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NBC Issues Official Descriptions Of The First Two Hours Of HEROES’ Third Season!!

I am – Hercules!!
Here’s a crazy thing! The first hour of “Heroes’” third season screened at Comic Con -- but nobody wrote in with a review that told us if it was any good or not! Attendees did send in spoilers for the first hour, which can be found in invisotext elsewhere in this post. Note that George Takei turns up in the first hour, William Katt and “The Wire’s” Andre Royo apprear in hour two, and Malcolm McDowell and Bruce Boxleitner are in both. And it looks like we’ll be seeing a less of Micah and his cousin Monica this season.
EPISODE 301 “THE SECOND COMING” – Sept. 22 “VOLUME 3: VILLAINS” MAKES A TWO-HOUR SPECIAL DEBUT WITH REVELATIONS THAT WILL REDEFINE FAMILIAR CHARACTERS AND SHAKE THE SERIES TO ITS CORE -- The first chapter of “Volume 3: Villains” kicks off moments after shots rang out, as the shocking identity of Nathan’s (Adrian Pasdar) assassin and the reasons why the Texas press conference had to be cut short are revealed -- immediately throwing Peter (Milo Ventimiglia) and Matt (Greg Grunberg) into unexpected, uncharted territory. With his powers partially restored, Sylar (Zachary Quinto) decides a visit to Claire (Hayden Panettiere) could give him a boost. Meanwhile, in Tokyo, Hiro (Masi Oka) and Ando (James Kyson Lee) are charged with safeguarding a family secret that could split the planet apart, and discover that the path to a grim future starts with shady speedster, Daphne (guest star Brea Grant). In New York City, thanks to Maya (Dania Ramirez), Suresh (Sendhil Ramamurthy) makes a startling breakthrough that could change the world -- or just destroy his. And who is Tracy Strauss? Ali Larter, Cristine Rose and Jack Coleman star. Noah Gray-Cabey, Ashley Crow, Randall Bentley, Jimmy Jean-Louis, George Takei, Malcolm McDowell, Carlon Jeffery, Jamie Hector, Bruce Boxleitner, Francis Capra and Blake Shields guest star.
EPISODE 302 “THE BUTTERFLY EFFECT” – Sept. 22 A DOZEN VILLAINS WITH UNIMAGINABLE POWER ARE UNLEASHED AFTER THE COMPANY IS ATTACKED -- SYLAR VS. ELLE (KRISTEN BELL) -- ANGELA PETRELLI (CRISTINE ROSE) TAKES CONTROL AND REVEALS A JAW-DROPPING SECRET -- WRITTEN BY CREATOR TIM KRING AND DIRECTED BY EXECUTIVE PRODUCER GREG BEEMAN -- In the shocking second chapter of “Volume 3: Villains,” Angela (Cristine Rose) clashes with her much-changed son, Peter (Milo Ventimiglia), over how best to avert a seemingly inevitable worldwide catastrophe. First, Sylar (Zachary Quinto) declares war on the Company by attacking their main facility, and finds even more than he bargained for on Level 5. During a devastating battle with Elle (guest star Kristen Bell), a dozen savage criminals -- all with terrible abilities -- escape. Meanwhile, Claire (Hayden Panettiere) discovers something new and unexpected about her abilities. Determined to reclaim his family’s terrible secret, Hiro (Masi Oka) and Ando (James Kyson Lee) track Daphne (guest star Brea Grant) to Paris. After a fateful night, Suresh (Sendhil Ramamurthy) is thrilled to find his research, his life and his relationship with Maya (Dania Ramirez) evolving in leaps and bounds. Stuck in unfamiliar territory, Matt (Greg Grunberg) finds a guide (guest star Ntare Mwine) to help him. Ali Larter, Adrian Pasdar and Jack Coleman star. Ashley Crow, Jessalyn Gilsig, Malcolm McDowell, Stephen Tobolowsky, Bruce Boxleitner, Francis Capra, Blake Shields, William Katt, Ken Lally, David H. Lawrence XVII, Andre Royo and Kiko Ellsworth guest star.
* Nathan was shot by FuturePeter. * Nathan survives, has a vision and now believes he's an angel. * Matt, having discovered that Peter shot Nathan, is transported by Peter to the middle of the Sahara. * Sylar removes Claire's skullcap and steals her invulnerability. She survives, of course. * Syler is repulsed by Claire's suggestion that he eats brains. * Suresh develops a serum that gives anyone superpowers (just like what happened in "The 4400"!). He makes himself super-strong. * Hiro, now CEO of Yamagato Industries, finds a formula in his dad's safe that is promptly stolen by the new superspeedy villainess. * Hiro travels to the future, where he sees FutureAndo attack FutureHiro with lightning-lad powers. * Noah rots in stir. * Jessinikki is mistress to a governor. The Comic Con panel:

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  • Aug. 14, 2008, 6:54 p.m. CST

    they showed this at comicon

    by gavdiggity

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 6:55 p.m. CST

    They showed this at Comicon

    by gavdiggity

    I may actually give this show another shot.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Goddamn it

    by gavdiggity

    sorry about the double post. I MEANT to say <P> There was enough stuff going on in this episode that makes me think this season will be worth a look.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 7:10 p.m. CST

    Getting back to season 1 form!

    by bigbaldpapa

    I am excited for this. Can't wait!

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 7:15 p.m. CST


    by fiester

    I don't think they're gonna recover. Be surprised if they do.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Sorry... it's been too long

    by Mr.Meanie

    And that goes for BSG, 24 and all the other previously "must see" shows. Dick around with your audience and you will lose them.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 7:31 p.m. CST

    "Dick around with your audience"?

    by critch

    24 and Heroes all have been off the air a standard season. 24 airs without commercial repeats so there's always going to be a 28 week break, and you're getting a 2 hour movie in November anyway...And nobody that makes BSG has anything to do with the schedule. The only one being a dick is you.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 7:33 p.m. CST

    let the whining begin...

    by Executor

    blah blah blah blah sucks blah blah no one is going to watch blah blah blah blah lost is better blah blah blah blah no one is going to watch lost blah blah blah kristin bell is hot blah blah blah suresh sucks blah blah blah journeyman was better blah blah blah nbc sucks blah blah blah heroes sucks blah blah i won't watch no wait i will, every week, and comment on how much it sucks blah blah blah blah blah blah!!!!!!<p>I, for one, am looking forward to it. Except for the idiot talkbacks.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 7:39 p.m. CST

    so it seems,

    by imascooby1985

    Sylar will be killing Elle in episode two, eh?

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 7:51 p.m. CST


    by Mr.Meanie

    So 24 has only been off the air a "standard season"? When was the last episode aired? Yeah, I'll wait for your apology. <p> <p> Also, I wasn't specifically talking about the creators of BSG. It's the Scifi channel that really screwed the show over...

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 8:04 p.m. CST


    by KCViking

    Thought Elle was going to be in five episodes,so,maybe she'll last longer than you think.<p>Pennsy is the supreme authority on all things concerning Ms Bell,but,I believe she'll be around after ep.2

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 8:04 p.m. CST

    sounds better than the mess that was season 2 (and half of S1)

    by Novaman5000

    Lets hope they actually do something interesting this year.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 8:05 p.m. CST

    I'm fine with longer gaps between seasons

    by INWOsuxRED

    most all of HBO's shows have longer breaks and usually shorter seasons. Lost seems to benefit from the odd schedule as well. Dr. Who is practically taking an entire year off while they are making a number of big changes that should benefit that show tremendously. I'll watch a show I like no matter when it is on. I'd much rather watch the Extras series finale movie than a season worth of According to Jim that airs like clockwork on ABC. I'd rather a show like Heroes get its shit together for as long as it takes to put the appropriate stories together, to get the casting right, to make sure they either build sets or find locations that work (a huge problem in season 2) and leave time for fitting effects to fit with and enhance the story (see season 1 finale).

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 8:06 p.m. CST

    where my peeps at!!

    by BadMrWonka

    it's almost Heroes time again! better than Peanut Butter Jelly time! better than A Stitch in Time! better than a spinning license plate that says OUTATIME!!<p>Heroes time!!!!<p>holler at the proverbial boy!

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Uh, 24's been off a "standard season"?

    by IAmJack'sUserID

    Since when is a standard season over a year? If you care to educate yourself, you'll see that 24 typically airs from January to May, and the last episode aired in May...of last year. <p></p> Heroes, while not guilty of the same scheduling snafus, is just as guilty of sloppy writing as the last season of 24 as far as Season 2. It's very bad when a show plummets in quality so drastically after only it's 1st season. <p></p> I don't think holding shows accountable for quality is being a dick, or at least it isn't as dickish as you for busting on a guy for his legitimate opinion.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 8:09 p.m. CST


    by Pennsy

    How's that? ;)

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 8:09 p.m. CST

    by KCViking

    Did they show 1 hour or 2 hours at Comic-Con? I wasn't there but thats what I understood(1 hour)<p>I assume we'll find out about Papa Petrelli in ep 2.Although it would be pretty funny to find out Hiro is the son of Mama P.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 8:10 p.m. CST

    Nope, KB's episode count is still stuck at 5.

    by Pennsy

    With little or no chance of any more than that. :(

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 8:14 p.m. CST

    Will not read Invisotext

    by chrth

    Damn you Herc with your tasty temptations

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 8:17 p.m. CST


    by KCViking

    I'm a relative newbie here @ aicn so I'll just say hey nice to meet ya.<p>Maybe one day I'll be one of your "peeps".

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 8:17 p.m. CST


    by The Funketeer

    Is Andre Royo joining the cast or just making a guest appearance?

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 8:20 p.m. CST

    Matt and his 'desert guide' seem to be a homage...

    by Pennsy

    To Buffy and the First Slayer, in a roundabout way. <p> I think a well-placed call to BSG In-House Visual Effects would do wonders for Heroes; BSG, despite their budget limitations, can deliver, to this day, movie-quality VFX.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 8:24 p.m. CST

    Heroes season 2 finale....

    by IAmJack'sUserID

    Looks like it had a budget of about $3. They don't even show Nathan flying anymore. We get a POV shot of feet flying towards the ground, and then we see them waist up "hit" the ground. Awful. And the compound that housed the virus looked like it too was suffering from budget problems. I think I counted maybe 3 guards, and they all seemed to be fresh from redshirt training.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Can William Katt's character fly?

    by bah


  • Aug. 14, 2008, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Katt Williams is in this!?

    by Banzai Rootskibango

    What the hell?

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 8:49 p.m. CST

    I love Official Descriptions!

    by MeshGearFoxx

    Bless your heart

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 8:50 p.m. CST


    by BadMrWonka

    all you gotta do is watch Heroes every week and obsess over it...and not makes passes at Ororoe when she shows up...<p>also, if you hear "Damn you Wonka!!" it's actually a term of endearment, so no worries.<p>welcome to the game, sir!

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 8:51 p.m. CST


    by BadMrWonka

    what talkback was it that you posted a youtube vid that kinda showed claire and the electric bitch? (not using bitch to mean "woman"...she acutally was a bitch)<p>did we ever find out more about that, if it was really the two of them?

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 9:02 p.m. CST

    Why I don't get excited about this show anymore

    by tbransonlives

    Really good(even great)the first 21 episodes and garbage pretty much ever since that season one finale. Some parts of episodes of season 2 were good, but never was there a good or great episode.<p> What would I like to see? Kill Micah(for real kill too, no magic Claire blood.) That kid is an awful actor. I cringe whenever he has a line and it's not just the actor, the character is awful too. Killing him would show that main characters can die and give a revenge driven Jessica something to do.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 9:04 p.m. CST

    I dunno, mind is coming up blank.

    by Pennsy

    And the Haitian Sensation, eraser of memories, is nowheres to be found.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 9:07 p.m. CST

    I wrote about how "meh" I was about it Herc!

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    Just in the talkbacks... let me see if I can find it...

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 9:09 p.m. CST

    Damn You, Wonka!

    by Max Powered

    Man, that feels good to say again! How's the left coast? <p>This season has good energy, so far...hopefully enough people will come back after being disappointed last season. I hope.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 9:16 p.m. CST

    I just sent you, Herc, and email with what I wrote...

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    So it's up to you if you publish it!

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Oops, "an email"

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    Doh! Playing Madden and talkbacking isn't quite so easy I guess...

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 9:24 p.m. CST

    That sounds easy enough...

    by KCViking

    Thanks.<p>Oh and by the way.....Damn You, Wonka!

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 9:59 p.m. CST

    am actually getting excited about this

    by Bloo

    I know I was hard on Heros last season and probably praised my LOST a little bit too much (wish I didn't have to wait till Dec to watch that on Dec) anyways am anxiously awaiting S2 on DVD just to revisit it, it may hold up better with lowered expections and S3

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 10:01 p.m. CST

    hmm no one from comicon wrote in and said how great it was?

    by Mr_X

    bodes well

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 10:02 p.m. CST

    oh and...

    by Bloo

    Damn You Wonka

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 10:04 p.m. CST

    Hector is playing Benjamin Knox, one of the bigger bads

    by Pennsy

    of this coming season. He'll have a lot more screen time than Royo, I think.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Permit me a rant on the brevity of Kristen's story arc...

    by Pennsy

    If I could. The story of actually getting her back on the show was slightly longer than Iran jerking around the West on its nuke program. Consider: <p> 1. On 2/27, Mike Ausiello of TVGuide (back then) reports she's not under contract for season 3;<p> 2. Bell lands the lead role for 'When in Rome';<p> 3. Negotiations drag on for ONE THIRD OF A YEAR with no resolution as to even IF she'd be back on Heroes;<p> 4. confirms on July 15 that Bell is finally inked to a contract - for just 5 episodes. <p> All throughout this process, K-Bell wanted to come back to the show. But when push came to shove, it seems the feeling wasn't mutual enough with management. She pretty much salvaged season 2 for me, and I think a few others here. Offer her a blank check if you have to, but don't let her walk away after that short a time. <p> And don't even get me started on her being left off the Heroes ComicCon panel.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 10:20 p.m. CST

    Bless you, Pennsy

    by Max Powered

    You constantly bring a lot of heart to an otherwise heartless talkbalk. <p> That's not bullshit, either. Your dedication is endearing, and not in a creepy way. It actually is very sweet, and serves as a reminder that we're not ALL a bunch of sycophants. Stay cool, P.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Bye-bye, Elle...hello, Dazzler??

    by Pennsy

    My comic geek deficiencies are now exposed here, since I didn't know about her until I looked up Wikipedia. Bell supposedly is gung-ho to play her in a possible movie version of the X-Men character. Here's the URL:

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 10:39 p.m. CST

    Of course, Tricia Helfer and Jessica Biel were possible

    by Pennsy

    Alison Blaires, too.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 10:47 p.m. CST

    Thanks, MaxPowered...most appreciated.

    by Pennsy

    I'm just a guy with few vices and exceptional choice of quality actresses to root for. :)

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:10 p.m. CST


    by jedimast3r

    Showing that this will be exactly like Season 1/2. Why the fuck can't this show - in all its comic-stealing mediocrity - steal the cool ideas, like, all the "Heroes" getting together to whoop some ass? This show has been officially blacklisted on my DVR for better time investments.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:16 p.m. CST


    by Bloo

    I feel your pain for K-Bell brother, I feel the same way about Eric Roberts all to short and way of going out in season 1, I enjoyed the char. and hated the way he went out<P>I wonder if the producers actually regret that seeing his turn in The Dark Knight, they could have marketed the crap out of that

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Heroes Can Suck It

    by Crow3711

    And so can KBell, the only reason to watch this nonsense.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:36 p.m. CST

    You forgot a MAJOR spoiler!

    by aceattorney

    Spoiler alert - Linderman LIVES! He saved Nathan after Peter shot him.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 11:58 p.m. CST

    is it possible at this late date

    by Xiphos_2

    To swap out the Telenovela chick for Echo girl? At least Echo HAS a discernable and useful power. Black tears a' la The X Files and whinning in two languages is not a super power.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:50 a.m. CST

    My fear is that they will use Dark Knight as inspiration...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    And that they won't use the inspiration well. Nolan's Batman universe sticks with an as realistic as possible approach to depicting Batman. I'm concerned that NBC will see this as a creative approach that the producers of Heroes should try in Season 3 -- mainly in order to save money on special effects.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:02 a.m. CST

    I saw it at Comic Con

    by Lukecash

    And it was a good episode. Fast pace, lots of shit happened. Lots of weird shit happened that you didn't expect. But lt's not at the "Great 1st Season" level of episodes-but a heck of a lot better than the 2nd season episodes.<p> I loved it myself. And if they can keep this level of coolness up..great!

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:17 a.m. CST

    its on youtube and it sucks

    by bacci40

    the direction sucks...the script sucks...the acting sucks...and this is coming from someone who defended this series right up till the telenovella twins got on my nerves...

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:20 a.m. CST

    Holy Crap!!

    by gotilk

    I think Suresh found promycin!

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:23 a.m. CST

    I'm Trying Hard to Care

    by Akira Cowabunga

    Oops! I tried too hard and crapped my pants. Still don't care, though, and now I have crappy pants.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:24 a.m. CST

    Lukecash is Tim Kring!

    by Akira Cowabunga

    He's here praising his own show! How sad!

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:37 a.m. CST

    Pennsy - not this again!

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Everything I've heard suggests that KB is going to be on the show for a while this season. Heck, she was filming recently on the set, as your videos show.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:38 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    She wasn't on the Comic-Con Panel because she's not a regular. Regulars aren't on the panel. Hence Cristine Rose being on it this year, and not last year. Ultimately, KB plays a recurring character whose awesome - but can pop in and out of the show without damaging it.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:40 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Oh, so the directing sucks? Could it be that the guy taking the video is shooting it AN AN IMPOSSIBLE ANGLE? Bitch about the writing, but it's an out of focus fan-vid; it's impossible to tell how good the direction is.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:43 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Well, logically if all the Heroes got together then we'd all bitch that they were too powerful as a group... and then someone would complain about the lack of special effects.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:52 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Chances are the people who enjoyed (and a lot did, judging by other sites) didn't send reviews in because they didn't want your 'witty asides' underneath their reviews, questioning whether it was that good.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 2:04 a.m. CST

    Not happy about the "mask" Copycat being reduced in the story...

    by wowsah156

    but i am looking forward to a very vicious and sick fight between Elle and Sylar. I am hoping Elle doesnt get killed she is a very good character with a twisted outlook on life. I could see Elle being Sylar's hunter if allowed to develop.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 2:05 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    If you mean Monica, she'll be around. Trust me. She's just not a regular anymore.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 2:52 a.m. CST

    The Greatest American Hero

    by deanbarry

    In Heroes? Now that is so poetic. Down here in OZ, we are getting season three "fast tracked" to our network, right after the olympics, which is better than waiting a friggen year to get new eps of our fave shows and seeing spoilers all over the net. Also, season one and two getting the Blu-Ray treatment. Yowser..i'm gonna cream!

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 2:54 a.m. CST

    Veronica Mars is Sexy drturing

    by deanbarry

    that's why!

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 3:47 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    I've read Watchmen... and I still like Heroes. Who gives a crap if they have similarities?

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 4:24 a.m. CST

    maybe this season will be great

    by Rupee88


  • Aug. 15, 2008, 5:06 a.m. CST

    Mr. Zeddemore...the direction was bad

    by bacci40

    cuz the acting sucked...i love arkush, but he has absolutely no feel for this...his episodes were always the most over the top...ya, the vid was hard to watch...but i was cringing at the way the lines were being delivered...i had high hopes for the series after the first season...i thought that kring understood that he was creating a comic book for tv...maybe he will surprise me...but i doubt i am 100 percent sure that the quality of the first season was due to fuller...who not only understands geek culture, but thrives in it

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 5:09 a.m. CST

    drturing,,,if that is what you thought

    by bacci40

    then bell did a brilliant job at portraying her role...if you wanna see her in her sexiest role...check out her arc in bell drop dead schwing sexy? nope...what she is is cute as a button...the kind of gal you can take home to mom...who then will give you a nasty bj in the backseat of your car

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 5:12 a.m. CST

    This is still on?

    by jimmy rabbitte

    ...kinda surprised no one said it yet.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 7 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    100% due to Fuller? S1 was a team effort. I'm not saying the show didn't miss Fuller (1x17 was a jaw-droppingly good ep of TV), but to imply that he was the only one keeping S1 steady is insane.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 7:01 a.m. CST

    jimmy rabbitte

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Eh, the Lost-fans are still jerking off over another cryptic pseudo-informative Comic-Con video.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 7:50 a.m. CST

    Let's start placing bets...

    by Kid Z

    ... on how many episodes into the 3rd season before this piece-of-crap show gets canned. (I'm going with "3")

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 8:03 a.m. CST

    Kid Z

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Just... wow! I'm speechless by how insanely incoherent your post is. They're a good nine eps ahead of us in shooting, and probably 11 in writing - and the ratings would have to fall below 2 million for them to even consider cancellation. And that's not happening in S3, period!

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 8:03 a.m. CST

    Sound FRIGGIN' good.

    by HewligansHaircut

    Well i gotta say, the description of the first 2 episodes, and the invotext makes it sound like it's going to rock... The second half of Series 2 picked up.. If they keep that going, I reckon by the end of this series, we are going to be raving big time about Heroes again... I'm on board. Can't wait to see this again

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 8:11 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Aye. I've repeatedly said I loved S2, but what I've seen of S3 suggests that they are going to come out guns ablazing.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 8:18 a.m. CST

    I agree

    by HewligansHaircut

    I really hope so.. I don't get the bad press it got. Sure, the first few episodes did plod (ancient Japan - was cool for 1 episode but no more)... But by the end, it was rockin.... It's the usual thing with forum talkbackers... Yadda Yadda yadda - gotta moan about something.... I'm sure some of these people who slate Heroes are the kind of people who sit at home watching dwarf porn whilst whacking off with a sock full of play dough!! ;)

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 8:41 a.m. CST

    That's the thing...

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    I can relate to them, but the early eps were about building things up so that when they hit a big point it wouldn't feel abrupt. Now some stuff didn't work at all (cough - MAYA - cough), but I'd rather see the show try and do stuff like that as opposed to not taking any chances.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 8:43 a.m. CST

    Dazzler seems a kick-ass good gal...or a Sylar-esque villain

    by Pennsy

    If turned to the dark side. From Wikipedia: “The field operates in a similar fashion as the process that creates a laser and apparently has the same efficiency as a laser (99.9%). The released energy is far greater than the incoming kinetic energy and therefore must involve another, unknown energy source as well. Left undirected, Dazzler's light will radiate from her body in all directions, producing regular flashes of white light. By conscious control over the light she produces, she can control its direction, frequency, amplitude and duration. <p> “Apparently, Dazzler must consciously or subconsciously will the light to leave her body. Otherwise, light would "leak" from her at all times, even when she was asleep or unconscious. Dazzler can produce numerous effects with the light she converts from sonic vibrations. She can simply cause a bright glow all about her body. She can create very simple patterns out of rays of light like circles, squares, triangles, and stars, or even certain combinations of patterns which produce trance-like effects in her targets. She can also make a shrouding fog consisting of pure light. With effort, she can even create holograms of human beings and other three-dimensional beings and objects. She can create a pulse of light on the order of several thousand watts of power, which temporarily blinds people with its brilliance. She can create a chaotic cascade of sparkling lights and colors that severely upsets other people's equilibrium, or a pulsating strobe-light effect. By concentrating, Dazzler can generate a coherent beam of light, approximating a laser beam, with which she can cut through virtually anything. <p> “Her training with the X-Men, especially with Cyclops, has taught her how to produce such laser-like beams with much less effort than it previously required of her. She generally directs the laser from a single finger when she requires precision in its use, since pointing aids her in defining its direction. However, she can also direct laser blasts from both hands at once when she wishes, as well as from her eyes, for example, to demolish a large structure. She most often uses her hands for directing her light effects, but she could also use other parts of her body. <p> “Since studying with the X-Men, she has become adept at directing her blinding strobe light blast from her eyes. Dazzler has also learned how to create a protective force field about herself with laser light that can deflect or vaporize oncoming projectiles. The most powerful manifestation of her abilities is a concentrated beam of solid photons she usually fires from her right index finger. The beam is extremely powerful and as a consequence uses a great deal of her energy reserves. She has since learned how to produce these blasts without draining herself, while still providing them with considerable power. She has also recently shown the ability to form her photon emissions into solid constructs, such as swords and staffs. Dazzler's potential to convert sound to light is unlimited. Curiously, she cannot use her own unamplified voice as a source of sound for her conversion abilities. Dazzler's body, especially her eyes, shields itself against any injurious effects of her light conversion abilities and against those of bright lights in general. Her ability to convert sound also protects her from being deafened by loud noises. <p> “Alison's body can store light energy for future discharge on occasional instances of extreme duress. She has been shown to create a "null space" of sound in a certain radius of her person, as a result of "pulling" the sound in her area to her person, to either protect a crowd of people or to supercharge her power reserves...she occasionally wears a pair of roller blades which magnetically adhere to her boots; she can use the skates to move at high speed.” <p> Nice.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 8:46 a.m. CST

    crossing fingers....

    by just pillow talk

    Hoping that shit actually happens this year.<p>Please?

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 8:49 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    I'm hoping for Nathan to turn into a Cyclops like character who starts leading the Heroes; and, well, the fanboy side wants to see him have a fight scene using his flight.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 8:54 a.m. CST

    Heroes blows

    by Luscious.868

    The first season was great. Season two sucked donkey balls. I could care less about Season 3. Lost wins by default. Lost's worse season was heads and tails better than Heroes Season 2.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 9:01 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Then please, kindly, sod off to a Lost TB, and let people who want to watch Heroes debate it.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 9:13 a.m. CST

    Kristen Bell?

    by cripeman

    I didn't even know who she was and she saved last season for me. <p> She acted like how someone would really act if they had cool powers. <p> It is a superhero show and dead heros don't stay dead...

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 9:19 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Those who have died and haven't come back to life - Isaac... Thompson... Simone... D.L... Charles Deveaux... Charlie... Ted Sprague... Alejandro... Kaito... Victoria... Eden... Linderman - they've all died, and save for flashbacks have stayed dead. So I don't get this 'the dead don't stay dead' logic. Sure some characters do come back, but it's hardly like every single character has died and been ressurected.

  • Crow3711 is our latest winner. Diss K-Bell, enjoy 2007-08's worst new show. A fair tradeoff, yes? ;)

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 9:45 a.m. CST


    by cripeman

    It's one of comics gimmicks. The dead don't stay dead. <p> If they want them to...they could come back. <p> Every single one of them.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 9:59 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Yes, but unless they actually physically come back from the dead (i.e. not in a flashback, hallucination, vision or nightmare), it doesn't count as a ressurection.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 10 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    I think KB will return for the last five eps of S3. Thoughts?

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Mr. Zedd

    by just pillow talk

    K Bell is in episode 2 per above. So the question is, will she be in the next immediate one, the aftermath of the breakout, and then the tailend of the season, or will there be sporadic 'K-bell helpings' thrown around during the season?

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 10:42 a.m. CST

    K Bell

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    I know she's in three eps, but they're spread about. She could be in more eps, less eps, she might have signed a contract extension for the future... who knows?

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 10:55 a.m. CST

    JPT beat me to it...

    by Pennsy

    The seemingly agreed number of episodes this season with KB as a guest star, from various media outlets, is 5. By any measure, from any angle, it's just not enough. What's done is done, though. Although I do reserve the right to create if it looks like she'll be a can to Sylar's can opener. :|

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 11:15 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    Yeah, she was on set a few weeks ago. There's footage of her. And judging by who she's with, I don't think they're going to be killing her off outright.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Scarecrow is in this show!?

    by Alkeoholic77

    Bruce Boxleitner?! Oh shit! I'm there!

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Lost vs Heroes, PS3 vs Wii

    by Alex Wilder

    Really... why? Why is it that if you like one show, you have to bag on the other? What is the purpose? What is your goal? After the damn disappointing second season, I'm looking forward to these reboots.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 12:53 p.m. CST


    by Alex Wilder

    PS3 vs Wii seemed out of place, but the point I was trying to make is that fanboy loyalty just makes no sense to me. What's the point of hoping for the demise of another show. Did Heroes/Lost showrunners tell you to pick a side?

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Can't they get better writers?

    by SamuelJackson1

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:23 p.m. CST

    The talkbacks here are a marvellous indication...

    by The Rabbit Of Carrot Shaped Doom

    ..of the decreased lack of faith in this show. I remember reading those talkbacks in the first season, long before I had a handle here, and they were immense! People were posting on them almost every other minute, they stretched out to hundreds of posts, and there would be people speculating what would happen next; what certain things meant and how very much they were enjoying the show.<p>Here in the third season, the talkbacks are probably 10% of the size which they once were and attract very little attention. It's extremely sad to see such a thing but unfortunately justified in view of the decreasing quality.<p>My ratings for Heroes would go:<p>First half of the first season - four carrots<p>Second half of the first season - three carrots<p>Second season - two carrots

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:25 p.m. CST


    by SamuelJackson1

    I was going to say that what's stopping them from bring fresh talent that know how to write episodes? I have high hopes for season 3 but imagine how much better this series would be if instead of Tim Kring or Jeph Loeb as producers/writers They brought back (which would be impossible now because of pushing daisies) Bryan Fuller and Brought in Brian K. Vaughn (which is another wish that could go unfulfilled due to LOST and other big stuff he's working on)

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Bring in Paul Dini

    by Alex Wilder

    He's had television experience with Batman:TAS and Lost, and since Heroes is superheroes, he seems like a perfect fit for Heroes.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:43 p.m. CST

    christ i was redundant

    by Alex Wilder

    in that last post. sorry.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 1:58 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    If S1 ended with 1x11, would you have been satisfied? No. So why does S2 get a bad rep? They used exactly the same template - first half sets up a problem, second half pays it off. They just had to wrap up the virtus story early.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 2:05 p.m. CST

    S1 - zeddemore

    by Alex Wilder

    Even if the second season was incomplete, the episodes leading up to the midseason finale were crap. You're defending the second season harder than Kring, who already admitted it wasn't a good season.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Course I'm defending it.

    by Mr. Zeddemore

    It was good. Granted that's my POV and based on the fact that I was happy with the slow-burn (and the S1 finale), but 2x09? 2x10? Those are two of the best Heroes eps. Not saying that they're as good as 1x17 or 1x20, but they were excellent eps. And yeah, they had problems, but no more than S1 did... or did you chaps forget Niki, DL and Micah being absent from the arc till 1x21... or Hiro's sword quest... or how the early S1 eps were patchy?

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 4:01 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Zeddemore

    McDowell is involved in an interesting way... and more villains for our heroes is good.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Alex Wilder

    by Bloo

    I've been crying for Paul Dini for a year now do a search and in almost every Heros talkback I've said bring in Dini<P>I'd love to see him as the main showrunner with McCorkle and Shonney get out of their deal with Paramount/Nick (they're the guys that did Kim Possible and Sky High for Disney) to handle all of Claire and/or Hiro's stuff

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Well anyway... the new episode was not good.

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    They showed the last online episode which of course was complete garbage. So horribly written. But alright, <p> the first problem with the season is the opposite problem with last season. Whereas 2 moved too slow, this is moving way too fast. Any sort of development of characters and story went so quickly it just seemed stupid and cheesy. </p> <p> Another problem, again I guess related to the speed of the pace, was the acting. If you rush everything, you give the actors shitty lines, and they WILL say those lines as good as they can get, which equals garbage. The only really good line was Sylar's eating brain's comment. </p> <p> Another obvious mistake was bringing back Ali Larter, and even Nathan Patrelli. If no one dies, there is absolutely NO fear and no dread. </p> <p> It was retarded of future-Peter to put present-Peter in a cell next to Claire's dad, but I guess that will lead to them breaking out. Besides, if Peter was so powerful, why couldn't he just use his powers to escape? </p> <p> What else... Oh, the Hiro stuff in the office sucked balls. How lame do you have to get: "I don't want to just sit here and wait for my destiny!" *knock on door* Someone hands Hiro a package. "He says this package is a message from my father, and it is my destiny!" </p> <p> I also was offended that the ENTIRE panel was one big commercial for Heroes as opposed to being an actual panel where we get to actually talk to them, but I guess the elevator can be blamed for that... </p> <p> Also the Mohinder and Maya stuff. Their artificially manifested romance. Their horrible back and forths. Maya is such a terrible character, still. Maybe it's just the writing... </p> <p> Oh, and when Hiro meets the Flash-Girl, the fact that AGAIN he just gets punched in the face and meanders off, when we just spent an entire season with him in the past learning to become a samurai, you'd think he'd learn a thing or two about fighting. At least when someone says "you're going to be on the floor" You'd think he'd realize that he's about to get his dumb-ass knocked out. Which is exactly what happened. I mean, fucking hell. </p> <p> What is lame about the Mohinder plot is that he really gets it so easily. "Oh my god, I've magically figured out how to give everyone powers after basically no time spent on trial and error. How cool will it be to have telepathy or super-strength or whatever!" "Don't you realize there are many evil people and powers out there, essay??" "Well I'll spend a brief second debating whether to throw the syringe into the sea!" Of course, he doesn't, and injects himself, and then some muggers come and try to take his money and his watch while Mohinder's on the ground recovering from the shock. And suddenly he has super-strength. I think it would have been much more interesting if he had some evil power just like Maya predicted he would get. That way there could be some conflict for him, wondering just what to do with the drug. But yeah, I didn't think it played well at all, and the special effect of him throwing one of the muggers was pretty poor. I guess the fact the he faces zero conflict over the potential for good for the drug that will lead to future Ando and many others getting powers. And I can only assume that Nathan Petrelli, with the whole "Angel" thing, will see this as a threat and want to fight it. How can they be the chosen ones if everyone can have a power? Jeez, I can already see the horrible direction this season is going to take. </p> <p> And Hiro's story line is just so damn absurd. Hiro just got lectured by his father about not playing God all the time, and what does he do? Opens the safe, just like his father told him not to, and decides that he can't go to the past to stop himself from opening the case, but he can go to the future where we see yet ANOTHER apocalyptic future. </p>

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 5:12 p.m. CST

    I'm suddenly interested...

    by LynchPin

    and excited because William Katt will be on the show. greatest american hero was the first show i ever loved. Can wait to see this!

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 5:18 p.m. CST

    Brand new promo not on YouTube yet - "Better than ever."

    by Pennsy

    Watch it here (hat tip: Heroes France. Unlike Alain 'I will smash Michael Phelps' Bernard, these French folks are actually ahead of the curve more than they're not on Heroes news: <p>

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 5:33 p.m. CST


    by Alex Wilder

    It's just sad because the producers don't get it. The story really begs for a talented comic book writer (not jeph loeb) with experience in television. There needs to be a "Heroes needs Dini" campaign or something.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 5:49 p.m. CST

    I agree Alex

    by Bloo

    the show is there, but you can easily tell that Kring has no real experience in comic books and is relaying on Loeb who is inconsistent as a writer, for every The Long Halloween there is some Batman/Superman crossover that sucks<P>imagine, if you will, Dini as the head showrunner, Geoff Johns on Peter's story, and the Kim Possible/Sky High guys on Hiro's and Simone on Claire's (or vice versa) with an F/X length season (12 or so eps, one storyline)

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Sounds terrible

    by Homer Sexual

    Sylar...yawn...I don't think you can keep an audience with the same villain continually fighting the same heroes. Very uninteresting. And, of course, so much focus on Peter Petrelli...demanded by no one. "sigh" I guess the people saying "Heroes" is ready to stick a fork in are right after all.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 7:33 p.m. CST

    Same shit, different season

    by TheKappa

    Sylar as the villain again? Conflict coming in the form of a vision of the future? More people that should be dead back from the grave? <br> This season is going to suck barrels of dick- and HAS sucked dick since the gawd awful first season finale. Hell, Kring didn't even have a show bible until before this season. I give this four episodes before I quit this $#it for good.

  • Aug. 15, 2008, 9:40 p.m. CST


    by filmstu2005

    Seriously, the season hasn't even started yet and like 5 of the guys above me are already whining and bitching and complaining...and they havent even seen any footage yet! They don't even know what's going to happen and already say it sucks. I thought S1 was pretty awesome, except for that awful Season 1 finale. Season 2 was garbage with some exciting moments. But zero suspense. I want Season 3 to be good, but who knows? Brian Fuller should come back b/c Loeb and Kring have no idea what they're doing. And the writers don't either. BTW, Sylar isnt even the villain this season. If you knew anything about the show and read the spoilers, he actually becomes the GOOD GUY. So please do all of us a favor, stop whining and just STFU and wait for the damn show to come back on! Either that, or dont watch at all. Damn. Id like to see more of Monica in the final storyline. How come there's no love for the black people? The black chic Simone got shot, DL the only black man who was a sterotype got shot everytime he came on screen, and now they're doing away with Monica who has a cool power. I pray this season is at least entertaining. Season 2 was flat-out garbage.

  • That's a mark of a terrific actress, I think. When somebody who has no preconceptions one way or the other about a performer makes that kind of impact. I tip my cap to ya, cripeman.

  • Aug. 16, 2008, 4:44 a.m. CST


    by billypilgrimisunstuck

    Coming from a person who had to sit through the travesty that was the season 3 premier, i can 100 percent, without any reservations, confirm that it was a steaming pile of monkey shit. every aspect about it was just horrendous; the acting, dialogue, even the cinematography and direction was sub-par. Stay clear everybody. This is made for 12 year olds.

  • Aug. 16, 2008, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Bloo....add jms and you have a classic

    by bacci40

    jms, johns and dini could indeed turn heroes around...too bad it wont happen

  • Aug. 16, 2008, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Mr. Zeddemore....fuller brought geek sensibilities

    by bacci40

    something that kring doesnt was fuller who pushed the issue to have the trek tie-in and made sure that takeii had an important role...wanna tell me the point of having nichelle nichols on the show was? she had what...2 minutes of screen time total? everything that was good about season one is all fuller...he leaves and the magic left kring goes back with his original ideas...lets make the show socially relevent...lets make weak ass commentary on nola and illegal immigration...i dont care if the characters i introduce are doofy, i wanna make these commentaries...season 2 had no meandered all over the place...kring has surrounded himself with a writing staff that are indebted to him for their livelihood....thereby making sure that there isnt anyone who will, you cant do this...and this is why i dont hold out much hope for season 3...maybe the kids will get wood from watching a few cgi enhanced fights, but this show couldve been so much more...i almost guarantee that this will be the final season of heroes

  • Aug. 16, 2008, 6:01 p.m. CST


    by filmstu2005

    Okay, that much I can agree. If anyone saw the heroes original pilot, it was pretty bad. I saw part of the Season 3 premiere, and it was really lame how Suresh Mohinder SUDDENLY understood the whole concept of the genetic mutation of the meta-humans so easily just like that after Maya did the black oil eyes thing. Yet he wasted like what, 2 seasons trying to figure that shit out, and experimenting on other "mutants." Lame plot hole. Things happening too fast. Can't they find a decent balance? Don't move too slow, and obviously you should move too fast. But i guess thats tolerable for the Season Premiere. We just have to give it a chance. Cant be worse than Season 2

  • Aug. 16, 2008, 9:44 p.m. CST


    by Brian

    i've been suckered. i've been suckered into watching this new season. i'm a man. i can admit it when i'm totally fucking hoodwinked into watching a show based solely on the hype machine. i'm so there.

  • Aug. 17, 2008, 4:02 p.m. CST

    *sharpens his knives*

    by VegasRon

    Let the butchering commence...

  • Aug. 18, 2008, 3:27 a.m. CST

    I should really start watching The Wire

    by BurgerKing

  • Aug. 18, 2008, 3:27 a.m. CST

    and less of this show

    by BurgerKing

  • Aug. 18, 2008, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Micah and his cousin.....

    by karmakitten13

    ....should both bite it. I agree with tbransonlives -- whack him and watch Jessica go apeshit. DO us all a favor.

  • Aug. 18, 2008, 3:56 p.m. CST


    by Mullah Omar

    The two are a classic combo - you have the brain and the brawn, the tech guy and the action girl. At the very least, it's good to see at least TWO of the heroes on the show actually cooperating to do super shit. There are too many solo acts on HEROES. <br> <br> I remain cautiously optimistic about where this season will go. It's interesting to read a complaint that the show is moving too fast now. You know, I think I am more amenable to that flaw, because one of my big complaints about much of the previous seasons is that they spent far too much time on the origins and not nearly enough on actual heroics. Give us some action for a change. <br> <br> And Linderman - I know I hate the "come back to life for free" card getting played all the time on this show, but that's a character I actually WANT to see more of. <br> <br> Still no idea why Nikkijessica remains on the show. She is like a high concept gone awry and not properly implemented, and she is the obvious "one of these things is not like the other" that should get dropped to focus the show.