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The Debut of Harry's STAR WARS: THE CLONE WARS Special Edition Review... Yes, I still hate it, just a tad more clearly...

I’ve never hated a STAR WARS film before. I have weathered Jar Jar and any number of Ewoks. I even liked and loved them. I survived Hayden and a wooden Portman. I even accepted Jake Lloyd. I handled all that because it felt like STAR WARS. I can accept all of Lucas’ flaws, so long as at its heart it felt like Star Wars. I can deal with politics in Star Wars. I can deal with trade skirmishes in Star Wars. I can deal with musical numbers, breathing in the vacuum of space. Basically – so long as it feels like STAR WARS – I can watch any of it. Was I looking forward to STAR WARS: THE CLONE WARS (2008)? FUCKING A! I was dying. After Genndy’s CLONE WARS – I felt that perhaps Lucas “got it” – and that this new animated series was taking a lead from Tartakovsky’s brilliant assembly of pieces. Genndy’s CLONE WARS got STAR WARS better than anyone has got it since Lawrence Kasdan and Irvin Kershner. Genndy took designs and characters that folks were dissatisfied with and made them cool. He did this by using and adapting the themes created by John Williams, the wholly perfect entity involved with Star Wars along with… the sound effects of Ben Burtt. He understood speed and motion – not just with action, but in editing. He understood classic film composition and iconography. And he knows what BADASS is. The folks behind this STAR WARS: THE CLONE WARS movie… you could tell, they looked at what Genndy did – but they didn’t understand any of it. There’s a shitload of battles and shit going boom. There’s noise everywhere – fury everywhere… but none of it is directed. The music by Kevin Kiner is criminally bad. Why they didn’t employ Paul Dinletir and James Venable is beyond me. No, no – let’s hire the composer of WALKER, TEXAS RANGER. Ahem. Before the movie started I was firing myself up to go out after the film and buy that new $200 Hasbro Millenium Falcon. I really wanted to go buy it, and I wanted this movie to empower my brain to go through with that. Instead, I found myself at home – putting on Genndy’s THE CLONE WARS – to try and rebuild my passion – so I can go get that new Falcon. Anyway – I made excuses for this film as I was watching it. I don’t think you understand how much I love STAR WARS. Maybe you do, maybe you do too. But right from the very beginning, there was trouble. From the beginning notes of “As Time Goes By” and the Warner Shield – it felt wrong. When the Lucasfilm symbol came up with radio static banter from fighter pilots… again it felt wrong. Then, when “A LONG TIME AGO, IN A GALAXY FAR FAR AWAY” and a half hearted version of the classic theme belted out – and instead of an opening crawl, we had a very hammy voice over catching us up with what was going on in this galaxy far far away… it felt bad. As I was watching the film, I was excusing the sloppy shots, the sloppy use of the Clone Troopers and Droids – undoing all the awesome work that Genndy had done – and the droids are silly again. At one point one Robot tells another a number identifying a sector in which he sees trouble and the other robot doesn’t get the number right. Who the fuck made these robots, the goddamned Marx Brothers? Seriously, why do the robots even speak to one another. The whole point of a Robot army would be one where each Robot was aware of the knowledge of every other robot. The Clone Troopers are limp. Seemingly helpless without their Jedi masters. They seem badly trained. Gone are the cool moves, the silent commandes and the badass gadgets and equipment they had. And the Jedi – they’re at 25% power from the mind of Genndy. But I was accepting that. I figured that was Lucas dialing back so that the animated series wouldn’t overpower his features. To me it was sad in the features that Jedi Knights apparently could not use the force as powerfully as the force could be used in my imagination – and when Genndy did that in his shorts – it underlined how awesome Jedi could be. It made them cooler than Neo, and that was needed. Speaking of Jedi Knights – there’s a new Jedi introduced. Voiced by Muffy from THAT’S SO RAVEN is Ashley Eckstein’s AHSOKA TANO. Think Alien Miley Cyrus as Hannah Montana with a light saber. She’s precocious, precious and very cute. That isn’t a bad thing, at least not to me. My wife hated her, but I found her to be a gateway character for girls that want to play Star Wars with their brothers. I was ok with that. I just felt that the writing on her character was subpar – and the voice work was overbearing. I just had the feeling that the voice didn’t know what it was saying. If that makes any sense. It was just an annoying voice and a character that hopefully in episodes to come will be treated better. But if you think she’s annoying… just wait… Then they introduced Baby Jabba aka Rotta the Huttlet aka Stinky. At the point of this character’s introduction – it officially became, the worst character in the history of STAR WARS. If you hate George Lucas cutsiepoo bullshit – oooooooh boy. You’re gonna have a field day of venting and hatred directed at this unbelievably fucking awful little shit. It farts, makes pukey faces and is just unbearably bad. Oh – but wait… Little Stinky the Hutt isn’t the worst character in the history of STAR WARS… because Stinky got introduced about halfway through the film. As much as I hated lil Stinky… I was weathering Stinky. I seriously was. But later there was a character of such immense shit – offensively bad. The character was so bad, so incredibly awful – that it was a slap to the face. It woke me out of my shit-accepting stupor and made me angry. SUDDENLY my “inner fanboy rage” was awoken. As I watched this terrifyingly awful character named Ziro the Hutt. A seemingly female Hutt or at least a Drag Queen Hutt – with tattoos and make-up that sounds like a racist take on a Black New Orleans Crack-Dealing Whore. Because this Hutt speaks ENGLISH – and it is many times worse than I’m actually describing. This character was actually too much for me. So bad that every flaw I was looking past, was now a road sign to inadequacy and mediocrity. All of a sudden my brain realized that Asajj Ventress’ voice no longer was acceptable – and sure enough – the amazing Grey DeLisle, who originally voiced the character back in 2003 – had been replaced by a Nika Futterman – and that voice was missed. The character didn’t have that snarling menace anymore. I realized that nothing in this animated film felt right. I felt time expanding. It seemed that the film was dragging – nevermind that lots of shit was firing all over the place – and stuff was going boom and things were being revealed. And light sabers were all over the place. But frankly, I just didn’t care because this wasn’t what I wanted. I don’t want Light Saber cartoon battles. I just want STAR WARS to be done right and cool. If they say that STAR WARS is about the kids – they’re partially right. STAR WARS is about being a kid. It’s about buying toys and wearing goofy clothes and playing make believe. It’s about dreaming of far away lands, of groovy space travel and crazy monsters and technology. It’s mostly about the awe and wonder of the imagination of science fiction and fantasy. This film had me asking myself what STAR WARS was. Is it STAR WARS because I see light sabers and laser battles? Is it Star Wars because I see C3PO or R2D2? Or hear OB1 or Skywalker? I don’t think so. After watching this – I think STAR WARS has more to do with John Williams than any of us could have imagined. Hearing electric guitars and junky funk music isn’t STAR WARS. To not use his music properly. To not play up Ben Burtt’s phantasmagorical sound library. To not have moments where characters realize where they are and take in that view. There is no romance here. I’m not talking about a boy and a girl and a love story, I’m talking about the Romance of Adventure. The Romance of the Fantastic. I hated the score, the animation, the shots, the characters and most of all the retarded fucking idiot story. I hated that it made me not want to come back this Friday. I hated that I left a theater hating the movie so much that I couldn’t take my nephews glee of Star Wars and share it with him. I didn’t attack his passion. That would be wrong. Evidently the film will work for an 8 year old. But I’m not a grown up. I’m not too old for Star Wars. I love Star Wars too much to love this shit. I hated the film. HATED IT. REALLY HATED IT. Does this mean the whole Star Wars Animated Series is doomed? No – but it isn’t a good sign. So much of this is awful because of the Hutt plotlines and character. I also feel that Dave Filoni must be a hack. His work here is sloppy – and depending on writers and directing talent – individual episodes may be better. I’ve heard rumors of some pretty great writers working on some of the future episodes, and I’ve heard of some talented folks that will be taking part in the series. This film was several episodes all strung together – my prayer is that the individual episodes will be both great and awful – and we’ll discover which talents are responsible for each. The film had about 30 minutes of fun material, and as a 30 minute series, it could work. As a feature narrative, it drags badly and runs out of good ideas quickly and often. That said – the audience did have light applause. My father liked it. My sister felt too much was going on. Me nephew really liked it. That said – Yoko was complaining right along with me. She thought it was shit too. I know Moriarty liked it. Quint thought it was boring. Massawyrm hated it. Fuck. I hated a STAR WARS. That fucking sucks.

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  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:05 p.m. CST


    by VictorVonDoom

    Yet another first for DOOM!

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:06 p.m. CST

    And here we go...

    by mefrog

    this talkback is ready to explode...

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:06 p.m. CST

    but I'm going to bed, so I'll miss all the fun :(

    by mefrog

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:07 p.m. CST

    well Harry

    by oscarmike

    if the uproar didn't let you know that your readers cared about you then nothing will

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:08 p.m. CST

    Harry, aren't you in the Central Time Zone? It's 11:09

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:09 p.m. CST

    a very large thank you

    by lbayniner

    i really just wanted to be a part of the hilarious lunacy that engulfed this website for the last few days. it was more entertaining than most

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:11 p.m. CST

    I have a Star Wars room in my house

    by Corleone

    and yet I almost forgot this came out this weekend. Sad really, this just doesn't look good. I'll still see it a few times, but I'm just sayin.'

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:11 p.m. CST

    I said I was posting this on EST


    and I told Warners that.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:12 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    in here!

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:13 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    I feel like I read this review like, days ago! Weeeiirrddd!

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:13 p.m. CST

    Some things...

    by Kromag

    you know are going to suck before they start sucking. This was one of them. The best thing that can happen now is for this movie to absolutely tank at the box office.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:13 p.m. CST


    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:14 p.m. CST

    Boycot Clone Wars!

    by greenstyle92

    Instead of giving the money to Lucas, go buy a ticket to Tropic Thunder then buy two tickets to Dark Knight. You don't even have to go to the shows, just send the message that you want Dark Knight to displace Titanic for the heck of it. Push it over the edge. If this weekend is more about Dark Knight displacing the original Star Wars, that will send a loud and clear message to Lucas.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:14 p.m. CST

    EST RULES!!!!

    by BringingSexyBack

    Up yours PSTers!

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Yeehaw. this's got me jazzed.

    by George Newman

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Harry, you think a live action Star Wars is a good idea?

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:18 p.m. CST

    I meant to clarify a live action TV show, not movie.

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    I think it's a cool idea. Though I would like the pilot and perhaps finale to be on the big screen.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:18 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Don't ask.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:20 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Let's get that out of the way before the carnage begins.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:21 p.m. CST

    Captain Panaka and his pure alabama black snake

    by Prossor

    i hope Lucas makes a character-driven story for Panaka, when he said he would move onto small independant films hopefully he can shed light on this interesting character a bit more.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:22 p.m. CST

    Rotta the Huttlet aka Stinky???

    by Horace Cox

    Jesus H. Christ. This thing sounds even shittier than I throught it was going to be from the trailer - and I thought it was going to be ubershitty. Someone commit The Beard to a mental institution.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:23 p.m. CST

    That chick padawan

    by Larry Sellers

    annoys the fuck out of me in the TV spots. I have a feeling I won't hate it any less than Harry does. When a Star Wars ANYTHING has a HUGE Star Wars geek questioning the very reason why he even enjoys the franchise anymore, something is seriously wrong. Maybe it's time to pay attention to the critics, Lucas. P.S. The OT NEVER talked down to the kids or included fart jokes and the aliens (INCLUDING CHEW-FUCKING-BACCA) seldom spoke without subtitles. Fin.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:24 p.m. CST

    what was once, will be no more.....

    by dalbatron

    Simple as..... Whaddya think ?

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:24 p.m. CST

    Roger Ebert's review is golden.

    by eggart

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:24 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    What? You think Lucas isn't capable of it? Don't kid yourselves.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:25 p.m. CST


    by CharyouTree

    I thought this was going to be a "special edition" it looks the same? (i apoligise if its not only had a quick scan so far) and can you reveal any of the "backdoor shananigans"

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:26 p.m. CST

    Is it more retarded than Tropic Thunder?

    by Larry Sellers

    Retarded? Retarded. Retarded.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:28 p.m. CST


    by Randy Sims

    My 9 and 7 year olds are DYING to see it. Maybe we have just all grown up and can't see Neverland any more. Oh, to be a Lost Boy again! Tinkerbell, throw some midi-chlorian dust my way! Please!?

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:28 p.m. CST

    Enough Star Wars for one life time.

    by greenstyle92

    Never was a hard core fan, but I've skirted the issue enough to get my fill. Star Wars is just... bleh. I'm seriously trying to revert to my 90's mind set when the prequels didn't actually exist and were just theoretical things. That was a much better era.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:28 p.m. CST

    Star Wars loses #2 on Clone Wars' opening weekend

    by Zartan

    The weekend Lucas shits on his fans with "Clone Wars", Star Wars will lose it's #2 all time domestic to the Dark Knight. - SUPPORT THE CAUSE!!!

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:28 p.m. CST


    by dalbatron

    When was the last time you think he watched the OT??? 94? Also where the fuck has his chin gone?

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:29 p.m. CST

    TOO SOON!!!!!

    by Womb2dooM

    Warners still isn't ready for this review!!

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:30 p.m. CST

    Where's Massawyrm's review?

    by greenstyle92

    Where's the rumored positive Moriarty review? And for God's Sake, please tell me Alexandra DuPont is going to take a crack at it too!

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:30 p.m. CST

    The Force Unleashed ..

    by CharyouTree sadly dissapointing to, very average.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:30 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Crushing on Vern just a little? Just a little bit?

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:31 p.m. CST


    by dalbatron

    enough eh?

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:32 p.m. CST

    I was at the Clone Wars Panel at Comic-Con

    by aceattorney

    Where we were shown a few clips from the film - I sat in the third row, center. The panel and the clips put the fanboys sitting in the very front row ASLEEP. My 9 year old nephew insists that I probably saw a different Star Wars because the trailers look so awesome to him. :(

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:32 p.m. CST

    <3 Vern

    by Larry Sellers


  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:32 p.m. CST

    The gates to Hell are on Lucas Ranch.

    by greenstyle92

    The early success of Lucas was obviously a Faustian deal with the devil scenario. The Prequels, Special Editions, and Clone Wars are the other end of it, the part where the Devil starts screwing Lucas over. you see this sort of thing all the time...

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Hey Harry ...

    by Termigoonie

    You know, I have a lot of bizarre respect for what you've been put through by Warner Bros. The excuses they made, the demands they made -- just ridiculous. Is this what it's come to with studios? On the other hand ... Like you said, your nephew seemed to like it. There was light applause. Ebert hated it, a lot of critics have hated it (hell, Entertainment Weekly gave it an F), and yet ... And yet ... What's going on here? Is it possible that "Clone Wars" is "Star Wars" light? That people are reviewing the movie they THOUGHT they were going to get (including Ebert) and not the movie they got? I saw it in an audience packed with kids. Kids who were more or less the same age when I saw "Star Wars." And they loved it. I don't mean they gave it a begrudging pass. I mean, they were applauding when Ahsoka came to Anakin's rescue, they were cheering (not a little bit) when she came through the door of Jabba's palace again. You know, the funny thing is, one of my absolute favorite Ebert reviews is of "Willy Wonka," a movie that was mostly reviled when it came out and nearly bankrupted not just Paramount but also Quaker Oats. He wrote, "Kids are not stupid," and more or less ridiculed adults who didn't get it. I feel the same about this movie. And despite your incessant and unnecessary use of profanity, which hides your somewhat reasoned critcism, you've got a point buried in there. See, I've actually read some glowing reviews of this movie. Not passable, but appreciative and excited. Reviews that pointed out that it's for kids, first and foremost. The worst, I think, that can be said for this movie is that it doesn't look like anything else we've seen (Ebert got it right that it's retro, but I don't agree that different/retro is bad) and that it's got a VERY simplistic story. From what I heard at the Television Critics' Association, the 30 minutes they showed there has more depth, more darkness, more intrigue, more character development than this entire film. Maybe this was the wrong movie to make to lead off the series. Or ... maybe not. Because those kids around me were peeing their pants with excitement to go right back in and see it all again!

  • Warner Bros. STILL gets the money and YOU know a good portion of Titanic's box office was from kids sneaking into R rated films, paying for Titanic!

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:34 p.m. CST

    Oh, and by the way

    by Termigoonie

    As far as I'm concerned, George Lucas can make whatever he wants to make. When he does well, everyone fawns over him. When he doesn't, they act like the world has just ended, cinematically speaking. And he goes right on doing it. Good for him.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:35 p.m. CST



    anything lucas related gets crazy!

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Roger Ebert's review is almost worse than Harry's

    by robotdevil

    check it out on his website. He doesn't drop the f-bomb as often, but trashed it.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:36 p.m. CST

    its not relly a movie though is it...

    by dalbatron

    hes stitched a few episodes together and charging for it... I checked in the dictionary and the correct word for a person who does this to the people who put food on his table is... cunt

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:38 p.m. CST

    Right on Termigoonie

    by Larry Sellers

    I was thinking the exact same thing. Lucas is an unstoppable force of hit and miss. You can hate what he's done all you want...but ultimately he won't care. It's an admirable trait, but a weakness that causes a fuckload of people to hate your work.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:39 p.m. CST

    seriously, let's not sink Titanic.

    by greenstyle92

    If Dark Knight were number 1, surely we would see the same kind of mega-backlash on Dark Knight and Dark Knight would become a big joke like Titanic. So, if you actually like Dark Knight, don't try to make it number one. But making it the weekend we displace original star wars would be sweet...

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:42 p.m. CST


    by wonderllama

    For a franchise aimed at the kids, or as Harry put it, the kid in us, there seems to be a history of child or childlike characters having a negative impact on this universe. Stinky the Huttlet... Lumpy the Wookiee... Ewoks.... Jake Lloyd.... Jar Jar Binks (child like)... R2D2 flying.... Don't even start me on that R2 flying business, that was just moronic. HOWEVER...this series has ALWAYS been aimed at children...not fanboys, not adults...children, and Harry said that his nephews or kids or adopted Thai refugees, whoever the hell he took with him, he said that they ENJOYED IT. KIDS enjoyed it. The TARGET AUDIENCE...they enjoyed it. Most of us are just as feral about Star Wars as Harry claims he is, and yes, some of us have pumped a fair bit of cash into Uncle George's pockets over the years (we all saw how he spent some on that neck tuck a few years back)...we get pleasure, he gets pleasure. Don't get all over the top because you didn't enjoy something not aimed at you anyway. Not everything with the name Star Wars attached to it is automatically including YOU in the target audience...the sooner you haters all come to terms with that, the better off you'll be.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:43 p.m. CST

    its back

    by BrightEyes

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:44 p.m. CST

    D. Vader

    by dalbatron

    Fair and elloquent speech, well constructed and executed... you have my sincere apologies.... so whats this about Paris Hilton's cunt?

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:45 p.m. CST

    I have to say it now....

    by Gungan Slayer

    Star Wars has been RAPED. Then killed and RAPED AGAIN. This one really hurts.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:46 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Hey, I'm a Vern fan too. Just ribbin ya.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:47 p.m. CST

    Hey Larry Sellers

    by Termigoonie

    It's a trait we claim that we appreciate and supposedly celebrate in people -- unabashed independence and the big "F-U" to everyone else. Ironically enough, it's the very same streak that runs through what Harry does. It's just that somehow we expect people to FAIL when they do it. Lucas has succeeded way more often than failed. And if this movie fails, I guarantee it may cause Lucas to lick a few wounds privately, but he'll be right back with something else. And he'll endure wrath for not making it the way he "should" -- even while "independence" remains something we supposedly endorse as a strength. It's kind of bizarre.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:48 p.m. CST

    That's not my problem jackass

    by eggart

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:49 p.m. CST

    Wow, kids liked it?!

    by Scapulawings

    So they like the new Star Wars movies AND when someone makes a fart noise too?! Why is it that kids get to decide if a Star Wars movie is good? Kids are idiots. The difference between us as kids watching the old trilogy and the new generation watching the new movies is that the old trilogy actually withstands the test of time. Do you really think people are going to grow up and still enjoy Jar Jar fart jokes? Kids may enjoy that BS now but that won't last. That's what happens when you pander and gear something directly at childrens sensibilities. It just doesn't stand the test of time.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:49 p.m. CST


    by boogy110

    SUCKS There are 7 movies 3 sucked, now add another to the suck ration and it's sucks 4 awsome3 Due the math! Lucas is a rapist. In the sense that he take all the fanboys for every dime they have. Remember when all the starwars hype came back I believe in 95 to 97? He released the original trilogy on VHS non special edition, non wide screen. Then after every fanboy breaks their piggy bank and waste their money. He released The wide screen non special edition on VHS. After fanboys waste their money on that shit. A few months later or maybe a year he does the SAME FUCKING SHIT with the Special Editions!!! Yet fanboys still take the shit and eat it with a smile. The moment I heard of this CLONE WARS shit comming to theaters I made a decision NEVER to see it. George Lucas will continue to do this because he KNOWS that the fanboys will dish out their hard earned cash for this crap and in turn will never move out of their parent's basement. SAVE YOUR MONEY GUYS n GALS. The sith have won, STARWARS no matter how great it was in the 70's and 80's was, is now oficially over.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:49 p.m. CST


    by dalbatron

    Oh i thought it was over used and tired, just like clone wars....

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:50 p.m. CST

    my bad

    by boogy110

    for some misspellings above

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:53 p.m. CST

    Prequels were the worst things to happen to the OT

    by PirateEmery

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:53 p.m. CST

    "The Clone Wars" is the worst thing to happen to the prequels.

    by PirateEmery

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:55 p.m. CST

    Oh by the way

    by boogy110

    After watching the dark knight......yes, I'm going to say it....It is now my opinion that it surpasses any of the starwars films.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:55 p.m. CST

    Seriously, from a SW fan perspective, I'm right.

    by PirateEmery

    This Padawan character basically nullifies anything that built up in Episode III. Anakin is not supposed to have a padawan or have anything even remotely similar to the rank of Master. He is supposed to stay under Yoda and Windu's thumb for the entirety of the Clone Wars.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:57 p.m. CST

    Enough of the clone wars.

    by richjb77

    many people have not read the books based after Return of the Jedi. Do an animated series about that. I am sure the original cast ( sans Harrison Ford) would do the voices. I'm tired of this clone war era. We know the ending. We know who dies. Who cares

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:58 p.m. CST

    slippery slope to mediocrity

    by bluerider74

    Once George allowed his dark and foreboding technological empire to be undone by a rag-tag bunch of furry bipedal chipmunks in a less- than-epic battle involving rocks and sticks, the writing was on the wall for this once engaging mythology. My children, one a decade old and the other 14 years old, have both seen through the ruse of George's remaining so-called artistic vision. While they endured the "bombads", "poo doos", the wookies' Tarzan cries, and the very painful romantic dialogue about "returning to the lake country" when they were several years younger, they have since become very cynical about these movies. Yes, good old George has beaten this dead horse one too many times. When this movie previewed in front of Wall-e, both my boys looked at me and said "meh, looks lame" and quickly forgot about the preview after viewing much better films: Wall-e, Hellboy 2, and The Dark Knight. Since then my 14 year old, who was the true Star Wars fanatic among the two, has boxed up his collection of action figures, going back to when he was a mere 5 years old, and said he can no longer watch even the original trilogy because of the way the whole disastrous prequel trilogy turned out. As for me, I have seen Empire Strikes Back more times than is healthy for my marriage, and I haven't seen it since I watched Anakin first say "From my point of view, the Jedi are evil!" Gasp! My boys don't stop and look at the new action figures or ships, and frankly, I only see 30+ year-old men doing that anymore, trying to conjure up some feeling of nostalgia this franchise once generated so easily. As for me, no thanks George, I have moved on. I would rather give my money to charity.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:59 p.m. CST

    And so it begins....

    by G100

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:02 a.m. CST

    Bring back the Ewok adventure movies

    by Pizza The Hut

    ...and the Star Wars Holiday Special!

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:04 a.m. CST


    by Kragmose


  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:06 a.m. CST

    Jar Jar is featured in the series

    by Trazadone


  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:07 a.m. CST

    Easy on the whole explanation though Harry !!

    by G100

    You could easily overwhelm us with all the detail in this special edition.<p> <p>I guess it's left to talkbackers to make their own minds up why Haarry let Warner, Lucasfilm and Lucas tell him when to post his review then.<p> <p>Looking forward to the rest of the reviews that were pulled though. From the Embargoed AND the public screenings.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:11 a.m. CST

    You Idiot, The Dark Knight will never pass Star Wars

    by Darth-Mike

    It has to make almost 3 times the kind of money It has done so far to really pass It.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:12 a.m. CST

    Filoni out there?

    by plocock

    We know you're reading this. Defend yourself man! WTF?

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:22 a.m. CST

    The REVIEW AICN wouldn't post

    by Darth-Mike

    I saw this last saturday. I’ll try to keep It light in spoilers I wont get to plot details because we already know what is It about, don’t we?. Alright, you wanted Star Wars??? YOU GOT IT!!!! Specially more WARS than anything else. The movie is action packed, and I mean It! I think at least 85% of the movie is action, action and more action. It’s an action driven movie, It starts with the Warner logo (with the typical Warner piano music), Lucasfilm’s logo, a long time ago screen, and then BAM! The CLONE WARS logo zooms out (not the STAR WARS logo) The main title theme is not used here but the new version made for the show (I like to call this version the “Nightly SW News” version) then it cuts into what looks like a homage to old WWII propaganda news report from the front lines. I think this intro will be used on all shows, and the “news report” will surely explain what happened on previous episodes. Anyway I won’t speak about the plot as I said before. One of the things I loved the most about the movie was the relationships of characters, there’s a lot of interaction between Obi-Wan and Anakin and of course our new padawan Ahsoka. You first think Ahsoka is one of the reasons why Anakin went to the Dark side. I mean she is reckless, defiant, pretentious, a smartass but as time goes by you start to know her better and you can see she is also smart, humble and the Force is strong with her. I sense this relationship will be one of the greatest things the show will have. I also loved the tactical/military side of the clone army, something we really didn’t see in the movies. On the other side, I remember reading someone saying they overused the “Roger, Roger” of the Battledroids to the point where It becomes silly and kiddy. This is definitely not true, in fact one the most fun you’ll have on this movie will be the Battledroids, if you think you knew Battledroids, think again. There’s this feel of Humor/Sarcasm in the dialogs through the whole movie, I felt it was a nice appropriate addition. Count Dooku does a whole lot more here than in any of the prequels which is kind of cool. One thing that will drive some mothers nuts if they see the movie with their little kids is Jabba’s Uncle, he is a “Mr. drag queen lord of the biotch’s pimp birdcage” type of gangster, owner of a bar/stripclub in Coruscant. Lastly I find the soundtrack revolutionary for a SW film, there’s lots of electric guitars, choirs and metal rock feel. If you have already heard the samples already available on the net you know what I mean. Now, some of the things I didn’t love include: Jabba’s son, I imagined him a little Hutt boy or teenage Hutt type but he is just a little baby! He could barely move, he even cries like a human baby at times. There’s also this overuse of nick names through the movie which for me it didn’t fit quite well inside a SW movie (Skyguy, Huttie, stinky, are a few examples), the voice acting is quite good (Anakin sounds better than Hayden) but even though the guy that does Obi-Wan’s voice does It very well you can tell Its not Ewan McGregor so you kind of miss him in that role. Last but not least, John Williams STAR WARS themes are barely used but I only realized this once the movie ended so I guess it’s not that bad. The soundtrack is actually quite good so you won’t notice either. Overall this will be a great experience for everyone, kids and adults (theres lots of beheadings). I’m sorry for the haters but STAR WARS is Back! and It seems It is here to stay. I loved this movie and Im sure fans and haters will love It equally.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:22 a.m. CST

    Lucas digs his heals in and . . .

    by aboriginal

    . . . just doesn't give a flying squirrel. I truly think he's too old to make it anymore and with such overwhelming control of it all it'll never break free - it's already way too late. I've seen attitude like this before and watched it screw over a company and Lucas' attitude is no different. He's a guy with almost no real talent who lucked the fuck out with shitloads of talent around him and we all should be that lucky.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:32 a.m. CST

    Am hoping this makes f@#k all and Lucas learns his lesson

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Though you guys voted Bush in again, so don't have a lot of confidence in the US to come through.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:32 a.m. CST

    My 7 year-old can't wait!

    by vic twenty

    And if he likes it, I'll like it for making him happy. I suppose there are few kid's shows that could stand a theatrical run by stringing a few episodes together. Especially having to live up to the pedigree this one has. That Ashoka already has me grinding my teeth, though.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:33 a.m. CST

    And the plants arrive too

    by G100

    Everything that has transpired has done so according to my design. ;-)

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:34 a.m. CST

    George has so little real talent

    by Termigoonie

    He's been nominated for two Academy Awards for best screenplay, two Academy Awards for best directing and has received both the Irving Thalberg Award and the AFI Lifetime Achievement Award. That's pretty good "validation" from the outside for a guy with no real talent, kind of.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:34 a.m. CST

    Damn 7 yeard olds!!! Teach them to like quality

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    ....or bribe them with toys instead!!

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:36 a.m. CST

    George had talent...

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Then he got greedy and lazy, and quickly worked out "brand" merchandising is financially more succesful than quality...the McDonalds principle

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:37 a.m. CST

    I've got my giant glass of pop and a large popcorn

    by Xiphos_2

    I'm now ready for the shitstorm that's a-coming.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:38 a.m. CST

    20% on RT - can it get lower ?

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:38 a.m. CST

    Filoni Doesn't Have to Defend Himself

    by Termigoonie

    He made a "Star Wars" movie that's a lot of fun. Heard from a friend in Seattle, a friend in Baltimore and a friend in Orlando that they all went to advance screenings and that the audience was going nuts over the movie. Maybe it'll make 20 bucks, maybe it'll make 20 million, maybe it'll make 200 million, who knows. Who cares? It's gotten SO MUCH PUBLICITY that those who hate it will be tuning in to Cartoon Network this fall to see whether the TV series "sucks" just as bad, and those who love it will be tuning in to Cartoon Network this fall for more. And the best part is, you can watch it and claim you didn't ....AND NO ONE WILL KNOW if you're sitting in your Darth Vader pajamas, squeezing your Jar-Jar Binks doll and playing with your "Clone Wars" Happy Meal toys. You can deny everything. But you WILL be watching. And in 30 years, today's kids will show this one to their kids and everyone will scratch their heads and say "someone actually spent the energy to HATE this little thing"? And "Star Wars" will still be around.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:39 a.m. CST

    I do my best, Musashi...

    by vic twenty

    He usually calls crap for what it is. He LOVED Dark Knight. (I'm totally kidding - please don't flame me.)

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:39 a.m. CST

    9% on Rotten Tomatoes = $95 million

    by Termigoonie

    For a little somethin' called "Norbit." Ah, critics. You gotta love 'em.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:40 a.m. CST

    hey Xiphos

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    - how goes it ?

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:41 a.m. CST

    So, D. Vader, you're saying they're lying, right?

    by Termigoonie

    That Moriarty and Harry are lying about signing a "pre-nup" so they could still be in favor with WB? Either they lied, which makes them hypocrites, or they had an embargo and broke it, which makes them foolish. But either way, hopefully Warner's has learned its lesson -- "embargoes" don't work.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:42 a.m. CST

    Back-Door Shenanigans

    by vic twenty

    Probably means someone took a corncob to Harold's anus for posting the truth. Oh well, dmned if you do, etc.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:45 a.m. CST

    Corncob - scary scary image

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Its the kind of image you have to store in your mind so next time you are at work and the hot little intern bends over your desk and get a little excited, you can remember this image and actually leave your seat.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:47 a.m. CST


    by Xiphos_2

    Things are well pal. How goes the battle with you? Are you back in the Land Of the Rising Sun or are you slipping another shrimp on the barbi down under?

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:47 a.m. CST

    Harry has offically lost it!

    by blebrun

    I am obviously a Star Wars fan. This movie was the coolest thing i have seen in a long time. 10/10 for entertainment. Stinky the Huttlett was the fist time I have laughed out loud in a Star Wars movie in the past 4 films. I also LOVED Ziro the Hutt. Harry - youve changed man.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:49 a.m. CST

    Harry: How about another James Cameron correspondence?

    by Rindain

    Off-topic I know, but we need more Cameron after what Lucas has pulled!

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:50 a.m. CST

    This movie is shit for any movie, not just Star Wars

    by Womb2dooM

    Truly, insultingly ordinary. But some people are liking it. Damned if I know why. I think it's the same reasoning behind parents liking the Wiggles. They don't actually like the Wiggles, they just like that the kids are bugging them with food requests.<P>Show me one childless 16+ person who likes this movie. You show me that and I'll show you a prostitute!<P>Also, this movie doesn't need to make any money. It's a TV show theatrically released. Genius on Georges part. It actually looks like a TV show. LAME animation, dull sound and limp music on the big screen. It's hoodwinked with lightsabres.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:51 a.m. CST

    It's WB who should be making a statement

    by Termigoonie

    Sounds like they owe an explanation. Would be very interesting to hear their side.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:52 a.m. CST

    Xiphos still in Land of Hot Girls (Japan not Australia)

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    Off topic, but been watching Generation Kill, have you watched it at all ? <p> Accurate at all ? <p> My impression is that I feel sorry for some of the marines, but like some of them shake my head at some of the decisions made at upper levels. <p> And feel sick when I see I some of the bombings on civillian settlements, with big issues around lack of intelligence.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:53 a.m. CST


    by sewiz

    I doubt anyone will read this...but I hate it when someone like Wonderllama here says that Star Wars was always aimed at kids...that is total wasn't until Return of the Jedi that Lucas started painting the series as a kids movie. Just look at the first five minutes of A New Hope...Vader strolls into a corridor strewn with dead bodies and proceeds to crush the throat of a rebel...oh yeah what a great start to a kids movie....sheesh...just because kids can enjoy what Harry referred to here (the Wonder and fantasy and adventrue) does not make it a kids was the kidification of the series that ultimatly has made it the limp noodle it is today.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:53 a.m. CST

    I'm with you, Blebrun

    by Termigoonie

    I might hit 9/10, not quite 10 (Obi-Wan "surrendering" is pretty bizarre), but, man, when's the last time I smiled in a SW movie? When's the last time I laughed at a line (I LOVED Ahsoka's line about "enthusiasm" -- I genuinely laughed aloud)? When's the last time I worried about the fate of a character? Yeah, I know, I know, people here will call me stupid. It took me about five minutes to get into the animation -- then I completely forgot about it. There's room for improvement, it's their first time out in this mode. But, man, I thought this was a great time at the movies.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:55 a.m. CST

    and aren't WB swimming in the Dark Knight $$

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

    ala Scrooge McDuck

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:58 a.m. CST

    The first STAR WARS was an accident...

    by Bob Cryptonight

    I mean, Georgie was a hungry young filmmaker and his BRAIN was in an entirely different place. But by JEDI he was already starting to show his lack of skill and understanding of what made the first film good. No wonder EVERYTHING he touches now is shit.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:59 a.m. CST


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  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1 a.m. CST

    More than Likely........

    by the1980mutant

    They should have just put this thing on a Saturday morning cartoon lineup.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:05 a.m. CST

    Star Wars died Harry with the Special Edtions of the originals

    by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz

    Those sucked and so did the prequels. Lucas is a money grubbing shyster who has ruined his legacy. Everything he touches now turns to shit. It looks like you've finally learned what many of us figured out a long time ago in a movie theater far far away, Star Wars sucks. <BR> <BR> Like you Harry I grew up with Star Wars. I saw it in 1977 when my father took me to see "a new hope" which back than was only titled Star Wars as Security Square Mall in Woodlawn, MD. I saw Empire and Jedi on their premieres in the 80s. I was like you a die hard. Than Lucas re-released Star Wars in their special editions and I knew when I saw a CGI Jabba something was very very wrong. Still I went to see the others and while the thrill was still there for me being able to see most of what was the originals in tact on the big screen I still knew in my heart that it didn't feel right. <BR> <BR> Enter the prequels. I waited in line with everyone else to see The Phantom Menace on opening day at The Senator in Baltimore an like most left feeling numb and betrayed. Still I went to see Clone Wars and Revenge because I felt like I had to. After Lucas turned Vader into a whiny bitch in a black suit I truly can never look at Star Wars the same way again. It's been totally 100% ruined, destroyed. I will never watch The Clone Wars, ever. I could care less. Fuck Lucas and fuck Star Wars.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:06 a.m. CST

    i thought this review would get more coverage

    by chipps

    i didn't even realise harry was planning a review of this movie. so did you like it or what?

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:10 a.m. CST

    Star Wars didn't die -- you grew up

    by Termigoonie

    And the first time you got a taste of being grown up was when you couldn't handle the Ewoks. It's OK to grow up. But don't disparage the things of your youth. Yes, "Star Wars" was a kids' film, the way "Snow White" or "The Adventures of Robin Hood" was -- a kids' film adults could like, too. And I'm not alone in being an adult who liked "The Clone Wars" along with kids. How a movie can "betray" you, though, has always been beyond me. Your thoughts betray you (to quote a certain villain), and your own hopes betray you ... but a movie is what it is. It's sad when someone pins the unhappiness of their life to the quality of a movie. It really is just kind of sad.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:11 a.m. CST

    Kids won't necessarily like it.

    by bluerider74

    Mine could care less. They already saw a brilliantly animated film earlier this summer and can tell this one is a warmed-over turd of half-baked ideas pasted together on a dry erase board (decision tree style) over stale coffee in some conference room at Lucasfilm. Older children know when they are being patronized and aren't going to show up for fart jokes and Stinky the Hutt, not to mention some all-new character mimicking Miley Cyrus. Just like when Lucas let Timberlake and his band play Jedi in the big battle of Episode 2. A New Hope and Empire were not children's movies in the modern sense, they were a bit more like a Grimm fairy tale, very dark and moody. The first half of ROTJ was almost to that level until it disintegrated into a tale of plucky marsupials knocking down heavily armored shock troops with twigs and berries. Regardless, there are enough people out there willing to give up their hard-earned cash for crass entertainment that this should only encourage George on his ill-begotten path.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:11 a.m. CST

    Off topic, like it matters in this talkback, but...

    by nomihs

    Not a fan of that style animation, maybe it's an aquired taste, like scotch. BUT, regarding QT's Inglorious film. Is it called Inglorious Bastards, or Basterds? With an A or an E? I heard it was with an E. Which makes everyone a misspeller.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:12 a.m. CST


    by vic twenty

    Its OK to watch whan these air on TV. Nobody will ever know. I hear you though, I saw TOS in the theater, a die hard through and through. Of course, by the time Sith came out I could barely be bothered to see it once.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:13 a.m. CST

    Metacritic score is 40

    by Termigoonie

    Better than RT, but not great. Then again, you know, like I said, 9% for the $95 million hit "Norbit" kinda says where the critic/public division lies.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:16 a.m. CST


    by Xiphos_2

    I have not seen Generation Kill, I'm deployed. From what I understand from the grapevine the show is accurate because the source material was accurate. The Rolling Stone artical and The book were heavily vetted by the subjects and some of the real Marines were involved with the production as advisors..<p>I'll tell ya, you can never underestimate the stupidity of Officers or the weakness of intel.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:16 a.m. CST

    So Clone wars is as good as Norbit ?

    by G100

    That explains everything... EVERYTHING!!

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:18 a.m. CST

    And what of the Wyrm?

    by L.H.Puttgrass

    I can get to the TB but not the review.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:19 a.m. CST

    and frankly...

    by bluerider74

    it is not even the fact these movies are so poorly done that is the tragedy. It is that he keeps making them and just. won't. quit. Please George, for the love of God, stop. It's okay to let go and admit you have no more ideas. You have billions in your bank account. Go cure AIDS or build an orphanage or something.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:20 a.m. CST

    Generation Kill is extremely close to the book

    by G100

    And Fruity Rudy is the REAL Fruity Rudy.<p> <p>It's the best Television of the year along with series 5 of the Wire of course.<p> <p>Screwby!

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:24 a.m. CST

    Just saw it - 10 mins ago

    by Commander Rah

    Aside from the lousy new take on the main theme- this ain't such a bad CG movie. I wouldn't say it felt wrong like Harry the Hutt did, but there are definitely some different takes on Star Wars going on here. First off, Ziro the Hutt is a BOOB. There is no way that kind of character (I think Charles Nelson Reilly in Cannonball Run 2 is what they were going for?!) is going to fly in live action. He was sinister, in a Pink Flamingos way, and now we know how a Hutt from Baltimore would dress. Second, Plo Koon is only in 2 damn scenes but at least he's shown doing more here than he ever did in EPs1-3. Overall the Starship Troopers-ish propaganda-ish prologue was a plus- I got into that. Once again Luminara, Plo, and Kit are wallpaper. A fan commented to me that he thought Tsui Choi would be in it as well (?!). Third, this movie is long. You've got half an hour of Anakin and Ben fighting on Krypton in the beginning and Ashoka's annoying teenybopper comments made the movie seem longer than it was, a bit dry for my taste there. How many close ups of her were there? There was like 6 within 25 minutes! Once again Ben ends up telling the story and Anakin is kicked in the teeth by his past. Fourth, it needed more details. Why couldn't we see like one of Jabba's court denziens? We barely glimpsed that green crystal planet, and the 2nd new planet that's shown, Tet I think it was, has no distinguishing features of its own; the hideout even looked similar to Jabba's (although the movie gets a point for a discussion about that). I thought Jabba's son was great, belch and all, and Ashoka was far more annoying with her six comments in a row about the Huttling being sick. But while Harry isn't right about Jabba's son, his is right about Filoni; the guy's hackney- he had no idea what to do with Asajj and Dooku would've followed suit had Mr. Lee not provided voice acting for him. Some shots were sloppy and no new ground was covered in the clone or droid territory. Throwing Padme in near the end worked like a charm- her espionage costume was the bees' knees. The sitar synth music ruled. Can't wait for the series.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:25 a.m. CST


    by whooooooop

    just saw it..and its its not perfect, and yes its aimed at kids, but i get a half hour of THAT every week?!...HAHA....havent felt like that for years..

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:25 a.m. CST

    in defense of the PT

    by GavinVanDraven

    i love the entire star wars saga. yes i love the OT and the PT and i am 32 years old. can you fathom it? yes there is goofiness in the Pt... but there were also ewoks in the OT. the PT featured the greatest "scheme" in movie history as far as i am concerned. Palp's rise to power was incredibly well done. who would start a war on their own people just to gain power.... hmmmmm. and playing all sides like that.... the manipulation was brilliant. i also think the parallels between the 2 trilogies are outstanding. (those who whine about Anakin's fall because of his fear of his nightmares coming true must be forgetting that is the same reason Luke stopped his training with Yoda to go rescue his friends. a vision of the future nearly cost Luke his life and nearly turned him to the dark side) The PT makes the OT BETTER. there is so much more depth and meaning to everything in the OT because of the PT. so what if there was some bad acting? there was also moments of brilliance. Anakin's body language and the cadence in his voice in episode 3 was very similar to Vader in episode 4. and in episode 2 he acted exactly like Luke does in episode 4. it goes to show just how close Luke was to falling down the same path. that being said, yes i hate Jar Jar, yes i hate the droid jokes... but all in all, great action, great fun in that PT. the darth Maul duel puts all the others to shame.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:26 a.m. CST

    And By the Way

    by whooooooop

    all the kinds who stayed up for the midnight show were Screaming with excitement through most of the action scenes which was like the whole movie....haha...!

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:26 a.m. CST

    but this new cartoon

    by GavinVanDraven

    looks god awful... i really hope they salvage the series when it comes to TNT or whatever... does anyone know when that starts?

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:30 a.m. CST

    the live action series....

    by GavinVanDraven

    had better include vader's secret apprentice... not every episode mind you, but every once in a while... would be a nice touch. like 1 out of every 4. and there is no reason vader himself cant appear from time to time, (James Earl Jones' voice and somebody other than Hayden in the suit please?)... or palpy, or Jimmy Smits for that matter....

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:31 a.m. CST

    cuz you cant have star wars without a lightsabre battle every on

    by GavinVanDraven

    nuf said.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:32 a.m. CST

    every once in a while...

    by GavinVanDraven

    i was cut off! dammit!

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:32 a.m. CST

    I'm Not Seeing It Now

    by LaserPants

    Not just because of the embargo (usually a tell), but because of the reviews I've been reading, including Harry's, some of whom are flying the Star Wars flag, straight up hating this movie. No thanks. Think I'll go see TDK in IMAX again and wait for dvd (or tv) on this turd.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:33 a.m. CST


    by codymr

    There have been reviews up on Rotten Tomatoes since Wednesday. To bad this didn't work, so I think I may pass on this SW film. Might check it our on TV though. Anyone wish they made this 3D animated series about the pre-A-New-Hope adventures of Han Solo, Chewie and Lando? It would be nice to see some of the OT characters in action again. Let's hope the live action series works out better.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:34 a.m. CST

    The appeal of Star Wars (OT) was always in the FX.

    by RandySavage

    The script and acting have never been these films' real strength, but seeing the OT in 1977-1984 was such a quantum leap forward that it was as if one day you're mode of transportation was a rickshaw and the next day it was an AH-64 Apache. The models of the OT still look superior to today's CG. With the Prequels, the script, characters, plotting and acting took a nose dive and the FX were no longer something unique... hence the monumental failure of those films (for me).

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:35 a.m. CST


    by The Marquis de Side 3

    seriously the animation NEVER made me want to watch this. why could they get Tartakovsky? <br> oh well. time to see "DARK KNIGHT!" again and make 'em another $400 gajillion...

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:46 a.m. CST

    My biggest problem with Clone Wars

    by Series7

    Is that no fucking channel is airing the original show reruns right now? WTF? My DRV is hungry damnit!

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:48 a.m. CST

    If this is escape,

    by malificus

    where's the pod?

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:49 a.m. CST


    by Galva

    If Harry actually maintains that the NT are worth a damn, yet hates this... think I'll stay away. The only reason I thought this dog would hunt is because Lucas wasn't writing or directing. Silly me.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:53 a.m. CST

    Keep it in perspective, boys...

    by My friends call me Killjoy

    This is an animated Star Wars TV show for kids. They took the first 3-4 episodes and make an introductory movie to get publicity and make some cash. I saw it at 12:01 and although, for me, it was just "ok", the kids in the audience loved it, and so did some adults. Don't expect it to match or exceed the quality of the prequels in any regard, but if you give it a chance, you might enjoy it for what it is.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:54 a.m. CST

    Almost, but not quite

    by zer05um

    I have to say I kinda liked it. It's better than Menace and probably better than Clones. The real problem is that where it does fall over it really faceplants. The huttlet is bad, and Ziro is frankly ghastly. The rest, not bad at all (although Asouka grates a little), but it really does get hurt by the two whoppers. 2.5 / 5

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 2:04 a.m. CST

    Force Unleashed

    by topher tencha

    A book store in the mall I work at had the graphic novel out on the floor. Just finished it and it's fantastic!! Great story between Eps 3-4 that'll make you wish that this was the movie they animated for the big screen. Oh well it'll be a fun video game anyway.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 2:13 a.m. CST


    by The Guy Who Slept Through Everything.

    What the fuck else is new?

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 2:17 a.m. CST

    i was going to see this

    by deanbarry

    but now i'm afraid my brain will pack it's bags, exit through my eyeballs, and run sreaming from the cinema. shame.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 2:43 a.m. CST

    I sense something.....

    by afraidoffans

    ..something I've not sensed since... *walks off*

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 2:46 a.m. CST


    by Phategod1

    it sucked Yeah now lets go set Skywalker ranch a blaze and elect Genndy the new head of lucasarts.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 2:48 a.m. CST

    oh yeah and Obi won sounds like

    by Phategod1

    Eddie Izzard

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 2:49 a.m. CST


    by Wed Vid Guy

    Enjoy it for what it is? Sorry but those 3 minute shorts spoiled the shit out of us. They had more of the heart and soul of Star Wars than all the prequels combined.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 2:52 a.m. CST

    Truly, Truly, Truly dreadful

    by MolaRambo

    Star Wars as we know and loved it is finally dead in the water. This movie is truly abysmal. It's not even fun in a truly bad way. From the voice-over, to the look, to the Turd Hutt to the dreadful Ziro to the overly obvious lets-make-a-hip-annoying-hannah-montana-type-jedi-chick-with-sass to aid Anakin. Now, if this movie is set between EP2 and EP3, how the fuck does Anakin have a padawan as a padawan?????

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 2:53 a.m. CST

    There are no Star Wars films after Jedi (original, not SE).

    by Amy Chasing

    Any "prequel" is just a feature-length DVD extra. <P> They should make animated stuff from the Star Wars comics. 'nuff said.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 3:13 a.m. CST

    star trek did exactly the same thing

    by Mr_X

    rip the piss out of fanboys and produce any old shit cause they know that suckers will but it, buy the vhs tape, delay and release it on dvd, and then release it on blueray 2 years later. To get every last penny from the fans. we're wise to your shit!

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 3:36 a.m. CST

    "Hearing electric guitars..."

    by my liege

    With that one line, I've gone from paying to see the film to illegally downloading it.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 3:39 a.m. CST

    Greedo shot first

    by Rupee88

    those words say it all

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 3:53 a.m. CST

    Wow, I love this special Edition Of Harry's Review

    by theycallmemrglass

    becasue its exactly the same as the Old one. Han shot first. Yeah. Fuck yeah. Special Edition. Hail Harry for Special Edition. Seriously, why say special Edition will be posted? What is Harry taking us for? Anyway, thanks for the review. I'll watch the Clone wars with much lower expectations than I already had! Oh and Moriarty really needs to lighten up his attitude. He closed the previous Clone Wars talkback (see end post there) with a very bitter and battered tone saying "Okay... by TheRealMoriarty Aug 14th, 2008 11:05:37 PM ... and now that the CLONE WARS reviews are starting to go up, I'm shutting this talkback down. It's a huge one, and a bit of a drain on the server, so if you would, please move the ongoing conversation to the individual reviews as they post." DRAIN ON THE SERVER???? Come on. DOnt treat us like idiots or nuisance kids. I can load up this Talkback on my mobile phone. Telling me this post is going to drain the server? Sheesh.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 3:54 a.m. CST

    Any positive "review" or positive post is planted

    by Knugen

    FUCK STAR WARS! (except OT and OCL [Original Clone Wars?] of course) LUCAS - Fuck Off And Die Already!

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 3:54 a.m. CST

    John Williams

    by Mr Gorilla

    Dammit Harry is right. Through all the worst moments of the prequels I clung on to Williams' music. His love theme in Episode 2 helped me forget all that 'discussing democracy in between snogs' stuff. His amazing choral theme in Episode 3 gave the thing a genuinely monumental feel. A Star Wars film without Williams? I ain't going to it! (NB comparatively, I really don't miss Williams in the recent Harry Potter films, although the best score of all 5 so far is his Azkaban one.)

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 4:07 a.m. CST

    Much Kudos for Moriarty. He speaks his mind

    by G100

    And takes a fucking stance.<p> <p>And yes, this talkback needs some serious weedkiller to take out some of the more laughably obvious Lucas drones and plants.<p> <p>Hear me Planty McPlants. You are shilling for a worthless piece of shit film and an obnoxious yesterdays man.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 4:07 a.m. CST

    Black New Orleans Crack-Dealing Whore? I'm So there!!

    by Stalkeye

    Seriously, this looks like shit when i first saw the trailers,Lucas will further analrape the loser fanboys who would flock to see what should have been a direct-to-video release.Now where's my CGI Resident Evil Movie? (Degeneration)now there's an animated release that will be worth the hype unlike "Bone Wars".

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 4:26 a.m. CST

    Better than Episode 2 anyway (okay that's easy)

    by Roderich

    There are some wasted opportunities here, but ths movie was beautiful and fun. I saw it with my daughter, who adored it and had no problem whatsoever with the story or the characters. Me neither. Some points to consider (SPOILER alert):<p>Zero the Hut lives in Coruscant, is decadent, corrupt and a traitor to his clan. Of course he speaks english and decorates hinself, drag queen or not.<p>Ashoka is like an easy going Anakin, put on him as padawan to mirror himself and learn about himself. This - excuse me - makes PERFECTLY sense and did work in the movie quite well, especially as there is much more relationship and development between these two than f.e. between Anakin and Padme or also Anakin and Obi Wan.<p>The Artwork and Animation were outstandig and the action well paced and regarding the vertical attack even breathtaking. The lasersword-duels were not so exciting of course because there was no real danger for our heroes, but that is a problem of the expanded universe all the time an i could live with that.<p>"Stinky" was cute and funny and the _ultrastupid_ robots were as well. I laughed and my daughter laughed. Maybe because we took the movie as what it is: a more or less light hearted Star Wars Adventure from the "Expanded Universe" with georgeous graphics (exception: the animation when people were walking slowly seemd awkward) and nonstop-action.<p>To optimize the hate-output i will post this here and in Capones's thread, harhar.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 5:10 a.m. CST

    17% at rottentomatoes

    by Shadow Warrior

    no thanks, enough star wars for me. enjoy kiddies.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 5:10 a.m. CST

    Hutt's are supposed to be Hermaphrodites.

    by Smashing

    That's how I remember if from the 80's. This all sounds really lame, I loved the first lot of CW toons, this looks hokey.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 5:39 a.m. CST

    I already saw a CGI animated Star Wars

    by depalma25

    In fact I've seen three of them...with the prequels!

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 5:49 a.m. CST

    If Harry Hated it

    by hoisin

    then it's probably Oscar worthy judging by his batch of recent reviews.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 6 a.m. CST


    by semisaj

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 6:25 a.m. CST

    16 months til AVATAR

    by kwisatzhaderach

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 6:42 a.m. CST

    This movie was pretty shitty

    by Cruel_Kingdom

    It felt very STV. Lucas couldn't even be bothered to use the real actors other than Sam Jackson and Christopher Lee. This movie sucked kind of. And the animation made Anakin look like he was scowling all the time. He looked like a whiny bitch.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 7:10 a.m. CST

    Are so called fans actually DEFENDING THIS ?!!?

    by A G

    Have thee no shame ?

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 7:13 a.m. CST

    Embargo my ass, Lucas.

    by Uncle Stan

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 7:18 a.m. CST


    by romanocc

    Come on guys, this is pure shit, I saw a special on The Clone Wars on G4 last night. The only people I can see going to this are parents with kids under 10 years old, but any guy who over the age of 18 and goes see this deserves all they get now in the SW universe, more shit. If this movie tanks, Lucas will finally realize that SW fans want quality, but if it makes a zillion dollars this weekend, then he will keep churning out and wont think twice. Send Lucas a message, if you put out shit, we won't come.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 7:27 a.m. CST

    I don't know about 'embargo's and 'backdoor shinanigans,

    by jae683

    Frankly, I think it's all a lot to do about nothing. Just a bunch whiny teenagers being drama queens in order to make their lives feel more 'important.' As far as the Clone wars go--did anyone really think this was going to be good? I mean, Star Wars has sucked since the Ewoks showed up in the third film. The prequels, for me anyway, are virtually unwatchable. Anyway, Peace

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 7:42 a.m. CST

    Roderich - half hearted trolling is to be ignored

    by ironic_name

    at least put some effort into your trolling.

  • Anybody see the featured article on this morning begging Lucas to stop making STAR WARS projects? Fucking priceless.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 7:53 a.m. CST

    Embargo lifted!

    by duct tape wallet

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 8:23 a.m. CST

    Clone Wars hate

    by Air Sess

    I have been reading this hate mail about Clone Wars for ages now and it is just ridiculous and pathetic. Its a cartoon for crying out loud. I saw the movie yesterday and it is action packed and great fun. Its a great lead off for the TV series. I have been a huge Star Wars fan all my life and yes the cartoon is different, the score is different but thats something they were trying to do, something to separate it from the other movies. I do agree the original scores would have helped provide more inspiration as they always have but the movie was good none the less. The action is full on and never ending in the movie. I took my son to see the movie and he loved it. I am not even a fan of animation and after a few minutes it just became great Star Wars action. Everyone wants to knock everything Star Wars these days and its bullshit! This is a cartoon meant for entertainment and it is exactly that. I liked the previous Clone Wars editions but this was much more entertaining. Almost all reviews I have read are from people who are expecting to see one of the original films. They have been done, there is no more. They should be happy there is any Star Wars. I don't how some people even call themselves fans when they bash the movie before seeing it. They don't get it and neither does Harry. His review is clueless. The only thing I will agree with is John Williams score is sorely missed but were they supposed to recycle this music for 100 episodes? I would say not. I love the original scores, timeless classic work but this movie does what it was supposed to. Make Star Wars fun and is totally action packed. I did not think having a female character would work but it does and having Jabba in the film works. His charactor takes you back to Jedi. The movie is great fun and I highly recommend it to anyone who just wants to enjoy great Star Wars action. The whole Star Wars Franchise is a victim of its own high standards. If you don't like Star Wars anymore why waste your time complaining about it. Your expectations are so off base its not funny and 80% of reviewers need a good kick in the head. Enjoy a movie for what it is for a change. This is great fun for the whole family

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 8:28 a.m. CST


    by greg39

    Genndy's Clone War series is overrrated. The first one has no story and the second one was just retarded.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 8:31 a.m. CST


    by Cobbio

    Thanks for the review, Harry. That must've been hard to write, but I give you credit for being honest and forthcoming.<p> What you conveyed makes sense, but still my biggest gripe with this film is: Tartakovsky already gave us THE ENTIRE FUCKING CLONE WARS! We watched it happen. We know what happens with every character, every dramatic moment. So why the FUCK did Lucas decide to make a big fat lie movie instead of presenting events that could've actually happened in the Star Wars universe?<p> Because Lucas himself is big fat lie. He's bloated into a bearded corporate Satan. "Here, kiddiesss!" he says in a breathily pedophilic undertone, adjusting his glasses and flicking his tongue. "Come see my 2 hour commercial for goodieeeees! Come! Come see! Buy my goodieeees! Heeheehee!"<p> Despite what we once thought of you, George, you're everything that sucks in Hollywood. Your lastest movies insult the intelligence of both adults and children, the stories you choose to tell are worse than bad, and the worst part is: you don't care. You say to yourself, "I'm makkkking muuuuhney! Eeeyummmm!" And that's it. That's all that matters to you now.<p> Greed is your God. For all the Joseph Campbell you read, you learned absolutely nothing. Have fun being a dark, demonic minion.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 8:35 a.m. CST

    Re: Air Sess

    by Cobbio

    The fact you described the film as "great fun" worries me. Do you have any standards at all, or do you just go through life happy with whatever shit people sell you?<p> Because you're exactly the type of person Lucas targets. And I'm sure you think that's fine.<p> You and your son have fun in life. I wish you the best.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 8:35 a.m. CST

    Fanboy Macht Frei

    by ScantyGeoduck

    After the Holocaust the world said NEVER AGAIN. But you know how humans are--we're haters and we just never learn. But it's Star Wars. I can't imagine that an action packed cartoon could be worse than eps. 1-3. God help me--I'll probably see it eventually. Okay George I'll stand in line. But that big oven looks a little scary...

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 8:39 a.m. CST

    Greg39, regarding Genndy...

    by NinjaRap

    I think it's just Harry that overrates it this much. Most Star Wars fans seem to find Genndy's Clone Wars series to be an amusing diversion at best. But yeah, there's no story there, the Jedi are much too overpowered to ever have any interesting action/take seriously, and basically it's just a mess. Any given prequel movie was better, but it did have some very impressive action if that's all you want from Star Wars with absolutely nothing else.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 8:40 a.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    You ILM employees, Ranchers and WB plants are disgusting. It's an awful sight -- Lucas's engorged tumescence festooned with the greedy, lamprey-like mouths of you "Star wars is back!" losers. <p> Have you no shame?

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 8:44 a.m. CST

    And more...

    by Cobbio

    Air Sess... um, "Great fun for the whole family?"<p> I take back what I wrote. You're a Lucas plant. You're one of his cocksucking corporate minions whose been instructed to parley the storm of bad press with "great fun for the whole family!" statements.<p> Maybe you took your son to see the film. But then again, based on what I'm reading into your statements, you're probably lying through your teeth.<p> No one except studio plants and cocksuckers write, "Great fun for the whole family" on this site. If you want to keep your job, I suggest you learn how to seem like more of a film fan.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 8:47 a.m. CST

    A.K.A. My dick, Mr. Salty!

    by SkinJob69

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 8:47 a.m. CST

    Just a few examples:

    by DocPazuzu

    "This is great fun for the whole family!" <p> "it is action packed and great fun." <p> "The movie is great fun and I highly recommend it to anyone who just wants to enjoy great Star Wars action." <p> "ths movie was beautiful and fun." <p> "I laughed and my daughter laughed." <p> "But, man, I thought this was a great time at the movies." <p> "Heard from a friend in Seattle, a friend in Baltimore and a friend in Orlando that they all went to advance screenings and that the audience was going nuts over the movie." <p> FUCK OFF.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 8:47 a.m. CST

    There's only one place to go now

    by WhoDis


  • Aug. 15, 2008, 8:49 a.m. CST

    More from the plant ranks:

    by DocPazuzu

    "Alright, you wanted Star Wars??? YOU GOT IT!!!! Specially more WARS than anything else. The movie is action packed, and I mean It! I think at least 85% of the movie is action, action and more action. It’s an action driven movie,"

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 8:51 a.m. CST

    Oh, Jesus...

    by DocPazuzu

    "Because those kids around me were peeing their pants with excitement to go right back in and see it all again!"

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 8:51 a.m. CST

    Harry Knowles: Poster child for whiny nerdy man children everywh

    by HoboCode

    Fuck you and fuck this review Harry. Honestly your douchiness has reached a new level with this review. I'm not a Harry hater like many others on this site. I accept the fact that your taste i nfilms is suspect to say the least, but I can accept it becasue I believe you are truly a movie lover.<p> But this review? Dear god you sound like a spoiled little brat who didn't get everything he wanted under the tree this year. Pathetic. You ARE an ADULT with a WIFE. Act like it. The world and Lucas don't OWE you anything, and yet this review reeks of an emotionally stunted twat who feels entitled to get a Star Wars film that matches his expectations. <p> Sad sad sad. That aint the way the world works, Harry, so you might as well grow the fuck up. Skip purchasing another god damned toy. Mature before you impreganate your wife and raise children so devoid of reality and life-skills that they end up being baies their entire life just like their father.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 8:53 a.m. CST

    The above post brought to you by HoboCode...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...who has defended Stalin in other talkbacks.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 8:53 a.m. CST

    John Williams is important to Star Wars?

    by darthpigman

    Gee, I didn't know that. Thank you for telling me.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 9:01 a.m. CST

    Big business, big questions...

    by ScantyGeoduck

    How much will it make this weekend? Will it bomb? Will it make as much as Kung Fu Panda or Wall-e (which feels more Star Warsy than clone wars, at least the first act--now that's a droid!) in their opening weekends? Is under 30 million a bomb? If it makes over 30, is it a hit? What do the Hollywood number crunchers say? What say you?

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Oh well,

    by GaiustheBrave

    I'll go see Tropic Thunder instead, then, and wait for the dvd. Anyone else have a sneaking suspicion this will be on Cartoon Network by year's end? Where's the Dune news at, by the way?

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 9:05 a.m. CST

    Re: HoboCode

    by Cobbio

    What the fuck is wrong with you attacking Harry like that? You're working for Lucas or ILM now too, huh?

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 9:05 a.m. CST

    Smartest thing you've written that I've read is this line:


  • Aug. 15, 2008, 9:06 a.m. CST

    Oops, not a joke, a fuck up. This line here:


    "After watching this – I think STAR WARS has more to do with John Williams than any of us could have imagined."

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 9:11 a.m. CST


    by HoboCode

    Why don't you just shut your fucking mouth, instead of spreading distortions about me. Pathetic loser.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 9:13 a.m. CST

    Lucas was done creatively after Raiders (1981)

    by Dick Bahls

    I wish everyone who's still complaining about Lucas would wake up and realize he hasn't done anything that was really good since Raiders. Right after that his wife cheated on him & left him for some other dude. That may have had a great impact on him, as from that point on he was only interested in developing the technology side of films, and it shows. Clone Wars should not be seen by anyone over the age of 12, unless you're bringing your kid. Get lives, and stop complaing about the obvious. You all should have jumped down Lucas' goitered neck back in '83 when he almost practically ruined Jedi. Next time you assholes are at a convention, if you want to do something about all this, and you see that little troll Lucas sends around to push his toys, Steven Sanshit, heckle him while he's talking about taking your money for this overpriced replica crap, and tell him to go fuck himself.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 9:15 a.m. CST


    by Ghostball out of the wrong side of the bed this morning?

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 9:18 a.m. CST

    All the AICN hate for this

    by Turd Furgeson

    I can see it now, Lucas is going to find another reason to sue and delay the releasing of FANBOYS... He's going to retaliate against this site in some way. Wait for it, you know it to be true...

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 9:20 a.m. CST


    by Cobbio

    HoboCode, DocPaz is a "pathetic loser" huh? Ok, I'll go along with your continuing tirade. You can do a lot better than "pathetic loser."<p> How about "slobbering gap-toothed pig" or "narcissistic fart brain"? Get colorful, man. Paz deserves better.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Star Wars has been reduced to the following:

    by Bot-Bot

    A) A bunch of static scenes of councilors or chancellors or whatever-the-fuck politicians blathering on about imperial-rebellion- separatist imperative bla bla bla until someone raises their voice in indignation. B) Jedi characters constantly serious and brooding, wanting to do things they're not supposed to and breaking rules to the frustration and fear of their friends / masters. C) Endless action scenes to the point where there is no longer any tension - just gadget wanking. D) Annoying alien characters for comedy relief who seem to be written into the stories just to offset the endless political talk. E) Yoda, who was once wise and funny, reduced to a character that just tells everyone what they already know in the first place. Ugh.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 9:32 a.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    Saying that Stalin's mass murdering was "in part" due to "outside pressure" by "Capitalists" is a defense.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Harry you didn't hate a Star Wars

    by Luscious.868

    There hasn't been a real Star Wars movie made since the 80's. The prequels were mostly CGI crap and this is cartoon crap. It isn't Star Wars. Star Wars died when Lucas wife left him and he become a rich ego maniac who surrounded himself with yes men instead of people who could look at him and tell him what is crap and what isn't. This isn't Star Wars until Lucas cedes control to someone who loves the original movies as they are(instead of seeing them as flawed, incomplete works) there will never be another Star Wars.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 10 a.m. CST


    by whooooooop

    AND IT ROCKED! YES, it was more for Kids. YES, it had a few problems....But it was all SIMPLE PLOT DRIVEN looked like a combo between the OT and the PT...but it FELT WAY MORE like the OT than the PT...i mean I feel like my heart is overflowing today...i'm so happy that i get this..! HA its going to make the next year a blast and give me something to really look forward to everyweek....HA! i mean what else is on TV another samey season of 24? ha!

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 10:02 a.m. CST

    That's exactly right, Harry - John Williams IS Star Wars . . .

    by gruntybear

    That was why the prequels didn't "feel" right. Lucas tweaked and tweaked and tweaked the shots of the film digitally right up to release such that Williams' score didn't even remotely match the images. The music in Episodes 1-3 is an afterthought, plugged in as background noise. That is why they failed.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 10:02 a.m. CST


    by whooooooop

    Yeah i realllllly enjoyed it...but the kids were freaking out and screaming...and it was at parts that came and went so quick that i barely noticed...i can't wait to see it again...but that's just me! haha.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Nice review

    by kbass

    And for Harry good writing. Kind of a shocker. But the review put into clear focus the "Star Wars" saga has had for a while now.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 10:08 a.m. CST

    NO way was the Baby Hutt as bad as JarJar

    by whooooooop

    NO way was the Baby Hutt as bad as JarJar not even close....It was way to weird looking to be annoying...and didn't really do anything "jar jar" like at really do anything at just looked weird...but the TRUMAN CAPOTE hutt...I "liked" him....but i could see how some people wouldn't like him...a little tasteless humourlike...but i was amused....

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Re: whoooooop

    by Cobbio

    You work for LucasFilm too, huh? Boy, they must be getting desperate. Absolutely desperate for a remnant of positivity coming the film's way. Funny how that happens.<p> And the thing is: you ALMOST nailed the fanboy thing. SO CLOSE! I give you credit for trying. But, looking closer, I'm seeing a middle to low level manager in his ILM office watching the bad publicity here whose job today is turning the tide against horrible reviews and talkbacks.<p> I call bullshit. Big huge piles of bullshit on you.<p> It's laughable as I reread your statement. You're nothing but a fake corporate cocksucker. I know it, so everyone else. Find some dignity in life, man, before you fade into nothing.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 10:15 a.m. CST

    i liked the middle-eastern music too.

    by whooooooop

    It was really DIFFERENT for a Star Wars... But after THIRTY YEARS i'm okay with a new take on it...

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 10:25 a.m. CST

    no i dont work for lucasfilm!

    by whooooooop

    actually i make 6 kidding... i'm like 43 and a bit older and i work in a corporate job...and no i'm not get over're narrowminded way of seeing the world is not good for you... DID YOU SEE THE MOVIE? i mean i REALLY LOVED IT...

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 10:26 a.m. CST

    I'm pretty sure George Lucas gave up

    by eggart

    on filmmaking back in the '70's.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 10:26 a.m. CST


    by Cobbio

    whoooooop, you're losing your mind today in that air-conditioned office, aren't you? That plush ILM office? Must be hard when someone calls piles of bullshit on you and you can't say they're wrong.<p> Oh, man. Manipulation, manipulation, manipulation, damage control. I love your lying facsimile of loving this film. That's what ILM does with the kiddies too, huh? Manipulate them into buying toys for your greedy master?<p> You're transparent, man. You've been exposed. Please give up the silly pretense.<p> Oh, is your boss standing right there, telling you to ignore what I'm writing? I see. I'm very sorry to know that you're so far under Lucas's heel you can't see the sky anymore.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Not the second coming of Christ!

    by charliebrown4ever

    I don't know what anyone else saw but I watched a very engaging, eye-popping cartoon. I thought the action was intense, the score excellent, and the plot...well, that WAS a weak point. But hey, I was entertained. I felt like I'd watched a Star Wars movie. Reading through these talkbacks I could almost swear we were discussing the second coming of Christ, which, this of course, is not. It's. A. Cartoon. A car-toooon! Lighten up!

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 10:27 a.m. CST


    by whooooooop

    I think YOU work for a movie studio...and YOU"RE Posting bad stuff...just like how chefs trash all the other restuarants on ZAGAT's ha... or you're part of some VIRAL marking campaign...

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 10:28 a.m. CST

    STFU Cobbio.

    by HoboCode

    Typical TBer stooge yelling "Plant!" every time someone has something positive to say about a film, or has a dissenting opinion. You're mom's calling you. Your pancakes are getting cold.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 10:29 a.m. CST

    don't listen to Harry: The Clone Wars is a pretty cool movie!

    by Arghh

    The opening scene which Harry had a grievance with was awesome, I love the fact that they DIDN'T do an opening crawl... the opening crawl's become old by now... I like the fact that they went with a new, old newsreel type introduction, it made it feel like one of those serials that inspired George Lucas to make Star Wars. This film is even better than Gennedy's Clone Wars... I mean I like the work that he did on it, but this new CGI series has dimension and heart, largely because of a new, and very strong character named Ahsoka who is Anakin's padawan. Ahsoka is funny, strong, a badass and still manages to be cute while being all these things. I definitely look forward to the animated series to see where they take her character. I also like the music, it feels fresh and different. I love John Williams, but the choice of composer and more contemporary and electronic sounding music was a nice change from the routine. Its sad that Harry hates Clone Wars, but it is nowhere near as bad as he says it is, go watch it! ^_^

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 10:29 a.m. CST


    by whooooooop

    hire people UNDERCOVER to go and post FAKE negative reviews of other STUDIOS movies to ALTER the PUBLICS perCEPTION. and reduce sales..i know this, because my boss does it for his NON-MOVIE related clients...agh...wake up people...

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 10:29 a.m. CST


    by blue meanie

    Wrap it up, dig a hole, pour kerosene and burn this mutherfucker like a Vader funeral pyre! Jabba Lucas has turned this once classic franchise into a juvenile superficial merchandising joke. And all you fucking fanboys are still pulling out your wallets and bending over for this shit! As long you continue to fund the Lucas coffers and pay for his shitty movies, Jabba Lucas will not stop! Someone please assasinate Jabba Lucas so we can finally put this once respectable franchise into the ground, before he does even more harm!!!

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 10:37 a.m. CST

    I'm NOT saying it was Perfect...

    by whooooooop

    No it had some real flaws...BUT MAN WAS IT FUN! In a lot of ways it felt WAY more like the ORIGINAL TRILOGY...the pacing...the action...I mean it IS a cartoon...and they went with its different...If you're a Star Wars fan and you dont go in knowing what to expect - it really was a blast...

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 10:43 a.m. CST


    by whooooooop

    IS the MEANING OF YOU"RE LIFE TO DESTROY LOVE? is that what gives you happiess? to HURT OTHER PEOPLE? to HURT their enjoyment of the world? Because that seems like why you're here...? When i was youger i never really believed there were people like you...but in my adulthood i know there are people who are so twisted...who's lives have gone so bad...that they only take enjoyment out of Hurting others...Trying to prevent them from having fun, having a good life...

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Go CREATE something

    by whooooooop

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 10:56 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    "You make my dick hard! Give in to your lust!" <p> Creepy people, those plants.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Ahh wee-wee woved cwone ors!

    by irrelevntelefant

    Sorry, had Lucas's dick in my mouth when I said that....

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Lucas is Van Zandt in Jay and Silent Bob

    by irrelevntelefant

    counting his money while the quality is pissed away....

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 11:06 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Speak up!

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 11:07 a.m. CST


    by misterWINKIE

    I read this review already on this website a few days ago...sheesh....dropping the ball behind all the other websites even your own...blah slackers ....:P

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 11:09 a.m. CST

    doe's transvestite para-legal count?

    by irrelevntelefant

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Create This

    by Cobbio

    Fair enough, HoboCode. I'll leave you alone. At least you have the balls to defend yourself at such an accusation.<p> As for you, whoooooop, you ARE a corporate damage controller. You could be wearing a suit, but maybe it's casual day today? I'm not trying to "hurt" anyone, as you so blithely (and kiddishly -- heh, nice touch there) suggested. I'm merely giving an honest assessment of who you are. You're a corporate drone, or someone who works for a corporate drone. You're part of a studio. It's obvious to me and I wanted to let people know this.<p> As for your "Go CREATE something" offensive, I have and AM creating something. I'm a published science fiction short story writer with a novel in my agent's hands. I don't know whether it'll get bought, but there it is. I AM creating something.<p> As opposed to LucasFilm, which isn't.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 11:15 a.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    Worst plant ever?

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 11:16 a.m. CST

    This ongoing geek rage against SW & Lucas is pathetic

    by the flashlight

    For almost ten years now I've been visiting the talkbacks at this site. And for almost ten years I've been reading post after endless post of anti-Lucas geek fury. Pathetic fanbois suffering from arrested social and intellectual development desperately searching for something that will allow them to relive the experience they had when they were 7 y/o and watching Star Wars for the first time. And the disappointment over being denied this Holy Grail of geekdom inspires the most cringe-inducing displays of bitter denunciation. It's all just so very, very pathetic. You're never going to be 7 y/o again. You're never again going to feel the way you did seeing Darth Vader for the first time. You're on a hopeless quest that leads to nothing but one bitter disappointment after another. Yes, Lucas has been revealed as a hack over the past ten years. Yes, he's a hopelessly out-of-touch, eccentric mogul at this point still deluding himself (or intentionally misleading fans, take your pick) that he's going to be making "small, personal films." And yes, Harry is going to be disappointed, because Lucas isn't making things for him anymore. Lucas doesn't care whether or not Harry (or those of like mind with Harry) enjoys these cartoons. So Harry can scream to the heavens as loudly as he wants "this isn't what I wanted," and his protestations will fall on deaf ears. Fandom needs to move on and let go of this obsession with Star Wars. Star Wars was an integral part of my childhood as well, but I'm mature enough to understand when I'm the intended target audience for a product.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 11:18 a.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu so many other morons, hasn't understood what gives away a plant. It has nothing to do with loving a movie and everything to do with using marketing cockspeak, doing so under a completely new username, and using typical buzzwords and marketing phrases.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 11:19 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    It's a start!

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Marx Brothers

    by Heckles

    Harry, that might be the funniest shit you've ever wrote. Spit some coffee on that one. Good times. Great review.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 11:30 a.m. CST


    by biggles2_22

    Don't do a disservice to the Marx Bros.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 11:34 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack


  • Aug. 15, 2008, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Family Guy Blue Harvest the best Star Wars in the last 25 years

    by irrelevntelefant

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Lucas raped the fridge

    by irrelevntelefant

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 11:37 a.m. CST

    The Flashlight

    by xevoid

    I think you miss the point. Intended audience or not, Star Wars is as popular as it is because of all of the geeks and nerds everywhere who made it an important part of their life. It's important because it was something that inspired the imagination and awoke a sense of the fantastic in everyone who saw it.<br><br>But these sorts of movies show a lack of respect by Lucas towards his audience. His audience is NOT just little kids, but adults too, whether he likes it or not. It is possible to show little cutesey shit and yet still have respect for the audience. The Ewoks, for christ's sake, were cutesey, but even with them you knew that something serious was going on, something vitally important. But with the prequels, the cutesey robots were reduced to being part of a frikkin TRADE DISPUTE.<br><br>Anyways, it is possible to do both, and I would argue, necessary to do both if he wants to keep his fan base. If he doesn't care about his fan base (Lucas, that is) , then fuck him.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Lucas has Whoop on a chain like Jabba had Leia

    by irrelevntelefant

    doe's the gold bikini chaffe your nads?

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 11:55 a.m. CST

    If any of you pretentious "haters"

    by Sithdan

    ...ever met George Lucas in the flesh, you would giggle like fucking school girls and cum in your pants. The ironic thing is that 90 percent of the talkbackers in here will flock to their respective cinemas to watch The Clone Wars.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Lucas "Dutch Oven'd" my childhood

    by irrelevntelefant

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:26 p.m. CST

    What the fuck!?

    by goodguy

    It took you until THIS movie to hate a Star Wars movie?!

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:27 p.m. CST


    by whooooooop

    It did have a LOT of flaws...the animation was stiff..not as good as pixar or dreamwork's better stuff...but WAY better than their second string madagascar crap.. The writing dialouge, and acting...were ALL worse than Pixar or Kung Fu Panda....BUT MAN it was really fun...and it was REALLY fun to hear all those kids having a Blast...this is not hi-quality moviemaking by any standards...that's not what I said...I SAID i haven't felt that feeling since i was KID too... a feeling i've not felt since...1983..

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Lucas Rusty Tromboned my childhood

    by irrelevntelefant

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Its was sort of like a star wars COMIC BOOK

    by whooooooop

    Its was sort of like a star wars COMIC BOOK, if you go into it thinking that - if you have the abillity to go into it thinking of it as that... then you'll think its awesome...I thought it was way better than Fan fiction and most of the BOOKS...i can't even get into that stuff..

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:31 p.m. CST


    by Cobbio

    Sithdan, you suggested the pretentious "haters", if they ever met George Lucas, "would giggle like fucking school girls and cum in [their] pants."<p> Really? Is this what happened to you?<p> To be honest, I know I'll never meet George Lucas, so the question for me is moot. I used to be a huge fan of his. But over the years, as the quality of his work suffered and grew boisterously corporate, I slowly tuned out. Stopped caring one way or the other. The event that brought me back was Tartakovsky's "Clone Wars" (the REAL story of what happened), which a friend spent weeks convincing me to watch. But right away, I knew Tartakovsky was on a mission: to re-ignite the coolness and imagination of the original three films. Both dramatically and action-wise, I really enjoyed his take on it.<p> But then "Revenge of The Sith" came out, and within 5 minutes I was cringing in agony. It struck me that Lucas had completely lost it. He'd given Genndy enough rope to write and produce a visual feast, then didn't like the fact Tartakovsky's take completely, in every way, upstaged his last two films. Must've been hard for George. This I understand.<p> But if some crazy string theory displacement of reality happened where all of a sudden I was facing George Lucas, I would smile and shake his hand. I would be civil and tell him I enjoyed his first three films. That's it.<p> Then I'd try to find a way back to my own reality.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Was this review really worth all the drama?

    by quadrupletree

    Geez. Now that I can read it the whole thing is fucking silly. It's a cartoon that was originally made for TV for God's sake!! Didn't Lucas say the reason he likes TV is because it's "disposable"? I still don't get why you guys are the only ones that observe the embargo. When they offer you to preview a movie with that stipulation why not just say no thanks and then see it ahead of time anyway using your connections and write about it? I understand wanting to not burn bridges and get on the studios good side but at some point they become the ones calling the shots. It's a conflict of interest, both journalistic and financial.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Couldn't disagree more

    by vadakinX

    I really enjoyed the film. I just finished writing a review for it and I gave it a 7/10. <p> There's no opening crawl...there shouldn't be. It's not one of the 6 fact Clone Wars IS the opening crawl. <p> It's what the first paragraph of the Revenge of the Sith crawl was talking about. <p> Sure the movie is aimed at kids...but Star Wars doesn't have to be dark and edgy all the time...heck A New Hope was a light hearted space fantasy adventure and it's the most popular movie ever made. <p> Clone Wars is a fun movie.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Lucas called my childhood "Fully Retarded"

    by irrelevntelefant

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:40 p.m. CST


    by whooooooop

    Okay Fair Enough...I'm an artist too... I spend weekend and nights working on my Art..went to art school and have shows... And i'm glad that you're a writer YOU SEE now i understand YOUR perspective on this whole thing so much more...ITS YOUR JOB to be critical of it...IF YOU WEREN'T than there would be NO HOPE of any good new science fiction...and for that you get Kudos...and yes...but i'm judgeing this on a different standard than you..i dont have to be critical of it...i can make to choice too look at whats fun about..just for myself...instead of magnifying the flaws...if i was making star wars i certainly would have make so many differnt choices...probably coming closer to what you and everyone else would have done in tone than lucas did...but the kids loved it...and i had so much fun...

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Lucas Cleaveland Steamered my childhood

    by Xiphos_2

    Is that an acceptable replacement for Lucas raped my childhood?<p> Star Wars started to suck with Return because of the inclusion of the furry fucking midgets known as Ewoks.<p> If I ever met an Ewok I would shove a metal spit through its head and roast it over a fire. Fucking Ewoks.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Lucas Babba-booeyed my childhood!

    by irrelevntelefant

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:47 p.m. CST


    by Roderich

    that many of the talkbackers, who actually SAW the movie actually liked it.<p>Oh well, excuse me, they alle were "plants". As if Lucasfilm did care anything about the opinion of the talkbackers on this website. Ridiculous as the overblown hate against this somewhat flawed but still entertaining movie, which was much better than Episode 2 and on par with Episode 6 and 1, but still much worse than (ascending) 3, 4 and 5..

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Why I hate Lucas... reason #324

    by SlickyVonBoner

    When Lucas greated the EU(expanded universe) years ago with the books, and later with comic books and video games... he insisted that everything ties together. Every story happens at a specific time in a chronological order. Many brilliant writers told stories about every character that appeared in every second of each OT movie. Every creature in the cantina, every bounter hunter on the Executor has their own history. Why, after insisting that all of the EU ties together coherently, does Lucas throw that out the window with every film he makes. Hutts reproduce asexually, according to the EU. There are no males or females, they just spawn one offspring. Is this little Hutt thing in the movie Jabba? Didn't Jabba make an appearance at the Pod Race in TPM as an adult? Why does Star Wars canon have to be re-written everytime a new movie comes out. Before AOTC Boba Fett was once a journeyman protector on Concord Dawn... now that was changed to he is one of the many clones of Jango Fett, and Jango was once the journeyman protector... I think. Boba Fett is just one more perfectist clone.. waaay better than all those millions of other clones. All I'm saying is, Lucas, if you are going to make a feature film, take a little time and do a little research into this massive universe you're created. Don't be lazy and rewrite things because you are the creator. Star Wars is bigger than you now!!!

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Flashlight - ALL

    by whooooooop

    I get the everlasting hatred towards lucas... I realized, that all these people posting here... they're writers and artists...who were originally inspired by the OT...and it led them to become artists and writers in their own a way ITS THEIR JOB to HATE THE FLAWS...and they will because the OT partly made them who they are included in that bunch..and in a way so many of these people here have probalby gone beyond lucas in some respects..better writers ...i believe that...i wish these people could make star wars...its cool to see how different people interepret something...Like i said CLONE WARS is SO FLAWED...but man it was new take on star wars had super cool was just FUN...but didn't really say too much... But really i look forward to seeing what the people here do too...maybe they will make the best Science Fiction Ever... They have to Try...isnt that what life is about?

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Honestly, i APPRECIATE ANY ART

    by whooooooop

    anyone has done...i think people should get credit for doing any science fiction even if it misses that mark or if its branded with star wars or not..i think anyone who creates anything deserves credit....its all the people who dont do anything...that the true loss... even a failure is better than a "not doing"

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Anyone who uses the word "Haters"

    by Rufferto

    kills their entire argument with me. Even if I agreed with the sentiment. If you are going to be that unoriginal it's no wonder people don't water you! That probably also goes for saying something is "fun" as an excuse for it being a complete piece of crap. All it tells me is you have low standards either in general or for the movie itself. So it's really a bad thing to say that about a film when I hear it. Thank you Michael Bay for that one.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Whooooop, enough already

    by Cobbio


  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:59 p.m. CST

    plz check out my youtube review of The Clone Wars

    by Arghh

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:02 p.m. CST


    by whooooooop

    if there's one thing people can take from the clone wars its the color palette...and the painted look...the animation was stiff, but so many of the scenes had that star wars feeling...i think thats what took me back...that part was very me that was worth price of admission....though i know most people couldn't have that perspective on it..

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:04 p.m. CST

    re whooooooop

    by DocPazuzu

    Say kids, guess how many previous talkbacks whooooooop has participated in? <p> Two! <p> 1) a Clone Wars trailer talkback in June. <p> 2) A Pixar talkback where he posted yesterday about -- guess what? -- that's right, The Clone Wars. <p> Seriously, how fucking stupid are these soulless whores anyway?

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Let me correct that:

    by DocPazuzu

    He's also posted in the other Clone Wars review threads.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:09 p.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    No, he's actually posted in other talkbacks -- but only about Clone Wars.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Whooop, when Lucas says jump...

    by irrelevntelefant

    do you ask "From what floor, sir?"

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:10 p.m. CST


    by Cobbio

    Whooooop, you're nothing but a corporate spin controller and you're embarrassing yourself. You're not a casual fan of Star Wars or the new movie, so don't pretend to be. You've got a vested interest and I think you're doing LucasFilm and ILM a great disservice by posting fake kiddie-isms and lying to everyone here about how much you loved the film.<p> Because you didn't, and it's obvious. You're getting paid to spam. Which is fine, since you're making money, but you're still totally, irretrievably full of shit. I don't take being lied to well and neither do most people here.<p> I love films. I'm one of the more positive supporters of new projects on this site. I get excited about well-made movies. Most people who've read my posts know I'm the opposite of a negative shrew.<p> But your fake kid-friendly manhandling of this talkback is getting annoying. I've admitted who I am to everyone (a science fiction writer), why can't you?

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Harry, we must have different views on what makes Star Wars cool

    by Pop_aristocrat

    Because I always hated the Jedi getting these tremendous Super powers. I'll give it up to the Clone Wars animated for having great direction, but I was no fan of Mace taking on a million robots single handedly, or Yoda being able to drop ships from orbit.<p> Personally, I always thought it was more romantic and interesting when the Jedi were knights rather than Gods, with some limited, interesting powers like the gift of foresight, and limited telepathy and telkinesis. Their gifts lay in subtle changes of environments, and exertion of willpower, rather than gigantic, combatative ability.<p> Yoda used to be the baddest of the bad because he could move one powered down star fighter! <p> IMO, it made it much less sense that the clones could ever strike down a Jedi after seeing them rock battalions of droids. And ultiamtely, it made the Jedi seem distant and inhuman, making them into these unstoppable monoliths. <p> I'll take my Jedi sneaking around Death Stars, making clicking noises to distract Storm Troopers. All this ship dropping, rapid punching, kung fu jumping stuff is pure fan wank nonsense.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:11 p.m. CST

    In fact...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...not only did whooooooop really, really like Clone Wars, it's also the only thing he's ever posted on AICN about, at least as far back as May. <p> whooooooop's a bonafide Clone Wars-o-maniac! But a plant? Naaahhh, couldn't be.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Hey you're here too Cobbio

    by whooooooop

    But i wasn't being i really hope you get you stuff published...and if its better than what Lucas has done..Man i think everyone here would be in your and the other writers and artists here could possibly give the world some better movies and stories...And being Critcal of whats out there is PART of that...speaking as a lifelong 45 year old artist with also a day job...i'd ask EVERYONE here to look at whats good about something AS WELL as whats shit about it... they're both equally important to meditate on to keep a balanced one of my favorite ideas in a movie was the duality of the good/evil characters in The Dark were bound to both our good and dark sides..and its true...everything in this world has a duality..

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Lucas locked my childhood in a hot car for 3 hours

    by irrelevntelefant

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Whooooop Dirty Sanchez'd My Childhood!!!!

    by Dick Bahls

    With his continued denials of plant/douchemanship!!!! He is so fired when he gets back to the ranch!!! Lucas' neck will look like that fish dude in episode one, as he barks out his firing orders in huttese to his evil troll, Steven Sanshit, who will personally escort him off the property on his way to Masterbaiters Replicunts to pick up Lucas' latest royalty checks!!!!

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:23 p.m. CST

    I was considering taking my kid to this

    by Abominable Snowcone

    even despite my interest (although I do love star wars). But now I don't even think I'll bother. No one seems to have liked it.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:23 p.m. CST


    by whooooooop

    I've said there were problems with the acting, the animation, the writing...and i mean if i'm to put on my artist hat and be critical of it...i would have made a thousand different plant would say that... i'm sure more than half the people here wont see it anyway...but i'm having fun in this debate...I REALLY did enjoy it...but for you to enjoy it you'll have to look past those flaws... which if you loved the OT that much you many not be able to which case...its CERTAINLY not worth YOUR is what it is... ALso yeah things got slow at the i've had a lot of time to post now..and i'm facinated by this whole Star Wars backlash thing...also i feel its gotten a bit of an unfair wrap people are looking more at what they wanted them to be rather than what they are, and its kind of fun trying to jolt people out of preconcieved thats Buddhism...

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Ewoks Vs Oompa Loompas. Who would Win ?

    by G100

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Abominable Snowcone

    by whooooooop

    I saw it last night...the kids LOVED it.. were laughing and screaming... and i could look past what most will consider to be flaws and had a blast....

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:28 p.m. CST

    All i'm saying is the CGI american graphitti

    by whooooooop

    that came out last year never had so much hatred...

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Loompas, all day every day....

    by irrelevntelefant

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Besides PLANTS work both ways...

    by whooooooop

    i've given my reasons why i'm here... what about the people who are insistent that i'm not allowed to have fun with something...that i'm NOT ALLOWED to look past the flaws and see some good in something as well as something bad? See I get the feeling that maybe those are planets..and i'm more like a cactus...

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:36 p.m. CST

    AND the Loompas would sing over the corpses of the Ewoks

    by G100

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Stinky was Chewie's son's name

    by Beezbo

    in the Christmas special. Lucas must think it's clever or funny or something. Ugh.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:40 p.m. CST


    by Dick Bahls

    Maybe you're just here because you're afraid it won't do so well & Lucas won't be able to make 12 differet "Homo the Hutt" figures, as well as "Homo the Hutt" little boxer shorts, and "Homo the Hutt" spandex workout body suits like Freddie Mercury used to wear with the cut out front.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Dick Bahls

    by whooooooop

    NIce Names....but this talkback is sorta like a sword fight with its back and forths and yeah i'll admit that i like the can have a debate really if there aren't sides..? anway i had a good was FUN... i'm glad i went and i'll go again and i'll watch the tv show...BUT IM TELLING YOU DONT GO if you want want a great or meaningful or well acted movie..although it was directed pretty cool...and had cool looking scenes with some STIFF animation...

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:45 p.m. CST

    yeah actutally ive never been able to get myself

    by whooooooop

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:47 p.m. CST

    I LIKED IT!!!!

    by vadakinX

    Yes, I liked it. I'm no plant either. I only post occasionally, but I do post in topics other than Star Wars. <p> I'm also not an apologist...I feel no need to apologise. <p> Look, this movie is aimed at kids...there's nothing wrong with that. In fact I think if you have kids they will love it. <p> In a few years, there will be a live action series that deals with Boba Fett and the rebellion and all that stuff. It's set to be darker and edgier and not for kids. So let the kids have The Clone Wars...most of you aren't interested in the prequel era anymore anyway. So let them have it. <p> And if you bring your son or daughter or nephew or niece or cousin or whatever...they'll enjoy it and if you can watch it for what it is rather than what your mind thinks it should be, then you might enjoy it too. <p> Yes it's flawed...but it's a fun's one of those films you can watch on a rainy day when you're feeling like shit and want something fun to watch.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:47 p.m. CST

    yeah actutally ive never been able to get myself

    by whooooooop

    to buy any of the toys, i mean i had em when i was like 10..but generally i think they clutter up my living space..i'm not really a toy collector... but i love good Games... that had some good writing and direction in those cut scenes...

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:52 p.m. CST


    by whooooooop

    yeah i think i figured out who the haters are... they're future sci-fi writers who in all seriousness need to more critcal of this stuff..because its these guys who will write the next wave of adult scifi....its kind of like their job to be very critcal of star wars and they're not wrong about it...they're coming from a completely differnt perspective... Man i had a blast with the movie...that baby hutt was so weird looking..i mean haha... see i was totally entertained all the way through...i coudn't say the same thing for SEMI-PRO...i mean i like will ferrel but talk about someone whos jut rehashing the same stuff...

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:54 p.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    You are a classic plant in every way. <p> This is my favorite quote of yours: <p> "I think the whole point of the prequils is the you're really not supposed to like them. Once you have a set idea of who a villan is supposed to be, its no fun to see that they're really a person. They'res no clear cut side to root for like when we were 8. George new this. So the prequils are SUPPOSED to be hard to take... they're not fun at all but they're SUBLIME. Going where no commerical movie would." <p> I have to hand it to you, making it sound like Lucas MEANT for the films to suck takes balls. Unfortunately, you don't have the brains to back up those balls. <p> Frankly, I'm insulted that you think we're so stupid that we'd buy your shit wholesale, when it is you who is the true moron. <p> Seriously, let's go over this once more: <p> 1) You LOVE Clone Wars. <p> 2) Your KIDS loved Clone Wars ("laughing and screaming"). <p> 3) The only other posts you have EVER made in AICN talkback deal with Clone Wars. Ever. <p> 4) The language you use and the points you make are like reading a fucking marketing checklist of buzzwords and stale bread "happenin'" geek terminology. <p> 5) After this talkback and any other dealing with Clone Wars, you will NEVER be seen here again. <p> Perhaps you haven't witnessed the ignoble and crushing defeat other plants have suffered on these hallowed boards? Perhaps you have and thought you were the One who was going to pull it off? Perhaps now you have seen the error of your ways? <p> Your clock's been punched, chief. Now get the fuck out of here and stop insulting us and embarrassing yourself.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Im not...

    by cineninja

    ...even going to bother going to see it. The glory that was Star Wars has long since passed as Lucas has slipped further and further in to delusional self appeasement. Star Wars is now solely Lucas' masturbatory exercise with no regard to what the fans want. Between Jones 4 and this Lucas has lost all credibility...hes a huckster of mediocrity now...nothing more

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 2:01 p.m. CST


    by Dick Bahls

    Well said, Doc. The marketing "geniouses" of the studios are no match for the folks on this board. Whoooop, start updating your resume as quicly as possibly because when your boss with the huge goyter on his neck sees what an ass you made of yourself you'll be out of a job for sure.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 2:02 p.m. CST

    UM excuse ME..DocPazuzu

    by whooooooop

    What plant in their right mind would say you're NOT supposed to like them? I'm not staying they suck but really belive the PREQUIL are not really supposed to be comfortable....theyr'e supposed to change and put you on the spot which of course for MOST PEOPLE MONEY is NOT WORTH it... HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY IT!? if you dont think youll be able to get past the flaw simply dont go...i believe everything i said about everything...BUT here we are saying i'm not allowed to see the world the way i really see it...? i know i feel a certain way but some guy on a site is telling me that i dont really feel that way...a hell of a lot of people agree with you right? Just not me...also yeah it was the Star Wars talkbacks that got me interesting the AICN i've never posed about anything else..buecaseit seem like with every other subject in the world people are allowed to have differnt opions.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 2:07 p.m. CST

    .No, whoooooop...

    by DocPazuzu's not just Star Wars. The only thing you've ever posted about is CLONE WARS. Don't give me that sobbing, "oh, he won't let me believe what I want" horseshit. <p> To answer your question, the only plant who would say that is a plant who wants people to take another look at them. Remember, you make it a point to say that they DON'T suck. <p> You really just might be the worst fucking plant ever, and that's saying a lot. I'm beginning to think you actually never have seen how your feeble cohorts have been destroyed here in the past. <p> Bet you wish you had now, though, yes?

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 2:10 p.m. CST

    i dont type well enough to be a plant...

    by whooooooop

    And i DONT have kids ...i said the KIDS in the Theater which there were a lot for a midnight movie...WHAT you're denying this movie is aimed more at kids...we all know thats who its really going to appeal to not ..also it wasn't close to sold plant would say that...i know this movie wont be popular... not with you guys...i'm NOT saying that YOU will like it....i'm this point i dont see you could ...But if you think i'm embarassed about how i feel about anything you can go to hell...or if you want me to be embarassed...i have as much right to my opionion even if the entire world was against me...i know how i feel...i'm not intersted with being popular...

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 2:11 p.m. CST

    And i hope the fact that i enjoyed it...

    by whooooooop

    will be upsetting to you... you happy now.? you've turned me to your dark side?

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 2:13 p.m. CST


    by half vader

    No, that was Lumpy. It's burned into my brain...

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 2:14 p.m. CST


    by vadakinX

    Actually I'm a writer...I write all sorts of things including sci fi...and I liked the Clone Wars and loved the I think your theory has just gone out the window. Sorry. <p> And if you are a plant...can you ask Lucas to give me a shot writing an episode of the live action series? :P <p> But I'm no plant...that much is for sure. I'm the guy who got Bruce Willis to come into the talkbacks by asking Stallone when he was here (Vern will confirm it). <p> And I'm going to lay it out for everyone.... <p> If you didn't like the prequels, you will HATE The Clone Wars. <p> If you only liked the Cartoon Network shorts and nothing else from the prequel era you will HATE The Clone Wars. <p> If you only liked Revenge of the Sith and not the other 2 prequels, you will HATE the Clone Wars. <p> If you liked the prequels, then you may LIKE the Clone Wars...but it's no guarantee. <p> But your your kids will LOVE it. When I say kids...I mean under 12. <p> Not every Star Wars story has to be edgy or dark or serious. Lucas is creating two tv for kids, which is the Clone Wars...and another for older fans which is the live action series. <p> People like Harry and Moriarty and Quint are the wrong people to be reviewing The Clone Wars. That's not meant as an insult. It's just that they are movie geeks and have grown up with it...The Clone Wars wasn't made for them. It was made for the new generation...not even the prequel generation. <p> The kids who are 7 or 8 years old who are experiencing Star Wars for the first time. The Clone Wars will be their entry into the saga and as they get older they will see the live action movies and the series. <p> You can talk about how much you hate The Clone Wars and how it doesn't compare to seeing the original in 1977. Well for these kids, the Clone Wars is just that. It's their introduction to the saga and it will stay with them. <p> The only difference between now and then is that back in 1977 you didn't have 20 blockbusters over a summer trying to grab your attention. In 77, Star Wars was mindblowing and unbelievable...these days it's expected. <p> This movie isn't for the people on these talkbacks, or for those who were 8 years old in 77. It's for those who are 8 years old in 2008. <p> The older fans will have the live action series. Those just getting into Star Wars will have the Clone Wars...and then they will discover Episodes 1-6 in 3d at the cinema at the cinema and in 20 years, they will be on internet message boards saying that Lucas' inevitable sequel trilogy has raped their childhood by not being like the prequels. So stop complaining people. It's a movie prologue to a cartoon that will appear on a kids tv cartoon channel. Yeesh. Get over it.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Ugh...hello DocPazuzu

    by whooooooop

    actually i've posted more about the prequils because ROTS i think is the Best SW movie... and i'm not alone in that...for me its ROTS, EMPIRE, A NEW HOPE..and after that they get a lot worse for me...the clone wars is one again NOT up to those levels..i said i was fun and to that will go back on my word...and yes something can be just FUN..without having a lot more too it...

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 2:20 p.m. CST

    I Heard Harry Speak

    by medicinaluser

    For the first time recently, his voice and mannersims am kinda shocked as for all these years I actually had it in my head that he sounded like the crazy hippy guitar playing teacher from Beavis and Butthead BUT he clearly does'nt,not even a little,if anything the exact opposite.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 2:22 p.m. CST


    by whooooooop

    yeah thats it exactly....i'm not telling anyone to go see this movie...excpet that if you had kids who LIKE THE PREQUILS then they will most likely like this too....I can take myself back to feeling like i'm 10 years old again and look past so much of this stuff...but you're right this movie ISN"T FOR MOST OF THE PEOPLE ON these talkback...well accept for me, so really most of the people our age wont be able to enjoy this (unless they are in the small group who can look at some artistic choices and like them and leave the rest) but i have to agree this movie isn't really for the people on this talkback..

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 2:24 p.m. CST

    I saw it...

    by Lord John Whorfin

    And I liked it a lot. It was different from the other Star Wars iterations we've seen before, just like every other new Star Wars iteration, yet the same in theme and tone. I love the painterly character models. I loved that the basis for the animation was the Thunderbirds. I thought the action was widescreen and fantastic. I would have preferred the traditional opening crawl, but it's there, just spoken instead of text. I wasn't bothered in the least by "Stinky" or Ziro. The voices were good, where replaced. I think it's a shame that it's stylish to hate on Star Wars nowadays, because the Clone Wars is a great Star Wars cartoon that'll be a high priority on my DVR this fall. It's certainly better than Droids, and I liked Droids.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Also what i meant by my theory

    by whooooooop

    was sorta what youre saying too.... but do think a lot of the critical comments have to do with people who WANT to be writers, some are they're naturally going to be critical...because its not the story they would art has some child like elements in it...i love patapon and loco roco as i'm much happier with this movie than the people on this talkback could be..

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 2:36 p.m. CST

    backdoor shenanigans

    by ArcadianDS

    are still going on here, folks. If you listen real careful, you can hear them stirring like rabbits in the leaves.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Lord John Whorfin

    by whooooooop

    yeah see, thats how i felt when i saw it too.. i've been telling people it had all these problems to stupidly try and get back credibitly but why the hell am i doing that? Hell Yeah it silll had those problems...but HELL YEAH when i was watching it..all those problems more or less went out the window i was like 10 again...of course i had just eaten a bunch of coffee beans... i'm glad people can have different opinions even the people who genuinely dont like it... were all allowed to have our own honest reactions to something...and I'll thank the universe that were not all the same person.. that would be A LOT more boring than any MOVIE ever MADE.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 2:55 p.m. CST

    And for GODS Sake

    by whooooooop

    if we didn't have opposing opinions then this talkaback would pretty much fizzle out... it would so one sided...and lets face it tension and conflict make for great entertainment..

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 3 p.m. CST

    Harry, where the hell do you just pick up a

    by teethgnasher

    $200 Millineum Falcon? Just curious. Sounds like something that has to be special ordered. Most specialty shops don't have that kind of stuff just laying around waiting to be bought.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 3:01 p.m. CST

    "Who the fuck made these robots, the goddamned Marx Brothers?"

    by togmeister

    Personally i thought that was the only genuinely funny bit in the whole flick, when the exasperated droid grabbed the other one and sighed 'look, just point down there and shoot'. The movie as a whole doesn't really work, though, being essentially three episodes haphazardly stitched together. The cliffside battle was cool, Ahsoka was surprisingly likeable, and the brief appearance of the Jawas was nice. No need to get worked up over this movie either way. It's no Dark Knight but it's no Norbit either. Hey ho.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Anyone else notice...

    by HoboCode

    that other than the combined AICN staff (who obviously had a meeting), and the lemming talkbakers who are on here just to bash Lucas and prejudge a film they haven't even seen, that the people who have ACTUALLY SEEN the movie, enjoyed it?

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 3:23 p.m. CST

    You know why people hate geeks i ngeneral?

    by HoboCode

    Becasue they think they're smarter than everyone else, and usually without merit. The vast majority of you pussies have shit on a movie you haven't even fucking seen yet. Do you realize how pathetic that is? Do you realize how much of a fucking asshole it makes you look like?

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 3:43 p.m. CST


    by 2sdaychicken

    The man is brilliant.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 3:44 p.m. CST


    by whooooooop

    WERE PAID TO HATE IT!? So that no parents end up taking their kids.....wonder if this post will be embargoed? Sure Hope Not, Now THAT would suck!

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 3:46 p.m. CST

    I also have a powerful force in my shorts

    by vinylsaurus

    Y'see, I make my own fan films where the Jedis' power is significantly greater than that shown in the original films, just like Tartakovsky. And I have a big penis.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 4:11 p.m. CST

    someone at lucas film need to...

    by jason baum

    stage a mutiny. jesus fucking christ, everyday there's a new mess he's given us. also, thanks for the honest review harry.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 4:31 p.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    ...that was a simply dreadful performance. Explain to us how it is that your lifelong Star Wars fannery brought you to AICN, yet all you have EVER posted about is the Clone Wars movie? <p> You will notice that I'm not attacking VadakinX for liking the movie. Why is that, do you think? <p> By the way, no shit this movie isn't for "adult" Star Wars fans. How does that not make you a plant? One of the biggest plant tells ever is when they rave about how "the kids" will LOVE it or how a film is "fun for the whole family". What you're trying to salvage (poorly, I might add) is the few dollars you're hoping adults will spend taking the whole family to see this thing. <p> Do fuck off.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Its entertainingly bad

    by Funk4America

    I thought it was a fun movie. I don't know what you all were expecting. I dont need this to be empire strikes back. I thought that southern drag queen hutt was too funny. I liked the bumbling droid army, its called shtick people. Its how you dress up a peice of shit. and I was totaly into it. I'm glad they did it rather than leave it flat and serious it was groan worthy, but totally watchable. I actually saw some subversive shit going on in it. They should have got John Waters to direct it. Its trash, its not great traSH BUT its star wars trash. I CANT WAIT FOR THIS FUCKING SHOW and by the way the sounds in it were used to a pretty good effect.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 4:56 p.m. CST

    hey i posted more about the prequils than the clone wars

    by whooooooop

    they were more intersting to me... but this whole thing - hate..that facinating to me...I"M ALL FOR IT...thats cool by my.... but i REALLY ENJOYED IT....thats all i ever said ...i never said it was fun for the whole family...I pretty much think what VadakinX thinks...that if you hated the prequils you'll probably hate this too...But i Loved it... I agree with Funk4AMerica...i wasn't expecting it to be some great movie...i went into it thinking on an old warner bros cartoon...there were a few cringe worth moments.but I and the people i went with had fun...HAHA but this is so werid becuase there WERE a lot of kids in the audience and they DID have a blast...and it seemed like they did a bit more than the adults..the adults weren't screaming or anything...i just dont know what to say...I'm sorry? hahaha...but its sooooo true....why do you have such a hard time thinking kids would enjoy it...i mean it was aimed at kids... and all the Ziro party were horrible and trashy but it was like subversive in a way... so much so apparently its freaking out the status quo of movie reviewers..haha..

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 5:01 p.m. CST

    whooop, a piece of advise

    by irrelevntelefant

    stop trying to convince people you are not a plant. whether or not you are, you have been flagged as being a plant and are thusly a plant for the rest of your talkback days

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Make up your mind, whooop.

    by DocPazuzu

    Is it or isn't it fun for the whole family? You say you never claimed it was, then fill your post with statements describing how kids loved it. <p> And no, you've posted almost exclusively about Clone Wars. The only times you've posted about the PT, it's been in connection with Clone Wars. <p> Now, please answer my question if you have the balls for it.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 5:04 p.m. CST

    DocPazuzu & leobloom

    by whooooooop

    Come ONNN...Did you guys even see it? not that you'd be able to enjoy it at this point... "its become too much of a "thing"." Its Trash...Fun Trash...If you are able to enjoy trash...

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 5:05 p.m. CST


    by vadakinX

    I've been saying that for years :P <p> And DocPazuzu, I think you aren't atacking me because you either recognise my genius or because you think I'm a 12 year old and just couldn't be bothered haha. <p> I've had to deal with 9 years of people bashing the can get pretty lonely on this side. But fuck it. Star Wars changed my life and the prequels set me on my current path in life. I love those movies for what they are and while I wish people could look at them the way I do, I understand that personal opinions are a dime a dozen. Everyone has their own tastes and as long as someone doesn't attack me for my opinion, then I can respect theirs. <p> I don't feel about the Clone Wars the way I do about the live action films. But I do like it. It's fun, it's entertaining. And that's the most important thing...if a movie doesn't entertain, it has failed in its primary goal. <p> Yes, kids will love this movie, some adults will like it, others will roll their eyes, while a few will no doubt cry rape. But for me at least, it's a good start for the tv show and I can't wait for the rest.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 5:08 p.m. CST

    "fun for Kids" is not the same as "fun for the whole family"

    by whooooooop

    unless it was and entire family of children.. which i dont think is possible... look i'm just telling you guys what happened... all the kids in theater i was in really seemed to love it..thats all i you think thats not possible....

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 5:11 p.m. CST

    This will be my first ever pirated download.

    by Royston Lodge

    After all these reviews, I've resolved NOT to EVER pay to see this Clone Wars movie. If I bother to watch it at all, it'll be via torrent. How sad. The way the drag queen Hutt is described in these reviews, it sounds worse than the Star Wars Holiday Special (which I watch religiously every Christmas, just to get back at my girlfriend who is pathalogically addicted to It's A Wonderful Life). For Lucas to go and out-do the awesome terribleness of Bea Arthur as a pseudo-alien cantina bartender is simply beyond belief. I once wrote that I hoped and prayed that some day he would animate the Thrawn Trilogy using the original actors for the voices, but now I give up on that dream. Even if he did it, he'd just fuck it up. How about a letter-writing campaign to convince Lucas (and the publishing company, and Timothy Zahn) to donate the Thrawn Trilogy to National Public Radio so they can turn it into a kick-ass radio drama?

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 5:13 p.m. CST

    I'm not debating...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...the pros and cons of this film. I don't loathe the prequels. My only beef is with the soulless, bloodsucking marketing cocks who come in here pretending to be one of us and trying to rally support. I despise these cretins with a passion and will seek them out and throttle them even if they're in a talkback defending my favorite movies of all time. That's how repellent I find them.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 5:14 p.m. CST


    by whooooooop

    i'm not saying i'm "right" i'm saying i had fun... at this silly little flawed kids movie... and i'm simply blown away by the fact that no one can belive there are people out there that could enjoy it...i mean lets look at the world...i'm not a big golf fan...but people will always love golf..i dont go around trying to convice people to stop playing golf, or needlepoint, or ice hockey, i for one LOVE that fact the world is filled with different people with different opinons...i loved were my brother anikin...and here's your line ....."I HAAAAAAATE YOU"

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 5:16 p.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    "I and the people i went with had fun...HAHA but this is so werid becuase there WERE a lot of kids in the audience and they DID have a blast...and it seemed like they did a bit more than the adults..the adults weren't screaming or anything..." <p> It must be causing you brain hemorrhages trying to figure out a way to endorse this as a family film yet make it sound cool at the same time. <p> This is why you people fail. Contrary to what you seem to think, you CAN'T speak like us, you DON'T know what makes us tick and you sure as fuck aren't selling us a goddamned thing.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 5:20 p.m. CST


    by vadakinX

    The kids where I saw it all seemed to love it too, which is why I said that kids will love it. <p> Is it fun for the family? You know, one thing I noticed when I went was that there were a lot of fathers and sons there and very few mothers. The reaction was positive...people in Ireland (where I'm from) tend not to applaud films at the end...they didn't applaud The Dark Knight for example. They also don't whoop and cheer throughout the movie. We laugh at jokes and jump in our seats at scares...but that's about it. <p> Then people talk about it on the way out and the reaction was generally positive. <p> I would definitely like to see more Star Wars on the big screen...although maybe something specifically designed for the cinema rather than a tv episode that has been stretched out across the screen. <p> I think The Clone Wars may be more fun for families who are fairly casual fans or indifferent rather than those who are set in their opinions about the film...the average non geek family would enjoy it, at least that's what I think.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 5:20 p.m. CST

    *knocks on whooooooop's head*

    by DocPazuzu

    Hello? Anyone in there? <p> I just pointed out that there are several people in this very talkback who liked the film and whom I've not attacked. Don't pull that shit here. This has NOTHING to do with liking the film or not, and EVERYTHING to do with your agenda.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Yeah i HATE plants too....

    by whooooooop

    i think its immoral...i'm with you there... All i'm interested at getting to is the TRUTH... THATS WHY I KEEP FREAKING POSTING.... I"M ONLY SPEAKING FOR ONE GUYS didn't see the movie yet? But here's the deal - you're making a mistake...i'm no plant i just liked it... and i'm facinated with why thats so unacceptble...i never said fun for the whole i thinking very few people from our generation will like it... after alll this posting...but the whole truth is the kids were having who knows maybe this wont be popular...who gives a rats ass?

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Bloody hell, Royston!

    by DocPazuzu

    You watch that thing every Christmas? Damn, that takes nerves of steel!

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 5:24 p.m. CST

    "and i'm facinated with why thats so unacceptble"

    by DocPazuzu

    Are you dense?

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Yeah i do have an agenda

    by whooooooop

    and its this: i want to relay my personal experience...the plain and stupid fact is that you happen to be making a mistake... or simply trying to get my goat... I like the movie...the kids in the theather i was in were crazier about it than i was... i was hoping for a less kid like film sure... but hey it was FUN...what can i say? And thats ALL I'm saying....So keep telling people to NOT see it thats your right..i'll keep telling people that kids who liked the prequils will probably like it...thats my opinion...what the I mean JESUS...dont you think if I was freaking plant i would changed my screen name by now...and slipped out quietly...? And came back in as someone else... i mean hey if i was a plant i would be the WORLDS WORST haha...mabye one of the other slicker guys is posting that but not me...i'm just one guy with one measley opinion...hey probably most people think i'm some kook by why would my opionion really matter to you are anyone else for that matter..

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 5:33 p.m. CST


    by vadakinX

    I'm personally hoping that you are not only a plant, but George Lucas himself and that you'll give me a job :P <p> Please? I need work and Uwe Boll isn't returning my calls. haha

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 5:36 p.m. CST


    by whooooooop

    "and i'm facinated with why thats so unacceptble"..yeah... it boggles my mind... why do you care what one guy thinks? i'm sure their may by plants out there on both sides...or has this just become some ego battle? maybe it has become an ego battle......and if it has i'm sorry...

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 5:39 p.m. CST


    by whooooooop

    ha yeah i wish i was a plant...I bet working for Lucas would be more fun that my job...getting to make aliens all know there's a part of me thats wishes thats true for sure..or at least ...UWE BOLL? hahah...i hope that was a joke, because man i LOVE video games...and what he's done for the image of games is Arguably worse than what lucas did to star wars image haha...i mean talk about MIISSED OPPORTUNITIES!

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 5:42 p.m. CST

    And vadakinX if i was a plant

    by whooooooop

    i would totally try to get you some kind of connection...but sadly i have none... like i was saying before there probably a lot of talented writers here..i hope they all get a chance to make great careers...the more cool stuff out there the better...

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 5:47 p.m. CST

    For the last time, whoooop...

    by DocPazuzu you very well know, I'm NOT telling people not to see this film. This has NOTHING to do with the pros and cons of the film per se, as I've repeatedly stated and which you're choosing to ignore, no doubt hoping to shift the focus from the real issue at hand. <p> Bottom line: <p> 1) You have NEVER posted anything in an AICN talkback that DOESN'T in some way deal with Clone Wars, which you have been doing since you showed up in May. <p> 2) You are hitting ALL the plant tells in both your use of language and the content of what you say.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Dick Bahls Jr

    by whooooooop

    hey i'm not saying lucas isn't about the marketing or is...i'm just saying i had fun the what? i'm not going to become embarassed of that...or take it back... ha....JEESUS i WISH i WAS A PLANT i probably could have made a shiload or money today too hahhaha....Shit Man i'm gonna go have a few drinks with Girl at a Bar...I may need A LOT of therapy after all this stuff...Seriously though...its been a debate club kind of way...check you later on down the trail... the dude abides...and yes i'll be out there takin it easy for all us sinners...WHAT is bad to like the Big Lebowski too!? (i mean was a better movie movie)

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 5:51 p.m. CST


    by whooooooop

    for that last time, why in hell would a plant be so obvious...wouldn't it be like really easy as a plant if you got called out to just change your name or open a new account?

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 5:51 p.m. CST

    And thus...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...whoooooop disappears, like so many other plants, never to be seen again -- at least until the Clone Wars series begins, but under a different name.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Lucas had Polanski take pictures of my childhood

    by irrelevntelefant

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Whoooop was such a plant you could smoke him

    by irrelevntelefant

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 5:54 p.m. CST

    "why in hell would a plant be so obvious"

    by DocPazuzu

    Because you're all stupid. Here's your homework: go read the AvP:R talkbacks and see how easy you folks are to spot. None of the "hardcore alien and predator fans" who mysteriously showed up to defend that movie were EVER heard from again.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 5:56 p.m. CST


    by whooooooop

    yeah its very simple when i never came to AICN until about a year ago is when i started reading it...but i never really cared about posting anything before...but its kinda fun...debating this...GOD if i was a plant i'm telling would be so much smarter to sign in...write a positive review...and then sign in as someone else...and write another postive review...that way it would look like a lot of people liked it...i have no use for doing that becasue then i couldn't have this debate thing going on...which has been entertaining to me...

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 5:58 p.m. CST

    "and then sign in as someone else"

    by DocPazuzu

    Why, because two strangers spouting market cockspeak is more convincing than one? <p> Sorry, you fail.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 5:59 p.m. CST


    by vadakinX

    Is my memory totally fucked or did we once have a debate about Superman Returns? <p> As for how to be a successful plant...water, nutrients and sunlight...oh I'm hilarious. What do you call a deaf Jedi? Master Jedi...he may be dead but he can still read your fucking mind. Oh stop me now. Which shot first the chicken or the egg? Oh dear god I'm on a roll. What do you get if you cross Robot Chicken Star Wars with Family Guy Star Wars? More money for George....and so on and so forth.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 6:01 p.m. CST

    no but seriously

    by whooooooop

    Obviously i could've signed in 15 different names and posted 30 glowing posts... but like i'm saying i have no interest in making people belive anything...if i was i would certainly be doing a Horrible job...i'm sure i've swayed a lot more people in the opposite direction if anything...but yeah i like debating about Star Wars...the debate about the movies has given a lot more entertainment than the movies themselves...

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 6:01 p.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    No, not Superman Returns, but it may have been Indy 4 or some such. Don't recall precisely.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 6:03 p.m. CST

    "if i was i would certainly be doing a Horrible job"

    by DocPazuzu

    As I'm sure you'll be told at the meeting tomorrow morning.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 6:05 p.m. CST

    No i would think

    by whooooooop

    if you were really a undercover marketer you would try and sign in make all your reviews sound like differnt people...use differnt make it LOOK like a lot of people really liked the would anyone know where the posts came from... i'm just a real live guy behind this and this is my one real experience..that i enjoyed a flawed kids movie...sorry you fail.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 6:08 p.m. CST

    Whoooop is the noise I made when Lucas fondled my childhood

    by irrelevntelefant

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 6:11 p.m. CST


    by whooooooop

    haha well that did make me laugh... the only i'm gonna be told at the meeting is why didn't i have more Real Esate layouts...ugh....and what the hell were you typing about all day...? Anyway you guys should check out this cool new movie called THE CLONE WARS isn't like nothing you've ever seen has no relevance to ANY other movies that came before it...and has nothing to do with any story line that you may have ever heard about before - FUN FOR THE WHOLE FAMLY! now with a $50 discount on tickets for all douchebags!

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 6:16 p.m. CST

    Speaking of George

    by vadakinX

    I don't think he did this for the money. The man is worth $5 Billion. <p> I think he did it because he genuinely wanted to see it on the big screen and he wants to explore TV. People forget that Lucas is a geek...he was a geek before most of us were born. His Star Wars was Flash Gordon. He grew up watching movie serials and as he started to get into film he watched Kurosawa movies and cinema from all over the world. <p> Sure, it helps that it will increase his wealth, but overall I think it's just a love of entertainment. Say what you will about his recent efforts, but even in the last few years, his companies have done more for the evolution of film technology than anyone. <p> However, I do also think there is an element of fear. I want to see Lucas branch out and do other projects. I'd like to see him direct a Superman or Green Lantern, or do an original project and I know he wants to make new movies. But I think he is anxious about it. After all, Star Wars is a safe bet. <p> Fans may be divided on his recent efforts, but when it's all said and done, the prequels were all successful. People love Star Wars. Lucas loves Star Wars. But while he would like to branch out, Star Wars is safe, it's dependable. <p> Lucas once said...and I'm paraphrasing here..."if I make a movie and get a room full of people and they enjoy it, I'm happy." <p> Lucas wants an audience. He talks about doing smaller films that nobody would want to see, but he hasn't done it. Why? He craves an audience. He wants people to see and enjoy his work and with Star Wars he knows he'll get that.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 6:17 p.m. CST


    by wonderllama

    When I said the series was aimed at kids, I mean THIS series...not the movies...just THIS series. That is all.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 6:21 p.m. CST


    by Atomica

    You know what sucks most about Clone Wars not being good? The fact that it gives more furl to you fucktards who didn't like the prequels. Yes, everyone's entitled to their opinion...blah, blah, blah...A wise man once told me opinions are like assholes; Everyone's got one but yours stinks particularly. This applies to those prequel haters. Are they perfect? No, far from it. But they did tell a cohesive, immersive and compelling story of how Luke and Leia's Father became the Scourge of the Galaxy in Darth Vader. Yes Jar Jar sucks, Yes midichlorians are bizzare & so on. They're still very mell made and better than 99% of the Scifi movies out there with no contest. Once it was revealed that Genndy Tartakovsky wasn't involved i knew it wouldn't be what fans were expecting. So flame on you prequel fascists...enjoy the fuel this weekend b/c that's about all the talkbackin' you're likely to get out of this. <sigh> At least the Star Wars TV series is still in development.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Oh and whooooooop is totally a plant.

    by Atomica

    that's all.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 6:24 p.m. CST

    actually vadakins thats a good point

    by whooooooop

    really the problems that were in the prequils probably came from his vanity in a way... he should do a movie and not put his name on it...just to see what the reaction would be..without people knowing its him...then the movie would stand or fall on its own merits...and yeah growing up with starwars...its not possible for me to not have a ton a ideas and baggage good and bad going into it...but life is i'll deal with my own flaws...also i'm not a video game maker or musician...even though i've done a lot of everyone i know who works in video games end up not enoying them because they're spending 14 hour days...and then when they get time off they just need to get away...

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 6:31 p.m. CST

    that wouldnt work

    by vadakinX

    In this day and age it would be impossible for someone like Lucas to make a movie without the world knowing he made it.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Like i said i wish i was a plant...

    by whooooooop

    all i'm saying for you guys who havent seen it... wait for it to come out on TV...dont pay to see it...get it from bittornt whatever...never give lucas the lard neck another dime...i dont think its reeally going to affect him....but as a guy who really cared about star wars and i like it now but can't get though EP1 and 2 all the way...this was more fun....then again i was eating a bunch of coffee beans...

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 6:37 p.m. CST

    Star Wars has sucked since Phantom Menace

    by mpd1958

    I was 18 when the first Star Wars movie came out in 1977, so I wasn't a child; still, I loved it more than any movie I had ever seen. Having said that, I must admit that the whole franchise went off the rails with Phantom Menace. My theory is that when the movies gave up even the guise of science-fiction, and became pure fantasy, they became childish and ridiculous. Remember, in the first trilogy none of the large spaceships (except for the Millineum Falcon) was ever shown operating inside an atmosphere; like the Enterprise from Star Trek, or the Discovery from 2001, it was clear that they were not aerodynamic or meant to operate in an atmosphere, or to ever land on a planet. By Attack of the Clones, the Imperial Star Destroyers are taking off and landing like WW II bombers! And Anekin, while still a kid, is building an android like a soap-box racer! I think it is only natural that it has now degenerated to its lowest level-a shit cartoon. It quit being Star Wars in 1983.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 6:37 p.m. CST


    by whooooooop

    hmmm thats too bad...still its an interesting idea..being able so start over and and have your movie judged on its own sometimes i think artists get to much merit becasue of their old work...(lucas case in point) that's the only way you'd know what people really though of your work...sort of like a millionaire who wont tell the girls he's dating that he's he can find out if the girl really likes him for who he is...and not for his $$$

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Harry, your review is SOOOOO wrong!

    by Bob Cryptonight

    The movie is merely boring. It's wall to wall action that is just boring because there is no interesting story to make the action meaningful. This is the SUPER FRIENDS of Star Wars. The costumes are there, the action is there, but it's obviously meant for small kids ONLY. So what? Also, Ziro the Hutt sounds like Truman Capote. I don't see how that is offensive. As for the baby's BARELY in the movie!!! It's more of a plot device than a character. You need to relax. I think your stomach band is too tight!

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 6:46 p.m. CST

    "Shit Man i'm gonna go have a few drinks with Girl at a Bar"

    by whooooooop

    yeah and i've been dating her for two years... relationships come with their own set of challenges..true ones are work sometimes.. but its boss left and i'm still here...talking this nonsense....anyway yes, that sounds like a good idea...check you guys on the flip your face...POOCHIE out...yes i get the reference i'm not retarted you douche bags...and i aint no plant... although i feel like i'm starting to sprout roots to this freaking chair..peace out yall... (yes i know you dont like my choice if words) maybe i should sign out...Hey Poop you big douches check you later!

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 6:49 p.m. CST

    DocPazuzu: Trust me, alcohol is involved...

    by Royston Lodge

    I first saw the Holiday Special at a bar, where they were showing it as part of a double feature with the Star Wars episode of the old Donnie & Marie show, featuring R2D2 and C3P0 in a flying saucer, a Rockettes/Stormtrooper kick-line, and Donnie/Marie pulling off some creepy-yet-oddly-prophetic Luke/Leia sexual tension. That booze-fueled night got me addicted to the great cautionary-tale-that-came-true-with-the-prequels about making Star Wars stuff that doesn't really care. And yet, IT MORE FUN TO WATCH THAN THE PREQUELS!!!

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 7:05 p.m. CST

    I'm a hardcore SW fan...

    by Hugh G Rekshun

    ...and unapologetic Lucas apologist...and I had no desire to watch this movie before reading any of the negative reviews.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 7:05 p.m. CST

    if any of you are going to actually see this...

    by Prossor

    at least pay for another movie and then go watch this, anything to not give anymore money to that double chinned parasite.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 7:08 p.m. CST

    Caravan of Courage was the worst Star Wars film

    by Reelheed

    and where is it now? WoooOOOooo... spooky.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 7:31 p.m. CST

    To the apologist fanboys e.g. Termigoonie

    by FookU

    It's really sad to see you and the other apologists in denial that the prequels were shitty movies. Yes, RotJ did get worse when I grew up but I still like it. What you're not getting is that SW and ESB weren't targeted at kids and that is why they succeeded and are timeless. Those successes only illustrate the monumental failures that have followed. The PT was garbage at worst and barely passable at best. Lucas is a fucking lucky hack but a hack nonetheless. He's even admitted to being a terrible writer so it's not like people are just making this shit up. My money will stay in my pocket on this and future SW properties. I've given up on Star Wars.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 7:42 p.m. CST

    You "old guys" have just lost the love...

    by Hoojiberish

    and I thought I had too. Yes, I was a complete Lucas-whore for many years, and post "Sith" I decided I was done with it all. I didn't hate the prequels, but I didn't love them either. I quit playing any of the Star Wars games, got fed up with the novels, and stopped following all of it. I just came out of the theater from seeing "Clone Wars" a few hours ago, and I just don't get the hate. It had its dorky parts that the kids will laugh at, but it has all the trappings of a decent Star Wars flick. No, it doesn't have the resonance of A New Hope or Empire, but we're in the prequel era now, George is a different guy, and let's just face it - we're not getting that kind of quality again until someone re-injects some real drama and seriousness into the saga. I don't think Lucas can do it, and no one else will be able to either so long as he's holding the onto the reigns. I don't hate where he's taken things, but clearly he could have done more to keep the series serious, dramatic, yet entertaining. On top of all of that, the prequel haters just aren't ever going to like this because the content is pure prequel territory. The short version - I had fun at the movies today, and I'm looking forward to seeing more Star Wars in my living room for the first time in quite a while. I guess I'm just a lame fanboy doesn't know any better. Or wait, maybe I just know when to relax and enjoy and stop wanting to fault everything that comes out. It's not going to make history, it's not breaking any box office records, but I don't see how it could be painted so badly. Especially by this site...ok, so the BS about the pulling the review probably didn't help matters Look at it this way. Since before the Special Editions, my "Ain't It Cool News" bookmark has lived under my Star Wars folder. It's never left that spot, even when I was sick of Star Wars. Are we really so old and jaded now that we can't just enjoy spending some time in our other favorite galaxy? I know I'm talking to the wrong crowd here, but what the hell. I liked it and I'm not ashamed to say so.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 8:34 p.m. CST

    by JSheaStanley

    So, let's see, if I've got this right. Harry's been catching shit from talkbackers for years, because he doesn't loathe the Prequel trilogy and Indy 4 as much as some of the hyper-reactive loudmouth Lucas-bashers here. AICN as long since lost any cred as an influential force in the entertainment industry (which I doubt it ever REALLY had). Name a movie who's box office success was DIRECTLY and CLEARLY influenced by AICN. I dare you. Snakes on A Plane? Grindhouse? Speede Racer? As much as I enjoyed some of those flicks, ALL box office failures, despite much AICN hype. So Harry sees CLONE WARS, honestly hates it. Fine. Harry sees a chance to win back the love and affection of the Lucas bashing crowd and try to regain some cred. Now Harry knows his audience. He knows how quickly they are to overreact, get all riled up, pitchforks at the ready when it comes to Lucas. So Harry posts his review ASAP, keeps it up long enough to get some hits, get some comments, let the right users see it so when it's MYSTERIOUSLY GONE hours later, conspiracy theories start. Smart move by the big guy. Then Mori, posts an snitty little bitchfest about embargos and "it's not fair because before..." bullshit and has a hissy fit. Mori CLEARLY stated it was WB who pulled the review, not Lucas, but the HATERS keep it up and over the course of a couple of days, the story becomes that Lucas pulled it because Harry's revew is SO damning that it might hurt the movies BO. All the other reviewers pile on with their negatives reviews (though I've no reason to doubt their honest dislike for the film). AICN, dormant for a while in ET news has managed to get a few extra hits out of curiosity, and a few mentions on some sites. Clone Wars won't make HUGE money like the 6 live action films (though it was NEVER meant to. The movie {which, by the way, LUcas made with his OWN GODDAMNED MONEY. He spent his money out of his own damn pocket with no assurance that he'd ever earn it back to make something HE wanted to make the way HE wanted to make it, so it has to mean at least a little to him) was ONLY ever meant to be a fun way to introduce the 30 minute series on THE CARTOON NEWORK). The media will tout the "disappointing" BO or perhaps even the failure at the box office of CLONE WARS, Harry and AICN can claim "a victory for all of Geekdom" and claim some sort of relevancy once again, as if somehow AICN is SO powerful that it brought down the Mighty Lucas Empire; that GEEKS around the world stood up against Lucas the Oppressor and took back their independence. See how much AINT IT COOL NEWS matters, see... Harry is IMPORTANT again, just like the good ol' days. There was rumored to be a more positive review due from one of the AICN staffers, was there not? Wasn't there to be an explanation from Harry himself about some shady dealings behind the scenes with the "embargo"? Where's all that? Or maybe this little shitstorm the AICN crew cooked up for themselves is doing everything it was meant to do. The talkbackers have been played. Having read reviews AICN staff have written in the past, I wouldn't have guessed they could have conceived such a plot. But, really Harry, I GOT YA! I'm on to you sister! Face it folks, this is all about some press for AICN. At best, Harry's a 5th rate writer and AICN is a site that thrives on half-truths or lies. What's Harry gonna do when AICN ceases to pay the bills? God knows no legitimate outlet would ever pay him to write. This is a site run by man-children, never owning up to any sort of responsibility, always pointing the blame at someone else. I check in every now and then to see what kind of horseshit they're peddling and to see how much worse their use of the English language can get, but I don't for one second believe, AICN, as a whole, has an ounce of integrity as legitimate journalism, nor should you. So don't turn this into a FREEDOM F THE PRESS issue. AICN has always and will always do what they must to turn your favor in their direction if it gets them what they want. AICN is dying. And they all know it. And for you guys who keep angrily declaring that "LUCAS TOOK MY MONEY!!!". Grow up. Nobody forced you to spend a DIME on ANYTHING Star Wars or Lucas related. You either made an informed or uninformed decision spend your money on Lucas-related shit. Sucks to be you if you didn't like it, but the no one else wants to hear you cry about it.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 8:35 p.m. CST


    by Eats_sandwich_gets_laid.

    I agree with a lot of what you said, except for the bit where you liked it. I LOVE Star Wars, but this just went a bit too far into cutesy territory. Artoo-ie? Sorry, but I just can't deal with that. Still, you make several good points. Most do take it too seriously, but if I hear someone call someone else "snips" one more time i might throw up.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 8:48 p.m. CST

    This movie is clearly for children.

    by #1 Zero

    I think its obvious that Lucas is trying to foster a new generation of Star Wars fans, namely children to buy merchandise for the next ten years. The voice over narration in the beginning was there because kids can't read...yet. It's animated in a kid friendly way and a 200 dollar millinium falcon? At least a few kids will want their parents to buy them that after they take their kids to this. I went to see Vicky Christina Barcelona this afternoon and a father and son were there to see star wars and they both had fake light sabers on their belts. I guess I can't knock that, I mean bond with your kid however you can, but seriously, since Episode one centered on a child, the then ten year olds who are now 18 probably follow star wars at least a little and this is a new fan base being built here, and the series...well that will be for kids too, sorry to not get yours and mine adult expectations up, but this is about selling toys at this point most likely. I never followed the SW books or comics, and I can only hope an adult looking for a mature star wars story can find them there, but otherwise I don't know where they will be able to find one in the movies or series from here on out.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 9:53 p.m. CST

    boo hoo

    by malakori

    boo fucking hoo, you hated a star wars, join the club!

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Jumping on the SW Hate Bandwagon huh Harry?

    by Redfive!

    I just got done seeing this and all your complaints about Ziro,Stinky,Nicknames and The Troopers are minor NOT MAJOR. Sure the dialog was bad BUT THIS IS STAR WARS ITS ALWAYS BEEN BAD. Jar Jar is STILL the worst character in SW and I dont understand how you love Hellboy 2 and The Mummy 3 yet bash this ...ITS A KIDS CARTOON and even at that its still better the both HB2 AND MUMMY 3.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 10:39 p.m. CST

    Right now Emporer Lucas is at home going...

    by Juggernaut125

    <p>"Yes... YESSSS!!! Let your hate flow through you. Good. GOOOOOOD! Now strike me down and I shall become more powerful than you could ever imagine.!"</p> <p>Ofcourse he's saying this in his Indiana Jones 4 underoos...

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 10:50 p.m. CST

    Star Trek Voyager meet Star Wars

    by Unnatural

    Star Wars, welcome to the Delta Quadrant of suck. I am huddled in a corner clutching my old ORIGINAL trilogy VHS tapes. Damn I need to get these transferred to DVD.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 11:47 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    Do you really think it appropriate to take your chillen to see a cartoon of a guy we all know is destined to kill younglings and commit attempted murder of his pregnant wife? <p> wtf, people.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 11:47 p.m. CST

    This movie is clearly written by children

    by ebolamonkey

    Not "meant for". Big difference.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 11:55 p.m. CST

    Fucking F!

    by Mr_Sinister7381 Lives

    I think Entertainment Weekly is probably the nicest birdcage liner ever made, but that said, CLONE WARS got an F! A fucking F!

  • Aug. 16, 2008, 12:21 a.m. CST

    Hey, I liked it for what it was

    by Emperor_was_a_jerk

    Big surprise. A bunch of 40 year olds who refuse to grow up or let go of the past don't like a movie made for 8 year olds. IT WAS NOT MEANT FOR YOU.

  • Aug. 16, 2008, 12:33 a.m. CST

    Lucas had sex with my childhood...and then never called me again

    by jules windex

    whoooop is cool, I like him. He gets the conformist haters angry and that's fun.

  • Aug. 16, 2008, 12:33 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    A cartoon about a "Jedi" who exacts revenge by slaughtering a village (women and children included), murders kidlings, tries to murder his teacher and tries to strangle his wife to death is for ... 8 year olds. <p> Got it.

  • Aug. 16, 2008, 1:20 a.m. CST


    by Unnatural

    You made me just think of something. This Clone Wars movie is like getting your kid to like Elmo, and then when they get older finding out Elmo is an axe murdering child rapist. My GOD! Lucas really is trying to ACTUALLY RAPE CHILDHOODS NOW!

  • Aug. 16, 2008, 1:53 a.m. CST

    Hoooooooooo boy

    by RobinP

    I guess the message is loud and clear. If you only see ONE CGI movie this summer, make it Wall-E.

  • Aug. 16, 2008, 1:55 a.m. CST

    Harry is now officially old and cranky

    by kramsnosrap

    I went in expecting a disaster based on the AICN reviews and was very pleasantly surprised. I loved it and am considering getting d-tv back so I can watch the series. The 11 year old I went with loved it as did the friends he met up with outside the theater. The baby hutt was amusing and the adults in the audience seemed to find Ziro hilariously funny. All the bitching about the dialogue seems absurd to me. Is this Mamet? Proust? It is a kids tv show and all the speakin' worked jest fine. Time for jaded old winge-bags to get out of the way and let the kids enjoy themselves. STAR WARS belongs to somebody else now. Stop your sobbing and move on!

  • Aug. 16, 2008, 3:46 a.m. CST

    Star Wars hasn't been good since 1983...

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    I just don't understand why Harry's so surprised this film was crap. It's kinda like seeing Neo's confused expression when he was first unlinked from The Matrix.

  • Aug. 16, 2008, 5:02 a.m. CST


    by Motoko Kusanagi

    nuff said

  • Aug. 16, 2008, 6:49 a.m. CST

    As a TV SHOW, this is going to be awesome!

    by Mecandes

    First, you have to understand what this is: it's the first few episodes of a half-hour television series which will air on a children's cartoon channel. If you go in thinking it is the next epic "Episode" in the Star Wars saga, you'll be sorely disappointed. But if you take it for what it really is, you will realize that it is going to be a very cool TV show! I went into this expecting to be disappointed -- I loved Genndy's Clone Wars and am a Star Wars geek, but the trailers for this 3D version hadn't impressed me. Instead, I was surprised to find myself very entertained by this, especially during the second half when it becomes more light-hearted and comical. (I'd even say I liked it better than Wall-E.) We laughed a lot, and outside the theatre after the film all the kids were talking excitedly about their favourite aspect of the film: the comical battle droids. I'm really looking forward to watching more of this series on television with my kids!

  • Aug. 16, 2008, 6:54 a.m. CST

    Not worth hating...quite worth liking a bit actually.

    by Jedibobster

    All these hateful reviews really had me worried. And maybe they did me a service - I went into this thinking that maybe it was going to be a all to hip and battle heavy version of Star Wars. But actually I enjoyed it for what it was. As much as I love the music of John Williams I think they were right to not use it much here. The opening crawl shouldn't be used here either - the Starhsip Troopers type voice-over I wasn't quite sure about but it served it's purpose. After that I at back and enjoyed being back in the Star Wars universe for an hour and a half - and at times you see that this movie does actually look really good at times. It just doesn't stop for very long to allow you to appreciate it. Because what this film IS is pacey. It is fairly uncomplicated plot-driven action but it also does get better as it goes along too. I for one quite liked Ziro the Hutt and his Coruscant digs. I reall can't see how HARRY can really find so much hatred inside to dish out on this thing. Sure, I could understand someone not particularly liking it - esp if they didn't care at all for Episodes I,II and III. But I could also see some preferring this to the Prequels. Anyway, so yeah, I enjoyed it and on the strength of this will look forward to more on TV. JEDI BOBSTER

  • Aug. 16, 2008, 7:49 a.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    The day Batman hangs his cape and surrenders to evil is the day I do the same. <p> Let's hope that day never comes.

  • Aug. 16, 2008, 8:04 a.m. CST

    If this movie truly is awful then that might be the end for me.

    by rbatty024

    As much as I grip about the prequels, I have to admit that Lucas had some interesting ideas. I love the fact that he wanted to show a complete innocent turn into one of the galaxy's greatest evils. I love that he created a war where no matter what side won, the galaxy lost. I actually love the fact that he didn't make the Jedis into ultra powerful Neos. They train for peace, not war. <p> However, what I don't love is the execution. Lucas should have realized that he hadn't written or directed a film in decades and that it's not like riding a bicycle. The man should have collaborated heavily with more talented writers and directors. At this point he doesn't have anything to prove. <p> If this is a situation where he did in fact hand off the reins and the film still sucks, then that might mean the end of Star Wars for me. If it has gotten to the point where Lucas is unable to at least pick out those more talented than himself, then I think I'm done. It's his creation and he can do what he wants with it. I will always have the first three movies and about fifty-percent of Revenge.

  • Aug. 16, 2008, 12:55 p.m. CST

    zero the what the F*^K?

    by anakinsoyo

    I love star wars like i love my football team , its something i have stuck with since childhood . Or like a member of the family its something that even though at times can be pretty poor i will still support and love . But What i saw last night changed all that and the sad thing is mr lucas wont even give a shit . I think he actually let jar jar score the music ! it was terrible horrific and nothing more than an insult to the work of john williams and no im not going to get used to it . I HATED it ! Zero the hutt ? I mean come on what the f££K ? i actually hid under my seat because i was that ashamed to be a star wars fan while this freak was on the screen . Mr Lucas i want my money back serious this has gone on long enough and you need to be told . Enough is enough . Im going to star a fellow ship for recovering collectors who want to give up like myself because this is my ROCK BOTTOM ! It cant possibly get any lower than this .

  • Aug. 16, 2008, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Saw It, Really Liked It

    by SamuelLappDance

    This was a really fun movie. The reviewers who hate this look like complete douches. There were so many great bits. Anakin leading his clone forces straight up a mountain while taking heavy blaster fire is one of the great non-OT sequences. Impressive opening battle. Both the battle droids and the clones were given personalities. It reminded very much of a lot of WWII films I've seen in my life actually. Loved the bit about Jabba's assassins beheaded and returned to the Hutt's palace. Great bit with R2 having to plug into the junker ship's computer and manually fire the guns. Liked the used of electric guitars used to enhance the action in spots. It had its own vibe. I'm glad I got to see this on a big screen. But considering how both Lucasfilm and WB botched this theatrical release, I wish they had just left it as the 1st 3 episodes of the new show. It's really not an actual "Star Wars" film. Because of that and because it is geared more towards children, it has given every jaded cynic license to dump on the saga as a whole.

  • Aug. 16, 2008, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Regarding Whoooop

    by SlickyVonBoner

    That was hysterical. The guy posted for 8 hrs or so. Seriously. Who has the time to sit at a computer and read everyones posts and create your own responses for an entire workday? All for one stupid movie. I've defended some hated movies before, but haven't felt the need to explain myself to everyone. It's always fascinating to watch a plant at work. It's like they're trying to convert us.

  • Aug. 16, 2008, 5:46 p.m. CST

    The score is good

    by m_prevette

    Haven't seen the movie yet, maybe tomorrow...but the Kevin Kiner score is pretty good. The thump a bump main titles are odd, but given there's no opening crawl, it's a different take, so it goes. The CD is almost 70 minutes of pretty solid orchestral stuff, a few blasts of guitar, the Wailing Woman - but it's a fun listen. It ain't Williams, true. John Debney or Joel McNeely should have scored this and it would have been freaking brilliant...but to diss the score by mentioning Kiner has scored TV is just stupid.

  • Aug. 16, 2008, 7:04 p.m. CST

    What about the Extended Universe?

    by maremagnum

    I mean, why is Lucas being such a jerk that he won't do films about what happened after "Episode VI"?

  • Aug. 16, 2008, 7:29 p.m. CST

    Saved by star trek

    by anakinsoyo

    i just read some more posts on this page to try and get a more open minded view on the tv show film i watched last night and i noticed that people were talking about star trek . The film wasnt that bad at all really because anything star wars compared with star trek is amazing . Fuck i forgot how much of a bore star trek tv shows are . Thank fuck for star wars ps ok a few of the star trek films were kind of ok but they did use ILM !

  • Aug. 16, 2008, 7:30 p.m. CST

    I'm not going to watch it.

    by krylite

  • Aug. 16, 2008, 7:48 p.m. CST

    ugh, i meant

    by krylite

    before I pressed enter first and did a blank post; I have totally lost interest in this. Rottentomatoes list it as 22% out of a good sample of > 100 reviews. I don't usually watch anything under 75%. This would be the worst rated SW theatrical release. I don't care to see anymore CW. Lucas squandered his chance to make CW a real epic. To hire a real director and visionary craftsmen like the crew which became ILM. final cut of SW was forced by the studio to be done my Marcia and someone else, that's right, it wasn't GL himself. The art design of most of the prequel stuff except for some buildings of coruscant and maul all suck and worse are kiddy moronic. The art design in OT looked like a real fantasy world out there in space, not some muppet world inciting 2-5 year needs to buy action figures. Did any of "Blade Runners" art design warrant action figures or play sets? Even the replicants? The hovercars? Since Ewoks were shoved at us in 1983, the magic of SW had been gone. Lucas had been aiming for that, counting on that part all of use wished that magic would come back, and that's what he marketed to get people to take their kids to see the onscreen commericals. Lucas can't bring that magic back, he doesn't know how. He boasted he has up to episode 9 or even 12 in 1980, then I was sorely disappointed to see in one his docu-videos in 1997 that he was "trying to come up with a story". He's not a storyteller. JRR Tolkien spent 14 years writing up LOTR and the rest of his life on the Silmarillon which he started in the trenches of WWI. Lucas crammed the script for SW for a year so he could show Coppola and his connections. Open stated in biographies that he researched oriental kungfu and samurai movies, flash gordon , and yes, even LOTR. Vader is a very very similar character to a RingWraith masks, black cloaks, former king-warriors and all before they got corrupted by one of the rings. Even Lucas' original scripts had power-rings and crystals jedi would depend on or enhance their powers. Anyways, we got great chasm chases and races, something Lucas actually raced hot rods as a teenager in the Modesto deserts and broke his back in an accident. So he really understood that part in SW and THX1138. Great storyteller? Willow? (a hack of hobbit?) Labyringth? please..Jackson filmed stuff all his life. Tolkien wrote and developed his world all his life, constantly writing. GL constantly marketing and making 5 editions or so of the OT. (ive got sound ef'xd edition VHS 1988, this was before the visual effects enhanced edition (tv commercial said "buy one LAST time" i kid you not back in 1991"). And we're going to see the blue-ray ultimate enhanced unenhanced OT , but catch is , it's bunched with the Clone Wars DVD release!

  • Aug. 16, 2008, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Just watched the origninal Star Wars again...

    by Merriman Lyon

    And I'm not talking about the movie that was retconned as Episode IV: A New Hope. I'm talking about the movie I saw at the age of 7 called Star Wars. What a great movie. I haven't seen it in a while but as an adult, I am able to appreciate its qualities and why it had such an impact on me as a kid.<p>It's got balls, it's got passion, it's got humanity. And all of that is missing from the prequels. <p>On a technical level, I can see how the filming approach in SW is directed at drama and characters, rather than visual effects. And not just characters but CHARACTERISATION. There is an emphasis on human beings interacting with each other - as opposed to the prequels where it's actors standing around intoning their lines. The cinematography is high-contrast and doesn't mind obscuring half the shot in darkness - including the protagonists' faces in the foreground. It's what helps anchor the story in a kind of gritty 'reality'. Compare this to the prequels were everything is bright and slick and CGI-homogenised. I could go on about this but I would advise anyone who's interested in understanding EXACTLY why the prequels have ended up the way they are to read the Secret History Of Star Wars - an outstandingly well-researched document at<p><p>For any of the Lucassheep, this site doesn't bash Lucas in the slightest - if anything you'll have more respect for him. But it documents (frequently in Lucas' own words) the evolution of the Star Wars saga and leaves you to judge for yourself.<p>And it's clear that the reason Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back were so good was because of the collaboration of many people. It's only when Lucas decided to go it alone that the saga crashed and burned.

  • Aug. 16, 2008, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Saw it tonight - giving it a "C"

    by xannibal

    No way as bad as this site says it is. It's tv movie "quality", plain and simple. I've seen much, much worse meritless, worthless below-contempt crap - Ron Howard's The Grinch Who Stole Christmas comes to mind - that wasn't derailed half as much as this is being. I guess Lucasfilm has just really, really upset some key members of the media, who are absolutely showing how little they really are by going so overboard in trying to malign this animated kids film.

  • Aug. 16, 2008, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Geek Critics Hitting a New Low...

    by Joel@eeriepa

    It's such a shame there's such a sh*t storm around this movie. Between the Harry Knowles debacle and the 0/10 review on JoBlo, you would think Lucas has created the film equivalent of the anti-Christ. The thing is, if you are a Star Wars fan, or at least a fan of the mythology (whether you liked the prequels or not), then you will probably dig this film. All the stuff that makes Star Wars 'Star Wars' is there- The sights, the sounds, the characters, lightsaber battles, space battles etc. It may not be on the same epic scale as the proper films, but it does the job. There are things to get used to- The Warner Bros. logo, no opening crawl, the different voices, the music. Most of these things are a product of what the Clone Wars is- a TV show. Therefore, John Williams sure as hell doesn't have the time or desire to score a television show for the next X amount of years, and Ewan MacGregor sure as hell doesn't have the time to lend his voice for Obi wan. These are not faults, they are realities. Bloody deal with it. There are some other new things that are actually quite good. Namely Anakin's new padawan, Asohka. She's cute yet sassy, headstrong yet skilled, and has more of a believable repore with Anakin then Hayden Christensen had with anyone in the prequel films. Speaking of Hayden, the voice actor for Anakin is light years better then what we got from Hayden, and much more relaxed. Also, the clone troopers getting more personality and individuality is a nice touch. It was smart to pick up that thread from the tartakovsky series. What people hate that isn't actually as bad as they claim it is- The Hutts. People seem to be going ape sh*t with hatred over Jabba's son. I don't know what movie most of these critics were watching, but Jabba's son amounts to little more then a prop in the movie, not some franchise destroying, JarJar-esque character. Yes, they call him "Stinky" for most of the movie (although that's not his actual name), but it's actually in a pretty derogatory way. It's more out of disdain then anything else. Also, the comments in the JoBlo review (and others) that say Jabba's son "...spends the movie making funny faces and farting" are not really true. Sure it makes some baby noises and faces (because it's a freakin' BABY), but it doesn't fart, and there are no "fart jokes". Ziro the Hutt may be a hard sell for some people, but as stated before- Ziro really is a Capote-esqe Hutt. Presonally, I found it pretty unique and refreshing for the Star Wars universe, and credit to the creators for the intelligent reference. People are also pretty heated over the music, and I will admit- during the opening fanfare I thought "oh boy...this is not what I was hoping for", but after that it all worked pretty well. Like I said before- It was never going to be John Williams, so suck it up. At least his themes are present, and some of the new compositions definitely go in directions you've never heard in a Star Wars story. Some work, some don't, but hell, at least they tried something new. The biggest complaint I can level at Clone Wars is that it really is just 3 episodes of the TV show strung together (that DO tell a complete story, just not an epic, mythology altering one.) Technically, no, this didn't really NEED to be released in theaters. But guess what? I got to sit in a theater and watch a Star Wars film on a 30 foot screen with digital sound blasting every lightsaber swing and starfighter speeding by, and it was damn entertaining. Yes, there is a large part of the Clone Wars that is a "Kids Movie", but that's not an excuse, it's just a reality, and one that never bogs the movie down or sells the creators short. And if you think there will be nothing in the film for adults you are mistaken. As someone mentioned above- The action scenes are largely better then the stuff in the prequels. the "camera" work is pretty great as well- everything from long single take shots, to twisting, turning, ducking and diving during the star fighter stuff, to hand held embedded camera shots when the clone troopers head in to battle. It is unfortunate that this movie is the recipient of so much blind rage. It's fairly obvious many geek critics went in to this movie already hating it. Whether it be review embargo's, or this inane mindset that Lucas somehow "raped your childhood", Clone Wars became the focus of the jaded, even though this is the Star Wars film Lucas had the least to do with. If you didn't like the movie that's fine, but many of these reviews are borderline irrational. 0/10? Seriously? Have you seen the trailer for Beverly Hills Chihuahua? One last thing- Please stop this "Clone Wars is a Lucas cash grab" nonsense. It's almost foolish to keep proclaiming it ad nauseum seeing as pretty much every piece of entertainment you consume is a cash grab. Do you really think the 20-something-ist Bond film coming out this Fall was made for artistic integrity? No, it's because it's a proven franchise that will make money, but hopefully for us fans there will be some talent involved who want to make a decent film. Or how about this one- Batman: The Animated Series was a cash grab by Warner Bros. to keep the franchise alive after Batman Returns made a crapload of money. It's also the greatest American animated show to ever hit the tube, and is responsible for some of the best storytelling (animated or otherwise) to hit the silver screen. Just because the money wheel keeps turning doesn't mean talented people won't be involved, and whether Lucas' motivation for the Clone Wars is financial or not doesn't mean there won't be a ton of talent getting a crack at the Star Wars universe. I just can't wait to see it.

  • Aug. 16, 2008, 11:29 p.m. CST

    Hey Harry, that $200 Millenium Falcon

    by nyj_et

    is on sale for $150 at Target. Seriously.

  • Aug. 17, 2008, 12:55 a.m. CST

    indeed it looked like a TV movie

    by RockMSockM

    Or straight to DVD quality. I'm a Star Wars fanatic, and I have no interest.

  • Aug. 17, 2008, 2:54 a.m. CST

    "I just want STAR WARS to be done right and cool"

    by Akira Cowabunga

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Then you'd have to go back in time and kill George Lucas before he ever makes the first one. It hasn't EVER been cool.

  • Aug. 17, 2008, 3:29 a.m. CST

    Joel@eeriepa is a Plant!

    by Akira Cowabunga

    Or else he's retarded. Who else would put up such a block of unreadable tripe in defense of this piece of shit. Go fuck yourself, joel.

  • Aug. 17, 2008, 3:53 a.m. CST

    Wow, Akira

    by Joel@eeriepa

    Thanks for proving just how douche bag laden Talkbacks can be. I can't wait to see what you contribute next!

  • Aug. 17, 2008, 3:55 a.m. CST

    Thank you.

    by Akira Cowabunga

    It's not always easy to lower the standards, especially when it comes to Star Wars.

  • Aug. 17, 2008, 5:08 a.m. CST

    Yes, you're (nearly) all forgetting it's NOT A MOVIE!

    by half vader

    It's 3 eps of a cartoon show stitched together, stuck on a big screen, and lightening our pockets by 15 bucks (not me, I had a freebie pass from whingeing about the Hulk). <p> I admit it's hard to remember not to judge it as a movie when you're seeing it in that context, but it's still not a movie and shouldn't be judged like one. <p> It should be judged like a TV cartoon. And looking at it that way, it completely fails there, too. Repeats all the same clichés, patronising-to-kids oversimplification, and talking-to-fill-space. Bleh. Think I'll go watch Samurai Jack.

  • Aug. 17, 2008, 5:11 a.m. CST

    P.S. The decision to show it theatrically was made a

    by half vader

    matter of months ago. If I remember, first in England/Europe/outside the U.S., which is an old practice which dates back to the Ewok movies. Then they decided heck with it. But it wasn't planned that way from the start.

  • Aug. 17, 2008, 6:20 a.m. CST

    Laugh at this post all you want..

    by emeraldboy

    but you all know that deep down this all true. George lucas Hates human beings. He cannot fucking stand them. They never do what they want him to do. So what is the solution? Artifical or CGi created characters. they cannot answer back to George and he has the power to delete them and make new characters. the only people who work at Lucasfilm are technicians. They create the characters for george. He doesnt consult with them any way. George knows very little about technolgy. These techs dont answer back because they ll get fired if they do.

  • Aug. 17, 2008, 7:24 a.m. CST

    Forget these movies: read a book

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    Darth Bane: Path of Destruction and Darth Bane: Rule of Two. Bane is one bad mo fo.

  • Aug. 17, 2008, 8:52 a.m. CST

    If you're over 12 years old....

    by Boogie Chillun

    ...then this movie wasn't made with you in mind. I understood that the moment they opted for a cartoony human voice to set the stage of the story, rather than a complicated roll-up that kids would never pay attention to in the first place. Knowing that and knowing that this was a showing heading for Cartoon Network, I'd put the median target age for this movie at about 7 years old. So I have to laugh at potty-mouthed 40-year old virgins who get pissed at this movie (where's my Fox logo?!?! The battle droids still act stupid! WAAAAH!) for being what it is, knowing that they're about 30 years outside of the demographic. Sorry, this version of Star Wars wasn't meant for you. With that in mind, the voices, characters, simple plot-line and everything else all make perfect sense. The couple of 8-year olds in front of me with their parents were all laughing at some of the silly, simple humor. They were having a good time. And indeed, the sound and visuals are all still Star Wars. You get to see the universe opened up and fleshed out in interesting new ways. The story flows like something that was meant for TV and that's fine. I wasn't expecting a new Star Wars film this year and so this was a just a bonus after the great box office summer we've had. Try to have some perspective and enjoy things for what they are. I got to see it on a digital screen with good seats and moderate expectations - and you know what, I enjoyed getting to be back in the Star Wars universe in this format and I look forward to the TV show - even though I'm much older than the kids these were meant for.

  • Aug. 17, 2008, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Hated it

    by Virdon

    I took my 10 year old son and 3 of his friends to see this movie on Saturday. I agree with this review. On the way home, I asked the kids on a scale of 1 to 10 how they would rate this movie. They said 7,8,9 & 10. My suspicions were confirmed. This was made for kids, not for 43 year old men who sat in a multi-plex at the mall in the summer of 1977. Our time has past, we are now our parents. We are officially old. We can work out, dye our hair, date younger women, drive sports cars etc. But old is just old and this movie was not made for us. We are not supposed to get it. If you are 43 and you get this crap or like it in any way, you might want to see a psychiatric doctor. You need help. May the force be with you. NOT!

  • Aug. 17, 2008, 10:13 a.m. CST

    BringingSexyBack:THIS movie is for kids...

    by Emperor_was_a_jerk

    BringingSexyBack, You still don't get it. And prove my point in your rebuttal. The Clone Wars movie is for kids. Nowhere in the movie does it say anything about those things you mention. Which is WHY it is for kids. It is a stand alone movie/TV series. A fresh start of a cartoon just for children without all the things that you mentioned. Thanks for helping me prove my point and agreeing with me.

  • Aug. 17, 2008, 10:22 a.m. CST

    Boogie Chillun you sound like Rick McCallum

    by half vader

    The challenge of a supposed "Kids' movie" (I repeat, this isn't a movie, it's 3 eps of the tv show they decided to stitch together at the last minute) is to be simple WITHOUT being simplistic. This fails. "Like something meant for TV" eh? Read up a few posts. <p> It patronises kids. Kids aren't morons, they're ignorant. And for the vast majority who don't understand what that word means, it means they don't have experience of something, NOT that they're stupid and can't understand unless they're being talked down to like idiots. Re-read your own line of argument, because it's not reading too much into it to say that by giving it a pass because it's at "kids' level", that the writers can write at 2nd-grade-level too. <p> I said it when Ep1 came out and I'll say it again. If you want to see how it's done, look at something like Babe. Dealt with some harsh stuff, had some fun stuff, never patronised anyone, and was so well crafted it was a true family film (which is not a euphemism for kids' film) that you could enjoy no matter what your age. <p> In Clone Wars we get robots that can't count along with a bunch of decapitated heads for no solid reason other than some shock value that didn't take kids in mind in any way shape or form. O.K., we already know the pidgeon droids are lame so there's a precedent there even if it is a lame, easy joke, but tell me how well those heads on a plate were handled? Where's the set-up or precedent for that in the show? Decapitation is a whole layer above shooting lasers at ech other and silly robots. Yet it's just tossed out there. <p> Watch old Thunderbirds tv show for '7-year-old level' stuff that shits all over this for quality of writing and direction. I mention that show because GL said it was an inspiration for Clone Wars. This show is to regular SW or even Tartakovski's show what the Tbirds movie was to the original show. I hope you don't have kids, with your "good enough for them" attitude. <p> BTW the original SW WAS made with a 12-year-old in mind. Lucas always said that. <p> EMERALDboy, that's supposition, not fact. Yes they're a bunch of yes-men, but don't gild the lilly/shamrock with the "doesn't consult" stuff. And from the way you write, either you believe that George writes the stuff or that the writers don't work for Lucasfilm. Or that they do create them, but he has nothing to do with them, but can delete them even though he has nothing to do with these same technicians. How can any of them mindlessly do what he wants if he never consults with them? And you said he knows nothing about technology (sort of ludicrous for the guy who will be more remembered for dragging the industry into the digital age than as a director), so how's he going to change anything or edit on that darned Final Cut suite? Or maybe Avid, as that's the son of editdroid which he sold Pixar to keep developing... Be a bit clearer in your intent mate. I know you're angry, and that's fair enough. But you're not helping yourself there.

  • Aug. 17, 2008, 10:37 a.m. CST

    My Neighbor Totoro understands kids a thousand times

    by half vader

    better than this did. Just because it's for young people doesn't mean you have to intentionally write with the skill of a 7-year-old. Virdon, saying "we are not supposed to get it" is ridiculous. And it has nothing to do with being silly or quirky, or funny... I like a story about girls that ride in a giant cat. I 'get' it. This show isn't silly, it's actually stupid, and inept. The average episode of "Ed, Edd and Eddy" has more chops, but it is also decipherable to an adult. You're making excuses too.

  • Aug. 17, 2008, 10:41 a.m. CST

    I saw my neighbour tortoro for the first time..

    by emeraldboy

    at my cousins studio in march. I loved it. absolutley loved it. what a great film.

  • Aug. 17, 2008, 10:53 a.m. CST

    Jonathan Hales co wrote the screenplay for

    by emeraldboy

    attack of the clones. What impact did he have on the screenplay. miminal. Its like the suspicion I have about indy 4. Screenplay was by david keopp and the story was by Lucas and Jeff Nathanson. What impact did they have on the screnplay. again minimal to non existent. Lucas is credited with writing the prequels and write them he did. the point i making is that nobody challenges him to mnake his work better. story wise. that is all.

  • Aug. 17, 2008, 11:30 a.m. CST

    We can agree on that (challenging him), Emeraldboy

    by half vader

    and that Totoro is fantastic. I can tell you that GL doesn't "hate" people though. He's polite and doesn't put on airs and my friend related how GL actually walked around him and a bunch of other crewmembers on the set, so he wasn't all 'make way for the king' or anything. He does want what he wants though. I think maybe what happened in the end was that he turned into his penny-pinching father. He wouldn't like to think that though I bet. I honestly don't think he's malicious though. Just as I don't think he's racist. We just all wish someone had the guts to say that Jar Jar's speech was a bad move, no matter how inadvertent. <p> Cheers.

  • Aug. 17, 2008, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Why Can't George just be like I want him to be?

    by palpeedude

    Serious! I love the original Series. Why can't he just be the same person he was in 1977? Why can't he just stay the same so he can just keep making the same movie I loved so much? Why don't these movies I am seeing now make me feel the same way the original trilogy made me feel? Why can't his material grow along with ME? Why can't every movie he makes from now on make me feel the same way I did when I was 11? I am 33 now, so why can't they make me feel that way again? Why? Why? Why? You whiny babies. If you would just look at Clone Wars like you would any other movie, and not bring with you all the expectation of something it barely ha any ties to. You might actually think the movie was fun. IS that so bad? A fun and NOT SERIOUS take on Star Wars? I"m sorry, but the battle droid goofiness was actually pretty funny, once you just relax and go to the movies to just enjoy yourself.

  • Aug. 17, 2008, 11:39 a.m. CST

    You know the ONE thing that was cool about Clone

    by half vader

    Wars for the "old" set? So much unmolested Ralph McQuarrie design. Stuff that was early dev that did make it to the movies, stuff that never did. It was a Ralph-fest, and suited the slavic puppet look of the characters. Good stuff. If you're young, the in-joke doesn't matter, but I'm sure they thought it looked good.

  • Aug. 17, 2008, 12:59 p.m. CST


    by medicinaluser

    Are Pixar movies not for kids and the fact Lucas is going for the brainless toddler vote without wanting to also give a product that would be entertaining to adults alike shows what he thinks of the older fans.This people is all about trying to hook in a new generation where all the old matters not one jot.Fuck Lucas and his Empire I wont even pirate this shit.

  • Aug. 17, 2008, 2:38 p.m. CST

    half vader...

    by emeraldboy

    Yeah I heard that he is very benevolent and does alot of work for charity. So that is cool. Lucas has changed the way we see and hear movies. I remember seeing captain Eeo and the technology blew my mind. I fucking loved the star wars ride. it was like a rush. at the end of baxters hack job of a book, thinking if you have that much money. why should you care about anything. A tip for george. You may want to consider doing what John Hughes did in the early nineties. When all your ideas are gone and the well has run dry. Buy a farm and retire. Hand over your company to a bunch of young filmmakers. have a competiton at UCLA. ie. time to hand over the reigns.

  • Aug. 17, 2008, 2:44 p.m. CST

    hafl vader...

    by emeraldboy

    lucas's response to anyone who didnt like Jar jar was and I quote" I created Jar jar and he is here to stay. If you dont like jar jar that is tough. If you dont like Jar jar, then you should go and see the matrix or something."

  • Aug. 17, 2008, 2:55 p.m. CST

    oh and this of topic...

    by emeraldboy

    Ronnie Drew founder of the legendary irish Folk group the dubliners died yesterday in a dublin hospital. He was 73. he had been battling Cancer. He is survived by his actor Son Phelim and his daughter Cliona. His wife of almost 46 years, derdire died in 2006 of cancer.

  • Aug. 17, 2008, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Ziro th Hutt

    by flopykitty

    Saw the movie yesterday with my 6 year old, thought it was okay, my son loved it. The best part of the movie is when my son pointed out that Ziro sound a whole helluva lot like Bubble Bass from Spongebob Squarepants cartoons.

  • Aug. 17, 2008, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Tropic thunder...

    by emeraldboy

    is the no one film in the US.

  • Aug. 17, 2008, 5:18 p.m. CST

    I thought TDK was Very Very Very Good...

    by emeraldboy

    however I had me quibbles. like the scene with the ferries was dragged out far too long. I thought Chris Nolan and his brother and David s Goyer tried to shoehorn in far too many sub plots into the movie at the end. What happened to the joker. Will they re-cast the joker, again? dont get me wrong, ledger was magnificent and the rest of the cast were great. Rachel Dawes was underwritten and what happened to her was tritely done. I am not going to say anymore. Who else was pissed off by the end of the film.

  • Aug. 17, 2008, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Why did they have to do what they did do

    by emeraldboy

    Harvey Dent? I mean. Why?

  • Aug. 17, 2008, 5:25 p.m. CST

    There will be sequels...

    by emeraldboy

    But I am not sure about a hulk like batman on the run film. That is what is cleary indicated....or hinted.....

  • Aug. 17, 2008, 5:48 p.m. CST

    medicinaluser: thanks for proving my point as well

    by Emperor_was_a_jerk

    medicinaluser: Thank you for also proving my point. Just by lacing your post with profanity, you have shown that THIS kind of Star Wars is not for you. There is absolutely nothing wrong with making a movie just for kids. Who says everything made has be be for everyone? I saw Old Country for Old Men and darn it- if it wasn't appropriate for my 7 year old. Should it be? You sound more upset that clone wars was not for YOU, but in the same breath you also concede that it was, in fact, made for kids. Weather you like it or not has no bearing at all. As for PIXAR, you are the one comparing it. Not me. PIXAR makes very good movies that both kids and adults can enjoy. But when it is all said and done, they are indeed children's movies. If you enjoy them as well then that's great. Glad for you (as a side note, I thought Cars, Ratatouille, and even WALL-E were very hard to watch at times. Even though the kids in the audience liked them). It is not the fault of Lucas that you don't like Clone Wars. It is your "fault" for not being a child.

  • Aug. 17, 2008, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Kinda liked it

    by Ripper99

    I am not a plant, or a fanboy. I just went, and because of the reviews on this site, prepared for the worst, but it was decent. It ain't the Godfather, but it probably on the same level as the animated 2D series. The action was pretty cool, decent animation, not Pixar level, but stylized, fast paced. Decent action cartoon flick. I don't get all the hate. It is basically 3 episodes of the tv show on a big screen. If I saw it on the Cartoon Network, I would've been entertained for a half an hour. Maybe people's expectations are too high these days?

  • Aug. 17, 2008, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Oh God, the "Movie in Your Head" argument

    by Chief Joseph

    Seriously, can M-O-M dust off any other whored-out apologist crap?<br> The "movies in the fans' heads" was created by the backstory laid out in the OT, which George for the most part screwed up.<br> Then he unfortunately realized a few of his screw-ups and tried to re-edit the OT to "fix" them.<br> That's why we'll now forever have Boba Fett saying, "What if he doesn't survive" in that lame-ass Kiwi accent.

  • Aug. 17, 2008, 8:30 p.m. CST

    You guys set my expectation SO LOW...

    by Voice O. Reason

    ...I couldn't help but be pleasantly surprised by it.

  • Aug. 18, 2008, 3:12 a.m. CST

    Clone Wars was just a very average Cartoon Network show on the b

    by Playkins

    It looked just OK, dialogue was just OK (if not bad in a saturday morning TV way), story was just OK.<P> I don't know what the reason was behind releasing it theatrically, but it was a bad move. Should've gone straight to TV.

  • Aug. 18, 2008, 3:32 a.m. CST

    boycot clone wars...i`m in!:)

    by muri71

    i´m a fan since the first star wars came out, but what HE MISTER LUCAS did with "phantom" was beyond good or bad, he blew it big time and so "attack" and "revenge" had good moments, but quiete not enough magic though just a lot of cgi! so "clone wars" is even not on my rent list! i make short movies/low budget movies myself, if anyone has a second, here a trailer of one of my movies! check it out, thx! <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value=""></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

  • Aug. 18, 2008, 3:34 a.m. CST is the link!

    by muri71

  • Aug. 18, 2008, 4:01 a.m. CST

    I'm sure if this had gone straight to TV...

    by Jedibobster

    Then there wouldn't be the hate thrown on this thing as there is. Because from what I saw there#s potential here for a very good animated Star Wars TV series indeed - for kids and adults alike. However, I was more than happy shelling out for a big screen debut to the TV series. And don't forget these were the first three or so episodes - so there'll be certain elements Lucasfilm would have wanted to include to get the ball rolling - the most interesting stuff will be to come.

  • Aug. 18, 2008, 4:13 a.m. CST


    by skynetbauxi

    saw this two nights ago, after a 15-hour-day of shooting for a STAR WARS fan movie... which was a coincidence, because I hadn't been actively involved in any STAR WARS fan activities for years... I had just agreed to help a friend with his fan movie shoot, and it happened to be on the same day that I went to see THE CLONE WARS... what I'm trying to say are two things: first, I'm not an active STAR WARS geek anymore, the STAR WARS movies are great, but there are many movies I prefer to them, so please don't take my "review" as coming from a total STAR WARS geek... and second, I saw THE CLONE WARS after a really long day of (fun) work, it started at 11 pm, and yet there wasn't a second of the movie when I felt tired or bored! it's just constant fun and action, and there are lots of ingenious little details and nods that may be easy to miss. also, I think this movie fits in perfectly with the "real" STAR WARS movies, and also with the cartoon CLONE WARS series. I was especially delighted to find out that the new movie/series doesn't replace or contradict the old show, but rather expands on it, with (so far) 100% continuity! when I got home afterwards, I popped in the CLONE WARS Volume 2 DVD, and I was excited to find out where the new THE CLONE WARS fits in. there's a margin of less than five minutes where it has to take place, because it has to be after Anakin gets his scar, but before the whole Palpatine kidnapping plot begins. I even have this theory how exactly it fits in... there's that scene in CLONE WARS where Anakin return to Padmé on Coruscant and we see him with his scar for the first time... he seems very sad (without explanation), and Padmé embraces him consolingly... now I think that the new THE CLONE WARS series takes place right before that scene, and that Anakin is so sad because his padawan Ahsoka has died (which will inevitably happen in the series, I think). well, anyway, as you can see THE CLONE WARS has sparked my STAR WARS geekness again, and I can't wait for the series to begin. and the reviewers on this site who hate it are simply full of poodoo.

  • Aug. 18, 2008, 6:25 a.m. CST

    R.I.P. STAR WARS 1977-1999

    by qball86

    That is all

  • Aug. 18, 2008, 6:44 a.m. CST

    Crap reviewing Crap

    by Maxwell Bishop

    Nothing like a crap ass site like AICN to review a crap ass movie like this new Clone Wars crap. A marriage made in hell. Ever see 2 girls, 1 cup? That's AICN and George Lucas crapping and eating out of the same cup.

  • Aug. 18, 2008, 7:31 a.m. CST

    Give those guys who edited the trailer an oscar

    by TimMighty

    ...seriously. The trailers where so promising..with the imperial march and everything. The movie itself....gee...they where serious with this ? The padawan chick didnt even walk right. Cheap. Snaps ?´f.

  • Aug. 18, 2008, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Coming up next...

    by Arteska

    Men in their 30's bitching about Star Wars coloring books. Seriously are you tools ever going to allow any single thing with the words Star Wars on it not be exclusively intended for you? No let's talk about how "serious" He Man always was underneath it all and how it's screaming for an auteur translation too. It's simultaneously one of the best years to be a genre movie fan and one of the worst times to be a member of fandom.

  • Aug. 18, 2008, 10:36 a.m. CST


    by whooooooop

    hey i'm back...yeah i'm totaly a plant... but i'm a plant trying to get people to hate the i'm suggesting NOT to go see it...NEVER watch the TV...i mean its obviously not something you'd enjoy...And ONCE AGAIN i only said that i really liked it... that certainly doesn't mean you have too...a lot of people like Golf, to me thats not so fun...

  • Aug. 18, 2008, 10:42 a.m. CST

    so now it's the TRAILER's fault...

    by skynetbauxi

    because it "promised" a movie that wasn't delivered to you? well, that's a whole new concept there, isn't it? trailers using music that won't actually be in the final movie, that's NEVER happened before, it's an outrage! come on, people... if you can't tell from a trailer whether the promoted movie is for you or not, you'll have to get over it and watch more movies, so that in the future you'll be able to tell...

  • Aug. 18, 2008, 10:49 a.m. CST


    by whooooooop

    Okay Personally i like ROTS better than TDK But check this: I was so excited for WALLE because i thought RATATOUILLE was THE BEST MOVIE EVER...i though RATATOUILLE was a better put together, more emotional movie than ANY star wars thing ever done...seriously that movie is PERFECT, it just worked...on so many levels. So i was dying for WALL-E. And it was great...i dont think anyone could argue that CLONE WARS was better made, acted, directed than WALL-E...but here's here the thing i saw walle once and want to see it again...But I'm MORE EXCITED to see the clone wars again first... of course its nothing compared to RATATOUILLE which to me is vastly superious to EMPIRE, ANH, ROTS....if you haven't seen RATATOUILLE see that before you see anything star wars related....

  • Aug. 18, 2008, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Lucas likes annoying us with stupid characters

    by mitortilla

    if star wars if for kids then Lucas must think kids are real stupid

  • Aug. 18, 2008, 2:48 p.m. CST

    DocPazuzu is right on about these Plants.

    by TooWhippy

    Who the fuck does this whooooooop jackass think he's fooling? I just don't understand how anybody could like this movie, I saw it for free last week and soooooo thankful I didn't have to pay for that kick in the balls. I'll say it again, Gary Kurts was right on about Lucas.

  • Aug. 18, 2008, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Can't WAIT for the series!

    by Sithdan

    If Clone Wars is any indication of what we're in store for in the weekly animated series, count me the fuck in!! That was one of the best animated shows I've ever seen.

  • Aug. 18, 2008, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Whoooooop vs Lucas' Daughter

    by Dick Bahls

    That big plant Whoooop wouldn't last 10 seconds in the ring with Lucas' daughter. If George wants to get any more of my money, that's about the only thing I'd buy a ticket to see that has his name anywhere attached to it.

  • Aug. 18, 2008, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Hey Whoooop:

    by Dick Bahls

    Your going from becoming a big plant to a big weed! Get lost, jackass!!!!

  • Aug. 18, 2008, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Dick Bahls

    by whooooooop

    I'm not a weed i'm a cactus...i think? what you didn't like Ratatouille? what movies do you like?

  • Aug. 18, 2008, 6:38 p.m. CST

    muri71: Nice try

    by Playkins

    Seriously, read some books on lighting and composition.

  • Aug. 19, 2008, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Clone wars sucked and Kung Fu Panda owns it Ballz

    by paulyd30

    Saw the orginal in 77 and sorry but this move sucked bad. My kids 9, 12 didnt really enjoy it either. They said they rather have seen Kung Fu Panda again becuse at least the bad guy got his ass kicked in the end. It was so lame and weak ass. OK you have got to me kidding me , how many characters do we have to introduce that are not in SW EPIII. This movie sucker punched me in the gut then kicked me in the balls. It was so weak. Obi Wan should have finished of the Lady Sith. I had rather watched episode I again at least the bad guy got sliced in half in that one.

  • Aug. 19, 2008, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Jar Jar

    by Dead Bothan

    I still can't grasp how Harry can defend such an appalling character. The movie has great stuff in it, but Jar Jar! I think Harry's lying to himself. I think he's defending Jar Jar to go against the grain. He is not honest with himself. Next week he'll be claiming he can auto-fellate (because he would like to, not because he can). I'm sure he WANTS to like Jar Jar, but look into your heart, man.

  • Aug. 20, 2008, 12:13 a.m. CST

    I've gotta see this motherf*cker at some point

    by slugbat

    Just for this Ziro the Hut gay bastard. This sounds like a Lucas-style Jar-Jar/MuttMonkey/Jake Lloyd "Are you an Angel???" cinematic abortion FOR THE AGES! <p> From what you guys have said, this fuck has the ability to shame all the previous lows in Lucas' post-grandkids, donut-addicted Special Edition making, artistically bankrupt era!! I mean, this guy sounds so ingloriously glorious, I want an ironical poster of him on my wall -- or at least use him as my FB profile pic or something. <p> I gotta lay off the meds.

  • Aug. 20, 2008, 12:18 a.m. CST

    It's supposed to be what it is....

    by stevethestarwarsfan

    George Lucas himself, said on a Yahoo! interview, "This is a movie for the kids to encourage there hopes and dreams and to do the right thing." This one is for the kids of a new generation of Star Wars fans. Thinks to remember. 1. This movie was not directed or made in anyway by George Lucas other then possible Script writing. 2. This like all things Star Wars is just another directors interpretation of the univers. 3. You are putting to much into the fact that it is another Star Wars fan, instead of realizing its a Star Wars Animated TV Show Pilot in theatre movie form, its good enough for a TV Pilot and DVD release but maybe not enough to capture the heart of a true Star Wars film. 5. Let's not forget that the beginning of the film can't be like the other SW films because it is not an actual Star Wars Episode. It is a buffer between Ep's II and III. 6. Appreciate it for what it is, instead of what it should be in your eyes. And remember that this one was published by Warner Bros and not Fox.

  • Aug. 20, 2008, 9:17 a.m. CST

    clone wars was cool

    by darthwaz1

    I love the serialized opening narration. the whole thing was fun, well-made and a welcome addition to the star wars universe. I actually preferred it to Genndy's clone wars since that was just a re-hash of the brilliant and amazing Samurai Jack done with star wars characters. Everything Harry hated, I liked. Jabba's uncle, Anakin's padawan, it was all good. The scenes with Dooku talking to Jabba were my favorite. Maybe I just have bad taste, who knows. Even though I grew up with the original star wars movies, I did also love the phantom menace...

  • Aug. 20, 2008, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Go easy on Whoooop, because he's in reality...

    by blue meanie

    ...Stephen Sansweet, the biggest plant-for-hire dick-suck that Jabba Lucas has ever enlisted into his retard kiss-ass army. You and Rick McCallum are the ultimate butt buddies for Jabba Lucas. Bend over, baby!

  • Aug. 20, 2008, 1:30 p.m. CST


    by whooooooop

    Kung Fu Panda WAS awsome, yeah it was probably a better movie than clone wars, but i gotta say i still really enjoyed clone wars.... it really kicked some serious jar jar ASS! BTW who is Stephan Sansweet? You gotta remember that the kids in the audience were screaming...but thast only becuase the theather was ON fire.....

  • Aug. 20, 2008, 1:34 p.m. CST

    and oh yeah

    by whooooooop

    if i was a plant i'd be one for Pixar....or Possibly the makers of BIOSHOCK.

  • Aug. 20, 2008, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Fuck this. I will never see this abortion.

    by Second Try

    If some kids like it, so what? Kids like some pretty awful shit, like Pokemon and stuff.

  • Aug. 20, 2008, 5:13 p.m. CST

    I caught a preview for this at SIGGRAPH

    by Johnno

    I got there 20 mins late unfortunately because my bus didn't show up for 1 freaking hour!!! But anyway I don't know about you hardcore SW fanboys, but I thought it was pretty cool for something that's probably aiming to be a Saturday morning cartoon series, plenty of action that's for sure and while the whole robot intelligence thing doesn't make sense it was rather funny...

  • Aug. 20, 2008, 8:21 p.m. CST

    did we see the same movie?!?!?

    by j2talk

    I just saw The Clone Wars for the 3rd time (online this time, just take a look around you'll find it) and I still don't get the hate....Perhaps it is just easier for people to hate the project, but my guess its simply people who haven't see the movie and/or are pissed because it doesn't cater to what they wanted it to certainly is nowhere as bad as any of the reviews i have seen..I'll be glad when the regularly scheduled cartoon shows up so I can get a continued dose of NEW Star Wars.....

  • Aug. 20, 2008, 8:21 p.m. CST

    did we see the same movie?!?!?

    by j2talk

    I just saw The Clone Wars for the 3rd time (online this time, just take a look around you'll find it) and I still don't get the hate....Perhaps it is just easier for people to hate the project, but my guess its simply people who haven't see the movie and/or are pissed because it doesn't cater to what they wanted it to certainly is nowhere as bad as any of the reviews i have seen..I'll be glad when the regularly scheduled cartoon shows up so I can get a continued dose of NEW Star Wars.....

  • Aug. 20, 2008, 8:49 p.m. CST

    Go With Reeeally Low Expectations...

    by Six Demon Bag

    Went with my son and to be honest, it wasn't the end of the world.

  • Aug. 21, 2008, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Harry has gone to the Dark Side.

    by vfrederic

    Wow Harry, I guess you really had a pickle up your ass when you saw this movie. I just saw it and thank God I didn't read this review before hand. Yes the beginning without the openning crawl was kind of strange but after that I was right into it. First of all the CG looked absolutely gorgeous. It took the cartoon to the next level. The action was just epic and dwarfed the Clone Wars of Ep II. I liked Anakin's padawan and I LOVED the new music. This movie was fun and any Star Wars fan should enjoy it. Harry, unpack those vacuum sealed action figures and be a kid again. This was a good prologue to the TV Series. Now I can't wait for the show.

  • Aug. 22, 2008, 7:27 a.m. CST

    sometimes I wonder are harry's "film reviews"

    by emeraldboy

    a kind of therapy. Is he seeing a shrink of some kind or did he at one point. Long ago did this shrink say if youre feeling pissed off harry go and see films that will make you very angry. so He goes and sees films that piss him off. likewise he sees films that make him happy or sad. he likes the films that make him happy and he praises those to the hilt. films that make him sad he loades them up with his own personal history or emotional baggage. I am just wondering. The films that piss him off get taken apart in much the same that meat is ripped into chunks. and fed to the lions ie those who hate lucas or hollywood in general. or ratner.

  • Aug. 22, 2008, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't

    by Emperor_was_a_jerk

    I am glad it was so different. If Clone Wars was just like the Six live-action movies, people would complain Lucas is churning out the same ol' thing. If Lucas made an animated show/movie featuring the OT characters like everyone is saying he should do, people would complain he is either "destroying their childhood" or rehashing the same thing over and over. So things are shaken up a bit and now its TOO different. Jeeze! Plus, complaints about no opening crawl, no Fox logo, different music are really picky, full-on geek things to be upset about. You all DO know that most people who watch the live action movies on DVD fast-forward through the crawl, and people in the theaters don't sit through the credits and don't even care about the music. I for one, am glad it was so different. I look at it as EU and don't want it to resemble the other movies too much.

  • Aug. 22, 2008, 5:51 p.m. CST

    fucking brilliant !

    by Keith Maniac

    Just wanted to chime in and thank Harry et al for such crappy, totally unbiased, *cough EMBARGO cough* reviews for this movie. It helped keep any over expectations i had under control and consequently i really enjoyed it.

  • Aug. 22, 2008, 6:41 p.m. CST


    by Prossor

    no you be a kid again. while youre at it eat a big steaming bowl of dick.

  • Aug. 22, 2008, 6:55 p.m. CST

    I liked it and loved part of it!

    by PoorMrBook

    The first half hour was kickass action, fun, spaceships, aliens and Jedi. Everything I loved about Star Wars as a kid. The Jabba's kid hour was fun but slightly less so. This is a cartoon aimed at kids, for goodness sake! Of course the Jawas and robots will provide comic relief. This was better than I expected, better than Episode I and as good as II. I now look forward to the TV series.

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 5:03 a.m. CST

    Don't blame Filoni

    by cartoon_monsoon

    Yes, it was awful in a lot of ways. Annoying characters and terrible dialogue. Take what was annoying about the prequels and turn it up to 11. But do you really think that when George Lucas says to the animation world, "Hey, I want someone to help me make a new TV show" that anyone OTHER than Lucas is going to be the real show runner? And besides, this IS targeted at 8 year olds. However, I think that the biggest problem we all have, and what is a great miscalculation on Mr. Lucas' part, is that just because it's aimed at kids doesn't mean it has to insult your intelligence. I can't blame Filoni for that. He perhaps has a say in the writing, but for TV, there's a big crew of writers with George, I'm sure, at the head. As an animation director, when you get a bad script, there is only so much you can do about it. And suppose you have to tell the Emperor he has no clothes? Do you turn to George Lucas and say, "Ummmm, this sucks, sir"? I suppose you might say it's part of your job, but who has the final say? And what about what is good about this film? I personally loved the art direction. Yeah, the animation was wooden sometimes, especially the face animation, but it was done overseas in Singapore on a TV budget. For the most part, the shots were great, the character design, models, textures, and backgrounds looked really cool. That is all the responsibility of an animation director. When you get a bad script, what do you do? What is your job? You shine that turd best you can. And I thought this was one beautiful turd. I can't defend it beyond that, but I feel that Dave Filoni is getting reamed for something that was probably beyond his control, and isn't getting credit for what was great about it, which he deserves. I hope that the writing does get better, that there are better story arcs, and that for crying out loud that the characters and dialogue don't insult our intelligence in the most annoying ways possible. And bring back the Force!! I can never believe that disciples of the Force would ever be so ill-behaved, bitchy, and precocious. It can be fun, and for kids, but please, George et al, make it SMART! 'Nuff said!!

  • Aug. 24, 2008, 7:31 a.m. CST

    Clone Wars falls to #7 this weekend, and makes only 1.5 mil on F

    by romanocc

    Wow this movie is bombing faster then Gigli, as it made only 1.5 million on Friday night, and will probably make only about 4-5 million this weekend to bring it to an awful gross so far of about 24 million. George Lucas was asked before the movie came out what he predicted in terms of box office, "I would be satisfied if the movie did 100 million domestically." This movie won't even make 40 million, and I don't care about the negative reviews or the internet, this has the name SW on it, and it has been critic proof for eternity, and finally fans like myself smartened up and didn't waste our time with this crap. You want me to see a movie with Stinky the Hutt in it? Lucas went after the little kiddies and the Prequel Fanboys, and the movie didn't make shit, as he continues to give the middle finger to the real fans, the Original (77-83) fans who just want a descent DVD set of the ones where Han shoots first. The backlash has begun in SW-land, and until Lucas respects the base that gave him his ranch, we are not wasting money on anything with a GFFA on it anymore.

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 3:18 p.m. CST

    my problem

    by slkboxrman

    with clone wars was when the padawan arrived and said "master skywalker" was to be her master....i may be mistaken but doesnt this take place btween episodes 2 and 3 ? anakin was a padawan still in 3, and the council rejected giving him the title in episode 3, so how could he be a master before episode 3,when he wasnt a master at all in episode 3.....that where it jumped the shark for me ....

  • Aug. 25, 2008, 9:59 p.m. CST

    It's not so bad, some bits are even pretty good

    by JabbaPapa

    LOL this old handle of mine takes on new meaning hehe :P .... I dunno, I just can't agree with Harry that this doesn't "feel" like Star Wars. Watered down SW sure ; John Williams-less SW sure (and yes that does hurt, although I actually liked the new musical themes, although they could have been better edited) -- but unlike virtually any other spin-offs I've ever looked at, it feels like real Star Wars. ... The Ahsoka character really saves the soul of this new creation : I mean, does anyone give credit to Lucas for introducing a character at the age Anakin should have had in TPM ?? This time, the mix of youth and maturity actually feels right (which doesn't mean you have to like the character if you don't want to, fanboy !!). The story is weaker and the thematic content less interesting than the films, and things do feel a little stretched as they tend to in TV. The film is also sadly lacking the experimental elements of Star Wars, at least I think so -- this was just a first viewing. But it's fun, the humour isn't so heavy as in pure Lucas, and I think the animation does actually work -- particularly the spaceships and droids. I missed some of the formulaic elements of Star Wars, like the Fox opening, the opening crawl, and a less hurried opening sequence. The end also felt slightly hurried -- but clearly this is because it's adapted from several 30-minute sequences not originally designed for a feature of this length. I'm at once relieved and annoyed that this does in fact appear to be a sequel of sorts to the original Clone Wars toon. There were some things in that other version that I liked, but overall the action scenes in that were over the top and unbelievable (with some great exceptions), which really ruined any liking I might otherwise have had for it. Also, the original one was so plot-weak, it makes this new one feel like something by Dickens in comparison ! My relief stems from the fact that the new series won't be repeating those really quite shitty stories ; my annoyance from (for example) the fact that the Ventress character wasn't really even introduced or explained, which feels sloppy, and weakens her far more than just the change in the voice actress. Then again, we all know that Lucas' greatest weakness as a writer is his difficulty in coming up with a good start (the opening of Star Wars Ep. 4 is I think a fluke), and this one is no exception -- I'm fairly sure that the future episodic nature of the new series will be a cure for that after the TV episode 1 has come and gone. Do I want to know what happens next ? Oh yeah, but I admit I'd also be happy if more feature films came out of this project, to be either a trilogy or tetralogy of Clone Wars films that one could watch without having to sit through the entire TV series -- cos there are bound to be some real stinkers during the course of the show. Of course, it feels pretty clear to me that this spin-off is based on ideas that Lucas must have had when writing Episodes I-III, and which I would far rather have seen in those films than in this cartoon. I wish that the Clones had first Attacked in Episode I, and that Episode II had focussed on the Clone Wars. But my childhood is long past, and Lucas hasn't raped it. No matter what you idiots think about your own childhoods LOL --- Anyway, back to your scheduled Lucas-bashing...

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 5:32 p.m. CST

    My Advice for Lucas

    by JohnBigtoe

    Release the originals on DVD (not the piss poor transfer you threw the fans a couple of years back). I want John Wintergreen's voice back as Boba Fett. Get rid of the lame Kiwi accent. I want Sebastian Shaw to be put back into the ending of Jedi I want all the shitty CGI "improvements" removed. I want Han to shoot first. I want it in 1080p with crystal clear sound and anamorphic wide- screen.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 5:53 p.m. CST

    I've never seen so many plants before

    by Rufferto

    I'd say at this point they are wasting their time. My advice is try to be a little more subtle next time and not so blatant. You know, like not bombarding a talk back with one positive comment after the next.

  • Aug. 26, 2008, 10:58 p.m. CST

    My advice to lucas

    by floatybrownthing

    Give up. You've proven continually since 1996 that you sir, are a hack. you've taken a giant shit all over the trilogy, in *fact* you god damned awful piece of shit, if you want to see how you *should* have done the special edition, go here: and check out the special edition section. Clone wars though, was bile. complete, unadulterated bile; so much bile that when you consider I paid for tickets for all the star wars including the shit-tastic prequels, the ONLY way my friends could get me to see this flying turd was to have a friend who works at the local screens wave me in. Oh. And Christopher Lee. You're a fucking hack too. Die soon please.

  • Aug. 27, 2008, 1:14 p.m. CST

    I'm actually surprised

    by floatybrownthing

    That harry isn't gargling man mayo to get his hands on more lucasfilm merchandise. mmm...harry loves him some lucas mayo.

  • Aug. 27, 2008, 8:59 p.m. CST

    The TRUE Emperor has no clothes

    by SpockWheat

    It continues to be gratifying, this affirmation that all those left who still appreciate the bantha poodoo offerings of George Luca$ are merely the hopeless zombie zealots, the cavalier filmgoers, the lowbrow action junkies, and ignorant children. The discerning sci-fi/fantasy fans understand quality, and accept nothing less. Luca$ is not the same person who possessed that innocent and pure vision so long ago, so far away, being bolstered by the genius of so many collaborators. None of us is the same person from decades past. Granted. But magic is transcendent, and spans generations. Perceptions may change, but cop-out excuses cannot disguise Luca$' disdain for his own creation, as well as for its legions of devotees, those who made him rich, and yet to whom he shamelessly does not feel beholden. A true writer/director does not refrain from practicing and honing the craft he loves for twenty-plus years. No, Luca$' heart was in greedily constructing his vast empire, fawning accolades, and technical achievements, not at all in cinematic creativity. He remains the most prominent and successful independent filmmaker, a revolutionary giant that has secured his mark in history. It's just too bad that it cost him a measure of his sanity, and he carelessly flushed the precious spirit of what was truly special about STAR WARS down his gold-plated toilet. He did the same thing with Indiana Jones.

  • Aug. 30, 2008, 4:59 a.m. CST

    Too bad for Harry

    by Kommandok

    Ain't gonna buy that $200 Millenium Falcon now? Awwwww... Save your money or donate it to starving kids in..wherever.

  • Aug. 30, 2008, 10:30 p.m. CST

    Tried watching the Prequels this weekend...

    by romanocc

    Because of the 3-day weekend, and all the SW talk lately because of the latest movie release, I thought I would dig out my SW Prequel DVD's and give them another look, and see if they had any replay value after all these years. UGH!!! TPM felt like a foreign SW movie to me that was so disconnected to the OT, I literaly felt like I was reading an EU novel. The ironic thing is I actually felt bad for Jar Jar watching this movie again, cause he is the least of the problems yet he takes so much blame. The movie just moves like molasses, and the only great part of the movie is the QuiGon/Kenobi/Maul fight as that does still kick ass. AOTC was worse then I remember, as I actually was a fan of this in 2002. Anakin is more and more unlikeable and Padme is so bland you just don't have anyone to root for in these movies except Kenobi, but he is not the star of these movies as it is really about Anakin. ROTS is still the most interesting PT movie cause it IS the story we all waited for, but it is executed so poorly is probably the worst made of the PT movies (The turn, the battle droids voices, Padme losing the will to live, Vader saying NOOOO, The Emperor acting like The Joker from Batman '89) It is like a Cheesy SW B-Movie that actually turned out that way!!! All in all, the PT is a mess that has a few great moments, some really good moments, but the majority are average to bad moments that just take you out of the movie. It is SW, and I am a SW diehard, so I can always be interested in anything that happens in a GFFA, but that doesn't mean I think it will be good. The OT has that replay value, it has the great characters you care about, it has the great villains, it has the great drama, and it just works as a trilogy even though Lucas was making it up on the fly, as the PT feels totally disjointed even though Lucas knew he was making a trilogy from the start! The EU stuff doesn't bother me, the Clone Wars TV show/movie doesn't bother me cause they are stuff that doesn't impact the movies. But I often wonder now if Lucas hadn't made the PT and didn't release the SE how much he would still be a god to many fans. I used to think he was a god, now I just think he was in his prime til about 1983. Oh well, I felt I owed it to Lucas and Star Wars to give these PT movies another shot, but as Kenobi said in 1977, "Move along."

  • Sept. 2, 2008, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Orcus ; Romanocc

    by Mr Gorilla

    Orcus you are right - if there was a function to play it with just music and title cards, these films would be brilliant. Romanocc, you are right too, but let's just be amazed that lightening struck twice with episodes 4 and 5. 6 is as bad as the prequel trilogy. Personally, I like 3 as it was a genuinely intense experience in the cinema, and I will always remember that.

  • Sept. 2, 2008, 1:50 p.m. CST

    IT'S A KID'S FILM!!!!!

    by Thall_Joben

    And it's great.

  • Sept. 3, 2008, 6:34 a.m. CST


    by Stevie•E

    I for one am grateful for this movie. It allowed me to take my 5 year old son to the cinema and let him experience Star Wars on the big screen. As I did when i was 5. OK... modern Star Wars HAS lost its wide-eye wonder and and got bogged down in political plot lines that hinder any real flowing energy. My son loves the original trilogy but gets bored with Episodes I-II. (III is too gritty for him at the moment). This movie is simple enough for him to understand and punchy enough to keep him glued to the big screen. I even forgive the over MTV 'Sky-Guy' slang vernacular. But until Star Wars hits the big screen again in 3D. This will be my son's Star Wars experience. He loved it! Simple Truth. The movie is not a cultural definer as Star Wars was but it does work.

  • Sept. 6, 2008, 2:17 p.m. CST

    It wasn't that bad at all

    by Trazadone

    Jesus, talk about histrionics! This was a non-stop action movie (really good action at times) with a subplot geared towards kids. Jabba's kid is in it for like 4 seconds and the rest of the film is ground battles, air battles, and space battles. I took a group of 8-year olds to it for a birthday party and they all loved it. Lucas has stated all along that this one was for kids and he delivered. The amount of time you spend spewing undeserved venom towards this is baffling. What the hell did you want? Harry, you're in your 30s now. This was a Star Wars cartoon geared towards kids. Why not go write a 10,000 word essay on why you hated the Care Bear Movie.

  • Sept. 8, 2008, 5:22 p.m. CST


    by secretcylon

    Saw it with my kids, kept waiting for it to suck. Never happened. I feel like Harry got it wrong when he gave positive reviews the prequels so he decided to slam this one (At least subconsciously). Nothing in the is nearly as annoying as Jar Jar. I actually liked Anakin in this and the dynamic between him and Ashoka worked whereas the Anakin/Obi-Wan relationship always seems forced. As far as the visuals, what failed as live action really worked as animation, things actually seemed BIG again as opposed to the prequels where all the scales feel reduced. The baby hut is silly but really doesn't occupy much time. Jabba sounds like Jabba again, my kids where actually scared by some of the lightsaber battles (They where never scared during the prequels, not even during Sith). Although it's not as good as Genndy's work, this project feels very well intentioned and undeserving of the super harsh response it's been getting. It feels more like Star Wars than the prequels did.

  • Sept. 9, 2008, 9:46 a.m. CST


    by orcus


  • Jan. 3, 2009, 8:17 a.m. CST

    Kids don't know any better

    by the_scream

    That's why they'd like this. Doesn't mean the film is good. There are plenty of kids movies that not only appeal to kids but are actually well made too. I'm sick of films getting a free pass from people just because it kept their kids quiet for a few minutes. That's why so many kids movies are lacking in creativity and originality. What would they know right?? Wrong.

  • Jan. 5, 2009, 8:28 a.m. CST

    Spoken like someone who has no kids.^

    by orcus

    Kids are smarter than you think. Once they are 7 and above they can articulate better on what worked for them (or not) in the movie. Orcus took his Orcling and it had a blast. For Orcus it was eh, the music was off and the intro sounded like something from the superfriends. The tranny Hutt was a bit much though

  • Aug. 26, 2009, 10:04 p.m. CST

    I loved it!!!!!

    by starwarsfreak100

    I grew up with the original trilogy and there my favs and I loved the prequels and I loved the clone wars, I don't hate anything Star Wars!!!

  • Aug. 27, 2009, 8:42 a.m. CST

    It had a good premise

    by orcus

    But the acting got in the way. ROTS was superior though