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Aaron Eckhart Discusses The Future Of Harvey Dent! Do Not Read If You Haven't Seen THE DARK KNIGHT!

Beaks here... Though I thought it was incredibly apparent that Harvey Dent/Two-Face was dead at the end of THE DARK KNIGHT, there are those who insist that he's not "movie dead" because we don't follow the character's corpse from embalming to interment (as has been the custom since Porter's THE GREAT TRAIN ROBBERY). Since I was fortunate enough to snag an interview with Aaron Eckhart today at the TOWELHEAD junket, I decided to ask him what he thought about such speculation.

Beaks: And now the obligatory question: can you conceive of any way in which you might be back in--

Aaron Eckhart: (Laughs) No.

Beaks: Not a chance?

Eckhart: No. I'm dead. I couldn't even get the words out of my mouth. "Hey, Chris, am I--?" "No. You're dead. You're dead."

Beaks: Because there has been a discussion amongst some fans about how he's never seen in the coffin.

Eckhart: Well, it'd be easier than anything to bring him back, but... it's like Chris said on the tour. He wasn't thinking about the next movie when he made [THE DARK KNIGHT]. All the vegetables were in this stew. I think that this franchise has shown that it doesn't have to bring back characters. I mean, there's still Catwoman. I've heard Angelina Jolie really wants to do Catwoman; I think that's a fantastic idea. I'll be a happy audience member this time. And what's gone on with Heath and everything... I think Heath was the one that was going to come back. And since he can't... (Pauses) You know, Chris hasn't said that he's going to make another one.

Beaks: True. He's been on vacation. I spoke to David Goyer at Comic Con, and he said there have been no discussions.

Eckhart: (Smiling) He never said he's going to make another one. I'm sure they drove the Brinks truck up to his house and dumped money on his lawn. But I think Chris wants to go out and make other movies, too. And he should. He's an independent filmmaker at heart. He's got a lot of ideas.

Beaks: He's also got THE PRISONER somewhere in development. Maybe there would be something for you in that?

Eckhart: Give him a call. I mean, I'd love to work with Chris again. But he and Christian [Bale] have such a great thing going.



Case closed. I'll have more TOWELHEAD related commentary from Eckhart next week.

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  • Sept. 3, 2008, 8:51 p.m. CST

    Well...

    by Filmcaptain

    That's that.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 8:52 p.m. CST

    leave this the end nolan

    by lbayniner

    it was perfect

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 8:55 p.m. CST

    There's no way he can top DARK KNIGHT.

    by MaxTheSilent

    I'd love Nolan to do the ultimate act of artistic integrity and admit that and step away from the series.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 8:55 p.m. CST

    Good

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    I'm glad he's dead, and I'd be fine without another film in this iteration of the character. I think it would probably have been dependent on the Joker, and there aint gonna be any more Joker. Just drop it; better to let it go than contrive a sequel when there isn't one to be made.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Man...does that ever suck!

    by Jobacca

    Seriously....its a huge problem with the movie. Harvey Dent BARELY turns into Two-Face and then when he does they kill him off by having him...fall down? LAME! It makes no sense to finally give a charatcer his due after all these years and then throw him away. Would it really have ruined the movie if they re-wrote the ending and had him wind up in Arkham? Or at the very least,given him a death worthy of one of Batmans deadliest villians. Two-Face fall down and go die!

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 8:58 p.m. CST

    we don't need a third batman

    by GravitysRainbow

    I don't think it could be topped.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 8:59 p.m. CST

    There was a coffin? I thought it was just people standing there

    by TallBoy66

    Don't remember seeing a coffin on screen when Gordon does his mini-speech at the end. And pictures of Harvey. That's a shame if Two-Face is dead and gone because I thought they could have done so much with Two-Face - they never got into the split personality that much. Hell, there's Part 3 right there, Harvey vs. Two-Face's personality.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 8:59 p.m. CST

    Dark Knight was very, very good...

    by Badass_Harry_Callahan

    but can definatly be improved upon and was no way near as great as everyone makes it out to be. It is not better than Batman Begins at all. I have seen it 4 times now and each time I really enjoy it, but each time I notice little flaws and realize that it is not as great as it has been made out to be and is in fact slightly overrated. The difference between TDK and BB is I love BB a bit moe each time I see it and get annoyed a but more each time I see TDK.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 9:02 p.m. CST

    RE:AND

    by Phategod2

    wow I'm amazed at the astounding arguments and eloquence of this conservative. I'd love to see or hear a interview Nolan post TDK. I'd love to know how will he turn down the Money you know the WB will throw at him as well as oppertunity to outdo his self.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 9:03 p.m. CST

    OH, and I say recast the Joker if he is detrimental to the story

    by Badass_Harry_Callahan

    Heath was very good in the role, but was far from irreplacable. Many peole can play this role just as good as Heath.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 9:04 p.m. CST

    They will offer Nolan ridiculous amounts

    by Fineus Fog

    of cash to make another film. I think he should just walk away for a few years and make another great film like The Prestige and if - and only if he wants to, make another Batman - but how do you top the Dark Knight????

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 9:07 p.m. CST

    Yeah, just like...

    by loodabagel

    Sam Raimi publicly vowed to never put Venom into a Spider-Man movie. Anything can happen, and until I see a preview for Batman 7, I'll remain skeptical. I still think the next movie will be a gang war between Two-Face, Scarecrow, The Penguin and a cult of Batman worshipping mutants.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 9:10 p.m. CST

    They SHOULD recast the Joker

    by EjkoUSC

    Obviously Jokers survival indicates he was intended to return. Heath's death was unfortunate but if Nolan returns he should stick to his guns and continue with the Joker as planned. The Joker transcends Ledger. I think the only actor critic-proof enough to take over the role is Johnny Depp. All this Riddler Johnny Depp talk is a little misguided. Depp should be the Joker. Several actors could take the part but of them only Depp has the popular and critical sort of leverage neccesarry. His casting would probably be the only one they could make without pissing off the critics and fans. With Depp people would give him the benefit of the doubt. not to mention if the Joker is in prison for much of the movie he would presumably be out of makeup so continuity story wise it KIND OF makes it easier to get away with introducing a new face as the Joker. Think about it. You trying to tell me Depp couldnt do what Ledger did?

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 9:12 p.m. CST

    it's nolan's call

    by illegaltouching

    bale has said he won't be back without nolan. if WB gets greedy, we may have a batman forever redux.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 9:13 p.m. CST

    ~~~HUNT THE DARK KNIGHT! HUNT THE DARK KNIGHT!~~~

    by The Marquis de Side 3

    or if Chris Nolan doesn't want it, give it to: <br> <br> David Fincher? <br> Michael Mann? <br> Matthew Vaughn? <br> BRETT RATNER!?!? <br> <br> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Maybe someone could look it up

    by chewyou812

    I could've sworn that Eckhart said in an interview with Men's Journal earlier this year that he was signed for another installment.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Oh, come off it beaks.

    by TheGreenStyle

    "incredibly apparent he's dead, because we didn't follow his corpse yadda yadda yadda..." Well, unlike you, some of us remember this is CHRIS NOLAN we're talking about, a guy who loves to fool audiences in this way. Oh yeah, it's obvious that Dent died at the end, the way it was obvious Ra's died half way through Begins and how it's self-apparent that Gordon dies half way through Dark Knight. Oh, yeah, they definitely were obviously dead, you ass. And that's just Nolan's BATMAN movies, which are his more straightforward ones. Not even getting into his other stuff. I mean, think Prestige, and you gotta be fucking kidding me coming off with that attitude. But I get it. You get this interview that confirms his deadness, and you get your big "I told you so, I'm smarter than a percentage of the fan base" moments. so congratu-fucking-lations. <br> <br> For the record, the things that suggest Dent wasn't dead was: 1. Two Face and Batman fall from the same height, and Batman lives and isn't even that hurt. why would dent die? and 2. Batman, Instead of feeling for Dent's pulse and pronouncing to Gordon that "He's Dead, Jim" Batman just worries about what happens when "this get's out." no fretting over how he died. <br> <br> But okay, whatever beaks, you are smarter than me. Hope that makes you feel good about yourself.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Can we talk about the bible on this talkback?

    by TooWhippy

    HHHaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Eckhart as Dent/Two-Face was FUCKING AWESOME

    by Gungan Slayer

    Thanks for doing justice to my favorite Batman villain...wish I could see more...and there's still plenty of time before cameras roll for Batman 3...so i can still hope...

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Depp as Joker would be great!

    by TheGreenStyle

    15 years ago. now I think he's a bit too old to continue Ledger's performance.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 9:20 p.m. CST

    union...

    by TheGreenStyle

    my point exactly.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 9:22 p.m. CST

    F* Joker- More Dent!

    by Hikaru Ichijo

    Two Face is safely tucked away in Arkham... for now

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 9:23 p.m. CST

    THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY FUCKING SENSE.

    by Burgundy82

    The final scene with the Joker illustrates one of the movie's major themes: Batman CANNOT kill. Even a ruthless murderer, who laughs as he's plummeting to certain death because he thinks he's won, Batman CATCHES AND SAVES. The Joker even says as much in his last few lines of dialogue, lamenting that Bruce is truly incorruptable. So why, why in the fuck, would Batman just a few scenes later allow Harvey Dent to fall to his death -- which, by the way, is a lame fucking way to go and the same exact fate Tommy Lee Jones' "Harvey Two Face" met at the hands of one Chris O'Donnell!? Speculating that Dent was transported under cover of darkness to Arkham, while holding a memorial for his public image, is the only ending that makes sense thematically. What. The. Hell.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 9:27 p.m. CST

    Joker torments Dent in Arkham

    by Hikaru Ichijo

    until Dent goes even more nuts and we have a premise for a third film

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Did anyone else think Eckhart was the the best thing in TDK?

    by The Grug

    TDK really didn't do much for me as a film, I saw it twice but it never clicked the way Batman Begins did. And though Ledger was terrific, I thought Eckhart's Harvey Dent was easily the most compelling character in the film.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Two Face "Best Batman Villian-Movie"

    by Hikaru Ichijo

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 9:32 p.m. CST

    Oops- sp

    by Hikaru Ichijo

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 9:34 p.m. CST

    james franco

    by smutpeddlar

    i think they should recast the joker with james franco

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 9:35 p.m. CST

    Dent was knocked out and sent to Arkham

    by Squashua

    and is laid up with a broken clavicle or whatever. The "buried" Dent publicly and now there is only Two Face. :D

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 9:41 p.m. CST

    part of me doesn't want them to make another one

    by palooka_boy

    it couldn't live up to TDK, so it would inevitably be disappointing, imho

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Regardless of whether Nolan comes back....

    by obiwayne

    WB will continue with the series. There's no way they won't with the money they are set to make after Dark Knight is said and done. The question is whether they will learn from the past and get someone in who can actually continue the series in the way it has been set up. As much as some people disliked Batman Returns (My favorite of the Burton Batmans) it made twice the budget back in Box Office receipts alone. Once Batman Forever came around, the formula was changed causing the returns to slip and not recover. Granted, a third Burton film might have done the same, but a different Batman and overall tone certainly did not help.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 9:46 p.m. CST

    nice

    by CherryValance

    :) Anyway, yeah it didn't occur to me that he could possibly not be dead until I came here. lol Now that that's cleared up...

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 9:46 p.m. CST

    If you can't top TDK

    by nyj_et

    how can you even live up to it? I guess that's why I'm not in the biz.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 9:48 p.m. CST

    Depp as Joker...

    by PeterParkerRG

    ... for sure! I'd imagine the Riddler and even Catwoman would be a little silly in Nolan's "serious" Gotham. Johnny Depp's the only actor I can see pulling off the Joker that Ledger already established. Love the idea of a gang war though with the Penguin, Scarecrow, etc.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 9:49 p.m. CST

    I'm sticking to my guns

    by TVguy4566

    If they hold true to their words and the next villian(s) are going to be lesser known villians, I am still betting it will be either Deadshot and/or Hush. Although their storylines may not be adaptable to the Nolan Batman universe, their characters certainly can. I think the whole Thomas Elliot/Hush conflict with Bruce/Batman fits in well with Nolan's universe. Obviously they would have to alter the story because Lazurus Pits, Clayface, and a few other elements from the storyline wouldn't fit. <br><br> As for Deadshot, he may have been foreshadowed in the Gotham Knights DVD.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 9:53 p.m. CST

    by Fletch Gannon

    Recasting the Joker is a bad idea...don't think they should try. For Rachel sure, she didn't make much on an impression in the BB, but Joker...doesn't make any sense. Burgundy82, BRAVO, I agree with you...there is still so much they could do with Two-Face. If I had my way with the third film it would be an outlaw Batman slowly losing himself to the darkness after losing so many allies (Gordon, Rachel, Dent, Lucius) and being drawn into a deadly relationship with the Catwoman. Alfred is his only link to the man he was and it's up to him to pull Bruce back for the edge.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 9:57 p.m. CST

    BTW

    by TVguy4566

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 9:58 p.m. CST

    Go full Dark Knight and have Superman hunting Batman

    by G100

    Yes it's a logistical franchise nightmare but after we have had The Joker the ultimate dark character Nolan could reverse it and have Superman as the polar opposite trying to hunt down Batman.<p> <p>Never going to happen of course but thematically it would be a nice way to follow it up.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 9:58 p.m. CST

    I know what they can do for the third film

    by Jackie Boy

    Well, Batman's gone into exile, hasn't he? Wait a few years or just set it in the future with different, older actors (so recasting The Joker makes sense, since every other major character is also played by a different actor). Add mutants, the reappearance of Dent, and The Joker in Arkham, and call it... DARK KNIGHT RETURNS.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 10 p.m. CST

    Told ya

    by Aeghast

    You suckers

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 10:02 p.m. CST

    BTW

    by TVguy4566

    Both Nolan and Bale say that they love Jeph Leob's Long Halloween and used some of plotline in the Dark Knight. So they could either do Leob's Hush or do the Holiday killer storyline (although I don't know if that would work as a movie villian.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 10:05 p.m. CST

    no depp, thanks

    by illegaltouching

    recasting the joker with depp would be like recasting hannibal lecter with tim roth. (i know brian cox also played him. cox would fit nicely into a 3rd nolan batman by the way.)

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 10:05 p.m. CST

    BANE

    by Neosamurai85

    I still say BANE is the only way they can make a third and it now get silly. Add the Catwoman, sure. I'm game. But at this point Bane is the only villain that could hunt down the fugitive bat and take this saga to its dark conclusion.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 10:06 p.m. CST

    The movie should be called Gotham City

    by EjkoUSC

    And I think Bane should or could be a villain. He's physical. and so far after two movies one type of villain Batman hasn't faced is a physical villain. Riddler could be creepy i suppose but hes really a poor mans Joker. Riddler cant top Joker. Bane couldnt top Joker either but at least Bane sort of covers different bases. He's a different type of threat. And he's too good to be relegated to henchman status. But above all I really do believe that Joker must be included if only in a smaller capacity. Like Hannibal in Silence of the Lambs.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Jesus Christ

    by waggy

    Can we please fucking stop with the "they shouldn't make another one" comments? This whole third movie curse is complete bullshit. Didn't Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter put the nails in that coffin? There is no conceivable scenario where WB wouldn't move forward with a third Batman movie, so why in the hell wouldn't you want the team that made the first two fantastic installments to return? Yeah, I'm not sure why they kept making Batman comics after Dark Knight Returns either.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 10:12 p.m. CST

    illegatouching

    by EjkoUSC

    You seriously think Depp is to Ledger what Roth is to Hopkins? (though roth is good in his own right). Depp is more than capable of playing Joker and we all know that if given the chance to vote on it before TDK was cast that we'd all have chosen Depp over Ledger. Ledger was great but don't underestimate the fact that we all know Depp can play the part. And someone brought up the age thing. Depp strike you all as old? He's older but he's aged well and its not as if hes packing the pounds.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 10:14 p.m. CST

    weird

    by illegaltouching

    bane and hannibal references in back to back posts.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 10:15 p.m. CST

    How can they do Bane?

    by TVguy4566

    Bane's character is based on powers given to him from comic book world BS science. How can you do him in Nolan's Batman universe? I guess you could just make him a really strong guy, but the Venom storyline would never work.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 10:22 p.m. CST

    ejkoUSC

    by illegaltouching

    nothing against depp. he could certainly do a great ledger as joker impression, but what's the point? depp and ledger have the same body type, and depp grow some scraggely hair. I can't think of an example where casting to looks worked to make a smooth transition between actors. I made the roth/hopkins comparison because they are both undeniably good actors that can play similar roles. Obviously, they don't look alike.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 10:23 p.m. CST

    Wait 20 years.

    by Irina Spanko

    Then make The Dark Knight Returns.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 10:24 p.m. CST

    TVguy4566: Bane

    by EjkoUSC

    Insofar as supervillains go its not as comic BS as most powered villains go. He's not as ridiculous as Freeze or Poison Ivy or Clayface per se. I think he ought be something more than just a "strong guy" who works out a lot. Maybe tone him down but they gotta grant him a little leeway.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 10:27 p.m. CST

    IGN article

    by wjoeyu

    An IGN article a while back said that the novelization of TDK claimed that Two-Face died of the fall resulting in a broken neck. In addition to this, the article goes on to say that it also said that script clearly stated that Harvey Dent was dead. But all in all, it is really what was shown on screen... which was obviously very ambiguous to either conlusion. Being that Heath Ledger died, they could very easily bring back Harvey. Also, I agree with the very good point that was made... Nolan's has so many twists in his movies, who's to truly say that this could be a twist carried over to the sequel.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 10:28 p.m. CST

    Bale as No 6

    by BrooseTheScharuk

    I think that could work. His "intense" acting style could conceivably pass as an updated version of Patrick McGoohan's. Then again, I'm sure there are others. Russell Crowe, for instance -- who I actually don't like very much -- would bear more of a physical resemblance to PMcG, and might be able to pull off the performance part of it if he just sort of stopped trying to be so actie all the time and had some fun with his roles. Sheesh...

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 10:31 p.m. CST

    The clue is in the movie!

    by chrth

    What did Maroni say? "From one professional to another, if you're trying to scare somebody, pick a better spot. From this height, the fall wouldn't kill me." How high was Maroni? How high was Dent? Only Chris Nolan knows!<p> Of course, it doesn't matter. Dent could be retconned alive if TPTB want him. So it's pointless to argue the matter.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 10:33 p.m. CST

    As for the bad guy in the next film, do the Riddler

    by chrth

    Only do him the exact opposite of Jim Carrey (and Ledger/Nicholson to an extent). Make him dour and serious, but unable to control his compulsion to send clues to the police. No comedy from him. Just cold, calculating violence.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 10:43 p.m. CST

    Another Batman movie

    by jawsfan

    Yes, there should be a third one. No, Chris Nolan is not an indispensable piece of the puzzle. There are plenty of directors who could take up the reins and do as well or better. The Dark Knight has plenty of "bad filmmaking" elements to it. I say give it to Michael Mann and Eric Roth. They can infuse a Batman story with intelligence and "cool" and create and strong, fluid narrative. BB and TDK were very flawed technically, and we should demand better.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 10:44 p.m. CST

    I hope the next Batman is directed by ...

    by Geekgasm

    ... Brett Ratner. Or McG. Or Paul WS Anderson. Just the hackiest guy they can get.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 10:47 p.m. CST

    I want a detective film

    by chrth

    TDK had some detective elements, but not enough. I want Batman vs Riddler in a film where knowledge is the necessary ingredient to save Gotham's soul. Make it intricate and complex, intimate and compelling.<p> Piece o' cake, right?

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 10:49 p.m. CST

    Re: G100

    by SilentP

    That is an awesome idea. Seriously, that would be fantastic, they should totally do that. They won't, but they totally should.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 10:52 p.m. CST

    TWO FACE NEVER SHOULDVE WORN THAT STUPID 1/2 SUIT

    by eoneon

    i thought it would have been better to see him w/out that lame carnie half normal half bedazzled suit. other than that i liked Dent/two face. oh and do another film w riddler and or catwoman and show the joker in arkham you can use heaths face in makeup and digitize it on someone elses body a la the crow. dont give him any lines,just show him all maniacal looking. oh and jazzterminator...nice name btw. fuck you wanna be first poster and you uber conservative anal douche... this isnt a political talkback you ass. go eat rush limbaughs taint

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 10:53 p.m. CST

    unionJACKass.webs.com

    by mr. whoa

    I think ricarleite was mockingly stating that God has a great sense of humor in taking Heath away, since he would so obviously be an integral part of a Batman sequel. I don't believe he was really laughing about his death.

  • HP maybe, but ROTK was full of unmitigated bullshit (don't get me started, it's bedtime), so no, coffin is still there ... but is Dent's body in it?!?

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 10:58 p.m. CST

    leobloom...

    by ZoeFan

    Good to see who the haters are. I don't care what someone's affiliation is, if they can't admit her speach was amazing, they they are a Kool Aid drinker aka a hater.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 11:02 p.m. CST

    Badass_Harry_Calahan: an English lesson...

    by Executor

    If the Joker were "detrimental" to the story, then he wouldn't be recast, because that would mean that the Joker would harm the story. <p>I think you mean something like "vital".<p>Detrimental, as used in a sentence: If you want to make a bet that the Joker is going to be recast in the next movie, that would be detrimental to your bank account.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 11:05 p.m. CST

    eoneon, that "STUPID 1/2 SUIT" was actually DEnt's suit

    by Regicidal_Maniac

    from when he was burned to a crisp. He just put ity back on when he left the hospital, it was his only clothing other that the hospital gown he was wearing in bed. It wasn't bedazzled. (And 'bedazzled'? Are you Australian? Coz I remember those lousy Bedazzler ads.)

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 11:07 p.m. CST

    Tell me why the mayor says...

    by nnnuts

    "How long can you keep a lid on this?" What's the point of the scene where the mayor asks Gordon this? THINK ABOUT IT.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 11:07 p.m. CST

    Executor: Maybe he meant 'instrumental'? and Dent

    by chrth

    well, he had not much time to live anyway, you know humans have skin for a reason. Even if he survived, he'd be dead in a week or so from infection. Dent knew this. He didn't want to live, he wanted to die.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 11:13 p.m. CST

    Is there even a coffin the movie?

    by TallBoy66

    Argh, I've seen the flick twice and all I saw was a service that kinda looked like a memorial, but I don't remember seeing a coffin. Screencaps, darnit!

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 11:15 p.m. CST

    Nolan and Bale will return for a third...

    by Dark Knight Lite

    mark my words.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 11:15 p.m. CST

    Here's the catch though...

    by AtaxianTheMagnificent

    Harvey Dent is dead but "Two Face" is not. Nerdtatsic discussions such as this is what keeps hype alive long after the movie has hit DVD shelves. Harvey as we knew him, or more importantly, as the people in Gotham knew him (relied on him) to be, is long gone. The public couldn't handle seeing their white knight turn into something so gruesome, to see him become what it is that he swore to stop. That gives Batman a new purpose, to take the heat and be the hero that they will not even know they have. Add to that fact that Nolan said that the biggest mistake that Burton made was killing off The Joker (More than likely because they couldn't afford Nicholson again...look up all the money he made and the rights to the film that he had in place. It broke records.) and that we know that Scarecrow is still out and about Gotham...there is no way that he would kill off a character who had just reached their full potential. Eckhart is lying...that much is clear.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 11:19 p.m. CST

    Is everybody retarded? Check out comingsoon

    by Spartan_Im_Not

    and you'll see that Eckhart answered the question posed: "is harvey dent alive?" Response: No. People!! Of course dent is dead. Two-Face is all that's left!! Eckhart is no retard. He's gonna answer these questions as sly as possible to not give anything away.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 11:20 p.m. CST

    There will be a third film and I believe

    by Badass_Harry_Callahan

    Talias Al Ghul has a role in it, but not as main villian. Knowing Nolan he had her in mind from the get go. This is why Nolan did not care about killing Rachel. Talias al Ghul will have a role. I also believe Nolan will bring back the Joker, but with Harley Quinn in tow. With Harley it would make a differnt sort of Joker and, if casted properly people would accept it.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 11:21 p.m. CST

    Dammit Ataxian! You beat me to the punch.

    by Spartan_Im_Not

    I absolutely agree. Eckhart knows the door is still open.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 11:24 p.m. CST

    If Nolan loses his mind and turns down ...

    by Spartan_Im_Not

    David Fincher would be the best choice possible. Aside of Nolan, Fincher is the best mix of story + powerful cutting edge visuals that Batman requires. I'd like to see Bale turn his back on the franchise with Fincher on board. Of course...nobody wants to see Nolan leave.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Alex Proyas for Superman!!!

    by Badass_Harry_Callahan

    Hey if you a going to make a Dark Superhero film, he is your man.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 11:26 p.m. CST

    Dark City > All of Finchers Films!!!!!

    by Badass_Harry_Callahan

    However, I count Zodiac as a seperate entity. I love that film and still refuse to admit it was directed by Fincher.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Executor

    by Badass_Harry_Callahan

    You are correct! I should have said Instrumental, but I have been drinking since, well Lunch time so I misspoke. You know what I meant though!

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Thank god some of you idiots dont get to make movies

    by EjkoUSC

    If you are someone who 1) thinks Two Face is still alive and 2) want to be a writer or director should QUIT NOW. You obviously dont understand clear straight information when it is spoon fed to you. Yes Dent's death was a little weak and anti-cinematic but it serves to motivate the whole resolution of the movie if not vaguely setting up where Batman must go in the next movie. If you can not see that then you ought to stay far away from making movies and leave it to intelligent people like nolan to make them. You same dripping drooling fanboys would no doubt try to squeeze Boba Fett and Darth Maul's blue clone in. Two-Face is dead. There was no ambiguity. Batmand and Gordon had a goddamn 5 minute conversation over his dead body figuring out what the hell to do. Yeah I'm sure Gordon doesn't know how to check a pulse. We know Two-Face is dead because we saw the Dark Knight. did you?

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Daniel Day-Lewis for the new Joker!

    by Raymar

    I drink your milkshake! I drink it up!

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Beaks, if you thought it was incredibly apparent

    by jmyoung666

    that Dent was dead at the end of Batman, you're an idiot. Or very unsophisticated when it comes to video narratives. Gordon was dead earlier wasn't he?<p><p>And by the way, I am not saying it's obvious he was alive either, although I do believe they wasted a lot of potential by killing him. To assume that there was no possibility of an attempt to fuck with the audience strikes me as seriously unsophisticated with respect to narratives in any of a variety of formats.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 11:40 p.m. CST

    EjkoUSC

    by jmyoung666

    You clearly missed the point of the ending. Dent's death did NOT set up the ending. His corruption did. The fact that he was as scarred on the inside as he was on the outside. The fact that the shining knight attempted to murder the family of the police chief. <p><p> Jesus, are you and Beaks the type of people who found Pulp Fiction confusing the first time through?

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 11:43 p.m. CST

    jmyoung666

    by EjkoUSC

    Video narratives? Whatever that means. Gordon was "dead" earlier as a staged death backed by the police (although it was something of a plothole if you think about it because how would Gordon stage his own death during a surprise Joker attack?) Yes they did waste potential by killing him but that's the cookie that crumbled. Just cause potential was wasted doesnt mean they are gonna fix it. Just gonna have to let it go. And fucking with the audience just for "fucking with the audience" sake is unsophisticated. A hack is someone who would fuck around with a plot just to do so. And in any varieties of formats? What are you talking about? Haha, yeah I guess every narrative in "any variety of formats" needs some fucked up plotting to be sophisticated. Thank god you're not a writer.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 11:44 p.m. CST

    but isn't Johnny Depp playing the Riddler???

    by Rupee88

    some of you retards will believe anything...same ones voting for McCain in a couple of months

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 11:45 p.m. CST

    jmyoung666

    by EjkoUSC

    Corruption death who cares. Point is HIS BODY IS DEAD. Dent. Two-Face. The body. Is. Dead. Nolan gave you nothing to indicate he is alive. Nothing. A mistake to kill him? I think so. I was bummed. But just cause it was something of a missed opportunity doesnt mean I'm gonna just pretend I think he will be back around. I'd hop on the bandwagon too if there were anything to go on. But theres not.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 11:52 p.m. CST

    The next time we see "Batman"...

    by Cheif Brody

    Will be in a Warner Bros. hastily thrown together "Justice League" shitfest. <p> And Bale & Nolan will be nowhere around.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 11:56 p.m. CST

    quadfather09

    by cohjam

    The relevant part of the script is the description of the fall. It reads, "Dent lies at the bottom of the hole, his neck broken. DEAD."

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 12:05 a.m. CST

    In Nolans World Dent could not have lived long with the scarring

    by Badass_Harry_Callahan

    Not in Nolans world. I loved this film as stated above, but thought Begins was better. I thought TDK was too long for what it was and had too many unforgivable flaws (Who would have ever thought I would miss the presence of Katie Holmes?) Nolan has to be gay (Not that there is anything wrong with that) but his taste in women is awful! Yeah he had Scarlett in the Prestige, but I am betting that was at studio request. But he also had Swank in Insomnia and she is just nasty (And Manish). Nolan is the reason people fell for Cher as Catwoman.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 12:11 a.m. CST

    Batman should fight the Trade Federation next.

    by MEMEOVORE

    guaranteed winner, make it so...you're welcome.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 12:19 a.m. CST

    You know...

    by DOGSOUP

    ..this movie wasn't that good. Just saying.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 12:20 a.m. CST

    Waited for all the hype to die down...

    by Master Bruce

    and fially saw The Dark Knight, and I'm afraid that's pretty much what it was...HYPE. Best Actor for Heath? Maybe...and I mean MAYBE. Best Picture?, comparisons to THE GODFATHER?, the greatest-superhero-movie- ever-made?, nay, the greatest filmic experience ever to be witnessed by carbon-based lifeforms? Holy P.T. Barnum, Batman! You've got to be Bat-kidding me! Was it a good movie? Yes. Was it a great movie? In the words of Will Smith' "Hell Naw!" I mean, why do critics & the sheep-like masses heap mounds of over-the-top praise on this film? I'm asking, seriously. It's choppy, over-long, & has way too much going on in it. All the returning major characters - Bruce, Alfred, Raechel, Gordon & Fox - were all much better served in BATMAN BEGINS. Maggie G does fine replacing Katie Holmes but has far little to do w/her role before her untimely & unecessary demise, which Wayne seems far too remote & detached about.(If she truly was the "love-of-his-life", why doesn't he kill or nearly kill The Joker w/his bare hands before Gordon has to stop him or something?) Aaron Eckhart is the overlooked & underrated performer here. As Harvey/Two-Face, he gives a solid, scary & ultimately, heart-breaking performance w/an incredible make-up/spfx job as well. Yet, he's killed off - a mistake made w/many a Bat-villian in the past -while in the ultimate irony, The Joker lives to maime & kill another day. And as for Heath's Joker...yes, it was very well done, but in a creepy & sadistic manner drained of any & all possible fun, much like the movie itself. If I wanted to be disturbed by the depiction of true crime or the actions of a borderline-deranged vigilante, I could've watched DEATH WISH. This is suppoesed to be BATMAN. I'm sorry if Christopher Nolan still gives the impression that he's embarassed by the source material, but that's the way it seems. If he didn't want to deal w/a man who dresses up as a bat & fights criminals who dress even more garishly, then why didn't he just go ahead & remake DEATH WISH himself. Both he & star Christian Bale would've been perfectly suited for it. It also would've been much easier to chase respectability & Oscar gold w/a DEATH WISH remake than in a movie about comic book characters. And let's not kid ourselves, as much as we love this stuff, that's what it is & what it should be. No matter how you dress it up, it can never be THE GODFATHER or GOODFELLAS while 2 guys are running around wearing Halloween costumes...it just can't, and it shouldn't try to be. Now that said, it doesn't have to go to the other extreme either, like the campy or over-the-top Joel Schumacher Bat-films of the mid to late 90's. One foot in relity & one foot in fantasy seems to be the best way to go w/stories like these...see SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE, Tim Burton's BATMAN, THE MASK OF ZORRO, or more recently; BATMAN BEGINS or IRON MAN for the proof.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 12:26 a.m. CST

    After you mention DEATH WISH three times...

    by GravitysRainbow

    I stop paying attention to you.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 12:26 a.m. CST

    ~~~as long as it's not that shitfest "DEATH OF BATMAN" film~~~

    by The Marquis de Side 3

    Bale's sister produced that 2003 fanfilm where Batman is captured and ass raped by a junkie, then he commits suicide with heroine. shitty piece of garbage. no wonder Bale smacks the shit out of his family. I end up talking to London police too about how my sisters drive me up the fucking wall with their "art" superhero film. =0p

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 12:26 a.m. CST

    Waited for all the hype to die down...

    by Master Bruce

    and finally saw The Dark Knight, and I'm afraid that's pretty much what it was...HYPE. Best Actor for Heath? Maybe...and I mean MAYBE. Best Picture?, comparisons to THE GODFATHER?, the greatest-superhero-movie- ever-made?, nay, the greatest filmic experience ever to be witnessed by carbon-based life forms? Holy P.T. Barnum, Batman! You've got to be Bat-kidding me! Was it a good movie? Yes. Was it a great movie? In the words of Will Smith' "Hell Naw!" I mean, why do critics & the sheep-like masses heap mounds of over-the-top praise on this film? I'm asking, seriously. It's choppy, over-long, & has way too much going on in it. All the returning major characters - Bruce, Alfred, Rachel, Gordon & Fox - were all much better served in BATMAN BEGINS. Maggie G does fine replacing Katie Holmes but has far little to do w/her role before her untimely & unnecessary demise, which Wayne seems far too remote & detached about.(If she truly was the "love-of-his-life", why doesn't he kill or nearly kill The Joker w/his bare hands before Gordon has to stop him or something?) Aaron Eckhart is the overlooked & underrated performer here. As Harvey/Two-Face, he gives a solid, scary & ultimately, heart-breaking performance w/an incredible make-up/spfx job as well. Yet, he's killed off - a mistake made w/many a Bat-villain in the past -while in the ultimate irony, The Joker lives to maim & kill another day. And as for Heath's Joker...yes, it was very well done, but in a creepy & sadistic manner drained of any & all possible fun, much like the movie itself. If I wanted to be disturbed by the depiction of true crime or the actions of a borderline-deranged vigilante, I could've watched DEATH WISH. This is supposed to be BATMAN. I'm sorry if Christopher Nolan still gives the impression that he's embarrassed by the source material, but that's the way it seems. If he didn't want to deal w/a man who dresses up as a bat & fights criminals who dress even more garishly, then why didn't he just go ahead & remake DEATH WISH himself. Both he & star Christian Bale would've been perfectly suited for it. It also would've been much easier to chase respectability & Oscar gold w/a DEATH WISH remake than in a movie about comic book characters. And let's not kid ourselves, as much as we love this stuff, that's what it is & what it should be. No matter how you dress it up, it can never be THE GODFATHER or GOODFELLAS while 2 guys are running around wearing Halloween costumes...it just can't, and it shouldn't try to be. Now that said, it doesn't have to go to the other extreme either, like the campy or over-the-top Joel Schumacher Bat-films of the mid to late 90's. One foot in reality & one foot in fantasy seems to be the best way to go w/stories like these...see SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE, Tim Burton's BATMAN, THE MASK OF ZORRO, or more recently; BATMAN BEGINS or IRON MAN for the proof. [Sorry for dbl-post]

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 12:28 a.m. CST

    Master Bruce

    by Badass_Harry_Callahan

    I agree with most of it. Well except Maggie G is a nasty dogfaced Pig.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 12:32 a.m. CST

    GravitysRainbow...

    by Master Bruce

    Uh, yeah...guess your ADD prevented you from getting my point.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 12:41 a.m. CST

    Heath's Big Ass Shoes

    by MilkyLicker

    In response to those who want to recast Depp as the Joker...who's to say Depp would even want to play the Joker? I mean, Ledger just did one hell of a job, would it be almost disrespectful to play that role again so soon?

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 12:44 a.m. CST

    Ras Al Ghul's coming back

    by Grand Moff Toht

    Didn't you know? He didn't die in that little train crash in Batman Begins. He went into some hibernatic state. His followers, disguised as Gotham City workers, dug him out later on and brought him back to the Lazarus pits. Ras is coming back and he's bringing Talia. Wait and see...

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 12:53 a.m. CST

    Joker, done. Two-Face, done. Next...

    by mothandrust

    Ghul died and Batman let him die in Begins. His attitude was that he didn't have to save him. Why didn't that carry on to the Joker? Let him fall goddamit. Superman lifted everything in returns, and it seems Batman lets everything fall. Seriously, all the bad guys fall out of buildings and Batman either catches them or lets gravity have its wicked way. Anyway, we've seen Ra do his stuff, and we've seen the Joker and Harvey do the best of their shtick. It tied up nicely and was a mostly dark and satisfying finish - no need to drag out these bad guys again. Bring on Bane, Talia, and some Meoww!!

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 1 a.m. CST

    JGL is the only choice for the Joker.

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    Hes going to be exactly the right age, he looks uncannily like Ledger, and hes equally as talented, and hes not yet hit a high profile. Get him to sign now.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 1:03 a.m. CST

    You can die falling from three feet

    by King Sweyn Forkbeard

    If you land the wrong way. <P> I certainly wouldn't take the fact that Bats survived a fall from the same height as any indication that TF did, seeing that one of them was a supremely fit individual wearing hi-tech body armour, and the other was a lawyer who had recently suffered major medical trauma. Y'know, shock, blood loss, that sort of thing.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 1:04 a.m. CST

    What happened to Rommel?

    by Grand Moff Toht

    Has that TB disappeared or did I imagine something about a Randall Wallace-scripted Michael Bay film about Rommel?

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 1:04 a.m. CST

    What happened to Rommel?

    by Grand Moff Toht

    Has that TB disappeared or did I imagine something about a Randall Wallace-scripted Michael Bay film about Rommel?

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 1:06 a.m. CST

    This article reminds me of an old Bloom County cartoon.

    by Cotton McKnight

    It was a Nightline spoof where Ted Koppel declared that nothing happened that particular day. That was the topic- why nothing happened. He had a bunch of guests on, asking them what the story is on the fact that there is no story. I don't want to say this was a waste of time but I never for one second thought he was alive, until this article. So this article basically brought it up, and then led me right back to where I was in the first place.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 1:07 a.m. CST

    couple of things..

    by soup74

    1st..grativys rainbow..are you named after the klaxons song? (later masterfully remixed by soulwax) <br><br>and 2nd, the only place for chris nolan to go now is bane. did anyone read the bane mini series after knightfall, where bane broke out of prison and was going after the peddlers of 'venom.' batman was torn (and a little scared)about helping him or stopping him. it was masterfully written, and with just a little tweaking (just a little) it would make an acceptable follow up to dark knight. the only problem is that you have to give some kind of back story to bane. and you cant do both the knightfall and the return of bane in one movie. (unless you're chris nolan and you figure out a genius way)

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 1:07 a.m. CST

    BTW

    by Grand Moff Toht

    Agree Ras should stay dead and buried. Was just kidding. However, no Bane without a shiny silver Lucha Libre mask please. Nice sweaty wrestling match between the Batman and a 'roided up hulking monster should be a worthy successor to THE DARK KNIGHT.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 1:08 a.m. CST

    Eckhart & Gyellhaul should be back for Batman 3

    by ugh

    Yes, they are dead and should stay that way. But why can't they both haunt the dreams of Bruce Wayne/Batman? Play on the guilt and depression. As for villains, I think fans should all take a step back and think about this for a sec -- notice that the vast majority of major characters in Nolan's first 2 Batman films have been played by stars that most of us would never suspect that they were capable of what they brought to the table. Easiest example is Heath Ledger -- nomination worthy performance, but when it was announced a few years ago that he got the part of The Joker, fanboys flipped out all over the world. Johnny Depp and Angelina Jolie both make for ideal villains (The Riddler and Catwoman, respectively), but then you run the risk of moronic comparisons to the Joel Schmaucher movies, an A-list cast with a Z-list script and execution (an obvious exaggeration, but I think you know what I mean), although I believe they have the talent to pull it off. But I have a different preference for villains in Batman 3: Temple Fugate, aka The Clock King, and Floyd Lawton, aka Deadshot. Why? Because I don't think Nolan should cover anymore ground that has been covered in past live-action Batman films. Besides, "The Dark Knight" has laid the ground work for WB and DC: Go dark with the story lines. Finally, if somehow, someway, Nolan would be tempted to have The Joker make an appearance, instead of using delete footage from the theatrical cut of Heath, use an actor that is just as talented as Heath (pre-Dark Knight) and go with someone well respected in the industry but not that well known to a world wide audiences. So my choice for a new Joker would be Joseph Gordon-Levitt. And if there is no place for The Joker in the 3rd film, Gordon-Levitt could easily jump in to any of the male villain roles that I've already suggested.

  • if necessary (see original post)

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 1:19 a.m. CST

    I've seen "The Dark Knight" 5 times.

    by Evangelion217

    And I've come to realize that it is flawless. The people who claim that their are flaws, are nitpicking. It is a masterpiece, and vastly superiore to "Batman Begins." Which is also a brilliant film. I hope Nolan will come back for the third and final installment. He might not be able to surpass the genius of "The Dark Knight", but maybe he could make it as great as "Batman Begins." Which is better then any other comic-book film that isn't "The Dark Knight." :)

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 1:27 a.m. CST

    Evangelion

    by RKO2285

    Seen it 4 times and couln't agree w/ u more..

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 1:31 a.m. CST

    http://tinyurl.com/6anohe

    by Gorgomel

    What about Robin?

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 1:36 a.m. CST

    And it's great that Two-Face is dead.

    by Evangelion217

    He's a fantastic villain that was given ALOT of justice by Christopher Nolan. Putting in the third installment, is just going to feel anti-climatic, and tediouse. Especially when he'll be saying, "YOU KILLED RACHEL DAWES" every 10 minutes. And if the third installment is going to be three hours long, then it will DEFINITELY become tediouse with Two-Face. So bring back Scarecrowe, and add on The Riddler, and Catwoman. Easy as pie. :) P.S: Any fan who thought Two-Face survived that fall, is an idiotic fanboy, who can't deal with reality. ;)

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 1:37 a.m. CST

    until I hear it from Nolan...

    by My friends call me Killjoy

    Two-Face is alive. I know that the script states that the fall broke Dent's neck, but it's easy to see that the editing of The Dark Knight skirts that. They never go there. I think that was a bit of hedging after Heath Ledger passed away. If they wanted to make Dent dead, Batman or Gordon would have said that he was dead. In the film...it's ambiguous and whether the ambiguity of the ending was Nolan's idea or not makes no difference. WB knows that you can't keep throwing villians away every movie. And you certainly don't want to throw away two in one movie.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 1:39 a.m. CST

    Batman can kill for two reasons.

    by Evangelion217

    1. To defend himself. 2. To save an innocent life. So Batman killing Two-Face was justified.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 1:44 a.m. CST

    I agree with Jackie Boy.

    by Evangelion217

    Let the third installment be loosely based on "The Dark Knight Returns." Take out Superman, give Christian Bale some make-up to look older, and cast the legendary DANIEL DAY LEWIS as The Joker. It would be perfection. :)

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 1:47 a.m. CST

    Nolan isn't making The Prisoner.

    by jenkis

    Keep up Beaks, it's being remade for TV with Sir Ian McKellan as No. 2.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 1:49 a.m. CST

    FUCK CHRISTOPHER NOLAN...

    by thecomedian

    Dark Knight was great. It had awesome scenes that I never thought I'd see on film. Namely the scene in the Hospital with The Joker and Two-Face. Believe me I was all "holy shit, the Joker is talking to Two-Face and he's wearing drag. This is fucking insane!" But if Chris Nolan doesn't want to do a third movie then fuck him. Get the guy he's been ripping off this whole time. That's right, JUST GET DAVID FINCHER TO DO IT INSTEAD.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 1:50 a.m. CST

    If you still think Two-Face is alive after what Nolan just said.

    by Evangelion217

    Then you're a moron. Plain and simple. Stop denying reality, and learn to deal with facts.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 1:54 a.m. CST

    David Finder is great..............

    by Evangelion217

    But he's never done anything as great as "TDK." And if the studio's won't give him any room to do what he wants, then it will be just as bad as the theatrical version of "Alien 3." But if he does get to do what he wants, then we might get a film on the same quality as "Alien 3: Extended Cut", or "Se7en", or "Zodiac." And if Fincher can't do it, then pick Paul Thomas Anderson. P.S: How has Nolan been ripping off Fincher?? What an asinine statement.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 1:55 a.m. CST

    Oaky, I'll just come out and say it.

    by Evangelion217

    The third installment will suck if Nolan doesn't come back to direct it. And Bale should just follow Nolan into the light, and quit playing Batman. Thus, it will probably the WB is full of idiots again, and I would gladly boycot the third installment, if Nolan and Bale do not return.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 2:11 a.m. CST

    Seventh.

    by SlickyVonBoner

    Don't be saying the next will be the 3rd Batman when it will be number 7. That's 6 Batman movies in 20 years. Stop while you're ahead and on top. Give it a rest for awhile. It was the best movie I've seen in years, though. They can't top it.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 2:13 a.m. CST

    AVATAR - Fucking our eyeballs in 2009 !

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    yay

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 2:26 a.m. CST

    Jenkis...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... you keep up. Universal's still actively developing a PRISONER film. There was a draft by David and Janet Peoples recently delivered, and it's still very much on Nolan's dance card. It's totally separate from the new series.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 2:26 a.m. CST

    Agreed, the only one who should and could is Depp.

    by The7Returns

    He is the only living actor who has the talent to make us forget Heath Ledger, yet honor that brilliant performance. <p> Nolan saying he had no future plans for Joker in a third film is absolutely a blatant lie.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 2:34 a.m. CST

    Thoughts on TDK and Heath's performance

    by Soapfish

    I have been reading aintitcool for a long time, but have chosen to stay out of talkbacks because I read a few posts and I get pissed at humanity. That being said, I feel compelled to post for the first time. I thought Heath's performance was spectacular. I have never been in so much awe at single performance. He dissolved into the character. The movie had a lot of hype, but I remained suspicious. When I saw the movie I was pleasantly surprised. Nolan nailed everything that is great about Batman. The movie has its flaws, but overall it was great. I have seen it many times and each time I find my mouth literally open during every Joker screen time. Speculation on whether Two-Face is dead or not, who will make what, etc. is pointless. Only time will tell. You may now start hurling the flaming verbal assaults that are most likely aimed my way, being as I probably said something (God knows what, something likely surrounding my bashing talkbacks) that deems such an attack.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 2:35 a.m. CST

    phoenixmagi2

    by EjkoUSC

    Wow good goddamn point about Bruce's penthouse. I'm not gonna have to laugh everytime old pig face says her line about it being the safest place in Gotham. And I had a problem with the plot point of Gordon faking his death at a surprise Joker attack. Guess he saw that shit coming.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 2:37 a.m. CST

    Soapfish

    by EjkoUSC

    You didnt really say anything interesting or controversial or obnoxious enough to warrant an attack so... Good job!

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 2:41 a.m. CST

    Two Face is dead. Anyone who thought different is stupid...

    by Zardoz

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 2:42 a.m. CST

    EjkoUSC

    by odo19

    I just assumed that Gordon knew that the Joker was going to try and assassinate the Mayor and wore a bullet-proof vest. Then when the Joker attacked he luckily got shot and just decided to improvise and play dead.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 2:48 a.m. CST

    odo19

    by EjkoUSC

    If Gordon knew or suspected that Joker would launch another surprise attack resulting in the deaths of civilians and cops he'd be fired. So no.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 3:01 a.m. CST

    EjkoUSC

    by odo19

    I'm pretty sure he did know. I don't really remember. DId'nt Gordon see a picture of the mayor jokerized in the next days news paper in the scene where Batman takes the piece of the wall to analyze? Then there was some dialogue it being clue as to the Jokers next victim.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 3:01 a.m. CST

    My friends call me Killjoy

    by cohjam

    It's not Chris Nolan but if you listen to the Creative Screenwriting podcast interview with Jonathan Nolan, Jon says that Two-Face is dead. He mentions it as an important plot point since Joker gets Batman to break his "no killing" rule.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 3:03 a.m. CST

    Christian Bale for The Prisioner?

    by Wonderboys

    Hell yeah! That would be great!

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 3:10 a.m. CST

    Sorry to sound Naive but....

    by D o o d

    what is this TOWELHEAD thing about. It sounds awefully racist!

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 3:44 a.m. CST

    Eckhart is a...

    by VegasRon

    ...classy motherfucker.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 3:58 a.m. CST

    Burgundy82

    by Particularly Hard Vato

    I hear you. Now let's get the Penguin selling some weapons! Let's get Two-face killing some mobsters! And let's bring back Ras!

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 3:59 a.m. CST

    Theatricality, deception

    by kafka07

    he's still alive

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 4:01 a.m. CST

    Why couldn't the recast the Joker?

    by Particularly Hard Vato

    Joker Reforms. Hires and attorney to get him out of Arkham, blaming his mental illness on the fear gass that was released. Harvey Dent's sucessor watches as all these criminals start getting let out because the feargas is blamed for their criminal actions. Tehy are in fact victims- and here is the Joker- scarred a little, but suited up, on television, discussing his crimes, making money selling books doing appearances, stupid teenage kids worshipping him like MArilyn Manson- that would be some heavy shit! And Dent comes out to clean shit up by killing people!

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 4:05 a.m. CST

    Evangelion217

    by Particularly Hard Vato

    If they even dared to do The Dark Knight Returns as one movie and not like SIX i would boycott the damn thing!!!

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 4:09 a.m. CST

    Not just another chapter

    by Mr Gorilla

    I really do like the way The Dark Knight aimed to be a full, complete story - not just another chapter in a franchise.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 4:10 a.m. CST

    Dexter sounds like a good replacement!

    by masteryoda007

    I'm with The Ender Smites Foes. Sounds like a great idea to cast C. Hall as the Joker.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 4:18 a.m. CST

    New Prisoner movie....series....?

    by JADSTERSDAD

    Glad to hear the movie is still on the cards. Espcially with Nolan possibly at the helm. But the new series looks good (and McKellan says so, of the scripts). What I can't understand is why I had to come across this news here. Neither the new show nor the development of the movie have been discussed much here or elsewhere.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 4:22 a.m. CST

    QUIT WHILE YOU'RE AHEAD

    by Ray Gamma

    that's my thoughts on Chris Nolan and Batman. Both of these movies were excellent. Don't risk another one. There are no cool characters left in the Batman universe. Catwoman? Goofy.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 4:27 a.m. CST

    apart from The Riddler

    by Ray Gamma

    but when I think of the Riddler now, I can't get the image out of my head of Jim Carrey's most over-acted performance of his career. (I'm not a Carrey hater. I thought he was excellent in "eternal sunshine...")

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 4:28 a.m. CST

    Dark Knight can't be topped?

    by mr.brownstone

    What's it like having no imagination?

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 4:35 a.m. CST

    Depp for the Joker.

    by 11dayempire

    He's got a similar enough facial structure to Ledger that he'd pass muster under the makeup, he's got the acting chops to build on Heath's interpretation (rather than doing a straight impersonation) and he's the only person in Hollywood with enough goodwill stored in credit to take on the role. Jolie as Catwoman could work, if they borrow the "dominatrix hooker" interpretation of the character from Year One. The Riddler's a piece of piss to do properly in Nolan's universe; he's a cross between the Zodiac Killer and John Doe from Seven. As for other directors to take on the franchise if Nolan passes... Paul Greengrass is the most obvious contender for a Nolan-esque sequel; he's stylistically similar to Nolan - and better at doing the wobbly-cam action scenes to boot - and his "social conscience" film-making would seem to tie in well with Nolan's take on Batman. Alex Proyas would be good, though his take on it would be more comic book-y. I could see Darren Aaronofsky having a fair crack of the whip, too.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 4:37 a.m. CST

    Perhaps Nolan meant that he's dead as in

    by Lemming

    He won't be back in another movie. It's still conceivable he's been taken to Arkham never to be heard from again.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 4:43 a.m. CST

    suck it, dweebs!

    by ironic_name

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 4:45 a.m. CST

    THIS IS PROOF THAT DENT/2FACE IS ALIVE.

    by alice 13

    he totally gives it away . nicely played trap.- well done. im so happy now i cant wait for bats3

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 4:45 a.m. CST

    and yet, lemming prooves that there is no reasoning

    by ironic_name

    with ppl

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 4:46 a.m. CST

    Two Face is fucking deader than fried chicken

    by Stalkeye

    ..and Han shot first.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 4:46 a.m. CST

    or proves

    by ironic_name

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 4:46 a.m. CST

    Dark Knight on DVD/Blu-Ray

    by sambrook

    Someone asked earlier on when it would be released - apparently it's due for the first/second week of December (guess there's no point getting it out any earlier when it's still doing so strong at the cinemas and IMAX still taking bookings until mid-November). Looks like there will be 1-disc and 2-disc DVDs, 3-disc Blu-Ray and a big Blu-Ray package with lots of goodies (maybe that Batpod design that was floating around the nets).

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 4:48 a.m. CST

    Ok who's the wise ass that leaked the Screener on the torrents?

    by Stalkeye

    so much for that rumored 2009 DVD release.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 4:49 a.m. CST

    Bring on the ManBat and The Riddler

    by Monkey_King

    That was be awesome. Detective work, martial arts, riddles to solve, people in peril, aerial fights. Yes, yes, Y-E-S!!!

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 4:55 a.m. CST

    Lemming

    by sambrook

    I don't think that's the case - if they wanted to make the audience believe he was dead why trick them and say "Aha! He's not! But we won't show him!". It would be a wasted twist. I think his death is the perfect end to the tragic tale of Harvey Dent and the hope he represented. If they bring him back then it has to be for a reason.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 5:04 a.m. CST

    Moriarty....

    by jenkis

    Amazing as the Peoples duo are (and they delivered their original version 2 years ago), this will go the way of Nolan's Howard Hawks' film. Nolan's too smart to make a movie of a property when a TV version has just happened.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 5:16 a.m. CST

    Comingsoon.net has a good quote

    by sambrook

    When Eckhart told them what Nolan said - that Dent is definitely dead.<p> CS/SHH!: That's not a problem in comic book movies. You could still come back.<p> Eckhart: I think in contract negotiations it's a problem.

  • Thermonuclear War. <p> Just saying.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 6:24 a.m. CST

    "You think I want to escape from this?!

    by Larry Sellers

    There is no escape from this!" I knew from the moment he said that in the climax, Dent would not be coming back. And I think the line "The Joker won..." means that he managed to corrupt Dent AND (to the audience) he succeeded in making Batman a killer. To being back Dent would defeat the sacrifice in TDK. As for recasting the Joker...I was initially all for it. Why should The Joker belong to Heath and Heath alone? It's a character but not HIS character...but then I went to youtube and saw a fuckload of Joker impressions. What iconic villain inspires that kind of borderline obsessive fandom? Heath's interpretation was not definitive, but it's the most fucked up, fun, and vicious Joker we've seen yet. "I think we're destined to do this forever..." I'm all for a recast. Just keep the role in a minor capacity plot-wise. He was obviously meant for a sequel. The show must go on.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 6:25 a.m. CST

    New Prisoner movie..

    by OBSD

    Since it's about an "unnamed spy" who quits after years of service, I think there's only one choice. Pierce Brosnan! If they do it right, they could tie it into Bond into the advertising (you know for the plebes) without ever actually naming Bond! It could work!

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 6:44 a.m. CST

    This will iam sure drive the hardliners on the talkback mad..

    by emeraldboy

    but after two really dark and heavy batman movies. both very very good and Ledger was magnifico. How about a batman a little ligghter in tone. They shouldnt go down the schumacher again ever. how about a fun batman movie. or a bit of a mix. Dont make it so serious.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 6:55 a.m. CST

    dead?

    by Judge Briggs

    that would be so lame. Batman villains don't die.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 6:59 a.m. CST

    Proper casting for Shadow of The Bat:

    by wowsah156

    Selina Kyle, high class escort and The Cat's paw: Ellen Page (Juno/Hard Candy). But The Cat is a cameo towards the end of the movie. Edward Nygma: Military code breaker left for dead, betrayed by his black ops buddies. Now he's killing off high ranking arms industry employee's at Cobblepot Technology leaving behind clue's in 15 bit cipher code warning of a nuclear bomb being used in Gotham. :David Tennant Sub plot : Have Lady Shiva being sent to gotham to retrieve a stolen diamond necklace that The Cat's Paw stole from a mysterious industrialist who hid a microfilm in the heart of the diamond, which contains the formula for a supposed rejuvination chemical "cobras venom"...

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 7:16 a.m. CST

    Told you so

    by Laserhead

    Hah!

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 7:27 a.m. CST

    It's not the director

    by Sirmausalot

    When will you people remember that it is the writer who 'makes' the movie. Without the Nolans, it is likely to suck. And what did happen to the other half of the money The Joker stole? he had big PLANS for that. We were not supposed to get a mere sequel, but the second part of a complex storyline

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 7:48 a.m. CST

    EjkoUSC

    by TVguy4566

    Bane may be more realist compared to other villians in the Batman universe, but Nolan's universe is totally based in the real world where there are no super steriod type of drugs that if you pump it in your veins gives you superhuman strength. There is no way his Venom drug fits in the Nolan Batman universe.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 8:03 a.m. CST

    Joker Strategy Needed !!!

    by dude_gimme_tabs

    You know what. The emotion surrounding the very sad passing of Ledger needs to be set gently aside and a strategy is needed for the character to continue this franchise. If it was up to me to set the strategy, I would re-cast the Joker and I would re-cast him with an unknown. It's win-win. It's one hell of a break for an actor. If he succeeds then plaudits and roles will fall from the heavens. Heath's untimely demise will have been sidestepped for future films. If he fails then the studio, director, actor himself can all say "Ah well, Heath was a tough act to follow." and move on, parking the Joker in this franchise at least. They also have the flexibility to either have the new actor try and channel Ledger, or go in a new direction, maybe using time inside Arkham as an excuse to change the personality of the character somewhat but still within the terms of Nolan's established universe. As I said, it's a cold, hard, mean strategy but it's a strategy.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 8:05 a.m. CST

    "This Confession Has Meant Nothing."

    by Stuntcock Mike

    Wait and see.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 8:25 a.m. CST

    Venom drug

    by Neosamurai85

    While I agree the drug probably shouldn't be as over the top as it traditionally is, after that little episode with Batman's sonar that allows him to see EVERYTHING in Gotham... I think we are leaving the realm of immediate reality at this point anyway. Weather Venom is a variant of PCP, or even something new that Batman toys with in his effort to physically endure both Gotham's crime and police after him... it's not impossible. More so, I want Bane because as I understand him (granted I'm not a big reader of comics) he's never been done justice. He's intelligent, almost as vigilante as Batman, but also a villain. The Joker was all brains, Bane is both, and that combination makes him more than Batman can face. Hell, you could even start the film with a dead Joker as his calling card. Make him the hitman that the mob wanted all along. Someone that can break the bat. Interweave an intelligent Bane in a story line where Batman confronts (and perhaps is even attracted to) Catwoman, and what you get is three morally complicated characters that might not live up to TDK, but wouldn't be an easy letdown. Oh, and drugs means there's an excuse for more Scarecrow, which I think would make everybody happy.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 8:28 a.m. CST

    Angelina Jolie = Destruction of franchise.

    by HoboCode

    For the LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY don't make her Catwoman if there is another film.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 8:29 a.m. CST

    I love it.

    by rev_skarekroe

    Eckhart: No. I'm dead. I couldn't even get the words out of my mouth. "Hey, Chris, am I--?" "No. You're dead. You're dead.<p>Fanboys: See? He's totally alive!

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 8:34 a.m. CST

    The next villain was in TDK: BAT MANUEL!

    by chrth

    C'mon, they had the fake Batmans at the beginning (and that one poor bastard later) and they had Carbonell. It all points to Bat Manuel being the baddie in the next movie.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 8:38 a.m. CST

    Knightfall

    by DocRK

    I agree with those suggesting Bane as the next villian and think it would be interesting for Nolan to loosely follows the Knightfall storyline. Just make Bane a highly trained merc whose physical skills exceed Batman. I'm not too crazy about the KnightsEnd storyline but parts of that could be taken as well.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 8:41 a.m. CST

    Harvey/Two-Face

    by sirbroiler

    I personally feel the movie missed the mark with the portrayal of Harvey/Two-Face and the deep emotional and psychological struggles that motivate his character in great Batman stories like Long Halloween. Don't get me wrong, Eckhart was good - but the character could have had a lot more depth. And...I don't think he's dead either. Taken to Arkham under the cover of darkness to protect his public image and it's positive impact on Gotham's citizens. He'll be back.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 8:41 a.m. CST

    In all seriousness, how do we handle Bats in the next film?

    by chrth

    All this focusing on potential baddies ignores the end of TDK. Will Batman in 3 be "on the run" the whole time, or will it open with Gordon trying to bring Batman back to the side of angels to help deal with the newest threat?<p> Honestly, I think we can stick with three-side vibe in the third film without adding a second villain: Batman vs Gotham (exemplified by Gordon) vs The Riddler. The Riddler is criming, both Batman and Gordon are trying to stop him while the former avoids the latter. It would essentially be a stealth film. And of course, the big action sequence midway through the film would be Batman getting captured and his identity revealed to Gordon.<p> As for the Riddler, I reiterate my earlier position that he should be played as dour and devoid of humor as possible; when he's in the room, the temperature should feel like it's dropped 10 degrees. There should be no uneasy laughter from the audience like with the Joker; instead, uncomfortable silence. Methodical, precise, and so damn smart he needs to announce it to everybody.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 8:42 a.m. CST

    Gary Oldman's performance

    by belasco_house

    seems rarely mentioned, but I think he was superb in BB and TDK. I love the character of Gordon, weary yet determined

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 8:43 a.m. CST

    Avatar = flopping in 2009

    by Sithdan

    Kerplunk! Like a piece of shit splashing in a toilet bowl. Cameron is washed up and will suffer the same Internet backlash as George Lucas, Sam Raimi and Bryan Singer.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 8:44 a.m. CST

    Aaron Eckhart wants Two-Face to stay dead...

    by Leafar the Lost

    ...so he can play Captain America. He would be perfect for it, and he knows it. Also, he has a boner for Angelina Jolie. I know, what straight male in the world doesn't want to screw her, but he actually has a chance with her. Her marriage status with Brad is not a factor...

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 8:45 a.m. CST

    He said "TO BLAAAATHE", and as we all know...

    by jackietheblade

    someone had to say it.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 8:46 a.m. CST

    Robin

    by IndoorPlumbing

    I'd very much like to see a gritty Robin at some point, perhaps introduced slowly but surely. He will never be an official partner, but wearing the latest version of the Robin costume from the comics (which is pretty cool, all dark red n black, see below) as if it was his circus attire and just does some sick acrobatic ish. No special armor or anything. He jumps into the mix during an end-of-movie battle and saves Batman at one point. He should be like 16. Awesome. http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/308/166230-106224-robin_large.jpg

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 8:48 a.m. CST

    IndoorPlumbing: There's no point to Robin

    by chrth

    Unless you do something like Knightsfall where Batman is sidelined. Sidekicks exist in comic books to get young readers (who mentally place themselves in the orphan/ward's shoes) to read it. In a two-hour movie, the sidekick is not necessary at all. Besides, Batman already has two sidekicks in Alfred and Lucius Fox, he doesn't need a third.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Nolan put all his eggs in one basket.

    by DEX

    Everyone should relax. As conceived, Two-Face is dead - the shooting script says so explicitly (it says something like "Harvey breaks his neck and is dead"). That being said, in the history of comics and genre projects - characters can always come back. I read an interview with Nolan that with the Dark Knight, he didn't want to assume that it would be a hit and that there would be future movies, so he put everything he could into it. I'm sure he can always change his mind about Two-Face if he wants to do another (he couldn't have forseen that Heath would die). Personally, I'm fine with it if the Two-Face story is finished - it was satisfying. On a side note, these people that say there shouldn't be a 3rd movie are full of crap. It's just a way for haters to continue hating on something. If Nolan wants to do a 3rd movie, hell yeah, let him try and top the Dark Knight!

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Next Batman movie

    by belasco_house

    shouldnt feature Bruce Wayne at all, and 'The Batman' should be merely a shadowy supporting role, like Keyser Soze. Other characters are far more interesting

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 8:53 a.m. CST

    The 3rd movie will have Catwoman, but I think...

    by Leafar the Lost

    ...that it should be Megan Fox. Why? Because she is insanely hot, and she knows the basics of acting. Also, lets bring in a dark Robin. Make him a drug addicted, punkish orphan that Batman tries to reform.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 8:57 a.m. CST

    Robin isn't NECESSARY; but he could be INTERESTING

    by IndoorPlumbing

    Visually he could be very cool, in Nolan's hands, that is. He def isn't needed, I agree with that. But visually he could be pretty intriguing.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 9:03 a.m. CST

    David Hyde Pierce = Riddler

    by IndoorPlumbing

    Anyone?

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 9:03 a.m. CST

    If it's Nolan, probably no Robin or Catwoman, however

    by chrth

    with Robin, we need to consider his place vis-a-vis Batman being on the run (I'm wondering if I imagined the end of the movie since no one else seems to be considering this). Then we're looking at a potential V for Vendetta riff.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 9:11 a.m. CST

    David Hyde Pierce: Not dour enough

    by chrth

    A younger Joel Grey would've been perfect.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 9:12 a.m. CST

    I love how this is just driving fanboys nuts

    by terry1978

    Nolan was God as of late, now that it's being considered that he's not only not bringing back Two-Face, nor making another one, suddenly the mob gets nasty. Fickle group, we are.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 9:13 a.m. CST

    A younger (and more alive) Anthony Perkins would've

    by chrth

    been perfect too. I really can't think of anyone who would work out nowadays for what I'm imagining.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 9:14 a.m. CST

    Worst character and actor evar

    by RogueWarrior65

    Bleah. Boring. Clichéd. Next.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Please..No Fucking Catwoman...

    by conspiracy

    The character has always been nothing but a sexual foil for Batman, but she was never a dark or particularly "bad" and dangerous character. Sure nerds would pay to see Jolie purr and slink around; and the Batman character would have to reassess his narrow minded view on "criminals" and what makes them tick when he bedded her...but that would simply not be a compelling tale on its own, certainly not material that would allow a story to compete with Dark Knight. Besides...didn't Nolan and Co. already say no Penguin or Catwoman?

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 9:20 a.m. CST

    The problem is they make Catwoman too much like

    by chrth

    Black Cat (who is pretty much a take on the TV Show Catwoman). If they made a Catwoman that wasn't played that way, it could be interesting.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 9:22 a.m. CST

    Anyone else hate TDK?

    by Beezbo

    I'm amazed how few people on these talkbacks dislike TDK. Most of my friends didn't like it - we must be really out of touch! While some talkbackers agree that it's not the greatest film ever made, I haven't read one comment in which someone admits to hating it as much as I did. I feel so alone...

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Leafar the Lost...

    by conspiracy

    the only thing Megan Fox is good for is eye candy, and perhaps an amusing distraction for the director/producer; she has zero skills from what little we've seen. She will be doing DTV and Skinamax before she is 30 unless she gets smart and does a Connelly; disappearing from Hollywood for 5-6 years to actually learn how to act and not just show skin.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Beezbo: You ARE alone

    by chrth

    TDK was phenomenal. In fact, this talkback makes me want to go see it again.<p> And BTW, I loathed Batman Begins. So I'm not one of the ridiculous fanboys. TDK just hit all the right notes with me.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Beezbo

    by HoboCode

    Yep. It's just you and your friends. Sorry dude.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Sorry Beexbo

    by sambrook

    I loved it. Which surprised me as I always felt like an outsider for not thinking Begins was the amazing film most fanboys thought it to be. There were flaws aplenty in there that most ignored. But The Dark Knight felt like one big epic, a huge story bolstered by great characterizations and pitch-perfect performances filmed with effortless style and flair. It really surprised me.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 9:30 a.m. CST

    The Riddler looks like this...creepy, intelligent, smug:

    by IndoorPlumbing

    http://images.teamsugar.com/files/users/0/88/22_2007/DavidHyde_JimS_14064402_400.jpg

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 9:31 a.m. CST

    Or...

    by IndoorPlumbing

    Casey Affleck, giant question mark tattoo on back, very menacing: http://www.clickthecity.com/img2/articles/CTC-2449-image4.jpg

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 9:34 a.m. CST

    Casey Affleck might not be a bad choice

    by chrth

    As long as he doesn't come off as a punk.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 9:43 a.m. CST

    They could've done more with him!

    by Anna Valerious

    I think killing him off too soon was a waste. I'm not sure about recasting the Joker... But I'm behind David Tennant as the Riddler 100%.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 9:45 a.m. CST

    Truth be told...

    by IndoorPlumbing

    It should be Penguin running a takeover of Gotham in some way and hires the Riddler to keep the cops and Batman distracted. While this goes on Catwoman could emerge as her own entity, realizing Police are distracted and on her own decides to just begin burglarizing, not having anything to do with Penguin or Riddler. There you have it, Mr. Nolan! Oh, and Evangeline Lily for Catwoman obviously.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Dude_gimme_tabs

    by dude_gimme_tabs

    Either way, Joker has to be in it somewhere. Even if in a cell in the shadows at Arkham.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Burgundy, Batman didn't necessarily kill him.

    by Lenny Nero

    But to paraphrase him from the first him, he didn't save him either.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 10:22 a.m. CST

    Lay off the Detrimental Dude

    by Herb West

    He just learned that word and tried to use it in a sentence. Give him a break.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Robin

    by arby64

    I think they can introduce Dick Grayson without introducing Robin have him be taken in after family dying and find out about Batman but not go out fighting with him.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 10:34 a.m. CST

    id like to see the joker back....and the riddler

    by fartedinthefaceofhollywood

    id like to see the joker come back and id like to see the riddler as well. it would be neet to have a silence of the lambs approach where here is this Riddler guy, stirring all kinds a shit up possibly knowing the identity of batman and batman must enlist the help of the joker (through the use of interviews and interrogations) to find this crime genius, you know....the whole "using a villain to catch a villain" approach...there is ALOT they could do with something like that, should they think about it and think of a complex way to go about it. id love to see the joker in a dark room, answering batmans question but mindfucking him in the process....a la Hannibal Lecter.....then again, thats a TOTALLY unoriginal (but cool) way of looking at it.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 10:35 a.m. CST

    Batman 3 will happen!

    by Azlam Orlandu

    I hear what everyone is saying about how content they would be if it didn't come to pass. But the Warners are making too much cash and there's too much of a fanbase for it not to "make for rolling" forward. That one's for you Gorb!

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Silence of the Lambs would be the way to go

    by sambrook

    Before Heath's death there was talk about the Joker coming back and I read in intervews that, if he did, it would be in a small, Lecter-type cameo.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 10:52 a.m. CST

    This is such stupid logic...

    by hollywoodsummers

    considering earlier in the film Batman drops Eric Roberts from about the same height saying he knows it won't kill him. If they wanted to really kill Two Face they should have impailed him on something or at least shown some blood coming out his mouth. But I guess there were a bunch of things about the last 30 min of the film that were kinda lame. Still loved Heath though, sad he's not coming back.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Arkham Asylum, only ending that makes sense.

    by TheBLIGHT

    Harvey breaks out Hannibal style, show a CG's Joker clip from TDK ala The Crow (Brandon Lee) in a quick clip via a cell window in the Asylum, so the audience 'gets' were the Joker disappeared to, and bring on Catwoman, Riddler, Bane, whatever/whoever... but, pleas never Hush, uhhg.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 10:59 a.m. CST

    re: Beezbo

    by _Maltheus_

    While I wouldn't say I hated it, I am in shock about how much people loved it. It was a very uneven movie and all the Harvey Dent stuff seemed tacked on and quickly had me looking at my watch, waiting for the movie to end. I thought Batman Begins was so much better (while a bit overrated itself). Even the Keaton movie was better IMO. I'd rank TDK as a distant 3rd. As for comic book movies overall, the first two X-Men and Spiderman movies still rule the coop. That makes me either unsophisticated or unpretentious I guess.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 11:02 a.m. CST

    The series isn't complete without another...

    by IndoorPlumbing

    Don't you people want there to be some kind of fruition, some kind of resolution, some kind of closure? Batman is on the lamb. Gotham is still a mess. The series needs closure, and a third film is necessary. Also, don't say you can't top this one so don't make another; when it comes down to it, it's a movie, so even if it's not as good it could still be great and fun and entertaining.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Topping TDK is unnecessary

    by mukhtabi

    What must happen is the third installment of Batman must MATCH or come close to the intensely dramatic storyline. A third installment should happen, everything film occurs in threes; just a naturally organic number. The real question is who should direct the third one? I would love to see Nolan come back for one last hurrah. That would be closure allrighty.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 11:19 a.m. CST

    It's a matter of math. A simple equation, really...

    by IndoorPlumbing

    Nolan + http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/3133/107007-144107-tim-drake_large.jpg

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 11:59 a.m. CST

    If doing the Riddler...

    by IndoorPlumbing

    He should be like this: http://www.geocities.com/~talotta/Batman/riddler.gif

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 12:03 p.m. CST

    It's true

    by The_joker

    I"ll be back for a 3rd movie.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 12:07 p.m. CST

    after watching DK a second time

    by IAmLegolas

    I'm convinced they can recast The Joker if they need him to come back. Don't get me wrong, Ledger did an amazing job, but on my second viewing, I was more into the storyline than the actors/characters involved. Nolan should do a 3rd movie IF he's got a good idea for it. And then write out the script and put in any character he needs and worry about casting later. I was convinced Two-Face wasn't dead until reading this article, that's a shame. I thought Eckhart was signed on for two pictures, no? Anyway, DK made way too much money for them not to do another one, hopefully for us, Nolan decides to do it again. DK set a high bar, but I'm sure he can pull it off again. Plenty of other great actors out there and other Batman villians.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 12:26 p.m. CST

    I thought harvey Dents fate...

    by AnakinsDiapers

    was pretty damned ambiguous. A man lying on the ground with his eyes closed (well, the one good eye) doesn't scream dead to me. Neither Batman nor Gordon actually said Dent had died there. The entire scene, with the inter-cut eulogy was very leading and manipulative. Of course, Dent had to "die" to prevent the Joker from totally corrupting Gotham and taking hope from the people. Do i think Batman and Gordon would attempt to keep a living Dent hidden deep in Arkham? Hell no, a cover up that big would eventually get out and destroy the entire administration. I think the crux of what happened goes back to Batmans interrogation scene with the Joker. The Joker tells him he's going to make Batman break his one rule...he doesn't kill. I believe Batman and Gordon offed Dent, who wasn't dead yet, in order to save Gotham. At least that scene could be interpreted that way.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 12:42 p.m. CST

    It won't have The Dark Knight in the title

    by sambrook

    Whatever the third film is they'll call it something seperate, like The Dark Knight is seperate from Batman Begins. They'll want a trilogy with flowing, consistent titles so, unless they rename it The Dark Knight Begins then they won't have one Batman and two Dark Knight titles.<p>Anyone got any other Batman titles that could be used in the vein of The Dark Knight?

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 12:46 p.m. CST

    I think the "they offed him" interpretation...

    by sambrook

    ...is as silly as the idea they'd keep him alive but not have him be a part of the next film. If Batman and Gordon offed him - and they never, ever would have done, no matter what: Batman can sacrifice himself but he wouldn't sacrifice others - then it would have been far too big a point in the story and characters to leave ambiguous.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 12:49 p.m. CST

    uuuuhhhh.....memories

    by fartedinthefaceofhollywood

    "did you SEE the movie"....not "did you SAW the movie".....now go back to talking about this "intelligence" you speak of, and yes Nolan dosen't want to insult anyones intelligence....some wouldnt need his help anyway. i guess you had a "brain FART" on that "saw" thing eh?

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 12:51 p.m. CST

    The Caped Crusader

    by fartedinthefaceofhollywood

    why not call the next batman "The Caped Crusader".....or maybe not, who knows

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Gotham in the title might be good

    by sambrook

    I can certainly see that. But I think the risk of not using Batman in the title has worked so well - or at least didn't hurt it in any way - that WB won't insist on Batman being in the title if Nolan says he doesn't fancy it. In fact I can't see them insisting on much other than it get made.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Hahahaha

    by Damage_Inc

    DID YOU EVEN SAW THE FUCKING MOVIE? Ha. Did you even take third grade grammar?

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 12:55 p.m. CST

    And Caped Crusader

    by sambrook

    That's good. That's the kind of thing I think they'll go for, that sort of well-known nickname. Sadly The Caped Crusader sounds too much like it harkens back to the camp silliness of Adam West and Schumacher so Nolan might not fancy it. But if this is the end and it deals with Batman fighting back against public opinion until he remains victorious (well it has to have a slightly upbeat ending if it's the finale or else we'll be demanding more until we get closure) then it might fit that theme.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 12:57 p.m. CST

    top this top that

    by fartedinthefaceofhollywood

    ...im not concerned about the next Batman needing to top The Dark Knight, it dosent have to top it....it just NEEDS to be really fucking good...thats all, ive not doubts it will be just that.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 1 p.m. CST

    It's even funnier because......

    by Damage_Inc

    HE WAS GONNA YELL AT THE TOP OF HIS LUUUUUNGS!

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Indoor Plumbing

    by StrokerX

    that picture is freaking scary. i cant believe i accepted that at the time...so young..so blind.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Yeah, well....

    by Damage_Inc

    It just never ceases to amaze me how many fan boys resort to caps lock when it comes to voicing their opinions about TDK. Tell me some more about being an idiot now.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Those who say they knew he was dead are naive.

    by hst666

    The ending was clearly ambiguous. Whether that was Nolan's intention or not is another story. Anyone who believes that Dent was definitely dead (or alive) at the end is a fool. If this were written 300 years ago, assuming he was dead would be fine. Storylines tended to be a lot simpler then. But the ending was such that they could easily bring Two-Face back. Eckhart even states it would be really easy to bring him back or did any of you twits bother to read the above.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 1:14 p.m. CST

    so may im flicking nerves instead of striking them???

    by fartedinthefaceofhollywood

    its okay Memories, im far and beyond these internet bitch-fights, im simply having fun is all, killing work-time. as you say that its "low" to insult someone for mis-spelling shit or the mis-use of words, the same can be said for your rather rude take on the interest of other people in the form of the preferences in movies and what you claim to be shit and what not...when in fact, you happen to enjoy what many others would consider...S-H-I-T. to each his own is the moral to the story...respect it, or look like an asshole...and it would SEEM you fit those asshole shoes comfortably, strutting yourself around town in em

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 1:19 p.m. CST

    GAYFORMERS???...rather juvenile isn't it

    by fartedinthefaceofhollywood

    did i like "GAYFORMERS"...for the most part, no not really (when the action stopped....so did the movie for me)....but i can appreciate it for its technical achievements and the spectacle it can be at times...its not in my "top 10" by ANY means, but there are ALOT of movies that aren't in my "top 10" that i consider watchable and at times....even enjoyable, like eating a candy bar or cotton candy....it will satisfy your craving for something sweet, fire certain things off in your brain...and as soon as it sinks in...its gone just as fast, which is why i enjoy little things like Killer Klowns from Outer Space...its a classic film in the history of bad films

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 1:20 p.m. CST

    hst666

    by sambrook

    I did believe he was dead. I'm not naive or a fool. I didn't realise there was a debate until I spoke to people after the film. Until then his death was shocking but thematically fitting and I couldn't see why it would be otherwise. Yes, the "They're dead - no they're not!" twist has been done plenty of times but believing what we are told onscreen doesn't make us stupid, it means we're not constantly trying to outsmart filmmakers.<p>And why should we? Audiences should revel in the tale being told. It's like the dicks who get off on working out twists before they happen in films. I've done it before but I didn't get any real joy out of it - it robs the film of it's reveal which is normally one of the highpoints of a story being told. And, being as the audience is paying to see that story unfold, there is nothing wrong with doing that. Second-guessing stuff because that's what CAN happens in movies doesn't mean we should always be looking for it TO happen.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 1:21 p.m. CST

    "how would you emphasize a given part of the text"

    by chrth

    Asterisks are generally understood for *individual* words or short phrases. For sentences, an exclamation point will do! Sometimes multiple exclamation points!!!<p> All caps has *long* been considered SHOUTING on the Interblag. Seems silly in retrospect (I remember chatting on bbs's back in the 80s that you only could type in Caps on), but that's what it is.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 1:24 p.m. CST

    sambrook, I have one

    by Damage_Inc

    Batman- False Faces. It's a little known graphic novel.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Sean Penn should be the Riddler

    by Reckoner

    Sure, he's a little older but he could nail the darkness and twisted sense of humor.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 1:39 p.m. CST

    For those who have read the novelization

    by chrth

    Is it any good? I mean, obviously the plot is good, but how well does the story translate to the printed page? And how good is the writing?

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Riddler as a Zodiac-like killer...

    by Banzai Rootskibango

    ...Penguin as an arms dealer...Cat-Woman as...Sarah Palin?

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Johnny Depp and Paul Bettany

    by MELGIBSONS_DICKCHEESE

    These two HAVE TO be in the next one. Doesn't matter which one plays Joker or Riddler. Depp said he's up for it if they ask him and Bettany was a second choice for JOker in TDK

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Movie titles in caps is ok because it's AICN standard

    by chrth

    for article titles. Not sure about other websites.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 1:50 p.m. CST

    To hell with two-face...

    by subtlety

    bring on MAN-BAT! MAAAAAN BAAAAAAT!!! And don't even think about anyone but Marc Singer playing the role. I say again, MAAAAAANNNNNNN BAAAAAAAAAATTTTT

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Christ, people are missing the point.

    by Damage_Inc

    TDK was filmed and wrapped before Ledger died. That changes everything about the series. If Warners and Nolan were smart, they would pay Aaron Eckhart anything he wants to return.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Nobody does this with Iron Man

    by samurai sark

    all this casting rumor and plot obssession. I think it's funny no one does that for Iron Man. <br><br> Cher for Fin Fang Foom

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Memories-of-Murder, I have a slight issue with your argument

    by chrth

    You're saying that if you take the movie at face value, without any rumination, then Dent is dead. Agreed. The problem is that the rest of the movie can't be taken at face value, so it makes it hard to take the ending at face value.<p> See, underlying the thesis of Chaos in the movie is the idea of Deception. And not just the Joker, either (it would take all day to write them all down). You have Harvey Dent making his own luck flipping a two-headed coin. You have Lucius Fox carrying two cell phones with him in Hong Kong. You have Alfred burning letters. You have Batman saving someone as Bruce Wayne and taking a ballet out to his yacht for an alibi. And most importantly, you have Jim Gordon *pretending to be dead*. (cue Vultan's GORDON'S ALIVE?!?!?)<p> Throw all of that together, I don't see how anyone can watch the end of the movie and not question it. Regardless of what the answer is, to expect someone to spend two-and-a-half-hours getting hit left and right with twists and turns to then take the last few minutes at face value is asking too much.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 2:02 p.m. CST

    samurai sark: NO! Fin Fang Foom is being saved

    by chrth

    for NEXTWAVE: AGENTS OF HATE<p> I have decreed.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Gay Old Man Love Here! (sorry, couldn't resist)

    by chrth

    How about Sir Ian McKellan to play the Riddler? He can do dour, he can do manic, he can definitely do genius.<p> Or if you want the character to be younger, how about Elijah Wood doing a pseudo-riff on his Sin City character (obviously with verbalization, but with the same compressed, contained, focused energy)?

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Memories...

    by AnakinsDiapers

    "Man, your 2ambiguous" interpretation, that only cames from yopur own baggage. The movie makes it pretty clear that he's dead. Dead as dead. Finito. Kaput. Muerto. Bough the farm. Not alive. As in dead." Batman and Dent both fell. Batman, being better conditioned and armored gets up. Both Batman and Gordon stand over dent and have a discussion. They don't check his body for a pulse. They don't check to see if he was breathing. There isn't any drastic indication that his body has suffered serious trauma. His head isn't turned the wrong direction or anything. His body isn't twisted in an odd direction. They just have their conversation over his body. That doesn't seem odd to anyone? That they wouldn't neel over and check to see if he's alive. Batman was fine. Ambiguous

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 2:17 p.m. CST

    i can see WHY

    by fartedinthefaceofhollywood

    i can see why people MAY think Harvey Dent is still alive....they did leave it a little open to interpretation, but hey....if they say the fucker is dead, then hes fuckin dead

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Beezbo, I really liked TDK, But I can agree it was overrated!

    by Badass_Harry_Callahan

    Still buyin it on Blu Ray though!

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 2:25 p.m. CST

    December 16th

    by fartedinthefaceofhollywood

    The Dark Knight comes out on DVD and Blu-Ray Dec. 16th....mark ya calendars. Watching the first 7 minutes of TDK on the Batman Begins Blu-Ray proves that TDK is gonna look AMAZZZZING on Blu-Ray, looking forward to it. another thing, didn't they say that originally TDK was going to be 30 or so minutes longer???....that they cut out ALOT, perhaps a Directors Cut could happen...if so, im ALL OVER IT, i could have watched TDK if it were 3 or 4 hours, dosen't matter....i was eating that shit up

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Recasting the Joker?

    by Tin Snoman

    Rory Cochrane.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 2:33 p.m. CST

    A different Joker?

    by OfficerJunior

    To recast that role would be insulting. I couldn't see a shred of Heath in the Joker. Too well done to be recast..

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 3 p.m. CST

    The new Joker - Charlie Hunnam

    by GrandMuffTarkin

    I was watching Sons of Anarchy last night, and dammit all if this kid doesn't look like Heath Ledger circa Monster's Ball. If he's got the acting chops, he could probably step in.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 3:04 p.m. CST

    This was reported here weeks ago. Plus,

    by NiceGuyEddie19

    it reminds me of that good fuckin weed I had when it was first posted.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Joker Gorodn Levitt

    by samurai sark

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Joker Gorodn Levitt

    by samurai sark

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Joker Gordon Levitt

    by samurai sark

    JOSEPH GORDON LEVITT as JOKER in ARKHAM ASYLUM without MAKEUP. make it so.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 3:12 p.m. CST

    They could bring in Superman

    by guiltyguiltyguilty

    Since Batman's a viewed as a villain, it could be the opportunity for the governemnt to send in their Golden Boy to bring him down.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Dent is Dead

    by guiltyguiltyguilty

    Long live the Riddler/Catwoman/Penguiin/Bane/Deadshot/Killer Croc/Man-Bat/BlackMask<br><br>I found cool posters and such at <br>GothamBurning.blogspot.com<br>and Deviant-Art.com<br>no boobs tho :(

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 3:25 p.m. CST

    no penguin

    by fartedinthefaceofhollywood

    Christopher Nolan has mentioned before hes not a fan of that particular villan (the Penguin)...and i agree, he's a rather lame villain...but then again, Sam Raimi wasn't a fan of Venom and look what happened...we GOT HIM in all his crappy...um...er...glory

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 3:26 p.m. CST

    sorry, meant

    by guiltyguiltyguilty

    deviantart.com<br><br> I found boobs on devianttart.com, but thats whole other episode

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 3:31 p.m. CST

    maybe they should have cut off his head

    by samurai sark

    put it on a stick and left it in the sun for a couple of days so people would understand. THE GUY DIDN'T WANT TO LIVE. <br><br>It's entirely possible to die from falling from that height. The guy is only a(n acttractive) lawyer, not a ninja like Bruce. Plus, he's not wearing a kevlar-reinforced suit. Plus, he's suicidal. Plus, he's gonna die from severe infection anyway. Plus, aw fuckit I'm out. Dead as disco.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 3:33 p.m. CST

    s' good that way though

    by samurai sark

    whats the alternative, we get a deranged psycho obsessed with 2's? OK maybe Nolan could do it justice, but i like the arc where it is right now; Virtuous DA driven mad by a psychopathic murderer for the sake of demoralizing a city. Genuis.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 3:35 p.m. CST

    I don't think many people are saying...

    by AnakinsDiapers

    ..Dent isn't dead. What many ARE saying is that the scene is ambiguous, and that if Dent was to return, it wouldn't be far-fetched. Hey, i think Batman and Gordon killed him at the end anyway. The Joker truly won.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Memories

    by fartedinthefaceofhollywood

    apparently "nice guy" roles are becoming his THING now-a-days....isn't his character in the Harry Pooter (er...i mean POTTER) films a good guy??? either way, its nice to see him NOT being a dick because i felt he was being typecast to play the villain in EVERYTHING. still, his role in The Professional and True Romance show....he knows down to a "T", how to be an asshole.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 3:39 p.m. CST

    i agree Anakins

    by fartedinthefaceofhollywood

    while it may not have been the film-makers intentions, it DID seem in one way or another...that they left the death of Harvey Dent a bit open, but like i said...they probably didn't intend that

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 3:43 p.m. CST

    If they cast Joseph Gordon Levitt

    by IndoorPlumbing

    Then they should bring in John Lithgow as well as the rest of the 3rd Rock From The Sun team of winners. After all, what this next film really needs is French Stewart, am I right people?

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Catwoman

    by frozen01

    Personally, I think Nolan can do it. I mean, Two Face was a pretty goofy character in Batman Forever, but Nolan's version was nearly pitch-perfect. Why do we think he couldn't pull it off with Catwoman, too? Besides, I'm really sick of the LITERALLY disposable women we've seen so far in Nolan's world and I'd love for Bats3 to showcase a woman worth her salt. Rachel's death paves the way for a plot involving Catwoman, and I do think Nolan can make her shine as a character.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 3:45 p.m. CST

    cast him as Captain America!

    by zooch

    Dear Marvel, he's your guy.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 3:46 p.m. CST

    keeping things open

    by fartedinthefaceofhollywood

    im not saying they did this with The Dark Knight, but its not uncommon for film-makers to film scenes a certain way in which they leave "breathing room" or "leverage" for the sake of future situations in the potential if not inevitable sequel. as i mentioned before, i can see how people might think otherwise about Harvey Dent being dead or alive given the way it was shot and expressed in the film, but thats also in reference to how the film as a whole was...with its several unexpected situations.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 3:54 p.m. CST

    memories...

    by AnakinsDiapers

    Please don't presume to know anything about how i take in movies or what my expectations are. I made my point about the ambguity of the scene. Many people see it my way. You don't. Make your case and lets have at it. I can do without the insults to my intellegence. And making absurd exagerations to make your point doesn't help your stance any. Do you think, after Batman gets up from a fall which Gordon had at first thought had killed him, he'd be inclined to take a moment to see if Dent is truly dead? It's damn odd. Was it something Nolan just overlooked or was it designed to create an ambiguous moment? You know where i stand.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 3:57 p.m. CST

    regardless

    by fartedinthefaceofhollywood

    regardless of what people fantasize about...he apparently IS dead...so...really, why keep going with this??? anyway, i gotta say...its was a lame death IMO, im not sure what i was expecting...but that wasn't it, it felt like somebody hitting a dog with their car and just saying..."oops"..."ill check the damage when i get home".

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 3:58 p.m. CST

    How bout a scarred up Harley Quinn?

    by zooch

    That might be cool.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Memories

    by fartedinthefaceofhollywood

    i dont care....i wanna see those 40 or so mintues that WERE cut.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Memories-of-Murder, let me ask you this

    by chrth

    Is Maroni dead?

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 4:02 p.m. CST

    Riddler, short list

    by zooch

    Joseph Gordon-Levitt<br> Jake Gyllenhaal<br> Viggo Mortensen<br> Daniel Day Lewis<br> Leonardo Dicaprio<br> Johnny Depp

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 4:03 p.m. CST

    Dead or Alive

    by frozen01

    Oh, stop it already!!! The people who are saying that the end was ambiguous aren't necessarily saying that Dent's definitely alive, okay? So stop arguing about it, it's pointless. 1) Two Face fell a lot further than Maroni, not the same distance 2) All we see is Dent lying on the ground. Is he breathing? I don't know. Is his heart beating? I don't know. And neither do you. 3) The script was written and most of the movie was shot before Ledger died. Nolan might still bring Two Face back for that reason, even if he didn't intend to while he was shooting TDK. Will he? I don't know, and neither do you. 4) It would be impossible to cover up the fact that Harvey Dent is in Arkham Asylum, so the horrible truth would eventually have to come out... which would be a nice, clean way to clear Batman's name and bring him back into Gotham's good graces. I'd just like to say that I'm not a whining fanboy. I loved TDK, but I actually don't want Nolan to bring Harvey Dent/Two Face back. I agree with whoever posted it before... screaming "You killed Rachel" every 10 minutes gets annoying after a while. Nolan did good with Two Face, and I would prefer that it be left at that and he isn't dragged through the coals more in the next movie.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 4:07 p.m. CST

    To All The Retards Who Thought Dent Wasn't Dead, I Say

    by LaserPants

    DUH! Fuckin' told you so.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 4:09 p.m. CST

    exactly

    by fartedinthefaceofhollywood

    frozen01, thats what ive been trying to express...that it may not have been the directors intention to do it that way, but the WAY it is shit could possibly spark debate amongst others (not necessarily me though, i kinda figured he was dead). people take things different ways...if they didn't, things would be awfully boring wouldnt they???...with everyone just agreeing with each other...that would suck

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 4:10 p.m. CST

    So you're saying there's a chance!

    by WickedJester

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Dent alive...

    by Executor

    No way.<p>Nolan builds his movies to very specific points and purposes. If Dent is alive, the entire point TDK built to is invalidated. <p>The entire movie builds to Batman taking on the role of the "Dark Knight" and becoming the hunted outcast in order to give people the hope it needs...the great memory of the White Knight Harvey Dent...rather than let the Joker win by having people see what Harvey has become. <p>If Dent is walking around cackling as Two-Face in a sequel, it makes the "Dark Knight" meaningless...the Joker HAS won, and all the themes that made the movie rise above standard superhero fare -- heroism, sacrifice, and the nature of people -- are rendered meaningless.<p>So, let me ask you...do you think Nolan would do that?????? Invalidate all the mature themes he painstakingly worked into his film in order to have a little "fanboy" twist????<p>No.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 4:12 p.m. CST

    i agree Memories

    by fartedinthefaceofhollywood

    but remember how people complained about scenes like "what happened to the party guests after Batman left the Joker up there with em" shit....it would be cool-as-hell to shed a little more light on that situation. another thing, i get the feeling at the beginning with the bank robbery, there was more to it after he drove off in the bus....remember he put live grenades in the hands of the customers then pulled the pins, THEN he stuck a tear gas or smoke grenade in that guys mouth...whose to say the tear gas didnt spread around the building, one customer drops his grenade...chain reaction destruction, im sorry....sometimes i think about the little things that could be

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 4:13 p.m. CST

    memories...

    by AnakinsDiapers

    Your impression, as you would put it, is the baggage you've brought not mine. I don't want this to turn into a sissy slap fight, so since i haven't called you intellectually stunted or one of those many dense movie goers who can't comprehend subtlety, i'd appreciate it if we can make our points without the insults or rhetoric. Dent being officially dead isn't the point. The point is the movie, in my opinion, is ambiguous about it. And as such, if Nolan does do a Batman 3, he could change his mind about Dent's fate without changing much.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 4:16 p.m. CST

    It's obvious there will be another one.

    by MrFloppy

    But not because of the money. Nolan and Goyer said looong time ago that it will be a trilogy. The end of TDK demands it. I'd like to see more of the Joker (from Arkham, Lecter-esque) but please, no recast.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 4:19 p.m. CST

    actually, fartedinthefaceofhollywood...

    by Executor

    you are right that people taking things in different ways and sparking debate is a good thing. <p>However, most intelligent people debate over themes and what the movie was trying to say, not whether a character who fell and broke his neck is really dead.<p><p> I watched Gone Baby Gone last night and debated the end with my friend...both of us disagreeing with each other over the final decision. What we did NOT do was sit around wondering if a cop that took two bullets in the chest was still alive, or if another character who took one in the noggin would be miraculously revived for a sequel.<p><p>INTELLIGENT debate my friend...that is the key.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 4:21 p.m. CST

    What is this "Dark Knight"???

    by The Bo Man

    I've been hearing about it a lot lately. Is it a new Ben & Jerry's flavor? I'll have to give it a try.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Memories and Anakin

    by fartedinthefaceofhollywood

    you know...i can agree with what BOTH of you are saying...to a degree, because i GET IT...as in, i understand where you are both coming from....Anakin is thinking "IF" and Memories is thnking "IS", why you both can't find SOME kind of common ground on this is just rediculous...trying to speak so "matter of factly" is stupid as well, when the answer is right up top anyway.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 4:26 p.m. CST

    oh my GOD!!! this is getting dumb

    by fartedinthefaceofhollywood

    in the words of the Joker his damn self...."why so serious?". what difference does it make to ANY of you bitching, what or how people take things???...jesus. relax, its not THAT big a deal

  • Yeah, that totally rocks. The only way I will see a recast.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 4:49 p.m. CST

    But The Joker DID Still Win

    by LaserPants

    Of all the goals Joker achieved -- utterly PWNING Gotham's crime families, the Gotham PD, Gordon, Dent, and Batman -- perhaps the most important was forcing Batman to break his one rule of not killing. He forced Batman into a position where he had to kill Harvey Dent. I imagine he's laughing his ass off in Arkham, being a man who is literally impossible to defeat because he doesn't care either way, knows he's right, and has proven that he's right over and over again. "It's not about money... it's about sending a message."<br><br> I fuckin love TDK for these very reasons.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 4:50 p.m. CST

    Devils Advocate

    by frozen01

    AnakinsDiapers: Before you yell at me, remember, we know Dent is dead. And I don't want to see him return in the next movie. But to play devil's advocate... Gordon looked just as dead in the middle of the movie as Dent looked at the end. Executor: I don't think it's too far fetched to believe that Nolan would place Batman on a pedestal just to bring him crashing down. It brings us back to the edge of chaos, which is where these movies are at their best! Nolan is a master at his craft and I think he would have a lot of fun creating a story in which, for most of the movie, Batman is hunted as an outlaw, only to be vindicated by the return of Two Face. Besides, Joker already won. He turned Gotham's "White Knight" into a revenge-driven, psychopathic killer fueled by his own loss and the cruel injustice of fate. I understand your point about Nolan's careful build-up crashing to pieces upon Two Face's return, but don't you think he's clever enough to be able to take that return and make an even better build-up in the next movie that would serve an even greater purpose?

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 4:51 p.m. CST

    farted: if it makes no difference how people take things...

    by Executor

    ...then why are YOU bitching about how people are taking things?<p>;)<p><p><p>Probably the most annoying thing in the world is when someone gets on a soapbox to tell others to get off theirs.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 4:51 p.m. CST

    LaserPants

    by frozen01

    Well said and pretty dead on. I'd just have to disagree on one point... I think the Joker's greater victory was in the destruction of the "White Knight" Harvey Dent, not in getting Batman to kill someone in the defense of another.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Memories-of-Murder

    by frozen01

    Sure, but this is a talkback in an article about closing the book on whether or not Harvey Dent died, so I don't think it's really surprising that that's what people are talking about, you know?

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 4:58 p.m. CST

    frozen01

    by Executor

    watch the movie again. I don't think you got it.<p>The Joker didn't win. The people didn't blow themselves up. The people thought that Harvey died a hero, and their faith in humanity was restored. Only Batman and Gordon (and the Joker) knew about TwoFace's murderous rampage. That's the point of Batman taking the blame. TwoFace coming back to "vindicate" Batman would, as I pointed out, go against everything in the movie. <p>Watch it again, you might get it. <p>And yeah, I think Nolan is talented enough to fit in 47 villains, 10 dancing Roman Gladiators, and cameos by Spock, Gandhi, and Sarah Palin's whore daughter, but that doesn't mean he will.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 5:06 p.m. CST

    except...you know...

    by AnakinsDiapers

    ...just repeating the mantra of Dents death being obvious and simple doesn't make it so. Is he dead? Yes. Did the actual film make it obviously so? I don't think so, and i'll not rehash the clear reasons i believe his death was PRESENTED ambiguously. If Nolan changes his mind and brings Dent back, it would mess too much with peoples suspension of disbelief because of the way that scene played out. And it meshes with the themes the movie was exploring. That's all i'm saying.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Executor

    by frozen01

    I've watched it several times. I'm not sure who you think you are, that you and you alone (or more appropriately you and those who think exactly like you) "get it". The citizens of Gotham's "faith in humanity is restored", except for the fact that the hero they once thought would save them from every possible evil, big or small, is now the villain himself (I'm referring to Batman, now, of course)? Hmmm, some faith in humanity. It doesn't matter whether or not Gotham knows about the White Knight's fall... do you think the Joker cares? In the public's eye, the White Knight didn't fall... but *the Dark Knight did*. I bet that would make the Joker cackle with glee just as much as toppling Harvey Dent, if not more. Also, I did not say that Christopher Nolan would do any of the things I mentioned. My point was that HE COULD, and I don't know if he will and neither do you, so stop acting like you can read his mind. None of us knows what Nolan will do in the next flick, so why do you have to go around making fun of people who are just want to dream about what Nolan might come up with next? By the way, I'm no fan of Sarah Palin, but lay off her kid, okay?

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Angelina Jolie? Please God no...

    by Bong

    That would be a step backwards

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 5:25 p.m. CST

    wow

    by fartedinthefaceofhollywood

    hell....when the Joker had "supposedly" assassinated Commisioner Gordon, many in the theater i was in really thought he was dead but did they show a bullet hole???...a wound???...a neon sign??? (people who im sure arent familiar with batman enough)and when he popped back up people were gasping and totally relieved he was still alive....so apparently they did an effective job at making it seem he was dead, in other words...they succeeded in what they were trying to ...trick the Joker and in a way trick the audience, so like i said...given the nature of the film and the way things were displayed....i can understand how people might second guess Two Faces death. thats all. of COURSE i knew Gordon was alive and Two Face was dead...but i get the giste of these movies, the average viewer may not...and its not about insulting ANYONES intelligence.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 5:32 p.m. CST

    besides....

    by fartedinthefaceofhollywood

    apparently ALOT of people thought otherwise about Two Faces death...otherwise this interview wouldnt have taken place and it wouldnt be such a question of him "coming back for the 3rd".

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 5:34 p.m. CST

    I will boycott part 3 if Angelina's anorexic junkie...

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    ...ass gets anywhere near it.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 6:05 p.m. CST

    The Boy Wonder

    by IndoorPlumbing

    why are we talking about the joker or riddler or catwoman when we can have ROBIN?

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 6:09 p.m. CST

    The Riddler should be...

    by IndoorPlumbing

    http://tigerlily.altervista.org/_altervista_ht/Foto/Adrian-Grenier_3440.jpg

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 6:26 p.m. CST

    WB will do anything for another Batman...

    by Lilana

    ..I can see them offering everything under the sun to Nolan. Not just money but maybe offers to greenlight other projects he has in mind. The amount of money TDK made they'll be pulling out all the stops to get another one....which is good because I can see them giving Nolan complete creative control to keep him on board, esp. as Nolan means you get Bale. I like the idea of Jolie as Catwoman, I think she'd do it justice. She's the only known actress I can imagine matching Michelle Pfeiffer.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 6:30 p.m. CST

    I'd love to see someone unexpected as The Riddler

    by Lilana

    Or the penguin. The great thing about Heath's casting was it was a bit suspect at first. Plenty of people questioned it and didn't think he'd pull it off. That made the performance even more exciting and fresh - it was something totally new from him. I trust Nolan to cast the right people. Apart from Rachel Dawes he hasn't mis-cast a character.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Memories

    by fartedinthefaceofhollywood

    does Christopher Nolan live next door to you er something??? you speak of all this like you hepled him direct the damn film er something. so given the nature of some of the situations in the film (the whole Gordon death thing, tricking the audience and what not) and the fact that Two Face wasn't bent out of shape after the fall, no bone bulging from his neck, no visible injuries WHAT so ever (just as Gordon didnt have a visible injury when he was supposedly killed)....you dont see how an audience might think otherwise about Two Face dying???....you dont see that in any way, dont speak for yourself (and those like you)....youve done that for the last 5 hours, step outside your mind a minute and think about it. i already know what your going to say.....NO.....but how you can't understand how others could take it differently is an insult to your own intelligence. anyway, this is tiring.....i think ive insulte my own intelligence by continuing to think this argument matters....oh well, silly rabbit...tricks are for kids i guess

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Also, I do dig wowsah156 suggestion

    by Neosamurai85

    I've been against the Riddler for a bit now, but actually, he could tie in quite well. Especially as a response to the technology Batman is creating. The plot could even involve him finding out who batman is (same rout as the accountant) and ultimately trying to get the sonar technology. The Joker was a response to Batman being a freak, The Riddler could be a response to Batman becoming a god. Also, a Bane/Riddler pairing would equal one screwed bat. I know I'm clinging, but seriously, If Nolan picked Bane, not one person vaguely aware of Knightfall wouldn't wonder right to the end if the Batman might die/be crippled.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 6:50 p.m. CST

    why can't everyone be as levelheaded...

    by slaughterstorm

    and realistic as aaron eckhart? It seems like everyone else is so jittery.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 6:51 p.m. CST

    no blood

    by fartedinthefaceofhollywood

    hmmm...did anyone notice that there isnt a drop of blood in The Dark Knight.....seriously, in all the seemingly brutal situations in that movie, not a hint or smear of blood...nothing. crazy isnt it???

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 6:54 p.m. CST

    the riddler

    by fartedinthefaceofhollywood

    the riddler seems like the best choice for a villain....the penguin isnt very menacing and hes awfully boring, bane wouldnt be a "clever" enough villain...he would probably come off as a big dumb brute which is probably not what people wanna see....so yeah, the riddler seems like the obvious choice if they wanna stay in the flow of things.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 6:55 p.m. CST

    and robin sucks

    by fartedinthefaceofhollywood

    hes a bullshit character.....has no business what so ever showing up in these films, maybe in that Joel Schumacher shit parade....but not Nolans version.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 7:12 p.m. CST

    WB is going to offer

    by dirtsandwich

    Nolan and clan a butt load of money. To ensure their investment, right after filming ends they are going to hire an assassin to take out the next actor playing the villain. This will ensure another Titanic teaser is gross $$$$. This will become a trend for production companies like Dreamworks, Tristar, Universal..etc. to take out one of the lead actors. So keep that in mind that whom ever plays the next villain, their days are numbered.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Dark Knight 2: Knight Darker

    by Iowa Snot Client

    I want my Bat Sprite.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 7:44 p.m. CST

    What about this guy for the Joker?

    by TinkerTIW

    Christian Slater? Physically and vocally I think he could evoke the same vibes as Heath. He also seems to have the same off-beat acting instincts. I could see him under the clown's makeup picking up where Ledger left off. I mean, of course, if anyone could.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 7:49 p.m. CST

    Someone needs to find that

    by dirtsandwich

    article from August 2007 and read the fucker. Find a link and post it. I don't trust Nolan. Not after The Prestige. Of course they are not going say he's coming back or not. If they can convince us that he's not, then it'll be a surprise. So this may have been a slip on Aaron's part.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Harvey Dent is a Lion !

    by G100

    Or was that alive ?

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 8:14 p.m. CST

    No, like someone said before

    by dirtsandwich

    Joseph Gordon-Levitt is the best bet. Have him in a limited role from a jail cell. Two-Face and The Riddler are the key players this time. Two-Face's face gets worse and worse infected, dripping with puss. The Joker comes back in the fourth film. Two-Face dies in the 3 film.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Men's Journal August 2007 with Aaron

    by dirtsandwich

    I thought I had heard that Oldman was signed for 3 films. He said he was interested in playing the Riddler.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Its vague for a reason

    by A for Aristocrat

    I dont think some people on this board are giving Nolan enough credit. I understand the need for people to have neat tidy endings but this isn't one of them. Regardless of what anyone says including Nolan it is very easy for Two Face to be in future films. I think Nolan did this on purpose. It gives some people closure on the story and others the hope that he will be back. I'm not saying Two Face is alive or dead but leaving two possibilities is the perfect end for that character.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 8:53 p.m. CST

    I think the 3rd film will have the bat bike

    by dirtsandwich

    again and introduce near the end some type of hover bat craft. One that's impossible to crash using its sonar and that it steers itself.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Nah, in the 3rd film Bats will be more eco-friendly

    by chrth

    He'll have an Electric Bat-Scooter

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 10:54 p.m. CST

    Memories-Of-Murder... is my MOM...

    by TheBLIGHT

    Just felt the need to add his/her name ONE MORE TIME to this Talkback... having briefly glanced at the level of posts directed at other TB's, and then just randomly coughed up, by MOM (Ha, just got it!), good god... Talking in Caps, swearing, the Bay-Bashing, 'Calling Out' other TB's, asking/writing them if they agree in a clearly 'I am going to through a tantrum' style if they do not agreed... Welcome back, say some? Nay, stay away, thing I... Also, before you start in MOM... I am Rubber, You are Glue, Whatever You Say Bounces Off Me and Sticks to... Zzzzzzz...

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 11:02 p.m. CST

    Dent... Is Dead... Alive... Alive in the 'Real' World....

    by TheBLIGHT

    There, covered all the bases, good night.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 11:21 p.m. CST

    I cannot believe the stupidity of this argument

    by jmyoung666

    Anyone who was sure Dent was (1) alive, or (2) dead has a problem. It may not be stupidity, but it's like a religious conviction for you guys. You cannot categorically say either way based upon the ending.

  • Sept. 4, 2008, 11:28 p.m. CST

    Memories-of-Murder

    by jmyoung666

    Are you always this stubborn and/or dense? "dent is dead because I say he was and no one can have a different interpretation." What are you, 5? Aaron Eckhart stated homself that it would be very easy to bring Dent back. Did Eckhart not understand the ending?

  • Sept. 5, 2008, 1:24 a.m. CST

    I say recast and get rid of batman,

    by cookylamoo

    Just do Joker, the early years, when he was making a fool out of Alfred in Cambodia.

  • Sept. 5, 2008, 2:03 a.m. CST

    harvey is as alive as cloverfield was voltron

    by ironic_name

    some motherfucker gotta try to iceskate uphill!

  • Sept. 5, 2008, 2:06 a.m. CST

    garth ennis likes to oraly pleasure young boys

    by ironic_name

    and he is a hack writer.

  • Sept. 5, 2008, 4:17 a.m. CST

    my final words here on this insanity...

    by Executor

    for Farted, jmyoung666 and the others who are saying it COULD happen. Yes, people CAN do anything. But WOULD they is the question. And the answer is no.<p>Not because I am in the director's head, but because common sense says no. Because while I may not operate at the level of brilliance of Nolan, I am operating at quite a few rungs above you who mistake what a director CAN do for what he logically WOULD do. For that matter, you can argue that Ras Al Ghul never died too. (Oh shit, don't get started on that please.) And actually, I'd accept that argument before I'd agree with Dent being alive, because Ras' death didn't really close any thematic loops, just served as an obligatory "villain death" at the end of the film. Likewise, if Batman didn't save the Joker and he fell to the ground, I would say (if it weren't for Heath's death) that the Joker could be "brought back to life" too. Because, again, his death wasn't thematically relevalant. <p> See the pattern yet?<p> If you get what the movie is saying and why the movie ended the way it did, then you will see the logic in it and why Harvey is dead.<p>If not, God bless you, and remember to call 911 if you eat too many crayons. <p> .<p> And Memories...thanks for adding some much needed intelligence to this discussion.

  • Sept. 5, 2008, 4:26 a.m. CST

    I don't want another Dark Knight

    by disfigurehead

    We will end up having another Batman and Robin. End it now on a high note. There is now way you can match the bank DTK has made.

  • Sept. 5, 2008, 4:28 a.m. CST

    Nolan's 'The Dark Knight Returns'

    by pokadoo

    Would be an awesome end to the series. Maybe do a couple more films (a film based on Knightfall?)then end with a loose adaptation of 'TDKR'. You could even follow that with a hi-tec Batman Beyond style reboot. Or not.

  • Sept. 5, 2008, 5:30 a.m. CST

    TDKR takes place in bruce's mind. superman punched him so hard..

    by ironic_name

    he hallucinated that he beat a bulletproof, nuclearproof flying alien.

  • Sept. 5, 2008, 5:35 a.m. CST

    Dark Knight Returns..Two Face.....Robin.

    by A for Aristocrat

    The Dark Knight Returns can't be done by Nolan. First off Nolan does his own interpretations of comic stories. With out Two Face, Robin, and Superman it would not be the Dark Knight Returns. Second, I dont know if Mister Reese, the Cat line, or Two Face's fate were intentional or happy accidents but they do create opportunities in the future if someone wants to pursue them. Third, Two Face's and Ra's Al Ghul's were both comic book deaths. Both could easily come back with little or no explination. Nolan didn't go out of his way like some Comic directors and show the bodies getting chewed up leaving no chance for a return. Again, I don't know if that was intentional on Nolans part but from the respect I have seen him give to these movies I want to believe it was. Lastly, I see the Nolan trilogy as year one. I don't want to see Two Face or even the Joker in the next movie. I want to see his take on other villains. After he is done I think they can tackle Robin. The father son relationship is a major part of Batman. There is a lot of story there and in the right hands it could be done properly. I agree that Nolan shouldnt tackle that aspect but at some point they should bring in Robin.

  • Sept. 5, 2008, 8:11 a.m. CST

    I Believed in Harvey Dent

    by AlmightyBong

    Bringing Two-Face back will make the whole point of The Dark Knight movie pointless. The ending of the movie says about not letting the Joker win. This is what makes Batman the Dark Knight. If Dent comes back as a villain in the next Batman film, then wouldn't that say that the Joker indeed won? And all that Batman sacrificed would be for nothing? Or on that note, the whole movie "The Dark Knight" would be pointless? I don't think Nolan would think of something great, and then just spoil it all just to bring back one magnificent character into his next film. It ain't in his book. So there. Even if I loved Dent in the movie, and even if it becomes my dying wish to see him again on the next, I would still go for a Dent-less 3rd Batman movie. If you have respect for The Dark Knight, I'm sure you would too.

  • Sept. 5, 2008, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Memories

    by fartedinthefaceofhollywood

    likewise, i think your cool too man...youre a little more unforgiving towards those who "got it wrong" but ya know....it is what it is. and i FULLY agree with the concept that Harvey Dent/ Two Face IS indeed dead...i caught on to that upon my first viewing, but after hearing people start shooting rumors that he was alive and all this and that, i thought it was super silly....but after seeing it 2 more times, i STILL didnt agree with them...but i could see how they would be misled to think that if they weren't on their "A-game", The Dark Knight was a "trickster" of a movie...and for those not paying close attention...i would see how some things would escape them or become out of focus. either way, i TOTALLY dig The Dark Knight...its on the list of my "favorite movies"...easily, its too well done to be ignored

  • Sept. 5, 2008, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Two Face should no way be in Batman 3

    by A for Aristocrat

    I don't think in any way that Two Face, Robin, or the Joker should be in Batman 3. I want to see Nolans take on other characters because so far everyone has been true to the source material. A scarecrow type cameo is fine but I want to see a Nolan Penguin, Catwoman, Riddler, Black Mask, Bane or who ever. However, Nolan might not even make a third. I don't see how he could top TDK but I would like to see him try. It would be perfectly reasonable for Nolan to walk away while on top. Even he seemed a little scared of the 3 curse. Regardless of his plans, Nolan left the doors open for all the characters he killed and I love that. Hopefully, Nolan will give his blessing to who ever takes over when he is gone. Nolan's Batman is very year one. Robin should be in another directors trilogy and it shouldn't be a brother or partner but as a son. The homophobic pedophilia arguement shows a lack of respect to the source material. Thank god Nolan has that respect. One other thing, Nolan did not create the character of Maroni he incorporated the character from Two Face's comic origin. Another reason I respect Nolan.

  • Sept. 5, 2008, 11:10 a.m. CST

    he's at it again

    by Lost Jarv

    What. A. Cock. Juggling. Thundercunt.

  • Sept. 5, 2008, 11:38 a.m. CST

    HoboCode

    by jimbubble

    Could not agree more,Jolie as Catwoman would suck harder than ..well Angelina Jolie! She can`t act for toffee,and all we would fxckin see is her pouty ass lips all through every scene. Fxck Catwoman,lets have Helena Bonham Carter as a freaked out Harlequin in Joker mode,along with Guy Pearce as the Riddler! Now that would rock`n`roll!

  • Sept. 5, 2008, 12:13 p.m. CST

    If you re-cast the Joker based on looks..

    by WickedJester

    James Franco's character from Pineapple Express + green hair dye and Chelsea smile = dead on.

  • Sept. 5, 2008, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Jerry Reed is delivering a truckload of fucking cash to Nolan!

    by Stuntcock Mike

    Eastbound and Down.

  • Sept. 5, 2008, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Executor and MOM

    by hst666

    Dent being alive would not invalidate the end at all. I believe that's a very literal and simple interpretation of the ending. The ending was about not letting the public know about Dent's fall from grace, not his death. The ending was not in ANY WAY dependent upon the character's death. Further, Nolan could have plans for the Dent character. The character could be hidden away somewhere with a broken back and Nolan may have a purpose for keeping him alive. BTW, have you seen Memento or the Prestige, Nolan does not go for the simple pat endings you seem to like.<p><p>Once again, I feel the need to state that I believe the ending was ambiguous, not that he was alive or dead.

  • Sept. 5, 2008, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Just cause i bored...

    by AnakinsDiapers

    Let me reiterate...Dents death is very obviously ambiguous. Anyone who can't accept such an obvious truth is a retard and an ass-hat. If that isn't enough to insult those who don't agree with me, please feel free to substitute my insults with ones that will.

  • Sept. 5, 2008, 2:35 p.m. CST

    David Tennant is The Riddler!

    by SpyGuy

    Look at me, I'm startin' rumors! WHEEEEEEEEE!!!!

  • Sept. 5, 2008, 2:53 p.m. CST

    actually, hes dr. who!!

    by ironic_name

    thanks for playing!

  • Sept. 5, 2008, 3:31 p.m. CST

    It is ambiguous

    by A for Aristocrat

    The fact that people are still arguing if he is alive or dead, that the producer thinks it is, and the actor that played the character had to ask Nolan if he died shows that its ambiguous. I have to believe that was intentional, Nolan isn't that sloppy.

  • Sept. 5, 2008, 4:22 p.m. CST

    You people are not making part 3 and thank God for it

    by BrightEyes

    All of you were the whiney little cunts crying about how Crispin Glover should play Joker the say Heath was announced.

  • Sept. 5, 2008, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Rachel's not dead either

    by trombone

    She will come back as Holiday. It will be a question of who is doing the killings. People will think it's Harvey Dent because it will be people he was trying to put away (of which Rachel will have intimate knowledge)<br><br> Also, Batman taking the blame for the killings really helps Batman. Remember the scene where Maroni says that "no one is going to give up the Joker for you"? Well, now everyone will believe that Batman can and will kill in retribution. So he becomes scarier. <br> <br> I read somewhere that the villain is the expression of whatever it is that Batman is working through as a character at the time. Bane would certainly fit the "Hunt the Dark Knight" scenario. And his connection to Ras Al Guhl

  • Sept. 5, 2008, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Fine, but remember when Maguire & Dunst weren't coming back, too

    by finky089

    So, just because they're saying these thigns now is no reason to completely rule it out. Things change. <p> I mean, look at the recent Spidey 4/5 news. It's not a done deal, but it's still not over til it's over.

  • Sept. 5, 2008, 7:13 p.m. CST

    The next movie could go ANYwhere

    by trombone

    I believe that if Nolan decided he wanted to make Superman the villain, then WB would let him AND HE WOULD PULL IT OFF. <br> <br> He could make Bruce gay, and he would pull it off. Heck, he could even put nipples on the Bat-Suite AND PULL IT OFF.

  • Sept. 5, 2008, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Nolan could even invent a new villain

    by trombone

    He could recast the Joker AND WE WOULD LOVE HIM FOR IT.