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Bad Reviews!! Pissed Off Director!! (The Usual) Hating On Fox!! It's Time For BABYLON A.D.!!

Published at: Aug. 26, 2008, 4:24 p.m. CST

Merrick here...
There's some indication that Fox will be doing whatever it can to keep a majority of press from seeing Vin Diesel's BABYLON A.D. before it opens Friday. And, to a large extent, this has worked. Feedback about the film has been conspicuously sparse in our inbox, and word of mouth is but a smattering. None the less, a few outlets have managed to post reviews of (more like warnings about) the film. Variety offered this assessment...
Looking less like he's trying to save the planet than like he's fighting off a really bad hangover, Vin Diesel punches, shoots but ultimately dozes his way through the sloppy sci-fi actioner "Babylon A.D." A noisier, costlier version of "Children of Men," yet lacking that film's social-political significance and jaw-dropping direction...
...in their review, which you can find HERE. Sci-Fi Movie Page offers its own dismemberment:
Babylon A.D. is an underwritten mess that never explains the future world it is set in, or any of the issues at stake. The screenplay is in fact so underwritten that it never even bothers with dispatching the main villain (Rampling) and has an underwhelming car chase as the film’s climax while the film’s best action sequence is stuck somewhere in the middle of the movie. The film’s events have no gravitas because the audience simply don’t know exactly why they should care about what is going on.
...says THIS WRITE-UP on their site.
Meanwhile, BABYLON A.D. director Mathieu Kassovitz is busy lobbing nukes...at his own movie!
"I'm very unhappy with the film," he says. "I never had a chance to do one scene the way it was written or the way I wanted it to be. The script wasn't respected. Bad producers, bad partners, it was a terrible experience."
...says THIS ARTICLE at AMC's website, which goes on to call out the studio.
"Fox was sending lawyers who were only looking at all the commas and the dots," he says. "They made everything difficult from A to Z." The last stroke, Kassovitz says, was when Fox interfered with the editing of the film, paring it down to a confusing 93 minutes (original reports were that 70 minutes were cut from the film; Kassovitz says the number is closer to 15).

I didn't think this film looked too rotten when I saw its first trailer (HERE), but now it's hard not to second guess that hope...which was admittedly fleeting to begin with. All of this sounds pretty FUBAR if you ask me.


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  • Aug. 26, 2008, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Figures.

    by Irina Spanko

    It looks like a remake of Van Damme's Cyborg anyway.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 11:45 a.m. CST

    what's with the animated sex and the city?

    by greyspecter

    weird

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 11:48 a.m. CST

    A bad Vin Diesel movie?

    by grendelson138

    I can't believe it. I'll bet this is the first film to star this guy that doesn't get two thumbs up. I still can't believe he didn't get an oscar for the first Fast and the Furious.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 11:48 a.m. CST

    FOX IS A DISEASE

    by BringingSexyBack

    Education is the cure!!!!

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Just saw this...

    by Mister McClane

    Last line is 'Hey Kids. There's a storm coming'. Spoken by Vin Diesel. Got the biggest laugh (for all the wrong reasons) of the film. Believe the reviews, this film is the worst sci-fi action movie I have EVER seen. Amateur in every respect. Do not even bother watching it on DVD or on TV. Ever!

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Not surprised

    by Heckles

    Looked like shit in the first place. Not to mention it has Vin Diesel.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 11:50 a.m. CST

    van damme's cyborg?

    by Bouncy X

    dont ever compare anything to that, that was such a terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible movie. its so bad the sequel had practically no connection to it, but seeing a 17yr old angelina jolie was stroke worthy so whew.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Bouncy X

    by Irina Spanko

    The story, based on what I know, seems similar to Cyborg. And I agree it was bad, even though I am a Van Damme fan. The sequel was worse, however.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 11:54 a.m. CST

    VIN HAS SAME PROBLEM AS THE ROCK

    by BringingSexyBack

    Both have so much potential to be major league badasses but are hamstrung by terrible movies. I've thought long and hard about this, and it pains me.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 11:58 a.m. CST

    French version

    by chuffsterUK

    I believe was released last week in a fully uncut 90+min version.Sounds like the US get the cut down version!

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 11:59 a.m. CST

    I said this in the Riddick TB...

    by mefrog

    ...but I wanna see if anyone agrees, so I'll say it again. Does anyone else think Vin Diesel actually has a bit of talent in him? If he stopped doing crap like 4Fast4Furious and fucking Pacifier, he could shine. Not like some other great actors, but every so often I see a bit of potential light up. As for this... well, what do you expect? Fox is in a load of shit this year, their one heavyweight - X-Files - was a catastrophe I don't think anyone really saw coming (I expected it to fail, but not by THAT mucH), they're taking shit over Watchmen, fucking up with the Wolverine sets, and basically being utter toolsheds.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Ah, the evil, soulless studio, interfering with "l'artiste"...

    by Stalin vs Predator

    Clearly, all of Kassovitz's films have been sabotaged by evil studios in the past. Because each of them is a moronic mess. Evil studio, each time. Right, Matty boy? <p> <p> Uwe should try that excuse.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 12:04 p.m. CST

    who cares?

    by broken ear

    Vin Diesel is weak! this look like a bad combo of XXX & Riddick. Same crap.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Vin brought this calamity upon himself...

    by marlow2

    He's been offered everything under the sun. He could've been Conan's son in Milius' KING CONAN but walked away bcs of his sense of importance. He could've had the assassin role in Collateral opposite Jude Law but walked away. He's the worst kind of douche... he overvalues his sense of self. He thinks he's a thespian when he should've and could've been the next big action star. To make things worse, he's a fake modest guy. In interviews he comes off as Mr. Aw-shucks I'm just a D & D nerd but in real life he's a selfish, egotistical turd who turns his back on his friends of 20 years. Every person that ever worked for him has walked away from his One Race shingle, which is run by a skeleton crew: Vin and his sista. You reap what you sow Vin-dog. Van Damme and Seagal are about to have some company on the DTV shelf... Hey Kids, there's a shit storm coming.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 12:10 p.m. CST

    potential to be major league badasses?

    by broken ear

    both of these guys blow. The studios are always trying to find the new action star, throwing shit at the fan hoping one will stick.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Fuck. Kiss a CoR sequel goodbye.

    by HoboCode

    What a clusterfuck.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Vin should go back to moving pianos.

    by Bob Cryptonight

    The boys in the van miss him, I'm sure.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Sad how a very promising director is treated

    by StarWarsRedux

    Kassovitz should get back to his roots and make another movie like "La Haine"-- ie: something set in the REAL WORLD.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Very interesting article about FOX

    by mefrog

    And how they're the most anti-creative corporation in the movie business.<br> <br> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/ the_big_picture/2008/08/ foxs-cruel-summ.html

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Fox RULES

    by Sithdan

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Stalin vs Predator...

    by Grayskull

    Don't be a tard. Kassovitz is hardly the first director who's had a studio interfere with the production. It's been going on since the dawn of the industry, and Fox has a rep for being one of the worst meddlers.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Uh oh, FOX! You'd better get Philbrick on the line!!!

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Start your marketing damage control protocols...NOW!!!

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 12:49 p.m. CST

    La Haine

    by TroutMaskReplicant

    It's a shame Kassovitz's finest hour was years ago. Also, it really does look more and more like Fox is digging it's own genre movie grave.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Disaster Movie...

    by AgentArchangel

    ...will either be trumped by Tropic Thunder, or end up Number 1. Or maybe there will be a last minute resurgence for Dark Knight to kick everyone's asses. Just a little wishful thinking.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 12:51 p.m. CST

    I love when the trailer states,"From acclaimed director.."

    by skimn

    Then the studio fucks with his work. The director bad mouthing the film doesn't automatically make it a disaster, but this doesn't bode well. Mr. Kassovitz meet Mr. Fincher, Mr. Fincher, Mr. Kassovitz.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 12:53 p.m. CST

    similarities to FIFTH ELEMENT

    by filmfanatic1

    guy gets hired to protect girl with superhuman abiilities... sound familiar?

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Yup. Typical.

    by knowthyself

    It's amazing any films turn out good these days. Studios just always think they know better.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Haha even Ratner complained about Rothman

    by TroutMaskReplicant

    According to that LA Times article. Also it's worth reading the comments below it for stunning insights. Pfft.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 12:58 p.m. CST

    If I owned a theatre, for those who paid to see

    by jim

    Disaster Movie, I would start off with the first minute of the film to get the opening credits out of the way, then I would show bits of the film's trailer mixed in with YouTube videos, and then wait to see if anyone notices.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 1 p.m. CST

    I watched the trailer for this a few weeks ago

    by jim

    and thought it contained a huge spoiler. Sure it was a cool-looking shot, but I think they gave quite a bit away.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Vin

    by Monkeypuzzle

    Seen most of his movies only Pitch Black was worth the time taken out of my life. he hasnt made a good movie since

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Another fine production from..

    by Spyhunter

    Alan Smithee? Maybe? Certainly sounds like it should be.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 1:07 p.m. CST

    FIRE THAT ASSHOLE TOM ROTHMAN!!!!

    by IAmJack'sUserID

    If the film community were the Jews, he'd be the HITLER! How many franchises and properties can he run into the ground like a flaming airplane?

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Also...

    by TroutMaskReplicant

    Listen to the Director's commentary on the X-2 dvd. Singer mentions his "attorney" suggested to him that Wolverine ought to get hot and heavy with Storm. Although as it turned out they were able to twist that absurdity into the Wolverine/Mystique tent scene.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Sounds like a shame

    by palimpsest

    Kassovitz can be a good director (hey, I even liked CRIMSON RIVERS), and he's a decent actor too. As for Vin Diesel, the way he's going, don't be surprised if he ends up in THE FAST AND THE FURIOUS: ASSIGNMENT MIAMI BEACH in a couple of years time...

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Well, I hope this bombs big time, because...

    by DerLanghaarige

    ...then we will get rid of Rothman and maybe someone better will take over.<br> Keep in mind that Rothman's forerunner got kicked because of the B.O. fail of Fight Club. So what do you think will happen after a whole fucking summer full of box office bombs?<br> Okay, maybe nothing.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 1:16 p.m. CST

    BTW, I thought Hollywood is run by Scientology...

    by DerLanghaarige

    ...and not by Jews.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Stalin vs. Predator

    by American Hyena

    Each film has been a moronic mess? He's directed like...maybe ten films, most of them French and only two of which ANY of us have likely seen--Gothika (which I haven't seen and can't comment on) and La Haine, which is reeeeeeeally good and pretty damn critically acclaimed. Just sayin'

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 1:21 p.m. CST

    *sigh*

    by IAmLegolas

    yet another theatrical clusterfuck to wait for the "Unrated" or "Director's Cut" DVD for.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Send in the plants!

    by DocPazuzu

    Just watch, there will very shortly appear new talkbackers saying things like: <p> "C'mon dudes, let's give this thing a shot! I mean, we should just be happy they're even making sci-fi movies, right? I LOVE sci-fi and I'm going to be there opening night with my hot girlfriend and as many family members as I can get together! This is gonna be da boooommmmb!"

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Labor Day Weekend = Yeah, It's Bad

    by MGTHEDJ

    This weekend is the dumping ground. Let's hope Murdoch and Ailes decide Rothman needs to go. I mean, they are having to shakedown Time Warner over "Watchman" so they can say they made SOME money this summer.------later------m

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 1:28 p.m. CST

    I wonder though...

    by TroutMaskReplicant

    If a little Fox style studio interference would have improved Superman Returns. Even if some shithead suit sends you ridiculous memos, it still forces you to think critically about your work.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Shouldda released OUTLANDER against it

    by palimpsest

    that's all I'm saying

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 1:30 p.m. CST

    heard nothing good about this so far

    by palewook

    sounds like a derivative rip-off of most sci-fi movies from past 20 years. terminator meets blade runner. director doesn't like it. says what is on the screen wasn't on the page. etc.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 1:31 p.m. CST

    mefrog

    by the beef

    I agree. I always felt he was the better aspect of his bad movies, and he put in a great performance in FIND ME GUILTY. The problem with Diesel, and The Rock, is that they're action stars in a time of mostly poor action films for bulky men. Unfortunately, because of their physique it's probably a lot harder for them to find the James Bond or Jason Bourne action roles. I think if you extract Diesel, or The Rock from any of their bad films and insert a more reputable actor the movie would still be bad, and in some cases worse.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 1:34 p.m. CST

    I had high hopes for this one....

    by Gungan Slayer

    but ditched them long ago after hearing the mess this project was going through.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 1:35 p.m. CST

    FIRST!!!!

    by DarfurFTW

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 1:35 p.m. CST

    FIRST!!!!

    by DarfurFTW

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Looks like

    by papabendi

    cack. Like most studio films these days it looks like a mish mash of other, much better films.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Megan Fox Topless Lesbian Sex Scene...

    by PirateEmery

    ...in Jennifer's Body.<p> What's wrong with you, AICN? What happened to your newsworthy updates? We got a lovely little post regarding the "Lake" Incident, yet you guys don't feel like this is important?

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Newsflash: The big studios suck.

    by Rev. Slappy

    Knowthyself is right: it's amazing anything good gets made. Ever. I think the quality we do have is mostly due to the great and highly professional crews that work in LA. The below the line people are salvaging any credibility the industry has. Read Mamet's book Bambi vs Godzilla some time. Mamet says the below the line crew works their ass off every day to make the movie as close to perfect as it can be and the above the line people don't give a shit. I've said it before, the major studios were all founded by and run for decades by people who loved movies. Did they make the occasional stinker back then? Of course they did. Now the studios are run by people who have no clue about movies, film history, anything. Today the studios only want to make big tentpole movies. There was a great LA Times article about this a couple of weeks ago, how Warner Bros. has all these finished New Line films that they may bury because they don't know how the hell to sell them. The studios are run by people who think grosses = quality -- if a movie makes money then it must have been good and if it loses money it must have been bad. Last years Warners buried their exceedingly well reviewed Jesse James movie that starred ONE OF THE BIGGEST MOVIE STARS ON THE FUCKING PLANET because they didn't like it and had no idea what to do with it. Jesse James went on to get major Oscar nominations in spite of their idiocy in handling it. If it weren't for the Oscars and these mouthbreahers wanting the glory of winning awards, the quality would be even worse. This is why some of the best on-film storytelling is being done on cable TV.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Battlefield Earth / Matrix = Babylon AD

    by MEMEOVORE

    Hope long tongue Kelly Preston shows up! and Emo batman rocks.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 1:45 p.m. CST

    makes me real nervous about dollhouse

    by logicalnoise01

    I mean TV execs are known to be even more cutthroat than movie ones. Unless Fox's TV heads are somehow the complete opposites of their movie counterparts.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Sounds... .. . gay.

    by TooWhippy

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Yeah, let's turn Diesel on to yet another Riddick flick!

    by tvspace

    More post-apocalyptic crap... table for one...

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Damn. I want my film to have that awesome 20th Century Fox logo/

    by ciroslive

    but it doesn't seem nearly worth it for all the hassle of dealing with Fox Suits...

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Vin Deisel is

    by papabendi

    a coffee table of an actor. That's it. Just a bland old coffee table with cup ring marks on it.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Don't badmouth the suits...unless you're French

    by TroutMaskReplicant

    Kassovitz will probably get more respect from the French filmmaking community for shitting in Fox's faces than if he'd just stayed quite. You know what the French are like.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 1:52 p.m. CST

    fuck fox in the a-hole

    by Obscura

    they really dont know how to stay out of things they dont understand, namely making enjoyable films.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 1:57 p.m. CST

    still gonna be a rental for me...

    by just pillow talk

    No matter how messy it is.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Who cares when AVATAR is fucking our eyeballs...

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    ...in 2009?

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 2 p.m. CST

    Tugg

    by skimn

    I hope you're wrong, but Tropic Thunder is petering out, and too smart a comedy for the Kmart crowd anyway...these "parodies" have been usually released in the dead months of winter, but I don't see anything strong enough to keep it from the 20 million dollar range this weekend..too fuckin bad.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 2:10 p.m. CST

    FLAMES ON RIDDICK!!! NIPPLES ON THE PACIFIER!!!

    by BringingSexyBack

    Oh my Lord~ *Slaps hands*!!!!

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 2:13 p.m. CST

    NONE OF YOU HAVE EVEN SEE IT YET!! IT GONNA BE AWESUM!!

    by BringingSexyBack

    C'mon dudes, let's give this thing a shot! I mean, we should just be happy they're even making sci-fi movies, right? I LOVE sci-fi and I'm going to be there opening night with my hot girlfriend and as many family members as I can get together! This is gonna be da boooommmmb!

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 2:15 p.m. CST

    WE CAN ONLY HOPE THIS PUTS FOX AND MURDOCH OUT OF BUSINESS

    by BringingSexyBack

    but that's not likely to happen since they're bankrolled by Lucifer. Oh well.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 2:18 p.m. CST

    VIN DIESEL IN LITTLE BUDDHA 2: THE AWAKENING

    by BringingSexyBack

    Cuz he's bald, and so wuz da BUDDHA

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 2:23 p.m. CST

    They Should Call It The Invasion 2

    by A-COD

    No one will notice.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 2:23 p.m. CST

    I'd Love To See How Avatar Has Been Financed

    by TroutMaskReplicant

    Even taking Titanic's success into account, I just can't imagine sci-fi sceptical Fox forking over $300 million to Cameron and giving him complete free reign. No doubt the costs have been spread over various financiers and I'm sure Cameron has invested some of his own considerable resources into it.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 2:23 p.m. CST

    grueman

    by skimn

    That would be funnier if it weren't so true. Don't forget to take some Slim Jim.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 2:25 p.m. CST

    RIDDICK 2: RIDDICKEROUS

    by BringingSexyBack

    Where u at? (*beeep!*)

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Damn

    by Charlie_Allnut

    I was cautiously optimistic about this...I was hoping for a fun sci fi action movie and a Vin Diesel movie that doesn't suck.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 2:32 p.m. CST

    FOX........

    by the1980mutant

    How in the hell do people get in a charge of a Studio that have no idea what the public wants and even inhibit their own picks for directors because they think they know better? First they finished Xmen, now they are going to f@ck up Watchmen, don't even get me started on the AVP franchise which was am adolescent dream that they took a shit all over....twice!

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 2:36 p.m. CST

    :-P

    by BringingSexyBack

    ;-)

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Cyborg Fucking Ruled

    by Slippy

    Great 80's action movie. Would have been better if it had been the sequel to Masters of the Universe. I love Vincent Klyn screaming, "ATLANTA!" Classic movie.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Cyborg has its merits

    by r2hunter

    It's a fun movie to watch while stoned and/or drunk. But what's with the black girls nipples? No wonder Van Damme refuses them.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 2:45 p.m. CST

    That's a great LA Times article

    by FilmZ0mbie

    This quote sums up exactly what's wrong with Fox's way of making movies. THANK YOU! "Innumerable agents have complained to me that Fox doesn't want filmmakers--it wants no-name traffic cops to direct its movies. Here're the people who directed the studio's 2007 summer films: James Wan, Tom Brady, David Silverman, Len Wiseman, Tim Story and Carlos Fresnadillo. I bet some of them are genuinely nice guys, but there's not a Warren Beatty or Tim Burton in the bunch."

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Tugg

    by Rev. Slappy

    I think there is a huge need out there for the studios to start making high quality mainstream movies. One of the reasons Dark Knight has done so well is that it's really good. This is what should happen all the time: the studio hires a director and they get the fuck out of his/her way. I don't know if this Vin Diesel movie we are discussing would ever be a good movie, but you can see what studio interference does -- rarely does it make a movie better.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 2:46 p.m. CST

    hmmm.....

    by fartedinthefaceofhollywood

    Watching the trailers and tv spots.....it looks like the prettiest piece of shit out of the pile. Looks good....however,it tastes and smells like shit with a garnish of dingleberries....now thats classy.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 2:50 p.m. CST

    About DISASTER MOVIE...

    by mefrog

    I'm hoping that mayyyyybe audience members have gotten a little smarter about the shit that these guy shell out. I was in a sold out showing of Tropic Thunder last week and when the Disaster Movie trailer played, not one person laughed. Once. At all. It was actually kind of awkward.<br> <br> I mean, there was laughter at the beginning of the year for a fucking MEET THE SPARTANS trailer. Meet the fucking Spartans. I thought I had seen it all until Disaster Movie came, but NO ONE laughed at Disaster Movie.<br> <br> So I continue to hope. Fuck, maybe TDK will pull a massive comeback and take number one again. Please.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Vin Diesel

    by Series7

    Oh what a wasted career.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Too bad Tropic Thunder is too smart.

    by Rev. Slappy

    I liked it a lot, but I think it's way too inside about the industry for it to be a huge hit.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 2:52 p.m. CST

    kind of sad

    by quadrupletree

    I thought this might have potential... Damn you marketing!!!

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 2:55 p.m. CST

    BUDDHA'S VENGEANCE: RISE OF THE BUDDHATRON

    by BringingSexyBack

    Starring Vin Diesel as the cybernetically altered monk Lao Sze Johnson. Co-starring David Ogden-Stiers as his father, Po Ming.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Damn it!

    by Forsakyn

    Come on, Vin, get back to doing The Pacifier 2! Everyone wants it! Really!

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 2:56 p.m. CST

    BRING MAMA MIA BACK TO #1 !!!!!

    by BringingSexyBack

    Buy 2 tickets! 3 if you have to!

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 2:56 p.m. CST

    I agree with Mathieu but his career is dead now...

    by TheWaqman

    You can't badmouth big name producers and studios and expect to get any work again. But I agree, the director is too talented to have made this shit of a movie. And it lost ALL of its political and social significance in favor of shitty generic action sequences. What a fail of a movie. FOX is fucking stupid. They also fucked over Kingdom of Heaven (in which we got an amazing director's cut later released on DVD).

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 2:59 p.m. CST

    FUCK RUPERT MURDOCH

    by DOGSOUP

    He hates Movies.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 3:05 p.m. CST

    I HADN'T HEARD OF THIS MOVIE UNTIL THIS TALKBACK

    by BringingSexyBack

    So the news is especially devastating to me.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 3:05 p.m. CST

    BringinSexyBack

    by fartedinthefaceofhollywood

    how about i buy a ticket to The Dark Knight then go into the Mama Mia theater and fall asleep for 2 hours....just to spite this mission of yours HAHA!!! kidding....but im still not gonna see that shit

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 3:06 p.m. CST

    VIN DIESEL IS THE BRENDAN FRASER OF MULLATOS

    by BringingSexyBack

    I said it, and don't regret it.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 3:07 p.m. CST

    = the proven way to keep getting work with fox.

    by alice 13

    >coughwhedoncough<

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 3:08 p.m. CST

    FARTEDINTHEFACE

    by BringingSexyBack

    That was my intent - I used reverse psychology on all a youse!!! MUAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAH!!

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 3:10 p.m. CST

    .....

    by fartedinthefaceofhollywood

    the first time i heard ANYTHING about this movie was seeing the TV spot about 3 weeks ago.....thats NOT a good sign. Vin Diesel should just go about being a bouncer at a titty bar and give up "acting"....who knows, maybe....just mmmaaayyybe Fast and Furious will be a hit....but after Tokyo Drift, who gives a shit.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 3:10 p.m. CST

    GIMME A BOY!!!!

    by BringingSexyBack

    I'm boycotting Iron Man 2. Who's with me? Can I get an Amen brothers?

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 3:14 p.m. CST

    The Rock is a great actor in the making

    by liljuniorbrown

    He's not afraid to take some risks like in Be Cool ( he shined in a real turd fest) or in Southland tales. I'm not saying he's Daniel Day Lewis, he's just alot better than Vin Diesel ever dreamed of being.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 3:16 p.m. CST

    YOU KNOW WHAT WOULD REVIVE DIESEL'S CAREER?

    by BringingSexyBack

    A musical romedy.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 3:17 p.m. CST

    DIESEL SHOULD PLAY A FIREFIGHTER

    by BringingSexyBack

    I don't know why but that's what my gut tells me.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 3:37 p.m. CST

    This Fucking Sucks!

    by warghost

    I really hate it when these dumb asshole execs ruin a great visionary tale by getting involved in their development. The worst part is, they keep churning out these shitty films, and they see dwindling turnouts at the box office, so they think people don't want to see sci-fi action flicks anymore. That means they're less inclined to give a larger budget to this type of movie. They're too ignorant to understand that they have forgotten how to make a great movie. The actors these days SUCK!! The directors these days SUCK!! There are, of course, exceptions to the rules...but there are no Harrison Fords anymore, no George Lucas, and no Spielbergs anymore. Even these former greats are only a shadow of their former selves now. The sci-fi genre is doomed. But, to be fair, the first sign of a shitty movie is the inclusion of Vin Diesel. Chronicles of Riddick was the exception, but he can never be forgiven for XXX.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 3:39 p.m. CST

    THEY SHOULD REMAKE THE TOWERING INFERNO

    by BringingSexyBack

    with Diesel as the Steve McQueen firefighter.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 3:40 p.m. CST

    "Beat the shit of anyone walking out of DM."

    by Darth Macchio

    Haha! Quote of the day! Not to mention a totally excellent idea!

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 3:40 p.m. CST

    TheWaqman

    by TroutMaskReplicant

    Well his Hollywood career is over. But as I mentioned, he'll probably get respect in France for telling Hollywood to fuck off. I doubt that he'll be making anymore big budget films though. And he never made anything better than La Haine.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Vin Diesel should fire his agent

    by TVguy4566

    Can you think of an actor who has made worse career choices than Diesel. It was the IT action star after Fast and the Furious and he followed it up with XXX and A Man Apart. He got lucky with the Pacifier, but blew it with the Chronicles of Riddick. Chronicles of Riddick wasn't a horrible movie, but it was a big budget loser that probably should have been a new franchise since it really didn't seem to fit into the Pitch Black universe.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 3:45 p.m. CST

    DISASTER MOVIE = The End Is Really Fucking Nigh!

    by turketron

    They even say so to an extent in the trailer. FUCK FUCK FUCK the existence of that movie.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 3:46 p.m. CST

    I'D LIKE TO SPANK VIN'S BARE ASS AND MAKE HIM CALL ME DADDY

    by BringingSexyBack

    Hope you don't mind me sharing!

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Vin Diesel

    by skimn

    and Michael Wincott as firefighting brothers, who after years of smoke inhalation, can only speak in a low decibel rumble that only they can understand. Call it Lungs Of Fire.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Isn't Cyborg....

    by Wuu

    ...the one where Van-Damme's character is named Rickenbacker? That's almost as good a name as Rowsdower.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 4:39 p.m. CST

    BSB re: Diesel as a fireman

    by necgray

    Holy shit! He should totally remake Club Paradise and take over the Robin Williams role!

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Wuu! Rowsdower. Zap Rowsdower.

    by necgray

    And his trusty Larry Czonka-loving sidekick, Troy.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 4:45 p.m. CST

    skimn

    by REDD

    That's funny, with a cameo by Bale's Batman.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 4:47 p.m. CST

    C'mon dudes, let's give this thing a shot!

    by The Dum Guy

    I think that the choo-choo train looks nice or was that a bus?<br><br>But, seriously, did anyone see Death Race, or House Bunny, or The Rocker, or Mirrors? The only good thing out in cinemas right now is Pineapple Express, Tropic Thunder and Dark Knight... we are going to have to wait weeks for anything good to show.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Isn't this the director of "GOTHIKA?"

    by Johnny Storm

    I'm sorry, I'm sure Fox sucks dick. But that movie was fucking unwatchable. So what was his excuse that time?

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 4:57 p.m. CST

    dum guy: go see Elegy

    by necgray

    Ben Kingsley is the fucking MAN.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 5:21 p.m. CST

    would if I could, necgray

    by The Dum Guy

    But, the closest place to see it from where I live is around a 2 hour drive.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Vin Diesel to star in Roadhouse 3:

    by CyG

    The Blue Oyster Bar. May I push in your stool?

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Maaan, he just got FOX'D!!!

    by thatpeterguy

    Lawyers to the set? Not being able to shoot even one scene the way he wants? As a director myself I hope I never get FOX'd like Kassovitz did. I guess they aren't big on the "auteur theory".

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Disaster Movie!

    by worldofwarcraft

    Good to see people getting excited about this. And why not? Girl I know had more laughz watching Belly of the Beast by Steven Seagal than Tropic Thunder. I will be there for DM opening night, and I can GUARANTEE I will laugh my ass off!

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 5:36 p.m. CST

    I must be psychic.

    by thedottedlion

    Somehow I guessed that a movie made by fox, starring vin diesel, and directed by the guy who made Gothika would suck. Actually, any person alive could've guessed that. Btw, were I a fox producer, I would fight the director on every scene as well. Dude made Gothika! Behind Blue Eyes by Fred Durst? Jesus Christ.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 6:18 p.m. CST

    I've got plans for Disaster Movie

    by liljuniorbrown

    I swear on everything I hold dear that I will buy a ticket to Dark Knight, go in to the theater for the 7pm showing of Disaster Movie,walk to the very middle of the theater and shit in the floor. I apologize to the theater workers in advance but this movie has it coming.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Amelie

    by TheHumanBeingAndFish

    Didn't Mathieu Kassovitz play Amelie's love interest?

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Disaster Movie

    by jsm1978

    I can't wait for that movie to come out... just so I can stop seeing the crap trailers for it on tv. That being said...<p> I actually thought Babylon looked like it might have been a decent movie. Maybe there will be a director's cut on DVD that will be worth watching.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Grueman

    by liljuniorbrown

    I am dead serious about doing that. The biggest theater near me will be about half full of the typical frat boy's and there girlfriends who probably saw the the trailers for this movie during "The Hills" or " E! news " and can't wait for the new masterpiece from the people that brought us Meet The Spartans. What they don't realize is that as soon as the theater gets dark and they are busy doing a running commentary on every fucking trailer and commercial on the screen......I will be unleashing two days worth of disgustingly bad eating habits in front of them on the floor.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 6:58 p.m. CST

    movie actually improved by kicking director out

    by harryflashman

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Honestly, has taking a movie away

    by comedian_x

    from a director and gutting the movie in editing ever worked for a studio? Has it ever resulted in higher box office or better reviews? I can't think of one time it has worked successfully and yet they keep doing it. All we can do is wait for the inevitable Director's Cut DVD I guess.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 7:01 p.m. CST

    as I was saying..movie actually improved by..

    by harryflashman

    kicking a director out of the editing room and doing reshoots - American History X. I know it was the studio but close a dammit with Norton doing the booting. There must be more movies out there that have been improved by kicking a pretentious or untalented hack of a director out. Anyone??

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 7:10 p.m. CST

    Second review above

    by OwnedbyGeorge

    from SciFi movie page sounds like it could be a review for the Dark Knight.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Diesel best career move:

    by Phategod2

    The Grunts and groans for the Iron Giant. Thats about it.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Remember when Vin and The Rock were being

    by hallmitchell

    hailded as the carriers of the Torch from Stallone and Big Arnie. What happened? Vin - please do some kick ass comic or fantasy films. Please. You are potentially one of the great action stars. You are blowing it. My gut told me Babylon A.D. would suck despite killer title.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Studios, Just Create a Stable

    by Playhouse

    Hire a bunch of Z-grade and television directors to churn out your slickly produced crap with no creative input. Then the A-List directors and directors with vision should form their own studio/company that allows them to create the films they want to make.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 8:29 p.m. CST

    hora minasai

    by Chewbaccalypse Now

    I told you guys about this in the Riddick Talkback yesterday......just sayin.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 8:44 p.m. CST

    Thank you Grueman

    by liljuniorbrown

    I will post a blow by blow update that night when I get home. I was scared for like one second about getting arrested, but I could always pretend to be having a seizure or just go full retard. Either way i don't think i have much to be concerned about other than stepping in my own shit on the way out of the theater.Thanks for the props.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 9:19 p.m. CST

    A lesson for action directors: Don't work for FOX!

    by Neo Zeed

    This shit was doomed from the start.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Ah, how sad...

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    ...Great book, great director, interesting vehicle for an action star, and of course, its raped into tweeny oblivion. Thanks alot Fox.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 9:25 p.m. CST

    Kassovitz and Moronic messes?

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    What the fuck are you talking about? La Haine? Café au lait? Crimson Rivers? Assasins? Are you a retard or just a dickhead?

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Shitting on the floor of a public place?

    by worldofwarcraft

    Thats just classless. Though if you happen to do it at the theater I'm at, popcorn and nachos on me! And if you actually sit through the entire movie afterwards I'll treat to video games in the theater lobby! (no Dance games, though)

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Doesn't surprise me.

    by jae683

    It illustrates everything that's wrong with Hollywood today. That any decent movie gets made is a minor miracle.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 10:28 p.m. CST

    Probably had to be cut for a . . . wait for it . . .

    by kabong

    PG.

  • Aug. 27, 2008, 12:09 a.m. CST

    The more studio tampering, the bigger the bomb!

    by Kasch

    Seriously, studios spend all this time pulling their shit and acting like "perfectionists" to please every audience member under the sun and what does it amount to? A movie that will arrive and fade away from all collective thought in a week or two. Hollywood is just downright fucking retarded. Isn't it about time for the studios to collapse again so we can re-live the 70's? Y'know, when directors actually made movies...

  • Aug. 27, 2008, 2:06 a.m. CST

    Its pretty amazing...

    by WhinyNegativeBitch

    ...That some of these executives have jobs. They actively lose money. They go out of their way to take a property or product and fuck it up so that it loses money.

  • Aug. 27, 2008, 2:11 a.m. CST

    Didn't Kassovitz know what Fox is like?????

    by Ecto-1

    Most of us movie fans know that Fox is one of the worst studios out there and that Rothman is a moron. So how come that Kassovitz, someone who actually works in the industry, didn't know this? And just went ahead and set up a project with them. It's a damn shame but I think he should have known better.

  • Aug. 27, 2008, 2:39 a.m. CST

    Why is the animated short siding with Diesel?

    by Roketopunch

    WTF. Yeah like Vin Doodoohole is anything to scream about. The short tries to pretend that Diesel is the next cinema action hero. He is another fabricated shitty actor with no screen presence. he isn't saving crap. Fuck him, fuck the short and the maker of that is a douche bag that doesn't know anything about the cinematic hero. DIE!

  • Aug. 27, 2008, 3:01 a.m. CST

    can't wait for this

    by ironic_name

    a straight to dvd movie on the big screen, sounds like a howler.

  • Aug. 27, 2008, 3:04 a.m. CST

    iron giant is still his only real movie

    by ironic_name

    and that was a cartoon directed by a hack.

  • Aug. 27, 2008, 3:09 a.m. CST

    Amelie

    by SmallTuna

    Yes Mathieu Kassovitz played Amelie's love interest. He also played in the 5th Element, Munich, La Haine and the City of Lost Children...

  • Aug. 27, 2008, 3:51 a.m. CST

    The 4 Faster 4 Furiousness 4...

    by Tony fucknuts

    Lets not forget that the V-man still has this little beauty in the pipeline. Perhaps they'll substitute a number 4 for one or more of the F's in the title.Hopefully there'll be a bit where a car powerslides round a corner, and shoots a red shell at another car.

  • Aug. 27, 2008, 3:52 a.m. CST

    Fool you got FOX'd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by redfist

    no truer statement ever spoken.

  • Aug. 27, 2008, 4:21 a.m. CST

    Fox must have something

    by methosb

    They have the worst rep around yet they still manage to get directors to work with them again and again. Even the ones that got screwed over by Fox like Apatow, Hurwitz or Whedon still go back to them... I am guessing the answer is ginormous piles of cash.

  • Aug. 27, 2008, 5:44 a.m. CST

    was he the guy with the hall photo on his head.

    by ironic_name

  • Aug. 27, 2008, 5:45 a.m. CST

    was he the guy with the hall photo on his head in 5th?

    by ironic_name

  • Aug. 27, 2008, 6:47 a.m. CST

    this year's Little Miss Ultraviolet!

    by Spandau Belly

    And maybe I want different things from a movie, but that first review actually made me want to see it.

  • Aug. 27, 2008, 7:19 a.m. CST

    That trailer was horrible.

    by Knuckleduster

    Slapping Clint Mansell's old scores over shitty footage does not a good trailer make.

  • Aug. 27, 2008, 7:35 a.m. CST

    Playhouse - that already happened - nearly 100 years ago!

    by Maniaq

    The company was formed by Charlie Chaplin, Douglas Fairbanks, DW Griffith, and Mary Pickford (and their lawyer) and it was called... UNITED ARTISTS. <p> UA went on to produce successful film franchises like Sergio Leone's "spaghetti westerns" and the Pink Panther and James Bond films - eventually (ahem) merging with MGM and I think now belonging to Tom Cruise?

  • Aug. 27, 2008, 8:18 a.m. CST

    Problem

    by Cobbio

    Vin Diesel isn't the problem here, in my opinion. Though I haven't liked several of his films, I still think that, if used properly, he does good work.<p> The problem here is Fox. Meddling, small-minded, anti-artistic, lawyered-up Fox. My fucking god, leave your directors alone! Advise occasionally, but let your fucking directors direct. Because armchair lawyering ruins films, on both the creative level and at the box office.<p> See a pattern here, Fox? Not one hit this entire year? What's up with that? "The Dark Knight" and others making your studio look like braindead, micromanaging bitches? The answer: yeah, they are. And then some. Other studios offer better policies, more creative freedom, less bean counter strong-arming, less American Idolizing, and wider thinking among its higher-ups. I'm not saying the other studios are saints, by any means, but compared to Fox they are.<p> I feel bad for David Fincher ("Alien 3") and Mathieu Kassovitz. I wish them well in their post-Fox endeavors.

  • Aug. 27, 2008, 8:33 a.m. CST

    Iron Giant directed by a hack??

    by skimn

    No one going to call out ironic_name for calling Brad Bird a hack? Fine, I will.<p>Ex-fucking-cuse me? Brad Bird a hack? The director of one of Pixars best films (two if you really like Ratatouille), and a great adaptation with The Iron Giant, perhaps the best American traditional 2D animated film of the past 15 years. WTF!!!!

  • Aug. 27, 2008, 8:40 a.m. CST

    accordingtojimrulz, I'm sure Massa's on it

    by Spandau Belly

    He's some sort of massochist.

  • Aug. 27, 2008, 9:36 a.m. CST

    Van's next epic--

    by thegreatwhatzit

    THE PACIFIER II (preceded by a gig on DANCING WITH THE STARS). And maybe a stint on CHELSEA, LATELY (c'mon, you know she's hot).

  • Aug. 27, 2008, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Not a hack

    by Cobbio

    I agree, Skimn. "The Iron Giant" was a fabulous, emotionally engaging film that was NOT directed by a hack. I mean, Brad Bird also directed "The Incredibles." Anyone have the balls to call him a hack after seeing that movie?<p> I think not.

  • Aug. 27, 2008, 11:18 a.m. CST

    by Chief Joseph

  • Aug. 27, 2008, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Sithdan = plant

    by Chief Joseph

  • Aug. 27, 2008, 11:22 a.m. CST

    yep, directed by a hack

    by ironic_name

    a ripoff merchant. <P> not as bad as that lying arsehole that made nemo, but still a hack.

  • Aug. 27, 2008, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Stop hating on FOX!!!

    by standundermyumbrella

    Next year they are giving us: Wolverine. ice Age 3 and Avatar!

  • Aug. 27, 2008, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Re: ironic_name

    by Cobbio

    Brad Bird's a hack, huh? Man, I sure wouldn't want to be you.

  • Aug. 27, 2008, 6:30 p.m. CST

    wait wtf..

    by throwingpies

    I never watched Gothika when my gf insisted, but she pretty much confirmed my dread about it. This is the same director.. What the hell did you all expect?

  • Aug. 27, 2008, 7:12 p.m. CST

    BabylonAD gets 0% on Rotten Tomatoes Most impressive!

    by G100

    Yeah there's only bout 6 reviews so far. Still, made me laugh.<p> <p>Oh, and if you spend actuall cash to go watch Disaster Movie you clearly enjoy molesting poodles and chihuahuas. Scientific Fact !

  • Aug. 27, 2008, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Hating on Fox

    by docgl

    Its' hard not to hate a company like Fox. I don't plan on seeing any Fox Productions including Wolverine. I will not watch any Fox shows until they release their grip on the Watchmen movie!

  • Aug. 27, 2008, 7:22 p.m. CST

    I'm watching CoR right now on some shitty

    by puzzledman69

    digital channel. Seriously who thinks this is a good film. One of the best things about Pitch Black was the depiction of space travel and the future was vaguely realistic and then the sequel comes out with a bunch of gay cyberpunks and Dame Judi Dench floating about like an unwelcome fart. The films a joke. And another thing, why is it necesary for anyone evil in these films to have a mullet and wear black eyeliner.

  • Aug. 27, 2008, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Sucks! Damn it!

    by Russman

    So hard to get a good Sci Fi movie. Although after reading another article this one seemed to be a cluster F from the day one. Poorly written script, reports of VIn showing up late all the time, and laughing about it. They ran late and got kicked off a soundstage. (sigh) bummer.

  • Aug. 27, 2008, 8:12 p.m. CST

    To the 'Brad Bird's a hack' putz...

    by Darkman

    You're gonna be first in line for DISASTER MOVIE, aren't you? Just admit it.

  • Aug. 28, 2008, 3 a.m. CST

    Kassovitz has been sold out by Hollywood

    by Seth Gecko

    Another genius goes down the gurgler. Anyone who calls themselves a film fan should check out the brilliant Crimson Rivers and Kassovtiz's masterpiece La Haine (Hate). The guy is a top draw director and he has been John Woo'd by hollywood. Woo's Hong Kong masterpieces are perfect examples of why foreign directors should steer clear of the money over quality regime that Hollywood has become of late.

  • Aug. 28, 2008, 5:05 a.m. CST

    talkbacker standundermyumbrella...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...has participated in a total of four (4) other talkbacks, two of which dealing with Avatar and one dealing with AvP. In the latter his post has this headline: "Stop giving FOX a hard time!" <p> He's also participated in a Clone Wars TB, but only to venomously bash AICN. <p> standundermyumbrella is a fucking plant cretin sent out by his ghoulish, bloodsucking whoremasters at Fox for damage control.

  • Aug. 28, 2008, 9:26 a.m. CST

    B.A.D. le Film.

    by SenatorNado

    The film's official french site is: www.bad-lefilm.com BAD the Movie. Did the irony of that hit anybody at Fox?

  • Aug. 30, 2008, 11:50 p.m. CST

    I just saw it and...

    by Speedstream

    it was a disjointed disaster. I hope they paid Vin a ton - because...wow - he deserves it for how they raped this one. The director was bang on about how terrible it was!

  • April 12, 2009, 12:13 a.m. CST

    Huh?

    by KidCthulhu

    What's with the flashback?

  • April 12, 2009, 12:13 a.m. CST

    Did I fall through a wormhole again?

    by KidCthulhu

  • April 15, 2009, 10:23 p.m. CST

    You have entered..THE ORCUS ZONE

    by orcus

    Enjoy your stay and please done piss on the drapes