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Awwwww, Hell No! Will Smith rumored for CAPTAIN AMERICA!?!?

Hey folks, Harry here... Does anyone here want to see Will Smith play Captain America? I like Will Smith - but I hate stunt casting. Ugh. I just don't have the energy to address this rumor - but let's hope that is all that it is...

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  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:25 p.m. CST

    NONONONO

    by Larry Sellers

    I guess. I don't know.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Warwick Davis to play Cap's shield

    by just pillow talk

    It's all coming together nicely...

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:27 p.m. CST

    Awww Heel Knaaawwww!

    by BiggusDickus

    Let's face it - he'd be shit.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:28 p.m. CST

    WHat!?

    by Pogue Mahone

    Maybe the 'ORIGINAL' Captain America! But not Steve Rogers. Icons can't be tampered with like that and I do NOT mean in a racist way! The WWII Frozen then unfrozen Cap needs to be Steve Rogers!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:28 p.m. CST

    I heard Jon Heder was playing The Falcon

    by Cletus Van Damme

    ...this is BS.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:29 p.m. CST

    No. It's not true. It's impossible.

    by Heckles

    Cap was my favorite hero growing up. I have been waiting for this movie since, well, forever. Smith is a cool actor, I really dig his work, but give me a fuckin' break. I can't begin to express how disappointed I will be if this turns out to be true. I highly doubt it. But still.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Nathan Jones to play Bucky

    by just pillow talk

    Gonna need a bigger costume...

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Nicholas Cage as Red Skull

    by disfigurehead

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:30 p.m. CST

    How about Anne Hathaway for The Wasp?

    by BiggusDickus

    Grrr! The woman is filthy!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Definitely not!

    by GingerBallz

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Michael Clarke Duncan made sense, alright?

    by Larry Sellers

    He played Kingpin well. Even if Daredevil sucked, MCD was great. Jessica Alba as Invisible Girl? No. There are plenty of more experienced, more talented, white, blonde actresses in Hollywood. I'm not racist. I just think that in FF2 it was kind of insulting to see how they dyed her hair as light as possible, gave her the bluer eyes than any human being should have, and probably CGI'd her as caucasian. Will Smith is a great actor and I can see him as Capt. America. But he is so NOT my first choice and he certainly isn't the only talented man in Hollywood. Casting comic book characters shouldn't be based on ethnicity...but if you can cast someone who both resembles the character in question AND is a competent actor, why the fuck not get that guy?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Dave's Chappelle's blind KKK character as Red Skull

    by Cletus Van Damme

    Hilarous!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Cool

    by egg86

    Freaking comics purists. Stories retain their vitality through reinvention and retellings, not through maintaining the perfect integrity of their original incarnation. I think a black Captain America would be pretty cool - I'd love to see some exploration of racial themes, like how can a black man be so devoted to his country as Captain America is? But...all you comics geeks would revolt so it ain't happening.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Don't they fucking dare

    by biffy88

    Otherwise it might suck as much as Hancock. Wasn't brad pitt also rumoured at one point?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Sounds good to me...

    by Pdorwick

    Captain America is such a ridiculous character that anything done to shake the movie up even a little is more than welcome. Will Smith would be great in this role.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Animated Chris Rock to play Soldier Serum in blood

    by EriamJH

    And the Red Skull to be played by Shia LeBoef, Bucky played by Michael Cera, and Hitler played by Angelie Jolie. Madonna does soundtrack. NUTS HERE! GET YOUR MEDIA-WORN CLICHE NUTS HERE!!!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Why not?

    by Mezzanine

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:32 p.m. CST

    The right choice for Captain America...

    by Heckles

    Val Kilmer or Brad Pitt come to mind. You can't cast someone that doesn't fit the Steve Rogers mold. Yes, he has always been drawn as a white dude. Blond hair. Blue eyes. Cap is iconic, you can't change the character like that.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Are you people serious?

    by harosa

    C'mon, people, please get serious. Marvel wouldn't dare piss off core fans with casting like this and Smith wouldn't want to draw attention to him being cast in what is considered a white role. He admitted so after doing it with Wild,Wild West and after supposedly being offered Superman.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Harry, this was speculated back in May.

    by Shermdawg

    And if you think about it, it could work. <br><br> Smith's definately not my first choice, but I'm open to the idea. <br><br> Although I'd much rather see Dwayne Johnson casted as Superman if we were gonna get a iconic character getting a ethnic makeover.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Philip Seymour Hoffman as MODOK

    by Olsen Twins_Fan

    They wouldn't even need to CGI enlarge his head!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:33 p.m. CST

    this would be crap

    by broken ear

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:33 p.m. CST

    I mean really...

    by Mezzanine

    Is it because he's black? What is so "stunt casting" about this? The guy is a great actor, a guaranteed box office success, and could bring the depth to a relatively (at least in the modern years) forgotten about character.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Aaron Eckhart for Steve Rogers

    by BiggusDickus

    You know you want it...

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Yes, but Kingpin is a secondary character at best

    by Heckles

    This is Captain America we're talking about. Why not make Superman Chinese in the next movie?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Enough of the "I'm not racist but..." comments...

    by Pdorwick

    ...if you have to preface it that way then you probably are.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Heckles

    by Olsen Twins_Fan

    Have you SEEN Val Kilmer lately? He'd make a better Kingpin than Cap.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Ben Affleck as Shaft

    by dumbpeoplesuck

    Or stop frakking with race and gender in beloved fictional characters. Okay, so it worked with Boomer and Starbuck, but you get the drift. And if you don't, well, stick your head back in the mud. This doesn't concern you.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Whoa, you just fried that dude's bird!

    by GrandMuffTarkin

    Make that....X-Tra Crispy!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:35 p.m. CST

    A reworking of the origin involving the Tuskegee Airmen...

    by Shermdawg

    ...could be fantastic if handled correctly.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:35 p.m. CST

    My Bet:

    by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Gooder

    This rumor is a deliberate / harebrained distortion of a rumor that Smith is being considered for the Falcon, along with Aaron Eckhart's his-if-he-wants-it role as Cap himself.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:35 p.m. CST

    I would rather John fucking Travolta play Caps....

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    FUCK THIS!! AND FUCK ANYONE WHO SUPPORTS THIS!!! FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Hillary Swank as Superman!

    by PirateEmery

    Makes just as much sense...

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:35 p.m. CST

    I wouldn't mind.

    by rbatty024

    Of course, it would change the character somewhat. Captain America is someone who wakes up years later believing that the ideals he fought for in WWII have be abandoned. I think a black Captain American would probably understand that many of those ideals didn't exist in the 1940's either.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:35 p.m. CST

    maybe Black Vulcan.....

    by TRON

    Pure electricity.... in my pants

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:36 p.m. CST

    re: egg86

    by Larry Sellers

    I don't know if that was directed partially at me or not, but if you read my post you can tell that I'm absolutely not a purist. Also, filmmakers aren't going to drop a big name from the cast just because >1% of the population hates it. Will Smith is an interesting choice...but it's totally unnecessary. Aryan features aren't essential in casting Capt America to me, but why him? I'm just questioning the *possibility* of this. I mean this is just a rumor anyway. From fucking MTV.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:37 p.m. CST

    But Harry, Captain America is a white man.

    by NiceGuyEddie19

    And so is Nick Fury. Let's not get too revisionist.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Olsen Twins_Fan, actually I haven't

    by Heckles

    That sucks, always been a Kilmer fan. Guess he let himself go, eh? He is getting up there. And to be honest I don't see Pitt being able to bulk up. I would be down with casting a 'nobody'.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:37 p.m. CST

    JOHN CENA IN TALKS TO PLAY LUKE CAGE

    by NiceGuyEddie19

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:38 p.m. CST

    I'm not racist but...

    by Larry Sellers

    I'm not racist. I have a Will Smith mural on my wall.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Read the linked article

    by waggy

    Come on guys, this is complete and utter bullshit just like Cher as Catwoman. This rumor is originating from an MTV interview with Derek Luke who says he "heard they offered the part to Will Smith". Sites like AICN reporting this without telling you the flimsy origin are just going to add fuel to the fire. This isn't Fox or some studio embarrassed by the property who thinks they need a big name to draw people in. Marvel Studios has shown so far that they are committed to being true to the source material and pleasing the fans. I think they've earned some benefit of the doubt when crazy ass rumors like this surface.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:38 p.m. CST

    I WOULD BE SO ANGRY!!!!

    by Cory849

    ...if ya know, I gave two shits about Captain America. <br><br> (no I wouldnt. I still wouldn't give a shit) <br><br> ps. Jack Black as Green Lantern was a good idea. And yes. I'm serious.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:39 p.m. CST

    AARON ECKHART TO PLAY BLACK PANTHER

    by NiceGuyEddie19

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Please I hope it's a rumor

    by fight the new world order

    I like Will Smith i think in the right roles he is a very good actor but as Captain America not so much.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Gary Coleman is MODOK!

    by Cletus Van Damme

    Hahahahaha!!!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Coming soon: Adam Sandler as Black Lightning

    by Heckles

    You don't mess with the Lightning.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Isiah Bradley maybe. the black captain america

    by Cotsos

    Maybe he was offered the role of Isiah Bradley, from Kyle Baker's Truth mini series, where black soldiers were being treated like test subject in the 40's for the super soldier serum. In that case it would be pretty cool.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:40 p.m. CST

    In all seriousness

    by Cory849

    Captain America is Matthew McConnahoweveryouspellthis. He was born for the role.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Nic Cage to play Luke Cage

    by BiggusDickus

    In a cage.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Not only don't I want to see him as Cap

    by Beezbo

    I don't want to see him in anything. This news sounds like a joke on "Entourage."

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:41 p.m. CST

    A black man cannot play Captain America

    by hst666

    He was on the front lines and publicly known about in WWII. It may be sad, but there is no way the Military or it's propaganda machine would have made a star of a black man at that time. Maybe if they gave him a mask that hid all his features, or if the movie were a comedy like Blazing Saddles. But otherwise, please be real. <p><p> Will Smith could portray the "original" Captain America whose story was told in Truth as the successful black test subject.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:41 p.m. CST

    "Milky" from Me, Myself, and Irene as THE BLACK PANTHER!

    by Cletus Van Damme

    He's not sneaking up on a damn thing!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:41 p.m. CST

    50 Cent as Red Skull

    by Heckles

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:41 p.m. CST

    ANTHONY HOPKINS TO PLAY MARTIN LUTHER KING

    by NiceGuyEddie19

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:41 p.m. CST

    It can work storywise

    by jim

    US Army in 1940s would probably be more willing to use black soldiers as guinea pigs. And Cap, while being accepted as a symbol for America, would find that acceptance lacking for him, as a man, back home. Plus, how much more would it piss off the Red Skull to be bested by a black man?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:42 p.m. CST

    changing races?

    by Bouncy X

    yeah yeah yeah, they did it with Daredevil but it was still stupid. These are characters people know and see exactly what they look like, changing their races is beyond retarded. If it was simple some character in a book where ethnicity is never mentioned than ok but its a comic book and he's always been drawn as a white man so you cast a white man. they'd never do that to the big ones, why do it to him?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Warwick Davis

    by Abominable Snowcone

    as the vial of super-soldier serum, and he does his own stunts

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Warwick Davis to be cast as everyone

    by just pillow talk

    Do it off broadway. Warwick would be so cute and cuddly as the American hero Cap or the adorable dastardly Red Skull. His acting range is remarkable...much like a toaster.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:43 p.m. CST

    weird

    by DeadPanWalking

    This would change the whole nature of the character. Not that a black WWII soldier from the past wouldn't make an awesome hero and story, it just doesn't really jibe with the Captain America mythos.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:43 p.m. CST

    he-he-he

    by just pillow talk

    Abom knows what I'm talking about!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:43 p.m. CST

    And Jack Black as Bucky

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    I won't be seeing this movie

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:43 p.m. CST

    ...as Isaiah Bradley

    by Alex Wilder

    Read the "Truth" mini people, there was another Captain America (actually, don't read it, it wasn't that great. Just look it up). I'd be down for it if he played Isaiah, since he was the precursor to Steve Rogers. The problem with a Black Cap as the Captain America that was a hero of WW2 is that black soldiers weren't so celebrated back then. In "Truth" the Black Super Soldier experiments were kept under wraps. And NiceGuyEddie, let's not bring black Nick Fury into this. There is a black Fury in the Ultimate Universe, so it's not like that was just out of nowhere casting.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:44 p.m. CST

    I like Will Smith

    by Mr. Profit

    And I'm sure he can play Captain America as he always shows dedication physically with Action Roles. But I don't really want him as Captain America. Now if the alternative is someone stupid, or some gay overrated kid from a CW show or "Friday Night Lights", then I'd rather see Smith. But I think that a guy that can pull it off based on his physique and looks is Eddie Cibrian from Invasion.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Easy to do

    by Fred

    Army "experiments" with the drug on colored servicemen before using it on whites.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:44 p.m. CST

    The costume is what people recognize more IMO

    by Larry Sellers

    I seriously doubt anyone would care if Will Smith played him. How else would the general public give a shit? I guess I just answered the question I asked a while ago...

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Cory849- I hear you, but...

    by Heckles

    Can you see McConaughey delivering the dialogue? "All right, all right, all right. Super Soldier formula makes me feel tribal, man. Hey, Red Skull, you ought to ditch the Nazi's you're hanging with, go the American way. But that's all right, we'll worry about that later. You just gotta keep livin' man, L-I-V-I-N."

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Ohhhh...Fuck.This.

    by MetalMickey

    How about Tom Jane for Cap? Anyone? Brad Pitt would've been PERFECT..7 years ago. Anyone else for Brad Beyer from JERICHO? See here: http://tiny url.com/5hl6a6

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Might be in it but I doubt he's Steve Rogers

    by jccalhoun

    Will might be offered the part of Isaiah Bradly or Falcon but I don't see Marvel (they are in charge of the Cap movie like they were with Iron Man, right?) changing things like this.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:48 p.m. CST

    CAPTAIN AFRICAN-AMERICA?!?!

    by BringingSexyBack

    With Shia as Bucky!!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Jaleel White as Peter Parker

    by Larry Sellers

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Denzel in his heyday, possibly

    by terry1978

    I would have bought that more than Smith. Denzel seems to have that Capt. America attitude about him, especially the Ultimates version.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:48 p.m. CST

    doesnt make sense

    by BMacSmith

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Also...The Wachowski's should direct this.

    by Mr. Profit

    Make it a kick ass period flick with great action and have them only direct not write. Also Anne Hathaway for Wonder Woman. She already has 5 100 million + movies under her belt.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:49 p.m. CST

    monkeyofdoom

    by NiceGuyEddie19

    yeah, back in the 40's, I think black Americans were generally more hopeful and more optimistic than they are now. Ironic, isn't it? I don't think present day black culture is very proud of America.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Does this mean Super Brother Serum?

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Inquiring minds want to know!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Probably BS... but it could work

    by acamp

    Maybe work in some of the Red, White and Black storyline... he was (unwittingly) the first super-soldier... It sure would make the pic seem a lot less jingoistic. Maybe have two Caps - one Steve Rogers, the other Isaiah Bradly... and Rogers gets all the credit. Address the race issue. Something like that.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:50 p.m. CST

    The Good Burger guys as Batman & Robin!

    by Cletus Van Damme

    It's da Bat signizzle, yo!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:51 p.m. CST

    For the first time

    by maddox

    in my adult life, I am proud of Captain America.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:51 p.m. CST

    NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

    by wash

    No.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:52 p.m. CST

    BOYCOTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by Orionsangels

    Stop casting will smith in white roles. they ruined wild wild west that way. who the hell still likes will smith? at this point he's burt reynolds in 1984. washed up.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:53 p.m. CST

    I GOT YOUR SUPER SOLDIER SERUM RIGHT HERE, BIOTCH!

    by BringingSexyBack

    *Grabs cock n balls*

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Stunt Casting?

    by Lloytron

    Lets go the whole hog. Captain America should be played by Halle Berry. <p> In fact if they wanted to go for real Stunt Casting they should get Eddie Murphy. He could also play The Green Lantern, Braniac, Superman, Hulk, etc all in individual movies and have the mother of all cross over movies later on. <p> As shit as this sounds, it can't be any worse than Meet Dave

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:54 p.m. CST

    I think the only thing better...

    by Cletus Van Damme

    ...than addressing the race issue in a Captain America movie, is NOT addressing the race issue in a Captain America movie.<p>Seriously, is Spike Lee directing?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Will Smith is a PERFECT Captain America.

    by HoboCode

    You racist fucks just can't stand the idea a black man playing the character.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Didn't Smith play Captain America already?

    by Xiphos_2

    In I Am Iegend?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Captain African-America- Classic name

    by harosa

    Captain African-America- Classic name bringingsexyback.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Will Smith in White face?

    by eric haislar

    Just a thought?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:55 p.m. CST

    It Could Work

    by A-COD

    They can get DJ Jazzy Jeff as Buckey

  • They'd ring that shit from the rafters now.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:58 p.m. CST

    As long as the story still begins in WWII...

    by StarWarsRedux

    ...why couldn't Will Smith play Steve Rogers? Granted, his most recent performances don't really suggest he's interested in imbuing any role with the kind of gravitas that Cap requires, but go back and look at some of his less laugh-a-riffic roles, and you'll see that Smith is at the very least capable of playing a more subdued, restrained lead. If the Will Smith of "Six Degrees of Separation" is the Will Smith of "Captain America", it might be a bold, invigorating choice. If it's the Will Smith of "I, Robot", however, then yeah, we're screwed.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 2:58 p.m. CST

    It's not working

    by David Cloverfield

    In it's core, the character supposed to lead a happy all American life in the 40's, when he didn't see the dark side of American life, the only evil he saw was oversees: the war. This mindset just doesn't fit for a black man from the 40's. Except if they change the origin from WW2, which would fuck the whole thing up - I think Cap has the best origin ever, and I'm a European. And even if there wasn't a problem, Smith fucks up every movie he's in. he's a good actor but a huge sellout, and every adaptation he's in is distorted to suit his persona. I robot, I am legend, Wild Wild West even Men In Black.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3 p.m. CST

    Shut up, Pdorwick.

    by TheRealRatigan

    It's only because of politically correct dickhats like you that anyone has to make sure they say "I'm not racist" before voicing their opinion that maybe casting a 40 year old black dude as a 20 year old blonde-haired, blue-eyed World War II U.S.A. propoganda poster boy isn't the best way to do the character justice.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:02 p.m. CST

    The best of the best of the best, SIR!

    by Kevin Holsinger

    With honors.<BR><BR>Sorry, but I didn't see anybody else make Smith's "Men in Black" reference to Captain America.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Relax White Boys...could be playing Isiah Bradley

    by brycebishop

    This could be Marvel using a big star playing Isiah Bradley to set up Steve Rodgers as Cap. That way they can cast a lesser known actor who may be right for the part

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:03 p.m. CST

    HoboCode

    by MetalMickey

    I am black & a longtime Cap fan. I hate the Aryan, blonde, blue-eyed hero archetype. Cap has always been, in my mind, the singular exception to that rule. Will Smith portraying Cap would be like putting a mustache on Batman.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Why can't a black man be Cap?

    by Dreadlock Holmes

    Lemme guess? A black man can't be president? Oh wait...

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Only if they go with "Truth:Red White and Black"

    by irrelevntelefant

    otherwise, "Hells na!"

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:05 p.m. CST

    And here come the racists...

    by Dreadlock Holmes

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:05 p.m. CST

    meh to the meh

    by fartedinthefaceofhollywood

    well i was gonna miss this anyway, not a CA fan....now i can MISS THE SHIT OUT OF IT

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Wasn't the black character Isaiah Bradley Captain America before

    by Pdorwick

    ...oh, and TheRealRatigan: nice come back with the "shut up"; you sound like Bill O'Reilly, except even more pathetic.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:05 p.m. CST

    At least get Kimbo Slice!!!!!!

    by Turd Furgeson

    Now that fucker should be Blactain America! Red Skull would just hide in a corner and cry if he came looking for him.....

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:06 p.m. CST

    With all due respect to Will...

    by Hagakure

    ...Isn't he a little too old to be playing someone who was supposed to be a soldier on the front line of WWII? As I recall, Cap COULDN'T get into the army when he applied because of his health, which means that he had to be of drafting age. I am not too sure drafting age for the front lines would have included a man in his mid-forties.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:07 p.m. CST

    I originally thought "horrible idea" but it could work

    by Cotton McKnight

    All I want is for it to be played "straight". Think I, Robot and I am Legend, not Independence Day and Hancock.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:09 p.m. CST

    You know what

    by TomHooligan

    At first i was completely against the idea, but he more i think about it, it could actually work... wait, sorry, changed my mind again, shit idea. I just had a flash of the captain america suit on him and it just doesnt seem right for Cap to be black. It's like getting Vince Vaughn to play Shaft. Its just not cricket. Still a big Will Smith fan though.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:09 p.m. CST

    It would have a bit of a racist subtext though.

    by CatVutt

    Someone up there wrote "US Army in 1940s would probably be more willing to use black soldiers as guinea pigs". I think that's the real problem with casting Smith or any African American in the role. You're adding an element of racism to the equation that shouldn't be inherent in the character.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:09 p.m. CST

    ...HELL...NO.

    by Disgustipitated

    No fucking way, no fucking way, no fucking way, no fucking way, no fucking way, no fucking way...hell no, fuck no, shit no. If they do this, then FUCK MARVEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:09 p.m. CST

    i got an idea

    by fartedinthefaceofhollywood

    Javier Bardem for Captain America, just send him to a reversa-tan-salon and give him blue contacts....good to go

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:10 p.m. CST

    "The First Avenger" is the name of the movie, right?

    by JusticeSabre

    I think it's actually a good idea to take the "T:RWB" story and weave it into the Steve Rogers story. <br> <br> Today's US is much different compared to the US during the time of Cap's conception. I personally think it'd make for better storytelling to include the negatives of life in the US during that time period. <br> <br> If anything, it'd show that the US is <b>not</b> perfect, and that we have a long, long way to go to achieve that. <br> <br> Plus, Will Smith is fucking money in the bank on July 4th. Having a great Will Smith-starring "Captain America" flick on July 4th 2010 is a recipe for success.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Will Smith to play... with his balls

    by Darth Sticky

    FUCK THIS SHIT. I originally thought "bad idea" and I'm sticking with it. Fuck Will Smith.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Wild Wild West

    by Grinning White Skull

    'nuff said.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Who is going to play Captain Marvel?

    by Cotton McKnight

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Can we get a BUZZKILL on this?

    by TheRealRatigan

    And pre-experiment Steve Rogers should be played by somebody we've never seen before. The best way to play into his origin as a below average nobody who transforms into the perfect specimen. After his transformation, Captain America should be played by a different actor. And we need to face the fact that everyone's favorite stars for the role are just too old now, whether you're talking about Brad Pitt, Aaron Eckhart or even Matt Damon. An unknown with the talent to go with the look will carry this story in the most effective way.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Nick Fury

    by Disgustipitated

    I grew up with the original Nick Fury, the cigar chomping WWII vet. So, I was obviously thrown when they changed him, but you know I like Sam Jackson and I thought he was a perfect choice for Nick Fury. Will Smith...I like him...but I think that Cap would end up a joke.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:13 p.m. CST

    If done, it is purely a "drawing" card casting

    by Mr. Wayne

    Regardless of the word "racist" being thrown around and bantied about by some, objecting to Will Smith in this role (which I believe will never happen) does not make one a racist. It makes one, most likely, a purist. Captain America is white, has been for nearly 70 years. The characters history is that of a skinny white man becoming a champion for his country. Thats it. 99.9 percent of anyone who objects is objecting based on this idea. I can tell you this, if actually cast, he will most likely be playing Isiah Bradley, the black test subject that came before the white Steve Rogers. If he is actually cast as Capt. America it will be to draw as much attention to the film as possible, setting it up for what they believe will be big box office bank. They will be wrong, as backlash will sink the ship. In this day and age a stunt like this is really poorly thought out, again, if it is anywhere near true, and I don't believe for one second that it is. That would be like currently casting Brad Pitt for the role of Othello when you have dozens of more than qualified black actors to play the role. Or like casting Leonardo DiCaprio to play Anne Frank in a film. Its BS. Don't believe the hype.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:13 p.m. CST

    No Will

    by stlfilmwire

    No way.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:14 p.m. CST

    "It would have a bit of a racist subtext though."

    by JusticeSabre

    @ CatVutt: Um... There WAS racism back then, you know. Legal, even. <br> <br> You can't gloss over it or sugar coat it. And if anything, seeing a Black American step up and defend his country (The very country that oppresses HIM) against one that would not only oppress him, but exterminate him if possible? THAT is a story of TRUE PATRIOTISM. <br> <br> And THAT is the type of story you wanna have behind Captain America.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Reality Check

    by thot

    The sad reality is that, during WWII, black soldiers were organized into separate units due to the overt racist attitudes and ideas that permeated American culture in the 40's. That the top-secret super-soldier experiment would have been conducted on a black man would make no sense and would clash with what is known historically. Will Smith for Black Panther or maybe Green Lantern but not a chance for Captain America.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:15 p.m. CST

    I love the morons who yell "racism"...

    by IAmJack'sUserID

    ...at the people who think a black Cap is a dumb idea. Hypocrites.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:16 p.m. CST

    JusticeSabre

    by CatVutt

    I'm not saying it wouldn't make an interesting story. But it's NOT an element of the Captain America mythos. What you're describing is another character entirely.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Also, Will seems to go around all properties I like

    by David Cloverfield

    I robot, I am Legend and now Cap. How will they fit in enough advertisements in a WW2 epic to afford him? Will young Stever Rogers dream of converse shoes?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Who gives a shit?!?

    by ATARI

    As long as I get Watchmen next year.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:18 p.m. CST

    FUCK THIS SHIT.

    by Banzai Rootskibango

    Captain America = WHITE GUY! <P> What's next? <P> Blade 4 starring James McAvoy as Blade? <P> Superman reboot starring Kanye West as Superman?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Maybe he is going to be Isiah Bradley...

    by j_ky2002

    Or whatever the fuck they retconned the "first" Captain America to be.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Falcon maybe?

    by telecomplainer

    Unless they misquoted and he is actually Falcon i can see absolutely no way of this being true.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:18 p.m. CST

    ...ahem...

    by Specktron

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:19 p.m. CST

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    by Specktron

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Will Smith = A Pretty Awesome FALCON

    by Darth Sticky

    Give Him FALCON for crying out loud!! Don't fuck this up Marvel... Will Smith is NOT Cap!!!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:19 p.m. CST

    OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    by Specktron

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:19 p.m. CST

    OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    by Specktron

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:19 p.m. CST

    OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    by Specktron

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:20 p.m. CST

    OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    by Specktron

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:20 p.m. CST

    OOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

    by Specktron

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:20 p.m. CST

    That is all.

    by Specktron

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Smith did ok in "I Am Legend"...

    by j_ky2002

    He atleast showed he could do a seriously obsessed man in it. I can see some of that in Cap, but I just don't see Smith in it, unless he is Falcon or Bradley.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Isn't Eckhart the same age as Smith?

    by Mr. Profit

    So why would people suggest him and then say Smith is too old?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Maybe he's the first Cap...

    by fiester

    The one they tried the experiment on first before the white guy who eventually became Cap.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Nope

    by Brians Life

    That's all...just "nope".<br><br>Oh, and this is for the guy who said he wanted to see The Rock play SUPERMAN.....<br><br> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Fiester....

    by j_ky2002

    Isiah Bradley is who you are thnking of. I think.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:23 p.m. CST

    I'd Go w/Will Smith as Captain America!

    by Slippy

    "THAT'S RIGHT! Thats what you get! Look at you, ship all banged up! WHO'S THE MAN? HUH? WHO'S THE MAN? Wait until I get another plane! I am going to lower your friends RIGHT BESIDE YOU!" With dialog like that, how the hell would this movie not be the shit?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:24 p.m. CST

    NO! WRONG! STOP!

    by LaserPants

    If you're doing the black Captain America, fine, that was a great comic. But you're not. You're doing Steve Rogers. Steve Rogers is white. Cast Eckhart or Matt Damon. Thanks.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:24 p.m. CST

    The Rock needs to be available to play

    by jim

    Kraven the Hunter in Spider-man 4. And Clint Howard as Mindworm.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:24 p.m. CST

    It's just a matter of time....

    by Brians Life

    ...before some moron comes in and claims that merely discussing the possibility that Will Smith can't play the role is racist.<br><br>It's been said best above...Will Smith as Captain America is like Batman having a mustache.<br><br>It's certainly stunt casting due to the initial shock of the casting...DERP! <br><br>I can't even deal with you mouthbreathers today...

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Why is it "stunt casting"? Cause he's black?

    by RobotDevil007

    I mean, other than that he doesn't have the same skin color as the fictitious Steve Rogers... I can't think of a better actor for cap. Who cares if he's black... i mean, unless one believes there was some literary significance to Steve Rogers being drawn as an aryan poster boy... why isn't Will Smith dream casting for this?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Noooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by TheDudeinLA

    Stupidest thing I have ever heard!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:25 p.m. CST

    This could work...

    by stvnhthr

    As long as they get Robert Downey Jr.'s makeup guy from Tropic of Thunder and allow Will to play it in "white face."

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:25 p.m. CST

    Better than John Cena?

    by j_ky2002

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:25 p.m. CST

    I won't go to see this.

    by Hervoyel

    Will Smith is not "Steve Rogers" and never will be. For the record I had no problem with casting Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury and I had no problem with Michael Duncan Clark being cast as Kingpin. Both of those actors might have been a different race than the character in the comics but both of them also were able to completely convey the character they were playing. Will Smith is never going to be Steve Rogers in a million years. They might as well cast John Goodman as Black Panther. That's about how close Will Smith is to being Captain America.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:26 p.m. CST

    No,no,no,no,no,NO!!!!!

    by Drip

    OK...it has to be drastic to get me to post, and this is drastic. W.S. is alright but to fill Cap's shoes? WTF?!? Why do things have to be so F'ing PC?!? I am about diversity but sheesh, you do not mess with a classic. Why Will Smith? Why not Chow yung Phat?...c'mon

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Perfect example...

    by RobotDevil007

    @mrwhite - "...objecting to Will Smith in this role (which I believe will never happen) does not make one a racist. It makes one, most likely, a purist. Captain America is white, has been for nearly 70 years." But unless you explain why it's significant that he's white in comic books... then you are a racist as youre objecting to the actor because he's the wrong race.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:27 p.m. CST

    People really need to gt over this race shit...

    by Dreadlock Holmes

    If the spirit of the character is still intact, who gives a fuck what color the character is? Keep in mind, it's not the first time Will has played a character who was originally white? Jim West anyone?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:28 p.m. CST

    This rumor just got me tired

    by T 1000 xp professional

    worse than will smith as peter parker

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:29 p.m. CST

    the difference between the casting of Fury and Kingpin is

    by irrelevntelefant

    you don't have to completely re-write the history of the character in order to cast against the character in the comic books. <P> For Cap, you would not only have to re-write the comic book character, but also re-write American history (unless there was a civil rights movement in the 30's and the government covered it up)

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Hervoyel...

    by Dreadlock Holmes

    Comparing Will Smith to John Goodman is a lil extreme no?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Will Smiff as George Custer!!!

    by j_ky2002

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Marvel themselves made Nick Fury a black person in the comics! S

    by The Biomind

    There are more black people than white people in the u.s. military. Smith would be a great Captain America. And Marvel themselves made the Nick Fury an african-american for their ultimate line of comics. Why not change color of skin for a movie? Will Smith might be the only way to sell a movie entitled CAPTAIN AMERICA outside the U.S. anyway.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Will Smith??

    by One Nation Under Zod

    Isn't he that black rapper?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Matt Damon as Black Panther!!!

    by j_ky2002

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:30 p.m. CST

    So lemme get this straight.....

    by Brians Life

    If you object to an actor portraying a comic book role because they don't look ANYTHING like the character you've known and loved.....you're a racist?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:30 p.m. CST

    DJ Qualls as Luke Cage!!!

    by j_ky2002

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Tuskegee Airmen Experiments

    by Dreadlock Holmes

    The miniseries Truth showed us that the government would be more likely to test out the SS Serum on a black man than on their white soldiers So how would it be re-writing history?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:31 p.m. CST

    I thought that Jennifer Garner was a shitty choice...

    by Brians Life

    ...for Elektra. MOSTLY due to her look...is that still being racist?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:31 p.m. CST

    It just doesn't fit.

    by Luscious.868

    There was a lot of racism during WWII when Captain America was injected with the super soldier serum. A black Captain America won't fly if it takes place then. Now if they wanted to update the character and make this all occur in modern times then you could do a black Captain American but Will Smith wouldn't work. He'd be Will Smith like he is in every movie and not Captain America.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:32 p.m. CST

    SHORT ROUND AS CAPTAIN AMELICA!!!

    by BringingSexyBack

    Andy Lau as Bucky!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Jackie Chan as Captain America

    by Trachten

    Chris Tucker as the Falcon.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:33 p.m. CST

    RobotDevil007

    by David Cloverfield

    Captain America is WW2 propaganda came to life in modern times. He's a legend - more recruitment tool than hero. The face of world war 2. The dream of the nazis, fighting on the side of the angels, proving their cause wrong. If we say a black man could be all that in the 40's, if we say America would've welcomed Cap with open arms if he was black, you turn your back on the rampant racism in first part of the century. Even if they somehow shoehorn a black Steve Rogers into the story, then the character comes from a completely different place. Then he'll be a man who saw the dark side of the American dream, instead of a naive, idealist, looser white boy who got a chance to become a hero, and is later conflicted by the true nature of the country he serves. "Being black" would have to completely change his personality.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:33 p.m. CST

    I guess Clint Eastwood won't be directing...

    by Cagliostro

    ...if it's gonna be a period piece.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:33 p.m. CST

    DJ Qualls as Luke Cage!!!

    by j_ky2002

    Anything else is racist! Why shouldn't the toughest black man in the Marvel Universe not be played by the whitest boy on the silver screen today?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:33 p.m. CST

    SOURCE MATERIAL!

    by Banzai Rootskibango

    Stick to it, bitches!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:34 p.m. CST

    BLAKE LIVELY AS WONDER WOMAN!!!

    by BringingSexyBack

    I'm in lurrve with her ...

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:34 p.m. CST

    This would work just as well as...

    by Banzai Rootskibango

    ...casting a black guy to play the role of the white guy in Wild Wild West...oh, wait a minute...

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:34 p.m. CST

    Didn't Cap go through a perios where he

    by j_ky2002

    felt guilty about the fight for civil rights back in the 60's? Howdafuck is Smiff gonna be able to do that?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:34 p.m. CST

    Nope sorry that would be terrible

    by BLWiseass

    Marvel knows better, this is just a dumb rumor. I hope.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Molly Ringwald as Luke Cage!!!

    by j_ky2002

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:36 p.m. CST

    I guess there's not enough political discussion

    by Shut the Fuck up Donny

    going on in the OTHER talkbacks that Harry has to introduce this piece of speculative nonsense to make sure the ideological fires stay lit. <p> My god, it seems like National Review Online spends more time talking about Star Trek, Lost, etc. than this place does sometimes.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:37 p.m. CST

    i dont mind him being black....

    by Obscura

    ... i just dont want him to be will smith. Captain America isn't a sarcastic smart arse, he's a soldier.... hes a noble hero. he's one step down from Obi-wan.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Will Smiff as Miss Havisham!!!

    by j_ky2002

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:37 p.m. CST

    "Ben Affleck as Shaft"

    by bigbaldpapa

    ROFL. That makes about as much sense as Will Smith for Captain America doesn't it?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Race Issues = More interesting Plot

    by TSquared

    I'm a black man and a huge Marvel Comics fan and I love the idea of Wil Smith as the "Original" Isaiah Bradely Cap. It's in continuity and I was so proud of Marvel for doing the Truth storyline. Now if they want to mess with continuity and say that Isaiah was frozen for the Avengers movies what ever, the movies are the movies. Now I do think it would make an interesting concept to make a movie that says that the whole "White" Cap Mythos was an elaborate Propoganda scheme and the only Cap ever was always black. Either way the Race Issue that was highly prevelant in WWII makes the film step out of the 2 dimensional Comic realm and break onto a new interesting Dark Knight esque level.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:38 p.m. CST

    DJ

    by j_ky2002

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:39 p.m. CST

    QUALLS

    by j_ky2002

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:39 p.m. CST

    AS

    by j_ky2002

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:39 p.m. CST

    LUKE

    by j_ky2002

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:39 p.m. CST

    CAGE!!

    by j_ky2002

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Wait wait wait...

    by Harold-Sherbort

    ..black people read comics? nah. nah. just kiddin. As long as there's room for Stephen Colbert, I don't give a fuck who plays Captain America. America is made up of all different kinds of folks.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Im all for Aaron Eckhart

    by BrightEyes

    100 percent! but Will Smith wouldn't be the end of the world.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:40 p.m. CST

    black Cap = black Bond

    by The Dum Guy

    It doesn't fit.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Goddamnit, Yobo

    by j_ky2002

    Stay out of my way!!!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:41 p.m. CST

    This would be the worst decision that Marvel

    by porterdsgn

    could ever make. Don't hire someone just to fill the seats. Make sure he fits the character. Ala, Downey Jr.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:42 p.m. CST

    John McCain as Capt America...

    by Alonzo Mosely

    Sarah Palin as Bucky... It could work, and with any luck they will have very free schedules around filming time...

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:43 p.m. CST

    If Sam Jackson is Nick Fury ....

    by cowboyone

    Then why not? Will Smith ALWAYS delivers. Personally I always wanted to see Neal McDonough in the Cap role, but Brad Pitt would probably be GREAT. I don't think Matthew McConnaghey could pull it off (that southern drawl kills it for me) Eckhart could probably do it ... but he's a little FLAT.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:43 p.m. CST

    It's a great idea.

    by mr.brownstone

    That's my gut reaction.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Vin Diesel as Power man

    by Rufferto

    And Sigourney Weaver as Storm. You'd all like that, right? What's that? No? What are you? racist?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Hey changing the lead character's race worked for Wild Wild West

    by DrunkenBusboy

    Oh wait a minute..............On second thought stirke that! :( But think of the cool soundtrack Willie will make for the movie! Bottom line is don't mess with pop culture icons that people are willing to pay to see. That's why people make movies based on Icons that people hold dear to make money off that memory! So give the imagery that people want!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:44 p.m. CST

    "They offered him Captain America..."

    by j_ky2002

    and I nearly fell out of my fucking chair.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:44 p.m. CST

    stunt casting, like Sara Palin?

    by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet

    yeah, that is annoying.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Jet Li would be better

    by banditmania

    Ha!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Rufferto,

    by j_ky2002

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:45 p.m. CST

    GEORGIA REP. LYNN WESTMORELAND AS THE RED SKULL!!!

    by BringingSexyBack

    Perfect.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Rufferto,

    by j_ky2002

    Power Man is Luke Cage's alter ego, and we have already decided DJ Qualls will be playing him. So just stop now...

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:46 p.m. CST

    HOLY MISCAST BATMAN!

    by Yamato

    That is the stupidest thing I've heard. Don't they remember "Wild Wild West"?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:46 p.m. CST

    MATT DAMON AS THE BLACK PANTHER!!!!!

    by WX1

    <P>Yeah, how 'bout that? Matt Damon as T'Challa, how 'bout that? OHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! Doesn't f*&kin' SOUND TOO RIGHT, DOES IT?!!? Hold on, I got another one -- how 'bout Antonio Bandaras as Power Man (Luke Cage) -- OOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! Doesn't SOUND TOO RIGHT, DOES IT!!!????</P> <p>Keep the characters who they are, for Pete's sake!!!! I mean, if Richard Gere was to portray W.E.B. DuBois, THERE'D A PROBLEM, RIGHT????</P> <P>F*&k Smith in this role. What? He gotta be in EVERY movie?</p>

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:47 p.m. CST

    And a black Bond is bad how..?

    by Dreadlock Holmes

    Seriously people, get over yourselves.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:48 p.m. CST

    WX1,

    by j_ky2002

    AGAIN, DJ QUALLS IS LUKE CAGE!! STOP WITH ALL YOUR "STUNT CASTING" WITH BANDARAS IN THE ROLE!!!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Thank god people like TSquared aren't in charge of movies!

    by IAmJack'sUserID

    Then again, we get stupid ideas all the time so there may be people like him in those high seats. Well I'm just glad TSquared felt the need to let us know he'a a black man as that changes everything. Since this is a race issue, it somehow, inexplicably, makes his opinion much more valid!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Could Work...

    by AragornElfstone

    In a cheesy way. Isaiah is the first "Cap" but doesn't see the point in fighting after Steve gets the serum. He becomes sort of a recluse. Cap gets frozen, gets de-thawed, a worldwide threat comes around in two different places. Steve finds Isaiah and they team up to take down the threat. Cheezy, I know, but it would work for most of the movie-going crowd.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Smith is waay to old to play Cap

    by MasterShake

    Cap was a young recruit, maybe 20 at most. Smith is just too old. Not to mention that other thing.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Neal McDonough as Cap

    by cowboyone

    I'm tellin' you. He could pull it off!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:49 p.m. CST

    I'd rather see him cast as Andy Capp...

    by Ultron ver 2.0

    ...that lovable hard-drinkin', wife beatin' barfly. With orange stained fingers, of course. WELCOME TO EARF, GUV'NOR!!!!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Gives us TODAY a black Captain American!

    by Underdogthe3rd

    Denny Crane.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Rhianna as Wonder Woman!!!!

    by j_ky2002

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:50 p.m. CST

    And here everyone thought CRACK was outta favor...

    by conspiracy

    But sure enough SOMEONE is still sucking the glass dick when they floated THAT name out there for Capt. America.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:50 p.m. CST

    There is no racist subtext in the Captain America origin

    by Ye Not Guilty

    Casting a black person as Captain America would completely change the character. Will Smith could cameo as Isaiah Bradley, but that is all. Otherwise you have to completely change Cap's origin story. And while I am a bit tired of superhero films where the origin takes up most of the running time, I am sure at least some of Cap's origin will be told in the first film, even if only in flashbacks. In short, there is no way Cap can be black without completely changing the character.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:50 p.m. CST

    FIddy Cent as Jonah Hex!!!

    by j_ky2002

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Who'd be the RDJ equivalent for Cap?

    by MetalMickey

    Captain America is Robert Redford circa Jeremiah Johnson. That's the model Marvel should be going by.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Vigilance Mr Worf-

    by NormanFell

    I'd rather see Stan Lee play Steve Rogers. Let Will do "wacky" cameos.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:51 p.m. CST

    I always thought...

    by skiprat1

    ... Woody Harrelson, muscled up, haired up, cleaned up, would have made a good Cap. Would need to work on the voice a bit though, Woody's doesn't sound quite right somehow....

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Remake Cheech and Chong with

    by j_ky2002

    Liam Neeson and Billy Connolly!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:52 p.m. CST

    I'm not a Earist...

    by Alonzo Mosely

    But Captain America has small ears...

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Anyone trying to justify this is an asshole

    by slone13

    Would any of you have thought making Bruce Wayne an African American a good idea? I didn't think so. Why would you change the race of the character just for the fuck of it? It's assinine.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Will Smith could work if...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    ...he plays a Captain America 2. As in the original Cap from WWII died in battle, and the U.S. gov't revives the Super Soldier project using a black guy, Let's face it, Will Smith has become one of our biggest box office stars and nearly an American icon, nearly as American as Mickey Mouse and apple pie. He's also a proven serious dramatic actor. I could see it. Definitely. Remember, Steve Rogers, the white Captain America, is dead. He died in WWII, and was assasinated recently. Captain America is dead. We live in a new era now. A black man may be our next president. If Captain America is to be reborn, I vote that he be reborn as a black American, and who better than WIll SMith?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Leonardo DiCaprio as Blackula

    by themasterofnonsense

    "I'm not racist but:" Seriously, Will Smith is a piece of shit.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:55 p.m. CST

    “just shows you how times have changed.”

    by kafka07

    WTF this actor Derek Luke thinks that casting for Capt. America is a civil rights issue?? Ok so Nick Fury was white in the comics but Sam Jackson has the attitude for playing Fury, plus I think there is more flexibility with Fury because he's not as big a character as CA. Smith I am of sick of in action movies, even though he's a good dramatic actor. The race issue would make an interesting WW2 story but I'm really more interested in seeing the original material portrayed. Why don't we have a white guy play Shaft in another remake?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:55 p.m. CST

    At least he'll give the guy some personality

    by MattmanReturns

    which Captain America never had.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:56 p.m. CST

    olga kurylenko as captain america!

    by alice 13

    anna paquin as bucky. fuck this racist shit.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:56 p.m. CST

    OPRAH WINFREY AS SUPERGIRL!!!

    by BringingSexyBack

    Great talkback!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Rick Moranis as Will Smith as Captian America

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    Rick Moranis + anything = $$$

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:57 p.m. CST

    I dig it

    by CrazyGnome

    But weren't the WWII units segregated? So would the Winter Soldier also be black? I think it would be cool, and more people will watch the movie getting us that much closer to Avengers.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:58 p.m. CST

    90% of the population has no idea who Capt America is...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    The character is a blank slate, especially now that he's dead. What was most important about the character was the red,white, and blue, and his basic American ideals. <p> Only fanboys know who Capt. America is anyway. Hell, Iron Man is more generally known than Cap is. But everybody knows who Will SMith is. Want to put Cap in the spotlight, put Will Smith in the red, white, and blue...

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Whoever they cast, the age will be a problem

    by David Cloverfield

    according to his origin, he's gotta be in his early twenties - tops. (Since he has to be a young recruit, it's not as fluid as other hero ages). In that case some young guy with gravitas, like Jensen Ackles could work. but can you see someone like that order around Robert Downey Jr. in later films? In people's mind Cap is at least in hid 30's. How the fuck will they do this?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:58 p.m. CST

    RELAX !!!

    by medicinaluser

    They are just trying to deflect the Pharoh casting, thats all this is. Wont happen trust me.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Rhianna as Julie Andrews in The Sound of Music remake

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    This reeks of shit, unless he is a different Captian America.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 3:59 p.m. CST

    And like i said...Will Smith topic=

    by Dreadlock Holmes

    AICN Racists come out in force. Im done with this site. Latino Review for me!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4 p.m. CST

    if you cast will smith as cap

    by GavinVanDraven

    you dishonor what black people have fought for. it is like saying the civil rights movement never happened. in WW2 a black soldier was not the face of the U.S. military, he was an unsung hero. it would be like setting a period piece film in the 1800's Georgia and showing no racism at all. it is pretending it didnt happen that would be racist.... it is not racist to say a black man cant be Cap.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:01 p.m. CST

    What about that guy from Sons of Anarchy?

    by ChittyChittyGangBang

    The main character is young enough.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Steve Zahn for Blade! Woody Harrelson as Shaft!

    by IAmJack'sUserID

    Paul Giamatti for George Jefferson!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:01 p.m. CST

    if there was no WW2 backstory

    by GavinVanDraven

    then yes, will could be cap. but otherwise, there is no argument to be made

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:03 p.m. CST

    Captain America as a Barack Obama metaphor...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    That's how I see it. In the Marvel Universe, Captain America is bigger than life. If Marvel wants Cap to be bigger than life in the movies, than he should be played by a bigger than life star. Will Smith fits the bill.<p> Barack Obama. Will Smith. Captain America. I'm liking the idea more and more...

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:03 p.m. CST

    Josh Hartnett as Cap.

    by MasterShake

    He's the most obvious choice.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:04 p.m. CST

    There's Nothing Racist About Hating this D-Bag

    by MasterBateman

    Will Smith is an annoying piece of shit. You Fresh Prince apologists need to face the music and realize that he's a movie star not an actor. He's not in this for the art, he's in it for the paycheck and the clout to be able to play "hide the salami" with butt buddies like Tom Cruise and David Beckham. I hope to god this loser isn't Captain America. Frankly, I'm not too worried because this smells like bullshit to me. So Derek Luke heard this and nobody else? Frankly, I doubt that Jon Favreau, RDJ, or anyone else involved with the Marvel movies would go for this kind of horseshit. Seriously, this was the most vile thing I've heard all day.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Dreadlock Holmes yelling racism!

    by IAmJack'sUserID

    What. A. Surprise!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Michael C Hall as Cap

    by GavinVanDraven

    dye his hair blond, blue contacts. he is an extraordinary actor, has a great build, can play multiple roles at the same time. he goes from downright creepy at times to loveable, to funny to heroic... he probably has the best range of any actor on television. this would be a breakout role for him.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:05 p.m. CST

    are you guys all stupid?

    by v1cious

    the original Captain America was black.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Here's an idea, let's make Cap. America, WHITE!

    by Banzai Rootskibango

    Which is the opposite of BLACK! <P> JUST LIKE IN THE COMIC BOOKS!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:06 p.m. CST

    If any of you actually bothered to read the article...

    by bibble 3000

    you'd see that it was 3rd party (at least) heresay, and that Derek Luke was saying Will Smith was offered 'Captain America' refererring to the movie, most likely as The Falcon

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:06 p.m. CST

    AL SHARPTON AS HAWKGIRL!!!

    by BringingSexyBack

    Bawk!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:07 p.m. CST

    no WWE guys either

    by GavinVanDraven

    Cap shouldnt be a meathead. thats Thor. Mike O' Hearn from American Gladiators has the look for thor.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:07 p.m. CST

    I AM JACK being a bag of douche!

    by Dreadlock Holmes

    Shocker!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:07 p.m. CST

    JUST LET CRACKERS BLOW SOME STEAM ...

    by BringingSexyBack

    This'll be over by Thursday.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:07 p.m. CST

    And if you think this is racist...

    by MasterBateman

    Go fuck yourself. We're talking about Will "hell nawwww" Smith here. It's not like Don Cheadle is rumored to step into the roles. But while we're on the topic of who should be Captain America... Josh Brolin anyone? I can see him playing off RDJ and Ed Norton very well.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Will Smith has Hancock doesn't he?

    by Banzai Rootskibango

    Why is he sticking his nose into this? <P> Let him go cock himself with Hancock 2. Electric Boogaloo.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:09 p.m. CST

    John McCain As CAPTAIN ALSO-RAN

    by LaserPants

    Sarah Palin as CYNICAL PLOY TO GET HILLARY VOTES THAT FAILED.<br><br> Barack Obama as CAPTAIN PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.<br><br> Any Neocon Still Alive as WORM FOOD.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Personally i just like watching the outrage

    by Dreadlock Holmes

    From a bucha fanboys who are having their whole world come apart around them.It's hilarious!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:10 p.m. CST

    REVEREND JEREMIAH WRIGHT AS CAPTAIN AMERIKKKA!!!

    by BringingSexyBack

    I'm Liberal. Just playing here. Don't hit me.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:10 p.m. CST

    I thought you were running off crying to LR, Shitlock?

    by IAmJack'sUserID

    Nevermind the fact that we're pissed because they are changing the race of an established character. You do realize if they did the same thing to Blade or Shaft there would be the EXACT same quantity and type of ire? I guess race-whining morons like yourself sit and just wait to call white people racist. Moron.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Latino Review for AICN!!!

    by j_ky2002

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Bow Wow <<IS>> Capt. America!!

    by vic twenty

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Vern Troyer as GALACTUS!!!

    by iamrafsusername

    Devourer of dust bunnies!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:13 p.m. CST

    i played poker with derek luke at hollywood park casino

    by bright boy

    and i knocked the dude out of the tournament in like 5 minutes. later, i saw him in the parking lot offering blow jobs for acting jobs. (true story except for seeing him the parking lot). he was with some big white dudes who looked like loan sharks. this dude is obviously trying to create publicity for a dead career to feed a terrible gambling addiction.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:13 p.m. CST

    RETARD ALERT!!

    by V'Shael

    Boy this site gets dumber every day.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:13 p.m. CST

    If you want to keep Capt America like the comics...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    ...then there can't be a Captain America movie because Steve Rogers is DEAD! Falcon, yeah, right. Cap's flying Uncle Tom would go real well with modern 21st century audiences. Maybe Falcon could hold Cap's shield when he takes a dump?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Will Arnett as Caps' talking shield.

    by Loosejerk

    K-caw! K-caw!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:14 p.m. CST

    "Tuskegee AIRMEN Experiment"?

    by DennisMM

    You're cross-pollinating there, chum. The Tuskegee airmen were an experiment, but a political experiment to place black men in combat situations. Before the airmen, blacks in the Air Corps flew in support positions only, just as blacks in the Army almost all worked in supply, transport and other noncombat situations. The Tuskegee EXPERIMENT involved withholding treatment from black men suffering from syphilis in order for doctors to study the progression of the disease. The story told in the "Truth: Red, White and Black" miniseries had a little in common with the Tuskegee Experiment but nothing in common with the Tuskegee Airmen. The relative success of the Airmen led to President Truman's integration of the US armed forces. <p> <p> That out of the way, I believe Smith or any non-caucasian actor is a poor choice because it throws away what little history remains in the Captain America story. Cap is a white man because only a white man would have been considered as the symbol of America. The idea of throwing race into Hitler's face wouldn't have occurred to the scientists, government types and military brass in 1940. For one thing, most of them would have considered blacks inferior - up to and including President Roosevelt. It's simply lacking in logic. If Cap is black, Hitler could be Polynesian - the son of an Austrian preacher who moved to the islands and fell in love with a native girl! Yeah! Max von Sydow as Hitler's dad and some youngish type as mom! (There's a joke there if you know your films. Not much of a joke, but a joke.) <p> <p> If Captain America is black, the Joker may as well wear makeup. Yeah, I thought that was a disaster, too, no matter how good Ledger was.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:14 p.m. CST

    The Age Issue..

    by MetalMickey

    ..can easily be circumvented by saying that while the super soldier formula was what kept his body alive, he still aged a bit over 70 years. He starts out in 44 as a 20 year old GI & wakes up looking 35-40. We're not talking about "magic arctic ice" here.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Is it too late to suggest facetiously that Adam Sandler

    by kabong

    uh uh uh . . .

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Chiminweh Ejioforah as THOR!!!!

    by vic twenty

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:15 p.m. CST

    No way that could work!!!

    by Philvis

    His ears wouldn't fit into the cowl!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:16 p.m. CST

    Ving Rhames as the WASP!!

    by vic twenty

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Lindsay Lohan as GIANT MAN!!

    by vic twenty

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:18 p.m. CST

    REVEREND JERMIAH WRIGHT AS CAPTAIN GODDAMN AMERICA!!!

    by BringingSexyBack

    That's a good thing! Means he's badass.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Hugh Jackman as Wolverine!!!

    by j_ky2002

    Oh...wait...

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:20 p.m. CST

    It's funny because...

    by j_ky2002

    Jackman is a full foot taller than Wolverine in the comics...

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:20 p.m. CST

    MetalMickey

    by David Cloverfield

    Better yet, he's not only aging a few years in the ice... but TURNS BLACK as a side effect! I really hope he does a soundtrack. "The Red, The White and The Big Wille" will fly off the shelves.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:21 p.m. CST

    I Am Jack. I'm done arguing with you.

    by Dreadlock Holmes

    If i was even an argument. This is me getting up from my laptop and going out to enjoy my life. You should try it some time! Peace!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:21 p.m. CST

    And Jackman is Australian

    by j_ky2002

    Whereas Wolverine is like from Venezuala or sumpin...

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:21 p.m. CST

    DO THE CAP!

    by David Cloverfield

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:22 p.m. CST

    According to John Edwards,

    by vic twenty

    There are 2 Americas. <p> Why not 2 Captain Americas? <p> Cap N Cap, Back to Back!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Enough with changing characters' races!

    by mrplowking

    Jesus christ, I'm not racist but can Hollywood stop changing characetr races just so they can cast a "name" in the role?!? Sorry, but Captain America has ALWAYS BEEN white! Do you realize the shitstorm and uproar that would have been laid down by the black community if Damon or Affleck were being rumored to play Shaft or Malcolm X?? Spike Lee would have had a stroke on-camera just from his own bullshit piousness. Hey, here's an idea: fucking Thomas Jane as Cap.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:23 p.m. CST

    He turns black from

    by j_ky2002

    da fros' bite! Awesome!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:23 p.m. CST

    You think whites are racist for hating this casting.

    by IAmJack'sUserID

    You're right, it isn't an argument; it's you being a race-baiting, paranoid buffoon. And you know you would be here shouting to the top of your lungs if they changed the race of Black Panther or Rerun.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:23 p.m. CST

    It could happen

    by Jodet

    How can Anti-America make a 'Captain America' movie? And then sell it overseas? Easy, put a black man in the title role.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:24 p.m. CST

    bryan singer's cum dumpster as superman

    by bright boy

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:24 p.m. CST

    That's the worst thing I've ever heard

    by CherryValance

    and I watch the news all the time. I supposed it could be worse. He could be up for Wonder Woman.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Rush Limbaugh As An Obese Racist Drug Addict Neocon Imbecile

    by LaserPants

    It was the role he was born to play!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Drunk?

    by Embeedeuce

    So, Cap'n America is going to be a drunk superhero?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:25 p.m. CST

    As long as he has a gay robot dog, I'm there.

    by vic twenty

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:25 p.m. CST

    as Isiah Bradley

    by mudkip5000

    Isiah Bradley, im totally for it. It'd work. Now for Red Skull....Udo Kier!!!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Captain Scientology

    by Embeedeuce

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:26 p.m. CST

    "Not that I'm a racist...!"

    by DoctorWho?

    I think it's interesting how some have to preface their distaste with a certain casting choice with a similar remark. I like Obama too but somehow not wanting him to neccesarily be president puts me in a 'possible racist' category with some of my black brothers and sisters. AAWWWW HHHEEELLLL NAAAWWWWW

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:27 p.m. CST

    Yo, Churchill, why can't you look this good

    by David Cloverfield

    while busting nazi ass?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:27 p.m. CST

    My Cock In Jessica Alba's Mouth!

    by LaserPants

    It was the role my cock was born to play! Ramming in and out of Alba's warm wet mouth!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:27 p.m. CST

    JON HAMM

    by KirkLazarus

    Mad Men's Jon Hamm as Cap. Boom.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:27 p.m. CST

    troy mcclure in the planet of the apes the musical

    by bright boy

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:28 p.m. CST

    What does racism have to do with casting against type?

    by vic twenty

    This is an iconic American character and should not be fucked with. If you don't want Captain America as he should be, MAKE A DIFFERENT FUCKING MOVIE.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Oh, Now LOOK!

    by Rogue Planet

    I like Will Smith, I really do, and he's really good when cast in the most unlikely of roles, but when you're talking about casting him as Captain America, who has been a white guy for his ENTIRE history...well...there's nothing TO call that but stunt casting. I mean, it was okay when he did Jim West in 'Wild, Wild West,' because that series died decades earlier and nobody really expected new actors to pull off the same sort of chemistry and style as the 1960s series, but Captain America is still an active member of the Marvel universe. I think this is a dumb rumor and has no basis in fact. I doubt Will Smith would go for it anyway. Although, I'm in the minority in thinking that "Hancock" wasn't actually all that bad, so maybe it's just a matter of taste. Smith can pull off doing a superhero movie, but I don't think that hero is Captain America. Sorry, Will.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:29 p.m. CST

    LMMFAO!!!!

    by ugh

    With the exception of the usual couple of ignorant racists that post on AICN, this, IMHO had to be the funniest post since we were coming up with new "Rambo 5" titles! And if don't know what I'm talking about, take a look at this link: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/35972

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Rogue Planet

    by vic twenty

    It made no sense for him to be Jim West either, and see how well that mess turned out.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:30 p.m. CST

    IAmJack, your reverse racism psychology...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    ...sounds a lot like the same argument I hear from spinsters like Rush Limbaugh or Bill O'Reilly. You wouldn't be a conservative evangelical would you? Sure folks might be up in arms over making Black Panther a white guy because he's one of like only three other black superheroes who matter...

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:31 p.m. CST

    that's almost as crazy as a black Nick Fury!

    by Rupee88

    Seriously Captain America is a goofy character to begin with...Will Smith would do fine if there was a good script. But this just sounds like a dumb internet rumor anyhow.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:31 p.m. CST

    by j_ky2002

    This is a "Lets make a bankroll movie" decision rather than a "Let's make a good Marvel movie" decision. But what gets me is a GOOD Marvel movie will make bank, no matter what...

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:32 p.m. CST

    and not as dumb as Michael Keaton as Batman

    by Rupee88

    most of you retards loved that (which sucked) so shut your mouths.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Remember that ep of Reno 911 where the black sheriff...

    by Julius Dithers

    busts the Klansmen for lighting a cross in someone's yard and they defend their action by saying "No, officer. This isn't a cross. It's a T...for tolerance!" Then the klansman tries to hug the sheriff? Yeah, it was funny and we all learned a valuable lesson. So this Will Smith movie will be a satire, then. Yes, like Hancock but with its heart in the right place.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Everybody here is right.

    by MetalMickey

    A black Captain America could work, but not as Steve Rogers. Consider Sam Jackson as Nick Fury: why does this work? Because Cap & (to a lesser extent) Nick Fury are cross-generational mantles to be passed on. Both are 20th century icons rooted firmly in real world history & are thus finite as we crawl into the 21st century.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Rogue Planet, Capt America is no longer active...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    ...in the Marvel Universe because he is dead. He was assassinated.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Chishu_ryu...

    by j_ky2002

    You could not be more wrong. Bucky Barnes has taken up the mantle of "Captain America". Steve Rogers is who is dead.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Ernest Borgnine cameos as Isadora Duncan

    by Spacesheik

    'nuff said.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:35 p.m. CST

    reno 911 stole that from south park

    by bright boy

    Kobe: t-t-t-time to go?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:35 p.m. CST

    And actually

    by j_ky2002

    There are two Captain Americas running around right now. Bucky, and the "imposter" he is trying to capture. So Captain America being dead= twice as many Captain Americas being active. ASS.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:36 p.m. CST

    i hope trey and matt make token captain america in an episode th

    by bright boy

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:37 p.m. CST

    ~~~~~~this talkback is full of jerks~~~~~~

    by The Marquis de Side 3

    seriously, what's wrong with casting it as a black guy? or Latino guy for that matter? <br> <br> what I would DEFINITELY be against is if they dye Will Smith's hair blonde... that just wouldn't be right...

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:37 p.m. CST

    Alexander Skarsgård IS Captain America

    by therobcat

    Watch Generation Kill. James Ransome should play Bucky.Smith is charismatic and can even make a shit film watchable, but he is NOT Captain America. Unless they mean he's the first Captain America from the Truth mini-series. But, no way should he be Steve Rogers. He can be Black Panther, though. That would be kinda sweet.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Marquis,

    by j_ky2002

    Just think of it like this... DJ Qualls for Luke Cage. Got it? It's not racism, it's common sense.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:38 p.m. CST

    David Cloverfield

    by MetalMickey

    haha, I believe the correct term is "Congelatio-Negropolation". I second Jon Hamm.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:39 p.m. CST

    by Alec.Eiffel

    the biggest problem I see is that it's important for this movie not to be "MOTHERFUCKING WILL SMITH IS captain america". He has a tendency to overshadow the movies he's in with his overwhelming personality, which is cool. I'll admit to really enjoying I, Robot because it was 'will smith fighting robots'. Captain America how ever is part of a series of movies and it would really fuck up the Avengers movie if it was starring Tony Stark, Bruce Banner, Nick Fury and MOTHERFUCKING WILL SMITH. Y'know?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:39 p.m. CST

    this

    by nilskidoo

    better be bullshit. the older brad pitt gets...

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:40 p.m. CST

    MetalMickey...

    by iamrafsusername

    Nick Fury wasn't some dude frozen back in WW2 though. Sam Jackson works as Fury because we've been eased into it by the comics. There's no way that would even ever be considered at all in the comics.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:41 p.m. CST

    j_ky2002

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Okay, so you're a bigger comic book nerd than I am. I feel no shame in that, actually.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:41 p.m. CST

    We should also give him Werewolf Abilities and Laser Eyes

    by turketron

    Go for broke! Make Captain America a female too! With cybernetic enhancements that are active only in non-werewolf mode. And let her fly around on the shield, like the silver surfer!!! MEGA AWESOME

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:42 p.m. CST

    Ransone not Ransome. oops.

    by therobcat

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:42 p.m. CST

    The problem is they would write to Smith

    by j_ky2002

    and not to the story. It would be Smiff running around in a Cap costume saying Smiff stuff, not saying Cap stuff.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:43 p.m. CST

    therobcat... fuck yes.

    by iamrafsusername

    James Ransome would make a hell of a sidekick.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Chishu_Ryu,

    by j_ky2002

    No, I am just a better prepared internet troll. DJ Qualls for Luke Cage!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:43 p.m. CST

    here in LouEVIL...

    by nilskidoo

    nearby we have the Patton museum, which includes an exhibit on actual racism stateside during WW2 years. There were NO major officers of colour. Hollywood keeps breaking out the realism word, and completely miss semantics in doing so.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Token time!

    by alienindisguise

    This is just one of the worst ideas ever. It's enough that Nick Fury was made black and whenever we get a Green Lantern flick comes out, it'll be the black version, I'm sure. I have nothing against against black superheroes or Will Smith for that matter but I prefer them to be the way they were originally.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:44 p.m. CST

    turketron

    by bright boy

    he should also be able to transform into a flying motorbike that some wise-cracking asian kid sidekick rides around o

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Awwwww, Hell No!

    by Vicconius

    X

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Fuck it. Hire BRAD PITT.

    by MetalMickey

    He looks great in BURN AFTER READING & is only 2 years older than Robert Downey Jr. End of discussion.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Somebody in an AICN talkbalk called someone else a nerd...

    by iamrafsusername

    Fucking priceless. You're twenty three times nerdier than the majority of the population just for being here Chishu_Ryu. We're all nerds here. Some are just more informed. The rest are just wananbes.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:47 p.m. CST

    As much as I'm in favor of The Black Man

    by Amadeo Zeller

    sticking it to you whiteboys and your insufferable superiority complex havin' azzes, my inner comicbook geek prevents me from signin' off on this...Instead, let Will Smith's Overbrook Production Company produce it and reap over 75% of the profits, use said profits to do a remake of Three The Hardway, where some underground black nationalist poison the water supply that only kills white men. J/K.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Chishu_Ryu

    by Paul Bucciarelli

    Limbaugh and O'Reilly while being total cocksuckers are not spinsters. Go look the word up. While your at it, try finding the source of the statistic that stated that 90% of the population does not know who Captain America is.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Will Smith is NOT Capt. America, but Gary Coleman would be perfe

    by crazybubba

    Think of it an all black Marvel Universe to go with Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury. Mr. T as the Human Torch, Method Man as Prof. Xavier, Michael Jackson as Wolverine.Nah nah nah nah nah nah Its the M.I.B. ya'll.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:47 p.m. CST

    MetalMickey...

    by j_ky2002

    Pitt can't play Rogers. Pitt will never be able to gain muscle mass again because of the massive amount of protien loss he goes through everyday having Jolie in the house...

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Fail

    by DrTobiasFunke

    That's what this would mean to the fans. Seriously. Why spend $20+ million on him when you can get a comparable (better?) actor for less than half of that?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:49 p.m. CST

    shia lebouf as captain america

    by bright boy

    pro-obama hollywood would write the will smith cap america as a remake of 'the spook who sat by the door'

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:49 p.m. CST

    NEEEEEEEVVVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEERRRRRRR!!!!!!! >:O

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER!<p>Stop DESTROYING classic superheroes with this incessant IDIOTIC POLITICALLY CORRECT CASTING!!! GAHHHH!!!! >:O<p>Not only is Captain America well-known to the general public as being White, but this is supposed to be a PERIOD PIECE set in WWII! There's NO WAY — despite Marvel retcons whitewashing history — the U.S. Government in 1941 would've chosen a sickly Black man to be the lucky recipient of a Super-Soldier formula that would make him their heroic military figurehead to fight the Nazis! Black men had to fight just to be able to battle in the same brigades as their White counterparts, and now we're supposed to believe a Black man was picked to be this nation's HERO in the 1940s???<p>Complete B.S.!!!<p>This is the SAME sort of crap that was pulled when they cast Will Smith as James West in Wild, Wild West! A big reason why that film flopped was because it was preposterous to believe that a Black man would be chosen as the premiere "secret agent" of the U.S. in the 1870s. It simply would not happen.<p>Hollywood simply refuses to GET IT... STOP trying to shoehorn 21st century mores into period films and SCREWING UP comic book history! Captain America WASN'T Black and would have never have been given the formula if Steve Rogers WAS Black. That may not be nice, but it's a FACT and trying to shove a 39-year old Black actor into a role made for a 20-something White guy is simply a recipe for losing A LOT of money, the respect of your audiences and the potential profits from the Avengers film that supposedly going to wrap up the entire Marvel "crossover experiment."<p>Take the damn pistol AWAY from your temple, Marvel and just hire a DAMN WHITE GUY!!!! >:O<p>DAMN, they're STUPID!!!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:49 p.m. CST

    a black capt would be cool, but...

    by teddanson37

    think about what capt is. he's that good ol' boy that's forever stuck in 1942 completely filled with supposedly classic american values. if you put a black guy from the 1940's in that suit, he's going to be the black guy that got racially shafted and became the guinea pig of the super soldier program. to be true to that, he has to be full of angst at the crackers that did that to him. that changes the character on so many levels. yeah, he still has those wholesome values, but he just can't believe in people as much anymore. And everyone knows we haven't always been a PC nation. According to the past sixty-plus years of comics, Steve Rogers was chosen by our WHITE government as the symbol of america during WWII. black people couldn't even eat at certain restaurants in parts of the country, but good ol' uncle sam chooses a black guy to be Capt America? doesn't make sense. Unless you change the back story. which would make a great storyline in a comic book(as in ultimate origins where they are linking fury and capt together as super soldiers), but before you can appreciate different versions, you have to appreciate the original. so you have to stick to the classic capt. most roles are racially open to interpretation. but capt's not one of those. he's a white, white man. this isn't racist it's rational. it just doesn't fit the back story. tony stark could have been a black guy. peter parker could have easily been a black guy. bond can be a black guy (as long as he's got a british accent). but not capt. his race has so much to do with his back story. i think the fact that he's white says a lot about our country then, and having a black nick fury says a lot about our country now.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:49 p.m. CST

    iamrafsusername

    by MetalMickey

    Right, Steve Rogers will ALWAYS be our blond, blue-eyed Cap. I was thinking facetiously of a Batman Beyond-like 21 century reboot down the line.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:50 p.m. CST

    by williammunny

    Worst casting choice in a comic book movie since Ben Afleck. Will ruin the movie.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Ben Affleck as Will Smiff as Bucky Barnes as Cap!

    by j_ky2002

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Will Smith is the new Cap'n Crunch.

    by otm shank

    That's what they were really saying.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Paul Bucciarelli

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Webster's defines a "spinster" as a woman whose occupation is to spin. O'Reilly and Limbaugh are both man-bitches who spin the story to fit their neo-con ideals, so I would say the term "spinster" applies. And that 90% number isn't an official poll count, just a figurative figure. I just know that your average American who doesn't read comics has no idea who Captain America is, and he's probably less known in the rest of the world.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:52 p.m. CST

    alienindisguise

    by iamrafsusername

    You... someone could argue that you're being racist. Especially with you stating that you're not being racist. You're not backing up your argument with actual logic. Sam Jackson as Fury works. The older version of Fury would not sell to movie audiences. I loved the Garth Ennis Nick fury (AICN comic nerds know what I'm talking about), but that would just not sell because he is simply a cantankerous, angry, psychotic old man. The ultimate Nick Fury is a sneaky, get the job done at any cost kind of guy. Jackson can sell that. He can play the bad guy if need be, which the Ultimate Fury sometimes is. The John Stewart Green Lantern (the black guy) works just fine too. Hell have a bunch of Green Lanterns! Oh wait... they do. It's called the Lantern Corps.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:54 p.m. CST

    The reason Jackson works as Fury

    by j_ky2002

    Is Hasselhoff fucked it up for every other white man, ever.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:55 p.m. CST

    BLADE REBOOT, WITH JAY LENO AS BLADE!

    by J-Dizzle

    Awesome nonsensical casting. Gotta love Hollywood!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:55 p.m. CST

    captain america: the spook who sat by the door

    by bright boy

    best movie ever!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Who sees Will Smith and thinks SuperSoldier ???

    by G100

    Sorry it won't work. Smith doesn't have the gravitas or the phyiscal presence. Of course a pure action Movie musclemass like Arnie or Sly would be equally silly.<p> <p>Eckhart could work. But if this Movie is relying on "star power" from it's lead to get Box Office then it's in trouble already.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:58 p.m. CST

    AWWW Hell Nawwww Avengers Assemble.

    by crazybubba

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:58 p.m. CST

    NATHAN FILLION FOR CAP!

    by SamBlackChvrch21

    And I can accept Big Willie for Luke Cage/Powerman, but Cap, regardless to the whole TRUTH storyline Marvel did a few years back, I'd like to see Good Ole Fashioned Steve Rogers please.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 4:59 p.m. CST

    MetalMickey... Batman Beyond casting...

    by iamrafsusername

    This would be perfect. Clint Eastwood as old Bruce Wayne and Shia Lebouf as Terry McGuinness. Fuck yes. Throw in Megan Fox as that sexy bitch in the blue dress. and Anthony Hopkins as the resurrected Joker. Damn... that would fucking rock.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5 p.m. CST

    Mysterious Yobo

    by iamrafsusername

    Fail.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5 p.m. CST

    i want

    by nilskidoo

    to play speedball. Optimous Douche would like to show off his chops and portray every member of Power Pack.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Not a freaking chance in Hell. Here's why...

    by Acappellaman

    Good Lord. First stupid rumors that Cher will be Catwoman... now this?!? I'll give you one reason (out of, oh, maybe a dozen) why Will Smith will NOT be Captain America. Money. Having Smith star in the one-off Captain America movie would be expensive enough. Can you imagine how much it'll cost them to pay for all these high profile actors once The Avengers is being planned? Robert Downey Jr., Edward Norton, Samuel Jackson, Will Smith, plus whoever's going to play Thor and Ant Man - all in one movie? They'd go bankrupt! There's no way they'll pay someone with Smith's paycheck demands to play Captain America. No way in Hell. Case closed. Kill the rumor now.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:01 p.m. CST

    G100 re: SuperSoldier

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Did you buy Tim Roth as a super soldier in Incredible Hulk? I don't think physical presence has anything to do with it as far as a movie Super Soldier goes. Besides, most acting beefcakes are also meatheads, so the whole "they have to look like a 'super soldier'" is out the window.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Logan Echolls as Bucky damnit.

    by iamrafsusername

    That kid needs work. Damn I miss Veronica Mars.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Tim Roth can fucking act though...

    by iamrafsusername

    That's what fucking sold it. Will Smith can act like Will Smith.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:03 p.m. CST

    naked megan fox as every character ever

    by bright boy

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:03 p.m. CST

    And what's with all the Aaron Eckhart love?

    by Chishu_Ryu

    I found him totally unlikable as Harvey Dent in Dark Knight. It's no wonder Rachel Dawes was still stuck on Bruce Wayne...

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:04 p.m. CST

    I fucking told you so...

    by The Eskimo

    ....I called this months ago during one of the Avengers Movie talkbacks. Of course at the time I was just making the comment for shock value knowing full well that Hollywood would never be that stupid. Goes to show ya....

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Rachel Dawes was still stuck on Wayne because chicks dig the car

    by iamrafsusername

    That's why. Eckhart was fucking great. The guy is a great actor. Thank you for smoking? Thank you for making.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Mr_Saxon

    by iamrafsusername

    It saves me the time of going into the detail of why a post sucked. When I type "FAIL" you know that the post sucked nuts. The person failed horribly at getting his point across and therefor his post was deemed as "FAIL". Just be happy it wasn't "Epic Fail".

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:08 p.m. CST

    How about the mini avengers with

    by crazybubba

    vern troyer as Capt America, Emmanuel Lewis as the Black Panther, Tom Cruise as the Incredible Hulk

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Is it just me

    by the podosphere

    or are we all going to look back at the Will Smith era with even greater disdain than the Tom Cruise era or even the Schwarzenegger/Stallone era???

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:08 p.m. CST

    bright boy Re: Naked Megan Fox...

    by iamrafsusername

    Agreed.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:09 p.m. CST

    tom cruise-

    by nilskidoo

    SMASH

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:10 p.m. CST

    Knee-jerk reaction is to hate on this, but I think it could work

    by zillabeast

    Big Wille seems to always bring it when it matters most. Ali, Pursuit of Happyness, I, Robot, I Am Legend....especially the latter. I think he could work out just fine.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:10 p.m. CST

    Better casting for Mini Avengers...

    by iamrafsusername

    Michael J. Fox as the Hulk. "PARKINSONS MAKES ME ANGRY!!!!!111" ::shakes uncontrollably while turning green::

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:10 p.m. CST

    I've said this in other talkbacks about Cap

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    Get James Marsden. Sure, he was in X-Men, but we never really saw his face. Just give him a dye job, and some contacts if he needs them. He has the build, he has the acting chops, and his character was way underdeveloped in all the X movies. This could be his chance for a real comic hero role. Either that, or break out Reb Brown again.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Let's look at this as something that makes sense...

    by Maestro610

    If Derek Luke was talking about Captain America and that he heard Will had been offered the movie it's just what it sounds like a rumor. I know why there is a distinct worry that Smith could be cast as Steve Rogers. B/C you would only use someone of such notoriety to change Rogers' race. I don't think Marvel would do that especially with the existence of a canon black Captain America. I am not suggesting that they shouldn't/couldn't swap races of major characters. I am a huge proponent of The Rock playing Superman and as an african-american I love that this conversation of Will Smith playing Steve Rogers is even happening. Saying all of that there is little chance of Marvel doing a change that big on this character. So if they are casting for a black lead I'd be looking at Isaiah Bradley myself. They could compare it to the Tuskegee Experiments, and really give the story some deeper drama. I'd love to see the formula start as a dirty secret and then over time earn prestige when Isaiah proves its worthwhile properties. Then they give it to Rogers who becomes the propaganda poster boy. Parallel the secrecy of Bradley vs the prominence of Rogers. I'd even be willing to say that Bradley dying, ie making the ultimate sacrifice for his country, could be the thing that gives Rogers hope again. Since we know he is disappointed in America when he wakes up, a Black American who lived through the Civil Rights and Black Power movements but still fought for his country even dying for it could be seen as the ultimate patriotism. Then we get both the classic Captain America and a dramatic story that keeps the movie from becoming comedic/campy. If we also happen give minority children in america a minority Captain America to dress up as on Halloween and pretend to be on playgrounds... Then I can only see the movie as being even more positive.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:11 p.m. CST

    I Am Legend...

    by iamrafsusername

    "I was SAVING that bacon!!!" Yeah... totally knocked it outta the park. Plus... we all know black men don't dig on swine.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Will smith as done the superhero thing..

    by emeraldboy

    in that godawful film Hancock. all depends on well he does in Pharoh. if they do cast smith. Things will get ugly and I predict people will leave this site and never come back.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Maestro610

    by iamrafsusername

    I stopped reading your post when I read your Rock = Superman shenanigans. If you're trying to get people to read your opinions and take them seriously... leave retarded shit like that out. Or at least post it at the end.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:15 p.m. CST

    sam kinison as J. Jonah Jamison

    by crazybubba

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Some White Guy As Some Black Guy!

    by LaserPants

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Some Black Guy As Some White Guy!

    by LaserPants

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Some Skinny Guy As Some Fat Guy!

    by LaserPants

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Some Fat Guy As Some Skinny Guy!

    by LaserPants

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:17 p.m. CST

    in the words of mr. smith himself...

    by DigitalBeachWar

    "AAAH HELL NAW!"

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:18 p.m. CST

    Its Not Racist to Reject Smith *POLITICAL RHETORIC INSIDE*

    by SamBlackChvrch21

    How dare anyone say it is racist to not accept Will Smith as Captain America. It has nothing to do with race as much as it has to do with Continuity of the Story and the source material. While, I am sure Smith can play the role well and be all Mr. 4th of July about it, I do not agree that it follows the Cap/Avengers tie in that most of us Marvel fans are expecting. As people mentioned before casting Smith would be stunt casting and would also prove that there is no care for the fan base or the source material. Racisim is the furthest thing from the issue here. That would be like Voting for Obama, just because its about time we had a black president and not because of his platform or his political views.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Bloated Corpse of Mama Cass as Emaciated Corpse of Edie Sedgewic

    by LaserPants

    Bloated Corpse of Mama Cass as Emaciated Corpse of Edie Sedgewic

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:21 p.m. CST

    They made superman a commie...

    by crazybubba

    why not do the movie as a "What If" in alternative universe where, as some have suggested,Cap is given the Super Serum as part of the Tuskegee Experiments. Then in the 60's he grows out a big Afro with a pick in it, joins the Black Panthers and gives the Black Power salute at the Olympics. Yea ... take that haters.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Mr_Saxon

    by iamrafsusername

    You've got Epic Mail.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Wow, that's gotta be...

    by ChezKing

    ONE OF THE WORST RUMORS I HAVE EVER HEARD! Please just let this be a bad rumor. And if it's true, please God, give Will Smith the good sense to turn it down!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:24 p.m. CST

    John McCain As That Angry Old White Guy Who Lost The Race

    by LaserPants

    I love how he keeps trying to hijack the "change" message. Hahaha! Hilarious. I almost feel sorry for him. Almost.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Harry Knowles as Natalie Portman

    by LaserPants

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:26 p.m. CST

    HOLY CRAP THIS JUST IN:

    by ChezKing

    Danny DeVito to play George Jefferson in the movie adaptation of the JEFFERSONS! Wow!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:28 p.m. CST

    An Elephant As A Mouse

    by LaserPants

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:28 p.m. CST

    A Zebra As A Gopher

    by LaserPants

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:29 p.m. CST

    A Penis As A Vagina

    by LaserPants

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:29 p.m. CST

    A Car As A Truck

    by LaserPants

  • But you have to believe the guy is a soldier.<p> <p>I just don't get that vibe from Smith. He was a captain in Indpendence day yes, but a Pilot not someone who looks like he has been through hell in WWII.<p> <p>Gravitas is needed and Smith never really pulls that off as he is always a touch too jokey in his roles.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:29 p.m. CST

    A Circle As A Square

    by LaserPants

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:29 p.m. CST

    As for Eckhart

    by SamBlackChvrch21

    They should have cast him for Daredevil back in '03. If they ever decide to reboot that character, Eckhart is the way to go.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Up As Down

    by LaserPants

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:30 p.m. CST

    A Gun As A Noodle

    by LaserPants

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Nick Fury

    by Lloytron

    Samuel L Jackson was Nick Fury in Iron Man.... :D

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:30 p.m. CST

    A Pizza As A Flapjack

    by LaserPants

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:30 p.m. CST

    A Needle As A Haystack

    by LaserPants

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:30 p.m. CST

    A Bomb As A Flower

    by LaserPants

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:31 p.m. CST

    A Cum Shot As A Chastity Belt

    by LaserPants

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:31 p.m. CST

    A Knee As A Tooth

    by LaserPants

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:31 p.m. CST

    A Blowjob As A Rimjob

    by LaserPants

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:31 p.m. CST

    WWII Capt America won't work because...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    ...Steve Rogers would have to go into suspended animation somehow, and that's just not really possible, little men who turn into giant green Hulks aside. Does Steve Rogers get frozen in ice, like in the comics? Kind of stupid and unrealistic if you think about in realistic movie terms, which seems to be the track they took with Iron Man and Incredible Hulk.<p> Plus, in the new movies, the Super Soldier serum comes from the Incredible Hulk, which doesn't happen until the present. That means a movie Capt America who fits in with the RDJ Iron Man and Norton Hulk will have to be a new player, as opposed to some white guy who goes into suspended animation like some cheap Austin Powers rip-off, which means people arguing against Will Smith because he would never be a WWII icon have no argument. But, I guess if they start bringing in Thor, "reality" kind of goes out the window doesn't it?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:32 p.m. CST

    A Typewriter As A Blimp

    by LaserPants

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:32 p.m. CST

    A Punch In The Mouth As A Spit In The Eye

    by LaserPants

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:33 p.m. CST

    How About An Arab Captain America

    by LaserPants

    The bible belt just imploded.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Cap

    by Clumzor

    Ya know, It would totally kick ass if he was playing Isaiah Bradley in a flash back. That means they could introduce The Patriot as sort of a pseudo Bucky. Could possibly spin it off into a Young Avengers movie. Just saying.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:35 p.m. CST

    OSAMA BIN LADEN As GEORGE W. BUSH

    by LaserPants

    Since they worked so closely together over the past 30 years, I think either one could play the other; especially since their both psychopathic terrorists with messiah complexes.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:36 p.m. CST

    The funniest blog so far goes to...

    by crazybubba

    BringingSexyBack's the Rev Jeremiah Wright as Capt. Goddamn American. You gotta love Big Willy he even makes geek blogs fun.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Isaiah Bradley -- TRUTH Cap -- Would Make A Great Movie

    by LaserPants

    But this was supposed to be about Steve Rogers. Right?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:39 p.m. CST

    Vigo Mortenson As Cap. Smith Still Good Though

    by Frodo T. Baggins

    Brad Pitt? Aw Hell Naw. We Need Actors That Actually Like The Character And Will Come Back For Spin Off Movies & Wont Demand A Truck Load Of Money (Tobey) For Trilogies. Thats Why I Liked Brandon Roth. He Said "As Long As They Are Making Superman Movies, I Want To Be Superman". We Need That Devotion. Im Afraid We Wont Get That From Blockbuster Actors. I Could Actually Handle Smith But His Schedule Could Kill Everything I Just Said.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:39 p.m. CST

    VOLTRON as POWER RANGERS!

    by LaserPants

    NOOOOOOOOO!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:40 p.m. CST

    LaserPants as DannyGloversDickBlood

    by crazybubba

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Viggo Mortenson As Cronenberg's Sex Fantasy

    by LaserPants

    Cronenberg is so in love with Mortenson.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:41 p.m. CST

    DannyGloversDickBlood As Crazybubba

    by LaserPants

    RUGHT FUCKIN BACKATCHA!!! YEEEEAAHHH!!!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:42 p.m. CST

    LaserPants as Cletus Van Damme

    by crazybubba

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:42 p.m. CST

    No Problem!

    by LaserPants

    Thanks for what, though?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:42 p.m. CST

    LaserPants As JESUS CHRIST THE LORD

    by LaserPants

    CUM TO ME MY CHILDREN!!! CUM TO ME!!!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:43 p.m. CST

    JESUS CHRIST! JESUS CHRIST! OH HOLY SHIT HIS NAMES JESUS CHRIST!

    by LaserPants

    Thats from my redux of JESUS CHRIST SUPERSTAR retitled JESUS CHRIST SUPERPIMP.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:44 p.m. CST

    Chishu_Ryu: let me guess...

    by IAmJack'sUserID

    ...since I don't condone this type of casting, you're lumping me in with "evangelical conservatives"? Nice, very nice. You are very typical. Actually, I despise the very notion of religion, especially in an organized and loud fashion.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:44 p.m. CST

    I find Captain America boring

    by gringostar

    so I don't really give a shit...

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Chishu_Ryu... you're sounding stupid.

    by iamrafsusername

    If you go back and watch The Incredible Hulk, you'll see that the Super Serum came from an experiment they tried way back in the day that was just shelved. You actually see when they're removing the serum from the cryogenic freezing thing that the original scientist's name is on there as well as a date from back in WW2. Suck it. Now stop trying to sound like you know things.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:48 p.m. CST

    An Arab Capt. America is a pretty good idea...

    by crazybubba

    40 virgins go to the first suicide bomber who kills aquaman in their Jihad with the Super Friends. Works for me.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:48 p.m. CST

    AWW HAIL NO! as AWW HAIL YEAH!

    by LaserPants

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:48 p.m. CST

    its obviously a bad choice, but could be an interesting oddity

    by RockLobster800

    I mean considering what could happen in America in the next few years...I mean it would be a weird time capsule if it reflected a time where a black man was president and Cap America followed suit. HOWEVER, beyond that it needs too muck work to pull it off to please anybody. I mean theres well documented proof of racial intolerance in the 40s that suggests that the american government would not have allowed an african american to be a super soldier-they wouldnt big him up, when they could have a good old clean cut white all american boy.Now unless the film played on that angle, then it would just be too glaring....however, ANY captain america film nowadays would have to convey the massive leaps in history-I mean how would an actual comic book classic steve rogers cope in obamas america? (providing he wins-Im for him anyway)I mean a captain america film if handled right could be a less cheesy all american patriot-fest, (and if they didnt hold back on americas past (particularly the RECENT past)) more a morally complex thriller ala TDK....but seeing as Superman Returns was kind of a good supes one off oddity and got majorly dissed, then I dont see a weird black cap america flick being accepted by the fans too much...but we'll see...

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:50 p.m. CST

    agreed

    by palooka_boy

    more likely he'll end up as Isaiah Bradley. But I think the star casting could result in too much distraction from giving Cap his own story.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Lets write the script for Capt Arab America right here in the bl

    by crazybubba

    The dude from Lost could get the lead role.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:52 p.m. CST

    DICK CHENEY AS THE RED SKULL'S CHICKEN HAWK SON!

    by LaserPants

    Now THAT's inspired casting.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Capt Arab America's mission...

    by crazybubba

    would be to end reverse-reverse-reverse racism and bar room happy hours around the world.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:55 p.m. CST

    whats a nubian?

    by Obscura

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Fuck this... I'ma go jerk it to interracial porn...

    by iamrafsusername

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 6 p.m. CST

    Brendan Fraser.

    by Jeff Dee

    I'm sorry, but it had to be said. Yes, he's been in a lot of bad films. He's also been in good ones, and was good in them. Give the man a chance, you know he'd be perfect.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 6 p.m. CST

    michael vick as a pitbull

    by crazybubba

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 6:01 p.m. CST

    No Stopi tit.

    by decypher44

    Seriously, just stop it. Will Smith needs to go away and play with Tom and John.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 6:02 p.m. CST

    This is perfectly acceptable as long.....

    by the1980mutant

    as they have a MLK Jr. character in the movie and he is played by Steve Guttenberg. Seriously though, how do studios start fucking up their franchises at the CONCEPT stage. They might as well bring out the old Captain America movies from the early 80's or whenever.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 6:02 p.m. CST

    Paris Hilton as Einstein

    by crazybubba

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Why not John McCain as Capt. America.?

    by crazybubba

    their about the same age.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 6:12 p.m. CST

    Come on, you know this is a retarded rumor.

    by Roketopunch

    There is no way Marvel would do this. They would get so much hate mail that their servers would blow up. This is phony. If so, lets get Emmanuel Lewis to be Bucky and Gilbert Godfried to be the Red Skull.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Incredible Hulk

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Okay, I dis-remembered the WWII serum stuff, just like I dis-remembered most of that forgettable movie. Alright, so if they do go with a resurrected WWII Captain America, which would still be silly but could work since the Super Serum would help preserve his body and vital functions, then no, Will Smith would not work as Captain America.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 6:18 p.m. CST

    You guys are DUMB

    by Stalkeye

    ..If you actually belive that Marvel would be stupid enough to cast Smith as Cap..unless it's the prototype Captain A. (Based on Marvel's GN The Truth in which the first man to receive the unproven SS Serum was a Afican American.) But it's not gonna happen.AICN loves to stir up shit at times don't they?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 6:20 p.m. CST

    THE MARVEL (MOVIE) UNIVERSE

    by Johnnie Walker

    Zak Penn (and Mark Millar) have already confirmed that in creating the Marvel movie universe they are drawing a lot of inspiration from the ULTIMATES. So it totally makes sense that they could incorporate the ideas from T:RW&B into Cap's history. But the real reason for even thinking of Will Smith is FAR MORE PRACTICAL: he is simply the ONLY real movie star Hollywood has left, equally capable of opening big tent-pole pictures and delivering solid character performances. You know that Cap's "man out of time" theme is going to play heavily into his cinematic incarnation, and Smith has proven himself, whether you like his movies or not, as an excellent actor. So while Eckhart would probably be the perfect choice in terms of look, acting ability, and whatever else is a priority for you (and lets be honest--he's probably at the top of Kevin Feige's wish list, with the added benefit of stealing him from DC/Warners), Smith is more bankable. Plus, superficially, he's got the build for the character. This is the first Marvel movie character who actually has to LOOK heroic. A wiry, aging Brad Pitt ain't gonna do it.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 6:25 p.m. CST

    It's not stunt casting, it's executive casting

    by wookie1972

    Executives try to get the biggest name they can, continuity and tradition be damned. It's why Robert Redford was offered Michael Corleone, Superman and Benjamin Braddock from The Graduate, even though he would have been wrong for all of them. (Redford, of course, would have been perfect for Cap 30 years ago, but that's neither here nor there). Smith would bring in the people, but it's a stupid idea for many reasons. For one, it's ahistorical (you just wouldn't see a black man leading missions at the time; sad but true). As well, it's against the bare minimum continuity; what most people know about Captain America is that he's a blonde, blue eyed white guy. Finally, it goes against what has been brilliant casting for other superhero roles. Downey, Bale, and Norton were not the biggest names that DC and Marvel could have gone with, but they fit the parts. Personally, I see someone like Nathan Fillion as Cap, but even he might be too old. In any case, Smith is a silly choice.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 6:29 p.m. CST

    this just in... leonardo dicaprio as black panther

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 6:31 p.m. CST

    honestly though, if sam jackson can be nick fury

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    why cant smith be steve rogers - its not like he is being asked to play thor

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 6:36 p.m. CST

    nevahagin

    by wookie1972

    Bite me, I'm voting for Obama. It has nothing to do with this.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 6:36 p.m. CST

    C'mon Harry, admit it...

    by superfleish76

    You only posted this stupid rumor to watch people freak the fuck out. You're a sick, sick man. BTW, Emo Phillips told me that Ving Rhames is in negotiations to play Thor.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Because Nick Fury Was Sam Jacksoned Up In The Comics

    by LaserPants

    In the Ulimates, which is an alternate universe Marvel universe.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 6:36 p.m. CST

    nevahagin, dumb ass

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    captain america was white blonde and blue eyed in the comics since his creation in the 1940s - its not racist hypocrisy that some find this to be a bad idea - i like will smith, and im sure hed do the role justice - but for the last 60 yrs steve rogers appeared in the comics as a white guy - doesnt it stand to reason he be depicted the same way in the movie? - unless they change the origin and make him a veteran of more recent wars - kuwait, iraq etc - then smiths casting would work - why is superman always a white guy in movies? - because he was in the comics

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 6:37 p.m. CST

    im voting for obama too

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    if the maverick and the milf win, god help us

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Jimmy Joe

    by wookie1972

    It could work, as long as they throw away the WWII angle, which I think would be a shame. The whole point about Cap in the modern era is that he is the spirit of American heroism, literally back from the dead. It just doesn't make any sense to have a black actor playing him in that time period. Sam Jackson as Nick Fury is not the "classic" Nick Fury, who also started out as a WWII hero, but would make no sense in that role because he would be over 90 by now.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Cap is white

    by BUCK.STARBLASTER

    I was pissed off when singer made supermans cape fuckin bergandy instead of red. It has nothing to do with race. Nick fury is sam jackson in the ultimate marvel u. He's cool. Cap is a white guy. I like my superheros to look like they do in the comics. I mean is that not half the point of making these movies, to bring these iconic charactors to life?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Cap is white

    by BUCK.STARBLASTER

    I was pissed off when singer made supermans cape fuckin bergandy instead of red. It has nothing to do with race. Nick fury is sam jackson in the ultimate marvel u. He's cool. Cap is a white guy. I like my superheros to look like they do in the comics. I mean is that not half the point of making these movies, to bring these iconic charactors to life?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 6:39 p.m. CST

    oh yeah, the alternate/ultimate stuff

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    whatever

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 6:40 p.m. CST

    What amuses me no end, are the new screen names

    by toadkillerdog

    Afraid to talk racist shit with your old handles?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Leonardo Dicaprio is cap

    by richjb77

    Honestly...did you see how big that guy got for "Gangs of New York" or whatever that movie was called...Plus he has the look and would give the movie cred. He's about do for a legit action movie to round out his career.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Let me be blunt

    by Geekgasm

    If Will Smith is Captain America, I will not be watching "Captain America". Similarly, if Ryan Reynolds is the Black Panther, I will not be watching "Black Panther".

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 6:44 p.m. CST

    i want to see an nc17 rated she-hulk movie

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    a very tall very muscular green goddess with great tits and a ridiculously large muscular ass - cheeks that could crush a man - whos with me on this?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 6:48 p.m. CST

    DiCaprio would be okay, but not my first choice either.

    by wookie1972

    I really think that they have to go beyond the "get the biggest name we can" way of thinking. Admit it, Downey should not have been the first choice for Iron Man, and Bale was *not* a big name before Batman Begins. If we went with this line of thinking, we would have Redford as Michael Corleone, Ashton Kutcher as Batman and Vin Diesel as Hellboy, and our moviegoing experience would be all the lesser for it.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Not a Good Idea

    by gandalftheblack

    I would not be in favor of a Will Smith as Captain America. He just doesn't have the Steve Rogers feel to him. But I remember in the "What If's Comics, one issue was if Captain Americas wasn't the only Super Soldier and because of the political/racial climate there were attempts at Black Super Soldiers, but when Steve Rogers is president in that comic they give black soldiers a tainted strand of the super soldier serum as "proof" that black folks couldn't take advantage of it (keeping in with the times of course). Will Smith "could" be one of the few who were able to resit the tainted strand, but I'm nit sure how that would work out. what do you think?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 6:50 p.m. CST

    My asshole can only stretch so far

    by WolfmanNards

    We've already got the Jr. Ghostbusters dicks tucked in there. How much torture are they gonna put me through. Are they really trying to rape me to DEATH!?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 6:51 p.m. CST

    Sure he's a big name

    by TimBenzedrine

    but can you imagine how stupid he'd look in that costume? His EARS wouldn't fit under his damned hood/cowel/whatever.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Sounds good to me. I like it. Why not?

    by antonphd

    Why is there a problem with making Captain America black? He's a cartoon. Will did Ali, he can pull off a cartoon. I think that if it's not Will then bring on Harvey 2 Face for Cap.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 6:54 p.m. CST

    I am still pissed

    by TimBenzedrine

    about what Will Smith and WB did to "The Wild Wild West". That was my favorite show as a kid.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Serena Williams for She-Hulk?

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    Fits Jimmy's description. J-Lo could be the baddie.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 6:55 p.m. CST

    The Obvious Choice for Captain America

    by IndoorPlumbing

    Billy Crudup. Thoughts?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 6:55 p.m. CST

    And as for "Steve Rogers is dead..."

    by wookie1972

    The Death of Captain America didn't register with the public beyond current comic readers. The movies are based on a very loose continuity that the average moviegoer knows about the character. If they followed continuity to the letter, the the Hulk should be red and Iron Man a skrull, or whatever the hell Marvel is doing right now.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 6:56 p.m. CST

    the spook who sat by the door

    by bright boy

    scariest movie ever made. for reals. youre not a film geek until youve seen it and then youll know why will smith must be captain america

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Indoorplumbing : Crudup is the kiss of death...

    by wookie1972

    He has been the "Next Big Thing" since the early 90s, and nothing has happened for him (I'm excited about Watchmen, but he could still ruin it). He's the male Gretchen Mol.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 6:58 p.m. CST

    cap can be white anachorism to play off of black nu-fury

    by Babba-Booey

    CA needs to be a narrow-minded uber-conservative, bible-belt, milk-n-cookies, no sex before marriage, white-bread stereotype. He needs to be the fish out of water that encounters a black superior officer (Black Nick Fury), a black president or woman vice president, and a world that isn't as black & white as it relates to enemies anymore. Marvel should show some balls and make Cap a bit of a dick at the start, and then turn into the President's lap dog-kinda like Superman was Ronald Regan's go-to boy for all things Pax Americana back in The Dark Knight Returns ('86). Once he realizes that people played him to be a tool, he can redeem himself.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Don't Worry, Obama Is Going To Win

    by LaserPants

    I think the majority of the populace, the voting populace, is done with the Republicans and their failed, destructive policies for the forseeable future. The MILF was a cynical ploy to get Hillary voters and its going to fail; seeing as how Palin is essentially another Nazi Xtian. The race will be tight, mostly because there are still lots of racist people in the country, but Obama is going to take it. <br><br> You know what is a good indicator? The fact that McCain has been trying, awkwardly, to hijack Obama's change message. As soon as you start hijacking your opponents message, you lost.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 7:01 p.m. CST

    There is so much racism behind this post and thread its insane..

    by fassbinder79

    What is wrong with Will Smith being Captain America exactly? He is an action star, right? Smith does have cross over appeal and brings in tremendous box office around the world, right? I could understand people being against him post Hancock (one of the worst films I've ever seen) but that is clearly not the reason people are angry about him as the potential lead in this film. Yes, it wouldn't be what the character is in the comic. But that wasn't true for Green Lantern on the animated Justice League show and personally I thought that worked out really well. Flame on. But let's call it what it is...Racism and prejudice against a black man being Captain America.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 7:03 p.m. CST

    Captain America

    by fassbinder79

    I would also add that my top choice for Captain America is... ...Leonardo DiCaprio with Scorsese or Paul Verhoeven directing.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 7:03 p.m. CST

    WOOKIE: You're right, but...

    by IndoorPlumbing

    Without Limits should have been better received. Oscar nomination missed? Absolutely. Of course, Monica Potter was in that movie. Remember her? Anyone? Anyone? Monica. Potter. Yep.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 7:05 p.m. CST

    Babba Booey, you've hit the nail on the head.

    by wookie1972

    Remember, Cap was created by two Jewish guys who indended him as a bigger-than-life, slightly corny WASP hero (which is why he could get away with stuff like socking Hitler on the jaw). He is naive enough to believe that if you work hard and play by the rules you'll succeed, and the modern world is disillusioning to him.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Fassbinder

    by LaserPants

    Sorry, man, you're wrong. Captain America, Steve Rogers, is a white guy. Yeah, it could be changed, but why? To me that almost seems more racist. Like, what, black audiences won't see a white Captain America? I don't think so. <br><br> In terms of Green Lantern, John Stewart was a black human male AND a Green Lantern, hence, black Green Lantern. Remember the Lanterns are a like a corps of space cops, so there really is no one Green Lantern, theres thousands of them. It just so happens that 4 of them are from Earth, and one of those four, John Stewart, is black. <br><br> Actually, now THAT could be cool -- Will Smith as Green Lantern John Stewart. I would dig that. I like Will Smith, just not as Cap. Steve Rogers Cap specifically.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Willy Smitty as Cap America is stupd

    by LeftFoot

    Nick Fury black works because Sam Jackson is a god. Michael Duncan Clarke made Kingpin work so well it was the best thing in an "okay" film.<BR><BR> Capt. America as black? Not if Willy Smitty plays him. That actor simply cannot pull it off. Regardless of some deal a suit makes.<BR><BR> And something unspoken, and possibly unrealized by many today: the nazi ideal was a WHITE blond Aryan. Capt. America had more than a hint of 'he is our WHITE blond American ideal'. Wait, ... maybe that is a small part of the reasoning to make Cap black. No, probably just corporate greed.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Fassbinder79... GL was black...

    by wookie1972

    because there was precedent for GL being black (I'm assuming the JLA cartoon has John Stewart, not Hal Jordan). Other than the Truth miniseries, there has never been a black Captain America. If you want to make him a modern character, throw away the WWII backstory, fine, use Smith. But I feel that it would really be missing something. Cap as a product of WWII is, to me, a dealbreaker for the character.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Fassbinder79... GL was black...

    by wookie1972

    because there was precedent for GL being black (I'm assuming the JLA cartoon has John Stewart, not Hal Jordan). Other than the Truth miniseries, there has never been a black Captain America. If you want to make him a modern character, throw away the WWII backstory, fine, use Smith. But I feel that it would really be missing something. Cap as a product of WWII is, to me, a dealbreaker for the character.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Fassbinder79... GL was black...

    by wookie1972

    because there was precedent for GL being black (I'm assuming the JLA cartoon has John Stewart, not Hal Jordan). Other than the Truth miniseries, there has never been a black Captain America. If you want to make him a modern character, throw away the WWII backstory, fine, use Smith. But I feel that it would really be missing something. Cap as a product of WWII is, to me, a dealbreaker for the character.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 7:13 p.m. CST

    JimmyJoeRedsky, you've given me an idea...

    by Shut the Fuck up Donny

    Vivica Fox as She-Hulk!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Nevahagen

    by IndoorPlumbing

    Maybe Chase Crawford of 'Gossip Girl' should play the Cap? You'd like that, wouldn't you? Wouldn't you?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 7:14 p.m. CST

    sorry for the multiple posts...

    by wookie1972

    Anyway, the fact is that people off the street care about this, not just fanboys - remember when people were annoyed that a blonde actor was playing Bond?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Now I may be reading too much intelligence into it...

    by half vader

    But wasn't the fact that the Americans had their own Aryan superman battle the nazis IRONIC? Or am I seeing too much when it wasn't really there? <p> Speaking of irony, Smith ruined what could have been a nice note of irony in i, Robot of a black man being a bigot against the slaves/robots with his sweet potato pie, sneakers and aw hell naw bullshit. The whole thing is pretty much a racial allegory and the 'street' stuff ruined it (it wasn't there before he and his writers touched the script).

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Everyone put your white hoods away...

    by AnakinsDiapers

    ...This is a ridiculous rumor. Marvel has control over the character. Smith aint Steve Rogers. Not gonna happen.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Will Smith is one of those 50/50 actors...

    by TheWaqman

    One minute he will make something with a fucking GREAT performance like Ali and to a lesser extent Pursuit of Happiness, and the next minute he makes shit like Hancock and MIB 2. So the moral of the story is, only see his Oscar-bait movies, because he gives a good effort in those and the results are great. And DO NOT SEE HIS BIG BUDGET FILMS. Captain America played by Smith is a dumb rumor though.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Isn't Will Smith black?

    by Uncle Stan

    And yes, he did not ring true as Jim West--but that was only one of many fuck-ups with that film. Smith did work in I Am Legend. Neville's race is not a factor in the novel. I don't recall if it's even alluded to at all. Some characters simply do not lend themselves to arbitrary changes in gender and race (or in the case of a Jack Black Green Lantern: body type). Marvel couldn't sell me a black Kingpin, and they're not going to sell me a straight Gambit. Gambit has to be every bit as gay on screen as he is in the comics.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 7:25 p.m. CST

    NAWWWWW

    by CloneWars

    This would suck like a pornstar

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 7:25 p.m. CST

    half vader - nah, it was sort of there...

    by wookie1972

    Kirby and Simon were no fools. If they had made Captain America Jewish or Italian (let alone black) it would not have had the same impact. It's just the way things were back then.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Hmmm

    by IndoorPlumbing

    I wonder what would have happened if the internet existed when Marlon Wayans was signed on to play Robin for "Batman Returns" back in '92...

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 7:26 p.m. CST

    Spike Lee Should Direct

    by LaserPants

    But not Will Smith, have it still be a white dude. It would be part 4 of the white film cycle -- Summer of Sam, The 25th Hour, and Inside Man, all of which were pretty cool, especially the first two. You know, just to keep it outwardly about race and stuff.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 7:28 p.m. CST

    ruven76

    by LaserPants

    Thats such a rumorly rumor, but I like that rumor and wouldn't mind it being at least half true. Although, I still really, REALLY want EVA GREEN as CATWOMAN.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 7:30 p.m. CST

    ruven76

    by wookie1972

    Dustin Hoffman as who? Hugo Strange?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 7:31 p.m. CST

    Phillip Seymour Hoffman Not Dustin

    by LaserPants

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 7:32 p.m. CST

    Idea

    by IndoorPlumbing

    Jason Alexander as Robin

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 7:33 p.m. CST

    Hoffman's Penguin will fuck your ass bloody!

    by Uncle Stan

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 7:33 p.m. CST

    IndoorPlumbing...

    by wookie1972

    I have a vague memory of a possible black Robin, but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have been Dick Grayson. (And am I hallucinating, or was Chris Rock mentioned as Jimmy Olson and/or The Joker?)

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 7:34 p.m. CST

    WHY,why try this PC CRAP?

    by j2talk

    come on , if you are going to make Captain America, DO IT RIGHT,bring us the Steve Rogers that has been there from the beginning....and that Steve Rogers was white.... the Nick Fury change isn't that much of an issue as he has been changed in the comic,but to change Cap simply for the Box Office #$$$ or to jump on the public's fascination with Obama, then that is just plain wrong...take the lesson learned from Iron Man-RESPECT the SOURCE MATERIAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Laserpants

    by wookie1972

    I figured that out the second I wrote it. My bad. But Dustin is still pretty fricking brilliant - check his last appearance on the Daily Show for that stupid Mister Magorium movie. Funny as hell.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Bring Back Matt Salinger Dammit!!!!

    by Paul T. Ryan

    He was actually one of the only good things about the otherwise wretched Albert Pyun film. Failing that, I guess Reb Brown ain't doing much!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 7:36 p.m. CST

    CAPTAIN ARABIA!!!!

    by Johnno

    Set the movie after Sept 11th and cast an Islamic Osama Bin laden looking guy as Captain America who will lead the forces of George Bush to victory in Afghanistan, then Iraq, then Iran! George Bush is right! The US economy is stable! And Iraq posessed weapons of Mass Destruction! It's the perfect movie that America can make! In other words it's my way of saying that if you're casting Will Smith as the WWII Steve Rogers Captain America, then you're a fucking retard and obviously have no value for the source material except to paranoid-ly hide your own inert racism by saying you're alright with this shit...<br><br>Facts: America didn't like black people very much in WWII, the civil rights movement and end of slavery didn't happen for a long time afterwards. It would make no sense for America to make a black guy the symbol of their forces. Captain America represented that old American value system. Even bringing him back to modern times had him retain his old memories and old values. Making that cap a black guy completely changes all that shit up. It's not the movie or the cap I want to see. If you're making some kinda new Captain America 2999 AD movie, then fine, do whatever you want... If you're doing a "What if...?" movie then that would also be awesome! But that's not what anyone's aiming for here. This is stunt casting just to play off of the exact controversy that has everyone in this talkback's panties up in a bunch. If they seriously considered this idea you honestly think the first thing they did was consider the significance of a black man in that role and the themes that he'd bring and all that other poetic shit? No, the first thing they thought was, this is gonna cause a shitstorm and people will argue, self righteous politically correct assholes will try and push our movie and market it for us by insisting it's a good idea etc. etc. That's right! you're nothing but a bunch of fools dancing to a fiddle. <br><br>This is a stupid idea and it won't happen. I guarantee it!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 7:37 p.m. CST

    Didn't they already mention the Super-solider serum

    by wookie1972

    .. in the Incredible Hulk? I thought that it's pretty much a given that Cap is going to be in WWII. If they update it, fine, use Smith. But if it's WWII, it doesn't make sense to have Smith.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Stephen Colbert as the pre-serum Steve Rogers...

    by wookie1972

    There, I said it.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 7:40 p.m. CST

    The Sam Jackson/Nick Fury analogy is false...

    by j_ky2002

    Ultimate Fury was created based on Jackson. Both in appearance and attitude. And it was a GREAT idea. One of the better ideas in comics in 10 years. The regular 616 Fury can just fade away, and no one will miss him... This idea, however, is blatantly taking the ACTOR into account, and not the CHARACTER. There's a huge difference, and IT IS NOT RACISM. It's people who have wanted a good Captain America movie since that dreck from the 80's, and like someone else said, they are fucking it up IN THE CONCEPT STAGE, FOR FUCK'S SAKE!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 7:41 p.m. CST

    Wookie 1972,

    by j_ky2002

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 7:41 p.m. CST

    Wookie 1972,

    by j_ky2002

    Would you consider Steve Carrel? (Shit Harry, get a fucking edit button here.)

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Wookie...

    by IndoorPlumbing

    Right on. Chris Rock was pursued as Jimmy Olsen during the ill-conceived-but-who-knows-might-happen-again Black Suit/No Flying Superman phase in the 90s. Also, MARLON WAYANS was actually signed on to Batman Returns but was written out (obviously) after a couple of drafts. Which is good, because then we would never have been blessed with the WB's sensational series "The Wayans Bros". Shit changed my life.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 7:44 p.m. CST

    There were no Tuskeegee Airmen.

    by NiceGuyEddie19

    Sorry to disappoint but it is pop culture/media myth. As for creating a super soldier, such activities did and still are taking place. They are called the United States Marines.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 7:49 p.m. CST

    Rick Rolle as Obama

    by NiceGuyEddie19

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 7:53 p.m. CST

    FUCK NO!

    by br1947

    I'd rather see ScriptGirl play Cap first... holy shit of all the stupid rumors...

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 7:54 p.m. CST

    Four words you will never see together...

    by Dr Gregory House

    John Malcovich IS Blackula.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 7:56 p.m. CST

    SCRIPTGIRL AS MICHELLE OBAMA

    by NiceGuyEddie19

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Wait....

    by drew mcweeny

    ... NiceGuyEddie... what the fuck are you talking about? No Tuskeegee Airmen? Myth? Are you mental?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Mori...

    by NiceGuyEddie19

    What I could say right now could shake a lot of trees, but, my grandfather was actually THERE.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 8:04 p.m. CST

    This is Bullshit!

    by warghost

    Will Smith isn't much of an actor. He brings too much of a thuggish cocky attitude into his movies. I just saw Hancock and it was lame. I, Robot was a horrible Blade Runner wannabe. He was okay in I Am Legend, but he would be a terrible Cap. And to all of you stupid morons who are saying people opposed to this idea are racists, I say you need to get that dick our of your mouth and listen. Captain America is a fucking monolithic figure. You can't change something as important as his appearance without doing great harm to the character. What pisses me off is that Marvel would never cast a white actor to play a black comic character. Because they are pussies. They are sniveling cocksuckers who care more about making money than sustaining the integrity of what their characters are. They changed Nick Fury, which was a BAD idea. Same with Kingpin! Instead of giving into the PC crowd like a bunch of little bitches, they need to make a good movie based on a black comic character. Don't make a white character black. Make a Black Panther movie. Instead, they will continue to fuck with icons, because they are cowardly bitches.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 8:08 p.m. CST

    NiceGuyEddie19

    by just pillow talk

    Prove it.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 8:10 p.m. CST

    NiceGuyEddie19

    by fiester

    I suppose that whole Jewish Holocaust thing was just an invention of the liberal media too then, right?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 8:11 p.m. CST

    if you ask nicely Gus

    by just pillow talk

    Mori may give you a cyber hug.<p>Then all will be well in the world.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 8:12 p.m. CST

    Mori, ban me if you must, but this is truth...

    by NiceGuyEddie19

    The truth is... And this is going to surprise a lot of people and anger some... The Tuskegee airmen were actually Robert Downey Jr., my grandfather, and several other men in blackface.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 8:13 p.m. CST

    If you want to do this...

    by jsm1978

    Go "Young Avengers" or something. Isn't the "patriot" character in that a black man? Gives the same idea without ticking off fans of a character with a 60 year history.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 8:13 p.m. CST

    inform me

    by illegaltouching

    is the black suit/no flying superman the one directed by tim burton with cage as superman or the one scripted by kevin smith?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 8:14 p.m. CST

    NiceGuyEddie19, when you say Gramps was THERE...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    ...do you mean the local klan meeting?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 8:15 p.m. CST

    How Much You Wanna Bet NiceGuyEddie19

    by LaserPants

    secretly sucks the cocks of old ex-marines cruising rest stops up and down the innerstate? He does it for Jebus and Dubya. HAAALAYLOOOYAH!!! DUH HILT!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Dude...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... you are a stone-cold nutter. If you're going to try to turn this talkback into the equivalent of a Holocaust denial thread, I'll fucking usher you out without hesitation. I'm already uncomfortable with a lot of the virulent reactions here, but you're not going to start pretending that the Tuskeegee Airmen simply didn't exist. That's just horseshit crazy.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 8:17 p.m. CST

    LOL NiceGuyEddie...

    by just pillow talk

    Hysterical!<p>Here's a suggestion: go with Vince Vaughn. YOU are an undiscovered talent!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 8:17 p.m. CST

    LaserPants

    by NiceGuyEddie19

    I'm surprised at you man. Read my above post. You can see quite obviously it was just an elaborate joke. As many times as you have come to my defense, now you emerge to insult me?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 8:18 p.m. CST

    Wait...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... so it's just a dumb racist joke now and not an actual lunatic theory? I'm not sure which I dislike more.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 8:19 p.m. CST

    Hey hey hey, Mori...

    by NiceGuyEddie19

    Why so serious? Man, I like your articles and wish you had continued your "versus" series... Why are ya getting to upset here? Read my posts above, I was just kiddin. Geez.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 8:19 p.m. CST

    Well If It Was A Joke, It Backfired

    by LaserPants

    I came to your defense? Not saying I didn't, but I don't remember.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 8:19 p.m. CST

    F@ck you HANCOCK!!! Really!

    by TheBLIGHT

    Not only did Willy-boy stink up a solid script turned to crap film H@nd-To-Cock... The arrogance inherant in the idea that he, his management, studio personel et al, anyone... thinks it a-ok to place him in this role is astonishing!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Not Remotely Funny

    by drew mcweeny

    Miserable joke, dude. Deadly unfunny.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 8:21 p.m. CST

    NiceGuyEddie19

    by toadkillerdog

    Please, shake some trees. There are always revisionists out there who will deny anything and everything. So, please lets hear your latest entry into the nutcase files.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 8:21 p.m. CST

    I don't want a black guy to play Cap.

    by Toonol

    But then, I don't even a BROWN-HAIRED guy to play Cap. I don't even want a guy with GREEN EYES to play Cap. It's not crazy, racist, sexist, or eye-ist to want an actor to look like the character they're playing.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 8:21 p.m. CST

    OH...

    by jsm1978

    And I thought MCD was a terrible Kingpin, just for the record. <p> Whoever said 90 % of the people don't know who Cap is doesn't have a clue. His death was a big news item. <p> And in response to another comment... no one said "black people can't be superheros"... just don't change the race of established characters (particularly characters with THIS long of a history, and ties to actual history to boot).

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 8:22 p.m. CST

    Brad Beyer as Cap

    by Dodgy

    The big farm dude from jericho. I could really see him wearing the red white and blue.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 8:23 p.m. CST

    oh no Toad

    by just pillow talk

    He's joking. All is well. Cause we all know racist jokes are just the best on this site, right NiceGuyEddie?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Pillow, he is just a motard

    by toadkillerdog

    Was about to get his ass handed to him six ways to sunday, so out comes ' I was joking'

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 8:26 p.m. CST

    You guys...

    by NiceGuyEddie19

    What's with the inquisition? Have we honestly come to the point where a guy gets completely ostricized for racially based humor just because he's white? What about Chappelle, Lawrence, Murphy, etc? If you can give me an intellectually honest answer, I'll be satisfied.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 8:28 p.m. CST

    The true life story of Martin Luther King

    by happybunni

    Staring Robert Downy Jr., as Martin Luther King

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 8:29 p.m. CST

    We're Talking About Denying That The Tuskeegee Airmen Existed, E

    by LaserPants

    Thats pretty fucked up. It didn't come off as a joke, it seemed like you meant it. The part about white dudes playing them in blackface was kinda funny in a satirical way. Maybe you didn't realize what you were writing or how it sounded.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 8:31 p.m. CST

    I've Got Nothing...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... against smart humor of any kind. Just saying "Hey, the Holocaust didn't happen" or "Hey, the Tuskeegee Airmen were fake" is not particularly smart OR funny.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 8:31 p.m. CST

    warghost and Toonol

    by toadkillerdog

    Is Bruce Wayne British? Is Tony Stark 5'8"? Uhm nope and nope. Did ont stop Bale and Downey, Jr. Oh, is Wolverine 6'2"? Uh, nope. I am not thrilled with the idea of changing Caps ethnic origin, especially if the movie is set in WWII. However, there is a dearth of Black comic book Characters - everyone keeps using Black Panther and Luke cage, because that is all they know (because that is all that existed for decades). So, why not shake it up? Perhaps Cap is the wrong character, but I have zero problems with Fury or Kingpin being black.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 8:35 p.m. CST

    Mori, I understand to a degree...

    by NiceGuyEddie19

    Since we're talking about major historical issues, and, given that I apologize for my poor taste. I just wonder if it would have met with the same hostility if I were of another race, making jokes about, say, any random institution of W.A.S.P. culture, something valid and important to people.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 8:35 p.m. CST

    I Want To See Someone Make A KRYPTO Movie

    by LaserPants

    You know, about Superman's pet dog that shows up sometimes. I think Krypto is fucking terrifying. He's a fucking dog with the powers of Superman! He's like the Dog God. If he goes nuts, its like, All Fucking Over. Come to think of it, Superman is kind of terrifying too. I'm glad Batman has a reserve of Kryptonite just in case. Supergirl is hot. Love to tap that ass. And Batgirl! And Catwoman! Man, that would be a sweet threesome to fall into. They'd by all kissing each other on the pussay, and I'd be like, whassup super bitches, and they'd be all, have sex with us and I'd be all totally, fuckin a, man, and like, totally fuck them all. Yeah!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 8:36 p.m. CST

    NiceGuyEddie19

    by toadkillerdog

    When you invoked your 'grandfather' as being there, you lost all benefit of the doubt that you were simply making a joke. When Mori and others were about to wipe you off the face of the TB, you pulled out the lame ' I was joking' defense.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 8:39 p.m. CST

    NiceGuyEddie19

    by toadkillerdog

    Once again you miss the point. You were engaging in revisionism, not humor. It would not matter what color or ethnic origin you were. That can not be tolerated - nor can flat out racist or bigoted statements.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 8:39 p.m. CST

    Eddie Its The Way You Said It

    by LaserPants

    Sure a white man can make satirical racist jokes, but its how you say it and present it. It didn't sound like a joke. The part about white guys in black face playing the characters was kinda funny for instance.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 8:40 p.m. CST

    toad

    by NiceGuyEddie19

    That is untrue. I never even knew my grandfather, either one, so maybe I don't understand the emotional weight behind actually having one. My bad, I'm sorry. Geez.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 8:41 p.m. CST

    "What about Chappelle, Lawrence, Murphy, etc? "

    by fiester

    The difference is: THEY'RE FUNNY. You are not.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 8:45 p.m. CST

    Let's Put It This Way, Eddie...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... since I can see what you're insinuating: I don't believe in "reverse racism," and I don't believe the old saw, "Only white people can be racist." Racism is racism. Period. And revisionism of history is unacceptable, especially recent history that is 100% verifiable and as racially charged as what you made a joke about. I don't give a shit what color you are, and frankly, that wasn't part of my response. I didn't say, "You can't say that because you're white." You can't say what you said because it's grotesque and awful. See the difference?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 8:46 p.m. CST

    "they're funny, you're not..."

    by NiceGuyEddie19

    I actually kinda disagree. They're black and I'm not. I think that is the difference. Mori made the only significant point in that I was making a joke about a major historical event that people find true value in. The rest of you are either following his lead or just a bunch of lame ass white-guilty apologists.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Caps status in the Avengers is not Will Smiths persona

    by G100

    Captain America is far more of a respected father-figure sort of guy with real moral authority when you put him in the Avengers mix.<p> <p>He never struck me as the one who was constantly throwing out one-liner gags and putdown to villains which is really what Will Smith would be more suited for. Spidermans usually the comic relief.<p> <p>So if the Avengers film really is the destination for all these films then they must surely cast with the other actors already signed up in mind.<p> <p>Though lets face it if Will Smith IS onboard that just makes the film a complete logistical nightmare for scheduling all the actors in the Avengers film.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 8:48 p.m. CST

    And yes, Mori....

    by NiceGuyEddie19

    I completely see the difference whereas I am entirely able to admit I could not before. I agree with you. You pointed out something I didn't see, which is the major aspect of disrespect to historical documentation. Other people who have complained have failed to impress me, but I am fully able to admit you're right about that.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Will Smith could pull it off but........

    by JestaFool

    I think it would pull people out of the movie too much. Brad Pitt, George Clooney, Russel Crowe, hell even the dark knight himself Christian Bale would be awesome as the capt but i dont know how that would work seeing as he is already in the dc universe.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Idris Elba as the Black Panther

    by Mr_X

    i've started the rumour

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Despite our feelings, this is a briliant move Marvel!

    by ganymede3010

    Will is Smith is now who Tom Cruise use to be. Anything he's in is going to be a blockbuster, even if it's shitty (Wild Wild West). Now here's my main point, Captain America can not be White. The epic Marvel theme park that they're building in Dubai is devoid of any and everything that's Captain America. Thanks to the imperialistic Cowboy George Bush, no one outside America will pay to see Captain America, not even the Brits. Now, if Marvel wants this franchise to take off world wide they have to do something drastic. And by casting Will Smith will guarantee this movie will be a "world wide" blockbuster. I would of preferred Mcconaughey, but if Marvel is smart they'll pull the trigger on this. Marvel is basically giving us the middle finger, tells us to fuck off since they supplicated to the fanbois with Iron Man and the Hulk. Now they're doing a Movie for them. And you know Will Smith gets any roll "he wants" "any role". He doesn't ask for roles, he turns them down for living. Think about it. You know will is salivating to be Captain America, with his Captain sized ego!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 8:55 p.m. CST

    Black Vulcan The Movie !

    by G100

    [explaining how he left the SuperFriends] "They said it was some sort of budget thing. But I think it's because I complained that they were always pairin' me up with a white SuperFriend, like I was gonna start super-lootin' the minute they weren't watchin'. And you think I named myself Black Vulcan? Hell, no! I used to go by SUPER Volt, "Black Vulcan" was Aquaman's idea. And I said, well, maybe we should just call you White Fish."<p> <p>Pure electricity... in my pants.<p> <p>Harvey Birdman thy name is Genius. ;-)

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 8:55 p.m. CST

    i hope this doenst sound racist

    by joevfx

    but Steve rogers has a well know look to him . he went from skrawny geek to basically perfect blonde hair blue eyes white guy. What thery are gonan do is cast teh wrong character for looks, ( regadless if he is a great actor) and its gonan take peopel out of the movie from scene one. Just liek they did with SUe richards, they realised they casted teh wrong look for her and they tried to fix it int eh secodn one by makign her skin paler and giving her creepy blue contacts. Hell i woudltn want arnold swatzenegger casted as Luke Cage.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 8:59 p.m. CST

    Goddamnit, didn't any of you people read TRUTH?!

    by TallBoy66

    There was black captain america first, then Steve Rodgers. This has a basis in the Marvel U history. I like Will Smith, so I could go either way. Kingpin was bad colour-blind casting because Kingpin is supposed to represent Big White Business Crime, I agree. Will Smith as Cap, which is probably a bullshit rumour if you ask me, could be interesting because Smith can bring the acting chops and Steve Rodgers colour of his skin matters not. I just don't see Big Willie pulling double/triple Marvel Movie Universe duty like actors like Samuel L. Jackson and/or Robert Downey Jr. And he's too big for the role. And he already has a superhero franchise. So, yeah, done.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 9:02 p.m. CST

    A White Captain America will bomb overseas.

    by ganymede3010

    Like I said, the Neocons have tarnished the American brand. The only for this to work is to cast the biggest actor on the Planet. And that ladies and Gentleman is William Smith. And by him being Black will silence the far left cynics here in the States and abroad. However, the GOP will blow a gasket if this came into fruition.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 9:03 p.m. CST

    Marvel did have a black Captain America

    by Lauryn2000

    The comic book came out a few years ago..Marvel PG 1 Truth red,white & black written by Robert Morales and Kyle Baker "The Future Part 1 of VI" A six part min series however introduces an earlier version of Captain America--and his saga doesn't have the same ending....some "you" of sound like the "purists" who sent emails to Marvel a few years ago. Get over it....in a few years there won't be just white or black.The majority is about to be spanish...and they are gonna want their own superhero!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 9:10 p.m. CST

    gaymeade3010

    by NiceGuyEddie19

    Exactly. In order for Captain America to succeed overseas, which is of course the goal of every American movie, he HAS to be African-American. You are absolutely right.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 9:11 p.m. CST

    Keep Will Smith the fuck away from Captain America!

    by SpyGuy

    Unless Jessica Simpson is playing Storm in X-MEN 4 and Jack Black is Blade in BLADE 4, there is NO FUCKING WAY Will Smith should be Captain America. That douchebag ruined THE WILD, WILD WEST with his stunt casting and he'd do the same thing here.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 9:12 p.m. CST

    TomBodet_too

    by NiceGuyEddie19

    Can't tell what you're saying. Whether you get it or not, of if you're a sellout apologist douche or not. I honestly can't tell.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 9:12 p.m. CST

    WILL SMITH - EVEN HE WOULD SAY BULLSHIT

    by Mr_X

    he knows not to mess with white icons, after doing wild wild west, thats why he turned down when offered superman. this rumour is bullshit plan and simple

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 9:15 p.m. CST

    A WORD OF ADVICE FOR MARVEL!

    by JERRY HORROR

    .....please just cast an unknown and have seasoned vets as supporting roles. Trust me. It's the only way to get this right. Plus last week, wasn't an "American Gladiator" in contention for the role? I'll wait til' the ink dries on this one. Also, this country really needs a "Captain America" film. I don't always agree with our political climate, but, I am proud to be an American, I was raised to be patriotic. My grandfather and my father served, both Italian Immigrants who believed in the ideals of this country. www.myspace.com/jerryhorror

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Vincent Chase

    by IndoorPlumbing

    for Aquaman

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 9:21 p.m. CST

    THE TUSKEGEE AIRMEN DID NOT EXIST

    by BringingSexyBack

    in NiceGuyEddie's mind. But Talkback has a way of clarifying falsehoods and educating people. I like that.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 9:24 p.m. CST

    JOHN MCCAIN AND BARACK OBAMA ARE BOTH CAPTAINS OF AMERICA TO ME

    by BringingSexyBack

    Except one has a total fucking loon from Alaska, who speaks in tongues and lies more than Satan, as a running mate.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 9:24 p.m. CST

    He won't be Steve Rogers. He'll be Isaiah Bradley.

    by themanwhojaped

    He won't be Steve Rogers. He'll be Isaiah Bradley. Isaiah Bradley was the FIRST Captain America, pre-Super Soldier serum. He had a prototype version of the serum that was passed along in his genetics to his grandson, who is the black superhero 'Patriot'. Guarantee you he will be Bradley.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 9:25 p.m. CST

    Obama as the guy who will win!

    by Dreadlock Holmes

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Nicolas Cage to play Luke Cage

    by DarthBakpao

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 9:27 p.m. CST

    SHIA LEBEOUF AS IRON FIST!!!

    by BringingSexyBack

    BWAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAAHHAHAHHAHAH AHAAH!!!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 9:27 p.m. CST

    Gee, NiceguyEddie guess all my school reports...

    by Dreadlock Holmes

    On the Tuskegee Airmen was bullshit. Har. Har.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 9:32 p.m. CST

    I WILL DESTROY MARVEL COMICS IF THIS HAPPENS!

    by Bob Cryptonight

    I have a deathray in the basement. I'm not kidding.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 9:32 p.m. CST

    MORI or HARRY

    by th3480

    Any chance that the casting of Will Smith is because Marvel wants to do the "Isiah Bradley" Cap, and not the Steve Rodgers Cap? Just a thought - may be may off base, but the whole "Truth" mini-series that they did a few years back was pretty interesting. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaiah_Bradley

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 9:33 p.m. CST

    Rumor has it Shia will play Robin in Batman 3!

    by ganymede3010

    For real, I read it in Wikipedia. So it has to be true.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 9:34 p.m. CST

    I think they should do Isiah Bradley

    by Dreadlock Holmes

    Considering that so many Steve Rogers fans will shit themselves if WillSmith gets the part.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 9:36 p.m. CST

    Isaiah Bradley, the black Captain America

    by Chishu_Ryu

    I know shit all about teh Captain America universe. Just wiki'd Bradley, and yeah, he's the black Captain America, of a line of African Americans who were tested before Steve Rogers. There you go...

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 9:36 p.m. CST

    This casting is just a really stupid idea

    by GreatCzarsGhost

    nuff said

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 9:42 p.m. CST

    NiceGuyEddie....

    by AnakinsDiapers

    I still don't think you understand wh Mori and others we're going for your balls. It's not about telling a racial joke or being disrespectful to history. Simply put, your initial post sounded genuine. It didn't come off as a joke. Stand outside the box for a moment and read your post as another reader would have. It reads pretty straight. Your following remark about white actors in blackface had enough absurdism in it to be an obvious joke, but by that point you were coming off as a racist who's using snide sarcasm to drive his point. Again, we aren't mind readers here. Your initial post didn't read "joke".

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 9:43 p.m. CST

    Will Smith as Captain America?

    by Hipshot

    Look: I'm black and I don't see it. It shifts the entire focus of the basic C.A. mythology in an odd way--not "stunt" casting but sheer star-vehicle casting, moving away from what made "Iron Man" such a fine movie. The resulting movie might well make a ton of money, but it's a rotten decision.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 9:45 p.m. CST

    USAIN BOLT AS THE FLASH!!!

    by BringingSexyBack

    One can argue that's not really stunt casting.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Joseph Gordon Levitt as Capatin America

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 9:48 p.m. CST

    A good way to waste enough money to save a few starving nations

    by Citizen Sane

    The most uninspired super hero packaged and performed by the most disappointing industry machine. Whatta match!!!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 9:48 p.m. CST

    MICHAEL PHELPS AS THE SUB-MARINER!!!

    by BringingSexyBack

    Nastia Liukin as the bad girl who needs a long spanking!!!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 9:51 p.m. CST

    Is this the first sign of the Apocolypse?

    by My best friend

    This will surely make Al Queda pissed!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 9:52 p.m. CST

    The Lookout was a good movie.

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    And I spelled "Catpain" wrong, damn me. Damn me to Hell!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 9:55 p.m. CST

    FUCK ! THAT ! SHIT!

    by THXER

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 9:56 p.m. CST

    Chuck

    by DarthBakpao

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 9:57 p.m. CST

    Dolph Lundgren to play Shang-Chi!

    by DarthBakpao

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 9:58 p.m. CST

    Chuck Norris as the aging Kato!

    by DarthBakpao

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 9:58 p.m. CST

    If they want a black guy to be Cap, fine...

    by Crimson Dynamo

    but not Big Willy. Is Snipes too old?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Fucking hell, this rumor actually sounds like it could happen

    by JCWolfwood

    Ok, Samuel L. Jackson works as Nick Fury, because of the "Ultimate" series. But there is no reason for Will Smith as Captain America. Even if they want to do the Bradley origin story, they still need to do Steve Roger's origin.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Verne Troyer as Franklin Richards!

    by DarthBakpao

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 10 p.m. CST

    Gary Coleman to play infant Obama

    by DarthBakpao

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 10:01 p.m. CST

    If Smith played Isaiah Bradley....

    by 23GreatWoundsAllGotInBattle

    ...in the beginning and we still have a white Steve Rogers, I'd be all for this. I was very excited about Truth and bought every issue...and it sucked. I always thought it was an awesome idea with very poor execution - a real missed opportunity. I'd like to see it tackled in the movie. But I don't wanna see Will Smith as Steve Rogers, sorry.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 10:04 p.m. CST

    NICEGUYEDDIE AS A TUSKEGEE AIRMAN!!!

    by BringingSexyBack

    Just busting your testicles, Eddie.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Really Captain America?

    by Series7

    Did anyone see Handco.....wait that movie made shit tons of money that the Incredible Hulk didn't. I guess Marvel just wants to make sure they have a hit like Ironman.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 10:05 p.m. CST

    To be honest, the comic book would be better if CAP was black...

    by Bob Cryptonight

    Too bad it was impossible to do back in the 1940s...but the story idea is sound because you can damn well see the U.S. Government experimenting on an African American back then. And the irony would be that Cap then ends up fighting for freedom with the U.S. Army despite it all. But I think it would be a bad idea to make a black Captain America in the movie the same guy they ended up finding frozen in the glacier.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 10:07 p.m. CST

    It could work if...

    by 23GreatWoundsAllGotInBattle

    Bradley gets the serum and acts a kind of mentor to Steve Rogers' Cap. Or...if Bradley disappears at some point and reappears in a sequel on the opposite side, sort of combining Bucky and Isaiah Bradley together.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 10:09 p.m. CST

    To NiceguyEddie

    by JCWolfwood

    My friend was reading "Mein Comf" the other day, and was bitching about people thinking he was a Nazi. I knew he wasn't a Nazi, or had any similar thoughts as the party. But everyone who looked at him thought "Hmmm, he must be a Nazi." Do you see what we mean now. Just because you didn't mean to send out that sorta message, others translated that message as either racist, or just ignorant.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 10:09 p.m. CST

    I like Will but

    by rogueleader66

    I don't want to see him as Capt. America. Nothing about that casting makes sense. I hope it's just a stupid rumor started by someone with a really bad sense of humor. Check out my blog-http://movietalktime.blogspot.com/

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 10:09 p.m. CST

    To NiceguyEddie

    by JCWolfwood

    My friend was reading "Mein Comf" the other day, and was bitching about people thinking he was a Nazi. I knew he wasn't a Nazi, or had any similar thoughts as the party. But everyone who looked at him thought "Hmmm, he must be a Nazi." Do you see what we mean now. Just because you didn't mean to send out that sorta message, others translated that message as either racist, or just ignorant.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 10:10 p.m. CST

    WARWICK DAVIS AS CAPTAIN AMERICA'S SHIELD

    by BringingSexyBack

    I owe that one to the CoCers.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 10:11 p.m. CST

    I like Will but....

    by rogueleader66

    This is not a good casting choice if it is even true. It's probably a bad rumor started by some idiot. Will is a capable actor, but having him as Capt.America just doesn't feel right. I hope it's just a bad joke. Check out my blog-http://movietalktime.blogspot.com/

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 10:12 p.m. CST

    Ooops

    by rogueleader66

    Sorry about the double post guys!!!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 10:14 p.m. CST

    D.L. Hughley for U.S. AGENT!!!

    by SamBlackChvrch21

    Confirmed casting

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 10:17 p.m. CST

    Damn it

    by JCWolfwood

    how did my message to niceguyeddie post twice?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 10:21 p.m. CST

    BSB

    by toadkillerdog

    The CoC thanks you for the shout out and the for the acknowledgement of the demi god known as Warwick Davis

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 10:28 p.m. CST

    Marvel wouldnt be that stupid

    by pipergates

    the studios might be

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 10:28 p.m. CST

    TKD - NO, 'TIS I WHO OWES THE CoC

    by BringingSexyBack

    for your thoroughly entertaining and laughalicious discussions of all things Warwick and Tremors.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Serously though, Don Cheadle....

    by Cletus Van Damme

    ...would be a killer Black Panther.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Jackie Chan as Captain America

    by PTSDPete

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 10:36 p.m. CST

    hmmm lets review shall we?

    by j2talk

    Daredevil= people had a problem with Ben Affleck- me? I liked it, especially the directors cut.... FF=people took issue with jessica alba- again, i didnt think the films(either of them) were that bad.... Captain America with Will Smith????Epic Fail.... Robert Downey JR as Tony Stark?!?!?!Now THAT was perfect casting.....

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Wilford Brimley for Captain America!

    by toadkillerdog

    Who is more Amurrican than The Brim? Who could kick more ass, take more names, and get more ass, than The Brim? No one! The Brim was smacking motards in the forties and is still smacking them today! I say, The Brim IS Captain America!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 10:36 p.m. CST

    JoeVFX's post made my brain hurt

    by half vader

    Fuckin' kids these days and their phone messaging shenanigans...

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 10:39 p.m. CST

    j2talk

    by toadkillerdog

    The Internets were in a tizzy over RDJ as Stark. It was not perfect casting (Stark is better looking, taller, and suave - think Tom Selleck in the 80's), but it turned out perfectly. Same deal with Jackman.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 10:41 p.m. CST

    LMAO...

    by SK229

    at just the 'Warwick Davis as Everyone' TB title. Funny shit!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 10:43 p.m. CST

    Djimon Hounsou...

    by 23GreatWoundsAllGotInBattle

    ..from Blood Diamond would make an awesome Black Panther.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 10:43 p.m. CST

    JCWolfwood

    by DennisMM

    Did you even think to look up the title of Hitler's book before typing your otherwise interesting post? It's "Mein KAMPF." You could have learned that in 30 seconds with any search engine. Really, man, such mistakes reflect poorly upon even an AICN TBer.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 10:45 p.m. CST

    Will Smith should be Luke Cage

    by Nuking the Fridge

    There were scenes where he reminded me of Luke Cage in the movie Hancock, he is well built, and looked like the character. As for Captain America, this character is so visually iconic, I just can not picture him being played by Will Smith. That would be one of the worst castings ever. And the backlash would be ridiculous. I would be very much like to see Arron Eckhardt as Captain, I can totally see that.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 10:46 p.m. CST

    this is great casting

    by BlackJackBauer

    white people dont have a monopoly on this shit anymore. you should be fearful. you are the real minorities. the hegemonic structure of america will end up falling, and we will be watching will smith as capt america when it does. YES!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 10:46 p.m. CST

    Sorry about the typo

    by JCWolfwood

    No one is perfect. At least you got what I was trying to say.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 10:47 p.m. CST

    It is stunt casting because

    by Sanuro

    he can't act. He plays himself in every role, even Ali. Cap is very serious-minded. Smith ain't.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 10:47 p.m. CST

    Mori and NiceGuyEddie and Capt

    by Darwyn

    That's an interesting fight to walk in on. I find it interesting that I find Mori's reviews stunningly brilliant most of the time, yet I usually don't understand the battles he chooses. I agree with AnakinsDiapers, that the issue here was just as likely a case of dry humor gone bad, so why not have the self-awareness to acknowledge the possibility? Frankly, I don't buy the idea that you can't joke about revisionist history - I think revisionist humor is hysterical! You mean there is someone who thinks the Holocaust didn't happen??? I'm in fucking stitches! To make fun of them accordingly isn't inherently evil - perhaps it's in questionable taste in certain forums or at least risky, but with people who know your inclination (other people who know the Holocaust happened, for instance), it's perfectly legit. Yes, funny. Definately doesn't have to be racism to make fun of racists, but for all I know, Eddie may have meant it racistly - I'm just not going to speculate. I draw issue with the harpooning he's getting as if we know for sure he's a friggin died in the wool racist (mentioning that marines are supersoldiers painted you as a kind of conservative archetype in my mind which didn't help, though Eddie) is purely a factor of getting into an argument and not being able to take the gear out of 'escalation.' I find the idea that you can't disrespect history as funny as I did when I thought Eddie actually believed that bullshit. Your talking history, a discipline that only recently stopped being the biased story of what how we became great, he said derisively (not to get down on history, but as a method, it needs other fields to augment it's limitations). Oh, and as a character I don't particularly know or care for, I say with ignorant bliss that I don't care if Will plays him, so long as he doesn't once play it like himself, which is highly unlikely, so yeah, I guess I don't think it's a good idea. However, a black Captain America might provide the post-modern twist of juxtaposing the super-patriotism of a red, white and blue unitard with a man that, under the circumstances, would represent our country's less-than-noble track record on race relations. It could actually make the character interesting.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Funny thing is

    by JCWolfwood

    I did type it in to google to see if I was spelling "Mein Kampf" right.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 10:49 p.m. CST

    Does Anyone Read These Threads ...

    by DennisMM

    before posting the exact same bits of information others already have, acting as if no one had done so earlier? How many times has "Truth: Red, White and Black" been introduced to us now? It first pops up barely 50 posts in, and 640 posts later it's still being touted as if none of us had heard of it!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 10:50 p.m. CST

    Sorry, JC ...

    by DennisMM

    I get unreasonably outraged sometimes. And without right, clearly.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 10:53 p.m. CST

    MEIN BAMPF: THE STORY OF NIGHTCRAWLER

    by BringingSexyBack

    Starring - you guessed it - Will Smith.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 10:53 p.m. CST

    DennisMM

    by JCWolfwood

    It's cool. The internet does these things to people (here is where most people would put "lol," to indicate this is a joke.)

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 10:57 p.m. CST

    Mein Bampf

    by DennisMM

    But would they paint him blue? Would they glue lots of fuzz of any color to his face? He has a fuzzy face, you know, just like the Beast. It's true! (This was an argument I had on AICN's Zone forum 18 months ago.)

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 10:58 p.m. CST

    Mein Camp

    by Chishu_Ryu

    The story of a young Hitler and this one time at band...

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 11 p.m. CST

    Mine Camp

    by DennisMM

    Naw, that makes no sense at all.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 11:02 p.m. CST

    The truth about Will Smith is . . .

    by follyway

    that of all the "rumored" or proposed cap's he gives me the most hope. Most of these guys being mentioned as "dream casting" are far to old or scrawney or subversive. The role requires a physicality and muscularity perhaps more than any other major superhero in my opion. I can buy a more svelt superman I could even see the proposed Pitt casting acceptable for Thor more than capt. Not because of how he is drawn but because he is a god he doesnt need big muscles hes supernatural. Captain America is about taking the human body to its peak and I beleive smith can pull that off more than any other marquee name being thrown around with the exception of Dwayne Johnson. Granted it would require a new framework for capt but if handled correctly could be very interesting.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 11:02 p.m. CST

    Mein Voight-Kampff

    by DennisMM

    It's the dialogue from "Blade Runner" as subtitles for that "Bunker" film that was all over the internet a while back.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 11:10 p.m. CST

    Darwyn

    by toadkillerdog

    He was 'harpooned' long before he decided to say 'it was a joke'. His posts came across not as an attempt at humor - I defy anyone to read his first two posts on that subject and see any attempt at humor in them. No, it appeared that he was sincerely trying to be revisionist and obliquely racist. That is why he was harpooned. After he saw the shitstorm he was tacking into, he changed his tune and said ' it was a joke'. Well, if it was, it was on him. I am still not ceratin he was joking though.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 11:10 p.m. CST

    Black Panther = Chiwetel what's his name

    by Amadeo Zeller

    He played the Opertive in Serenity and he was pretty good in Red Belt. You all know this to be true.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 11:12 p.m. CST

    Forget about race we need a Capt Under 40!!

    by follyway

    Every name thrown out Eckhart, Pitt, Smith, McConaughey are all way too old. He should be the age of a GI wanting to enlist to fight in WW2 not a guy goiong thru a midlife crisis Channing Tatum or some such?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 11:19 p.m. CST

    Because "Truth"...

    by jdb1972

    ... was such a great idea and smash hit. Sigh.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 11:21 p.m. CST

    Will Smith - Steve Rogers?

    by blah13

    Nah. A talent like the Fresh Prince could be val;uable to the movie, but in a lesser role, like buddy from Truth: Red White and Black (i forget the character's name). Steve Rogers is pretty iconic as a white guy with boinde hair, so i would figure the logical choice to play him would be...GORDON RAMSAY!!!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 11:22 p.m. CST

    Barack Obama for Captain America!

    by mitortilla

    It's going to look so forced and retarded if they do give the part to Will Smith, JUST DO A FUCKIN' CAPTAIN AMERICA MOVIE!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 11:22 p.m. CST

    but...

    by blah13

    it's still be better than Cher as Catwoman

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 11:22 p.m. CST

    I'm a little concerned...

    by The Eskimo

    ...over some of the racist overones in this talkback. (Not to say I'm surprised) I agree that it's a stupid idea to cast Will Smith as CAP (because we've seen him in the comics as a white guy for the last forty years- ulinke I Robot who's character was pretty ambiguous- NOT because a black man can't be Capt. America) but there is a real fine line between sarcasm and donwright tastelessness. Of course, a lot of you have a reputation to uphold so who am I to judge.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 11:23 p.m. CST

    i'm sorry...but captain america should be...

    by chaseguy17

    White. I'm already pissed samuel jackson is playing Nick Fury...and lets not even talk about Kingpin in DareDevil. It just destroys the backstories of these characters to make them completely different. I'd be pissed if a white person played Bishop, Storm, Blade etc. The characters should be who they are supposed to be...especially if they plan on making an avengers film. Need I say more than the "Catwoman" film? I love will Smith. He's a great actor, and he makes films sincerely entertaining. He'd be a great green lantern, or bishop, warmachine. Seriously...i think they could make a pretty badass bishop movie with will smith. But Captain America was a cliche posterboy for the anti nazi soldier. It should be kept that way. That's who the character is. Now if they want to do something where the original dies...and will smith takes over...I guess I could live with that. But Steve Rogers...keep him how he is.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Perfect Casting

    by IndoorPlumbing

    Mark-Paul Gosselar = Captain America. Zack Morris? Yep. Awesome? Yep. Could it be more obvious? Nope.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 11:26 p.m. CST

    On second thought...

    by Darwyn

    Okay, I'll give you this Toadkillerdog - it's more than likely he wasn't joking. I personally don't think he's an asshole or a douchebag if his grandfather filled his head with garbage, or some racist community or family similarly twisted him, if he did intend it that way. That said, I still maintain that the remote possibility that Mr foot-in-mouth might have had a moment (or a life trend) of complete lack of social awareness in thinking that the joke was so obvious it didn't need overt signs it was a joke. I have to say, I am inclined to think that a comment about the Tuskegee Airmen being a hoax has to be a joke, because statistically, people who believe that shit are few and far between. Because of inclinations like that, I've made jokes before that I assumed had to be taken as such, but were not, and maybe I'm sensitive to the phenomena. However, I conceed, we probably did stumble on just such an breed.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 11:27 p.m. CST

    Seriously? Perfect Casting?

    by IndoorPlumbing

    Mark-Paul Gosselar? Really? YES.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 11:31 p.m. CST

    no no no no

    by slkboxrman

    i love will smith, but cptn america cant be black.... i dont care if nick fury and kingpin were cast with big name black actors but neither one was the main star of the movie, nor the superhero in each movie...if the hero himself is black then thats fine..... just imagine if they did cast a white on white dude to play "black panther" ...im sure there would be an uproar also..

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 11:31 p.m. CST

    Will Smith For Bishop In A Cable Movie

    by Media Messiah

    Now I could go for that, but Chiwetel Ejiofor is my favorite new actor in a generation. I don't know about Will in back to back super hero films, perhaps if he played a villain would be interesting?<BR><BR>I could see Ejiofor as Luke Cage and Smith as his evil nemesis. Will needs a change, a chance for him to deliver his Joker, or Lex Luthor...not literally, not that he is a Heath Ledger, but you see what the Joker role did for Ledger. It's time for Will Smith to play against type instead of always playing the hero...it is time for him to play the villain and expand on what he can do as an actor.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Am I the only one concerned . . .

    by follyway

    not at the names attached to these cating rumours, but that they are so rampant and we dont have anyone at the helm yet? Priority number one is a quality Captain America film. As someone who has multiple Capt statues it scares me that we've been hearing casting rumors for months but nothing on potential director's. Let's remeber Marvel wanted nothing to do with Downey it was Favreau who convinced them to even consider it before closing the deal with a reading. Look back when Ledger was brought on as the Joker, people were losing their minds. But, to hear Nolan tell it that was his guy from the word go no question. I guesse what Im saying is regardles of who is cast from A list to unknown I want to know that the casting is serving a specific vision other than green for the execs, rather than a vision adopted to support the casting!

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Bucky will be Martin Short

    by kirttrik

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Role of a lifetime

    by IndoorPlumbing

    http://www.bagofnothing.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/markpaulgosselaar.jpg

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Directed by Micheal "SuperAwesome" Bay

    by kirttrik

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 11:35 p.m. CST

    This may have been said already...

    by IronSpidey

    But Nathan Fillion would make a good Cap. Also, I refuse to believe this could be true.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Oops, I meant Martin Lawrence as Bucky but...

    by kirttrik

    ...Short would work too. I always thought InnerSpace was under rated.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 11:37 p.m. CST

    Captain Africa

    by Ricky Retardo

    Why not have Will Smith as an African super-hero who fights Arab Muslim slavers operating in the Sudan today? Or fighting a villian like Marxist dictator, Robert Mugabe?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 11:38 p.m. CST

    I hope this film is sent WW2, frozen, in modern day.

    by kirttrik

    Otherwise what's the point.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 11:40 p.m. CST

    How come Will Smith can't be Black Panther

    by kirttrik

    he's in the Avengers. I mean it would be like Keanu Reeves playing Luke Cage, or...Black Panther

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 11:42 p.m. CST

    Micheal Jackson as the Red Skull.

    by kirttrik

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 11:42 p.m. CST

    WILL SMITH WILL MAKE A GREAT CAPTAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by Illuminate

    I grew up reading Captain America, Avengers, Thor and Spider-Man, I even collected the older ones on sale at the comic store. My favorite Captain America went nuts on the Super-Soldier serium and had more of a personality. Let's face it, I am a Captain America comic lover but, Captain America can be boring sometimes. The last thing I want is for them to cast someone who looks as pretty as Captain America does and he ends up being as one-dimensional as Thomas Jane did for the Punisher. We all know that blacks where in WW2. The new Spike Lee movie trailer looks awesome. Will Smith can play a great Captain America and stick to it's origins. Plus, it would make more sense that they are testing an serum on a black man. Considering how America screwed over the black man in the early 20th century would make Captain America have more depth showing that he still loves his country. Also, Nick Fury was boring until they made him into Samuel L. Jackson. Nich Fury comics where never really hot sellers and I hardly ever (like for years) saw them in the comic store. But, when they added personality. Overall, Smith can still stick to the Captain America origins and he can add depth to the real USA without any sugarcoated bullshit. The movie will make a hundred million more if they cast Will Smith.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 11:42 p.m. CST

    Webster as Bucky

    by kirttrik

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 11:48 p.m. CST

    I meant set in WW2, not sent

    by kirttrik

    I'm a complete fuck-up tonight. Illuminate has a point. I just don't think Smith is that good of actor. What about Chiwetel Ejiofor from Red Belt, he's ten times the actor Smith is. And he can believably kick ass on film.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 11:54 p.m. CST

    Chiwetel Ejiofor would be better than Will Smith

    by kirttrik

    if the angle of the film is going to follow what Illuminate pointed out. I'm not too familiar with Cap America, is there any pinnacle series point that defines him like Daredevil(F.Miller), Hulk(Grey Hulk/P.David), or Batman(F.Miller/Moore/Morrison/etc.)? I mean outside of that publicity stunt that followed in the path of Superman.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 11:55 p.m. CST

    What's the best Cap America story arc/ Graphic Novel?

    by kirttrik

    I'm just not too familiar with the character, if anyone has any suggestions let me know.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 11:55 p.m. CST

    Hey Darwyn...

    by Boo Cocky

    "However, a black Captain America might provide the post-modern twist of juxtaposing the super-patriotism of a red, white and blue unitard with a man that, under the circumstances, would represent our country's less-than-noble track record on race relations. It could actually make the character interesting." So we should cast a member of our Olympic track team?

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 11:57 p.m. CST

    Cap should be white....but

    by AnakinsDiapers

    The oh so tired rebuttal, "random white actor should be black Panther / storm / luke cage etc., etc." is just a lame argument. Y'see, for many of the scarce prominent black characters out there, being black is a primary part of their self image. It is tied inherently into the character. The Black Panther is an African king. Guess what? black. Storm is an African who was worshipped as a goddess in her youth. Guess what? black. Luke Cage was the inner city black youth that fell into trouble but eventually made good. luke Cage is Shaft with super strength and steel hard skin. Guess what? black. Bishop? He's some guy from the future. There isn't a thing in his backstory or general character that neccessitates he be black. So really, the only thing that would make me annoyed by casting Bishop white is the lack of black superheroes on the screen in the first place. it's not as if there's a plethora of well known or historicly prominent black superheroes to choose from.

  • Sept. 9, 2008, midnight CST

    Isiah Bradley Cameo

    by samurai sark

    thats my two cents. It'd be nice to see Will Smith's ego play a cameo role, but no way is he being considered for Steve Rogers. <br><br> Now Wentworth Miller, he'd be a cool Steve Rogers. I am aware he's English, but he's pretty no-nonesense in Prison Break.<br><br> Max Von Sydow for Red Skull.

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 12:01 a.m. CST

    Jason Stratham want's to be Daredevil.

    by AnakinsDiapers

    And though i like him as an actor, that would piss me off to no end. Will he wear a red wig? Can he do an american accent? In the unlikely event a sequel gets underway, will he be asked to do these things? Makes me cringe.

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 12:02 a.m. CST

    Paul Walker for Cap

    by samurai sark

    If you haven't seen 'Running Scared', Paul Walker actually does some ACTING!

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 12:04 a.m. CST

    I'd pay to see Statham as DD

    by samurai sark

    but only if it was directed by Guy Ritchie

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 12:06 a.m. CST

    what was my point about DD again?....

    by AnakinsDiapers

    ...oh, right: Casting Matt Murdock black, or english for that matter, would piss me off because Matt Murdock being Irish Catholic is a huge part of his character. It shapes too much of what he is as a person that changing that would make me ask, "then why do a daredevil movie?"

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 12:06 a.m. CST

    Who's cast as the Mutha Fuckin Brown Hornet?

    by conspiracy

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 12:12 a.m. CST

    Wentworth Miller is half black

    by Amadeo Zeller

    These fanboys will definitely find fault with that.

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 12:13 a.m. CST

    If Miller were running for president

    by samurai sark

    that'd be considered all black. Just an observation.

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 12:15 a.m. CST

    Should "The Mandarin"

    by samurai sark

    be Asian? Hmm...

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 12:16 a.m. CST

    Irish Catholic DD

    by samurai sark

    They really should have hired Colin Farrel then. He was wasted as Bullseye. <br><br>Is it too late for Sean Bean, or does DareDevil HAVEW to be young?

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 12:47 a.m. CST

    Boo Cocky

    by Darwyn

    Sure, the olympic track team represents America at the games, but correct me if I'm wrong, Captain America is supposed represent the character of America. I think it'd be funny to make the symbol of American pride black, given that so many people in this country aren't prepared to represent themselves abstractly through a black character, much less make one the symbol of America. I would find that an amusing paradox, wouldn't you?</p> <p> Just as these times would call for any biography on Jessie Owens to examine the double standard of making him our hero and second-class citizen, these times would read a fictious take on a similar scenario (black symbol of America) for the deep contradictions in it.

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 12:51 a.m. CST

    I Didn't Know Steve Rogers Had Died...

    by Rogue Planet

    ...in the comics. I mean, I didn't even know he was *sick*. Sorry, I know...bad joke. Either way, much as I like Will Smith, it's just a bad idea. Nice to see that it's just a fake rumor after all.

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 1:41 a.m. CST

    Chiwetel Ejiofor - you talkbackers are too funny!

    by half vader

    Man, and YOU all complain about stunt casting!! <p> Imagine if this was a few years back and the last thing you'd seen him in was Kinky Boots, not Redbelt... Tools.

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 3:27 a.m. CST

    Everyone references Nick Fury..

    by malificus

    ..but it's not really a fair comparison. Nick Fury is a dated second bananna, and as much as I love the character his look was cliche'd in the 60's. I'm not pericularly a fan of Sam Jackson as Nick Fury, not because he's black but simply because I'm goddawful SICK of Sam Jackson. Give it a rest already. I don't think race is THAT big an issue as far as Cap goes, he's actually my favorite character but even at that a black man during WW2 would definitely give some depth to a character that's always struggled with seeming very one-dimensional. I Started reading Cap in the 120's and tho I don't read the current crop of Marvel crap (Kill Cap? Fuck you!!Bucky staying dead was the only thing that saved Marvel's soul for years)I still love the character and I don't think Smith is suited for the role, NOR do I believe there's any serious offer out there. Brad Pitt for Thor though, my wife groans but I'm bringing her around.It's not about the muscles, the characters have to be done by great actors, see Iron Man and the Hulk for reference.

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 4:29 a.m. CST

    Is blackness inherit to Blade?

    by David Cloverfield

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 5:06 a.m. CST

    TSquared's Idea is Good

    by bottombrick

    for a one-off, but for a movie building up to the Avengers flick the closer they stay to the Classic the better. And as high water marks for repugnant shit NiceGuyEddie defending himself and Jack'sUserId calling the black guy he was yelling at Shitlocks made me physically sick. Its great that you save the bans for people who hate the scriptgirl videos, and the most flak you can catch in a talkback like this is if you spell Hitler's book wrong.

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 5:32 a.m. CST

    John McCain As The Bitter Old Man Who Lost The Election

    by LaserPants

    Once you start trying to awkwardly hijack the other guys message ("change"), then, sorry, you lost. It doesn't matter if your running mate is a relatively attractive Nazi Xtian, she's still a Nazi Xtian. Changes nothing. Time to drink your cup of sorrow, John, and retire.

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 6:02 a.m. CST

    Laser giving advice on winning elections?

    by JackRabbitSlim

    That would be ... 0 for 11 years last i checked. Oh and have you forgotten - Barack the Xtian has that lovely Jesus on his side too - that sneaky fucker apparently is endorsing both sides in this election.

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 6:08 a.m. CST

    Seriously - how do atheists vote for Barack

    by JackRabbitSlim

    It must be annoying to see the savior spouting out such tripe as "I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ." Just asking.

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 6:09 a.m. CST

    "inherit" to Blade?

    by half vader

    What ARE you talking about man?

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 6:15 a.m. CST

    WHOOPI GOLDBERG AS THE MARTIAN MANHUNTER!!!

    by BringingSexyBack

    It could happen in our lifetime! Change is coming! Fight with me!!!

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 6:18 a.m. CST

    Micheal Caine met with Chris nolan sometime after..

    by emeraldboy

    batman begins and Caine said Chris there is no way you can top Batman begins. Caine revealed that Nolan said to him I going to bring back the joker to which caine replied Holy Shit. are you going to get jack nicholson. Caine was the first person to hear that nolan had got the late Heath Legder. and caine felt there was no way nolan could top Batman Begins and Caine said that he was wrong and that Nolan did. Caine said that he had heard the rumours about the villains for the next batman film and admitted there had been talks. Rumours are flying around that WB has decided who the next villains will be and who will play them. Caine talked to Nolan and caine said that he didnt know if nolan could top Dark Knight. Caine revealed that Nolan had mentioned Depp as the riddler and Philip Seymour hoffman as the penguin. if there is to be a third movie and nobody knows at this stage if there will be. The idea for the penguin is that he will be an arms dealer. This was all on Dark Horizons. Its all bs at this stage of course. interesting none the less.

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 6:19 a.m. CST

    JACKRABBIT'S TRYING TO DERAIL THE TALKBACK

    by BringingSexyBack

    No politicking before 9:00AM EST. Read the rules.

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 6:21 a.m. CST

    I think guy ritchie should do a...

    by emeraldboy

    comic book film. with Jason Statham. produced/wriiten by Luc Besson and directed Louis Letterier.

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 6:21 a.m. CST

    OMG DEPP AS RIDDLER AND HOFFMAN AS PENGUIN

    by BringingSexyBack

    That would be amazing. I'm fucking serious. And after Heath's performance, Nolan COULD get those two actors. This is good new.s

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 6:31 a.m. CST

    BSB

    by just pillow talk

    Please take a look at the second comment in this thread. You will see that you are more CoC leaning than you first realized...

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 6:52 a.m. CST

    No way Smith will be Cap

    by Dazzler69

    Nobody would accept that accept race baiters. Will is doing great as Hancock, let him keep doing that. Cap in the 40's had to be white for America at that time in history for real soldiers fighting overseas. If it was made for the first time these days it would be ok.

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 7:33 a.m. CST

    Mori

    by cineninja

    Seriously...Robert Downey Jr in Black Face...forgotten Tropic Thunder already? Your kneejerk reaction to his joke, funny or not, is way disproportionate to the joke. You better ban Tropic Thunder now...or Dont mess With The Zohan. For all the blatant trolling Bullshit I see on this sight that is FAR more upsetting and vile methinks you protest to much and the issue is your own. What I DID find offensive was you comparing his joke to Holocaust Denial so maybe take a look at yourself and what irresponsible things YOU post before cracking on someone else. Even if it WASNT a joke comparing the severity of whether the Airman or the Fighting 44th existed to genocide...well...not even close. That being said Im tired of Hollywoods revisionist history. Lets take a character like Black Panther and have Woody Harrelson play him...or Luke Cage played by Hulk Hogan. Lets stop supporting this overly PC Hollywood Crap...Steve Rogers is Blond Haired and blue eyed. He grew up in New York but not in Harlem and when he tried to join teh Army they said no because he was frail not black. This whole thing is such a blatant publicity stunt and it would backfire badly. They didnt make Superman a redheaded Irishman like myself. They didnt make Spiderman Latino...they didnt make Starbuck a girl...ooops....strike that. The point is its freakin patronizing politically correct stunt casting bullshit and its not a change thats even REMOTELY organic to the Cap mythos. If they pull this shit they will not get another dime from me on principle and I am a Will Smith fan. So lay off Eddie...it was apparent to some of us that it was a joke and far LESS offensive then a lot of teh stuff this site lets slide.

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 8:02 a.m. CST

    Be Careful

    by BeyondStatic

    If Superman won't work in this day and age, what chance does Capt. America have? These are trying times with the world and our nation as it is. We're looking for a hero, but he has to be right, tough, and inspire hope and pride in being a unified people. Smith can play that - he can play anything! But the script... the script has to be good... no, the script has to be great! If it's not, Cap won't have a chance. Plus... and I don't know that I want to go here, treading carefully... a message of hope, unity, and togetherness is working for Obama. Capt. America should stand on his own as a movie, as a superhero, and not too closely parallel, reference, or try to become, the Barack Obama movie.

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 9:19 a.m. CST

    PILLOW - DAMN YOU

    by BringingSexyBack

    Sorry for aping your post, but the fact of the matter is CoC has infected my thinking. I feel like the Manchurian Candidate. What have you done to meee!!!!?!?!

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Not a bad idea..

    by Quicksilver73

    I think if it was done right with a good director it could work. Have it be that the WW2 propaganda does focus on the typical white boy next door hero in the mask. However, the super solider serum only worked on Isaiah. Isaiah is the real Captain America that the public does not and would not even know about him, until the Avengers movie.

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 10:01 a.m. CST

    cineninja

    by NiceGuyEddie19

    Having thought about it overnight, I can't help but feel a little bit put upon. People started laughing at the joke, then Mori showed up and the same people who were laughing started busting my balls. And I meant to point out how inappropriate and oversensitive it was to compare my joke to holocaust deniers, essentially labelling me a Nazi for making a blackface joke, but I didn't think I could without being banned. Bottom line, it was not in the best taste, but RE: whoever said that my initial post looked too serious for anyone to take it as a joke: what good is a joke with no setup? I definitely won't be making any jokes about blackface anymore, if I do continue to post here, or perhaps even any comments asserting that there is a double standard concerning what is considered racist. The shame of it all is that I used to like Mori's articles and usually tried to stick up for him when people called him a name dropping, pretentious prick. I never thought that of him, but the way he reacted to my joke and got so personal, I don't know if I can read his work anymore without feeling kind of uncomfortable.

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 10:15 a.m. CST

    holocaust denial can be funny too

    by lilgorgor

    http://content.ytmnd.com/content/e/6/d/e6d4e968759009d64f2c5e35f8b8700d.jpg

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 10:16 a.m. CST

    wait here is a link that works

    by lilgorgor

    http://jjjameson.ytmnd.com/

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 10:33 a.m. CST

    BSB

    by just pillow talk

    Nothing that wasn't needed I assure you.<p>Now execute order 66.

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 10:42 a.m. CST

    It seems as if...

    by Darth Macchio

    ...castings like this are designed to shove any negative reaction back into fan's faces. How can you react to casting a major character as a different race without being labeled a racist? Forget logic, modus operandi, reason, etc, you either love it or you are a racist?<p>I, for one, wouldn't mind seeing Thomas Jane in a re-imagination of Blade and if you think a white guy couldn't do that role then you're obviously a racist. What's the big deal after all?

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Nic Cage as Luke Cage

    by Melvin_Pelvis

    That's Power Man, baby!

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 12:46 p.m. CST

    I've been saying Djimon Honsou should be Black Panther

    by wookie1972

    ...for a long, long time, pretty much every since Gladiator. For one thing, he's ACTUALLY AFRICAN. Statham and Ritchie should redo Hellblzaer properly. I've also said that they should redo Howard the Duck properly (Coen Bros directing, CGI duck with Steve Buscemi doing the voice) but nobody believes me.

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 1:50 p.m. CST

    GORDON RAMSAY FOR CPT. AMERICA!!!

    by blah13

    Samo Hung as Bucky/Winter Soldier Vince Vaughn as Red Skull John Cena is The Marine Badda-climp, Badda-CLAMP!!

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 4:07 p.m. CST

    John McCain As CAPTAIN ALSO-RAN (AND LOST)

    by LaserPants

    Sarah Palin as CAPTAIN CYNICAL PLOY TO GET HILLARY VOTES THAT FAILS TO DO SO and/or CAPTAIN NAZI XTIAN MILF and/or CAPTAIN FIRST SHE WAS FOR THE "BRIDGE TO NOWHERE" UNTIL THE FED PULLED THE FUNDING WHEREBY SHE CHANGED HER MIND AND PRETENDED TO BE AGAINST IT FROM THE GET-GO and/or CAPTAIN OUT-OF-TOUCH and/or CAPTAIN RIDING-THE-COAT-TAILS-TO-FAILURE etc. etc. et al.

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 4:23 p.m. CST

    NiceGuyEddie...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... you're really still trying to peddle the idea that it was all just an elaborate joke gone wrong. <P><I>Really?</I> <P>If your first post had been the one where you said it was Robert Downey Jr. and your grandfather and some other people in blackface, that's a joke. I still don't think it's a particularly funny one, but that is, by any definition, a joke. <P>Simply posting on a talkback that was already awash in ugly racial tension "There were no Tuskeegee Airmen" is not a joke. <P>If you still don't see the difference, and you STILL want to make this about how big and mean I am, fine. But I am comfortable with having called you out on the kind of comment that could have turned a talkback that makes ME deeply uncomfortable into the sort of thing that makes me regret the Internet entirely. All it takes is one match to a powder keg to set it off, and your first post was a match, nothing more.

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Samuel Jackson as Nick Fury

    by Reelheed

    Didn't even raise an whimper. Why? Because 'Ultimates' said it was ok. So if there has been a black Cap in the marvel 101 already then whats the problem here?

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 7 p.m. CST

    Mori, explain to me what you really thought it was

    by NiceGuyEddie19

    Do you think I had some cockeyed theory that I intended to unveil upon you all, some fanatical racist belief, deeply held and formulated of hate? I had no such thought, theory, or idea. I said it knowing someone would ask what I meant, and then I was going to drop the Downey Jr. answer on them. I intended to point out how people get so uptight about these things. Granted, I shouldn't have used the TA's as joke fodder, but I hardly think it makes me a Nazi. Don't you think that was just a little heavy handed? On some points I agree with cineninja and others who have sided with me; if you want to continue to look down your nose at me, then fine. But can you concede at all that the two of us MAY have had a misunderstanding, that yours is not the only opinion out there, and some other people here have seen it for what it might be?

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Jokes 101

    by ugh

    The medium used to tell a joke is extremely important. NiceGuyEddie19 forgot that he was attempting a racially charged joke over the internet, where no one is able see the visual subtleness of the setup, replacing it with a vague text hoping we would "get it". In other words, it was poorly structured and the obvious end result was anger. Also, NiceGuyEddie19 needs to accept constructive criticism instead of assuming that he is only being attacked by Moriaty and others. When you have such an epic fail, you have to "man up" and explain yourself, whether you like to or not. start here: http://www.stand-upcomedy.com/lib-glos.htm or better yet, here: http://www.sfcomedycollege.com/

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 7:27 p.m. CST

    Alright...

    by NiceGuyEddie19

    Constructive criticism? What's constructive about Moriarty making fast assumptions about my character based on five words and having him attack me based on that assumption, so that a dozen people who initially thought it was funny could turn tail and side with him and join in on the bashing, ignoring the punchline of the joke and reacting only to the setup? Just because it was a white guy setting up a joke based on race? Also, "epic fail" may be popular internet lingo, but is grammatically incorrect. That's grammar 101. Man up.

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 7:32 p.m. CST

    LiberalWarrior

    by NiceGuyEddie19

    Bullshit. Total bullshit. I realize revisionism exists, but what you fail to recognize is that I wasn't engaging in it. I was setting up a punchline. And what is with this snowball effect argument? You think if someone denies that my jolly ranchers were stolen off my desk that somehow that will end up with everyone denying the holocaust? If you'll notice, there is also the small matter of the fact that denying the holocaust is denying a historical tragedy, where denying the airmen, should someone really do so, would be denying a historical triumph. I can just smell the douche in this TB.

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 8:01 p.m. CST

    LiberalWarrior

    by NiceGuyEddie19

    Your name is an oxymoron, and you, simply a moron. Be gone.

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 8:03 p.m. CST

    Axe to grind against Mori?

    by NiceGuyEddie19

    Oh I can't fucking imagine who would want to do that. Fuck you, cocksucker. You are officially non existant.

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 8:34 p.m. CST

    "Alright...."

    by ugh

    NiceGuyEddie19, you are obviously too fucking stupid to know the difference between someone attacking you for what you did and someone defending you. I WAS DEFENDING YOU, DIPSHIT! You tried to make a joke and fucked up. Big time! You stated "that a dozen people who initially thought it was funny...", yet I'm still trying to find the initial statement of these so called "dozen" (not an implication of embellishment, I just can't find said statements). Justifiably, you were being attacked. Rightfully so, you "maned up" and explained yourself (or at least tried to). Many responded, some acknowledging your intentions and were merely offering advice and suggestions. I decided to go a step further when I realized that no one had presented the angle that I gave. If you had an ounce of intelligence, you would have noticed that at no time did I make a reference to your race. The fact that you have revealed yourself to be white in your response to me SHOWS THAT YOU HAVE ASSUMED THAT I CARED. I STILL DON'T CARE WHAT RACE YOU ARE. I had not even questioned your character nor taken sides...at least until now. "Also "epic fail" may be popular internet lingo, but is grammatically incorrect. That's grammar 101." (that's your statement, btw) Hey dumbass, when the hell has "internet lingo" ever been grammatically correct!? In all honesty, the simple fact that you are easily offended and completely defensive to what we all are saying to you proves that your level of maturity, intelligence and cultural exposure is severely lacking and you had no business to begin with in attempting such a joke. It's simply beyond your ability to comprehend. Now go get a tissue to dry your tears and take a deep breath so you can stop whining like a fucking cunt bitch, Eddie. You've already admitted that you were wrong and it should have been the end of it. There is no shame in admitting fault. It shows humility. Instead, you insist on justifying your actions and intent. That is shameful and in turn, you deserve all of the insults being thrown back in your face. (...Attacking the people who are defending you -- what a fucking idiot you are!)

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 8:39 p.m. CST

    This has gotten to be so intelligent...

    by NiceGuyEddie19

    That I think I'm gonna just uh, let you guys have at it. Have fun. You too, Mori. Enjoy bashing and villifying me. With your very brave and unique positions, not at all exactly like mainstream media bullshit. Ugh, have fun with your dumb ass insults, though, know I wont be reading them. Later guys, have fun.

  • Stupid little boy, the damage to your character was not by our hands, but your own.

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 9:43 p.m. CST

    It was just a bad joke, everyone calm down...

    by The Eskimo

    ...Eddie, please admit in hindsight that perhaps you would've acheived the "punchline" (which was a good initial idea...I guess, with the Tropic Thuder reference in mind which I didn't get at first) in a different fashion...and everyone else stop crucifying the poor guy. He's didn't do anything different than all the other "shock value" posters out there (except maybe get too defensive about it). Oh and Eddie my friend, (I can't believe I'm saying this) lay off Mori...he's always had a strong opinion about things and I'm sure it's nothing personal against you. Mori (in my experience) does not often back down from his points, and that in fact is one reason a lot of us (again, can't believe I'm saying this) really respect (granted, sometime reluctantly) his stuff on this site.

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 9:44 p.m. CST

    CAP

    by aabiohazard1972

    OK I like Will Smith, he personally would be a great falcon; or even be a great black panther; Not Steve Rogers personally I think of only two actors that could play him and one might be the best these two are Matthew McConaughey or Marc Blucas he played Riley Finn on Buffy (best I think for the role)

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 9:45 p.m. CST

    "Truce?" Come on...

    by The Eskimo

    ...all you have to do is type it, post it, and forget it.

  • Sept. 10, 2008, 4:47 a.m. CST

    Eddie...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... I never said you were a Nazi or anything of the sort. I said that your joke was ugly and unpleasant. And that in a talkback already tense like this one, thanks to the rampant undercurrent of real racism that exists in fandom (something I've mentioned before, and which always seems to be confirmed by some of the folks who show up in talkbacks like these), that sort of "joke" really isn't funny or appropriate. <P>I don't know you. I don't know anything about you. But I still think your joke is ugly, and considering that's been my ONLY POINT this entire talkback, I don't see where I owe anyone an apology. <P>You, on the other hand, went right to the "Well, I used to think people were wrong when they said you were a name-dropping prick." I called you no such thing, and I didn't call you personally anything. My comment was always about your "joke." And you'll notice... you weren't kicked. You weren't banned. Nothing. All I did was tell you how offensive I found it.

  • Sept. 10, 2008, 4:51 a.m. CST

    Last time they ruined Nick Fury in IRON MAN, now this?!?!

    by Monkey_King

    MARVEL is seriously going down the toilet with the casting of their films.

  • Sept. 10, 2008, 9:36 a.m. CST

    For my two cents

    by Eats_sandwich_gets_laid.

    <p> Nothing was funnier than LiberalWarrior saying that the gloves are off, and then spewing obscenities as if they were the equivalent of a bare knuckled punch.</p> Honestly people, it's behavior like this (on both sides) that makes up 99% of the reasons this site can suck.

  • Sept. 10, 2008, 5:59 p.m. CST

    wookie1972

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    absolutely perfect casting for black panther - but Djimon aint getting any younger - soon he will be too old - or he could be the original panther and the movie can center around his younger heir

  • Sept. 10, 2008, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Domi'sInnerChild

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    im the only person that i know that thinks serena williams is hot - hot as in "everytime i see her i cant help thinking of mounting her" - my friends think im nuts - but she is hot - she wouldnt make a good she-hulk though - i see her in some period sword and sandal flick or fantasy flick (conan?) playing a female warrior - a nubian warrior queen - she is built like a Frazetta girl

  • Sept. 10, 2008, 6:39 p.m. CST

    TheRealMoriarty

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    excellent retort - if you were asked, would you take a tv gig? - you should man - movie reviews and analysis interspersed with round table discussions - think the McLaughlin group, but for geeks - im serious - and if you look anything like your cartoon avatar, how could it not be a huge hit

  • Sept. 10, 2008, 6:49 p.m. CST

    wookie1972, i hear ya man

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    ive been saying they should make a "Goon" movie for years now - animated and rated R - finally someone is - Fincher no less

  • Sept. 13, 2008, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Chishu_Ryu said...

    by Bunyon Snipe

    "In the new movies, the Super Soldier serum comes from the Incredible Hulk" No it doesn't it came from a WWII experiment, Captain America!

  • Sept. 13, 2008, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Chishu_Ryu said...

    by Bunyon Snipe

    "In the new movies, the Super Soldier serum comes from the Incredible Hulk" No it doesn't it came from a WWII experiment, Steve Rodgers! Smith is too old, as is Eckhart, Rodgers should be between 20 and 30!

  • Sept. 13, 2008, 2:22 p.m. CST

    by Bunyon Snipe

    oops, am repeating myself, sorry