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Danny Elfman is scoring THE WOLFMAN!!!

Published at: Aug. 24, 2008, 6:06 p.m. CST by headgeek

Hey folks, Harry here... Some nice folk at Universal just gave me a ring-a-ling to drop note that Danny Elfman is scoring THE WOLFMAN! Oddly enough - I was watching NIGHTMARE BEFORE CHRISTMAS on Blu-Ray - which has a stop-motion animated WOLFMAN and well... That music isn't at all right for this WOLFMAN. However, Danny Elfman... he could be awesomely perfect for this. He can give the gypsies their beat & jingle. He can give the moors their eeriness. And he can give the night air its menace - the moon its longing and the Wolfman -- a soul. And Talbot - his melancholy. Music will be key here. It can fill in the gaps - make you believe there is a man in a beast and a beast in a man. I can't wait to see what Elfman comes up with here. I just hope he can bring tears to the film. THE WOLFMAN is a sad sad story... he can make us feel that.

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  • Aug. 24, 2008, 6:09 p.m. CST

    I hope its good

    by Silverglade

    Benicio is awesome.

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Elfman has always been hit or miss for me.

    by mrfan

    Looking forward to this movie.

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 6:12 p.m. CST

    Hope so

    by Neosamurai85

    I'd really like to see this work. Just please, no Burton Danny. I've seen him do decent stuff with other directors but if he doesn't really work his ass off at this... I can just think of a lot of other composers I'd be more excited about, unless he does give it his all and reaches out of his comfort zone.

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Hellboy 2 score was great

    by ICEcreamassassin

    Danny's music heightens HB2 best scenes. Can't wait to see this movie.

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 6:16 p.m. CST

    Come to think of it...

    by Neosamurai85

    I guess what I just said could apply to almost everyone on this (except for the perfect casting choice for Talbot). Anyone of these people could do good work with this if they push themselves and really care about it, but they wouldn't have to even phone it in to make it not work at all. Still, optimistic as hell, because this really could be great!

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 6:16 p.m. CST

    Funny

    by blackhole4140

    The score of the original Wolf Man is similar to the one Elfman used in Batman 1989(as shown by James Rolfe/AVGN).

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 6:23 p.m. CST

    Let's have a party; there's a full moon in the sky

    by Randall Flagg

    It's the hour of the wolf, and I don't wanna die

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 6:27 p.m. CST

    I just can't care anymore

    by jughood

    I'm still too devestated about the changing of directors. We could've had an amazin film, an amazing, creative, stylish, director, instead of we have the guy who did Jurassic Park 3. This isn't fair.

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 6:28 p.m. CST

    original Wolf Man and Batman 89

    by Neosamurai85

    I guess what I mean by no Danny Burton is that you can recognize a score by Elfman today when he works with Burton. It stands out like Burton's visual style, and while it isn't inherently a bad thing, it's kinda like Clive Owen. I love me some Clive Owen action movies, but in every one of them, he's basically just playing Clive Owen with small adjustments of the badass to haggard dial. You know he can do other things from his past, but basically you know what you're getting and come to it for that. I don't want that with this Wolf Man. I don't want to sit down and go, oh, Danny scored this, goody goody. Now, his Batman score was pretty great, and just almost stands outside of Burton Danny, but really, I almost want some Howard Shore on this puppy. Still, I think there could be an awesome as hell Elfman score for this out there, I just hope he brings it.

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 6:29 p.m. CST

    I sense some Sleepy Hollow vibes

    by terry1978

    Being a period piece, that's what I suspect it'll sound like. Though I am hoping he amps up a little of the weirdness in some of his scores.

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Thumbs-up

    by DigitalBeachWar

    thats it... thumbs up

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Yeah...

    by Kizeesh

    looks shit.<p> Will sound shit too.

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Open message to Danny Elfman

    by No Respectable Gentleman

    Hey, Danny, give us a melody. In fact, two melodies would be better. A few leitmotifs. Some full-blooded Gothic scoring. In short, please eschew the current trend for tunless droning, which is really just a cover-all for laziness and mediocrity.

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Elliot Goldenthal

    by kwisatzhaderach

    is the man. His Alien 3 score is AMAZING.

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 6:48 p.m. CST

    jughood

    by Paul Bucciarelli

    Devestated? Not fair? Are you fucking serious?

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 6:51 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 score IS amazing...

    by Bouncy X

    this will show how lame i was as a teen but i remember popping that cd in at home on the big ass stereo and turn out all the lights and me and friends would basically play sorta hide and seek and try and scare each other. but the music only made it all the more creepy. lol

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 6:53 p.m. CST

    OH NO JOHN WILLIAMS!!!

    by OGREISHERE

    Great now we are going to have to do this with Danny Elfman. Blue Harvest

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 6:53 p.m. CST

    What We Need Is Another Oingo Boingo Album

    by Media Messiah

    Danny your just takng another paycheck here, so what. We need another Oingo Boingo album like that way t was before you guys sold out. Stuff like "Only A Lad", "I Love Little Girls" and "Nothing Bad Ever Happens To Me" That was some great classc stuff!!!<BE><BR> "Nothing Bad Ever Happens To Me"--lyric: "Did you hear about the Jones', My, my, my...When I was away...no one knows why, their teenage son, he seemed okay, but his suicide ruined everyone's day, and I can't believe...that anyone would...wanna do such terrible things, but why should I care? Nothing bad ever happens to me." or, "I Love Little Girls"--lyrics: "They don't care about my one-way mirror, they don't care about my cold exterior" and of course "Only A Lad" (about a kid, an allegory for troubled kids, getting away with screwing people and committing crimes using ones' young age as a convenient excuse of ignorance)--Lyrics: "Hey there Johnny, I hope you fry!!!" (echo chamber).<BR><BR> Oingo Boingo, they were some bad mother fuckers, especally live, and Danny was great, Eward E Newman/Chucky as the lead singer of a band!!! At least give us some new or old Oingo Boingo on some of the song scores you do for movies.

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 6:56 p.m. CST

    This is good news

    by LEADER

    Great films cannot exist without equally great music attached and Elfman is one of the handful of composers who repeatedly delivers. Music is so important to storytelling. I know he'll effectively create the mood for this, he's established himself as tailor-made for this kind of genre but I hope he has it in himself to really nail new (for himself) and memorable themes. I like Elfman, but I'm looking for him to grow and not rehash old ideas.

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Kristen Bell on board for the Astro Boy CG movie

    by Pennsy

    She'll voice the lead female role (Uran, a/k/a Astro Girl?) joining Nicolas Cage, Bill Nighy, Donald Sutherland. Here's the 411 on KB: http://tinyurl.com/5k3396 and the IMDB page: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0375568/

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Paul Bucciarelli

    by jughood

    yes it's the guy WHO DIRECTED JURASSIC PARK 3 doing an andrew kevin walker script. it's not fair.

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 7:05 p.m. CST

    As a kid I saw Oingo Boingo at Knotts Berry Farm....

    by conspiracy

    back in the early 1980s,....Flipping Friggin Christ that was a looooong time ago.

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 7:07 p.m. CST

    What WAS Elfman's last good score?

    by epitone

    Not being sarcastic; I just honestly don't know. He ruled the late 80s and 90s, but these days I usually can't even tell it's him.

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 7:14 p.m. CST

    He'll rewrite the Oingo Boingo song...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    ...and call it "It's a Wolfman's Party"

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Links To Oingo Boingo Videos

    by Media Messiah

    Elfman in a choreographed dnace routine in the video for Nothing Bad Ever Happens To Me...among other cool things. It's the 3rd video on my list. If the addresses alter...when I post them (they often do, ever so slightly, on this web site), just look-up the group Oingo Boingo, and or, songs by name...including "Gray Matter". <BR><BR> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jItz-uNjoZA <BR><BR> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTgq8D2_RGM&feature=related <BR><BR> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQy5vKAaTuA <BR><BR> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVp-xleiYSA&feature=related <BR><BR> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0Fc9lvRMy0

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 7:17 p.m. CST

    jughood

    by Paul Bucciarelli

    Not receiving a new promotion because the boss nephew needed is not fair. having a mechanic tell you that your car needs work that it really doesn't isn't fair. Losing any competiton to a cheater isn't fair. You need a new set of priorities. The most that should feel about the studio's choice of director is disappointed. Unless you have real personal stock in the project, you're just being a whiney nerd. Besides, he's more than competent. Hidalgo, The Rocketeer and Honey I Shrunk the Kids are all good movies. He'll do just fine

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 7:17 p.m. CST

    the elf man

    by ddog

    not really sure whats with all the elfman love. never was a big fan. just hope the wolfman turns out great and rick baker is involved as much as possible.

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 7:22 p.m. CST

    Oingo Boing

    by Paul Bucciarelli

    Wasn't my favorite band but saw them once outdoors on CMU's cut and they were great. There were something like 11 people in O.B. at the time and they were one of the tightest bands that I've ever seen.

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Elfman doesn't even rank top 20 for me.

    by IAmJack'sUserID

    He's a pretty boring composer. <p></p> And those video ads HAVE GOT TO FUCKING GO!! I wouldn't mind it if it didn't have goddamn sound! I mean if it's video we don't have to look at it. But with sound YOU HAVE NO CHOICE! Me alone here in my dark house with it cloudy and eerie outside. Christ, you assholes could give someone a heart attack. "WHY DON'T YOU LIKE WINDOWS VISTA?" "OH GAWD, MOMMEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!"

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 7:32 p.m. CST

    Gotta agree with Jack, Harry,

    by LEADER

    Video advertisements with sounds are a bad idea on here. Forget the point of them being annoying for just a minute; many faithful readers on here view your site during work and might have to end that in light of the new "forced-sound" ads. You may want to rethink this.

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 7:38 p.m. CST

    octagonproplex

    by Paul Bucciarelli

    Why Romanek? What would he bring to the table?

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 7:40 p.m. CST

    Hi Octagon Proplex--Danny Elfman And "Little Things"

    by Media Messiah

    What made Oingo Boingo so cool is they were sharp political and societal satirists. "Little Things" sounds like Danny is trying to sound ultra serious, but he's gotten rid of his Looney Tunes style orchestrated punk infused music and smart, biting, and often funny anti-social lyrics??? Oingo Boingo were about sucker punch themes and subversiveness therein, however "Little Things" sounds like it wants to be The Nine Inch Nails without Trent's mean guitars, cutting vocals, and desperate nihilistic lyrics, etc.??? That's not Oingo Boingo, that's Danny doing NIN and not as well!!!<BR><BR>Wiith early Oingo Boingo, you could actually hear some of the stuff Danny used in his film scoring, like Pee-Wee's Bg Adventure, or Beetle Juice...a sort of Groovy Ghoulies meets a mad circus and a Orchestra gone big band with a Kid Creole Bend to it. They were the original Sublime...just more expert in their musicianship. These were real classically and blues trained musicians including Elfman, so it is something hearing them play punk, new wave and rock 'n roll music with a classical eye to it. Trent comes from that background too, but he's doing industrial/gothic with a classical eye, which isn't Danny's thing, as it post dates him. Nice try but Danny is missing the great twisted humor he use to have, in both the lyrics, his vocals, and the music, at least, in that song.

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 7:42 p.m. CST

    I saw Clonewars and it was fun!?

    by FILMFUNK

    Harry your review really put me off but i took my 3 and a half year old expecting the worst and we had a really good time!<P>Guess i'm back to hoping You think stuff including the Wolfman sux so i then know i'll like it.

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 7:47 p.m. CST

    SLOWEST week of news at aicn EVER

    by Stengah

    srsly

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 7:58 p.m. CST

    You're mine.....

    by Loosejerk

    but you're not my slave.

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Octagon Proplex

    by Media Messiah

    Sure, anytime. I've been thinking about that song. It seems like it should have been remixed. Trent's beats are more driven with strange time signatures, and I think Danny's song could have used a more sequenced sound to it. I think a robotic Jungle Beat, and a step sequenced bass-line would have helped in that regard greatly. Elfman used all the right instruments to mimic the Industry/Goth sound, but he did not seem to know how to apply them. I don't think he is a real fan of the sound. I have 1/8th the talent of Elfman as a musician, maybe less, a lot less, but I know the industrial sound and how to execute it. I'm a very good writer and a fan of the genre, so it now comes easy to me.

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 8:11 p.m. CST

    Romanek >

    by Paul Bucciarelli

    I have of course seen those videos and agree with their quality. I didn't see One Hour Photo that's why I asked you. What I should have asked is: What do you like about his work that makes you prefer him to Johnson?

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 8:11 p.m. CST

    Oh, good, another 'circus' score

    by uppercanuck

    Yawn.

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 8:12 p.m. CST

    Just got off the phone with Universal...

    by zacdilone

    ...ring a ling.

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 8:13 p.m. CST

    He scored with the wolfman?

    by Orionsangels

    Actually this is awesome.

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 8:24 p.m. CST

    Another Elfman score?

    by Darkman

    Fuckin' A! I'm definitely seeing the film now.

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 8:34 p.m. CST

    Elfman is AWFUL

    by topaz4206

    I never liked his stuff. I think Family Guy's parody of his music was spot on.<br><br>It almost felt like he was intentionally trying to derail Hellboy 2. Fortunately the strength of the movie overcame his score.

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 8:35 p.m. CST

    FILMFUNK you're right!

    by Sith Witch

    Clone Wars is amazing... I just don't understand all the hate.

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 8:45 p.m. CST

    I hope it sounds like his "Hulk" score

    by Monkeybrains

    Because that had such a awesome melody that you could hum all day. <p> Remember when movie scores had themes, that when you heard the first few seconds you knew exactly what movie it was? I hate this trend of underscoring mood sounds with no melody what so ever. <p> And whatever happened to Bridget Fonda anyway, Danny?

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Everything he does sounds the same.

    by fiester

    And not in a good way.

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 9:04 p.m. CST

    octagonproplex

    by Paul Bucciarelli

    What did you think of the trailer?

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 9:17 p.m. CST

    Excellent!

    by ScoreKeeper

    One of the last remaining working composers with an appreciation for old school Universal monster films taking the reins of this score is definitely a great choice. Oh, and to answer somebody's question...Elfman's last great score? HELLBOY II.

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 9:29 p.m. CST

    Danny boy

    by Film.guy.Pete

    I like is music

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 9:31 p.m. CST

    SOUNDS ABSOLUTELY PERFECT. I WAS JUST SOLD

    by Proman1984

    ON THE MOVIE.

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 9:33 p.m. CST

    Been a long time Boingo/Elfman fan

    by Right Bastard

    But I'm in the group that thinks his scoring has gotten fairly lazy and unimaginative (HBII, was a nice surprise). Guess I wouldn't want to work either if I was getting that Bridget Fonda tail. What the hell has she done since "Jackie Brown"...aside from Danny Elfman?

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Fiester, you could say the same about . . .

    by adiehardfanwithalethalweapon

    ...John Williams. And ,yes, I just went there.

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Cue obligitory "every Elfman score is the same

    by Nasty In The Pasty

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 9:44 p.m. CST

    bullshit

    by Nasty In The Pasty

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Fiester, I take that back . . .

    by adiehardfanwithalethalweapon

    ...cause I just remembered Elfman lifted the 89 Batman score from Hellraiser 2. Still not big on Williams.

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Elfman = redundant

    by RetroActive

    I liked his older stuff. Edward Scissorhands is one of my favorite scores of his, but he's pulled a James Horner on us. It's all starting to run together.

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Elfman is a hack.

    by Rev. Slappy

    Never understood the fanboy drool over this guy.

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 9:51 p.m. CST

    Film Funk/Clone Wars

    by Media Messiah

    Ultmately, George Lucas has burned many bridges with his fans. I think if he apologizes for making some mistakes and is a bit more humble, he can easily win them back. He can start by greenlighting the 3rd Star Wars trilogy which he promised, and then denied, and get it right, unlike the prequels. By using green screen sparingly and mostly real locations, sets, and practical effects...and bringing in some of the best up and coming writers and directors, that will be a good start. Would you guys go for a Chris Nolan directed Star Wars film??? I'm just throwing out the rich possibilities.<BR><BR>If you ask me, I think Lucas would do good to do a special edit on the prequels and make them into one film. Using about 40 minutes from each to take us through Anaken's life from childhood to adulthood, save for the first film which I think is so bad, Lucas only need barrow 20 minutes, or less, of the footage. I think that would be more of a substantial Star Wars experience. Cut out the fat, like Jar Jar, those dumb roger roger robots, the rope repelling sequence with Padme and the guards...which was clumsy, the undersea people, and the overlong and too numerous light saber fights in Revenge of the Sith...and you will have a more satisfying experience for everyone, fans and critics alike.<BR><BR>Lucas should just count the new edit as one film, and admit that it is the way it should have been in the first place, then produced two extra films showing us the adventures of a young Darth Vader hunting down the surviving Jedi and fightng the beginnings of the rebellion. Lucas is a film editor, so he knows that this is not a big problem to execute. He should have one of his people go into an editing suite and using DVDs of the films, cut together a demo of the new edit. If he likes it, go back and edit a slave print of the actual film masters, and release the damn thing, and I think he will be positively surprised by the reaction by the whole industry and the public.

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 9:53 p.m. CST

    Elfman needs more quirky/dramatic opportunities

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    The whole " gothic superhero" thing he pretty much invented with Batman has run its course. Hellboy II was far from bad, but Beltrami's score to the first was one of the ONLY superhero scores of recent memory to have at least two memorable, HUMMABLE melodies, and to not let him build and elaborate on his work in the sequel was a shame. Imagine Star Wars with the same John Williams score, but Empire Strikes Back with a score by, say, Jerry Goldsmith, and Retun Of The Jedi with an Elmer Bernstein score. All three men are/were great composers, and would have all provided interesting scores, but it's the fact that Williams got to spread his thematic ideas across six hours of film turned the OT into a veritable opera. The only recent series with as strong a film-to-film musical identity was the LOTR trilogy. Fuck, just hire ONE composer and let him do his job! Three X-Men movies, three composers, not ONE unifying theme to connect the three movies (Ottman's work on X2 had a few good themes, but, alas, Ratner didn't ask him to do the third film). Can ANYONE name the last movie series, sans LOTR, to have the same composer on each antry using the same themes?

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Very Cool

    by Organs

    No one embodies Halloween and macabre fantasy like Danny Elfman.

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 10:08 p.m. CST

    I Found the Score!

    by topaz4206

    "Boom-bah-boom-bah boom-bah-boom-bah boom-bah-boom-bah boom-bah-boom-bah." <br><br> and then the breakdown: <br><br> "beep beep bee-bee dee-beedeep beep bee-deep." <br><br> REPEAT 72x<br>FADE OUT:

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 10:17 p.m. CST

    Good choice.

    by Irina Spanko

    This is the kind of film Danny does so well. I'm getting a bit tired of his superhero scores, however.

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 10:18 p.m. CST

    And about John Williams

    by Organs

    He IS a hack. And it's not just my opinion. Music teachers in colleges would agree with me. The man literally takes scores from other well-established composers, alters them very slightly, and applies them to the works of Spielberg, Lucas, and well pretty much everything else. <br> <br> I'm dead serious. I've heard music from some 20th century composer and thought "Hey, isn't that the Tatooine/desert music from 'A New Hope'?". For all the Oscars he won, none of them are the result of any original music on his part.

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 10:26 p.m. CST

    Elfman's BEST...

    by Banzai Rootskibango

    Pee Wee's Big Adventure <P> Edward Scissorhands <P> Batman Returns <P> Beetlejuice

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 10:47 p.m. CST

    Just watched Klute

    by zombiwolf

    and it has awesome music. Jane Fonda is sexy, too.

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 10:53 p.m. CST

    Banzai Rootskibango...

    by Rando Calrisian

    Excellent choices. All great scores. <br> <br> I also loved his score for The Nightbreed. and of course The Nightmare Before Christmas is awesome throughout - scores and songs. For a recent great score, I really enjoyed Charlotte's Web.

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 11:05 p.m. CST

    Anyone know... SCOREKEEPER??

    by Rando Calrisian

    I have two volumes of Elfman score collections titled "Music For a Darkened Theater" - Both are really great discs. But the last one was released like 15 years ago. Any news on a third and fourth volume - He's scored about 40 films since then.

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 11:19 p.m. CST

    That is good news.

    by LoneGun

    Elfman usually brings a nice measure of class, not to mention feeling, to his films. And he can set an epic atmosphere. Loved his Spider-Man music and I also loved what he did with Sam Raimi's DARKMAN.

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Hmmm....

    by SunTzu77

    Edward Scissorhands is probably my favorite Elfman score.

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 11:34 p.m. CST

    Big Deal - He's Gotten Lazy

    by lalalandlovechild

    Hellboy II was Men In Black rehashed. Same sounds, same orchestrations. Slight variations. Wanted was completely phoned in. Elfman's gotten lazy. Every since Planet of the Apes, each score has gotten more and more derivative of the last. He's totally doing what James Horner did. Got rich, jaded and lazy. I used to be a huge Elfman fan, but I haven't heard anything passionate or interesting come out of his dungeon since Red Dragon.

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 11:35 p.m. CST

    I ONCE SAW A BAND OPEN FOR ALIENT ANT FARM

    by Broseph

    One of the guys in the band was best freinds with danny elfman.he actualy bought them an rv to travel and tour in.I can't wait for this movie big fan of del toro

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 11:35 p.m. CST

    A nice long list for you all to enjoy.

    by Rando Calrisian

    Here's a list of most of the film scores Elfman has done. There's like 65 film scores on the list (Not including TV work - Tales from the Crypt & The Simpsons - anyone?? awesome stuff). You may not like all of his work - But I bet there is something on the list that you Love. It is quite an impressive body of work for 23 years... I can't wait to see what the Wolfman has in score for him. <br> <br> (This list blatantly lifted from his website...) <br> <br> Milk <br> Hellboy II: The Golden Army<br> Wanted<br> Standard Operating Procedure<br> Meet The Robinsons<br> The Kingdom<br> Nacho Libre<br> Charlotte's Web<br> Tim Burton's Corpse Bride<br> Charlie and The Chocolate Factory<br> Spider-Man 2<br> Big Fish<br> The Hulk<br> Chicago<br> Red Dragon<br> Men In Black II<br> Spider-Man<br> Novocaine<br> Planet of The Apes<br> Spy Kids<br> Heartbreakers<br> The Family Man<br> Proof of Life<br> Sleepy Hollow<br> Anywhere But Here<br> Instinct<br> A Civil Action<br> My Favourite Martian<br> A Simple Plan<br> Modern Vampires<br> Good Will Hunting<br> Scream 2 ("Cassandra Aria" source cue) <br> Flubber<br> Men In Black<br> Mars Attacks! <br> Extreme Measures<br> Freeway<br> The Frighteners<br> Mission: Impossible<br> Dead Presidents<br> To Die For<br> Black Beauty<br> Dolores Claiborne<br> Shrunken Heads<br> Army of Darkness (March of the Dead theme)<br> The Nightmare Before Christmas<br> Sommersby<br> Batman Returns<br> Article 99<br> Pure Luck<br> Darkman<br> Dick Tracy<br> Edward Scissorhands<br> Nightbreed<br> Batman<br> Beetlejuice<br> Big Top Pee Wee<br> Hot to Trot<br> Midnight Run<br> Scrooged<br> Summer School<br> Back To School<br> Wisdom<br> Pee Wee's Big Adventure<br> Forbidden Zone<br> <br> <br> Forgive the long post - but what else are you reading tonight?

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 11:41 p.m. CST

    What does Kevin"Pigfucker"Smith say about this movie

    by Captain_Pigphucker

    He seems to the official word these days

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 12:07 a.m. CST

    Organs: as simply as possible, you're a fucking idiot.

    by IAmJack'sUserID

    The man is a hack because he borrows from (not borrows directly) classical music compositions? Why, because the Raiders March has an E flat note like one of Tchaikovsky's pieces? Who cares what college music teachers say? If they were worth half a shit then they'd tell you it isn't about the individual notes of a song or track that matter, but the total piece as it all comes together. Lots of music teachers don't amount to a liver spot on Williams' anus, otherwise they'd be doing something other than teaching. When it comes to experts, I think I'll rely on a man whose career is based around making the best music for some of the best movies of all time. And winning accolades, respect, and worldwide fame as a result. And not that it matters, because you're saying they WOULD agree with you, which I doubt anyway. <p></p> The man is a LEGEND because he takes film score to a whole other level; he actually IMPROVES the movies he scores for. <p></p> And by your laughable and highly questionable "logic", no music is original because they all contain notes used by other composers at some other time. It's obvious you don't have a fucking clue about the ignorance spewing from your mouth. <p></p> And it's funny that an Elfman fan would say that, as that seems to be a running trend with you folks. Bash true ORIGINAL masters like Williams while defending a rather one-trick pony like Elfman. The fact that you're infactuated with him is enough to discount your opinion, much more with your vague and unsubstantiated tirade against Williams.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 12:11 a.m. CST

    Elfman = nipples on Wolfman

    by Uncle Stan

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 12:19 a.m. CST

    He was the wrong choice to score Wanted

    by Neo Zeed

    It needed a darker score. Elfman's music was too upbeat.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 12:24 a.m. CST

    BilboFatwa Oingo Boingo

    by Media Messiah

    The whole band sold-out when they started doing pop songs in the mid 80s. Suddenly their brillant lyrics became non offensive, even the music became tame. As far as the song in "Wanted", it was a Nine Inch Nails wanna-be knock-off. Elfman should have done something better than that...just put that song back to back with NIN's "Every Day Is The Same" and it's no contest. Both are featured in "Wanted" and Trent killed Elfman...and I'm crazy about Danny Elfman, but he should give us vintage Oingo Boingo, which is comedic sarcasm with a smart college educated anti establishment flare...riding orchestrated rock/punk arrangements. Danny just went all serious with that "Wanted" song and for some strange reason failed to build the song up to a crescendo, musically and vocally???<BR><BR>I think he had some good ideas, but he doesn't understand industrial music...and that's what he was reaching for. If he wanted that, he should have brought in Trent Reznor to help him shape the song or to remix it.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 12:27 a.m. CST

    and yes, the HULK score was pretty amazing..

    by ICEcreamassassin

    That opening credits sequence is haunting and grand! Sadly the movie was not as great.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 1:03 a.m. CST

    I was kinda hoping for Philip Glass for some reason

    by TheNorthlander

    Elfman is good though.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 1:26 a.m. CST

    How is the Nightmare Before Christmas BluRay?

    by TheWaqman

    Does it look good or what?

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 1:30 a.m. CST

    Hulk amazing

    by Mr Gorilla

    I'm not a huge Elfman fan but his Hulk score was amazing, as the other posters say. If you get into the movie (it IS possible, I'll get more from watching it again than this summer's effort) the wierd final fight between Hulk and his dad is BEAUTIFULLY served by the music.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 1:39 a.m. CST

    Guy who said John WIlliams was a HACK

    by Mr Gorilla

    Yeah, that music cue in STAR WARS is a direct rip of Stravinsky's RITE OF SPRING. And a bit of his REVENGE OF THE SITH soundtrack is very much like John Adams' HARMONLIERE. But - despite your persuasive point that music teachers would agree with you - he ain't no hack. He's no more influenced by existing music than all the great movie composers, from Miklos Rozsa and Bernard Herrman to Howard Shore and Jerry Goldsmith. But Williams is amazing in that he's given us so many tunes to whistle, but at the same time his TUNELESS cues (the bangy bits that accompany hard action) are, if anything, even MORE impressive.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 1:53 a.m. CST

    Why....

    by Mr Gorilla

    ...does Nolan get all this love EVERYWHERE, but Andrew Stanton gets very little. Now hold it there, Batman lovers, I'm not a Nolan-hater. I just thought that the THE DARK KNIGHT and WALL-E were both equally brilliant films. Of course, one was far more disturbingly dark - and that woudl be the one with all of earth covered in shit, millions and millions dead, and the rest of the human race held hostage by some Wall-Mart style corporation, that sells them stuff 24/7, and - hell - even sells stuff to babies in their cots. Now THAT's dark.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 1:55 a.m. CST

    BilboFatwa

    by Media Messiah

    I sound like a fan of great music. I love The Beatles and Elvis too, as well as Mozart. I have been accused on this site of being in my early teens to now 45 or 50??? The reason why I don't like much of the new music is because much of the new music sucks. Linkin Park seemed like they might evolve to being something special until their last album, Panic At The Disco put out a horrible second album, Fallout Boy is terrible, and Good Charlot sucks. Sure these guys can play their instruments in most cases, and very well, but their writing is lacking, and there is no excuse for that.<BR><BR> Lennon and McCartney were some bad asses in their early 20s, but by the time they were 24 to 25, they showed utter genius...and Prince was showing his abilities for said genius at an even earlier age, doing his best work between 21 and 25 years old. Where is the new Prince, the new Lennon and McCartney, Elvis, Sting, Trent Renzor, Kurt Cobain, somebody, anyone please stand-up???!!!<BR><BR>All we have today is High School: The Musical, American Idol, Miley Cyrus, Lindsey Lohan and The Jonas Brothers??? If that is what you call genius, I suggest you get off the crack???!!!! Cocaine, it's a hell of a drug--Rick James

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 6:44 a.m. CST

    So it's going to sound like Batman then?

    by Dazzler69

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 8:13 a.m. CST

    Bouncy x is right, the Alien3 score is fantastic.

    by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks

    Elliot Goldenthal RULES....Interview with a Vampire is even more magical.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 8:43 a.m. CST

    Old school Elfman would be great...

    by Darth Macchio

    ...and so would any Goldenthal. I thought Williams had gotten a bit played out until I heard his excellent work in the first 2 Harry Potter movies (I never grew to like any of his prequel work, in fact I think the lot of it is boring at best...yes including battle of the fates which i think is highly overrated). Williams pieces for Daigon Alley in Socerer's/Philosopher's is my favorite piece of music in the entire HP series. As for Elfman, NightBreed hands down my fav. If he goes there for Wolfman, we could be in for something special. If he goes Spiderman, well...I guess we'll see.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 8:53 a.m. CST

    Elfman = Movie Music Death

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Have some more goofy Oingo Boingo, kids!

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 9 a.m. CST

    So Its Going To Be "Zany" Then?

    by LaserPants

    Elfman is the go to guy for "zany" (read: awful) soundtracks.<br><br> Despite all this, I actually really like the theme he did for Burtonman and the Batman Animated Series.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 9:02 a.m. CST

    Just got off the phone with John Williams

    by Underoos Hero

    He denounces the Star Wars prequels and wishes he had it as good as Danny right now.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 9:05 a.m. CST

    WHO'S GOING TO DRAGONCON?!!

    by Underoos Hero

    Who the fuck is going to Dragon Con this weekend in Atlanta?!! If not, you're missing out.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 9:42 a.m. CST

    don't really like family guy

    by g-ride9000

    but they fucking clowned this guy from the utter to the gutter.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 10:06 a.m. CST

    So which of your scores will you cannibalize Danny?

    by ZeroCorpse

    Will you lift the score to Beetlejuice and twist it around, or will you go with the classic re-working of your Batman score? <p> Any actual composer with even an inkling of music theory knows you've been half-assing it and self-plagiarizing for the past 15 years.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 10:11 a.m. CST

    the original wolfman score

    by alice 13

    is a must. its the classic universal monsters score and its gotta be in there somehow someway.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 10:55 a.m. CST

    Darth M

    by skimn

    Wow, a Nightbreed mention. It is a favorite of mine also. Music For A Darkened Theater Vol 1 is full of '80s goodness. Can't forget Midnight Run...<p>But yes, lately, his scores have not been memorable.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Oingo Boingo's Goodbye Goodbye

    by skimn

    from Fast Times At Ridgemont High, also puts a smile on my face just thinking about it.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 11:27 a.m. CST

    The Breakfast Machine...

    by Somerichs

    gotta love it...

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Somerich

    by skimn

    That theme has beed used and adopted by so many commercials it's not funny.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Folks...

    by scaryskeleton

    Danny didn't even want to write 'Little Things' for Wanted, but did it as a favor to the director, who wanted Seven Nation Army from The White Stripes who decided not to license it. Danny wrote to song as score, and then laid down the vocals while on another project. As for those who say his recent scores are unremarkable, you are welcome to your opinion. Ahem. For those who accuse Danny or Williams of lifting from classical waters, umm, yeah, they admit that they do, and that isn't a bad thing. ALL great film score composers and classical composers steal and will continue to do so.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Skimn, that tells ya somethin right there...

    by Somerichs

    are you saying that's a good thing or bad thing?

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Indeed...altho someone mentioned it earlier...

    by Darth Macchio

    ...still have the ancient CASSETTE version of the NB soundtrack (how shocking is that last country music number? compared to the rest of the music? like lifting an empty suitcase and expecting it to weigh a ton!).<p>Elfman has a knack of great atmosphere with his older work...but I think he started buying his own hype or something. He did great work on Batman and Spidey with the themes (you recognize them don't you?) but it's not as good as he could have done? Dunno, hard to say. I'm still curious as to the reasons behind his falling out with Raimi over Spidey3 (no loss really, considering the movie itself).<p>Elfman for this could be perfect...or not. If he goes full on old school it's going to be perfect. If he goes more modern Elfman then it might be good but missing the essence of the movie. And I agree, the story is a tragedy and must be told on many levels...musical score being one of the primary canvases.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Crystal Skull Score by Williams

    by Samuel Fulmer

    was very forgettable. Much like the film. Maybe Williams was afraid Lucas was going to mutilate his cues like the ones for the Star Wars prequels, so he didn't even try to write anything memorable for Crystal Skull.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 2:10 p.m. CST

    What was the last really good Elfman score?

    by Samuel Fulmer

    I'll say Sleepy Hollow.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Original Wolman Score

    by Samuel Fulmer

    One of the best classic Universal horror scores along with Franz Waxman's Bride of Frankenstein, and Frank Skinner's Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Hmmm... This site is full of tone deaf assholes

    by therealharold

    "It all sounds the same! It all sounds the same!" It's called having a style, you tone deaf assholes. Today's public truly doesn't deserve Elfman or Williams. Enjoy your other options, you tone deaf assholes.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Elfman did the Hulk score?

    by TheWaqman

    The Ang Lee one right? Because the music in there was awesome. I'm not a big Elfman fan, half of the shit he does sucks, the other half is pretty good. But still hopefully he does some good stuff for WolfMan.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Williams Lost It Post E.T.

    by Media Messiah

    But prior to that, he wrote some of the greatest music ever. Post E.T. however, he seems to have gone tone deaf. His scores use to be an extra character in the movies he worked on, even acting as sound effects to help move the films along, they made you scared, thrilled, joyous, tickled, romantic, adventurous, etc. Williams played with the audience, signaling emotional cues for them to react to, but now, he has abandoned that. His work is now a series of non-scores, absent any emotion, drive, melody or crescendo...which was once Williams' trademark style.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 4:10 p.m. CST

    He's so good...

    by Pdorwick

    ...he can make even a horrible film seem far better than it actually is. Remarkable.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Don't agree about Williams...

    by Pdorwick

    His scores for the last 3 Star Wars movies were the only remotely decent things about those astounding piles of shit. His score under the Darth Maul battle at the end of Phantom Menace was particularly good.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 4:58 p.m. CST

    Media...

    by scaryskeleton

    Post ET??? So Jurassic Park, Catch Me if You Can, A.I., Harry Potter 3...Bah, never mind. I don't need to stand up for John Williams. You're just pulling everyone's leg. The guy's still the master.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Scaryskeleton: Compared To Williams' Past Scores...

    by Media Messiah

    ...his latest scores are just plain lazy!!! The score for Harry Potter just lays there, Catch Me If You Can and A.I., even Jurassic Park was pedestrian and forgettable. Any conductor could have done those scores, but Jaws, Star Wars, Close Encounters, Superman, Empire, Raiders and E.T. tower over any of those post scores you have named, as well, they tower over any film scorer, or film scores, of the last 38 years.<BR><BR>Let's face it, every great has their day, including filmmakers like Steven Spielberg and George Lucas, and that day is over, and the same is true of film score vets, even the greats like John Williams...and his day, like those who came before him, is over!!!

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 5:58 p.m. CST

    Media, on Williams...

    by scaryskeleton

    I guess I'm just going to have to disagree with you. Music is all about taste and personal opinion after all. I do have an issue with you saying Oingo Boingo sold out. Have you heard their final studio album, 'Boingo'? Have you heard the song "Insanity"? If you haven't, you should go give it a listen and then have your say. If you have, you and me have seriously differing views...

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 6 p.m. CST

    Hr ripped off the Simpsons from the Jetsons

    by Smerdyakov

    and Futurama from "Wild Thing".

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Smerdyakov, not trying...

    by scaryskeleton

    to be argumentative, but Danny didn't actually do Futurama, Christopher Tyng did. And yes both themes sound like Jetsons and Wild Thing, but Matt Groening asked the composers when they met with him to base the sound and feeling of the themes they were to write on those very cues. They gave him what he wanted and at the same time wrote zingy little pieces of music in their own style.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 6:33 p.m. CST

    So, it's GROENING'S fault!!!!

    by Smerdyakov

    That fat fuck.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Batman 89 score already lifted from Wolfman

    by EdDWoodJr

    Elfman seems like a natural choice since the theme for Batman 89 had some similarities to the original Wolfman score, so he's most likely familiar with it already. So to people demanding he reprise the original Wolfman score rather than copying the Batman score, actually both options are pretty similar. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zFbYXDOuhw Check it out at 1:05.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 11:54 p.m. CST

    ScarySkeleton And OctagonProplex

    by Media Messiah

    "Duel" was great!!! That is Spielberg at his best and the reason he was hired to do "Jaws", it was to be "Duel" on, and in, the water...and like "Duel", it is a masterpiece. Early Spielberg gave us a feeling that some unseen force was behind the camera manipulating us, the way he, Spielberg, moved the camera, panning, trucking and cranning. Yes, it was a character, much like how Williams use to use his music...now that style, that sense of off camera mischief is all but gone from Spielberg films???<BR><BR>As for Williams, Jaws' music was everywhere when it came out, TV and Radio, you name it, the same with "Star Wars", "Close Encounters", "Superman", "Empire", "Raiders"...and "ET". People were even remaking most of those songs, back to back to back...but "Geisha", "Potter", "Catch Me If You Can", forget it??? Ask most people to hum or sing riffs from those scores and they can't, and they never did. That is the difference that I am talking about. When Williams was at his best, people did that, from adults to teens, and kids...they were rich melody's to sing, or bellow, like the scary deep bass cello theme from "Jaws".<BR><BR>In regards to Oingo Boingo, once they sold-out, doing happy non-offensive pop tunes in the mid 80s...I lost track of them and their music.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, midnight CST

    PS--OctagonProplex

    by Media Messiah

    If you can honestly get any of your family members or friends to hum any of those themes that your praised off the top of their heads, including Jurassic Park and A.I., Harry Potter, Catch Me If You Can, etc., the both of us would be shocked. But I won't argue the point, just look at the sales of the soundtracks, those that I named were huge for their time, but Williams' later scores, and people's interest in them was ho-hum.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 3:46 a.m. CST

    Paul Bucciarelli

    by jughood

    Lol, probably too late, but you are a fucking idiot. Don't call me a whiney brat because Andrew Kevin WAlker screenpalys mean a lot to me and I would like to see it done by a good director. you're just looking for someone to preach to and make wrong so you can be right. It's not a big deal, all I said was I was devestated and it wans't fair, not a big deal don't take it so seriously. And it IS a big deal. Movies mean a lot to me. Maybe not to you. We have different things that mean a lot to us. I would still get upset about losing a job for the boss's nephew, and I would also be upset about this, I can be upset about both. So just stop it.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 4:47 a.m. CST

    OctagonProplex

    by Media Messiah

    I agree with you about the new MTV generation, MySpace, FaceBook, Friendster, most of these people are into some terrible force fed trash like the Hills, Gossip Girl, The Kardasians, etc., and I know for a fact that Gossip Girl gets great hype but extremely low ratings, its within the bottom 5 shows on broadcast tv, but to hear the hype, you'd think it was a top show??? So why is it still on the air??? I think most of this stuff is government conditioning...from Gossip Girl to Hanna Montana and High School: The Musical, etc. All carry conflicting messages by design. The bad taste mascarading as virtue, that you are talking about. Ths is a socety that doesn't like to openly talk about sex, or encourage mating between save through the church. Hence, a shrinking of the populace of Americans born of this nation...and the same thing is happening to the Europeans. The nation is largely a puritan one, so we don't like to talk about the realities of life openly, thus it is given to us, in another way, and encouraged. Look at all those sex game shows on MTV??? Who are they selling that to but teenagers, stuff that would be considered racy for the Playboy Channel??? What they are really saying to teens is, go out and reproduce, become consumers as early Moms and Dads and help stmulate the economy. The more babies you make, the richer we become. Churches have been relyng on that for years, that's why they don't encourage birth control. The more babies their members have, the more tithing the churches get, and the more rich the churches are.<BR><BR>But that isn't the end of the bought and sold societal hypocrisy, no there's more. Hell, we have Common, Alicia Keys and Angelie Jolie (spellng?) claiming that they are for the betterment of the world, while gladly starring in violent movies??? Two of those folks, Alicia Keys and Common, have attacked the violence in rap music lyrics, yet they do and say worse in their movies, stuff that would put rappers to shame on any level of offensiveness???<BR><BR>My point is this, our society is falling apart because of this, the hypocrsy, the mixed messages, so on, and so forth. It seems like everything is a lie, like the world of The Matrix and the truth behind it all is being hidden from us, as nothing we are being sold as what normal life is supposed to be...seems to make any outward sense??? Case in point: Disney puts out children's entertainment, but everyone of their Disney Channel stars have suspiciously had sex scandals or revealing pictures of some sort published of them within the last year??? Seems like Disney wants it both ways...attract the youth and families to their product, using a wholesome image, but if their audience begins to think those acts are too clean, well, "We (Disney) can dirty them up, and sex their image up" while pretending to be shocked when what now appears to be a series of conveniently staged scandals hit the press. Thus, Disney has it both ways, they can appeal to families, claiming wholesomeness, while on the other hand, have the Lindsey Lohans, Hillary Duffs, Miley Cyrus' and Vanessa Hudgens (spelling?) of the Disney empire, seemingly casting sexualized jail bait laced images in order to make them seem cool to teens and dick tease their dads, pre-packaged Lolitas if you will. This fuels sells, it hasn't hurt them one bit. When you think about it, there is two tiers to selling these teens to audiences. One open, and the other subliminal...and all about selling sex...and we wonder why so many men are sleeping with underaged girls with this "Wink, wink, don't touch--but if nobody is looking, touch all you want!", mentality that is being suggested to them via the media.<BR><BR>MTV has been doing it for years, but Disney has had to watch others steal their former Mouseketeers and sell them that, from Britney to Christina, and Justin, etc. Now Disney is n the business of doing it themselves, throwing a rock of smut and hiding their hands.<BR><BR> To tell you the truth, I haven't seen Munich, although I have heard good things about it. I saw Schindler's List (spelling?) and Saving Private Ryan and was left wanting. If they had gone with the real story that Ryan was based on, they would have had a better film...and Schindler's List wanted to be a very special historical docu-drama but something was lost along the way? I can't place it, but it was lacking. I believe many people have given both films a free pass because of the subject matter and who directed it, still they didn't work for me. I have seen much better films on that era and the struggles of that time. War of The Worlds, while having great visuals (I still marvel how Spielberg did it), it was too means spirited, an allegory for 911, that forgot to entertain...zero humor, save for one crack, the rest was all doom and gloom.<BR><BR>Spielberg's latest Indy film lost it the moment they nuked the Friged. The movie went downhill from there. I think if Indy hid in the Ark, if it was written that the bad guys who were trapped in the nuke test town also stole that, the Ark, from Area 51, it would have worked, with a supernatural explanation for Indy's survival. Williams' scoring was boring, as was the scores for the Star Wars prequels. The scores were absent of any spirit and were strangely absent of melody and emotion. But back to the latest Indy film, exclusively. After all these years you'd think he'd give us something great and new other than just the expected reprise of the old, and great, theme...not that there is anything wrong with the old theme, but how about also adding something new to the proceedngs that is just as great to compliment it???

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 5:12 a.m. CST

    Amended: OctagonProplex

    by Media Messiah

    I agree with you about the new MTV generation, MySpace, FaceBook, Friendster, most of these people are into some terrible force fed trash like the Hills, Gossip Girl, The Kardasians, etc., and I know for a fact that Gossip Girl gets great hype but extremely low ratings, it's within the bottom 5 shows on broadcast tv, but to hear the hype, you'd think it was a top show??? So why is it still on the air??? I think most of this stuff is government conditioning...from Gossip Girl to Hanna Montana and High School: The Musical, etc. All carry conflicting messages by design. The bad taste mascarading as virtue, that you are talking about. This is a society that doesn't like to openly talk about sex, or encourage mating between young adults, or anyone for that matter, save through the church. Hence, a shrinking of the populace of Americans born of this nation...and the same thing is happening to the Europeans. The nation is largely a puritan one, so we don't like to talk about the realities of life openly, thus it is given to us, in another way, and encouraged. Look at all those sex game shows on MTV??? Who are they selling that to but teenagers, stuff that would be considered racy for the Playboy Channel??? What they are really saying to teens is, go out and reproduce, become consumers as early Moms and Dads and help stimulate the economy. The more babies you make, the richer we become, the government and corporations, et al. Churches have been relying on that for years, that's why they don't encourage birth control. The more babies their members have, the more tithing the churches get, and the more rich the churches are.<BR><BR>But that isn't the end of the bought and sold societal hypocrisy, no there's more. Hell, we have Common, Alicia Keys and Angelie Jolie (spellng?) claiming that they are for the betterment of the world, while gladly starring in violent movies??? Two of those folks, Alicia Keys and Common, have attacked the violence in rap music lyrics, yet they do, and say worse in their movies, stuff that would put rappers to shame on any level of offensiveness???<BR><BR>My point is this, our society is falling apart because of this, the hypocrisy, the mixed messages, and so on, and so forth. It seems like everything is a lie, like the world of The Matrix and the truth behind it all is being hidden from us, as nothing we are being sold as what normal life is supposed to be...seems to make any outward sense??? Case in point: Disney puts out children's entertainment, but everyone of their Disney Channel stars have suspiciously had sex scandals or revealing pictures, of some sort, published (of them) within the last year??? Seems like Disney wants it both ways...attract the youth and families to their product, using a wholesome image, but if their audience begins to think those acts are too clean, well, "We (Disney) can dirty them up, and sex their images up" while pretending to be shocked when what now appears to be a series of conveniently staged scandals hit the press. Thus, Disney has it both ways, they can appeal to families, claiming wholesomeness, while on the other hand, have the Lindsey Lohans, Hillary Duffs, Miley Cyrus' and Vanessa Hudgens (spelling?) of the Disney empire, seemingly casting sexualized jail bait laced images in order to make them seem cool to teens and dick tease their dads, pre-packaged Lolitas if you will. This fuels sells, it hasn't hurt them one bit. When you think about it, there is two tiers to selling these teens to audiences. One open, and the other subliminal...and all about selling sex...and we wonder why so many men are sleeping with underaged girls with this "Wink, wink, don't touch--but if nobody is looking, touch all you want!", mentality that is being suggested to them via the media. They are selling the forbidden fruit right under our collective noses and nobody is doing anything to stop it as most don't even know what is happening!!!<BR><BR>MTV has been doing it for years, but Disney has had to watch others steal their former Mouseketeers and sell the public that same forbidden fruit, from Britney to Christina, and Justin, etc. Now Disney is in the business of doing it themselves, throwing a rock of smut and hiding their hands, they get to play the role unwitting pimp now...the unwitting part giving them plausable deniability. "We didn't make Miley pose like that, blame Vanity Fair!"..."We didn't release, Vanessa Hudgens nude picks to the net, blame minor teen indiscretions and ignorance!" Really, I could go on!!!<BR><BR> To tell you the truth, I haven't seen Munich, although I have heard good things about it. I saw Schindler's List (spelling?) and Saving Private Ryan and was left wanting. If they had gone with the real story that Ryan was based on, they would have had a better film...and Schindler's List wanted to be a very special historical docu-drama but something was lost along the way? I can't place it, but it was lacking. I believe many people have given both films a free pass because of the subject matter and who directed it, still they didn't work for me. I have seen much better films on that era and the struggles of that time. War of The Worlds, while having great visuals (I still marvel how Spielberg did it), it was too means spirited, an allegory for 911, that forgot to entertain...zero humor, save for one crack, the rest was all doom and gloom.<BR><BR>Spielberg's latest Indy film lost it the moment they nuked the Friged. The movie went downhill from there. I think if Indy hid in the Ark, if it was written that the bad guys who were trapped in the nuke test town also stole that, the Ark, from Area 51, it would have worked, with a supernatural explanation for Indy's survival. Williams' scoring was boring, as was the scores for the Star Wars prequels. The scores were absent of any spirit and were strangely absent of melody and emotion. But back to the latest Indy film, exclusively. After all these years you'd think he'd give us something great and new other than just the expected reprise of the old, and great, theme...not that there is anything wrong with the old theme, but how about also adding something new to the proceedngs that is just as great to compliment it???