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THE IRON GIANT review
I was in the midst of writing my review of
TARZAN in my hotel room at the Universal Sheraton
when the phone rang. The red light flashed, and my
hand darted to the receiver.
It was.... Moriarty.
“Pitiful soul,” he called me, “I have decided to
bestow mercy upon your thick hide.”
Being the intelligent master of verbal dueling I
said, “Uh huh”
“Harry, there will be a driver outside your hotel
in 5 minutes. He is to take you to a place you dare
not speak of. Once there, walk through the double
doors, go into the women’s restroom. Knock 3 times
on the center mirror and then stand with your arms to
your side.”
I remember being especially spooked by this, so I
just answered with a threatening, “Uh huh.”
I did as I was told, and I found myself surrounded
by minions and underlings. Bizarre and twisted, foul
and fiendish. This was obviously the staging grounds
from whence Moriarty would set out to rule the
world. And there... in the center of it all was the
white haired rotund one. Three piece suit, monocle
and gold chained watch intact.
He whispered, “Pula Farrell,” into my right ear
and I awoke in a theater. My arms were at my side
and... a flicker of light came from behind me.
What happened next stilled my beating heart. It
was... THE IRON GIANT.
Now, we’ve seen a lot written about THE IRON
GIANT here at AICN, and I had a great deal of trust
in the man known as Moriarty.
He was speaking of this as a Great film. A
classic. A film devoid of dating. A movie made for
all times and all generations. Superlatives became his
only writing ability. And when he talked verbally of
the film with me he had a giggle... like he knew
something that he could never fully explain to me...
he’d simply have to show me.
I was not alone in this theater. Somehow
Copernicus was there. Last I had heard he was in
West Texas observing the collisions of galaxies. And
his Agent Scully was with him. And... Bless my soul
it was Orson Welles. He was there too.
Each of us had our own row, and ya know. I’m
glad. I needed that distance, I needed my bubble...
because me and my whole universe disappeared into
THE IRON GIANT.
This is the first film I have seen that has honestly
learned everything you should take from E.T.... but
then improved on every single point. You see, in
E.T. That little alien was wise, he knew what harm
was, he knew what an ‘Ouch’ meant. Here... In this
film, Elliot aka Hogarth becomes the teacher... Not
just of words, but of ideals, dreams, right and wrongs.
And it works. It really works.
The Steven Spielberg that made E.T. has been
abducted for the last 18 years. Where did he go?
What happened to him? Well... Here in Brad Bird I
see him. And, he’s improved.
Watching this film I saw something Fresh. And
that’s a bit remarkable nowadays. But then it scared
me.
Why? Well, because I have almost zero faith in
Warner Brothers as a marketing company. Watching
their trailer, then watching the film, I realized that they
completely do not understand what it is they have.
Right now the movie is being pitched as a
cartoon. It’s being pitched as something fun for the
kids. And ya know what? Kids are gonna eat this
film up... But the market for this movie is soooooooo much larger
than that.
The one thing I kept wishing while I sat in that
auditorium was that my father was there. Dad is 54
years old. And while watching this film I got the idea
that Hogarth was not only a great character, but he’s
how I imagine my father must have been as a kid.
He read Mad Magazine, Spirit and Superman.
He went off into the woods to have adventures. He
stayed up late at night to watch movies like FIEND
WITHOUT A FACE or THE BRAIN FROM
PLANET AROUS. He had a cigar box filled with
survival items he would need when the A-Bomb
inevitably hit San Antonio. He had to practice the
“duck and cover” drill in school.
He went out and captured rattlesnakes, raccoons,
squirrels, etc. Well... You know, I’ve only heard
tales about my father as a kid. Stories he used to relate
to me when I was a kid... To help me see that the
problems I was having were not unique or new... but
rather age old problems that plague each new
generation.
And you know what? This is a film that opens up
that dialogue. It made me want to talk to my dad
about growing up in this era. And ya know... I did...
It’s great.
The characters in the movie are a beatnik junk metal artist with a cool goatee,
Hogarth is the precocious kid, Chip Mansley a government man
obsessed with the RED SCARE and Nuclear War, a
reactionary general, a paranoid populace and lastly a
gun that doesn’t want to be a gun anymore... The Iron
Giant.
This movie has soul, and so does every character
that lives in this universe. The kid is smart in a very
realistic ‘kid’ way. The mother is the exasperated
single parent who is working the waittress gig, getting
very tired, and hasn’t enough energy to wrangle little
Hogarth.
This is the sort of film that you take over major
telecommunication firms and then place one gigantic
phone call to everyone in the world to alert them of
this movie.
This is a film to discover. One that you don’t go
to because it’s a ‘Must See’ movie, but one you go to
cause someone said, “You need to see IRON
GIANT.” They stare you in the eye, their voice is
sincere... and that strange ‘I have seen something you
need to see’ look is there upon their brow.
I don’t know what to do about my TARZAN
review now... it vexes me. I really enjoyed the film, I
had a blast with it... but to see a movie... and
animated film that doesn’t have characters created
strictly to pander to one group or another. To see a
film that betters it’s live action counterparts. To see
Brad Bird create a perfect story with the perfect
amount of heart and earnestness... Well... Ya know...
It makes me look at TARZAN and HERCULES and
MULAN and HUNCHBACK and POCAHONTAS...
and it makes me wonder what these films could have
been had a corporation not been involved.
They might have been as heartfelt and honest as
THE IRON GIANT. Perhaps they could have had the
cross-generational appeal that I felt with this movie. And perhaps they would
not have felt so much a part of the time in which they
were made.
IRON GIANT is timeless. It’s a film that adults
can watch and feel like they aren’t “doing time” with
their kids.
It is a film with a very strong message about harm
and violence... And in the world we exist in today...
It’s nice to see a film take a hard look at the soul of
someone behind the trigger. It’s a message that
should reach every person in this country.
Go see this movie. See it, and make your friends
go... Folks... be prepared to be disarmed by this
movie. You will find yourself enthralled and time
will disappear. This isn’t a film about the latest
‘tricks’ of the trade... Or the latest hot ‘voice’. It isn’t
about a gimmick. It’s about storytelling, and folks...
it just doesn’t get better than this.
What a wonderfully magical night. Afterwards,
Moriarty had to get his print back to those within the
NRG that had to test the film on Tuesday. We can’t
interrupt the screening process can we?
A note about the state of the film. It didn’t have
the final score, and a few parts here and there were
still pencil animation. But in this rough state it had
all the magic in the world. Oh... Kamen, write a
classic please... the material deserves your best.
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Good review! How About telling us a little more about the movie, and the premise, if its possible without spoiling it......Maybe its already been done here on the site....?
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Going to see this one. Going to see ths one. Going to see this one. Heard too much about it not to. I'm dragging my movie geek buds to it. I saw the movie poster in USA Today. It looked cool, but I agree with Harry - I'm not sure if the approach is right to sell this movie. Maybe they should do it like October Sky - come out and say This is the Family Movie of the year, accent on Family. I don't mind family films if the family they make the movie for isn't a bunch of inbred morons.
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i also was crazy about this film before the trailer and the similarity to et got into me. now i am back on the iron giant bandwagon and going to wait for this impatiently. 5 years ago when i was in primary school my teachr read this book to us. back then i was just as much an animation nut and would think about the story in my mind as a cartoon. it is so cool to actually realise that its gonna happen. hooray!!!
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Well, if you are (Nordling=Swedish surname),please drag me along with your friends, since it will be impossible to get anybody that I know to see a WB cartoon! (Letterman-style:"Let's face it...animated feature...it's a CARTOON";-)
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I'm not sure if this movie is being consigned to the crapper by WB just yet. Granted, the trailer wasn't all it could be (although knowing what I know about the movie I got excited by it) but there is an increase in interest going on. Some very positive buzz (Matt Groening said very nice things about it) and we still have a couple of months before it comes out. Also, the poster rocks. I think WB is beginning to realize how good this movie is. If only they hadn't shot themselves in the foot with The King and I...sigh...you get a hold of a bad movie, and you attach your name to it and make everyone believe you made it? On the verge of releasing a classic? I fear people will say "This is the company that made King and I" like a few magazines have already said, dismissively.
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This is sounding better and better. I hope it gets the audiance it deserves. Anyone know when it's due to be released in the UK?
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I know hard hard it must be to publically denounce Disney's rock-hard grip on your balls. :-) I'm not really quite the Disney-hater I protray myself to be. It's really a love/hate/exasperated parent type of thing. I wish they WOULD make wonderful films. But they're a delinquent; a wasteful, eldery brat who has grown not only too big for his britches, but now can't even get them on without help from the orderly. Animation has "grown up" all around you, Harry. But Disney has only grown old. Viva le animatique! Sorry if this all sounds preachy and "holier than thou," it was all meant in fun. Can't wait to see this thing!
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Uncle Cracky, that may well be the best metaphor I've read this year on AICN (it's a lost art). If Harry is right about Iron Giant, and it's successful, perhaps Disney will be shamed into letting their people create instead of re-hash. One can only hope.
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But all of you are getting excited about a movie that Harry (Armageddon, Godzilla) loves. The trailer sucked, I hate to tell you that, but it was awful. The story sounds absolutely insipid and the animation looks cheap, I'm talking AstroBoy here, folks. There is nothing I have heard that makes me want to see this, only superlatives from Harry and Moriarty, and Lord knows they have both recomended crap in the past (as a number of you have fun in pointing out unless it coincides with your vision of the movie).
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Harry, everybody, I'm glad you're all getting so excited about Iron Giant. Well, me too...but. What's the "but"? Where's the excitement for Mono no ke hime? (princess mononoke) Granted, its not a brand new film, and there is the possibility that dubbing it will butcher the film, but I understand that art houses are going to be receiving a subtitled copy. That, with the added bonus of NEIL GAIMAN writing the subs and script for the dub, how can this be so overlooked? Not to knock Iron Giant, but Mono no ke hime is THE BEST animated film ever, imho. I can only hope that loving this film makes you all more aware that there are other foreign films worth watching besides The Pillow Book. So, go watch some anime, and stop feeling like a kid or a dork about it, its film when its done right, just like any live action movie. Take it ease...
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dreadpiratebob: Learn about animation, and what looks good. This film might be lacking *somewhat* in design, but the actual flow is eye candy. This is the part where you come back to say you are, or your is, studying to be an animator, or you know someone who is an animator for . Gordian: It's "MONONOKE Hime", not "Mono no ke Hime". IF you haven't seen a fansub, then you need to. Don't wait for the dubbed version, or a Disney *shudder* subbed. Hmm. Knowing it's Disney, I wonder how good^H^H^H^Hshitty it will really be. So far, the only good animation they have given us is _Gargoyles_ (until it turned to saturday morning kiddie shit)
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The far from "insipid" story is based on a classic children's novel by Ted Hughes, which was also turned into an interesting concept album by Pete Townshend. Also, there's been positive buzz building about this film for months, apart from the reviews written here; ergo, it comes as no surprise that Harry loved IRON GIANT, since I have yet to hear a negative word printed, or spoken, about it. So, dreadpiratebob, why don't you gather a bit more information before you trot out that tired argument next time? I don't always agree with Harry, but this is a project vastly different than ARMAGEDDON and GODZILLA (i.e. it's not a mindless "event" movie cobbled together by many disparate hands.) Besides, haven't you seen enough movies to know that the trailer is by no means indicative of the film's quality? The list of great films with bad trailers is a long and distinguished one, and I fully expect THE IRON GIANT, based on what I've heard from unbiased, intelligent individuals, to be added to it.
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Mono = thing, object
No = Japanese particle "of"
Ke = Spirit
This is the direct translation (Thing of Spirit, or, a spirit). Within the title these words are written in hiragana, so separation is impossible. However, Mononoke and Mono no ke are both acceptable english transliterations because Mono, no, and ke may be seen as distinct words and therefore may be put in english as such. The "mononoke" is a spirit, so which is it: a thing of spirit, or a proper name? Both, but I prefer to think of it as a thing of spirit due to the conclusion of the film. "A" spirit, not the only spirit. As a speaker of Japanese as a second language, this is my understanding of the title. Also, as I mentioned, a direct translation WILL be released to art film houses, so you don't HAVE to see the fan sub. Plus, I'm interested in Gaiman's translation because I feel he is a very good writer, and one with the unique talents to pull this off. -
Harry, Ok, so most people in this world people who read haven't even heard of Iron Giant (contrary to what YOU'D like to belive, not everyone reads this site), and we can knock WB for that if they want this to succeed. But I think you're assuming to much. You DON'T have that much influence, Harry. When did the public start hearing that The Matrix was a great movie? Maybe a week or two before release. Analyze This? If you realy look at it, it was more of a sleeper that grew in audience, from word of mouth -- and both were hits from WB. Classics grow over time (as much as you'd like Godzilla to be a classic, I don't think it will be despite your review). The marketing people for WB know a lot more than you Harry -- remember, they got college degrees in this stuff. You may think you're able to change the marketing with one review of a film, but you can't. Last I heard the only "blurb" you've gotten off this website was your oh-so positive review of that pile of crap Fear and Loathing...
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Everyone in the Warner Bros. marketing department should be fired and replaced with people who...hmmmm let me think....know something about how to market their movies. The Matrix and Analyze This were huge hits because they were excellent movies and there was word of mouth, not because of genius marketing. Those movies would've been hits no matter what kind of half assed marketing job the WB put out. Look at that horrible Wild Wild West trailer! The movie can't be that bad. Poor Will Smith. He had such a good track record going and then he makes a Warner Bros. movie and he's got his first potential stinker. It's not a coincidence. It's the studio's fault.
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Note to Harry: Skip the diet. You'd suffer too many cracked ribs. Your 'armor' is all that protects you at the moment. :-) I'm DYING to see Mononoke; when does it come out? And where exactly are the Neil Gaiman subtitled prints landing? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller...?
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How can everyone be so faithless in the Warner Bros. marketing department when the one-sheet they've created for IRON GIANT is the coolest, most innovative movie poster art I've seen in ten years?! Just this one magical 27x41 image gives more credence to the possibilities of this movie than Harry's lofty review.
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because I like Brad Bird not because Harry thinks it's a classic. I once read that Harry thought POE was going to change the face of animation. His opinion means nothing to me.
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to ned what'shisface, your opinion was instantly discounted the minute you dissed Fear and Loathing. I have a college degree (in communications, i.e. film,marketing etc..), I know plenty of people who have a college degree. It does NOT mean you know how to market every film that comes your way, especially if it doesn't neatly fit into a genre/type or is an "event" like Armageddon etc..Although I will reserve judgement on this film till I see it, it sure would be nice if it's as good as Harry says. Having seen the trailer my enthusiasm was greatly diminished, so we'll see.
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ok... so i admit disney movies have gotten a little repetitive... but tarzan (with the exception of kingdom of the sun... if that ever gets made)... looks 2 be the disney last film 4 a while 2 do that... they've got fantasia 2000, lilo & stitch (questionable...), atlantis (sounds great), treasure planet (cant wait)... & as 4 tarzan... well it looks great... i havent seen it yet but the movie could be muted with the worst storyline & id love it cuz the ainimation is the bast so far & the backgrounds look great... sorry i had 2 mention disney on a warners talk back... but i was reading the earlier posts & every1 seems 2 always show this great contempt 4 disney when another studio turns out a good movie... so just thought i'd remind u that they're starting 2 get it... (hopefully... they could always make a mess of those movies(yea... i like disney... even though i realize their recent shorcomings...))
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Mono no ke hime (Mononoke hime - whatever ;) will be opening in 300 theaters (that's the top 20 markets) on October 29th. The Gaiman script will be used for the dub. The voices will include Claire Danes, Billy Crudup, Gillian Anderson, Minnie Driver, Billy Bob Thornton, Angelina Jolie, and Sean "Puffy" Combs (groan). The subtitled version will not be Gaiman's script, but instead a "direct translation" with "limited release in art film houses" - whatever those two things mean to Miramax. I feel bad for posting all this MH stuff on Iron Giant, because it looks cool too, but with Harry's continued ignorance of most things animated, there has to be some place to post re: MH. More as I hear it...
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Thanks for your review of "Iron Giant," Harry. It was very well written and thought out. Your review really lifted my spirits, esspecially with regards to this film. "Iron Giant" is a film I've really been looking forward to for some time. I agree with you about the trailer. I saw it this weekend in front of "Austin Powers," and Warner's marketing managed to make it look very "kiddy." A bit too cute and pandering. Adults in the audience seemed very disinterested by it, and this is too bad because I had heard the film would please audiences of all ages. More like "ET" and "Wizard of Oz." That's what I hoped for. The trailer they cut together made it look more like a standard Don Bluth kiddy crapfest. I'm glad your review said it was more the former.
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I've followed Iron Giant since Harry first mentioned it here and tried to get as excited about as the rest of the people here but I can't. I've listenend to Townshend's musical version, I've read the book, and I've seen the trailer. So far, none of these have excited me much, I'm not sure what is doing it for the rest of you. Is it the pedigree of the project supervisor/director Brad Bird? I love his stuff and that is the only reason I would see this, but even Kubrick made a bad movie (Sparatcus). Is it the story? Doesn't sound unique enough to get excited about. Is it the characters? Haven't read the script, so I don't know, have you read the script? I don't know much about animation other than what I learned in art school and have seen on my TV or at the movie theatre but in my humble opinion, we're not looking at great animation here, at best it looks like a better version of the style used in Heavy Metal (low angles, secondary and primary colours). As far as the Harry and Moriarty question goes, yeah, maybe I trotted it out at the wrong moment because they have both recommended excellent movies as well as some shitty ones. But, there reviews have been mainly superlative laced without much substance, it's hard to get excited when all I hear is someone telling how much I will love this movie, in fact it usually has the opposite effect, I think "Well, prove it!" I want to hear about character development (it can be done without giving away plot), I want to hear about Bird's direction, I want to hear about the musical score and I want to hear about the editing. I don't mean to offend anyone but if you can give me a reason to be excited from what you've seen I would be happy to hear it.
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Cineman and Z -- how easily you jump to Harry's side... just shows how easily you'll believe your "Father Geek." My point regarding WB marketing is not that WB will flub it or that they know how to perfectly market a film. I just find it hard to buy that Harry is the marketing genius he wishes he were. Whether The Matrix and Analyze This were hits because of marketing is irrelevant, since most would aggree they both were good movies. Hence, Cineman, you're point that they were hits despite bad marketing (which I would disagree with, mind you), shouldn't matter to Harrry since good movies do well despite right? Wrong! You forget that plenty of movies don't do well for whatever reason (Out of Sight comes to mind). And Z, you make a point regarding the college degree debate, but since I assume Harry doesn't have a marketing degree, I think I'd assume the WB would have a 'little' more experience in this department. Oh and Fear and Loathing was crap. Yes, it looked good and was funny, great acting --yada, yada, yada. But if you want to see a GOOD movie with all of that see Trainspotting. You get all of the drug enduced paranoia you want there, and a real story!
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So, let me get this straight- Iron Giant, Fight Club, and Mystery Men are all coming out on the same day (Aug. 6)!! Sheesh, it's going to be a looooong weekend.
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WB marketing sux? Have any of you seen the trailers for The Matrix or Eyes Wide Shut?
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I'll definitly put this on my list of movies to check out...this and Heavy Metal F.A.K.K.
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Odd that it's possible for some to have negative opinions of a film sight unseen. I've seen The Iron Giant. I'm going to see it again. It's one of the few movies that's engaged me on an emotional level since I don't remember how long ago. The movie is great; the theme is great; it looks gorgeous, and it has a moral center. I could not care less if Harry liked Godzilla; I never even saw it. But he's right about Iron Giant.
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Why is it that every talk back is filled by people who hate Harry and his view of movies? Why are you on this damned site if you hate him and everything he does? Move on! He's got his own POV (more than I can say for most people) and is sharing it on HIS site. It's not like he's telling you his breakdown of his idea for a trailer, and the movie geek that he is, he's probably seen a fare share of good films get tripped up out of the gate...As far as marketing...degrees mean shite and The Matrix had two killer trailers. I remember the audience I saw the teaser with shared a collective "woah" akin to Keanu in the full trailer which was also amazing.
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Harry actually isn't being enthusiastic enough. And just so people don't get the idea that there are moles around here whose job is to blindly leap to Harry's defense, I'll tell you that I write for a web site that is in direct competition with AICN.
Frankly, although I too fear that this film will be mis-marketed, it really doesn't matter in the long run. The Wizard of Oz, Night of the Hunter, Citizen Kane and countless other movies now regarded as classics bombed on their initial release. This movie will find its audience one way or another. I will own it and show it to my children when I have them. Frankly, I can't even talk about this movie without my voice cracking. Just see it when it comes out; if you're still bitching then, well...I feel very sorry for you. -
the trailer sucked... & wb's animation track record sucks... the story didnt sound 2 great... i had no plans of seeing (in the theater... i love animation 7 would've waited 4 the video) it til i heard the positive feedback it was getting (not just from harry)... looks good...
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Wow! But big deal. What about Prince of Egypt? From what we heard, it was the Second Coming. Whatever. The Phantom Menace? Oh, yes, that FINE film... Oh! Austin 2! Funnier than the original, a classic comedy, sure! Please note my sarcasm. This web site is COOL, yes, but since it mostly consists of REVIEWS anymore, I wish the reviews could be, oh, GOOD. Ok, yes, it was this web site that caused me to see The Matrix, still my fav movie of the year. But, besides that, the 'recommendations' usually suck. At least Hallenbeck didn't sugar-coat things. Sure, he liked Baseketball. How many of you SAW Baseketball? I didn't, so, as yet, I do not hold that against him. ONE LAST THING. I wish Harry would write some SCATHING reviews once in a while. He only bashes really safe targets, like Star Trek 9, or Go. BE RUTHLESS!!! Here, I will predict his future reviews: Tarzan, "good but coulda been better, dumb musical numbers bring it down"... Wild Wild West, "terrible, awful, fire Jon Peters now" he'll say... Eyes Wide Shut, "a masterpiece, brilliant, wonderful (and seeing Kidman naked wasn't bad either)"... The Green Mile , "how movies SHOULD be made, wonderful MAGIC"... Toy Story 2, "better than the original, John Lassester does it again!"... Sleepy Hollow, "WOW! Tim Burton's back! Friggin' cool, man!" Just wait and see...
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I saw the trailer for the Iron Giant back in May while waiting in line at the concession stand. I couldn't hear any sound coming from the monitor, but I was transfixed by it anyway. It looked like every daydream I had had as a kid. The guy behind me tapped me on my shoulder,and I realized then that I was just standing there open-mouthed while people were waiting on me. I'm kinda the black sheep of our movie-watching group because I've been excited about seeing this movie - even more so than Eyes Wide Shut. I'm glad to know it's going to be worth the wait.
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I like the Last Unicorn. But I sure wish the animators would redo it. It could be really great redone in modern animation. Needs new music (if any at all) and voiceover/scripting, but the story's pretty good.
Oh... was that not the topic? Random animated favorites? Whoopes... ;-) Thanks for making me aware of another animated feature, btw, I'll have to watch for it. I tend to like anything that's animated. I even liked Pocahontus, well, the story sucked, but the animation was quite pleasant... :-)
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Those who have seen the movie, I need a better reason it has a moral centre, all good movies should and do have a moral centre. Tell me why I should be excited to see this, make me as excited as you, write a real review of this film!
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OK, listen up, folks. I have friends who like movies. Every one of them has, at some point, hyped a movie to me that I ended up hating. Or not liking, anyway. Does this mean I say to my friend, "You scumbag, I'm never talking to you again?!" Of course not. NO TWO PEOPLE HAVE EXACTLY THE SAME TASTE IN MOVIES. I hated Armageddon. Does this mean I will stop listening to Harry? Well, for one thing, I never really "listened" to him, if by "listening" we mean basing my entire opinion of a film on what he says. I take Harry's review into account, just as I take everyone's. But Harry didn't get me excited about Godzilla, because I just...wasn't excited about it. It looked like I wouldn't enjoy it, and I was right. But Harry IS making me excited about Iron Giant, because I was excited in the first place. Sometimes Harry's opinion will match yours and sometimes it won't. I would be so sick if this website started basing everything around what Harry thought the public opinon of a movie would be. I WANT Harry's nutty opinions. If he sounds insane, I'll shrug him off. But if someone can hype you into seeing a movie your gut tells you is going to stink, then maybe you don't have enough self-confidence That sure isn't Harry's fault. BTW--ignore WB's past failures. They were the products of a money-driven regime that has mostly been ousted. This movie has already rocked the worlds of several, not just Harry. WB is doing an OK job marketing it, not brilliant but it should be enough to make it successful. (Don't worry about adults--they'll see it with their kids, and then all the bad trailers in the world won't matter. You think adults went into Toy Story expecting the level of brilliance they got?)
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All I know about Iron Giant is what I've read here, and reading the review told me more about the storyline that I hadn't realized. The whole "gun that doesn't want to be a gun anymore" ... does anyone but me foresee a potential media hot topic, "kid's movie explores violence, consequences, respect for humankind", etc.? If this movie IS good, if WB marketing folks have any wits about them (and since my fairly hip parents had no idea what The Matrix was about, having seen no trailer or commercial, I'm a little doubtful), then the actual artistic merit of the film could ultimately become meaningless if it is seized upon as a morality lesson that "every child should see, more than once" (my possible headline, not personal view). Now, if the film is as fantastic as Harry says (and I do often agree with him, tho not always), I don't care how the mktg pp/media get the audience in there, I want any well-made movie to do well so that more worthwhile projects get made. Since it is only about the dollars to the studio (although I would be interested in knowing what development folks got this project off the ground), I truly think the wisest thing for the publicity machines to do is start playing upon the overwhelming American fear of child/teen violence. And yes, I am ambilvalent about the blatant manipulation that suggests, but hey - that's why I have a virtually worthless degree in advertising. Sorry to ramble so long, but I so rarely post that I guess the words pile up.
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Hi: I am the publicist at Rhino Records for the Iron Giant soundtrack and wanted to know if you would be interested in hearing it and reviewing it?
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I just don't know. Harry seems to really like this one... I don't think I will... This is mostly just because of what I have seen, the single trailer... Not much else to go on, even the review says little of the movie. The trailer was not a keeper, it left my HD soon after the DL... Glad I don't base ever single movie on the trailer tho..
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...let's face it. WB Marketing hasn't been the same (i.e."as good") since Rob Friedman left. In the last 2 years, WB has been nothing deeper than a bunch of whining WB executives running around cow-towing to WB marketing not-know-hows. AND--it shows (Fathers Day, The Postman, The last few Batman Movies, Quest for Camelot...). Iron Giant DOES owe much of the anticipation to this site and sites like it. I hope WB does a proper marketing job on Iron Giant--and it's nice to FINALLY see Brad Bird's Story Horse driving the WB Marketing cart, rather than the other way around. Stick THAT in your sniveling executive arse.
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Just because I believe that the Warner Bros. marketing dept. sucks does not by any means show that I am siding with Harry. I do not think that Iron Giant will be good and I frankly don't trust Harry's reviews since he seems to like everything. Oh sure, it's sooooo easy to start saying Warners has a good marketing dept. after they have a few hits but I'm sure everyone praising them were the same ones putting them done when they had all those bombs. My opinion on Warners marketing has nothing to do with Harry and I think Iron Giant will suck and be a failure at the box office regardless of how Warner Bros. markets it. I think the one-sheet is nice but that trailer sucks. This will just be another Quest For Camelot. Ned, I hope you stuck up for Warner Bros. when they needed your support the most and you're not just jumping on the bandwagon because it's cool to like them now.
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Has Harry actually DISLIKED
anything in last two years?
Is it possible that what we have here is a perfect example of how
big studios BUY good reviews with
lots of CANDY?
I just don't know.....Man LOVES
everything....
Sort of reminds me of what's
happening with Stephen Spielberg
these days...Every time some big time director wants to have a good
review for his overblown epic, all
they have to do is to invite Spielberg to a screening and make
sure that he gets assauted by "Entertainment Tonight" robots on his way out...
Just so St.Stephen could gush endlessly about a masterpiece he just witnessed....Spileberg LOVES
everything....
Shame on you Harry....Bought and
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deadpiratewhatever, SPARTACUS is a great movie to a lot of people -obviously you're not in the club- but it has a "moral centre" as you said. IRON GIANT has that and more. I think nevertheless that if -as you said- you read the book and heard the CD and it escaped you, well, it will again in the movie. So, sorry but no cigar, case closed for you in that department. Now, I have seen a good, solid chunk of footage and a bit of rough pencils and I can tell you this: technically it is extraordinary. Harry's rave is not enough to make this thing justice. This is the FIRST time in animation history that computer has "blended" with traditional cel animation. It was tried as early as GREAT MOUSE DETECTIVE and it was still looking like an alien form in POE (which I found boring, overhyped, pompous and undramatic), but here, WOW! I have zero interest in sparking a discussion here. there's an opinion for everyone, I'm here to state mine: regardless of what Warners does or not, this movie IS a gem. And regardless Ned and his cohorts trying to deviate the discussion AGAINST Harry and PRO WB, the fact is WB is marketing this particular movie in an unenthusiastic, pandering, stupid way. Look at Tarzan. Disney cuts 2-3 versions: one for the boys, one for the girls, one for the adults. Each tells a side of the movie (I've seen it, BTW and it is quite good). So instead of attacking Harry (allegedly because he is presumptuous -as any geek is, c'mon, what are you??) concentrate on the specific problem at hand: WB should pay attention top this movie!!
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Does anyone here know what opinions and buttholes have in common?
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Oy vey. Talk about beating a dead horse. A suggestion: let's all see the movie and THEN discuss.
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"This will just be another Quest For Camelot"? You're fucking tripping. This isn't some junk film written by a committee. It's based on a great story, written by Ted Hughes, it's got a director whose association with "the simpsons" is a pretty damn good pedigree, there are NO GODDAMNED BLOOD-CURDLING MUSICAL NUMBERS, and there are no moronic animal side-kicks. Talking about this film in the same sentence as Quest for Camelot, that utter piece of crap, shows you to be a real dolt.
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I heard a rumor today that the movie is closer to the "musical adaptation" by that guy from the Who (I can't think of his name...crap...) rather than Hughes' classic book.
I hope not. I have never seen/heard the musical - which , I guess is a long the lines of Tommy, but I love the story and I hope that WB doesn't ruin it?
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I just really think this film sounds awful. I just don't see how I can care for a big hunk of iron or a boy wil ears twice the size of his head. I guess I will just wait until the film to judge it....the mistake 99% of the people on the AICN page and these Talkback things make
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First of all why the hell does everyone hate POE?!! The technique they used with dynamic camera angles and the overall quality of animation is second to none (and no I haven't seen Tarzan because it's not out yet- use your head!). The only reason that has been offered, is that critics felt the story was too preachy. ???!!! IT'S ADAPTED FROM THE BIBLE DAMMIT! IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THAT WAY! Idiots. Exactly what were you gen X, hippie, yuppie bastards expecting? A dark tale of Moses driven to insanity by the voices in his head, who starts blowing away everyone Akira style? Even if you don't believe in God, at least you so called animation lovers can appreciate what was realized with this movie: Disney is not the only studio with a serious animation department. I would have thought that would make you all happy.
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It just seems conspicuous that people(and critics) are starting to forget what motion picture means. It's the consistency of story(plot), music, score, sound effects, drama, and the loyalty of a film to its genre. Yet, most critics nowadays(or so-called) seem to judge a film only by its storytelling, as if this is the exclusive thriving factor in a movie. Thus, the unpresence of a good score, the ineffective special effects(if neccessary), the lack of drama, the insipidity of a good documentary or novel, and so-on are all dismissed(by ignorant judgement). Sure, Iron Giant and Good Will Hunting may be oscar contenders(storywise) and I grant them for that, but where is the memorable score and where are the other factors that should keep us audiences smiling in that theatre? Today's movies are very sophisticated(any genre) and if a film fail's to meet that standard thoroughly, then it is short in offering.(Remember how much "Gone With The Wind" grossed in its rerelease?). The visuals, especially, are a superlative factor in any animated film if it was meant to be a feature-length animated film. Yes, just like live-action flicks, score and story are also needed in this genre.(May I remind people out there why I like Mulan though the story is no more than mediocre? Animation, score, charm.)
Anyways, Walter just want
audiences and critics alike out there to judge a motion picture of any kind by all 'aspects' and not just one or the other. And of course, don't judge a film before you see it(Tarzan bashers?)
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Films--ESPECIALLY animation will NOT be $ucssesful unless there is a strong story and/or compelling characters. "Yellow Submarine" was a terrific (and probably the last) of the cool looking, great story animations done. "Sleeping Beauty," for all it's technical virtuosity--IS BORING. And it flopped. Several times. "Princess Mononke" is cool looking, but has NO characters OR story for a general audience to latch onto--unlike "Totoro" which had loads of character, story, AND charm (not to mention it looked AWEsome). It did OK. "Secret of NIMH" did poorly NOT because it was badly marketed, but BECAUSE IT'S A BAD FILM. All the flash in the world can't make an audience care. If "Toy Story" hadn't had such a strong story and such compelling characters, it would have gone by the wayside as a blip in the industry--a cult-leaden curio like "Tron" and "Roger Rabbit." I haven't seen "Iron Giant," but at LEAST Brad Bird seems like he knows how to tell a story ("Family Dog," "The Simpsons").
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I saw Iron Giant and I am in complete agreement -- it was the best film I've seen all year. I cried at the end, the same way I cried in E.T. -- While the animation wasn't fantastic, I found that after a while you get so melted into the story that it doesn't even matter, and when you hit the third act it's just magic. I haven't felt that good coming out of a movie in a long time. Everybody has to see it, on principle.
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Sorry folks, accidentally hit enter before I typed anything. I just saw Tarzan, and it had an Iron Giant trailer...and yes I am interested in seeing the movie, but it being 10 times better than Tarzan, huh!? Are the people who are bashing Disney gonna go out and bother to see that "horrid" Tarzan film?? You should, it was great, and you can barely tell it was Rosie o'donnell voicing the sidekick character. 99% of the music was not sung by the characters, it was in the background. I do not fuckng understand the Rosie flames...she was just not a big enough focus in the film to ruin it for me. By the way the Iron Giant trailer makes me want to see a Warner Brothers animation project, unlike the insipid trailers for The quest for Camelot and The king and I. I lost a little respect for Harrys reviews when he drooled over Star Wars: The boring menace, and Austin Powers: The spy who bored me and did not make me laugh. If Iron Giant is better than Tarzan...and I will not take harrys word for it...then I am in for an incredible!! movie going experience when I see the film (Tarzan shows that non-disney animation films still have a lot to live up to...hopefully Iron Giant does indeed break the monopoly Disney has on enjoyable animated films).
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I just got back from a test screening of the iron giant. It was probably 90% completed and sounds a lot like what harry saw. Anyway he is right that this movie is for all audiences but then again i think every movie is. Now i saw tarzan before going to this screening...i was just pulled aside and asked by some exec to stay and watch a screening...i agreed and sorta missed my job shift...oh well. Well now tarzan blew me away...it was so awesome. It ranks up there with the lion king. Maybe even higher. GO SEE THIS MOVIE....
Now the iron giant...there were about 50 people invited in...all age groups. Mostly 20-30 year olds. The start of the movie is kinda corny and lots of people kept saying..."not another asteroid movie"...anyways to keep this short i really didn't enjoy this movie like harry did. It didn't deliver at all. It seemed like it belonged on a saturday morning. ANd i did tell this to the execs that showed us the film. In fact many people didn't enjoy this movie. It wasn't bad but it wasn't even close to good. The story was there but it just doesn't hit you like tarzan does. And after seeing how tarzan looks on screen and then this you sorta think to yourself and wonder what happened to this piss-poor animation. I'm in no way bashing this film it just didn't have fun tarzan did. It is a very serious movie and you walk out breathing normally..not fast and furious like you liked the movie...and even no one smiled after the movie. It just wasn't that kind of movie. THere is one good thing...it was very original. It did have an ok story but just couldn't deliver. The characterization just wasn't there. Everything seemed so flat.
A kid next to me about 12 asked if tarzan had a showing after this movie was done with. He just wanted to leave. He did go see tarzan again i think. I will too!!!
ANyways it was a good stab at trying to get a little money from disney but it just doesn't work.
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Hey Idiot. Nice try. The last test screenings were held several weeks ago. The last test screening with only 90% complete was in April. Not that your stupid and obviously inaccurate comments make anyone want to reconsider Iron Giant anyway. Grind your axe elsewhere.
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Yes the film i saw WAS 90% complete and this wasn't exactly a typical test screening like it seems. It was a spur of the moment thing as i saw it. The theater agreed to show the film to an audience that just saw tarzan and wanted our comments. And yes the Producer was there and told us this was an "older" (he didn't say anything like April) film test. The main idea about this whole screening was comparing it with disney...not tarzan but disney. That is what we were asked to note while watching the film.
But hey if you don't believe me i really don't care. I know what i saw. Let it be. Just take it as it is. I KNOW WHAT I SAW. And i wasn't bashing the film in anyway. I was just stating how i percieved the movie. It wasn't a bad movie and it is for any audience but it doesn't pull the whole audience in at all. That's why i used the analogy of a "saturday morning" cartoon....not directly saying anything about the animation. I just thought it could be better. It was obvious that this movie was being rushed to get done. And my blurb when people started saying "Not another asteroid movie" was being sarcasstic. Remembert the trailer...well i that is what people were toying with .....that had nothing to do with the story. I do think it will be a favorite of the critics for the story...I got the book yesterday that this movie is based on and i must say that the novel is awesome so far. The movie is starting to make lots more sense for some reason. Everything falls together. I highly reccomend the novel....for some reason the story is really believable in the book which the movie didn't really cover at all.
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THE IRON GIANT...by Ted Hughes
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The producer couldn't have been there. I spoke to her on the phone yesterday and she confirmed to me herself that there was no test screening. The 90% version doesn't exist on film. Hasn't for weeks. Just admit you made it all up and we can call it a day. Or not. And I'll continue to poke holes through your already flabby story.
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I just got back from talking with my friend about this movie which you claim i never saw...He says it was the production manager of theater and not the producer. I just screwed up. I knew when i wrote that it might of been wrong. Anyways you'll probably not believe that either. And if you worked on the film like it sounds like you did a lousy job of recreating such a powerful book. Did you ever happen to read the novel. Probably not...that 80 pages was too much for you. I did see this movie and i'll leave it at that. No more posts...no more talking about it. Nothing...i'll let the public tell how bad this film will turn out in the theaters...and i must say you have the worst maketing on earth right now for this movie...
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Dear Lavalick,
Your not getting off that easy.Prove to me you saw this "phantom" print of Iron Giant by answering a few simple questions.I guarantee you won't respond to these. That's because you are a fraud. The facts are simple;there was no test screening last week or 4 weeks prior.This can be proven. But now on to the questions-
A.List 3 major differences between the book and the movie.(this should be easy for such an expert on the book as you)
B.What is Hogarth's "pet" in the diner sequence?
C.What is Dean McCoppin's beverage of choice?
D.How many fisherman are on the troller "Annabelle" in the opening storm sequence?
These of course are ridiculously easy questions to anyone who has both READ the book and SEEN the movie as you claim to have. Go ahead, prove me wrong and I'll accept your story.(oh, and don't take to long trying to search out the answers to these questions, I know you check this board frequently). I expect to hear an answer shortly. -
Busted!! Ule has busted you so badly, you plant! Your poor use of grammar (the mixing of lower case, and upper case letters) helps make it so ridiculously obvious. You obviously didn't get past psychology 101! Did a certain jealous director over at the big D put you up to this?? He can't stand the fact that his movie got upstaged on this website by a much more competent picture. He wants to think of himself as having equal storytelling/directing skills as Brad Bird, but I gotta tell you.. it'll never be the case!
Anyways take your smear campaign elsewhere lavabutt-- The people on this site are wayyyyy beyond your little ploy! -
I got to see a more complete preview copy of IG a couple of weeks ago, and everything said in the review is true. It's really magical, funny, touching, and visually impressive without ever venturing into sappy, trite Disney territory.
The voice acting is top notch, but the final music wasn't in place yet. I also agree that the often unstoppable incompetence of WB's marketing may doom this to be a cult classic, but I'm positive that the word-of-mouth will be great. It's one of the best films I've ever seen, not just animated, and I hope it gets the attention it deserves. -
Remember a great little animated film called "Cats Don't Dance"? Well, it was a really wonderfully animated, unique piece that got undeservedly pushed to the bottom of WB's marketing barrel. (And thus, nobody saw it.) Just because an animated film doesn't have Michael Jordan in it doesn't mean it's worthless.
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Perfect example. But hey, when you've got gems like Lethal Weapon IV to push, who has time for an animated feature?
CDD was great, and I try to turn people on to it all the time. Most of them haven't even heard of it.
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POE animation was servicable at best--save the Burning Bush sequence which was above average. Just because katzemburg made a bible story doesn't mean he had to make it BORING. Which it is. And ugly.
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Ok, IG fans! I need the real DEAL. The SMACK, if you will. Several months ago, I saw the opening few minutes (as well as other parts of the movie-but not the entire thing) and was utterly convinced that this was going to be a great picture. I even had people come up to me and tell me that it BLOWS TARZAN out of the water. Is this true? I have already seen TARZAN (which I think was very good) and I have already been confidently telling people "you know how good Tarzan is? Well, Iron Giant will be much better than that!" (though people won't believe me!)
Someone who already has seen all of IG, please tell me where IG truly stands against Tzan. I NEED TO KNOW how good this movie really is (not that I'm doubting IG or anything!)
Ok. that's it. anyone wanna talk animation? I'm a student at CalArts and wouldn't mind chatting over animation!
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hiya "ricolie", you asked "how this fairs agianst 'tarzan'?"..."is it better?"..well,,,just go and see it!!its not about 'better than tarzan,.,,its about going and findingyou can enjoy something other than just a disney animated picture.
and that there is more than ONE way to tell a story than just the same old formula.Judge it on its own merits,and also know that it is NOT a disney type of film,there is NO talking or singing monkeys with a brooklyn accent,no songs at all in the picture.its what it is,and YOU can judge for yourself whether its a 'good'movie.
For thoe of you who are hardcore disney fans,where disney can do no wrong,chances are your not gonna enjoy this.but if you wanna escape into something OTHER than the same old storytelling that youve been fed with for the past 60 years from disney ..i think you'll dig it.40 days to go--and counting.
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Hi, IRON GIANT FANS!! Just wanted to see if anyone wants to join my IRON GIANT FAN CLUB (ITS FREE!!) I am an animation student at Cal Arts and am VERY excited to see this flick and talk to anyone about it. SEE YA THERE!!
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/irongiant
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How come people who actually live in America don't even like your own cool films when you make them? Fear And Loathing rocked-was it too 'trippy' for you yanks? Ditto Lost Highway. The plot of that film was so obvious-the two lives of a scizophrenic guy-and all i read of your reviews over there is a collective 'huh?!' What about 'Assault on precinct 13'? And how come Repo Man wasn't in your AFI top ten? What about the greatest film ever- Society? Never even seen a tiny bit of recognition of it. It's considered a cult classic in Australia.
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I am so glad there will be another animation without music!
That's the only reason I don't pay to see the Disney films in the theaters. It gets too mushy and only geared for the little kids and not for adults (and those with kids are the ones paying for the 1-5 trips to the movie). AND YES the WB marketing people SUCK! Soooo many of their movies have been great, and they just seem to leave them in the dust when it comes to the marketing part. They don't know how to support the best of what can be. They only know how to support the FADS when it comes to movies. -
Does anyone know if this movie is based on the childrens' book, "The Iron Man"?
Pete Townsend did a solo concept album on the same book. -
The book was THE IRON MAN, by Ted Hughes. The musical by Pete Townsend, whose name I think I'm mispelling, is also called THE IRON MAN.
"Cats Don't Dance" wasn't mismarketed by Warner Brothers, exactly; the real story is a bit more bizarre. Like "Quest for Camelot," it wasn't really a WB film. "Cats..." was animated by Turner Animation, and WB got the property when Time-Warner bought Turner Networks. The catch is that the way the purchase contract was worded, WB was now responsible for marketing and distribution of Turner's in-production properties, but the theatrical release profits still belonged to Turner. Any money spent on advertising the film for its theatrical release was therefore money poured down a hole for Warner; it's likely that the only reason it got such a release at all was to keep the video release from being dustbinned. -
Not to take anything away from Brad Bird, but a movie like Iron Giant will have over 350 people working on it and what you see is on the screen is the expression of all those people's creative powers.
IG had a writer, Tim McCanliess (who wrote the original screenplay), and a story crew, not to mention the producer and editor, who came up with many of the ideas that you see in the finished film. Tony Fucile, head of animation, had a huge impact on how the characters look and act.
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Well, here we go again. It's yet ANOTHER rip-off of FRANKENSTEIN JR. Lucky for me I really like the animated boy-and-his-giant-robot genre. Who doesn't recall with fondness the bold adventures of Buzz and Franky? I'm excited to see this newest homage. I just hope it lives up to the Hanna-Barbera original.
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Harry, if you like this review and want to use it you have my permission. Just put me down as MYLOCHEK.
The theater in my town in Maine had a sneek preview of WB's latest animated theatrical movie, The Iron Giant. At first I wasn't going to go to see this movie at all, for one reason only, I hated the trailers. I know WB is bad for marketing, but the trailers just do not do this movie justice. So anyways, I and my wife went to see it.
What an experience this movie is. The story is top notch, I haven't read the book The Iron Man, on which the movie is based on, but I am definately going to go get it.
The movie is very witty as well as emotional and heartfelt. Bird did a great job bringing this to the screen. It takes its time to develope the characters and teh story and doesn't rush into things so you get to know each character and develope feelings for them. It has a very strong anit-gun message which is worked extremely well into the and doesn't come across as preachy. It also tells you that it's okay to be yourself and that you don't have to be something that you do not want to be.
Michael Kamen's score worked extremely well with this picture. It had the right amount of darkness in it to set the tone of the movie. This is probably one of the more darker scores I have heard in an animated movie. No songs in this one boys and girls, and you know what...the kids still enjoyed it. They were laughing and having a graet time in it. I even heard one of them say 'I love this movie, I want to see it again.' This goes to show you that 90+ animated movie without songs can still capture the heart of children, even though this was a VERY small sized audience. Kudos to Kamen for a score well done.
The animation I felt was very well done. The whole look really made you feel that you were in the 50's. Even the campy late night horror movie Hogarth watches had the look and feel of that era. The use of CG and a cel shader for THE IRON GIANT himself was pulled off seemlessly. He really looked hand drawn and no just CG added in. Hats off to the animators for a job well done in this effect.
The cast did a wonderful job protraying the characters in the movie. For once we fell as if they are the characters and not just voices heard through speakers. You could almost picture them on screen playing out the parts they voiced. Going into this I didn't know the cast listing for the movie and for the longest time had myself convinced that Mr. Manley was played by Tim Allen. I found out of course in the credits it was Christopher McDonald, a great character actor who I think did a marvelous job.
There may have been only about eight other people in the theater with use, 5 adults 3 children, and they all enjoyed this picture. This is a movie that will be loved by many, young and old, for generations I think nad I hope that it will go down as a classic, because in my books it already is.
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On a different perspective on IRON GIANT:
Our children are living in tough times. It's all over the news; our children are in danger. They are threatened everyday by bad elements in our society such as drugs, gangs, murders, accidents, you name it. The list goes on and on and we can witness it in the news every night. There is always a tragic story about innocent kids getting hurt or killed.
I'd like to focus on one of these 'bad elements'. It is on the subject of guns. No matter what anyone says, and no matter who blames whom, guns are deadly. I believe that our children need to know this; that they have an opportunity to learn the dangerous possibilities.
I found one extraordinary film that actually teaches children the value of life and friendship, and the morality of peace. This film is called "The Iron Giant". It will be released August 6 and deserves to be noticed for its moralistic message to our kids. This amazing film gives the message to young children that we should all put aside our fears and prejudices; and more importantly, that 'guns kill'.
I saw its premiere this past Saturday and came out of the theater feeling like (I read someone else say this) "how I wished I felt when I went to go see Star Wars Episode 1". Aside from the point that Iron Giant sends an important message, it is on its own, a fantastic movie.
I just urge you to pass this message along to anyone who might consider this newsworthy or at least important enough to recommend Iron Giant to anyone who has a family. I hope that this great film will be recognized not just as a 'summer hit', but rather for what it stands for and what it says to all of us.
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It's been great reading all the moving reviews of The Iron Giant, but as I have yet to see a single mention of the story's original creator I feel compelled to do the job myself. It was first published (in the UK)in 1968 as The Iron Man, the author being Ted Hughes, the British Poet Laureate from 1984 until his death in 1998. It was published in the US as The Iron Giant for some reason, but remains a classic of children's literature whatever name it goes by.
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