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Say It Five Times!! 'CANDYMAN Remake?' And He May Be A White Guy Now!!
Merrick here...
Shock Till You Drop sources says Sony is contemplating a remake of CANDYMAN.
Shock learned today Sony and the rights holder to the film franchise - which has spanned three installments - are mulling over plans to resurrect the hook-handed, pimp coat wearin' urban legend made famous by Tony Todd. It's all "early talks
...says THIS ARTICLE at Shock.
The original "Candyman" was played by Tony Todd, who further secured his place in the Geek lexicon by appearing on BABYLON 5, STARGATE SG-1, STAR TREKs NEXT GEN/VOYAGER/DEEP SAPCE NINE (different characters), 24, and more.
Apparently, some consideration has been given to making Candyman white. It's good to know even supernatural, urban legendy uberkillers are subject to franchise killing Political Correctness.
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But...he was a slave tortured and killed for sleeping with a white woman, wasn't he? so a white candyman makes less sense than Tomb of the Dragon Emperor
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Then realise it's a bad idea and drop it.
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How would they make him a white guy and have this franchise look even close to firmiliar? Todd's character being a slave was central to the story ...
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now it'll be some white dude who murdered some black dude and had some sorta curse put on him by the black dude's family or tribe. uh huh...i can see it, theme song by christina aguilera.
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I wants to see me a black man running around killing whitey. :)
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WHAT!? It was a silly horror film about a guy who got beaten as a slave, as well as attacked by bees, and killed. Isn't that a bit silly in the first place? This isn't 'No Country for Old Men', it's a horror film.
Meaning: They can do whatever the hell they like. Remake it shot for shot, adapt it, take only the idea...
this scared the shit out of me as a kid, and I'd love to see a remake (providing it also scares the shit out of people).
@catlettuce4: so, you are one of the people that forgot the mummy films made little to no sense in the film place but were good silly adventure jaunts? -
Aug 15, 2008 9:59:31 AM CDT
Nick Fury in Iron Man? And he may be a black guy now!!!
by iamjack'suserid
Wow, what a non-story. A remake of an awful generic slasher movie. Quit making the race-baiting headlines.
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Tomb of the Dragon Emperor is, without a doubt, the one that makes the least sense.
I didn't say I didn't like it, I was using it as an example of not-sense-making. Unless you were involved in the production of it I don't see what's crawled up your shitter and stung you in the colon -
Aug 15, 2008 10:02:12 AM CDT
I have really resisted it for a long time now, but I really must
by the eskimo
....these re-makes are really fucking starting to get to me. I literally just cringed when I thought of having to hear about this movie's production over the next year or so.
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he was like super white, locked in a cell for years. almost albino. then whipped or cut up like crazy. red and white stripes. this candyman is more of a peppermint stick. i bet he kills people with a cane.
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terrible ideas, but i'm betting that's how the remake goes.
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The original "Candyman" is one of the most perfect lower budget slasher flicks of all time. Do not fuck with the "Candyman."
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Was a very frightening film. I am going to post my original review soon.
flemmingonfilms.blogspot.com -
Aug 15, 2008 10:19:13 AM CDT
Next up: "ROOTS Remake?" And Kunta Khinte may be a white guy now
by johnny smith
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Why not make Jason a Mexican, MICHEL MYERS a midget, Freddy A French Women, The Blob Roseanne Barr, Aliens George Bush, and the guy from "I know what you did last summer",Rick Moranis
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Lets forget the sequels including the backstory. The original was scary and well-written. How much you want to bet they completely drop the character development and dark ending.
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"You want the shit?!".....classic
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Was one of the few horror films of the past twenty years that scared me. Frankly, I'd be fine with a sequel and bringing the original actor back. I never saw 2 or 3, but heard they were pretty crappy. Why not just write a good sequel?
The original actor was pretty creepy. -
Aug 15, 2008 10:25:52 AM CDT
Be sure to make the cop who fights him black, though.
by stalin vs predator
Also, keep in mind that the cop should crack stupid jokes every once in a while and should be Will Smith.
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Kevin Williamson of Scream fame and other lilly-white suburban fare, who mentioned that his only criticism of Candyman was that it wasn't in a suburban setting. Translation: IT WAS TOO BLACK! Like we're all starving for another generic pretty white teens in peril slasher movie. You gotta love these white chicago-bred film auteurs and their love for the status quo.
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really scared me, but had substance and everything, wonderful horror movie, would make a lovely double bill with Pan's Labyrinth now I come to think of it.
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Candyman is now a 50-year old skeevy gym teacher who kidnaps busty teenage girls who tell tales of urban legends, and very slowly sodomizes and butchers them in camera. All the viscera is captured by an unflinching camera. People call it an homage to exploitation films of the 70s, and I take a pass on the film and cue up Suspiria instead.
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To this day, whenever my sister is around, I can just start whispering "Candyman... Candyman..." And she'll freak out and beg me to stop. I don't think I ever saw the sequels, though. Making him white is fucking stupid. Todd deserves better than that.
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I can't remember. If she wasn't, she should have been.
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...is another word for "cowardice." By the way Merrick, thanks for the welcome dose of Sammy. How cool is it that when sips from that golden cup?
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or so I think. (set in the slums of England).
But even so, the original movie was very good (creepy, violent, nudity, Glass score), they should be talking Blu-ray release if anything. -
more like the original Clive Barker story, The Forbidden.
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By coincidence, I'm going to a horror con tomorrow to see Tony Todd, and now I have something to talk to him about!
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But he should play it in his black make-up.
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We thought we'd call him Dracula.
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The whole film you think he is white, and at the end you discover he was framed for the muders (just like Madsen's character in the original) and the real Candyman is a dead black guy (he has to die first in a horror film) laying in the floor of the room the entire movie. He gets up at the end, revealing his jigsaw, I mean bee tattoo.
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The original Barker short story the film is based on is set in Liverpool, if I'm not mistaken, and contains none of the whole "urban" aspect of the urban legend. No mention of him being black, nor any of the cliche "She is really the reincarnation of his long lost lover" ala Karloff's The Mummy, Dark Shadows, Fright Night, Coppola's Dracula, etc. So I'm not offended by the idea on a different take on the original story. Of course, any remake will still be unnecessary & likely not improve on the original (and even *that* film isn't exactly a classic).
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only now it's about a platypus.
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The Fly actually did get a recent remake. It is now an opera. Cronenberg was involed, but apparently the story was still changed.
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Talkbackers...that's what.
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I see the irony here.
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A phrase only useful for morons to justify their bigotry.
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But she was also covered in blood at the same time, so it sort of takes the romance out of it.
Seriously, they should leave this one alone. Candyman is a good story. They should come up with something else that ORIGINAL instead of raping the past. -
...I'm sure the white guy is possessed (did I spell it right?)by the original (Tony Todd) Candyman. Seems logical. Logic and Hollywood? What the fuck am I thinking?
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Aug 15, 2008 12:15:58 PM CDT
Since we're clearly not interested in the remake
by shut the fuck up donny
let's talk more about a nude Virginia Madsen:
She was nude, sans blood, in the tub, if I recall! -
...were white once upon a time...then they turned them black. Why can't they just stick to the source material. That's like if you had a white guy as Blade or a black guy as Batman. Stupid.
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... was great. Very scary for and well-done considering the budget. Todd's performance was one for the history books, I'd be skeptical that they'd be able to find someone better. Although, the intention may be just to make it a schlocky teenage horror movie and then it doesn't really matter who they cast.
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Unless they cast Kirk Lazarus as the Candyman...
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because that would make about as much sense as him being Kyle Reese and Chekov
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And call it Crackula.
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I know "political correctness" has been bastardized to the point of not having any meaning at all, but wouldn't it normally mean to have, say, one Asian cop, one Hispanic cop and one black cop all investigating Candyman for the sake of racial diversity? To take the one black horror icon (unless you count Blacula, Blackenstein and The Creature From the Black Black Lagoon) and make him white is the opposite of pc, isn't it?
But anyway, if this was true (which I kind of doubt it is) it would be a fuckin outrage. IamJacks maybe hasn't seen the movie in a long time but the racial context of the movie is central to its brilliance. A big part of what makes it scary and uncomfortable is having this white lady venture into Cabrini Green. So she has the fear of crime, of not being wanted or trusted there AND of a fuckin killer ghost. And bees. I guess maybe this could be the PC he's talking about, they could treat it like DEATH SENTENCE or something where they are dealing with fear of urban crime but their idea of criminals is a bunch of X-treme white dudes with tattoos. CANDYMAN had the balls to exploit the fears of white people in a poor black neighborhood. It treats the projects like an old horror movie treats a haunted house. And yes, Candyman turns out to be a murdered slave, which adds an element of white guilt to the horror and also gives him his sympathetic side just like Frankenstein's monster or some versions of Dracula.
The slave backstory becomes more important in the sequel and actually that's the main thing that's interesting about it even though it's not a great movie. But yes, Candyman's race is absolutely essential to the meaning and the success of the movie and what makes him (in his movie incarnation) a uniquely American horror icon.
But even if they didn't change that they shouldn't remake it anyway because you know they would use CGI bees, they wouldn't hypnotize the lead actress (they fuckin hypnotized her whenever she saw Candyman! For real!) and the direction just wouldn't be as classy as Bernard Rose.
If you haven't seen it in a long time I recommend it, it's a way better movie than I realized back in the day.
And anyway they should remake BONES with Snoop Dogg again but just make it a little better. -
Aug 15, 2008 12:46:10 PM CDT
If they remake this series, Hollywood needs to remake the follow
by mr slippy fist
Ghoulies, Troll, Return of the Living Dead, Puppet Master, Slumber Party Massacre, The Toxic Avenger, Class of Nuk'em High, I Spit on your Grave, Re-Animator, The Gate, Waxwork, Fright Night, and House.
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Does everything have to be remade? The original is only 15 years old. It was a pretty good flick. Not great, but whatever.
Hey, why not cast Robert Downey Jr.?
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In today's climate, there is no way a studio would risk making a movie that places a black guy as a demonic villain, who's only killing white people.You would get negative reactions from both sides.You'd have some white people complaining about all the white people being the bad guys, while you'll have some black people complaing that the only black character is a monster.I think they should leave the movie alone, but if they don't stay true to the original.
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Just saw you posted that too...
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Shame he had to sacrifice his life in the name of a quickly abandonned spinoff. On a side note, I always wished they followed up on a sequel with Helen as the new Candyman.
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It's been a long ass time since I've seen Candyman, so I'm trying to remember what the hell the deal with the bees is. Did angry parents tie him to a beehive so the bees could kill him for molesting their kids? Oh wait, that was Freddy Krueger.
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Holds up great, had actual talented actors, nudity, gore, good story. Ok,not a "classic" but certainly a top horror flick. It goes without saying that the remake would be a PG 13 movie with pretty people dying mildly and would not be aimed at anyone who would ever consider posting on this site.
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Aug 15, 2008 1:21:36 PM CDT
wasn't Candyman white in the original Clive Barker story?
by hypeendshere
maybe not, but i remember when the original came out i thought, "that's weird. he's black"
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He had his hand cut off, was covered in honey (hence "candyman") and a swarm of bees from the five cover him and sting him to death.
That's what his deal with the bees is. In movieland, being killed by something gives you control over it (must be pretty sweet dying of skin cancer in movieland. I CONTROL THE SUN!!!") -
The thing that creeps me out most is the plot point of Virginia Madsen going over to the dark side
WHEN SHE'S A PERFECTLY NICE PERSON!!! Screwing around with, no
thank you. Big screen RE RELEASE,
absolutely. BTW, the toilet scene is not a coincidence IMO. They were commenting on Helen's plus-size ass. (I just happened to be watching this yesterday. . .) -
Knowing is half the battle. Now I need to figure out where Mr. Burns got hounds with bees in their mouth. Would be cool to have some hounds that can shoot bees at you when they bark...
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because of Sammy Davis Jr. and that song.
WHO CAN TAKE A HOOKER?
FILL HER UP WITH BEES?
WHO WILL GET YOU WITH HIS HOOK
FOR MURDERING HIS SQUEEZE
THE CANDYMAN
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I could care less about than Candyman, imo it is the poster child for direct-to-video quality horror, but really...remaking a movie and changing the main character from a black guy to a white guy just doesn't look good. It's like...we want him to be SCARY but not like...dating your daughter scary...
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...that he was white in the original Clive Barker story?
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an entertaining film that spawned a bunch of DTV titles, but not exactly a classic. The only trouble with remakes like this is in a year from now, if you want to rent "Candyman" at your local Blockbuster or Mom-and-Pop store, you'll just find the remake and not the original. Had that problem with The Hitcher...
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John Carpenter's The Thing was a remake...
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At last! Free from the even dead black men want white women saga! Please remake this movie! I give the studio a whole hearted endorsement to completely recreate this trash in a new image.
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I tell you what, I'll accept them making him white as 'being true to the source material' as long as they also set it in Liverpool. Not bloody likely.
These creatively braindead turds in suits are really starting to piss me off with their endless remakes. Do they sit around in their offices all day randomly picking titles out of old issues of Fangoria? The original was fine, easily one of the best mainstream horrors of the 90s: good story, good cast, well made, not too reliant on gore but not pussified either and it had a cameo from Ted Raimi as biker dude (!?). What more do you want? -
then hopefully they'll cast a sista' to be his obsession...And hopefully with lots' of nudity ala the 70's blaxploitation era. Can y'all envision Meagan Good in the "SISTA' IN PERIL" role being pursued by Eminem or Kid Rock in the title role - CLASSIC! The studios need me!
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Would be better, banjos can be terrifying...
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Why remake a perfectly good horror movie from the 80's. Candyman was atmostpheric, scary and beautifully shot. It's not as if the movie is dated. I understand some remakes. Now, don't get me wrong, itt's not as if the film is a cinematic masterpiece but there is no way the material, the concept can be improved on. The original was almost an excercise in "how can we take trash and give it class?" It worked.
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Operatic and beautiful.
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Will be remade with Shia LeBababooey in the Brandon Adams role, A J Langer will be nowhere to be seen, and the Ronnie and Nancy duo will now be an Obama and the missus duo. The perverted incestual abusive overtones will still be there, but it's all change! The villains are now black, and the hero is now a white twat! It's so braaaaave!
CANDYMAN is a near-perfect horror movie for how fucking disturbing it gets at times. Touching this in any way would be almost as dumb as thinking you could remake John Carpenter's THE FOG.
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You made tea come out through my nose. You can;'t breathe tea while you're pissing yourself laughing, apparently.
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Is the horror film dead? Remaking When a Stranger Calls, Halloween, TCM, and soon Friday the 13th and Nightmare on Elm St. And everything else is pretty fucking derivative of J-horror films (lanky, pale girls with long black hair as antagonists). Let's just stop this shit, okay? They think they're giving us something new and innovative when it's the same old shit they're flooding the market with. It's kind of sad that Saw is probably the most inventive *American* horror franchise in the last decade. I emphasize "American" because I doubt more than 1/20 Americans have actually watched the Pang Bros original The Eye which is at most VERY creepy but miles above Jessica Alba(albawtf?!). I'll keep saying it...LARGE SCALE RE-RELEASES would make a lot of money. In the next 20 years people will be completely unaware of remakes as they'll have already forgotten what exactly is being remade. Film should be preserved in the theater and not just in the dollar bin at WalMart.
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Seriously, Deep Sapce was the best show ever.
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make michael a latino...make frankensteins monster asian...and make me a mother fuckin sandwich
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It's a dude, playin a dude, pretending to be a dude.
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CandyPerson?
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Aug 15, 2008 8:23:39 PM CDT
It's not Political Correctness, it's white-washing gentrificatio
by baked
Got to put that white face on the poster to sell more tickets.
Anyway, the whole "slave-era miscegenation" backstory was a novel twist. What the hell would they do now to explain it, have a white guy chasing around black women? -
I don't get this shit. First I hear that Hellraiser is being remade and now this? Why??? Especially when some of us want to see an ORIGINAL Barker adaptation in Midnight Meat Train! Why remake Barker movies when an original doesn't get national distribution? Nevermind the usual reasons for saying "fuck off" to a remake, this doesn't make fiscal business sense. Unless someone thinks, "hey, the Candyman series made okay money, so let's remake it so we don't have to call it a sequel".
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They're going to have a hard time finding someone to replace Tony Todd as Candyman. He brought a certain weight to the character that's going to be hard to recreate. Definitely, if they make Candyman a white dude, that's going to be a clear single that they're going to have no interest in the character or the mythology other than as a gimmick or "whose existing brand equity can be revitalized by creatively leveraging new ideation" or some crap.
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clear signal, that is
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Give the Chinese their day. Candyman was a "Chinaman" from the old west. He was trapped in a mine when the entrance caved in. Maybe he leads an army of dead miners made from stone who plague Brandon Fraiser and...oh. Wait. Nevermind.
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I'm not even going to pay any mind to this remake. The original candyman is such a perfect horror film. It's always part of my October horror film schedule. And the horror industry isn't dead but movies that try to be original don't even get a theatrical release nowadays. Midnight Meat Train had such a shitty release. I live in Chicago and couldn't even see it. Also Trick R' Treat has still not seen the light of day. If they would have marketed that film and released it in October, I'm sure it will be pretty successful. The trailer was so sweet. Love the idea about sticking with the modern traditions of Halloween. And even the Rocky Horror wanna-be, Repo: The Genetic Opera looks fun. And there's talks about a very limited release of that. There's so much good stuff out there that isn't being given a chance.
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White bitch was crazy to venture into the projects like that.
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Either it's PC because the black guy isn't the villain or it's un-PC because the white man stole a black role. In other words, someone's going to get pissed either way.We're a helluva lot more uptight about race than we were 20 years ago.
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EXPERIMENT: I got no clue what you're talking about there bud, what's this friday the 13th shit you're caught up in? Spell it out for me.
BILBO: Yeah, the short story took place in Liverpool and had candy in it. The movie added depth and a much more original setting and historical context for a horror story. I'm sure Barker likes his story better but he admits the movie was a great "reimagining" or whatever you want to call it. And if you think they're gonna adapt the story and not make a movie about an American guy with bees I think you are mistaken.
SPYMUNK: I got no idea how I pushed your button there bud. I never denied any of that shit you just ranted about. I still think taking away a great black character is less politically correct than having a black killer. But I guess it depends on your interpretation of the politics of the day, which is why the whole business of labeling anything you disagree with PC tends to get stupid. -
The best course of action for the industry in La La Land right now is for it to come out waving a white flag and declaring that "Yup we all outta original ideas folks". Nothing, I repeat nothing wrong with the original Candyman movie as for ALL the other remakes in recent years. I look into the abyss and Hollywood looks back.
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This is an OUTRAGE! Tony Todd gotta eat!
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Remake The Forbidden, where Candyman came from. Do it like it is in the book... that short story is one of the few things that has ever seriously given me the chills.
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My PRESIDENT is BLACK!
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Yeah, regardless of what would drive them to make Candyman white (PC-ness, desire to recast Candyman with that guy from High School Musical, or whatever), I just think that the character is likely to suffer, because his blackness is part of the whole backstory and subtext. Unless they have some really cool, original idea in mind--which I think is unlikely when you look at the quality of the current spate of remakes--it just seems like it's going to be a watered down, quick cash-in type deal.
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They should get Robert Downey Jr. to play Tony Todd. I just saw "Tropic Thunder", and I'm POSITIVE it could work.
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he was brown like chocolate?
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Even the trailer is better than all of the rehashed garbage that H'wood is shitting out. FUCK! TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSARCE was fucking weak compared to the o.g. version. HALLOWEEN was a joke and I won't EVEN dignify the rest of the trash that came out; not to mention the remakes of Friday 13th(its gettting Bayified) and Nightmare on Elm Street. Shit! Nothing is sacred any more! Just because its a well established movie, DOES NOT mean that it needs a fucking remake! There are tons of sucky ass movies that really do need a remake--go for those! Especially not horror movies! Those movies stand up becasue of the time that they were made and when they came out! There is NO FUCKING WAY! a remake would even come close to the o.g. CANDYMAN! Regardless of the original story, it was Clive Barker himself that twiked the story and it worked! CANDYMAN gave the horror comunity another horror icon to fear. But these day, hell even getting a DECENT horror movie with an original idea is near impossible to make becasuse those damn suits don't have faith that the people will actually LIKE something new and fresh! Hell, its better to go to Micky D's than to try out a new places to eat, right?! WRONG! In horror, people are fucking STARVING for new stuff, not classic stuff just bastardized just for general consumption! Horror movies are RATED R! No PG or PG-13, a fucking R! Why? Because there're scary, gory and fucking packed with sex and violence. At least that's how they WERE! Nowadays, it for the fucking masses! Fuck the masses! If its a horror movie make it for those people! There are way too many fucking movies that are aimed for the general public. The last horror movie that I can rememberthat actually was good and put the shivers on me was THE GRUDGE and SAW that was what, 2004/2005! Its too long to go without a good horror. Sucktastic sequals don't count in my book!Don't Fuck with Classic Horror Moives! Shit! I HATE WHOREWOOD!
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In his Books of Blood short story *The Forbidden* Candy man is like a wild haired ,living corpse in a multi-coloured patchwork coat.He orange hair{possibly dreadlocked } had yellowed skin, pink eyes and blue lips .More of a sinister Harleyquin figure.{I always pictured him as an undead version of Gary oldman in True Romance!}The point of the story was that he was *rumour* made flesh.It was set on a liverpool housing estate and interacial shenanigans didn't come into it.He was never a slave ,and apparently never even human as such ...just a nightmare come to life.There was none of this look into the mirror and say his name five times business either.Though he did have the hook hand and bees.{ he had honey coming from his mouth!}This was one of my favourite Barker stories .When I heard toni Todd was cast in the original ..I thought ok ..he's a decent actor I wonder how he's going to look under all the make-up.Surprise! he looked like toni todd in a pimp coat!
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...Tom Cruise. I'm sure the Clive Barker story is cool in its own right, and if that is what they were doing, I would be okay with that. But my guess is that this remake is not motivated by a desire to tell "the real story" or whatever. It's going to be some warmed over Saw XII junk.
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That we all know if you said his name five times he would immediately appear and butcher you - however if you said it seven times he would take a rainbow, wrap it in a sigh
Soak it in the sun and make a groovy lemon pie.Of course that never happened because as soon as you got to number five he would butcher you. It was this frustration at never being able to bake a lemon pie that added to his anger! -
the original was treated as a companion piece to the short story.If areas of dsperation and lack of hope each collectively created their own Candyman.So, they'd take their own urban myth and believe in it so much that it came true - so, set this one in another city and we have another Candyman.Just ignore the sequels because they were crap!
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Are there still bees in New Orleans?
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or milkman or whatever.
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Billy Bob Thornton as the Milkman. Already sounds spooky to me.
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All right, for once we agree. Candyman is dope. On the other hand, although Virginia Madsen becoming Candymanish would have been more faithful in terms of continuity, I don't know that it would have worked very well as a film. Also, I think what you see with Candyman becoming more the center of the sequels is that same classic formula you saw with Freddy Krueger and numerous others. He starts out in the shadows with relatively little screen time, which is part of what makes him genuinely menacing. Then they draw him out of the shadows and make him essentially the main character and only source of continuity across the films; and the more you see him, the more he talks, the less scary he is.
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are actually gullible enough to believe that Candyman is race flexible? Of course, he'll be a black dude. You've been baited and reeled-in; it's all a cheap p.r. stunt to hype a low budget movie. Sheesh...
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Clarence Williams 3 (TALES FROM THE HOOD) is my favoirite Satan (next to Walter Houston and Al Pacino).
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has to be dave grohl in pick of destiny!
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Would've been a more appropriate name for the original movie villain.
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Viggo Morgenson (sp) in The Prophecy. He was pretty damn creepy. Another cool Satan was the dude in that Snoop Dogg short film Murder Was the Case.
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And they'll never beat the original score. Philip Glass wrote THE best horror movie score there and they'd be fools to try to do better.
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