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I was not an admirer of the trailer for Oliver Stone's W. (the ironic "What a Wonderful World" usage was an instant deal-breaker), but I do love the key art Lionsgate has been generating over the last month: it's smart and provocative without seeming too smug.
Some might feel this latest round of posters picked up by FilmSchoolRejects (from Denver of all places!) crosses the line of "smug". They're probably right, but I don't give a fuck; the sight of Josh Brolin as a petulant commander-in-chief feels pretty spot-on to me. Yes, my right-leaning friends, it's most assuredly a caricature; that said, Stone's movie is beginning to give off a cartoony, DOONESBURY-esque vibe. If this is the tone of the finished film (we've heard conflicting stuff from the actors and Stone himself), I have a feeling I'll prefer it to NIXON (though I am looking forward to giving that one another shot when the director's cut hits Blu-Ray).
W. starts causing trouble on October 17th.
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really..
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Smug.. this guy is the worst president ever, he is a war criminal, a liar and a horrible human being.. the film will be great
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...Oliver is setting a bad precident (all pun intended) promoting a movie based on the flaws of the current Commander in Cheif. W is arguably one of the worst presidents we've ever had (and I voted for him last go round) but you never know what history will show in the long run. So I say...too soon.
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This film will do as well as every other political film released in the past 5 years.
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I think you are overestimating the american public.. this film should have come out 5 years ago.. most people do not know his history as a loser skirt chasing coke addict and they should.. oh wait... he repented... but history will never forgive him... i can't wait for the drunk pretzel choking scene!!!
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heh, heh...I am commander in chief and you will bring me a taco!
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Liberals are PUSSIES! Conservatives are RETARDS! Bush is like HITLER! Bush is the greatest president that America has ever had! End of debate. Until the next update.
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Stone seems to resemble bush career wise. W. might end up being a critique of the filmmaker. One was a cheerleader, one served in nam. One ended up failed Pres, the other can't entertain anymore.
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I am but that really has nothing to do with this postif Stone really is going in the doonsberry (or even Mallard Fillmore) direction of broad political satire, I'm on board, if it's more along his Nixon line,I could sit it outHowever I can't see stone pulling that off, he's pretty untested in intentional comedy let alone something that broad, but I'd love to be proven wrongon a compeltely unrelated side note, I work at a hotel in Kansas and met a lady that was a set designer on the movie, had a nice little conversation with her
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And who's gonna play Obama in the sequel? May I suggest Javier Bardem.
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Bloo is a republican and had a conversation with someone. Details at 11.
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at the Bohemian Grove getting drunk with the Bin Laden fam.
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i hope the film portrays him as the liar he really is and not only that but he was a coke head and drunk how was this fuck allowed to be president?
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Was it entertaining as JFK? No, but it was a fine film w/ great performances across the board. Very overlooked in my view.
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Well now, will the 47% of you morons who think we need a "Fairness Doctrine" demand that a Pro Bush movie be made now? What's that? Oh, you agree with this movie, therefore it is fair! The fairness doctrine only applies to those you disagree with, so it won't apply to Hollywood!
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You want politics? here's my fucking neener straight trippin on yo temple.
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one of the goonies is the president now? hmm. seems appropriate.
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Some people really need to seek treatment for their CBHS (Chronic Bush Hatred Syndrome). War criminal? I am a republican, and I DO NOT entirely agree with what has been going on the past 8 years. That being said, sometimes you gotta piss people off to do what needs to be done. That is what CLinton's problem was. He was so busy "feeling our pain" and doing interns that he severely weakened this country in ways that people cannot begin to imagine because they are so busy HATING W.
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I do not have a problem with this movie. Air all of his dirty laundry, go ahead. Was a he an irresponsible, immature a$$hole as a young man? Probably so. But, just about EVERY guy is at one time or another in his life. Human beings are flawed creatures. The fact that he eventually got his act together and became POTUS, should be a good story. Even if it is a caricature or satire. Did he have a problem with drugs and alcohol? Well, Stone (and most of Hollywood for that matter) have had substance problems. At least W is not a pot-smoking (didn't inhale? PLEASE), draft-dodging (went to Canada because he "despised" the military), womanizing, weak-spined sack of lard like Clinton.
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The Eskimo is a douchebag asshatI don't know you dude, but this is like the 3rd Talkback I've seen you in and in everyone you've been a dick, if you're trying to be funny, well it's not, if you're a troll well congrats
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http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=402740157&albumID=0&imageID=5187003
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Maybe Stone can follow it up with a pic about Clinton and how they stole tons of stuff out of the white house, and his staff took all of the "W"s off of the keybords, and glued drawers shut. Real mature.
Or maybe about how Clinton was offered Bin Laden on 3 different occassions and PASSED! Even after the 1st WTC bombing. Or maybe how the "balanced the budget" and created a false surplus (it was only on paper people) by butchering the military (base closures and lack of equipment), intelligence, and other facets of National Security... That would be a great movie. -
And if you think that Bush was a fuckup just wait until you see the incompetence that is Obama. You want Obama facing Putin? Good luck with that. You will pine for the days of Bush.
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...who could deal with someone like Putin. Obama is the kind of guy who could wipe Putin's ass.
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Seriously, where can I get those posters? Those would look great beside my 2008 The End is Near W. Countdown Calendar, filled with all of W's most famous quotes like :"Families are where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream." and "More and more of our imports come from overseas." and finally "Wow, Brazil is big!"
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It must have been the sight of Bush at the Olympics patting the Beach Volleyball girl and then getting grilled by the Olympics commentator that did it.
I'm not seeing it with the posters I have to say. There's understated and then there's lazy. -
I'm just saying you were a little vague about the whole thing. What did you and the set designer lady talk about regarding the W film? (I work at a hotel too BTW, Choice.) Oh and the "breaking news" jab was brought over from another talk back. No offense bro, just havin fun....sheesh. All you homophobes are so sensitive.
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A poster that copied the kind of Whithouse posed photo's of Bush, Rove, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice and the rest of his motley crew in the Oval Office would have been a better idea.
Gives a bit more of a feel for the main cast rather than just Dubya.
Then again the Presedential years aren'y going to be the entire film. -
from Putin's pink anus?
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... but the director's cut is awful. i'm talking about all the new scenes inserted without any dramatic integration with the existing film. the Nixon director's cut has no flow. the new scenes are interesting but every time they appear, it stops the rhythm of the movie cold leaving a weird choppy effect. i'm glad there's a theatrical cut of Nixon on DVD and i hope with the rerelease on Blu-Ray they'll include the theatrical cut (but they probably won't).
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...a potential ecalating war was breaking out in Georgia. Yet another reason I say "too soon." This guy still has plenty of material left.
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Out of Exxon's ass ?
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I know this "Russian" dude (whose actually from the Ukraine and Jewish) whose is currently about 60 years old and who either studied under or worked for the government in Moscow from 18 to roughly 50 years of age (I never asked for specifics), before moving to Massachusetts. After that totally random poisoning of the poll-leading, pro-West Ukrainian candidate, I asked him, "How much influence does the Russian Mob have in the Russian Government?" He stared at me for about 3 seconds before I asked the question again with different phrasing. He then realized I believed the two were distinct entities, and explained they were not: that the Russian mob and the Russian gov were the exact same. He and his (actually) Russian friends had a good laugh about how naive I (and, thus, all Americans) was afterwards.
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from a fellow Choice hotel member, it was just kind of an aside, not really pertaining to anything, all she said was that it was going to be released in the fall and that it was going to be really good, she was on her way back from Louisana to Los Angeles and I didn't know about the breaking news from another TB, I was going off the "this just in" thing you postedas for your transgendered comments, I thought they were just kinda classless don't really have an opinon one way or another on cccchhhrrrrriiiissssmmm's storyanyways sorry for being a doucebag asshat myself, truce?
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...it's cool esse. Sorry also. See you on the boards.
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I am proudfilled to endorsify this here Movie. Vote Republican.
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What was 'deal breaking' about the ironic use of 'What a Wonderful World'...?
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because now I can ignore bullshit stuff like this and focus on real life. Look at you people, bickering over a fucking movie that hasn't even come out yet. Stone hasn't put out a good movie in years, and for those of you on the left, if he was giving Clinton the same treatment you'd be bitching just as much as those on the right. That's the annoying thing about you wingers... swap idealogies and you're the same annoying ass overly opinionated windbags.
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What is it with the right and this blubbering over Clinton ?
There's certainly no Law preventing anyone doing a Clinton film.
So instead of constantly whining and kvetching and bitching about the guy, blaming Clinton for the past 8 years, why not actually get someone from the right to DO a Movie about him ?
There must be some Republican out there who can work a camera and knows how to write a script surely ? I'm also fairly sure FOX News would be only too delighted to fund such an enterprise. -
Primary Colors.
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would have all the ingredients for success. the Lewinsky scene, I could see it now... but either way I'm kinda stoked for teh W. pic. It seems to reveal both his truth and flaws as a character, but then again no one should be hasty to judge from a trailer - everyone knows this, unless you're not part of everyone... by which you're just out of place, son. 'W.' have the Hollywood touch but Stone is solid with his material. Our most famous president's life story on the silver screen? Nice.
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Aug 15, 2008 8:11:30 AM CDT
Now if only someone will make a movie about Robert Mugabe.
by knuckleduster
That will be funny, yet scary as hell. Hope he rots in a jail cell for at least a few years before he dies. I can only dream.
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...Whoever is behind them is doing a top fucking job.
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sparking up in the parking lot will pretty much be a pre-requisite to maximizing it's weirdness. I mean how can any movie about this man's life NOT be a character assassination? I hope they include the scene where he announces his support for Gynecologists 'practicing their love with women', that always has me in tears.
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I read a script review that said the movie painted Bush as an angry drunkard. Bush is not a popular guy, and somewhat deservedly so. I think he gets bashed unfairly in some regards, but he does bring quite a bit down on his own head either way.
If you want to rip the guy, he gives you plenty of ammo to do as such. That is why it doesn't make sense to me when people make up random bullshit.
Seriously, is there any proof the guy is an angry drunkard? -
Umm... that actually didn't happen. Just because Ari Fleischer said that the Clinton staffers trashed the White House doesn't make it true. In fact, because ari Fleischer said it happened, is direct evidence that it is not true. And the surplus was real. Or at least real enough for your boy georgie jr to use it to give pepole those $300.00 refunds back in 2001.
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Actually, in "Fortunate Son" (or almost any unbiased biography on George W Bush), it tells about Laura giving him an ultimatum to stop drinking or else. That goes a long way to show he han an alcohol problem. Which one could call being a "drunkard". And the fact that he would get into physical fights with his old man and the fact that he was kind of a sadist from a very early age goes a long way to show he was "angry". And it's also been shown that if he wasn't an "angry drunkard", he was certainly a "mean drunk". Watch some footage of him drunk (you can find it on Youtube), it's pretty clear that while he may not be an "angry drunkard", he's got a nasty streak when he is drunk. So I don't think that it's completely out of left field to potray him in is younger years as an "angry drunkard"
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is proof that republicans are no funny. At All. For further proof, see the long lasting "Fox half hour news hour", or read Mallard Fillmore.
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You win. You sure beat me. How long did it take you to google Fortunate Son and then look at the wiki page and form an opinion on what you skimmed over? 5 minutes? 6? You sure are a master of the internets and are no match for me. You sure are special. Nobody can do what you do. You want a cookie? How about a balloon? Want me to tie it to your wrist for you? Fucking asshole.
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I forgot a "t" oooo! you're the best fireproof! Can I be like you? A sisterfucking redeck shiteating baby raper? PLEASE?
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He was never my first choice, that's for sure, but with what's going on now, in retrospect, he was the best republican nominee to face this.
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...someone said some variation of how liberals suck. I'd say the same thing about someone saying conservatives suck but it seems like there's a larger number of liberal haters than the other way around.I still think all this bickering is pointless unless there's going to be blood. Battle Rotale style with partisan corners and no rules and no holds barred. Kick a liberals ass! Kick a conservative's ass! And you'll be a rock star!!!!
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Hilariously bad yes but still pant wettingly hilarious.
Forgot about Primary Colours though the book is far better.
And I don't give a shit if they make a hatchet job about Clinton. By all means "bring it on". It would still prove amusing.
Clinton would also still have handed Bush his ass in 2000 if he was able to run since he left the job with pretty high approval ratings despite the blow job from tubby. -
Sure hardly anyone remembers it and yes it IS a fictionalised account it but it aired.
And that article concedes there may just be a rational explanation for the lack of DVD that doesn't involve the Clintons Machiavellian hand stifling the Networks though it does mean you would have to believe in something called the free market.
"From our standpoint, it had many hours of broadcast time, so it was exposed. It's not like it was stifled and no one heard it," said Adam Somers, executive director of PEN Center USA in Culver City. "In our opinion, it was a business decision by Disney. You have to assume if Disney thought they'd make money, they'd release it."
A far fetched conspiracy indeed!
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Not a great fan of Travolta but Thornton, Thompson and particularly Kathy Bates give very strong performances.
And I'm sure there WILL be a Movie about Clinton in the White House sooner or later.
There's just too much in there ripe for a Movie even apart from the grand farce of Monica.
I think I'll rewatch Nixon this weekend as I haven't seen that in a while either. -
I'm not the one looking for the Dastardly hand of the Clintons behind some fruity conspiracy to stop a DVD release.
I think you have laid claim on the Delusional title with far more force than me with that little bit of Clinton Paranoia Morbid.
And want to know how long it took me to find a Torrent of the film on the internets ? Less than 10 seconds. So it's hardly been wiped from the pages of History in a Stalin like Purge.
But like I said before, Nice Try. -
Aug 15, 2008 4:36:55 PM CDT
It was aired & it's easy to find so get over it Morbid. Nice Try
by g100
One of the Most popular Drama's ever produced, NYPD Blue, hasn't had a DVD release of any of the seasons from 5-12. Now was that the Clintons or was it economics ? Because I KNOW it's hugely popular by the nature of it's syndication and audience yet I don't look for any Ludicrous Conspiracy to explain the lack of DVD's.
If there really is such a huge demand for your little Movie then the course of action is clear.
An internet petition that would show the Company the demand for a DVD release is really out there and not just imaginary.
It's happened before for quite a few TV productions and because you think this is such a crucial matter of free speech why don't you start one and contact the disgruntled "masses" you claim are demanding it ?
You still don't seem to have grasped the point though.
Despite it's fairly obvious problems with accuracy. It was aired. It was aired WORLDWIDE. It wasn't banned and not everything gets released to DVD anyway.
If that seems like repetition it's simply because I can see you really enjoy that sort of thing by parroting what I've already said at least twice.
And Kudos for comparing the Senate to Stalin because some irate Dem Senators sent a letter to ABC over innacuracies. You clearly aren't delusional in the slightest.
To quote "someone" from earlier in this thread "It'll be hard to top that as a moronic moment on this talkback."
Job Done Morbid.
But no doubt you can tell us when the Dems in the Senate had Millions of Political opponents executed and Millions sent to Gulags and have wiped out whole pages of History in a Stalin like Purge ? -
And since it wasn't banned why the pathetic attempt to equate Reid to Stalin ?
And Reid DID send a letter to Walt Disneys CEO, as can anyone else who feels they have a problem with any programme they transmit. Quoting the communications act is hardly fucking Stalin Morbid but by all means keep getting worked up into a fury because there isn't a DVD release of this one Movie that had a problem with accuracy.
Personally I don't give really care if it does get released to DVD. It's really not that important.
I admit though that if you get this worked up over a DVD release then I can't wait to see how foaming at the mouth you and FOX and Friends become when W gets released.
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But please keep pretending you are right when you actually denied Reid sent letter at all.
(That means you were wrong BTW in case it sailed over your head like so much else has.)
A complete state of Denial about the world around you, childishly blaming Clinton for everything and Pretending Bush isn't a complete Liability.
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Aug 15, 2008 6:34:49 PM CDT
I'm not the one who thinks Harry Reid is Stalin. You're certifia
by g100
"Some irate Dem Senators" didn't "send a letter to ABC over inaccuracies."
YES, they did. It was through Disney's CEO rather than ABC so if that is your level of anal quibbling well done, but the letter was sent and it was undersigned by Reid AND several other Dems.
You said "Harry Reid himself threatened ABC's broadcasting license while demanding edits that the Clintons wanted made to a film."
Was that in a letter to the CEO of Disney or not ? True or False ?
"That's as close as the Senate's ever gotten to Stalin"
YES, you clearly are batshit insane at this point, but leaving that aside.. Does a letter undersigned by Senators even signed by the Majority Leader of the Senate, to a corporation have any actual Legal power to compell or demand action ? YES or NO ?
It was a letter dipshit. Not a fucking Senatorial Committee.
Anyone can write to any TV CEO and remind them of their obligations to accuracy in regard to the communications act. TRUE or FALSE ?
Seriously exactly what kind of STUPENDOUS power do you imagine Harry Reid has ? He certainly hasn't done very much in the senate.
Do you REALLY think anyone apart from idiot Loyal Bushies are cowering in terror from a figure of such unbridled menace and authority as Harry Reid ????
You need to lie down in a dark room for a while Morbid as your impotent fury at the Dems has clearly gotten the better of your admittedly tenuous grasp of reality.
Nobody gives a shit about this DVD release except furious wingnuts and Loyal Bushies.
And nobody but a foaming at the mouth hysterical loon could possibly think Harry Reid is some kind of Stalinist bogey man. -
Aug 15, 2008 7:14:40 PM CDT
Capitals ? Heading cut off ? You really ARE desperate aren't you
by g100
Have you no shame left in you at all Morbid ? Has you devotion to Bush wiped out your self-respect completely ?
Seriously, it must be quite stressfull being the kind of embarrassing anal asshat that would be so unbelievably desperate as to try to deflect questions with such utterly irrelevant and pathetic trivia.
And believe me I'm laughing my ass off at your feeble attempts to dodge the questions while you frantically try to downplay your HILARIOUS brainfart comparing Harry Reid and the Senate to Stalin.
But Please keep it up.
As your protestations that you aren't outraged simply don't match up to your obsessive fury and frankly certifiable babbling about Stalin and the Senate over what is, lets face it, an inconsequential film that simply hasn't been released to DVD.
If only you could feel such outrage at the colossal deficit, the ruined economy and the Lies about the War and the disasterous occupation ?
Never mind. I'm 100% sure the public haven't forgotten about those things come November. -
You could try photoshopping a Stalin moustache onto Harry Reid to entertain yourself while I'm gone.
Or better still you could always scan the talkbacks for typos and incorrectly placed commas. -
great leader!
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Aug 15, 2008 9:53:43 PM CDT
MORBIDBANALITY IS FURIOUS ABOUT A SUPPOSED LETTER FROM HARRY REI
by bringingsexyback
to ... what was it, ABC, Disney or ... something. Did this communique/action lead to deaths of soldiers or civilians on a massive scale?
Or is it a relative non-issue that desperate wingnuts cling to in the face of the collapsed and corruption-ridden Republican Party, especially now in the sunset days of Bush's reign (and Obama's ascension)?
But don't mind Morbid. He continues to think the economy is fine (it helps to read news about yesterday's stats and ignore current trends and conditions) and is looking forward to Inglorious Bastards to fulfill his Israeli commando fantasy that Zohan fell just shy of doing.
By the way, if anyone listens to NPR, I hope you caught the hilarious interview with Douglas Feith where he attempts to salvage Rumsfeld's legacy by suggesting that Donald had "reservations" about going to war. Oh, he got ripped apart pretty elegantly by the interviewer - lesson is, if you wanna spin the news media, do it with the MSM. Don't pull shit with NPR, because they know they's shit. -
If that's the extent of Morbid's point-making attempt, then one can understand why he's always hesitated to make any points. Maybe next time he'll make a valid one?
Nah ... -
Aug 15, 2008 10:04:31 PM CDT
IN THE ABSENCE OF BOLDING AND ITALIZIZING FUNCTIONS
by bringingsexyback
capitalizing is a perfectly valid way of stressing a point in talkbacks.
It's understandable that this escapes Morbid's comprehension, as he's incapable of making a point. -
How? By boring him into capitulation? What's he going to do - send troops to defend Georgia like Bush is doing?
Oh. Wait. -- Bush is busy joking around with Vladimir "Pooty Poot" Putin and slapping Misty May's (nice) ass.
Republicans. It's a wonder this country has survived them this long. -
Wow..Is anyone else laughing as George Bush admonishes these guys for 'bullying a sovereign nation for their oil resources'?That's some funny shit, right there.McCain, confront Putin? I suppose that's a fucking given, considering one of his campaign guys is the head of the fucking Georgian lobby. Sure. I smell fallout on the wind, no fucking doubt, and Watchmen is going to be a spectacular film because of it.W. looks like a regular 'Hey, look, this guy was a fucking misbegotten son of a rich fuck that you elected, and now he's gone.'Bush did coke, dodged the fucking war, and did whatever the fuck he wanted because he was rich. Just like you'd do if you were rich, and just like I'd probably do if I were rich. What's appalling is that he didn't have the common decency to just stay in the fucking private sector. He had to go and impress his worthless, dickless old man. Go America!
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The entire world (wingnuts and Mikheil Saakashvili excepted) saw the hypocrisy in Bush and Rice's denouncements.
Which is why it fell upon, of all countries, France to broker a peace. Bush is a lame duck whose lame duckness has unfortunately rubbed off on our foreign policy standing. Which is why John McCain would be a disaster, towing the Bush/NeoCon line until the country's back is finally broken.
Hate to break the news to our wingnut compadres, but Obama is our best chance at redemption and correction. I'd be interested in being convinced otherwise, but I doubt anyone here can put up a valid argument to the contrary.
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