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David Fincher's THE CURIOUS CASE OF BENJAMIN BUTTON Has Screened, And We've Got A Review!

Beaks here... If anyone can break the big-screen F. Scott Fitzgerald curse, it's David Fincher. But did he really need three full hours to exorcise the Hollywood demons of THE GREAT GATSBY, THE LAST TYCOON, TENDER IS THE NIGHT, THE LAST TIME I SAW PARIS (and the author's alcohol-hastened demise at the age of forty-four)? This is the only review we've received from last week's screening. It's mostly positive, but it does find fault with Fincher's storytelling (third act "repetition" was a significant problem for this reader). Since I know there have been... discussions at Paramount over the length of BENJAMIN BUTTON, I'd really like to get a few more opinions on this cut of the movie - especially since some critics complained of the "repetition" in the third acts of FIGHT CLUB and ZODIAC. So please send along a review if you were lucky enough to check this out (four months prior to release, you bastage!). Here's one reader's take...
I scored a few tickets for an “UNTITLED” screening at Paramount Studios while standing in line at the Tropic Thunder screening, which is beyond hilarious. After a long wait in the burning sun, we were taken inside Paramount Studios and seated in one of the nicest screening rooms I’ve ever seen. Whatever the film was—I was just excited to watch something on their screen. But I was not disappointed when we found out it was David Fincher’s upcoming film, THE CURIIOUS CASE OF BENJAMIN BUTTON. This will be spoiler free. The film tells the story of Benjamin Barker (Brad Pitt) who is born an old man and ages backwards. In the midst of his awkward and unexplainable body changes, he falls in love with a fellow small-town girl by the name of Daisy (Cate Blanchett). The film tells the story of Benjamin’s entire life, however, it mainly focuses on him and Daisy, who are slowly but surely aging in opposite directions. Based on F. Scott Fitzgerald’s short story of the same name. First off, this does not feel at all like a David Fincher film. I think die-hard Fincher fans are going to be quite surprised. At its core, it’s a very romantic film. He has certainly stepped out of his box and certainly out of his usual realm of creativity. There were many moments in the film that felt almost Tim Burton-eqsue. The film starts out amazingly. The story itself won’t have any trouble reeling people in because Fincher is a great storyteller and the source material is top notch. However, I felt this film suffers from the same mistake Zodiac suffered from: things fell apart toward the end. The film is somewhere near three hours. By an hour and a half/forty five, the audience was getting restless. I could hear them squirming in their seats in front and behind me. The last hour is ultimately weighed down by a lot of repetition that has to do with the romance between Pitt and Blanchett. The film is truly great up until the final hour where things begin to feel muddled and unnecessary. I know that seems like a lot of negative feedback. However, trust me, there is a great deal of excellence in the film. Claudio Miranda’s cinematography paired with Alexandre Desplat’s beautiful score makes for some truly magical moments. In fact, most of the film is filled with these kinds of moments. It works more than it doesn’t work; it’s just the final hour that needs to be tightened up, as well as some rough patches toward the middle. As far as performances go, Pitt and Blanchett are very good, but there are some definite dry moments. The special effects and make-up in this film are truly amazing. Brad Pitt’s descent into youth is never once unbelievable; it looks tremendously authentic. The same goes for Blanchett’s aging process. The announcer said the film’s effects weren’t quite finished yet, which is even more impressive. With all that said, the film is still in the very early stages of it’s life considering it won’t be released until Christmas. Fincher and his team have a lot of time to polish it up. I’m sure these test screenings will reveal the film’s obvious missteps, because I’m pretty sure I’m not the only one who felt this way. Beneath it’s sprawling three hours, a beautiful film exists. I have faith that Fincher will find it.

Read Fitzgerald's short story here

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  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Let's hope there's no embargo on this film!

    by brock landers baby

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:26 p.m. CST


    by SkeletonParty

    I'm stuck on it.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:26 p.m. CST

    No Doubts

    by JaPra

    I have no doubt that this film will be everything that David Fincher is, beautiful, disturbing, heartbreaking and mysterious.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:27 p.m. CST

    is embargo the new catchphrase?

    by Bouncy X

    you know, a la nuked the fridge or so and so gotta eat etc.. ?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:29 p.m. CST

    There was a lot of repetition in "Zodiac'...

    by Pdorwick

    ...a repetition of sheer boredom. God what an awful, amazingly over-rated film.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Thesith6667 use for cimminy sake.

    by SkeletonParty


  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Nuke The Fridge

    by QuandraX

    I'll add them to the list of sites that bash AICN. How many of them, now? I remember FilmThreat was a douche, on more than one occasion. PS; There is a Kim Novak marathon on TCM... that woman is gorgeous. I'm trying to think of a modern day equivalent, and Scarlett Johannson comes to mind. But, that one is too easy.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:35 p.m. CST

    The should really reboot Superman

    by samurai sark

    Just saying

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Pdorwick, good luck with your bad taste

    by MarsFalls

    What a relief MUMMY 3 must have been for you after a seemingly endless stream of seriously good films.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:40 p.m. CST

    This Movie Is Not going to do well

    by Captain_Pigphucker

    No matter how good it is. It has to weird a vibe about it

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Repitition in FC and Zodiac?

    by HoboCode

    Where do you people get this bullshit? Honestly.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:40 p.m. CST

    David Fincher is great...

    by Banzai Rootskibango

    ...but Alien 3 was a stinker. Just one big pile of poopydoop.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:41 p.m. CST

    User Banned Because He Spammed Vern's Talkback

    by mrbeaks

    Had he only linked once, I would've let it go.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:43 p.m. CST

    scorpion king 2?!!!!!!

    by dingus khan

    rise of A warrior!!! A warrior!!! there is A warrior, but we'll keep it unspecified as to whom the risen warrior is. just...A warrior. A. warrior. (shia labeouf)

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:43 p.m. CST

    What do you guys mean by REPETITION?

    by Gilkuliehe

    Oh and the trailer of this movie is fucking beautiful. Oh and Pdorwick: Zodiac rules, what the hell is wrong with you.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 is awesome.

    by HoboCode

    Fincher's weakest movie is Panic Room or The Game, but even those arew decent.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:47 p.m. CST

    yes ban those lame spammers

    by Rupee88

    I agree that we can deal with one lame tinyurl hyperlink, but two or more deserves prompt punishment

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:48 p.m. CST

    I sure won't see this in the theater

    by Rupee88

    but it will probably do well internationally and with DVD...Pitt is just too big of a star and all the horny women on the planet like him too much for this to fail.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Zodiac "fell apart at the end"? Huh?

    by JackRabbitSlim

    If what you were looking for was a nice "head in the box" bit in Zodiac as closure, the point of the film was the story had (and for that matter, still has) no closure. It is a gaping wound that simply will not heal and, in my estimation, the point of the film was the lack of that epiphinal moment in the case was what was slowly destroying the reporter and many others involved. Sorry that there is no "Tyler realizes he's schizophrenic and heals/shoots himself" ending. Its a tough, gut-wrenching film.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:49 p.m. CST

    It seems a lot of banning is going on.

    by SkeletonParty

    Has there been a crackdown on this hoedown from the top down? <p>I just want to say I am in no way affiliated with Hammerhead. It is just that after the announcement about Amphibian coming out I got all excited about Hammerhead. Now I feel really bad. <p>Please don't ban me, especially after I finally got this paragraph thing figured out.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Audiences that squirm in their seats...

    by knowthyself

    With alot of movies being so long these days I can't believe people arne't still used to longer running times. Dark Knight is really long and is the # 1 movie in america four weeks in a row.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:52 p.m. CST


    by Banzai Rootskibango

    ...really? It took everything that was the gift of Aliens which Cameron so beautifully executed and flushed it down the crapper. Clunky special effects, that wierd "Alien POV" shot that Fincher was so found of...I'd say it's the worst in the series.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Lucky son of a bitch.

    by Knuckleduster

    I'd give my left nut to see this film. It's great that Fincher is expanding his horizons. <p> P.S. People who think that Zodiac is boring need a special kind of help that cannot be bought.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:53 p.m. CST


    by Banzai Rootskibango

    ...I have not yet mastered the paragraph thing...please elaborate...

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:55 p.m. CST

    A great short story

    by Stormshadow4life

    I am very much looking forward to the movie version.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Ben Button

    by frongbak

    How did I miss this was Fincher. Means I'll have to go to the theatre although I wasn't blown away by the trailer.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:58 p.m. CST


    by Stengah

    if this sucks.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Sounds a bit like Yoof Without Yoof


    Hopefully without the GobbldiGook!

  • SO take it while its hot!!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 2:04 p.m. CST

    I still want to know what the hell you guys mean by repetition.

    by Gilkuliehe

    I'm not reading the review because of the spoiler tag, but do elaborate. Zodiac and FC suffered from repetition? As in MY ASS WAS KICKED REPEATEDLY?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Brad Pitt is an actor? I thought he just made babies

    by Jugdish

    and showed up whenever George Clooney told him to show up! All kiddign aside- this looks great. Pitt is due a good film and this may deliver

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 2:05 p.m. CST

    So how exactly is he born an old man?

    by jimmy_009

    By that I mean, what happened to the poor mother? That's got to be one of the freakiest scenes in recent film history.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 is indeed awesome

    by kwisatzhaderach

    especially the longer cut on the Quadrilogy boxset. The most morbid, grim and depressing summer movie ever.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Very Exciting

    by lioner

    ZODIAC is an underrated, truly excellent film. Very much looking forward to seeing the continued growth of David Fincher.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 2:09 p.m. CST


    by Gilkuliehe

    In the trailer we see a small baby, new born definitely, but all wrinkled and bony. So he is not an adult old man. Just an "old baby". Still, I'm not sure how the aging/getting young thing works. I mean, old people shrink, sure, but not up to baby size. My girlfriend asked me -after we saw the trailer- "So, is he a giant baby when he gets old?". I don't get it either.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Brad Pitt doesn't make babies...

    by Banzai Rootskibango

    ...he rents them with his wife.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 2:12 p.m. CST

    I don't get the Alien 3 hate

    by David Cloverfield

    I didn't see a Fincher film I didn't like. Sure a3 could've been better, but it has some mighty fine stuff in it. And Zodiac is his best film yet.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Alien Resurrection

    by frongbak

    Is worse than 3, although both are huge step downs from the 1st 2. Fincher's alien was so aggresively dirty and downtrodden and Jeunet's was aggressively gross. The really crazy part is that they are both Oscar winners compared to the AvPs.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Sounds Like P.K.Dick's COUNTER-CLOCK WORLD On Ritilin

    by Prague23

    I smell another stinker, a la MEET JOE BLACK (aka - Death Takes A Holiday: The Unnecessary Remake). I hope I'm wrong. <p> Actually, closer to target, I hope this doesn't negate someone funding Dick's novel, in the future, when someone has the brass to attempt it.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 2:15 p.m. CST


    by HoboCode

    Scott's was aggressively claustrophobic and gory. Cameron's was aggressively miltant. What's your point exactly?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Rootskibango - paragraphs

    by SkeletonParty

    If you know html then write the markup for a paragraph break in your message. (less-than character no space letter "p" no space greater-than character)

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 2:19 p.m. CST


    by jimmy_009 he's old and small, grows up to be an old man, then grows back down to be a young man...or something?... Yeah kind of murky. I had an image in my head of Will Ferrel coming out of the womb, only done for horror instead of laughs. "Did I lose my watch in there?..."

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 2:23 p.m. CST


    by Mike_D

    just wanted to say it.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 2:25 p.m. CST

    I can't trust any review that says Zodiac fell apart at the end.

    by fassbinder79

    Zodiac was incredible. No ifs, ands or buts about it. Wouldn't have a changed a frame. And the HD director's cut is even better than the theatrical release. Can't wait to see Button. I'm guessing it will be in second place behind Dark Knight for best film of the year.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 2:27 p.m. CST

    Off the subject, but...

    by OBSD

    is it me or do the girls in that Great Glam ad have unusually large heads? It seems to be a trend these days. Look at the Olsen twins or Nichole Ritchie. Tiny tiny bodies, Huuuuge heads. Whoever in the fashion industry that started the idea that the "Bobblehead look" was attractive in any way has their own room in hell just for them, right next to the guy that wrote "Vanilla Ice: The Next Elvis?" article in Rolling Stone.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 2:29 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Great fucking movie. Totally flipped the Batpod.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Yeah it isn't so much big heads...

    by Kid Z

    ...but emaciated, bulimic bodies (with fake boobs). Plus, the clothes they sell at this place all look like something no one but Joy from My Name Is Earl or Brandine (Cletu's wife/sister/cousin) from the Simpsons would wear. Redneck skankwear.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 2:37 p.m. CST

    I hope this and Valkyrie turn out well...

    by TroutMaskReplicant

    If Fincher can make a big box office and Oscar grabbing film, it'll mean much more fucked up fare later on.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 2:41 p.m. CST


    by EasyEastCoast

    This will be an EPIC movie. Cut out 30 minutes though PLEASE.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Love Fincher's work.

    by Maceox

    Love it all! <p> Except Alien 3.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 2:43 p.m. CST

    I cannot wait.

    by halberd

    Teh Fincher is back and he's gonna own it up, even with a genre outside his realm of familiarity because his storytelling eye should remain solid... and with DF, and movies in general, that's really all that matters.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 2:44 p.m. CST

    I wouldn't call Fincher a great storyteller.

    by DerLanghaarige

    Yes, I love Fight Club to death and how he managed to tell an absurd and absolutely silly plot twist in a way that I say "Okay, I buy it, that's a great idea" IS great storytelling, but I think that Fincher is overrated (and I know that "overrated" is overused"). <br>His visual talent isn't that impressive (Some good ideas here and there, like the camera over the car in "Zodiac", but I think he is kinda like Timur Bekmambetov. He is talented but he didn't do anything that other directors couldn't do.) and if there is something that his movie miss a lot, it's good storytelling! <br> I don't wanna sound like I hate Fincher, because I don't. He just isn't all that and apart from Fight Club he made some mildly entertaining movies (Panic Room, The Game), some bad movies (Seven, Alien 3 [At least this one wasn't all his fault]) and some incoherent movies (basically everything, especially Zodiac).<br> I'm curious how this one will turn out anyway. At least he tries something different.<br> Damn, I'm pretty negative today.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 2:45 p.m. CST


    by Banzai Rootskibango

    ...thank you sir. >P< I am forever in your debt. Hope that worked.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Nope...I'll try again somewhere

    by Banzai Rootskibango

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Aha...did it backwards...

    by Banzai Rootskibango then let's try this now. <P> ...And it works! I hope...

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 2:48 p.m. CST


    by Banzai Rootskibango

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 2:49 p.m. CST


    by Crow3711

    I just watched it again not two days ago and even on second viewing it is one of the smartest and most engaging films I have ever seen. It sticks out in my head as the best movie I can think of never nominated for an Oscar (maybe it had a technical nom, etc, can't remember) As it goes on I become obsessed and destroyed by the case along with the characters, and that is something special. All of Fincher's stuff is great, but Zodiac really felt like a huge step forward, and I really can't wait for Button. I want to see where he takes me this time.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 2:54 p.m. CST


    by HoboCode

    Do you live in a paralell universe? Seven is bad?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 2:56 p.m. CST

    re: biological aspects of giving birth to an adult

    by Ray Garraty #47

    You have to read the story. I hate to make the comparison, but the story is like Stuart Little - the mom gives birth to a mouse, case closed. You just have to suspend your disbelief. No discussions of womb size or zygote mutations, please.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Yeah, DerLanghaarige

    by Gilkuliehe

    What the fuck, man.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:12 p.m. CST

    I just have one thing to say

    by Damage_Inc

    Apache Gunship!!!!!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:13 p.m. CST

    It's spelled "Bastich," ya fragger.

    by Galva

    Still, looking forward to the movie... may need to take a pillow and a piss jar, as I wish I had with Zodiac.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:14 p.m. CST

    I'm glad they made "The Fountain"

    by Raymar

    ...without those two.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Disaster Movie!!! I Can't Wait Either!!!!

    by skimn

    Juvenile parodies based on trailers of current summer blockbusters that are still in theaters, that have nothing to do with disaster movies, but I'm too stoopid to remember anything older than three months ago. Except that Borat fellow. Wheeeeeeee!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:29 p.m. CST

    DerLanghaarige I respect the opinion(s)

    by halberd

    But I'd have to say I wholly disagree. Even the movies you called mildly entertaining (The Game which I liked a lot, and Se7en?!?!) struck gold in many people's minds. Trust me, from a director's standpoint and, moreover, an artistic one, this guy has a brooding and spot on approach when gliding the camera through a story. And if you didn't like the movie... well then perhaps it was the writer's fault for lacking material? I wouldn't diss on Timur Bekmanbetov yet either because he has... four or five films to his credit, three of which I've seen [Wanted and both 'Watch' movies]. So let's wait these things out before we start throwing people under the bus. But I am positive when I say that you are in the minority when it comes to disliking Se7en.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Faults with Zodiac??

    by Reckoner

    The fact that this guy thinks there were "mistakes" that Zodiac suffered from -- I think Zodiac is one of the best movies of the last decade. The whole point of what he calls repetition in Zodiac was the obsession with the case and going over the details over and over again. So I'm skeptical of what kind of faults he finds with this. I predict this will be the best movie of the year. The trailer gave me goosebumps.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Fincher is a boob

    by Wee Willie

    First he ruined a good franchise with his Three Aliens movie that oddly only featured one alien. Then he bounced back with 7even, a run-of-the-mill police procedural with a weak ending. He quickly followed this up with Games, starring an aging Kirk Douglas and Sean Bean. Then onward and downward with the regretable Fighting Club, which had a pointless ending that was a banal retread of 9/11. Then Picnic Room, starring Jordy Foster, which lost my interest when it turned out to take place in one room. Zodiac was basically a remake of 7even, except the cops were incompetent and couldn't even catch the killer (talk about lazy screenwriting). I am not looking forward to Benjamin Buttons!!!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Wee Willie

    by HoboCode

    Alien 3 DID have three aliens actually. The facehugger, the dog exploded alien, and the queen in Ripley's chest.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:34 p.m. CST

    Wee Willie

    by Reckoner

    It's amazing that I disagree with everything you just stated. If you don't like anything Fincher has done then I wonder what you do like.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Holy shit...

    by Darth Macchio today opposite day? No accounting for taste of course but the Fincher dislike in this TB is a bit it just me? Weird.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Never understood the hate for Alien3

    by tiredpm

    It didn't have the action and military hardware of Aliens or the shock of the new that Alien had but I thought it was a perfectly solid horror/thriller movie. Were some of the effects a little weak? Yes, but it was released in 1992, CGI still wasn't quite there yet -- Jurassic Park was a year away.<p>As for the poster above who claimed it was the worst in the series? Dude. Please. Did you watch Resurrection? That movie was stink on celluloid.<p>Turning back to David Fincher, though, I think you have to look at him as a great technician and visual artist whose directorial skills are expanding. Button may be the film that pushes him to a new level that relies less on tricks and gimmicks (although I think he does them well and, let's face it, the premise for the movie is a gimmick -- am I allowed to say that about Fitzgerald?) and instead focuses on the drama and narrative.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Wee Willie's post is hysterical.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Read it a little closer. I'm pretty sure he's kidding.<P>"... an aging Kirk Douglas."<P>Ha!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:45 p.m. CST

    I was NOT kidding

    by Wee Willie

    Except in the parts where I was writing stuff.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Wee Willy

    by Gilkuliehe

    Well done, sir. That was hilarious. Come on, Hobo and Reckoner, did you really fall for that?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:47 p.m. CST


    by Rick Flemming

    This movie will go right to the 'shit pile' of my reviews. How bout some movies like they used to make em. Or get on that Howard the Duck sequel we keep hearing about!!!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Seven is a bad movie? What the fuck are you smoking man?


    It's one of the best movies ever made dammit, and so is Fight Club. Lay off that shit dude, it'll kill ya. And what the fuck is that repetition bullshit supposed to mean? Can someone please explain it once and for all?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Will this be like Fight Club...

    by Lou Stools

    ...and have lots of homoerotic flourishes?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 4:02 p.m. CST

    The film tells the story of Benjamin Barker...

    by loafroaster

    ...and how he became Sweeney Todd. OOPS, wrong film!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 4:03 p.m. CST

    Never Understood the Hate for Resurrection

    by MasterBateman of the most beautifully filmed science fiction films I've ever seen. Sigourney Weaver clearly has a lot of fun with her role as the alien-infused Ripley. I love the scene where she sees the failed versions of her clones and burns them to pieces. "There's a monster inside of you" is one of my favorite moments in the series. The whole movie is pretty ballsy and packed with some awesome gore moments. The aliens themselves never looked better. You've got this all star genre cast with Winona Ryder, Ron Perlman, Brad Dourif, and Leland Orser. You've got the director of City of the Lost Children and Amelie. And you've got Darius fucking Khondji behind the lens! It may not be the pinnacle of the series, but it's certainly the entry that I revisit the most. I can admit that the human-alien hybrid at the end is not up to par with the Giger designs, but that's my only complaint about the film. I think it's deliciously twisted and brilliant when Ripley fucks the queen. What a lot of you don't realize is that the beauty of the alien series is that each installment is a unique vision. I feel like some of you want Jimmy Cameron's movie over and over again, hence the outcry over the third and fourth installments. Alien 3 is clearly the weakest of the series, but even that one has its merits. If you haven't seen Resurrection since its theatrical release, then I recommend that you take another look. You might find what I found: a misunderstood classic.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 4:04 p.m. CST

    It's the same guy, Stool

    by I Dunno

    It has lots of masturbatory flourishes. In any case, it's a miracle it got made. It sure as hell would get made after 9/11. Too bad a studio executive got fired over it because it bombed but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make.</p>And I wouldn't say Seven (I refuse to spell it with a 7)is one of the best movies ever but it's one of the best crime dramas ever.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Didn't HATE Resurrection

    by I Dunno

    I guess my problem with it was that it was YET ANOTHER "We're trapped in an enclosed area running from Aliens movie". Then again, AvP:2 strayed from that formula and look how that turned out.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Zodiac and fight club were perfect!!

    by FleshMachine


  • Aug. 12, 2008, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Alien 3... With several years of reflection

    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    I love Fincher. Loved Zodiac. Physically hate Alien 3. it's one of those films I wish could be unmade, like terminator 3 as well (poor cameron) I find that a lot of kids today don't mind Alien 3 so much. I think if you just watch Alien 3. Or watch all of them once in order Alien 3 might not seem that bad. but it is, trust me. the reason it is reviled by most is because we all had great love and affection for Aliens. It's my favorite movie ever. And when you kill everything we loved about the second movie in the first 2 minutes of the 3rd movie, OFF FUCKING SCREEN, there is nothing Alien 3 could have done to not be hated. I really fucking hate Alien 3. the possibilities. It's weird too because you would think that Studio Execs would have done everything in their power to repeat the success of Aliens by just making it again, or by doing a bigger version of Aliens with a bigger Army and more giant robot suits fighting queen alien scenes. I mean, seriously, how does a group of studio execs sit in a room and agree that killing all the beloved characters from the second film is a good idea? Seriously?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 4:16 p.m. CST

    Fight Club was okay...

    by PirateEmery

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Leafy McPlantsalot...

    by tiredpm

    I'm intrigued by your reaction to Alien3 and how your feelings about that relate to Resurrection and the recent AvP films. Do you think the damage done by Alien3 killed the series to the point that those films are a direct correlation? I don't see that at all.<p>Alien3 was a troubled production (we should look at that film as the lead when we bemoan the state of Fox's genre properties these days) and while I agree with you that it's inconceivable that the studio meddled to the point that they nearly killed a franchise (Oh for the days where that was a shock...) I thought taking everything from Ripley (love, friendship, technology, hell, even female company) was genius and turned the series back towards the nightmares of early humans that were scared of monsters in the dark.<p>Plus, c'mon. Honestly. Did you really miss Newt? :-)

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Digging the Zodiac lovefest...

    by Lord Haw Haw

    Fincher definitely knocked it out of the park with this movie, and Zodiac is very comfortably nestled in my all-time Top Ten list. Great cast, script, and cinematography, not to mention the uber-cool use of Santana's "Soul Sacrifice" over the title sequence. Looking forward to more from Fincher.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Fight Club was unique and interesting...

    by MCVamp

    But in the end, it's as much "The Sixth Sense" as anything. Why? Once you realize who Tyler Durden is and watch it a second time to absorb the clues, all you have left is the story of a burnt-out peon who discovers his inner caveman with a club consisting of other burnt-out peons. And he fucks a druggie. Then some shit blows up. Anarchy! Woo hoo! Let's stick it to the man! Maybe we can beat up a copy machine while we're at it! Yeah, okay. I liked Fight Club, but it was just a desk jockey's barbarian fantasy turned into "reality." No wonder so many geeks eat it up.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 4:56 p.m. CST

    I blame Vincent Ward for Alien 3

    by newc0253

    Fincher i don't blame because he was young and didn't know what he was doing. And he turned out to be a brilliant director.<p> Ward, on the other hand, was up his own ass and wrote a sanctimoniously dreary story that fucked over everything that was good about Aliens. I say this as a kiwi who was forced to watch Ward's pretentious assfuck films as a student.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 4:58 p.m. CST


    by ponysystem

    "The Game is mildly entertaining"! "Fight Club is OK"! "Se7en is a bad movie"! WHAT THE FUCK PEOPLE!?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 5:01 p.m. CST

    The Curious Case Of...

    by Lost4Words

    Pitching a tent to see DISASTER MOVIE!!!!!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 5:01 p.m. CST

    AND Picthing A Tent FOR Disaster Movie!

    by Lost4Words

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 was the worst in the series!

    by ganymede3010

    Talk about predictable. There was no suspense in that movie, at all. It played out like a 80's horror film littered with redundant sudden scares! Fincher is soley responsible for derailing the franchise, he's a fucking hack when it comes to Sci-Fi. I like is other movies though. Game being my favorite.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 5:08 p.m. CST


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  • Aug. 12, 2008, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Say louder!

    by duct tape wallet

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 5:10 p.m. CST

    Want foot in face?

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  • Aug. 12, 2008, 5:13 p.m. CST

    It's hard for me to dig on the concept...

    by chaplinatemyshoe

    But Fincher's built up enough good will for me to give him the benefit of the doubt and throw down the $$ to see this movie.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Burton-esque & Zodiac/Oscars

    by GravitysRainbow

    The creepiness of the trailer is intriguing, but for a director as original and unique as Fincher, I too wonder what is the need for the Burton-esque scenes (and music in the trailer, but that may just be for the trailer). I absolutely loved Zodiac. As silly as it may sound, I really think it just came out too early in the year for people to remember come Oscar time.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Indeed... Fincher is a genius in waiting....

    by Quintus_Arrius

    The story of Master Button, I predict, will be the best of '08... Yes, yes surpassing the gloriously triumphant Dark Knight (damn, what a great movie...) <P> Nevertheless... <P> We are indeed privileged to be living in a time to watch the progression of a future bonafide genius. Panic room aside, which for me is his weakest film but was still entertaining at worst, I seriously believe we are witnessing the making of a maestro. <P> I believe therefore, The Curious Case of Benjamin Button could be the master piece Fincher has been waiting to birth. <P> Of course, one should never, EVER, pin their hopes on a trailer (indeed one recalls the early release of a trailer of a motion picture which featured the origin story of a young lad who grew up to have a wheezy breathing problem, wore black cloth and leathers and wielded a lazer sword while threatening to 'rule the galaxy' with his estranged son); however the trailer for this motion picture has been etched, firmly, into my mind and has indeed filled me with hope, awe, wonder and anticipation that this could actually be the 'home run' as you, my dear American cousins refer to it. <P> Master Fincher's moving pictorial tale will indeed triumph.... especially if Master Pitt is not beheld eating through-out. <P> Hail all things Fincherd! <P> And all hail Arrius! <P> Please State: The 'fool' (please use that word plurally where required) that suggested that both the movie named number 'Seven' or the enriching experience that was the 'Zodiac' where bad movies has simply taken leave of their senses. <P> Utter cods-wallop!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 5:29 p.m. CST


    by tyler_turden

    I know this is not objective, but FUCK! Watch seven again. If you still think there is anything average about it you must be coming down of ten ecstacy pills. Only way to explain the negativity. Is thier anyone here actually beleive that this will not be an amazing film? Have you seen THAT fucking trailer! Anyone who bashes on Fincher in this talkback is grandstanding. The man is AICN! I bet a lot of the younger people visiting this website got turned onto film because of him. Just like James Cameron before him.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Indeed MCVamp...

    by Quintus_Arrius

    ... I believe some motions pictures should only be viewed 'once'. <P> Six Sense + Fight Club (and others of the same elk) + One screening in the best possible theatre = lasting satisfaction and appreciation. <P> Indeed, I could tell you of a tale of a whench I once layed with whom I came across on one of the ports of my many voyages..... <P> I visted that port and indeed the same whench again.... <P> Alas... <P> My loins have never been the same again and NOT for the better my young friend. <P> Alas, indeed...

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Great Gatsby rocked!

    by loafroaster

    Redford was the bomb in that.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 5:31 p.m. CST

    You know, I never got all the Se7en love...

    by DreadPirateRoberts

    I mean, it is fine and everything. But I always got the impression that someone said "I have this cool shock ending. The audience is going to be totally freaked out." and someone else looked at it and said "cool, lets come up with a movie to go with that so we can have that ending".

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 5:39 p.m. CST


    by MCVamp

    As I read your words, I hear ringing in my head the voice of Hedonism-Bot. Which isn't a bad thing.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 5:42 p.m. CST

    And Alien 3 just ticked me off (spoilers)...

    by DreadPirateRoberts

    Spoilers for the one guy here who has not seen it.... <p> <p> <p> <p> <p> <p> I mean, it basically just pisses all over the ending of Alien 2. "You know all that stuff that happened at the end of Alien 2, the whole effort to save Newt and the efforts of Hicks. Well it did not make any difference because they all died in a crash soon after. Between movies. Because we didn't know what else to do.". It is almost like ending any movie you ever liked (Die Hard, Finding Nemo, whatever) with a fade to black and then some text saying "And then everyone died in a fire".

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 5:44 p.m. CST


    by fluffybunnywhiskers

    Se7en is not just the ending. Not at all. The entire film is stellar. The interaction between the two detectives and the murders they're investigating are all enthralling. It's an amazing film. That's why people love it. Not just for the ending.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 sucked like a pornstar

    by CloneWars

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 5:49 p.m. CST

    The Poor Mother

    by Batou

    Imaging giving birth to not only a fully grown person but an old man... PK Dick had a story with a similar theme - Counter Clock World.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 5:50 p.m. CST


    by DreadPirateRoberts

    I am not going to sit here and say you are wrong. I lot of people agree with you. Most of the film did not enthrall "me". I WAS very impressed with Freeman in the film. But for whatever reason I was not personally thrilled with Pitt in it, so that probably explains why I did not get blown away by it.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 5:56 p.m. CST


    by Quintus_Arrius

    Then take heed, my dear fellow... take heed!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 6:09 p.m. CST

    I proclaim an embargo...

    by zacdilone

    ...on embargo jokes.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 6:12 p.m. CST

    Fincher was 27 when he made Alien 3

    by lioner

    For a 27 year old, making his first feature, albeit a big budget feature, without proper prep time, script time... Alien 3 is pretty good. Especially the directors cut. I think it's a little much for people to still be riding Fincher for that though. He's clearly extremely good at filming things and is continuing to show growth as an artist.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 6:28 p.m. CST

    Ok, I'll put this out there...

    by Wuu

    Since people seem to be discussing which of the Alien films is the worst, I will quickly join the discussion. Aliens is the worst of the series. That is all.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Cobra Kai.

    by Gilkuliehe

    I'm pretty sure Hector's wife was DEEP BLUE SEA's hot scientist Saffron Borrows. And she wasn't in 300, was she? That electrocution of the shark in her underwear made her pretty much unforgetable to me. And I believe the underwear hottie vs monster was also done in Alien, which third sequel was directed by David Fincher, who also directed this film. See, it wasn't off topic. Thanks.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 7:07 p.m. CST

    I will never see this movie.

    by Geekgasm

    It looks completely gay, and not in the sexy fun way.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Err...what repetition in FC and Zodiac?

    by KillaKane

    Thank fuck Fincher does'nt feel the need to cow-tie to such ADT impaired critical bullshit. Nothing wrong with the pacing and content of either IMHO, in fact the DC of Zodiac was all the better for the extra runtime, totally absorbing.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 8:05 p.m. CST


    by VictorVonDoom

    DOOM demands someone address the strange case of DOOM'S belly button! Where does this lint COME from? DOOM wears ARMOR!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 will be seen as a classic

    by performingmonkey

    But only when everyone actually watches it again, and this time the original cut. It's a completely different movie to Aliens, which in turn was totally different to Alien. Of course, both of the first two movies are fucking masterpieces made by class directors at the top of their game, so it was always gonna be extremely hard to live up to that.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 8:10 p.m. CST

    Alien 3...

    by Banzai Rootskibango

    ...not so much...

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 8:34 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    or maybe I'll fandango it and give everyone on line the finger.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 9:09 p.m. CST


    by BringingSexyBack

    and then some!

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Fincher should Reboot Superman

    by Live.

    You're right samurai sark.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 9:45 p.m. CST


    by Han Cholo

    Can't stress that enough.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 10:14 p.m. CST

    So his last name isn't "Button"?

    by thebearovingian

    ? <p>Why?<p>Why?<p>Why?

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 10:24 p.m. CST


    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    Dread Pirate Roberts - I am laughing my ass off. You nailed it. that is exactly what alien 3 is like. I'm going to borrow the - and then everyone died in a fire line from now on. Perfect. TIREDPM - i it was the first move maybe. I too like the idea of everything she has being taken away from her, but not after Aliens. The sequel to Aliens should have been one of three things 1: Aliens make it too Earth. Millions upon millions of aliens, huige military involvement- only a handful of people know what these things are how to stop them. 2: Ripley and hix take it to the next level. The home planet for these aliens is disovered - you know their planet, the place where they came from. Ripley, Hix, whoever hijack a ship with full intent to blow the home planetup, something goes wrong, they're stuck on the planet. Or an alien gets onto their ship or both. This is alot like alien1 and 2 but still progresses the story. 3: no sequel is ever made. 2 had a proper ending for Ripley. "Are we going to sleep, all the way home?" "All the way home" "I should really check the rest of the ship for any more aliens." "that's crazy talk, how could there be more aliens on this ship. that wouldn't make any sense" "Good point newt. Sweet dreams". As for the sequels after 3 I was always hoping that they would somehow bring the Alien franchise back but they never have. Ressurrection is like this weird stand alone movie that alomst doesn't feel related the other movies. i know it is, but it's so different, so odd, so french that it doesn't really feel like it's hurting the Alien dogma because it almost feels like a completely different universe altogether. Alien versus Predetor is a travesty. It feels like someone watched Aliens once and tried to redo the best parts but missed the whole concept of likeable characters. and AVP 2 is quite possibly the worst movie ever made. Tiredpm -

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 10:33 p.m. CST

    DreadPirate in defense of Alien3

    by Bloo

    (or cubed as I like to call it)<P>I think the point of killing off Newt and Hicks at the beginning wasn't an intentional way of pissing off the fans, I think it's actually continuing the tradition STARTED by Cameron in Aliens<P>basically that no matter what Ripley does she is destined to fight the Xenomorphs<P>How did Alien end, with Ripley getting into the escape pod and ejecting herself, killing the creature, how does Aliens begin, it's what, 70, 100 years later (can't recall off the top of my head) everyone Ripley knew, even her own daughter, are dead. Not the typical way to start a movie, it's a very dark opening. I'm sure people wanted to see Ripley make it home safe and sound, but that didn't end up being the case<P>Alien 3 continues that theme, that no matter what she does, Ripley will not find happiness, that those she loves will suffer in her predestined fight with the Aliens, same with Alien Ressurrection, even death couldn't stop Ripley from fighting the Xenomorphs nor their journay and assult on Earth

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 10:39 p.m. CST

    con't on Alien3

    by Bloo

    I love Aliens don't get me wrong, but it is so fundamentally different from Alien that it surprises me that people wanted basically Aliens 2 if you get my meaning<P>we often talk about how in these talkbacks, sequals aren't really any different from their predessor, same storyline just amped up. This is why I love Alien3 because it continues the THEMES established in the previous movies while not being the same movie repeated

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 10:42 p.m. CST

    Alien 3

    by MediaNerd

    The fault there lies with the producers and the scripts, not Fincher. There was what, 15 or so totally different stories drafted, from about 10 different writers that kept getting fired and re-hired. I have six or seven of them printed out: marine ship over-run, monks on a wooden planet, earth orbital prison, and even hillbillys vs aliens. In the end we got a clusterfuck mix of all of them. The production was a mess and as a kid, there is a reason Fincher wanted his name of the movie.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 10:46 p.m. CST

    fixing typos

    by MediaNerd

    "The production was a mess and as a new, young kid it was out of Fincher's hands. There is a reason Fincher wanted his name off the movie.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 10:47 p.m. CST

    Alien 3 wasn't Fincher's fault...

    by BurnHollywood

    It actually died in 20th Century Fox I recall, this is explained in the box set's "Making of" documentary. They were so obsessed with generating another blockbuster after "Aliens" that they tinkered with the film's story and editing endlessly, even running William Gibson(!) off at one point. <p> In fact, Fincher was so disgusted with the experience he was the only director not to include a "Director's Cut" on that set, refusing any further involvement.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 10:49 p.m. CST

    Beat me to it, MediaNerd...

    by BurnHollywood


  • Aug. 12, 2008, 11:14 p.m. CST

    You never had a chance B.H.

    by MediaNerd

    Even with my typo revisions :) <br><br> On topic - B.Button looked great from the trailer and I'm really excited by the maturing of Fincher in his work.

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 11:49 p.m. CST

    Wasn't 'Benjamin Barker' Sweeny Todd's...

    by blindambition238

    real name. Reviewer's typo or happy coincidence

  • Aug. 12, 2008, 11:50 p.m. CST

    Wasn't 'Benjamin Barker' Sweeny Todd's...

    by blindambition238

    real name. Reviewer's typo or happy coincidence?

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 12:45 a.m. CST

    Keep it long!!!!

    by TheWaqman

    I fucking loved Zodiac. And also there have been many examples of Studios fucking up movies by cutting the length (another Pitt movie "Assassination of Jesse James...", also Ridley Scott's Kingdom of Heaven). And if they do cut least release a director's cut.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 1:16 a.m. CST

    Looking forward to this

    by TerryMalloy

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 1:20 a.m. CST

    Excellent review of Zodiac here:

    by BurnHollywood d/2181343/<p> Briefly put: the film is a thoughtful meditation on the true meaning of "due process".<p> Oh, and I fucking love that CGI time-lapse of the TransAmerica Pyramid being built...

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 2:55 a.m. CST

    There's no defense of Alien 3

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    It's Jason in a rubber suit. The Alien lacks motivation. It's not hungry (only nibbles on the fat little monks), not threatened (they have no weapons), and worst of all, IT'S DOOMING ITS SPECIES BY KILLING ALL THE POTENTIAL HOSTS. All it does is kill people in random ways and Fincher makes use of Dave Letterman Aliencam as a gimmick. The pain. The pain. It's a planet full of lice so they'll shave their heads! So clever. What about the dog? An electrical fire destroys a military ship? No halon in the future? Escape pod immediately crashes on the nearest planet killing nearly everybody despite the one in the first movie floating around from 70 years? Alien leaves Ripley to run around with a queen in her belly and potentially fall in a molten lead vat rather than coccon her up? Then movie is one insult to fans of the franchise's intelligence after another. Hey, we've got this cool take on space movies where we have realistic long periods of time for space travel. Guess what? The Company can show up faster than Jack Bauer drives through rush hour traffic when they find out Ripley has a bun in the oven! A planet of convicts that wants to stay there because they found religion... and the Company funds expensive space travel to bring them supplies just because they care. ARGH! And that's just the ones off the top of my head. I don't even care about the Newt/Bishop/Hicks whack job, the problem is there are more plotholes than your typical Sci-fi Channel Gator-Ape-Man-Bear-Pig flick. Alien 3 is the most disappointing movies I've ever seen in my life. And it wasn't the Studio's fault. Fincher could have said, "this is freaking stupid, I want a rewrite or I'll have one of Madonna's goons break your kneecaps" at any point.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 3:54 a.m. CST

    Alien 3 is Fincher goodness.

    by halberd

    because Fincher's eye was still there at every shot. The cinematography is great, love the lighting he uses in all his movies. It's a different take on the franchise and succeeds imo. Resurrection is also not that bad... just another, flashier angle of it all. In the end I'd say the fourth is my least favorite.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 4:06 a.m. CST

    i always find it useless

    by cloudrider`

    whenever someone would judge a film based on how the AUDIENCE around him react to it. or the most commonly used here, "i talk to all my friends and they all love/hate it" or "my 10 years old nephew/kid love it." <p> yeah well, most audience have lousy taste. 10 years olds do too. your 10 friends might have the combined IQ of 100 for all i know, so who gives a shit! <p> that's why i trust professional reviewers over any geeks. they are so... unproffesional.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 8:29 a.m. CST

    I already saw this movie three times

    by ArcadianDS

    It played once before Hellboy II, and I saw it twice at<p> basically, watch the trailer - its the whole movie.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 10:53 a.m. CST

    Alien 3 = lost control of production to studio bosses

    by JackRabbitSlim

    There was a very interesting article in Premiere at the time of the filming of Alien 3 that detailed a young, relatively powerless Fincher slowly losing control of that film to meddlers at the studio who had their own agendas. That the film is as visionary as it is is a testament to Fincher's persistence and remarkable that it came out as anything other than Supernova/Event Horizon/Whatever. His disdain for the studio system for the next several years (pre Se7en) has been well detailed elsewhere. As for Zodiac - I can see how the petering-out ending would annoy some filmgoers who couldn't understand that's EXACTLY what the film was about - obsessive men trying to solve a puzzle that had no definitive ending - how that sort of thing drives certain people slowly insane with their compulsions - a theme James Ellroy certainly dwells on again and again in his writing. Brill film imo.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 11:02 a.m. CST

    I could peak for hours about how perfect Zodiac is...

    by DanielKurland

    So much gold in that. Absolutely ridiculous it received no attention at the Oscars.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Something else perfect about Zodiac is...

    by DanielKurland

    using the '70s Paramount logo at the beginning. That is such a simple, but incredible detail, and with the soundtrack, it is literally as if this film was made in the '70s. It reminds me of in The Aviator when you see the colors changing throughout it, as throughout time, film processing was evolving.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Fincher couldn't have made Zodiac 10 years ago...

    by DanielKurland

    Which is another reason why I love it. All of his films are good, but you see him using incredibly little of his visual flares in Zodiac, and had this happened 10 years ago, I'm sure he would have used a lot more. So it's nice to see him actually maturing and learning as a director, and not just doing the same thing. Panic Room has a pretty awful script, but visually it is wonderful and enjoyable to look at. You can attack the film, but I look at it as Fincher making a watchable, enjoyable film out of a script that he thought was bad.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 11:38 a.m. CST


    by Leafy McPlantsalot

    ""Are mentally challenged adults with the minds of uneducated 14 years olds who are upset that ALIEN 3 is not ALIENS 2: THE REMAKE. Well, though shit, dudes! """" What is though shit, genius? OOHHH BBBUUURRRRNNNN

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 12:43 p.m. CST

    OK Gilkuliehe & MarsFalls...

    by Pdorwick

    You tell me - since you seem to be this TB's arbitrators of good taste - what exactly was good about Zodiac? Was it the endlessly meandering story? The pretentious "oh, it's a study in obsession" excuse for the director's tedious self-indulgence? Was it the director's George Lucas-like obsession with SPFX ("Look how awesomely I've recreated 1970's San Fransico!")? Was it the horrifying depiction of the 1st murder - a scene brazenly stolen from William Friedkin's "Cruising"? You tell me. (Just because I didn't drink the Kool-Aid doesn't mean I have bad taste, it means I make up my own mind.)

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 1:19 p.m. CST

    MOM... settle down man

    by mefrog

    People who criticize the final third of Zodiac are not automatically hacks who only obsess over Transformers. I don't understand the use of the word "repitition" in this review when talking about Zodiac but I will say that the film just seems to drag a bit then. But that's the way it went down in reality - everyone settled down and started to move on while Robert pursued and pursued the killer. To me, the film lost some steam at that point.<br> <br> Does that make me a hack and and a complete tool? I hope not. Because I felt Zodiac was one of the best films of the year, in my top three with Jesse James and There Will Be Blood. I own the director's cut on DVD, went out and bought it th first day. It is an outstanding, outstanding story of how an obsession can really devour a man's life, and it was also a thrilling detective story and engaging murder mystery. But when the film starts nearing two hours, yes I think it loses steam.<br> <br> And as for Alien 3, that film (the original cut, I only saw the DC years ago and don't remember it all too well) has "studio clash" written all over it. The film looks like it has no idea if it wants to be a claustrophobic thriller like the first one or a more personal story about demons from within. Do I blame Fincher? Not really, given all the crap and history surrounding the movie. I remember a year ago Fincher's intreview on here spoke about how he had concept drawings for shit that looked terrific that the studio would never put into production. It's a sad, sad story of a studio's fear of the new guy.<br> <br> And finally, I completely disagree on all counts that Fight Club becomes repetitive at the end. Personally, I think Fight Club is Fincher's most original, creative, and engaging film that captivates me from frame one to the end and NAILS the atmosphere of the novel (Choke doesn't come close BTW... it's kind of a shitty film).<br> <br> Oh yeah, and Benjamin Button looks fucking awesome. That's all.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 1:24 p.m. CST

    You know what, I'm gonna watch Zodiac again

    by mefrog

    Haven't seen it in awhile. That is, after I see Dark Knight again this weekend in my quest to to The Clone Wars BO.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 2:07 p.m. CST

    this movie

    by SpawnofAchilles

    deserves a better review then that

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 2:20 p.m. CST

    and Brad Pitt isnt due

    by SpawnofAchilles

    a good film, he's been in a string of them that looks to continue with burn after reading, ben button and Tree of Life (Malick!) along with jesse james and Babel

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 2:32 p.m. CST

    The problem with the final 3rd of ZODIAC

    by BobParr

    was Jake Gyllenhal. He couldn't carry the film after the performances of Downey and Ruffalo. I don't know how his character was supposed to be played, but he was as interesting as cardboard. His obsession didn't really ring true. He was writing a book.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Just because Alien 3 is British, doesn't make it smart

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    It's still a dumb script that almost completely ignores the previous two films other than there's a big alien and a tough chick in it. Just because we like Fincher and a gritty look doesn't change that. And not everybody wanted Aliens 2. Aliens was a reaction to the fact that you couldn't make a Alien 2. The shock value was gone from the originality of the first and the billion knockoffs that came out later. The first film was a Haunted House, the second a Roller Coaster. One of the fundamental problems of the third movie was they tried to "return to the roots" of the first movie instead of making their own movie. So you got a dull, stupid movie that was nice to look at with a bunch of cheap slasher movie thrills. A missed opportunity to use the universe created by Scott and Cameron to do something not only original, but would expand the universe. The fourth movie tried to take that route (let's make fun Han Solo vs. the Aliens action movie in the future that tells more of the Company's role) and really could have benefited from a director like Fincher rather than the wacky French dude, but sadly both movies were failures by decisions made at all levels.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 3:39 p.m. CST


    by Samuel Fulmer

    Best directors going. Neither one of them has made a bad film yet.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 3:56 p.m. CST

    PTA yes, Fincher absolutely no...

    by Pdorwick

    Alien3 and Panic room disprove the Fincher part of your statement. I would agree that PTA is one of the best however...

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 3:57 p.m. CST


    by frozen01

    First of all, as much as I respect the origin of the movie and the general feel, it doesn't spark even one iota of interest to me. Maybe I'm one of those elderly-hating people mentioned earlier :) but the story just doesn't seem to hold much water; something that is more engaging and believable in book form than on the big screen. Secondly, and I'm sorry to the fans, but Zodiac was pretty boring, although I don't think I'd call it repetitive. It's one of those movies that you enjoy having watched, but didn't really enjoy watching. Fight Club, on the other hand, was great. Maybe I'm saying more about my own personality than I would normally desire to, but I loved it :)

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 3:59 p.m. CST

    "The audience was getting bored and resteless, I could hear them

    by Obi-Drufff

    Everytime I hear this... Look, when you're in a theater with a bunch of people, there is bound to be at least a few of them doing something at any given moment. Looking for a kleenex in their purse, adjusting their family jewels, whatever. When YOU become bored, you disconnect from the movie and you become aware of this stuff going on around you. But it doesn't mean everyone else in the theater became bored at the same exact point you did. Can't believe this isn't completely obvious and people insist on saying that crap.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 4:09 p.m. CST

    You see, Obi-Drufff

    by comedian_x

    people like the reviewer are narcissists who believe that whatever they are feelings is the only possible reaction to the film. Now with the reviewer's psychological state in mind we should dismiss his opinion summarily.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Good point about the boredom

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    I snuck into an afternoon showing of Attack of the Clones after drinking all night. So you can imagine the amount of yawning I was doing while Vader was rolling on the hills with Portman or pretty much any scene that had dialog. This fat dude in front of me kept turning around all insulted by it. Sorry, the movie blew chunks dude. At the end he stood up and gave one of those frantic fanboy clapfests (note: by himself). If there was a reviewer in our row, which of us would he use as an example of crowd reaction? Anyway, Aliens and Star Wars have always presented an interesting problem for me. I have so much time invested in both franchises at that point (four in Aliens and five in Star Wars). At what point do you pull the plug? Or do you tough it out and hope the "final" movie will be good and have some kind of redemption?

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 5:36 p.m. CST

    On the "Build to Climax" Formula

    by starlesswinter

    Um...the "build to climax" formula is in no way a cliché. It's a basic structure for 99% of stories out there. Zodiac lends itself otherwise simply because of the nature of the story.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 5:41 p.m. CST


    by Domi'sInnerChild

    You probably should read my post near the middle "There's no defense of Alien 3". I didn't expect Aliens 2. I also hated it because it was stupid, not because it wasn't Transformers (Transformers and Aliens should never appear in the same sentance). So I guess I'm not "everybody". Face it, the point of Alien 3 was feline survival since Jones was the only survivor of the series. I mean, you're defending a movie where the alien jumps out of a vat of molten lead (never mind the weight not crushing it) because of the biggest cliche in all of horror films... he always gets up.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Another great Zodiac moment...

    by DanielKurland

    Gylenhall yelling at Clea Duvall's character to admit that the killer is who he thinks it is. He doesn't even care if it's true at that point, he just wants to fucking move on. Add that to the beautiful tracking shot that starts the movie, the unnaturally yellow taxi cab bathed in darkness, the music cue when Graysmith sees Paul Allen at the end, Hurdy fucking Gurdy Man, the overhead camera turning as the taxi turns around the street corner, the fact that the entire scene with Graysmith scared like hell in the guy's house at the end goes absolutely nowhere and is unnecesary, just to emphasize how sometimes things go nowhere and the type of stuff bogging down the case, and a myriad of other scenes.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 8:37 p.m. CST

    I know I'm just rambling at this point...

    by DanielKurland

    but I would have loved to have seen Zodiac win Best Picture. Benjamin Button is getting tons of Oscar buzz, and although I've only seen the trailer, I don't see how it could be that much better than Zodiac. It's so nice when directors who make movies so seldomly start filming movies frequently just because it seems that they've become reinvigorated with the medium.

  • Aug. 13, 2008, 8:40 p.m. CST

    I also think Chan Wook Park must love Fincher...

    by DanielKurland

    If you watch the "Cut" segment in "Three Extremes," especially the beginning, there is all sorts of stuff Fincher would have done.

  • Aug. 14, 2008, 1:05 a.m. CST

    So is this Golden Years, but with no action?

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    You know, the short lived TV series where the old janitor grows younger while mysterious things happen around him and the goverment or whatever tries to kill him.