In addition, the Kingpin is white, Bullseye is scary and cool (not irritating and corny), and Elektra is a badass sexy Greek ninja (not a blank statuesque co-ed who looks kinda hot one second, and then looks like a retarded 10 year old boy the next).
Btw, Matt Damon would make a good Daredevil in case you were wondering.
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How on gods green earth can anyone who has read Frank Millers Man without fear mini-series (which was his actual DD movie draft) or born again, claim the movie was at all good? Directors cut my ass! Was the totally ridiculous kung fu match between a woman and a blind man in a public park removed? A park, by the way, across from a diner Murdock frequents regularly which was in turn near the courthouse. Pfah. Was the lame cgi DD free-falling what seems to be a hundred stories, landing on his feet and running off removed? The man has hyper-senses and radar, he aint Spider-Man! That film was just a trial to sit thru. When i read born again, it was like crime noir, where the protagonist just happens to wear a red devil costume on some occasions. I think of what Daredevil could have been and it just saddens me.
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..leave Electra out of any reboots. Stop trying to fit 20 some odd issues of story into a 90 minute movie. Karen Page should be the love interest. By the end of the movie she leaves because she can't handle Matts double life and the hardships it brings. If the movie's successful, then start the Electra story in the sequel.
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They have quite a bit of Marvel's properties as it is. Is there anything preventing them from creating a cohesive universe there? If it is true that they have to make a film every so many years or lose the rights, if they make a cohesive universe, they could use most of the properties in every movie if they wanted to. Obviously the odds are that they would just fuck up multiple franchise possibilities with a single stone, but it would be an economical way to maintain property rights at the very least.
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Glad to see this movie finally getting some praise as i have been defending it on AICN for some time.
This is the one that should have been released in the theaters and not the shitty PG-13 version.Guy Pearce as DD? I always visulized him as Cyclops before Singer's XMen came to be.Speaking of Singer, it's ironic that he left X3 to helm SR and guess which one fared better at the box office not to mention more critical praise?If there ever was a DD reboot, cast Jolie as Elektra as I have also previously mentioned on the posts.Matthew Fox just might do it as Murdock. (good suggestion)I can't picture Damon as DD or even Capt A.However, I do agree with his Anti-Palin sentiment.:P
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