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Sigourney Weaver chats briefly about AVATAR!!!

Hey folks, Harry here... Thanks to Chris - a reader from Germany - he has made us aware of a brief Audio file from an interview with Sigourney Weaver which entirely concerns AVATAR - the movie that I feel we're collectively holding our breath awaiting the first real image, footage and trailer for. It's funny - the other day I sat down to watch the entire first series of the SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES, mainly at the behest of the talkbackers protesting my Train Wreck comment. Many said that I should watch past the first couple of episodes, as the show really did pick up. Boy do I agree. I'd say the last 4 episodes in the run really attempted to try to be great - on the budget they had. I loved where they were trying to go with the character work, but after completing the first season, I decided I had to put on my HD DVD of TERMINATOR 2 - that First Season finished up as a love sonnet to TERMINATOR 2 and it made me want to check it out again. Although I had watched it about 3 months prior... as... I fucking love that movie. It is flawless. An absolutely exquisite work. The performances, the music, the photography, the editing, the visual effects, the story. Just absolutely perfect - without a shiny penny moment one. The thought hit me again, Cameron is again working on Science Fiction. He's only gone there a few times. TERMINATOR, ALIENS, THE ABYSS & TERMINATOR 2. The only flawed effort was the theatrical release of THE ABYSS - his Director's cut is a supreme triumph - but now we have a new science fiction effort coming from Jim. I've known and been familiar with AVATAR for nearly 12 years now. I remember when I first came across his Scriptment. It stunned me. At the time I read it, I didn't fully understand how he could realize it. When I spoke with Cameron in advance of the shoot - it seemed that it had evolved quite a bit - and that over the past 12 years he's revisited the scriptment, worked to hone it, flesh it out - using his own adventurous exploits and studies to add a personal stake to the material - while developing the cameras and visual effects for it. I've spoken with a few people that have seen glimpses at it - and it isn't just what they say, it's the enthusiasm and the lack of words to describe what we have in store for us... that really gets me. That we have OVER a year to wait is painful. That his plan was to debut imagery or footage at next year's ShoWest... well pretty much ensures that I'll be in Vegas. Sorry Quint, sorry SXSW... if he does debut footage there, I'm going to be there if I have to dig a tunnel from another hotel to the room to get there. This is the film I'm most excited for. Give Sigourney a listen...

Dear Harry, Moriarty and Quint, First let me say I really love what you guys are doing! I’m a huge fan of James Cameron and his movies. Today I found a new interview a German magazine did with Sigourney Weaver. It is an interview via phone where Sigourney is talking about AVATAR. Here is the link to the site where you can find the audio player (below the ad!): Click Here To Give It A Listen! Best wishes from Germany, Chris
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  • Aug. 31, 2008, 2:09 a.m. CST

    Is M. Night Shyamalan directing this?

    by PirateEmery

    And is Sigourney Weaver playing the bald monk kid that does that airbending stuff?

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 2:09 a.m. CST

    friend worked on this

    by s0nicdeathmonkey

    guess he was really first.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 2:11 a.m. CST

    pirate you dick.....

    by dalbatron

    The monk kid has hair.....

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 2:15 a.m. CST


    by dalbatron

    i was thinking of someone else....

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 2:19 a.m. CST

    What The Hell, It's All In German???

    by Media Messiah

    No translation???

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 2:30 a.m. CST

    I have no knowledge of this movie whatsoever

    by deanbarry

    But it's JC, so i'm excited.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 2:31 a.m. CST

    Abyss Director's Cut is shit.

    by veebeeyes

    The movie was only okay anyway, but the director's cut was awful. What made it awful? The subplot about how the aliens/bioluminescent organisms/whatever have been watching human civilization for a long time, and are so upset at the atrocities that we commit against each other that they decide to KILL EVERYONE. That shit is stupid. Ever heard someone say something like, "man, there's so much violence in the middle east, it's just awful. We ought to just nuke the whole region." That's what The Abyss Director's Cut was. The theatrical cut was a mediocre movie with some great scenes. The director's cut turned it into a rationalization of every xenophobic racist redneck who wants the brownies to die and makes up bullshit excuses about how killing them is doing them a favour. The Director's Cut turned an average harmless sci-fi movie into a hateful load of shit. Fuck The Abyss Director's Cut. And By extension, fuck The Abyss in general. And while I'm hating on James Cameron's movies, I'd might as well say fuck Terminator 2 as well. I don't feel like getting into why I hate T2 so much, though, so right now I'm not going to give an explanation. I will just say that right now, I'm so pissed off at James Cameron that I'm almost willing to say "fuck Avatar", even though I know fuck-all about it. But to James Cameron's credit, The Terminator and Aliens were just sublime.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 2:33 a.m. CST

    The Dark Knight beats Disaster Movie's gross on Friday.

    by otm shank

    So maybe there's still hope for this country....maybe.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 2:37 a.m. CST

    Can't Wait

    by Alen Smithee

    This movie's gonna rock!

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 2:39 a.m. CST

    I want the Abyss directors cut in Blu-ray

    by Hercules

    so we can see what those tidal waves look like on a big screen

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 2:50 a.m. CST

    I want ALL Jim Cameron movies on Blu-Ray

    by deanbarry


  • Aug. 31, 2008, 2:51 a.m. CST

    Looking 4ward to Clips. Til Then, WATCHMEN Baby!

    by grievenom

    Definitely will check out Avatar. But my #1 right now for next year is Watchmen.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 3:02 a.m. CST

    Bluray? How about just a anamorphic DVD

    by Mace Tofu

    Non-anamorphic DVDs suck. TRUE LIES & ABYSS = non anamorphic transfers on DVD.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 3:07 a.m. CST

    It's an exploitation story so yeah, a bit ecological

    by G100

    From what I've read Avatar is about exploring, conquering and exploiting resources so there's a definite ecological angle possibly in the same sort of way that Apocalypto was ecological but still felt somewhat "otherworldly" because of the distance in time and strangeness of the culture. (though to be fair Avatar seems to be Apocalypto AFTER the conquistadors arrive.)<p> <p>It's a hard story to make without it seeming trite or achingly earnest. (even if those deluded enough to think it has no relevance today are wingnuts or living with their head in the sand.)<p> <p>So Cameron had best put away his Titanic sentimentality or it'll be amazing eye candy dazzling the mind away from a paper thin story.<p> <p>I'm hopefull though. If done correctly it could be amazing. For example Greg Bear's "Legacy" novel is a superb example of how to do an utterly alien planet story with a strange but compelling boiosphere with it's unique evolution reacting to the flawed humans trying to exploit the alien world.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 3:11 a.m. CST

    sorry that may have needed a SPOILER tag looking back

    by G100

    I'm not sure how much is known about the Avatar TBH and what I know are generalities not specifics.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 3:23 a.m. CST

    pilodinal cyst

    by deanbarry

    ha ha ha ha ha

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 3:40 a.m. CST

    Sarah Connor Chronicles

    by Bass Ackwards

    The real saving grace of that show is Garret Dillahunt, the guy puts out a bad ass Terminator. It wasn't until I did an imdb that I realized I'd seen the guy in flicks like Assassination of Jesse James and No Country for Old Men.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 3:42 a.m. CST

    There's no doubt we've ruined the planet

    by LightninBolt

    Hoping Avatar is a cultural high mark before everything gets crazy. At the very least I suspect it will have the most developed and detailed alien world we've ever seen on screen. Which is exciting. I for one am majorly depressed about the environmen. Even the actual decline in species we have seen in the last 100 years or so is terrifying. The moviesShould be some of the best escapism around, ironically...

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 3:42 a.m. CST

    Damn You Michael Bay


    Damn You Michael Bay

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 3:46 a.m. CST

    Here's how we say goodbye in Germany, Dr. Jones!

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 3:47 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    The Abyss and T2 are two of the all time great sci-fi movies. I'm sorry you don't enjoy them.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 3:48 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Didn't you see The Abyss Special Edition on the big screen in 1993? It was awesome.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 3:49 a.m. CST

    Who Cares?

    by Roketopunch

    Why do some fan boys fawn over his very few works? I like some of it but, i wouldn't put any of it in the top 25 movies ever made. Yes,, I agree MCMLXXVI... Damn you Michael Bay!

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 3:49 a.m. CST

    Avatar will blow Watchmen away

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Jim Cameron vs Zack Snyder? No contest.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 3:50 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Well I care for starters. I'm sure there's a few others too.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 3:58 a.m. CST

    Harry needs to get laid more and...

    by Kommandok

    this movie is gonna blow away George Lucas! Hahahahahahahaa!!!

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 4 a.m. CST

    Harry, maybe you should WATCH shows before you

    by MattmanReturns

    make negative comments about them. What'd you do, watch the pilot and then decide the show was a train wreck? I hope after the Battlestar fiasco and now Sarah Connor that you've learned not to do that anymore. It's misleading to people who actually trust your opinion. As a critic you have a responsibility to not make rash remarks about something you haven't seen all the way through. A lot of good shows have slow, questionable starts. Look at Star Trek: The Next Generation.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 4:23 a.m. CST


    by one9deuce

    Anyone saying that AVATAR will somehow be irrelevant because of an environmental message is fucking retarded. Is global warming real? I don't know. Is overpopulation and abuse of the earth's natural resources and wildlife real. Yep. <p> Besides, the fact that we no longer live in a Cold War atmosphere hardly makes THE DAY THE EARTH STAND STILL any less of a masterpiece.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 4:25 a.m. CST


    by one9deuce


  • Aug. 31, 2008, 4:26 a.m. CST

    "global warming is a fraud"

    by MattInTheHat

    Yes Spaz it is, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't live responsibly and take care of our home. We should be doing that anyway regardless of global warming. After hundreds of years of shitting in our own bed it is starting to get pretty rank for future generations in some places.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 4:35 a.m. CST


    by one9deuce

    Also, I agree with a few posters here about THE ABYSS. James Cameron's one misstep I would say. I think the theatrical-cut is a good movie, while everything else in his filmography is just about perfect. But the directors-cut of THE ABYSS doesn't really work for me. I think it's better than the theatrical-cut, but the ocean-aliens wanting to wipe out Earth's population because we are too violent to each other just doesn't make any sense. Still, it has some amazing scenes, there is nobody like Cameron. <p> I can't wait until AVATAR takes it's place alongside KING KONG, STAR WARS, and JURASSIC PARK as a seismic shift in SFX.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 4:56 a.m. CST


    by Fortunesfool

    The Abyss was a seismic shift in SFX. The water tentacle led to the T-1000 which led to Jurassic Park. Without that succesful test, who knows what might have happened. I feel sorry for all you kids who haven't looked forward to a new Jim Cameron movie. You have to make do with Michael Bay.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 5:06 a.m. CST

    Will A V A T A R make 1 BILLION DOLLARS?

    by ABking

    We find out next December :)

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 5:21 a.m. CST

    The Abyss

    by kwisatzhaderach

    The ending of the special edition makes perfect sense. The aliens come to Earth and settle in our abyssal trenches. They send out various probes and keep an eye on our culture but have no real contact with our species until they accidentally down the USS Montana. After that they are threatened by the actions of Coffey and deem mankind to be an aggressive and primitive species, a species that invented the means to utterly destroy itself. They judge mankind to be a threat to themselves and all intelligent life. But it is through the actions of Bud, who selflessly sacrifices himself in his one-way ticket descent into the abyss to save both his friends and the aliens that they come to realise mankind is not the way they thought it was, and is instead worthy of saving. They bow to Bud at the end, to acknowledge they were mistaken, and to thank him for teaching them about the true values of humanity. As I said earlier, it all makes perfect sense.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 5:31 a.m. CST

    Actually Fortunesfool

    by SnakesOnABicycle

    It was the glass knight in Young Sherlock that led to The Abyss water alien, that led to T2's T-1000.You sound like an ass when you try to correct people with the wrong shit.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 5:31 a.m. CST

    I hope every dumbfuck on here.....

    by the1980mutant

    makes a comment about how we humans have not made an impact on the planet and global warming/overpopulation is not a problem so that their Grandkids who are struggling to make it can look back and hate the fuck out of their idiot Grandfather/Grandmother

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 5:36 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    You're missing out the morphing sequence in Willow, which had the most direct impact on the fx work in The Abyss.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 5:44 a.m. CST

    Damn, I'll be there...popcorn and all

    by Shub-Wankalot

    Helping myself to a slice of heaven...

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 5:46 a.m. CST

    Mace Tofu

    by kwisatzhaderach

    I'll bet Fox repackage The Abyss and True Lies next year to tie into the release of Avatar. What I wouldn't pay for an Abyss commentary with Cameron and Ed Harris. Cameron's T2 commentary is almost as good as the film itself, very incisive, especially as to why today's action movies don't really work.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 5:49 a.m. CST

    Let the dance of the Mancats commence

    by Nabster

    James Cameron is a god, no doubt, but this movie sounds weird as shit. Even then, the 3d technology should be incredible, probably unparalleled.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 5:51 a.m. CST

    M-O-O-N. That spells James Cameron is awesome.

    by Tom Cullen

    To see so many people who don't give a damn about a new James Cameron film on a site that is all about the love of film, frankly, makes me more than a little depressed, and leaves me wondering just who the fuck are you people? Especially as the man won't have had a (non doco) film on screens in 12 years by the time Avatar hits. I mean just to put that in perspective, The Terminator, Aliens, The Abyss, Terminator 2, True Lies, Titanic and his writing duties on Rambo: First Blood part 2 and Strange Days all saw fruition in a 13 year period, almost the same amount of time that Cameron has been dormant now, film wise. <p>Now Avatar may be another superb addition to his filmography, I truly hope it is, and I expect and hope for great things, but nobody is going to know until we sit our asses down in front of it in a years plus time, but again, how any fan of film isn't at least excited by the prospect of finally getting a brand new James Cameron film next year, that just blows my fragile little mind, it really does.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 5:54 a.m. CST

    The Abyss

    by bollocks

    The aliens weren't attempting to wipe out the world - let's face it, it's not just humanity that would of suffered. What they were attempting to do, and I think showed, was that there were bigger forces at work on Earth than the puny earthlings!

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 5:56 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Exactly, it was a demonstration of power, effectively saying 'grow up' to the humans.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 5:58 a.m. CST

    Tom Cullen

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Amen brother. Don't forget Cameron's script for Point Break too.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 6:16 a.m. CST

    pussycat people, IN SPAAAAAAAAAACE!

    by ironic_name

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 6:29 a.m. CST

    I dislike 3d

    by Reelheed

    it makes action scenes look like poo

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 7:07 a.m. CST


    by Motoko Kusanagi

    Hell yeah!

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 7:12 a.m. CST

    This movie will kick ASS big time!!!

    by Sackratte

    The technology used in this movie is groundbreaking. Actors in 3d really look like real actors. There is a video on YouTube where the technology is shown... a woman is talking about the new technology and I always thought why they aren't showing any of this new stuff... until I realized the woman is in 3D and not a real person! If the movie uses this technology compared with 3D it will blow you away. Fantastic stuff! Compared with the story and the first science fiction movie in a very long time (I would say since the first Star Wars movies) which shows us a complete new SciFi World with vegetation, new creatures and stuff we haven't seen before... this movie sure will be something very special. I don't know if it will be enough to get the normal audience interested but for geeks THIS MOVIE WILL ROCK HARD!

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 7:48 a.m. CST

    If you people don't stop shitting on THE ABYSS....

    by FlickaPoo

    ...I'm going to have to take steps...I'm going to have to take steps...

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 7:48 a.m. CST

    Terminator 2 over rated.

    by jah_kingdom

    Terminator 3 is a much better film.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 7:53 a.m. CST

    Also, not only has THE ABYSS aged very well...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...but anyone old enough to have seen it on the big screen when it first came out knows that it blew their pantyhose off.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 7:59 a.m. CST

    Thirdly, good for Harry for having received words...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...of wisdom and watched SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES as God intended...and then confessing his mistaken opinions publicly for all to hear. I had to perform the same penitence over BATTLESTAR GALACTICA last year. It stung a bit...but it was well worth it.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 8:14 a.m. CST

    I said I was going to have to take steps...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...and now you dun gone and made me take steps...

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 8:23 a.m. CST

    ColWTH...just go drill into some baby polar bears....

    by FlickaPoo

    ...with your pal Sarah Palin and leave the rest of us alone. You can cuddle on poached polar bar skins while sipping crude oil daiquiris...touch each others pink parts while whispering about teaching Creationism in public'll love it.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 8:39 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    The Abyss remains one of the most gobsmacking cinema experiences going. Powerful and visceral.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 8:40 a.m. CST

    Who are these people

    by kwisatzhaderach

    who think The Abyss is rubbish and think Terminator 3 is better than Terminator 2? And where do they come from?

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 9:23 a.m. CST


    by alienindisguise

    Did you totally ignore Edward Furlong's ass awful performance? Same with Linda Hamilton.She was trying too damn hard to be a badass and it came off as goofy ala Christian Bale as Batman. A cool movie, sure but a long f'n way from flawless.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 9:31 a.m. CST

    Abyss is easily my favorite Cameron film.

    by rbatty024

    I own the director's cut and at this point I don't even remember the difference between the theatrical version and the version I own. Cameron has created an awful lot of anticipation for his film. Let's hope he can deliver.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 9:37 a.m. CST

    T2 is the best action/sci-fi movie ever made.

    by UMAGA

    Nope, not overrated. You know this to be true.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 10:07 a.m. CST

    Cameron's Planet Of The Apes

    by 420 Boylston St

    Harry mentioned at onetime he would tell us and share some information on Jim's Planet Of The Apes script, but never did. Has anyone had a hold of Cameron's script and could you tell me what his version was about? Also if anyone would like to share this script please if you can share?

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 10:12 a.m. CST


    by g-ride9000

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Nuclear War is to 80s what Global Warming is to 00s

    by JackRabbitSlim

    And overpopulation was to the 1970s - a legitimate concern but ridiculously overhyped. Please try and tell me the nuclear-threat movies of the past - Hunt for Red October - Day After - etc etc etc aren't painfully dated, just as Soylent Green's fear of an overpopulated world seems foolish in the light of plummeting birthrates in developed countries. Yammering about global warming and these other globalkillers, end of everything as we know it, fills the deathwish need of atheists and agnostics that the godbleaters find in The End of Days. There is something about the human psyche that seems to find it masochistically appealing the idea that the end of the world is nigh ... despite the fact the planet has been around for 4 billion years or such. Doncha think its a bit unlikely you just happen to be there at the time it all comes crashing down? My guess is a more rational explanation would be a simple transference of denial of ones own mortality placed on a greater scale ie I can only die if the rest of the world dies with me. Hate to break this to you but in the grand scheme of things none of us are really that important.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 11:22 a.m. CST

    A hearty FUCK YOU to all the fuckbags...

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    ...that try to badmouth such a masterpiece like T2. FUCK YOU ALL TO HELL!

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 11:24 a.m. CST

    One humble criticism of T2

    by Mr Gorilla

    CLearly it's an astonishing film. The photography is unbelievable. Amazing action and so on. But does anyone here agree with me that the best action scenes are the initial meet & storm drain chase, plus the escape of Sarah from prison. The whole movie's very enjoyable, but I don't think the rest ever hits those early heights. Especially the way that the T-1000 seems to kepp hijacking big lorries.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 11:25 a.m. CST


    by JDanielP

    How's THAT for enthusiasm? (Can I go with ya, Harry?)

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 11:25 a.m. CST

    I love this quote from Cameron:

    by kwisatzhaderach

    "We're going to blow you to the back wall of the theatre in a way you haven't seen for a long time," the 52-year-old director said. "My goal is to rekindle those amazing mystical moments my generation felt when we first saw 2001: A Space Odyssey, or the next generation's Star Wars." Sorry Spymunk13, my money's on Iron Jim to do it again.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Mr Gorilla

    by kwisatzhaderach

    I'm a big T2 fan but I do agree that the film peaks early. The storm drain chase is just unbelievable filmmaking.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 11:31 a.m. CST

    But what's it about?

    by The StarWolf

    Another 'rah, rah, sis-boom-bah' cheerleading review which utterly fails to give the reader any actually useful information such as, oh, WHAT THE HECK IS IT ABOUT?!?!

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 11:33 a.m. CST


    by The StarWolf

    The 70s had it right. It isn't the internal compustion engine engine that's the problem, it's the fact that so many people are using them. In other words, overpopulation. Too many people, too few resources. Work it out.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 11:34 a.m. CST

    You know what would be REALLY something to see?

    by JDanielP

    Imagine if James Cameron ends up being the man who (finally) directs "THE JUSTICE LEAGUE" ...though he does strike me as more of a Marvel guy. Just the idea of Cameron directing ANY superhero flick, however distant in the future, gives me goosebumps. And who knows? Maybe he's destined for a return to Spider-man.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Fuck James Cameron

    by ROBRAM89

    He makes a movie that makes two billion dollars and we never hear from him again until now. That is not an artist.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 11:38 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    I understand what you're saying but I think if a filmmaker tells a brilliant story then those magical moments can still happen. I didn't see Speed Racer as the trailer looked horrible to me and I've given up on the Wachowskis (if I was ever on them in the first place) but from what i've heard it's probably not the best example to choose for audience interest. For instance a recent screening of The Dark Knight I attended had 90% of the audience attentive through a 150 minute running time.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 11:47 a.m. CST

    James Cameron

    by 420 Boylston St

    Dark Knight has nothing to do with this topic. Someone has to know something about Cameron's Planet of the apes. HARRY!!!!!

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Hey just what you see pal.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 12:19 p.m. CST

    T2's theatrical ending made T3 work better....

    by Monkey_King

    Although the Grandma Sarah clips in the Ultimate Edition made T3 look like shit.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Why AVATAR will Rule, sight *ahem* unseen

    by Stormwatcher

    Uh, its made by James Cameron, is shot in Imax 3D. Is going to get beaucoup millions spent promoting it. The script is considered Gold (having read most of it I would agree). Its action filled and its SciFi. A year from now will you come back here and post 'I guess I was wrong, this movie was great and seems to be making hundreds of millions' oh and I talked to my mom and it turned out not everyone was straight ripping in the 70's just her and the clan of men she was cluster fucking. Daddy are you out there? I would like to see that post. I will recall this page for your handled in a year time and call you out. You'll see. You'll be all HIllary clinton remembering sniper fire when it was only camera shutters.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 12:20 p.m. CST


    by TurdontheRun

    Are you just trying to get people's backs up with your gibbering fucking nonsense, pal? fresh from talking complete crap about spielberg's tin tin in a previous talkback, you're here to declare that james cameron's Avatar will be an almighty flop, clearly with no knowledge whatsoever about the movie. no, I can tell you that avatar will NOT be a flop. in fact, being someone who has read the early scriptment, it stands a very good chance of being iron jim's magnum opus. what's all this shit about it not being action-oriented? there are several GIGANTIC action set-pieces in the scriptment,and with an action-master like cameron at the helm they stand a very good chance of being absolutely extraordinary. the story has a lot of hard science in it, but it is visceral, intense, and exciting like most of cameron's genre work, not simply a mere nature walk or just pretty visuals. it has just as much in common with Aliens, as it has with the Abyss (which is a masteriece anyway). there will be plenty here for the mass audience who just want to see cool shit, battles and explosions. and by the way, what's wrong with supposed 'liberal' sentiments against nuclear disarmament, and global warming? cameron's movies have always had liberal themes like these (integrated quite unobtrusively and well balanced with the visceral action stuff and narrative), and are none the poorer for it. does that make his movies, or films like the abyss, 'soft' or 'sentimental', or do immature pricks like you just want to see things go 'bang' and be supposedly 'dark', as if that's an automatic sign of credibility? these are legitimate threats to human existence, so any bible-thumping, right-wing idiots should shut the fuck up. prediction: Avatar will become the second highest grossing film ever, and cameron will have the top two grossing films of all time. take that to the fucking bank.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Oh and going back, do Liberals rally rant? I know Republicans do

    by Stormwatcher

    Usually about terror and monsters and gay people stealing their penises while they sleep. But I can't think of too many rants by liberals where they get all frothy at the mouth and chant mantras of hate at fossil fuels ect... I mean really, Liberal rant? More like 'I do protest' is closer to the truth.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 1:08 p.m. CST

    I got one thig to say:

    by Dark Knight Lite

    DARK KNIGHT passes $500,000,000.00

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Do Liberals Rant?

    by Toonol

    Seriously? There are tons of legitimate criticisms of the right, but saying they _rant_ more than the left is not one of them. The Dems have mastered the art of rant, from the top campaign management to the kooks on the street. Didn't you see the convention?

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 1:15 p.m. CST

    The scriptment i read was great,

    by CharyouTree

    not to much eco warrior shit I can remember, more being about how western civilizations supplant indigenous cultures, and cool ass floating mountains, and isnt it a NEW type of 3D, which I heard some label 4D?

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 1:15 p.m. CST

    T1 > T3 > T2

    by odysseus

    There. I said it.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Global Warming is kind of trendy.

    by Toonol

    Not a fraud; it seems to exist. But its current place in pop culture will seem outdated eventually. The more general problem of resource depletion and overpopulation is, and probably always will be, a legitimate subject for concern.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 1:19 p.m. CST

    yeah T2 did have a lame ending

    by Rupee88

    and some dumb dialogue throughout...but it's still the best action/sci-fi film of the last 20 yrs...I agree. The Abyss was flawed as well, but still a very good film. Avatar will probably be Cameron's "Eyes Wide Shut" i'm afraid, but looking forward to seeing how far he can push the technology.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 1:24 p.m. CST

    the only thing that can ruin this movie is..

    by CharyouTree

    Michelle Rodriguez

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 1:39 p.m. CST

    $5 says that Avatar comes out in 2018.

    by PirateEmery

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 1:44 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    T3 has been blanked from my memory.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 2:10 p.m. CST

    The Abyss

    by Rommel Catuncan

    What I liked about 'The Abyss' was the relationship between Ed Harris and Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio. That's what left the biggest impression on me when I first saw it as a teenager. And I think 'Eyes Wide Shut' is great but I'm completely used to people ragging on that film.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 2:13 p.m. CST

    She was funny in Baby Mama...

    by FuckMichaelBay

    ...Cameron + Weaver = AWESOME!

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Avatar will "flop" because of it´s own technology

    by darth rod

    If Avatar is really what they are selling us, a revolutionary 3d film that is going to open our eyes, thought and executed for this new 3d, then there is no way that it will work as a 2d film, so basically just a few theaters globally will be able to project this monster, with just a few theaters projecting it there is no way it will make titanic money, highest grossing imax movie of all time? sure, second highest grossing of all time? I don´t think so, unless they release it also as another "pointless" regular 2d film, unless all this 3d revolution is garbage and a gimmick like all 3d movies.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Ugh, everytime I get excited for this flick...

    by Bass Ackwards

    ...I'm reminded of Michelle Rodriguez. Thanks for the cold shower Charyou.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Jack Black as King Tut

    by FlyingToupee

    Warner Brothers,considering TDK as being "too dark", has decided to replace Chris Nolan with Rob Cohen for BATMAN BEGINS 3. Jack Black is going to blow our socks off as the fabulous Pharaoh, King Tut, who will revive an ancient Egyptian mummy(F.Murray Abraham). Joining these villians will be Mike Myers as Doctor Evil. WB and New Line are going to team up and make this a Batman/Austin Powers crossover. Mini Me will don the Robin costume and help Batman(now played by Josh Lucas) fight these dastardly villians. John Goodman will play a fat, depressed Gordon. Screenplay by Lorenzo Semple, Jr. I can't wait.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 2:30 p.m. CST

    by John_T_Chance

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 2:31 p.m. CST

    I trust Cameron to pull this all off.

    by John_T_Chance

    Genius. 'Nuff said.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 2:39 p.m. CST

    "Nuff said"

    by PotSmokinAlien

    If 'nuff' really has been said, then there's no reason to say, "Nuff said."

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 2:40 p.m. CST


    by PotSmokinAlien

    I hope that this is a good movie. Been wayyyy too fucking long since a truly legendary scifi movie has come out. (No, TDK does not count.)

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 3:01 p.m. CST

    I can't wait to see a cam of Avatar

    by G100

    Srriously ! That would be priceless. It would look SO bizzarre.<p> <p>Also, I like Eyes Wide Shut and Zardoz but realise this puts me in a very small minority. So be it.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Jimmy C. and his joints

    by Dollar Bird

    I'm genuinely curious about this film because I'm wondering how "alien" they're going to make this world. If it's just going to be riffs on stuff we already know, like the critters from "Evolution" (remember that one? Nice monsters, dumb movie.) or some really weird stuff like Barlowe's book, Expidition. (Remind me not of the teevee version.) I'm hoping more for the latter. I want to see living things that make no sense. But, you never know with Cameron. His movies always leave me unsatisfied. "Terminator" was okay. "True Lies", okay, but so over the top in many places it nearly died ("You're fired." Jaimie Lee Curtis' dance). "T2" was okay, but that thumbs up is SO lame. "Titanic" was terrible, I thought, and I kept rooting for Billy Zane. But, I've always had a soft spot for "The Abyss", but having recently seen the director's cut, it's pretty heavy-handed. From Ed Harris' "Liiiiiiiiiivvvvvve!" cries at his wife while she's blue to the anti-Cold War messages. The edited version is just a little tighter. (Even if it does include "Liiiiiiivvvvvve!") I do like how Harris's hand is blue the whole movie after he chucks his wedding ring into the toilet. Nice touch.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Took my 7 year old to Hellboy 2- The Golden Army

    by Jaws Wayne

    And he thought it rocked. It was his first ever "genre" film he saw at the cinema, he had only seen animation (2D and CGI) films so far. A pretty cool movie to start with as a young boy I thought. Freakin' loved it myself as well, definitely my fave '08 summer film. Nex year I'll no doubt take him with me to Avatar, it's great to take your kids to movies like this, I know I dug that SO much when I was a young kid.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Avatar is going to skull fuck

    by dirtsandwich

    every movie. You'll have to tie your fucking mouth shut to keep your jaw from hitting the sticky floor. Wear a diaper because you are going shit, piss and blow your wad in your pants. That wouldn't be to considerate to the ushers having to clean up all the bodily fluids. And I bet there will be one fuck who will see it that will attempt to move while watching and choke to death on a milk dud, and another fuck will die trying to take a drink but drowned to death because they gasped at the same time and filled their lungs with Mug Rootbeer.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Just because Enviromentalism is a fad

    by bottombrick

    and full of shit doesn't mean a good director can't tell a good story that weaves in worst case scenario material. T2 did feature nuclear annihiation. Were you crying the whole time about how liberal it was? Even if you don't believe in god you can watch the excorsist or the ninth configuration and enjoy it because its just a convention of the story, its stock and parcel of what a story does.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Anyone bashing T2 or The Abyss can go fuck themselves

    by bullet3

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 4 p.m. CST

    Not sure it's a masterpiece octagon but it's very good

    by G100

    Just from a cinematic perspective it's a bit too low key and ponderous. However it is a slow burner and rewards multiple viewings.<p> I fall into the school of thought that thinks Cruises first words "have you seen my wallet ?" is key. As is the later phrase "shall we talk about money ?". I find it to be a critique on modern consumer values as much as anything else but it does have a nice ambiguity that lends it multiple readings.<p> <p>And I just like Zardoz because it's pretty nutty but isn't afraid of that and in fact revels in it's eccentricity as well as throwing some nice ideas and set pieces about.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 4:09 p.m. CST

    The environmental aspect

    by dirtsandwich

    is about not so much global warming but the rape of its resources. They are going to the planet to mine it. It has some valuable properties. Because humans have done the same on Earth and fucked it up. Which is true and it's only going to get worse. Just deal with the fucking truth.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 4:10 p.m. CST

    AVATAR = Segway

    by codereduk

    All hype, all the time, but when you finall see it, you'll be like, " that all then?" But, by all means, keep building that hype, kiddies, it will just make the disappointment all the sweeter xx

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 4:13 p.m. CST

    BE warned though watching EWS too many times

    by G100

    Will have you wondering just what the hell Kubrick has against Christmas lights ????<p> <p>Seriously Kubrick !?! they are fucking EVERYWHERE in Eyes Wide Shut.<p> <p>I'm beginning to think all those boxes he kept after his death are just full of Christmas Tree Lights.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Anthropenic global warming

    by Garbage

    If you tie AGW up with "environmentalism," and call the whole thing a "silly fad," may God have mercy on your planet. I'm unsettled myself as to how much human beings may or may not be contributing to climate change, but seriously, chums . . . if you hate Al Gore and his movie, fine; if you think AGW is a myth, great; but as soon as a person projects that belief onto environmentalism as a whole, then I know I'm dealing with a brain heavily drenched with oatmeal. And there are, sadly, a lot of people who do just that: if someone says that invasive alien species or oil sands development have negative environmental and human health effects, these jokers will say, "There go the ecoterrorists again, trying to scare up some more funding . . ." It makes me so mad, I could eat something.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Global warming is REAL but we're not causing it

    by performingmonkey

    And even if we were there's FUCK ALL we can do to slow it down and stop it from happening. Just as long as it's implanted in your mind that if you turn off that 60 Watt bulb and walk to work you're saving the planet. Get a grip. We're talking billions of individual factors that can't be changed. The Earth is going into a natural warming phase that could very well lead to another ice age in, oh what, a few million year's time. The human race will have destroyed itself by then anyway.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Warming is real but don't feel bad, it *really* isn't our fault

    by Stormwatcher

    Its all of our governements forcing us to use these inificient and polluting systems. Who invented the combustible engine? and who holds back the electric car? Who uses oil to make packaging or over packages stuff with needless paper and cardboard? Not you. Not me. Manufacturing companies, the government, big oil. We are just their tools and their pawns and their slaves. I will feel bad for the planet, I will cry for it, but I will not blame myself. I will blame those who force us to tod ith

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Sorry, but I have to agree with CoderUK

    by PirateEmery

    I don't see why all of you have built up such a shrine to AVATAR. Might I also remind you that Indy 4 was highly anticipated as well?

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 4:54 p.m. CST


    by PirateEmery

    You know who also cried for this planet? That Native American dude...

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 4:58 p.m. CST


    by Kentucky Colonel

    I'm going to see it tonight at AFI Silver. You should be so lucky!

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 5:19 p.m. CST


    by BigGuy219

    Michelle Rodriguez is going to be great in this. :)

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 5:20 p.m. CST


    by Cheif Brody

    Can't wait for THAT on Blu-Ray.

  • By god he did it ! he really did it!!!

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 5:33 p.m. CST


    by TheNorthlander

    I think you watch FOX News too much, man.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Avatar teaser on The Day The Earth Stood Still?

    by Rindain

    Let's hope...Zoe Saldana did say we'd probably see footage by the end of the year.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 5:56 p.m. CST


    by Dollar Bird

    I've known I am an asshole for a long, long time, but I'm glad you picked up on it. I am mildly sorry my opinions differ from yours. I could say something snide about acrostic poetry now, but I'll refrain and instead bring up "Zardoz" again. Now, talk about a heavy-handed movie! "The gun is good! The penis is evil!" (And all the while Sean Connery is walking around in a red diaper while a giant stone head vomits rifles—and that's just the beginning of the film!) The best line, though, is where Zed wistfully recalls, "I took a woman in the name of Zardoz, where the sea meets the land." The fact that the same mind was behind that film and "Deliverance" AND "Excalibur" is astounding.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 6:02 p.m. CST


    by CharyouTree

    did he post the footage on youtube or anywhere yet? cant wait to see it

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 6:16 p.m. CST

    The "Eco" message

    by CharyouTree

    I dont really think its global warming as much as its about how other civilizations supplant indigenous cultures, in either active genocidal or passive ways, but this vid I just found on youtube gives me the idea that he might be going full eco, o and he confims Battle Angel Alita, which I think I may actually prefer

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Alien 5 Cameron + Scott

    by welsh_bullfrog_goon

    Cameron once you have finished this movie, do the alien franchise some justice it well deserves, collaberate with Ridley Scott and give us a final close to the alien franchise we really deserve with Sigourney and just blow us all away, plenty of questions need answering, what was the space jockey? is there a king alien drone? , can we have a deeper look within weyland Yutani, hell alien 3 was a gd film, but can we have an alternate sequel to aliens where hicks and newt survive? bring back Micheal Beihn and Carrie Henn. If not that, just do a sequel but steer as far away as possible from the last half of alien resurrection, hell bring back Ron Pearlman as Jonah , he was great!!!!

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 6:26 p.m. CST

    Environmentalism is a fad

    by bottombrick

    Its great if actual scientists can get funding to create better systems and solutions, but both politically and as a cause for cause fiends environmentalism is a crock of shit. JackRabbitSlim probably put it to words better than I can, but just let me say this: I know a person who supports global warming who admitted that even if it wasn't true it wouldn't really matter to her because she still believes in whats behind it (environmentalism). So if any factoid aligns itself with environmentalism politically, the faithful will support it, which is the antithesis of reason, science, and honesty. Which is why I find it more despicable than fundamentalism, it throws around the word science and calls all who disagree ignorant hicks, but could care less what the truth of any contention might be.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 6:27 p.m. CST

    The little respect that Cameron and The Abyss get around here

    by Lovecraftfan

    is amazing. I really had no idea he was this hated. Do you guys really resent Titanic that much. I think Cameron is great.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Dollar Bird Zardoz is memorable at least give it that

    by G100

    I certainly wouldn't claim it for high art and Excaliber is clearly vastly superior.<p> <p>Zardoz has a more cultish appeal certainly but is a product of it's time with the overreaching ambition and in your face symbolism tempered by the sheer exuberance and WTFery at times.<p> <p>It's silly yes but it still has enough in there to be well worth a watch in my book.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 6:41 p.m. CST

    "It is flawless...the visual effects..."

    by moonlightdrive

    I like the third arm in the 'copter ;)

  • It really does draw a line under alot of the hyperbole we are all too familiar with here concerning Movie Reviews and takes things back to a more primal yet undeniably honest and simple approach.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Well said.

    by CharyouTree

    ..and man, I would have given my left nut to have been there.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 7:42 p.m. CST

    G100 + Zardoz

    by Dollar Bird

    I agree, "Zardoz" definitely is memorable and totally a product of its time. From the ridiculous costume on Connery, to the floating head (and not just the stone one, but Niall Buggy's head at the very beginning floating around in the black screen, talking about gods and creation), and the crazy Eternals massacre at the end, it has been sunk into my mind since I watched it with some buddies on a whim in college. For weeks we recited favorite lines of dialogue. Charlotte Rampling was pretty cute, too. (And I like the term "WTFery", so I will try to add that to my daily lexicon.)

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 7:49 p.m. CST

    I don't hate Cameron

    by veebeeyes

    In fact, some his movies rank among my favourite movies ever. And even the ones that I loathe are actually sort of enjoyable as long as I try not to think about them. It's just that Cameron can get WAY too heavy-handed with his messages and moralizing. And when he does that, his movies suffer as a result. The Terminator didn't have too much of that going on, so it was awesome. Aliens didn't have much of that going on, so Aliens was awesome. Meanwhile, The Abyss and Terminator 2 COULD have been awesome, but Cameron got way too concerned with trying to make a statement, and everything just came off cheesy as hell. Meanwhile, I thought that True Lies was a pretty stupid and forgettable movie. But that's really all it was shooting for, just being a fun over-the-top action flick, and it succeeded on those merits. So at least True Lies didn't piss me off, even though I didn't think there was anything particularly special about it. But Cameron is fine. I like Cameron a lot, and actually want to see more from him. I just think that he's not very subtle, and whenever he tries to make any kind of actual statement he often has a bad tendency to make it come off as ridiculous, overblown, and sappy.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 7:57 p.m. CST

    I don't blame Cameron for not doing Alien 5

    by veebeeyes

    I remember before Alien vs Predator came out, Cameron was saying that he'd never do another Alien movie if Fox went ahead with AVP, because that'd reduce Alien series to being like "Frankenstein vs Wolfman". I did think that was sort of a stupid and elitist attitude to have, but now I sort of see his point. I would've wanted to see anoither true great Alien movie. And if one actually gets made, I'll watch it. But right now, I honestly couldn't give a shit about any more Alien movies. I've finally come to realize that the series is dead as shit, I've accepted it, and I've moved on. For all I care, Fox can keep on doing shitty Alien vs Predator movies until 2050. I probably won't watch them, just like how I didn't watch Hellraiser 8.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Cameron is the man.

    by mr.brownstone

    And Eyes Wide Shut is amazing. That's all.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 8:37 p.m. CST

    veebeeyes i agree

    by welsh_bullfrog_goon

    Yes mate i agree with you completely, but when we have remakes being made left right and centre which are completely unecessary i don't think it would hurt to make another alien movie. Ridley Scott actually had a story for alien 5 but fox offered him A V P and he quickly declined, then it was handed to that muppet Paul W S Anderson who destroyed the franchise quickly in his tracks, the final chop was thanks to the brothers Strause who destroyed everything. Maybe WBros can buy the rights like they did terminator where there will be no suits sticking their noses in. If Wb can reboot a batman franchise after 4 films i believe the same can be done with the alien franchise, i would just love to see cameron and scott helm it or just one of them. Most sci fi horrors pumped out nowadays are complete dross.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Re: Abyss DC and "Nuke the Mid-

    by Fawst

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 9:49 p.m. CST

    Re: Abyss DC and "Nuke the Mid-East"

    by Fawst

    That's a load of bullshit. In the Abyss, the HUMANS were about to NUKE EACH OTHER. The Cold War was about to get VERY hot. The "aliens" (weren't they dubbed E.V.E.'s or something like that?) were protecting themselves. The point was that humanity was fucking around not only with themselves, but with things they had no idea about. "It's not all about you" is pretty much what their message was. They could have wiped out all humanity and stopped nuclear holocaust, but instead a cooler head prevailed. To try and equate them to humans is fucking stupid. Now that you've been schooled, go watch the movie again and try to get it right next time.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 9:55 p.m. CST

    Revisionist bullshit, The Abyss was BORING

    by quantize

    Yeh the guy has made some great films, but the love shown for this snoozefest is the kind of revisionist drivel typical of people who are so blindly fanatical about sci-fi and fantasy films they have no sense of proportion of their effectiveness as actual movies, much less entertainment. The Abyss is no more highly regarded outside of micro penis fanboydom now than it was when it was released. Stop inventing shit you morons.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 10 p.m. CST

    ..a message for climate change deniers..

    by quantize

    And congratulations you self aggrandizing WHAT if you think the science is dubious..BIG fucking points to you..Now open those eyes wedged firmly in your sphincter and have the fucking guts to admit the environment is STILL FUCKED and all the cheap point scoring you can come up is just feeble denial that we STILL have to go down the same path to renewable energies whether you like it or. Fuck there are some numbnut pissant jerkoffs out there.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 10:01 p.m. CST

    by veebeeyes

    Bud ASKED why the "aliens" were doing what they were doing, and they answered with images of human suffering. THAT was the answer to Bud's question of why. If they were trying to protect their own asses, they wouldn't have stopped just because one dude happens to love his sort of bitchy wife. And never mind that the "aliens" lived on the bottom of the fucking ocean. The only time Cold War got anywhere NEAR them was that one incident involving the submarine. And the whole incident was CAUSED by the "aliens" in the first place, and the nuke was disabled BEFORE the "aliens" decided to launch their massive attack. It's still a load of horseshit any way you want to look at it.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 10:04 p.m. CST

    So the Abyss was was T2...

    by Rupee88

    they are both great movies and incredible entertaining. I will nitpick about other films but the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. For instance the flaws in TDK are too much for me and I think it's far from a great film but most of you disagree.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 10:08 p.m. CST


    by Rupee88

    "The Abyss is no more highly regarded outside of micro penis fanboydom now than it was when it was released." The same could be said about The Day the Earth Stood Still or Forbidden Planet...they are genre sci-fil films and who gives a shit if the larger public "gets it" or not?...they are still masterpieces.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 10:24 p.m. CST

    bottombrick....your little rant is one of the saddest...

    by FlickaPoo

    ...yet strangely touching things I have read in a while. What exactly do you mean my this "Environmentalism" that you think is a "crock of shit". By "Environmentalism" do you mean the environment that we happen to live in? You don't believe that planet earth exists? You don't believe that a planet is a delicate and infinitely intricate system of balances and interdependencies (an environment) that make life possible and probably shouldn't be fucked around with too much? Or maybe you don't believe that interesting creatures have, and are currently becoming extinct. Forever. It might be interesting to have a look at these creatures...maybe study them before they disappear forever don't you think? Or maybe you don't believe in the rain forest...and that green plants produce oxygen by a process called photosynthesis, thereby allowing humans and other animals to breathe and survive on this planet. So what exactly is this "Environmentalism" that you claim not to "believe" in? I'm not sure I've ever read a little rant that included so many big words and yet was so completely incoherent and incomprehensible. Words have precise meanings my little should find out what those meanings are lest you shame yourself in public.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Oh, and THE ABYSS was great, so was T2, but....

    by FlickaPoo

    ...T1 was better. T3 sucked. And "The Environment" is a perfectly appropriate topic for science of the original topics in fact. If your technology is to advanced that you can fuck around with entire planets, then the intricacies of a planet's "environment" (biology, atmosphere, geology etc...) are going to be one of your main concerns.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 10:35 p.m. CST

    and Sigourney Weaver rocks.

    by FlickaPoo

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 10:37 p.m. CST

    Sigourney screwed up the USA version of Planet Earth

    by veebeeyes

    So fuck her too.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 11:18 p.m. CST

    The hard evidence

    by irritable

    for anthropogenic Global Warming is overwhelming.<p> The academies of science in 30 countries have accepted and endorsed the 2007 IPCC report. The US Climatic Data Centre report of 2006 underpins the IPCC report.<p> The US is one of the few countries in the world where Climate Skeptics have gained any traction. Why? Because the Republican Party has received at least $156M in donations from the Oil and Gas Industry and, supported by its toadies in the Right Wing press, particularly the Fox Network, has parroted the arguments of lobbyists for Big Oil.<p> All the data is available on the Web. Ignore spin doctors, public relations experts and talk-back lunatics and read the actual data if you want to gain an informed opinion.<p> As for the puerile argument that tens of thousands of scientists all over the world are telling lies to gain funding - another contribution from right wing spin doctors - try to find one shred of evidence that this is true.<p> Look at the coldest-blooded, hardest-nosed, most conservative capitalists of them all - International Insurance Underwwriters - the people who pay out insurance claims for increased storms and hurricanes. You won't find to many climate skeptics in that crowd.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 11:40 p.m. CST

    James Cameron is finally coming back!!!

    by TheWaqman

    Oh thank you. I can't wait for Avatar. Its one of my most hyped movies coming in the near future (second to Hobbit). To be honest none of his movies have been stinkers. Even the highly loathed Titanic was a pretty good movie (and a monster hit to boot). Hopefully he shows dumb fuckheads like new-Lucas (well, Old Lucas sucked too) how sci-fi should be done.

  • Aug. 31, 2008, 11:58 p.m. CST

    Flickapoo, thanks for asking

    by bottombrick

    You seem to be slightly confused as well as to the definition of environmentalism. It is a politcal and social idealogy that pupports to prevent degradation by human activity. It is that specific social movement as carried out by people at the present time whether or not it is being successful. It is not "believing planet earth exists" or "not hating the ecosystem". It is precisely your misconception which fucks everything up because questioning any particular tenet that has been absorbed into the trend is taken as equivalent to failing to have any concern whatsoever for the environment. But since the doomsday fear is pretty far ingrained into you, compare it to other political movements just as divisive. The true reason for powerful Republican leaders to oppose legal abortion is because its abolition would keep the pregnant teen to young mom conversion rate high, which helps maintain an economic situation based on constant growth (new consumers) and the strong family units conservative values thrive in. Wait, now I'm talking about abortion and environmentalism, this sucks. Let me just say politics is disease ridden and contagious and enviromentalism is politics, not any particular issue it has absorbed. Watching movies and absorbing things of aesthetic value is far superior to squabbling over politics. My original post was just assuring the environmentalist wary that James Cameron is a good storyteller, and a good storyteller can weave these memes into a complete story that transcends a barking mob's fallacies.

  • Sept. 1, 2008, midnight CST

    man I would love to read James Cameron script of spiderman...

    by virtual_ninja

    Apparently it was too violent so the studios turned it down. Damn! a Cameron spidey would have been amazing.

  • Sept. 1, 2008, 12:06 a.m. CST

    Were all going to die in 2012 anyway

    by CharyouTree

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    by CharyouTree

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    by CharyouTree

  • Sept. 1, 2008, 12:14 a.m. CST


    by PirateEmery

    Just search for it... it's not hard to find.

  • Sept. 1, 2008, 2:46 a.m. CST

    ABYSS is great and AVATAR is not a political movie.

    by Sackratte

    The global warming stuff in AVATAR is minimal because humanity has already fucked up earth and is doing the same to another 'perfect' world. So this is not a political movie but more like a good western. ABYSS in cinema was the best experience ever!!! I still love the characters. I haven't seen characters like this (you really can care about them) in a mainstream movie ever since. Regarding AVATAR: The truth is humanity is fucking up everything... so this movie is showing normal human behavior.

  • Sept. 1, 2008, 3:11 a.m. CST

    Hopefully Fox starts the marketing campaign this December

    by Rindain

    The Dark Knight had it's initial teaser and viral stuff a year in advance, and the Simpsons Movie and Ice Age 3 (both FOX movies) started their hype about 18 months before release. Also Spider-Man 3, Transformers, etc. started building buzz real early and had tremendous box office success. Come on Fox! Show us something soon!

  • Sept. 1, 2008, 3:31 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    "The Abyss is boring" - Only if it's some kind of new definition of boring where you're sitting on the edge of your seat with your eyes popping out of your skull.

  • Sept. 1, 2008, 3:33 a.m. CST

    Let's pray that Camerone has matured as a filmmaker.

    by Evangelion217

    Because "Terminator 2", and "Titanic" were the biggest signs that Camerone was finally growing up as a filmmaker, and started to become a superb storyteller. Let's hope that the Camerone who did "Terminator 2", and "Titanic" will make a ground-breaking comback with "Avatar." :)

  • Sept. 1, 2008, 3:37 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    I disagree, a year is way too far in advance to start promoting a movie. 6 months or so is fine. But when you're promoting a movie a year in advance by the time the actual thing swings round i'm usually sick of the thing. I know the movie studios aren't going to listen to me and change the way they do things but one of the things that is damaging movies today is too much information getting out and spoiling the actual experience of sitting through the damn thing.

  • Sept. 1, 2008, 3:46 a.m. CST

    "The Abyss" is an okay flick.

    by Evangelion217

    But it's not a good film. The characters are one-dimensional, and some scenes felt very unrealistic. While the ending was basically made for idiots, who love tacked on endings, with a neat little ending to put a smile on our faces. It's manipulative, and unrealistic. But the film still turned out to be entertaining, even though IT WAS WAY TOO LONG!

  • Sept. 1, 2008, 4:04 a.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    An interesting interpretation, to be sure, but one I feel is incorrect. <p> The way I see it, the threat to wipe mankind out was less a threat and more of a simple power demonstration to show: <p> 1) how puny humans are, despite their vast arsenals of WMDs. <p> 2) look how far we aliens got because we DIDN'T wipe ourselves out. <p> Furthermore, I'd say the threat was of the "The Rock" variety, i. e. a threat never meant to be followed through. <p> However, if it HAD been followed through, the threat would have been gauged to destroy human civilization while retaining the eco system of Earth intact, thus enabling a second chance for Earth.

  • Sept. 1, 2008, 4:07 a.m. CST


    by Sackratte

    All the technology (beside the Alien one of course) in Abyss is real. The suit with the liquid oxygen is real! The rat really breathed the liquid in this scene. I haven't seen something like this in any movie before! It was amazing. The ending of Abyss is FANTASTIC and it also has a huge message to humanity. I hope AVATAR will be like the ABYSS!

  • Sept. 1, 2008, 4:10 a.m. CST

    On a related note...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...what's with the Abyss hate? Sure, it's got its hokey moments, but damn, how often in the last 20 years have you had an as mind-blowing and immersive cinematic experience as when you saw The Abyss for the first time in the theater?

  • Sept. 1, 2008, 4:33 a.m. CST

    I am Developing sh*t Too!!!

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    If by developing stuff you mean merely making a list of your requirements and then handing it over to people that need to hit those marks then yes, I am developing stuff. I recently forwarded my requests for a new gaming console that renders PIXAR quality graphics in real time. When Sony or MS build it please be sure to credit me with the development of it...

  • Sept. 1, 2008, 4:39 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    You're right on the money. The Abyss was an amazing cinema experience. I saw it three times and would have gone back again if it hadn't been replaced by Shirley Valentine (which tells you something about the mentality of your average UK cinemagoer).

  • Sept. 1, 2008, 5:03 a.m. CST

    Rupee88, ridiculous 'logic'...

    by quantize

    Those films were very well received AT the time, moreover have stood the test of time...even the hokiness of Forbidden Planet is completely forgivable given the design, effects and music innovations...The Abyss might have contained a couple of innovative effects, but clothed in a tedious and dreary narrative..and that the best you can say for it

  • Sept. 1, 2008, 5:04 a.m. CST


    by quantize

    no mines the usual definition, ya just got no taste..

  • Sept. 1, 2008, 5:11 a.m. CST

    Waiting for the Cameron apologists to start creaming for True Li

    by JackRabbitSlim

    That movie was shit on a stick. Fucking rancid. Gun falling down stairs and killing people is not fresh, is not witty - its mind-deadeningly stupid. Action parodies have been done with a hell of a lot more intelligent insight and acerbic wit than that bloated abortion.

  • Sept. 1, 2008, 6:26 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Thanks for pointing that out to me

  • Sept. 1, 2008, 6:28 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Cameron apologists? That's a new one.

  • Sept. 1, 2008, 6:38 a.m. CST

    Why the fuck isn't the Script Girl Talkback working?

    by NeilF

    Obviously her inane boob flashing antics are sooo popular no one is allowed to post on her topics now... <BR> <BR> FOR THE LOVE OF GOD! RETURN SOME CREDIBILITY TO AICN AND DUMP HER!

  • Sept. 1, 2008, 6:50 a.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    ...AICN has been depressing lately. First the Aliens bashing last week and now Abyss hate...

  • Sept. 1, 2008, 7:27 a.m. CST

    An earler review of the Avatar script says..

    by CharyouTree

    .."It’s preachy, it’s repetitive, it’s derivative, and in spite of that when you see it up on a movie screen there’s a pretty good chance it’ll be the coolest thing you’ve ever seen."

  • Sept. 1, 2008, 7:48 a.m. CST


    by quantize

    np, ya needed to be set straight.. im nice like that.

  • Sept. 1, 2008, 7:51 a.m. CST

    ps, T2 and Aliens were great...

    by quantize

    in wont find me bashing genuinely entertaining and well executed movies. The Abyss is simply not one of those, its stunning anyone cannot see that's how the dust settled generally and could be surprised by the criticism...that's right even 'the king of the world' makes shit films sometimes.

  • Sept. 1, 2008, 8:04 a.m. CST

    I fail to see how anyone

    by kwisatzhaderach

    could think The Abyss was not a genuinely entertaining and well executed movie. But that's just me. I hated the Pirates of the Caribbean movies.

  • Sept. 1, 2008, 8:09 a.m. CST

    The Abyss

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Peter Travers 1989 review of The Abyss in case anyone hasn't read it, pretty much sums up my feelings about the film: 'Anyone looking for a discouraging word about this stupendously exciting and emotionally engulfing film should read no further. The Abyss confirms James Cameron as a world-class filmmaker. Granted, he started out in 1981 by directing Piranha II: The Spawning; four years later, he even helped perpetrate the screenplay of Rambo: First Blood Part II. Granted, these are capital offenses. But hold your ire. Consider The Terminator (1984), the violent masterpiece Cameron directed from a screenplay he wrote with producer Gale Anne Hurd about a killer cyborg (Arnold Schwarzenegger) from the twenty-first century. The Cameron-Hurd duo, by then husband and wife, next teamed on Aliens (1986), the sequel that received seven Oscar nominations and outgrossed its predecessor. Cameron and Hurd, no longer wed but still working together, now have devised their most ambitious project. The Abyss, with a budget topping $40 million, is many terrific things: the greatest underwater adventure ever filmed, the most consistently enthralling of the summer blockbusters, one of the best pictures of the year. It's also something even more unexpected: a love story of shattering impact. Those who have written off Cameron as a whiz at hard action, hardware and little else should whet their palate for a feast of crow. Some may insist on reading The Abyss as veiled autobiography. Like Cameron and Hurd, the film's two major characters met on the job, married and then split due to the stress of combining work and wedlock. Ed Harris is Bud Brigman, the rig foreman on a civilian underwater oil-drilling facility called Deepcore. Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio is Lindsey, Deepcore's project engineer, boss lady and soon-to-be-former Mrs. Brigman. Cameron clearly knows from experience how shared labor can heat or chill a relationship. But The Abyss extends far beyond the parameters of his personal life. Cameron wrote a short story called "The Abyss" when he was seventeen, and the finished film retains traces of youthful innocence in its straight-on treatment of such verities as love, honor, duty, faith in a superior force and hope for a better day. Admirers of the dark and sinister Aliens and The Terminator may worry that gonzo Cameron has wimped out. Hardly. Though The Abyss is his most positive film, he hasn't turned Pollyanna. In this pressure cooker beneath the sea, he has created a microcosm in which each character's capacity for good and evil is tested. The effect is relentlessly unnerving. The film begins when a mysterious force sends a nuclear submarine to a watery grave in the Caribbean at the edge of a trench leading down into four miles of cold, inky creepiness. The navy, knowing the missiles on board the sub possess five times the power of the bomb that decimated Hiroshima, sends a four-man SEAL (Sea, Air and Land) team -- headed by Lieutenant Coffey (Michael Biehn) -- to clean up the mess. That's when Deepcore's corporate owners volunteer the rig and its nine-person crew to aid the naval rescue operation. Above water, there's a hurricane brewing. Below, the clash of egos proves even more threatening. Lindsey, living up to her rep as hell on wheels, is determined not to let Bud run her operation into ruin on a government goose chase. Coffey, showing signs of a nervous disorder due to decompression, resents Lindsey's interference in top-secret affairs. Cameron is uncannily successful at creating a mounting feeling of claustrophobia. Some scenes, like the one in which the divers move through the stricken sub as drowned bodies float by in an eerie mockery of death, have a tragic beauty. Others, such as Bud's towing an unconscious Lindsey in a lung-bursting swim to safety, could reduce an audience to raw panic. Even the first sighting of an NTI (Nonterrestrial Intelligence) skirts Spielbergian sentimentality to achieve a quiet sense of wonder. Cameron and a superb technical staff excel at making the fantastical look real. To turn The Abyss into an experience like no other, Cameron took an abandoned nuclear-reactor containment building in South Carolina, filled it with 7.5 million gallons of water and had his cast and some of the crew trained to dive. Then he tossed the lot of them into the drink at depths of up to fifty-five feet. Underwater films are often shot on a sound stage, with smoke and light giving the effect of submersion while actors muck about in fake slow motion. Not this time. What you see and hear in The Abyss has a you-are-there immediacy that makes other undersea films look hopelessly hokey. This is monumental, mold-breaking entertainment. Despite Cameron's elaborate technical setup, it's the human drama of The Abyss that carries the show. Even the smallest performances are idiosyncratic and memorable. Todd Graff's Hippy, Leo Burmester's Catfish and Kimberly Scott's One Night deserve special praise, as does a white rat named Beany who performs beyond the call of duty in a liquid-oxygen breathing sequence that is one of the film's scariest moments. The three leads are outstanding. Biehn makes us feel compassion for the lethal Coffey, led astray by his twisted sense of duty. Harris has never been better or more appealing, bringing nuance, humor and gravity to the role of the blue-collar hero who'd risk his life faster than risk exposing his feelings. Still, the movie belongs to Mastrantonio. In a summer dominated by male action heroes, she has the strongest woman's role and instills it with beauty, brains and a spiky wit that rank her with the top actresses of her generation; she is mesmerizing and indelibly moving. Cameron may have fashioned his film out of familiar parts, but he's put them together in a way that demands fresh attention and respect. There's poetry in the images; The Abyss is pulp transcended. With probing intelligence and passionate feeling, Cameron has raised the adventure film very close to the level of art.'

  • Sept. 1, 2008, 8:35 a.m. CST

    I prefer T1 to T2...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...but to claim that T2 is crap is mind-boggling.

  • Sept. 1, 2008, 8:42 a.m. CST

    The Abyss, for all its faults is fabulous...

    by NeilF


  • Sept. 1, 2008, 8:55 a.m. CST

    Cameron and Ridley on AvP

    by CharyouTree

  • Sept. 1, 2008, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Why I am now open to giving...

    by Ghostball

    Michelle Rodriguez another shot at the title of modern day female hollywood badass, despite her perfomances to to date. In fact, I'd give her shot at anything she wanted: <p>'"When asked by Latina Magazine in April 2008 about the constant questions and speculation surrounding her sexuality, Rodriguez responded, "I don't answer those questions. I just keep it to myself and it's nobody's business. If I wanna fuck a girl, a boy, a dog—that's my business."' <p>All of a sudden I'm more slightly more interested in seeing more of her, whereas before, I wasn't... at all

  • Sept. 1, 2008, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Cameron on his worst day

    by irritable

    is still so imaginative and so determined to drive the cutting edge of movie technology than the shortcomings of his actors and the melodramatic scripts don't really matter.

  • Sept. 1, 2008, 2:59 p.m. CST

    rbatty024 et al - re: Abyss Director's Cut v. Theatrical Cut

    by SadCadillac

    The worst blunder of Abyss’ director’s cut was insulting the viewer’s intelligence, spoon-feeding us its’ core message, if you will. From the far superior theatrical cut, we already knew the hydro-aliens were dismayed by the violent tendencies of men. It was hinted at in the subtlest, creative of ways in the script’s subtext. By showing those real depictions of war and destruction in the film’s third act – I think they even cut away to a P.O.V. shot of Little Geek’s feed during his reconnaissance mission to unearth The Bomb – it’s almost as if they’re trying to say: “Still don’t get it? What about now? Now?” Yet another example of my firm belief that 99.9% of the time, a film’s theatrical cut is far superior to a film’s director’s cut. Ironically, the only exception I can think of is the director’s cut of Cameron’s Aliens. The back-story on Ripley’s daughter… The extended boardroom interrogation… The Sulaco hibernation - like the Nostromo in Alien before it, one of visual conventions of the franchise… The sentry guns sequences… Love all of it and would’ve even welcomed it in the theatrical cut. Other good director's cuts: The Chronicles of Riddick and Troy.

  • Sept. 1, 2008, 3:48 p.m. CST

    There are obviously people here who...

    by Knuckleface

    ...don't appreciate human drama such as the wonderful scene in The Abyss where Ed and Mary are trapped in compartment where air and pressure are slowly depleting and the water is rapidly rising. I know, it's hard to watch movies where people -relate- to each other rather than kill each other. I know. It's rough.

  • Sept. 1, 2008, 4:06 p.m. CST

    I seem to remember the DC Cut of Abyss has a lot more human dram

    by Lovecraftfan

    The core of the film is the relationship between harris and the female lead. Why would anyone promote the theatrical cut when theres less of that.

  • Sept. 1, 2008, 4:10 p.m. CST


    by TVguy4566

    Sorry, I can think of plenty Director's cuts that are better than the original: Almost Famous, Blade Runner, Superman II, and Once Upon a Time in America immediately come to mind. Director Cuts are quickly becoming just cheap marketing ploys to repackage DVDs for resale again. Many of these Director's cut add filler and sometimes gore or nudity just to go after the teen market. <br><br> Personally, I haven't watched the Abyss in original or director's cut format in a long time. So I really don't know if I can speak to that. I do like other Cameron Director's cuts though (as you said Aliens and I did like T2's director's cut too).

  • Sept. 1, 2008, 7:03 p.m. CST

    Abyss is total Cameron

    by NoHubris

    Aliens is the best Cameron film IMHO, but he did not create the franchise. Moreover, key Terminator story elements are credited to Harlin Ellison via the Outer Limits episodes he penned (e.g. "Soldier" and "Demon with a Glass Hand").<p>Abyss is Cameron's masterpiece IMHO due to it being well crafted, but also because the whole thing is his very own creation and originates with his own power of imagination.

  • Sept. 1, 2008, 11:23 p.m. CST

    On the point of saber rattling...

    by veebeeyes

    Some people have claimed that the "aliens" in The Abyss are merely saber rattling. That they never REALLY intended to destroy humanity with their WMD (water of mass destruction), but that they only intended to give a message that they can destroy us. So we'd better knock our bullshit. I find that possibility ironically interesting. Because it's like, if they're so concerned about manmade nukes being delivered to their front door that they feel the need to make themselves known to us in a display of total fucking power, that tells us two things. That they are powerful enough to destroy us, and that we CAN get nukes to their front fucking door. Yeah, we did it. They didn't stop us, we stopped OURSELVES before we inadvertently fucked them up. But if we had to get the nukes down there again, what better reason than to point them square in the face of a race that can annihilate our entire fucking species on our whim. Here's my idea, which could have been properly been explored in an Abyss sequel. Most movies don't need sequels at all. But if that's true, that the aliens were merely trying to scare us into ceasing our hostilities so that we wouldn't accidentally get them caught up in it, that's the sort of idea that actually warrants further exploration. When the USA and the Soviet Union are engaged in policies of mutually ensured destruction, with the only thing preventing anyone launching the first strike being the assurance that the aggressor gets annihilated, how would they react to the threat of an alien race that poses a threat to all of humanity? Would we give up arms and go love everybody? Would the Cold War come to an immediate end? What would happen to all the world's nukes? Would they get dismantled, or would they all simultaneously get aimed at the bottom of the ocean, with the understanding that if the aliens ever decided to launch an attack on humanity, that they'd be thoroughly fucked? Did the Aliens STOP the Cold War? Or did they just cause the aggressors to unite against a more immediate threat? Would we now have a Cold War against the aliens? Or would the entire human population be fine with letting such a powerful race bitch-slap humanity in the face? Anyway, some dumb fuck in this talkback previously tried to say that the aliens were merely trying to fix things by displaying a show of force, and then went on to say that there's no way to equate that to humanity. And like, uh...wasn't that a large part of why the Cold War was cold? To bring up an example, one time I saw two dumbass dudes fighting each other. A third dude, bigger than either of the two dudes, tried to break up the fight by kicking both their asses. In response, the two fighting dudes then stopped fighting with each other, and immediately started simulataneously beating the bloody fuck out of the guy who got a fat head because he was big. Keep in mind that the ALIENS didn't disable the nuke that was sitting on their front fucking porch. HUMANS disabled the bomb. Humans got the bomb to their front fucking porch, and now the aliens want to start a bunch of shit by slapping a world in the grip of mutually assured destruction and saying "hey, look at me! I can destroy you! Don't aim your missiles at each other! You need to learn how to get along, and collectively aim you missiles DOWN HERE!" Anyway, yeah I'd really like to see a sequel to the Abyss, because I'd REALLY like to see how that shit would actually play out. Was THAT the aliens' plan? To get humanity to resolve our differences by getting the entire planet to unite against the common alien enemy? Or do the aliens just like being total assholes? Or maybe they're really not such jerks, but they're just sort of idiots and didn't bother to think things through.

  • Sept. 1, 2008, 11:27 p.m. CST

    Alien and Alien 3 > Aliens

    by superunknown85

    Better characters, better atmosphere, better subtext. I like Cameron's movies aside from True Lies and Piranha 2, and I think the Abyss is his best. Not sure about Avatar, I don't like 3D moviemaking. I hope they make an Alien 5 with a new director though.

  • Sept. 1, 2008, 11:37 p.m. CST

    Alien is arguably better than Aliens.

    by veebeeyes

    They're both classic masterfully made movies in two separate genres. Some say Alien is better. Some say Aliens is better. I really don't care. They're both great. But don't talk to me about characterization in Alien 3. I liked Alien 3, but about 2 thirds of those people died before you ever even learned their names. And the most interesting character got eaten about 20 minutes into the movie, leaving Charles Dutton the only remotely interesting supporting character in the entire fucking movie. When I watched Alien and Aliens, at least I knew who got eaten. When I watched Alien 3 and people were dying, I was constantly like, "wait a minute...who the fuck was that guy?"

  • Sept. 2, 2008, 6:08 a.m. CST

    Alien vs Aliens

    by kwisatzhaderach

    When Aliens was released it was the greatest film i'd ever seen in my life. I think it's safe to say if you were a teenager when you first saw Aliens it was like a thermonuclear device going off in your head. But as the years go by I find that Alien is by far the better picture, probably because I appreciate the artistry that Ridley brought to it. Aliens is more about craft than art IMO. I'm not knocking Aliens for it, it's still one of the four best sequels ever made, along with The Godfather Part II, The Empire Strikes Back and Terminator 2.

  • Sept. 2, 2008, 6:11 a.m. CST

    The title sequence of Alien 3

    by kwisatzhaderach

    is better than most movies. It's a crying shame the film was cut off at the balls by Fox but even in it's compromised state it's still an impressive piece of filmmaking. And Elliot Goldenthal's score is just sublime.

  • Sept. 2, 2008, 10:32 a.m. CST

    UK AVATAR Teaser website?

    by SenatorNado

  • Sept. 2, 2008, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Anyone want the scriptment let me know!

    by CharyouTree

  • Sept. 2, 2008, 11:19 a.m. CST


    by CharyouTree

    I dunno I get an instant Heros vibe off that site

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    by CharyouTree


  • Sept. 2, 2008, 11:29 p.m. CST

    I didn't care about most of Aliens' characters either

    by superunknown85

    75% of the colonial marine characters were cannon fodder that die in the first battle, so both Aliens and Alien 3 are guilty of having characters we never get to know. In the end though I think Alien, Aliens, and Alien 3 are great, and Resurrection is merely good. The AvPs are crap, especially Requiem.