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AMERICAN IDOL
Gets Fourth Judge!!

Published at: Aug. 25, 2008, 12:15 p.m. CST by hercules

I am – Hercules!!
America’s number-one TV series is getting a new cast member. Grammy-nominated 37-year-old Kara DioGuardi – who has written songs for “American Idol” vets Kelly Clarkson, Carrie Underwood and Bo Bice, as well as Christina Aguilera, Gwen Stefani, Pink, Avril Lavigne, Britney Spears, Pussycat Dolls, Celine Dion, Hannah Montana, Jonas Brothers, Paris Hilton, Faith Hill, Santana, Ashlee Simpson, Jewel, Kylie Minogue, RBD, Laura Pausini, Enrique Iglesias, Marc Anthony, Dr Dre, Timbaland, Justin Timberlake, Thalía and Ricky Martin – has joined “American Idol” as its fourth judge. Somewhere, Brian Dunkleman sheds a single tear. No word yet on whether or not all the “American Idol” rip-offs on rival networks and cable will now have to add a fourth judge as well. Find all of the Associated Press’ story on the matter here.

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  • Aug. 25, 2008, 12:14 p.m. CST

    The 4th Horseman is

    by skimn

    complete

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Does anyone really give a rats ass about this??

    by GreatCzarsGhost

    Answer.... is NO

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Cowell's hareem grows

    by danowen

    Amanda Holden on Britain's Got Talent. Dannii Minogue on X Factor. He axed Sharon Osbourne and replaced her with Cheryl Cole on X Factor. And now Kara DioGuardi on Idol? That man has it made. Seriously, I'm surprised American Idol hasn't been "revamped" years ago. Cowell's constantly pushing the format of X Factor in the UK (new rules, new judges), but things just seem to bubble along in the US. I still don't understand why Paula Abdul hasn't been axed, though. She's awful. And that "dog"-obsessed guy isn't much better. Hopefully DioGuardi will bring something new to the show.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 12:26 p.m. CST

    I'll take who gives a crap for $200 Alex

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Revamp

    by jsm1978

    Probably didn't do it before because the Network was worried about messing with the Golden Goose.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 12:31 p.m. CST

    SOMEWHERE, BRIAN DUNKLEMAN IS WISHING AIDS UPON RYAN SEACREST

    by Shia LaBeoufs Uncle

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 12:34 p.m. CST

    I thought the reason why they had an odd number

    by jim

    of judges was so someone "moving on" was a majority (2 out of 3 sayng "yes"). What happens when 2 say "yes" and 2 say "no"? Does Seacrest then get a vote? I guess not knowing how it will work is due to me never having watched Canadian Idol (they use 4 judges).

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Perhaps they are planning for Paula or Simon to leave?

    by Mahaloth

    Isn't this the last season for Simon?

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 12:37 p.m. CST

    I had to look up who Brian Dunkleman is

    by jim

    But I guess that's the point.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 12:38 p.m. CST

    My first thought after seeing the headline

    by waggy

    was that the new judge would be a precocious young child. Maybe next season if ratings (not to mention album sales) don't pick up.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Big Jim...

    by hillvalley

    The judges don't determine the fates of the contestants, they just offer their opinions. The home audience ultimately votes for who gets to "move on". I hate myself for knowing this. And Danowen, as long as people drive slow on the highway to check out car accidents, Paula's job is secure.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Not Cool.

    by GrandMuffTarkin

    This may be "America's #1 TV Show," but if there is anything that defines "Not Cool", this brainfart of a show is it. Next, you'll be reporting in on that crapfest, America's Got Talent.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 12:55 p.m. CST

    hillvalley, don't get too down on yourself for knowing

    by jim

    that. Take pride in the fact that you didn't know the judges do have a say at the beginning of the season. The travel to different towns auditioning the wannabees and humilitating the talentless. Good times!

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Actually Big Jim and Hillvalley...

    by nomihs

    The judges don't have as much to say at the beginning either. Check out the disclaimers at the end of each episode about producers of the show having their say as well. It's all a bunch of gobbleygook.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 1:22 p.m. CST

    How exciting!

    by Coenbro

    This reminds me of the Simpsons episode when a new Malibu Stacy doll is released with a new hat. It the same old crap, but everyone is excited. "But she's got a new hat!"

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Irony Alert!

    by Candyman74

    "Rip-offs of AI on other netwroks getting 5th judges as a result?" Irony, you have a name. Y'see, American Idol is a rip-off of Pop Idol. Pop Idol's sequel, The X Factor has had four judges for the last two years. AI is the ripoff copying its rivals, not the other way around. It's also far inferior to the X Factor.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 1:27 p.m. CST

    American Idol:

    by Roy Neary

    perpetuating the mediocrity that is popular music today.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Haha, Coenbro sounds like a cheap beer, like Meisterbrau.

    by nomihs

    I know it's an "I love you" to those fantastic brothers, so no disrespect. It just made me think of the name of beer used in Critters 2. <p> There is a point to me talking about Coenbro and that is that I agree with you. The ratings, albeit still strong, are showing age and are starting to look like me after seeing an old picture of Rosanne, flacid as a piece of cooked spaghetti. <p> "LET'S SPICE IT UP AND ADD A NEW JUDGE." Fox is going to beat that dying horse long past it's expiration date. Side note: Just watched the documentary OUTFOXED and that confirms to me that they (meaning Mr. Murdoch and co.) are just out of touch with the real world.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 1:35 p.m. CST

    AINT IT COOL NEWS? NOT A FUCKING CHANCE!

    by theredtoad

    American Idol gets a new judge, doesn't gain a new viewer in the process.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 1:40 p.m. CST

    TWO Yeses and TWO nos = 'uhhhhhh'

    by ArcadianDS

    So Im assuming that you now need 3 yes votes to got to Hollywood, dog?

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Noooo!

    by Xaximus

    I like American Idol, so sue me. 4 judges is a bad idea, as seen on Canadian Idol. Why not just give that moronic diva, Paula Abdul, the boot already? They should've dumped that useless twat years ago.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 1:58 p.m. CST

    won't it have to be 5 judges?

    by smackfu

    To avoid tie votes?

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 2:07 p.m. CST

    The majority of the people she writes for are pop garbage

    by Shut the Fuck up Donny

    but then I realized that's all American Idol is, so I guess it's alright.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 2:18 p.m. CST

    In case of a tie

    by indyjonez100

    they shoot the contestant, there that settles it, NEXT!

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Mahaloth it's in case Paula has another "episode" on air

    by indyjonez100

    then they can quietly have her exit and they'll still have three judges.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Grammaton Cleric Binks thanks for the laugh

    by indyjonez100

    and when will we see the spin off? every successful show has one (sarcasm meter explodes in background)

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 2:26 p.m. CST

    My friend auditioned for American Idol

    by kentrel

    Did you know that people go through 2 or 3 panels of judges before they make it on TV in front of Simon? So, its obvious the bad singers are put in there on purpose, though they try to make it seem like they just showed up at the audition. The first auditions are usually done a month or two before the TV auditions. Whenever you see Simon or any of the judges act incredulously when some joker tries to audition its all faked, as if you didn't know it. Every single crackpot you've seen on the show has been approved by 2 or 3 groups of judges and producers beforehand. We laugh at the really terrible singers, but after being approved by 3 panels of judges, and given a couple of months to prepare no wonder they think they're hot shit when they show up. They just don't realise that they're there to fill a quota for entertainment purposes, and they find that out the hard way. My friend didn't make it by the way, and they turned away some really talented singers in favor as often as they accepted crazy outrageous people.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Oxymoronic. Also, non oxy-

    by Napoleon Park

    Anything to do with "American Version of British Hit Music Show" is is diametric and polar opposition with anything remotely to do with Cool. It's thinking like that what causes unrest.<p>Ban this article, redact this article, disavow this article,. Send it to the land where serialized juvenile novels go to fail.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Dr. Dre?

    by Scooter McGavin

    Take out Dr. Dre and her writing resume reads like the soundtrack in Hell.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Who cares!?!?

    by Banzai Rootskibango

    I DON'T!

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Ain't it Gay News for Fags

    by James_O'Nasty

    What the hell is this?

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 3:06 p.m. CST

    They did not change the format before

    by hst666

    Because the money was rolling in.<p><p> While last year was successful, it was the first season to have a substantial drop in ratings - I believe, someone can correct me if I am wrong. I don't watch, but I read an article about 2/3 the way through last season commenting on the drop in audience.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 3:37 p.m. CST

    4 judges is the international Idol standard

    by rockgolf

    They only started with 3 in the States because no one was willing to be a talent scout in a sure-to-fail summer replacement series. (Remember, when it came out Paula was the ONLY familiar face on the show, and she hadn't had a hit in ten years!) <br> Bonus trivia: Kara DioGuardi and Paula Abdul were co-writers on Kylie Minogue's 2000 hit "Spinning Around" which hit #1 UK and did well in most of the world outside the US. (In fact, Abdul's writing credit helped her nail the judge's position in the beginning.)

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 3:39 p.m. CST

    I guess I'm the only one who cares.

    by Lenny Nero

    And yes, anyone who knows about the show and watches it with any real regularity knows that Simon/Paula/Randy are not the first round of audition judging. <p>And the show isn't a rip-off of Pop Idol: it IS Pop Idol.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Last Season already reversed the Ratings Erosion...

    by Mr. Profit

    It was a high rated season because they let the contestants play instruments. It also had a talented top 2 and the Rock singer actually won for a change. I guess this is just a pre-emptive strike to change up the show a little bit. It also adds a credible song writer who can actually write a decent Idol finale song. By judging the kids week after week and seeing their progress she can easily write better songs fitted for them. Look at David Cook, he was saddled with a song that didn't suit him, eventhough he sang different types of rock music during the competition.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 4:38 p.m. CST

    "America’s number-one TV series ..."

    by sonnyhooper

    ....that right there is enough to make me weep for this country and what it has become.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Once again, I must say...

    by Lenny Nero

    ...that American Idol is a pretty top-notch show for what it is, and if one is to weep for this country, weep for shit like "According To Jim" or "WifeSwap" or even the beating of a dead horse that is the three CSI shows. It's a singing competition. Nothing more and nothing less. It's hardly harmful.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 6:17 p.m. CST

    America, please stop watching this dung.

    by DarthCorleone

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Happy

    by NudeandAroused

    I am happy to say that I don't watch a single episode of this at all.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 7:29 p.m. CST

    She writes pop garbage

    by EyeofPolyphemus

    But most of AI singers are pop garbage, so it fits.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 8:04 p.m. CST

    americas #1 crap fest

    by slkboxrman

    as i posted on comingsoon.net about this, and btw they have had the FAST AND FURIOUS teaser up for about 6hrs already. good job AICN....anyways as i posted on there, i dont watch this, i dont care, but ask anyone and theyll tell u its a clear panic move...the shows ratings have been plummeting for 2 seasons, no one takes it seriously anymore, most of the "winners" do nothing, the runner ups have the most success of anyone.....even tho the same idiots that re-elected george bush apparently still watch this show, how long before they become bored and stop watching...cant keep adding judges...i will throw a party the day fox cancels this crapfest

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Copying Australia?

    by WallyWonka75

    We had 4 judges last year, back to 3 this year though as it apparently "didn't work"

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 12:40 a.m. CST

    First 2 weeks of "Idol" is the funniest stuff on TV

    by TallBoy66

    the auditions with the freaks = gold. You know it to be true, that's why you watch it when it starts (which I do) and tune out the second it becomes a prefab reality show contest (which I also do). Still, those auditions are genius. Better than any Office or South Park episode. Period.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 5:44 a.m. CST

    Everything that's got the Fox Brand on is Bullshit :

    by PTSDPete

    These irascible, hateful neocon bigots would trample on practically anything of taste in their disgust for the Middle East and freedom - including Watchmen. At least the Taliban and like-minded puritanical bastards are into prohibiting ALL entertainment; not forcibly stuffing down knowingly NOXIOUS ones into our minds into flipping us the middle finger sign. Bar none, NewsCorp is the worst afterbirth of the George W. Bush regime.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 9:24 a.m. CST

    Could there be a shittier list of musical acts than what she's w

    by Mister Pink

    What a who's who of musical garbage.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 11:39 a.m. CST

    The viewers are who re-elected Bush?

    by Lenny Nero

    The thing about American Idol that I find kind of brilliant is that it completely crosses cultural and generational boundaries. Every state watches this show equally, all ages, all nationalities, and doesn't even seem to deal with demographics at all. It's a powerhouse that anybody can watch. <p>Not even some hit series like "Friends" (which I, btw, despised) could do this, as they were pretty much focused on Gen-X.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 2 p.m. CST

    slkboxrman

    by Mr. Profit

    The finale of last season was the 3rd highest rated in the show's 7 seasons. The ratings are not plummetting. That happened in season 6. Season 7 corrected the audience erosion. And now season 8 is trying to mix it up more. And even on a badly rated day, Idol still gets ridiculously high ratings. Finally, I hate George W Bush and did not vote for him either time and I watch this show.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Ain't It Gay News?

    by The Alienist

    Cause the only people who watch American Idol are gay men. Which, apparently gives America a population dominated by fags. A gay majority. Who knew? Grow up, ya homophobic geek.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 2:23 p.m. CST

    America's #1 TV Show?

    by DarthFloyd

    No wonder the terrorists hate us!

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 4:51 p.m. CST

    President Bush, please attack Europe

    by Chief Joseph

    These reality shows that are being born out of Europe HAVE TO STOP!!<br> You people are making the USA into a braindead hell!<br> I apologize on behalf of the USA for giving you guys Baywatch, so stop creating these "shite" reality shows for us!

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Lenny Nero

    by sonnyhooper

    i didn't mean to suggest that there wasn't other stuff that was just as crappy or even more crappy on TV. just think that the fact that america is still entranced in this little "singing contest" is sad. granted i admit that your reasons for liking it are valid. but i do have to ask you. do you honestly think that if......say, a young bob dylan or john lennon was to enter this glorified karakoe contest would they be the new "american idol"? somehow i doubt it. and thats the problem i have with it, america is basically sucking on a tit full of silicone when it nurses itself of this shit.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 5:38 p.m. CST

    Sonny, of course...

    by Lenny Nero

    ...there is very little chance that great music could come out of the show. But some good music does as far as mainstream pop, as I'd sooner listen to Kelly Clarkson (and hopefully David Cook) more than most of what America craps out for me. At least I get to choose what crap gets puts on the airwaves. <p>The show is also a celebration of the greatest music in America's history, because if you can't get that specific person to do it, you might as well have some other great singer pay homage. <p>It's about music, and I have no problem with that. People who don't watch the show usually don't understand, but if you latch onto a true talent early on and watch them progress, it's more exciting than most shows on network television.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 9:11 p.m. CST

    maybe so, lenny...

    by sonnyhooper

    ...i must admit i've never watched a full season of the show. and i would suspect if you do "pick a horse" early and get invested, it's probably compelling to watch. <p> all i know is that the few times i tried to watch a single episode, i felt like i was dying a little inside. at one point, that lounge act guy with the salt and pepper hair was butchering a beatle song and that was it, i was done. <p> so until we get an "american idol" that looks, sounds and writes his/or her own music as well as....lets say.... tom waits, i'm gonna call this show as i see it: a hype machine for the lowest common denominator in the music industry.

  • Aug. 27, 2008, 12:40 a.m. CST

    mr.profit

    by slkboxrman

    one good season finale does not change the fact that there is a distinct drop in the ratings....and the only time a show decides to mix it up to this degree....ala getting a hot chick to fill a seat so the horny male teens watch the show is sad for a show claiming to be "americas # 1 show" honestly they should deep-six all these lame "talent" shows.....idol, americas got talent, dancing with the stars, etc, etc, etc.....the list goes on and on....when someone other than kelly clarkson has "major" success then u can tell me how this show is relevant ...and dont tell me about that country chick whos name escapes me, country is not mainstream music....

  • Aug. 27, 2008, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Bro, ain't never gonna be...

    by Lenny Nero

    ...another Tom Waits. <p>And "American Idol" isn't the lowest common denominator. I would say that's the mainstream pop people who can't actually sing at all. At least people on Idol, for the most part, are musically trained and can actually carry a tune. <p>But fair enough, hating Taylor Hicks is plenty reason to not watch season 5. Let's see how season 8 does.

  • Aug. 27, 2008, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Slkboxrman...

    by Lenny Nero

    Unfortunately, country IS, in fact, mainstream music. Technically, though, Carrie Underwood is pop infused with country.

  • Aug. 27, 2008, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Canaidan Idol

    by Quizzy

    Canadian Idol always had 4 judges.

  • Aug. 27, 2008, 3:33 p.m. CST

    agreed lenny....

    by sonnyhooper

    .....waits is one of a kind. i'm just trying to give you the other side, by at least giving you something a bit more in depth than the typical, "idol sux" reply. <p> and what i mean by saying "lowest common denominator" is that idol speaks to the worst element of the music business. in that it tries to pre-package the product and sell it on "their" terms. <p> as a music fan and musician i just think that as far as important music goes, even important POP music for that matter, it's always better to give the people what the NEED, not what they WANT.

  • Aug. 27, 2008, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Soulfully singing someone else's words

    by Larry Sellers

    How about a show where someone's creativity is judged as opposed to talent? You know, like how music used to be produced? Creatively?

  • Aug. 27, 2008, 4:13 p.m. CST

    country

    by Larry Sellers

    Most modern country is deeply infused with pop. Subtract the phony kicker accents and you wouldn't know the difference.