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Banal Bloodletting, Random Explosions Sold In Red-Band Clip For You-Know-Who's DEATH RACE!
Beaks here...
Used to be geography mattered in the shooting and editing of a car chase. Now, we get garbage like this (hosted by the fetching lads at IGN):
I hope this is a truncated version of what Anderson slapped together for the release cut, but, even then, there seems to be little attempt to place the audience in the action. Throughout the entire clip, you have no idea where Jason Statham's car is in relation to the other vehicles or the "Dreadnought". Harp on Michael Bay all you want, but he at least gives you a sense of where shit is from time to time (check out the freeway smash-up in THE ISLAND if you think I'm wrong); he just doesn't hold on a particular shot for more than a few seconds. That sequence above is incomprehensible in the extreme.
It's also rather tame for a red-band clip. But, by all means, please go see DEATH RACE on August 22nd to confirm what you've known about Paul W.S. Anderson since SOLDIER.
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Yeah!
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This looks like complete crap.
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what's left of it is far from a disgrace. Resident Evil was the true beginning of the end.
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honestly he has the same style for everything. what is Jason doing? I thought after the bank Job he could get work
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Idiot.
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that looks like shit, INDEED.
I mean, I defended Soldier, I even defended the trailer for this because some hypocritical folks who bitch to no end about CGI refused to admit that at least the trailer looked like good ol' practical FX... but that clip pulled me down to earth for good. Not that I intended to see a mongoloid retread of Paul Bartel's classic. -
He'd actually be a good director if he let someone else write the dialogue.
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...and not in a good way, either.
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where the asians on like another set with no environmental sound so they would sound dubbed or something too?
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Can someone remix that with Queen's "Flash Gordon" title track? Sounds like a good fit with "dispatch war rocket Ajax", no? Poor, poor Joan Allen...
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What kind of a horrible fate they have in store for Joan Allen. I would have paid years ago to see her get blown away.
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Aug 12, 2008 9:26:35 PM CDT
Ain't working with Jason Statham a fate horrible enough?
by spencertrilby
I mean, except for The Bank Job I don't remember anything good he made. Those Transporter movies are on par with Paul Anderson, and yet he keeps churning them out between two Uwe Boll movies. He's a poor man's Charles Bronson, without the artistic integrity of Chuck's early days.
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Aug 12, 2008 9:31:03 PM CDT
What happened to children and old people are the highest points?
by rectalscan
They don't even kill ANY pedestrian's in this movie?! WTF happened to the point system?!! Crapfest!!! Just get the original Corman version on DVD. FAR SUPERIOR!! NOT politically sissified.
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people get death'd, what's the problem? You want Shakespeare or something? I had no problem keeping track of Statham, he took a sharp left, ran parallel for a bit then ended up in front, though i could be wrong. Too many quickee edits I'll grant you, and I did have the sound turned off, but that Dreadnought is BAD ASS I loved the panels that opened up on the side and the big gun that protruded out and man when those chains grabbed that dude's car and the cannon fucked him up woopee! Of course, I'm running on about 4 hours of sleep between 12 hour shifts and am really in the mood to fuck shit up, but I'd rent it, pay at the movies? probably not.
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Joan Allen?! Come on.
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Statham, god bless him, is right where he should be.
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It'll be on there by Christmas. And I'll probably pass out after 10 minutes.
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facial expressions by actors attempting to show "terror" or "fear" I've seen in... well, I cannot remember.
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I recognized he was a hack with EVENT HORIZON. The 1st of his I ever saw.
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"though I could be wrong..."
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taking a story and making it as small as he possibly can. I understand he's trying to make things under budget but his movies are like eating condensed soup without adding water. Mortal Kombat: all on one island. Resident Evil: all in a basement. RE2: One (cheap looking) city. AVP: All in a ice hotel. Death Race: hell, let's film it near a few warehouses and call it a day.
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We've lost a lot of ground since "Road Warrior."
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Was it that hard to follow? Made sense to me. The movie is probably going to be a steaming pile of shit, but then again, so was the original, so what fucking difference does it make?
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That clip doesn't look nearly as bad as you're all making it out to be! PWSA may be a hack, but consider the source material... A cult classic, to be sure, but it's also a schlocky mess of a film. Paul Bartel? Talk about a hack. This looks exactly like what it was designed to be: forgettable escapist fun. All of you who are looking for Lawrence of Arabia in a movie like this have your heads WAY up your cornholes. Consider it an exception to the rule when guys like Nolan and Favs get behind the camera to bring your favorite wank-fantasy to life and leave it at that. You want to see good films? Support independent and foreign cinema and accept Hollywood for what it is: commerce for commerce's sake. You're all pigs at the trough, so shut up and eat the slop. If you had any self-respect as film-goers you wouldn't even take the time to watch a trailer for PWSA flick, much less comment on how terrible it was. Fucking losers. Shut up. And Beaks? You're just a fuggin idiot. How much do you get paid for being a douche-bag all day?
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As far as I know, he never directed an action scene. What I want is a coherent car chase directed by someone who understands the mechanics of action filmmaking.
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I totally knew where Jason's car was in relation to what I saw in the scene. It really wasn't about Jason's CAR! DICKHEAD, it was about the people who got iced. I get so tired of people who think that are aficionados of the movie making world.
What's a failed movie maker called? A movie reviewer.
The way this site abuses Anderson (not to mention, Ratner and Bay)IS STUPID and WITHOUT MERIT. These guys won't win any oscars, but goddamit, they make some pretty entertaining movies.
Geeks only agree because they think it's cool to shit on them. Of course, you can have your opinion, like I have mind, but sometimes it can get ridiculous.
Oh, BTW - I thought the TDK was good, but not great. You want to talk about a movie with flaws! Start a 'THE DARK KNIGHT' thread. -
This looks better than The Dark Knight, Iron Man, and even Godzilla! THIS IS GOING TO BE THE BEST FUCKING MOVIE SINCE MEAN GIRLS!!!!!
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...is the reason why Hollywood films have degenerated into "pig slop." Why would the studios strive to make quality genre films if people like you continually justify and support the existence of tripe like this? And if Paul W.S. Anderson's "Death Race" is your idea "escapist fun" then you truly are a cinematic moron.
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definitely... yeah, definitely...
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Kurt Russell was better in that than Stargate....you know it's true
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...I have such DISDAIN for this guy. He takes "high concept" material which would be decent output for anybody else and turns it into gushing piles of poopydoop.
Not only that, but his movies completely TANK or under perform at the very least...and yet, people still give him money to continue his career! It's unfathomable!
I truly feel sorry for Wes Anderson and P.T. Anderson for having a similar sounding name as this bag of giraffe testicles.
I wouldn't pay money to see anything that this guy puts out there. Maybe...MAYBE...I would watch about 10 - 15 minutes of this crap if it was on TV for free - deem it to be stupid and then go do something more worthy of my time, like write up a mock obituary for Paul W.S. Anderson.
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... we know where Statham is when he gets there, but that cut from his car veering left to the other car (which looks a helluva lot like Statham's) drawing fire in front of the Dreadnought throws everything off. It's just a lot of free-floating mayhem from that point on (with the quick bird's-eye giving us a too-brief shot of Statham going parallel to the truck). Even the action in bad 80s movies (I'm thinking COMMANDO bad) didn't encourage the viewer to be this passive.And don't get me started on the second shot of the panels opening (same angle, different take, makes zero sense). So much to hate about this sequence.
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It's not Stallone and Carradine, but in this day and age you couldn't really remake Deathrace 2000. Sad actually...
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That looks just like my nightly commute home after work. Except there's fewer explosions.
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Well put.
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...are and always have been an exception to the rule in Hollywood. For every road warrior, there are a thousand Smokey and the Bandits. Mainstream films haven't degenerated into pig slop, they've always been that way. It's pathetic little babies like you who don't understand that Hollywood is a business - like Coca Cola. You're the kind of guy who complains that regular Coke is rotting your teeth, which is why you switched to Diet. My attitude has nothing to do with it. If you really want quality genre flicks DO something about it, you insipid pillow-biter. Write one, shoot one and get it out there to prove me wrong. Hollywood doesn't give a fuck about your menstruation-induced complaints, they just want your greenbacks. Besides, it's really hard to take someone like you seriously when your handle references a ham-fisted, wanna-be Dead Poets Society starring Sean Fucking Connery. You're not exactly putting yourself out there as a cineaste.
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So when he's not butchering the Resident Evil franchise and making turd-bombs out of it, Anderson is serving up shit sandwiches like this. Pass.
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... would be a blessing. Sir Hal Needham knew how to shoot a fucking car chase.
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...the "Jesus Christ" line should recieve an Oscar for her performance. It's a bloody chase scene. It's self-explanatory! How do you have bad acting in a chase scene?
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the editing SUCKED!! They need to go back into it from frame one, fire the asshole that put that piece of crap together, and hire somebody who knows how to actually edit a cool car chase scene! I'm sure they have enough cool footage captured that somebody with some talent could put something together better than that!
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Drivin Ms. Daisy in there. She'd be in the back, rattling around like a bean in a can, while Morgan is blasting away with ole style gattling guns in that antique ass car. I'd watch that for sure.
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The Longest Yard. With Death Cars instead of football.
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Aug 12, 2008 11:03:01 PM CDT
Needham: the genius who brought us Megaforce and Stroker Ace
by el mono
Beaks, if AICN was around in the early 80s, Needham would've been the PWSA of the day! Come on, Beaks! Canonball Run and Smokey were cool if you were under 10 years old.
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Needham knew how to stage and shoot car chases.
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Oops, wrong TB.
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..wasn't bad as a b science fiction movie. "Mama Bear. I'm scared".
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I've seen it and laughed way too many times.
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...that,and Reynolds and DeLuise dying of laughter in the end crawl for no apparent reason. Does that elevate him above hack status? Hell no. The guy was a stunt man who got to direct a few vanity projects for Burt, who he let push him around. And let it be said that well-constructed car chase scenes do not make a good movie. And based solely on this one sequence, how are we to accurately judge the driving scenes of the Deathrace remake? I know PWSA's previous work inspires little confidence, but we're jumping the gun a little bit.
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I didn't hate Soldier. Does that mean I should go to this and confirm he can make a decent movie once in a while, but never a great one?
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I'll never put another dollar into this asshole's pocket after seeing what he did to Resident Evil, Alien and Predator.
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if it meant the fucking idiots who keep making those "30 Random Pop Culture References Pretending To Be A Parody Movie" would drop down dead. Like RIGHT NOW. "Disaster Movie?" Really? FUCK YOU GUYS. "2 of the 6" writers of Scary Movie? I KNEW 30% of that movie sucked hairy Harry goat balls!
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When I posted the above comment I hadn't read that you think Commando is bad. Now I know you don't "get" certain movies. Pity, as you are the best writer on this site.
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death race has cross-country carnage.
death race has a point system for people getting mowed down.
death race has ridiculous amounts of glorious murder.
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...Joan Allen...in "zoomovision."
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Not saying it's going to win an Oscar but for fuck's sake Beaks, we know WS Anderson is no Michael Bay, he's no Uwe Boll either, he's a mediocre director whose films make money, deal with it.
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That movie creeped me out. It wasn't great, but I thought it was decent, it had atmosphere anyway. Mortal Combat as well? For a movie made from a video game it had decent fights and the title song moved right along. I'm not defending the guy per se, but holding up the Road Warrior as superior is dicey in my book, especially when you haven't seen the whole flick. Mad Max was always the best of that series and Thunderdome was pure shit. They should return to the rubber-burnin' roots of those movies, have civilization bouncing back, have them re-establishing a police force, bring back that crazy-assed bike rider all burn-scarred and out of his mind, pump some crazy speed back into that dead horse.
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Aug 13, 2008 12:15:36 AM CDT
Actually, El Mono, you're attitude has everything to do with it.
by finding forrestal
You cynical fuck. Excuse me for expecting a modicum of quality out of my genre fare.Keep supporting the slop, you bottom feeding prick.
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...make sure you spew some more bigoted vitriol in my direction. You classless little shit...
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It's dull because of constant frantic action. The camera sweep on Joan Allen undercuts everything she's doing in the scene. Her strong stance, supreme confidence, and total control are lost in the swoop and pointless "wooosh" sound. As it stands she's a part of the action and not apart and "above" it. A lack of kinetic motion there would have also made the action out of the track seem more urgent. She would be in control and they would be racing for their lives due to her mechanisms and not with her. I hope I explained that well. I don't have much to say about the race editing. I'm sure we'd know the cars better when we see the movie's setup scenes. That would help a great deal because they all are the same color with only minor changes. There is a reason NASCARs have such different colors - it helps us keep track during the race.
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Aug 13, 2008 12:52:12 AM CDT
It made far more sense than the action of the Bourne movies.
by mr. moe
Now those movies have some of the most incomprehensible action scenes ever.
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You, sir, have no knowledge of Shakespeare.
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We all know that this is going to be dumb, but from what I have heard from people who have actually seen the film and have never been PWSA fans by the way, was that they were all really surprised by how much they enjoyed the flick....these are guys who review films for a living and of course haven't published their reviews yet, but come next week, you will see some fairly positive reviews.
There is no pleasing everyone and Mr. Beaks is ruthless but he can break it down blow-by-blow and explain why he hates it, rather than hating just because of the director. -
...Which is a shame. The first trailer almost promised an Anderson film I could almost enjoy.
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And classics are supposed to be rare. It's like how everyone is a genius, nowadays. Besides, who really wants a true remake of Death Race 2000? Isn't it better to have the same basic concept (a race where the object is to kill one another) with a new setting? People are always surprised and outraged by the changes that remakes make to the original, which is ridiculous. It's one thing to be critical and to make comparisons, but this is ridiculous. True, when said changes are meant to be improvements, but fail in their execution, it can be irritating. But, c'mon, get a grip. Inform your opinion by seeing the film, then maybe your rage is justified.
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going to go and have a bath in the sink at burger king now.
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There are two films where I decided to watch the film before bashing it, in spite of the fact that everyone and their mother was bash-happy without seeing anything more than a trailer or a poster: White Chicks, and Catwoman. I made it all the way through Catwoman, but it cost me my sunny disposition. White Chicks took about 8 minutes to completely break me in half. I have decided from now on that if something looks like shit, and smells like shit, then it's shit. No need to take a bite out of it to be sure. As for taking the same basic concept and remaking classics: Can't we do that to shitty movies instead? Stuff that had potential but didn't quite make it? Like Krull. I'd see that.
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A car chase. Shakespeare never directed a car chase. Though I'm sure if we gave William a camera and a copy of Lumet's "Making Movies" he'd be immediately capable of staging a superior chase sequence.
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The promo clip's acceptable (if a little obviously cut down from something larger). Wait for the movie before judging it in advance. Oh, hang on, this is AICN. Bitch and moan all you like...
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Shall I compare thee to a Michael Bay? / Thou art more lovely and more temperate: / Rough winds do shake the darling buds of May /
Late Summer's release hath all too short a date /Sometime too hot the eye of Harry shines / And oft' is his red complexion dimm'd /
And every fair from fair sometime declines / By chance or nature's changing course untrimm'd /But thy eternal Death Race shall not fade
Nor lose possession of that Avid thou ownest / Nor shall Death brag thou cans't not action cut /
When in eternal lines to time thou growest / So long as geeks can breathe, or eyes can see /So long lives this, and this gives life to thee.
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No doubt.
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After seeing the Bank Job i was actually quite impressed with Statham , thought he might be making a change of direction for himself. I was wrong.
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Aug 13, 2008 2:38:22 AM CDT
"Two days ago I saw a rig that could haul that tanker."
by det. john kimble
"You want to get outta here? Talk to me."
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Yeah, this clip is a cobbled together mess thanks to Universal publicity. The intro to the Dreadnought runs longer.
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I've seen Death Race 2000. And this, Mr. Anderson is NOT Death Race 2000. It's like a bastard child of 'The Longest Yard' and 'The Condemned' with cars. Surprisingly enough I actually LIKED 'The Condemned'. I've watched most of your movies Paul. Soldier. (Liked it. Thought Kurt was excellent in what I saw.) Watched Mortal Kombat. I enjoyed it as well, because at the time, a martial arts movie with cool specially powered super-ninjas were just what I needed. I've even watched Resident Evil because.. well, Milla... Yummy. But after the fuck job you did with Alien vs. Predator, I will NEVER pay money to see any of your movies in the theatre again.
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I know Kurt Russell only uttered about 16 syllables in the whole of Soldier, but i genuinely liked the movie a couple of ropey effects aside!!Yes its hardly Citizen Kane, but its enjoyable fun,I guess I am one of only 6 on the planet that like it!!but hey we are all different!!
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Aug 13, 2008 3:15:55 AM CDT
Wow! That must've been the lamest, slowest and most boring
by motoko kusanagi
race sequence I've ever seen.They shot that with 20mph and then added Mr. Shaky Cam and quick cuts to make it look like a "race" at 90mph. Hilarious!
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Only Jason and his bint are left at the end of this trailer?Hmm...let me guess, they then destroy the big truck and win the race, offing that smug blonde tart in the process.There, I've saved you all the need to see it - aren't I a star?
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OK, so there are large explosions and some interesting practical effects, but this really looks like something for a bunch of ADHD teenagers whacked-out on too much sugar.
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ugly bitch...what's her name, y'know, of that fuckface that played Pamela Landy in the Shaky Cam trilogy...looked crappy, too.
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I'm no fan of PoS Anderson - his films are literally the worst in the world, and anybody who's not certifiable and willingly gives him their money, needs to be taken out back and shot.
We're all on the same page there - we could forge world peace on that pretext.
But - I got a theory. No, no, just hear me out. I've noticed that Anderson is, from appearances, about 12 years old, a fine reason for him being not only an insult to even hacks like Boll, but for him being completely incapable of holding a cogent conversation, from what I've seen in his interviews...
So while his movies suck the shit out of a dead slug's asshole, lick the residue off their lips ecstatically and ask for more, we at least must pay respect to the likelihood that Anderson is clearly part of some charitable after school programme. He's living in some sort of cocooned, cossetted hyper reality where where his movies are 'enjoyable popcorn fun' and not, in actual reality, festering troughs of eel smegma.
And let's face it, what of you or I, or any other Joe Shlub who masturubates compulsively over whether or not a sonar phone is technically feasible? What if WE tried getting behind a movie camera, could we really come up with better? (We'll never know, because we don't have the won ton to get out there and face freighter-loads of rejection before, when we're 58, some gullible asshat at Sci-Channel or The Asylum takes a punt on our pathetic slushpile-dwelling spec script about some time travelling cyborg driving instructor or something.
So while it's true Anderson's movies make 'The Hottie and the Nottie' look like a smoothie blended from Aliens, The Empire Strikes Back and Citizen Kane, he's still out there, doing his thing, and getting paid for it, while we, the talkbacking masses, are all... still, frankly... here.
*PoS Anderson, on his 3/4 of a second coffee break, reads this post and a tear rolls down his cheek - he prays for our souls, then forgets all about us and gets on with doing what he loves -ie making shit movies, perhaps a spot squash and cross-training, and spending quaility time with friends and family, etc* -
..they've made something that looks nothing like the original, has a totally different plot and has lost all meaning.... it doesnt deserve to have the name 'Deathrace' just to win a few idiot supporters. it makes me wanna go iut and run over some old people for 100 points.
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Aug 13, 2008 5:15:31 AM CDT
actually I got The Running Man vibes off the trailer
by the power of greyskull
but sure, Longest Yard works too sort of... maybe. I don't really have a problem with Anderson - his movies leave me feeling... nothing. I get nothing at all from them.
All the way back to SHOPPING, this has been the case - without exception.
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Aug 13, 2008 5:16:45 AM CDT
actually I got The Running Man vibes off the trailer
by the power of greyskull
but sure, Longest Yard works too sort of... maybe. I don't really have a problem with Anderson - his movies leave me feeling... nothing. I get nothing at all from them.
All the way back to SHOPPING, this has been the case - without exception.
btw well-constructed car chase scenes DO make a good movie - and that movie was called The Cannonball Run -
while I'm on a roll...
Galva - I'm TOTALLY with you - not only should films that are NOT classics be the ones getting the remake treatment, I would LOVE for Krull to be at the top of that list! -
Here's a tip: If you're driving next to a giant truck and it's shooting a flamethrower at your tiny car, step on the brakes. Unlike just looking out the window with a scared look on your sweaty face, this will actually get you out of the flames for a bit...And Ghostball, I don't want to make movies. I want to watch good movies. Something that will only get easier once the careers of the hacks that made this film shrivel up and blow away.And why would he pray for our souls just because we don't like his movie? Actually, don't answer that. I don't really care what you were thinking.
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if so - fuck the car chases, if she gets nekkid i'll be watching this.
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just checked imdb - it isn't deputy jo - so i'm passing
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Mel Gibson and George Miller need to get another Mad Max made already - the real deal when it comes to Vroom, Boom and Doom
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Joan Allen is in it! It can't be that bad, can it? CAN IT!?!?
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The final stunt sequence in HOOPER is flipping wonderful. Tho STROKER ACE stinks bad. And to think, that was the movie that killed Burt Reynolds' career (it was a tossup between this and the part that went to Nicholson in TERMS OF ENDEARMENT...)
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Aug 13, 2008 2:18:06 PM CDT
I saw this at the end of may or begining of june here in London.
by tmic
and was going to post a review but what you saw is pretty much the entire fils, no cross country race no satire, just Mario KArt on a prison island. When I say Mario Kart I mean it, they actually drive over 'tokens' to activate weapons and such. This movie is Andersons beast, but the best of a bad bunch doesn't cut it with me.
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Where's that green dog with the wheezing laugh? Not that I'll see this before Cinemax or HBO pick it up, but what's up with giving away the "THEY SET ME UP!" twist in the trailer? I saw it coming within the first 20 seconds, but did they have to include dialog explicitly giving away that plot point? Anyone know if this is set in a dystopian future like the original?
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No It's set in the near future where Jason gets framed for murder and end up on the prison Island the just outside of NY (I think), people like to watch the prisons races on PPV, and Jason just happens to be an ex racing champ.
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I'm glad the internet wasn't around when people were making awesome movies like the first death race. If the first death race was released in its original incarnation today, you guys would tear that fucker apart.
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Thanks for trying to help me, but I meant what I said & said what I meant. Finding Forrestal was trying to project an image of herself as a lover of good films, and I pointed out that a lover of good films (i.e., a "cineaste") would never reference the film FINDING FORRESTER as their TB handle. It's a wanna-be Dead Poets Society and only an insipid pillow-biter would hold it up as a good film.
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CONDEMNED was GOOD! Low expectations going into it, High enjoyment afterwards
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It makes sense that a schoolyard bully such as yourself would resort to making fun of someone's name. I don't presume to know what your brilliant handle references nor do I care.As far as FINDING FORRESTER is concerned, I never said I liked that film. You, however, are on record defending that hack Paul W.S. Anderson for releasing garbage like "Death Race." I find it odd that someone so concerned with cinematic credibility would align himself with the personification of all that is wrong with Hollywood. But what do I know, I'm just an "insipid pillow-biter" (really?).Keep slinging the shit, El Mono. After all, you insist on rooting in it...
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That's because this isn't a remake, which makes me happy.
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Yeah, aside from Connery's immortal "you're the man now, dog" that film is painfully boring. It makes "Gerry" look like a Michael Bay explode-a-thon.
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While nerds ae rolling in their graves.
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