Aug. 25, 2008, 8:48 p.m. CST
thats what i think of it til i see it
Aug. 25, 2008, 8:49 p.m. CST
One of the great Brit comedies. Just watched the entire series a couple of months ago with my son and it holds up. Unfortunately we've heard this story before and Robert Lewellyn is a crappy source for it. He spent 4 years posting monthly that they were always "just about to begin" shooting on the ill-fated movie.
Aug. 25, 2008, 8:50 p.m. CST
Robert Llewellyn is going to be in prosthetics, but the other ones will look noticeably older.I wonder how much time will have passed.
Aug. 25, 2008, 8:52 p.m. CST
That's good news, hope it goes back to the laughs we had in the first few seasons, the last couple sucked. There's tons of potential there, they just have to understand why it went downhill.
Aug. 25, 2008, 9 p.m. CST
and an hour is too goddamn short
Aug. 25, 2008, 9:05 p.m. CST
Gonna fire me up some chicken vindeloo!
Aug. 25, 2008, 9:06 p.m. CST
its so annoying how we just got left hanging in space, not knowing if we'd ever see it again. ive been watching it recently, after a long gap, and its easily the best thing the bbc have ever made. not only does it work as a comedy, but it can proudly call itself a great sci-fi show too, and despite what people think, thats a very rare thing on this shitty little island.
Aug. 25, 2008, 9:10 p.m. CST
but shiny if it is. <p> you're a smeghead Git if not.
Aug. 25, 2008, 9:14 p.m. CST
by Chief Joseph
...then END the damn thing this time.<br> Give it a dignified and satisfying finale for Christ's sake, not another cliffhanger.
Aug. 25, 2008, 9:14 p.m. CST
...are they making the smegging movie? ??Pseudo?? Out.
Aug. 25, 2008, 9:20 p.m. CST
I sure hope there's a reference to curry.
Aug. 25, 2008, 9:31 p.m. CST
It's like a Triple Fried Egg, Chili Sauce and Chutney Sandwich. It's all wrong seperately, but when you put it all together it s wonderful.
Aug. 25, 2008, 9:39 p.m. CST
by Paul T. Ryan
And those words scrolled nearly a decade ago! About bloody time smegheads!
Aug. 25, 2008, 9:54 p.m. CST
It'll be back for breakfast.
Aug. 25, 2008, 9:56 p.m. CST
... Just a bunch of callbacks to favorite bits from the past. Oh look, Dwayne Dibbley and Ace Rimmer have shown up- A-freakin'-gain! Don't get me wrong. Those original episodes are good, but I want something new with the crew, not old home week.
Aug. 25, 2008, 10:18 p.m. CST
And thank fuck for that. Two hours of that dopey chick who ruined the show as Kochanski? Hell no!! They should get C.P. Grogan back and that would be fine.
Aug. 25, 2008, 10:29 p.m. CST
the words "hour of" were left out of it.
Aug. 25, 2008, 10:39 p.m. CST
Please come true...please come true. Can ya tell I'm a Dwarfer? Hehe.
Aug. 25, 2008, 11:09 p.m. CST
by Kurutteru Yatsu
The cast is going to be so old they may want to go with a real hologram for Rimmer.
Aug. 25, 2008, 11:09 p.m. CST
by jimmy rabbitte
...Lister gritting the path with Kochanski's remains on his farm in Fiji...
Aug. 25, 2008, 11:14 p.m. CST
With *Doctor Who* so damn hot, its no wonder to me why the BBC would be looking at their other scifi properties. Had they owned the rights to *Blake's 7*, it would've already been back on tv screens for at least a year already.
Aug. 25, 2008, 11:18 p.m. CST
by Amy Chasing
Red Dwarf went from being British pub humour in space, to geeky sci-fi humour (also in space), to very little humour at all. So as long as they remember their roots hopefully they'll knock this one out into space.
Aug. 25, 2008, 11:34 p.m. CST
In which case it will most likely turn out to be wrong.The BBC have been really awful to this show considering the amount of money it has made them and frankly they should have done a special years ago and then moved on to a film. I just dont see how a film would work now so maybe a one off special to rounds things of will be best, just need to wait for someone other than RL to say it IS actually happening.
Aug. 25, 2008, 11:42 p.m. CST
What a guy!
Aug. 25, 2008, 11:46 p.m. CST
I could not sit through an episode of this. It was just garbage. It was nice seeing a younger Mr. Weasley in this. Flame on.
Aug. 25, 2008, 11:59 p.m. CST
Aug. 26, 2008, 12:01 a.m. CST
Best comedy of all time so sayeth the King of the Potato People!!!
Aug. 26, 2008, 12:08 a.m. CST
Aug. 26, 2008, 12:10 a.m. CST
I love this show... still need to track down a few "series" on dvd. I really hope they do something, I'd pretty much given up hope of ever seeing more.
Aug. 26, 2008, 12:36 a.m. CST
It has sucked mightily since Season 6 ended, and Rob Grant left the show. <p> Rob Grant was the source of all that was funny in the show. Doug Naylor, well, he's basically Rimmer. <p> Anyone who has read their different (and incompatible) Red Dwarf novels can see this. Grants is funny. Naylor's tries to make Rimmer sympathetic and a hero and shit. And is painfully unfunny.
Aug. 26, 2008, 12:49 a.m. CST
Love my Red Dwarf (points at name). We will finally get a conclusion to the bloody only cliff hanger the show did.
Aug. 26, 2008, 1:44 a.m. CST
What the fuck were they thinking on Series 7 and 8? They're better off leaving this alone.
Aug. 26, 2008, 1:53 a.m. CST
by Rogue Planet
...he was just misinformed about the movie. Doug Naylor was constantly saying production on the movie was progressing, and the cast would go to script read-throughs all the time, but then it never happened. It's not his fault. I think I'd trust his word over a lot of the other tabloid rags that continuously spout "scoops" about casting and production decisions. Cher as Catwoman? COME ON!!!! But I believe in Bobby Llew.
Aug. 26, 2008, 1:55 a.m. CST
by Rogue Planet
...says the Red Dwarf perfectionist with a heart of gold.
Can't wait and I hope it spurs on a new series. I'd rather have this than that crap Hyperdrive.
Aug. 26, 2008, 2:39 a.m. CST
I've been hoping that they would at least try to wrap the series up in some way. I'd have preferred a final season to finish the story off, but I'll take an hour long special over nothing.<br><br> As for the series going downhill, I think it started to lose its spark after season 3, but it really went down in quality during season 6 I think, with season 7 being the worst of the lot.<br><br> That said, I thought season 8 was really excellent, the show was very funny again and I really enjoyed the re-introduction of the crew (especially bringing back Captain Hollister).<br><br> I've got my fingers crossed this special gets made!
Aug. 26, 2008, 3:11 a.m. CST
relatively close to the production team of Coronation Street (UK Soap) I can at least confirm Craig Charles (lister) will not be on set from the end of September to mid way through Novemeber. <p> This was not a confirmed break up until recently (as he's already had his holiday leave) and we wanted to believe it was a contractually arranged Red Dwarf related. So it's very plausible. <p> As for excitement, theres no way they will scale it back to the claustrophobic tight humour of the early series and it's quite unlikely they will axe Kochanski but if they at least try and go for the ethic of series 3-6 then we should reamin optimistic. Series 7 was dire and only a few shining lights in eight. <p> The books of the series as mentioned were much MUCH better.
Aug. 26, 2008, 3:24 a.m. CST
by Tony fucknuts
Rob Grant is sorely missed. I still enjoy series seven, i found the attempts to deepen the RD mythos worked for me on the whole,despite nitpicks, (even if they did resort to the AR machine as a plot device all the time.) But series 8....oh god, for what Doug Naylor did to a series i once loved, damn him to hell. So many superflous, unfunny characters, clunky, awful dialogue, random "fan service" references and criminally underusing Chris Barrie. And what the fuck is with the "remastering" of the old series on dvd? It was never about the special effects! He's the last human, he's in space, and he's a scouse bum, thats the premise we all accepted unquestioningly in the way back when. Remaster the last series' script, if anything! Thank fuck the movie never got made. Like Rob Grant said, for him it was like watching someone else going out with the woman you once loved and fucking her over completely. And yet... These shows and characters are such a part of my childhood and adolescence. I'm always going to watch any old crap that they're in. I actually have the "Can't Smeg, Won't Smeg" special taped off the tv from back in '97.There was absolutely no reason for me to need to own that. I'll be watching this too, no matter how it turns out. Just, Scrap the rest of series 8 cast and put the 4 lads in space together. Thats all i need.
Aug. 26, 2008, 4:21 a.m. CST
by Steve Rogers
Doug Naylor struggled along manfully on his own, but the show never regained the peaks of series 3-6 with him as sole writer (series 8 had a couple of great moments, but series 7 is abysmal). <p> Also, DON'T STRETCH THE BUDGET. Red Dwarf has always been made cheaply, but just get the money and aim for the hour. Too little cash ruined series 8, they ended up having to make parts 2 and 3 of already filming episodes to pad out the run, and in doing so stretched those shows past breaking point with tons of shit filler.
Aug. 26, 2008, 7:09 a.m. CST
Surely they can't do it without Craig "Crack Cocaine and Pornography Scandal" Charles. NO WAY is he working ever again. Was that not reported in the US?
Aug. 26, 2008, 7:19 a.m. CST
by Shut the Fuck up Donny
and I'm sure this bit of information will be discussed at one (if not all) of his panels. If anybody gives a damn, I'll try to follow up on what he says about it.
Aug. 26, 2008, 7:25 a.m. CST
with the pound to dollar conversion rates, shocked all of Britain's shows aren't shot in the USA. Dollar has gotten so weak here, studios no longer save money shooting in Canada. They stay in the states..
Aug. 26, 2008, 7:29 a.m. CST
Get a talented crew to work with the original producers (ala THE OFFICE) and put it on USA/Sci-Fi so they put some more mature content on it, and viola: a basic cable hit
Aug. 26, 2008, 7:33 a.m. CST
They are the real life Lister and Rimmer (respectively) and the chances of them working together are none and less than none. <p> Oh, and for these two quotes... <p> "oh god, for what Doug Naylor did to a series i once loved, damn him to hell." <p> and "Like Rob Grant said, for him it was like watching someone else going out with the woman you once loved and fucking her over completely" <p> Gym wins this thread.
Aug. 26, 2008, 7:53 a.m. CST
I agree totally that this 'jumped the shark' between season 5 and 6 (6 was acceptable, but the downward slide to the awfulness that series 7 & 8 began in 6).... But hey, this is science Fiction.. I would love for Lister to do a "wake up in the shower" type thing, but in a sci-fi way (time travel, whatever) and series 7 & 8 never happened. Ah, now I would watch that... and if it was a 1 off hour long special, just tying up some loose ends would be nice (seeing Listy kickstart the new Universe with Starbugs battery would be nice to see)... But lets face it, this will either be a) never made or b) as shit as the 8th season.... It'll never re-capture that first night when, as a student, I watched this small, 'new sci-fi series' on BBC2, and loved it from the first episode.... That's just too long ago to think back (shit, that was a long time ago when i think about it... man, i had hair then!!)..... Lister + Kochanski, married, with 2 kids, the end........
Aug. 26, 2008, 8:12 a.m. CST
I really don't get all the hate for Series 6. I think it was probably the most consistent and solid collection of episodes of the whole run. Granted, Series 7 and 8 were big declines, but I still enjoyed them. The filmic look of Series 7 really was a bit arse, though. I'm excited for this new episode, but my expectations are middling at best.
Aug. 26, 2008, 8:26 a.m. CST
They were, for the most part, carbon copies of each other. The jokes were, for the most part, repeated week in week out, with minor variations. <p> Let's have a "She's as blank as a blank" statement from Lister, followed by an amusing metaphor for Kryten's head. Now have the Cat say "We're deader than some really obscure fashion item" And so on. <p> Seriously, watch them again, back to back and you can't help but notice it. <p> Personally, I didn't hate Season 6. I thought it was weak, but it gave us the Horsemen episode and other gems and a brilliant cliff hanger ending.
Aug. 26, 2008, 8:52 a.m. CST
Red Dwarf was awful. Just reminds me of Warhammer geeks at school wearing t-shirts that said "smeg off" on them. Absolutely awful. They're probably still wearing them.
Aug. 26, 2008, 9:02 a.m. CST
They did try an American version..it was horrible x a million
Aug. 26, 2008, 9:05 a.m. CST
They did try making a pilot for an American Version. I belive the actress who played Dax on ST:DS9 was involved. I can't recall anyone else. And it was terrible as XoanonTORN mentioned.
Aug. 26, 2008, 9:41 a.m. CST
Yeah, the chick from Frasier was Holly, and the Lister guy is now on some sitcom. I can't remember what, but I saw the ad and and thought "Wow, he's still working!"
Aug. 26, 2008, 10:11 a.m. CST
Died last year of cancer. "Tim Henman...he is the human form of beige!". rest in piece!
Aug. 26, 2008, 10:25 a.m. CST
IT has been so long off the air, that I cannot see any reason, why on earth they should bring it back. now. The writers/creators of the books and the show really cannot stand to be in the same room with each other anymore. Craig Charles nearly lost his career to drugs and so I cannot see him leaving corrie. Maybe the pay cuts granda are forcing the cast to take mean he will walk away. I dont know. The cast are bunch of hasbeens. By the way the above post to linda Smith should read rest in peace. not piece. Robert Lewllywn is very good as the host of scrapheap. because to be fair his career pretty much is and that is where red dwarf should remain. Why did the movie fall apart? and where is danny....Oh nevermind.
Aug. 26, 2008, 10:34 a.m. CST
Not a good idea. Let me have my fond memories of this once great series. Later episodes became like the future version of the crew shown in "Out of Time", bloated, bald and jaded.<p> May The Inquisitor go back in time and erase this idea from history.
Aug. 26, 2008, 10:34 a.m. CST
by Steve Rogers
They finished the old 'Body Snatcher' script that was animated for DVD. And did a commentary. And appeared in documentaries. So they obviously CAN be in the same room together. <p> As for Craig Charles "never working again", he's been back in Coronation Street for ages (I am told - I don't watch that shit!).
Aug. 26, 2008, 11:09 a.m. CST
but sorry guys, Hyperspace is better in leaps and bounds.
Aug. 26, 2008, 11:27 a.m. CST
Thankyou Mr Lister.
Aug. 26, 2008, 11:29 a.m. CST
If that's accurate, it's very interesting. BBC Worldwide is the BBC's commercial and so don't directly commission anything for BBC1 or BBC2. They might commission stuff for BBC America or straight-to-DVD stuff.<p>My bet is that Grant and Naylor are writing, after their collaboration on Bodysnatcher. Whatever it is, it has already been written.<p>Personally, Series VI was my favourite because the tone worked so well. Out Of Time was genuinely moving so, as a fan, I felt screwed when the cliffhanger was just brushed over when the show picked up a few years later without Grant. VII and VIII were just awful. The two books that they wrote together were brilliant but, again, I felt screwed that they didn't complete the trilogy together. There was even a cover produced for the proposed third Grant Naylor book!
Aug. 26, 2008, 11:35 a.m. CST
Link: http://tinyurl.com/6k6r7o<p>And it seems the RD website has known about it since at least February, since it was on the cards since the website relaunch.
Aug. 26, 2008, 11:53 a.m. CST
by Bouncy X
i've only seen a handful of episodes but based on the effetcs, sets and picture quality i was under the impression it was from the 80s. but yeah one hour is retarded, why not do a full 90-120min movie?
Aug. 26, 2008, 12:58 p.m. CST
Not the strongest series there's no doubt but some interesting concepts and a few great eps - Ouroboros stands out for me. VIII is far weaker for me, terrible infantile humour, the entire concept of the show (the last human + co)lost with a bloated cast list. Don't start on the filler multipart episodes either.
Aug. 26, 2008, 1 p.m. CST
Aug. 26, 2008, 1:01 p.m. CST
sorry, but the show peaked at 7. Series 8 fucked with the whole premise of the show (Last human left? not anymore!) and the sub-premise the show had been running with for years (Lost Red Dwarf? No you haven't!) and turned it into just another space sitcom. Sure, some of the moments were great, but it was poor compared to 5, 6 & 7. Still glad that we might see a special though, it's been far too long.
Aug. 26, 2008, 1:03 p.m. CST
Multipart episodes suck ass in almost any series (some sci-fi dramas can pull it off), but they suck in comedies. Pete was the worst episode of any series of Dwarf
Aug. 26, 2008, 1:26 p.m. CST
wasn't that actually filming a few years ago?
Aug. 26, 2008, 1:28 p.m. CST
Can anyone explain to me why Doug Naylor got to keep running the show and Rob Grant left as opposed to the other way around? Rob Grant's "Backwards" book still sounded a lot like the collaborative novels they wrote previously, Doug Naylor's "The Last Human", nowhere near as much.
Aug. 26, 2008, 1:41 p.m. CST
SMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.... a SMEEEEEEEEE HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Aug. 26, 2008, 1:46 p.m. CST
and really wanted to like but I couldnt. for some reason.
Aug. 26, 2008, 1:49 p.m. CST
about a possible dr who movie. which has followed hot on the heels of the news that. we lucky people are getting a press gang movie. YAY. I fucking press gang.
Aug. 26, 2008, 1:50 p.m. CST
I fucking loved press gang.
Aug. 26, 2008, 2:45 p.m. CST
Hope RD does come back! One of the best TV shows ever!!!
Aug. 26, 2008, 3:19 p.m. CST
I definitely prefer a continuation to a remake (I was thinking that's the road they'd go down, which clearly wouldn't work at all since lightning struck once already with this cast), but as other have said the show was in a pretty poor state when it ended. If Rob Grant came back as well, it could still be really good, but Naylor by himself? I'm lukewarm at best. "Surely they can't do it without Craig "Crack Cocaine and Pornography Scandal" Charles. NO WAY is he working ever again." Except he's had a recurring role on the biggest TV show on British TV for several years? "Can anyone explain to me why Doug Naylor got to keep running the show and Rob Grant left as opposed to the other way around?" Grant thought that Red Dwarf had had its day and wanted to work on other things. Naylor didn't, so Grant left and Naylor carried on. Simple as that. Naylor claims that he doesn't know exactly why Grant left. Even when he and Grant started talking again it was an issue that wasn't up for discussion, and in the Season 6 DVD Naylor still claims not to have a clue what really happened there. Grant's other TV shows have been a bit rubbish, to be honest, but his novels have been pretty decent.
Aug. 26, 2008, 3:45 p.m. CST
by The Ape Giggins
I bet it will have new "framing" footage of Kryten thinking back on the adventures he had with Lister, etc., and then showing lots of clips from the series. They do that a lot over there.
I'm up for it-- One of my fondest memories of school was the day i took the 'Primordal Soup' script book into school. It contained a script for 'Psirens' from season six which at the time had not been aired. Me and my mates spent a science lesson acting out the whole thing! I used to be fanatical about this show until about season 7, and then it just became embarrassing. With the special the beeb shouldn't really bother with continuity too much. Just have Lister, Rimmer, the Cat and Kryten on board the Dwarf with the Hattie Hayridge Holly. Just say that everything since the end of season five was an hallucination caused by the despair squid! It could work-- they retconned pretty hugely at the start of season 3 and that's when the show really took off (and when I started watching). Having Kochanski in the show just ruined the dynamic of the characters.
Aug. 26, 2008, 4:17 p.m. CST
by Chief Joseph
As a gag, Rob Grant burned Doug Naylor's wooden leg.<br> The wooden leg had been given to Doug by his father and was made of rare Javanese camphor-wood.<br> Doug Naylor has never forgiven Rob grant for this.
Aug. 26, 2008, 4:35 p.m. CST
by Chief Joseph
Remember at the end of series 6 when there were pockets of fake reality or somesuch? Lister appeared to be a mechanoid, etc.<br> Series 7 and 8 could just be written off as one of those false realities.
Aug. 26, 2008, 5:15 p.m. CST
by Mr Writer
And I would love to see the boys from the Dwarf back again. Series 1-6 were absolutely fantastic, not just as comedy shows, but as science fiction too and those classic episodes are a huge part of my childhood and teenage years. Series 3 and 6 were my overall favourites and I was heartbroken at how 7 and 8 turned out with Rob Grant leaving and Kristine 'anti-funny' Kochanski joining the team. Sure 7 and 8 had their moments, but there was just something fundamentally wrong with both series and worse still it just wasn't funny anymore. If the new episode or one off special is Doug Naylor on his own I doubt it will be any better than 7 or 8, but if Rob Grant is onboard we could finally get the ending to the show we deserve. I loved the cliffhanger ending to series 6. It was genuinely moving and very clever, but they wasted it by almost pretending like it never happened in series 7. The cliffhanger ending to series 8 was poor in comparison and I'm hoping if they do a one-off special it forgets about that storyline and starts somewhere new. Just keep it simple. Get rid of Kochanski and have Lister, Rimmer, Kryten, Cat and Holly lost in deep space together again. The greatest episodes were wonderful character based comedies with cracking one liners, sight gags, and innovative sci-fi thrown in for a good measure with a bit of action and FX too.
Aug. 26, 2008, 5:22 p.m. CST
They've said more than once over at reddwarf.co.uk that they would never use the false realities retcon to reset things, because it's something that fans who hate VII & VIII keep harping on about. They've even said that they didn't use that idea to resolve the cliffhanger at the beginning of VII because the fans had guessed. Which is just plain stupid because it would have been far better than the summary we ended up with.<p> I really hope that this one hour special ends things properly, rather than another unresolved ending. But I doubt it, since they talk about "a new generation of fans". As long as they don't go with the 'Earth' idea that was originally intended to conclude VIII. Christ, but that was a fucking stupid idea.
Aug. 26, 2008, 5:36 p.m. CST
I agree with you entirely. The ending of 'Out Of Time' was all the more moving for being a dramatic moment in a comedy. Rimmer's voice catching as he said "there may be a what?" and then realising he could do something was so touching. My favourite RD episode.<p>There's a moment just before they begin to die that a missile hits and you get the 'false reality' effect. Clearly the conclusion was going to be that the ship exploding was a false reality. The present Starbug would then emerge from this bubble and destroy the future Starbug. But, in the intervening years, some fans had guessed that this was an option so Doug Naylor ditched it.<p>Which is daft because the original ending (which was shot) had already been released on video before VII. Destroying the time machine destroyed the paradox and their future selves, resetting things to before they found the time machine. Which is how Naylor resolved the situation at the start of VII ! So they ditched a conclusion which a lot of people knew was an option.... for a conclusion which a lot of people knew was an option. And completely undermined the moving ending of VI. That is the moment I ceased to love Red Dwarf with all my heart and began to merely watch it.
Aug. 26, 2008, 5:36 p.m. CST
by Kurutteru Yatsu
Does "next season" mean the four specials or the actual Series Five? MOAR INFOZ PLOX.
Aug. 26, 2008, 5:41 p.m. CST
What the fuck? Either you only saw 7 and 8, or you're an idiot. The show peaked series 1-5, it was going downhill 6 onwards.
Aug. 26, 2008, 5:47 p.m. CST
HOWEVER, both seasons were made in the wrong way. By increasing the episodes from 6 to 8 (so as to meet the 52 episode syndication number) we ended up with two episodes in each season that were either utter crap or pointless. The character of Kochanski was really bad too. I hope to god she is better in any new Dwarf that's made. But both VII and VIII proved Dwarf was still capable of great things when the episodes were a little more standalone and focussed on an actual story rather than 'let's have another scene where Rimmer and Lister are made to look like idiots, oh and another where Kryten whines like an old woman'. In VII that would be Tikka To Ride (the one involving the Kennedy assassination) and in VIII Cassandra.
Aug. 26, 2008, 6:51 p.m. CST
The guy on the llew.co.uk forum who reported from the event says that Robert only mentioned one writer, but couldn't remember which one. This would certainly be Doug Naylor. If he is working alone then we can be pretty sure that this will, indeed, be crap. For a moment I dared to hope for a return to the joys of a Grant Naylor-written show...
Aug. 26, 2008, 7:38 p.m. CST
Aug. 26, 2008, 9:35 p.m. CST
Hold the phone, my man! Did you say new episodes of She's the Sheriff? Man, if a property ever needed a feature film, it's that one! I would love to see that on the big screen. Some of the best times of my life were spent asking the question "Is she really the sheriff? Nah, can't be. She used to be a ditzy blonde and now she's a blonde sheriff. Is she really the sheriff? They're playing tricks on me, they are." Gosh, I need to dust off that thighmaster...wait! Thighmaster the Movie!!!
Aug. 26, 2008, 9:40 p.m. CST
Why would they just film one hour of new material? I'm guessing it will be a clip show.<br><br>Robert Lewellyn will be stopping by Twitlive.tv tomorrow so hopefully he will talk about it more.
Aug. 26, 2008, 9:50 p.m. CST
I've never heard of this 'Earth' episode.
Aug. 26, 2008, 10:06 p.m. CST
really. guess i have to listen tomorrow too.
Aug. 26, 2008, 10:35 p.m. CST
by Red Dawn Don
Not only did it "Jump The Shark" it also HUMPED The Shark. I have several early seasons but man they cost too much MONEY. Must be those costly song rights, yeah right. YouTube has/had the failed AMERICAN pilot episode with USA actors. I think Craig Bierko was Lister? It HUMPED The Shark and then went back for sloppy seconds, it was so BAD.
Aug. 26, 2008, 11:49 p.m. CST
by Chief Joseph
Thanks for letting me know that other fans had my "false reality" theory. I'm a casual fan in the US, so I never hear about Dwarf news (or scandals).<br> Hmm, that's too bad that Naylor has wimped out on the false reality option. Of course the fans are going to guess out a cliffhanger when you're off there are YEARS between series.<br> (Then again there were those idiots that insisted Palpatine and Darth Sidious were two different people, so what do fans know...)
Aug. 27, 2008, 3:12 a.m. CST
Aug. 27, 2008, 3:30 a.m. CST
by Steve Rogers
Anyone who thinks this is better than RD (especially series 3 - 6) must be on some serious mind-bending drugs. Awful, unfunny programme.
Aug. 27, 2008, 4:23 a.m. CST
only because nick frost is in it. spaced fans think he is some sort of comedy god. and pegg. I dont really understand pegg's appeal. I never have and I have spaced on DVD and have wathced series one and two.
Aug. 27, 2008, 7:44 a.m. CST
You've got slightly the wrong end of the stick regarding the end of VI and start of VII. The events pan out like this: <br> <br> The original ending was shot, with Rimmer destroying the time drive, thus preventing the events from happening in the first place. This was the originally intended ending - and was edited together in a version that already included the 'false reality' video effect you mentioned. The effect was used, at most, as a mislead - it was actually meant to simulate an impact in a quick video way (the last episodes were cut under heavy time pressure), but if people took it as a bubble, okay. The true ending would ultimately prove them wrong.<br> <br> When that ending was cut, some fans published opinions in mags like Starburst saying that they already knew how the cliffhanger would resolve - obviously it was a reality bubble. Which is funny because, well, there WAS an ending, that wasn't it, and it had already been published in the Fan Club magazine by someone who was at the recording. Obviously the VHS/DVD release of that ending proved certain people wrong.<br> <br> When the seventh series came out there had been a large gap after series six, much longer than normal, and the makers wanted to kick-off with a self-contained story, leading them to skip quickly past the cliffhanger. I agree that this was disappointing (Red Dwarf has a history of ignoring its own cliffhangers, as the ending to II/start of III clearly demonstrates!), but the solution given ISN'T the same as the one originally shot OR the 'unreality' fan theory.<br> <br> The final solution was that Rimmer was killed before he shot the time drive. And if all the characters were killed, they could never exist in the future to come back and kill their younger selves. And so the events are completely eliminated through paradox.<br> <br> I agree it's a mess. I agree it fails as a conclusion. But it's not the first time the series has done it, and it's not the same as either publicly-discussed conclusion. Well, not quite.<br> <br> Still - new Dwarf, eh?
Aug. 27, 2008, 7:46 a.m. CST
spewing time? Back into the universe?
Aug. 27, 2008, 7:51 a.m. CST
by Col. Tigh-Fighter
Cant believe it ever got off the ground. And season 7 rocks! Crazy folk! And the US pilot isnt that bad. Danny Jules loves the actor who plays the cat in the US one
Aug. 27, 2008, 9:34 a.m. CST
by Steve Rogers
Will someone punch him out?!?
Well put by supertoyslast. The DVD “making of” implied that the ending of VI was re-cut to leave the fans with a cliffhanger, which would put pressure on the Beeb to greenlight series VII (the Red Dwarf crew almost never knew if they would called back for another series). I hope they get this one right, they’ve had long enough to come up with some new ideas. We definitely don’t want any more Red Dwarf does Ready Steady Cook bollocks or Dwayne fucking Dibley. I don’t why Danny stopped playing the Cat as a selfish yet stylish feline James Brown and decided that he would be better off as a gormless fuckwit with a superhuman sense of smell.
Aug. 27, 2008, 11:14 a.m. CST
I have Danny John-Jules on my Facebook friends list, I just posted on his wall asking about this rumour.
Aug. 27, 2008, 12:07 p.m. CST
he's not in jail then? nyuck nyuck. him and craig both having run-ins with the law can't help the future of the show much.
Aug. 27, 2008, 12:54 p.m. CST
should update their news page more often than every friday when everyone is actually talking about it
Aug. 27, 2008, 1:59 p.m. CST
Is this ever coming to the USA????
Aug. 27, 2008, 2:18 p.m. CST
What you say is true enough. According to either the DVD docs or archive material on the RD site (I can't remember which) whether to go with the filmed ending or a cliffhanger was much debated at the time. Grant and Naylor disagreed - one liked the cliffhanger the other didn't (but I can't remember which).<p>However, I find it difficult to believe that the "bubble" effect was intended only as a missile hit before the original ending was cut. After all, it was a post-production effect. My sequence of events would be:<p>- Original ending filmed as written.<p>- Original ending leaked, leading to insertion of cliffhanger.<p>- During post-production, someone notices an opportunity to insert a "bubble" effect as the missile hits - therefore giving them an "out" to the dilemma posed by the cliffhanger.<p>- Fans guess the "bubble" solution so, bizarrely, Naylor goes back to a version of the original ending (everything reset by the time machine being destroyed).<p>I say that they chose not to go with the "bubble" solution due to fans guessing because a member of Grant Naylor Productions has explicitly said so on the Red Dwarf forum. I wish I had a link, but this would have been years ago.
Aug. 27, 2008, 5:07 p.m. CST
Aug. 27, 2008, 6:47 p.m. CST
by Steve Rogers
...and that one.
Aug. 27, 2008, 9:14 p.m. CST
Craig Charles was arrested for crack possession, so...good luck with that.
Aug. 28, 2008, 9:10 a.m. CST
There's something incredibly cathartic about Rimmer being smart and brave for the first time in his life in order to save the crew. Even in a comedy, that's epic shit right there. And yeah, it really doesn't need saying at all that everything after VI was garbage, with the remote possible exception of 'Cassandra'.
Aug. 28, 2008, 9:47 a.m. CST
Cool standalone stories like The Inquisitor. It was around that time that Red Dwarf being funny was just the icing on the cake, the sci-fi and story was great before we even got to the comedy.
Aug. 28, 2008, 11:51 a.m. CST
by Chief Joseph
Never heard about his arrest.<br> Though his crime is way cooler than Craig Charles', goin' all Musashi on those garbagemens' asses.
Aug. 28, 2008, 12:43 p.m. CST
I think the thing we disagree on is your interpretation of a couple of facts, that's all. It's true they didn't use the unreality bubble ending as it had already been leapt upon, but that doesn't mean it was intentionally seeded in post three years before. Nobody's ever stated that in an interview, though it's certainly plausible. Still, odd that it's NEVER been mentioned by director, producer or writers - and that WAS a rushed edit, so they needed FX for that final episode fast, and one was already loaded into the system. Either is possible and we can't hold the production to our assumptions.<br> <br> Secondly, we know for sure that the first ending wasn't JUST dropped due to a leak. It informed the decision, which is what was said on the RD board, but the reasons were also the others that you cited - need to keep series interest, idea to generate more drama, dump the pat ending, etc.<br> <br> Not that it makes any difference - if you decide to ignore your cliffhanger (as they also did with Series II), one rushed explanation's as good/bad as another. Would Lister saying "It never happened after all" and moving on have been much better? <br> <br> Mind you, not sure how a crew who think they've been killed and blown up get OUT of an unreality bubble... :-)<br>
Aug. 29, 2008, 6:13 a.m. CST
They update their news page on Fridays. It has just been updated - with no news about the TV project. They've seemingly been planning this since February. It's going to shoot in October. And they can't put together a press release for the end of August? Even a basic confirmation would be nice.
Aug. 29, 2008, 6:20 a.m. CST
Same kind of thing as the Allo Allo reunion. A clip show with the cast in character linking the clips. 4 x 30-minute specials with, I guess, about an hour of new linking material: http://tinyurl.com/6q8w33
Aug. 29, 2008, 5:08 p.m. CST
after Lister finally got back to earth in series 7... then they left again. I dunno where it was headed after that.
Aug. 31, 2008, 9:08 a.m. CST
Geoffrey Perkins was killed in a tragic Car accident. A van hit his car. Nobody should go out like that....