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Peking Olympics Gets Bigger U.S. Ratings Than Anything Ever!!
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Some 86 percent of every TV household in the United States were tuned to the Olympics this year.
That's more viewers than “Roots,” the “M*A*S*H” Finale and Neil Armstrong’s walk on the moon!
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BEIJING OLYMPICS BECOME MOST-VIEWED EVENT IN U.S. TV HISTORY
211 MILLION WATCH BEIJING GAMES ON NBC UNIVERSAL THROUGH 16 DAYS, SURPASSING THE ATLANTA GAMES’ 209 MILLION
86 Million Watch on NBC Universal’s Cable Nets ; 86% of All U.S. TV Households Have Tuned In
NEW YORK –Aug. 24, 2008 –Through 16 days, NBC Universal's Beijing Olympic coverage has reached 211 million viewers and has been viewed by more Americans than any event in U.S. television history, according to data provided by Nielsen Media Research. The Beijing Games have surpassed the 1996 Atlanta Games, which were viewed by 209 million Americans. The 211 million viewers are 11 million more than the first 16 days for Athens (200 million) and 5 million more than the Atlanta Games (206 million). NBCU's cable networks through 16 days have already reached 86 million, surpassing the 17-day viewership total for any previous Olympics.
MOST VIEWED EVENTS IN U.S. TV HISTORY:
1. 2008 Beijing Summer Olympics, 211 million (*through 16 days)
2. 1996 Atlanta Summer Olympics, 209 million (17 days)
3. 1994 Lillehammer Winter Olympics, 204 million (16 days)
4 . 2004 Athens Summer Olympics, 203 million (17 days)
5. 1988 Seoul Summer Olympics, 194 million (17 days)
• The Beijing Olympic 16-day average primetime viewership is 27.7 million, 11 percent ahead of Athens in 2004 (24.9 million). NBC's average of a 16.2 rating, 28 share is the best through the final Saturday for a Summer Olympics outside the U.S. since Barcelona in 1992 (17.3/33), and is a seven percent jump from Athens in 2004 (15.2/27).
• Saturday night garnered 43 million total viewers in primetime and 16.5 million average viewers. The night earned a 10.2 rating/19 share. The comparable night in Athens did an 11.1 rating/21 share and averaged 18.0 million viewers.
BEIJING GAMES BOOST NBC UNIVERSAL'S CABLE NETS:
Through 16 days, 86 million have watched the coverage on NBC Universal's cable networks, a 25 percent gain from the first 16 days of the Athens Games (69 million) and more than the 17-day total viewership for any previous Olympics (Athens, 69 million).
TAMi FOR FRIDAY: The TAMi (Total Audience Measurement Index) measures the 3600 hours of programming during the 2008 Beijing Olympics, including Television (P2+ reach), Online (Unique Users), Mobile (WAP unique users and Mobile VOD unique users) and TV VOD (unique users). Below is the TAMi measurement through Friday, Aug. 22:
Friday, August 22: 79.8 million
TV: 73.3 million, ONLINE 6.1 million, Mobile 421k, TV VOD: n/a
Thursday, Aug. 21: 87.7 million
Wednesday, Aug. 20: 91.2 million
Tuesday, Aug. 19: 95.5 million
Monday, Aug. 18: 94.4 million
Sunday, Aug. 17: 107.4 million
Saturday, Aug. 16: 108.0 million
Friday, Aug. 15: 95.1 million
Thursday, Aug. 14: 101.6 million
Wednesday, Aug. 13: 101.0 million
Tuesday, Aug. 12: 105.1 million
Monday, Aug. 11: 103.2 million
Sunday, Aug. 10: 113.1 million
Saturday, Aug. 9: 97.8 million
Friday, Aug. 8: 74.6 million
NBC Universal, broadcasting its record 11th Olympics and surpassing ABC for the most Olympics broadcast by any network, is presenting an unprecedented 3,600 hours of Beijing Olympic Games coverage, the most ambitious single media project in history featuring the most live coverage (nearly 2,900 live hours in total), across the most platforms, of any Summer Olympics in history.
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BEIJING OLYMPICS BECOME MOST-VIEWED EVENT IN U.S. TV HISTORY
211 MILLION WATCH BEIJING GAMES ON NBC UNIVERSAL THROUGH 16 DAYS, SURPASSING THE ATLANTA GAMES’ 209 MILLION
86 Million Watch on NBC Universal’s Cable Nets ; 86% of All U.S. TV Households Have Tuned In
NEW YORK –Aug. 24, 2008 –Through 16 days, NBC Universal's Beijing Olympic coverage has reached 211 million viewers and has been viewed by more Americans than any event in U.S. television history, according to data provided by Nielsen Media Research. The Beijing Games have surpassed the 1996 Atlanta Games, which were viewed by 209 million Americans. The 211 million viewers are 11 million more than the first 16 days for Athens (200 million) and 5 million more than the Atlanta Games (206 million). NBCU's cable networks through 16 days have already reached 86 million, surpassing the 17-day viewership total for any previous Olympics.
MOST VIEWED EVENTS IN U.S. TV HISTORY:
1. 2008 Beijing Summer Olympics, 211 million (*through 16 days)
2. 1996 Atlanta Summer Olympics, 209 million (17 days)
3. 1994 Lillehammer Winter Olympics, 204 million (16 days)
4 . 2004 Athens Summer Olympics, 203 million (17 days)
5. 1988 Seoul Summer Olympics, 194 million (17 days)
• The Beijing Olympic 16-day average primetime viewership is 27.7 million, 11 percent ahead of Athens in 2004 (24.9 million). NBC's average of a 16.2 rating, 28 share is the best through the final Saturday for a Summer Olympics outside the U.S. since Barcelona in 1992 (17.3/33), and is a seven percent jump from Athens in 2004 (15.2/27).
• Saturday night garnered 43 million total viewers in primetime and 16.5 million average viewers. The night earned a 10.2 rating/19 share. The comparable night in Athens did an 11.1 rating/21 share and averaged 18.0 million viewers.
BEIJING GAMES BOOST NBC UNIVERSAL'S CABLE NETS:
Through 16 days, 86 million have watched the coverage on NBC Universal's cable networks, a 25 percent gain from the first 16 days of the Athens Games (69 million) and more than the 17-day total viewership for any previous Olympics (Athens, 69 million).
TAMi FOR FRIDAY: The TAMi (Total Audience Measurement Index) measures the 3600 hours of programming during the 2008 Beijing Olympics, including Television (P2+ reach), Online (Unique Users), Mobile (WAP unique users and Mobile VOD unique users) and TV VOD (unique users). Below is the TAMi measurement through Friday, Aug. 22:
Friday, August 22: 79.8 million
TV: 73.3 million, ONLINE 6.1 million, Mobile 421k, TV VOD: n/a
Thursday, Aug. 21: 87.7 million
Wednesday, Aug. 20: 91.2 million
Tuesday, Aug. 19: 95.5 million
Monday, Aug. 18: 94.4 million
Sunday, Aug. 17: 107.4 million
Saturday, Aug. 16: 108.0 million
Friday, Aug. 15: 95.1 million
Thursday, Aug. 14: 101.6 million
Wednesday, Aug. 13: 101.0 million
Tuesday, Aug. 12: 105.1 million
Monday, Aug. 11: 103.2 million
Sunday, Aug. 10: 113.1 million
Saturday, Aug. 9: 97.8 million
Friday, Aug. 8: 74.6 million
NBC Universal, broadcasting its record 11th Olympics and surpassing ABC for the most Olympics broadcast by any network, is presenting an unprecedented 3,600 hours of Beijing Olympic Games coverage, the most ambitious single media project in history featuring the most live coverage (nearly 2,900 live hours in total), across the most platforms, of any Summer Olympics in history.
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And as Zeppelin fan I really wish I hadn't seen that face-raped version of "Whole Lotta Love" at the end there. Damn, Jimmy... Really? The last time I saw Page sell out that badly he was onstage with Puff Daddy on SNL playing that fucked up Kashmir abortion from the GINO soundtrack.
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could think about was those North Korea communist party stadium rallies. Check this article out from ESPN, which is hammering China moreso than NBC ever will: http://tinyurl.com/5w96xq
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Yes, I'm sure the Chinese government paid off this piddly-ass little movie website to post phony ratings. You guys get dumber by the second.
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bird's nest my ass, somebody flush already!
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not tape delayed everything to the west coast...hope the suits at nbc aint getting swelled heads tho...cuz in 4 years, viewing habits will have totally changed, and people will be more net savy...and the olympics were helped alot by the poor economy...
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That was fun. Looking forward to the Winter Olympics.
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Commentary is the only thing most Olympic athletes are qualified for after their bodies crap out around 25. Ex-Olympians gotta eat.
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...that's all i have to say about their constant bitching....
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And that we should be more like China?
I'll give you a hint: he just chose Biden as his President. I mean, Running Mate. -
...although there were some masterful athletic performances...
Somehow it just feels like it goes against the geek credo to have an athletic event (or chain of events) be rated ahead of an entertainment presentation.
By the way... greatest name of a town in world history... Lillehammer... it has an austere sound to it; but it could also be the name of a porno acctress... -
Absolutely right about the west coast coverage! NBC's Olympic coverage for the west coast was obsurd. When Phelps is going for his record 8th gold, it was roughly 10pm EST which is 7pm PST. So why was it covered live on the east coast? What was the fucking ratings juggernaut that couldn't be postponed at 7pm on a saturday on the west coast? They actually started our delayed coverage in time that they could have at least gone to a live feed for that event but instead we were stuck watching the damned marathon and the previous day's 100m disappointment that was Tyson Gay.
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HUZZAH!!! HUZZAH!! HUZZAH!!!
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Well, its not like a person can criticize China while in China. If you don't get arrested, or silently beaten by the Triads hired by Gov't officials, then they'll just boot your ass out of the country. Rob Riggle with The Daily Show was over there, and did a straight interview with, I believe, the AP. He told them how it was impossible for them to get interviews with any regular citizens - because they would all run in fear when they turned on the camera.
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Please give us a link substantiating your claim.
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Says to me that something is screwy. I mean I don't even know anyone who watches the god damn olympics, yet apparently nearly every time theyre watched by everyone. I'm going to go ahead and state it's manipulation by Nielsen.
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But here's the transcript:
"Everybody's watching what's going on in Beijing right now the Olympics. Think about the amount of money that China has spent on infrastructure. Their ports, their train systems, their airports are all vastly superior to us now, which means if you're a corporation deciding where to do business, you're starting to think, Beijing looks like a pretty good option." -
I feel the same way about Grey's Anatomy. I don't know anyone who watches it yet its a hit show...go figure.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-IvjXnkHwA
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But tell me he doesn't look like he's mentally challenged.
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Couldn't be prouder.
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How weird is that.
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anybody else find it ironic that China, the country that is most oppressive, has given us the best Olympics ever while America, the country that's most close to the olympic Ideal gave us that garbage that was the 84, and 96 olympics? Even Seoul was better than Atlanta and that was in 88! Cowboys on Pickup Trucks? London's double decker neon umbrella shit was laughable too. You better pick that shit up for 2012
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At least the entertainers of the opening ceremony in London won't be slave labor.
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off of the saudi and a pirate chinese feed...right on my computer...oh, and fuck nbc and microsoft for forcing us to download that gawd awful app to watch the feeds on the nbc olympics site...that is the biggest piece of shit ever created...unless you are running vista with 2 gig ram
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is so damn corrupt... at every level. I'm not sure if it's better doing business in Russia where the mafia rule the streets or China. And we can welcome back all that pollution when they restart those factories they shut down and let all those cars back on the road.
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McLovin' on steroids - LMFAO. :)
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We all got secret stashes of homemade stags of some hot Asian ass!!!
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first prez ever...went right there to kiss the asses of the commie bastards, wave his tiny american flag, and gauk at the female beach volley ballers asses...then he sat there like an idiot when georgia went into south ossettia and russia retaliated...it was my pet goat part deux...so obama said something nice about the chinese...i think ill wait till he goes over there and kisses their asses before i get pissed...oh, and its bush's policies that have enriched china, while bankrupting our country...and there again...politics in the olympics rears its ugly head
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Except for Sunday Night Football. Oh and Knight Rider.
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which god knows, we need to do...but of course, he is off on why corporations want to do biz in china...they can get away with murder there...i hear at the hooters you can grab the chinese waitresses tiny tits and they have to smile and say thank you
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Next up Michael Phelps in Swimkata: He'll beat you witin an inch in 1/100th of a second.
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The policies are continuations of those started in the Clinton Administration. Not that that's any kind of excuse.
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I would never vote for a man who wouldn't check out the asses of those two volleyballers. They were hot! He showed superhuman resolve in not smacking their asses. Imagine what clinton would have done!
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Aug 24, 2008 10:26:05 PM CDT
That simply calls for "China Olympics II: The Wrath of Phelps"
by xoanontorn
Or not
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But Obama did officially come out in favor of an infrastructure that prides itself more on national image than feeding its people/slave labor.
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...was to celebrate the Olympic Games.
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the Olympics and Roots is that Roots had all the viewers tuning in at the same time. The Olympics were able to add up all of their viewers over the span of a couple of weeks. Not exactly fair to compare them is it?
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I was confused when watching TV too..I live in Quebec
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But look what it was up against. Here in LA, we had repeats of Two and a Half Men, Extreme Makeover Home Edition, and Extra. Seriously, the Olympics were a nice change of pace from the mandatory entertainment shows no-one here really cares about but are all forced to watch. I am sure MASH would have gotten spectacular ratings too, if it were going up against it's toughest challenger in the form of a lifetime movie. So, a little perspective I guess is in order. If that writers strike hadn't happened, I think the ratings would have been different.
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HAHAHA, good one!!!
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"The Beijing Olympic 16-day average primetime viewership is 27.7 million"
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...never let anyone use their music for ANYTHING! And then Jimmy Page lets Puff Doody mangle Kashmir. Then he shows up and lets some bitch mangle "Whole Lotta Love" in his presence.
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...China, no fancy arena, no tens of thousands of little asians running around in power ranger suits...it's simple...
Start off with a cheap-o high school style stage and then have it explode! Then Led Zeppelin rise up slowly (cuz, they're old) and start rockin' that shit! With slow-motion fireballs in the background! Damn I would watch that. -
OK, I read your original post in which you said Obama said China was "great" and we should "be more like China". Yet, the video clip you posted has Obama saying that China has invested a ton of money in infrastructure to the point that it is now superior to ours, and suggesting we should also be investing more in infrastructure.
How exactly is that saying China as a whole is "great"? Are you suggesting that we can't possibly look at things other countries do and compare it to what we do, and wonder why we aren't putting the same focus on it.
And I mean, we're talking about infrastructure here. Roads, bridges, highways, etc. that are vital to our operation as a country. This is hardly some commie/socialist issue or something, and it's hardly a new issue either; it was a major topic of discussion after the Minnesota Bridge Collapse. Plenty of people from all political stripes have suggested we're making a major mistake in not investing more in improving and maintaining our infrastructure.
So seriously, instead of seeing something and going "OMG!?!?!?!!??! HE SAID SOMETHING POSITIVE ABOUT SOMETHING RELATED TO CHINA?!?!? HE MUST THINK EVERYTHING ABOUT CHINA IS GREAT AND WE SHOULD BECOME COMMUNIST WORKER'S PARADISE", you might want to actually consider the point being made and debate that.
Don't think we should invest more in infrastructure? Fine. Then say that. Say "Obama is such a damned fool, wants us to spend more on infrastructure.". But why make yourself look to be ignorant by making a statement that seems to show a fundamental lack of understanding of even a 27 second YouTube video clip? -
...Led Zeppelin could rock so hard they would make Obama's head explode!
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Everybody watched M*A*S*H and Roots AT THE SAME TIME.
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a mistake, a troll or an attempt at humor? You decide...
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wouldn't this be like adding up the numbers for the Republican and Democratic primary debates, and the general election debates and then calling "The Debates" the number one show on TV?
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Geez, everything just has to have a superfluous superlative headline nowadays just to be reported. Especially an erroneous one. Hell, if they're going to count that, an entire season of a TV series should be counted as an "event" as well. This is as bad as those commercials trumpeting The Mummy 3 as the "Number 1 movie in the world!"
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The Chinese spent 40 billion of an economy 1/6 the size of ours. 1.5 million were forcibly relocated in order to do the work. China suspended reconstruction in the ruined Szechuan province where the massive earthquake was in order to rebuild Beijing. Factories surrounding the area were ordered to close 2 months before the olympics and 1 million cars were ordered off the road in order to clear the air of it's horrible pollution. There is absolutely nothing about China that the US should try to emulate. Although, imagine how our economy were to boom if we had no environmental regulation, no wage laws, no OSHA, no drilling regulations, or no ability to oppose big business in any way.
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...you use common sense well.
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Wouldn't surprise me.
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sorry, stupid i know, but i couldn't resist.
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I will give the Chinese all the props for putting on an amazing show. but I can't help but wonder if they did it at the expense of the Chinese people. I wonder what Beijing will look like a year from now. Will the Birds Nest or the Water Cube still even be in use.
This was a once in a lifetime Olympics, since I doubt any other country in my time will be able to spend even a fraction of the money or the manpower the Chinese did. -
Just the first 2 lines:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beijing
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Aug 24, 2008 11:48:14 PM CDT
I demand to see the ratings' birth certificates...
by banzai rootskibango
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IIRc, the Japanese were still calling it Peking the last time I was in Japan.
You just can't expect everyone to call your place "Mumbai" or "Myanmar" or whatever just because you tell people to.
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Are the people who run this site idiots? The Wade-Giles spelling officially went out in 1979. Unless, of course, you *intended* to make Americans look like morons... in which case, well done.
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The communists renamed it from Peking to Beijing. Fuck the communists. I'll call it Peking.
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but he never went to a foreign olympics..and for good reason...bush looked like a tool...
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...that the medal tables on US TV show you guys at the top with China second...tell me it aint so !!!!
The UK intro to 2012 was an embarrassment. I have nothing against them but , using an old Rocker and an X Factor winner to promote the games ...wtf!!! The confused arseholeship which was the London display was only saved by Beckham kicking a football. We really haven't got a clue. -
I guess the appeal of watching Fap-worthy underage asian gymnasts was just too much, eh Harry?
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My condolences. They shoulda used Billy Piper. David Tennant should have gotten off of the bus. Well, I would have liked it...
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Did you see the interview after they won the gold medal when Misty May-Treanor and Kerri Walsh gave a shout out to President Bush for being such a great inspiration? I bet they did it just to fry you.
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On a slightly geeky note wouldn't it be good if they got Tenant to light the olympic flame, as he did in "Fear Her". Now that would be cool.
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That would be great. I am in favor of a tardis themed olympics.
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Aug 25, 2008 12:37:12 AM CDT
FUCK YOU MASH FINALE! YOU FINALLY GOT WHAT WAS COMING TO YOU!
by lordenigma
It's about damn time something surpassed that smaltzy finale. ALL HAIL A BITCHIN OLYMPICS FOR STICKIN THE LANDING!
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I take my position from directly what Obama said, not what I think he meant.
"Think about how much money China has spent on infrastructure."
-At the expense of their people.
What gets me is when he asks, "why aren't we doing the same thing?"
In no way should we EVER try to emulate China. How is it that bleeding heart liberals are blind to the human rights violations of the ChiComs? But it probably only happens when it goes against what their Messiah is saying.
Sure, it would be great if we could put more money into our infrastructure. But not to the extent that the Chinese have done. Everything that Obama knows about China, he watched on the Olympics. He has a lovely little image that the Chinese government controlled media has placed in his head. -
you know it's right!
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Some of the Michael Bay's additions to the Olympics.
1. All the sports will be changed to match this title scheme: AWESOME Swimming, AWESOME Gymnastics, AWESOME Rowing, AWESOME Beach Volleyball, and AWESOME Equestrian.
2. Simple things will be replaced with HUGE explosions. The starting blocks will explode after the swimmers dive off them. The gymnastics bars will flame and spark. The river on which the rowers race will be ON FIRE. The volleyball in Beach Volleyball will be a ticking time bomb. The horses will EXPLODE in the Equestrian events.
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"I take my position from directly what Obama said, not what I think he meant."
He explained what he meant, but you choose to ignore it. Why? Ignorance, or whatever people like you get up and eat for breakfast.
"'Think about how much money China has spent on infrastructure.'
-At the expense of their people."
Motherfucker; did you miss the part where a bridge collapsed in Minneapolis and killed people? THAT'S AN EXPENSE AS FUCKING WELL, BUT YOU IGNORE THIS FACT. You act like those people never died. When in fact it was Republican policies that led to the expense of those peoples' lives.
"What gets me is when he asks, 'why aren't we doing the same thing?'"
We are arrogant and think we have nothing to gain from the world's OLDEST CULTURE. Seriously; you need to pay more attention.
"In no way should we EVER try to emulate China. How is it that bleeding heart liberals are blind to the human rights violations of the ChiComs?"
What does infastructure have to do with human rights violations? Oh yeah bright boy... ever heard or read about GITMO? Ever heard or read about all of those SECRET DETAINEE FACILITIES through out the world? We are not exactly leading the way in human rights these days buck-o.
"But it probably only happens when it goes against what their Messiah is saying."
Read this twice you stupid cunt because people like you really need a kick to the larnyx. WE WANT TO BELIEVE IN THIS COUNTRY BEING AWESOME AGAIN! BEING SOMETHING MORE and we found a guy who could make it happen, and you give us shit for it? Really? Fuck you. Fuck you and everyone who thinks like you.
It does not make you evil. It does not make you scum. It only makes you cynical enough and dull enough not to get that people want to see this country stand for what it should stand for again. Unlike what it stands for now: shitty economy, turning into a police state, and so on and so forth.
"Sure, it would be great if we could put more money into our infrastructure. But not to the extent that the Chinese have done."
YES WE SHOULD! Do you know what makes this country move? THE FUCKING INFRASTRUCTURE? You know why every fucking disaster movie is bullshit? IT UNDER-ESTIMATES THIS COUNTRY'S INFRASTRUCTURE! If we do not sustain, make it stronger, and keep the trains and trucks rolling. We might as will give up on being a super power, because it's that infrastructure that got us to where we were before BUSH DEUCE in the first place.
"Everything that Obama knows about China, he watched on the Olympics."
No; that would be GEORGE DEUCE. Obama is a man of the WORLD not just the US. This is why he scares you because he's not one of US. When really the brother represents everything that's good about US you dipshit motherfucker.
"He has a lovely little image that the Chinese government controlled media has placed in his head."
Again, no, the man has been all over this world. He has some understanding -- like most people who pay attention -- that the Chinese are fucked in a lot of aspects of their current political environment. This does not change the fact that they spent 40 billion dollars to make their capital city a WORLD CAPITAL. If you do not get that simple fact. You are a tired as Republican, and there's no place for your thinking in the 21st century. -
Guess it didn't turn out as good as Herc thought it would be. To me, nothing ever seemed to happen. Or it was entirely too slow paced.
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Wow, you sure do have to curse a lot to make your point. It's funny, you seem to have a great respect for China, yet a lack of respect for America, which you feel is becoming a police state. I make you a challenge: You have ripped on our government pretty thoroughly. Travel to China, log on and try to rip on their government for Tienanman square and see what happens. If you think our "secret detainee facilities" are bad, let us know how theirs are. Your moral relativism is foolish. Yes, their culture is old and should be respected. I just hope that their vile and corrupt government falls soon so that they may become a great and proud country again. They spent 40 billion in one city to improve it. their economy is 1/6 of ours. If the olympics had been in, say Denver, would you have approved of Bush spending 240 billion to fix it up? I made an earlier post with further comments. Please look at it and tell me what you respect so much about China.
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the games were a huge wlwphant in the room, but they put you in jail for stating the obvious - thier fake smiles and passive anger doesn't fool anyone.
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If an American says: "China sure did a pretty good job building stuff. We should build some shit too, before they school us at every territory", it actually means "I hate America, we should be more like the Chinese Totalitarian Government! BLAARRGH!". I don't know, is this "freedom fries patriotism" or some of you guys really make an effort to miss a point?
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the Olympics was on for over two weeks. It's apples and oranges folks.
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They mentioned at the end there, I think they meant slaves.
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We were at the bar last night, watching the closing ceremonies, and it was spectacular. The were a thousand drummers drumming, totally breathtaking, and they all got payed a dollar.
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Usually the medal table is ordered by the number of golds won. But I heard that when China started to run away with it and was looking uncatchable, the US unilaterally changed the system to total number of medals won so it's at the top! Is that actually true?
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Aug 25, 2008 8:07:28 AM CDT
PirateEmery, I almost got fired because of you
by shut the fuck up donny
I was laughing so hard at your vision of the Baylimpics, the judge I work for had to come in and tell me to keep it down (as he was on a conference call). It doesn't matter though. It was totally worth it.
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Aug 25, 2008 8:26:37 AM CDT
I am sure if Obama said the Chinese have nice fireworks
by toadkillerdog
Someone would immediately interpret that as saying he was giving them too much credit (even though they invented fireworks) and should be applauding American fireworks instead. He said the infrastructure was good. Infrastructure. Not the political structure. Would you have felt better if we had boycotted the Olympics?
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McCain will go to war with China for a hundred years to get those fireworks from those Chinese bastards. If McCain doesn't, then he stands for Chinese slavery.
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We can not let Chinese superiority in fireworks stand! War!!!!
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hands of the Chinese hate America. Plain and simple.
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honestly, supposed ratings aside, who watches the olympics ? i dont know anyone that does... who cares ? i dont care about that swimmer dude or the nba guys that are over there...its a long boring event every 4 yrs .......oh and on the obama thing.....pickin the old white dude officially sinks his shot at being president....get ready for 4 more years crappy bush like republican...maybe he'll die of old age quickly , lets hope so
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I mean, what other country has a Fourth of July! We invented fouth of July. If it was not for America, the damn calendar would not even HAVE a fourth of July! It would Be July 1,2,3 - 5! Fourth of July is Fireworks! Fourth of July is Amurrican! Fireworks is Amurrican! Chinese aint Amurricans! Those is OUR fireworks! And anybody who says they aint can kiss it! War!
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to compare the finale of mash with the grand total of all the olympics. You're talking one night vs. like two weeks.
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Methinks their claims are a little specious.
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as part of Sensasation series owned by Lord satchi. The painting in question is of Myra Hindley the moors murderer. It has stood there since 1997. Fast forward 11 years later and london has just been handed the olympic games for 2012. visit london shot a video encapsulating all that great things that modern london had offer culturally and so on. In this video which was 3-4 mins long and 3/4 years old there was a brief clip of The hand print protrait of Myra Hindley. the reaction was volcanic fury. The govt said whoever included it should be fired and london mayors office called the inclusion disgusting. In 2005 london was awarded the games. the hindley protrait has been on dispay since 1997. Why the anger now?
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Obama was specifically talking about how Bejing was 'green' for the Olympics and how they are a model for how American cities should focus on improving their own environment, and that Americans wonder why the can accomplish that in China and not here.
Meanwhile, all exterior shots of the city were 100% CGI because the smog and pollution was so thick over the Olympics, that all the shots would look like cut action scenes from Backdraft.
China managed to reduce its pollution by sending military troops to every factory and industrial site in the city and barracading the doors shut for the duration of the Olympic Games. And even STILL, you couldn't see 50 feet in any direction because the city is buried under its own cloud of pollutants.
Obama: because the biggest change we need is to change the facts in order to win an election. Oh and yeah, Biden is what - the 3rd longest sitting representative in Washington? That's some crazy kind of change going on with that ticket right there. -
The only time I read the sports section in the newspaper.
Man I miss it already. Usain Bolt and Jamaica in general - Holy Fuck that was unbelievable. Plus I liked getting up early every day to catch up on all kinds of mad shit. I mean, dressage, what the fuck is that all about? Horses hopping about, fuck me I thought I was tripping watching that
Dunno about in the states but the BBC coverage was excellent, Michael Johnson, best pundit on TV. Everyone bangs on about Phelps but goddamn that Michael Johnson held onto that 200m record for like 12 years. And he has to come over to the UK to work, you Americans need to nsort yourselves out, the guy's a fucking legend
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That whole London section was so embarassingly bad that the Myra Hindley thing was just one small part of the nightmare. Thing looked like it was directed by Alan Partridge. Did you see the bit where everyone tries to push onto the bus, climbing right over the guy in the wheelchair?? I was pissing myself laughing. Come to London, we're a bunch of cunts
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You seem to find my opinion very offensive... Kick to the larynx, etc...
You know what would have been a better thing to put their money into than infrastructure? Sturdy housing... such that when an earthquake comes along 70,000 people don't die. You know how many people died from the Bridge collapse? 13. I feel very sorry for their family's loss, but I'd take 13 over 70,000 any day.
"You are a tired as Republican, and there's no place for your thinking in the 21st century."
Wow... you really should try China. They share your outlook on debate and differing opinions.
Seriously, go back and read through redshirt's posts. He's brilliant and explains this stuff much better than I ever can. Which possibly explains why there are more posts ripping me than him: because you can't possibly discount anything he brings up. -
Sorry to hear that, but just know that I think that is AWESOME.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to cook something on my AWESOME barbecue. AWESOME! -
OK you don't have to pay me that 20 bucks you owe anymore! revokethegames.com
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spent $5M and $6M respectively, on campaign commercials during the Olympics.It's fucking ridiculous that these are the two best candidates.
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Oh shit... I didn't realize 2014 was in Russia...
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Different pronounciation of the same Chinese words
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Aug 25, 2008 12:03:10 PM CDT
Wow, the United States has a massive inferiority complex...
by christopher3
If some of these posts are representative. Why is China's success necessarily indicative of America's failures? What happened to sportsmanship?
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Obama: "You may call it slave labor and fascism...but, to me, it's Mao-watering" (cue the flashing "Laugh or Die" sign). Remember his trip to Germany? ("I don't see any concentration camps, do you see any concentration camps? Let's pretend the whole thing never happened. I love you, Germany"). No wonder this tool will lose in November (and I hollered myself hoarse, earlier this year, at a fundraiser. I thought he was cool). I was hoping that Bush--and other world leaders--would have boycotted the Olympics. But I realized the "hope" was quite futile. So now the Chinese dictators are smugly content that they're wielding an untarnished image.
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They're good, but they're not the second coming of Christ like people treat them. And I'll be the ratings are a result of people tuning in to see Phelps. That, plus the Redeem Team stuff and the gymnastics competition, because everybody heard China was using preteens and wanted to see it for themselves. Damn commies. Games were awesome this year, though. Shame I had to miss most of the baseball and fencing.
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those drummers didn't get paid. they were probably taken from their families at age 3 after showing a primitive drumming talent (ie: tapping the floor or something) then forced to practice their drumming year-round, seeing their families once a year.
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When you've got something on NBC, MSNBC, CNBC and USA chances are people will tune in for a minute or two.
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How'd he end up in Beijing? Guess China must have tossed some underage gymnasts his way or something...
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I'll bet he was banned from the closing ceremony, which was amazing.
Also, it took place in B-E-I-J-I-N-G.
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Let's not forget Telemundo and Universal HD for their contributions.
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Aug 25, 2008 12:46:58 PM CDT
MISTY-MAY TREANOR'S GONNA BE ON DANCING WITH THE STARS
by bringingsexyback
Uh ... way to leverage that Gold win with an appearance on a show for has-beens ... who's the brilliant agent who came up with that idea?
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M*A*S*H finale was a single hour one evening event, right?
The Bejing Olympics were a several-weeks-long event, right?
So how come the two are being measured as far as viewership? If the M*A*S*H finale was a season long episode, then yeah I can see where you'd make that comparison, but otherwise, this is a little bit foolish, right? -
you only think she looks like a bitch because of her russian lineage...the saddest thing about these olympics was watching paige participate in that cheese fest...christ jimmy
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you're just hungry for more after an hour.
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It's like saying the entire season of last years C.S.I. had more viewers than the last episode of MASH. It's true, but that's not a fair way of ranking top ratings.
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Where they thanked the 1 million Chinese "volunteers."
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Don't they have new episodes every week day. 40 years of General Hospital would be the winner I'd assume. Maybe the Today Show then. The Tonight Show.
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There are no triads in Beijing, these gangsters mostly have influence and manpower in the southern parts of China.
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I'm sure they're slaver laborers.
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That was preaty disturbing where they found a link between executed Chinese political prisoners, and the "donated" bodies used in the exhibit that's been traveling around America for the past few years.
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Anyone see this?
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Combining the number of viewers over the period of sixteen days and trying to claim them as one audience is beyond worthless.
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Is that supposed to be funny? Now if you'll excuse me I have t ogo get soem Beijing Duck.
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You just got gobsmacked Great Britain. ROTFL.
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were so cool because they were directed by the Hero, House of Flying Daggers director Yimou Zhang.
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when the show was regularly half an hour. Regardless, you're right, and as I said earlier it's apples and oranges. And yes Sam, I saw Jackie Chan sing.
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her panties pulled down to her feet and her bare bottom spanked red. Then I'd have to kiss it and make it feel better.
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...when you say something and then someone tries to mince your words and make them mean something completely different than their original intention simply via their own biases.
You just pulled that shit on Obama. Here's a lesson: if he didn't SAY THE WORDS YOU SAY HE DID, that means he DOESN'T MEAN WHAT YOU SAY HE MEANS. Got it? -
For dominating the 2008 Olympics and for a spectacular and memorable show. I feel sorry for the nation that has to follow that act.
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The most amazing thing is the height of arrogance surrounding the london bid. Anyone can tell that the logo is the worst logos ever. despite repeated calls for it to be scrapped at least on medical grounds. its still there. unbelievable. London got the bid by going behind france's back and stabbing them like brutus. New labour hated Chirac for not signing up to the war on Iraq. But chirac saw frontline battle in world War and experienced trench warfare in the battle of algiers. blair never saw conflict. London will put on a great show and they always do. I look forward to seeing them. There is one last reason why i dislike blair. last week. ten years ago, 29 people died in omagh. 200 were injured. Blair came to omagh and promised that the perpertrators would be caught and ten years later no one has. except one and he was exonerated, last year.... sorry about the rant...
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Aug 25, 2008 5:32:19 PM CDT
LONDON WILL GET GUY RITCHIE TO DIRECT THE CEREMONIES
by bringingsexyback
and Madonna will perform. Count on it. Mark my words!!!
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You're comparing cumulative totals of 16 day of near 24 hour Olympic coverage to 1 night of MASH?
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I won't hold it against you, but your
argument doesn't hold water.
What I think Obama said: China is vastly superior to us with regards to infrastructure and we should do the same thing they are doing.
What Obama really said: "Everybody's watching what's going on in Beijing right now the Olympics. Think about the amount of money that China has spent on infrastructure. Their ports, their train systems, their airports are all vastly stuperior to us now, which means if you're a corporation deciding where to do business, you're starting to think, Beijing looks like a pretty good option. Why aren't we doing the same thing?"
There are two ways that we have been looking at this: Obama wants to do things exactly like China and starve his own people and restrict free speech and the media (unlikely), or he's an idiot (my personal choice).
Take your pick.
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How dare he not realize that we can twist and manipulate what he said into being pro communist. What an asshole.
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I know you're making fun of the argument, but it really wasn't that hard of a push from pro-Chinese infrastructure to pro-Communism. I found it very easy...
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Only a moron would think that China is not an emerging economic superpower, so him stating that businesses could look at them and think "Hmmm..." is merely telling exactly what is already happening.
But you said earlier that his comment specifically means that he supporting everything China stood for, when he was just commenting that in certain ways (NOT ALL) they can in certain views have superior something or other than us.
He did not say we should pride ourselves "more on national image than feeding its people/slave labor." He did not say let's do it exactly as they do. Nowhere. Did. He. Say. That.
And I'm surprised at your "calling out" of "bleeding-heart liberals" and how they do not recognize the human rights violations perpetrated by China. OF COURSE WE DO! WE'RE THE ONES PROTESTING! WE'RE THE ONES WHO ARE ALWAYS PROTESTING! Shit! Usually the standard (or standard who posts on certain boards) right-winger will tell us liberals to STOP complaining about human rights violations (you know, like the ones the United States is perpetrating, ALTHOUGH NOT TO THE EXTENT OF CHINA). It sounds to me like you heard one liberal support China, and you thought we all do.
Wrong, sir. Wrong.
And to assume you know what's in anyone's brains without hearing their direct words is selfish, stupid and shortsighted. Get off your Obama hate-wagon. At least some of us liberals can admit that McCain and Obama BOTH have some good ideas. -
To someone like you it isn't hard.
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Although I personally believe Obama to be a socialist, I don't think he is praising communism with his statement praising the infrastructure of China. He is, however showing how very naive he is. Tell me Lenny, do you believe that fresh air is an important part of infrastructure? I do. China ordered a million cars off the road and closed all factories around Beijing closed to clear the air. Did Obama mention that? No. China pulled the workers out of the Szechaun province from the rebuilding after the massive earthquake that killed 70000 people and left hundreds of thousands destitute, in order to rebuild Beijing. Did Obama mention that? No. So sure the Chinese put together a hell of a show and built a hell of a city. But at what cost? $40 billion from an economy 1/6 the size of ours. Was that money well spent? I think not. And finally Obama compared one very well engineered city to the ENTIRE United States. The only reason corporations want to go there is to avoid Union rules, wage laws, environmental laws, and having to pay health care. In China big business rules, and the individual has no say at all. Obama is a fool. I don't hate him, I just don't want him to lead this country.
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You don't understand: the REASON that China's infrastructure in BEIJING, HOME OF THE OLYMPICS, is great, is because they have stopped putting money into other programs in order to display a better image of themselves.
What's a word folks on the left use a lot? Oh right... CAUSATION. If you look at what is caused by putting that big a percentage of your national budget into cleaning up ONE CITY, you'll see that other places are thrown into despair. If Obama wants to be on par with China in terms of their computer generated image, then be prepared for other programs to be cut. Or... taxes to spike.
I'm not saying that Obama wants to do everything like China, I'm just saying that he's a moron who says things before he thinks them through.
I called out "bleeding heart liberals" because they needed to be called out. Nowadays, the whole term is used by the left to describe how the right view the left. I have some very admirable friends who fight for human rights and are the first to criticize the governments involved in the latest atrocity. More power to them! What I'm criticizing is the fact that there would have been more of an outcry after these statements had ANY POLITICIAN ON THE RIGHT said it. I'm not saying that all liberals aren't decrying the human rights violations of China, I'm just saying that a lot of them are looking very hypocritical for not criticizing Obama.
But isn't that how the left operates? Hypocrisy is the way things are run! Do as I say, not as I do...
From 2000 to 2004, one presidential candidate gave 25% of what he earned to charity, whereas the other gave 1% to charity. One presidential candidate adopted a girl from Bangladesh after she came up to him asking for medical help, while the other has a brother who lives in a hut. I'm sure you can tell where I'm going with this... -
Liberals SHOULD be agreeing with McCain on some things: he's a Republican in Name Only. To not agree with him on several issues where he's a "maverick" would make you... hypocritical.
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I'm a basic sports fan who loves my Sunday football and baseball playoff season, but I have to say I never really got into the Olympics all that much since I really don't care who wins a medal for volleyball or some such thing like that. On the other hand if there's going to be some sort of historical event taking place that you can actually tune in to see with some sort of advance notice -- like Phelps winning the all-time number of personal medals -- sure, I'll tune in to see a moment in history taking place.On the other hand, I can believe the ratings since since even a person like me tuned in to watch the opening and closing ceremonies. I figured that for the first ever China Olympics that they'd go all out to put on one helluva dog & pony show and I was right. Those 2 ceremonies were spectacular to say the least. True visual masterpieces.On the other hand, too bad they faked a bunch of it, and too bad our great "free speech" American media (and NBC in particular) took it up the ass and played along until they HAD to acknowledge things. And too bad the Chinese cheated at the games and the Olympic rules committee is too chicken shit to call them on that, too.
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...the concept of words to anybody. So let's make this verrrrry fucking simple.
This is my impression of you and Obama, with you being you and Obama being me:
I say, "I like cheddar cheese."
You say, "Oh noes! You like all dairy, you cow-killing motherfucker!"
And redshirt, not one motherfucking part of Obama's statement did he PRAISE THE FUCKING AIR! Let's look at his statement again. What? It's not there? He doesn't say it? Well blow me down!
And Pirate, once again I say there has been no outcry against Obama on his statement because HE DIDN'T SAY WHAT YOU SAID HE SAID!
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Dude calm down and stop cussing, it makes you sound stupid. Yes he never mentioned the air I give you that. He did praise Beijing as an attractive place to want to do business due to the infrastructure. He completely ignored what China did to get to that point. His statement was ignorant, and I'm sure it is getting great play in China. I'd be willing to bet the headlines read "Possible next US president admits Chinese superiority". If he had praised Beijing and left it at that, I'd have no problem. He had to compare it to the United States, and dude, there is absolutely nothing the USA needs to emulate from China.
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...of blowing things way out of proportion?
There is absolutely no way that your assessment of the situation resembles my stance on Obama's statements. He SAID that China's infrastructure is vastly stuperior to ours. He wondered why we weren't doing the same thing China was doing. It is not that far a step to criticize his choice of China being a "role model" when it comes to certain things. You seriously don't understand do you?
It's just like one of the TB-ers above who said that Bush was worse because he actually went over to China to watch the Olympics. Do you need to explain that going over and watching the Olympics is NOT the same as supporting China's human rights violations? Because I don't see you doing it! -
...are both finding things that simply aren't there, because they were not said.
And linguistically, swearing and capitalizing words shouldn't indicate any form of stupidity--or rage, for that matter--as much as it is a concern for emotional impact, conversational quality (which is MY way of writing) and memorability.
Point is, both of you are falling into a kind of logical fallacy, the name of which completely fucking escapes my mind right now.
China is where America does a great deal of business already. This is not a secret, nor is it anything remotely recent. For him to reflect that in a comment does not say that it is ignorant, simply because he didn't go over every point in the statement. If we all talked like that, having to deal with every angle for those looking for cannon fodder, we'd never go home and get to sleep. Just because he didn't say it doesn't mean ANYTHING.
And I have nothing to do with the comment about Bush's presence in China having anything to do with "supporting China's human rights violations," so if you were indeed asking me to discuss that--which is unclear to me considering your last two sentences--I have nothing to say on the matter.
And I still think my cheddar cheese argument makes sense, because it demonstrates the fallacy under which both of you have fallen. Now if I could only remember what the hell it was called. -
let me finish with this. I think Chinas most favored nation trading status should be revoked. I also say go to revokethegames.com. peace out.
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so is shawn...cuz they both live in texas...so its ok to say nasty things about both of them...if i was an intrepid porn producer, i would try and sign up a few male and female gymnasts...especially the rhytmic gymanasts...those gals can do things with their bodies that are truly amazing...
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lotsa bullshit with that thing. what the heck waws the problem with geting the actual girl who sang the damn song?
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The answers to your question. The communist part deemed the original girl to be not pretty enough. She sang the song while the other more pretty girl mimed to her words.
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Did anyone notice that the US won 6, count them, 1-2-3-4-5-6, medals, two of them G-O-L-D, in the shooting events? Did anyone notice that the US won medals in fencing and martial arts events? F*ck no. Why? Because we were treated to the 57 goddamn preliminary heats of the men's 200-meter dog-paddle. I Tivo'ed some coverage on Thursday because I wanted to see the Modern Pentathlon. Did I get to see it? F*ck no. Why? Because they showed ALL THREE HOURS AND FORTY-FIVE MINUTES of the men's 50Km walk. WALKING!?! Are you kidding me? And people think watching golf on TV is stupid. And why is it that all of the up-close-and-personal (remember that?) stories of athletes talked about their horrible childhoods and insurmountable odds? And why didn't we get to see any of the bikini cheerleaders at the beach volleyball events? And why were the commentators making snide inane comments like "Is it cool to be proud of the USA these days?" Why were we subjected to all of this bullsh*t? Because NBC is run by a bunch of leftist pussies. NBC, screw you and the equestrian event horse you rode in on! Didn't show those events either, did ya, a**holes?
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This is the fun part of having TiVo and a fuckload of channels.
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Obama also said that he wouldn't weaponize space, which China already has begun doing. Since you lefties want to consider looking to China for ideas, can we follow their lead on that one too? We wouldn't want them to get too much of a technology advantage, would we?
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Flames on Phelps.
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...that the conglomerates doing business the most with China happen to be mostly run by Conservatives. Waa waa waaaaaaa...
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I'm not kidding. Yeah there's a guy on the US women's softball team. His name was Crystl.
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So when Obama sez, "if you're a corporation deciding where to do business, you're starting to think, Beijing looks like a pretty good option," isn't he talking about those eeeBUL conglomerates doing business with China that you mention? You wouldn't be trying to have this both ways, are you? That's a rhetorical question, BTW.Hey, instead of spinning off in another direction, how about replying to my comment about China already having begun weaponizing space? Look for the speech he gave where he mentions that he'll make "deep cuts into unproven weapon defense systems." It's rather easy to google the details. He gave the speech during the same week we shot down that malfunctioning weather satellite earlier this year. I'm sure you remember how we accomplished that end.
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I was merely turning your point against you. And it seemed to work juuuuust fine.
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You. Turning my point... against me? When it... was I that... oh, never mind.Thanks for confirming that you are indeed attempting to have it both ways. Not unlike Mrs. Obama with her speech last night.Regarding space weaponization, please, do stay ignorant. Satisfying your white guilt is much more important than substance, integrity and character (I already know experience means squat to you). Wouldn't want to burden you with anything that may inform. Hell, perhaps you'll finally reach enlightenment once China is on top and you're helping(?) build that wonderful infrastructure right here in America!Don't click! It's just another "tirade"! http://tinyurl.com/6a5czr
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I'd love for you to point out that I'm "attempting to have it both ways," when I never once cried foul AGAINST Conservatives. *scroll* Nope, can't find it either.
I wasn't accepting my own ignorance; I was merely doing something most AICN talkbackers don't do, which is do plenty of research on subjects BEFORE I discuss them. I'm sorry that I am not up to date on one simple issue that you're so nuts about. Great job.
I still haven't defended China, so your third paragraph is pretty much falling on dead ears. Thanks for wasting your own energy on something I never said.
And the "tirade" to which I refer was you, not the evidence. You can re-read what I said if you want to, but if you want to believe I was calling all links you send me "tirades," then by all means continue ignoring what I'm saying and putting other words in its place.
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Because I'm not.
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That's a response I have directly to the link you provided, from the evidence you gave me.
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"I never once cried foul AGAINST Conservatives"Of course not. You only cried foul against the eeeBUL conglomorants. You know, the folks that flow down lower costs at department stores and pad out our 401Ks."which is do plenty of research on subjects BEFORE I discuss them. I'm sorry that I am not up to date on one simple issue that you're so nuts about."Okay, so "you do plenty of research" except for that one *major* blip.And "simple issue" does nothing to describe the link I provided. The man is talking about weakening our defenses well below those of our rivals. Try and convince yourself otherwise, but it is not a mere "simple" issue that I alone am "nuts about.""I still haven't defended China"Except for that passive aggressive swipe at conglomerates."pretty much falling on dead ears."Duh."Thanks for wasting your own energy on something I never said."If it ain't a feeling, then it never existed (to a liberal). Of course. Just like all those cries of "we were hoodwinked into going to war with Iraq!""And the "tirade" to which I refer was you, not the evidence."Me? The "flames on Phelps" guy?"if you want to believe I was calling all links you send me "tirades,"Which number, exactly, one."Talk about overreacting! Waaaah waaaah waaaaaaaah..."This, from Captain Onomatopoeia."And who said I was white?"I ain't neither. But don't believe me. Trust in ye olde AICN search box. Odd, how such an "important" issue (it's irrelevant) is relegated to a follow-up post. Need "street cred" much?"By the way, China isn't our enemy."Yet. Please do go ahead and give them an inch. See what they make of it. In your own words, "Only a moron would think that China is not an emerging economic superpower.""Amazing how Obama can say one think and you think he says another. That's a brilliant magic trick."It is common sense. From all this mish-mashing of words from others here above ours -- I am amazed at how the words the Obamessiah actually spoke can be apologized for. No matter how you slice it, yes, China has better infrastructure. Yet does the man not know how that end was acheived? And does he (or his true-believers) not understand what it would take to accomplish the same end here? Given his rhetoric on the stump?Lenny, honestly, I hold no malice against you or others of your ilk. Yet you do sleep with your conscience. "Cheddar Cheese." Enjoy!
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..and the unjustly maligned, to not choose my stance on an issue simply because it's liberal or conservative, and that what somebody says should be taken at a literal face-value first. To look for the good in people.
I never said anything passive-aggressive, but I guess I cannot control what you think I say, despite the words I used.
I am just as willing to defend people attacking McCain via a misunderstanding of his words as much as I am about Obama, because I will not accept willed stupidity. He never said that he didn't know "how that end was achieved." That is all you, boy-o. As aforementioned, just because he didn't say it doesn't mean squat.
We'll have to agree to disagree, but you cannot possibly tell me what's in my mind, because you honestly haven't asked and are applying your own ideas of what every American liberal is. Nothing is simply black and white...except for the election! Yuk yuk yuk...
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all the good stuff gets made in CHINA, lol
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that really...America is fucked! either way. To quote a tagline to a very bad film from a couple of years ago. "Whoever wins we loose"
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America is country with over 400 million people. America views the wider world with great suspicion. I think it is about time that americans actually learned a little more about the world. Americans should be taught that their leaders have not always acted in a way that have made americans popular. When I read the papers I am taken a back by sheer and utter idiocy of the irish left. When terrorists go into nightclubs blow themselves up what do you expect is going to happen? or when terrorists blast rockets into another country? Irish left hates isreal, which is why they dont say anything when isreal is attacked but when Isreal respondes, the irish left goes mad. most intelligent people in ireland ask the quesion that I have asked? But as is always the case govts are very selective about history they teach. The irish famine is a good case in point. Very complicated thing that but its alwys been a case of its the brits fault. Ireland once had a population of 8 million. Starvation and immigration where the causes.
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..are ignorant about other cultures. I live in a country that has a tiny, minuscule approval rating for our leader, one we do not blindly follow. We recognize exactly what you say, that our leaders have not always acted in a way that have made Americans popular. The problem is we can't always control our leaders, just like most countries.
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Perspective -- The approval rating you mention is higher compared to that of congress and the New York Times. Perspective.BTW, we're writing here, not "saying" anything. And everything I wrote doesn't equal anything you interpreted either. Nyah, nyah. So where does this get us? Nowhere.Go ahead and vote for the guy that's going to sell our nation down the river. I'm sure you think it'll feel great. Put all that racism baggage in the rear view mirror, etc. Me? Not voting for either liberal (and, yes, they're both liberal -- your side wins either way). I'm voting Barrr. Now, what were you "saying" about pigeonholing?
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You brought up a valid point that people keep glossing over: McCain is a RINO, and even tried to change parties in 2002. The fact that folks are calling him a Neo-Con or a Bush 2 is just foolish. If anything, moderate liberals would be more in tune with this guy politically than Obama.
Yet, when has anyone voted on their pure beliefs? Nah... they vote for the guy that has a giant D or R next to their name.
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...about Congress and the New York Times? And when did I pigeonhole you as a McCain voter? This is sheer lunacy, I tells ya!
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Despite my truly, truly, TRULY (safe) protest vote... You have no idea how much I want your wishes to come true.
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Yes, you WROTE no direct quote of the NYT. And yet, they are the ones that published (as *YOU* mentioned) how GWBush has a higher approval rating of the Congress and, well, even themselves. Yes, you wrote nothing about them, the NYT directly. And yet, that which you reference, which was referenced by they themselves, was repudiated by their lower approval rating -- OF THEMSELVES.Confused? I am... and I wrote this! But you libs wouldn't have it any other way.BTW -- you never did pigeon hole me as a McCain voter. You simply pigeon holed me as a knee-jerk Republican with, well, just about everything you "said" yet mostly "We'll have to agree to disagree, but you cannot possibly tell me what's in my mind, because you honestly haven't asked and are applying your own ideas of what every American liberal is. Nothing is simply black and white...except for the election!"Now, if you weren't pigeon-holing me as a neocon (not odd on AICN) you certainly were casting me the far-right conservative. And you are wrong.
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Anything you wrote about anything I (may have) wrote is in complete and utter error. Sheer lunacy, indeed, I say (on [allegedly] your part, that is)!And, again, where does this get us? Nowhere.When anything one writes to the contrary is inadmissible, then anything written in response to them is admissible. And vice versa.Only pigs can wear blue ribbons on their tails...
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Have fun voting for Barr. You've wasted my time for the last...time.
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