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Jonathan Winters in ROCKY & BULLWINKLE
Folks... Harry here, and ya know... this has got to just plain be one of the weirder films to be casted I've seen come along. 3 parts eh? That's kinda like Cheech in FROM DUSK TIL DAWN.... Will Winters get to talk about clefted peaches the way Cheech did? Ahhhh who cares... his all too brief scenes in THE SHADOW were so cool, it'd been nice to see them expanded a bit more. I wonder what he'll be doing in this film...
On June 17th in our area, A&E Biography did Jonathan Winters, the
master improv comedian and artist.
At the very end, the host mentioned that as a current project,
Jonathan Winters is playing not ONE, not TWO, BUT THREE parts
in the upcoming Rocky and Bullwinkle film.
This is a real two-fer! Even if the movie sucks, Winters will
at least be worth seeing.
Dust Bunny
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The posts regarding this movie have been encouraging, but (unfortunately) I fear that the movie could be awful. Too often, these types of movies start out with a grand concept, and then turn out to be horribly executed (for example: The Avengers). Does anyone remember the "Boris and Natasha" film that first came out about 10 years ago starring Dave Thomas as Boris and Sally Kellerman as Natasha? That was a poor movie.
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Rosie O'donnell eated toasted goat turds! The fat ho!
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......but who is Jonathan Winters?
Whats he done?
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a comedian that paved the way for the likes of Robin Williams and Jim Carrey as far as style of comedy. He is a genius of comedic storytelling and mastering different voices. As far as him being in the movie, we shall see. I can't imagine the movie being worse with him in it...considering the vocal talents that he possesses. Wait and see, I guess...
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I admit I had my hopes up for about an hour or two...that is until I heard "Whatsizname" Alexander (George Castanza) on Howard Stern and in a moment of honesty, when pressed by Howard to tell if this looks like it will be a good film, said, "I don't know. You do this stuff and you move on. It can't ALL be as good as "Seinfeld", y'know? I think I'VE seen enough of it already thru just watching the dailies!! Let's see what they can do with the "Roger Rabbit-like" effects. Maybe they can make it good in post production."
So, there you have it.
Don't get your hopes up, folks. -
...a pathetically inept, has-been.
In his prime MANY found him to be silly and embarrassingly hard to watch. While Robin Williams admits to worshipping the man, just think of Robin in those moments when he's bounding around a stage and you wish he would just STOP because he has lost the moment and should just stop already...Jonathan Winters perfected THAT type of comedy back in the early '60s.
Even as a small boy watching him on The Dean Martin or Flip Wilson Show, I would think, "This guy is a baffoon. But, maybe some people actually LIKE this type of SHIT."
If that's the case. You'll love this guy in the film.
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I think it must be some sort of law of Hollywood that they must come out with a certain quota of movies per year that nobody in their right mind wants to see. I can't speak for everyone else, but I always thought Rocky and Bulwinkle was a stupid show that I always passed on during Saturday morning cartoons as a kid.
But what I think makes me shake my head even more about this movie is the stars in it. Rene Russo is definitely not an "A" list actor, or a very good one at that, so I'm not surprised she's in it. Jason Alexander is sort of big, but is limited to goofy roles, so I guess it's no big surprise he's in it either. However, I am in disbelief that one of Hollywood's "A" list actors, Robert DeNiro, would appear in such a movie. I find it inconceivable to think that he didn't have any other worthwhile projects he could work on instead of this.
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It's only a movie. There are more important things to worry about than whether a movie's going to suck or not. Wait till the movie's out before you start bitching. I think the movie's going to be great. I have more faith in De Niro's judgement. He's producing and starring in it, so there must be something there that he found worthwhile. Besides, I read somewhere that Kevin Smith (CLERKS) thinks that it's one of the funniest scripts. Reviewing a movie before seeing it is stupid. Consider EPISODE ONE. Many of you predicted it was going to be great. Well, it sucked big time!
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I'm not terribly surprised by the negative reaction to a "Rocky & Bullwinkle" movie with Jonathan Winters in this forum. Considering how so many people on here seem to think Adam Sandler is the greatest and that Andy Kaufman (who had ONE funny bit, Latka on Taxi) is a god, I can see why they'd be down on Winters. They have no idea of what's funny. Give them humor with a concept or cleverness and they're lost and hate it. Give them a joke that entails bodily functions or crude language that requires very little thinking and they are in seventh heaven.
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First of all, whoever said Rocky and Bullwinkle was a bad show they passed over on Saturday morning probably has a brain the size of a peanut. Besides the Simpsons, Rocky and Bullwinkle is the funniest animated show ever, and if you found yourself never laughing, well then for you, yeah, this movie will suck. But for those of us who appreciate the wit of this great show, we will glue ourselves to seats on opening night and hopefully laugh our asses off. I'm not going to say the movie will be great before seeing it, but I do know that the show it comes from was great and I think it has a lot of potential. CaptMatt, if you think Andy Kaufman had one funny bit, well then I feel really sorry for you. You missed out on one of the greatest comedians who ever lived. Did you ever see the Mighty Mouse bit on SNL? I don't care how funny Jonathan Winters was, nobody can top that SNL performance. I chuckle everytime I think about it. And stop it with this inane whining about the dumbing down of America. If something makes you laugh, you laugh. Humor relies as much on intellect as it does on silliness, grossness, and slapstick. I don't care why I am laughing, just as long as I am laughing. And I know I am having a better time than you, cynically sitting around complaining about America's stupidity.
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AICN, a popular website created by movie guru, Harry Knowles was wrought with disaster today. Information volunteered by avid Talk Back user, Creator O Lunacy, caused not one bit of laughter. "Rosie O'Donnell eated toasted goat turds", claims the innovative Creator O Lunacy. "Crickets could be heard chirping through the uncomfortable silence caused by this inane attempt at humor" a fan reported. Other Talk Backers just sighed and clicked about their business. It was the largest simultaneous sigh of disgust in internet history. Harry Knowles could not be reached for comment.
Creator O Lunacy then went on to call Rosie O'Donnell a "fat ho". Ms. O'Donnell could not be reached for comment either. It is this reporter's opinion that Mr. O Lunacy should spend more time getting bent than utilizing the Talk Back feature to post his wry observations. -
...Mork & Mindy's baby on a show called "Mork & Mindy"? I have very strong doubts about this film. And I LOVE the original cartoon, I agree it is of the same caliber as Simpsons. And I also LOVE Andy Kaufman, although he is not my God. So you see, the world is not quite as black & white as some of us would like to believe. The mad fools...
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To say that J.Winters has been involved in "a few things" is like saying Santa's been involved in a few Christmas nights. I first found out about this MAN OF A THOUSAND VOICES at the tender age of 5 when my father played an album for me from the 50's called "Whistle Stopping with J. Winters". This man had THE stand-up delivery. If you're not familiar with his early work I have one thing to say: GET YOUR SORRY, UNFULFILLED LIFED ASS OUT THERE AND FIND IT. For those of you who have heard his stuff, who could forget his characters like old age home resident Maudey Fricket saying she'd like to buy a young boy with what little social security money they give her, or his Indian Chief telling how he became Chief; "I ran over my brother with a jeep". He allowed generations of people to laugh not only at themselves but at the strangeness of the world around them. This is where the modern stand-up came from and it shows in not only Robin Williams and Andy K but also across the racial devide to Richard Pryor, Eddie Murphy and many other great comics. His films/tv work is fantastic. From "It's a Mad, Mad, Mad World" to "The Russians are Coming! The Russians are Coming!" to Morks son on Mork & Mindy-this man has made everything he has ever been in a pleasure to watch. It's a breath of fresh air to hear that he will once again grace the silver screen with not 1 but 3(!) characters in this movie-I, like a couple of others who have responded to this talk back, recognize that R&B was one of the most subversivly adult cartoons ever made, and if you slept though it on saturday mornings you are less of a person for it. You can make amends in the following ways: 1. WATCH R&B-you may once again find the sense of humor you lost as a child now that you can understand the "adult" referances. 2. GO FIND J. WINTERS STUFF-you may think he's strange, you may think he's a buffoon, but you will never appriciate a true comic genius until you hear his Great White Hunter lisp; "Why good heavens! I thought we were shooting flamingos today!" Death and acne to the unbelievers!
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I never saw Jonathon Winters "bound" around the stage like a buffoon. He did a great stand-up routine and like Red Skelton was (and is) a master at verbal improv. When I saw him on the Tonight Show with Robin Williams and they had a verbal sparing match, Winters topped Williams every time, gainsaying the critics that Winters had lost his touch. Robin Williams is not everyones favorite (I enjoy him), and neither is Winters (I enjoy him too). When Winters has to stick to a script he is often at his worst, but give him some leeway and some of the cleverest wit and humor comes out. In several films that Winters was in the funniest moments were cut because they weren't in the script. Too bad, because the script writers seemed to have no idea what "funny" was. I can understand some one saying that Winters type of humor doesn't turn them on, but what I don't understand is the kind of nasty verbal attack that some of you engage in about people you don't know personally and in some cases have never even heard of. It seems too closely related to hate mongering for my taste, and I for one find it disgusting. And one final point, TV networks don't give one hour prime time shows to unpopular comics. Winters show was VERY popular for a couple of years, but tastes in comedy change. The variey show format went out of style and we ended up with more and more half hour sitcoms. I suppose that some of you think that Steve Martin putting a fake arrow on his head is the crowning achievement in comedy.
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I bet one of the character's he'll be playing is Captain Peachfuzz.
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to see winters and deniro together sounds irrestible...if done right. it's great to see the old-school 60's comics get big roles again. too bad dick shawn ain't around anymore...watch 'it's a mad, mad, mad, mad world' to witness winters steal most of the scenes he's in: 'but this is a girl's bike...this is a bike for little girls'....alas, 'rocky and bullwinkle' will most likely blow chunks...
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Vintage stuff!
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Good Job. That was actually very original and made me laugh. What a great work of originality! Congrats! You must have spend a very long time coming up with that, eh? Longer than say it would take to write that Rosie O'Donnell eats toasted goat turds? Probably -- But thanks for your time, bitch! (In a nice way)
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Rocky and who's playing Bullwinkle? I hope it's not another one of those awful CG-Jar Jar things.
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To say that Andy Kaufman was at his best on TAXI is like calling "1941" Spielberg's best movie. Andy Kaufman wasn't a comedian. He never told one joke in his entire career. He was a performance artist, and there's a big difference. Andy provoked people. The laughter (or jeering) came from the audience's reaction to him. Who else would invite his entire Carnegie Hall audience out for milk and cookies after the show? Who else would get in the ring with a professional wrestler? Kaufman was a genius. TAXI was nothing. It was Andy tied down to a script every week, giving him very little to do, other than his "Foreign Man" accent, which was funnier when he appeared on such shows as SNL, THE TONIGHT SHOW, and THE DATING GAME anyway. As for Jonathan Winters...I too caught that A&E Biography last week. I only knew him from his movie appearances (IT'S A MAD, MAD, MAD, MAD WORLD, etc.) but I knew he was a comedian before that. I just didn't know what KIND of comedian. The special really opened my eyes. One more thing: what's with all this Rosie bashing? Almost every Talk Back I go into there's some juvenille smartass remark about her. Now, I am not a Rosie fan by any stretch of the imagination (I can't even bear to watch her show), but come on. This kid whoever he is sounds like a third grader who has access to his mother's Internet password, and writes infantile things (tee-hee) about Rosie O'Donnell, who has nothing to do with any of these Talkbacks. Ah, I wish I could be as witty as Rosie-basher. But I can't think of any clever variations on "that fat bitch who smells like shit" and so on.
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So many comments, so little time:
Majitt: I went to personally email you and saw that your user name is "atticus" as in Gregory Peck? As in "To Kill A Mockingbird"? I suspect you are more that blonde, lonely kid based on Truman Capote in the book and played by an Alfalfa-type in the movie.**************
Cady! Dale Cooper! And beloved Squidman! --yous guys made me grin and laugh. Thank you for the sanity. Oh yeah, Mr O Lunacy:
REALLY GET BENT!****************
Jonathan Winters is NOT washed up.
He's brilliant. AND he's a wonderfully talented painter, besides. I look forward to the "Rocky & Bulwinkle" movie MORE than Episodes 2 & 3 but not as much as "Lord of the Rings" which I'm reading for the first time. Glory Be! ttfn oxoxoxoxoxo -
So many comments, so little time:
Majitt: I went to personally email you and saw that your user name is "atticus" as in Gregory Peck? As in "To Kill A Mockingbird"? I suspect you are more that blonde, lonely kid based on Truman Capote in the book and played by an Alfalfa-type in the movie.**************
Cady! Dale Cooper! And beloved Squidman! --yous guys made me grin and laugh. Thank you for the sanity. Oh yeah, Mr O Lunacy:
REALLY GET BENT!****************
Jonathan Winters is NOT washed up.
He's brilliant. AND he's a wonderfully talented painter, besides. I look forward to the "Rocky & Bulwinkle" movie MORE than Episodes 2 & 3 but not as much as "Lord of the Rings" which I'm reading for the first time. Glory Be! ttfn oxoxoxoxoxo -
This is wierder than Anna Paquin as Rogue and Leonardo Dicaprio as a young Sonny Corleone? I think not.
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Ever since I start reading the talkbacks I have gotten a creeping feeilng at the base of my spine. (by the way Squidman, that was some funny shit). Especially after checking the talkbacks on Tarzan, Elmo, etc...This film needs to be marketed as a kids movie. Because somewhere out there exists packs of rabid, foaming at the mouth defenders of anything with the "for kids" label on it. I guarantee this will find an audience (whether or not it'll be a crappy movie, although I liked the cartoon and hope it's not). So to the makers of this film: call it a KIDS MOVIE and I guarantee parents will come in droves to take their spawn to this quality "family" entertainment. The only way this film could be marketed better, was if Disney picked it up for distribution, then by gum, watch how those tickets would sell. (and don't you geeks say anymore bad about this film, it's not for you).
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or was I? Has the military industrial/masonic complex global conspiracy finally driven me over the edge???????MAddneesssss
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All right - I won't make the mistake of bashing the man's whole career, as I've only seen him in a handful of things. I've never seen his standup stuff, and I'm sure he may have been hilarious. One thing I will say though, is for a man famous for his improv. skills, there's a performance that should see him banished to the seventh level of hell.
If any of you have seen the animated film "The Thief (or, depending on country of release) Princess & the Cobbler, you'll see one of the absolute worst pieces of improv. ever put on film.
It not only sounds like Winters was drunk the whole time, but he commits the cardinal sin of animation: redundant dialogue. Every scene he's in he describes exactly what we can already see in Richard Williams' (Roger Rabbit animation supervisor, among others) virtuoso animation. The plot runs deeper, however. The character is supposed to be mute!!
Look, I don't blame Winters for taking the voice role that was offered him, but that performance is one of the greatest piles of shite on film.
I know I'm getting boring, but just to put all this in context, Winters' shoddy performance is just part of a sad, sad story.
The Thief and the Cobbler was ripped off by Disney's Alladin in the same way that The Lion King steals shamelessly from Tezuka's Kimba the White Lion. The film had been in production (to varying degrees) for about thirty years, was taken from its creator at the end, bastardised with inferior assembly-line animation and added songs, and released with no publicity. I saw the English/Australian version. What Miramax (oh the irony!), the U.S. distributor, did then was to completely recast (except for Vincent Price) the voices with more 'marketeable' names. Not only did this ensure dodgy lipsync, but added nothing to performances that were already in english (with U.S. actors)! And of course, the unforgiveable act of giving the Thief a voice he was never meant to have. Of course, they also re-edited it. Imagine my joy on finding the U.S. version on widescreen laserdisc, then my horror on seeing what it had become. Originally, it had been a wounded masterpiece, but this was just desecration.
I hope Jonathan Winters remembers this perormance with humility.
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First, to WLeach, Mr Pink, and half vader... your posts are too long; let's condense next time, ok? Second, I can't believe Jonathan Winters is still alive! Are they doing his part w/ CGI??
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