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Leonardo DiCaprio as young 'Sonny' in GODFATHER IV'
Booooy, I bet the talkback on this one is gonna be violent. In today's HOLLYWOOD REPORTER they announced that Mario Puzo and Francis Ford Coppola are in discussions about GODFATHER IV. But the part I think alot of you are gonna go apeshit angry about is that Andy Garcia and Leonardo DiCaprio are already attached. And it looks as if Leo might very well be playing the young Sonny to Andy Garcia's illegitimate Son of Sonny. Kinda like Deniro playing Brando and Pacino playing Son of Brando. Now... With that.... I will turn over the beauty of this news to all of you HAPPY people to discuss. Personally, I want Coppola to make that gigantic sci-fi film he's always dreamed and talked about. BUT... I could live with another Godfather film... but it better win Best Picture.... :)
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It seems like Leo has taken upon himself to infiltrate the most cherished of film series (Star Wars, Godfather) and piss everyone off. Someone should make that trick disappear.
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Could Leo actually possess the silent but deadly persona that Pacino had ??? I dunno but I hope this does get made. By the way, I'm first.
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Ok, leo is a good actor, i will admit that. but i really think they should find someone else to play this role, someone who looks a little more rugged. I can deal with leo in SW2, but i just can't see him as a tough italian growing up a mobs life. I would like to see them cast someone who can looks a little more scrappy
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Leonardo DiCaprio relishes his persona as Wild Young Androgyne. He creates interest by exploiting pedophilic tendencies -- which run rampant among Hollywood's emotionally stunted gay men and childless women -- and then seeks to both profit financially (Titanic) and cruelly twist his accessible, mainstream, inoffensive persona (The Beach) in fits of narcissistic alienation. The question is: What is his agenda? Is he after social change? (Star Wars and The Godfather -- more profit motive projects a la TITANIC -- give him credibility in Peoria, allowing him to transgress in his future projects. Remember how close he came to following up TITANIC with AMERICAN PSYCHO?) Or is he just a snickering, amoral, apolitical boy-man (as evidenced by his bisexuality, his use of crack cocaine) who wants merely to shock, to garner a kind of empty pomo Beatnik, rebel-for-the-hell of it status? Either way, it's fascinating and disheartening to watch this talented -- and once upon a time serious -- actor sell his soul to the magazine covers. By not washing, or watching his weight, by indulging in gross decadenet extremes, he's living out the Brando/Dean paradigm of self-destructive, impossibly sexy star. Who knows, he may prove as ephemeral -- literally AND metaphorically -- as Jesse Camp. Terrified of masculinity, his wicked aggressive moves towards subversiveness may be nothing but a capitalist pose, a la Camp (the ultimate millenial poseur). Someone should sit him down and help him figure stuff out, because his erratic lifestyle and career management spells doom. River Phoenix and Kurt Cobain are his models -- when he should be choosing the honestly transgressive, oppositional Sean Penn or Michael Stipe, who have both found ways to survive and create good art with minimal self-destructive self-indulgence. -
and gets his rocks off by watching you anti-DiCaprio freaks flame out.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again - Leo's a good actor (cases in point: "Gilbert Grape," "This Boy's Life," "Basketball Diaries"). He's got the range, the charisma and the talent to pull off any role he chooses. And with an army of personal trainers, dieticians, etc., at his service, the physical attributes needed for any role are only a few months away.
Yeah, Leo hasn't exactly gotten the best press of late, with his late-night antics and party hopping. But I'll admit what most of you fuming freaks won't - I'd trade in my 9 to 5 for a place in Leo's posse any day. What fuckin' fun that would be!
Leo can do Anakin. He can do Sonny. He can do a hell of a lot more with a hell of a lot less than a lot of other actors out there. Here's a thought - instead of turning this Talk Back into one, long, "DiCaprio sucks! Death to Leo!" post, why not debate the merits of Godfather IV - like, should one even be made, and if so, is this even the right script for it? -
And next up on his slate after playing 'young' Sonny-boy and 'young' Anakin in Godfather 4 and Star Wars Episode Two respectively he'll be playing in a remake of 'young' Sherlock Holmes (can you guess which role he'll be playing?), followed by the challenging role of a 'young' Captain Willard in Apocalypse Now: The Early Years, then he heads off over to the set of 1995: A Space Prequel where he will portray the complex role of a 'young', emmotionally confused Hal9000. Then it's off to what may be the most complex role of his life as he plays a 'young' Leonardo DiCaprio in the film version of his life "Young, Yes I'm Bloody Young Damn It!". Unfortunately he had to drop out of the remake of Psycho 2 (some say that Norman Bates wasn't young enough for Leo's liking...) to do back to back films Glory 2: Before The War (as 'young' Tripp) and Jurasic Park 3 (as a 'young' Velociraptor). Does this young man's talents know no bounds? And they say Hollywood lacks imagination...
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other than the people hoping to make money/jump start their careers from it? All right, so III wasn't a stinker. Still, it was a flawed film, and an unneccessary one. Part II brought everything to an end soooo PERFECTLY -- in order to save "The Family" Michael finds himself killing his own brother. Perfect, Shakespearean even in the tragic irony. Everything else is an excercise in futility afterwards.
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Leo would get gonorrhea of the eye
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If you know your George Lucas inner circle, you know that George and Francis have a friendship that goes back many, many years. Does this explain the sightings of Leo with George? Or is this story a cover for Leo's work on the Episode 2? Interesting to consider nonetheless.
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As I said numerous times in the Star Wars Talk Backs, I think DiCaprio will do very well with this role. He'll bring the same intensity to a young Sonny that he'll bring to a young Anakin. And Sonny is, after all, supposed to be the ultimate ladies' man, so who could do much better than DiCaprio himself? Regardless, I'm excited by the prospect of a fourth Godfather. Just as Part II transcended the original artistically, Part IV will vastly outdo the flawed Part III. Of course, Coppola had a stronger foundation when he was making II, but I think the ingeniousness of the story structure will overwhelm the problems that using III as the center of the story presents. And lastly: Bravo to csleepy, whose post is almost word-for-word what I've been saying for months.
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We're all focusing on the easy target, DiCaprio, instead of the real culprits - Coppola and Puzo. This movie should not be made! Can't they have an original idea no and then? The Godfather saga is NOT a francise; it's not an "Adventures of..." movie. It's a continuing story cetered on character development, a story which has already been concluded (twice!). Coppola and Puzo are still rich enough to purchase some self respect.
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I know that sequels make a lot of money and all, but could we please leave these fine films alone? It's bad enough when people try to remake classics frame by frame, but to add on unecessary sequels or prequels to good movies just sickens me. Star Wars, Episode I did not need to be made and neither does a fourth installment of the Godfather series. Both of these movies did just fine with plot and exposition of just three films. We do not need the excessiveness of these extra attempts at making money.
I agree with the author, Coppola should go do his fantasy film and not submit himself to a movie which could harm the beauty and strength of the first three Godfather films.
As for Leo...the boy's not a terrible actor, but he's not fit for parts in either Star Wars or Godfather films. He's too girly and young. He better put some gristle in his looks and take that awed "gee willikers" tone out of his voice first. -
Jun 21, 1999 2:17:46 PM CDT
Another example of how far down the shitter Coppolas career has
by vilos cohaagen
My God, has Coppolas career hit the skids so much that he has to now whore off his only real accomplishment, the Godfather saga. The man is a bit of a stuck up prick who has had the wind nocked out of his sails recently, but c'mon Francis don't screw with the series anymore. Three was almost a goat fuck, and would have been better if you hadn't stuck your untalented daughter in the lead female role. Do something original and don't go down the path of the other 70's directors who's ego exceeds their taste and talents and make some shitty sequel just to make a buck or try to get back in the game. If not, then we can put you, DePalma, Lucas and Mallick on a rocket and launch you to the moon.
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Why harp on Leo, when the real issue is that with very few exceptions (STAR TREK IV, THUNDERBALL), the fourth one always sucks, or is at least the weakest. Cases in point: SUPERMAN IV, LETHAL WEAPON IV, ALIEN RESURRECTION, BATMAN AND ROBIN, and THE PHANTOM MENACE. This is another case of a movie that doesn't need to be made. It will only serve ruin the memory of previous installments. The story of Michael Corleone and the Family has been concluded. Let THE GODFATHER Saga stay completed. This is not a story that needs to be told. Let Leo, Andy, and Francis go make another mobster movie!
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Leo in Godfather IV? I think not. It's another stupid Hollywood tack-on deserved no merits at all. Even Francis Ford Coppola himself say that he's not going to work on it. No one can't make GF IV withOUT Coppola's say-so.
By the way, James Caan isn't dead.
But I bet James puked his gut on this news of Leo playing "Sonny".
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The sad fact is that Mr. Coppola hasn't directed a decent movie since Apocolypse Now, and Mario Puzo is tapped out out new ideas when it comes to this topic. Godfather IV won't take a dive just because Leonardo's in it. It'll sink because the creative spark behind the original two classics has long since extinguished. So for all of you Leo haters out there, just be patient, bite your tongue, and let him sink with the ship.
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Hollywood wants a Mafia story. Hollywood wants to make money (duh, it's all they want - quality not included). Hollywood wants a surefire audience grabber. Hollywood wants safety. Hollywood wants unoriginality. Hollywood wants to make Leo happy. What do they do? Make another god damn, fucked up sequel film that they know has a built in audience, and can get said audience to see it. Not one producer can give you a valid reason for making this soon to be peice of shit that *NO* critic will like, and *NO* _Godfather_ fan will like. Even if it's a slightly good movie, it's fucking got Leo in it!!! A Mafia film!! With Leo! Just kill me now.
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Leonardo DiCaprio's success or failure means much too much to a good portion of you out there. Why are you getting mad at HIM? He's just an actor getting work. Who would turn down opportunities to work with such acclaimed directors?
You should be upset with the directors or whoever makes the casting decisions. These antagonistic feelings you have are totally irrational. What is upsetting you so much? That he was in Titanic? That he is living it up, which I'm sure any of you in the same position as him would do? I mean, I don't like Gwyneth Paltrow, but I can admit to the fact that she has talent. I'm not horrified and spitting in disgust any time I hear she is going to be cast in something. And as for csleepy (if I remember the name correctly from the talkback posting), somebody likes their thesaurus! For all of the million dollar words you put in your babbling rant, you sure do have amazingly little to say. I bet you patted yourself on the back good after that one. -
DiCaprio sucks! Death to Leo!
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i have no objections to a fourth godfather film if it's done right. all i've got to say is that it better be damn better than the third, and i mean like the same quality as the first and second. second, to coppola and puzo, if you know this is not a best picture contender, don't fucking make it! only make it if you've got a story to tell (and by that i mean a great one), don't turn it into a rocky v or superman iv, etc. but with the return of lucas, malick, and kubrick (his last) to directing recently maybe it can be a good time for coppola to make a fourth godfather. it's doubtful that it could ever live up to the first or second, but to coppola and puzo i say, surprise me.
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Yeah I also heard that Leo is going to be in Romeo and Juliet II, Mission Impossible II, The Rock II, Titanic II, Rocky VI, VII and VIII, Micky Blue Eyes II, Tarzan II, The Iron Giant II, Austin Powers III and IV, The Fourteenth Floor, The Twelve Warrior, The Ass of Zorro, Taxi Driver II: Bus Driver, Citizen Kane II: Mr. Ass, Gone with the Wind II: My mama, and I also heard that Leo had sex with a donkey last night and is currently being raped by a bunch of mad goats so...
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Don't forget that Leo also signed a contract last week about being Jack Dawson in the movie "I got raped by mad goats last night" and it's 25 sequels.
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I can't really blame Leonardo for taking roles... after all, that's what actors do, and it's the responsibility of the filmmakers to choose the right actors for any given part. I do serioiusly question their decision to consider him for Sonny... Sonny was a legend in his own time, known for his brutish strength, physical prowess, virility, and violent temper. There's no way that Leo gives off that particular kind of stage presence that James Caan hit so perfectly. Much more importantly, I can't see what could be gained by actually making this movie. The saga has come to a very logical conclusion, and any further wrangling of an already convoluted storyline would, in my mind, be asking the audience to suspend a little too much disbelief to buy it. Also, there's the idea that there would no longer be a Corleone family character that ties the entire saga together, now that Michael has died. I just don't think it would jive well... so for lots of reasons, this is a project that would better be left unmade.
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Stop pissing about DiCaprio, we're all sick of TITANIC but he ain't a bad actor. So he's better looking than the average geek... Is that reason enough to act like moronic jerks? Get a life (and no I don't particularly like him either). And go read the REAL news items before p
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A small quote from JFK sums up the whole Leo (Ep2 & godfather4) thing very well.
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but SONNY??? No way. He's tall, blonde, and pale. He can be a hothead, but what's the point if you have to change his whole appearance to make him look like the young Sonny? All we'll be looking at are the wiglines and brown-eyed contacts and steroid enhancements. This whole GF IV thing better not be a youth-audience cash-in for Coppola who hasn't made a good movie since GF II (one of my top-five greatest of all time). It's amazing that the only teenager ever in a GF movie was Sofia. He should be thinking "Once Upon a Time in America"--not "Mobsters." From what I've seen in "Rainmaker," "Jack," and "Dracula," though...
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This is the man responsible for "The Last Don" and the rather oxymoronically titled "Last Don II." Also, it is well known that Puzo was the one pushing for a film to be made out of the Parker Bros. game "Monopoly." I am not making this up.
Some people burn bright early in their career and then start to fade. Coppola is such an artist. I was obliged to see his film "Jack," as much of it was filmed just down the street from me, and I still strongly feel that theatres should have been required by law to provide nooses to all patrons of the movie.
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I must admit, I'm very apprehensive about Leo being in either Star Wars or Godfather IV because most actors bring some sort of baggage with them to the screen. With the right role, it makes no difference, but with the wrong role everyone knows that a better casting decision should have been made. What Leo does with his free time really means nothing and there is rarely debate about the acting ability of the guy. I'm not saying he's right or wrong for either of these roles. I just think that if people don't like the idea of him being in certain movies they should make arguments for someone they think is good for the role. Unless of course they don't even like the idea of Lucas or Coppola making the films.
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I say again, huh? And Dicaprio playing a young Italian James Caan was the idea of which primate-brained thirteen year old girl? Dicaprio is not James Caan by any measure. He doesn't look like him at all! Okay, his name suggests Italian descent, but Dicaprio is BLOND AND BLUE EYED! Is he going to wear contacts and dye his hair? He still wouldn't look like James Caan. Harry, I thought the Dicaprio as Anakin was a slim but interesting possiblity. Now this sounds like Entertainment Tonight, droping the name Leo just to grab attention. Forget Dicaprio. All I want to know is, will the Godmother, Talia Shire, be coming back? And her son from Rushmore would be far better for the role of a young Sonny IMHO.
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people, it's a kids movie, it's not for geeks like you who want to bring their dark and gloomy view of the world to every movie out there. I took my three year old to this movie and she loved it. Harry, I don't even know why yo upost this on your site so the people here can tear it apart. It's for KIDS you goofs.
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OK, this is just on the cards because Francis Ford Coppola has really done terrible work recently. I mean, lets not forget 'Jack'. So, he considers a fourth (!) part of the Godfather movies. Only you could try that, Francis.
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Now I know how it feels...I have absolutely no interest in anything STAR WARS, so I read the Talk Backs in amusement a couple of weeks back when it was announced that Leo may play teenage Anakin. I guess now I could wipe that grin off my face. Seriously, though, I'm not going to cry and tear my hair out over this. THE GODFATHER and THE GODFATHER PART II are absolute masterpieces. Nothing can touch them. While GODFATHER III had its moments, it was a pale shadow of the two earlier films. Still, it would be interesting to see the saga continued. Andy Garcia's rise to power in Part III made me want more. It will be interesting to see what happens to him in Part IV. If Leo is cast, hey. He's a good actor in non-giant ship movies. Remember that back in the early 1980s when there was talk of a third GODFATHER film, another hot young actor whose name was seemingly attached to every new project was approached to play the son (Anthony) of Michael Corleone. His name? John Travolta.
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As long as Francis Ford Coppola and Mario Puzo are attached, I'm sure THE GODFATHER IV will be a worthy sequel.
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I agree with some others in that the real issue is not Leo, but whether fourth one should be made at all. I mean I have'nt like a Coppala film in forever, and number III was pretty painful. (Although I think Sophia did a better job than critics say. A lot of those reviews of her just seemed spiteful.) Dracula was the longest, biggest, damn bore I sat through that year. Even the tit scenes didn't wake me from my slumbering in the seat. The movie was beautiful for costuming and scenery, but JESUS the acting. (But the poster was cool...)
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I don't know why Copola feels the need to constantly sell out. He's got the power to do anything he wants and he still chooses to do schlockfests. Go do that damn sci-fi film and forget Puzo who sells out even more than you, I don't know maybe they all have a chemical imbalance in their heads that makes them crave money.
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Hey, it may be the Hollywood Reporter and not the Enquirer, but "sources" still don't mean a whole lot to me. It sounds like it's on the table, but a lot of things can and will happen before this film starts production, if ever. I mean, first of all, who knows how interested Leo really is in the role? And I haven't seen him working for cheap since Titanic, and a rickety franchise and hitless-since-Dracula director like Coppola might not inspire the studio to open up the coffers too wide. Now, I agree with a few of you that I think Leo is talented enough to pull off just about any dramatic role he wants, but that isn't really the point right now. The point, as has been stated elsewhere, is why even make another film? I liked elements of GII, but it wasn't in the same league as the previous two, nor has Coppola shown that kind of magic since Apocalypse. And the last interview I read with Coppola, I think it was in Premiere, he said he had a great American story he had wanted to do for years, but the state of the industry forced him to do other films like "Jack" to try to become bankable again as a director. If he's just rehashing Godfather to get to do what he really wants, why should we get excited about it? Yeah, he's one of the few to actually make a sequel that equals, maybe improves on the original, but he's only done it once. And I don't see Puzo offering a lot of support, based on his last few hack novels. I'll wait and see. As for Leo as Anakin, I doubt very seriously he'd do it, mostly because of the money he would no doubt demand for it. Lucas has never shelled out like that before, but on the other hand, he may need to dig deeper to get people in the seats for Episode II, after his muddled effort.
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How can Leo play a young Sonny? There are not two people in the world who look as different as James Caan and Leo. Maybe Caans son, who was in "Varsity Blues" and "Enemy of The State" would be a much better choice. Garcia has to return in part 4, he was the best thing about part 3. Anyways this rumour ain`t true people, don`t get your panties in a bunch. Coppola,through his people today said he has no plans for Godfather 4. Same for Leo`s and Andy Garcia`s spokespeople.
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So who's going to play all the other members of the Corleone family? Anyone thought about that? I ASSUME we'll be seeing Vito at an age set somewhere between DeNiro and Brando. Will DeNiro get the call up again (and save his acting career in the process?)What about Michael and the other children? Maybe Coppola and Puzo will avoid all the continuity problems and make this movie the adventures of Sonny after he's convieniently wisked away from New York as a baby to grow up in a small suburb of London only to return to New York to be reunited with the family just in time for Michaels wedding. Or something.
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Jun 21, 1999 5:46:01 PM CDT
It's so far down the list I doubt anyone will read this, but...
by profez
Awhile ago someone suggested that Giovanni Ribisi Play Anakin. Is it just me, or does anyne else think this is BRILLIANT! It's such an unobvious choice, it be great! Eh. It's probably just me.
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Ok kids, I really really really really like Leo in "What's Eating Gilbert Grape". I enjoyed his work in "Basketball Diaries". But, no, please... not "The Godfather Part IV." I know a few years ago Puzo and Cope were talking about one that followed DeNiro again and would take place a few years before the first film. I like Leo but he is not a Correlone. Please. Maybe a young Tom Hagen... but Sonny. If this is true... well I bite my fist and say to those involved, "badda bing!"
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Jeeze! Is Coppola running out of ideas or what?! Leo should play Luca Brazzi's part and sleep with the fishes!
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The Godfather was the story of Michael Corleone. That's it. Coppola only even agreed to do 3 because he was out of money, he's not in massive debt now so I doubt he'll further wreck the franchise.
If by some strange twist of fate they do do a 4th movie with DiCaprio at least it means he'll have something to do other than Episode 1 - I'd much rather see him in Godfather 4 than in Episodes 2 and 3. At least Godfather there's a complete story without him - see 1 and 2, they're great movies about Michael's fall from grace, and skip 3 and the possible 4. 2 and 3 NEED to be good in order to make the plot of the series complete - 3 has the potential to be the greatest of the bunch (final fall from grace of Anakin) if they do it well.
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Forget The Godfather 4. How about Back To The Future 4. Leave The Godfather movies at a trilogy and give the people what they want.
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Isn't it sad that such a talent as Coppola is rehashing almost 3 decades old films? Whats next a remake of THE TERROR? As far as Leo as Sonny, this is about as assanine as Will Smith as James West. On another note did anyone notice the complete lack of any blacks in Disneys recent TARZAN? I guess the powers that be were terrified at the thought of showing any blacks as load bearers and natives. PC be damned.
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(responding to the post above this) yeah ok, Leo in Back to the Future 4 huh? What about him being in Jurassic Park 3: The fool's zoo as a dino? I also heard a rumor of him being in James Bond: Tomorrow never dies 2: Golden Bra as the golden bra! But I'd prefer him being in Batman and Robin and Mr. Ass 2: Mr. Ass's Episode as Mr. Ass!
just shut the f*()*&(&(&(&k up
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I don't want to see Leo in SW2 and
I don't want to see him in Godfather part IV !!!
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If any person singlehandedly ruined "Godfather III," it was the god-awful Sofia Coppola, a woman only a doting father would find attractive and talented (she's been the Nancy Sinatra of the '90s). As long as Leo has a perm (so that he at least sort of approximates a young James Caan), he can't ruin "Godfather IV," but the participation of Sofia as a ghost or in a flashback would kill the whole thing for sure. KEEP HER OUT, DADDY.
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What happened to this project? While the story of the Italian mafia seems to be done to death, this project seemed like a perfect vehicle for Leo to explore the world of the Irish mob. Apart from Phil Joneau's underrated "State of Grace" this is a subject ripe for an epic movie. Although Leo wouldn't be my first choice for a movie of this type, he seems better suited for an Irishman than an Italian. Godfather IV!! I mean, I know that "The Sopranos" is a fantastic story and "Analyze This" cleaned up at the box office but does this warrant a sequel to one of film's arguably great trilogies (GF Part 3 is stretching it, I know). Leo should know better, as should Hollywood.
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That guy must be bullshit that an actor who is, in the words of macho Prez candidate John McCain, "an adrogynous wimp" will be playing the savage he immortalized on screen. Christ, I just don't buy it. Is Leo gonna have back hair grafted on and have his hair permed to look like Caan? God, that would be a hoot. And Garcia? That fella is a heartbeat away from direct to video films with Shannon Tweed. He must be "servicing" Coppola in order to get this film made. The only theme I could imagine them exploring is how the young destroy what their parents built up. How the people running the mob today are cokehead screw-ups with no honor (like their forebears did!). Well, better to have Leo ravage this cultural icon than Anakin Skywalker. But really -- what modern mafia tale could this new Godfather borrow from? Gotti? Been there, done that. I like the fact-based Vatican scheme from the last one (pretty much the only thing I liked; anyone else notice Sofia Coppola in the end credits of Phantom menace? She plays a handmaiden. Thank God her dad hasn't pissed off everybody in Hollywood, huh?). I just don't think we need a Godfather IV. Put it to bed, Francis and Mario, before you start casting your grand children in principal roles.
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Don't give me that "Leo doesn't suck as much cock as you say he does" line. The guy absolutely sucks. If you're going to cite examples of retarded and/or masturbating crack heads as the great Leo performances, why not look to the episodes of "Blossom" where Joey Lawrence talks to Mayim Bialik about condoms for Christ's sake? ** Joey Lawrence would be perfect because of that "very special episode" blah blah blah ** Get the hell back to reality. I would gladly sacrifice the Godfather series if it means not seeing Leo in the Star Wars series. But I'm not excited about this idea. I call upon all sane human beings to bear torches and pitchforks and run to the Coppola compound. Let's make him an offer he can't refuse. Sweet Jesus, I hate all these damn Leo rumors. His next role will be as a washed-up 30-year-old with ninety illegitimate children and a penchant for sucking dick to support his crack habit.
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Before we all get completely medieval on the man who once played Obi-Wan to Lucas' Anakin, let's not forget the long list of distinguished fourth movies in established movie series' that have graced us over the years. Who can forget the lush visuals, angst-ridden character portrayals, and sweet pink tanktops of Kickboxer IV? Or the subtle conflicts that slowly unfolded throughout the course of Rocky IV? And Leprechaun 4: In Space - did the sheer neorealist genius of placing our little twisted anti-hero in anti-gravity escape everyone? And who can forget the most famous fourth installment of all: C'mon, all you anti-Gunganites, you remember - that little gem that brought Jar-Jar Binks into the world?
Bundren said it best earlier: Anything after Godfather II would be fluff. But, Coppola is the man who invented sequels, more or less, and he's already had his Jar-Jarring with the choice of Sofia Coppola as a principal player in Godfather III, so maybe he's learned something. And, as has been well documented, for good and sarcastic purposes by many others, Leo and Andy Garcia can carry a movie pretty well. But for now, though, we've all just got to hope against hope that if this project goes down, Celine Dion is allowed nowhere near the soundtrack scoring sessions. I'm just not sure that the cinemati could handle that kind of perceived sellout from the auteur behind John Grisham's The Rainmaker. But if it does go down, as long as Leo wears a pink tanktop and gets to throw spin heel kicks in poor Third World countries, you can count me in. -
Jun 21, 1999 10:53:50 PM CDT
If this is what it takes to keep him away from Episode 2, then "
by dr. zeus
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Is anybody really surprised that Hollywood is making this movie? This series almost made it a couple decades before being completely demeaned. This is nineties Hollywood, they'd rather make a movie based on Inspector Gadget or the Brady Bunch than find an original screenplay. That's no surprise. If we truly want change in the quality of movies, I say we boycott the studios! Of course they're going to keep making Godzilla and Wild Wild West if people go to see them. So if you really feel strongly about it, watch more independent movies! (And no, Fox Searchlight does not make independent movies.) In the past there have been great movements like neorealism and poetic realism and surrealism and some other -isms, and great auteurs like Bergman and Kurosawa. Now we have the Bruce-Willis-Summer-Vehicle movement and great filmmakers like Devlin-Emmerich. Don't let Kubrik's torch die this summer! Go see Eyes Wide Shut a million times but skip Wild Wild West. Send a message!
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An interesting quote from page 49:
"Hollywood flavor of the month":
Compulsion by studios to cast the hottest actor of the moment in a coveted role,regarless of whether the actor conforms to the look or style the original author had in mind for the character."
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... who looked so ridiculous trying to beat up Billy Zane in "Titanic" that the scene was cut entirely. And let us remember "The Beach" preview in front of "Phantom Menace" and how we all laughed at Leo's "Karate Kid" punching routine, a scene so unintentionally hilarious that it was pulled and replaced with "Fight Club" footage. Face the facts: the "Basketball Diaries" dream sequence with the shotgun and trenchcoat is the closest Leo's ever going to be mistaken for a bad ass, and that was just a dream... a horrible, horrible dream.
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Leo isn't Anakin?
Good!
I'm glad we're never gonna get the chance to see a million teenagers masturbating themselves with toy lightsabers. The thought of it is quite terrifying.
On a less off-putting note,
I pity all Godfather fans. I just hope that you can get over this and you'll find a way to like the
Godfather universe.
But give Leo a couple of years and he won't be a real teen heart throb anymore. Just look at the likes of Michael J. Fox, Kirk Cameron and Johnny Depp.
All previous "flavours of the month" and all came and went as quickly as their youth did.
BTW, whats all this rubbish I'm hearing about the Titanic alternate ending coming out on DVD and the return of Jack in Titanic II?? Surely, this is a hoax, right?
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"Flavor of the Month" is correct. But, after awhile everyone gets tired of the same flavor! Leo and the Miramax poster boys Ben Affleck and Billy Bob Thornton must have made a pact with the devil! I mean, jeeze, Thornton and Affleck are in almost every damn one of Miramax's films! And Leo this and Leo that! Leo will be a Jedi Knight, a Fireman, an Indian Chief...fucking Citizen Kane and the Wicked Witch of the West for crying out loud! Let's see some fresh talent! I guess that's why God invented independent films!
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FFC, just like Spielberg, is a once great director who has lost his artistic balls. Here is a man who complains that he HAD to make movies like JACK and THE RAINMAKER so that he could pay for his "real movies"...bull fucking shit!! Where are the real movies then Francis?
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Okay, to be honest, and I know I'm about the only one, The godfather trilogy doesn't do it for me. They are great films but no more than that. The star wars trilogy on the other hand is a big chunck of my life. Now about Leo...I think he is overrated (I guess I'm not the only one thinking that) and I would die if he stars in episode II and III. So I hope he can't do both and he chooses the godfather and leaves star wars alone. We can do without him, please George don't let him on!
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I heard this "news" on the Big Breakfast this morning here in London and shouted at the television for the first since I can't remember. As good an Actor as he may be, for me, Leonardo Dicaprio could never be Sonny Corleone. I was thinking exactly the same thing as Dunbar read I read his posting saying either Scott Caan or Freddie Prinze would make better candidates, at least they have both got the physical presence.
I would love to see Robert Deniro reprise the role of an older Vito, Sonny bringing home Tom Hagen, more on Al Neri and Frankie Pentangelli and the Clemenza, Tessio - and later Sonny Capo Regimes get established. I'm nowhere near as excited about seeing Vincent in the eighties or nineties but if Mario Puzo can write it, why not.
I'd be interested in who else might be considered for Michael, Tom and Fredo. Would Bruno Kirby come back as a young Peter Clemenza?
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Our family has been sending e-mail back and forth regarding this topic and my brother had a few funny thoughts. How about Ricki Martin as the young Johnny Fontaine and Canoe Reeves as young Freddo? Anyone have thoughts on a young Michael? Can we picture Jennifer Love Hewitt as young Connie? If they are going to sell out, they might as well go BIG !!
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Ok, I understand some of you. When I first heard of this Godfather 4, I was a little annoyed. But I, being a fan of all of the films, understand that the movies are about a family. Acctually a generation. That leaves room for sequels. Yes the thought of Leonardo DiCaprio in a Godfather film does seem like an unwise choice, but you never know... he might pull off a great performance. If this is to be made, it might turn out to be better than the original...
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Part 3 was an embaracement. Hamilton and Sofie were ludicrous. The Rain Maker was an absolute bore. Coppola no longer commands my attention. 6 strikes and he's out.
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A 4th film? Jesus christo.
Why? This is totally redundant. Sonny was a part of the first 2 films and was a supporting character only! Lets not dwell on him. We know he knocked up that bridesmaid and thereforth came Andy Garcia and Vincent.
Should concentrate on That character. How he deals with the mafia crumbling worldwide and the emergence of Russian mob.
But no, there should be no 4th film. WE saw Michael give up the throne. Then saw him die at the end, an old lonely man.
End of story.
If they do make a 4th, at least Sofia "Valley-Girl-turned-Sicilian-Princess "Coppolla won't be in it. Thank heaven.
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I think that Mark Whalburg would be a great young Sonny, smooth with explosive bursts of anger.
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ok, here is what my personal opinion is, for alot of people, including me, that are between the ages of 13-18, who watched star wars, the original 3, that were made for the most part before they were born, saw them, loved them, since they were there, people have talked about it all your life, then when you watch a new one, one that is made while you are on the earth, you watch it, and don't really like it because your not really used to it with the rest of the trilogy, it is so new, better picture quality, etc. it will be the same with Godfather IV, we are all used to watching the original trilogy, with a short time gap in between, on video, and then we watch it in the theatres, different picture quality, different actors, and we don't find it the same, but if we watched it a feew more times, with the original trilogy, then we learn to appreciate it. if you didn't really understand what i was saying, then e-mail me @ umaarm@yahoo.com
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