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Now it's Quint's turn to give his thoughts on THE CLONE WARS!

Published at: Aug. 15, 2008, 5:41 a.m. CST by quint

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with my own thoughts on Warner’s upcoming THE CLONE WARS, the newest STAR WARS title to hit the big screen. And I’ve been sitting here watching the craziness go down with the embargo thrown at Harry biding my time writing my own review to post this morning. I’m not a fan of the prequels. Anybody who reads the site even on a semi-regular basis probably knows this about me by now. I was like many of you when I first saw THE PHANTOM MENACE. My mind was reeling. I couldn’t comprehend a STAR WARS movie I didn’t like. I tried to explain why I felt odd about it, tried to make excuses for why it didn’t work. But no matter what I did, I kept going back to that same sinking feeling I felt after the opening crawl when the Neimoidians first spoke as Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan’s ship approached the warship. That record-player being unplugged mid-song slow dropping of the goofy grin that was on my face. I give Lucas credit for handling the emperor’s storyline well until the clumsy, awkward reveal in REVENGE OF THE SITH, I give him credit for creating an aesthetic that is instantly recognizable with the prequels, but unfortunately that aesthetic is one that I don’t particularly like. That said, I did love Genndy Tartakovsky’s short CLONE WARS cartoons, but even then I said “Why wasn’t this character work in the movies? Why weren’t any of the these battles in the movies?” So, anything relating to the prequels for me isn’t exactly my cup of tea, but I don’t have the anger towards them that I used to. I went into THE CLONE WARS cartoon hoping to enjoy it in the same way I was able to enjoy the Cartoon Network version… accepting of the flaws, but enjoying the spectacle. I repeat, I did not go into this wanting to hate it. Tallboy in talkback, I know you don’t believe this, but I do love Star Wars, which is why I can’t give it a pass when it fails me. I have an original 3-sheet of A New Hope that is waiting while I save up to get it linen backed. To my immediate left as I type this I have a framed 1-sheet for THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK. I love Star Wars. That’s why it’s so painful to me when I see stuff like THE CLONE WARS. Listen, I believe Dave Filoni when he says this was his dream job, that he’s a Star Wars fanatic that got to be a big part of something that is now officially Star Wars canon, but don’t you for one second think that means he’s taking this story seriously. I’m sure as a job he was serious as a heart attack, but the tone is what I’m talking about. THE CLONE WARS animated movie has every thing you hate about the prequels turned up to 11. The cuteness, the modern slang somehow injected, zero teeth and people standing still over a holoboard spending 3 minutes discussing politics when the important information in the conversation could have been said in three lines. Just like the prequels I like the overall story… Anakin having to take on a young girl as an apprentice, someone who challenges him to be a good teacher and a better man. I’m all for anything that makes Anakin more likable, thus making his fall more tragic. I’m sure down the line this story won’t end happily. However, it’s in the execution that I begin to have some problems. Ashley Eckstein voices the teenage apprentice, Ahsoka, but it was clear someone with power wanted Miley Cyrus. She spews out teenage slang, using a modern typical teenage girl tone. I think I about rolled my eyes out of their sockets the moment she first called Anakin “Sky-Guy” which became his nickname for the entire movie. And don’t get me started on the farting baby Jabba or the Truman Capote Hutt character that is so shockingly horrible he almost swings all the way around and back into awesome. I also think they cockblocked themselves sandwiching this movie into a storyline we already know. We know that the lightsaber duels with Asajj Ventress will end in a draw because we’ve seen the end of her story in another cartoon. We know that Dooku’s not going to win in any major way, we know that Padme will be fine when she falls into danger. And the animation isn’t feature film quality. I’m sorry. It’s fine for TV and I’m sure I’ll give the next few episodes a look-see when they air to see if they play better on the small screen, but as for feature film it just doesn’t cut it. The mind boggles at the thought of someone like Brad Bird or Andrew Stanton doing a Wall-E level Jedi story someday… Maybe a Knights of the Old Republic story or something that takes place in the future, in a galaxy that hasn’t been so well mined. On the positive side, I still dig the character of Asajj Ventress and they got Christopher Lee to come back to voice Dooku, which is never bad. And if all you need to get off is lightsaber action, then you’ll get that. Other than the impressive wall climb action sequence, though, there’s nothing to write home about, just a lot of noise. I admit I can be a bit jaded as a viewer now, so I kept a close eye on the family sitting in front of me, noticing their movements. The young kids made lightsaber movements (even during the blaster fights with the clone troopers and yet another wave of droids) and then the second the action stopped they were fidgeting, walking two or three seats over to talk with their friends. I guess I don’t give this movie a pass and have never accepted “Well, it’s just a kid’s movie” excuse for the prequels because making a family film or a kid’s film that can engage adults isn’t impossible. The original trilogy is like that for my family. My stepdad and mom were just as big of Star Wars fans as I was. The Pixar films aren’t just for a sub-6 year old crowd. Here’s to hoping that the upcoming Star Wars live action TV show and the new episodes of the Clone Wars take a different path and can breathe some life into this universe again. Or at least can get people like me reinvested in that galaxy far, far away. -Quint quint@aintitcool.com



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  • Aug. 15, 2008, 5:48 a.m. CST

    Star Wars needs to go away for awhile

    by KnightShift

    It's become like Star Trek did: the field has been planted too damned many times. Let it drop out of sight for awhile, and replenish the nutrients.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 5:48 a.m. CST

    Cloned Wars: All Lucased Up!

    by TheJake

    The Clone Wars cartoon was TOO good... so Lucas had to come in and add some lame dialogue and fart jokes.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 5:58 a.m. CST

    the movie franchise is dead : its all in the gaming now

    by Mr_X

    the startrek MMORPG universe is going online. wait until the star wars universe does the same thing.lucas has painted himself in a corner with the movies,

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 6:11 a.m. CST

    Ten years ago I never would've predicted...

    by Finding Forrestal

    ...that I'd willingly opt out of seeing a new Star Wars film. It just goes to show you how royally Lucas fucked up his legacy.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 6:18 a.m. CST

    YB, I believe it was Mori who pointed out...

    by Finding Forrestal

    ...that it was like watching a "real world" film in which there were tons of shots of people parking cars, pulling into garages, etc. I never thought of it like that until he brought it up and now I can't look past it. Seriously, what the fuck was Lucas thinking?

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 6:21 a.m. CST

    This film needs Hitler

    by Nice Mr Death

    World Wars Revenge of the Nazis

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 6:24 a.m. CST

    Car Wars, Attack of the Cones

    by Nice Mr Death

    That would be better

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 6:25 a.m. CST

    Characters fates known in a prequel...

    by Desmondo

    Sure, we know Anakin and Padme, etc won't die, but isn't this the case with most prequels? We know characters fates, we just want to know their backstory. <p> When The Hobbit comes out is it valid to rip on it because we know Bilbo, Gandalf etc aren't going to get killed by the big dragon?

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 6:25 a.m. CST

    R.I.P Star Wars

    by Captain RawBeard

    Star Wars is dead to me. 1977 - 1999. my thoughts go out to all the fans who lost that something special.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 6:26 a.m. CST

    waaaah curses

    by roxyprime

    i really know it will suck, but i still want to see it....like i know i will buy the blu-rays of OT once they come out. damn you lucas....i don't want to give him a dime...but but but my star wars geekery is too overpowering. i can't believe that they have done more crappy hutts though, i mean after the extra special edition jabba was SOOOooo well recieved!! hah hah hah he stamped on his tail...oh just shoot me!

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 6:27 a.m. CST

    Zzzzzz

    by Dr Eric Vornoff

    Really, does anybody give a rat's ass about Star Wars anymore? Granted, I was only ever a casual fan of the OT but the thought of watching anymore of Lucas' boring twaddle fills me with the kind of loathing that usually only an impending Scriptgirl talkback can bring on.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 6:27 a.m. CST

    Lucas Wars, The Phantom Chin

    by Nice Mr Death

    Where George has to search for his missing chin. It's just one long neck!

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 6:30 a.m. CST

    it's safe to say liking the prequels is a character flaw

    by IndustryKiller!

    At this point, since the arguments against them are now definitive and havent ever been properly challenged, that if you are still on board with the Prequels one of two things is happening, either you're a simpleton or your love for the OT has clouded you completely to the point that nothing you say on the subject of star wars can be taken seriously or tolerated in meaningful conversation. It amazes me that anyone who claims to "love" star wars and therefore the Prequels can be blind enough to disregard that they are actively championing the wholesale bastardization of everything that ever made star wars beautiful.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 6:30 a.m. CST

    I don't get it.

    by weebay

    Why does Lucas keep telling the same story over and over again. We already know about the Clone Wars. We know how it ends. Move the *@*!# on!

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 6:37 a.m. CST

    plant

    by semisaj

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 6:42 a.m. CST

    Be careful Quint!

    by afraidoffans

    According to Mori and some of the TB's who believe him, Lucas takes bad reviews of his work on AICN very personally indeed. There could be embargos, Skywalker visitation rights removed and Stormtroopers going around to your house and sticking a blaster up your night dress if you're not careful!

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 6:48 a.m. CST

    There's something about Star Wars that makes directors turn out

    by geraldbeans

    I mean seriously. I was watching the extended preview for The Force Unleashed, and listened while the director passionately described his "awesome" idea for when Darth Vadar goes searching for someone, and then walks into a room, has his lightsaber whisked away from him - then turns around to see who took it and finds out... IT WAS BY A FUCKING BABY! A baby stole Darth Vadar's lightsaber!!! Undermining the power of the greatest bad guy in history by having a fucking baby in a video game steal his lightsaber is awesome... how??

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 6:51 a.m. CST

    War is Hell

    by Mr Gorilla

    I've said this before but I'll say it again. One thing I liked about the prequels is that, in Eps 2 and 3 anyway, the battles were HORRIBLE. People got killed, it was nasty stuff. That shit at the end of Clones and beginning of Sith was too intense to be funny. And it made me think how seriously Lucas was taking it. His battle scenes are exiting but never 'fun' - apart from the two worst entries, 1 (gungans doing silent film routines in mid-battle) and 6 (everyone making jokes throughout, forgetting that this is the crucial battle that the whole thing has been leading up to). OK, now. All that being said: WHY THE HELL IS LUCAS PUTTING OUT A FILM THAT'S BY ALL ACCOUNTS 90% ACTION, AND MAKING IT A 'FUN' THING FOR KIDS???? What the HEYLL???

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 6:53 a.m. CST

    In writing that post, I discovered what I hate about Eps 1 and 6

    by Mr Gorilla

    They make out war to be fun, to be funny, to be a joke.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 6:53 a.m. CST

    That's about what I expected.

    by rbatty024

    I was telling myself I would see this movie just because I love the Star Wars universe, even if I dislike (to put it kindly) the prequels. Unfortunately, after this review I think I'm just going to stay away. Maybe I'll catch this on television.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 7:02 a.m. CST

    My 3-year old Loves SW. I'm hope it keeps his attention.

    by Alice Cooper Stalker

    Quint, thanks for the observation about how the kids in the audience we reacting. It's just as I expect my kid to react. I'm gonna have to bring some fruit chews into the theater to get my kid to sit still during the poltical speeches. Drats!!

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 7:10 a.m. CST

    Hate to say this...

    by Gungan Slayer

    But I wasn' expecting this movie to be that good in a way, shape of form. I knew it was going to suck, but now that I know it does indeed suck it's like I'm depressed or something. As I type this, my Return of the Jedi: Special Edition poster stands above me. My Clear and Present Danger one sheet poster is to my right, and an X-Files 2 and Kite Runner poster stand to my left.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 7:16 a.m. CST

    STOP FUNDING LUCAS!

    by romanocc

    Come on guys, this is pure shit, I saw a special on The Clone Wars on G4 last night. The only people I can see going to this are parents with kids under 10 years old, but any guy who over the age of 18 and goes see this deserves all they get now in the SW universe, more shit. If this movie tanks, Lucas will finally realize that SW fans want quality, but if it makes a zillion dollars this weekend, then he will keep churning out and wont think twice. Send Lucas a message, if you put out shit, we won't come.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 7:39 a.m. CST

    What really kills Star Wars is...

    by alienindisguise

    the seemingly limited vocabulary in that universe. That's what makes the characters wooden. But Lucas has never given respect to the written word which is way the last decade of Star Wars has sucked balls

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 7:39 a.m. CST

    Hellboy 2 is meh WARNING spoilers

    by semisaj

    Watched it last night..I'm sorry to say it was slightly bland. Don't know where to start on this. Some of the sets are terrible especially the Troll Market...it does actually look like a set, like its being filmed in studio. The jokes are unfunny there is one crappy joke that made me want to punch the screen. A baby is attached to another being (a blatant rip off from a character from Total Recall) and it says its a tumour...get fucked. Then there is a scene that is basically a rip off from a John Woo Movie (Hard Boiled) with Hellboy carrying a baby through an action sequence..it is crap honestly it bored the shit out of me. Abe's choices he makes over love are just crap and don't make sense for how his character has been established in the other movie and in this one..it just feels tacked on for the sake of making his character have something different to do. From the moment we find out that Prince Nuada (the main bad guy) and his twin sister Princess Nuala have got a major connection that equals if one is hurt the other feels it, we know that one killing the other is the way that this film will end for them. Terrible film directed badly, acted well. some really dodgy CGI and the fight scenes are as bad as Blade 2...especially Hellboy hiding between all the cogs when he faces off against Nuada...as for the Golden Army they dont really do anything in the film...I think we may have problems for the Hobbit

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 7:40 a.m. CST

    Star Wars MMORPG

    by Pageiv

    It's already out, I used to play it until a commitee decided it would be better without non-combat jobs. The mjor fault I had with the prequals, though liked them as a whole, was that it seemed he tried to please everyone, give everyone something he or she would like, in the end no one was completely satisfied, much like in politics, and sex.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 7:44 a.m. CST

    I remember back in the early days of Star Wars

    by jae683

    and Lucas gave an interview (to who I can't exactly remember) and he basically said that he wanted to create an American Mysthology. In a sense, that's exactly what he did with the orginal Star Wars trilogy. Somewhere along the line, though, he lost sight of that and started marketing these movies to kids. Darth Vadar/Anakin should have been a tragidy. What a waste of a story-line. What a waste of a great set-up. Ah, well.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 7:49 a.m. CST

    I bathe in the tears of Lucas

    by Nabster

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 7:49 a.m. CST

    Someone said it in one of the other TB's...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    ...Why don't they just use the arc from the three Timothy Zahn novels, from the early 90's?<p> There are some very good characters in those books (Thrawn and C'Baoth for starters, not to mention the introduction of Mara Jade); and the story arc is better than the prequels.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 8:05 a.m. CST

    Let's blame Iraq on Lucas

    by afraidoffans

    Makes sense!

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 8:10 a.m. CST

    Doesn't Aintitcool...

    by Ghostball

    have the connection to actually get the Bearded one onto this site and actually talk to us? Our questions could be entirely mediated, like the ones forwarded to Stallone. <p>I would trust in Harry that some really crucifying, incontrovertibly hard-hitting stormers would slip through among the mandatory obsequious bullshit that Lucasfilm PR would insist George be handed. <p>In the spirit of this, I will pitch two to get this started - the first will be all nice like - worthy of Rick 'Yes George, No George, Three Bags Full George' McCallum himself: <p>George - thanks for the OT: It was special. Blessings upon your head. <p>George: Why? Why, oh why, God WHY??? You're raping my (etc etc)

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 8:14 a.m. CST

    Brad Bird and Andrew Stanton

    by Cysquatch

    wouldnt lower themselves to work on this now embarrassing franchise. Thats like willingly going from the major leagues to the minor leagues. Star Wars needs to be out to pasture.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 8:19 a.m. CST

    sw is over!

    by ironic_name

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 8:32 a.m. CST

    you knew it sucked when

    by palewook

    the studio wouldn't allow early reviews.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 8:40 a.m. CST

    Star Wars died a long time ago in a Galaxy we live in

    by spiral115

    The fact is George Lucas got old. It happens. You get old and you wonder why it is more and more difficult to understand the young people around you. Yeah, some of the motivations are the same (we are all homo sapiens) but the environment around us really does mold us to some extent. The world move on and Lucas did not. To his credit he brought in new folks to try and breath life into a something that he could no longer grasp. He wanted to speak to the audience, but the audience is all about American Idol, So You Think You Can Dance, and wanting to look"hawt". We live in a culture that no longer values intellect. We live in a culture that is all about "ME". The idea of sacrifice means that your hero may not be around for you to take fashion tips off of. The culture has changed. Star Wars (the original one) really does not speak to the "ME-ness" of now. There are toys to sell, cute sound bytes to digest. Who needs substance? Star Wars is from a galaxy far far away and only a few can understand that ancient culture.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 8:45 a.m. CST

    I sense Harry and Quint watched a unique version of Genndy's Clo

    by NinjaRap

    The clear giveaway is when Quint says "Why wasn’t this character work in the movies?" Because anyone who's ever seen Genndy's Clone Wars knows that there was no character work at all in those damn things.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 8:54 a.m. CST

    Thank You!

    by RobotDevil007

    I hate it when defenders say "my kid loved it". The original tirilogy was beloved by people of all ages (Im giving Jedi a pass here, but yeah, i know). The prequels and this new schmeg are pure kiddie fare... aimed at the same audience that would be completely entertained by fart noises.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 8:56 a.m. CST

    There's time to save it: "Star Wars vs Star Trek: The Movie"

    by Stalin vs Predator

    What a tremendous idea, Uwe! It will work, and all we need to do it is 2 billion dollars and Bret Rattner.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 8:58 a.m. CST

    I'm stealing this line....

    by www.valiens.com

    "...so shockingly horrible he almost swings all the way around and back into awesome."

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 9:04 a.m. CST

    **I WAS IT**

    by Rick Flemming

    Pure concentrated drivel. THe mouths moved out of synch, the vlume was to low, and the lasers hurt my eyes... Come on Lucas, where's "Another American Graffitti". That I would see. flemmingonfilms.blogspot.com

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 9:05 a.m. CST

    **I MEANT 'I SAW IT'**

    by Rick Flemming

    If I WAS it, I would commit suicide.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 9:06 a.m. CST

    **I meant VOLUME**

    by Rick Flemming

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 9:06 a.m. CST

    **I meant VOLUME**

    by Rick Flemming

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 9:12 a.m. CST

    Lucas was done creatively after Raiders (1981)

    by Dick Bahls

    I wish everyone who's still complaining about Lucas would wake up and realize he hasn't done anything that was really good since Raiders. Right after that his wife cheated on him & left him for some other dude. That may have had a great impact on him, as from that point on he was only interested in developing the technology side of films, and it shows. Clone Wars should not be seen by anyone over the age of 12, unless you're bringing your kid. Get lives, and stop complaing about the obvious. You all should have jumped down Lucas' goitered neck back in '83 when he almost practically ruined Jedi. Next time you assholes are at a convention, if you want to do something about all this, and you see that little troll Lucas sends around to push his toys, Steven Sanshit, heckle him while he's talking about taking your money for this overpriced replica crap, and tell him to go fuck himself.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 9:14 a.m. CST

    FOUR reviews of this crap?

    by Mockingbird Girl

    Wise up, guys. A more sensible way to respond to this embargo would have been to not review it AT ALL rather than quadrupling the coverage.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 9:21 a.m. CST

    With you every step of the way Quint!

    by andyman3000

    George Lucas doesn't have the heart of Star Wars as he once did, he's a freackin' billionaire and I genuinly feel that the whole process in just a money making scheme. He's exploiting the franchise. I for one would not like the Star Wars sega to end but bringing an animated version to the big screen is just plain wrong.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 10:06 a.m. CST

    The only way the live action TV show won't suck...

    by zacdilone

    ...will be if Lucas keeps his hands off of it and if it's set between the prequels and the original trilogy.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Why is anyone taking this film seriously, anyway?

    by BenBraddock

    I mean come on! It's a purely commercial excercise, what did anyone expect? Especially after eps 1-3.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 10:20 a.m. CST

    On the subject of "getting lives"

    by Bluejack

    The irony is near infinate when a talk-backer is telling folks to "get lives" when they are spending at least a small portion of their lives bitching on AICN. People have been invested in fictional characters since Gilgamesh, Jesus and the Buddha, why should it be any different now? <br> that being said I agree with D.B. that RotJ was nigh ruined by Ewoks. I think the genius(hyperbole) of "The Clone Wars" shorts was the effective characterization in a short period of time with excellent facial expression and nuance. <br> Lucas DOES need to put SW on the shelf. He IS ruining his legacy. Darth Vader is iconic, though. I'm not sure even Lucas could fuck up Vader place on the Mount Rushmore of Evil.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 10:29 a.m. CST

    More Star Wars please!!!!!!!!!!!

    by j2talk

    At the end of the day, good review or bad, I'll be seeing the movie. I am in the camp that says any Star Wars is better than no Star Wars....there have always been issues-some minor, some major-with the various films- not mention the novels and comics-but for the most part the overall story has been enjoyable and worth seeing, reading and sharing with my children the real problem with the Star Wars prequels and the clone wars is not what they were but what fans wanted them to be.... I mean I am still hoping to see Han Solo's Revenge and Han Solo at Stars'End on the big screen.... Fans have had so many visions of what they wanted to see NOTHING could have lived up to the expectations...me? i enjoyed the films and the final 30 min of ROTS gave me what I had been waiting for since '79 and it was first mentioned that Darth Vader fell into a lava pit battling Ben Kenobi and thats why he wwas in that suit.....

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Okay....I know this sounds horrible but I'm being serious here..

    by The Eskimo

    ...when Lucas dies, who gets the rights to this stuff. The studio, shareholders, children (I guess he has kids)? I mean, I think we all agree that a large part of the problem is that Lucas is too hands-on micro managing of the SW universe, but maybe there is a "new hope" for another generation to see this franchise revived. Or will Lucas take it to his grave?

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Live Action

    by dapaschad

    Did anyone see that ugly quote by Lucas that the liveaction TV series will show us 'the empire's entertainment industry'? It's in the DarkHorizons 'look at Clone Wars'. It made me cringe: it was my final hope for something cool coming out of all this post-OT mess.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 11:01 a.m. CST

    http://www.dark horizons.com/news08/080814g.php

    by dapaschad

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 11:17 a.m. CST

    I really had a Blast!

    by whooooooop

    I know so many people will HATE it... ahh...but Whatever...it was a blast... I enjoyed as much as Hellboy 2, TDK.. it was soo fun...and can't wait for more of the TV show!...

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Merchandising

    by Ko-Dan_Mothership

    Why do people buy shit? Why do they purchase collectables, like posters and plastic statues? Don't get me wrong, I love the original trilogy. . . and I still pop them in to the VCR from time to time. But seriously. . . the last time I desired a Star Wars TOY, I was probably 11 years old. Would anyone on this site really like to tackle th elephant in the room,you know. . .the one every review on this site feeds and feeds. . . you want to talk about mercahndising? Lets examine the shelves of stupid plastic crap in your house and look in the mirror for a sec? Can we piece together some more reasons behind Lucas' creative bankrupcy? Hmmm . . .

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 11:49 a.m. CST

    RE: Okay....I know this sounds horrible but I'm being serious he

    by GalacticWar

    I hope that if I ever create anything that, people claim to love so much that they think it's their god given right to tell me how I'm supposed to do it, that I can take it to my grave. The main problem is that you always have a vision of what you want in your head, but so does everybody else who loves it. As such, do you stay true to yourself as Lucas has done or do you go out of your way to please everyone else. Both lead into inevitable backlash.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:11 p.m. CST

    "Oh, it's just a [blank] movie" and why that's BS...

    by Darth Macchio

    Is because, in my case if not most of us here I would think, we happen to like or even love "kids" movies. Whether we take our kids and secretly enjoy the better fare out there or we specifically seek them out sans children makes no difference.<p>I don't give an assrat about that bullshit attitude people take when someone else enjoys something they deem as silly. Be it movies or table-top games or anything else self professed "geeks" condemn other geeks for on AICN! (which is so stupid as to be precious comedy gold!) If you are actually going to ridicule someone for their opinion then look to thine own self for the fool first as no one gives a shit if you think filmgoer-A loves kids movies but happens to be over 50 or whatever.<p>Same thing for the "it's only a summer pop corn movie! what do you expect?!", umm....how about Aliens or Die-Hard or Predator which, as many have mentioned, we're ALSO summer pop-corn films which happened to also be totally kick ass movies on many levels (not just action or effects).<p>Some kid's movies suck...some are pure art nearing the realm of genius (most of Bird's work) and to miss out on these brilliant films for some pretentious "I'm an adult and thus am not allowed to enjoy something dedicated to kids because people I don't know might make fun of me" bullshit. Shit...just read that line back to yourself if you think it's a real issue and then ask yourself if the person who does think you're weird or a 'nerd' for enjoying Willie Wonka or The Secret of Nimh, or playing some table top fantasy game is really just a cynical asshole filled with obsessive and scathing self-loathing who's only release is to ridicule others in a pathetic attempt at dime-store psychology transference.<p>That said, even if Clone Wars is specifically a 'kids' movie it does not mean it is above reproach nor that it deserve extra ground stomping.<p>I also love Star Wars...saw the first one in the theater in '78 (I think) down in Miami and was hooked from that moment...I don't love to hate this new shit but it is not me being older that makes it suck...it sucks quite badly all on its own.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Eww...

    by Teddy Artery

    Lucas lost all sense of coherence after his kids were born and he took a long break from filmmaking. He had his priorities straight, but his chops were... uh, "chopped".

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Ventress

    by vadakinX

    Just want to correct a mistake in your review Quint. <p> The Ventress duel in the movie happens AFTER the duel in the original Clone Wars shorts...in the original duel, Anakin was a Padawan. In the movie, he's a Knight. The duel from the shorts is even mentioned when Dooku and Ventress talk about her having revenge. <p> Also, I liked the movie...it was a fun ride. Yes it's for kids but that doesn't make it any less enjoyable.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 4:11 p.m. CST

    I'm so glad I'll never have to see this.

    by kirttrik

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 7:23 p.m. CST

    If there are children only version of "Bugs Bunny" and "Superman

    by Bob Cryptonight

    ...why can't there be a kiddie version of the STAR WARS universe? It's obvious that CLONE WARS is aimed at children ONLY. So what? If you can have Batman and Scooby Doo in a cartoon together, AND have THE DARK KNIGHT...can't Georgie try and rake in more money with a kids-only Star Wars flick? When I saw CLONE WARS, the kids in the theater LOVED it (even as I was struggling to stay awake). Yes, the movie is boring and lame...but so was THE SUPER FRIENDS cartoon in the 70s and those characters seem to have survived that.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 8:11 p.m. CST

    Stayin true to yourself...

    by The Eskimo

    ...I'm sorry but I am still aghast by the whole Jar Jar portrayal...Imean didn't someone realize that shit sucked. It ruined the rest of the trilogy for me cause I couldn't stop looking for the lame aspects. Kinda like George Bush....shouldn't in eight years someone have said to him, "Y'know W, maybe you're not so good at this public speaking thing. Maybe we should do something about that."

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 8:13 p.m. CST

    Hmmmm.....George Lucas....George Bush...

    by The Eskimo

    ....Lucas Bush. That's weird.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 8:29 p.m. CST

    Well, shit.

    by Eats_sandwich_gets_laid.

    Riddle me this: How many nails does it take to shut a coffin?

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Stop funding Lucas?

    by NiceGuyEddie19

    He's the richest movie maker in the world to date. If he wanted, he could remake Caligula with Star Wars characters, in CGI with enhanced genetalia. There is no stopping this shit train.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 9:41 p.m. CST

    onward to STAR TREK!!!

    by theonecalledshoe

    muhhaaaahaa. take that "star wars."

  • Aug. 16, 2008, 9:26 a.m. CST

    i enjoyed.....as did my kids ages 10 &12

    by j2talk

    and the kids are who this movie is made for...At the end of the day, good review or bad, I'll be seeing the movie. I am in the camp that says any Star Wars is better than no Star Wars....there have always been issues-some minor, some major-with the various films- not mention the novels and comics-but for the most part the overall story has been enjoyable and worth seeing, reading and sharing with my children the real problem with the Star Wars prequels and the clone wars is not what they were but what fans wanted them to be.... I mean I am still hoping to see Han Solo's Revenge and Han Solo at Stars'End on the big screen.... Fans have had so many visions of what they wanted to see NOTHING could have lived up to the expectations...me? i enjoyed the films and the final 30 min of ROTS gave me what I had been waiting for since '79 and it was first mentioned that Darth Vader fell into a lava pit battling Ben Kenobi and thats why he was in that suit.....

  • Aug. 16, 2008, 4:17 p.m. CST

    George Lucas

    by MovieDeal

    Stop. Just.....stop. Please listen to your critics. We love your Universe. We just don't like what you've done with it. Especially after the promise of what "could be". Please...just STOP!

  • Aug. 16, 2008, 5:33 p.m. CST

    My first child is 3 months in the womb . .

    by Ko-Dan_Mothership

    So by the time he/she's five years old, Star Wars should finally be dead and buried. No need for me to take them to see another sack of crap like Clone Wars. . . nor will I have to spend an extra few hundred dollars on made-in-china plastic crap, overpriced because it says "Star Wars" on the packaging. I guess we'll have other battles to fight by then. . . *sigh* what a culture. . .

  • Aug. 17, 2008, 3:55 a.m. CST

    Meh

    by Fineus Fog

    saw this yesterday - it was alright but shoudl I give it a free pass cos it's Star Wars??? Not the worst thing I have seen in a theatre - that honour belongs to 10,000 BC which is single handedly one of the worst films ever made

  • Aug. 17, 2008, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Re: benditlikelucas "Jedi Question"

    by MrGonev5

    "Am I wrong, or wasn't it established that only a Jedi Master can have an apprentice? If that's so, is this yet another plot-point that Lucas is conveniently throwing out the window?" I believe it was mentioned that usualy, only a Master can take on Padawan. Knights usually can't take on a Padawan, but sometimes do under special circumstances, like Obi-Wan training Anakin. I want to say this is mentioned in fiction somewhere, but I'll be damned if I know where.

  • Aug. 18, 2008, 12:19 a.m. CST

    Kodan you make my ass hurt!!

    by Dark Doom

    WTF? you want ur kid seeing Anakin slaughter "younglings?" You got DYFS where you live? ROFL